September 23, 2006

Arizona 9/11 Moonbat "Memorial" Sparks Outrage
— Ace

The MSM wall is breached.

On Drudge, too.

Allah?

Nice Goin', Yo: Just saw the finds you guys are making. Very nice, Nice Deb, Tommy1, and everyone else.

If anyone's up for it: someone mentioned to me it might be a good idea to get a hold of the list of people on the governor's commission that created this hateful piece of shit. If you come across that, let me know.

Going to crash soon, but I'll highlight your finds tomorrow. It's silly to have your research only posted in a main-post text over at HotAir, isn't it?

I'm really proud to be hosting the site this stuff is going on in. I don't really have a lot to do with it, but I'm happy to be associated with it.


The Finds: Allah's prematurely conceding defeat; we're not nearly there yet. Still, it's gaining. Drudge almost never links bloggers; it's just a thing with him. So he waited until a local Arizona paper basically just retyped espressopundit.com's posting and then interviewed him (with espressopundit.com "quoted" saying pretty much the same damn things on his website).

So why couldn't Drudge have just linked espressopundit? If he's such a big damn believer in the new media "Manifesto," why is it so important to him to get the Old Media's imprimatur on a story before running it?

Eh. Whatever. I guess he's struggling for respectability himself and can't risk linking those outlaw bloggers too often.

Anyway, Nice Deb and tommy1 found some good stuff, and Allah has it up on his site.

tommy's catch is pretty telling:

“The attacks gave America a sense of what the rest of the world is feeling, sometimes on a daily basis,” architect Eddie Jones says.

Allah finds another slogan reading

FEELING OF INVIOBILITY LOST

echoing the sentiment of America being (thankfully?) humbled.

The most outrageous statement remains the tribute to victims of an errant US airstrike in Afghanistan -- creating an equivalency between civilians accidentally killed in a legitimate war of self-defense and the 3000 victims of 9/11, killed intentionally by psychotic murder-cultists.

Who is this supposed to be a memorial to?

Incidentally... One of Allah's readers is going down to the "memorial" to videotape it and photograph it more fully.

As I said after the Rathergate story: "Look, Ma! No MSM help!"

The Governor's Commissioners For This Travesty: Wonder what their politics and donation histories might be?

Thanks to WickedPinto. I asked him to break a bitch, and he broke 'er.


Here We Go... Shelley Cohn.

Johnny Basha. Yes, those are both Democratic candidates for Congress.

Benito Almanza. Same.

We're going to tie this horrid abortion around the Democratic Party's anti-American neck.


Ever Feel Like You've Been Cheated? Anyone who donated to this, drop me a line. Let me know what representations were made to you about what the memorial would be, and how you feel those promises have been born out.

Posted by: Ace at 05:03 PM | Comments (456)
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1 Leave a pig's head at the memorial as a token of respect.

Posted by: True Thurts at September 23, 2006 05:19 PM (2hwsa)

2 Release the hounds!

Posted by: mesablue at September 23, 2006 05:22 PM (DzeyU)

3 I question the timing.

Seriously, if you think that this will create an avalanche in the MSM, well, I hope that you're right, but I think that you're dead wrong. Any group that will openly attempt to foist forgeries onto the public with the purpose of changing the outcome of a presidential election cannot be trusted. Ever.

Posted by: physics geek at September 23, 2006 05:29 PM (w/X+W)

4 “You don’t win battles of terrorism with more battles.”

She said all the inscriptions were found factual by an Arizona State University history professor.

Besides the obvious fact that the statement above isn't a factual statement, but a matter of opinion, anyone know the identity of this professor? There cannot be that many.

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 05:37 PM (CRG6u)

5

Good news. This part of the story struck me as odd:


Tempe resident Donna Bird, whose husband Gary was killed in the attack, said all the inscriptions were found factual by Arizona State University history professor. She added that she wouldn't have helped design the memorial, which names her husband, if it were political.


Inscriptions like, "You don't win battles of terror with more battles."


Right, lady, that's not political at all, and shoot, an ASU history professor found it factual, so dammit, it must be a fact.


Whatever.


Posted by: Nice Deb at September 23, 2006 05:38 PM (9ftXk)

6 MikeZ, you stole my thunder!

Posted by: Nice Deb at September 23, 2006 05:40 PM (9ftXk)

7 I know how the history professor could've found it factual. Please stay with me on this one.

You see, America is a terrorist state. Since it is a terrorist state, al Queda responded with terrorism against America on 9-11-2001. This engendered the military response of the US in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Thus, "You don't win battles of terror with more battles."

Now of course I don't agree. But is it really that hard to see how a LLL Moonbat would think that is factual?

My head hurts from thinking like a Lefty. I'm going to get another beer.

Posted by: Birkel at September 23, 2006 05:44 PM (S1X8B)

8 I want to track down the fuckhead history professor who thought this was proper. Not that I want to do anything or even contact the bastard, but I want it made a matter of public record who this assclown is and what kind of background he has.

Strangely, I haven't found any mention of the memorial in question anywhere yet. I'm sure somebody must have been ballyhooing the fact that they were involved in the project.

Anyone who wants to help, here are some resources.

Here is the University's homepage:
http://www.asu.edu/

Here is the History Department homepage:
http://www.asu.edu/clas/history/news/index.html

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 05:54 PM (CRG6u)

9 If I was a betting man, I'd say this asu professor

http://www.asu.edu/clas/history/faculty/bios/longley.pdf

Seems to have an unhealthy obsession with the Gore family.

But that's just a shot in the dark.

Posted by: type9 at September 23, 2006 05:57 PM (1alN/)

10 Funny. I was looking at Whitaker. His predominant areas of interest appear to be black history and regional history. He wrote some piece on 'black America in the aftermath of 9/11' or something like that.

Judging by the titles of his work he is definitely left of center. Probably far left of center.

http://www.asu.edu/clas/history/faculty/bios/whitaker.pdf

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 06:04 PM (CRG6u)

11 Technically, there aren't 'Battles of Terror'.

There are ''Bouts of Terror".

We can call this bout: 'The 'We Bad' against the Jihad"

if we feel the need to make up t-shirts.

.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 23, 2006 06:05 PM (PcDvW)

12

The Arizona Historical Advisory Commission meeting of Jan 31,2006, which met to discuss the 9/11 memorial, included Noel J. Stowe/Chair, history professor of ASU.


Does that help?


Posted by: Nice Deb at September 23, 2006 06:10 PM (9ftXk)

13

I just googled, ASU history professor 9/11 memorial.


The entire minutes from the meeting are included in the document.


Posted by: Nice Deb at September 23, 2006 06:13 PM (9ftXk)

14 Hmmm, I'll stick with Longley

Deconstructing Reagan: A Critical Analysis of Conservative Mythology, editor and contributor
of one essay [under contract with M. E. Sharpe Publishers]

“The ‘Reluctant’ Volunteer: The Origins of Senator Albert A. Gore’s Opposition to the Vietnam
War,” in Randall Woods’, The New Anti-Imperialists: Senate and House Opposition to
the Vietnam War (New York: Cambridge University Press, 2003): 204-36

“White Knight for Civil Rights?: Senator Albert A. Gore Sr. and the Civil Rights Movement,”
Tennessee Historical Quarterly (Fall 199 : 114-130.
“Internationalizing the Teaching of American Foreign Relations: Incorporating the Foreign Perspective
into the Classroom,” AHA Perspectives (November 1996): 23-26, 30.

Posted by: type9 at September 23, 2006 06:15 PM (1alN/)

15 They're all assclowns!

Posted by: Nice Deb at September 23, 2006 06:16 PM (9ftXk)

16 I know how the history professor could've found it factual. Please stay with me on this one.

Whenever I see that, I lean into the screen, light a cigarrette and keep my beer close, cuz I know it's gonna be fun. I don't care who opens a comment with that, I'm possitive that we are gonna get to the center of one of these layered arguments.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 06:18 PM (QTv8u)

17 Great work, Nice Deb!

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 06:20 PM (CRG6u)

18 From the meeting minutes:

Woosley said that in the interest of time, that staff from the State Library and the Arizona
Historical Society’s Tempe museum should do random checking of the text. She said that she
was confident that the Arizona State University History Department had already done the largest
portion of the checking.

Posted by: type9 at September 23, 2006 06:20 PM (1alN/)

19 Here is Stowe's CV:
http://www.asu.edu/clas/history/faculty/bios/stowe.pdf

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 06:21 PM (CRG6u)

20 Come on guys, we need to look at the root causes of terror in the Middle East. I mean, Osama bin Laden wouldn't have turned to terrorism if he only had some economic opportunities in his life. Besides being from one of the wealthiest families in Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: Shivv at September 23, 2006 06:23 PM (ybQb9)

21 This Stowe fellow is pretty big on Latin American history. I'm surprised he didn't argue that there needed to be something said on behalf of the Sandinistas in the memorial.

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 06:24 PM (CRG6u)

22 Mike and Type,

That was a rather entertaining exchange. You guys are digging through university bio's and shit, and deb just goes and asks a computer a question and voilla All done.

Good on'ya Deb.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 06:24 PM (QTv8u)

23 Overall, nothing very surprising on his CV.

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 06:27 PM (CRG6u)

24 Yeah, Deb did a good job, Wickedpinto. Should have Googled it.

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 06:28 PM (CRG6u)

25 Indeed, great work by Deb.

Here seems to be the "artiste"

Cohn introduced Marie Salenger from the successful design firm to give an overview of the
proposed new memorial in Wesley Bolin Plaza to commemorate the events that took place on
September 11, 2001 at the World Trade Center Twin Towers,

Posted by: at September 23, 2006 06:30 PM (1alN/)

26 Here is Stowe's faculty bio:

http://www.asu.edu/clas/history/faculty/bios/stowe.html

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 06:30 PM (CRG6u)

27 as well as:

She said that Nancy Dallett was the consultant on the project, who
participated in creating the text as well as checking it for accuracy; Salenger is a member of the
artist team.
Cohn said that Salenger will show

Posted by: type9 at September 23, 2006 06:31 PM (1alN/)

28 My kids laugh at me because I google everything. I never mess with  the www.bs.

Posted by: Nice Deb at September 23, 2006 06:34 PM (9ftXk)

29 type9

Each time I opened "...longley.pdf" and used the find feature with the word "Gore", the window froze!

Posted by: Snowballin' Heaven at September 23, 2006 06:39 PM (TUfR5)

30 Wickedpinto,

What? You didn't like my attempt to channel a Lefty professor?

