February 28, 2015

WTF, Missouri? [Y-not]
— Open Blogger

This didn't get much coverage in the conservo-sphere during a news-heavy week, but I think it's tragic. Missouri's auditor, Tom Schweich, who had recently entered the Republican primary for governor, killed himself. Motive unknown at this point:

In a voicemail reportedly left just minutes before died, Schweich is heard asking the editor of the St. Louis Post-Dispatch editorial board Tony Messenger to send a reporter to his home.

"Tony, this is Tom Schweich calling," Schweich says in the recording posted on the paper's website. "You can have a reporter here at my house at 2:30."

Schweich also reportedly called and spoke with an Associated Press reporter just minutes earlier.

The Republican gubernatorial hopeful wanted to meet with the reporters to go public with allegations that head of his party had made anti-Semitic statements about him as part of a whisper campaign against him.

"This is only for you two and I hope you will not make it known that I am doing this," said Schweich. "To me, this is more of a religion story than a politics story, but it's your choice on who the reporter is."

Look, I know the responsibility for a suicide* rests on the person committing the act. That said, from what I've gleaned, the Republican primary had already turned very nasty. And it appears that Schweich's allegations about an anti-Jewish whisper campaign had merit:

In conversations with the AP, Schweich said he had heard that Hancock had been making phone calls last fall in which he mentioned in an off-handed way that Schweich was Jewish. Schweich said he felt the comments were anti-Semitic and wanted Hancock to resign the party chairmanship to which he had been elected last Saturday.

Hancock told the AP on Thursday that Schweich had talked to him about the alleged comments last November, but not since then. Hancock, who is a political consultant, said he held meetings last fall with prospective donors for a project to register Catholic voters. Hancock said that if he had mentioned that Schweich was Jewish, it would have been in the context that Hanaway was Catholic but that was no indication of how Catholics were likely to vote.

"I don't have a specific recollection of having said that, but it's plausible that I would have told somebody that Tom was Jewish because I thought he was, but I wouldn't have said it in a derogatory or demeaning fashion," Hancock said.

So party chairman Hancock admits to raising Schweich's religion (incorrectly, as it turns out) with Catholic donors. Sacred honor compelled him to do it, no doubt.

I don't know in what circles Hancock travels, but none of my Catholic family or friends or former professors (or any Catholic of my acquaintance) would hesitate to vote for a Jewish person. NONE.

Shame on him.

By the way, it appears Mr. Schweich was very good at his job.

Not that that mattered to his political opponents.

His funeral will be on Tuesday.


*Exceptions exist, imo. For example, any of the WTC "jumpers" who chose that path bore no responsibility, as far as I'm concerned. Also, these 7 year old so-called "suicide bombers" are NOT committing suicide -- they're being murdered.

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1 Sad. Read it yesterday.

Posted by: NCKate at February 28, 2015 12:20 PM (xLGue)

2 Wut?

Posted by: Some Newt at February 28, 2015 12:20 PM (lbgjb)

3 >>Sad. Read it yesterday. Stories like this remind me that it's important to step away from politics from time to time.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2015 12:21 PM (9BRsg)

4 Seems like there's more to the story. Something missing.

Posted by: NCKate at February 28, 2015 12:21 PM (xLGue)

5 Nobody ever killed them self over a "whisper campaign" about being Jewish (iirc he is Episcopalian, with a Jewish Grandfather). The guy's resume reads like he was CIA... Chief of staff @ US Ambassador to UN, drug interdiction job in Afghanistan, etc. It will be interesting to find out what this was really about, if we ever do.

Posted by: JDub at February 28, 2015 12:22 PM (X3xYu)

6 I miss the old days when our country made sense.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 28, 2015 12:22 PM (LImiJ)

7 Agree with you Miss Y. WTC people, the mentally challenged girls who were loaded with suicide vests by Al Qaeda in Iraq, the young children, no, they are not responsible at all. They were murdered. Bless this man and his family. I am so very sorry for their loss, and the pain they are experiencing.

Posted by: Moki at February 28, 2015 12:23 PM (bAB8f)

8 Sad story. Live boy?

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at February 28, 2015 12:23 PM (Sh0n/)

9 Schweich needed to physically beat the fuck out of Hancock.  The end of the code duello ended one mode of addressing backstabbing cocksuckers directly

Posted by: Grad School Fool at February 28, 2015 12:24 PM (A9KzJ)

10 So when they say it's the 'Show Me' state, they mean foreskin?

Posted by: Garrett at February 28, 2015 12:24 PM (POPOp)

11 I'm not going to piss on Hancock even if he he thought he was trying to smear Schweich by saying he was Jewish, Schweich should have responded by saying "so what?" not killing himself.  There was more wrong with Schweich then feeling slighted by an anti-semitic slur.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 28, 2015 12:24 PM (0KY4M)

12 Wait. "Minutes" before his suicide, he had arranged two interviews with 2 separate reporters concerning this fuckwad Hancock. So - I can't seem to credit this idea that this is suicide. It doesn't jibe. He was about to spill the beans, went through elaborate messaging, and was the NOMINEE. But poof- minutes later he "decides" to kill himself? This smells wrong.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at February 28, 2015 12:24 PM (scgac)

13 The thing about Hancock talking about  Schweich's religious affiliation (yes, wrongly) is that it really does matter to some voters here in Missouri. 

Whether anyone likes it or not,  a large portion  of the state's Republican voters come from demographics where being Jewish would  matter.  If you are  deciding  on which candidate to back for Governor, it DOES  matter whether your candidate is Jewish or Catholic or Evangelical or Athiest or whatever else. 

That Schweich  would decide to kill himself over this suggests  there HAD  to be something else going on here, and that something else is probably Schweich's mental health,  and NOT  what anyone else was  saying or doing. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2015 12:25 PM (Dj0WE)

14 I am not buying that he killed himself because someone made a Jewish remark.


Most Jews grow up with that shit, it's not something you shot yourself over.



I suspect there is A LOT more behind this.  Affair?  Sexuality?  Missing money?  Cancer?




We may never know, but like I said it's real stretch to think he was so offended that he shot himself


Posted by: Nip Sip at February 28, 2015 12:25 PM (0FSuD)

15 The other shoe will drop. This aint it

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at February 28, 2015 12:27 PM (Sh0n/)

16 Something doesn't fit.

Posted by: jmel at February 28, 2015 12:27 PM (cfFqn)

17 >>8 Sad story. Live boy? I don't think so. He sounds like he was a very intense person. I mean, that makes sense for an auditor anyway. But the charge he was making about MO's GOP chairman were serious enough that the chairman changed his travel plans to be in town for the presser. The presser was scheduled and cancelled once. Obviously Mr Schweich was very troubled (assuming he killed himself, which seems to be the case). But it turns my stomach that any political operative, let alone a state party chairman, would be dragging an opponent's (the party chairman backed a different candidate in the GOP gov primary) religion into any discussions with potential supporters. I think it's disgusting and there is no room for that. And this was the friggin' primary. GOP on GOP sleaze. smdh

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2015 12:28 PM (9BRsg)

18 So, false story planted about you, set up meeting with reporters to refute, then kill yourself minutes later? No sense.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 28, 2015 12:28 PM (MMC8r)

19 Russia have a consulate in MO?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 28, 2015 12:29 PM (0FSuD)

20 It is disgusting. The remedy is to put a spot light on it and hope good people will care

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at February 28, 2015 12:29 PM (Sh0n/)

21 The only way we can be absolutely sure it was really suicide is to look closely at the facts: Did he work for Hillary Clinton? Did he shoot himself in the back of the head & then drag himself to the park across the street, neatly place the gun right beside himself, & then quietly die without getting blood on the grass? Yup, definitely suicide.

