August 01, 2008
— Ace Finally. We're being heard.
If my comments caused any harm or hurt to the hard working Americans who play Dungeons & Dragons, I apologize. This campaign is committed to increasing the strength, constitution, dexterity, intelligence, wisdom, and charisma scores of every American.
I think he meant to make that crack about Rifts or Vampire or some gay-wad game anyway.
what alignment is Barack Obama?
I think that's right.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at August 01, 2008 10:59 AM (B+qrE)
Posted by: toby hussein 928 at August 01, 2008 11:00 AM (evdj2)
speaking of which,
what alignment is Barack Obama?
Posted by: BumperStickerist at August 01, 2008 11:03 AM (UeP9e)
Posted by: someone at August 01, 2008 11:03 AM (2z2WN)
Posted by: brak at August 01, 2008 11:04 AM (RP9T7)
Well played Mr. Goldfarb.
Posted by: Eleven at August 01, 2008 11:05 AM (7DB+a)
Obama could solve the energy crisis by simply casting lightning bolts into a power line.
Posted by: EC at August 01, 2008 11:10 AM (mAhn3)
Posted by: Brass at August 01, 2008 11:12 AM (v/Ofr)
Should say "not Car Wars."
Posted by: Brass at August 01, 2008 11:13 AM (v/Ofr)
In order to cast the World Racial Healing spell you need to be a 6525th level Cleric.
Posted by: Warden at August 01, 2008 11:17 AM (ns3Vg)
Heh heh heh heh heh!
(If you don't get it, watch this awesomest video.)
Posted by: Qwinn at August 01, 2008 11:50 AM (MN787)
Posted by: Hal at August 01, 2008 11:51 AM (Z2pZ2)
I think this calls for an update to Ace's post about what each candidate's D&D character is.
Barring that, D & D characters for some of the cretins in the House and Senate.
Posted by: Curmudgeon at August 01, 2008 12:20 PM (ujg0T)
Posted by: Hal at August 01, 2008 12:35 PM (Z2pZ2)
Posted by: ECM at August 01, 2008 12:49 PM (q3V+C)
Posted by: Hal at August 01, 2008 01:11 PM (Z2pZ2)
Posted by: Stinky Esposito at August 01, 2008 04:33 PM (MMC8r)
Heh. I don't know what the hell you people are talking about, but Goldfarb wins with teh funy.
And yes, I went there.
Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at August 01, 2008 04:35 PM (sI5Ho)
Posted by: mr.frakypants at August 01, 2008 06:20 PM (ZA24H)
Posted by: Walt Gilbert at August 19, 2008 01:36 AM (avlOq)
Posted by: fruhmann at August 19, 2008 08:00 AM (jkM7A)
Posted by: Seth at August 19, 2008 09:57 AM (qNf5D)
Posted by: Dreggas at August 19, 2008 10:24 AM (6fREP)
Posted by: 4chan.org at August 19, 2008 10:31 AM (jfe0a)
Posted by: TheMadChild at August 19, 2008 10:34 AM (Nup+R)
Posted by: Devilham at August 19, 2008 12:25 PM (PtxFX)
Posted by: sandy burger at August 19, 2008 01:15 PM (VC56G)
Not really someone who should be allowed to play the "cool guy picking on nerds" card.
Posted by: Jay Greeley at August 19, 2008 01:42 PM (138q0)
I thought this crap ended in the 80s... yes I RPG (table top and Computer) I'm also a professional (Engineer) and own two small businesses. I also own part of an RPG publishing company... Wow, thanks McCain Staffer. I still don’t know who I was going to vote for yet, but I’m willing to bet you lost some votes. Funny Obama had a table at both of the major RPG conventions this year, I did not see one McCain sign, nothing…
If you don't reach out, how do you expect us to join you? sad
Posted by: PedroB at August 20, 2008 09:54 AM (9Pxns)
then again, that +4 could just as easily serve a rogue of the Basketball Furies with 15 ranks in bluff.
I'm willing to take my chances.
Posted by: thecoldcowboy at August 20, 2008 10:42 AM (I/o9X)
I don't know what level he is but he has cast stoneskin and mind fog (clinton dodging sniper fire).
Posted by: bloatbag at August 20, 2008 03:35 PM (cMC6F)
So let me get this straight,
This Gold-whatever douche calls gamers unamerican (in as many words), gets called on it, makes a lame ass apology (for picking a group that can be nasty if provoked), and now it's all hunky dory again?
Sorry, but he meant it the first time. Any of you who think otherwise are deluded. Say, if I make a silly gamer joke after calling you a nazi, are we cool?