I thought I got to the essence of moonbat-ism. I'll run through the checklist:

1) My conspiracy theory blamed America first.
2) A la Senator Harkin I said I could understand why al Queda responded to our hegemony with violence (root causes, etc.).
3) I blamed America for going to war.

Come on. That's some good stuff. And we've all seen the Moonbat Trolls come here and make those types of arguments. No?

Posted by: Birkel at September 23, 2006 06:39 PM (S1X8B)

31 The text doesn't seem to have been foisted on anyone(unless of course the proposal differed from the final text). More notables from the minutes:

By unanimous decision, the Arizona Capitol Mall Commission selected a conceptual design. (A
picture of the proposed memorial was circulated among the members and a document with
proposed text for the plaque and memorial was distributed to all).

Posted by: type9 at September 23, 2006 06:44 PM (1alN/)

32 There has to be a way we can work Longley into this somehow. Lol.

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 06:45 PM (CRG6u)

33 As an engineer, with an advanced degree from a highly respected university, my experimental conclusions as to the contents of said history professor's ass is that its full of gerbils.

This is SCIENCE. Trust me.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 23, 2006 06:47 PM (ZVOjz)

34 Here is the url for the minutes:

http://www.azcentennial.gov/documents/minutes/ahac.jan.31.2006.meeting.minutes.pdf#search=%22ASU%20history%20professor%209%2F11%20memorial%22

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 06:51 PM (CRG6u)

35 Thats what I meant to say birkel.

Whenever one of us goes all. . . .projectiony and speculative, it is generaly fun. Thats what I meant.

LAYERS!

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 06:51 PM (QTv8u)

36
Here is an article concerning the Executive Direction, Shelley Cohn
http://www.azcentral.com/ent/arts/articles/1009shelley.html

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 06:55 PM (CRG6u)

37
Duh! Director.

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 06:56 PM (CRG6u)

38 Seems to me the whole lot of them knew what this was. No objections were raised at any point.

Nancy Dallett and Marie Salenger would appear to be the originators of the art and text according to the minutes...but the whole gang was in on it. The text was first approved by the capitol mall commission, then "checked" by asu history department, the state library, and Tempe history museum.

Posted by: type9 at September 23, 2006 07:01 PM (1alN/)

39 Nice Deb!

Allah says you are akbar!

One of Ace’s commenters did some googling and came back with the minutes of the Arizona History Advisory Commission’s meeting of 1/31/06. One of the members is Noel J. Stowe, chairman of ASU’s history department

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 07:12 PM (QTv8u)

40 Cool, Wickedpinto.

I don't know if I'm considered "one of us" sometimes. Not like you.

Popular bastard!

Posted by: Birkel at September 23, 2006 07:13 PM (S1X8B)

41 Funny how this Shelley Cohen bitch has a distinct resemblance to Tamar Jacoby, the open borders advocate at the Manhattan Institute and another pet hate of mine.

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 07:16 PM (CRG6u)

42 Madonna's Crucifixion

If Madonna really wants to be controversial perhaps she should mimic the "final" prophet of Islam, Muhammad.

Posted by: Jersey Joe at September 23, 2006 07:17 PM (TUfR5)

43 Actually, it is Cohn. Not Cohen. Variant of the same name.

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 07:18 PM (CRG6u)

44 Nice Deb's comment that "they are all assclowns" rings so true:

Here is a piece on 9/11, 5 years after:

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0911nine-eleven0911.html

In it, an ASU history professor - Warner this time - is quoted:

There has been a rise in xenophobia and a confusion about just who our enemies are. Turbans became targets out of ignorance.

"For me, it's a little scary as a professor," ASU's Warner says, "because my students seem more closed-minded, the world a little more black and white than it used to be. It seems to be more 'my way or the highway.'


I agree that there is definitely confusion about who are enemies are. I don't think I mean that in the same way these people do.

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 07:22 PM (CRG6u)

45

It probably never occurred to any of them that their ideas might be in any way objectionable to the "common folk".


Talk about living in a bubble.


Where does Donna Bird, whose husband died on 9/11 fit into all of this. The report said she had a hand in the design. Why would she have gone along with it? Liberal? Dumb? Naive?


I guess I'm getting into Ann Coulter territory, even asking, so I'll shut up.


Posted by: Nice Deb at September 23, 2006 07:23 PM (9ftXk)

46

No "hat tip" to Nice Deb, from Allah?!


I swear, I get no respect!


Posted by: Nice Deb at September 23, 2006 07:27 PM (9ftXk)

47 Agreed. More pearls of wisdom from that article:

"September 11 is now shorthand for, 'Vote for us,' " says Miriam Elman, who teaches political science at ASU and specializes in the war on terrorism."

[Eddie]Jones has had to look carefully. Along with artists Maria and Matt Salenger, he has designed the Arizona 9/11 Memorial.

"We were careful not to politicize the memorial," he says. "Because we're human beings and feel pain like anyone else, there was a political turn on the events, but I'm proud we have avoided that.

Posted by: type9 at September 23, 2006 07:30 PM (1alN/)

48 Sorry for the error, I don't think that last professor was actually a history professor. However, this article should give you an idea of the people behind the memorial design:

"The attacks gave America a sense of what the rest of the world is feeling, sometimes on a daily basis," architect Eddie Jones says.

Later in the article:

Jones has had to look carefully. Along with artists Maria and Matt Salenger, he has designed the Arizona 9/11 Memorial.

"We were careful not to politicize the memorial," he says. "Because we're human beings and feel pain like anyone else, there was a political turn on the events, but I'm proud we have avoided that.

"It is significant that the spectrum of emotion in the memorial is expressed in light, not shadow. Not material but sunlight, which is historically symbolic of optimism, something uplifting and hopeful.

"It deals with this painful issue in a way that subtly suggests hope. I love that part," Jones says.

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 07:31 PM (CRG6u)

49 Nice Deb

Where does Donna Bird fit into all of this.

Two words - Cindy Sheehan

Posted by: Manhattan Views at September 23, 2006 07:31 PM (TUfR5)

50 We're on the same wavelength MikeZ

Posted by: type9 at September 23, 2006 07:34 PM (1alN/)

51 Transcripts of an interview with the architects:

http://www.kaet.asu.edu/horizon/transcripts.asp?ID=368

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 07:42 PM (CRG6u)

52 "For me, it's a little scary as a professor," ASU's Warner says, "because my students seem more closed-minded, the world a little more black and white than it used to be. It seems to be more 'my way or the highway.'I would like to think this mindset is because the "perfesser" was nowhere near NYC or DC on 9/11, But then how does one explain the NYT, in whose backyard it went down?

All I can figure is that these people live in an alternate Bizarro-land universe, where its important to be open-minded about the fanatics who want to destroy your society and kill you.

How did our country breed such fools?


Posted by: Redhand at September 23, 2006 07:43 PM (7G9b2)

53 Saw this at Instapunk.

I'm gonna shower, shove a rusty nail in my eyes, and then contact John McCain and demand prosecution under the new war crimes laws.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 07:45 PM (QTv8u)

54 Redhand,

It is like Dennis Prager always says: "Some ideas are so stupid you'd have to go to college to learn them."

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 07:45 PM (CRG6u)

55 Great find MikeZ

"And to extend that further, if someone would have come from the memorial thinking, gosh, we're all in this same boat, we're all on the same planet, you know, maybe we need to begin to appreciate our relationship with the whole world regardless of color and nationality."

Yeah, that's what I get out of say....the Arizona sunk at Pearl too.

Posted by: type9 at September 23, 2006 07:46 PM (1alN/)

56 Or if you are into that stuff, you can just look at the picture.

I just ate not that long ago, I'm gonna have to eat aain, but I don't know if my mind will allow it.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 07:47 PM (QTv8u)

57 Here is a quote on the memorial from Napolitano:

"This (the memorial) will not only commemorate the losses but reaffirm the history," Napolitano said.

Gotta love that shit!

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/1118911memorial.html

Posted by: MikeZ at September 23, 2006 07:52 PM (CRG6u)

58 Hey, these people are just more nuanced than we are.

Posted by: Nice Deb at September 23, 2006 07:53 PM (9ftXk)

59

Babs, buy a bra.


Wonderbras are on sale at Kohls for $14.99, this week.


Posted by: Nice Deb at September 23, 2006 07:55 PM (9ftXk)

60 A word of advice to all: do not ever, EVER click on a link to a .jpg provided by WickedPinto. What was I thinking?

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 23, 2006 07:56 PM (ICv7V)

61 Oregon,

I voiced my personal concerns.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 07:56 PM (QTv8u)

62 Well, I've got to cantor at mass, tomorrow morning, so I'd better get to bed. G'night, folks.

Posted by: Nice Deb at September 23, 2006 07:58 PM (9ftXk)

63 I'm watching "Be Cool" on TV. Just flipped to it.

Travolta's dancing with Uma Thurman but after that pic from a couple weeks ago I just don't believe him. My disbelief cannot be suspended when I know he kisses men full on the mouth.

Oh, yeah, btw Wickedpinto. That was uncool. Be Cool, brotha. No more Babs photos evah.

Posted by: Birkel at September 23, 2006 07:59 PM (S1X8B)

64 Moxie points to one of the great blog popularity concepts

This one is not like the first, watch the vid, and if you can do three things at once, listen to it as well. My favorite part "back to the lathe."

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 08:15 PM (QTv8u)

65 The memorial designers forget to document one of the most chilling outrages against humanity I've ever seen.

Thank God we have true patriots like liberal blogger needlenose.

How much training do you need to learn that it's wrong to force a man to masturbate? He never said he is sorry. I never heard him say he's sorry to the victims, to the United States Army or to anyone else.

— Maj. Michael Holley, army prosecutor in the case of Abu Ghraib torturer, Staff Sgt. Ivan L. "Chip" Frederick

Posted by: Dogstar at September 23, 2006 08:18 PM (Rz/5R)

66 Can't we just bulldoze the damn thing and start over?

Posted by: Mr. Matamoros at September 23, 2006 08:41 PM (FODlD)

67 OT, via Steyn: Quagmire! Those damn ___________ don't want democracy after all...

Posted by: someone at September 23, 2006 08:41 PM (LS1TS)

68 I suggest we hier mickey paul jr. and paul sr. to design the fucking thing. It'll prolly weigh a ton, not be all that cool, but it will be about 9/11.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 08:54 PM (QTv8u)

69 Wickedpinto,

There's only one guy you can hire to design a 9/11 Memorial when you want it to slice like a fuckin' hammer, and you know who I'm talking about, bitch.

