February 17, 2009

Bristol Palin on Abstinence, Tabloids
— Gabriel Malor

This is one brave woman. You couldn't get me on national tv talking about this stuff when I was 18.

There's video at the link, but here's a partial transcript courtesy of Ed:

GRETA: I don’t want to pry too personally, but obviously contraception is an issue here. Is that something that you were lazy about or not interested in, or do you have a philosophical or religious opposition to it, or –

BRISTOL: No, I don’t want to get into detail about that. But I think abstinence is like … I don’t know how to put it, like … the main … Everyone should be abstinent, but it’s not realistic at all.

GRETA: Why?

BRISTOL: Because — I don’t want to get into detail about it.

GRETA: [crosstalk] Just big picture, not about you –

BRISTOL: Because it’s more and more accepted.

I think the "it" in that last sentence is meant to be "extramarital sex."

Here's Ed:

Of course, acceptance is why many people want abstinence taught. The entire idea is to push back against the acceptance of sexual activity among those who are ill-equipped to handle the emotional, health, and financial consequences of sexual activity. That doesn’t mean that we don’t teach about contraception as well — it always amazes me when people consider the two mutually exclusive — but that explaining that only abstinence gives one complete protection against pregnancy and STDs in ways that condoms do not, as well as the risks of exploitation.

I'm not certain that Bristol meant her mention of abstinence to imply anything about contraception, especially since her mom self-reports as "pro-contraceptives." But Ed can rest easy on the teaching abstinence or teaching abstinence and contraceptives issue. Obama is infamously in favor of "comprehensive sex education" including both abstinence and contraceptive education.

And Debbie Schlussel from the comments was too good to pass up:

Not only does she not believe in abstinence, but she doesn’t believe in marriage either, apparently, since it’s been almost a year since she learned she was pregnant and almost two months since she had the kid. And yet, she’s still a baby mama. Hilarious that people call her mother–who enabled this baby mamahood and continues to put a roof over it–the “conservative of the year.” Simply hilarious. Not only has America become socialist under Obama, but conservatives have abandoned any sense of family values. In this one family–the new template for America’s conservative movement–you have a Mr. Mom, teenage pregnancy, single motherhood, and opposition to abstinence teaching. Awesome.

Discuss.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 06:05 AM | Comments (209)
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1 She's EIGHTEEN, fer cris-sakes.

Wadda' you expect?


Posted by: franksalterego at February 17, 2009 06:10 AM (GKyIE)

2 Its funny that Debbie Schlussel thinks that marriage is the best thing in this situation. Wasnt Levi's mom arrested for meth or something? Ya, if i had a choice of my daughter being single, or marrying in to a loser family, i think i could make an exception.

Posted by: RiteWingFascist at February 17, 2009 06:10 AM (1hSHv)

3

Uh, you mean "premarital sex", Gabe, not "extra".

Posted by: andycanuck at February 17, 2009 06:11 AM (TpHGM)

4 Why do you insist on pooping in the ice cream, Gabe?

Posted by: Dave @ at February 17, 2009 06:12 AM (L1Dtq)

5 I wonder why she went on TV to begin with. She has nothing to explain to anyone. It just gives the MSM talk show talking heads something to kick around and "debate" with the end result throwing Sarah & the conservative movement under the bus. It's just giving them a match to light the fire. She owes them nothing. Btw, I don't consider Todd Palin a Mr. Mom. Even if he was, how does that counter conservative values? Maybe I'm missing something here.

Posted by: Twinks at February 17, 2009 06:14 AM (KGbOi)

6 Debbie Schlussel is a stupid whore.

Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/tard at February 17, 2009 06:14 AM (IoUF1)

7 Would be great if someone in the conservative blogosphere noted that, in last night's interview, Gov. Palin announced she was ready for a fight over the Fairness Doctrine.

Obligatory scolding: bad, Bristol, bad!

Here's the question I want answered: why do the Palin's always seem more cheerful and happier than just about anyone I know?



Posted by: Robert_Paulson at February 17, 2009 06:14 AM (zjgCD)

8 Ah, Debbie Schlussel, there's a "Conservative of the Year" if there ever was one.

Posted by: Techie at February 17, 2009 06:15 AM (906oR)

9

Why is she doing a TV interview?

Posted by: Average Jen at February 17, 2009 06:16 AM (OINAg)

10

Whatever do you expect out of an 18 year old by way of commentary?? 

She appeared to be trying to speak the truth as she understands it.  Ms. Schlussel might reflect a bit on whether conservatism and loving ones family and attempting to make correct choices requires perfection.  Given the circumstances, I wonder what choices she would have made had she been in Sarah Palin's position?

The young Miss Palin may yet marry her child's father, or not.  They are not yet in a position to fend for themselves, now, are they?  Marriages between 18 year olds, particularly 18 year olds raising an infant are statistically quite fragile, even with parental support. Best not compound mistakes.

I too, am amazed that she spoke to the media at all.  Not much to be gained there.

 

Posted by: Gabby at February 17, 2009 06:16 AM (uHd0A)

11

She was very brave and I admire the fact that she was willing to come forward and talk about it. 

Marriage is hard enough when you are older and don't have a child to deal with.  I would never force my child to marry anyone and I actually have respect for Bristol and Levi for not jumping into it just because they brought a baby into the world or because the MSM and judgemental people think they should. 

Bristol was also right about the people out there who came out of the woodwork and tried to tear her and her mother to shreds during the campaign.  They are EVIL and someday it will come back to haunt them, when they see that their 45th or 46th President is a woman named Sarah.  I relish the day.

Posted by: Nancy W at February 17, 2009 06:16 AM (DXHVe)

12 Who said this family is the conservative template? Looks like a real American family, except mom and dad aren't divorced. Who put Ms Schlussel in charge as the arbiter of acceptability? Maybe she should go see the Chaplain and lighten up

Posted by: is my unicorn on back order? at February 17, 2009 06:17 AM (EUYVu)

13

Oh, I see Captain Ed used the "extra", as well, meaning "outside of marriage". I always considered "pre" as before marriage between a committed couple and "extra" as an affair after marriage. But I can see this usage, as well.

Posted by: andycanuck at February 17, 2009 06:18 AM (TpHGM)

14 Btw, I don't consider Todd Palin a Mr. Mom. Even if he was, how does that counter conservative values? Maybe I'm missing something here.

Posted by: Twinks at February 17, 2009 11:14 AM (KGbOi)


It doesn't. This has NOTHING to do with Bristol having a kid out-of-wedlock. There are a bunch of unhinged wingnut douchebags like Michael Savage, Debbie Schlussel, Peggy Noonan, etc., who are very, very bitter that Romney wasn't chosen as VP, and they hate Palin like poison. They can get the fuck out of conservative politics and take their fail with them as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/tard at February 17, 2009 06:18 AM (IoUF1)

15 This is all a wonderful distraction over Sarah announcing her opposition to the the Stimulus package and the revival of the Fairness Doctrine.

Don't worry, Sarah Palin WILL be destroyed by the media and its enablers.  The GOP will nominate John McCain and Arlen Specter in 2012, and.......you can see where this is going.

Posted by: Techie at February 17, 2009 06:19 AM (906oR)

16 My guess is that Greta's recent nose dive in ratings, with the lack of "__ killed baby", or "__ baby has been missing" stories caused her to play her "I <3 Palin" card that she has been building up.

Posted by: RiteWingFascist at February 17, 2009 06:19 AM (1hSHv)

17 I suspect that the need for privacy kept her a bit imprecise there, and that she meant that however much one might believe in the ideal of abstinence, it is not realistic to rely upon it as much as some members of the conservative coalition might desire. And we must recall that within the abstinence-promoting crowd there ARE those who see it as "abstinence-only," including some Roman Catholics, and some Protestants who believe that for young people to HAVE birth control on hand is tantamount to premeditation WRT sin. A lot of babies are conceived because "good girls don't have diaphrams."

Posted by: Attila Girl at February 17, 2009 06:23 AM (TpmQk)

18 Can Debbie Schlussel do anything besides whine and complain?

Posted by: Timothy Watson at February 17, 2009 06:23 AM (UWbv/)

19 Debbie Schlusselis is the kind of 'conservative' that makes me regret having to identify myself as a conservative.

What a fool.

Posted by: DrewM. at February 17, 2009 06:23 AM (hlYel)

20

Greta seems to be the media conduit for the Palins, due to her sympathetic previous interviews with Sarah, but I still don't see what Bristol stood to gain from speaking about this.

I can also speak from experience about having an unmarried, young daughter be pregnant.

After the first shock, you do what good families do.  Pull closer and welcome the newest member of the clan with open arms.

It's too bad if others don't like it.

Posted by: who knows at February 17, 2009 06:24 AM (7FgWm)

21 RiteWingFascist, there hasn't been any missing white coeds recently either.

Posted by: Timothy Watson at February 17, 2009 06:24 AM (UWbv/)

22 Schlussel on Palin: She doesn't believe in marriage.

That's nuts. Not every marriage should happen.

By the way, is Schlussel married? I mean, does she have Maureen Dowd's problem?

Posted by: arhooley at February 17, 2009 06:25 AM (nkesr)

23

I don't think it's entirely fair to blame Palin for whatever her kids say or do.

That said, it's true that conservatism these days is looking more and more like the liberalism of a decade ago. Just check out "The New Majority" and "The Next Right" if you doubt it.

Posted by: flenser at February 17, 2009 06:25 AM (KNe5M)

24 I give Bristol credit for talking about the situation on national television.  I guess I can understand why you included Debbie's quote.  You wanted to remind us that out of wedlock pregnancies know no political party and that ones membership in a political party is not contingent upon your child marrying their sexual partner.

Newsflash Debbie..unwed pregnancies occur in "good" homes as well as "bad".  A parent can send their kid to church every Sunday (in some cases twice on Sunday and once on Wednesday) and the result will be the same..My religious teaching taught me that there is but one man we answer to.  The sin has already been committed, and marrying Levi does not make up for it. 

