December 30, 2016

Why Do Progressive Movies Like "Miss Sloane" Keep Cratering?
— Ace

First, let's get the factual predicate out of the way: the anti-gun, NRA-Are-Big-Meanies film Miss Sloane is an enormous failure.

[T]wo weeks after its national release, it has made only $3.2 million. During its second weekend, it averaged just $102 per movie theater per day. With a ticket price of $10.30 per adult, that comes to an average of only 9.9 people a day seeing the movie in any given theater. At least people had no problem finding a good seat.

And it wasn't for lack of trying to get people to show up. Out of the 200 highest-grossing movies of 2016, only ten exceeded the $15.9 million television advertising budget of Miss Sloane, and seven of those did so by very small amounts. Miss Sloane spent more than the Star Wars spinoff Rogue One, Star Trek, Pete’s Dragon, Arrival, Doctor Strange, and Hacksaw Ridge. It had twice the advertising budget of such hits as Sully, The Girl on the Train, and The Secret Life of Pets. For every dollar spent on advertising, Miss Sloane brought in just 21 cents in ticket sales.

By this measure, it came in dead last out of the 200 top-grossing movies in 2016. No one else was even close. Coming in second-to-last was Collateral Beauty, which made 53 cents per advertising dollar. The average movie made almost $2 for each dollar spent on advertising.

Let me propose a theory, which I think is original, as to why progressive movies keep bombing.

The key to any exploitation movie the novel depiction some trend or fad. It has to be novel. Surfing movies were gonzo box office in 1967 but not so much now.

These exploitation films -- progsploitation movies -- seek to exploit a faddish interest in progressive political "discourse."

And it's not that there's no audience for this. There is. Even if you say "Progressive movies alienate half the country" -- so what? You don't need but 1% of the country to see your movie and you've got a hit.

Action movies alienate more than half the country-- the half that just doesn't like action movies or violence in films. Yet they frequently make a lot of money.

That's not the problem, I don't think.

It's not that there is no interest in progsploitation.

It's that the market is already saturated with progsploitation material -- on television.

In the 1950s, Hollywood faced an existential threat. And I don't mean from Joe McCarthy or Richard Nixon or even Robert F. Kennedy.

I mean they faced the existential threat of a new entrant into the market, and one with huge advantages over movies -- TV shows were free (or free-ish, once you got past the big initial investment and once you accepted that the "charge" for TV was permitting your mind to be rented for advertising).

And TV was remarkably convenient -- you didn't even have to leave your couch.

Hollywood responded to this threat by offering up technical spectacles that TV just couldn't. They offered color. They offered even Technicolor, whatever that is. They offered widescreen and Cinemascope.

They began focusing on fare that TV wasn't offering -- fewer movies were set in homes and offices, more were set in great open deserts, whether those of the old American west or the Biblical near east.

Knowing they could not compete on any grounds that TV could compete on, Hollywood did its level best to offer stuff TV couldn't.

Compare that to today.

Are movies like Miss Sloane offering the public things they can't see on easy, comfy-couch TV?

Well, Law & Order notoriously offered progsploitation political themes for 14 or 15 years straight. It was never about the murder -- no, it was about the gun manufacturer who made the gun that wound up in the murderer's hands.

Shows like The Good Wife and Madame Secretary and all the rest of the programming-for-progressive-women offer up progressive political themes every single week.

I'm sure Miss Sloane offers up some rapid-fire (and very dubious) #GunFacts as some progsploitation to make its would-be audience moist in the pants.

But golly gee willickers-- John Oliver offers up rapid-fire progsploitation factutainment every Sunday night.

Besides, John Oliver is "real" and offering "#Science," not some cooked-up pretend drama. And anyone who really #LovesScience will prefer, obviously, the English twit's rapid-fire "facts" over some pretend Hollywood drama.

Ah, but Miss Sloane can give the audience profanity and Some Adult Material and Themes that TV can't, right?

Well. Except for every premium cable TV show, which gives you all the f-bombs and robot-rape you could imagine.

It's not that there aren't progressives who don't want progsploitation factutainment -- it's that this market is so damn well served by tv (is there anything else even on TV?) that no one's going to buy a ticket to see the cow when TV will show them all the milk they could ever want to see.

This type of movie is doomed. It can't give you anything you haven't seen already. Law & Order was, it claimed, "ripped from the headlines." Movies like Miss Sloane are ripped from Law & Order, season 8.

I'm sure Hollywood will keep pumping these movies out, though, because progsploitation is only tangentially about appeasing the public's demand for progressive propaganda.

It's much more about appeasing Hollywood's desire to make progsploitation films, whether they make a dime or not.

Posted by: Ace at 08:42 AM | Comments (464)
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1 Well, either that or no boobies ...

Posted by: Adriane the TV & Movie Critic ... at December 30, 2016 08:45 AM (AoK0a)

2 It's America's revenge for inflicting Lena Dunham on us.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at December 30, 2016 08:47 AM (J8/9G)

3 Not another ticket, not another dollar, not another view.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at December 30, 2016 08:50 AM (J8/9G)

4 Zero Dark Thirty was real!

Posted by: Pepe at December 30, 2016 08:50 AM (HJEuH)

5 If you Leftist who is going to virtue signal, why not do it with the glitz, glimmer, and child rape of Hollywood?

Posted by: The Unsignaling Hat at December 30, 2016 08:51 AM (OzJeO)

6 It's really simple, people go to movies to be entertained.  They don't pay on average of $10/ticket to be lectured by liberal assholes.  Yes Hollywood completed with TV in the 50s by offering widescreen spectacles like Ben Hurr.


We get shit now.  But then again, all TV is shit too. So there really is no competition.

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at December 30, 2016 08:51 AM (mpXpK)

7 which gives you all the f-bombs and robot-rape you could imagine.

I dunno, I can imagine a lot ...

Posted by: Han Solo, the smuggling pervert at December 30, 2016 08:51 AM (wpC7C)

8 I sometimes think Disney is the only one putting out anything worth looking at.  But then again, they haven't had much luck lately either.

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at December 30, 2016 08:53 AM (mpXpK)

9 It's their form of government contracting. It doesn't have to make a profit. It just keeps the subject material in front of the public. They'll make up the money elsewhere.

Posted by: Diogenes at December 30, 2016 08:53 AM (Zfvaz)

10 Surfin' bom-dip dip-dip.

Posted by: wth at December 30, 2016 08:53 AM (HgMAr)

11 Sometimes I feel like Ace gives liberals so much free advice

Posted by: Draki at December 30, 2016 08:53 AM (k1dmS)

12 "If you want to send a message, call Western Union." - Sam Goldwyn

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at December 30, 2016 08:54 AM (J8/9G)

13 At least people had no problem finding a good seat.
Mwa! Mwa! Mwa!
Eeep! Eeep!

Posted by: dr sheldon cooper testing the theatre's acoustics at December 30, 2016 08:54 AM (lJXY3)

14 Well, Law & Order notoriously offered progsploitation political themes for 14 or 15 years straight. It was never about the murder -- no, it was about the gun manufacturer who made the gun that wound up in the murderer's hands.

++++

If you go back to the very beginning of the series, it was about the murder, at least on the surface. They still would throw in their progressive lessons, but it was more as an aside rather than being the BIG point.

That is where progressive propaganda works the best. When they start by making something that is interesting, but then insert their propaganda in a semi-stealth like manner. When the whole point of the "entertainment" is the lecture, everyone loses interest.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 30, 2016 08:54 AM (R+30W)

15 But Hawt Chicks with Guns do sell more movie tickets than this dreck. Pro-Tip. Moar Hawt Chicks with Guns, stat! Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at December 30, 2016 08:54 AM (v5iqM)

16 Now that's what I call a movie review!

Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2016 08:54 AM (/tuJf)

17 all TV is shit too.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at December 30, 2016 01:51 PM (mpXpK)

I have no idea what you are talking about.

There is an amazing amount of very high quality entertainment available on TV.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2016 08:55 AM (rF0hx)

18 Another reason cinema is dead: Better production, writing, and direction from TV shows putting out 10 to 13 shows a year. People are fansinated with motivations and character development, when it is done well.

Posted by: Pepe at December 30, 2016 08:55 AM (HJEuH)

19 Also, with the cost of seeing a movie in a theater, you have to really want to see it to spring for the cost. In Michigan, may be higher in places like New York and California, a matinee ticket is about $10, the smallest popcorn pop combo is $7 or $8. That's the child's combo, the others are considerably more. I don't even know what the cost is for evening shows or the adult combos because I never do those, but for an adult couple one movie and refreshments is $40 +. I love the big theater movie experience, and I appreciate the fact that the higher prices are because the multiplex gives you a lot more choices of movies to see. But even liberals don't want to spend that to be preached at by some chick movie.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 30, 2016 08:55 AM (+lVUW)

20 It's a loss leader that allows them to pat themselves on the back.

Posted by: Max Power at December 30, 2016 08:55 AM (q177U)

21 Regarding content, let's see Last Man Standing is on at 7pm, MacGiver reruns are on at 9PM followed by two episodes of Hogans Heroes then Carol Burnett show at bedtime.

Posted by: CCO at December 30, 2016 08:55 AM (WaZ4D)

22 What is the world box office market for movies like Miss Sloane?  I think that's something that is missed in the accounting process

Posted by: Lurker primus at December 30, 2016 08:56 AM (DhPrq)

23 There are some great TV shows out there like "Rick and Morty."

Posted by: Max Power at December 30, 2016 08:56 AM (q177U)

24 Why spend big bucks for a movie that spends two hours telling me I'm deplorable for owning a gun? I've already heard that for free.

Posted by: madamemayhem (i wanna be sedated) at December 30, 2016 08:57 AM (yTnCT)

25 It was never about the murder -- no, it was about the gun manufacturer who made the gun that wound up in the murderer's hands. Aren't all TV murderers white, male cishet CEOs?

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at December 30, 2016 08:57 AM (J8/9G)

26 Socialist propaganda works best when attendance is mandatory and there is no were else to go.

Posted by: Floyde Farthengton at December 30, 2016 08:57 AM (Cimkz)

27 That is where progressive propaganda works the best. When they start by making something that is interesting, but then insert their propaganda in a semi-stealth like manner. When the whole point of the "entertainment" is the lecture, everyone loses interest. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 30, 2016 01:54 PM (R+30W) Don't know. Wasn't Gore's documentary on bad climate science a big seller? The lecture was the enterainment, but it was probably novel in scale, novel that a former VP was hosting it, and how well the bad science was portrayed.