Posted by: DaveS at September 23, 2006 09:14 PM (m/5FH)

70 Not really DaveS. . . Paul Anka?

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 09:32 PM (QTv8u)

71 the list that you asked for.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 09:44 PM (QTv8u)

72 Theres also a detailed curriculuum (I hate spelling) for the k-12 grades on the site. It's not too bad until the 7th grade. in 7th, it gets a little indoctrinal, but is outright by the 9th.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 09:58 PM (QTv8u)

73 This is kinda irritating (a rather large quote)

Grade Level: High School Strand 1 – American History
Time Required: 1 class period
Activity Title: American Freedom Post 9-11
Arizona Social Studies Standard:
S1C10PO3
Describe how key political, social, environmental, and economic events of the late 20th century and early 21st century (e.g., Watergate, OPEC/oil crisis, Central American wars/Iran-Contra, End of Cold War, first Gulf War, September 11) affected, and continue to affect, the United States.


What the fuck does watergate and the central american /banana wars have to do with fucking 9/11?

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 10:00 PM (QTv8u)

74 Okay, this one pisses me off.

Explain the roots of terrorism:
a. background and motives
b. religious conflict (e.g., Northern Ireland, Chechnya, Southwestern Philippines, southern Thailand, Kashmir)
c. background of modern Middle East conflicts (e.g., Israeli – Palestinian conflict, Persian Gulf conflicts, Afghanistan)
d. economic and political inequities and cultural insensitivities


Arab? muslim? I mean fuck, they don't even have the nuts to bring up "crusades.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 10:02 PM (QTv8u)

75 Oh, I forgot to include the home page.

sorry about that.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 10:05 PM (QTv8u)

76 I think the person that had to etch this crap into the stone has a good case for workman’s comp. There is no way to stay sane and rationalize all the conflicting statements etched in this monument.

Posted by: Bill at September 23, 2006 10:25 PM (xuO5A)

77 I guess he's struggling for respectability himself and can't risk linking those outlaw bloggers too often.Look at Drudge's traffic numbers. Compare to any blogger's.

There's no functional reason for such a disparity should exist. If Drudge links to blogs, his audience might quickly discover this.

Therefore: ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: someone at September 23, 2006 10:32 PM (LS1TS)

78 I guess he's struggling for respectability himself and can't risk linking those outlaw bloggers too often.Look at Drudge's traffic numbers. Compare to any blogger's.

There's no functional reason for such a disparity to exist. If Drudge links to blogs, his audience might quickly discover this.

Therefore: ain't gonna happen.

Posted by: someone at September 23, 2006 10:33 PM (LS1TS)

79 Incidentally, our little-mourned simian troll was spotted soiling the posts at Winds of Change.

Posted by: someone at September 23, 2006 10:34 PM (LS1TS)

80 Incidentally, our little-mourned simian troll was spotted soiling the posts at Winds of Change.

He gets around - he's been haunting conservative blogs for the past year, then scurrying back to liberal blogs to brag about his troll-prowess. Trolling is an interesting sickness.

Posted by: geoff at September 23, 2006 10:41 PM (Id2DF)

81 Ah, see, you guys are going about it all wrong. I thought it was demeaning pacifist bull at first, too, but them I <a href="http://nuclearsiafu.blogspot.com/2006/09/moon-fzus-art-of-war-memorials.html" target="_blank" class="text">read deeper </a>and discovered what they really meant.

Posted by: Nuclear Siafu at September 23, 2006 10:56 PM (j21mM)

82

Ah, see, you guys are going about it all wrong. I thought it was demeaning pacifist bull at first, too, but them I read deeper and discovered what they really meant.


(Edit: Sorry about the double post.


Posted by: Nuclear Siafu at September 23, 2006 10:59 PM (j21mM)

83 I used to listen to drudges radio show when it was on, cuz his site is unreadable for the most part.

Every week, he would spend about 5 minutes bitching about being called a "blogger." He would say the word as though the word itself was a physical slime that covered his body, and touched his mouth. He would then follow up with "I'm an Internet Reporter!"

Now, I can understand what he means, it touches on one of the comments that allah made last year I think, about the parasitic nature of blogs relying on the media to feed off of, and then prosper,rather than being able to generate truly original material, or "scoops."

The thing is that Drudge might like the new MEDIUM! but he doesn't understand the fact that it is also a brilliant research tool with instantaneous access to googlebytes of reference material allowing a creative and thoughtful person to create original material. Drudge thinks he is a "reporter" just like Murrow, I mean fuck, look at his fucking hat.

Drudge is an asshole, why anyone loves drudge is beyond me, he "reports" like insta, 4 or 5 lines for the most part, only Insty gives credit where credit is due, and his longer entries are generaly innuendo or near complete copies of stories that already exist. Drudge doesn't wanna taint his status, It's like Clinton, he wants to protect his legacy even though others are doing more and better now.

To Matt Drudge,
You got your scoop, thats all, and you fool those with the savvy of a drunk dog trying to pinch arianna huffingtons nipples, but while you have your place, you cannot protect it by ignoring others who have created a place for themselves.

fin.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 11:03 PM (QTv8u)

84 Thanks to WickedPinto. I asked him to break a bitch, and he broke 'er.

Actually I'm getting ready for bed, and am listening to an audiobook (of a book I already read, but fuck it, for some reason I like this lame series) so I can listen and google at the same time. To tell the truth, it had nothing to do with a bitch, but with the good lady deb. I just did what she did, I mean fuck, she beat two hyper minutae obsessed researchers in about 20 seconds so I said to myself "What Would Nice Deb Do?"

I was just her fingers while she slept. . . (that almost sounds dirty)

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 11:19 PM (QTv8u)

85 Wikedpinto
What kind of blog money are you makin?
Drudge may be a loser but I bet you visit his site at least once a day.

Posted by: Bill at September 23, 2006 11:21 PM (xuO5A)

86 I will never understand political donations (are they tax refundable? they shouldn't be since they are well, attached to legislative promises and shit)

I donate money, not much, or rather it doesn't seem like much. When I was in the service my brothers wife was diagnosed with cancer so i donated 840 bucks to the american cancer foundation, and that was a LOT of money for me then, but I will NEVER donate to a fucking political party, I might take part in an expensive service based fundraiser, but I won't just hand over cash free and clear.

thats just me, I just don't get it, I don't want to be represented by beggars, I by far prefer nobility dignity and strength of will rather than gladhanding indigents completely incapable of speaking their minds since they live and die, feast and starve at my willing handout.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 11:28 PM (QTv8u)

87 Bill?

I never visit drudge for two reasons. If he has anything valuable, I will read it on one of the blogs I frequent. I make no blog money, and I in fact, care nothing for money other than it's ability to house and feed me and my 20 year old car. Fortunately I like old cars, I always work close to where I live, and I won't live anywhere that I find unreasonable. I have simple tastes in food, I only eat take-out or delivery once a week and can cook. I highly suggest that money never be used as an argument for talent, knowledge or success. I'm a peculiar cat, I have noticed that money is not based on those three things, but rather on the ability to capitalize on others inability to accomplish at least one if not all three of those characteristics. I'm perfectly happy as a hermit.

And note, _I_ don't like Drudge, but I also acknowledge his contribution, I just think he's a dick for his willingness to shit on people who are offering a contribution as well.

So Chill. It's not a fight.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 11:34 PM (QTv8u)

88 Wikedpinto
Just because I am in a foul mood I post the following.
Your previous post subjugates you to be represented by the likes of Teddy Kennedy. Only they can afford to buy the votes necessary without the donations of the wikedpinto. My reason for not donating to politics is different “it cuts into my drinkin money”

Posted by: Bill at September 23, 2006 11:36 PM (xuO5A)

89 Previous topic- and good morning, everyone. I just saw the Babs Kneebs... and damn near tossed my breakfast. That was sooooo not right.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at September 23, 2006 11:36 PM (1oOYY)

90 I should correct that bill.

I only visit drudge when he is referenced. which is rare, for instance, I visited drudge tonight when I commented with the link to babs belly button boobies, but he just referenced another news story, so "yay" I visited drudge so that I could read someone elses article. However, the 2 blogs that referenced drudge had original content that had me laughing my ass off.

So, yes, I visit his site, but only out of respect, he deserves his hits, if he is linked, or h/t'd (I HATE THAT fucking practice btw) and I enjoy the commentary of others thanks to his links, but as far as my visiting him? Nope i never do it directly I have about 300 JUST blogs on my favorites menu (I know I know I need to catch up with tech) and about 100 newspapers, and a lot of other places like hotair that I see as e-zines. So I don't shy from information via the net, but Drudge is not on it.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 11:41 PM (QTv8u)

91 Oh, I didn't say that they wouldn't get my money, but I wouldn't JUST give it outright. I will pay 50 bucks for a 20 buck meal and some interesting lecture/discussion/networking. But I won't just hand over a check and go home.

Thats what I meant bill.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 11:43 PM (QTv8u)

92 Wikedpinto
I never wanted to fight even though my writing style is caustic. I think I now get your point that you think of Drudge as the Star or Enquirer as opposed to the NYT (I pick that only because it is a well known paper not that I respect it). Not they don't deserve their spot just not your respect?

Posted by: bill at September 23, 2006 11:49 PM (xuO5A)

93 Let me know what representations were made to you about what the memorial would be, and how you feel those promises have been born out.

If you go to the homepage that is in one of my comments, there is a "news" section. The news stopped before the unveiling, and it basicaly consists of nothing but huge promises.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 11:49 PM (QTv8u)

94 Bill I would put it more this way.

Drudge thinks he's DOOM and everyone is copying him, meanwhile Half-life (and it's related spin-offs/additions) used something that was "pioneered" by DOOM but found a way to make itself interesting. DOOM was awesome, but Half-Life, specificaly Counterstrike, is even more awesome because of the user input. Drudge thinks he OWNS internet reporting, and derides the social nature of the net, where as bloggers embrace it and create something that is LIKE Drudge, only better because You, I, Laura, Nice Deb, Birkel, MikeZ, MikeS and everyone who VISITS! let alone visits regularly can contribute.

Drudge is a communist dictator of information, and thinks he is the only one who knows what is good for internet journalism, where as Blogs tend to be hyperactive editorial boards where everyone is able to create a product, though there is only one "boss."

We all participate in this blog, and any blog we comment at, we don't make the decisions, but we accomplish something. Some of us let Ace know what we like to read, some of us agree with ace and stroke his ego, some of us disagree with ace and inspire him to disagree BACK, some of us dig around randomly at his request, or on our own initiative, and ace fights his way through lines of text, random o/t links and then expands on it.