Posted by: Pam at February 17, 2009 06:26 AM (yta3N)

25 Not sending your daughter to live in seclusion on some quiet farm ala Jane Austen seduction victim is an "absence of family values"? Palin's daughter should be cast out? Jeebus.

Posted by: SarahW at February 17, 2009 06:26 AM (r/1UT)

26  Debbie Schlussel is a deranged lunatic.  Which is fun when she's on the side you're on, but turns tiresome and predictable when she's not.  I'm not sure what she's advocating here - is Sarah Palin supposed to throw her daughter out of her house or something?  Shotgun marriage? 

Posted by: radar at February 17, 2009 06:26 AM (9RRlU)

27 I was wondering how having the wife be the bread winner somehow made a family less conservative until I noticed that it was noted Petulant Cow Debbuh. Then I understood. What I don't understand is why people continue to link to her. She possesses all the insight of a DU poster, all the intellect of an average Obama voter and skin as thick as that of an onion.

Posted by: physics geek at February 17, 2009 06:27 AM (MT22W)

28 Conservative are MEAN! It's cheating to forgive and protect your lapsed family members.

Posted by: SarahW at February 17, 2009 06:27 AM (r/1UT)

29 Why do I have a feeling that Debbie had been dumped by one or two of her husbands?

Posted by: Timothy Watson at February 17, 2009 06:28 AM (UWbv/)

30 My wife and I were engaged for over two years before actually tying the knot due to a variety of circumstances.

I guess we "didn't believe in marriage" either.

Debbie is a tool.

Posted by: Techie at February 17, 2009 06:30 AM (906oR)

31

Debbie Schlussel is a deranged lunatic

Naw, she's all right. I'll take her over Brooks or Frum or Rick Moran any day.

 

Of course, acceptance is why many people want abstinence taught. The entire idea is to push back against the acceptance of sexual activity among those who are ill-equipped to handle the emotional, health, and financial consequences of sexual activity.

Indeed. I often disagree with Ed but he's on the money there.

Posted by: flenser at February 17, 2009 06:31 AM (KNe5M)

32

Debbie Schlussel is a deranged lunatic

Naw, she's all right. I'll take her over Brooks or Frum or Rick Moran any day.

 

Of course, acceptance is why many people want abstinence taught. The entire idea is to push back against the acceptance of sexual activity among those who are ill-equipped to handle the emotional, health, and financial consequences of sexual activity.

Indeed. I often disagree with Ed but he's on the money there.

Posted by: flenser at February 17, 2009 06:31 AM (KNe5M)

33 Bristol Palin isn't running for anything on a conservative platform.  She isn't Sarah Palin, she's herself and entitled to her own views.

I surely wouldn't expect my own parents' conservative (nevermind religious!) views assessed by what I thought at 18.  Remember the saying, "if you are not a liberal in your 20's you have no heart, but if you aren't a Conservative by your 30's you have no brain"? or something like that . . .

I wish I could say I skipped my young liberal phase, but I had a raging case of it when I was in college.  Back when I knew everything and social injustices were simply cured by government handouts and political compassion and stuffy conservative values meant nothing to my ability to do vodka shots and still make it to class by 11:30 am.  Good times.

Then I found out I have to pay taxes and people in other countries want to blow us up even if we are nice to them.  Ahem.

Bristol Palin is allowed to be Bristol Palin.  Having the composure to endure the hideous treatment her family received during the campaign, while pregnant, says more remarkable things about her parents than any "party line" she might offer the press.

Posted by: ace tomato at February 17, 2009 06:31 AM (+tEfW)

34 Bristol Palin isn't running for anything on a conservative platform.  She isn't Sarah Palin, she's herself and entitled to her own views.

I surely wouldn't expect my own parents' conservative (nevermind religious!) views assessed by what I thought at 18.  Remember the saying, "if you are not a liberal in your 20's you have no heart, but if you aren't a Conservative by your 30's you have no brain"? or something like that . . .

I wish I could say I skipped my young liberal phase, but I had a raging case of it when I was in college.  Back when I knew everything and social injustices were simply cured by government handouts and political compassion and stuffy conservative values meant nothing to my ability to do vodka shots and still make it to class by 11:30 am.  Good times.

Then I found out I have to pay taxes and people in other countries want to blow us up even if we are nice to them.  Ahem.

Bristol Palin is allowed to be Bristol Palin.  Having the composure to endure the hideous treatment her family received during the campaign, while pregnant, says more remarkable things about her parents than any "party line" she might offer the press.

Posted by: ace tomato at February 17, 2009 06:31 AM (+tEfW)

35 radar, hell; I wouldn't want her on my side.

Posted by: Timothy Watson at February 17, 2009 06:32 AM (UWbv/)

36 radar, hell; I wouldn't want her on my side.

Posted by: Timothy Watson at February 17, 2009 06:32 AM (UWbv/)

37 One must read the entire article to fully appreciate the unbridled, unabashed twatiness of Debbie Schlusell.

There's really no good reason why the Palin daughter and the father of this illegitimate kid with an enormously pretentious name haven't married yet.

You know, you can make an argument against single motherhood without stooping to insulting someone's name, for Christ's sake.

What the fuck did Bristol Palin ever do to Debbie Schlussell? Do some people just carry around a big 'ol handbag stuffed with hate every day?

Posted by: Warden at February 17, 2009 06:32 AM (KXbGD)

38 One must read the entire article to fully appreciate the unbridled, unabashed twatiness of Debbie Schlusell.

There's really no good reason why the Palin daughter and the father of this illegitimate kid with an enormously pretentious name haven't married yet.

You know, you can make an argument against single motherhood without stooping to insulting someone's name, for Christ's sake.

What the fuck did Bristol Palin ever do to Debbie Schlussell? Do some people just carry around a big 'ol handbag stuffed with hate every day?

Posted by: Warden at February 17, 2009 06:32 AM (KXbGD)

39

but conservatives have abandoned any sense of family values.

Because Bristol didn't have an abortion and/or was not disowned by her family.

 

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 17, 2009 06:33 AM (B+qrE)

40

but conservatives have abandoned any sense of family values.

Because Bristol didn't have an abortion and/or was not disowned by her family.

 

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 17, 2009 06:33 AM (B+qrE)

41 I'm expecting to see Powerglutes posting at AOSHQ any second now. This is just what we need... amusing ourselves over a failed VP candidate's daughter's behavior while the 21st century version of Italian Corporate Fascism is carefully erected in the Nation Below Canada. Also keep your eyes on Henry "Alien" Waxman as he closes down the First Amendment, de facto, through the administrative equivalent of the Fairness Doctrine. Mark Levin is right; they will impose it through increased FCC regulation, not legislation.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 17, 2009 06:35 AM (v6gTb)

42 I'm expecting to see Powerglutes posting at AOSHQ any second now. This is just what we need... amusing ourselves over a failed VP candidate's daughter's behavior while the 21st century version of Italian Corporate Fascism is carefully erected in the Nation Below Canada. Also keep your eyes on Henry "Alien" Waxman as he closes down the First Amendment, de facto, through the administrative equivalent of the Fairness Doctrine. Mark Levin is right; they will impose it through increased FCC regulation, not legislation.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 17, 2009 06:35 AM (v6gTb)

43

Gabe:

You should have waited until around 10 O'clock tonight (after lots of people were well lubricated) to post this.

Posted by: Tinian at February 17, 2009 06:36 AM (Ohodx)

44

Gabe:

You should have waited until around 10 O'clock tonight (after lots of people were well lubricated) to post this.

Posted by: Tinian at February 17, 2009 06:36 AM (Ohodx)

45

WTF does Debbie Schlussel think that Palin aught to do, throw her out in the street for the taxpayer to support?

 

That is just the kind of shit that gives conservatives a bad name.

 

As for her being brave for this interview, not so much. More like not making a good decision.

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2009 06:36 AM (f6os6)

46

WTF does Debbie Schlussel think that Palin aught to do, throw her out in the street for the taxpayer to support?

 

That is just the kind of shit that gives conservatives a bad name.

 

As for her being brave for this interview, not so much. More like not making a good decision.

Posted by: Vic at February 17, 2009 06:36 AM (f6os6)

47 Posted by: Warden at February 17, 2009 11:32 AM (KXbGD)

I would also remind Debbie of the queer leftist son and pornstar leftist daughter Palin failed to correctly parent.

Oh wait. That was Ronald Reagan. Quick, let's throw him under the bus too!!!

Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/tard at February 17, 2009 06:36 AM (IoUF1)

48 Posted by: Warden at February 17, 2009 11:32 AM (KXbGD)

I would also remind Debbie of the queer leftist son and pornstar leftist daughter Palin failed to correctly parent.

Oh wait. That was Ronald Reagan. Quick, let's throw him under the bus too!!!

Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/tard at February 17, 2009 06:36 AM (IoUF1)

49 WTF is it with you people ? That's why you TEACH abstinence ? You can't "teach" abstinence. Either you DO IT or you DON'T. And you cannot teach WHY you need to be abstinent in school because that's MORALITY. That is for parents and churches to teach - NOT schools. That could be one of the simplest concepts in the history of the world. Try and get it through your thick skulls.

Posted by: deadrody at February 17, 2009 06:53 AM (TxMs4)

50 WTF is it with you people ? That's why you TEACH abstinence ? You can't "teach" abstinence. Either you DO IT or you DON'T. And you cannot teach WHY you need to be abstinent in school because that's MORALITY. That is for parents and churches to teach - NOT schools. That could be one of the simplest concepts in the history of the world. Try and get it through your thick skulls.

Posted by: deadrody at February 17, 2009 06:53 AM (TxMs4)

51 Here's the question I want answered: why do the Palin's always seem more cheerful and happier than just about anyone I know?

Because they are young, healthy, active, have a loving and robust family life and lots of friends, have enduring values, and have careers and hobbies in a place that seems just a bit REMOVED from the insanity that goes on in the United States.  Kind of a nirvana, in that way.

