1 That loss of money piles up though, and it can grow, and over time, it hurts. Plus as you say, it means people are going to be much less supportive.

2 Can these people really be this fucking stupid?

3 Uh, dude, that $160,000 to $100,000 was for one of the phone workers not the whole system. They must be down a whole lot more:

"Last year, my solicitations totaled $164,000, and this year the way
they were running for the first four months, they would total $100,000
by the end of 2007," said one fired phone bank solicitor who asked not
to be identified.

4

Anne Hathaway, the committee's chief of staff, summoned the solicitations staff last week and told them they were out of work, effective immediately, the fired staffers told The Times.

They should replace them with illegals. May as well practice what you preach.

5 Watcher,
Have you been paying attention? Seriously!?!

6 According to the article there were 65 solicitors. If they are all down 60K (and that's a big assumption), that's 3.9 million dollars. Hell, that's starting to be almost real money.  And don't forget, small donors are hit up multiple times a year since they don't max out, this story talked about the first quarter.

That could start to add up.

7

It might just be that until there is a constriction of the candidates running for president then everyone is still seeing "bush" as the leader of the republican party.  I forget who I read just an hour or so ago talking about something like this.

Until there is a clear front runner that the base can get around, the funding is gonna be weak, because at the moment the most notable name is still "bush" and for one of the first times in the history of mankind, there aren't too many people buying bush. 

Once it becomes Fred and the twins, then it will all drop into line.

8 Also like drew said, this might actually be goodish news.  Rather than tapping out a valuable fund raising source so early in the election efforts, the money can be more focused onto people who might actually win, freeing up more money for after the primary's.

9

Last year I told them to send mail solicitations and not call me - constantly bringing their buckets to this well was annoying me.

They really need to get out of BosNYWash and amongst their supporters, again.

10 Simmah dahn nah.

If the RNC wants to draw the conclusion that its related to this immigration kludge, I'd be more than happy.

But last year was an election year.  This year isn't.  I would expect that would explain most of the drop-off, especially in the small donor amounts.

11

Yeah, I'd say it's a combination of A) odd-numbered year, B) no clear candidate yet, C) the immigration debacle, D)bush sucks d00d, and E) whatever anyone else suggests.

Oh, and please remove these spiders from my person.

12 "They should replace them with illegals."

Classic.

Amnesty delenda est.

13 Think about this: If they fired them all immediately, that most likely means that the RNC already had a deal in place to contract the work out. That means that they could have given their workers some kind of warning before firing them, and they chose not to, which in my opinion is beyond fucked up. You have to believe that these phone bank workers were making pretty shitty money, and now they have no job whatsoever.

14 The only thing I'm willing to donate right now is free advice.

15

It's almost a deliberate dismantling of the party, by the party.

16 Funny, but I was reading this when the "College Republicans" called about a certain terrorist who teaches at Kent State here in Ohio.  I believe the words "Go fuck yourself" came out of my mouth, but I'd have to ask my kids to be sure.

17 The kids agree:  I said it.  But I did wait until they wanted money.

18 When they call, I only speak Spanish to them.

19

I'm not giving money, but I am voting.

20 My recent mail includes GOPAC, RNC, and the W library fund, along with something from John Thune.  They all got nice 40 point print explaining that they can get their money from their newly adopted constituents.  And I didn't use my own stamps either.

It looks like the political class has finally realized how to vote the people out of power.

It took 200 years, but American finally figured out how to get the population they want.  Yay, cheers for the Repopulate America Act.

21 Send them a peso.

22 My recent mail includes GOPAC, RNC, and the W library fund,

I haven't gotten the W library fund one yet.  Please post the address.  I'll send them 25 pesos and an offer to mow their lawn.

23

Send them a peso.

That is a fucking brilliant idea.  Where can we buy a few bags of those?  It's a better campaign than sending bricks, even.

 

24
Send them a peso.

Perfect.  I'm so getting some tomorrow for just this purpose.

25 jinx

26 Any $$ that the RNC would have received this year will now be set aside to cover my family's expenses attending the anti-amnesty march . . .
(http://www.lframerica.com/march2.html)

MARCH FOR AMERICA,

JUNE 14 - 16, 2007

June 14th (D.C)- No Amnesty, “Operation Body Count/Buck Stops Here”

Event Times:

11am - 5pm

June 15th (D.C.)- No Amnesty, “All American Day/Stop The North American Union”

Event times: 10am - 2pm

June 16th (U.S.A)- No Amnesty, “March for America”.

