March 31, 2010

Why Pretend to Open Up Domestic Oil Exploration?
— Dave in Texas

To find someone else to blame (hint: ChevronTexaco, et.al) for the increase in gasoline prices while the crushing economy and job market hammers Americans.

Short version if you don't feel like listening to it: Obama makes a meaningless announcement while the other wheels of obstruction to domestic energy production gear up to prevent any new production. Who has standing to sue and prevent the actual production? Every damned environmental organization that has been suing to shut down production and refinement for the last 30 years, that's who.

Here's a little arithmetic reminder from some of my past posts on the topic, the price of oil is approximately 55% of the price of a gallon of gasoline. Most other costs, delivery, refinement, marketing and distribution, are pretty much fixed.

This announcement from Obama is worth exactly what his promise not to raise taxes on the middle class is worth.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at 06:18 PM | Comments (164)
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1 Surely you jest.

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 31, 2010 06:20 PM (ucq49)

2 Obama wants gas to be $7.00 or more per gallon.  This is all kabuki-fu.

Posted by: Boots at March 31, 2010 06:23 PM (06JTY)

3

Sarah calls it like it is, takes Obama’s silly Chicago game, turns it into a slogan, and turns him back into the bufoon

The ball is back in Obama’s court, does he have a better swing?

Stall …. yeah, its like a place where a horse goes …. where the policies of Socialism belong, right next to the large pile of steaming manure.

Posted by: Cromagnum at March 31, 2010 06:25 PM (UGrme)

4

Hey .. you need to add Palin's Commentary

Stall Baby Stall

Posted by: Cromagnum at March 31, 2010 06:26 PM (UGrme)

5 This is a two-prong sham: 1. play bipartisan boy to garner more independent support which has tanked for him; and 2. possibly influence the commoditities market to bring down price per barrel on speculation that supplies will be incereasing.  Even Barry knows that $4.00 + per gal gas will cause a shitstorm he cannot possibly weather.  As the poster argues, since he's doing other thing sto obstruct energy, he can still keep his foot in left field whilst pursuing 1 and 2 above.

Posted by: sladenyv at March 31, 2010 06:26 PM (saiGq)

6

We oil guys are laughing at the disingenuous bullshit of this announcement.

It is not unexpected that McCain tweeted today to thank Obama. McCain is such a fucking idiot, I sometimes wonder how he remembers to breath.

Posted by: TexasJew at March 31, 2010 06:26 PM (pk/xZ)

7 Obama blows another stinky fart into the American public's face and tells you it's oil exploration.  It's only another Obama stink bomb like healthcare.

Posted by: Fish at March 31, 2010 06:26 PM (M5t+h)

8 see Palin's post over at The Corner tonight?

Stall, Baby, Stall

Many Americans fear that President Obama’s new energy proposal is once again “all talk and no real action,” this time in an effort to shore up fading support for the Democrats’ job-killing cap-and-trade (a.k.a. cap-and-tax) proposals. Behind the rhetoric lie new drilling bans and leasing delays; soon to follow are burdensome new environmental regulations.  Instead of “drill, baby, drill,” the more you look into this the more you realize it’s “stall, baby, stall.”.......

(sorry for the third post of this, its good stuff though)

Posted by: Cromagnum at March 31, 2010 06:27 PM (UGrme)

9 I'm curious if all that off-shore oil exploration would lead to unexpected consequences, i.e., Florida tipping over. I think we should study this.

Posted by: The Honorable Hank Johnson, D-Petri Dish at March 31, 2010 06:30 PM (2PTT7)

10 Are you fucking kidding me?  This is a BIG FUCKING DEAL!

Posted by: Joe Biden at March 31, 2010 06:30 PM (j4xgZ)

11 This was a meaningless announcement that will never be fulfilled. Yes, perhaps now they can apply for permits to drill. The EPA will sit on them and they will never be approved. A win/win for Obama with his base and a few other ignorant folks.

Posted by: Bill R. at March 31, 2010 06:33 PM (EhlQq)

12 Sucking oil from the ground will make a giant hole that my island will fall into.

Posted by: Dumb Ass From Guam at March 31, 2010 06:33 PM (1vcwB)

13 To look "Centrist" coupled with my suspicion that it's an attempt to sway those SouthEastern voters. He looks centrist and can claim he's working to get jobs specific to their region.

Posted by: Traci at March 31, 2010 06:33 PM (/L+UX)

14 Im gonna call in those oilbagging companies, and grill them about why they keep posting bad stuff about us in thier SEC filings. Don't they know we have an election to lose?

Posted by: waxman at March 31, 2010 06:33 PM (UGrme)

15 @9 Eh, one day story at tops. Still helps his "bipartisaness" There wont be rigs all over the place offshore, those things take years to build

Posted by: Jollyroger at March 31, 2010 06:33 PM (3j9X5)

16

When you cut through the crap, Obama's announcement added up to:

* Canceled five lease sales off the Alaska coast that were planned over the next 2 years. One of the areas is estimated to hold up to 77 billion barrels of oil, or more than 3 times US reserves.

* Commissioned a study of the southern Atlantic OCS, with the findings due back next year....no leasing at this time.

* Delayed a planned lease sale off Virginia until at least 2012.

Probably in a back-room deal with Maxine Waters right now on how to nationalize the oil industry.  No need for all that money to go to the Saudi's or the oil companies when it could be going into the pockets of Democrats.

It's the "Chicago way".



Posted by: GarandFan at March 31, 2010 06:34 PM (6mwMs)

17 I said on last night's ONT that his announcement is a fucking lie and I stand by my statement.  It is a sop to the right to get support for cap and tax.

Posted by: huerfano at March 31, 2010 06:35 PM (gLSaO)

18 I'm curious if all that off-shore oil exploration would lead to unexpected consequences, i.e., Florida tipping over. I think we should study this.

Posted by: The Honorable Hank Johnson, D-Petri Dish at March 31, 2010 11:30 PM (2PTT7)

Hank, Florida is shaped like a penis so to tip it over you must bobbitize Florida up around Jacksonville,  and it will sink because of all the Joooooooos money in South Florida.