Posted by: Alana at February 17, 2009 06:55 AM (JE2zV)

52 Here's the question I want answered: why do the Palin's always seem more cheerful and happier than just about anyone I know?

Because they are young, healthy, active, have a loving and robust family life and lots of friends, have enduring values, and have careers and hobbies in a place that seems just a bit REMOVED from the insanity that goes on in the United States.  Kind of a nirvana, in that way.

Posted by: Alana at February 17, 2009 06:55 AM (JE2zV)

53 FWIW, I spent three months in Alaska after college and it was the easiest time I've ever had getting laid of any place I've ever lived.  And that was in that was in the summer when you can actually go outside and aren't stuck indoors all the time. 


Posted by: Dudley Smith at February 17, 2009 06:58 AM (0S8Xt)

54 FWIW, I spent three months in Alaska after college and it was the easiest time I've ever had getting laid of any place I've ever lived.  And that was in that was in the summer when you can actually go outside and aren't stuck indoors all the time. 


Posted by: Dudley Smith at February 17, 2009 06:58 AM (0S8Xt)

55 Schlussel's problem is that she's not Ann Coulter, and she knows it. Apparently there was only so much intellect and compassion to be split among Detroit area pundits, and Karen DeCoster got it all.

Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at February 17, 2009 07:03 AM (arMF4)

56 Schlussel's problem is that she's not Ann Coulter, and she knows it. Apparently there was only so much intellect and compassion to be split among Detroit area pundits, and Karen DeCoster got it all.

Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at February 17, 2009 07:03 AM (arMF4)

57

"Because it’s more and more accepted."

Ah, the good old "but everyone else is doing it!" outlook. Classic teenagerese. I don't have much sympathy for Bristol, because speaking as someone who did in fact abstain from sex until marriage, it wasn't all that difficult. You just do it (or, rather, don't do it) and if your boyfriend doesn't like it, tough shit. I went through a vast number of so-called "men" who dumped me when they realized that despite their best efforts I wasn't going to put out, until I found my husband. Who, miracles of miracles, respected me all the more for my decision and convictions. Bristol can take her "it's more and more accepted" and kiss my butt. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of the Palins, but the girl came across as a total idiot in this interview. I'm not sure what she thought she'd gain by going on TV.

Frankly I think it's just another example of the media pushing sex on society -- virgins are freaks, whores are cool.  The Jonas Brothers suck (which, well, they do actually) while Paris Hilton is awesome (OK she's not, but she is a whore). The whole thing makes me as ill now as it did back in high school. When I was in school the abstience aspect of sex ed was comprised of one single line: "Abstinence is the only 100% effective way to not get pregnant or an STD. Now, let's talk about dental dams!" If they spent more time showing how it's NOT COOL to have sex and less time facilitating young people getting it on, maybe society's outlook on abstinence would change. 

Posted by: CMS2004 at February 17, 2009 07:03 AM (ALA0+)

58

"Because it’s more and more accepted."

Ah, the good old "but everyone else is doing it!" outlook. Classic teenagerese. I don't have much sympathy for Bristol, because speaking as someone who did in fact abstain from sex until marriage, it wasn't all that difficult. You just do it (or, rather, don't do it) and if your boyfriend doesn't like it, tough shit. I went through a vast number of so-called "men" who dumped me when they realized that despite their best efforts I wasn't going to put out, until I found my husband. Who, miracles of miracles, respected me all the more for my decision and convictions. Bristol can take her "it's more and more accepted" and kiss my butt. Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of the Palins, but the girl came across as a total idiot in this interview. I'm not sure what she thought she'd gain by going on TV.

Frankly I think it's just another example of the media pushing sex on society -- virgins are freaks, whores are cool.  The Jonas Brothers suck (which, well, they do actually) while Paris Hilton is awesome (OK she's not, but she is a whore). The whole thing makes me as ill now as it did back in high school. When I was in school the abstience aspect of sex ed was comprised of one single line: "Abstinence is the only 100% effective way to not get pregnant or an STD. Now, let's talk about dental dams!" If they spent more time showing how it's NOT COOL to have sex and less time facilitating young people getting it on, maybe society's outlook on abstinence would change. 

Posted by: CMS2004 at February 17, 2009 07:03 AM (ALA0+)

59

One more thing, Gabe:

If you're going to steal stories like this from Hot Air you might as well as steal their picture of red meat to post with them.

Posted by: Tinian at February 17, 2009 07:09 AM (Ohodx)

60 'enormously pretentious name'

OHHHH I get it, it's the kid's fault the parents fucked up!  You can't name the kid anything nice.  Try Cletus or Bubba, instead, you whore!

Fucking A.

Posted by: shill at February 17, 2009 07:10 AM (8jYMc)

61 How can a guy who works the oil fields and a fishing boat be Mr Mom?  Sorry, Debs, but you are one stooopid slunt.

Posted by: Tim at February 17, 2009 07:11 AM (3Wewy)

62 What really pisses me off is that Debbie's attitude is why ladies get abortions.  There is no shame in having that child.  It's a miracle and a great thing.  Kids have sex, and we need to tell them to stop, but this kind of harping on the kid's name being too pretentious or the family being terrible because of a mistake is really just a shaming.  And real babies are killed every day because of it.  I have no doubt that a couple more will die because of this single article.

Posted by: shill at February 17, 2009 07:13 AM (8jYMc)

63

Apparently Debbie has the same cartoonish view of Conservatism that the left does, i.e. should a conservative ever fail to live up to each and every standard - Zoom! Zap! Kabloohie! - you are voted off the island, you fucking hypocrit. 

It is bad enough when the left runs the Alinksy game on us.  It is worse when so-called Conservatives kick the ball into their own goal.

Oh, sort of off-topic and just because: Hey Katherine Parker, Fuck You.  (Yeah, I am nursing a grudge).

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 17, 2009 07:13 AM (wgLRl)

64 Now what do you expect her to say about abstinence?

If she was to say abstinence works, she would be seen as a walking, talking hypocrite.

Posted by: U.S.S. Fungus-Mungus at February 17, 2009 07:15 AM (NLtVk)

65 Just be happy Schlussel is not a parent. Forced marriages is so 18th century. Its not like Bristol doesn't have a wealth of support behind her.

...or has 14 kids by a turkey baster.

Posted by: Sammy316 at February 17, 2009 07:15 AM (p/gF/)

66 You people are finally seeing our side of things-great.  Throw those values you had and join us bashing conservatism, who needs values?  Poor little Bristol only needs 13 more to catch your collective wrath, who knew?  The president is starting to make an impact in your lives already, good. 

Posted by: KOS at February 17, 2009 07:15 AM (4oMRA)

67 Would people be happier if Bristol married her baby's daddy?  In the eyes of most Christians wouldn't that be 2, or almost a guaranteed 3, sins?  I can't imagine telling my daughter to stand before God and promise to love/live/respect someone forever if she didn't mean it.  I would never force my child to lie to God and family.

Posted by: outraged at February 17, 2009 07:18 AM (penCf)

68 I was unaware that compassion isn't part of conservatism (not mandated by the state through patriotic taxation...) - but I guess Debbie Schlussel would prefer Bristol to be...what?  Kicked out on the street?  Beaten with a large stick?  Stoned to death?

Posted by: Bald Ninja at February 17, 2009 07:18 AM (4pdbX)

69 I bet KOS is Schlussel.

Posted by: Manco at February 17, 2009 07:19 AM (vAnIE)

70 When I was 18, I was still saying things like "dude, I just  got got a stinky...smell my finger".

Schlussel or however you spell it....irrelevent.

Posted by: LtE113(Mike in Chicago) at February 17, 2009 07:20 AM (/L1AV)

71 "got a stinky"


sorry

Posted by: LtE113(Mike in Chicago) at February 17, 2009 07:20 AM (/L1AV)

72 An 18 year old mother stands a very good chance at becoming a 20 year old second time mother. She better get her act together. 

Posted by: Dan F at February 17, 2009 07:21 AM (OkMBM)

73 I normally like Debbie Schlussel but she's off her rocker on this one.  Bristol Palin isn't Sarah's puppet.  What does Debbie expect Sarah to do, point a hunting rifle at her daughter and force her to get married for the sake of conservative appearances?  Judge Sarah by what Sarah does.

Posted by: Crusty at February 17, 2009 07:22 AM (GvSpB)

74 CMS2004 at February 17, 2009 12:03 PM Amen to everything you said. If only there were more women with your outlook on things today. Great comment.

Posted by: Michael in MI at February 17, 2009 07:24 AM (s0Zrm)

75 Schlussel is, as always, a fucking troll.

Posted by: someone at February 17, 2009 07:28 AM (1wXl7)

76

Posted by: KOS at February 17, 2009 12:15 PM (4oMRA)


Last I checked, "poor little Bristol" isn't on welfare, didn't get inseminated at taxpayer expense, and lives with the father, who she intends to marry.  And I'm glad you Kos-skiddies are taking the side of unhinged wingnuts like Schlussel and Savage, because I sure as fuck don't want those fucking freaks on my side. Regarding the "abstinence only" thing: You presume to know a lot about how we think. You don't know shit.

Posted by: KOS at February 17, 2009 07:32 AM (IoUF1)

77 58 An 18 year old mother stands a very good chance at becoming a 20 year old second time mother. She better get her act together. 

Posted by: Dan F at February 17, 2009 12:21 PM (OkMBM)

She'll be married by that time, so who gives a fuck? She can have all the kids she wants.

Posted by: KOS at February 17, 2009 07:34 AM (IoUF1)

78 oops, forgot to change my name back.

Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/tard at February 17, 2009 07:35 AM (IoUF1)

79
I see we still have the same dead-enders here who don't know their asses from their elbows when it comes to politics.

YAY SARAH PALIN 2012!!! You're our only hope, Sarah-Won!!!

Don't speak ill of Sarah Palin!!! She's teh awesome!!!