Americans nationwide march forth in unison to offer their direct opposition to Amnesty.

Nationwide Times:

* East Coast 1pm - 6pm EST

* Central 12pm - 5pm CST

* Mountain 11am - 4pm MST

* West Coast 10am - 3pm PST

27

Great idea.

 

Speaking of great ideas, where has Amish been?

28

Toby, I just bid for a bag of 50 pesos on ebay.

 

29 Jesus, not this North American Union stuff again.

30 Can't I get pesos from my bank?  If that doesn't work I'll just as Ernesto at my favorite restaurant to score me some from the staff.

31 dammit

32 I'm sure the small donor money is being more than made up by donations from the businesses the GOP has actually decided to represent in this matter. 

33 Get the link right!

34 I'm sure the small donor money is being more than made up by donations from the businesses

Not the hard money and hard money is apparently worth its weight in gold.  I've had campaigns spend three times as much as I gave them soliciting me for more hard money after I gave them some just to show my support. The relatively unlimited soft money that businesses can give can't be used directly for campaigning but party building and more solicitation of contributions is legal.

Tob

35 Being pissed about this and arguing about is great, but what the hell is with the nazism references? Has Bush called his opponents nazi's? Or is this just a pissed-off-knee-jerk reaction to him? Between this and hot-air, I think I've gotten my fill of faux 'Bush called us nazi's' bullshit.

How about directing some of that anger at Hillary and her vision of the U.S.with her own Great Leap Forward?

36 The thing is, this divide has always been out there, the country club and the conservative Republicans. The Country Club guys are in charge of the party, and the only reason we didn't notice so much was that when it comes to national security both sides agree.

37 The Country Club guys are in charge of the party

Damn straight bitches. Rocky's back!

38

$64,000 at the maximum donation level is 32 people.

 

Bet it's more than that.

39  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_of_Spades_HQ

Nice.....

40 >>Not the hard money and hard money is apparently worth its weight in gold.

This is just the kind of crazy talk that will awake rho from his slumber and have him sodomizing everyones mother. No more gold standard stuff.

41 Steve:  scroll down the front page

42 Amnesty delenda est.

43 I agree with the No-Amnesty shit, but how DO we deal with 12 mil illegals?

44 Lydia, there is debate about whether we can deal with them in any just way. Some think we can, some think we can't

The MOST important thing is it doesn't happen again. We need to see serious, ongoing border security.

45 Reply to 43:

1. Build a fence, and man it adequately.

2. Systematically fine employers who hire illegals.

3. Cut off access to international funds transfer by those without proper ID so they can't remit funds home.

46 I agree with the No-Amnesty shit, but how DO we deal with 12 mil illegals?

Once you start enforcing existing law you are making it harder for illegals to work and live here. They will have less incentive to stay and go home.  Simple attrition.

That's the theory at least. As far as I know, no one of any consequence is calling for door to door round ups and deportation, though workplace raids should and would be a part of that strategy.  Also, forcing local governments to check the immigration status of people they arrest will help to find the ones you really want to get rid of.

Alas, none of that seems to be on the table.

47 Oh, and OT...
Now I see why this guy broke the TB quarantine and flew off to get married.
I think I'd break away to marry THAT!

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/OnCall/story?id=3231184&page=1

48 Lydia:  make it economically impractical for them to stay (or, more importantly, show up).

That is, enforce against employers.  Give Big Business a guest worker program as a sop.

Amnesty delenda est.

49 As I mentioned (I think) in the other thread, France is actually paying illegals to leave.  This could work (as long as we fingerprint 'em or something) as additional incentive.

50

 I agree with the No-Amnesty shit, but how DO we deal with 12 mil illegals?

It wouldn't be terribly hard to send most of them home. Start handing out business closing fines for hiring illegals and the job pool would dry up. No jobs no reason to stay here. 

If you want to speed up the process , you require county , city and state agencies to report them once they come to their notice.

51

Damn , I'm slow.