Posted by: Fish at March 31, 2010 06:35 PM (M5t+h)

19 He really is whizzing on our shoes and telling us it's raining...

Posted by: rawmuse at March 31, 2010 06:36 PM (AMis9)

20

"D-Petri Dish "

LOL

Posted by: MDr VB1.0 CS1st at March 31, 2010 06:37 PM (ucq49)

21 Who has standing to sue and prevent the actual production? Every damned environmental organization that has been suing to shut down production and refinement for the last 30 years, that's who.

Wouldn't it be nice if those same standards of standing applied to really important litigation ... about people in positions that really affect us ...

That would be a decent world.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 31, 2010 06:37 PM (N49h9)

22

Why are we dependant on MUSLIM OIL?

wanna know.

Posted by: Woolie at March 31, 2010 06:38 PM (lHNVD)

23 Why are you giving air time to this fucking Negro?  You are punching down.

Belay that.  In a sober microsecond, this looks like the Magic Negro is doing something responsible.  What.  The.  Fuck.  Could it be?

I'll believe it when I see it.  Frankly, I think it's a hoax.  He wants to see of Republicans will be against him on everything, even things we all know Republicans are for.  Do not fall for it!

Proper GOP response:  "Great idea, chief!  But we want even more, faster.  And don't fuck with us.  Don't ever fuck me, Tony.  I mean, Barry."

Posted by: Randall Hoven at March 31, 2010 06:38 PM (2AT/X)

24 Handy tip:  Whenever odumbass is saying one thing, you can be damn sure he is doing the opposite. 

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 31, 2010 06:38 PM (7VvJB)

25

Offshore Virginia (ie, Baltimore Canyon) has appeared to be a lousy oil basin, so that 's just bullshit. And drilling if it ever occurs won't start for at least 7-10 years. Whoopty-doo.

ANWR is just sitting there on land and with the Alayeska pipeline right down the road. Obama (and McCain) don't want to drill ANWR.

End of story.

Posted by: TexasJew at March 31, 2010 06:39 PM (pk/xZ)

26 And the clowns at NRO ate it up.

Posted by: eman at March 31, 2010 06:39 PM (3fzoU)

27 The sign on the gas pumps in California says that taxes make up about 33 cents per gallon of the price of gas.  So, even if the oil companies gave it away, it would still cost 33 cents a gallon, which is thirteen cents a gallon or more higher than we paid when I was a kid.

Posted by: OCBill at March 31, 2010 06:40 PM (p28Ei)

28

ANWR is just sitting there on land and with the Alayeska pipeline right down the road. Obama (and McCain) don't want to drill ANWR.

Posted by: TexasJew at March 31, 2010 11:39 PM (pk/xZ)

It's the snowflakes.  They're delicate ... and unique ...

Don't you have a heart?  The snowflakes will die!!

Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 31, 2010 06:40 PM (N49h9)

29

Im just cooling off, and getting ready to reload.

Next stupid attempt to pawn 'Energy" gets it again.

 

Put that Socialist crap back in the Stall, right next to a steaming hot pile of manure.

Posted by: Palin's Shotgun at March 31, 2010 06:42 PM (UGrme)

30

Posted by: GarandFan at March 31, 2010 11:34 PM (6mwMs)

We oil guys have lots of guns, mean relatives and royalty interest owners and very large balls. We also know taxidermy.

No one's nationalizing anything. Ever.

Posted by: TexasJew at March 31, 2010 06:43 PM (pk/xZ)

31 Drilling for domestic oil and gas does not yield votes for Democrats. If it did, there would be oil wells every 10 feet, except for Guam, Iowa, and other islands.

Posted by: eman at March 31, 2010 06:43 PM (3fzoU)

32 Palin takes a blowtorch to it on NRO the corner. She also says she will go into it more deeply at her SLRC speech coming up.

Posted by: Dan at March 31, 2010 06:44 PM (1jzSs)

33

sorry, SRLC speech.

Posted by: Dan at March 31, 2010 06:44 PM (1jzSs)

34 26 And the clowns at NRO ate it up.

Posted by: eman at March 31, 2010 11:39 PM (3fzoU)

Yeah, I saw that article too. What a stupid cocksucker.

Posted by: TexasJew at March 31, 2010 06:45 PM (pk/xZ)

35

Pressure needs to be brought to bear on all republicans in the house & senate.  DO NOT agree to any more jobs-killing enviro regulations that will kill the economy.  This Obama announcement is a trojan horse!!!  Acting like he's doing America a big favor while he's really putting more oil off limits.

And McCain goes and thanks him.  There must be something added to the water in DC that makes people stupid.  In the rest of America we get fluoride.  In DC they get stupide.

Posted by: Boots at March 31, 2010 06:45 PM (06JTY)

36

ANWR is just sitting there on land and with the Alayeska pipeline right down the road. Obama (and McCain) don't want to drill ANWR.

Posted by: TexasJew at March 31, 2010 11:39 PM (pk/xZ)

They want "the wind on the plains to power a house by the sea."  Well, I grew up on those plains.  I think they are as beautiful as any sea coast.  It damn well pisses me off to see the kind of windmill towers they have put up along the Caprock.

Apparently, it's only ugly if the assholes along the coastline can see it.

Posted by: huerfano at March 31, 2010 06:46 PM (gLSaO)

37 That reach-around today by stupid fuck McCain may be his final undoing. He still doesn't understand how unpopular Cap n' Trade is.

Posted by: TexasJew at March 31, 2010 06:48 PM (pk/xZ)

38

They want "the wind on the plains to power a house by the sea."  Well, I grew up on those plains.  I think they are as beautiful as any sea coast.  It damn well pisses me off to see the kind of windmill towers they have put up along the Caprock.

Apparently, it's only ugly if the assholes along the coastline can see it.

Posted by: huerfano at March 31, 2010 11:46 PM (gLSaO)

Where are you from, btw?

