February 28, 2006

And The Children Will Lead Them: 5000 Pakistani Kids Call For Death Of Cartoonist
— Ace

Nice:

About 5,000 children chanting "Hang those who insulted the prophet" rallied in Pakistan's largest city on Tuesday in the latest protest in the Islamic nation against the publication of cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad.

The children, ages 8 to 12, burned a coffin draped in U.S., Israeli and Danish flags at a traffic intersection in the port city of Karachi as police in riot gear looked on.

The rally was organized by Jamaat-e-Islami, Pakistan's largest Islamic group. The children, some wearing school uniforms and headbands emblazoned with "God is great," were released from schools to take part.

God is apparently the capo di tutti capos of a transnatinal Murder, Inc.

Who knew God ordered hits? He's like Al Capone, except with a loftier penthouse.

Posted by: Ace at 06:03 AM | Comments (53)
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1 Mushareff (sp?) said he was going to crack down on the madrassas in Pakistan. Seems like that initiative isn't going so well, does it? And people wonder why we didn't get Bin Laden. Might be that the ISI, Pakistan's CIA, is purportedly rife with Islamofascist sympathizers.

Some "ally" we got there. Hope Pakistan is getting the message to clean up abit from the nuclear energy production (riiiight) assistance that the Bush Admin is giving to India.

Posted by: Larry the urbanite at February 28, 2006 06:17 AM (Lpswv)

2 Generic translation for any of Larry's mouth-foaming posts:

BlahBlahBlahObligatoryBushBashBlahBlahBlahThisLooksLikeAGoodPlaceToTalkAboutGangRapeBlahBlahBlahWhere'sMikeCauseHe'sDumbEnoughToMakeMeLookSmartBlahBlahBlah

Posted by: bbeck at February 28, 2006 06:25 AM (qF8q3)

3 Anyone else see the article in the jerusalem post this AM that the Dubai port firm enforces a ban on the importation of Israeli products into UAE? I tried to link, but was denied bucuz of "questionable content"

Please note: I don't know if the paper is propoganda or a real media outlet, and also take no position on whether it's important or not, just trying to stimulate discussion.

Posted by: Larry the urbanite at February 28, 2006 06:27 AM (Lpswv)

4 To be fair, I once supported a teacher's strike in college because -- hey, a week off school!

Posted by: S. Weasel at February 28, 2006 06:31 AM (rasT+)

5 "bucuz"?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 28, 2006 06:33 AM (pzen5)

6 I think bbeck has a crush on me. Sorry, bbeck, I don't swing that way (assuming you are a guy.) If you are a girl, also no thanks, as I like 'em a bit less psychotic.

Seriously, we must all toe your line? Only want to see praise and adulation for the current admin? Besides, what I said was WAS praise for Bush. Many have said I'm just a step away from the dark side, why are you trying to drive me away? Makes more sense to try to convert me, eh?

Posted by: Larry the urbanite at February 28, 2006 06:34 AM (Lpswv)

7 Why don't we just toss 'em some Nintendos so they know what they're missing out on. I'm sure they would shut up then.

Posted by: Rip at February 28, 2006 06:35 AM (q2HEf)

8 We used to have dirt clod fights on our days off from school.

They were fun, but not as cool as burning a coffin.

That's totally rad.

Posted by: FreakyBoy at February 28, 2006 06:35 AM (NW/eu)

9 Now c'mon BBeck. For the most part, Larry's on the right track here.

I think Mushareff (yeah, I didn't check the spelling either) wants to help the US, and realizes the Muslims in his country present a real threat, but unfortunately they are powerful (crazy?) enough that he has to tread lightly. Heck, Bush is having a hard time keeping our intelligence assets working for him....imagine trying it with fanatics willing to kill.

I'd imagine it would be similar to the Feds trying to track down the KKK in the past. Tough to do when whole communities are hindering you, and we had a much more reliable investigative service at the time.

Posted by: Grimaldi at February 28, 2006 06:37 AM (rGYMc)

10 Don't they have something more constructive over there, like Jihad Scouts?

Posted by: beautifulatrocities at February 28, 2006 06:38 AM (HtlxU)

11 They have nukes by the way.

Posted by: Mike Superior at February 28, 2006 07:06 AM (Zr5Yj)

12 Why don't we just toss 'em some Nintendos so they know what they're missing out on. I'm sure they would shut up then.

The palis bribed some poor kid with an action toy to become a suicide bomber.

Posted by: shawn at February 28, 2006 07:12 AM (B8ta7)

13 I think bbeck has a crush on me.

I FULLY believe every person you think likes you treats you like trash.