Posted by: Dan Rather's Fact-filled Memo at February 28, 2015 12:29 PM (Q819Q)

22 >>>>Nobody ever killed them self over a "whisper campaign" about being Jewish (iirc he is Episcopalian, with a Jewish Grandfather). The guy's resume reads like he was CIA... Chief of staff @ US Ambassador to UN, drug interdiction job in Afghanistan, etc. It will be interesting to find out what this was really about, if we ever do. . . . .Same deal with the old CNO who shot himself. Mike Boorda. I am 98% certain he didn't kill himself because he was wearing a medal he was told he didn't earn.

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 28, 2015 12:30 PM (4oSLk)

23 But poof- minutes later he "decides" to kill himself? This smells wrong. - I'm no Adrian Monk but I think they call that a "clue".

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 28, 2015 12:30 PM (LImiJ)

24 >>He was about to spill the beans, went through elaborate messaging, and was the NOMINEE. No, he wasn't the nominee. He had just tossed his hat into the primary ring. It's not the outcome that I blame on Hancock, it's the mindset that someone's religious beliefs (or in this case, really just his heritage) should be used against them. Especially in a primary.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2015 12:30 PM (9BRsg)

25 Those of you who want  to go on the attack against Hancock, you  may want to look more closely at who  he is, and what he's been  doing for the last  several years, rather than this business here.

He's not  exactly my favorite guy, but the media  is going to  portray him as a monster,  and you would be  well  served by not  just   taking their word for it. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2015 12:30 PM (Dj0WE)

26 "It is disgusting. The remedy is to put a spot light on it and hope good people will care" That's how I feel about it, too.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2015 12:31 PM (9BRsg)

27 Kind of leaves him in the weird "I'm not a Jew, NTTAWWT" position

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at February 28, 2015 12:32 PM (Sh0n/)

28 Bilbo! Bilbo Baggins!

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Zombie Leonard Nimoy at February 28, 2015 12:32 PM (MMC8r)

29 This is a typical Republican gambit played out by Schweich. Make a big deal about your own principles and back out at the last minute, shooting yourself in the foot (or whatever) while doing it. He just got the back out and shooting yourself in the wrong order. It's a rare moment when a Republican can carry this move out successfully.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 28, 2015 12:33 PM (zpZLP)

30 He's not exactly my favorite guy, but the media is going to portray him as a monster, and you would be well served by not just taking their word for it. --- I realize that there will be that tendency. I read a lot of coverage of MO politics yesterday. What I find repulsive is his own admission that he brought up (wrongly, as it turns out) that a political rival was Jewish with voters he was courting. He can say "I didn't do it in a derogatory way" but simply the act of doing it is loathsome, imo. There's no place for that.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2015 12:33 PM (9BRsg)

31 Only three-feet tall!

Posted by: Mirror-Universe Zombie Leonard Nimoy at February 28, 2015 12:33 PM (MMC8r)

32 Sad. Poor family

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at February 28, 2015 12:34 PM (Sh0n/)

33 Hell of a good auditor.  Maybe the things that make him so good are the things that haunted him personally too.

Posted by: Dave S. at February 28, 2015 12:35 PM (UvR6d)

34 Missouri is having a time of it...there was a big shooting yesterday, I think 9 people were killed.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 28, 2015 12:35 PM (37e3g)

35 He brought it up because he thought it was derogatory. Because it's irrelevant otherwise

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at February 28, 2015 12:35 PM (Sh0n/)

36 In any event, this is a loss for Missouri in terms of losing an auditor who was kicking a lot of ass.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2015 12:35 PM (9BRsg)

37 Maybe the things that make him so good are the things that haunted him personally too. --- Probably. Very tragic. Left a wife and iirc two kids behind.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2015 12:36 PM (9BRsg)

38 I am an Episcopalian.  I find it amazing how we recruit so many former Jews that don't remember they heritage.



I give you  Madeleine Albright.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 28, 2015 12:37 PM (0FSuD)

39 their not they

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 28, 2015 12:37 PM (0FSuD)

40 Take my word for it or not, this is what I believe is going to be  figured out over time:  Schweich was suffering from  a mental illness, likely bipolar disorder.  He   was prone  to wild  mood swings, and paranoid delusions.

This  business about Hancock talking about him being Jewish, while superficially true, was nowhere  near the problem Schweich was starting to make it out  to be.  He had already contacted  the ADL, in addition to reporters, and  was apparently  trying to enlist the support of people who had allegedly heard Hancock make the comments. 

Again, the comments, which  Hancock readily admits he probably made, were to refer to Schweich as being Jewish.  That was all! 

Does it matter?  Yes, it matters.  Any Republican in Missouri who wants to run for state-wide office is going to have his religious affiliation examined.  It's what we do.  It doesn't mean  Schweich  would  NOT  have been supported by the party,  it just means  that in Hancock's  role, as party chairman, it needed to be discussed and considered.

No conspiracy, other than in Schweich's  mind, is most likely what we are going to find. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2015 12:38 PM (Dj0WE)

41 It's difficult if not impossible for me to believe someone would kill themselves over passive-aggro anti-semetism (particularly if he wasn't even Jewish).  Put me in the "more to this" camp.

Hancock's answers are pure consultant-class bullshit, regardless.  It would be all I could do not to slap that clown if he tried to sell me those lines to my face.  I'm f-ing sick of the smarmy "I'm lying and you know it but won't call me on it" crap that seems SOP these days.  It's time we stopped tolerating this bullshit.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 28, 2015 12:38 PM (QKIQb)

42 This is the same state that did the 3-ring circus that gave us Todd Akin (who was abandoned by the state GOP as soon as he won the primary, long before he shot himself in the mouth) a couple years back.

Posted by: steveegg at February 28, 2015 12:41 PM (cL79m)

43 I don't see how someone saying you are Jewish is anti-Semitic. There has got to be more to this.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2015 12:42 PM (g1DWB)

44 Missouri is having a time of it...there was a big shooting yesterday, I think 9 people were killed.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 28, 2015 05:35 PM (37e3g)



The first death, natural causes, was the perp's mother.  He then shot  eight people, seven of whom died, before killing himself.