Drudge is the asshole engineer who promises results. Ace is the brilliant engineer who gets results, but not alone, with the subordinate but respected assistance of hundreds of specialized technicians.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 23, 2006 11:58 PM (QTv8u)

95 Wikedpinto
I have a list of sites I visit everyday. Ace is on it because he is funny and sometimes pornographic enough he keeps my attention after I leave work. Drudge is on ot because He picks the stories Fox won't link.

I played Doom when it came out and the next 4 incarnations never got too Half-life cause the crap between the two Fd up my computer more than I was willing to learn about fixing the problems.

You obviously don't like Drudge give me a link to a better site and you will have taken 20 hits from him per week. Remember I like my news either strange or pornographic

Posted by: Bill at September 24, 2006 12:13 AM (xuO5A)

96 About Babs' and her lack of a pantybra.

I first saw the pic on instapunk, and I forgot that, so I just clicked on it again as I rolled through my favorites list again. Now, It's almost DEFINATE that instapunk, was just having fun with photoshop, but if not, I gots to say this for babsy, she's old in her sixties, and I'm deeply disturbed by having ever seen her breasts, but while instapunk might have been having fun with photoshop, the basic lines look right.

Babs has "torpedo" tits, but it looks like she done gots herself some sweet sweet cheese nips attached to those extremely runny ostrich eggs.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 24, 2006 12:15 AM (QTv8u)

97 I don't mind him getting hits, and news is always to a taste, just start clicking shit on bloggers blogrolls and find out what you like. A lot of those "blogrolls" are actually news sites.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 24, 2006 12:17 AM (QTv8u)

98 Fuck, I can't believe I ignored the obvious. Pajama's has it's own news service, it's almost always in a commentary style, but PJ is big enough to cover just about every damn thing thanks to the likes of Insty, chuck, NZ , fuck I think Ace is PJ, so if you like getting the info, just start clicking around PJ's source site.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 24, 2006 12:23 AM (QTv8u)

99 That clicking on blog rolls is how I found Ace, Black five, IMAO and Antiidotianrotwiler. Michele Malkins blog roll is great. Skipped around PJ in the beginning but thought it was dull I'll try it again see if it's better.

Posted by: Bill at September 24, 2006 12:31 AM (xuO5A)

100 The moderate voice has an AWESOME blogroll.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 24, 2006 12:47 AM (QTv8u)

Posted by: someone at September 24, 2006 01:14 AM (LS1TS)

102 Wow, I'm like 6 for 6 on poorly typed posts today.

news site. News.

Posted by: someone at September 24, 2006 01:14 AM (LS1TS)

103 Someone? I think I have a sustained average of 1 thousand in my poorly typed comments.


Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 24, 2006 01:16 AM (QTv8u)

104 WHAT THE FUCK!!!

The Goddamn Raccon is, was doing it again!

Really! I DON'T smell like a garbage can, I'm kinda obsessive about it.

I think I am gonne have some sort of horrible suffering experience. Natures creatures are trying to commune with me.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 24, 2006 01:21 AM (QTv8u)

105 I'm gonna buy a digicam just so I can prove it sometime in the future, but prolly not, too lazy, and really not that interested. Not to mention I think that racoon is wearing tabi boots, so he must clearly be a ninja racoon, or at least well trained by valerie plame.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 24, 2006 01:23 AM (QTv8u)

106 Okay, WP, let's get something straight... drink or no drink, it's spelled "raccoon".

With love,

The Spelling Guru

Posted by: the spelling guru at September 24, 2006 01:42 AM (1oOYY)

107 heh, that was just a typo actually, not lazy spelling.

funny that with all my shitty spelling that one gets the first major grade.

Funny shit spelling.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 24, 2006 01:59 AM (QTv8u)

108 To Matt Drudge,
You got your scoop, thats all, and you fool those with the savvy of a drunk dog trying to pinch arianna huffingtons nipples, but while you have your place, you cannot protect it by ignoring others who have created a place for themselves.Since we have you to thank for posting links to the coolest pic pf Bab's tits (areola perfectly visible underneath the black fabric) looks like you have a bad mammary fixation today.

Actually, I don't know what all the bitching about Bab's tits is about. A perfect way to "expose the left" IMHO, sorta like Zombie's photos of all those huge-titted leftist hogs who march around naked in SF with "Breasts not Bombs" signs. It puts Babs in context.

Seriously, I just saw over at "Hot Air" a headline, "Outrage over Arizona 9/11 memorial ready to go nuclear?"

Jeeze, I hope so. Governor Napolitano absolutely needs this rammed down her throat. It's the most mendacious piece of leftist bullshit that an elected official has tossed at the American people in a long, long time.

Posted by: Redhand at September 24, 2006 02:12 AM (7G9b2)

109 Previous post was not-so-obviously directed to Wickedpinto. BTW, is the "Pinto" in your handle a horse or an exploding Ford car?

Posted by: Redhand at September 24, 2006 02:14 AM (7G9b2)

110 redhand,

My moniker is based on an experience I had when I was sixteen. I worked for a friend of the family, not worked, but I DID work and I was paid for it. This particular friend of the family had business plans so he wanted a lot of land, and he also had a large family, though his children were all grown, so he found a piece of property in a rural area and it was rather inexpensive. If you live in an urban area, or are a purely residential thinker, you would have never bought this house, however, the friend of the family bought what was a small junk yard.

In that junk yard there were cast iron stoves, that were very valuable in resale, in that junk yard there were perfect replacement body parts all over the place, there were exposed engines and such. The friend of the family hiered others to clear out enough space for his personal business (Dirt transportation oddly, DIRT! was his business, an interesting business plan but it worked as a reasonable off hours job that funded his retirement) Anyways, he was paying me 50 bucks a day, though it was prolly the 4th most physicaly exhausting job I have EVERY DONE IN MY LIFE (I was a Marine Mind you, and Marine was number 2) and he felt guilty for not being able to pay me more, when in fact I just loved the environment, I prolly woulda done it for free, cuz I'm that kinda guy. I'm one of those grey urban guys.(downtowners get the silver urban, the big buildings, the shiny towers, the great skyline, my kinda urban was was hazy and covered with soot, and the leftovers from the various local industries)

So, he felt guilty for paying me so little money, so he said he would give me a car, he had a lot of cars in his junk yard property that we were working at clearing out. Problem was the only car he knew ran properly was a Pinto, a pinto that was in great shape in body and interrior. The engine was a, I don't know if he said 3 or 5 cylinder mercede's diesel. I said "no." I didn't refuse his offer because a pinto was below me, but because I felt guilty that he felt guilty about not being able to pay me cuz Fuck, the guy was already paying me, and his wife would cook me lunch which ROCKED his wife ROCKED! and could cook maggot ass and make it taste like fucking Filet, and I just LOVED being out in the country looking at the scenery and doing something usefull. Also, I was only 16, so I also got to spend 2 hours on the road driving without being harrassed when I got home with "WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN" kinda shit. It was one of my first experiences of adultish freedom.

Back to the Pinto. I wouldn't have minded the pinto, it was one more aspect of freedom for myself, and it was offered as a payment, so I would have EARNED it, unlike most of my friends, and unlike myself at the time, but I was a young idealistic and compensatory kid, so the next time I was offered the pinto, (which he did damn near every day) I said, well, I will take the pinto, if I can buy an engine, I followed up with something like "you think you and pops can help me put a new engine in it?" I used the diesel as an excuse.

This friend of the family didn't have any sons, and you can tell that he LOVED the idea, and kinda didn't want my old man to be a part of it, he wanted to be a father figure and share something like changing engines with son figure. He said that we would discuss it, because, I didn't really wanna "take advantage" of the old man who was paying me "too much" in my opinion at the time, and in fact, even now, I would love to work for him everyday for the rest of my life, I was happy then, anyways. . . . .

We would continue to search the junkyard portion of his property and clear out the things that were valuable and prep them for resale, and I would ask about cars. Well, one time I pointed to a 1960's ford truck "how about that?! does that thing run?" he said "no" he said, "hows the engine, THAT one? that ones stock and it's perfect." "would it fit in the pinto?" "it would need a new tranny, and now THAT is on you!" and we both kinda laughed.

After that discussion with him, it became a practice between the two of us, while we BUSTED OUR ASSES EVERY DAY! to start to add parts from his junk yard to the pinto he wanted to give me.

Since the Ford Falcon is basicaly the same fram, the fenders would actually align with the wheel wells, the 302 from the 60's truck, and a random tranny. Every time we would walk past the pinto it was one more ridiculous joke about how GREAT that car could be if we could just get all of the best parts from the junkyard.

Then, I started to learn about some of the tech. "Viper" security systems were popular at the time, and ground effects. I started to describe the pinto with straight pipes, a 302 and an always active viper "Please step away from the pinto" whenever some little dicked mustang pulled up next to me.

Well, there is more, and the idea expanded a LOT, and it is one that is still open for discussion assuming I can understand it, but I am "wickedpinto" because about 17 years ago I was offered a car, and since then I have thought about the IDEA of that car.

(as an addition, I did own a 62 T-bird, and a 68 cougar, but that pinto is really my "wrongest" sense of automotive genius, one more thing, I found out only about a year and a half ago, that one of my second cousins actually used to dragrace a pinto)

So Wicked = Noreasterner "cool" as in "wickedawesome"

and pinto = "ford pinto"

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 24, 2006 02:57 AM (QTv8u)

111 I did not realize that that was so long, I'm sorry.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 24, 2006 02:57 AM (QTv8u)

112 OH! One more thing about that guy?

He is the only one I knew with a 1980's style "cell" phone, as in suitcase phone, and an LP sized laserdisc player, AND collector.

He is an AWESOME guy, the world will lose something valuable when he passes, in fact the world has already lost something because he only ever had one student (myself) rather than being introduced to his wonderful presence in a more broad context.

I count myself fortunate, that is why I'm not affraid of collegiates. I got to know men like Gary Ross.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 24, 2006 03:08 AM (QTv8u)

113 WP, many thanks for the story. Two of my sons are Marines (one current, one former), so I'm always happy to listen to a salty fellow like yourself. And thanks to all for the info. Goodness, the things I miss by going to bed at a reasonable hour ...

Re Drudge: I couldn't tell you the last time I checked his site. He seldom has anything that I can find better said elsewhere. But he's the great-granddaddy of us all - the guy who first used the Internet to break the big story that the MSM had spiked, and so changed the history of our nation. He's probably a jerk - so was his idol, Walter Winchell - but just because he's getting a little old and little dull doesn't mean that he deserves to be dissed.

