1 Quit smiling, Gaia's dying

2 test

3 And these tears contain an intoxicant.

4

"Momentum for a climate bill has been undermined by the fact that Manmade Global Warming is a hoax, completely unsupported by scientific evidence, which is designed only to fears that capping carbon-dioxide emissions -- the inevitable product of burning oil and coal -- would slow economic growth, raise energy costs and compel changes in the way Americans live - and Americans are finally starting to figure this out."

Fixed.

5 I'm real!  I'm cereal!

6 "It's really big, really, really hard stupid, and is going to make a lot of people mad, like me" said Sen. Claire McCaskill (D., Mo.).

FIFY

7 I hope the same slow death is occurring with the HealthCrap bill.

8 "It's really big, really, really hard, and is going to make a lot of people mad,"

That's what she said!

9 But can you really blame the Goreacle for thinking “millions” every time he begins to talk about new technology upon which he stands to make mountainous lucre?

10 Are there any Democrats in the government that aren't people hating Communists? I'm just wondering. I'd say Leiberman, but he's an Independent now.....

11 Gasoline, electricity & home heating oil are way too cheap. My checkbook is has way too much money. Can someone help me with these problems?

12

"It's really big, really, really hard

That is exactly what Mrs. Mallamutt says every night.

13 Ah yes, the EPA taking control.  Unelected people who do not answer to anyone. Revolution anyone?

14 If we reduce CO2 from the current levels down to say half what effect will that have on plant life and oxygen production?

15

Just wondering, if taking Cap and Trade off the table is the sop to the so-called Democratic centerist to vote for health care. See, here is the deal, we will only ask you to commit political suicide once.

16 Now the EPA will accomplish what the legislature can't.None of it will matter if the currency collapses in late 2010.Even the elections wont matter.

17 "It's really big, really, really hard, and is going to make a lot of people mad," said Sen. Claire McCaskill (D., Mo.).

Gee, now why would having your electric bill DOUBLE OVERNIGHT piss anybody off?  Must be those bitter, clingy, Bible humping tea-baggers eh Senator?

May ObamaCare suffer the same fate...

18 Okay. Other than the entire golf course will be a sand trap and we'll have to carry around those oxygen bottles.

19

so my electricity bill will not 'necessarily skyrocket' as the Boy President so eloquently put it during the campaign?

 

(and by 'Boy' I mean immature and unprepared for the job he's in)

20 And in related news, most of the talking heads conclude that Coppenhagen will produce, nothing. Except more CO2 emissions from talking heads spoting off about nonsense.

21 "People think about geothermal energy — when they think about it at all — in terms of the hot water bubbling up in some places, but two kilometers or so down in most places there are these incredibly hot rocks, 'cause the interior of the earth is extremely hot, several million degrees, and the crust of the earth is hot …"

Really, Al?

Several million degrees?  So, just how hot do you figure the surface of the sun is?  Roughly.

22 Except more CO2 emissions from talking heads spoting off about nonsense.

And their private jets. Don't forget about them.

23 It's taken them 40+ years but they've finally done it: they've made the average American stupid enough to believe that CO2 is a pollutant.

The dumb ones just go along with it. The "smart" ones have to be flattered enough to buy into it.

24 >>>>...Momentum for a climate bill has been undermined by fears that capping carbon-dioxide emissions -- the inevitable product of burning oil and coal -- ALL LIVING METABOLISM would slow economic growth, raise energy costs and compel changes in the way Americans live.

There used to be a cynical joke about politicians taxing the air we breathe.

Guess what?

25 Anyone else seen that Honda commercial that has the hippy guy walking down the earth with the "Save the Earth" t shirt on? Makes me wanna revert back to my high school years where I some people I know would vandalize cars.

26 24 I despise that commercial.

27 19
And in related news, most of the talking heads conclude that Coppenhagen will produce, nothing. Except more CO2 emissions from talking heads spoting off about nonsense.
THAT'S what they should tax- emissions from talking heads, not emissions from productive enterprises - like cow farts...

28 Need time to gin up some new fake science, because what the hoaxers had has been thoroughly debunked.

29 Gore's business model is settled--and we need to make it FAIL!

Keep up the educating of the poor shlubs.  We can beat this Obama plague!

30 Cap And Tax? Maybe Next Year

And by next year, Harry Reid means...never.

 

God I hope it is never.  I agree that he stands no chance next year during an election.  But what I am afraid of is the year after that if the conservatives do not make a strong comeback in congress.

The chronic bowing and apologizing SOB will sign a treaty in Copenhagen that requires us to implement this POS. Recall that Bill Clinton sent Al Bore to sign a similar Kyoto treaty which the Senate shot down 95 - 0(?).  That shoot down will not happen again. The commies have become emboldened and they no longer care that China and India will not be impacted by the treaty. They don’t care that most of Europe will not abide by the treaty.

 

They only care that it will drive the U.S. into permanent communism. That is the object of this scan anyway. It has nothing to do with protecting the "earth".

 

This is WHY the conservatives must make a hard push in 2010. This is why RINOs like McLame and his butt boy Graham must go. They support this farce as well.

 

31 If we reduce CO2 from the current levels down to say half what effect will that have on plant life and oxygen production?

Plant life would be pissed.  Plants love high CO2.  High CO2 ameliorates other plant factors like stress, drought, reduced light, herbivore damage, and low nutrients.

Plants are very, very, happy now.

People who hate CO2 also hate plants, and by extension Gaea.  Fuc#ing Haters.

32
This is bad news. It tells us the Democrats realize they're overreaching and now are trying to maintain their big majorities after 2010.

If the Democrats do not pass either health care reform, or Cap & Trade, or Amnesty, or all three, then voters will have NO REASON to vote for Republicans in order to get the Democrats out of power.

Most of you are too dense to understand this, but I'll try to explain it to you in small words.

The Republican party is in a sorry state. People, by and large, think the Republicans are just as bad or worse than the Democrats. So the only way Republicans can win big, or at all, in 2010 is by showing that the Democrats are even worse than the Republicans and cannot be trusted with the keys to Congress.

If the radical wing of the Democrats appear to be kept in check by the more moderate Democrats, then people will stay with the Democrats. The Republicans need the Democrats to pass awful legislation to motivate people to vote the Democrats out of power. If nothing gets passed, the Republicans will not look like a better alternative to the voters.

We need this crap to pass if want to regain control of Congress. If we don't regain control of Congress and put the brakes on Obama's radical agenda, it will spell the end of the Republican party forever. 2010 is our last stand. By 2012, we won't have a chance.

33

tachyonshuggy at November 18, 2009 10:02 AM (YRjsF)

The really really smart ones are making billions off of it.

34 Tears of unfathomable sadness!  Mmm!  Yummy!

35 So the Earth's core is estimated to be between 6000 and 9000 Celsius.  

The science is settled!

36

Well, it's nice to have some good news.  Anything the Dems and Libs and Drug-Addled Lunatics don't get gives me immense pleasure.

