March 29, 2011

Yon: Rolling Stone Is Lying About Parts of the "KILL TEAM" Story
— Ace

One of the most prominent parts of the story concerns the shooting of two armed men on a motorcycle. It's prominent, chiefly because the team took video of the shooting; that is, since it's hot video of course, if you're trying to sell magazines, it has to be featured prominently in the story.

I didn't cite that when I excerpted the story because hot footage aside, it didn't seem out-of-the-ordinary.

Even Rolling Stone seems to concede as much:

The clip presented here is excerpted from 'Motorcycle Kill,' a video collected and shared by members of the “kill team” of U.S. soldiers who murdered civilians in Afghanistan and mutilated the corpses. The jumpy, 30-minute video – shot by soldiers believed to be with another battalion in the 5th Stryker Brigade – shows American troops gunning down two Afghans on a motorcycle who may have been armed. Even if the killings were part of a legitimate combat engagement, however, it is a clear violation of Army standards to share such footage.

Oh, it's a clear violation of Army standards to share such footage? Oh dear, that does sound serious. I bet some soldiers even have contraband pornography in their possession.

Were they armed? I can't tell from the video (I've tried to stop the video as the passenger raises his right hand to see if there's a gun in it but just as he raises it a US soldier steps out, in foreground, obscuring it.)

Yon said they were armed, and furthermore, this was not a case of waylaying a random cyclist; this was during an intense fight.

Rolling Stone commits a literary “crime” by deceptively entwining this normal combat video with the Kill Team story. The Taliban on the motorcycle were killed during an intense operation in the Arghandab near Kandahar City. People who have been to the Arghandab realize the extreme danger there. The Soviets got beaten horribly in the Arghandab, despite throwing everything including the Soviet kitchen sink into the battle that lasted over a month. Others fared little better. To my knowledge, 5/2 and supporting units were the first ever to take Arghandab, and these two dead Taliban were part of that process.

The killing of the armed Taliban on the motorcycle was legal and within the rules of engagement.

As they say, if it bleeds, it leads. Rolling Stone has footage of someone getting shot and damnit if they're not going to contrive a way to present lurid material as somehow important.

I call it "lurid" not because the soldiers' actions are themselves lurid, but because people like to see other people die. But Rolling Stone can't just be upfront about it (like that old death-porn site, Ogrish) and say "Check it out! A couple of guys get wasted on camera!" Instead it's wrapped up in this false narrative of political import.


Posted by: Ace at 08:03 AM | Comments (73)
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1 YES!!

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at March 29, 2011 08:06 AM (6yyVB)

2 I hate motorcycles

Posted by: Crashpanic at March 29, 2011 08:07 AM (jFz45)

3 Casualty Vampires

Posted by: garrett at March 29, 2011 08:07 AM (NfGhh)

4 And I saw a motorcycle in Wasilla one time, so you know who is to blame.

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 29, 2011 08:07 AM (XdlcF)

5 So glad we have Yon there to take apart Rolling Stone.  Maybe another issue with Obama on the cover?

Posted by: EC at March 29, 2011 08:08 AM (GQ8sn)

6 Whoa, I just came from Yon's blog....Ace is reading my mind.  Scary.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 29, 2011 08:08 AM (UOM48)

7 I've had no use for Rolling Stone since the pup quit crapping on the floor. Otherwise, it is complete waste of 2nd rate paper. Written by the dishonest brainless for the stupid and pointless. I wouldn't be caught dead with a copy outside an outhouse.

Posted by: maddogg at March 29, 2011 08:08 AM (OlN4e)

8 People still read Rolling Stone and expect seriousness? Really?

Posted by: joncelli at March 29, 2011 08:09 AM (RD7QR)

9

Some folks* say that Cpl. Morlock was an avid Rolling Stone reader.

*the ones Obama is always arguing against in his speeches.

Posted by: sherlock at March 29, 2011 08:09 AM (JYBAr)

10 6 Whoa, I just came from Yon's blog....Ace is reading my mind.  Scary.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 29, 2011 01:08 PM (UOM4

So what are you thinking of now?  I want to get an idea of what Ace is gonna post next! 