And this is why we lose at the polls...

Posted by: Darling at February 17, 2009 07:37 AM (7AD1r)

80 I just want to see her naked.

Posted by: obscenely fat sweaty he-bitch AKA ClassicCon at February 17, 2009 07:41 AM (q1YBo)

81 Schlussel's right. A real conservative would've had Bristol's brothers behead the shameless little slut for dishonoring the family like that. What's this country coming to when parents continue to love their kids even when they disappoint?

Posted by: Schreiber at February 17, 2009 07:42 AM (Lq5nC)

82

Sexual urges are normal and the proper way to deal with them is marriage. But schools and parents are not preparing kids to be adults until they're 30 or 40. We have "kids" still living with their parents into their 20s and 30s, for crying out loud. If people are not mature enough to marry and start their own families until later in life, something has to give. And that something is sexual behavior unconnected to the stabilizing effects of marriage.

The Left's assault on education has destroyed the fabric of society. Kids used to learn more by the time they were 12 than they learn after grad school now. They were prepared to be responsible parents and citizens by their mid-teens, in most cases.

Posted by: The Band at February 17, 2009 07:42 AM (H2ikU)

83 Even Howard Stern thinks Debbie Schlussel is an annoying, obnoxious bitch. 

Howard Stern.

Imagine that.

Posted by: Kensington at February 17, 2009 07:42 AM (90mpl)

84 65
I see we still have the same dead-enders here who don't know their asses from their elbows when it comes to politics.

YAY SARAH PALIN 2012!!! You're our only hope, Sarah-Won!!!

Don't speak ill of Sarah Palin!!! She's teh awesome!!!

And this is why we lose at the polls...

Posted by: Darling at February 17, 2009 12:37 PM (7AD1r)

No, we lose at the polls because we spend like drunken sailors when we're in power, because we act like nice guys and don't take the fight to the enemy, and because we let the media define us and tell us how to run things.

Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/tard at February 17, 2009 07:42 AM (IoUF1)

85 Schussel is being captious as usual.

Posted by: Idler at February 17, 2009 07:42 AM (WsIop)

86 This is just what we need... amusing ourselves over a failed VP candidate's daughter's behavior while the 21st century version of Italian Corporate Fascism is carefully erected in the Nation Below Canada.

I'm multitasking

Posted by: toby928 at February 17, 2009 07:43 AM (PD1tk)

87 Hmm.  Well conservatism is a bigger tent than they think and is more complex and nuanced as well.  In fact, I am not even a conservative and still have many things in common politically than people who are.  There is no doubt in my mind that Palin is legitimately conservative even with here somewhat lenient attitude toward her own child's sexual adventures.  We would be a lot healthier as a nation if liberals would realize that even real conservatives are not the straw men that liberals imagine them to be.

Posted by: doug at February 17, 2009 07:43 AM (jCwj+)

88 Schlussel is, as always, a fucking troll.

Hey, don't insult me by comparing me to her.

Posted by: A Fucking Troll at February 17, 2009 07:43 AM (s8N54)

89

Is that cunt VanSustran trying to fuck over the Palin family by putting the little dumbass on? The fucking brat should shut the fuck up and just raise her little bastard kid and try to improve her descision making.  A ton of protestants already dislike this family and this gem won't put them on the voting roles.  I almost agree with that bitch Schlussel.  Stop the interviews any pol dipshit should know this.  She can't make her own way, so it's still mommies rules.  WTF is she thinking?

 

Posted by: shim at February 17, 2009 07:44 AM (4oMRA)

90 She'll be married by that time, so who gives a fuck? She can have all the kids she wants.

And she'll be a 22 year old divorcee mother of two.

The teenage daughter of a buddy of mine got pregnant at 16.  He did send her to his parents farm out in the country.  She got a job, had the baby, stayed out of trouble.  Until that is, the irresistible force of the Government dole got their claws into her.  Rent assistance, food stamps, etc etc.  Baby #2 came along at age 19.  No time for GED, let alone college.

Posted by: Dan F at February 17, 2009 07:46 AM (OkMBM)

91

Don't speak ill of Sarah Palin!!! She's teh awesome!!!

And this is why we lose at the polls...

According to you a few days ago, it was free trade.  Make up your mind.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 17, 2009 07:48 AM (B+qrE)

92

I don't care what your politics are, if you personally dislike the Palins you're a dick. 

Does that help?

Posted by: Eleven at February 17, 2009 07:48 AM (7DB+a)

93 And she'll be a 22 year old divorcee mother of two.

The teenage daughter of a buddy of mine got pregnant at 16.  He did send her to his parents farm out in the country.  She got a job, had the baby, stayed out of trouble.  Until that is, the irresistible force of the Government dole got their claws into her.  Rent assistance, food stamps, etc etc.  Baby #2 came along at age 19.  No time for GED, let alone college.

Posted by: Dan F at February 17, 2009 12:46 PM (OkMBM)

The fact that you know somebody who's daughter went down that road doesn't mean shit. Sarah Palin herself was preggers when she and Todd eloped.  Baby#5 just came along at age 44 and they're still married. 

I know of one other example: my parents. My mom got pregnant with me at 16 and they dropped out of school, got married, and my dad got a job. They're still married.



Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/tard at February 17, 2009 07:52 AM (IoUF1)

94 78

I don't care what your politics are, if you personally dislike the Palins you're a dick. 

Does that help?


Yes, yes it does.


Posted by: Sammy316 at February 17, 2009 07:52 AM (p/gF/)

95 Good to know Schlussel never, not even once, had premarital sex. She's got that going for her. Unfortunately, she's smearing Sarah Palin for her daughter's choice, for better or for worse, regardless what the parents did to guide her.

And what's with the Mr. Mom reference? Are we reliving the pre-50's era where a woman's place is in the home, barefoot and pregnant, while hubby works down at the mill?

I generally like Schlussel, but this ticks me off. What kind of envy she must have of Sarah Palin that would make her so hostile to the family.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 17, 2009 07:53 AM (sI5Ho)

96 I don't like the Palins

Posted by: dick at February 17, 2009 07:54 AM (4oMRA)

97 @75

Van Susteren is a vampire who feeds off of young women whether they be missing co-eds or and 18 year old girl who is dealing with the consequences of an unfortunate decision and continuing to display the sophistication and good judgment typical of 18 year olds by taking VanS up on her offer to "fight back" against the unbelievable and unfair personal attacks made on her in and by the national news media.

Sick.

Posted by: Deety at February 17, 2009 07:55 AM (1jglO)

98 My virgin teenage daughter and I talk a lot about abstinence and why it makes sense and will be so much better for her life to wait. 

But - if someday she comes to me in tears to tell me that I will be a grandmother in 9 months - I will do what good moms do - wrap her in my arms, wipe away the tears, and prepare for a new member in our crazy family.  Her getting married to the father will not be my first concern.

People make mistakes - some small, some big.  It's how they deal with them that makes all of the difference in the world and shows a persons true character.

Oh, and Debbie you ignorant slut!

Posted by: Cheri at February 17, 2009 07:56 AM (cz6lG)

99 C'mon, cut Ms. Schlussel some slack - she's from the Detroit metropolitan area, she's Jewish, and she ascribes to conservativism.  There's all manner of cognitive dissonance going on there.

Posted by: Jazz at February 17, 2009 07:56 AM (hnq5i)

100 What was Sarah Palin supposed to do?  Force her daughter to have an abortion?  Give the baby up for adoption? Force her to marry?  Force her out into the streets?  What exactly would make Sarah Palin a better conservative mom?  People need to jump back down off their high-horses.  Before anything else, Sarah Palin is a mother and now a grandmother. 

Posted by: Sue at February 17, 2009 07:58 AM (Jol77)

101 Why is it that the people who have the biggest problems with other people fucking, either;

A: Couldn't get fucked at the fuck shop with a garbage bag full of thousand dollar bills, or;

B: Have a whole closet full of skeletons from Tijuana dog and pony shows, pulling black on white trains on the midget football team or ran a fuck shop in some public restroom some where??

Posted by: FORGER at February 17, 2009 08:00 AM (nVRJS)

102 I will agree that I don't fawn over the Palins.  Golly jee shucks dawggonit...I just dont?  The faux-Mayberry act is getting old.   Dennis Miller 2012...

Posted by: obscenely fat sweaty he-bitch AKA ClassicCon at February 17, 2009 08:00 AM (q1YBo)

103 Bristol Palin has one foot in the government welfare office and the other on a banana peel.  What she does is up to her.  She is at risk of becoming what I mentioned in a previous message, not that she will.  The way she's talking, the more likely she is to become that statistic, a permanent addition to the underclass.




Posted by: Dan F at February 17, 2009 08:01 AM (OkMBM)

104 : Couldn't get fucked at the fuck shop with a garbage bag full of thousand dollar bills,


Forger - that's a keeper!

Posted by: Cheri at February 17, 2009 08:02 AM (cz6lG)

105 I really, REALLY don't understand the unhinged, frothing-at-the-mouth hatred of Sarah Palin and everything connected to her.

From the left, I can almost understand it; "unhinged" is their default state.  But from our side, too?

WTF?

And please don't give me the "she's a backwoods evangelistic simpleton" argument, either.  There's nothing---absolutely NOTHING--in her record to indicate that.

She's like the Rorschach test for the schism in modern America.  You either love her (like me) or loathe her with a white-hot passion.

Posted by: tsj017 at February 17, 2009 08:03 AM (TBwnU)

106 So Deety, you think this is a good idea?  Sarah, who is calling all her daughters shot, allowing the press another bite at the Palin apple is a dumb idea.  It doesn't matter what Little Palin says, the shows are going to have a field day.  This will not help the Palin cause.  The left hate them and the right is split.  This kid should shut the hell up and blend into the couch.  This is a reality tv show and Com central will have weeks to play b/c they won't mock O.

Posted by: shim at February 17, 2009 08:03 AM (4oMRA)

107

"Mr. Mom" is now contrary to conservatism, according to Schlussel?