Posted by: Brown Line at September 24, 2006 03:36 AM (oVJMX)

114 Brown Line.

Drudge is the the Lamprey who knows that most people never heard of news/usenets.

Drudge don't impress me, he was 5 years too late to fool me.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 24, 2006 03:40 AM (QTv8u)

115 In addition, I was in the Marine Corps, but I'm hardly salty. I served, and I remember, and while I did serve I did actually believe.

These men now? they are salty, their sweat wasn't from PT, their "salty cam's" aren't from "boots and utes" runs, but rather from battle.

I never experienced that. I just served, and I remembered and I learned, and I praise. That is my only accomplishment. Which is greater than 98.6% of this entire nation, in fact, I think that less than .6% of the entire nation had the nuts to join the Marines. But that is too arrogant.

Posted by: Wickepdinto at September 24, 2006 03:43 AM (QTv8u)

116 Two of my sons are Marines

Wow! thats awesome, what are they like when they get together? my big brother is AF, and we are brutal enough (playfuly) I can't imagine 2 Marine siblings in the same place at the same time. . . . . however, obviously one is a Wartime Marine, so prolly those meetings consist of the big bro huging the li'l and being thankful he's home, he's alive, and infinately proud like a father that li'l bro is honorable, and just like him.

I Might cry, You didn't even answer, but that is a BEAUTIFUL image.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 24, 2006 03:47 AM (QTv8u)

117 I'm breaking a major rule of empathy.

I asked a question, and now, I'm gonna bail. I will be back in a few hours haunting this blog. . . .but which wicked will you get?! the methmonkey? or the thoughtful me? or. . . .

Perhaps? The binky bitch.

I don't know, thats why I know I rock. TAKE THAT!

Actually, I'm just trying to apologize to brown for asking a question and then bailing. I think that that is a completely BITCH action.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 24, 2006 03:54 AM (QTv8u)

118 A bitch action ON MY PART. I keep fucking up important things, JESUS Wick, CRIMINY! CRIKEY! there isn't even a fucking crock in on the goddamn continent!

Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 24, 2006 03:57 AM (QTv8u)

119 FEELING OF INVIOBILITY LOST It was FELLING OF INVINCIBILITY LOST. But, if they are aiming for facutal, then they should inscribe FEELINGS OF LET'S NUKE THE BASTARDS NOW.

Posted by: at September 24, 2006 04:41 AM (cAdQp)

120 Wickedpinto...you kill me.

Posted by: Nice Deb at September 24, 2006 05:32 AM (9ftXk)

121 Personally, I've never had a felling of inviobility, whatever that may be.

Anybody know what's happened to PW? I hope I didn't break it.

Posted by: Dan Collins at September 24, 2006 06:08 AM (J46r2)

122 WP, they both served in Iraq. So they're even - though I'm sure that when Mom and Dad are out of the room, there's plenty of one-upsmanship.

As for your not seeing combat, remember what Milton wrote: "They also serve who only stand and wait."

See you anon ...

Posted by: Brown Line at September 24, 2006 06:09 AM (oVJMX)

123 Wickedpinto:

That was quite a story! You have a talent with words you shouldn't waste. You might wanna think about putting together a few short ones and see if you can get them published. Seriously.

I served in the Navy in the early 70s -- three years, no combat, either, never left the East Coast on our WWII reserve training destroyer. Most warlike thing I ever did was shoot its 5/38 guns at car bodies on Bloodsworth Island in the Chesapeake Bay. Still, I was proud to serve at a time when it was "unpopular" and I had a high draft number and didn't have to and all that.

Though nobody asked, "The Red Hand of Ulster is a traditional symbol of the clan whose name is mine. The symbol derives from a myth of two chieftans rowing in separate boats towards a shore. Their agreement was that the one who touched the shore first could claim the land as his kingdom. The losing chieftan cut off his hand and threw it ahead of the winning boat, thus claiming the land."

In outher words, go all out to win.

Posted by: Redhand at September 24, 2006 06:15 AM (7G9b2)

124 What's up with this line from that curricula?

"Terrorism can be defined as the use of force or threats of violence to intimidate or achieve a goal."

I ran it through my Moonbat Jive Pacifist Shit Translator™ and it said it translates as:

"use of force for any reason makes you a terrorist"

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 24, 2006 07:00 AM (ZVOjz)

125 Fox News has picked up the AZ memorial story.  "Weekend Live" started a few minutes ago with a blurb about it.

Posted by: Bugler at September 24, 2006 07:11 AM (oKQob)

126

Beat me to it Bugler, I was just going to type the same.  So, does Allah now bow down to Ace?  And will there be video?


Posted by: SJR at September 24, 2006 07:15 AM (OuGow)

127 An interesting bit from that PDF Nice Deb linked to above - it is stated that a document with the proposed text was circulated to the committee, and after the discussion about the random fact-checking:

"Cohn stated that there might be some additions to the text next week, but it would be in the middle column, the emotions portion. Wells commented that AHAC’s responsibility is to check the historical facts only, and therefore it would not be concerned about changes made to the emotional portion of the memorial."

So the "emotional" part was not "fact-checked," and may have been added to after the committee reviewed the proposed text.

Posted by: Bridget at September 24, 2006 07:23 AM (vh2bt)

128 Drudge: I remember he used to have a mailing list back in the glory days of usenet (1990-96). Mostly celebrity gossip, with some news commentary thrown in. $15 per year and that was one of the few internet thingies I was willing to spend money on.

Of course, that was before Drudge became DRUDGE.

Posted by: OregonMuse at September 24, 2006 07:39 AM (ICv7V)

129 It would be lovely if all those who are posting comments here would CALL the Governor's office to let her know how you feel.

The full mailing address is:
The Honorable Janet Napolitano
Governor of Arizona
1700 West Washington
Phoenix, Arizona 85007

Telephone (602) 542-4331
Toll Free 1-(800) 253-0883
Fax (602) 542-1381

Or you can contact her advisor Mike Haener at mhaener@az.gov.


Posted by: Rife at September 24, 2006 07:53 AM (IsoMV)

130 The Arizona Diamondbacks are now implicated. Rich Dozer is their owner, and seems to have a fondness for political donations to liberal democrats and John McCain

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 24, 2006 07:57 AM (ZVOjz)

131 The losing chieftan cut off his hand and threw it ahead of the winning boat, thus claiming the land."

In other words, go all out to win.


Redhand,

That's a kick ass story. Thanks for sharing that. Wikedpinto, good story also.

For what this site lacks in quality trolls, it more than makes up for with quality morons.

Posted by: Rosetta at September 24, 2006 08:37 AM (tYYBE)

132 The list of names you provided on the Arizona 9-11 Memorial Commission reads like a Who's Who of the Arizona Democrat Party. Some examples:

Crystal Allman works for the United Phoenix Fire Fighters, a union;
Benito Almanza is a supporter/contributor to the campaigns of Jim Bederson, Democrat candidate for U. S. Senate and Ed Pastor, U. S. Congressman;
Johnny Basha, son of Eddie Basha, probably the mose well-known Democrat in Arizona. Eddie Basha is an extremely successful businessman in Arizona, and you don't go anywhere in local Democrat politics without his tacit aproval. Johnny is a major supporter of Jim Pederson, who fails to mention in his campaign ads that he is/was the head of the Democrat Party in Arizona;
Jake Jacobsen is president of PLEA, the Phoenix Police union;
Ronnie Lopez is a political consultant and was the pase CEO of Chicanos Por La Causa. Mr. Lopez also served as the Chief of Staff for Democrat Bruce Babbitt when he served as Governor of Arizona and assisted in Babbitt's failed run for the presidency, and has served as Financial Chair for the Ed Pastor campaign;
Dianne Sanders works as an assistant to Governor Napolitano;
Billy Shields is president of the United Phoenix Firefighters, another union.

This information was gleaned from information available on Google.

Posted by: Murphy at September 24, 2006 08:55 AM (ayVXt)

133 I just posted this a newer thread, but FoxNews just had an interview with AZ state rep Russell Pearce (R), and he is really steamed about this pos "memorial".

Also Fox is saying that they will have more about this today on Weekend Live. Good.

Posted by: stace at September 24, 2006 09:02 AM (A56/D)

134 I support the memorial as it is. Let's not become P.C. worrywarts and get our panties in a bunch over a couple words we don't like.

Posted by: DR at September 24, 2006 09:27 AM (84Am8)

135 Ah Wicked, you had me chuckling thinking about what that Pinto would have looked like if you guys ever put your wicked plan into action.

Posted by: mesablue at September 24, 2006 09:43 AM (DzeyU)

136 DR, your support as is has absolutely no relevance or importance to me. It is cute though watching you attempt to minimize it to "a couple of unimportant words".

Did I say cute? I meant retarded.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at September 24, 2006 09:45 AM (mJUkl)

137 DR, that would be appeasement. When it comes to something like a 9-11 memorial -- No Fucking Way.

Tear the moonbat piece of shit down, put a nice little park in it's place and buid a suitable memorial somewhere else where the Hate America First crowd can get their smelly little hands on it.

Posted by: mesablue at September 24, 2006 09:48 AM (DzeyU)

138 obviously I meant -- can't

Posted by: mesablue at September 24, 2006 09:50 AM (DzeyU)

139 25.3% aluminum and 74.7% iron oxide. This mixture is sold under the brand name Thermit as a heat source for welding. It can be easily started using a magnesium ribbon.

Posted by: mcgurk at September 24, 2006 09:50 AM (2+QRy)

140 Mcgurk, it is also useful for perpetrating consipiracies by intentionally bringing down ginat skyscrapers.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: DaveS at September 24, 2006 09:58 AM (m/5FH)

141 mesablue, what you are advocating is terrorism.

Posted by: DR at September 24, 2006 10:12 AM (84Am8)

142 25.3% aluminum and 74.7% iron oxide.

Now, now, I think we should try good old uric acid before we get fancy.

Posted by: geoff at September 24, 2006 10:16 AM (Id2DF)

143 DR -- juicebox, now!

I'm not stupid enough to respond at your level.

Posted by: mesablue at September 24, 2006 10:23 AM (DzeyU)

144 What I am saying is that you are advocating intimidation and destruction of the memorial, which is what the terrorists would do. We should celebrate the memorial as a monument to free speech, and to freedom.

Posted by: DR at September 24, 2006 10:25 AM (84Am8)

145 DR, your attempt at sarcasm is pretty sad and inappropriate. If it's not sarcasm; it's even sadder.

Move along.