Posted by: Draki at December 30, 2016 08:57 AM (k1dmS)

28 What Hollywood needs to do is remake Ghostbusters with an all-female cast.

Oh, wait.....

How about remaking every film Clint Eastwood ever made, with a Grrrrll star? 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 30, 2016 08:57 AM (PY9jH)

29 Idk maybe it was just a cynical commercial bet on the sure thing that wasn't - much like the apparel makers lol

Posted by: HuuuuuuugeJoe@ewokfinder at December 30, 2016 08:58 AM (riqBd)

30 > Miss Sloane spent more than the Star Wars spinoff Rogue One, Star Trek, Pete's Dragon, Arrival, Doctor Strange, and Hacksaw Ridge. It had twice the advertising budget of such hits as Sully, The Girl on the Train, and The Secret Life of Pets. Where were they advertising? I never saw a single ad for this movie and would never have heard of it if not for a couple of articles mocking it.

Posted by: Cave Johnson at December 30, 2016 08:58 AM (6diJh)

31 Example: Star Trek TV show: Great slow sci-fi moral drama Movies: Great action movies with ladies and lazors on the big screen (novel)

Posted by: Draki at December 30, 2016 08:58 AM (k1dmS)

32 Miss Sloane should have been portrayed by Jessica Alba in a bikini, and been shooting the bad guys, and it could have broken even.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 30, 2016 08:58 AM (7ZVPa)

33 11 Sometimes I feel like Ace gives liberals so much free advice Posted by: Draki at December 30, 2016 01:53 PM (k1dmS) === Luckily they don't listen.

Posted by: Independent George at December 30, 2016 08:59 AM (BDZWU)

34 The audience was hacked!

Posted by: MSM at December 30, 2016 08:59 AM (1isJI)

35 Me and Misses Misses Sloan Misses Sloan, Misses Sloan, Misses Sloan

Posted by: JackStraw at December 30, 2016 08:59 AM (/tuJf)

36 Where were they advertising? I never saw a single ad for this movie and would never have heard of it if not for a couple of articles mocking it. Posted by: Cave Johnson at December 30, 2016 01:58 PM (6diJh) I thought the same thing. Probably MSNBC and all the other liberal garbage we never look at.

Posted by: Draki at December 30, 2016 09:00 AM (k1dmS)

37 Great analysis, Ace.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 30, 2016 09:00 AM (MwiFE)

38 Hmm. Wonder when it becomes classroom viewing?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at December 30, 2016 09:00 AM (C9pBZ)

39 I know when my husband and I go to a movie, we go to be put-down and lectured. 

After 13 Hours, the last movie we saw in a theater was Range 15. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 30, 2016 09:00 AM (PY9jH)

40 Well. Except for every premium cable TV show, which gives you all the f-bombs and robot-rape you could imagine.
I wouldn't categorize Lena's "Rabbit" (c) shorting out as "robot-rape".

Posted by: lena dunham's FUPA at December 30, 2016 09:01 AM (lJXY3)

41 How about remaking every film Clint Eastwood ever made, with a Grrrrll star? Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 30, 2016 01:57 PM (PY9jH) The Good, The Bad, and The Menstrating...

Posted by: P***y with no name at December 30, 2016 09:01 AM (OzJeO)

42 I thought it was a tv show. Still don't know dick about what it is supposed to be about.

Posted by: Zombie Seth Rich at December 30, 2016 09:01 AM (2x9LM)

43 30 > Miss Sloane spent more than the Star Wars spinoff Rogue One, Star Trek, Pete's Dragon, Arrival, Doctor Strange, and Hacksaw Ridge. It had twice the advertising budget of such hits as Sully, The Girl on the Train, and The Secret Life of Pets.


Where were they advertising? I never saw a single ad for this movie and would never have heard of it if not for a couple of articles mocking it.

Posted by: Cave Johnson at December 30, 2016 01:58 PM (6diJh)


Right?  I never heard of it until just now.  Of course, can't go by me...I avoid most if not all references to Hollywood.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/s][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:01 AM (Enq6K)

44 Luckily they don't listen. Posted by: Independent George at December 30, 2016 01:59 PM (BDZWU) Agreed. They must be allergic to winning and pudding.

Posted by: Draki at December 30, 2016 09:01 AM (k1dmS)

45 Don't know. Wasn't Gore's documentary on bad climate science a big seller? The lecture was the enterainment, but it was probably novel in scale, novel that a former VP was hosting it, and how well the bad science was portrayed.

Posted by: Draki at December 30, 2016 01:57 PM (k1dmS)

++++

I'm too lazy to go research, but I don't think Gore's movie was a blockbuster in the theaters. But, he got the movie into schools. Nothing like a little government compulsion to get more viewers.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 30, 2016 09:02 AM (R+30W)

46 'Ware USS Willow, off port bow. Willow arriving. Bosun, pipe aboard.

This just in, via Fox. USS GHW Bush readies for sea, but as of today the world's oceans are suddenly, uncharacteristically free of US carriers.

The Fleet is In. What an odd coincidence.
Kuznetzov still making smoke off Latakia?

Posted by: Stringer Davis[/i][/b] at December 30, 2016 09:02 AM (H5rtT)

47 Plus, this movie already reinforces what they know: evil gun makers are evil. Evil. (They like calling things evil.) I wonder if Hollywood thought that people would actually be persuaded who were not already on board? Remember they regard people in the middle as cud chewing , oblivious morons.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 30, 2016 09:02 AM (MwiFE)

48 21 Regarding content, let's see Last Man Standing is on at 7pm, MacGiver reruns are on at 9PM followed by two episodes of Hogans Heroes then Carol Burnett show at bedtime. Posted by: CCO at December 30, 2016 01:55 PM (WaZ4D) === Several years back I started watching MacGyver on DVD. The first two seasons were pretty good but then I noticed around the 3rd season it became a prog preach fest. Stopped watching after that. Magnum P.I. is the superior 80's action drama.

Posted by: Independent George at December 30, 2016 09:02 AM (BDZWU)

49 It's much more about appeasing Hollywood's desire to make progsploitation films, whether they make a dime or not. May they be rewarded with well-deserved bankruptcy for their sage-like business acumen.

Posted by: DocJ at December 30, 2016 09:02 AM (NYS7S)

50 Aren't all TV murderers white, male cishet CEOs? Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at December 30, 2016 01:57 PM (J8/9G) ***************************** I was watching an episode of Castle last night and one of the suspects was a Religious Right protester. I figured him for the crime, but in the end it was someone else and the RR guy ended up being one of the most sympathetic characters in the episode.

Posted by: Texas99 at December 30, 2016 09:03 AM (sBm2i)

51 Where were they advertising? I never saw a single ad for this movie and would never have heard of it if not for a couple of articles mocking it. I was deluged with ads for it. There was a scoldy girl scolding me about guns and what looked like an NRA threat to shoot scoldy girl because their members had guns.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at December 30, 2016 09:03 AM (mgbwf)

52 Frankly, going to even a good movie is a challenge for me. Besides the price, and the price of refreshments, one also has to contend with people coming in 30 minutes late and looking for a seat, people talking on the phone, children wandering around, etc. The average movie reaches DVD or streaming within a few months, I can wait that long to actually enjoy it in my own home. Especially when only a tiny percentage of movies even look interesting.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 30, 2016 09:03 AM (7ZVPa)

53 Well said, Ace!

This also describes pretty much every kid's entertainment. Almost every movie, and certainly every tv show, has some sort of AGW/save the planet theme shoe-horned into it. A surprising number have it as the main theme - like "Cloudy with a Chance of Meatballs (what? not in the book!) - but even when not the main theme it is crammed in there somewhere just to make sure the kiddos never, ever, EVER get a break from the eco-alarmism.

And *this* is why we go see stupid, fun movies like Transformers and Fast and Furious. None of the AGW crap - or progressive stuff, either.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at December 30, 2016 09:03 AM (NOIQH)

54 I thought the same thing. Probably MSNBC and all the other liberal garbage we never look at. Posted by: Draki at December 30, 2016 02:00 PM (k1dmS)
I do suspect THIS. The proliferation of television channels, to say nothing of the Internet, means I tune out a lot of Leftist mass media, although it still constantly bombards me in snippets as I am browsing.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 30, 2016 09:03 AM (ujg0T)

55 I asked the NY Post reviewer Kyle Smith why they keep making this garbage. He called it "cinematic virtue signaling". He hadn't seen it but said he'd be surprised if it grossed 10 cents.

Posted by: spongeworthy at December 30, 2016 09:03 AM (mrfTe)

56 boobies won't even sell movies anymore. Ever since Algore invented the internet and free porn was born

Posted by: Rick in SK at December 30, 2016 09:04 AM (/CIN4)

57 I'm too lazy to go research, but I don't think Gore's movie was a blockbuster in the theaters. But, he got the movie into schools. Nothing like a little government compulsion to get more viewers. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 30, 2016 02:02 PM (R+30W) Might be right there. Don't know if they force kids to watch the waiting for superman documentary in highschool.

Posted by: Draki at December 30, 2016 09:04 AM (k1dmS)

58 Last movie I saw in the theater was Dr Strange. It had been a while since I had been to the theater and I wanted to see something. I did like the reclining comfy chairs. I was less impressed by the price of concessions.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 30, 2016 09:04 AM (MwiFE)

59 I was so disappointed. I thought "Miss Sloan" was about Royal Silent-Flush urinal valves. "Sloan Valve, Chicago," most-read inscription in history. With advance publicity like that, how could you fail?

By tradition, the owner turned Henry Ford on to The Protocols of The Elders. 