I don't think we're talking about the same "conservatism".

Posted by: Fred at February 17, 2009 08:04 AM (kOVZm)

108
According to you a few days ago, it was free trade.

No, it was not free trade, so to speak. It was the greed and pilferage of the U.S. economy being carried out under the guise of free trade.

Keep on defending the corporations, though; they'll thank you for it. Oh, wait, that's right, they won't because they don't give a shit about you and will cozy up to Obama and the Democrats every chance they get.

Posted by: Darling at February 17, 2009 08:08 AM (7AD1r)

109 #90 Cheri,

Please fell free to take that and apply as needed....

Posted by: FORGER at February 17, 2009 08:08 AM (nVRJS)

110 Mike Church having Debbie Schlussel on for fucking MOVIE REVIEWS is one of the few things I can't stand about his show. I hate that deranged bitch.

Posted by: SGT Dan at February 17, 2009 08:10 AM (EsBr1)

111 Shim,

What leads you to believe that Sarah Palin is exercising some sort of sharia type total control of her 18 yr. old daughter's actions?  Or do you fault the Governor for not doing so?  Is it possible that members of the Palin family have other priorities and or motivations than a laser like focus on your "Palin cause"( whatever the hell that is)?

Posted by: Deety at February 17, 2009 08:12 AM (1jglO)

112

Thread winner @ 84!

 

Posted by: kidney at February 17, 2009 08:12 AM (FgUFX)

113 And what's up with Gov. Palin?? 

Surely she knows anything she, her family, the mailman/garbageman/family pet says will be used by the left/MSM in an attempt to scuttle any future run in national politics??

AND on Scarface VonGossipcolumn's show??? 

Posted by: FORGER at February 17, 2009 08:14 AM (nVRJS)

114

Debbie Schlussel is nuttier than a shit house rat. And has the same personality.

She is the only conservative "pundit" - quotes necessary - who I universally disavow. She's an embarrassment to herself and to conservatism.

She like our version of Rosie O' Donnell, but less talented, less intelligent, and less attractive.

Posted by: Prof B at February 17, 2009 08:14 AM (5RmG1)

115
And we lose at the polls for many reasons. One of the reasons is that we are moral cowards.

Sarah Palin is a great person. But her job as a mom was to get her kid through high school without getting pregnant and at least instill some values in her kid so she's not out fucking her boyfriend. She failed. Furthermore, I watched the interview lastnight and while Bristol seems like a nice kid, an average teen, she's a bubblehead.

Now if we point these obvious facts out, the moral cowards come out in full force and preach to us that we "should not judge" or offer wisdom such as "shit happens."

Yeah, Schlussel and Savage and I are the problem. Let's prop up Sarah Palin and hang our hopes on her for 2012. Good thinking. We ought to win Alaska's electoral votes, (maybe), with that plan.

Posted by: Darling at February 17, 2009 08:15 AM (7AD1r)

116

I commented in Ed's thread over at HotAir. I simply could not stand Deb's BS any longer.

Here's the last comment I made to her. I hope it adds to her enjoyment of the issue:

<blockquote>Pardon me but....With all due respect - Why not lead by example? How's about YOU start discussing YOUR private life in front of the world, allowing them to pick you apart?


How's about we see how YOU take it when someone with a corn-cob up their rear, looking down their nose at you, chides you for the mistakes YOU'VE made in YOUR life? Chides YOU for being imperfect? Chides you for being human?

I don't know that much about you ma'am, but I do know that most of the time I agree with you when it comes to political matters. THIS however, isn't a political matter. It is a matter of morality, and morality (like it or not) is most often times based on one's own perception of, or belief in, religious doctrine. NEWSFLASH: That means it may not be YOUR doctrine they observe.

It should be understood that when it comes to things like this,...When a person's own moral stances are based on their own religious beliefs...."Freedom of ONE religion" isn't what the document says. It says "Freedom OF religion".

Yeah yeah...I know...That applies to the government establishing a religion of it's own. But, if we as citizens don't play by the same constitutional rules, then we really aren't a nation where there is such a thing as "Freedom OF religion".

Just from my own perspective on this, it helps to remember that what the writers of the Bible translated as "faith" is most often from the Greek "pistis," which much more closely approximates "trust". Trust is something that one gives of one's own accord, for reasons generally known only to oneself, and therefore should not be challenged. That being said, I'm sure Bristol may have (or will, one day) speak with her Savior about her mistakes. That's what HE is there for. And as I recall, He didn't hang on that cross and assign "deputy" duty to anyone else, when it came to making one of His children answer for their mistakes.

I could no more engage in an online hissy-fit, pretending to over-look my own mistakes faults and failures in life, than I can lay down for someone doing such a thing to the degree you have.

In short - Bristol isn't your punching bag. Leave the girl alone. Using her to make political points, or to illustrate your own version of what the typical American family should look and act like, is a cheap shot...And a waste of good bandwidth.</blockquote>

 

Posted by: Talismen at February 17, 2009 08:16 AM (hosSA)

117 Debbie Schlussel, you ignorant slut ...

Posted by: Dan Akroyd at February 17, 2009 08:19 AM (s8N54)

118

@101  As was already said  --  by that logic Reagan was a bad candidate.

His kids were a mess. 

Posted by: Eleven at February 17, 2009 08:20 AM (7DB+a)

119

"And what's with the Mr. Mom reference? Are we reliving the pre-50's era where a woman's place is in the home, barefoot and pregnant, while hubby works down at the mill?"

 

That's apparently the case. I belong to a mom's forum and you would not believe the number of posts screaming "Sarah Palin should be at home with her kids! Someone with children shouldn't have that stressful a job!" I'm far from a feminist (I shave my armpits, for one) but even I was astounded by such thinking.

 

And Cheri (#84): keep up the good work, I hope I'm as level-headed when my child(ren) are teens.

Posted by: CMS2004 at February 17, 2009 08:24 AM (ALA0+)

120 I would think after this episode, the Sarah P would hover a tad more, no?  The 'Palin cause' I think, would be to continue being elected to some office.  That seems to be why she didn't fade away from lower 48 news.  I could give a shit about her daughter or her situation, but I certainly don't want dem rule because high profile pubs make mis-steps.  I fuckin hate democrats and their policies.  I just believe that the kid being on Van Suckrens show is tard and Sarah could say, "you're not doing it, go to your fucking room."

Posted by: shim at February 17, 2009 08:25 AM (4oMRA)

121 Posted by: Talismen at February 17, 2009 01:16 PM (hosSA)

Good job, Talismen.  She really is a vicious cunt. 

Posted by: thirteen28 at February 17, 2009 08:27 AM (s8N54)

122 Debbie Schlussel is an idiot.  That's pretty much all that needs to be discussed concerning her.

Posted by: dan-O at February 17, 2009 08:29 AM (teb/C)

123 @Darling #101

Actually, you ARE the problem.  Your insistence on having the government intrude in personal business is unacceptable in a party that tries to sell itself as conservative.

There are for more pressing moral and ethical issues to be dealt with in this country than what an 18 year old is doing with her reproductive tract.

Posted by: brian at February 17, 2009 08:31 AM (cPWTF)

124 Posted by: Darling at February 17, 2009 01:15 PM (7AD1r)

No, we are NOT moral cowards. Only an idiot could fail to understand that even under the best of circumstances, shit happens.

By your standards, Reagan was a failure as a parent (and by your logic, as a leader) because he raised one kid who was a homo and another who posed nude in Playboy.

Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/tard at February 17, 2009 08:32 AM (IoUF1)

125 who enabled this baby mamahood and continues to put a roof over it So...Sarah should kick Bristol and her grandchild to the curb? that's not the family values I knew.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at February 17, 2009 08:33 AM (1hM1d)

126 Debbie Schlussel can suck the barbed cock of Satan.
What a fucking bitch.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at February 17, 2009 08:37 AM (szcvf)

127

@ thirteen28 # 107

Thanks.

I simply cannot stand it when someone who is conservative and ALSO self-righteous happens to believe that if other conservatives don't play the game their way in every respect, they aren't worth the powder to blow them to hell.

I'm sick of that bile.

It's the reason why I'll never vote for Huckabee.
I want someone who is POLITICALLY conservative, who respects POLITICALLY conservative core beliefs, and who has THEIR OWN set of morals and respects MY right to have MY own morals as well. Their actions give clues to their own morality...and I don't need an online hissy-fit from Deb Schlussel to judge, (using my own beliefs), someone's morality.

Posted by: Talismen at February 17, 2009 08:38 AM (hosSA)

128 The Palins represent a huge chunk of evangelical conservatism in all its glory and contradiction.  Moral ambiguity has clearly crept into evangelicalism with a strong dose of hypocrisy.  That said, evangelicals are, along with Mormons and JW's, the most likely of people to turn to God and their faith when facing decisions, according to Pew.

At any rate, Sarah Palin's a good conservative on many, many issues:  environment, drilling, running a business, guns, life, and, best of all, living out the Horatio Alger story.

Posted by: Max at February 17, 2009 08:38 AM (oSBvm)

129

This has NOTHING to do with Bristol having a kid out-of-wedlock. There are a bunch of unhinged wingnut douchebags like Michael Savage, Debbie Schlussel, Peggy Noonan, etc., who are very, very bitter that Romney wasn't chosen as VP, and they hate Palin like poison. They can get the fuck out of conservative politics and take their fail with them as far as I'm concerned.

 

Yep. Now I may just be a Bible-believin', gun-ownin', NASCAR watchin', Sarah-lovin' hick, but I'm gonna make me a bold prediction, so listen up:

Sarah will be the Republican nominee in 2012, and these varmints will convince Romney to run as a 3rd candidate just to kneecap her.

Posted by: Ernest T. Bass at February 17, 2009 08:40 AM (7dXKM)

130 And we lose at the polls for many reasons. One of the reasons is that we are moral cowards.

Yeah. It takes a moral giant to take a nasty and gratuitous shot at the name someone chooses for their kid.