Yes, this would likely be a huge news story, if the story served some larger purpose  for the media, which  I guess it doesn't. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2015 12:42 PM (Dj0WE)

45 >>Hancock's answers are pure consultant-class bullshit, regardless. I am shocked he would so readily admit to bringing up someone's religion like that. He could have denied it just to save the MO GOP's face a little.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2015 12:42 PM (9BRsg)

46 He didn't kill himself over it. but Hancock is a POS.

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at February 28, 2015 12:43 PM (Sh0n/)

47 Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2015 05:42 PM (Dj0WE) I hadn't heard any details, but mama was telling me about it yesterday. (I live in Arkansas but we're so close to the border that we get our news from Springfield) What set him off?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 28, 2015 12:44 PM (37e3g)

48 Hancock only brought it up because he thought it was damaging. Otherwise it is irrelevant. He is a POS

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at February 28, 2015 12:45 PM (Sh0n/)

49 >>I don't see how someone saying you are Jewish is anti-Semitic. I gather it was "not one of you" given that he said he was speaking with "Catholic voters." It's funny, except for where I'm living now where it's a big issue w/ my neighbors, I have navigated through my entire adult life without making a point of knowing the religions of the people I interact with. If they bring it up or it comes up in some natural context, fine. Otherwise, it's not an issue. I have never voted based on it.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2015 12:45 PM (9BRsg)

50 OK just read WSJ story about id theft. 


Anyone here use or recommend a IP mask program? Will this piss off Pixy?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 28, 2015 12:45 PM (0FSuD)

51 >>Hancock's answers are pure consultant-class bullshit, regardless.

I am shocked he would so readily admit to bringing up someone's religion like that. He could have denied it just to save the MO GOP's face a little.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2015 05:42 PM (9BRsg)



You obviously have a problem  with this discussion occurring, about a possible candidate for Governor's religion.  I don't know how  else to say it:  Religious  affiliation matters in Missouri.  You don't  have to like it, but as party chairman, Hancock would HAVE  to  be talking to insiders about Schweich's  religion.  It's relevant.  He wasn't going around smearing Schweich for being Jewish (which he wasn't), he was talking about it with the power brokers  in  the party, in the state. 


No badness involved.  None. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2015 12:46 PM (Dj0WE)

52 there was a big shooting yesterday, I think 9 people were killed. - I saw a picture of the perp. He had a baseball cap on. Frontwards. Teabagger.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 28, 2015 12:47 PM (LImiJ)

53 >>I am shocked he would so readily admit to bringing up someone's religion like that. He could have denied it just to save the MO GOP's face a little. Doesn't this happen all the time? People are still arguing over whether Obama is a Muslim or a Christian. Romney's Mormonism was a constant issue. I remember reading (I was a little young for this one) about Kennedy and how Historic First his Catholic presidency would be. I just don't get how it's anti-Semitic. Maybe it would have hurt him politically but it doesn't sound like something that would drive a guy to suicide.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2015 12:48 PM (g1DWB)

54 Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2015 05:42 PM (Dj0WE)

I hadn't heard any details, but mama was telling me about it yesterday. (I live in Arkansas but we're so close to the border that we get our news from Springfield)

What set him off?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 28, 2015 05:44 PM (37e3g)



No one seems to know, other than that  his mother had apparently been dead for about 24 hours before the killing spree started. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2015 12:48 PM (Dj0WE)

55 When I went to Army basic training in 1989, I had my tags read: "No preference"; discretion is the better part of valor. I agree there's something more going on, but telling any potential voters that a candidate is "Jewish" (or any religion) is politespeak for "kike". Even if Hancock himself doesn't care, he's patently trying to get a pretty unsavory point across to someone who might care.

Posted by: SFGoth at February 28, 2015 12:48 PM (9CBig)

56 Establishment 'republicans' gotta do what they do. 'people get ready, there's a long train comin'.

Posted by: Eromero at February 28, 2015 12:48 PM (go5uR)

57 Hancock was talking to catholic donors. About registering catholic voters. And then said this dude is a Jew. (Not like us wink wink). That makes him a POS

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at February 28, 2015 12:49 PM (Sh0n/)

58 You don't have to like it, but as party chairman, Hancock would HAVE to be talking to insiders about Schweich's religion. It's relevant. --- Since you're saying he was doing it out of some responsible act as GOP Chairman, you'd think he'd make the effort TO BE ACCURATE. Just sayin'.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2015 12:50 PM (9BRsg)

59 Yes, this would likely be a huge news story, if the story served some larger purpose for the media, which I guess it doesn't. - In the late '50s, Charles Starkweather killed roughly the same number and the country was in shock for months.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 28, 2015 12:51 PM (LImiJ)

60 I'll personally investigate this incident, and get to the bottom of it.

Posted by: Vladimir P. at February 28, 2015 12:52 PM (sdi6R)

61 Maybe it would have hurt him politically but it doesn't sound like something that would drive a guy to suicide. --- I agree with you. I'm sure there were many things that drove him to suicide. But this was the thing that appears to have been on his mind per the two reporters w/ whom he'd been speaking.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2015 12:52 PM (9BRsg)

62 Missouri sure does love their R's fundamentalist.  There's little doubt about that.  It's what rural voters will be looking for, if not first, soon thereafter.   So I think Hancock said it for a reason.

That said, Schweich had a good chance to win.  He'd have done well in St. Louis country, and I'm guessing Kansas City area too.  He did win statewide office twice, and was doing such a good job he barely had to run against anyone the second time. 

It's just really sad, more than anything.

Posted by: Dave S. at February 28, 2015 12:52 PM (UvR6d)

63 Rand Paul. Unpossible.

Posted by: OG CELTIC-AMERICAN at February 28, 2015 12:52 PM (lbgjb)

64 i'm with the others who think there's more than a little wrong with this "suicide"...

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 28, 2015 12:52 PM (jMMCO)

65 >>I don't see how someone saying you are Jewish is anti-Semitic.

I gather it was "not one of you" given that he said he was speaking with "Catholic voters."
Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2015 05:45 PM (9BRsg)


This  "speaking with Catholic voters"  thing seems to have sprung directly from the fact that Schweich's  likely  opponent  in the primaries would have been Catherine Hanaway, who is Catholic. 


So a more accurate statement  would perhaps  refer to the political split between backers of Hanaway and backers of Schweich. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2015 12:53 PM (Dj0WE)

66 The guy pointing out "that there's a Jew", is no conservative. But hey, who the hell knows what Republicans are really for or against anyway these days.

Posted by: Grumpyguy at February 28, 2015 12:54 PM (6OScs)

67 Burt it is obvious that Schweich heard about it from somebody who was at the meeting. Who thought it was antisemetic

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at February 28, 2015 12:54 PM (Sh0n/)

68 This "speaking with Catholic voters" thing seems to have sprung directly from the fact that Schweich's likely opponent in the primaries would have been Catherine Hanaway, who is Catholic. So a more accurate statement would perhaps refer to the political split between backers of Hanaway and backers of Schweich. -- He ID'd them as such. Moreover, nationally speaking, Catholics do not vote as a bloc. Perhaps they are different in Missouri.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2015 12:54 PM (9BRsg)

69 59 Yes, this would likely be a huge news story, if the story served some larger purpose for the media, which I guess it doesn't.