Posted by: Stringer Davis[/i][/b] at December 30, 2016 09:04 AM (H5rtT)

60 14 If you go back to the very beginning of the series, it was about the murder, at least on the surface. They still would throw in their progressive lessons, but it was more as an aside rather than being the BIG point. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 30, 2016 01:54 PM (R+30W) --------------------------------- Actually, for the first couple of seasons there were as many conservative lessons as progressive ones. The programs specialized in a sort of dramatic debate between conservative and liberal views on the crime --- and the conservative side, often as not, won. Of course, with every change in production/writing, it got more and more leftist until it ended up as mindless drivel.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 30, 2016 09:04 AM (Nox3c)

61 I was deluged with ads for it. There was a scoldy girl scolding me about guns and what looked like an NRA threat to shoot scoldy girl because their members had guns.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at December 30, 2016 02:03 PM (mgbwf)



Same here.  Could not turn on the TV without seeing the stupid trailer.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 30, 2016 09:04 AM (PY9jH)

62 Alright, off to get champagne for tomorrow. Y'all have fun!

Posted by: Draki at December 30, 2016 09:04 AM (k1dmS)

63 Make it even better: Miss Sloane was produced by EuropaCorp, which is a European production company. Europeans coming to tell Americans how to handle our guns? What isn't there for a progressive to love?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:05 AM (YSdvs)

64 The last movie Mr. H and I saw in a theater was "American Sniper". Before that it was Dinesh D'Sousa's "Obama's America". I refuse to watch movies that bad-mouth my country.

Posted by: ALH at December 30, 2016 09:05 AM (uLuPn)

65 I agree Ace, that's a great deal of the problem. The other is that these movies are basically preachy, and people just don't care for that. They want a movie to be fun or emotionally compelling, an escape, not a sermon. That's something that "Christian filmmakers" so often fail to understand. Amazing Grace was profoundly Christian, but not preachy. It made a great series of points about morality and truth, but in the story, instead of lecturing the audience or bashing them over the head. Leftist films are the equivalent of Kirk Cameron's earnestly Christian films; they aren't terrible but they lecture and preach rather than show and entertain, and people don't care for it. Oddly enough, the "Left Behind" film wasn't like that, it was more a strange science fiction film involving some quasi-Biblical themes of prophecy.

Posted by: Zombie Ron Brown at December 30, 2016 09:05 AM (39g3+)

66 >>Frankly, going to even a good movie is a challenge for me. Besides the price, and the price of refreshments, one also has to contend with people coming in 30 minutes late and looking for a seat, people talking on the phone, children wandering around, etc.


We see a lot of sci-fi/action movies in the theater and never have issues with other patrons. Guess I'm lucky?

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at December 30, 2016 09:05 AM (NOIQH)

67 I am intrigued by this, how do you say, "robot rape".

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 30, 2016 09:06 AM (4ErVI)

68 EuropaCorp is also the company that made: Taken Taken 2 Taken 3 Transporter Lucy Gotta love the hypocrisy.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:06 AM (YSdvs)

69 56 boobies won't even sell movies anymore. Ever since Algore invented the internet and free porn was born Posted by: Rick in SK at December 30, 2016 02:04 PM (/CIN4) Depends on the boobs and whether I can find them online.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 30, 2016 09:07 AM (MwiFE)

70 What is the world box office market for movies like Miss Sloane? I think that's something that is missed in the accounting process Posted by: Lurker primus at December 30, 2016 01:56 PM (DhPrq) Actually, the world market for such films is virtually nil. Just think about the difficulties of dubbing/subtitling a dialog-heavy film like a typical legal drama. Now consider the cultural subtexts, which are uniquely American, nowhere else in the world are gun rights being fought over like they are here. It's just easier and more lucrative to dub or subtitle a Michael Bay-ish splodeyfest into Urdu for the foreign markets. The American films that consistently do well overseas are the splashy trashy films.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at December 30, 2016 09:07 AM (LuZz8)

71 Breaking Bad Better Call Saul Game of Thrones Fargo (seasons 1&2) True Detective (season 1) Mad Men The Wire Sopranos Silicon Valley Walking Dead. Name a movie this century that was near as good as any of these boob tube shows.

Posted by: Regular joe at December 30, 2016 09:07 AM (ROIz5)

72
We see a lot of sci-fi/action movies in the theater and never have issues with other patrons. Guess I'm lucky?

Posted by: Lizzy at December 30, 2016 02:05 PM (NOIQH)



Most people here carry, so I guess that makes for a more polite viewing audience. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 30, 2016 09:07 AM (PY9jH)

73 Hollywood in the Fifties also faced competition from foreign pictures - where you could see Brigitte Bardot's naked butt for nearly a full second - which appealed to "broad-minded" audiences. Teenage Woody Allen, I'm talking about you!

Posted by: Pete in Texas at December 30, 2016 09:07 AM (nW3Ow)

74 We're not talking about a generic "industry" that makes one violent movie and then another demanding the end of guns. We're talking about a single company, EuropaCorp, which made quite literally all of its money on movies about tough men (and Scarlet Johansson) with guns killing people. It's delicious.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:07 AM (YSdvs)

75 I don't go to these movies because I don't want to be progsplained.

Posted by: rickl at December 30, 2016 09:07 AM (zoehZ)

76 While it is true many on the left support Gun control, for most it is not a high priority issue. It is more the limousine liberals who live and breathe it. One advantage pro gun people have is enthusiasm

Posted by: Don at December 30, 2016 09:08 AM (FTI54)

77 OK, I went and looked it up. It was considered a box office success in its category: a "documentary".

The film opened in New York City and Los Angeles on May 24, 2006. On Memorial Day weekend, it grossed an average of $91,447 per theater, the highest of any movie that weekend and a record for a documentary, though it was only playing on four screens at the time.

The film has grossed over $24 million in the U.S., making it the tenth-highest-grossing documentary in the U.S. (from 1982 to the present). It grossed nearly $26 million in foreign countries, the highest being France, where it grossed $5 million.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inconvenient_Truth

Of course for most films, $24M would not be considered a success, but for the red-headed stepchild category that it is in, it did well.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 30, 2016 09:08 AM (R+30W)

78 I saw some TV ads. Avoided talking guns. Made it look like a House of Cards / All the President's Men thriller. Nothing worse than being badly misled into seeing a movie. So the few who went were disappointed, and it got negative word of mouth. Manchester by The Sea ads avoid the big plot surprise. The long trailer for Passengers gives away the big plot surprise if you pay attention. I got it. My daughter got it.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 30, 2016 09:08 AM (SIY7D)

79 With shows like Law and Order: "leftist theme of the week" out there, why go to a film and pay 25 bucks for a night of lectures you can see for free at home? Film makers are struggling to pull in viewers as is, and charging far too much for their product. TV has figured out how to work in this market: reality TV is incredibly cheap to produce and often has no stars to pay. Even Mythbusters has turned into a crappy Reality TV competition. Movie makers have to work out a cheaper way to put out movies and stop overpaying stars to work for them.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 09:08 AM (39g3+)

80 And what kind of title is "Miss Sloane" anyway? The title alone shouts, "Stay away!"

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:09 AM (SRKgf)

81 77 Of course for most films, $24M would not be considered a success, but for the red-headed stepchild category that it is in, it did well. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 30, 2016 02:08 PM (R+30W) ================== Depends on budget. Documentaries generally don't cost much to make, so $24 million probably did make the production company a bit of cash.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:09 AM (YSdvs)

82 May they be rewarded with well-deserved bankruptcy for their sage-like business acumen. Posted by: DocJ

That's the weird part. Every one of those big organizations has gone under, most more than once, and some are under foreign ownership, which you'd think would bring a strange but different perspective. But generation after generation, the star-maker machinery behind the front gate shows a dread sameness. Same crew, from the writers and directors right down to the guy sweeping up after.

Posted by: Stringer Davis[/i][/b] at December 30, 2016 09:09 AM (H5rtT)

83 It seems that once progressives reach a certain level of indoctrination, they stop being dissuaded by considerations you think even they would take into account. Like money. Hollywood makes one PC bomb after another despite the fact those movies are losers. Remember all those shitty "American troops are evil!" films that came out during the Bush era that cratered, while movies like "The Passion of the Christ" and "Grand Torino" did great? I highly doubt that movie execs made "The Bells of St. Mary's" or "The 10 Commandments" or "The Song of Bernadette" because they were pious themselves. No, they recognized there was a market for such films. Intelligent non-ideologues would have marveled at the huge success of "The Passion" and sought to emulate it. Hollywood is now ideological and unintelligent. Same with these idiot business owners who want to "punish" Trump voters. You'd think that a cereal company, ESPN, a spice business or a restaurant owner would realize that offending a huge percentage of potential customers would hurt their bottom line. But virtue signaling and throwing their pissy little fits are apparently more important.

Posted by: Donna di deplorable ampersands&&&&and so there at December 30, 2016 09:09 AM (P8951)

84 One of the major reasons so much crap gets made into movies is that the pitch has at most 30 seconds to capture the attention of a studio or a producer. Because most of them are saturated in liberal/progressive worldview, these kinds of movies get green lighted cause the studio 'gets' the premise. But they always die because there isn't an actual story, just a point to be made. Boring for everybody.

Posted by: IanDeal at December 30, 2016 09:09 AM (teGBX)

85 It's much more about appeasing Hollywood's desire to make progsploitation films, whether they make a dime or not. At some point you have to turn a profit.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:10 AM (O7kBk)

86 BTW, speaking of guns, there was a big 2nd Amendment win in Nevada this week. In November, a background check initiative funded by Bloomberg passed by 1%. It requires all transfers to include background check, even if you are just loaning someone a gun on a hunting trip. They purposefully stated in the initiative that the background check must be done by the FBI and not Nevada's current system, in order to avoid having the cost to the state taxpayers listed. The thing is, the FBI said they won't do the background checks, which means that by the text of the initiative, all gun transfers become illegal. The state's AG (one of the only conservative and competent Republicans in the state) issued a ruling that said the initiative was unenforceable and people didn't have to comply with it... http://preview.tinyurl.com/zdoldpl Ahahaha!

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2016 09:10 AM (OzJeO)

87 85 At some point you have to turn a profit. Posted by: rickb223 at December 30, 2016 02:10 PM (O7kBk) ================ Miss Sloane's production company, EuropaCorp, makes lots of money on movies about tough men killing other men with guns.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:11 AM (YSdvs)

88 >>I'm too lazy to go research, but I don't think Gore's movie was a blockbuster in the theaters. But, he got the movie into schools. Nothing like a little government compulsion to get more viewers.