Sorry, bbeck, I don't swing that way (assuming you are a guy.)

Not caring how you swing, Mr. Ego.

If you are a girl, also no thanks, as I like 'em a bit less psychotic.

Still not caring.

Seriously, we must all toe your line?

No, all the brainwashed must tow The DNC line, as you've regularly demonstrated.

Only want to see praise and adulation for the current admin?

Thanks for yet another example of your cluelessness.

Besides, what I said was WAS praise for Bush.

Thanks again, I already knew you were a liar.

Many have said I'm just a step away from the dark side, why are you trying to drive me away?

Because you're an idiot and the Light Side is far better off without your ilk.

Makes more sense to try to convert me, eh?


I'm sure you relish a little coddling. You'll only get it from suckers. Speaking of which....

Now c'mon BBeck. For the most part, Larry's on the right track here.


...if you haven't noticed, Grimaldi, this dork's MO is to hide his Bush Bashing in enough sweet gooeyness to camoflauge it, but his goal is to really just get away with venting his hatred right under the conservative noses here. He's too much of a coward to be open about it in his posts.

Posted by: bbeck at February 28, 2006 07:37 AM (qF8q3)

14 Awww, how cute!

But shouldn't we call in a baby air strike on the little terrorist grubs?

Posted by: mojo at February 28, 2006 08:23 AM (gi75g)

15 I see bbeck, my rational discourse, honest statement of opinions and arguments = hatred venting and Bush Bashing. Goddamn, you are paranoid, dude.

Go re-read my first post. While it might be interpreted as an oblique dig in at Bush for not getting OBL, I'm primarily blaming Mushareff and the Pakistani CIA for that error, AND commenting that Mushareff is not living up to his promise to be an ally on the GWoT Finally, I say I think it's good that Bush is giving nuclear aid to India, in ordert to motivate Pakistan to toe the line better.

Where do I bash Bush under your nose? Where is my gooey sweetness (would that be the same as nougat-y?) Who's the hater here, bbeck? We're all Americans, and YOU (not conservatives, not liberals, not Bush) are the reason I am here. To promote discourse and get people to back away from the politics of division, to get people to realize we (conservatives and liberals) actually have more common goals than is generally accepted or portrayed in the press.

That being said: Go ahead an comment all you want. It's good for a laugh, and, in this particular instance, I believe you are showing yourself to be more than a little unhinged (i.e. even crazier than this liberal), lol.

Posted by: Larry the Urbanite at February 28, 2006 08:27 AM (Lpswv)

16 Back in my day, we didn't get to go on any fancy-shmancy coffin burning school field trips. We were lucky if we got a boring afternoon tour at the Sioux Bee honey plant.

And if we even just tried to burn a flag or start chanting "death to America," that stupid Mrs. Haafke would make us sit next to her on the whole bus ride back.

Posted by: iowahawk at February 28, 2006 08:32 AM (C9YlT)

17 I see bbeck, my rational discourse, honest statement of opinions and arguments = hatred venting and Bush Bashing.

No, I only think your Bush-Bashing is Bush-Bashing. There is no rational discourse nor honesty to be found in your posts.

Goddamn, you are paranoid, dude.

Didn't like getting caught, eh?

Go re-read my first post.

Nah, I don't feel like fetching more toilet paper.

While it might be interpreted as an oblique dig in at Bush for not getting OBL, I'm primarily blaming Mushareff and the Pakistani CIA for that error, AND commenting that Mushareff is not living up to his promise to be an ally on the GWoT Finally, I say I think it's good that Bush is giving nuclear aid to India, in ordert to motivate Pakistan to toe the line better.

BlahblahblahobligatoryBushBashingblahblahblah

Where do I bash Bush under your nose?

In the area located just below the nostrils. For me, that's on my face. For you, that's near Howard Dean's nethers.

Where is my gooey sweetness (would that be the same as nougat-y?)

You mean you don't know what you write? Yeah, okay, I buy that.

Who's the hater here, bbeck?

The Bush Basher is. Care to guess?

We're all Americans, and YOU (not conservatives, not liberals, not Bush) are the reason I am here. To promote discourse and get people to back away from the politics of division, to get people to realize we (conservatives and liberals) actually have more common goals than is generally accepted or portrayed in the press.

What, no fife playing the background? I figured you'd get around to self-priase, considering no one else will do it for you. You're here because you're a twerp, Larry. Next time just write that; it's shorter and requires less oral flatulence.

That being said: Go ahead an comment all you want.

Ooh, I didn't need your permission, Mr. Ego.

It's good for a laugh...