#Southernlivesdon'tmatter

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 28, 2015 12:55 PM (0FSuD)

70 So identity politics are the thing to stress. Not the ideas. Got it

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at February 28, 2015 12:55 PM (Sh0n/)

71 You don't have to like it, but as party chairman, Hancock would HAVE to be talking to insiders about Schweich's religion. It's relevant.
---

Since you're saying he was doing it out of some responsible act as GOP Chairman, you'd think he'd make the effort TO BE ACCURATE.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2015 05:50 PM (9BRsg)



Except that  no one appears to be supporting Schweich's claim, that this was being  done in any other manner than in passing, on occasion. 



Wait  until you hear someone say "Hancock was telling us not to support Schweich because he's Jewish"  before you jump to the conclusion this was going on. 



Right now all we know is Hancock thought he was Jewish, and appears to have said so on more than one occasion. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2015 12:57 PM (Dj0WE)

72
From last month:

Incumbent state GOP chairman Ed Martin and former party executive director John Hancock are competing in the election.

The battle lines also highlight the state Republican Partys ideological split. Martin, a lawyer and favorite of the tea-party wing, narrowly won the state post two years ago in a bitter contest in which he ousted incumbent David Cole. Hancock, a veteran political consultant, is believed to be backed by many of the partys top donors and longtime activists, some of whom were never in Martins camp.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 28, 2015 12:58 PM (kdS6q)

73 I've got a close friend who is a fed agent and lib operative in MO. He told me last night "it'll come out soon- it's not about religion, but I'm not going to be the one to tell it". Which is totally out of character for him. The Judaism thing is a squirrel, at best.

Posted by: JDub at February 28, 2015 12:58 PM (X3xYu)

74 Burt you are advocating voting based on identity. You know that right?

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at February 28, 2015 12:59 PM (Sh0n/)

75 68 Moreover, nationally speaking, Catholics do not vote as a bloc. Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2015 05:54 PM (9BRsg) The ones that I know are pretty solid New Deal Democrat. I think they grew up with a picture of FDR in their living rooms.

Posted by: rickl at February 28, 2015 12:59 PM (sdi6R)

76 Hancock must be from the Julius Streicher wing of the Missouri GOP.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 28, 2015 01:00 PM (ZbCKc)

77
And link to the rest of the backgrounder:

http://tinyurl.com/q7jhcpc

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 28, 2015 01:01 PM (kdS6q)

78 He ID'd them as such.

Moreover, nationally speaking, Catholics do not vote as a bloc.

Perhaps they are different in Missouri.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2015 05:54 PM (9BRsg)



Who ID'd whom  as such?  Hancock? 



Not from what I've heard.   All I've heard is that Hancock was at some event for Hanaway (who is Catholic).  Did it take place at some sort of Catholic  location? 



I really don't  know how or why this is being labeled as a Catholic vs. Jew thing.  Someone other than media types  need to weigh in on this.  Until they do, assume it's being stirred up by the usual suspects. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2015 01:01 PM (Dj0WE)

79 One consideration to the question of being Jewish was that he apparently wasn't. The response of 'I'm Episcopalian' would seemingly dispel it. At least enough to make it a very minor controversy. Killing yourself within minutes of setting up a meeting to end the controversy doesn't seem to make sense.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 28, 2015 01:01 PM (MMC8r)

80 Anyone here use or recommend a IP mask program? Like an encrypted proxy? I like IPVanish. $10 a month and you can be from a hundred different locations. For instance, if you want to watch some British-only BBC stuff, set yourself to be from London.

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 28, 2015 01:01 PM (rwI+c)

81 Burt you are advocating voting based on identity. You know that right?

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at February 28, 2015 05:59 PM (Sh0n/)



I'm not advocating anything other than for people like you to  stop jumping to conclusions  based on your ignorance. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2015 01:03 PM (Dj0WE)

82 So his religion is totally relevant

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at February 28, 2015 01:03 PM (Sh0n/)

83 Hancock maybe a POS, I don't know, but I can easily think of several contexts were the phrase "I think he is Jewish" might be spoken with no ill intent.

Q: Is he a church going man?

A: I don't know. I think he is Jewish.

Q: Is he the type to spout off some creationist nonsense?

A: I doubt it. I think he is Jewish.

Q: Is he a Mormon? The magic underwear jokes get old.

A: I don't think so. I think he is Jewish.

Etc.,etc.

There are any number of ways a conversation can go that makes the phrase "I think he is Jewish" both relevant and benign.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 28, 2015 01:03 PM (MkQKr)

84 Radical Jew getting all excited. http://tinyurl.com/ooedoro

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 28, 2015 01:04 PM (LImiJ)

85 75--true, but not universally so. Plenty of Catholics vote Republican, and I don't know one who is so anti-Semitic that they wouldn't vote for a Jewish candidate. There's much more to this story.

Posted by: Joe F. at February 28, 2015 01:06 PM (L3/XC)

86 OT: Rand Paul wins CPAC Straw Poll... 3,007 total votes: http://tinyurl.com/kvnvv86

Posted by: ColdBeer1 (Slap) ([b]T[/b]) [/i][/b][/u][/s] at February 28, 2015 01:06 PM (16bOT)

87 So his religion is totally relevant - I'd vote for Jebba the Hutt before I'd vote for a Muslim.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 28, 2015 01:06 PM (LImiJ)

88 We gotta register more catholic voters and increase their participation That guy is Jewish. She's catholic. Perfect

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at February 28, 2015 01:06 PM (Sh0n/)

89 Perhaps he was gay. Now *that*, coming out (NPI), could cause someone to commit suicide. Calling him a Jew, especially when he's not, would only boost him -- "Folks, nothing against our Hebrew cousins, but I'm Episcopalian, and if my opponent can't figure that out, you should vote for me."

Posted by: SFGoth at February 28, 2015 01:08 PM (9CBig)

90 75--I don't know about FDR, but I had a grandfather who had a huge picture of JFK in his living room.

Posted by: Joe F. at February 28, 2015 01:08 PM (L3/XC)

91 I don't think this was the driver in his suicide. But Hancock sounds like a POS

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at February 28, 2015 01:08 PM (Sh0n/)

92

Not gonna take a position on the hot topic under discussion.  Just note that it's quite sad, and remark that MO's main political data point to me is re-electing a despised, corrupt, Obama-supporting POS Dem senator because the challenger was too icky because of one stupid thing he said. 

 

Not singling out MO - the whole country has done all this to itself.  But MO - flyover heartland state.  Idiotic, histrionically corrupt, failed, racist, bumbling Dems get elected and re-elected forever all across the country.  Their party has done more damage to the country in a few years than anyone in all of our history.  Yet MO voters (enough, anyway) couldn't see clear to remove one of the enablers because the challenger said some bizarre things about abortion. 

 

OK.  Backlash, ebb and flow, pendulums swinging - my ass.  No guard rails, no pendulum, no center of gravity any more.  Unserious country, unserious voters.