Posted by: Donny_the_DM at August 20, 2008 06:03 PM (xY88p)
Posted by: d&d_demographic at August 20, 2008 10:44 PM (lQV5+)
Does anyone else have huge problems with the fact that the original comment was posted on the offical blog, but the only place anyone can fine the apology is on comment sections for other blogs, similar to this one?
I mean, seriously this move was the equivalent to saying, "The Pro-Obama supporters are a bunch of welfare gathering n******" Because lets be honest, and I'd do the exact same thing, alot of the african-americans who are voting for Obama are doing it because he's a black guy. Alot, not all by any means.
I served my country, spilling my blood, and giving up any sense of self preservation because I was part of what I believed to be the greater good. I work extremly hard for my money, and I feel that I know what is best to do with my money. I own my home, can afford to own and drive 2 cars (not an easy feat anymore) and a daily commute of 72 miles a day. I am white, I am male, I am what is most commonly found to be a supporter of the Republican party, and the policies of said party.
I am also an avid DnD nerd, have a rather large collection of Warhammer 40K material, and play WoW. I am a gamer.
This insult that he threw out there was extremely offensive, and the most offensive part of it all is nobody has the testicular fortitude to make a public apology, or at the very least post it on the John McCain blog, where the insult came from.
Go Obama, at least he has the common sense to not call me a loser to my face when his future is in my hands.
Posted by: Thomas at August 20, 2008 10:54 PM (sboMk)
Posted by: MunDane at August 21, 2008 08:14 AM (Meq0P)
Now let me get back to worshipping satan and badmouthing veterans, like all us D&D nerds do...
Posted by: Micah at August 21, 2008 09:00 AM (zPRTA)
I'm a Canadian and would prefer Obama to McCain even though Obama wants to rework free trade, something that would hurt the US greatly, Canada can sell it's oil to other country's and our energy as well.
Posted by: Cherub at August 21, 2008 10:32 AM (cCN/F)
Most. Awesome. Comments. Thread. EVER.
McCain and his staffers are all natural 20 assholes.
Posted by: ay1ene at August 21, 2008 12:14 PM (YmQkS)
"Nobody gives a fuck what you think."
There's that awesome approach at foreign policy that we've come to expect from the ol' US of A.
Posted by: ersatz at August 21, 2008 01:08 PM (weI1L)
Posted by: Choronzon at August 21, 2008 03:25 PM (nHNqe)
Go take a pill of chilling (+7 for each bag of weed you have in your giant bag of weed holding)
God I hate you guys.
Posted by: Joe at August 21, 2008 04:13 PM (OvwPd)
And you fuck your sister.
Posted by: Thomas at August 21, 2008 09:37 PM (sboMk)
yeah, because if there's anything Jon Stewart and The Deciders have taught me is that "satire" only works when lefties call Republicans Nazis non-stop for 30 weeks. But the moment a lame GOPer makes a crack, it's "out of bounds".
Posted by: eddiebear at August 21, 2008 09:59 PM (WMcja)
Stop casting magic missile to attack the darkness…
I make a Saving Throw against your Stupid, eddiebear...
The only people I hear pooping on Godwin's Law (look it up) is distraught right-wingers, like when they talk about the ACLU (except when they find their encumbrance overwhelmed by Magic Bags O’ Oxycontin, eh Rush?)
Do you know what the problem is? It's just most rightwingers have a -5000 Bucket of Humor... remember FoxNews comedy half hour... +5000 Bucket of Fail...
I love where this tiff has gone... yeah, good job McCainiacs, piss off the nerds. See what happens to your interwebz...
Posted by: RppPolyp at August 22, 2008 08:37 AM (75SUz)
Last time I checked, Jon Stewart isn't attached to any presidential campaign. Goldfarb made those comments on the official campaign blog, and thus was acting as the voice of McCain. I imagine McCain approves those posts before they hit the website.
For the record, I am a gamer. I don't play Dungeons and Dragons. But Goldfarb's comments were a slap in the face to not just D&D players, but to all gamers. I don't know if I'm voting for Obama yet, but I'm not voting for McCain if he let that kind of commentary slide on his official site for even a millisecond. I didn't agree with a lot of his platform before, but this was the nail in the coffin.
~Pissed-Off Gamer Chick
P.S. The offending post is still on the McCain blog, even if it doesn't show up on the front page.
P.P.S. Yes, there are girls on the Internet. Deal with it.
Posted by: Rini at August 23, 2008 12:17 PM (5Yyed)
It's amazing that a former military guy who wants to be connected to current military guys would let this slide through his page. Most every military base of any consequential size in this country has a game store within 5 blocks of it's front gate. Wargamers are all pro-military in my experience.