Posted by: TexasJew at March 31, 2010 06:49 PM (pk/xZ)

39

Where is my water powered Fuel Cell?

I want energy independance, not dependance.

Posted by: Cromagnum at March 31, 2010 06:49 PM (UGrme)

40
My concern is this:
If we were to drill for oil, wouldn't all those drill holes cause the earth to deflate or fly around likes a balloon?

Posted by: Rep. Hank Johnson at March 31, 2010 06:51 PM (E5V01)

41 You punching up or down on that one?  I never can figure that out.

Posted by: Guy Who Learns Slowly at March 31, 2010 06:51 PM (h/5Rh)

42 40
My concern is this:
If we were to drill for oil, wouldn't all those drill holes cause the earth to deflate or fly around likes a balloon?

Posted by: Rep. Hank Johnson at March 31, 2010 11:51 PM (E5V01)

Not if we put a cap on it like a whoopie cushion.

Posted by: TexasJew at March 31, 2010 06:52 PM (pk/xZ)

43 The irony of a Lefty douche bag in Manhattan squealing about destroying a pristine wilderness.

Posted by: eman at March 31, 2010 06:52 PM (3fzoU)

44 I believe him.

Posted by: Bart Stupak at March 31, 2010 06:53 PM (FcR7P)

45

Stop the wedding now, or forever live with the consiquenses.

Posted by: lastchance at March 31, 2010 06:54 PM (lHNVD)

46 I appreciate the president's shift in position whatever its shortcomings. Now let's advance the ball and work on Cap & Trade. It's only fair for reasonable people to make bipartisan overtures and make them tangible solutions. If Obama says more study, less drilling, more control, and higher taxes are the answer, then who are we to stop such progress?

So, who's with me? And I don't want to hear from your bigoted racists. Obama and I don't want to clean up your messes.

Posted by: Lindsay Graham, Anti-Bigot at March 31, 2010 06:57 PM (swuwV)

47

Let me set up this 2:30 video.

Dog barks at tortoise. It charges him, another tortoise comes to the rescue, fight ensues. Good sountrack.

made me laugh

http://tinyurl.com/yescrsp

Posted by: Ben at March 31, 2010 07:00 PM (jvBhz)

48

Where are you from, btw?

Posted by: TexasJew at March 31, 2010 11:49 PM (pk/xZ)

 

Born and raised in Dumas, Texas.  In Farmington NM for thirty years.

Posted by: huerfano at March 31, 2010 07:01 PM (gLSaO)

49 More Taxes...Egg Salad Fart,, coming to a board gathering, near you.

Posted by: lastchance at March 31, 2010 07:04 PM (lHNVD)

50 Boots: "And McCain goes and thanks him."

Hayworth just got another arrow for his quiver. Furthermore, Hayworth's take would match Palin's message more than McCain's preemptory praise of Obama.

McCain is so anxious to cross the aisle that he's helping his opponent -- in this case, Hayworth. IOW, he's continuing his old campaign.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at March 31, 2010 07:07 PM (swuwV)

51 "My friends....."

Posted by: John McCain at March 31, 2010 07:08 PM (3fzoU)

52

Born and raised in Dumas, Texas.  In Farmington NM for thirty years.

Posted by: huerfano at April 01, 2010 12:01 AM (gLSaO)

 

OK - a Ding Dong Daddy!

 I've only worked up in Farmington for a short period years ago. Most of my work in New Mexico has been down in "Little Texas" - down in the southeast.

 

Posted by: TexasJew at March 31, 2010 07:11 PM (pk/xZ)

53 April 1, 2010. Just saw on Drudge the Obama’s off shore oil drilling will only be done by government union employees, and all profits will go to the government. He’s going to nationalize the energy industry.

Posted by: ray at March 31, 2010 07:13 PM (ykKLX)

54 Over 95% of our domestic oil is from here. The other ten percent is electric.

Posted by: Sheriff Joe Biden at March 31, 2010 07:15 PM (3fzoU)

55 <blockquote>Posted by: ray at April 01, 2010 12:13 AM</blockquote>
Ha, just kidding.

Posted by: ray at March 31, 2010 07:18 PM (ykKLX)

56 I say we open up drilling in Scranton, too. Can't hurt.

Posted by: Slow Joe at March 31, 2010 07:18 PM (swuwV)

57 But Obama has long stated his support in favor of the "tough decision" to expand offshore drilling

Tales from the AP.  I guess "long" means 20 or 30 minutes ...

People go to school to learn how to editorialize the news so falsely and sloppily as this?

Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 31, 2010 07:18 PM (N49h9)

58

 I've only worked up in Farmington for a short period years ago. Most of my work in New Mexico has been down in "Little Texas" - down in the southeast.

 

Take a look at an election map sometime.  This is the only rep county surrounded by a sea of goverment teat sucking dems.  We'd fit right in Little Texas.

Posted by: huerfano at March 31, 2010 07:28 PM (gLSaO)

59 O/T: RNC Steele talking with Immigration Activists behind closed doors. Via AllahP.

We're being violated!


Posted by: Barbarian at March 31, 2010 07:33 PM (EL+OC)

60 59 O/T: RNC Steele talking with Immigration Activists behind closed doors. Via AllahP.

We're being violated!

 

Welcome to my world.




Posted by: the chicken at March 31, 2010 07:38 PM (gLSaO)

61 I'm having a hard time staying positive today.

Posted by: Rat Patrol at March 31, 2010 07:39 PM (dQdrY)

62

motherfuckers, don't you understand if we drill for oil it makes msnbc more money

am i the only one, THE ONLY ONE!!!!!!

heh

Posted by: someoilguy at March 31, 2010 07:44 PM (gg4j2)

63 So, wait, the Russians are drilling by Cuba but the Governor of Virginia can't drill off the Virginia coast?

Posted by: curious at March 31, 2010 07:45 PM (p302b)

64 I say we open up drilling in Scranton, too. Can't hurt.
Posted by: Slow Joe

Fantastic idea, Mr. Vice President. I already have my own drill ready to go.