 

 

Posted by: rhomboid at February 28, 2015 01:08 PM (afQnV)

93 Like an encrypted proxy? I like IPVanish. $10 a month and you can be from a hundred different locations. For instance, if you want to watch some British-only BBC stuff, set yourself to be from London.

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 28, 2015 06:01 PM (rwI+c)


That's cool, but I am just looking to mask IP from junk sites, hopefully for free.


Posted by: Nip Sip at February 28, 2015 01:09 PM (0FSuD)

94 That's cool, but I am just looking to mask IP from junk sites, hopefully for free. What does 'mask ip' mean in this context?

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 28, 2015 01:10 PM (VW/xp)

95 "Perhaps if he was gay."

This would make  a lot more sense. Although in other places, being gay would enhance his electoral chances....

Posted by: Joe F. at February 28, 2015 01:11 PM (L3/XC)

96 Luxemburg btw

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 28, 2015 01:11 PM (VW/xp)

97 We gotta register more catholic voters and increase their participation

That guy is Jewish. She's catholic.


Perfect

Posted by: ThunderB, Shapeshifter at February 28, 2015 06:06 PM (Sh0n/)



You're putting words in his mouth that  you have no way of knowing he said,  and  no one has  ever suggested he said.



Again, you are arguing from a position  of ignorance. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2015 01:12 PM (Dj0WE)

98 So what?  Is it now wrong to point out someone is Jewish?

The guy obviously had major mental issues if being "outed" as a Jew caused his suicide.

Posted by: Kal at February 28, 2015 01:14 PM (c/6XC)

99 What does 'mask ip' mean in this context?

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 28, 2015 06:10 PM (VW/xp)


Well, I see programs that will change your ip from your real one, which would mask your real one.

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 28, 2015 01:14 PM (0FSuD)

100 @95

As I mentioned way upstream, @14



I suspect there is A LOT more behind this. Affair? Sexuality? Missing money? Cancer?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 28, 2015 01:15 PM (0FSuD)

101 First problem, political consultants should not hold party offices--party officials should act for the goodness of the entire party rather than a particular consultants favored candidates. Second problem, political consultants are used to using smears, leaking false information, false flag operations, etc. Note that the chairman did not deny making the statements regarding religion because consultants simply do not see their actions controlled by petty morality. Political consultants, as a class, generally see the public as stupid and easily manipulated for gain, profit, and fun. As such, they might as well say "Hey Rube--that guy is a Jew" and rely on no one really checking their statement never thinking that their smear was unethical.

Posted by: wg at February 28, 2015 01:17 PM (Lq0lz)

102 Well, I see programs that will change your ip from your real one, which would mask your real one. If the remote site doesn't have your real ip, it cannot route messages back to you, so they ones you know about have to some kind of proxy. Can you give an example of a paid product that does what you want? If you just want to block yourself from known phishing sites etc, PeerBlock is a good free product.

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 28, 2015 01:17 PM (ul/wR)

103 Warsaw Poland

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 28, 2015 01:17 PM (ul/wR)

104 My wife and I had dinner with a Jewish couple last Saturday. (Some of my best friends are Jewish.) We got to talking about funniest movies and the husband suggested The Producers which I also think is very funny. My wife disagreed stating she didn't care for Mel Brooks. Husband said maybe you have to be Jewish to appreciate Brooks. His wife said but Great White Snark likes him. Husband said maybe he's Jewish. When I got home I checked. Yup. I'm circumcised.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 28, 2015 01:18 PM (LImiJ)

105 There are a lot of concepts regarding death that have to be learned: irreversibility, nonfunctionality, universality. While most 7 year olds know that death is irreversible and that dead people can no longer do things a living person could do, most at that age don't understand why people die, that all things die, and lastly that they themselves can die.

Posted by: Thebombdiggity at February 28, 2015 01:19 PM (TuiNV)

106 Y-not has lost his marbles. Shame on Hancock for mentioning in an offhand way to Catholics (and mistakenly) that Schweich is Jewish? Y-not jumps to the conclusion that Hancock was trying to get Catholics not to vote for Swhweich. On what basis? As Y-not himself notes, Catholics are NOT anti-Semitic, so how does he conclude that this is anti-Semitic? Just mentioning (rightly or wrongly) that someone is Jewish is anti-Semitic? That's insane, especially when we are talking about blaming somebody for someone else's suicide!

Posted by: Alec Rawls at February 28, 2015 01:20 PM (kTTUz)

107 @102

Thanks.  What about a cookie block program?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 28, 2015 01:20 PM (0FSuD)

108 test error 500

Posted by: foomanchew at February 28, 2015 01:21 PM (6qR/9)

109 I think y-not is a she ? am I wrong ?

Posted by: foomanchew at February 28, 2015 01:23 PM (6qR/9)

110 As I mentioned way upstream, @14 I suspect there is A LOT more behind this. Affair? Sexuality? Missing money? Cancer? Posted by: Nip Sip at February 28, 2015 06:15 PM (0FSuD) Mental illness, perhaps? I've also heard that he was on the autism scale (which would make him good with numbers), and perhaps he couldn't take the stress of the "accusation"?

Posted by: The Show Me Hat at February 28, 2015 01:23 PM (0Ew3K)

111 Don't dump on Hancock just yet. No real info. yet.

Besides, even if true, the story makes no sense. Schweich kills himself because someone is saying he's Jewish? WTF?

If we can make wild speculation, Schweich was on Sen. Danforth's staff in the investigation of Waco.

Posted by: Randall Hoven at February 28, 2015 01:23 PM (RXGuJ)

112 Eh, I need more details before I jump to conclusion. The MSM will beat the crap out of us without the facts, we should get some before jumping to conclusions. By all means pile on the party jackasses when we get the details (and many of these state level guys are jackasses, as we know, but not necessarily the reasons outlined in this story - so let's crucify them for all the right reasons). Let me say what a terrible loss and terrible tragedy to lose someone who was by all accounts gifted and good and brought potentially some needed skills to the race. Sounds like the kind of guy we could use more of in the party (while caveating I'm not so close to know the details). I agree its terrible if there was some vicious campaign - and one remark alone isn't enough but let's grant that there might be - but politics ain't bean bag. Wait until the Democrats got to beating up on him, what was going on here - if there was something - was absolutely nothing. There is more to come out for this to be a scandal, and whatever mental illness or personal demons drove him to what is by all accounts a suicide, no simple outside event serves as an explanation for a complex psychological tragedy.

Posted by: PrincetonAl at February 28, 2015 01:24 PM (0v6Aj)

113 106 -

Y-not is female.  The fact that you would  erroneously  refer to her as "him"  must mean that you  sir, are anti-male! 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2015 01:24 PM (Dj0WE)

114 What about a cookie block program? I looked and I'm running Better privacy https://addons.mozilla.org/fi/firefox/addon/betterprivacy/ I thought I was running another cookie cutter but I guess I lost it in some upgrade. Lightbeam is an interesting addon, if you want to see who is collecting data about you.