Posted by: CDR M at March 29, 2011 08:10 AM (cqZXM)

11 RS isn't even good for following music and entertainment anymore.  Anyone who expects serious, legit journalism there needs to be smacked around vigorously.

Posted by: AoSHQ's worst commenter, DarkLord at March 29, 2011 08:10 AM (GBXon)

12

...Ace is reading my mind.  Scary.

It's a safe bet that we've already read what Ace gets around to posting.

Posted by: garrett at March 29, 2011 08:10 AM (NfGhh)

13 Sarah Palin hates motorcycles!!111!!!!!1

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 29, 2011 08:10 AM (UOM48)

14 >>Were they armed? I can't tell from the video I noticed this when I watched the video yesterday. You can't see exactly what happened because, as you said, a soldier steps into the view right before the shooting but you can clearly hear the soldier who did the shooting say that the guy on the motorcycle drew a weapon on him. My only reaction is nice shooting, soldier.

Posted by: JackStraw at March 29, 2011 08:10 AM (TMB3S)

15

Rolling Stone lying? Next thing you are going to tell me is that vaccines don't cause autism and the electronic voting machines weren't rigged for a Bush win.

I think somebody said this on the thread yesterday about Rolling Stone, but can you imagine if they were around to cover things about World War II in this way?

"And then the US soldiers advanced on a group of Japanese men out enjoying a day at the beach and slaughtered them where they sat."

Posted by: ParanoidAnxietyGirlInSeattle at March 29, 2011 08:12 AM (RZ8pf)

16 I noticed this when I watched the video yesterday. You can't see exactly what happened because, as you said, a soldier steps into the view right before the shooting but you can clearly hear the soldier who did the shooting say that the guy on the motorcycle drew a weapon on him.

According to Yon, these guys were noobs.  The "gunner" forgot to chamber the first round.  Oops!  You only get to make that mistake once on the battlefield.

Posted by: EC at March 29, 2011 08:13 AM (GQ8sn)

17

So what are you thinking of now?  I want to get an idea of what Ace is gonna post next! 

Posted by: CDR M at March 29, 2011 01:10 PM (cqZXM) 


Heh.  Well, I did forward him a link to a sadly hilarious piece about a hippy girl trying to get a small bidness loan for $500,000......to travel to Europe and put air from major cities in little jars to sell here.....and her name is Sequoia.....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 29, 2011 08:13 AM (UOM48)

18 That had it coming, I'm guessing they weren't wearing protective headgear and eye protection while driving said motorcycle.

Posted by: Tom at March 29, 2011 08:14 AM (MWXXs)

19 Was the RS reporter ever there, or did he do his "reporting" safely from his apartment in Brooklyn? MBM all the way Baby!

Posted by: Penfold at March 29, 2011 08:15 AM (1PeEC)

20 How do you get the air to stay in the jar?

Posted by: ParanoidAnxietyGirlInSeattle at March 29, 2011 08:15 AM (RZ8pf)

21 O/T, First Martha Mac, now Megyn Kelly, showing some bad roots.

Hair lady off this week?

Posted by: Tom at March 29, 2011 08:16 AM (MWXXs)

22 18 That had it coming, I'm guessing they weren't wearing protective headgear and eye protection while driving said motorcycle.

Posted by: Tom at March 29, 2011 01:14 PM (MWXXs) 


I never go biking without a helmet.  That's just scary.

Posted by: Dapper Barry at March 29, 2011 08:16 AM (UOM48)

23 Well, I did forward him a link to a sadly hilarious piece about a hippy girl trying to get a small bidness loan for $500,000......to travel to Europe and put air from major cities in little jars to sell here.....and her name is Sequoia.....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 29, 2011 01:13 PM (UOM4

Ah, how cute.  She could just say the air is from there and still sell the jars of air.

Posted by: CDR M at March 29, 2011 08:16 AM (JSetw)

24

I liked the part about how the AK didn't fire when the Tallyboy pulled the trigger, because he had not chambered a round.

I can just imagine OBL saying "Dammit, you buy them guns, you send them to bomb-school..."

Posted by: sherlock at March 29, 2011 08:16 AM (JYBAr)

25 shows American troops gunning down two Afghans on a motorcycle who may have been armed.