Posted by: Dwight Schrute at March 31, 2010 07:45 PM (w8ddH)

65 This is basic communist propaganda, perfected under Stalin and copied by Goebbels.  The Big Lie.


As big a jackass as McCain is, Hayworth is just a loudmouthed Birther idiot.  He blew his safe Republican House seat, and would give the Democrats their only real chance for a Senate pick-up this year, possibly costing us control.

Besides, if you aren't embarrassed by Hayworth's antics, you probably should not be leaving the house without a safety helmet, mmmkay?

Posted by: Adjoran at March 31, 2010 08:21 PM (3hg5M)

66 If the Reps can manage to grow a pair, they should repeal the Enviro Laws that enable people to sue ad infinitum and stop development.

After they repeal Obamacare and Stimulus, of course.

Posted by: PJ at March 31, 2010 08:23 PM (Z9DO/)

67 ...if you don't feel like listening to it:

Damn, you read my mind.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at March 31, 2010 08:28 PM (Q75cY)

68 Its like in baseball... you fake one way, go the other, then kick the ball into the pins

Posted by: Oarack Babama at March 31, 2010 08:38 PM (BgD0W)

69 Wasn't it a week or two ago, I read that Chu was going to place a 3 year moratorium on offshore drilling?  That his plan was one of "carbon" starvation until a new energy source was found, matured, and widely disseminated?

http://patterico.com/2010/03/13/fossil-fuels
-vs-future-fuels/

Posted by: A.G. at March 31, 2010 08:43 PM (BgD0W)

70 Not one democrat in a thousand will see, or at least admit, that this is just another con and a step in the destruction of the country. I keep hoping there is one black or Islamist out there that wants to be the most famous person in prison.

Posted by: Scrapiron at March 31, 2010 09:16 PM (1kwr2)

Posted by: curious at March 31, 2010 09:26 PM (p302b)

72 Wasn't it a week or two ago, I read that Chu was going to place a 3 year moratorium on offshore drilling? 

Posted by: A.G. at April 01, 2010 01:43 AM (BgD0W)

I think Chu had decided to paint all the sea kittens white.  And he was going to put a big white pool cover over the Atlantic.  Christo was helping with the project.  They had the cloth and everything, ready to go.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at March 31, 2010 09:38 PM (N49h9)

73 As big a jackass as McCain is, Hayworth is just a loudmouthed Birther idiot.  He blew his safe Republican House seat, and would give the Democrats their only real chance for a Senate pick-up this year, possibly costing us control.

Besides, if you aren't embarrassed by Hayworth's antics, you probably should not be leaving the house without a safety helmet, mmmkay?

Posted by: Adjoran at April 01, 2010 01:21 AM (3hg5M)


I'm no Hayworth fan, but none of what you've said is accurate.

First, the notion that Hayworth is a "birther idiot" stems from an MSNBC interview in which he observed, correctly, that Obama's birth certificate was being concealed. If this makes him a "birther idiot" then I guess I'm one too, because it's obvious to just about everyone by now that there's nothing American about this motherfucker who calls himself a president.

Second, Hayworth was not in a "safe Republican House seat". His suburban Phoenix seat was redrawn to include a lot more Democrat voters after the 2002 redistricting; he held on in two good GOP years but was blown out in the nightmare that was '06. The seat currently has a Cook PVI of R+5, so it's no great conservative stronghold by any means.

Third, even if he did give the Democrats a real chance at a pickup, I'd love to know exactly what candidate they'd plan on doing it with. As of today, not a single serious Democrat candidate has filed to run in that race, and there are no serious ones on the horizon. Napolitano's too busy prepping the camps. None of the congressmen are electable statewide after HCR. Terry Goddard, the only Dem in statewide office, is running for governor. McCain is invincible as the GOP nominee; Hayworth as nominee would merely be the heavy favorite.

As for Hayworth's antics, it's John McCain's "antics" that piss me off even more. The man's a slug, is destructive to the GOP, and does not deserve his office. Hayworth may be a jerk, but at least he wasn't a top candidate to be John Kerry's running mate.

Posted by: The War Between the Undead Someguys at March 31, 2010 09:51 PM (Uj+bw)

74 O/T:  "It Has Begun… Dem Rep Cancels Town Hall Over Fears of Being Alone With Constituents"

"Rep. Tim Ryan (D-Ohio) canceled a town hall on the new healthcare law Tuesday because of concerns about the security of the event.

The congressman’s office cited safety issues at the facility where the meeting was to take place and threats to his office, according to a report by News21."



Posted by: curious at March 31, 2010 09:58 PM (p302b)

Posted by: A Pretext at March 31, 2010 10:00 PM (Uj+bw)

Posted by: curious at March 31, 2010 10:03 PM (p302b)

77 O/T;  Just heard on the news that Newark NJ had no murders this month.  This is the first time since 1966 that this happened.

Wow, I say go Chris Christie...go!!!

Posted by: curious at March 31, 2010 10:04 PM (p302b)

78 Which VA politician is this a payoff to?

Posted by: Luca Brasi at March 31, 2010 10:06 PM (19dri)

79 My Dad worked for one of the INDEPENDENT Oil Co's back in the 70's, see what THAT got us when the BIG BOYS took them all down. I fail to see the logic of paying 10 to 20 cents above National avg. when we make the FUCKING product right here in our own state? Anyone else see some major logic BS cornporn? Is AAARRRONOLD's wife really the one with the cigar in her mouth. YOU BET YUR EFFIN ASS!!! She's a FUCKING KENNEDY after all...