 

37

And their private jets. Don't forget about them.

Oh crap, thanks Drew, I did.

And the private jets.

38 There's some good polling data out today to go along with this good news on Cap'n Tax. Everyone's probably already seen Quinnipiac has O under 50, and Rasmussen has his Strong Approval at the lowest ever. Also at Rasmussen, only 40% of indies approve.

39

This

"Most of you are too dense to understand this, but I'll try to explain it to you in small words."
 

Combined with this

"We need this crap to pass if want to regain control of Congress. If we don't regain control of Congress and put the brakes on Obama's radical agenda, it will spell the end of the Republican party forever. "

is probably not a convincing argument. "Your opponent must win or you will lose forever, you dummy" is not really that persuasive.

40 If nothing gets passed, the Republicans will not look like a better alternative to the voters. We need this crap to pass if want to regain control of Congress. WTF would we want this passed? I'm fat and need to go on a diet. I don't need a heart attack for a wake-up call. Paying higher taxes (after the Bush tax cuts expire) and a sour economy should be enough.

41 The Earth has got a fever! And the only thing to stop it is MORE COWBELL!

42 All of you should watch this video!! "Gaia - the future of politics" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sV8MwBXmewU&feature=related

43
they've finally done it: they've made the average American stupid enough to believe that CO2 is a pollutant.

It's amazing how many people die everyday from breathing that poison that is being expelled by their every breath.

Damn people are stupid.

44

This is bad news. It tells us the Democrats realize they're overreaching and now are trying to maintain their big majorities after 2010.

If the Democrats do not pass either health care reform, or Cap & Trade, or Amnesty, or all three, then voters will have NO REASON to vote for Republicans in order to get the Democrats out of power.

Most of you are too dense to understand this, but I'll try to explain it to you in small words.

Eh, personally I don't think we need to throw ourselves on our swords to prove how bad they are.  Yeah, people are stupid and will be compelled to vote for them again, but I don't think that's a good reason to "want" these crap bills that will basically turn us into a third-world country.

45 I'm SO hot.

46 EXCELSIOR!!1!1!!11!!!

47

This is bad news. It tells us the Democrats realize they're overreaching and now are trying to maintain their big majorities after 2010.

No, actually, I think its good news. Because now you set up the fight between the left wing loonies who have very safe seats (Nancy, et. al.) and all the so-called Blue Dogs Rahm went out and recruited in 2006 and 2008. The left wing will make the Blue Dogs life misreable, and the left wing is the financing arm of the DNC. What is going to happen to these Blue Dogs when they are underfunded and not getting the perks they need to get re-elected from Queen Nancy because the loonies are in a bad mood. Moveon is already running ads in the districts where Democrats voted no on Obamacare. They got their magic numbers and are going to be very pissed about not getting all of their agenda through. That means no college kids showing up to pound on doors and no George Soros money. That is not good.

48 "Your opponent must win or you will lose forever, you dummy" is not really that persuasive."

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 18, 2009 10:11 AM (SqAkN)

Yeah, but it's enough to collect the $0.25 or whatever Axelrod is paying for a post these days.

49 Revolution anyone?

nah, anarchy is better.

50
Who is this new concern troll we got?

51 If he's the Pacific President, can we get him to control El Nino (i.e., "The Boy") this year? Don't care for a lot of flooding this winter.

52

Most of you are too dense to understand this, but I'll try to explain it to you in small words.

Good way to influence people and gain friends.

_Idiot

53
Paying higher taxes (after the Bush tax cuts expire) and a sour economy should be enough.

Yeah, it should be. But it won't be. The Republicans simply won't engage the people strongly enough and make their case. The people are being stroked and placated by a very adroit public relations machine, whereas the Republicans are passive and meek. If the Republicans step up their game, which they won't, then people might be aware of how the Democrats are trying to screw them. Right now the Republicans are no match for the Democrats spin/psy-ops machine.

54

Ehhh.  Point of order?

I'm pretty certain that someone said that if we did not act right now people would die.

Is that now a good thing?  People dying, I mean?  Or is global warming over now it's winter?

 

55

It's really big, really, really hard, and is going to make a lot of people mad," said Sen. Claire McCaskill (D., Mo.).

Already true of the magnificent Cheney member.

56

I always knew the earth's core would betray us...and the laws of physics.

 

57 Fkoff, Pacifico- I was the first Carbon Vice President!

58 Most of you are too dense to understand this, but I'll try to explain it to you in small words.

That was rude.

59

49
"Who is this new concern troll we got?"

I don't know but usually they do not preface their "concern" by calling people idiots first. Fail

60
And...

you're all pussies.

But I still love you all and want to teach you.

61

in a sign of weakening political will to tackle a long-term environmental issue at a time of high unemployment and economic uncertainty the truth getting out that this is a sham aided and abetted by government-grant-dependent "scientists" whose incentive is to scare people, and shameless profiteers like Al Gore.

FTFH

62 Posted by: goforitbillbelichik at November 18, 2009 10:20 AM (z37MR) I suspect you are suffering from a serious case of Massachusetts pessimism. Take two hours of tax free shopping in southern NH and wash down with a beverage of your choice.

63 My general response to these "climate apocalypse" crap is this:

1. Has it ever been warmer/cooler in human history (by a +/1 10C variant)? If so, why do we assume that our current temperature band is "normal"? What evidence do we have that our climate at this moment is not an anomaly?

2. If we are sure that "warming" is bad, then what is the "optimal temperature"? If we don't know, how will we know when we achieve it?

3. If too much CO2 in the atmosphere is bad (greenhouse effect) and too little CO2 is bad (plant starvation), then do we assume that humans must intervene technologically to keep this CO2 level at equilibrium? Do we have this technology, currently? If not, what is the plan to keep the global CO2 balance at equilibrium? If you don't have a global plan, but only national plans, won't that do more harm than good, equilibrium-wise?

4. Is there any power-generation technology currently-existing or within a practical 10-year horizon that can supplant even 10% of the existing fossil-fuel infrastructure?* If not, is the plan to simply reduce power consumption by whatever amount we need to to reduce fossil-fuel usage? How do we do this without crippling the world economy (already weakened by the Great Recession)?

Generally, the Gaia-worshippers just get constipated looks on their faces, mutter "wingnut", and slink off when I bring these issues up.

*And this ignores the cost-benefit question entirely.

64 the tears of the gaia worshippers is sweet sweet honey on my tongue.

I think I'll incinerate a maple tree and post the video to youtube.

Suggestions for background music anyone? I'm thinking  http://tinyurl.com/5cbpsm

65 THE KSM/BOW-GATE EFFECT:

Obama's Approval Ratings have been plummeting on both Gallup and Rasmussen the last few days with Rasmussen hitting -14 today.  Most notably, now less than 50% of Democrats Strong Approve of Obama's performance!  I have to believe that this is the cumulative effect of having the KSM Trials in NYC and "Bow-Gate".