The movie's producers gave copies away to schools for free - actively engaged them in incorporating it into lesson plans, etc. That's why you can't assume a slanted documentary or historical fiction movie (like the 4 hr Che movie) has no audience if it's a flop in theaters - as long as it gets into the classroom and/or high rotation on cable/PBS it will have an impact.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at December 30, 2016 09:11 AM (NOIQH)

89 I haven't seen the film and probably never will, but how much of its failure might be attributable to the outcome of the election making a successful fight against the NRA an all but remote possibility now?

I could see Prog womyn getting psyched to go see a film about evil kid-killing NRA/gun industry lobbyists had Hillary won as a lead-in to events that would end in some victories for them - i.e., replacing Scalia with a prog to overturn Heller, President using the bully pulpit for new Assault Weapons Ban, administrative actions/executive orders, etc.

Even if they're not politically sophisticated they have to know that these are now an impossibility. It would seem to be the sort of thing that would depress them now much more than it might excite them, since the villains in the film are going to have a good run for the next four years.

Maybe the studio hedged that HRC was unbeatable in 2016. Fake news has real victims.

Posted by: Alec Leamas at December 30, 2016 09:11 AM (y/9kR)

90 Same with these idiot business owners who want to "punish" Trump voters. You'd think that a cereal company, ESPN, a spice business or a restaurant owner would realize that offending a huge percentage of potential customers would hurt their bottom line. But virtue signaling and throwing their pissy little fits are apparently more important. Then they can learn the hard way.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:11 AM (O7kBk)

91 "Miss Sloane" is like "Erin Brokovich," but dumber, with a more ham-fisted story and a lead actress who couldn't hold a candle to Julia Roberts (in her prime) in the "appealing red head" category.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth [/i][/u][/s][/b] at December 30, 2016 09:11 AM (4df7R)

92 I tell ya, the guy who has the balls to make the next Dirty Harry, a good anti-PC movie that can't be dismissed as trivial DVD crap, will make some cash. Or not, who the fuck knows... I'm looking forward to the new Alien movie...I hope to hell they don't make everyone do stupid shit like in Prometheus.

Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzzy at December 30, 2016 09:12 AM (JM4lv)

93 Me thinks the only agenda a director (or novelist, or screenwriter) should have is telling a great story well. Pure political agendas don't work. IMHO this applies to Christian movies as well. As a Christian I might thoroughly enjoy a movie that reflects my faith--doesn't mean it's a good movie that would appeal to a larger audience. And isn't that the issue with prog movies? They're essentially theology. Tolkien's books and the novels of C.S. Lewis deal with theological themes but they're great books that can be read on other levels. My thoughts at least.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 30, 2016 09:12 AM (hJrjt)

94 I highly doubt that movie execs made "The Bells of St. Mary's" or "The 10 Commandments" or "The Song of Bernadette" because they were pious themselves. No, they recognized there was a market for such films. Record execs in the 60s were notorious for not knowing what the hell was going on in music or liking what they were producing, but smart enough to work with it and make money anyway. Jimi Hendrix? The headache I get. But, it sells! These days nobody seems to comprehend this idea. You don't have to like it, but if you are smart you'll take advantage of it. Remember a few years back when Hollywood decided they'd start up these "faith-based studios" and make more of those kind of movies? I'm not sure a single one was made. It would have helped the Jesuslanders who must be crushed. There's a painful need for people in charge of these industries who get the business rather than the secular religion they all follow.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 09:13 AM (39g3+)

95 Ace is in on FYRE! Analysis, review and short?

Posted by: Fewenuff at December 30, 2016 09:13 AM (gHE26)

96 Modern prog/left mindsets are based on alienation and punishment, but their economics are tightfisted...with their own cash. They'll tax you to hell and waste it on all kinds of bullshit but with their own cash, misers. So....prog television, which is free, does well, but prog movies do not. Lefty fuckers steal more art online than anyone. Haha irony.

Posted by: Bensdad00 at December 30, 2016 09:13 AM (ti4XF)

97 Except for every premium cable TV show, which gives you all the f-bombs and robot-rape you could imagine. Just leave me out of it. That's all I ask.

Posted by: The Chicken at December 30, 2016 09:13 AM (X6fMO)

98 78 I saw some TV ads. Avoided talking guns. Made it look like a House of Cards / All the President's Men thriller. Posted by: Ignoramus at December 30, 2016 02:08 PM (SIY7D) ------------------------------ Yep. I was surprised to see them hawking the movie so much here in gun-happy Appalachia --- and then I noticed that they never let on as to what the movie was actually about!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at December 30, 2016 09:14 AM (Nox3c)

99 17  There is an amazing amount of very high quality entertainment available on TV.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at December 30, 2016 01:55 PM (rF0hx)


That's true for my TV.  Right off my Bluray/DVD shelf from mostly old movies.

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at December 30, 2016 09:14 AM (mpXpK)

100 71 Breaking Bad Better Call Saul Game of Thrones Fargo (seasons 1&2) True Detective (season 1) Mad Men The Wire Sopranos Silicon Valley Walking Dead. Name a movie this century that was near as good as any of these boob tube shows. Posted by: Regular joe at December 30, 2016 02:07 PM (ROIz5) Citizen Kane Ben Hur El Cid Rio Bravo The Searchers Tombstone Big Trouble in Little China John Wick The Quiet Man

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 30, 2016 09:15 AM (MwiFE)

101 92 I tell ya, the guy who has the balls to make the next Dirty Harry, a good anti-PC movie that can't be dismissed as trivial DVD crap, will make some cash. Or not, who the fuck knows... I'm looking forward to the new Alien movie...I hope to hell they don't make everyone do stupid shit like in Prometheus. Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzzy at December 30, 2016 02:12 PM (JM4lv) ====================== Kingsman: The Secret Service does this pretty well. Check it out. Super violent, though, if that's a turn off for you. It's totally not for me.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:15 AM (YSdvs)

102 There is an amazing amount of very high quality entertainment available on TV. If by tv you mean Netflix, Amazon, & Hulu.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:16 AM (O7kBk)

103 Simon & Schuster still seems to get it, in an industry run by leftist lunatics, mostly feminists. They are willing to publish books by Rush Limbaugh and Milo Yianiffelheim not because they're big time conservatives, but because they sell and that's what they are in the business of: selling books.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 09:16 AM (39g3+)

104 >>>How about remaking every film Clint Eastwood ever made, with a Grrrrll star? <<<

I'm thinking a remake of Ocean's Eleven with an all-chick cast would be box-office gold, baby!  They could steal, like, earrings and tampons and shit.

Posted by: Fritz at December 30, 2016 09:16 AM (2Mnv1)

105 She solves intolerance with compassion and understanding. She is the most tolerant inspector EVER on the SFPD! She tolerates perverts, drug addicts, and Methodists. She'll tolerate everything but intolerance. Lena Dunham is... Dirty Harriet Coming soon in limited release. Very very limited.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 30, 2016 09:17 AM (kTF2Z)

106 14 Well, Law Order notoriously offered progsploitation political themes for 14 or 15 years straight. It was never about the murder -- no, it was about the gun manufacturer who made the gun that wound up in the murderer's hands. ++++ If you go back to the very beginning of the series, it was about the murder, at least on the surface. They still would throw in their progressive lessons, but it was more as an aside rather than being the BIG point. That is where progressive propaganda works the best. When they start by making something that is interesting, but then insert their propaganda in a semi-stealth like manner. When the whole point of the "entertainment" is the lecture, everyone loses interest. Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 30, 2016 01:54 PM (R+30W) Rather like "M.A.S.H." I don't remember the beginning being so obnoxious, but by the end, it was a liberal lollapallooza.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:17 AM (SRKgf)

107 "I'm thinking a remake of Ocean's Eleven with an all-chick cast.." Oh, great- you said it out loud. Perfect.

Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk- properly salted for no ice buildup at December 30, 2016 09:17 AM (kVX3W)

108 I saw some TV ads. Avoided talking guns. Made it look like a House of Cards / All the President's Men thriller. We'll pull them in, see? And the film will convince these sister-humping rubes to stop worshiping their guns and turn them into proper authorities! Win-win!

Posted by: Film Exec at December 30, 2016 09:17 AM (39g3+)

109 >>Kingsman: The Secret Service does this pretty well.


That was good!
The sequel...has Channing Tatum (they work w/US agents or something?), so we'll see if that ruins it.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at December 30, 2016 09:17 AM (NOIQH)

110 @48 Independent George at December 30, 2016 02:02 PM I got hooked on Stargate SGC-1 and have the entire thing on DVD. I've binge watched it at least three, maybe four times. The first time through was to watch the show. The second time it was a study; how to tell a story, make a movie, TV series, and I listened to all the commentary tracks. By then I had the formula, and studied the actors, and the directing. By the middle of the last binge, the liberal talking points stuck out like a sore thumb. It got tiresome. That's my point, liberal political ideology is pervasive; it's everywhere, in everything. Snide little off hand comments, liberal character stereotypes for both the good and the bad guys. There is never a conservative point of view that isn't a negative stereotype. Avatar being a good example.

Posted by: Floyde Farthengton at December 30, 2016 09:17 AM (Cimkz)

111 For some reason the name Miss Sloane evokes a mental image of a tight assed bitch with bitchy bitch face.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 30, 2016 09:17 AM (4ErVI)

112 Damn it, Ace, this is why I can't quit you... 

You are spot on here.

Posted by: Cranky Contrarian at December 30, 2016 09:18 AM (aSXL0)

113 I'm thinking a remake of Ocean's Eleven with an all-chick cast would be box-office gold, baby! They could steal, like, earrings and tampons and shit. Posted by: Fritz at December 30, 2016 02:16 PM (2Mnv1) What, no shoes? And instead of car chases, they could have parallel parking scenes.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:18 AM (SRKgf)

114 The last movie I saw at the theaters was Interstellar. Before that it was The Dark Knight Rises. And the few movies that I have watched from 2012 on once they hit DVD, I'm glad I did not waste my money at the theater. I find the new TV shows being put out there far superior than movies. But once they hit that 13 episode mark, like network TV shows do, they become watered down and attempt to stray away from their target audience. Also to me the progexploitation is not nearly as prevalent in TV shows outside of HBO, where even on HBO shows it is tolerable to a point. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see it and I look for it.