Posted by: Richard at March 31, 2010 10:45 PM (6F5CS)

80 This announcement from Obama is worth exactly what his promise not to raise taxes on the middle class is worth.

The "Plugged Nickle" President.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at March 31, 2010 10:51 PM (554T5)

81 OH a little history for u Ca hold-outs, Al Gore was the POS who engineered the sale of the ELK HILL reserves (RESERVES FOR OUR MILITARY IN TIME OF WAR) to a private holding Co. Just a side note....HIS FUCKING DAD WAS ON THE BOARD OF DIRECTORS. Now THATS a CARBON FOOT-PRINT!! GOGGLE THAT MORONS

Posted by: Richard at March 31, 2010 11:00 PM (6F5CS)

82 Shit all and pass the Scotch, since I own the tail of this thread, let me add that the MOST HONORABLE SEN. McCAIN voted to BAN drilling in ANWAR....Bless his service to this country but he needs to go...now!

Posted by: Richard at March 31, 2010 11:30 PM (6F5CS)

83 All ur oils r belong to me

Posted by: Broke Umama at March 31, 2010 11:54 PM (xRDxw)

84 I just assume that the truth is one hundred eighty degrees from whatever comes out of Pres'Ent Toonces mouth.


He could tell me the sun rises in the east, and I'd just assume that the earth somehow managed to spin backwards when I wasn't looking.

This guy's a not funny joke, and should be impeached.

Posted by: Unclefacts, Summoner of Meteors, Bacons, and Really Really Expensive Scotch at April 01, 2010 01:12 AM (erIg9)

85 There will never be another like the Cuda. She is a national treasure and a ray of hope during these dark times.

Posted by: Tattoo De Plane at April 01, 2010 02:02 AM (mHQ7T)

86 This is exactly the same approach he used when he tried to hoodwink people into thinking there would be tourt reform in the healthcare bill by including a provision to "study" it. 

Tacking this little "exploration" (read "study") provision onto cap-n-tax (which is where it's going, make no mistake) is just as much of an insult to our intelligence.

Just how stupid does this guy think the American public is anyway?  OK, there's the 52% that he tricked into voting for him... once.  But at least SOME of them can see that he's taking them for idiots, can't they?

Oh, and Good Morning!

Posted by: Nighthawk at April 01, 2010 02:04 AM (OtQXp)

87 Good news... Carol,Shea Porter D NH got the sh#t kicked out of her at a televised town hall last night.. people left the meeting happy and content that Carol is going down in November.

Posted by: ford at April 01, 2010 02:06 AM (Ki7fm)

88 Hmmmm.

*LAUGH*

Bill O'Reilly swallowed it hook, line and sinker.

But does that surprise anybody?

Posted by: memomachine at April 01, 2010 02:45 AM (MwCol)

89 I hope the United States doesn't tip over, if we drill.

Posted by: Mjim at April 01, 2010 02:48 AM (V8B//)

90 Why pretend? Well when my wife dresses up as.....Oh not what you meant? Never mind.

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 01, 2010 03:09 AM (0GFWk)

91 Yes this issue was a hot topic on ALL of the SC newspapers this morning from the biggest to the small locals.

The big topic was a 50 cent a pack cigarette tax hike that just passed the Senate. They were all gushing about that being hugely in favor of it.

The next big topic was this oil drilling which they were all uniformly opposed to.  Of course not a single one of them told the real story about this drilling that will never occur.

This is what happens when all the newspapers are bought up by national chains.  You know back in the day this was considered illegal.  I guess when the Dems do it is all OK. 

I suspect that if a conservative organization bought up all the newspapers in a State and consistently fawned on Republicans it wouldn't take long before the DOJ would step in. 

Posted by: Vic at April 01, 2010 03:12 AM (QrA9E)

92 3 biggest lies: 1) tough Iranian sanctions 2) Drilling for oil under Obama 3) I promise I will not cum in your.......

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 01, 2010 03:15 AM (0GFWk)

93 APRIL FOOLS!!

Posted by: kingfisher at April 01, 2010 03:23 AM (Rb259)

94 Barry has as much intention of drilling for oil as I have of becoming the next Pope.

Posted by: kingfisher at April 01, 2010 03:25 AM (Rb259)

95 Barry has as much intention of drilling for oil as I have of becoming the next Pope. Posted by: kingfisher at April 01, 2010 08:25 AM (Rb259) hey the Pope gets some really fancy free clothes?

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 01, 2010 03:26 AM (0GFWk)

96 Like the heroin addicts fix, the spin from the Obowmanista movement is wearing off faster than the teleprompter is able to have him utter new nonsense.

Posted by: Some Che at April 01, 2010 03:27 AM (Unq1i)

97

Still waiting near ANWR.

 

Pope Kingfisher

Posted by: kingfisher at April 01, 2010 03:27 AM (Rb259)

98
any video of Carol Shame Porter?

Posted by: This is The Tickle Czar at April 01, 2010 03:31 AM (ouySy)

99
Carol Che Porter

Posted by: This is The Tickle Czar at April 01, 2010 03:31 AM (ouySy)

100
other than Mike Pence, has any other Republican in Congress publicly said this was bullshit?

Posted by: This is The Tickle Czar at April 01, 2010 03:32 AM (ouySy)

101
so how's everyone doing, this fine morning?

Posted by: This is The Tickle Czar at April 01, 2010 03:36 AM (ouySy)

102

"Refinement," DiT? Really? WTF part of Texas you in?

Refinement is something you get in finishing school. Now that the founding families have passed from the scene, it has precious little to do with oil.

You mean "Erfonnin." You gonna hang out in the patch, learn to speak roughneck.  

Posted by: comatus at April 01, 2010 03:37 AM (/VEEI)

103
Good!

Posted by: This is Everyone at April 01, 2010 03:38 AM (ouySy)

104

To find someone else to blame (hint: ChevronTexaco, et.al) for the increase in gasoline prices while the crushing economy and job market hammers Americans.

Just what I said after "a fool a boob and a troll walked into a bar ..." started shrieking about how the GOP blew it on the energy issue.

It's not much of an issue now because gas isn't really expensive yet. Obama sees $3.50/gal+ gas prices this summer so he giving himself a weapon to attack oil companies with. Plus, he's doing a bit of triangulation. And he desperately needs to change the topic from health care. If he didn't do this he'd have to start talking about jobs -- something he can't afford to do.