52

Read a jibe tossed at thompson because he favored campaign finance reform, and trusted his friend mccains judgement, thinking it was worthwile to try.  He has since said that there are so many loopholes that lifting all hard money cap's and requiring precise accounting and significant fines based on any violation of reporting deadlines.

THAT is campaign finance reform.

53 Steyn always slays me:  More jobs Americans won't do

54 Listen, bitches, I am GEORGE W. MOTHERFUCKIN' BUSH, whose dick you have been suckin' like it was a pixie stick for six long years, and I'm here to tell ya that only I can keep you safe from the Evil Terrorists who are fightin' us in Eye-raq, and who are just itchin' to hit us here at home. So you just git over your little hissy-fit and git your mouth back around my dick, where it belongs.

55 I like the French idea of paying the illegals to leave, but I could actually swallow the Amnesty IF they could zip up the borders. And I mean build the whole fence (not just plan to build half of it). Complete the SBI system of towers. Higher the new border guards AND make deportation mandatory for any illegals they catch after the Amnesty AND make massive mandatory fines for employers who hire illegals. (Like this employer who had over 100,000 fraudulent SSN's reported).

Do all that, THEN I'll consider your amnesty plan.

56

I like the French idea of paying the illegals

I like kicking them out of the country without any rewards.  So far everytime I've broken the law, I've lost money, quite a good chunk of it, don't know why they should make any.

57

The French aren't paying illegals, it's legal immigrants being asked to go because the country is in deep shit. If the French paid illegals, half of the world would try to slip into France to collect their checks.

Here it is:

The new political regime in Paris is determined to curb illegal immigration, but is also looking to encourage legal migrants to leave France, by paying them to go back home.

Under the Brice Hortefeux scheme, Paris would provide each family with a nest egg of $8,000 to go back to their country of origin.

http://www.calcuttanews.net/story/252240

58 I proposed something similar as a solution to the Palestinian problem.  Payments on a sliding scale, based on the distance moved from Israel.  A few thousand dollars would allow many Palestinians to relocate to other Arab countries and start their own businesses.

59

Most Arab countries won't allow the Palestinians in - I think only Jordan has allowed significant numbers.

If Palestinians settle somewhere else, the Arabs won't have a stick to beat Israel with.

60 Most Arab countries won't allow the Palestinians in

Money, in large denominations, greases all wheels.

61 9  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ace_of_Spades_HQ
Nice.....

Even better, it is listed under the category of "Feminist Writers"

62 Payments on a sliding scale, based on the distance moved from Israel.

Better yet, how about based on how far they swim out into the Med?

63 Hello.  I am Rajid Singh, calling you for the Republican Party...

64 I just sent 20 pesos to the RNC for doing such a good job for us citizens that pay the taxes, welfare, section 8, schools. food stamps. prisons, babies, hospitals and now Instant legalization.

If I go to Mexico - I sign my life away.  I would take the money, build a wall for a couple of thousand miles, copy the Mexican rules into English and treat the Illegals like Mexico treats theres.

Hard labor would solve some of the pains of building a fence and make McCain's NON-Amnesty Amnesty a "forced Labor Bill".

Then the illegals would truly be doing what the do nothings in Congress say they are doing  - JObs that congressnmen don't want.

65

Mark every one of the the RNC, Senate and House equivalent mail solicitations Refused:  Return to Sender.

I've got a stack of them saved up that I might just put in one envelope and send to Senator Ensign.  They GOP isn't tone deaf.  They're just fucking deaf.  Fuck them.

66 Do what I have done since last year:  everytime you get something from the GOP asking for money, print this out and send it back to them.  I can't tell you how satisfying it is and it costs them money.

67 John & ro-ro are brilliant people in the response to solicitations.

It was still amazing that the GOP sacked the entire phone solicitation staff like that. Based on their call log to my place in the past two years, they have not failed through lack of effort. The voters simply haven't been giving donations. I suppose the "they're just no giving" explanation failed to get understanding from the RNC? Too bad for them then, they can continue to operate on a  loss until the party leadership begins to heed the will of the base. The real Red State Average Joe base, not the country club slicks who won't be in danger of being undercut by a flood of cheaply working, entitlement grabbing, terrorist hiding illegals.