Oh, those poor Muslim youths sea kittens desert kittens.

Posted by: some moonbat at March 29, 2011 08:17 AM (Svo2R)

26 WTF.  Our contract says siesta till 3PM.  New post without union help?

STRIKE!

No peace, no justice, or something in Spanish.  Que?

Posted by: Ace's new co bloggers at March 29, 2011 08:17 AM (JpFM9)

27

How do you get the air to stay in the jar?

Her Native American Name is 'Girl Who Queefs Like Wind'.

Posted by: Chief Peyote Eagle-Feather at March 29, 2011 08:18 AM (NfGhh)

28 Why didn't BO go to the meeting in London today?  Over 40 leaders met to talk about Libya, but BO sent Hillary.

Posted by: momma at March 29, 2011 08:18 AM (penCf)

29 In Soviet Russia, Kitchen Sink throws you. Grim

Posted by: Grim at March 29, 2011 08:19 AM (gyNYk)

30 Is this the chic with the jewel on her forehead?

Posted by: Penfold at March 29, 2011 08:19 AM (1PeEC)

31

 Our contract says siesta till 3PM.  New post without union help?

Mine says that I'm to get a Pineapple.

Posted by: garrett at March 29, 2011 08:19 AM (NfGhh)

32

Ah, how cute.  She could just say the air is from there and still sell the jars of air.

Well, if Charles DeGaulle airport is any indication, you would have to fart in that jar to fool the experienced.

Posted by: maddogg at March 29, 2011 08:19 AM (OlN4e)

33

...Ace is reading my mind.  Scary.

It's a safe bet that we've already read what Ace gets around to posting.

Certainly by the second time.

Posted by: Back to my tunafich sammich at March 29, 2011 08:19 AM (FQACB)

34 30 Is this the chic with the jewel on her forehead?

Posted by: Penfold at March 29, 2011 01:19 PM (1PeEC)


And barefoot with underarm hair. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at March 29, 2011 08:20 AM (UOM48)

35 I don't know, I think she should've gotten the loan. Imagine the taxes the government could've collected on imported air...

Posted by: ParanoidAnxietyGirlInSeattle at March 29, 2011 08:21 AM (RZ8pf)

36 The Taliban wouldn't be forced to ride motorcycles if Afghanistan only had a High Speed Rail system...

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at March 29, 2011 08:21 AM (9hSKh)

37 It's shameless and tasteless to slander legitimate action by soldiers who are currently risking their lives for us by standing up to the Taliban.

As for the Kill Team, yeah, there's an important story there, about rogue sociopaths and a military stretched too thin to effectively police itself; an issue that does go all the way to the top.  Too bad no legitimate journalists are interested.

Posted by: sandy burger at March 29, 2011 08:21 AM (MT+0i)

38

And barefoot with underarm hair. 

Sometimes those are just sprouts.  Damn, Vegans.

Posted by: garrett at March 29, 2011 08:22 AM (NfGhh)

39 But Rolling Stone can't just be upfront about it (like that old death-porn site, Ogrish) and say "Check it out! A couple of guys get wasted on camera!" Instead it's wrapped up in this false narrative of political import.

So ... Rolling Stone is guilty of using the images for the exact purpose (along with supporting text, to help deceive) that they accuse the "Kill Team" of - the exact same purpose when Rolling Stone tries to hide a bit and claims that, even if the kill was legit, distributing the video that Roling Stone distributed was the moral issue.

Color me surprised.  Who believes anything they read in Rolling Stone, anyway?  Shit, who even reads Rolling Stone?  Those same douche bags from the NYT ad, no doubt.  Now THAT was truth in advertising.  What an annoying bunch of simps.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at March 29, 2011 08:23 AM (G/MYk)

40 Rolling Stone is still around? Cripes, the last time I saw it was back in college in the 80's.

I'm guessing the only people that still read it are aging Boomers/Xers who are thinking that they are still hip. You know, douchebags.

Posted by: MrCaniac at March 29, 2011 08:24 AM (oREHE)

41

She could just say the air is from there and still sell the jars of air.

As long as she remembered to piss in the one from "Paris".