When gas gets over $3.50/gal, the people get mad and Toonces starts attacking the oil companies all the GOP has to do is point to Obama's change of heart and say "we've been telling Democrats we need more domestic drilling for 20 years but would they listen? If they would've listened we wouldn't have this problem now".

The GOP can still win on this issue.

Posted by: Ed Anger at April 01, 2010 03:41 AM (7+pP9)

105
I find your lack of faith in the Republicans disturbing cute.

Posted by: This is Darth Vader at April 01, 2010 03:48 AM (ouySy)

106 Ed Anger - or they can up the ante. Ask for one of those executive orders he was handing out to standdown the EPA in those drilling areas.

Posted by: Jean at April 01, 2010 03:49 AM (tJF9l)

107 One day the American people are going to figure out the Democrats energy independence scam is second only to the global warming scam.

One simple fact to clear this up: The US Government's own Energy Information Agency puts USA fossil fuel reserves at the top of the world's list ... More fossil fuels than any other country on the planet. The USA has about 30% of the world's known coal reserves. Enough fossil fuel for hundreds of years use.

Something you may not know, you can turn coal into liquid fuel for the barrel oil equivalent of $30. Something China is busy building up capacity of right now.It's old hat, the process was invented in the 1920s, and used by Germany in WWII for most of their transport fuel. Search on "Fischer-Tropsch" the name of the process to do the presto changing.

Additionally, the new clean coal technology that Bush was pushing is now coming on line, it nearly doubles the coal power plants effeciency, and is operating on-line outside of Tampa at a Florida Electric facility - "Polk Power Station". If you are paying attention, this technology should reduce the electricity costs by about 50%. Yes, it's Bush's fault.

Meanwhile we fart around with ethanol, windmills and solar, none of which are efficient enough to matter -- Just a huge waste of money.

Posted by: bill-tb at April 01, 2010 03:50 AM (y+QfZ)

108 Ever notice how oil is black? Those who question my motives are obviously racist.

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 01, 2010 03:55 AM (DYJjQ)

109 Meanwhile we fart around with ethanol, windmills and solar, none of which are efficient enough to matter -- Just a huge waste of money.

Actually ethanol could be made more efficient if we used sugar beets instead of corn. Brazil has been hugely successful at the beet thing.

So why don't we?  because they grow corn in the mid-west and the pols view this as just another farm subsidy that is good for votes.

Beets are grown only in LA right now just not enough Dem voters there. 

Posted by: Vic at April 01, 2010 03:57 AM (QrA9E)

110 Actually, ethanol/butanol has been shown by CARB to produce about 2-2.5 times the CO2 emissions as using regular gasoline. CARB mention they were starting a project to get sugar beets to procreate, pick themselves and drive themselves to the ethanol factory with no human intervention. All they need is enough land, several states should do, to grow themselves on.

I note that one thing that seems to be missing from all the alternate fuels discussion, how much does it cost.

Posted by: bill-tb at April 01, 2010 04:05 AM (y+QfZ)

111 Vic - the farm subsidy is bi-partisan pork. We gotta be able to look into the mirror on that one.

Posted by: Jean at April 01, 2010 04:06 AM (tTdaQ)

112 Watch this hand. No. Not the one behind my back. Watch this one.
Do I have your full attention?

Bam! Cap and Tax for your ass!

This is nothing but a stunt to take everyone's attention away from the health care issue, and how screwed up it really is, and at the same time throw Crap and Tax down our throats.

Posted by: 1idvet at April 01, 2010 04:08 AM (xUxh3)

113
This announcement from Obama is worth exactly what his promise not to raise taxes on the middle class is worth.


You mean - he LIES?


Posted by: Lemon Kitten at April 01, 2010 04:08 AM (0fzsA)

114 Actually, ethanol/butanol has been shown by CARB to produce about 2-2.5 times the CO2 emissions as using regular gasoline.

Actually who cares how much CO2 it makes. Contrary to the EPA CO2 is not a pollutant. Even before it became the darling of the farm subsidy crowd people were warning that there was no benefit to the environment from it.

The original idea for using ethanol was to reduce oil imports.

Posted by: Vic at April 01, 2010 04:10 AM (QrA9E)

115 We already have a viable alternative fuel - propane. Runs in older engines, cleaner, powerful, and it has a distribution network. It is as safe as gasoline. What we should have done was scale up the propane networks for urban areas with smog problems, let those areas bear the additional cost of conversion for local clean air, and kept one gas blend for everyone else.

Posted by: Jean at April 01, 2010 04:10 AM (OlnxK)

116 Vic - the farm subsidy is bi-partisan pork. We gotta be able to look into the mirror on that one.

I agree there are some Rs who got behind this but from what I understand they were mainly RINOs anyway.

Posted by: Vic at April 01, 2010 04:11 AM (QrA9E)

117 I believe that Barry's new initiative will alleviate our energy crises as much as I believe that this site's new advertiser -- Roid-Shop.com -- is a reputable online retailer. Come to think of it, both have an equal likelihood of being Soros-ian front businesses...

Posted by: Chainsaw Chimp at April 01, 2010 04:11 AM (k4bdL)

118 Actually ethanol could be made more efficient if we used sugar beets instead of corn. Brazil has been hugely successful at the beet thing.

I thought they used sugar cane?

Brazil is also drilling offshore.  With our tax dollars, I might add.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at April 01, 2010 04:13 AM (mR7mk)

119 Vic - maybe for corn - but the farm subsidies go further then that. Peanuts, sugar, price supports for dairy, etc.

Posted by: Jean at April 01, 2010 04:13 AM (7K04W)

120 Never let an opportunity go to waste! Open, transparent bidding for the leases, you say? Oh, of course, of course...

Posted by: Chicago Way Energy Exploration, LLC at April 01, 2010 04:14 AM (k4bdL)

121 This is nothing but a stunt to take everyone's attention away from the health care issue, and how screwed up it really is, and at the same time throw Crap and Tax down our throats.