McCain wants to be in touch, wants to be Seen in touch. Alienating a small, but motivated, intelligent and likely affluent minority is dumb. This is reinforcing the notion that McCain and by extension the GOP is out of touch with regular Americans. Even if they hang out in basements.
The campaign and the blog would be better served with more nerds and less trolls. Goldfarb, or whoever, is obviously a gamer and worse the self loathing kind, employing him is bad enough. Letting him speak is enough to alienate the rest of nerdom. That's bad strategy followed by cute but inefective tactics.
But hey, like my old Master Gunns used to say; A bad plan executed poorly is better than no plan at all.
Posted by: adam at August 25, 2008 05:10 PM (56jMy)
Posted by: Carlos at August 29, 2008 07:36 AM (dgjc7)
Posted by: Ordos at August 29, 2008 11:48 AM (PQlme)
The alignment of McCain doesn't come up here. I think he's Wrinkly Hidebound, unless that is the name of British childrens Show character.
As to his apology, it's a wonk fest. Used the right terms to show he's played the game but... Goldfarb is still the sonuvabitch who was looking for any mud he could find to throw at Obama, and he decided WE were dirty enough to be used...
Fuck him. And if McCain can't or won't can his ass, Fuck McCain too.
Posted by: Oddzball at August 29, 2008 06:50 PM (MzY44)
Can him? Seriously? It's bad enough people in the spotlight lose their jobs over a single non-pc remark about gays/women/mexicans/asians/blacks/whatevers but now that extends to gamers too?
People have opinions. 300 years ago, politicians and orators were known for their opinions. They vigorously defended them. Now you get a bunch of bobbing heads who are so afraid to fall out of line they'll call a press conference and apologise if they breathe the wrong way.
It wasn't the nicest thing to write, no, but certainly not worth losing a job over.
Posted by: Elisabeth at August 29, 2008 11:33 PM (WW1MT)
Not worth losing a job over?
Opinions are great, but we're not looking for Goldfarb's opinions.
If I went to my local grocery store, and the checker insulted me like this idiot has done, I'd expect him to be terminated.
It's not about political correctness, it's about customer service - those with poor skills shouldn't be working there.
Posted by: Brian at August 30, 2008 04:53 AM (j2kUI)
They just want our oil and water, and to imprison our citizens without charge for as long as they like in gitmo. Oh, and blame us for 9/11, question arctic sovereignty (in defiance of international law).
Oh, and they do want our troops dying in Afghanistan, and they applied ungodly pressure to get us into Iraq (which thank god we avoided - to great political cost).
And they crushed our beef trade (and covered up their own BSE), crushed our softwood lumber, are crushing our salmon fisheries etc etc.
Yeah, its very true, our opinions are irrelevant to our neighbours to the south.
Posted by: dominic at August 30, 2008 08:30 AM (nOoWu)
<< Can him? Seriously? It's bad enough people in the spotlight lose their jobs over a single non-pc remark about gays/women/mexicans/asians/blacks/whatevers but now that extends to gamers too? >>
Seriously. Goldfarb isn't a gamer, he's a paid staffer who insulted both Senator Obama and gamers in his article.
If McCain can't deal with the screw ups who work for him and put him into these situations, he's proven he's not fit to take the office.
Posted by: Oddzball at August 31, 2008 12:57 AM (MzY44)
This is simple common sense, and I second the folks saying that he ought to have lost his job over it. I did my time in customer service, and the first thing you learn is that if you're representing something bigger that yourself, you had had better be pleasant, and you had better be polite. If he can't figure that out and watch his tongue, he has no business being an official public spokesperson for somebody who is running for President of this country.
Posted by: Asidian at August 31, 2008 02:34 AM (X5I7O)
Don't get me wrong, I think the entire comment came off entirely douche-y but I honestly don't believe he meant anything genuinely malicious. Let's face it, at the very least, he's familiar enough with American gaming culture to know that it does often lean to the left side of the political scale (although in my experience, its usually about 60/40, but my unscientific findings might not apply everywhere) and has enough understanding of what the typical person thinks of the stereotypical gamer... So of course, he'll use it.
It was a joke. That's all. Maybe it was tasteless but it wasn't really anything cruel. As a gamer, I rolled my eyes at the original comment. But to think he should loose his job over it is silly. And to even suggest the comment he made as bad as a racist comment? That's offensive.
And for the record? I've voting Bob Barr, not John McCain. But with all the shit that's going down in the world... This is a rather meaningless thing, in the large picture. Listen to the voice of reason people... Fundamentalism is dangerous, regardless of its origin.