Posted by: sherlock at March 29, 2011 08:24 AM (JYBAr)

42 momma - Why didn't BO go to the meeting in London today?  Over 40 leaders met to talk about Libya, but BO sent Hillary.

After being dissed on the wedding; I doubt he goes there again.

Posted by: Jean at March 29, 2011 08:24 AM (WkuV6)

Posted by: momma at March 29, 2011 08:24 AM (penCf)

44 I don't understand why the media is covering this.  Don't they realize that it's not Bush, Cheney, and Rummy who directly ordered it (like Abu-Ghraib), but Obama, Biden, and Gates who did.

They're the ones who should be led away in chains and put in the stockade to await show trial, right?  Right?

Posted by: FUBAR at March 29, 2011 08:24 AM (McG46)

45 Since we shot over 100 Tomahawks into Libya we probably nailed a few random bikers there too, or at least ran em into a ditch with a low fly-over.

Posted by: Dave at March 29, 2011 08:24 AM (FQACB)

46 I wouldn't wipe myself with that rag much less rear it.

Posted by: Tricky Dick at March 29, 2011 08:26 AM (bVka+)

47 These two killer were obvious renegade killer bikers high on opium on a mission from God to kill American soldiers and any uppity women in Western jeans they might come across.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at March 29, 2011 08:26 AM (tvs2p)

48 Stop trying to defend Obama's shock killer troops

Posted by: I. M. Hippy at March 29, 2011 08:28 AM (tvs2p)

49 Why didn't BO go to the meeting in London today?  Over 40 leaders met to talk about Libya, but BO sent Hillary.
Posted by: momma

Key word, "leaders", that's why Hilary went.

Posted by: MrCaniac at March 29, 2011 08:28 AM (oREHE)

50 OT:

A year before the Middle East uprisings that have shaken regimes across the region, a top al Qaeda operative from Libya was predicting that U.S. involvement in Afghanistan and Iraq would destabilize governments in the Muslim world and he outlined ways in which al Qaeda could capitalize on the chaos.

Posted by: momma at March 29, 2011 08:30 AM (penCf)

51

I saw what looked to be an ammo vest on one of the dead guys.  Guess he could have had it stuffed with sandwiches...

Posted by: moemo at March 29, 2011 08:32 AM (jYoCE)

52 ". . . and any uppity women in Western jeans they might come across." OMG! Has anyone alerted the secret service?

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at March 29, 2011 08:33 AM (Pzf4N)

53 Key word, "leaders", that's why Hilary went.

Posted by: MrCaniac at March 29, 2011 01:28 PM (oREHE)

If Shrillary went, it had to be a meeting for idiots.  She should have taken Barky and that retarded VP with her.  The US would have been sure to sweep the competition for dumbest team and most repulsive group of national representatives who bear no connection to the country they purportedly represent.

Shrillary should have taken her OVERCHARGED button with her, too.  She did so much work on that fiasco that she ought to get some use out of it.  And Libya is certainly overcharged, now.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at March 29, 2011 08:33 AM (G/MYk)

54 Fuck I'm getting tired of this shit. Already went through one round of the "military is shit", don't need another. So henceforth these articles will be ignored.

 Not dealing with these sorry-assed shitsplats.

Posted by: irongrampa at March 29, 2011 08:41 AM (ud5dN)

55

I can see that the Rolling Stone next week will say that the P-3C and the A-10 did not take out warships but Libyan Pleasure Yachts loaded with Peace flowers and Korans.

Posted by: CDR M at March 29, 2011 08:42 AM (Mv/2X)

56 Ace is reading my mind.  Scary.
Maybe you were channeling Hot Air, Jane?

Posted by: andycanuck at March 29, 2011 08:56 AM (/wCSE)

57 54 Key word, "leaders", that's why Hilary went.

Posted by: MrCaniac at March 29, 2011 01:28 PM (oREHE)

If Shrillary went, it had to be a meeting for idiots.  She should have taken Barky and that retarded VP with her.  The US would have been sure to sweep the competition for dumbest team and most repulsive group of national representatives who bear no connection to the country they purportedly represent.