Yeah, I know.

and, in this particular instance, I believe you are showing yourself to be more than a little unhinged (i.e. even crazier than this liberal), lol.

Geez, if you can't be original, at least be entertaining. That's free advice I hope you'll adhere to next time.

Posted by: bbeck at February 28, 2006 08:43 AM (qF8q3)

18 And another thing bbeck with regard to the original story: What a bunch of surrender monkeys the EU are. Free speech means free speech. The Muslims need to pull their backward asses out of the middle ages and into the 21st century or the West, who, due to a little thing called the Reformation know a little about religious tolerance, will have to drag them there kicking and screaming.

Oops, I forgot to include some gooeily sweet Bush Bashing in there.

Posted by: Larry the Urbanite at February 28, 2006 08:47 AM (Lpswv)

19 Oops, I forgot to include some gooeily sweet Bush Bashing in there.

Ooops, that's because you're trying to cover your tracks now. Heh, works every time.

Dance puppet!

Posted by: bbeck at February 28, 2006 08:52 AM (qF8q3)

20 bbeck: Delusions of reference -Delusions of reference are held by people who are unduly self-conscious, where an individual experiences events and perceives objects in his environment as having a special significance for himself. The subject cannot help feeling that people take notice of him to an extraordinary degree. They may believe that everyone in the street is talking about them or see references to themself in newspapers and on TV which are not there.

Delusions of reference are similar to ideas of self-reference except insight is lost and the subject does not recognise that the ideas are false

(he said, circling a finger next to his temple)

Posted by: at February 28, 2006 09:18 AM (Lpswv)

21 (he said, circling a finger next to his temple)

(he said ANONYMOUSLY, circling a finger next to his temple)

Of course, he found that very difficult to do since the gun barrel kept getting in the way.

I'm ready for another set-up, puppet.

Posted by: bbeck at February 28, 2006 09:22 AM (qF8q3)

22 Nah, I'm done. I'll give you credit, you are making the point that you are crazy/hate-filled/bitter better than I am.

Let's hear your street corner psycho rantings, um, I meant views of course. Anything original to say?

Posted by: Larry the Urbanite at February 28, 2006 09:33 AM (Lpswv)

23 Nah, I'm done.

No you're not. Watch...

I'll give you credit, you are making the point that you are crazy/hate-filled/bitter better than I am.

See, you just lied! Again.

Let's hear your street corner psycho rantings, um, I meant views of course.

And again!

Anything original to say?

Why don't you come up with your own lines instead of stealing mine, O Cowardly Little Bush Basher? While imitation is the highest form of flattery, your hypocrisy sorta takes away from it.

Posted by: bbeck at February 28, 2006 09:40 AM (qF8q3)

24 Won't somebody please think of the children?

Oh, wait...

Posted by: Xoxotl at February 28, 2006 09:40 AM (Wsi7x)

25 You two should get a room, or a cage match.

Posted by: Iblis at February 28, 2006 09:48 AM (9221z)

26 So, it's Tuesday. What's on the really really big shewwww.

Posted by: shawn at February 28, 2006 09:59 AM (H5cZK)

27 Larry said, "Mushareff (sp?) said he was going to crack down on the madrassas in Pakistan. Seems like that initiative isn't going so well, does it?"

I guess that depends on what standard of "going well" is reasonable. At the high end, that would be maybe... all the clerics refunding their Wahhabi endowments and teaching humane lessons (like actual clerics)? At the low end, maybe... madrassas not fielding armies of fanatics (actual regiments+) in Afghanistan?

High end isn't happening. But at present, I don't see evidence of organized Pakistani armies in Afghanistan. The small units we hear about now are being fielded by Afghani tribes / warlords, with very limited support by al Qaeda (and Iran, I expect).

Not that ISI and the madrassa aren't still troublesome. But they're not actively exporting the trouble to Afghanistan, which is prospering in consequence.

Myself, I'm counting blessings...

Grimaldi said, "I think Mushareff (yeah, I didn't check the spelling either) wants to help the US, and realizes the Muslims in his country present a real threat, but unfortunately they are powerful (crazy?) enough that he has to tread lightly. Heck, Bush is having a hard time keeping our intelligence assets working for him....imagine trying it with fanatics willing to kill."

I'm with Grimaldi on that one. The Pakistani army has suffered 400+ casualties, and Musharraf has escaped at least 3 assassination attempts since 9/11. I'm inclined to give him credit -- but Pakistani nukes stay under U.S. SpecOps control, just in case...