Posted by: Sean at September 01, 2008 03:53 AM (RZhpS)
THIS POST IS FROM ANOTHER CANADIAN, SO bart STOP READING NOW!
I was just browsing the WOTC site when I came across their response to this ignorant and broad comment trying once again to slam Obama. So here's my two cents for anyone who cares to read. Yes, I am Canadian, so my opinion really has no bearing on the election, but I have supported Obama from day one.
Obama, from day one, even through the primaries and the Democratic candidate race has seemed like some who would lead the US well, and someone who would have a good chance of undoing the 8 years of hell that GWB has sunk the US into. One of the main criticisms against him as a candidate is the fact he has little foreign policy experience. But has anybody thought of his choice for VP? Senator Joseph Biden has a very long and good career in the Foreign Policy market, and is considered by many to be one of the most experienced and knowledgeable minds on the subject in the US. I can't think of a better person Obama could have chosen. This demonstrates that not only does he think his choices through, but that he will be willing to listen to his peers and subordinates and would take their thoughts seriously.
Now for John McCain's running mate... Sarah Palin has no experience beyond her short tenure as Governor of Alaska and a mayor of a small town in the middle of nowhere. And with the current and ongoing investigation into her conduct as Governor where she had Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan fired for "performance-related issues". Monegan alleged that his dismissal was retaliation for his failure to fire Palin’s former brother-in-law, Alaskan State Troopen Mike Wooten, who was involved in a child custody battle with Palin’s sister, Molly McCann. Seems a bit fishy to me.... Anyways to summarize, McCain will just continue the US's descent into hell, where as Obama has the chance to help it recover to once again, be a shining example to the rest of the world... Obama is human (with a very high Int, Cha, and Wis) whereas McCain seems more like a Kobold or perhaps a Goblin that was so stupid the rest of it's tribe banished it to the land of the humans....
Ok I'm done now, Let the flamage begin!
Posted by: Darkchyylde at September 05, 2008 11:12 AM (dMDuU)
Posted by: Darkchyylde at September 05, 2008 11:14 AM (dMDuU)
Alright. I work with Canadians on a daily basis and although our political views often differ. I find them to be a unique and delightful group of individuals. They are also much more civic mined on an average basis than those of the US.
Now as a US citizen with a stake in the outcome of this particular race, I have some words of wisdom for Mr. Goldnuts. Don't joke as a member of a US Presidential Campaign it always ends badly.
For me the point that we as gamers, would be involved in the creation of a story in which we drew information from a source story and related it to dramatic effect to impress and/or demonstrate our feelings on a situation is simply ludicrous. Never before has a gamer made up a story or incorporated someone elses story. We always are very grounded and realistic in all things we touch and do.
As for the living in the basement. It must be the dust and mold that leads us to this hobby because nobody living upstairs has ever started playing D and D.
McCain should be able to control his staff, at the same time anyone who works and respects there boss would be more careful. At the same time Oppinions must be expressed for change to take effect. The current PC climate is detrimental to society as a whole we as a country need to grow some thicker skin.
I think what really pisses us off as gamers is the fact that people still think of us based on an 80's article based on a myth. Like most sub-groups we are the center of recrimination and the butt of jokes based solely on the ignorance of those who do not see us but the mythos and legends. Created by those who would eliminate everything unique or different from themselves. For it is easier to chop down a forest than to understand all the trees in its wonderful variety. Only when you are out of shade or in need of an apple do you realize what you have lost.
So McCain staffers put down the saw before you stand alone in a field.
Posted by: anaxetogrind at September 05, 2008 06:31 PM (vmF4y)
Major points lost for celebrating an apology to one group by dissing another. That was a low blow, Ace.
Posted by: Kythera at September 06, 2008 09:07 PM (vKHX/)
This is NOT THE FIRST comment Goldfarb made. Check out this reference (http://www.johnmccain.com/McCainReport/Read.aspx?guid=181471d0-5456-4434-9f78-2f30ffc39459) from 8/18/08. So, I feel this is an ongoing issue that McCain is a fool to not address. The RPG community is well-spoken, vocal, and pissy. We will spread the word.
I'm curious how many "pro-D&D" people work for McCain's campaign....
Posted by: Lrdkane at September 07, 2008 01:02 PM (YIcP4)
The 8/1/08 was the first.
Posted by: Lrdkane at September 07, 2008 01:04 PM (YIcP4)
How would he like it if D&D players harassed him for being a vicious and hateful Jew? Oh, I bet he'd appreciate that. I always thought McCain was out of touch with the average citizen. Now I know his cohorts are completely out of touch with the average Gentile.
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