Posted by: mesablue at September 24, 2006 10:30 AM (DzeyU)

146 geoff, if I were there I'd be happy to christen it and see what happens.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at September 24, 2006 10:38 AM (mJUkl)

147 geoff, if I were there I'd be happy to christen it and see what happens.

So now an agenda is coming together:

12 - 2 pm: Drink copious amounts of beer
2 - 2:30 pm: Pay tribute to AZ 9/11 memorial
2:30 - ?: Significantly lighter in step, return to beer drinking

Repeat as desired

Posted by: geoff at September 24, 2006 10:41 AM (Id2DF)

148 Heh...we could do that for the next Salt River trip, Geoff, if they don't tear it down beforehand.

Posted by: Mr. Matamoros at September 24, 2006 11:51 AM (FODlD)

149 DR,

While you're out getting Mesablue's juicebox, be sure to grab me a beer.

Posted by: MikeZ at September 24, 2006 03:49 PM (CRG6u)

150 Whatever you say, Tommy.

Posted by: DR at September 24, 2006 07:05 PM (84Am8)

151 Hey wingnuts. Stop foaming at the mouth over a memorial. If you really feel so strongly about 9/11, enlist your asses and go fight in Iraq. Of course, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but you morons don't seem to get that.

Putzes.

Posted by: Thoms at September 25, 2006 03:47 AM (UEZq2)

152 Now, now, I think we should try good old uric acid before we get fancy.

There is never a good excuse not to use something that burns at 4532°F.

Posted by: Entropy at September 25, 2006 04:03 AM (m6c4H)

153 Hey wingnuts. Stop foaming at the mouth over a memorial. If you really
feel so strongly about 9/11, enlist your asses and go fight in Iraq. Of
course, Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, but you morons don't seem to
get that.


Ooohhh...original!

You got us with that one, Thoms!  We've never heard that sort of thing before, and we're just struck with the force of your arguments in favor of the monument.

Seriously, we're in awe here.  You can tell your little buddies at Kos or DU or Firedoglake or whatever swamp of Bush-hatred from which you emerged that you really stuck it to the wingnuts at ace's site.

KEEP ON SPEAKING TRUTH TO POWER, MAN!!!

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 04:18 AM (R8+nJ)

154 Thoms wrote:
Hey wingnuts. Stop foaming at the mouth over a memorial. If you really feel so strongly about 9/11, enlist your asses and go fight in Iraq.

More "wingnuts" have done so than any Commies/Progressives.

If you get off your lazy pot-smoking unemployed anti-war ass and volunteer to be a human shield protecting the oppressed masses from The Hegemony, you might prompt this fort... thirty-nineish Jewish mother of two to enlist.

So go for it, you worthless piece of shit.

Posted by: Sue Dohnim at September 25, 2006 04:27 AM (rE+jU)

155 More "wingnuts" have done so than any Commies/Progressives.

If you get off your lazy pot-smoking unemployed anti-war ass and volunteer to be a human shield protecting the oppressed masses from The Hegemony, you might prompt this fort... thirty-nineish Jewish mother of two to enlist.

So go for it, you worthless piece of shit.


That's why there's so many Iraq war veterans running for Congress as Republicans.

Oh, wait...

Posted by: scarshapedstar at September 25, 2006 04:47 AM (glUhi)

156 What, pray tell, is your point, penisshapedsphincter?

Posted by: Meekrob at September 25, 2006 04:49 AM (hR7ox)

157 I predict this whole ginned-up "outrage" will die down after 3 days.

Posted by: DR at September 25, 2006 04:58 AM (84Am8)

158
That's why there's so many Iraq war veterans running for Congress as Republicans.

Interesting argument.

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 05:03 AM (R8+nJ)

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 05:05 AM (R8+nJ)

160 That's why there's so many Iraq war veterans running for Congress as Republicans.

Sorry, your moonbat logic does not compute.

Try a Venn diagram with old power-hungry cocksuckers as Set 1 and Democrats as Set 2. I believe the mathematical term for the intersection is "fucking huge."

Posted by: Sue Dohnim at September 25, 2006 05:21 AM (rE+jU)

161 Sorry, Set 2 should be Democrat members of Congress.

Of course, Set 3, brave young men and women serving in Afghanistan and Iraq after 9/11, doesn't intersect at all with the first two sets.

You lose, troll. There's still time for you to drape yourself over a Mooj... I mean, an oppressed brown person... to catch all of the hegemonic imperialistic colonialism coming towards him in the form of small bits of metal.

Posted by: Sue Dohnim at September 25, 2006 05:29 AM (rE+jU)

162 Although I am a Republican and conservative, I have to agree with the lib; the vast majority of veterans running in 2006 are indeed Democratic.

Posted by: DR at September 25, 2006 05:33 AM (84Am8)

163 DR, you're about as Republican and conservative as your mother is virginal and chaste.

Posted by: Sue Dohnim at September 25, 2006 05:36 AM (rE+jU)

164 Although I am a Republican and conservative, I have to agree with the
lib; the vast majority of veterans running in 2006 are indeed
Democratic.


So?

What's your point?

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 05:42 AM (R8+nJ)

165 DR: Although I am a Republican and conservative, I have to agree with the lib; the vast majority of veterans running in 2006 are indeed Democratic.

That's because conservatives reenlist.

And A song to Another 'REAL' Republican.(wondered when I'd get to roll this out again)

Bud Light Presents, Real American Zeroes.
(Real American Zeroes)
Today, we salute you, Mr. 'REAL' Right wing Republican.
(Mr. Real Right wing Republican.)
When fake conservatives rejoice in the embarrassing downfall of a liberal politician, you shine the light of reality on them with your 'TRUE' Conservative talking points, and stand proudly above the unwashed masses.
(They're Hot off The Nation's presses)
When neocon pretenders to the GOP throne take over, you scowl at these Reagan Revolutionaries, and to show you're independant thinking, You declare, 'THIS IS NOT MY PARTY!
(Hey, look at me I'm TR)
If its tax cuts, you oppose them because they're 'only helping the rich.' You proudly stand in opposition to counterterror measures, and against the Zionist Conspiracy against the poor arabs. You then declare your support of more regulation, isolationism, and protectionism.
(I swear I'm not a liberal)
So crack open a cold one, Mr. 'REAL' Right wing Republican, because with your hard work, the Republican party will be the raging juggernaut it was during the Postwar era.
(Mr. 'REAL' Right Wing Republican)

Posted by: Sinistar at September 25, 2006 05:44 AM (GTXln)

166 My point is that the vast majority of men and women running as veterans in 2006 are indeed Democratic, not Republican.

Posted by: DR at September 25, 2006 05:51 AM (84Am8)

167 My point is that the vast majority of men and women running as veterans in 2006 are indeed Democratic, not Republican.

Yes, you said that already.

That's not a point - that's a statement.

What greater significance are you trying to draw from that?

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 05:53 AM (R8+nJ)

168 If any, I mean.

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 05:54 AM (R8+nJ)

169 That's not a point, that's a fact. What's your point? That Dems are anti-war? Shocking.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 25, 2006 06:01 AM (rnOZq)

170 The fact that the veterans running for Congress are Democratic speaks for itself!

Posted by: DR at September 25, 2006 06:02 AM (84Am8)

171 Curse you, Slu.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 25, 2006 06:02 AM (rnOZq)

172 No, it speaks to the fact that there are more Republicans in Congress, both houses, which we are keeping, and therefore more opportunity for Dems to challenge.

Why is this point not obvious to the left?

Posted by: JackStraw at September 25, 2006 06:04 AM (rnOZq)

173 The majority of veterans running for office are democrats because democrats place a higher emphasis on recruiting them because of what they are. They seek the moral authority.

They're allways running victims, or veterans, or minorities, to give them the appearance of speaking from those groups and to use those positions as shields to deflect criticism.

A democrat vet can say 'we need to retreat from Iraq right now', and if someone criticizes him as weak and dovish, he can shut down debate on the issue by bringing up his resume and saying 'I'm a veteran! Don't you call me weak, I was there! You weren't!'.

That doesn't mean crap. It's not substantial, it's emotional. Such is democrats.

While the majority of vets running for office run as democrats, the majority of vets and the majority of enlisted men vote republican.

Posted by: Entropy at September 25, 2006 06:07 AM (m6c4H)

174 The fact that the veterans running for Congress are Democratic speaks for itself!

It's important because it's important, then?

Nice.

The real question is, why does a 'conservative Republican' such as yourself seem so happy about that?

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 06:10 AM (R8+nJ)

175 I think it says that most people in the military think our Iraq policy is a failure and it needs a fresh perspective.

Posted by: DR at September 25, 2006 06:13 AM (84Am8)

176 DR:The fact that the veterans running for Congress are Democratic speaks for itself!





And yet you were giving us the 'REAL' Republican line a few minutes ago...abandoned that little construct pretty quickly, huh?

Posted by: Sinistar at September 25, 2006 06:13 AM (GTXln)

177 I think it says that most people in the military think our Iraq policy is a failure and it needs a fresh perspective.

Uh, huh.

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 06:15 AM (R8+nJ)

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 06:19 AM (R8+nJ)

179 Heh, nice Slubby.

Posted by: Sinistar at September 25, 2006 06:26 AM (GTXln)

180 I think you will find that the vast majority of the military privately thinks the Iraq war was a loss.

Posted by: DR at September 25, 2006 06:28 AM (84Am8)

181 I think you will find that the vast majority of the military privately thinks the Iraq war was a loss.

Your vast knowledge of the military gives you this insight, no doubt.

Buzz off, Moby.

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 06:30 AM (R8+nJ)

182 Iraq was full of kite-flying children before we illegally seized their democratically elected leader, who, BTW, didn't have to steal HIS election, because he received over 99% of the votes.

If Bush hadn't violated Casey Sheehan's civil rights by forcing him to volunteer, he could have saved the lives of thousands of Katrina victims.

Because, as any intelligent person knows, Halliburton was hired to blow up the levees. Which forced millions of stranded African-Americans to eat each other.

Posted by: DR the Conservative Republican at September 25, 2006 06:39 AM (Rz/5R)

183 DR, see if you can guess what I am thinking...privately.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 25, 2006 06:40 AM (rnOZq)

184 The true horror of Iraq is that the massive spending on weapons of war used to demolish a free healthcare system that, while it mainly consisted of a bullet to the head to cure all wounds and a free mass grave, was equally deficient toward everyone, has left the disparity of wealth and therefor, the disparity of freedom even greater.