Posted by: Tex at February 28, 2006 10:12 AM (MTypB)

28 You two should get a room, or a cage match.

Heh, I need neither to pound that human stain.

Posted by: bbeck at February 28, 2006 10:32 AM (qF8q3)

29 Apparently they just read the book "Why Mommy is a Jihadi".

Posted by: Grayson at February 28, 2006 10:48 AM (3Vh45)

30 One of my friends is dating a guy from Pakistan. He says that pederasty among the imams was way too common.

I'm thinking that the child protests must've gotten the imams back at the mosque all hot and bothered - there must have been some serious man on boy action that night. Part of me is thinking that the terrorist larvae deserved it. Is that wrong?

If so, I apologize - I'm grumpy today.

Posted by: adolfo velasquez at February 28, 2006 10:56 AM (bn2XT)

31 And Larry, yeah, you could get yourself out of BDS quarantine by giving us a list of things you think the Administration is doing right in the GWOT.

Wouldn't kill you to do that, would it?

And while you're at it, list some things the Democratic party big-shots are doing wrong.

Just to cleanse the palate.

Posted by: Tex at February 28, 2006 11:03 AM (MTypB)

32 Larry said, "we (conservatives and liberals) actually have more common goals than is generally accepted or portrayed in the press."

No. The goals are in harsh opposition, which is why we don't get along.

Simple, really.

People who call themselves conservatives are consciously attempting to conserve, or protect, our state. People who today disingenuously call themselves "liberals" could give a fig about our actual liberty. Rather, "liberalism" is now an expression of a cultural death-wish. Hence the liberals' frothing desire for speech codes, retreat from the field of battle, Israel's surrender and dismemberment, Presidential impeachment, and the many other demands which mesh predictably with the demands of our barbarous enemies abroad.

Vasko Kohlmayer has formulated this view as a proper thesis, with predictions, at American Thinker . I think he's hitting close to the mark.

Posted by: Tex at February 28, 2006 11:41 AM (MTypB)

33 Good article Tex.

Many of us have thought as much, but Vasko does a respectable job of putting it into words. I honestly think that we could pull many leftists away from that movement, if they actually realized that they were destroying the pillars of Western Civilization.

As Ace always says: Western Civilization falls, women and minorities hardest hit.

Posted by: adolfo velasquez at February 28, 2006 12:00 PM (bn2XT)

34 Adolfo said, "I honestly think that we could pull many leftists away from that movement"

Active leftists? Hmm... In terms of the emotions involved, that would be religious conversion. I think we have about as much hope of converting jihadists.

But leftist, like jihadists, will soon die. We have only to outlast them...

Posted by: Tex at February 28, 2006 12:06 PM (MTypB)

35 I'm thinking that the child protests must've gotten the imams back at the mosque all hot and bothered - there must have been some serious man on boy action that night. Part of me is thinking that the terrorist larvae deserved it. Is that wrong?

Yeah, Adolfo, real wrong.

No child deserves to be raped - certainly not for the offense of having been raised by psychos.

"Muslim children were asking for it" is no more acceptable than "She was asking for it, running around with her wrists showing."

I know a little something about rough weeks, adolfo, but no one ought to let themselves get that grumpy. Have a beer - it's Mardi Gras!

Posted by: Victoria at February 28, 2006 12:17 PM (v2tO4)

36 Say, bbeck -- I'm new to Ace forums. Get me up to speed: what's your favorite Larry quote? I've only heard him lately, when he's been halfway reasonable. If he is a real leftist, I'd expect him to have some hardcore BDS thoughts that pop out from time to time.

Hit me wit summa'dat, if you got summa'dat. Thanks,

Posted by: Tex at February 28, 2006 02:04 PM (jvG2F)

37 Hey Larry, just to let you know, bbeck is a girl....I mean, woman. I mean, like really a woman. Can anyone come up with the pic? It was around not that long ago.

Posted by: CraigC at February 28, 2006 02:38 PM (r7nqq)

38 Let's put it this way: She fills out the AOS t-shirt juuuust a bit more than I do. Which is saying something, because of my, yannow, really, really manly chest.

Posted by: CraigC at February 28, 2006 02:40 PM (r7nqq)

39 re: CraigC's photo request -- I'd strongly advise against posting anyone's photo here. Or name. Or home address. Or criminal records. Or credit card numbers.

I mean, think about it.

Now Babes of Freedom skinshots -- that's cool.

Posted by: Tex at February 28, 2006 02:56 PM (PGzrn)

40 It's already been posted here twice, Tex, but whatever.

A response to the children from Sierrahome at Sondra's.