I think what even people on the left are starting to realize is that Obama is basically full of shit.  People find slick-talking empty suits quit annoying, especially when they realize they fell for it.

Remember "The Music Man"?  Guy came to town promising that people could learn to play instruments just by 'imagining' they could play, while never actually playing anything.  'Hope' in other words.  Once they finally woke up and learned they had been duped by a con-man, they were ready to tar and feather him.

I think this is what is happening now.

Sadly for Obama, NOTHING good is even close to being on the horizon for him to pull these numbers back up.

The only thing I wonder is, as 11/2010 nears and the Dems begin to see just how figuratively bloody the electoral smackdown is gonna be, how far will they go to stop it?  Knowing they are going to get beaten badly no matter what, will they set all the figurative oil rigs on fire and go scorched earth?

Having come so close to absolute power, I don;t expect the left to go quietly into the night here.

66 http://tinyurl.com/5cbpsm


stupid editor!

67

#23 looking closely:

I can surf the web for a week looking for a comment that concise. Gold star for you.

68

Is there any power-generation technology currently-existing or within a practical 10-year horizon that can supplant even 10% of the existing fossil-fuel infrastructure?*

Yes, nucular--and it operates at temperatures far lower than that found at the earth's core.

Added bonus--it would be actual stimulus.

69 OFF SOCKS

70

Most of you are too dense to understand this, but I'll try to explain it to you in small words.

Wow. You must be new here.

71 Monty, concerning your second question, we are pretty damned sure that the Earth's temperature is WAY below the optimum.

72

Great, another concern troll.

We must lose every battle to win the war.  So what if, in the end, we are hoisting our banner over a wasteland, it's still a victory, right?

73 Anyone remember a british documentary called the Swindle of Global Warming?  When I first saw it, I thought it was a slam dunk debunking of global warming. 

Then I found out that they'd omitted data from 1980 onwards.

Then I found out that this same data forms the infamous "hockey stick" that has itself been refuted. 

So we've got advocates and partisans on at least two sides of this lying, cooking the data, or omitting data that doesn't fit the conclusion they are trying to promote.

THIS is the fundamental problem with the "debate."  When you have enough accurate information, the truth becomes self evident.  When arguments continue despite the presence of conclusive data, and that data itself is obscured or omitted, it is because of hidden agendas.

I honestly and truly believe that the leftists who promote global warming / climate change / latest euphemism are doing so not for ecological reasons but for political and economic reasons.  Its all about making the 3rd world safe for communism because pre-industrial agrarian societies are the ONLY places where communism has emerged from within.  Communism can be externally imposed as in the case of eastern Europe under Stalin, but communist revolutions have never evolved on their own in any industrialized nation. 

The leftists are well aware of this.  However they cannot argue to the freedom loving peoples of the earth that economic development in the 3rd world will prevent a resurgence of communism.  So instead they dress up as environmentalists and discourage economic development under the notion that it is bad ecologically.

The thing to remember however is that most of those on the left aren't really aware of this.  They really do FEEL (as opposed to think) that carbon is bad, etc, etc, and that they are saving the earth from humanity.  They're useful idiots in other words.  There is a cadre, a vanguard, who cook these schemes up and drive the rhetoric who are fully aware of the true intent, but they don't advertise what they're really up to.  It isn't that they're really trying to hide their true intentions either.  They simply promote their false intentions so loudly that anything which reveals their true goals are drowned out.  This isn't a huge conspiracy, but a huge scam perpetrated by a relatively small conspiracy.

However, when groups and individuals that set out to oppose these scam artists do things like omit data from 1980 onwards, it only helps the scam artists in the long run.  You have to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.  You have to tell truths that undermine your argument.  If you cannot do this, then your argument itself is flawed.  Failure to tell the whole truth will be seized upon and used against you.

Sooner or later the truth of the global warming scam will be understood by most, if not all.  But by that time these leftist subversives will have moved on to some other scam.  It is far better to fight them here and now than wait for them to cook up some other scam. 

74 I think what even people on the left are starting to realize is that Obama is basically full of shit a huge liability to their general subversive plans..

Suggested edit.

75 I really hope the Republican party and you people do not fall for this trap. If the Democrats and Obama fail to get all of their agenda in place people will not know the tremendous damage it will cause. We must hope they get Cap and Trade, Socialized Healthcare, and another stimulus passed so people have a reason to vote them out of office. Also we must be willing to ditch Palin and social conservatives because they are a cancer on the party and cost us indepedant voters. True Republicans like Graham are the way of the future!!!!!

76 Is the core of the Earth hot enough to melt steel?

77 I wonder if that exploding ball in the sky might influence the temperature here a bit?

78 Drew,
I used to work for the federal government, and we can't relax if it looks like this won't pass through Congress.  Last spring, the EPA submitted an enormous fucking document to the Code of Federal Regulations that was essentially  Cap and Tax by fiat. They had to bring it in on a hand truck.  It dwarfed the health care bill.  If Gaia's Children can't get it in via the legislature, they will sneak it into the CFR under the authority of the Executive branch.

 And we will be screwed.

79 Monty,

How dare you put a price tag on the health of Gaia! You are a fascist and a racist.

80 P.S.,

Regarding climate change.

CO2 is a "trace" gas in the atmosphere.  In other words, compared to Oxygen and Water Vapor, it is basically non-existent.  To say that minute increases in CO2 could actually warm the planet significantly would be like saying you could boil a bathtub full of water with the heat of a single match.

The historical record clearly shows that increased CO2 is the RESULT of global warming, not the cause.  If you look at fossilized cores, you can see that this has always been the case.

Making cars more energy efficient, seeking our alternative energy sources and reducing pollution are all positive outcomes from what is basically bullshit science.  But the ultimate goal of Al Gorian Man-made Global Warming Non-Science is socialistic redistribution of wealth.

81 Well crap, I was just about to patent my CO2 collector device for soda and beer.  I figure I could have sold 300 million or so.  Then there was the flatulence methane collector...........

82 Yes, nucular--and it operates at temperatures far lower than that found at the earth's core.

1. Nuclear power-plants, as a practical matter, cannot be built within the 10-year time horizon I laid out (at least in America). Even if we were to start today, the first plants would not come on-line until 2020 at the earliest.

2. Uranium is not an uncommon element in the earth's crust, but it is somewhat difficult to mine and refine.

3. A vast increase on nuclear generating capacity includes a vastly larger amount of radioactive waste. Where do we dispose of it?

4. Fusion reactors will probably never be practical at the large scales needed (absent some major theoretical breakthrough that seems very unlikely right now).

If we are serious about getting huge amounts of cheap power, we need to look at space-based solar arrays -- but that technology is probably 50-100 years from being realized.

83  (posted this a few months ago but it's timely to repeat it here...)