Don't forget amnesty round III. According to HH (I know) our old buddy Steele has been meeting with the pro-amnesty crowd and promising deals.

According to HH, RINO Grahamnasty says he will get behind the Amnesty III mess if they can find just one more Republican/RINO to join him. Hahahahaha, McCain is in a close race so forget him. 

Posted by: Vic at April 01, 2010 04:15 AM (QrA9E)

122 I thought they used sugar cane?

I thought they were using beets. Guess I'll have check.

Posted by: Vic at April 01, 2010 04:16 AM (QrA9E)

123 When your in Brazil, many of the local cars can run on three fuels. A gas (propane, IIRC), a methanol, and gasoline. They have a dashboard switch and buy fuel based on price and their driving plans.

Posted by: Jean at April 01, 2010 04:17 AM (7K04W)

124 One other thing that I can't figure out.  Why do oil companies  persist in making three different grades of gasoline?  If they only made one couldn't they make more of it and hence it would cost less by virtue of supply and demand?  Maybe I just answered my own question there, but is there really that much demand for high octane gas? 

When I was young, and stupid (as opposed to now when I'm old and stupid) and fooled around with race cars we got octane boost to add to the gas.  If oil companies sold just regular gas at a lower price and octane boost for those who REALLY needed it I think they'd actually come out ahead by selling more product.


Posted by: Nighthawk at April 01, 2010 04:24 AM (OtQXp)

125

Actually ethanol could be made more efficient if we used sugar beets instead of corn. Brazil has been hugely successful at the beet thing.

Nope. Brazil uses sugar cane, which is five to six times more efficient than grain. Beets are about as efficient as corn -- their advantage is they don't divert food into alcohol production. I saw a map showing most european countries using sugar beets to produce alcohol, probably because they've grown sugar beets as fodder for hundreds of years.

Also, I believe there's something in the federal law that subsidizes corn alcohol that prevents importing sugar for alcohol production.

Posted by: Ed Anger at April 01, 2010 04:24 AM (7+pP9)

126 One other thing that I can't figure out.  Why do oil companies  persist in making three different grades of gasoline?  If they only made one couldn't they make more of it and hence it would cost less by virtue of supply and demand?  Maybe I just answered my own question there, but is there really that much demand for high octane gas? 

When I was young, and stupid (as opposed to now when I'm old and stupid) and fooled around with race cars we got octane boost to add to the gas.  If oil companies sold just regular gas at a lower price and octane boost for those who REALLY needed it I think they'd actually come out ahead by selling more product.


Hell.... its more than three..... its closer to SIXTY-THREE.  There are numerous "flavors" of gasoline out there to be refined to satisfy differing states, regional and even municipal regulations on the emitting contents of gasoline.

I'd ecstatic if we.... as a nation.... could agree to 3 flavors of gas.


Posted by: fixerupper at April 01, 2010 04:35 AM (J5Hcw)

127 Also, I believe there's something in the federal law that subsidizes corn alcohol that prevents importing sugar for alcohol production.

Yep, sugar imports are limited from action by the ex-LA Senator who had import limits on it. This is not just for ethanol though. This is for all sugar which is why all the candy factories we used to have around here are shutting down and moving to Mexico.

Posted by: Vic at April 01, 2010 04:36 AM (QrA9E)

128
All the polls on the communist news front ask, "Do you support President Obama's plans to drill for oil". 70% say yes. Unfortunately the polls don't ask, "Did you know that the plan is actually bullshit?"

Posted by: kansas at April 01, 2010 04:37 AM (4kcAq)

129 Hell.... its more than three..... its closer to SIXTY-THREE.  There are numerous "flavors" of gasoline out there to be refined to satisfy differing states, regional and even municipal regulations on the emitting contents of gasoline.

I'd ecstatic if we.... as a nation.... could agree to 3 flavors of gas.


Posted by: fixerupper at April 01, 2010 09:35 AM (J5Hcw)

That many?  WOW! Well, in retrospect I guess there are a couple of reasons why you would need more than just one grade (AvGas comes to mind) but maybe it would be a good project for somebody in the Federal government to set about simplifying and reducing the number of specs with the goal of reducing the number of different types of gasoline that refiners have to produce.

Posted by: Nighthawk at April 01, 2010 04:40 AM (OtQXp)

130

Hell.... its more than three..... its closer to SIXTY-THREE.  There are numerous "flavors" of gasoline out there to be refined to satisfy differing states, regional and even municipal regulations on the emitting contents of gasoline.

So wait, your telling me that one of the major reason that the price of gas is so high is because their are so many nonsensical government regulations that require Oil companies to produce gas to specifications laid out by some government bureaucrat?

Damn.. so government inteferance and regulation is actually driving the prices up?  The hell you say...

 


Posted by: StuckOnStupid at April 01, 2010 04:43 AM (e8T35)

131 OK, I have checked, it is sugar cane. I used to have a great uncle who grew sugar cane down in GA. He had a cane press and would use it to make cane syrup that he would sell in town as a cash crop.

We were fascinated by that cane press because it was "mule-driven".  We would feed the mule citrons and may-pops.  Would make my uncle mad because it gave the mule gas.

Posted by: Vic at April 01, 2010 04:44 AM (QrA9E)

132

U.S. Sugar Production

The United States produces both sugarcane and sugarbeets. More than one-half (approximately 54%) of the sugar produced in the United States comes from sugarbeets. Annually, more than 25 million tons of sugarbeets are produced on over 1.4 million acres, yielding approximately 20 tons of beets per acre and 4 million tons of refined sugar. There are 31 beet sugar processing factories in the U.S., all located in or near producing areas due to the deterioration of sugar content after the beets are harvested.

In the United States, sugarcane is produced in Florida, Louisiana, Hawaii, and Texas with Florida being the largest cane-producing region in the U.S.