Posted by: Pepe at December 30, 2016 09:18 AM (HJEuH)

115 91 "Miss Sloane" is like "Erin Brokovich," but dumber, with a more ham-fisted story and a lead actress who couldn't hold a candle to Julia Roberts (in her prime) in the "appealing red head" category.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 30, 2016 02:11 PM (4df7R)

++++

Did Erin Brokovich have a progressive storyline / lesson? At least as far as what was seen on the screen, it didn't seem left-wing to me. I know there are claims that the movie exaggerated PGE's evilness and enhanced Brokovich's role in the story, but if the movie was looking to brainwash anyone with a leftist ideology, it got right by me.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 30, 2016 09:18 AM (R+30W)

116 aetius, the 1900s called, they want their movies back

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 30, 2016 09:18 AM (W6ceD)

117 Posted by: Rev Dr E Buzzy at December 30, 2016 02:12 PM (JM4lv) I can't wait to see the next death wish. With terrorist bad guys.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 30, 2016 09:18 AM (Q5Ymk)

118 Rather like "M.A.S.H." I don't remember the beginning being so obnoxious, but by the end, it was a liberal lollapallooza. Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 30, 2016 02:17 PM (SRKgf) Once Charles came on the scene, it got much worse. The sweet spot for me was right after BJ and Potter got there.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 30, 2016 09:19 AM (MwiFE)

119 >>I'm thinking a remake of Ocean's Eleven with an all-chick cast would be
box-office gold, baby!


Dude, it's already being filmed right now - Sandra Bullock is the lead.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at December 30, 2016 09:19 AM (NOIQH)

120 109 That was good! The sequel...has Channing Tatum (they work w/US agents or something?), so we'll see if that ruins it. Posted by: Lizzy at December 30, 2016 02:17 PM (NOIQH) ================== They're called Statesmen in the US. And if you don't like Channing Tatum after 21 and 22 Jump Street...I'm just sorry, but you may be dead inside.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:19 AM (YSdvs)

121 That is where progressive propaganda works the best. When they start by making something that is interesting, but then insert their propaganda in a semi-stealth like manner. When the whole point of the "entertainment" is the lecture, everyone loses interest. Sure, the old communist mantra in movies was to get one communist message minute in each film and TV show. Just one minute, slip it in there uncontested. That's the start, and now its 90 minutes per 100-minute movie and 40 minutes per 45-minute TV show.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 09:19 AM (39g3+)

122 REPUBLICAN PARANOIA!

All ultraviolet level troubleshooters  report to level 3!

Posted by: Unterfuhrer Smiley McHonest at December 30, 2016 09:20 AM (kgBMn)

123 When they start by making something that is interesting, but then insert their propaganda in a semi-stealth like manner. When the whole point of the "entertainment" is the lecture, everyone loses interest. When your top actors bail, it's time to reassess what you are doing and why he left. (Christopher Melloni -SVU)

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:20 AM (O7kBk)

124 "Dude, it's already being filmed right now - Sandra Bullock is the lead." And here we have the 7th Sign. So long, everybody!

Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk- properly salted for no ice buildup at December 30, 2016 09:20 AM (kVX3W)

125 Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 30, 2016 02:15 PM (MwiFE)

++++

You are so last century.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 30, 2016 09:20 AM (R+30W)

126 "Hollywood responded to this threat by offering up technical spectacles that TV just couldn't. They offered color. They offered even Technicolor, whatever that is. They offered widescreen and Cinemascope."

Yeah, my I was watching television shows with Supermarionation, and the movies couldn't touch that.

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 30, 2016 09:20 AM (iIzG7)

127 Saw a blurb from a Hollyweird writer... That they were going to Reboot the Starship Troopers Franchise... His big complaint about the original movies? That they didn't have good enough battle scenes... yet he can't have read the books, because he never even mentioned Powered Battle Armor... I really wish someone would do that Book Justice... not a bad caricature....

Posted by: Don Q. at December 30, 2016 09:20 AM (qf6WZ)

128 Now if it'd been called "Mx. Sloane", maybe the key demo would have shown up.

Posted by: 3.14159 at December 30, 2016 09:20 AM (MaINI)

129 Did Erin Brokovich have a progressive storyline / lesson? Just the usual "crusading left wing hero vs evil corporation" junk that presented a massive dumptruck of lies as what happened.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 09:20 AM (39g3+)

130 I agree with your theory Ace and posit that conversely I believe that "The Purge" was successful because it was a novel progsploitation flick. It allowed their dark fascist desires for bloody reckoning to be projected on "the other".

Posted by: [/i]bananaDream at December 30, 2016 09:21 AM (Ag8Mw)

131 I'm thinking a remake of Ocean's Eleven with an all-chick cast would be box-office gold, baby! They could steal, like, earrings and tampons and shit. Or tampon earrings.

Posted by: Melissa Harris Perry-Girl reporter at December 30, 2016 09:21 AM (+lVUW)

132 102 There is an amazing amount of very high quality entertainment available on TV. If by tv you mean Netflix, Amazon, & Hulu. Posted by: rickb223 at December 30, 2016 02:16 PM (O7kBk) Ha! Yep you nailed it. And torrents.

Posted by: Pepe at December 30, 2016 09:22 AM (HJEuH)

133 Yeah, my I was watching television shows with Supermarionation, and the movies couldn't touch that. Posted by: Qoheleth -- Frankly, I think television peaked in 1965 with the pilot episode of Thunderbirds. It is still exciting.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at December 30, 2016 09:22 AM (7ZVPa)

134 Name a movie this century that was near as good as any of these boob tube shows. Posted by: Regular joe at December 30, 2016 02:07 PM (ROIz5) Citizen Kane Ben Hur El Cid Rio Bravo The Searchers Tombstone Big Trouble in Little China John Wick The Quiet Man Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 30, 2016 02:15 PM (MwiFE)
Keyword THIS Century. Movies listed are all last century.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 30, 2016 09:22 AM (ujg0T)

135 >>And if you don't like Channing Tatum after 21 and 22 Jump Street...I'm just sorry, but you may be dead inside.

Channing can be great, just seemed like a weird fit to the Kingsmen,.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at December 30, 2016 09:23 AM (NOIQH)

136 They could do an all-chick Oceans 11, but would it work better if the women were topless throughout. They would have to call it Oceans 22.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 30, 2016 09:23 AM (hJrjt)

137 Oddly enough, I've seen more movies in a theater this year than the previous couple of years. One of them, Nocturnal Animals, was surprisingly conservative. I believe I mentioned that in an thread a few months ago.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at December 30, 2016 09:23 AM (nW3Ow)

138 I still don't know how I managed to miss every single ad for this dreck (not that I'm complaining), but I was subjected to about five million ads for Collateral Beauty, which looks just as dreadful.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 30, 2016 09:23 AM (kumBu)

139 "a strange science fiction film involving some quasi-Biblical themes of prophecy." the Book of Revelation itself is probably best approached this way.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 30, 2016 09:23 AM (W6ceD)

140 116 aetius, the 1900s called, they want their movies back Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 30, 2016 02:18 PM (W6ceD) They can't have them. Hey, John Wick was in there!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 30, 2016 09:23 AM (MwiFE)

141 Movie makers have to work out a cheaper way to put out movies and stop overpaying stars to work for them. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 02:08 PM (39g3+) CGI FTW.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:24 AM (SRKgf)

142 There is some great subversive propaganda that hits issues from the right side as well. Whether or not this is done purposely is up for debate.

Posted by: Pepe at December 30, 2016 09:24 AM (HJEuH)

143 Posted by: Floyde Farthengton at December 30, 2016 02:17 PM (Cimkz) I think the only series that didn't go down the Prog rabbit hole???? Babylon 5.... Basic Law vs. Chaos... good vs evil... right up until the very end...

Posted by: Don Q. at December 30, 2016 09:24 AM (qf6WZ)

144 135 Channing can be great, just seemed like a weird fit to the Kingsmen,. Posted by: Lizzy at December 30, 2016 02:23 PM (NOIQH) =================== I wouldn't expect the American counterparts to the Kingsman to be nearly as suave, but very different. Probably brash and arrogant.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:24 AM (YSdvs)

145

 

How about remaking every film Clint Eastwood ever made, with a Grrrrll star? <<<

 

They could remake the Dirty Harry  movies with the girl star playing the role of his  daughter who has taken over for the retired Harry Callahan.She's called Bloody Mary.

Posted by: Deplorable Male Logic at December 30, 2016 09:24 AM (lKyWE)

146 6 Yes Hollywood completed with TV in the 50s by offering widescreen spectacles like Ben Hurr. Posted by: Vic We Have No Party _________ I first read that as "widescreen spectacles like Raymond Burr."

Posted by: Furious George at December 30, 2016 09:25 AM (77i7V)

147 129 Did Erin Brokovich have a progressive storyline / lesson? Just the usual "crusading left wing hero vs evil corporation" junk that presented a massive dumptruck of lies as what happened. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 02:20 PM (39g3+) A friend of mine actually had some involvement in that case. Apparently young Brokovich is a piece of work.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:25 AM (SRKgf)

148 CGI is pretty expensive, although if they perfect making people in it, they can go the Looker route and just replace actors completely. I really wish someone would remake that film, but Crichton is personan no grata in Hollywood after his Global Warming book.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 09:25 AM (39g3+)

149 "a strange science fiction film involving some quasi-Biblical themes of prophecy." the Book of Revelation itself is probably best approached this way. Been done. Left Behind. Nicolas Cage.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:25 AM (O7kBk)

150 One of the differences between television and the movies is the ability to pull the plug at any time. If I'm watching a television program (all I watch is NetFlix) that takes a leftward turn I can turn it off. Harder to do that at the theatre.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 30, 2016 09:25 AM (hJrjt)

151 >>127 Reboot the Starship Troopers Franchise... Wasn't Showgirls the sequel to Starship Troopers? Slightly fewer bug battles, slightly more shower scenes.