Awesome.

You're the best Darling. A tower of intellect. I think I speak for everyone when I say how much we value your input around here.

Posted by: Warden at February 17, 2009 08:42 AM (KXbGD)

131 CMS2004 @ 105 - Thanks, sometimes I long for the days when they were toddlers and we could roll around on the floor and act silly.  Sigh.

Your comments on moms trashing the fact that Sarah should have stayed home with her kids is interesting 'cuz I've heard that as well.  What's funny is that I didn't hear the same remarks about Pelosi, Clinton, Boxer, etc. when they were younger and raising kids.

Posted by: Cheri at February 17, 2009 08:43 AM (cz6lG)

132 @114  How is Palin a hypocrite?  I just don't see it.  That a strawman.

Posted by: Eleven at February 17, 2009 08:43 AM (7DB+a)

133 What is hypocritcal about conservatives having imperfect families?  That's horseshit.

Posted by: Eleven at February 17, 2009 08:45 AM (7DB+a)

134

68: the band Sexual urges are normal and the proper way to deal with them is marriage. But schools and parents are not preparing kids to be adults until they're 30 or 40. We have "kids" still living with their parents into their 20s and 30s, for crying out loud.

Bingo.

The devil is in the details.

Bristol is young yet, and has probably been taught to be polite to her elders. So it's understandable that she wouldn't have known that the only correct answer to this kind of question is always (and better said in a polite tone) "Ma'am? - That's none of your damn business."

Nor mine.

Nor yours.

 

Posted by: davis,br at February 17, 2009 08:47 AM (OJAxK)

135 Eleven,

Real non-hypocritical conservative have the moral courage to call single moms low class sluts.

You do not.

You are why we lose at the polls.

Posted by: Warden at February 17, 2009 08:49 AM (KXbGD)

136 Posted by: Ernest T. Bass at February 17, 2009 01:40 PM (7dXKM)

You're probably right.

I don't get their fascination with Mitt anyway, other than a bunch of nutty women and one re-closeted self-hating homo (Savage) like his shiny hair and secretly want his cock.  I've got nothing against the guy, and he certainly would have been better than McCain or Huckabee, but he never did anything remotely conservative as governor. He signed a gun cuntrol bill, gave MA socialized medicine with taxpayer subsidized abortions, promised to be better than Ted Kennedy on gay rights, contributed to Planned Parenthood or NARAL or some other pro-choice organizations, and allowed Boston to function as a sanctuary city. Maybe his conversions were genuine, but Palin has actually governed as a pretty solid (though not perfect) conservative.


Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/tard at February 17, 2009 08:50 AM (IoUF1)

137 Forger @ #87,

I prefer the following:

She couldn't get laid in a monkey whore house with a pocket full of bananas.

You're welcome.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at February 17, 2009 08:53 AM (szcvf)

138 121 Eleven,

Real non-hypocritical conservative have the moral courage to call single moms low class sluts.

You do not.

You are why we lose at the polls.

Posted by: Warden at February 17, 2009 01:49 PM (KXbGD)

No, real non-hypocritical conservatives have the moral courage to realize that once the baby is born, the time for idiot rhetoric like yours is over. We realize that if we call them low-class sluts more girls who get knocked up will have abortions. So fuck you. Go choke on a cock.

Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/tard at February 17, 2009 08:54 AM (IoUF1)

139 And for some of you dummies around here, yes I believe that single motherhood is NOT the best circumstance.

No, it shouldn't be encouraged or glorified.

But I don't see how making deeply personal attacks on the 18 year old daughter of a politician accomplishes anything except to make the person making the attack look like an unhinged jackass.

I don't know what goes on in that family, nor do I know why Bristol hasn't married the father of her baby. I have no idea. And neither does anyone else who isn't close to the situation.

So, how about we just say, "Well, that's not the best outcome. We believe that strong marriages are the cornerstone of a healthy society" and leave it at that?


Posted by: Warden at February 17, 2009 08:55 AM (KXbGD)

140 Warden was being ironic dirty bastard.

Posted by: Eleven at February 17, 2009 08:55 AM (7DB+a)

141 What term would Warden use to describe the young men who take advantage of the young ladies?

Probably "stud", I'm thinking.

Mobies.

Posted by: brian at February 17, 2009 08:56 AM (cPWTF)

142 So fuck you. Go choke on a cock.

Hey ol-dirty. Check your sarcasm meter, chief. It should have been pegging on the post you were responding to.

Posted by: Warden at February 17, 2009 08:57 AM (KXbGD)

143 Eat shit, brian.

Moby. Ha!

I've got the keys to the place, you fucking tard.


Posted by: Warden at February 17, 2009 08:58 AM (KXbGD)

144

Posted by: Eleven at February 17, 2009 01:55 PM (7DB+a)


Posted by: Warden at February 17, 2009 01:57 PM (KXbGD)

Dammit, your right. I better get the sarc-ometer fixed. Sorry!

Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/tard at February 17, 2009 08:58 AM (IoUF1)

145 Sorry, my sarcasm detector's burned out.

Oh, and we'll all be eating shit after jug-ears gets through with us.  I'll consider you offer an early practice run.

Posted by: brian at February 17, 2009 08:58 AM (cPWTF)

146 You need to comment more Warden  --  teh new guys don't know you.

Posted by: Eleven at February 17, 2009 08:58 AM (7DB+a)

147 Jesus' mother wasn't married when she got pregnant either. Why didn't God wait until she was married to Joseph? I guess God doesn't believe in marriage.

Posted by: rockmom at February 17, 2009 08:59 AM (xOEA9)

148 Huh, Who died and made the unmarried, childless Schlussel the decider of morality? I generally think she is annoying, but this just pisses me off. My daughter, age 20, and her boyfriend were separated by my hubby and I and his parents because we were worried they were getting too involved. He was sent to a private military school, my daughter I sent 2 states away to a 30 thou a year girl's boarding school. We wanted them to wait. Guess what? They were both raised in 2 parent homes, went to church, taught abstinence. They were so determined to be together, they borrowed phones they weren't supposed to have, and found someone to pick each of them up. They got pregnant on purpose. Why? Because they wanted to be together and married. So, by doing all I thought i could do, I actually probably sped up the process. Maybe people like Debs can experience teenagers in this day and age first, because she has no clue. My daughter has been married 3 years now. She has a second baby who just turned 1. She goes to college pt every other semester. She works pt at a gym, as a trainer, so she can bring her kids. Her hubby has a decent job, and they don't ask for help from anyone. Do I wish she hadn't done it? Yes, everyday. So, according to Debs, though, I wasn't proactive enough?

Posted by: di butler at February 17, 2009 09:02 AM (qPIRP)

149 Apologies, brian.

I didn't realize you were replying to my sarcastic post.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Posted by: Warden at February 17, 2009 09:04 AM (KXbGD)

150 Oh yeah, I forgot, Deb, bite me.

Posted by: di butler at February 17, 2009 09:04 AM (qPIRP)

151

They're Christians. They believe in forgiveness.

Jesus said, "Go, and sin no more."  He expected that many wouldn't be able to keep away from sinning.

He was a pragmatist who taught the ideal.

Go figure!

Posted by: Angelina Jollies at February 17, 2009 09:04 AM (GkYyh)

152 di butler: "Oh yeah, I forgot, Deb, bite me."

She can't. It would conflict with her abstinence.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 17, 2009 09:07 AM (sI5Ho)

153 What term would Warden use to describe the young men who take advantage of the young ladies?

Posted by: brian at February 17, 2009 01:56 PM (cPWTF

Bill Clinton?

Posted by: polynikes at February 17, 2009 09:07 AM (m2CN7)

154 @Warden #135

No problem.  Sarcasm's often hard to detect, especially when you don't recognize the name.

Posted by: brian at February 17, 2009 09:07 AM (cPWTF)

155 I find it insulting calling Todd a "Mr. Mom" and saying it's anti-conservative. It's sexist to assume that only a woman can/should stay home to take care of kids.  Family values means one parent goes out to support the family and one parent supports the family by staying home.  You don't need certain anatomical parts to do one or the other. 

Posted by: Suzy at February 17, 2009 09:07 AM (p4IN8)

156

Schlussel is way off.   A parents values an teachings only go so far in affecting a childs behavior.

Beleive me, I don't want my teenage daughter to get pregnant or get an STD.   I try to scare her with disease and pregnancy stats.  I warn her of the emotional turmoil that comes with sex.  I tell her that her relationships will be stronger and more stable if she waits until after high school.  I tell her that abstinence is the only way to guarantee no STD's and no pregnancies.   But at the end of the day, I have to let her life her life, to have social expericences with her peers, including dating.   I can only hope that the values and information I tried to impart on her will help her resist the soical and physiological pressures she has to be sexually active.

In no way to I find Governor Palin to be a hyppocrite or less of a conservative because her daughter got pregnant.

 

 

Posted by: California Red at February 17, 2009 09:08 AM (7uWb8)

157

ol-dirty-/b/tard at February 17, 2009 01:50 PM (IoUF1)

You don't worrry too much about accuracy when you try to make a point do you?

Posted by: polynikes at February 17, 2009 09:11 AM (m2CN7)

158 "She like our version of Rosie O' Donnell, but less talented, less intelligent, and less attractive."

LESS ATTRACTIVE???

Holy shitballs, Batman!!!

Posted by: LtE113(Mike in Chicago) at February 17, 2009 09:13 AM (/L1AV)

159 CMS2004 and SuzyWRT "Mr. Mom":

You know it's ironic that of all people, Schlussel would take a position that's closer to radical Islam than to Western decadence. The civilized world has decided that men and women can and are able to work towards the family unit to try and sustain it without the rigidity of gender bias above every other consideration. The Taliban, for example, has not decided that and that women should be subservient... i.e. no Mr. Moms.