I beleive in personal freedoms, and one cannot have the freedom to do what one wants unless one has free money to do so without considerations for the limitations of cost. But since one man's happiness is relative to anothers, the existence of free money is not nearly as important as the equality of it. All men, if given no money at all, will be equally happy and free.

All men are created equal, so no man is entitled to more of the money then anyone else, except for the people who obviously were born entitled to it like myself, who will take it all for you so that you may be relatively happy in your equal poverty. For the rest of you, as all true conservatives know, Power to the proletariat! Death to the bourgeoisie!

Posted by: The True Conservative Spirit of Leon Trotsky at September 25, 2006 06:51 AM (m6c4H)

185

DR,


Seriously, if you can pull yourself away from your liberal blogs, and trolling conservative ones, long enough, you should check out some of the Military blogs, if you want the proper perspective on what soldiers actually think.


 


Posted by: Nice Deb at September 25, 2006 07:04 AM (9ftXk)

186 Thoms wrote:
Hey wingnuts. Stop foaming at the mouth over a memorial. If you really feel so strongly about 9/11, enlist your asses and go fight in Iraq.

Sorry for the delay, but I was at work while Thomas was preaching, earning the tax money that pays for domestic terrorists, sorry, enlightened progressives like him to exist and teach the rest of us to accept points of view different from our own.

Thomas, On the afternoon of 09/11/01, I went to the AFEES Center here in Phoenix and tried to re-enlist. The E-6 recruiter and her O-3 supervisor both thanked me kindly, but they were adamant that at fifty years of age, in spite of my previous service and training, I was simply "too old" to be allowed to re-enlist, even in a Reserve or Guard unit.

My offer to Uncle Sam still stands: sign me up, put me back where I used to work or train me for another job, but allow me to serve again as I did before. I can still do the job, as can thousands of my brothers and sisters who saw service in the '60's, '70's and '80's.

Some of us still love and respect this nation and are willing to work off the debt we owe for our freedom and security.

Posted by: Murphy at September 25, 2006 07:37 AM (ayVXt)

187 Murph, you are one kick-ass mo fo. My hat is off to you, sir.

Posted by: Dogstar at September 25, 2006 07:40 AM (Rz/5R)

188 I think it cannot be said enough that the Iraq policy was a catastrophic failure. It will go down as one of the biggest mistakes in history. Most in the military feel this way, too, which is a good sign that they are not unthinking automatons.

Posted by: DR at September 25, 2006 07:58 AM (Se0QB)

189 You know, DR, repeating your statement does not strengthen it, nor does it make it more true.

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 08:02 AM (R8+nJ)

190 It's "ever get the feeling you've been cheated?"

Posted by: Knemon at September 25, 2006 08:10 AM (smlBI)

191 Most in the military feel this way, too ...

And you know this how exactly?

Posted by: Meekrob at September 25, 2006 08:12 AM (hR7ox)

192 It needs to be said over and over again. But, perhaps this thread is not the right one for it. This topic is about remembering those lost as a result of 9/11 and its aftermath.

Posted by: DR at September 25, 2006 08:14 AM (Se0QB)

193 It needs to be said over and over again.

Sure.  All 'real conservatives' should repeat Kos talking points.

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 08:16 AM (R8+nJ)

194 Meekrob, I have seen the latest poll showing that most -- about 71% -- in the American military serving in Iraq want to cut and run by December.

They believe the Americans cannot achieve anything more militarily in Iraq. They believe the mission is unclear and that there were not enough resources to complete the mission.

Personally, I think they should stay until the job is done.

Posted by: DR at September 25, 2006 08:17 AM (Se0QB)

195 Meekrob, I have seen the latest poll showing that most -- about 71% --
in the American military serving in Iraq want to cut and run by
December.


Cite.

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 08:19 AM (R8+nJ)

196 Would that be the Zogby poll?

Paid for by the "Center for Peace and Global Studies?"

That poll, perhaps?

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 08:23 AM (R8+nJ)

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 08:26 AM (R8+nJ)

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 08:26 AM (R8+nJ)

199 And let's not forget here.

Oh, and here.

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 08:32 AM (R8+nJ)

200 Present them.

I call BS. Shenanigans. Show me the poll. Utter BS.

Posted by: Entropy at September 25, 2006 08:38 AM (m6c4H)

201 I think some research will show you that 70% of the troops think the military is engaged in a losing effort and want to cut and run by December.

Posted by: DR at September 25, 2006 08:59 AM (Se0QB)

202 I did the research, and found one poll.

One.

By Zogby, and paid for by a peace center.  Some legitimate questions have been raised about this poll and its methods.

Try again, Moby.

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 09:01 AM (R8+nJ)

203 DR...

Considering that reenlistment rates exceed targets (especially in units that have served in combat) you base that wild ass statement on what exactly?

Posted by: Drew at September 25, 2006 09:10 AM (Y2fNF)

204 This topic is about remembering those lost as a result of 9/11 and its aftermath.

Which is exactly why the statements on the AZ memorial are out of place. Using those deaths to make political statements - even balanced political statements - is grotesque.

Posted by: geoff at September 25, 2006 09:13 AM (Id2DF)

205 So, we should not memorialise the victims of America's response to 9/11?

Posted by: DR at September 25, 2006 09:27 AM (Se0QB)

206 The "veterans running for office" thing is interesting. Here are the stats (pulled from a CSM article earlier this year that I don't have time to look up again):

.............................Democrat...........Republican

Veterans Running..."about 50"..............34
Iraq Vets Running........10.....................1

They didn't single out the Afghanistan vets.

Posted by: geoff at September 25, 2006 09:30 AM (Id2DF)

207 So, we should not memorialise the victims of America's response to 9/11?

In a 9/11 memorial? No. Especially when "victims of America's response" is so ill-defined, unless you're a liberal.

Posted by: geoff at September 25, 2006 09:32 AM (Id2DF)

208 DR: It needs to be said over and over again. But, perhaps this thread is not the right one for it. This topic is about remembering those lost as a result of 9/11 and its aftermath.



I love this line, can we say...these are not the droids you're looking for.

Posted by: Sinistar at September 25, 2006 09:33 AM (GTXln)

209 It's clear we've got ourselves a Moby here.

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 09:35 AM (R8+nJ)

210 DR is a complete troll. I think we've thouroughly exhausted his points and now he's repeating himself.

Posted by: Entropy at September 25, 2006 09:37 AM (m6c4H)

211 geoff, you are free to disagree, but I believe that a 9/11 memorial should not just memorialise the victims of a span of 4 hours, but also the victims claimed in the aftermath. The men and women whose lives were claimed as a result of being in a wedding party in Afghanistan or because of the color of their skin here at home were killed because as a result of 9/11 and not some irrelevant event.

Therefore I think it is very appropriate, and necessary, to memorialise the victims of these events, as they are all 9/11 victims in the end.

Posted by: DR at September 25, 2006 09:37 AM (Se0QB)

212 <blockquote>So, we should not memorialise the victims of America's response to 9/11?</blockquote>

DR...I've seen a lot of dumb things posted in blog comments before but congratulations on raising the bar for everyone.  It'll be along time (or your next post) before that level of stupidity is matched (I doubt it can't be exceeded but I am sure you'll try).

And no my lack of serious response isn't because your logic is so foolproof but rather because it's so foolish.

Posted by: Drew at September 25, 2006 09:39 AM (Y2fNF)

213 So, DR.  What did you think of the questions raised about the Zogby poll you sort of cited earlier?

Do you agree that poll questions should have an 'all or nothing' approach to opinion, or should more options be given to determine how people truly feel?

This was not a truly random sample, so how do you take that into account when you read the poll's results?

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 09:39 AM (R8+nJ)

214 Slubbo, give it up. The guys a liberal troll, I'm done feeding him.

Posted by: Sir Roderick Ponce von Fontlebottom the Magnificent Bastard at September 25, 2006 09:46 AM (GTXln)

215 It is easier to paint me as a liberal or a troll than to accept the truth that all of us are victims of 9/11 -- and more importantly, that the victims are not restricted to that 4 hour span that tragic day.

Posted by: DR at September 25, 2006 09:50 AM (Se0QB)

216 My word.

I cannot believe we ever thought you were a conservative.

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 09:58 AM (R8+nJ)

217 Don't think I'm strange or anything but DR seems like a SIM. It has no real point or argument. It's like someone has typed in sentences and is just pasting them into the comments section.

Do I need a nap?

Posted by: PTR at September 25, 2006 09:59 AM (3Sjov)

218 So, we should not memorialise the victims of America's response to 9/11?

Posted by DR at September 25, 2006 02:27 PM

Sure, let's change all of the Holocaust memorials around the nation to sympathetically mention Dresden, Berlin, and other German targets while we're at it.

Dumb ass.

Posted by: Sue Dohnim at September 25, 2006 10:01 AM (rE+jU)

219 DR, take all of the Chomsky books you're reading, turn them sideways, and stick them straight up your stupid Moby ass.

Posted by: Sue Dohnim at September 25, 2006 10:03 AM (rE+jU)

220 Ouch!

Posted by: DR's Ass at September 25, 2006 10:08 AM (cAdQp)

221 I feel my arguments in favor of memorialising ALL 9/11 victims have won the day. All I'm getting in opposition of my ideas are personal attacks. It shows my ideas are stronger than yours, and it shows in the wonderful, life-affirming memorial in Arizona that affirms Sikh-Americans and victims of American response as victims of 9/11.

We are all in this together, and I am so thankful that the memorial shows this in a fair, balanced and compassionate way.

Posted by: DR at September 25, 2006 10:12 AM (Se0QB)

222 Oh. DR is drunk! Cool. I say stupid things when I drink too.

Posted by: PTR at September 25, 2006 10:17 AM (3Sjov)

223 Yikes.

That made me want to puke.  How about the rest of you?

DR, you have no ideas.  You throw out unsubstantiated claims, then refuse to respond when the rest of us counter that with legitimate questions and citations.

And you say you've "won the day?"

Don't stop believin', man.

Don't stop believin'.

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 10:18 AM (R8+nJ)

224 I wish!

Posted by: DR at September 25, 2006 10:19 AM (Se0QB)

225 My previous comment was to PTR. I could use some PBR...

Posted by: DR at September 25, 2006 10:20 AM (Se0QB)

226 I feel my arguments in favor of memorialising ALL 9/11 victims have won the day.

Now THAT is some seriously funny shit right there.  I mean, I try to make jokes and get some laughs, but, dude, that was AWESOME!  You owe me a screen-cleanig for that shit. 