I think AGW is was all a crock'o'shite anyhow. The numbers below are from memory, I don't have time look them up and be exact now, but they're close enough since the warmists can't be exact either.

Through geologic history, since life evolved on earth, CO2 has ranged from about 300 - 1000 parts per million (ppm).

CO2 is currently about 380 ppm, which is fractionally 0.000380, or 0.038%. I've read that man's contribution to this is somewhere between a 1/16th and 1/8th. It is a buffered system with plants absorbing and the oceans absorbing or emitting depending whether they are cooling or warming. Complex as hell and none of the models include water vapor which is much more influential in thermodynamics than a trace gas like CO2.

To put this in "moron" terms:

If the atmosphere were a football field, CO2 is currently on the 1.4 inch line and life thrived when it was on the 3.6 inch line. Where the ball is between these two marks is about one half of an inch due to us, the rest is referree spot.

JMHO, I'm an engineer not climate scientist but hell, lots of warmists are political scientists so I figure I can spout off too.

84 Those idiots keep confusing me with that jerkoff Correlation.  And we don't even look alike!

85 So what if, in the end, we are hoisting our banner over a wasteland, it's still a victory, right?

Well, yeah.  Technically.

At least I'd count it as such.

86 How dare you put a price tag on the health of Gaia! You are a fascist and a racist.

But I've been told by the Dalai Lama that when I die I will receive total consciousness. So I've got that going for me. Which is nice.

87 If we are serious about getting huge amounts of cheap power, we need to look at space-based solar arrays -- but that technology is probably 50-100 years from being realized.

Beaming down gigawatts of energy from space. What could possibly go wrong?

88 dang, sock off

89 27 Need time to gin up some new fake science, because what the hoaxers had has been thoroughly debunked. Posted by: bill-tb 

Didn't take em long to come up with some bullshit study on mammograms. Bet that was done by some Affirmative Action flunkie.

90

Is the core of the Earth hot enough to melt steel?

Posted by: Rosie at November 18, 2009 10:32 AM (4pdbX)

 

Superman can fly through it, so I would guess ' no'

91 ... also, regarding my comment 82... hydroponic growers add CO2 to get 1000 ppm, plants thrive in it.

92

This planet is doomed

lie back and enjoy it

93 I'm not too worried about "cap and trade" because the American electorate isn't stupid enough to sit still and lets its energy costs be arbitrarily increased by 30% with one penstroke.

This legislation is effectively DOA already, and if the most liberal President ever can't squeeze it through the most liberal Congress ever, its not going to happen.

The big fight is still healthcare.

94 Yes, nucular--and it operates at temperatures far lower than that found at the earth's core.



I saw what you did there.

95 What happens if we strike some evil oil while drilling for that brazillian degree geothermal stuff?

96 "It's really big, really, really hard, and is going to make a lot of people mad!"

97
We must lose every battle to win the war. 

We're not winning anything when these bills fail to pass Congress. The moderate Democrats are winning. The Republicans, in the eyes of the public, look like bystanders. Impotent, toothless bystanders.

I'm not saying I want these bills to pass. My point is that we should realize that the Democrats are coming to their senses and 2010 is not going to be a cake-walk. For those of you in Rio Linda: the Democrats are not providing us with any ammunition to use against them.

98

Monty,

If we get serious, we can put a serious number of nuclear plants on line in five years (smaller units would expand the number greatly).  Of course, this would take the courage to tell every single NIMBY to sit down and shut up.

Uranium reserves are plentiful, especially at a higher market price.  Almost half the states have exploitable deposits.

If we reprocess, the waste problem becomes much more manageable.

 

99 There is god news on the Nucular front.  Westinghouse recently received a huge order to produce Nucular power plant equipment so there will be an uptick in Nucular power plant construction.








Oh, I forgot to mention.  The power plants will be built in...............CHINA.

100 Guys please, as much as we all know Globull Warming is fake we must not ridicule it so much. Most people believe it regardless of what we think. If we do not embrace it at least somewhat people will be turned off and not vote for Republicans.

101 70 Monty, concerning your second question, we are pretty damned sure that the Earth's temperature is WAY below the optimum.

Posted by: Alberta and Saskatchewan at November 18, 2009 10:29 AM (FcR7P)

Throw another dead moose on the fire, and quitcherbitchin

102 96: We can run against the bills they passed in the House

103 where is global warming? my balls are freezing

104 "It's really big, really, really hard, and is going to make a lot of people mad!"


Is she talking about Cap 'n Trade or Darth Cheney's Mighty Warcock?

105

The thought of Claire McAsshole saying "it'really big and it's really hard", made me throw up in my mouth.

106

96

One word....Poetry.

107 Dear goforitbillbelichik I appreciate your ideas and I am sure you would be honored to have me subscribe to your newsletter. Bowing Deeply in servitude,

108 Monty;

It does no good to try and argue this carp with either variety of its supporters.

The GAIA folks are bat-shit crazy and don't understand real science.

The others are all either anarchists or communists and have no interest in the earth, only pushing a red agenda.

As for the EPA an d their bullshit. It can be stoped in court if we can get a company that has been "harmed" to sue. Provided we can find one that Obama hasn't bribed off yet.

109 @64 Bill Mitchell

The only thing I wonder is, as 11/2010 nears and the Dems begin to see just how figuratively bloody the electoral smackdown is gonna be, how far will they go to stop it?  Knowing they are going to get beaten badly no matter what, will they set all the figurative oil rigs on fire and go scorched earth?

I'm thinking the kenyan princess goes scorched-earth with the SOTU address in two months.  I expect some Chicago-way threats against hill democrats in that speech.

It doesn't matter what they do or don't do.  The expiration of the Bush tax cuts is going to make the economy suck even more than it does already.

There is also a long-shot chance that the country loses the ability to borrow.  By sunset on the day that happens, the federal government will be no more.

110

So what if, in the end, we are hoisting our banner over a wasteland, it's still a victory, right?

Not unless we get Aceapalozza! We do, however, have the wasteland.

111 Well, at least one group of voters got it right. Zack Greinke - AL Cy Young Award winner. And oh yeah, trees love CO₂ and every breath I takes gives the trees something to breath.

112 Now what the farg am I gonna do with all these 100 watt light bulbs I've been buying? My closets are already full of .308 and .45 auto! Can we get to just one pending apocalypse at a time??  KTHXBYE!

113 the Democrats are not providing us with any ammunition to use against them.

Posted by: goforitbillbelichik at November 18, 2009 10:44 AM (z37MR)

that may be one of the dumbest, most bs things, I think I have ever read here. and that includes erg, honest clod, and dumdum.

114 When I retired from the nuclear industry 4 years ago a lot of the major utilities had already file letters of intent with the NRC which is the first step in building new plants.

These new plants have two major things going for them. First the designs have already been approved by the NRC so that will cut a lot of the delay in getting them done. Second they will all be built on sites that already have at least one plant, and where the site was originally designed for more to be built. This will also eliminate a lot of the delays.