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 28, 2015 01:24 PM (HB9nk)

115 BurtTC is sexist for pointing that out... whisper..

Posted by: foomanchew at February 28, 2015 01:25 PM (6qR/9)

116 Helsinki

Posted by: toby928(C) at February 28, 2015 01:26 PM (HB9nk)

117 As I mentioned way upstream, @14

I suspect there is A LOT more behind this. Affair? Sexuality? Missing money? Cancer?

Posted by: Nip Sip at February 28, 2015 06:15 PM (0FSuD)


Mental illness, perhaps?

I've also heard that he was on the autism scale (which would make him good with numbers), and perhaps he couldn't take the stress of the "accusation"?

Posted by: The Show Me Hat at February 28, 2015 06:23 PM (0Ew3K)



Autism spectrum might make some sense too.  I keep hearing how "intense"  he was, and there was a reference to him acting like he had "too much coffee"  at times.  People keep using words like "tireless."



I'm leaning toward bipolar disorder.  Mainly  because this episode here  looks more like paranoid delusion. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2015 01:27 PM (Dj0WE)

118

link: Schweich audits exposed more than 30 government officials who violated state law and stole taxpayer money.

At least 30 reasons why Schweich "suddenly" died.

Unless he told his closest friends that he was suicidal and ready to kill himself, at wits end, these days the suicide-of-good-guys epidemic is unbelievable -- to assume a media report of every suicide is a suicide, never a murder made to look like a suicide.

What better distraction than the religion-squirrel landing in your face, esp. antisemitism, as if Schweich's death was for being Jewish, specifically for being ashamed of being born a Jew. That's preposterous. The most memorable lesson that WWII "Garbo" proved, is the more preposterous, the more people will swallow a story hook, line, sinker.

just saying.

Posted by: Missouri Show Me drive by at February 28, 2015 01:27 PM (vNlkp)

119 Prescription drug negative side effect: suicidal thoughts

Posted by: Missouri Show Me drive by at February 28, 2015 01:29 PM (vNlkp)

120 If you haven't been covering the mess Jezebel has been making for itself by printing a false Scott Walker story, one of their precious slanted amateur reporterettes got half a story from the Wisconsin budget and reported that Scott Walker stopped WisU from reporting sexual assaults. It turns out that the school ASKED for this change, because it's duplicating reporting that they already submit for federal data. This didn't stop a bunch of lefty orgs running with the story, though, before it all collapsed. Egg on face all 'round. The real point is this: What effed up opinion do they have of the other side, and how stupid, biased, and hate-filled are they that they don't question such a lunatic assertion? What possible reason could a governor have to stop reports of sexual assault, and then write that into a public document like the state budget? They appear to think Walker (and we) are a) psychopaths, b) idiots, and c)active pro-rape enthusiasts all at the same time. They really DO BELIEVE their own lunatic screeds, apparently. So much for the discernment of the 'reality-based' community.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 28, 2015 01:33 PM (MMC8r)

121 At least 30 reasons why Schweich "suddenly" died. Unless he told his closest friends that he was suicidal and ready to kill himself, at wits end, these days the suicide-of-good-guys epidemic is unbelievable -- to assume a media report of every suicide is a suicide, never a murder made to look like a suicide. What better distraction than the religion-squirrel landing in your face, esp. antisemitism, as if Schweich's death was for being Jewish, specifically for being ashamed of being born a Jew. That's preposterous. The most memorable lesson that WWII "Garbo" proved, is the more preposterous, the more people will swallow a story hook, line, sinker. just saying. Posted by: Missouri Show Me drive by at February 28, 2015 06:27 PM (vNlkp) Totes looks like a suicide to me...

Posted by: Vladimir Putin at February 28, 2015 01:33 PM (0Ew3K)

122 OT-The cartoon about the robins in the gardening thread below is funny and cute, but I went to the cartoonist- Dave Grandlund's site. He's obviously a big liberal He has this on Bibi speaking to Congress http://tinyurl.com/pf2zxl5 And I'm not even going to link the one on Giuliani. Guess what? Grandland thinks Rudy is a big-Begins and an " r" and ends with a "t" (the r word). Uggh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2015 01:34 PM (DXzRD)

123 Totes looks like a suicide to me...

Posted by: Vladimir Putin at February 28, 2015 06:33 PM (0Ew3K)



I shouldn't  admit it, but that made me laugh. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2015 01:35 PM (Dj0WE)

124 It's increasingly clear that the Republican Party as a whole has become incredibly dysfunctional. More frighteningly the party as a whole has abandoned all principal. The party is in it's last gasps.

Posted by: Kreplach at February 28, 2015 01:37 PM (T/zmH)

125 Enough bickering about this when we should be bickering about DST starting in two weeks.

Posted by: lowandslow at February 28, 2015 01:37 PM (0KY4M)

126 Wait, what the hell exactly is a whisper campaign?  That's like Kid Rock talking about Beyonce's ample ass, no?

Posted by: Fritz at February 28, 2015 01:39 PM (dVmLD)

127 Wait, what the hell exactly is a whisper campaign? That's like Kid Rock talking about Beyonce's ample ass, no? Posted by: Fritz at February 28, 2015 06:39 PM (dVmLD) Kid Rock: Butt Whisperer

Posted by: The Whispering Hat at February 28, 2015 01:40 PM (0Ew3K)

128 Butt whispering?  Ooh, I'll try  that!  Ima  gonna  go get my dad so  he can watch. 




Posted by: Alison Williams at February 28, 2015 01:42 PM (Dj0WE)

129
Totes looks like a suicide to me...
Posted by: Vladimir Putin




Tragic. Simply tragic.
Posted by: Hillary Clinton

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 28, 2015 01:43 PM (kdS6q)

130 Posted by: rhomboid at February 28, 2015 06:08 PM (afQnV) It's a heartland flyover state, sure, but I don't think Kansas City and St Louis have ever been anything but Dem strongholds for decades.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 28, 2015 01:43 PM (rEXjZ)

131 Ah.  After viewing some photos of Tom, it appears he had some health issues.  Just an observation.

Posted by: Fritz at February 28, 2015 01:43 PM (dVmLD)

132 Beyonce's ample ass doesn't whisper, it barks like a bullfrog.

Posted by: foomanchew at February 28, 2015 01:43 PM (6qR/9)

133 Haven't read the comments, but yes WTF? Just a month ago he announces he's running for Gov. He's been elected to state ofc twice so his "Jewishness" would seem a non-factor. And 8 minutes prior to pulling the trigger he calls the Post for an interview? Something doesn't compute.

Posted by: olddog in mo [/i] [/s] [/b] [/u] at February 28, 2015 01:44 PM (3eZI/)

134 did you know Bob Dylan is Jewish ? or was ?