Posted by: [/i]bananaDream at December 30, 2016 09:25 AM (Ag8Mw)

152 Keyword THIS Century. Movies listed are all last century. Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 30, 2016 02:22 PM (ujg0T) We were Soldiers.... 2002

Posted by: Don Q. at December 30, 2016 09:25 AM (qf6WZ)

153 137 Oddly enough, I've seen more movies in a theater this year than the previous couple of years. One of them, Nocturnal Animals, was surprisingly conservative. I believe I mentioned that in an thread a few months ago. Posted by: Pete in Texas at December 30, 2016 02:23 PM (nW3Ow) ================== I haven't seen it, but it was made by Tom Ford, the very gay fashion designer. I doubt that anything you perceived as conservative was meant that way, but that's the power of art.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:25 AM (YSdvs)

154 I think I spied a syphilitic canker sore on Miss Sloane's upper lip. That combined with the stretch marks at the corners lips means she got a bid bad bag of dicks.

Posted by: R. DUKE at December 30, 2016 09:26 AM (ONH2e)

155 136 They could do an all-chick Oceans 11, but would it work better if the women were topless throughout. They would have to call it Oceans 22. Posted by: Northernlurker at December 30, 2016 02:23 PM (hJrjt) Oceans DD

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 30, 2016 09:26 AM (4ErVI)

156 137 Oddly enough, I've seen more movies in a theater this year than the previous couple of years. One of them, Nocturnal Animals, was surprisingly conservative. I believe I mentioned that in an thread a few months ago. Posted by: Pete in Texas at December 30, 2016 02:23 PM (nW3Ow) =================== It's a lot like that episode of South Park where they wrote Scrooty McBoogerballs.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:26 AM (YSdvs)

157 I refuse to watch movies that bad-mouth my country. Posted by: ALH at December 30, 2016 02:05 PM (uLuPn) Or ones that have been all their lives at an orgy and listening to Mick Jagger music

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 30, 2016 09:26 AM (493sH)

158 I first read that as "widescreen spectacles like Raymond Burr." Why do you think they had to come up with widescreen?

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:26 AM (O7kBk)

159 I have it on excellent authority that Chastain and Clooney are teaming up to make a movie showing global warming causing all of the deserts of the middle east causing a mass migration of peaceful muslim refugees to Europe where their religious customs of murder, abuse, rape and oppression are disrespected to the point that their only recourse is to commit frequent acts of mass murder and terrorism. The film will ask the question, "What would Mohammed do?" A movie for our time. They hope for a negative box office.

Posted by: Mr Macca Bean at December 30, 2016 09:27 AM (Gh3fw)

160 COMING SOON TO A THEATER NEAR YOU!!!! Lotions Eleven When a group of ladies discover their favorite anti wrinkle cream is made by a company that was sold to some evil conservative Jesus freak business MAN, they know just what to do..... Steal it back for women's rights!!! Starring Lena Dunham, Amy Schumer, Tina Fey, and Whoopi Goldberg.

Posted by: madamemayhem (i wanna be sedated) at December 30, 2016 09:27 AM (yTnCT)

161 "Yep you nailed it. And torrents.

Posted by: Pepe at December 30, 2016 02:22 PM (HJEuH) "

Some of the acclaimed ones were on standard cable (AMC), which is still a tad humorous - given that AMC stands for "American Movie Classics."

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 30, 2016 09:27 AM (kumBu)

162 Highest grossing movie of 2016: Captain America, where a flag-waving reactionary fossil shoves his boot up the UN's ass and cool globalist Tony Stark winds up beat to shit and sitting at a desk being yelled at by a bit player. There's a moral in that story somewhere...

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at December 30, 2016 09:27 AM (Kucy5)

163 One of the best Christian Conservative movies ever made and was highly subversive was 2011 Warrior. I say subversive because it was marketed about MMA but was anything but. Just a great film with a great message.

Posted by: Pepe at December 30, 2016 09:27 AM (HJEuH)

164 Probably brash and arrogant. English people uniformly think Americans are stupid, loud, and arrogant, but hilarious and fun to be around. They have this stereotype of the stupid loud American who is totally bigoted in their heads, like we do of "english accent = educated and upper crust." It doesn't even matter what english accent, which is how you get Cockney Michael Caine as a freaking butler in Batman.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 09:27 AM (39g3+)

165 149 "a strange science fiction film involving some quasi-Biblical themes of prophecy." the Book of Revelation itself is probably best approached this way. Been done. Left Behind. Nicolas Cage. Posted by: rickb223 at December 30, 2016 02:25 PM (O7kBk) ==================== Noah. I didn't say it was good, but there's definitely some scifi/fantasy weirdness to that movie to admire.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:27 AM (YSdvs)

166 Television: A medium.

So called because it is neither rare nor well done.

Posted by: Ernie Kovacs at December 30, 2016 09:28 AM (QrZtt)

167 63 Make it even better: Miss Sloane was produced by EuropaCorp, which is a European production company. Europeans coming to tell Americans how to handle our guns? What isn't there for a progressive to love? Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 02:05 PM (YSdvs) We should start up AmericaCorp to produce "Miss Mohammed" that tells Europeans to get their heads out of their asses about the Muslims.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:28 AM (SRKgf)

168 I think there is a larger question here: why does it seem like conservative boycotts have succeeded and progressive boycotts usually fail or end up drumming up a conservative anti-boycott instead?

Posted by: BanjoBender at December 30, 2016 09:28 AM (ZqLvj)

169 The focus of Erin Brokovich was more on her cleavage than the evil corporations. Julia Roberts even makes a blowjob joke. So Boffo Boxoff!

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 30, 2016 09:28 AM (SIY7D)

170 If I'm watching a television program (all I watch is NetFlix) that takes a leftward turn I can turn it off. Harder to do that at the theatre. That's when you get up and sneak into a different theater.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:28 AM (O7kBk)

171 Rather like "M.A.S.H." I don't remember the beginning being so obnoxious, but by the end, it was a liberal lollapallooza. Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at December 30, 2016 02:17 PM (SRKgf)
Actually, M.A.S.H. was pretty leftist from the get go. It actually *improved* in later seasons when they introduced the character of Major Charles Winchester (David Ogden Stiers) who wasn't a simple right-wing fall guy like his predescessor Major Frank Burns (Larry Linville). Major Winchester was still a conservative caricature, but he was a character who was not unsympathetic, could hold his own, and could give back just as good as he got.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at December 30, 2016 09:28 AM (ujg0T)

172 "Law & Order was, it claimed, "ripped from the headlines." Movies like Miss Sloane are ripped from Law & Order, season 8." --------------------------------- BOOM

Posted by: Inogame at December 30, 2016 09:29 AM (ySZHT)

173 Yeah, but "Miss Sloane" will get AWARDZZZZZ!!! They've gotta jerk off their feelings somewhere.

Posted by: Colossus of Ben Rhodes at December 30, 2016 09:29 AM (VFhMt)

174 168 I think there is a larger question here: why does it seem like conservative boycotts have succeeded and progressive boycotts usually fail or end up drumming up a conservative anti-boycott instead? Because they don't have deeply held convictions. It's all about the feelz of the moment.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:29 AM (O7kBk)

175 164 English people uniformly think Americans are stupid, loud, and arrogant, but hilarious and fun to be around. They have this stereotype of the stupid loud American who is totally bigoted in their heads, like we do of "english accent = educated and upper crust." It doesn't even matter what english accent, which is how you get Cockney Michael Caine as a freaking butler in Batman. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 02:27 PM (39g3+) ================= You should see how Continentals think of Britons.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:29 AM (YSdvs)

176 Alternate theory: Hollywood (speaking broadly) has a strong sense of entitlement, under which entitlement they have become lazy. We've been writing books for centuries, and do not seem to have run out of ideas. Why does Hollywood have no ideas beyond Marvel Comics and sequels?

Posted by: LCMS Rulz! at December 30, 2016 09:29 AM (o7l6R)

177 129 Did Erin Brokovich have a progressive storyline / lesson?

Just the usual "crusading left wing hero vs evil corporation" junk that presented a massive dumptruck of lies as what happened.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 02:20 PM (39g3+)

++++

But, the Brokovich in the movie wasn't explicitly left wing. And, PGE really did contaminate the groundwater in Hinkley.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hinkley_groundwater_contamination

I don't think it is necessary to defend the reprehensible actions of PGE to be on the right. I suspect that they, like most corporations, are left-wing anyway.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 30, 2016 09:29 AM (R+30W)

178 possible remake: Blazing Saddles - a DJT production. Imagine the lib heads exploding

Posted by: Rick in SK at December 30, 2016 09:30 AM (/CIN4)

179 Left Behind. Nicolas Cage. Right, that's what I was referring to. And it had a bit of a slow beginning but it actually was a pretty good movie. I was hoping they'd do sequels because I liked the premise and concept in a sci fi/apocalyptic way.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 09:30 AM (39g3+)

180 I don't go to movies often because it's easier to stay home and watch Seven Samurai for the 900th time. I can think of two, though, that I saw this year and quite liked. Eye in the Sky Kubo and the Two Strings

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at December 30, 2016 09:30 AM (mgbwf)

181 "Keyword THIS Century. Movies listed are all last century." Eh- Oh Brother Where Art Thou Gladiator Lord of The Rings Trilogy Departed Hurt Locker Silver Linings Playbook Hangover (1st one only) Dark Knight Passion of the Christ Iron Man Monsters Inc Up

Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk- properly salted for no ice buildup at December 30, 2016 09:30 AM (kVX3W)

182 Posted by: madamemayhem (i wanna be sedated) at December 30, 2016 02:27 PM (yTnCT) For some reason I'm seeing something, something big. In lights. Stretch Marks: A Love Story

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 30, 2016 09:30 AM (4ErVI)

183 To me a great example of TV writing and production value increasing and killoing cinema is the movie Nightcrawler. That movie would have made a great TV series at 10 shows a year on cable, Netflix, or Amazon.

Posted by: Pepe at December 30, 2016 09:30 AM (HJEuH)

184 Posted by: Don Q. at December 30, 2016 02:25 PM (qf6WZ) My husband loves that movie.

Posted by: CaliGirl at December 30, 2016 09:31 AM (Q5Ymk)

185 Some competent team with an appreciation for the source material ought to make a movie from Neal Stephenson's stuff. I think there was a proposed movie of Snow Crash that fell through, but Cryptonomicon could do just as well. The only problem is that his books are like neutron star dense; it might be hard to pare down enough to fit in a two hour film.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 30, 2016 09:31 AM (8nWyX)

186 The best short version of Captain America is by the great stop-action Lego videographer Keshen8 on his YouTube channel. Lego Civil War. He nails the libertarian theme, just right. If you like that one, watch his Bourne Ultimatum fight scene.