What really must be done is to elliminate the intervenors ability to halt progress by filing endless court papers in series. This is what caused most of the delays in the 80s and ran up the costs substantially.

When you are borrowing several billion dollars in the private sector a few months delays costs millions.

115 For those of you in Rio Linda: the Democrats are not providing us with any ammunition to use against them.

Except for their constantly pushing these bills in the first place.

Moby.

116

This idea that "the Republicans are finished forever!" if the Democrats don't pass these economy-crushing and lifestyle-depleting bills is patently absurd and smacks of cutting off one's nose to spite their face.  It's like a Republican from 1933 suggesting that the party should hope that more New Deal nonsense should get passed, or else they would be out of power permanently.

I'm getting a little tired of drama queens declaring the "end" of any major political party when one happens to gain major control of the branches of government.  Remember back in 2003 when people thought the Dems were going to eat themselves alive because they had so many "competing interests" that would tear their coalition apart?  Yeah, not so much.

It's virtually impossible in this day and age for a major political party to go tits-up: both Reps and Dems have huge financial support machines dedicated to two things: 1) raising money for elections; and 2) publically opposing the other party at every turn (behind the scenes there's really not that much difference).  The 95-0 vote on Kyoto was a black swan event that rarely happens.  Furthermore, Americans inevitably get tired of the party in power--at least on a national scale, local politics is quite different--and typically elect national leaders that are more reflective of cultural and social shifts.  "Change" isn't something that applies to one party when it comes to national elections; it's cyclical for both.

Furthermore, such "we have to let this pass or we're screwed!" advice is rendered even more nonsenical by the fact that once these programs DO pass, it will be IMPOSSIBLE to end them, short of a complete societal meltdown, because people will come to ACCEPT them as everyday occurences.  Social Security and Medicare/Medicaid are in the toilet (in no small part due to Congressmen taking surpluses from these programs over the last 40 years and dumping it into irrelevant pork nonsense), but just try and draw these programs down.  Half the town hall protests were by elderly people worried about losing their Medicare, not necessarily because they opposed government-sponsored health care in general.  So to suggest that the Repubs should let cap and trade pass in order to get elected in the short-term is immature, to say the least.

117

The Democrats are giving the Republicans alot to run on. Debt - alot of debt. 1.4 trillion dollar defiecit. All you have to do is take clips of those Democrats campaigning in 2006 and 2008 bemoaning George Bush's 800 billion dollar defiecit and show the red ink arrow going up to 1.4 trillion. Debt is the underlying achilles heel of the Democrats in 2010. Why - because, even assuming the average voter has the i.q. of room temperature, they can grasp the concep of debt.

Hell, throw in a montage of all the things China is building as a result of our interest payments to them as a result of 1.4 trillion dollars of debt and, boom- good ad. Even through in some dialogue about what we could do in America with the extra 197 billion we will pay the Chinesse in interest this year.

Seriously, it can't be that hard, can it?

118

The pending apocalypse is the swine flu + TB strain coming out of the Ukraine.

Odds are 100watt bulbs won't help, however.

119 A vast increase on nuclear generating capacity includes a vastly larger amount of radioactive waste.

No, it won't. Read up on new reactor designs.

What it really would do is generate a vastly larger amount of hippie crap. Grapeshot, mustard gas, and the occasional dose of napalm can clear that up.

120
lol @ "letting this pass"

first, that's not what I'm saying.

second, we have no choice in the matter.

The Democrats are the ones who will let bills pass or not let bills pass. The Republicans in Congress can't do shit. For the 3rd time, I'm telling you we better start reading the writing on the wall and realize the Democrats are not stupid and they are not about to cut their own throats.

121

What it really would do is generate a vastly larger amount of hippie crap. Grapeshot, mustard gas, and the occasional dose of napalm can clear that up.

And soap and water. I have always found that soap and water repel hippies quicker than most anything else.

122 A vast increase on nuclear generating capacity includes a vastly larger amount of radioactive waste.

Nuclear waste is a political issue, not a scientific one.

123

goforitbillbelichick,

The problem with your theory is once this stuff gets passed, or "gets done," it rarely, if ever, gets undone. Once the apparatus, the bureaucracy, gets put in place and is given an existence it seems to never go away.

 

124

Need time to gin up some new fake science, because what the hoaxers had has been thoroughly debunked.

Wouldn't you just love to see Al Gore financially ruined over this?  Not like it's going to happen though.  Religioius zealots are a stubborn lot.

125

And soap and water. I have always found that soap and water repel hippies quicker than most anything else.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 18, 2009 11:02 AM (V9SYy)

I've also found that a can of Axe body spray tends to repel them better than pepper spray.

126
Debt - alot of debt.

Agreed. but how many people know this? How many voters out there believe Obama inherited the debt and the mess from Bush and the Republicans?

The Republicans, as usual, are doing an awful job at setting the record straight. They don't stand a chance in 2010 if people a) continue to hear only one side of the story, and b) see no stark difference between the Republicans and the Democrats.

127

I've also found that a can of Axe body spray tends to repel them better than pepper spray.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Wicked High Temps in the Core of the Earth at November 18, 2009 11:04 AM (erIg9)

 

Only if you spray it in their eyes...

128

Here's a thought. Maybe Republicans could, you know, give people something to vote FOR.

At least the apocalypse will be televised.

129

lol @ "letting this pass"

first, that's not what I'm saying.

We need this crap to pass if want to regain control of Congress.

Your posts.

Make up your mind.

130

Wouldn't you just love to see Al Gore financially ruined over this?  Not like it's going to happen though.  Religioius zealots are a stubborn lot.

Posted by: katya at November 18, 2009 11:04 AM (fnf8n)

BURN THEM!

131
The problem with your theory is once this stuff gets passed, or "gets done," it rarely, if ever, gets undone.

I reject that because the Republicans will be voted in with the mandate to reverse the radical leftwing policies of this Congress and Obama. They will have the political clout (the will of the people behind them) to fight it out with the executive branch.

132 I reject that because the Republicans will be voted in with the mandate to reverse the radical leftwing policies of this Congress and Obama. They will have the political clout (the will of the people behind them) to fight it out with the executive branch.

Posted by: goforitbillbelichik at November 18, 2009 11:08 AM (z37MR)

Really? Please name for me one entitlement program that has EVER been undone.

133 127

Here's a thought. Maybe Republicans could, you know, give people something to vote FOR.

At least the apocalypse will be televised.

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at November 18, 2009 11:05 AM (dQdrY)

Some of them do.  Between getting literally locked out of closed-door Congresscritter meetings, the de facto media blackout, and endless propaganda from the White House, though, you'd never know it.

134 I think the thrust of goforitbillbelichick's argument is that the Donks have wised up to the political suicide aspect of their great crusade to turn the USA into Liechtenstein,  and are not gonna just jump into the political abyss while we sit back and munch popcorn. We're gonna have to work hard to push them in by fielding a competent electoral opposition; the current Republican party apparatus sure doesn't seem to be up to the job, to put it mildly.