How's that working out for Thirteenth century progressives?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 17, 2009 09:16 AM (sI5Ho)

160

Posted by: polynikes at February 17, 2009 02:11 PM (m2CN7)


I like to throw the Rom-Bots' Palin-hating screeds right back in their faces.

Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/tard at February 17, 2009 09:16 AM (IoUF1)

161 Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 17, 2009 02:16 PM (sI5Ho)

Excellent point. It could be that Schlussel and her ilk are religious fascists themselves and don't like the competition from Islam. Sort of like nazism and communism.

Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/tard at February 17, 2009 09:19 AM (IoUF1)

162 what a huge pile of shit over nothing. It was a 40 second clip in which she obviously didn't want to talk about the subject and quite possibly didn't even say what she really wanted to say. It wasn't a fucking dissertation. that this shit makes the news is unbelievable.

Posted by: Johnny at February 17, 2009 09:23 AM (xVKXy)

163 I love all the conservatives that are now so progressive on the subject of teen-pregnancy.   All I care is that she hurry up and release a sex-tape.  Isn't that usually the next step?

Posted by: obscenely fat sweaty he-bitch AKA ClassicCon at February 17, 2009 09:24 AM (q1YBo)

164

#127: I believe the current term for the young fucker is "Baby Daddy".

We used to call them deadbeat lowlife bastard breeders, but, hey, nobody's judging anymore, so what the hell. Hope the Hockey scholorship works out for him 'cause he doesn't seem to want to man up to the situation.

Bristol is stupid or a tramp, probably both, so there it is, I'd call my daughter the same in such a situation.

Yes, I'm an intolerant asshole, but they've got to show some responsiblity up there between the drugs and the screwing before they start asking for my vote, regardless of thier "positions on the issues".

Posted by: Spartan Fan at February 17, 2009 09:25 AM (7365r)

165 I'm not "progressive" on the issue.  I simply don't give a shit.  If the girl isn't living under my roof or off of my tax dollars, it doesn't affect me.

In other words, I mind my own business when it comes to other people's children.

Posted by: brian at February 17, 2009 09:26 AM (cPWTF)

166

Yes, I'm an intolerant asshole, but they've got to show some responsiblity up there between the drugs and the screwing before they start asking for my vote, regardless of thier "positions on the issues".

Posted by: Spartan Fan at February 17, 2009 02:25 PM (7365r)

Nice spelling faggot.  Now go wash your mouth out. With a revolver.

Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/tard at February 17, 2009 09:32 AM (IoUF1)

167 "117 CMS2004 @ 105 - Thanks, sometimes I long for the days when they were toddlers and we could roll around on the floor and act silly.  Sigh.

Your comments on moms trashing the fact that Sarah should have stayed home with her kids is interesting 'cuz I've heard that as well.  What's funny is that I didn't hear the same remarks about Pelosi, Clinton, Boxer, etc. when they were younger and raising kids.

Posted by: Cheri at February 17, 2009 01:43 PM (cz6lG)"

Perhaps the nation needs to have a public conversation about the fact that you need two paychecks to live decently in many parts of this country.  Apparently, the one thing that Palin and Pelosi have in common is that they are both parents to five children.

As regards, Bristol Palin.    Well we just saw how well raised she actually is.    She is her own woman, with her own thoughts and ideas and she is an adult.  Isn't it obvious that she loves her mother and father but is also a woman in her own right, with philosophies which may disagree with the philosophies of her parents.  Maybe I'm wrong but aren't your parents supposed to pass on things like faith but also arean't they supposed to help you develop a conscience and critical thinking skills?  And aren't your parents supposed to get across to you the fact that they love you nconditionally, just because you are you?

Maybe Bristol Palin is aiming for a marriage of longstanding with lots of love like her parents and regis and joy Philbin and, dare I say it, the Obamas?  Maybe she and the guy are  not yet sure, whether they share a child or not.   So maybe people will look back at this someday and say how mature their decisions actually were.

Posted by: concerned2 at February 17, 2009 09:40 AM (zplc6)

168

If Debbie Schlussel has never been married at 40+, then she has never had sex, right?  Because otherwise she isn't much of a conservative.

 

Posted by: Bob from Ohio at February 17, 2009 09:51 AM (s6nMp)

169

Let's see, so far Darling says conservatives lose elections because we support free trade and don't have the courage to call Bristol Palin a slut.

That's a hell of a platform there.  What's next?  Our blindess to the mine shaft gap?

P.S.:  Tell us the one again about the U.S. not manufacturing anything except for the trillion and a half dollars worth of stuff that we do.  I liked that one.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 17, 2009 10:04 AM (B+qrE)

170

Yes, Dan F, we get it.  You have a single anecdote about some female the rest of us don't know, and therefore all females, including ones with large familial support systems, who have a baby at eighteen, not sixteen years of age will of course by God's will become welfare-sucking multiple birth teen mothers. 

Idiot.

Posted by: ushie at February 17, 2009 10:05 AM (GkYyh)

171 Hey, who called a flame war and didn't invite everyone?

Some fine insults in here, salute!

Posted by: Jay in Ames at February 17, 2009 10:11 AM (UEEex)

172

Darling wrote: "Sarah Palin is a great person. But her job as a mom was to get her kid through high school without getting pregnant and at least instill some values in her kid so she's not out fucking her boyfriend. She failed. Furthermore, I watched the interview lastnight and while Bristol seems like a nice kid, an average teen, she's a bubblehead.

Now if we point these obvious facts out, the moral cowards come out in full force and preach to us that we "should not judge" or offer wisdom such as "shit happens.""

And my position as a conservative is that we all mind our own goddamn business and leave the "judging" up to God.  Since when is it conservative to run around and point fingers?  I would have thought it was more conservative to mind the actual business of the country than to mind the business of any other person.

Posted by: ushie at February 17, 2009 10:13 AM (GkYyh)

173 ( Hindsight ) I hope the other daughter is on the pill until after she gets married! ...just saying...

Posted by: JoeT at February 17, 2009 10:19 AM (prdCq)

174

My daughter, age 20, and her boyfriend were separated by my hubby and I and his parents because we were worried they were getting too involved. He was sent to a private military school, my daughter I sent 2 states away to a 30 thou a year girl's boarding school. We wanted them to wait.

This is my point from earlier. Here's a fucking clue: why not just let them marry? She was 20 FUCKING YEARS OLD, not a child. You were the problem here.

I love all the conservatives that are now so progressive on the subject of teen-pregnancy.

First, I don't see anything in this thread that hasn't been accepted by Conservatives as long as I've been paying attention. Your concept of Conservative philosophy is nothing but stereotypes and straw-men. Second, not crying for Palin's head on a stick is hardly the same as promoting single-parent families as the ideal. I don't know why you idiot Leftists are so blind on things like this. If people think single-parent families and the welfare state are socially destructive, then they "hate" single parents and the poor. Take your excluded middle fallacy and shove it.

Posted by: The Band at February 17, 2009 10:21 AM (H2ikU)

175 Gosh, Spartan Fan, I didn't realize Bristol and Levi were running for public office?  Which one(s)? 

Posted by: ushie at February 17, 2009 10:24 AM (GkYyh)

176

Obscenely yadda yadda wrote: "All I care is that she hurry up and release a sex-tape.  Isn't that usually the next step?"

It would be if she were Paris Hilton.  Who hasn't had a baby.  Or Kim Kardashian.  Ditto.  What in the hell is the matter with you?

Posted by: ushie at February 17, 2009 10:27 AM (GkYyh)

177 Schlussel is right about the problematic family.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 17, 2009 10:29 AM (PQY7w)

178 ol-dirty-/b/tard: "...It could be that Schlussel and her ilk are religious fascists themselves and don't like the competition from Islam..."

Who knows. She's off the beam with her animosity towards this "template" (her word) conservative family. I never understood her to be a radical, but the bees in her bonnet have stung her lower cortex. Maybe the venom will wear off when Palin enters the Oval Office.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at February 17, 2009 10:33 AM (sI5Ho)

179 163 Schlussel is right about the problematic family.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 17, 2009 03:29 PM (PQY7w)

Schlussel is a mildly retarded attention whore and an unhinged wingnut. She is right about NOTHING.

Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/tard at February 17, 2009 10:37 AM (IoUF1)

180 I'd like to see 7-year old Piper Palin just grab the microphone away from a reporter one of these days and say "Hey!  Fuck you!  Go tend to your bastard president and leave my family alone, or I'll smack you down like Trig's hair."

Posted by: Crusty at February 17, 2009 10:39 AM (GvSpB)

181

concerned2@ #153: Perhaps the nation needs to have a public conversation about the fact that you need two paychecks to live decently in many parts of this country.

Precisely why I don't understand all this hate towards young adults who are still living with their parents in their 20s. 

Posted by: soulpile at February 17, 2009 10:40 AM (gH+Hj)

182 It is my opinion that Debbie Schlussel is in dire need of a high colonic and a good swift boot into her mouth.

Debbie is like Kathleen Parker and David Frum, someone who should be shunned.

Posted by: Pipe Barackage at February 17, 2009 11:01 AM (Z9IOH)

183 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mHvGXVshDOA&feature=related

There's Debbie dearest getting owned by Bill Maher.  What an idiot

Posted by: ChicagoNonsense at February 17, 2009 11:18 AM (ooLTI)

184

Family values is a wonderful thing, but the religious right's closed-minded insistence that anyone who fails to live up to some mythic standard should be held up as an object of derision is why I left the GOP and became a Libertarian after my divorce.

Ms. Schlussel is doing little to lure me back.

Posted by: libertarianjim at February 17, 2009 11:23 AM (1Iiqg)

185

I watched some of the interview, and I have to say that if Bristol had been my kid, I would have strongly recommended she not do that interview.  She's a damned teenager, and like most teenagers, she is indeed a bubblehead and she came across as one.  On the other hand, she is also 18, so ultimately it is her call.

And it does not matter how good an upbringing you give your kid.  Sometimes, in those inevitable moments of passion, kids make mistakes.  Even kids from the best of families. 