Posted by: the littl shyning man at December 30, 2016 09:31 AM (U6f54)

187 168 I think there is a larger question here: why does it seem like conservative boycotts have succeeded and progressive boycotts usually fail or end up drumming up a conservative anti-boycott instead? Posted by: BanjoBender at December 30, 2016 02:28 PM (ZqLvj) ==================== If there's a boycott, it's about conservatives tuning out of popular culture in general where only the largest elements get through. Combine that with balkanization of the culture at large due to, at first, cable followed by the internet, and it becomes very easy to be entertained with new things while ignoring larger trends.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:31 AM (YSdvs)

188 The past 16 years? John Wick Dark Knight Fellowship of the Ring Taken Dark Knight Rises Captain America Gran Torino The Passion of the Christ

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 30, 2016 09:31 AM (MwiFE)

189 Raymond Burr -- Perry Mason God, I was twelve? Fourteen? I caught on to the gimmick. every episode, at the most dramatic part, Perry Mason is accusing the suspect of the dastardly crime; confess, confess your sin, and some other guy jumps up and confesses; "It was me. I did it." Then I noticed daytime TV Soap Operas. . .

Posted by: Floyde Farthengton at December 30, 2016 09:32 AM (Cimkz)

190 I don't think it is necessary to defend the reprehensible actions of PGE to be on the right. Yeah they are hardly good guys oppressed by a leftist lawyer. Not nearly as bad as portrayed in the film (Love Canal etc was not even close to as nasty as the press said or the film claimed) but still bad.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 09:32 AM (39g3+)

191 Yeah, but "Miss Sloane" will get AWARDZZZZZ!!! They've gotta jerk off their feelings somewhere. Posted by: Colossus of Ben Rhodes at December 30, 2016 02:29 PM (VFhMt) Nowadays, you can tell how shitty a movie is by how many Oscars it's been nominated for. The "Academy" is sure to direct you to crappy films - guaranteed to be homo-heavy, anti-American or just general pieces of celluloid shit.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 30, 2016 09:32 AM (zc3Db)

192 22 What is the world box office market for movies like Miss Sloane? I think that's something that is missed in the accounting process This report shows zero for international box office revenue. http://tinyurl.com/gsbw24a

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at December 30, 2016 09:32 AM (di1hb)

193 Ace should write a new Wicker Man -- "Wicker Womyn."  It could star Amy Schumer. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 30, 2016 09:32 AM (PY9jH)

194 Why do they keep cratering?  They suck.

Why do they keep making them?  We subsidize Hollywood.  Time to take an axe to that little leftist giveaway.

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, deplorable, winner at December 30, 2016 09:33 AM (GX63o)

195 what i want to know is where the hell do you go that you can see a movie for $10?

last movie we went to was Gran Torino, and by the time you buy 2 tickets, a popcorn and 2 drinks, you're out close to $50, and then you get to try and watch the movie while every other idiot is screwing around with their phones while their kids act the fool and get in your LOS of the screen.

besides, Hollyweird makes crap, and the people in the industry tend to be lieberal assholes, so why should i give them my money?

besides, theater complexes are great, soft terror targets, especially since most of the ones near me are in malls, which are also tempting targets.

i'll just spend my money at the FFL and the shooting ranges, where i'm reasonably safe, and not supporting people who despise me and my values.

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 30, 2016 09:33 AM (QrZtt)

196 Left Behind. Nicolas Cage. Right, that's what I was referring to. And it had a bit of a slow beginning but it actually was a pretty good movie. I was hoping they'd do sequels because I liked the premise and concept in a sci fi/apocalyptic way. Same here because there were about a dozen books. Plenty of time to really develop characters. Even if each movie covered 3 books......

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:33 AM (O7kBk)

197 My simple guess is the same reason Leftist laws are not popular, but that doesn't stop them from beating you over the head with them.

Posted by: Skip at December 30, 2016 09:33 AM (5sOEp)

198 I don't know why so many people like Up. It had a neat beginning and a funny dog but the worst bad guy in the history of cinema. He was bad just because it was an animated film that needed a villain, not for any remotely logical or plausible basis. And his actions were lunatic despite clearly being a wise and intelligent man with decades of life experience. It was really not a great film.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 09:34 AM (39g3+)

199 174 Because they don't have deeply held convictions. It's all about the feelz of the moment. Maybe... it's a little bit like most progs don't even believe the shit they're peddling. Maybe the millennial are just too lazy to step away from Twitter and actually do something about all their complaints

Posted by: BanjoBender at December 30, 2016 09:34 AM (LSB34)

200 Sometimes I catch a bit of an episode of "Law and Order: SVU" on USA, and I must admit that I get a sick kind of joy out of the episodes where they realize that the poor, defenseless, teary-eyed girl they've been coddling the whole episode as they pursue charges against her evil, misogynist, sexual sadist football-playing rapist is actually a scheming, malevolent whore who falsely accused the innocent quarterback b/c he had the gall to ignore her friend request on Facebook.



Few things make me happier than watching Mariska Hargitay and Ice Cube gape at each other in stunned disbelief that they've been played.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth [/i][/u][/s][/b] at December 30, 2016 09:34 AM (4df7R)

201 First, let's get the factual predicate out of the way: the anti-gun, NRA-Are-Big-Meanies film Miss Sloane is an enormous failure.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

( *pauses to catch breath*)

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Why no, I'm not tired of #Winning. Why do you ask?

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 30, 2016 09:35 AM (sJ2ID)

202 198 I don't know why so many people like Up. It had a neat beginning and a funny dog but the worst bad guy in the history of cinema. He was bad just because it was an animated film that needed a villain, not for any remotely logical or plausible basis. And his actions were lunatic despite clearly being a wise and intelligent man with decades of life experience. It was really not a great film. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 02:34 PM (39g3+) ================== Maybe it was the decades in isolation. No,...that's just crazy talk.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:35 AM (YSdvs)

203 An enormous problem is propaganda is ineffective. Thank goodness.

Posted by: Fake at December 30, 2016 09:35 AM (wFDuq)

204 "They've gotta jerk off their feelings somewhere.

Posted by: Colossus of Ben Rhodes at December 30, 2016 02:29 PM (VFhMt) "

Doubtful - that would just cause even more people to realize what a bomb it was. Not many Oscars for "In the Valley of Elah" or "Green Zone." I think they'll just try to memory-hole Miss Sloane as quickly as possible before they get to work on the next film, the one that will finally convince the stupid Jesusland rubes to abandon their guns and bibles.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 30, 2016 09:35 AM (kumBu)

205 I'm glad I "rented" Up.  I turned it off after about half and hour and took it back.  It was a POS.



Just think if I had bought the crap and couldn't take it back.

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at December 30, 2016 09:36 AM (mpXpK)

206 Yeah, but "Miss Sloane" will get AWARDZZZZZ!!! They've gotta jerk off their feelings somewhere. Posted by: Colossus of Ben Rhodes at December 30, 2016 02:29 PM (VFhMt) Wasn't the last Academy Awards big story all butthurt over the lack of "diversity" and there were protests? Unless it's an all non-white cast it won't get anything to make up for it.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 30, 2016 09:36 AM (493sH)

207 We really should start to push back against the so-called progressive label.

If you're referring to progressing towards the edge of the cliff, fine, but otherwise it's a completely perverted use of an otherwise net positive outcome of the subject at hand.

These damn arrogant fools use that word to specifically marginalize anything that opposer their "nuanced" ideas.

Fuck em all

Posted by: groovemetal at December 30, 2016 09:36 AM (GZSAO)

208 I check out lefty sites like Salon regularly, and they weren't even trying to push this movie, although maybe because they're still whining about the election. They're going balls to wall on this "illegitimate" presidency thing.

Posted by: stace, deplorable at last at December 30, 2016 09:36 AM (ozZau)

209 It used to be that Big Tentpole Movies might get up to 40% foreign revenue, with the rest domestic. That's flipped, as the big money is making a high budget flick with lots of explosions and little dialogue that can sell tickets in China. Which is why the Oscar contenders keep getting smaller and smaller.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 30, 2016 09:36 AM (SIY7D)

210 "Keyword THIS Century. Movies listed are all last century." Well krep- forgot Guardians of The Galaxy.

Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk- properly salted for no ice buildup at December 30, 2016 09:36 AM (kVX3W)

211 Few things make me happier than watching Mariska Hargitay Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 30, 2016 02:34 PM (4df7R) Agreed.

Posted by: hogmartin at December 30, 2016 09:36 AM (8nWyX)

212 That's clever, but I think there's another dimension to it as well. Think of an advertisement as a production of something. Obviously, that production costs money and does nothing by itself. It's not like a product that can immediately be sold for profit. But the expectation is that it will pay for itself later on, through convincing people to behave in ways that eventually generate profit. I think the function of movies like this is not necessarily to be profitable in and of themselves, but to convince people to behave in ways that are in line with what the financer wants. And that goes for a lot of media. Salon has been "in business" for many years,but has operated at a loss fpr most of them. I thought Newsweek is dead, yet here is this fellow Eichenwald. *Someone* evidently thinks it's worthwhile keeping these zombies shambling along.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at December 30, 2016 09:37 AM (nIGPZ)

213 Posted by: Ernie Kovacs at December 30, 2016 02:28 PM (QrZtt) You couldn't do 0.00001% today of what Ernie did, nor with his imagination.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at December 30, 2016 09:37 AM (J8/9G)

214 Maybe... it's a little bit like most progs don't even believe the shit they're peddling. Maybe the millennial are just too lazy to step away from Twitter and actually do something about all their complaints They had a chance with their Chick-fil-A boycott. Why didn't it go anywhere? Because they DON'T believe the shit they are peddling.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:38 AM (O7kBk)

215 From IMDB.

In the high-stakes world of political power-brokers, Elizabeth Sloane (Jessica Chastain) is the most sought after and formidable lobbyist in D.C.

Movie is filmed entirely in Toronto, including the studio work.