Shrillary should have taken her OVERCHARGED button with her, too.  She did so much work on that fiasco that she ought to get some use out of it.  And Libya is certainly overcharged, now.

Posted by: iknowtheleft

Compared with the bunch in the White House, Hilary looks almost like Churchill. If she is compared to anyone who was an actually leader, she looks like Chamberlain.

Posted by: MrCaniac at March 29, 2011 08:56 AM (oREHE)

58 Those bike riders. Should've walked.

Posted by: Jigme Norbu at March 29, 2011 09:05 AM (FnIuw)

59 Mission Accomplished, Sarah Palin.

Posted by: toby928 at March 29, 2011 09:16 AM (GTbGH)

60

25 Ok, that was funny.

Sigh...until the American public gets ok with the notion of war being a nasty, dirty business we're going to lose, and a lot of people are going to die.

So far, that shitrag Rolling Stone is doing a bang up job keeping the American public in permanent anti-military outrage...and endless apologetic hand wringing over poor little natives who can't live their quaint little lifestyles...oy.

The infamous American ignorance of other countries is biting us in the ass big time right now.  Because they don't know any better, they'll believe anything the media tells them.

Posted by: unknown jane at March 29, 2011 09:21 AM (5/yRG)

61 Yon is trying to debunk the entire story based on incorrect facts about a single event. He's either missing the point, or trying to damn Rolling Stone by any means possible.

Posted by: T at March 29, 2011 09:48 AM (6QekN)

62

The Rolling Stone staff are a bunch of  pussies! May they be first to face the wrath of those whom they endorse.

Posted by: Buzzybuzzbuzz at March 29, 2011 09:55 AM (oCMdU)

63 No, what Yon is debunking is Rolling Stone's insinuation that the "kill team" was something more than a handful of murderous psychos, using this video to taint the entire brigade.

Posted by: radar at March 29, 2011 10:32 AM (1QNsu)

64  I've seen the road warrior and because of it I don't trust dudes on motorcycles.

Posted by: Marion "Cobra" Cobretti at March 29, 2011 10:42 AM (XvHmy)

65  If RS wanted to write an actual story they should've wrote on how 5th Stryker got mauled for 12 months in afghanistan because they were cut orders for Afghanistan on very short notice (when they were training for Iraq) and how the Stryker is a useless vehicle and can't take a hit to save its life. With the exception of travelling on MSRs from Point A to B Afghanistan is a light infantryman's fight.

Posted by: Marion "Cobra" Cobretti at March 29, 2011 10:46 AM (XvHmy)

66 Isn't Rolling Stone, some boy band, or some such nonsense?

Posted by: 1idvet at March 29, 2011 11:14 AM (xUxh3)

67

66 I'm beginning to believe that is because that is not what the American public wants to hear.  They want to hear that our servicemen and women are gentle, compassionate souls who only hand out relief supplies to needy villagers...so they can feel good about being the American public.

They don't want to hear about all this awful, dirty killing stuff.

Sorry, but I'm having a running, and increasingly nasty and personal, fight with a long time friend over the nature of war and how sometimes shit happens -- but that does not make American servicepeople crazed, psycho killer monsters when shit happens.  Seems as though smy friend thinks that anytime we kill anybody not male and over age 18, who isn't pointing a gun at your head screaming almonds in a snack bar, that makes you a murderer.  More ominous, that maybe American troops need to be psychoanalyzed because they are obviously deranged and are no better than murderers in our penal system...oy, oy...

No, this person is not a liberal... more conservative than I am actually.

 

So Rolling Stone and the MFM have done their job...smearing the military.

Posted by: unknown jane at March 29, 2011 12:11 PM (5/yRG)

68

People still read Rolling Stone and expect seriousness? Really?

Did people ever read Rolling Stone and expect seriousness?

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Posted by: jack at March 29, 2011 08:50 PM (wQj1+)

71 Were they armed? Listen up as*sholes, there aint no seein-eye dog in that squad. Watch it again. Thats a friggin ammo belt around the dead guy on the right. AK-47 ammo belt. Close-ups are blurry, but I think I saw grenade pouches as well. Rifles were obviously retrieved long before camera got close. So clearly their execution was righteous. 

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