Source: Credit & Finance Risk Analysis


Posted by: Ed Anger at April 01, 2010 04:45 AM (7+pP9)

133 I guess he should have waited a day - you know - April 1st.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at April 01, 2010 04:47 AM (r1h5M)

134 Dave,

I think you're right about this being cover for summer gas prices (aka supply and demand). Obama will issue the regularly-scheduled call for investigations, too. (I wish they would investigate supply and demand!). But there is something else, too:

Phony Drilling is about salvaging two giant new energy taxes: Cap and Trade through the front door and CO2 Regulations (released today) through the back door.

Posted by: Noel at April 01, 2010 05:04 AM (Hh13R)

135 ps; drilling is popular and they are not. So they hope to glom on to something popular, even though they have no intention of drilling, ever.

Posted by: Noel at April 01, 2010 05:11 AM (Hh13R)

136 Even if they do drill and get oil, Obama will personally set the retail price at $8.00 to $15.00 per gallon.  Something for everyone in his voting bloc-- from enviros to drivers of Hummers.

Posted by: Minnie Rodent at April 01, 2010 05:15 AM (PZLW0)

137

Why have grades of gasoline? Christ, I am among heathens. (1) When we gave up tetraethyl lead, we lost 10 -15% of the contents of each barrel of oil, which, with lead, would have been suitable as motor fuel, and without it could not.

(2)To get more out of a fuel, you raise the compression ratio. Until recently, the only way to keep the fuel/air mix from preigniting from the heat of compression was to retard its inflammability, which is what octane is a measurement of. So, the engines that are set up to burn fuel most efficiently need a higher grade.

(3) Alcohol can also be used as a retardant, as Kettering discovered in the early 20's, just before the Ethyl Company scandal. None of this is new. To get respectable energy returns from alcohol fuel, you need even higher compression ratios -- higher than gasoline will tolerate. If there is a future for alcohol biofuels, it's in an engine that's basically an Offenhauser.  A ten per cent mix just offsets the loss of lead. E85 is wasted in most engines.

(4) It is possible to use a set of sensors and a variable supercharger to run the same engine on several fuels at peak efficiency. You don't want to guess wrong on this. It's very hard on the motor.

 

Posted by: comatus at April 01, 2010 05:21 AM (/VEEI)

138 As I think about it, it's not just cover for supply & demand summer price hikes. They are going to FORCE gas prices up, and need this as cover.

Posted by: Noel at April 01, 2010 05:34 AM (Hh13R)

139

136  - In the United States, sugarcane is produced in Florida, Louisiana, Hawaii and Texas, with Florida being the largest sugarcane-producing region in the U.S.

Not if our beloved governor and Obama butt-kisser, the ineffable RINO, Charlie Crist, gets his way.  He wants to close down all Florida's sugarcane fields and make them part of Everglades National Park.  (Another rich dilletante politician heard from.)

Posted by: Minnie Rodent at April 01, 2010 05:40 AM (PZLW0)

140

CNN Breaking News: "Giant Clam Attacks Jimmy Carter in the Arctic"

Now Back to our regular scheduled CNN  propaganda program.......

Posted by: Wolf Blitzer at April 01, 2010 05:50 AM (k7Ddt)

141 After much soul searching I have decided to supply arms to Israel for self defense. I am immediately appointing the Honorable Hank Johnson to chair a commission to study that and offer me a plan by 2025.

Posted by: Barack Obama at April 01, 2010 05:50 AM (4kcAq)

142 I like making racist comments!

Posted by: A Loyal Matt Yglesias Reader at April 01, 2010 05:55 AM (KK69A)

143 @146 
Apparently this is the day they let the criminally insane have access to computers. 

Posted by: Y-not at April 01, 2010 06:11 AM (Kn9r7)

144 Most of my work in New Mexico has been down in "Little Texas" - down in the southeast.

Is that what they call it?  I live there and I just called it Hell.  Leastways around the last big town before you either forked off towards El Paso or towards Loving/Malaga.

Obama wants gas to be $7.00 or more per gallon.  This is all kabuki-fu.

I guess we'll just have to carpool on our way to D.C. with the pitchforks and torches.

Posted by: Stupe Bartak at April 01, 2010 06:14 AM (PMGbu)

145 Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength. Production is restriction.

Posted by: FatBaldnSassy at April 01, 2010 06:22 AM (Lq9ag)

146 hey if those southern states want it I say let them drill

Posted by: Andy Rand at April 01, 2010 06:37 AM (mhD2v)

147 Oh and remember the price of gasoline is not dependent on its original source.I can't see the potential of a 1% increase in the world oil production influencing price that I pay for gas very much, can you ? Gas prices in NJ are averaging $2.61 today

Posted by: Andy Rand at April 01, 2010 06:42 AM (mhD2v)

148

Why are we dependant on MUSLIM OIL?

Woolie at March 31, 2010 11:38 PM (lHNVD)

Every damned environmental organization that has been suing to shut down production and refinement for the last 30 years, that's who.

Posted by: harleycowboy at April 01, 2010 06:51 AM (JKGfQ)

149 My concern is that if we drill any more holes into the sea floor, the oceans will drain into the center of the earth.  Then how would Guam stay afloat?

Posted by: Hank "Sooper Jean-yus" Johnson at April 01, 2010 06:58 AM (wpuKF)

150 This guy is the best president ever!  I'm so happy that I voted for this outstanding gentleman...

Posted by: John McCain at April 01, 2010 06:58 AM (+hPIb)

151

The real danger with drilling in Alaska is that we could go too deep and puncture the earth's crust, which would cause a catastrophic deflation of the planet where it would go flying around the solar system like a balloon making a phubbbbtttt sound.

Rep. Hank Johnson (D-blithering idiot) told me so.

Posted by: gebrauchshund at April 01, 2010 07:16 AM (d7k0J)

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Posted by: Randy And at April 01, 2010 07:23 AM (f7A+e)

153

There's even some white supremacist literature posted above the hole, so it's like I'm at home!

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156 I've got a dumb question. Assuming the continued value of the oil underneath the territorial lands and waters of Texas and Alaska, how long before either one gives Washington the finger and either drills or declares independence then drills?

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