Posted by: Cave Bear at February 17, 2009 11:30 AM (EKMxC)

186

So only married people should have sex. I didn't realize.

Honestly I always thought it was just limited to "adults of the same species." And for some of the morons around here, the latter part might be flexible.

 

Posted by: Auspex at February 17, 2009 11:31 AM (Uruu0)

187 Everyone is basing their argument on a 30 second clip of this interview.

Bristol told Greta repeatedly that teens should "wait ten years" until they were married, had an education, a home of their own, and a career. She could not have been clearer on this point. She said it more than once. Obviously she does not believe in single motherhood even though she finds herself in that position.

 

When Gov. Palin joined the interview, she made it clear that situations like this called for families to come together and not expect that government would take care of the young mother. She also couldn't have been clearer on this point. She said quite explicitly that this is the responsibility of families and not the government.

 

Gov. Palin also suggested that Bristol's story is a good indication of how it can happen to anyone's kid. In other words, like most parents, she thought this would never happen to her daughter because her daughter was a good student and a good athlete and wasn't a partier. But it happened. That's why we have so many abortions. Most young women would have aborted. Bristol didn't. She didn't kill the problem, she came up with a "game plan" (her words) and dealt grew up fast.

 

Yes, both Bristol and Gov. Palin said that abstinence is the ideal, and Gov. Palin (and her daughter too apparently) has never been against contraceptives being taught alongside abstinence; but if a kid gets pregnant, you have to deal with the situation, and the Palins made it clear that they are dealing with it as a family -- all pitching in together and not expecting any hand-outs from the public. That strikes me as a conservative response to a bad situation.

 

People are reading all sorts of things into this family's situation. Each family is unique. Each situation is unique. My attitude is that teenage mothers should consider adoption first and foremost because teenage mothers don't typically marry the baby's father, and as Ann Coulter so thoroughly documented, kids raised by single mothers are at greater risk for falling into every social ill imaginable. But how difficult and awkward would it be for the daughter of the vice presidential candidate (or even the daughter of the governor of Alaska) to put her baby up for adoption? How long to you think the baby's identity would remain a secret?

Posted by: Ramrocks at February 17, 2009 11:35 AM (dU7r2)

188 I'd like to see 7-year old Piper Palin just grab the microphone away from a reporter one of these days and say "Hey!  Fuck you!  Go tend to your bastard president and leave my family alone, or I'll smack you down like Trig's hair." posted by Crusty


Crusty I like how your mind works!   LOL

Posted by: Cheri at February 17, 2009 11:38 AM (cz6lG)

189

Ms. Schlussel is doing little to lure me back.

Posted by: libertarianjim at February 17, 2009 04:23 PM (1Iiqg)

Ms. Schlussel and her ilk are NOT representative of normative conservatism.

Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/tard at February 17, 2009 11:40 AM (IoUF1)

190 It was a 40 second clip in which she obviously didn't want to talk about the subject and quite possibly didn't even say what she really wanted to say.

Word.  I could say I was stupid and in love and drunk, which is probably close to the truth here, but then my ego is scarred by many worse things and don't embarrass easily anymore.  Kids, not so much.

Posted by: toby928 at February 17, 2009 11:43 AM (PD1tk)

191 Posted by: ChicagoNonsense at February 17, 2009 04:18 PM (ooLTI)

Easy to see why abstinence comes so easy to her.  God dayum!  She couldn't get laid in a maximum security prison.

Posted by: thirteen28 at February 17, 2009 11:47 AM (s8N54)

192

Apparently Debbie has the same cartoonish view of Conservatism that the left does, i.e. should a conservative ever fail to live up to each and every standard - Zoom! Zap! Kabloohie! - you are voted off the island, you fucking hypocrit. 

It is bad enough when the left runs the Alinksy game on us.  It is worse when so-called Conservatives kick the ball into their own goal.

Oh, sort of off-topic and just because: Hey Katherine Parker, Fuck You.  (Yeah, I am nursing a grudge).

Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at February 17, 2009 11:47 AM (wgLRl)

193

#170 - Family values is a wonderful thing, but the religious right's closed-minded insistence that anyone who fails to live up to some mythic standard should be held up as an object of derision is why I left the GOP and became a Libertarian after my divorce.

Well done. Just invoke a caricature of conservatives (served up by the left and your beloved libertarians) as a statement of fact. Did you read any of the comments above? Who the fuck is saying what you say they're saying? All I'm seeing here is compassion for Bristol's self-imposed problems. Not excusing it, but compassion nonetheless.

If anybody's into mythic standards, it's your fellow-traveller Paulbots when it comes to the economy, etc. No wonder you're divorced - no woman would want to listen to that type of bullshit for any length of time.

Dick.  

Posted by: Paulie in AZ at February 17, 2009 11:53 AM (8sSFK)

194

Family values is a wonderful thing, but the religious right's closed-minded insistence that anyone who fails to live up to some mythic standard should be held up as an object of derision is why I left the GOP and became a Libertarian after my divorce.

Libertarianism is a wonderful thing, but reasoning from inaccurate broad-brush stereotypes and false dichotomies is why most people think the LP is full of batshit-crazy loons. That and the permanent haze of pot-smoke surrounding their meetings.

Posted by: The Band at February 17, 2009 11:57 AM (H2ikU)

195

One more thing, Gabe:

If you're going to steal stories like this from Hot Air you might as well as steal their picture of red meat to post with them.

Posted by: Tinian at February 17, 2009 12:07 PM (Ohodx)

196 I have nothing bad to say about Bristol Palin. But she is wrong. Abstinence is realistic, if you let it be. If you put yourself in situations where abstaining is difficult, you have yourself to blame. My wife and I married as virgins at age 27, and neither of us has any regrets. Our marriage is only stronger for it. Was I taking a risk that we might not be “sexually compatible”? Sure, but that never really occured to me, because I was making a commitment to her, not sex.

In this oversexed media culture, perhaps there are more pressures to be sexually active. But to call it unrealistic is to toss away teachings that have protected and provided for billions of people over thousands of years. I accept Bristol and her baby (and her boyfriend, whatever his name is). They are precious in God’s sight, as much as anyone else is. But Bristol’s way of thinking is just plain wrong, and has led many down a path they wish they had never trodden.

Posted by: John F Not Kerry at February 17, 2009 12:45 PM (HF2US)

197 The LP is full of libertine "...bat-shit crazy loons" and surrounded by a "...permanent haze of pot smoke". They will always be that to the true conservatives. "Birds of a feather..." and etc.

Posted by: Reagan's Ghost at February 17, 2009 01:20 PM (LmyDE)

198 Anarchy is NOT conservatism.

Posted by: Reagan's Ghost at February 17, 2009 01:21 PM (LmyDE)

199

I left the GOP and became a Libertarian after my divorce coming-out

getting caught behind the barn with a goat

Sorry. I've been a libertarian for a long time.

_____________________________

Truth of the matter, before the liberaltarian movement, I never met any real wild libertarians. Some homosexuals, sure, but real solid-citizen types. No orgies, no party drugs you'd never heard of, no double-dog-dare-ya sexual adventures, dammit. And I was in the SIL in 73. Perhaps I didn't know the secret sign. 

Mostly conservatives who just couldn't run with Nixon. They had one spouse apiece, jobs (well, "businesses" mostly), kids, and a serious demeanor. I know that comes as a disappointment to most here.

I do have reservations about evangelicals legislating morality. But using law to enforce your triumphant morals is a society-wide vice, not limited to Christians. I've seen some born-agains grow up to be quite trustworthy in that regard. Their biggest problem, like most people's, is lack of historical perspective. Ironic, considering the Old Testament and all, but they can learn.

One thing I do't do is look to Greta for social insight. I've just got a thing.

Posted by: comatus at February 17, 2009 01:33 PM (q8qaN)

200 Dear Debby,
     For the first time in my adult life, I am ashamed to be called a conservative...

Posted by: pcbedamned at February 17, 2009 01:46 PM (7Ord/)

201 180 I have nothing bad to say about Bristol Palin. But she is wrong. Abstinence is realistic, if you let it be. If you put yourself in situations where abstaining is difficult, you have yourself to blame.

Posted by: John F Not Kerry at February 17, 2009 05:45 PM (HF2US)

The "abstinence-only" thing can help, but it's not a panacea. Most of the stuff I've read regarding this indicates that kids will still have unmarried sex, but they'll wait longer and be more likely to be monogamous.  In other words, it can reduce the really bad behavior around the margins (like starting at age 12, or fucking everythingthing with a pulse).  IMHO, the right approach is to teach contraception, but tell them abstinence is the only way to be 100% safe (IIRC, this is what Palin's sex-ed policy is, BTW).  And show them tons of pictures of diseased, rotting cocks for good measure.

Posted by: ol-dirty-/b/tard at February 17, 2009 02:06 PM (Q5I/+)

202

Posted by: Talismen at February 17, 2009 01:16 PM (hosSA)

blockquote>Pardon me but....With all due respect - Why not lead by example? How's about YOU start discussing YOUR private life in front of the world, allowing them to pick you apart?

 

Talismen You Rock!

 

 

Posted by: Bristol Palin at February 17, 2009 03:17 PM (YLNjm)

203 Debbie Schlussel can go piss up a rope.  Bristol already has a family.

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205 "I think the "it" in that last sentence is meant to be "extramarital sex."

You mean, like fugging?

Posted by: thegreatbeast at February 17, 2009 05:34 PM (KCJiV)

206

excuse me, I've skipped all the comments just so I could say this to DebbieS.

shut up, skank.

Posted by: Darleen Click at February 17, 2009 06:13 PM (Hto/+)

207

im 19, im a virgin and proud of it, abstenience is realistic bristol

Posted by: YRM at February 17, 2009 08:13 PM (004wR)

208

She's crazy! You have no idea! Please, you gotta get us outta here before it's too late!!

Oh God, here she comes!!

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