135 Relatively inexpensive energy is not just a factor in the industrial revolution and the prosperity of the last century.  It is the reason for it.  If we had to, we would be better off taxing everything else to subsidize energy.

136

#130

Right. Like the "Contract with America" under Newt & Co. They sure got rid of a lot of the crap that got passed prior to that, didn't they?

And hell, Bush tried to just give an alternative to Social Security and got creamed for it. It has to be stopped before it gets in place.

137
We have no choice in the matter. The Republicans have a better shot to win in 2010 if this shit gets passed.

The Republican strategy to win in 2010 is, apparently, the employ the old "give 'em enough rope and they'll hang themselves with it" strategy. Guess what? The Democrats don't appear to want to put the noose around their necks.

That means the Republicans need to think about going to Plan B, if they have a Plan B.

138 Cap and Trade? Help me out here.

139 #125

Its not even about Dem vs. Republican "message".

If you accept the conventional wisdom that the American electorate has a short memory and is short sighted, it doesn't matter who came before or what they did.

When things suck, the public votes for whomever is NOT in power. . .and right now things suck BAD, and seem to be getting worse.

That's not good for the Dems, no matter how they try to spin it.

"Blame Bush" not only gets weaker with every passing day, it doesn't carry all that much weight in legislative elections, particularly given that the Dems have been controlling the Congress for the last 3 years.

#133 To the extent that the Democrats may be realizing that their extreme leftist agenda is electoral political poison for them, that's a GOOD thing, in my opinion.

140 Interesting article about why none of this nonsense will probably never happen.

http://tinyurl.com/yj95a75

props to logprof on the ONT for da link

141
...the Donks have wised up to the political suicide aspect of their great crusade to turn the USA into Liechtenstein,  and are not gonna just jump into the political abyss while we sit back and munch popcorn. We're gonna have to work hard to push them in by fielding a competent electoral opposition; the current Republican party apparatus sure doesn't seem to be up to the job, to put it mildly.

YES! Exactly.

Phew! I thought I was gonna be the only concern troll here today.

And by concern troll, I mean someone who isn't a fucking dunce.

142 Apparently they are too late anyway.  Al Gore told us so.  How the hell is he going to make enough money to fuel his houseboat AND pay the electric bill on his home if we keep postpone saving the world!  You would think we all would be a little more compassionate than that.

143

86 If we are serious about getting huge amounts of cheap power, we need to look at space-based solar arrays -- but that technology is probably 50-100 years from being realized.

Beaming down gigawatts of energy from space. What could possibly go wrong?   

Aside from frying everything in it's path. Not much.

144 The Republican strategy to win in 2010 is, apparently, the employ the old "give 'em enough rope and they'll hang themselves with it" strategy. Guess what? The Democrats don't appear to want to put the noose around their necks.

And yet, look at the fricking polls.

Moby.

145

The Republicans, as usual, are doing an awful job at setting the record straight. They don't stand a chance in 2010 if people a) continue to hear only one side of the story, and b) see no stark difference between the Republicans and the Democrats.

Hey, I wrote the damn ad for them and it took me all of 4 or 5 minutes and half cup of coffee. Plus, these will be Republican challengers - no record to defend. Off year elections are always about the party in control, in this case, the Democrats. It is not about are Republicans better than Democrats or visa versa. Off year elections are always about the party that is in control. The debt is not going away and 1.4 trillion is not going away. You are working on an assumption that 2010 will be a debate about which party is better. It won't. It is always a referendum on the party in power.

Throw in 1.4 trillion debt, throw in an unemployment rate of at least 9 (if we are lucky - and I am not optimistic about that), throw in all the silly stimulus spending, throw in the foreign policy bluners (KSM being tried in NY, Afghanistan), add to the fact that you are going to have a commercial real estate meltdown after the first of the year, plus a fresh batch of commerical bankruptcy filings. Really, how much ammo do you need.

And there is another point as well. Bad policy is bad policy. I think your suggestion is akin to waking up one morning with a headache, and slamming your hand in the car door to forget the headache.

146

lol @ "letting this pass"

first, that's not what I'm saying.

second, we have no choice in the matter.

The Democrats are the ones who will let bills pass or not let bills pass. The Republicans in Congress can't do shit. For the 3rd time, I'm telling you we better start reading the writing on the wall and realize the Democrats are not stupid and they are not about to cut their own throats.

Sooo, what is it you want here?  For us to sit down and be quiet?  For us to cheer on the destruction of America because that will prove we were right?  Yes, the Republicans are spineless.  You'll get no argument from us here on that matter. 

Some of the Dems will cut their throats because they are true believers.  The Dems, more than anything, have more power ($ and MSM) than brains.  And the weak-mindedness of the American population works in their favor.

But we will not shut up about these crap bills.  They are destructive, they are wrong.

147

We have no choice in the matter. The Republicans have a better shot to win in 2010 if this shit gets passed.

Dude, seriously, if this shit gets passed, who cares what happens afterwards? Why would you want to become captain of the Titanic after it hits the iceberg?

148 As other people here have pointed out here, the real government power grab is taking place at the EPA and the other bureaucracies in DC. They can just write regulations to implement all this ill stuff, and if Congress and the President are in on the game our only hope is the Federal courts. Forgive me if I do not feel glee at our chances in THAT rathouse.

149

Really? Please name for me one entitlement program that has EVER been undone.

The best example: In 1901, McKinnely passed a tax on telephones to finance the War in Cuba Remember, in 1901, only the evil rich had telephones. That was finally repealled. In 2006.

Thus, any program passed, even if the most inane and stupid, takes along, long time to kill.

150
When things suck, the public votes for whomever is NOT in power. . .and right now things suck BAD, and seem to be getting worse.

Normally, yes. But the Democrats have done a fine job of pinning the whole mess on the Republicans. Shit, most people think the Republicans were in charge of Congress until January, 2009.

151 And by concern troll, I mean someone who isn't a fucking dunce.

Hey, happy to rewrite it so English-speaking people could understand it.

152 Al-
I'm not as scary smart as you, so please explain how one drills into something that is at a million degrees.  I mean, do you need some kind of special metal or something?

153 I'm still waiting to hear which of the bureaucratic monstrosities that have been put in place in the past have ever been undone. Please enlighten a fookin' dunce, would ya?

154 If we are serious about getting huge amounts of cheap power, we need to look at space-based solar arrays -- but that technology is probably 50-100 years from being realized.

Beaming down gigawatts of energy from space. What could possibly go wrong?    Aside from frying everything in it's path. Not much.

Many of the plans for this technology envision low energy densities; more like sunlight.  Of course, this means the receptors have to be much larger than would otherwise be necessary.

155

I reject that because the Republicans will be voted in with the mandate to reverse the radical leftwing policies of this Congress and Obama. They will have the political clout (the will of the people behind them) to fight it out with the executive branch.