Posted by: CraigC at February 28, 2006 03:00 PM (r7nqq)

41 I'm sorry for wishing child rape on the terrorist larvae.

Still, I wish their madrassas would get napalmed.

Posted by: adolfo velasquez at February 28, 2006 03:09 PM (bn2XT)

42 ART LINKLETTER once wrote a book KIDS SAY THAT DARNDEST THINGS but what these kids are saying should get their mouths washed out with soap. These islamics are real extremists it sure isnt the religion of peace

Posted by: spurwing plover at February 28, 2006 04:49 PM (1mdPR)

43 That's funny, spurwing!

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Hosted by Abdul Cosby, children are asked several "adult" questions such as How should we resolve the Palestine-Isreal conflict? Their answers are always hilarious and will often surprise you with their wisdom! *Sposored by our good friends at The Lil' Bombers Toolbelt company.

Posted by: Bart at February 28, 2006 05:08 PM (vS1jU)

44 Tex, re your request: I've made a few lefty comments, especially when I started here, but lately I've been trying to see things from a more centrist viewpoint. It encourages rational replies, and insight, which is what I' looking for. Mostly, I've gotten only moderate abuse from people here ( usually it's justly deserved) and even a few "well, you are not TOTALLY ful of shit" comments.

bbeck seems to have some problem with me tho', can't say why. I'm very pro GWoT, but I think going into Iraq was the wrong (inefficient use of $ and manpower, IMHO) approach. Now that we're there, I think we ought to finish the job. I think a civil war in Iraq might not be all bad, could wake them up a bit, get more of them on our side. I thought the Cheney shooting thing was ridiculously overplayed. I think the Dem congresscritters are just about as bad as the Republicans (both cynical, craven, media hounds more concerned with getting re-elected than doing what they think is right.) I thought publishing the cartoons was OK and the Muslim response insane.

Ah well, it's not a popularity contest.

Posted by: Larry the urbanite at February 28, 2006 05:11 PM (Lpswv)

45 but lately I've been trying to see things from a more centrist viewpoint.

You in some kinda program or something?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at February 28, 2006 05:17 PM (9j0MA)

46 You in some kinda program or something?

It's the 12-step thing.

1) Admit that you are powerless
2) Believe that a greater power can restore your sanity
3) Turn your life over to the care of Karl Rove . . .

Posted by: geoff at February 28, 2006 05:22 PM (vpYuK)

47 3) Turn your life over to the care of Karl Rove . . .

You mean His Satanic Majesty?

You in some kinda program or something?

Nah. Well, it's not court ordered, anyway. Seriously, just trying to understand how y'all think.

Posted by: at February 28, 2006 05:31 PM (Lpswv)

48 10:31 was me of course

WHat the f is wrong with this interface? Does it remember your handles, even when you click the Yes box? What, is there an "annoy the lefty" filter?

Posted by: Larry the Urbanite at February 28, 2006 05:34 PM (Lpswv)

49 The interface remembers nothing. It may drop your name if you preview. It may at any time decide to filter out letters or common words. Or it may crash entirely.

We're convinced it's making us stronger.

Posted by: geoff at February 28, 2006 05:36 PM (vpYuK)

50 re: what Larry said, above:

That's cool. OK, you might have to say in BDS quarantine a while longer, but things seem... reasonable.

Larry said, "I think going into Iraq was the wrong (inefficient use of $ and manpower, IMHO)..."

And as for myself, I still think the army should perfect and mass-produce Asimo buddy-bots for Terminator assault regiments. Add diesel 2-strokes, metal-storm chestmounts, target-tracking sensors -- and, yeah, manual fire-control overrides, for "sensitive missions".

"It makes you a more efficient killer."

But war is never "efficient". By GWOT standards, WWII was "inefficient". Does that make our involvement in WWII wrong? And remember, Hitler didn't attack us... Just sayin'.

---

War is a series of disasters which result in a winner.

- Georges Clemenceau

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A recommendation: for in-depth and historical discussion, try the Belmont Club. It's good.



Posted by: Tex at March 01, 2006 09:52 AM (jvG2F)

51 Tex,
Re your earlier comment about liberals calling themselves liberals. That's not entirely accurate, you see if you try to get a liberal to call themselves a liberal they will usually contort themselves and say things like, we prefer to be called "progressive" or "hey why should we label each other"? On the other hand conservatives usually will proudly proclaim that they are conservatives.

Posted by: The Real Steve at March 01, 2006 11:29 AM (n0lBX)

52 re: Real Steve's labels.

I reckon it happens. If you took a poll of women and asked, "Would you describe yourself as a nagging housewife?" not many would say yes.

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