August 20, 2008
— DrewM Yesterday Joe Biden tried to tamp down speculation that he would not be Obama's VP pick by saying, "I'm not the guy". Many took that to mean, he was not the pick. Turns out that wasn't what Biden meant.
A Biden source told us not to read too much into his "Im-not-the-guy" statement, saying he was pretending not to be Biden -- rather than stating he wasnt going to be Obamas VP.
Pretending not to be himself? Oh my, an Obama/Biden ticket would be the best.
Let's face it, we don't want Biden on the Democratic ticket. We NEED him on that ticket.
In other Veepstakes news...Joe Lieberman is now scheduled to speak at the RNC Convention. This confirms what many have speculated for awhile now and it might be the last straw for Democrats to kick him out of his Homeland Security chairmanship. And no, even if he caucuses with Republicans, the Democrats keep control of the Senate thanks to a deal cut when they organized the Senate after the 2006 elections.
Meanwhile, Lieberman is still being floated as a possible running mate for McCain.
As Ace blogged yesterday, he thinks McCain's standing in the polls (which I think it's safe to say is better than just about anyone expected at this point) makes the need to go for the game changing long ball, which a Lieberman selection would represent, unnecessary.
My fear is it will make McCain comfortable and lead him to think he can go with his gut. Let's face it, when faced with a fork in the road, McCain tends to take the one marked "Maverick Way".
I really hope Ace is right.
[Update PA]
AP has declared Lieberman to be a "prick", so I guess that settles it.
...His top contenders are said to include...and Connecticut Sen. Joe Lieberman, the Democratic vice presidential prick in 2000 who now is an independent...I found this at Tully's.
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Posted by: roy at August 20, 2008 07:05 AM (cB77O)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 20, 2008 07:09 AM (zpaDL)
Posted by: grc at August 20, 2008 07:13 AM (YleVG)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 20, 2008 07:14 AM (6L459)
Two words, Maverick:
1. Sara.
2. Palin.
If you pick Lieberman, I might get out of bed on election morning, unless I'm sleepy or hung over. IYKWIMAITYD.
Posted by: sherlock at August 20, 2008 07:17 AM (h6sl7)
Watch the Biden video for yourself and ask what he meant by it
http://williamamos.wordpress.com/2008/08/19/there-can-be-only-one-and-its-not-joe-biden/#comments
Posted by: William Amos at August 20, 2008 07:17 AM (VUgv4)
I think you're also on target to fret about McCain getting too "mavericky" in light of the positive polling. The trouble with Mac is he wants to be trancendent, and no doubt Liebs, if JMac was unfettered by political considerations, would be his pick.
Posted by: Alamo at August 20, 2008 07:19 AM (Mqupr)
Posted by: J David at August 20, 2008 07:20 AM (eQRqG)
Posted by: J David at August 20, 2008 07:22 AM (eQRqG)
I had dinner with my sister last night. She's an Obama supporter, but a sane one. The talk came down to VP candidates. I told her about Sarah Palin, and she started to get excited. Not just about her sex, though that was an attraction: the fact that Ted Stevens hates her was a big selling point.
I think my sister's hand would wither away if she tried to pull the lever for a Republican, but the fact that she shows any sort of interest in a McCain/Palin ticket tells me (1) that Palin could attract a good percentage of Democratic women, and (2) that Obama's support is softer than even I imagined.
Posted by: Brown Line at August 20, 2008 07:45 AM (VrNoa)
Posted by: grc at August 20, 2008 07:46 AM (YleVG)
This is what I think. The lesson he will learn from gaining ground after all these more-left-than-right "trial balloons" is that he actually picks up votes for leaning left. And since that's his natural inclination...
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at August 20, 2008 07:50 AM (1Ug6U)
Tell us more about your sister. She sounds nice.
Posted by: runninrebel at August 20, 2008 07:52 AM (0n9wc)
Posted by: mare at August 20, 2008 07:54 AM (xMkst)
Posted by: tachyonshuggy at August 20, 2008 07:54 AM (TXp3z)
The man is horrible.
Okay, fantasy tag-team debate: Obama & Bidet Biden VS. McCain & Palin.
Remember what happened to the cow they lowered into the Raptor pit in "Jurassic Park"? Precisely...