Posted by: foomanchew at February 28, 2015 01:46 PM (6qR/9)

135 did you know Bob Dylan is Jewish ? or was ? Posted by: foomanchew at February 28, 2015 06:46 PM (6qR/9)\ Shit we got enough problems for pete's sake

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2015 01:48 PM (nzKvP)

136 I can see where people are suspicious that he died right after asking reporters to come to his home, but I can also see a person in the throws of crazy to do that very thing. I mean, how often do people ask for the press to come to their homes?! Sounds like he intended for them to find him.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 28, 2015 01:48 PM (rEXjZ)

137 It's increasingly clear that the Republican Party as a whole has become incredibly dysfunctional. More frighteningly the party as a whole has abandoned all principal. - Explains that sign I saw driving into D.C., "Abandon all principal ye who enter here."

Posted by: The Great White Snark at February 28, 2015 01:48 PM (LImiJ)

138 did you know Bob Dylan is Jewish ? or was ? Posted by: foomanchew at February 28, 2015 06:46 PM (6qR/9) Hell, with the way he sings like his jaw is wired shut I don't even know if he's speaking English.

Posted by: Berserker-Dragonheads Division at February 28, 2015 01:48 PM (FMbng)

139 I'm just sayin' I wouldn't be surprised if the police investigation found Max Von Sydow from 'Three Days of the Condor' hiding in the closet.

Posted by: Zap Rowsdower at February 28, 2015 01:50 PM (MMC8r)

140 Posted by: rhomboid at February 28, 2015 06:08 PM (afQnV)


It's a heartland flyover state, sure, but I don't think Kansas City and St Louis have ever been anything but Dem strongholds for decades.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 28, 2015 06:43 PM (rEXjZ)



Also worth noting:  Last two Presidential elections, Obama got significantly less that 50% of the vote  in Missouri.  In spite of having two large  Dem cities book-ending  the state. 

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2015 01:51 PM (Dj0WE)

141 125 Enough bickering about this when we should be bickering about DST starting in two weeks. Posted by: lowandslow at February 28, 2015 06:37 PM (0KY4M) I hate DST. *throws chair*

Posted by: rickl at February 28, 2015 01:52 PM (sdi6R)

142 NOOD less depressing thread for your amusement.

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2015 01:54 PM (9BRsg)

143 Throes, not throws, damn autocorrect doesn't recognize it?!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at February 28, 2015 01:54 PM (rEXjZ)

144 Hell of a good auditor. Maybe the things that make him so good are the things that haunted him personally too.
Posted by: Dave S. at February 28, 2015 05:35 PM (UvR6d)


I always believed that certain industries and profession have their own risks and typical forms of industrial disease:
Coal miners = Black lung
Ship-fitters working with asbestos = mesothelioma
Textile workers = Brown lung
Auditors / special prosecutors = Sudden suicide syndrome
Gonzo nature hosts = Being stabbed to death by a stingray

Nothing to do about it I am afraid, outside of outlawing the professions that serve us so well.  A shame, really, to think of the family that is left behind

Posted by: Kindltot at February 28, 2015 01:55 PM (t//F+)

145 I may be alone, but I ain't voting for any damn Mohammedan. I denounce myself.

Posted by: nip at February 28, 2015 01:56 PM (jI23+)

146 He wasn't a practicing Jew, so this wasn't a comment about his faith. He had a Jewish grandfather, so it wasn't necessarily his heritage, either.

Posted by: Tatooine at February 28, 2015 01:58 PM (Y92Nd)

147 He wasn't a practicing Jew, so this wasn't a comment about his faith. He had a Jewish grandfather, so it wasn't necessarily his heritage, either. Posted by: Tatooine at February 28, 2015 06:58 PM (Y92Nd) None of that matters. Once a Jew, always a Jew to anti-semites. But this one sounds weird to me and no matter what his Jewish Heritage, I have a hunch he was non to stable to begin with.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2015 02:05 PM (nzKvP)

148 Like other denominations, the Catholics who actually take their faith seriously and attend Mass regularly tend to be more conservative than the "cradle Catholics" who seldom go to church. I know some pretty conservative Catholics. I don't know any Catholics who would not vote for a Jew. Wisconsin elected Feingold and Kohl to the Senate. All the prog Catholics loved them. Conservatives Catholics like me detested them, but not because they were Jews.

Posted by: Donna &&&&&& V. (brandishing ampersands) at February 28, 2015 02:07 PM (+XMAD)

149 I'm in St. Louis and knew him a bit.  Great, hard working guy.
This is devastating. 
What really gets me is that there was only 7 minutes between asking for that interview and the 911 call.  Which means less than 7 minutes before he shot himself.
WTF?
He didn't even sound distressed in any way when he left that voicemail asking for the interview.
Just Weird.  Very strange.

Posted by: matthewjohn at February 28, 2015 02:28 PM (7pEow)

150 Sudden Suicide Syndrome. Does it exist?

Posted by: Bob Belcher at February 28, 2015 02:34 PM (glJL/)

151 "Sudden Suicide Syndrome. Does it exist?"

Exposing corruption get you suicided...













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Posted by: Missouri Show Me drive by at February 28, 2015 02:36 PM (vNlkp)

152 "Y-not jumps to the conclusion that Hancock was trying to get Catholics not to vote for Swhweich. On what basis? As Y-not himself notes, Catholics are NOT anti-Semitic, so how does he conclude that this is anti-Semitic?

Just mentioning (rightly or wrongly) that someone is Jewish is anti-Semitic? That's insane, especially when we are talking about blaming somebody for someone else's suicide!"

He "might have" mentioned that his guy's opponent was Jewish and his guy was Catholic, but hey, that's not telling you how you should vote?

Are you buying that? C'mon. 

As for Catholics NOT being anti-semitic, it might not be an official church position anymore, and no one might have said "we hate Jews," but "vote for the Catholic not the Jew" is toeing that line, and that's giving Hancock the benefit of the doubt based on his own self-serving statements.  I know plenty of Catholics in So Cal who aren't warm and fuzzy about Jews even if they aren't openly anti-Semitic.  I know Catholics who can't stand Protestants or Mormons, either, so it's hardly a stretch to believe Jews might be on the receiving end of some of their cold shoulders.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at February 28, 2015 02:42 PM (QKIQb)

153 My Democrat relatives were on my porch once, trashing Palin to my visitors, doing the basic Alinsky things ... personalize and demonize.  I stood up for her a little and was told "you sound just like Rush", meant as an insult.  I like Rush, but don't listen to him.

Then they were talking TARP and I brought up that Dem's had more money in the bankers than Repub's (as Coulter had pointed out) and I was called anti-semitic (indirectly, by the Jewish guy).  Took me a while to even figure out how that fact made me anti-Semitic, but apparently all bankers are Jewish.

There is a certain level of "anti-Semitic card" that gets played like the race card, unfairly at times.  It demands a special hypersensitivity that I don't like, especially as applied to me in that instance.

I don't believe the Bible is perfect, but I'm very pro-WASPy because of how the founders turned those beliefs (mostly) into our constitution, and separated their faith from our constitutional powers.  I'm "anti-Catholic" on some points, like the Pope being in control of pushing Marxist like positions like social justice or now the global warming crap.  Religions should be decentralized like government, as I see it.  Power corrupts.