68 Heh, OK, which one of us morons made the additions to Ace's wiki, that was done today.

69 That's brilliant John SWIPE for my blog!

70 I don't think I've ever laughed as hard at a Wikipedia page. Nice job Toby.

71 I think it's unfair, Ace doesn't use foul language that often on the main page.

72

Though he is the only "prominant" righty blog that does as often has he does.  I just think it's unfair to make him a "potty mouth" blogger, when he's actually much more insightful than foul.   VULGAR! yes, I mean, tit jokes and cock jokes, without always saying "tits" and "cock" but still this comments section exists cuz Ace is a real guy.

Thats why ace rocks.  As soon as Fred! hiers (spelling?) Ace as his web adviser, THEN I would consider the whole vulgarity thing, but if Giulliani does it, then I won't care.  I remember seeing national video's of giulianni cussing.

73 In Pixy Misa's favorite language:

$from_me_to_friggin_pubs=0;
$screw_them=1;

$backlash=$whatever; ## You don't support a rapist because he rapes nicer than the other dude, do you?  Screw every single Republican politician who votes for this American land raping crap.

Perl, pixie!  It's THAT good.

exit(0);

* - Don't hate me because I'm cryptic.

74 I think Ace would be a great campaign blogger for Fred. Neither of them puts up with bullshit. The myriad "brown people" comments would be a bitch to explain away, but Fred is from the South.

75 Where's this Ace of Spades wiki?

76 NM, just saw it.

77

Yesterday on his show, Bill O'Reilly told John McCain (in between several other sentences) that this bill would be the death of the Republican party.  McCain agreed but Bill didn't follow up with it. 

Tonight on his show, Bill O'Reilly told Tony Snow (in between several other sentences) that this bill would be the death of the Republican party.  Tony Snow agreed, but Bill didn't follow up with it. 

McCain and Snow both agree this bill will kill the Republican party but they want it signed.  Am I in a nightmare or am I awake? 

78

Send them a peso.

That is a fucking brilliant idea.  Where can we buy a few bags of those?  It's a better campaign than sending bricks, even.

Even better -- just go here, right-click the Bush Peso image, click "View Image," print out in color, and mail.

79 Whoops, John beat me to it.

80

Well, I can tell you for certain that the new ones are better than the old.

I've been curtly ending conversations with the old lot at least once a week for quite some time.  When I did so with the very competent lady who called the other day, without missing a beat, and without sounding scripted, she agreed with me completely.

She then said, since I'd told her that no, I wasn't interested in attending a dinner with GWB in Washington, "The party really needs to rebuild itself and get rid of some of the bad seed it's accumulated over the past several years - can you help us with a donation of just ..."

Smoothest save attempt I've seen since the day I watched a friend, shot down while trying to pick up some gal, asked her "So, I suppose a blowjob's completely out of the question then?"

I complimented her on the fact that I hadn't even felt her hand rubbing against my duodenum, told her no thanks, and asked to be put on their "don't bother my ass until you clean things up" list.

81 Anyone have the full-length retarded version of the wiki entry before it got "cleaned up" again?

82 I think you can access it by going to the page's 'history' section and clicking on the versions put up by Toby.

83 Oh, man.  Hilarious.

Btw, any of you morons in NYC Saturday?

84 whether we can deal with them in any just way.

I suggest treating illegals with "reciprocity" -- IOW apply the same laws and procedures their native country applies to them.

In the case of Mexico, the Mexican constitution allows their president to summarily deport without any appeal, non-citizens who gripe even the slightest bit about the internal politics of Mexico.

85 Damn.  the wiki was reset.  Only one change survived the editing processes.  I fear that whoever was juicing up the AoS lifestyle paragraph went over the top.

86 Toby928, you could always create a encylopedia dramatica page for AoSHQ.

87

Oh good lord...you can access previous versions on the history tab.

Number of Ejaculations

5

That's some funny shit.

88

And from the looks of it Toby, several changes survived the edit.

89 Yeah, I was going to say...if you look at the talk page, the dude fixing the problems wants to VfD the page again.  Now that we've had our fun (I love the editor's tone of befuddlement; he quotes a bit about "Flappy the Dismembered-Limb-Collecting Eagle"), can someone who has a wikipedia account please revert to the last good version so Ace's page doesn't get deleted (you know those lefties on wikipedia would love to release the chill wind of dissent)?  I'd do it myself, but I am not a wikipedian and I don't want my IP getting on there.