There is, of course, one flaw in that argument: veto. The One will veto all the repeal efforts. And you aren't going to get that big of a majority in the House and Senate (you would need 67 votes in the Senate) to get there.

156

I mean, do you need some kind of special metal or something?

Yeah! It's called steel! Duh!

157 Mallamutt, good example. I'm thinking along the lines of medicare/medicaid, Social Security, Welfare, large gubment entitlement programs expressly designed to take from the producing segment of the country, and redistribute it to the nonproducers.

In this case, cap and tax, does not take that wealth from one segment of private society, and hand it over to another; it takes if from all of us, and hands it over to the federal government.

and if anyone thinks there's a snowball's chance in hell of that ever being repealed, they're a fucking fool, and should be removed from polite society.

158 Did I say bet example at 148. I meant ONLY example.

159

Mallamutt,

So it has been done. And it only took 105 years. What am I worried about? /sarc

160 3. If too much CO2 in the atmosphere is bad (greenhouse effect) and too little CO2 is bad (plant starvation), then do we assume that humans must intervene technologically to keep this CO2 level at equilibrium? Do we have this technology, currently? If not, what is the plan to keep the global CO2 balance at equilibrium? If you don't have a global plan, but only national plans, won't that do more harm than good, equilibrium-wise?

And what happens if what we do to solve the problem sends CO2 levels plummeting?  Or if by some force of nature CO2 levels start to plummet?  Which is the worst problem for mankind - temperatures rising or plant starvation?

But don't worry we can do it, we can solve anything.

161 In this case, cap and tax, does not take that wealth from one segment of private society, and hand it over to another; it takes if from all of us, and hands it over to the federal government.

About 40% of the revenue generated in the House bill was dedicated to paying energy bills for the "poor"  i.e. the Peggy's of the country.

Another large portion was going to be sent overseas, but that was done outside the bill. A case of right hand left hand rule of politicians.

(Forget the old motor-generator rules)

162 '....by fielding a competent electoral opposition; the current Republican party apparatus sure doesn't seem to be up to the job, to put it mildly."

They don't have squat. Nor does anybody else. At least not now. I really don't care who it is as long as they understand it's OUR money they are pouring down a rat hole, climate change is just that and we can't stop it which ever way IT decides to go and no more free rides. Get off the damn bus and help push.

163 About 40% of the revenue generated in the House bill was dedicated to paying energy bills for the "poor"  i.e. the Peggy's of the country.

Another large portion was going to be sent overseas, but that was done outside the bill. A case of right hand left hand rule of politicians.

(Forget the old motor-generator rules)

Posted by: Vic at November 18, 2009 11:34 AM (CDUiN)

I have entertained the thought that the "poor", those that continually vote for the liberal agenda in this country, aren't part of society anymore, they're simply an arm of the democrat controlled government.

164

 Of course, this means the receptors have to be much larger than would otherwise be necessary.

Which means they will block out, absorb and reflect sunlight thereby cool the earth.

SOMEBODY CALL AL!!!!    President DUUUH WON, we have a new crisis to expoit.

165 The joker is that Cap'n Tax was the revenue generator for government health care and myriad other welfare-state goodies envisioned by Botoxica and Harry 'Broken' Reid. If they pass any of the giveaways and don't pass cap and trade there's no way in hell they'd even be able to cook the books to MAKE it look like it could be paid for. It was the mother of all stealth taxes.

166 What we need to do is to shove some cold Alaskan caribou down into the core to cool it off.

167

151 / Pep:

I'm an oil & gas drilling engineer - one would have to drill into that with an alloy we call "Unobtainium".

168

I'm really enjoying being in the oil business these days.

And seeing this shit, it's just gonna get better. What a collection of dumbasses we have in DC!

 

169 No cap-and-trade???? What will I tell little Che-Che???

170

About cheap and abundant energy, Nicolai Tesla came up with a cheap way to generate electricity, so cheap, in fact, it was damned near free. He floated the idea to some investors who turned him down because they couldn't make any money from something that didn't cost anything to produce.

Interestingly enough, the plans, along with the rest of his estate, were disappeared after his death. They're still somewhere, if memory serves. If we were actually serious about energy, someone would be taking a look at all possible methods of generation. Which would mean digging these plans out of the mothballs.

Who knows what we might find.

171 I've also found that a can of Axe body spray tends to repel them better than pepper spray.


Even better if you combine it with a Bic lighter, Rorschach-style.

172

167: TexasJew

Yeah, me to. I wish NatGas prices were higher but I think that's coming. Let the country tilt at windmills and solar for another few years and there will be a reckoning.

173 166

151 / Pep:

I'm an oil & gas drilling engineer - one would have to drill into that with an alloy we call "Unobtainium".

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 18, 2009 11:45 AM (s2bW4)

I'm a rockhound (AAPG) and a member of the SPE. Where are you working these days? I'm up in the Williston and out here in West Texas.

174 What the Republicans need is already there!  They need the votes of Democrat house members on these fucking economy killing bills like Cap and tax and the government takeover of Healthcare.  That gives them the ammunition for the elections. 

What we all need is the Senate to refuse to take this shit up so it doesn't actually become law and further ruin our economy.  The R's don't need both houses to stop this madness.  The House alone is all we need and it's there for the taking!

Nov 7, 2009   H R 3962 The destruction of Healthcare act
June 26,2009   H R 2454 The kill our fucking economy act

Throw in the shit sandwich of the "stimulus" and any half fucking competent Republican strategist can win this one!

175

151 / Pep:

I'm an oil & gas drilling engineer - one would have to drill into that with an alloy we call "Unobtainium".

Physical chemist here.  I just had a eureka moment.  We focus a space-based solar array and use it to drill through the earth.  What, as they say, could go wrong?

176 any half fucking competent Republican strategist can win this one!

Easier to find unobtainium, I'm thinking.

177 About cheap and abundant energy, Nicolai Tesla came up with a cheap way to generate electricity, so cheap, in fact, it was damned near free.

Well, in actuality, the plans for that are stored in the same hidden vault as the plans for the 150 mpg carburetor and the perpetual motion machine.

We already have ways to generate electricity extremely cheap. Hyrdo can be done for less that 2 cents/kw even now if you could get the "greens" t let you build one.  When I first started working in nuclear power the plant I worked at had a bottom line cost of 6 mils/kw (that is 0.6 cents/kw)

Keep in mind that generation is only one small part of the cost.

178 Physical chemist here.  I just had a eureka moment.  We focus a space-based solar array and use it to drill through the earth.  What, as they say, could go wrong?

Posted by: pep at November 18, 2009 12:03 PM (5GcKk)

Can you say "ozonolysis"?

179

172 / TexasJew:

I'm living and officed in Denver, my rigs are drilling in Wyoming and Pennsylvania. Moved up here from Corpus Christi three years ago, before that Lafayette - Norway - Lafayette.