Posted by: sherlock at August 20, 2008 07:55 AM (ZrS0c)
Posted by: tachyonshuggy at August 20, 2008 07:56 AM (TXp3z)
Posted by: runninrebel at August 20, 2008 07:57 AM (0n9wc)
Posted by: mare at August 20, 2008 08:01 AM (xMkst)
I don't think so. McCain is the perfect guy to run against Obama.
Anybody more conservative would leave undecideds for Obama.
Anybody more RINO would cause the base to stay home completely.
He's the right guy for the job this time around. For beating Obama he's a godsend.
Posted by: tachyonshuggy at August 20, 2008 08:02 AM (TXp3z)
Posted by: mare at August 20, 2008 08:03 AM (xMkst)
Posted by: mare at August 20, 2008 08:06 AM (xMkst)
Posted by: mare at August 20, 2008 08:08 AM (xMkst)
McCain's VP slot? All I can say is that conservatives better get their safety glasses on and mouthguards in place 'cause here comes Johnny.
Biden? Yeah, Obama is that stupid, in a political way. It is his first real political campaign. The old chicago machine can't help him in a truly national election with so many people watching every move and speculating about every insignificant activity (selecting a VP candidate) ad infinum.
It seems old hopeandchange has painted himself into a corner. Can't be Hilary - he wants to survive his term. (Would she have the sense to wait 2 years before someone offs him?) Can't be another female - the PUMAs will go nuts. Can't be a male - the PUMAs will go nuts.
He actually seems a new kind of politician - the old political machine sleaze without any political acumen for the long campaign haul. Very inexperienced.
Posted by: TomJW at August 20, 2008 08:10 AM (xRCpL)
The only thing that makes 'conservative' silliness seem almost benign is that 'progressive' silliness is pure bat-shit crazy. It's ALL in the context.
The reason McCain is doing so well is precisely BECAUSE he is NOT a 'typical' Republican. He is clearly over performing the brand by a wide margin, and the reason for that is that he is drawing support from a lot of people who would not vote for a 'Republican' but will vote for McCain. Because not in spite of his 'Maverick' status. The same status that makes Obama's attempts to portray him as Bush 3 so ineffective.
I would be surprised to the point of shock if McCain did something so foolish as to choose someone who would not only split his coalition but also brings nothing whatsoever to the ticket. I'm talking Lieberman here, folks.
I am now leaning towards a Romney selection as he brings a lot to the party, and the annoying little Mormon/Evangelical thingy, has now been effectively trumped by the 'above my pay grade' thingy.
I note that one of the doofi at the 'Corner' has his/her knickers in a knot today because McCain would not definitively agree that there is a litmus test for his VP picks. Of course he's not going to say anything like that. It would immediately be presented as his being in the grip of the religious right and make him into appear as essentially a pawn of their wishes. Bad optics and bad politics. REALLY REALLY REALLY bad politics.
Even though there is in fact a litmus test involved, it is damn stupid to admit it in public ,and Ms. Ingram was none too politically bright in insisting that he bow down and prostrate himself in a public forum.
Like I said to start --- lucky the Kos Kids are there to provide a needed reality check. Context.
Posted by: dougf at August 20, 2008 08:12 AM (16GPT)
Posted by: Javems at August 20, 2008 08:22 AM (hq71Y)
Posted by: Amy at August 20, 2008 08:26 AM (U0dI+)
So... Obama see Biden and says .. "Hey.. that is a bright man. I could use advice from him on foreign policy.."... continuing his past history of being a really bad judge of character.. Michelle, Jeremiah, Frank, Rezko, etc.
Holy crap!
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at August 20, 2008 08:28 AM (QcPNi)
Posted by: mark c at August 20, 2008 08:30 AM (EVmYn)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 20, 2008 08:37 AM (6L459)
Posted by: mare at August 20, 2008 08:42 AM (xMkst)
Posted by: mare at August 20, 2008 08:43 AM (xMkst)
Posted by: mare at August 20, 2008 08:44 AM (xMkst)
Posted by: DrewM. at August 20, 2008 08:58 AM (hlYel)
Posted by: J David at August 20, 2008 08:59 AM (eQRqG)
I wouldn't read too much into the Lieberman at the convention thing. More just a Zell Miller rehash.