I have two Jews in my family, I've never noticed any anti-Semitism in the area (I'm very close to Missouri).  The problem with Jews and Catholics in the US is too many of them vote Democrat.  Other than that I don't know that people really care very much, but some do maybe.   

Is it hateful and evil to mention Santorum is Catholic, any more than to say someone else is Jewish?  And this guy was not Jewish, so being demeaned for that would have given him a political edge ... he got to play the anti-Semitic card, plus not be Jewish, and he was playing that card to reporters.  Something else was going on with the guy, or with the situation.

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 28, 2015 02:47 PM (p4hYf)

154 The anti-Jewish stuff is something you would expect from Democrats.

Posted by: Sho Nuff at February 28, 2015 03:03 PM (jtxl6)

155 "You're Jewish!"

"Oh shit. Now I've got to kill myself."

Posted by: Randall Hoven at February 28, 2015 03:04 PM (RXGuJ)

156 this will probably get some coverage because it was a republican. really anyone that is an anti-semite shouldn't be in office, and that goes for the democratic party, too. sure, the responsibility for suicide rests with the person that kills him or herself, but people can be placed under so much stress due to harassment, attacks, and persecution that they break. every person has his or her breaking point. i doubt this guy just killed himself because someone said, "hey, that guys jewish." there have a lot of really nasty, ugly, and very illegal things that have been done by politicians grasping to hold on to power. until someone does some serious digging, who is to say that this guy wasn't being threatened in some way? there is a something here.

Posted by: Mistress Overdone at February 28, 2015 03:14 PM (2/oBD)

157 153 I don't believe the Bible is perfect, but I'm very pro-WASPy because of how the founders turned those beliefs (mostly) into our constitution, and separated their faith from our constitutional powers. I'm "anti-Catholic" on some points, like the Pope being in control of pushing Marxist like positions like social justice or now the global warming crap. Religions should be decentralized like government, as I see it. Power corrupts. Posted by: Illiniwek at February 28, 2015 07:47 PM (p4hYf) Well said. It needs to be pointed out that it was English-speaking Protestants who created the American Revolution, the Industrial Revolution, and thus the modern world itself. Catholic culture could never have done that. You want to see Catholic society in action? Look at Latin America. Do you think they could have gone to the Moon? The very idea is ridiculous. The modern world was created entirely by white English-speaking Protestants. I don't give a shit if anybody is offended by that statement.

Posted by: rickl at February 28, 2015 03:17 PM (sdi6R)

158 Well, I'm Catholic and I agree with you that if this country had been founded by Roman Catholics, it would not be the country it is,and I guess it would look a lot like Latin America.
That said, I think you are generalizing a bit and giving to much credit to Protestantism in general when it was a very specific type of English Protestant of a specific time and place, and from a specific area of England--the Midlands--who alone could have conceived  this nation.
What I mean is, do you think Scandinavian Lutherans could have founded this nation? Then why isn't Sweden or Norway more like the US?
Also, do you think the Anglicans who were instrumental in the founding of the southern  colonies could have pulled it off? No. Though they provided a lot of the intellectual  firepower and contributed  to the founding, they couldn't have done it alone and if they did, the US would have had a class system and an established Church--and it would look like Latin America. Only more genteel.
Likewise with the Scotch-Irish Presbyterians who cleared the woods and settled what was at time "the west." Of course they contributed to the founding--but could they have made it work if they were running the show? The nation would have fallen apart before it began.
No it came down to the  yeoman farmers from the English Midlands , Puritans, who followed their faith and lit out for the new world with a dream of making a new life for themselves in which they could live by their own principles and guiding faith. They provided the blueprint and the spark. It could only have been them and only at that point. A hundred years either way, and the situation would have been totally different.
So no, as a Catholic I'm not the least bit offended--however hard you tried to offend--by your reasoning because there's logic behind it.
But remember, the country has gone places even Puritan founders could not have envisioned  and millions of Catholics from all over the world--especially the ones who  came over during the great migrations from the 1840's to about 1915 contributed mightily to making  the nation what it became when it was at it's zenith.

Posted by: JoeF. at February 28, 2015 05:39 PM (8HGb7)

159

Well, too bad I didn't see this post earlier. Probably no one will read this by now, but in case someone does: I worked campaigns for the Missouri GOP several times from 2006 to '08, and there is a lot of stuff behind the scenes that would not look good if it got on the nightly news. For one thing, the intra-party inbreeding and viciousness is unbelievable; party leaders can and do destroy a candidate for office if he's perceived to be "jumping in line" or defying the good ol' boy club. For another, there is a good deal of racism at certain levels in the party; I don't recall hearing anything anti-Jewish, but there was some invective against blacks, Hispanics, etc. Nothing really virulent, but still pretty uncomfortable to listen to.

 

I don't know if any of this has a bearing on what happened to Schweich, as I'm no longer involved with the party (the Democrats are just as bad in their own ways, in case anyone was wondering). But I have no trouble believing that there was some savaging of him going on, and that that had something to do with his death. I also wouldn't be surprised if someone had something on him as well. Either way, there's certainly a lot more going on here.

Posted by: T at February 28, 2015 06:14 PM (BWaO+)

160 Y-not, you're jumping to conclusions. You don't know the context of Hancock's "he's a Jew" comment. It isn't a stretch that religion would come up in a meeting with a religious group. And the antisemitism card is too easy to play against republicans. In any case, if that had anything to do with the suicide - which, by placing these events next to each other in news reports and blog posts, some are clearly trying to imply - Schweich had far bigger problems. Do any of you MO peeps know if there's truth to the claim in the radio ad that Schweich was supported by the dems on behalf of Koster?

Posted by: RR at March 01, 2015 02:22 AM (DBEQZ)

161 "For example, any of the WTC "jumpers" who chose that path bore no responsibility, as far as I'm concerned. " I think they were aiming to live. You might survive a fall of a mile, there's a stewardess who made it that far. You will not survive standing in a roaring inferno.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 01, 2015 11:13 AM (8rRE+)

162 "You don't know the context of Hancock's "he's a Jew" comment. It isn't a stretch that religion would come up in a meeting with a religious group. " Yeah I read it that way too, that he probably mentioned his religion in discussing the man. I don't think it's admitting to robocalls.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at March 01, 2015 11:14 AM (8rRE+)

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Great white Snark: "I miss the old days when our country made sense." 

rhomboid: "No guard rails, no pendulum, no center of gravity any more. Unserious country, unserious voters."

 

"Unserious country, unserious voters."

 

Sounds like you don't love America.

Just what is meant by loving America? If you don't like the current direction of the culture or the current makeup of the electorate, you still loudly trumpet your love of country....

 

Because when you say you love America you mean that you love a (possibly mythical) previous state of it that existed... when exactly?

 

After lynchings, but before divorce?  After slavery, but before pot? After female suffrage, but before women's lib?

 

For a few weeks in 1957?

Posted by: d at March 02, 2015 08:13 AM (Cp1w2)

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