90 Good stuff Tob

91 Hey, Ace, have you seen this?

The White House's and WSJ's Immigration Bill FAQ

Q. I'm concerned that the immigration bill focuses more on
giving illegal immigrants amnesty than border protection. Does the
President share these concerns?

A. The President doesn't hate brown people.

Q. This isn't a racial issue. Many people think this bill
will only encourage more illegal immigration and leave our borders open
and dangerous. What are the answer to these charges?

A. To answer your underlying question, I'm afraid the the President is
against your proposal to commit genocide against Hispanics.

Q. This isn't about Hispanics! This is about our laws being respected and our national security!

A. Unfortunately, America has had a long history of closed-minded
bigots like you who hate all immigrants and want to keep the nation
white and pure. To answer what we can only assume will be your next
question, no, jackboots aren't tax deductible, but have fun in your
neo-Nazi march anyway.

Q. I'm not against immigrants! Why can't you people
understand there is a difference between legal and illegal
immigration?! I'm only objecting to the illegal ones!

A. Calm down. It's this frothing at the mouth anger that causes your
irrational views on immigration. To answer your other concerns,
Hispanics actually have excellent hygiene, are not lazy, and aren't all
criminals. Also, there has been no genetic evidence that Hispanics are
inferior to the white man. I'd be careful about believing just any
pamphlet handed out at your KKK meetings.

Q. With President Bush already having shaky support, do you
think it's wise to label people with legitimate concerns about illegal
immigration "racists"?

A. Did anyone ever tell you you have many blatantly homosexual tendencies?

92 The illegal immigration clown car.

93

Heh. Should have made it say :

Ace of Spades HQ, Ace of Spades, or AoS is a conservative and libertarian weblog, and has been described as a "smart military blog" where the guys get shirts. That's just the fucking way it is. The guys get shirts. Don't make a fucking maniac out of me.

94

Aww man, Jonah Goldberg is doing cool facts about Fred Thompson but he yanked em all of IMAO

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/JonahGoldberg/2007/06/01/better_off_fred

How can Jonah not understand that the plain fact that Fred Thompson has an errection made of solid tungsten, and has been charged with involuntary manslaughter several times because he kills a man with it everytime his wife enters the room, is an issue of vital importance to the voters?

95 Good stuff Tob

I would like to point out that the excessive profanity was not mine, but it did have that drunken quality associated with this band of retards, so you know it had to have come from one of us.

Tob

96

Interview with immigration critic, Bill Cutting

Reporter: Mr. Cutting, this proposed bill is said to have a mechanism for illegal aliens to be accounted for in order to better enforce our employment laws with businesses. Is this something you agree would be good if it worked?

Bill Cutting: My great grand father gave his life, making this country what it is. Murdered by the Mexicans with all of his men on the twenty fifth of July, anno domini, 1846. Do you think I'm going to help you befoul his legacy, by giving this country over to them, what's had no hand in the fighting for it? Why, because they come off a boat crawling with lice and begging you for soup.

Reporter: Okay then, what about the claim that this bill will require enforcement triggers to be met before anyone is provided any temporary worker status or Z visa?

Bill Cutting: I don't see no Americans. I see trespassers, Mexican harps. Do a job for a nickel what a nigger does for a dime and a white man used to get a quarter for. What have they done? Name one thing they've contributed.

Reporter: So you don’t think the enforcement benchmarks will be met or they will be ignored?

Bill Cutting: If only I had the guns, Mr. Reporter, I'd shoot each and every one of them before they set foot on American soil.

Reporter: Critics have said their dispute is not specifically about Mexicans and its strictly about a bad immigration bill. Is this accurate?

Bill Cutting :On the seventh day the Lord rested, but before that he did, he squatted over the side of America and what came out of him... was Mexico. No offense son.

Reporter: Thank you Mr. Cutting.

97

The RNC has fired its in-house dial-a-donor staff and hired outsiders to do the job.

I sure hope they checked into the ousiders' hiring practices.  Wouldn't want to hire people for a job that Americans...won't do cheaper...

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