My wife is a political agnostic. She didn't like Hillary but the hairs on the back of her neck stood up when Hillary was getting smeared by Obamatons. She's commented to me a few times since then that if repubs wanted to do an end run around identity politicking for the black vote, it was to nominate a strong woman for VP. Palin's probably the winningest choice for McCain from that perspective.
Personally, I dislike playing identity politic games, but you should ask the libertarian party how campaigning on the issues has worked for them. *shrugs*
Posted by: Hadlowe at August 20, 2008 09:00 AM (YxYNf)
RINOs are being led into the oldest military tactic of warfare, the ambush, in which they appear at the moment to be defeating a seeming weak enemy, a screen force that falls back in disarray when attacked, and keeps falling back in "defeat" until the attackers are enveloped by a superior force in protected positions.
McCain is leading unprincipled politicos in an attack on a seeming weakened force, and there is an outside chance that he "wins" the election, where his forces are enveloped by a superior force of Democrats and completely neutralized, with the additional, and much the worse cost of any identity the party might still have retained as representative of something other than big gov't socialism, as "conservative" and pro-capital will be utterly destroyed.
Posted by: J David at August 20, 2008 09:14 AM (eQRqG)
Posted by: J David at August 20, 2008 09:21 AM (eQRqG)
Posted by: Some Dude at August 20, 2008 09:21 AM (+dnnZ)
Hmmm, now that gives me an idea. You know what would be a grand idea. A cage match between the true believers on each side. 'True Conservatives (not Andrew by the by) on one side and 'True Progressives' on the other. No squishes, backsliders, or deviationists(left or right) need apply. Just pick a thinly populated State, and they could all show up there to deal with their ideological mirror images. The ENEMY. We could even make it a PPV and really put a dent in the National Operating Deficit. Well worth every penny. Especially with HDTV.
Good clean fun for all. And the best part is that no matter who won, the real winners would be all those 'moderates' who could root on the mayhem from the bleachers.
Oh sorry. I guess I should have been more 'conservative' here, and split this comment into about 4 separate postings. One after the other. Like a stream of consciousness conversation.
Posted by: dougf at August 20, 2008 09:22 AM (16GPT)
"Heretics"...yes, that word works, though a bit inflammatory.
"Stream of consciousness" is the description of my thought process that I usually use myself. The conscious mind operates at 10% total capacity, but a tap into the sub-conscious is often very productive.
Posted by: J David at August 20, 2008 09:47 AM (eQRqG)
Now that Joe Lieberman is speaking
at the RNC Convention, the Democrats are trying to get a Republican senator who
agrees with most of their agenda to speak at their convention.
Unfortunately,
John McCain is busy that week.
Posted by: Socky at August 20, 2008 11:17 AM (PLvLS)
A relative stands to benefit greatly if Joe gets it.
GO JOE
GO JOE!!!
JOEMENTUM!
GO GO GO JOE!!!
GO JOE!
JOE GO!
BIDEN/OBAMA 08!!!
Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzz Olbermananananaaann at August 20, 2008 11:33 AM (vFeQi)
I hope McCain goes with Kasich, but he may go with Portman or even Boehner. Portman and Boehner would wrap up SW Ohio, and Ohio is his. Game Over.
Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at August 20, 2008 11:39 AM (5aa4z)
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Posted by: Socky at August 20, 2008 11:58 AM (PLvLS)
Har! Socky is teh funnee!
Posted by: OregonMuse at August 20, 2008 12:22 PM (FO+YO)
Joe "Judge-a-ment" Biden just released this statement:
Son, we live in a world that has platforms and those platforms need to be guarded by men with hope. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Ace? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Bush and curse the Democrats; you have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know: that the GOP’s death, while tragic, will probably save lives and that my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives.
You don't want the truth because deep down in places you don't talk about at blogger parties you want me on that ticket, you need me on that ticket. We use words like hope, change, history. We use them as the backbone of a life trying to change something. You use them as a punchline. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very hope I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said "thank you," and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest that you pick up a ballot and vote partyline Democrat. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.
When asked if was still denying that he's the guy, Biden responded: "The guy! The guy! I am the fucking guy!
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