I noticed on one of your comments last night that you did some time in Ponca City. I started out of college with that Ponca company but in Lafayette drilling GoM. 

180 I only yield to Dick Cheneyite

181 The only thing more dense than I am is Governmentium.

182

I'm actually bummed out. Had the Commiecrats tried Cap-And-Tax too, they would have divided their efforts and it might have been easier to defeat socialized medicine, as well as exposing man-made "Climate Change" for the fraud that it is. Now they can focus on socialized medicine.

 

183

Are there any Democrats in the government that aren't people hating Communists? I'm just wondering. I'd say Leiberman, but he's an Independent now.....

I sure hope so. Number wise, the "Boll Weevils" and/or "Blue Dogs" are the only ones staving off socialized medicine.

184 178

172 / TexasJew:

I'm living and officed in Denver, my rigs are drilling in Wyoming and Pennsylvania. Moved up here from Corpus Christi three years ago, before that Lafayette - Norway - Lafayette.

I noticed on one of your comments last night that you did some time in Ponca City. I started out of college with that Ponca company but in Lafayette drilling GoM. 

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 18, 2009 12:08 PM (s2bW4)

Plan a move to North Dakota! Bakken/Three Forks... I am going to drill the first Three Forks well in far western North Dakota iin the early spring.

I hear that Denver is becoming a ghost town with all the envirocrap. The Williston is about to explode and the wait for a motel room in Williston these days is about a month. I'm getting a small office there before the boom really hits in the beginning of the spring.

My partner and I have a couple of sections leased and are in the process of leasing two more, for a total of about 2500-3000 acres.   

I've been in  anumber of big-ass drilling booms over the past thirty-plus years, but this is going to top them all!

185

The only thing more dense than I am is Governmentium.

My sustainium is pretty dense , too.

186

183

We're doing real good in Wyo but those that were W. Slope Colorado focused aren't.

Good luck in NoDak !

We probably have friends in common, how long were you with that "Ponca company". I left them in '98.

187 Unobtainium sock off

188

Good luck in NoDak !

We probably have friends in common, how long were you with that "Ponca company". I left them in '98.

Posted by: Unobtainium at November 18, 2009 12:33 PM (s2bW4)

Thanks!

I actually was an independent oil producer and geologist in Kay, Grant and Payne counites back in the early-mid-1980's, chasing that old Red Fork around, primarily. I did pretty well, found some nice field extensions, and didn't even mind living in Ponca for that four-year period. 

189

Well, in actuality, the plans for that are stored in the same hidden vault as the plans for the 150 mpg carburetor and the perpetual motion machine.

Tesla vault? I thought you said Templar Vault!!!

 

190 171

167: TexasJew

Yeah, me to. I wish NatGas prices were higher but I think that's coming. Let the country tilt at windmills and solar for another few years and there will be a reckoning.

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 18, 2009 11:54 AM (s2bW4)

I'm a bit skeptical of the recovery in NatGas, because of the overhang and the threat from the LNG tankers. The Barnett has shut down in Texas, and those rigs will be pointing up to the Williston in short order.

In fact, we are going to need  a rig, it appears, for our spring well and three offsets, The "big boys' up there are grabbing every rig thay can get their hands on. Our wells are 10,400' vertical and a 5-6000' lateral. We set about 10500-11000' foot of stout 7' casing into the radius and there is a salt zone around 8000'.  Surface casing to 1700', usually, although the state may be changiing that.

Any local drillers in your neck to the world moving into that area? I need to set something up pretty soon.

191

And by concern troll, I mean someone who isn't a fucking dunce.

So your solution is to simply accept that the program will get passed, in the hope that the Republicans can use this as the "big issue" for the 2010 elections?  Have you actually seen the economy lately?  Capt and tax won't even be the biggest issue in 2010--it's going to be the stimulus and whatever the U3 and U6 are.  People aren't going to give a shit about home weatherization if they're having trouble even putting food on the table.  The main reason Obama's ratings haven't gone completely in the tank is Uncle Ben enacted his "leg drop the dollar" policy to get the current stock market bubble going.

You've already been shown to be dissembling on the "letting this pass" plan of attack, and you seem to be under the delusion that if the Republicans take back one or both of the chambers they'll be able to get these programs repealed, not having acknowledged that these type of programs are damn near impossible to remove or reform once enacted.  Not to mention that Obama will just veto anything coming from a Republican-controlled Congress that would eliminate these programs.  So either you're a concern troll or you don't have any idea what the hell you're talking about.

Perhaps you should take care as to who you call "dense" and "a fucking dunce" because it appears you don't have a damn clue about how government actually works.

192 "For those of you in Rio Linda: the Democrats are not providing us with any ammunition to use against them."

Indeed, as the polls, and the elections in purple VA and deep blue NJ have just amply demonstrated.  O wait.

The idea that the Democrats haven't provided us any ammunition over the last 11 months is one of the most high-larious loads of bullshit I've ever heard.  And he actually calls us idiots while he spews it.  Why is anyone even listening to this troll, much less bothering to argue with it?

Qwinn

193

About cheap and abundant energy, Nicolai Tesla came up with a cheap way to generate electricity, so cheap, in fact, it was damned near free. He floated the idea to some investors who turned him down because they couldn't make any money from something that didn't cost anything to produce.

Interestingly enough, the plans, along with the rest of his estate, were disappeared after his death. They're still somewhere, if memory serves. If we were actually serious about energy, someone would be taking a look at all possible methods of generation. Which would mean digging these plans out of the mothballs.

Who knows what we might find.

Tesla is sort of a demi-god at our house.  The guy was so scary genius and so far ahead of his time that he freaked people out and was cast out of society.  Plus it was a good opportunity steal his inventions.

194 189: Quite a few Opco's here in Denver are drilling in NoDak (EOG, Questar, Encana etc). I know their staff drilling engrs and supts. Probably best to take this off this thread, if you want send me an email at my junk address: centerfire underscore tx at yahoo dot com. Off the top of my head, I don't know of any consulting drilling engineers that I would recommend.

195 That probably means what they want is hidden in other bills.

Like they hid health care stuff in the TARP bill.

196 The earth is a mass of incandescent gas
A gigantic nuclear furnace
Where hydrogen is built into helium
At a temperature of millions of degrees

Wait no, that was the Sun, not the Earth wasn't it? Al Gore knows less about science than They Might Be Giants.

Maybe they deserve a Nobel Prize for their genius in science that they've shown through verse?  Why not?

197 burberry scarf | CD Keys

198 Related enough...The Great ManBearPig Hunter thinks the temperature of the Earth's core is One Million Bajillion Degrees! Shut up, the science is settled. It's a sunshine day, right under your feet. (facepalm)

199 Several million degrees? So, just how hot do you figure the surface of the sun is? Roughly. AlGore...the Dr Evil of Global Warming. The core is one...mill...one BILLION degrees!

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