Seriously, netiquette requires that you give a warning before posting riotously funny shit like that. 

Posted by: wiserbud at September 25, 2006 10:23 AM (AQGeh)

227 "It is easier to paint me as a liberal or a troll"

No DR it's eaiser to paint you as an ass.

"All I'm getting in opposition of my ideas are personal attacks."

You are also getting laughed at.  I'd be willing to debate the merits of your 'ideas but you won't. If you were willing to do that you'd have answered slublog's questions about the pol lupthread a long time ago.  You didn't defend your assertions, just moved on to the next dumb statement. Act like a troll, get treated like one.

Posted by: Drew at September 25, 2006 10:24 AM (Y2fNF)

228 Slub, I believe that my ideas -- and the wonderful memorial in Arizona -- have won the day, because the arguments against memorialising ALL the victims of 9/11 have degenerated into personal attacks and right-wing bias.

As a conservative, I commend the memorial for taking a fair and balanced -- and yes, some may say critical -- look at the hurt 9/11 caused not just the 3,000 victims but also to all Americans and people 3,000 miles away at a wedding party.

We are all victims, and I believe the memorial shows this very respectfully. I think it is time we stopped feigning outrage over the memorial and started focusing on how to promote peace and understanding between people, cultures and nations, so we can prevent another series of tragedies from happening.

Posted by: DR at September 25, 2006 10:25 AM (Se0QB)

229
As a conservative,

{Hmph} Okay, okay, slow down here.  {hmph}


We are all victims,


Here it comes...{snicker, hmph}

the memorial shows this very respectfully.

Almost there...  {giggle, snicker}

focusing on how to promote peace and understanding between people, cultures and nations,

BWAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA

{inhaaaaaaaaaaaaallleee}

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA...

Wooo, {sniff}  man, that was fucking classic, dude.   Holy shit, my sides are KILLING me..... Dude, seriously, where in the hell did you come from?  You are hilarious!!!

Posted by: wiserbud at September 25, 2006 10:32 AM (AQGeh)

230 Okay, who's doing the DR MobyChomskybot thing? This has got to be the calmest recital of leftist anti-American talking point garbage I've ever seen, and no true Leftist can keep it together this long.

Come on, 'fess up guys, which one of you is doing this?

Posted by: Sue Dohnim at September 25, 2006 10:33 AM (rE+jU)

231 Oh, by the way, I believe that I have won the day.

So there.  Nyah.

Posted by: wiserbud at September 25, 2006 10:34 AM (AQGeh)

232 DR, I'm going to say this as gently as I know how.

You're full of shit.

I am a conservative.  I spend time on conservative blogs and read some conservative publications.  I have been doing so for years.  In all that time, I have never seen a conservative use the phrase "Bushbots" to describe his fellow conservatives, or use the phrase "right wing bias" to describe the beliefs of people on his own side, supposedly.

So please, give up the pretense.

Posted by: Slublog at September 25, 2006 10:35 AM (R8+nJ)

233 We are all victims...

There you have it. Half the liberal mindset right there.

Of course DR never addressed our objections, implicitly claiming instead that the objectionable quotes somehow were a tribute to victims of the GWoT. That, of course, is untrue in a very obvious way.

But I tell you what, DR. I'll contribute to a fund for a Innocent-victims-of-the-GWoT memorial, if you'll contribute to a fund for the Innocent-victims-of-radical-Islam memorial. If we contribute according to the number of victims, my contribution will be dwarfed by yours. That ought to go well with your generous spirit.

Posted by: geoff at September 25, 2006 10:35 AM (Id2DF)

234 So I guess that every memorial has to pass your jingoist-nationalist war-monger tests before it can be installed, huh?

The quotes weren't war-like or war-pornish enough for you? Perhaps they should only have a video loop of people dying over and over again, so you can have your wargasm and start more unnecessary wars based on lies?

You Bush-licking sycophants are hilarious in your bug-eyed, frantic and boiling anger over anything related to tolerance, 'moral relativism' (aka tolerance), or any other even-handed, non-reactionary action.

For you, the only reaction is violence. Let's kill them all!

Go torture someone and let off some steam, you fratboys!

Posted by: Shorter Rightwing Arseholes at September 25, 2006 10:39 AM (ZjGP1)

235 Okay, who's doing the DR MobyChomskybot thing? This has got to be the calmest recital of leftist anti-American talking point garbage I've ever seen, and no true Leftist can keep it together this long.

Come on, 'fess up guys, which one of you is doing this?

I haven't said anything, because he could just be posting from another location like work now or something...but DR's IP tag did change, right about the time he started to get more obviously leftist.

I was checking to see if he might not be Wells, he's not. At first I thought he might, but after the IP tag changed he's gone way too lefty for Well.

It's probably Amish. Bastard.

Posted by: Entropy at September 25, 2006 10:39 AM (m6c4H)

236 wiserbud, what's so funny about Peace, Love, and Understanding?

Our Lord and Saviour would be proud of this fine, bridge-building memorial that honors His message of Faith, Hope and Love.

Posted by: DR at September 25, 2006 10:44 AM (Se0QB)

237 Need to introduce DR to shorter. Shorter's much better with the rant and has all the "bug eyed", "boiling anger" stuff down. Dr's just a newbie. Awww... little Dr.

Posted by: PTR at September 25, 2006 10:47 AM (3Sjov)

238 wiserbud, what's so funny about Peace, Love, and Understanding?

LOL!

PLUR PLUR PLUR. A fucking Ecstacy-popping raver claiming to be a conservative Republican.

Hey DR Chomskybot, tell me, do you feel it's a good idea to change the Pearl Harbor memorial to equivocate that December morning in 1941 with the atomic bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, firebombing of Tokyo, internment of Japanese-Americans, and other "victims of the aftermath" as opposed to just the "victims of those tragic 4 hours?"

Posted by: Sue Dohnim at September 25, 2006 11:02 AM (rE+jU)

239 wiserbud, what's so funny about Peace, Love, and Understanding?


I prefer My Aim is True, but hey, to each his own.

And now you want to bring "Our Lord and Saviour" into the discussion?  Priceless!!  Although, I must admit, your really not making me believe in the character, man.  I mean, you are starting to kind of lose the whole inner conciousness of the part, ya know what I'm sayin'?

Please, could you call yourself a conservative again.  That was, like the best shit ever!



Posted by: wiserbud at September 25, 2006 11:10 AM (AQGeh)

240 Shorty wrote:

So I guess that every memorial has to pass your jingoist-nationalist war-monger tests before it can be installed, huh?

Yes.


For you, the only reaction is violence. Let's kill them all!

Go torture someone and let off some steam, you fratboys!

How are you still alive and unmolested? Post again so we can record your IP and dispatch the Rovian Stormtroopers. Unless you're wearing your shiny hat, of course. The Reynolds Wrap makes you invisible to the Rovian Stormtrooper Ultrarightwingnut VisoGoggles, you know.

Posted by: Sue Dohnim at September 25, 2006 11:11 AM (rE+jU)

241 The Reynolds Wrap makes you invisible to the Rovian Stormtrooper Ultrarightwingnut VisoGoggles, you know.

Or so I want them to believe...

Mwaaaa-hahahaahahaaaaaaaa...........

Posted by: Karl Rove at September 25, 2006 11:14 AM (AQGeh)

242 Mr. Sue Dohnim, (clever)

I think it is very appropriate to memorialise the victims of U.S. terrorism in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and I would welcome an addition to the Pearl Harbor memorial that remembered the victims of the terrorist attacks visited upon the innocent men, women, children and babies of the two mentioned cities.

Posted by: DR at September 25, 2006 11:24 AM (Se0QB)

243
I think it is very appropriate to memorialise the victims of U.S. terrorism in Hiroshima and Nagasaki,

Bzzzt. 
We have confirmation.  Either this is a pretty lousy excuse for a leftard troll or it is someone having some fun with us.

Come on...fess up...which one is it? 

Posted by: wiserbud at September 25, 2006 11:31 AM (AQGeh)

244

DR, lets talk like regular people.


What's your first name DR? I'd like to call you by that. Because DR sounds like dear, and R sounds like hog, so I feel like I'm calling you dear hog and I don't want to be insulting.


I'll just call you Timmy, ok Timmy?


Posted by: Entropy at September 25, 2006 12:41 PM (Uh5fR)

245 LOL! Like Mike, this troll can't handle the idea of being slapped around by a female, so he's cast me as a penis owner.

Well, I do own one. I've got the papers for it and everything. I just let the hubby wear it for the sake of convenience.

Posted by: Sue Dohnim at September 25, 2006 02:39 PM (tnsUn)

246 Again, the personal attacks from the less thoughtful among us conservatives show that support for the Arizona memorial -- which all of the 9/11 families have approved, by the way -- has won the day.

Now watch the blogosphere drop this non-story and move on to something new. Like the war on x-mas. Or the evils of Harry Potter.

Posted by: at September 25, 2006 08:16 PM (84Am8)

247

us conservatives


Very funny


which all of the 9/11 families have approved, by the way...


You might want to cite your source on that one.


support...has won the day.


You wish.


Like the war on Christmas. Or the evils of Harry Potter.


You're not mocking "us conservatives" are you?


 


Posted by: Nice Deb at September 26, 2006 06:37 AM (9ftXk)

Posted by: Sue Dohnim at September 26, 2006 08:49 AM (rE+jU)

249 Somebody should sell t-shirts printed with BOMB THEM BACK at the pseudo-memorial.

Posted by: Bernard at September 26, 2006 08:57 AM (2SrHR)

250 Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and I {DR} would welcome an addition to the Pearl Harbor memorial that remembered the victims of the terrorist attacks visited upon the innocent men, women, children and babies of the two mentioned cities.

You'd be okay with expanding the descriptions on the adjacent memorial to include the victims in Nanking, the victims on the Korean Peninsula during the occupation, mention of the Bataan death march, and characterization of the Kamikazi pilots as being 'duped into death'

..... right?

Posted by: BumperStickerist at September 26, 2006 09:03 AM (PcDvW)

251 Absolutely, yes.

Posted by: DR at September 26, 2006 06:38 PM (84Am8)

252 I just don't have anything to say , but shrug. So it goes. Not much on my mind recently. I can't be bothered with anything recently.

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Posted by: Sten86590 at March 20, 2007 10:32 PM (n99JB)

256 Basically nothing noteworthy happening right now, but eh. Today was a complete loss. I haven't been up to much recently. I've pretty much been doing nothing worth mentioning.

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