Posted by: Bruce at December 30, 2016 09:38 AM (8ikIW)

216 Guardians of the Galaxy was big and dumb but funny and entertaining. Not as fun as Deadpool, but pretty fun.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 09:38 AM (39g3+)

217 HA HA! --Points at Miss Sloan.

Posted by: Nelson Muntz at December 30, 2016 09:39 AM (kKHcp)

218 Wasn't the last Academy Awards big story all butthurt over the lack of "diversity" and there were protests? Unless it's an all non-white cast it won't get anything to make up for it. Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 30, 2016 02:36 PM (493sH) === #Oscarssowhite is what you're thinking of. Danny Devito used it as an opportunity to call America racist despite the fact the Oscars are voted on by people within Hollywood (like him) and the American people have nothing to do with it. His antics didn't make me want to stop watching Always Sunny though because I knew Devito was a piece of shit, which is why he's so good in the part of Frank Reynolds, who is also a piece of shit.

Posted by: Independent George at December 30, 2016 09:39 AM (BDZWU)

219 A lot of these movies and tv shows are just poorly written. As left-wing as it was, at least The West Wing had interesting characters who seemed like real people. Nowadays the stories are silly, the characters are one-dimensional, AND their full of left-wing propaganda. You can pick two and still be a success, but not all three.

Posted by: Colorado Alex In Exile at December 30, 2016 09:39 AM (FYrz1)

220 It's much more about appeasing Hollywood's desire to make progsploitation films, whether they make a dime or not. Also laundering the profits from the action movies. The most creative people in Hollywood are the accountants. To go along with the movies must offer something novel thingy, here's my take on the rise of movie theaters with reclining seats and seat side food service and the whole bistro movie theater experience. Televisions are now so high quality, and so cheap, that you can get the same spectacle in your own home, on your couch, without all the people texting and talking and with your own food and own bathroom and hit pause when you want that going to the movies has to turn back into An Experience to get people out of the house. Let's look at the economics of it. Taking myself to the movies at a regular showing, not a matinee, will be around $11-12 a ticket, maybe a bit more. Popcorn and a drink will run me $8. That's more or less the cost of two and a half months of Netflix streaming. That's a fifth of my Prime annual subscription. Do I want to do that or do I want to say screw it, what's On Demand or Netflix or Prime or Hulu. My own place and my own food and drinks and nobody around me and if I want to text during the movie, who cares? To say nothing of torrenting which is wrong and bad and badwrong. So how to get people to go to the movies again? Either do what the tiny local place by me does and have a no frills no stadium seats basic movie theater that shows first run movies for $4.25 but there are no advance or online sales and you better get there an hour early if you want to see the new Pixar or go high end and turn it into a big night out.

Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at December 30, 2016 09:39 AM (mf5HN)

221 Iowahawk hawk-splains: https://twitter.com/iowahawkblog/status/814914216771616768 (scroll to top and read down)

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2016 09:39 AM (gTQoY)

222 "I don't know why so many people like Up. It had a neat beginning and a funny dog but.." SQUIRREL!!!!

Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk- properly salted for no ice buildup at December 30, 2016 09:40 AM (kVX3W)

223 Lena Dunham is...

Dirty Harriet

"Do you feel lucky, punk?"


"No, really, you wanna feel lucky? Wait, stop running! Come baaaaack!!"

"Why do they always run away?"

Posted by: Lena IS Dirty Harriet at December 30, 2016 09:40 AM (prEBe)

224 Up was good for one reason: it told a better tragic love story in 5 mins without any dialogue than most modern movies can manage in 2-3 hours. Ernest Hemingway did better, but not by much.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 30, 2016 09:41 AM (MwiFE)

225 107 "I'm thinking a remake of Ocean's Eleven with an all-chick cast.." Oh, great- you said it out loud. Perfect. Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk- properly salted for no ice buildup at December 30, 2016 02:17 PM (kVX3W) Um, that's actually a thing. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/sandra-bullock-anne-hathaway-all-918828

Posted by: Hugh Jorgen at December 30, 2016 09:41 AM (R5EqA)

226 I'm thinking Ms, Sloan tanks because it sucks. In a bad way. On the other hand Black snake Moan kinda sucks. But in a good way.

Posted by: Drider at December 30, 2016 09:41 AM (6Xbsz)

227 So how to get people to go to the movies again? Have a real intermission and offer bj's?

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:42 AM (O7kBk)

228 76 While it is true many on the left support Gun control, for most it is not a high priority issue. It is more the limousine liberals who live and breathe it. One advantage pro gun people have is enthusiasm Posted by: Don ___________ I don't think of myself as a "single issue voter". I'm more of a "single issue unvoter". You can be right on every single issue, but be even a little squishy on Second Amendment rights, and you're not getting my vote.

Posted by: Furious George at December 30, 2016 09:42 AM (77i7V)

229 Do I want to do that or do I want to say screw it, what's On Demand or Netflix or Prime or Hulu. My own place and my own food and drinks and nobody around me and if I want to text during the movie, who cares? To say nothing of torrenting which is wrong and bad and badwrong. Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at December 30, 2016 02:39 PM (mf5HN) ---------------- don't take this the wrong way, but what might you be wearing whilst watching said movie? asking for a friend....

Posted by: Rick in SK at December 30, 2016 09:42 AM (/CIN4)

230 220 So how to get people to go to the movies again? Either do what the tiny local place by me does and have a no frills no stadium seats basic movie theater that shows first run movies for $4.25 but there are no advance or online sales and you better get there an hour early if you want to see the new Pixar or go high end and turn it into a big night out. Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at December 30, 2016 02:39 PM (mf5HN) ======================== I've always preferred the idea of fluctuating ticket prices. The highest prices will be for big blockbusters in their first weekend. The lowest prices will be for the smaller films in their last weekend in the theater. Assuming I didn't have a 2 year old to take care of all the time, I'd probably go to the movies more if I could see a movie that's been out for a month for $3-4. When I lived near a second run theater showing movies 3-4 months after they'd been released for about a dollar, I went all the time. Quite literally all the freaking time. Le sigh...I miss those days.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:42 AM (YSdvs)

231 wo weeks after its national release, it has made only $3.2 million. During its second weekend, it averaged just $102 per movie theater per day. With a ticket price of $10.30 per adult, that comes to an average of only 9.9 people a day seeing the movie in any given theater. At least people had no problem finding a good seat.

This brings up one of my pet peeves.

I don't care about box office receipts. I care about  actual the number of tickets sold. I want to know how many warm bodies Hollywood succeeds in bringing in to the theater to watch the movies it produces.

To me, that is an important statistic, but in order to find out what is, you have to make some estimations of average ticket price and then do the calculation. That's BS. But I suspect this is a number Hollywood doesn't want to talk about.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 30, 2016 09:43 AM (sJ2ID)

232 So how to get people to go to the movies again? Outlaw DVDs

Posted by: Floyde Farthengton at December 30, 2016 09:43 AM (Cimkz)

233 The idea that anyone, even libs, would pay to go to a theatre to watch the moral angst of a Washington lobbyist was insane on the face of it.

Posted by: Ben Rothleisberger at December 30, 2016 09:43 AM (Mb+1L)

234 This brings up one of my pet peeves. I don't care about box office receipts. I care about actual the number of tickets sold. I want to know how many warm bodies Hollywood succeeds in bringing in to the theater to watch the movies it produces. To me, that is an important statistic, but in order to find out what is, you have to make some estimations of average ticket price and then do the calculation. That's BS. But I suspect this is a number Hollywood doesn't want to talk about. Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 30, 2016 02:43 PM (sJ2ID) ==================== That's easy to figure out with just some math. The average ticket price is out there somewhere. Dollars are just sexier than numbers of people. Also...weekly movie thread? Anyone?

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:44 AM (YSdvs)

235 232 Outlaw DVDs Posted by: Floyde Farthengton at December 30, 2016 02:43 PM (Cimkz) ===================== Outlaw DVDs and only the outlaws will have DVDs.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:45 AM (YSdvs)

236 214 Because they DON'T believe the shit they are peddling. 3 factors in addition to the big ol one Ace mentions: 1) the media gives the impression that a prog backlash spells doom for any venture - the opposite seems to be true, but companies still react more strongly to the prog outcry 2) modern progs are lazy and will tweet about how great the latest prog masterpiece is, but won't bother supporting it. I.e. willing to signal, but not act 3) the final filter is that they just don't care as much as they pretend to

Posted by: BanjoBender at December 30, 2016 09:45 AM (LSB34)

237 95% of movies and TV are made and marketed for women Oren and women. Very few are made and marketed for men only. The ones that are in the beginning soon take on a different direction and lose the male audience that made the show great in the eyes of their initial target audience. Two examples are Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead. Both started off as shows targeted for men, especially The Walking Dead which explains this in the first episode. Then when the studios abandon the target audience of men for men and women, men don't find the show as unique. Trust me, I created the film Fight Club and started out in advertising and music videos.

Posted by: David Fincher at December 30, 2016 09:45 AM (HJEuH)

238 "Also laundering the profits from the action movies.' Losing money is not how you launder money. The mob still wants to run the pizza parlor front at a profit. I also cringe when someone says "they're doing it for the write-off.' Losing money is still losing money, even if you get a deduction for part of it. Back in the 1970s, Dino De Laurentis got his movies financed by enabling his backers to get around monetary exchange controls, but that's a different thing. Hollywood will back a vanity project to get a star to do another project, but never by planning to take a bath like Miss Sloane. Truth is that they don't really know what will work and what won't work even though they pretend that they do.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 30, 2016 09:46 AM (SIY7D)

239 "Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at December 30, 2016 02:39 PM (mf5HN) "

There is still the difference in screen size - though if you have a big enough basement you can get a nice size projector for cheap. But yeah, I think that's a good point - I just saw Rogue One, and my local multiplex has switched to the "event" style of moviegoing. Less seats, all of them recliners, with assigned seating.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 30, 2016 09:46 AM (kumBu)

240 237 95% of movies and TV are made and marketed for women Oren and women. Very few are made and marketed for men only. The ones that are in the beginning soon take on a different direction and lose the male audience that made the show great in the eyes of their initial target audience. Two examples are Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead. Both started off as shows targeted for men, especially The Walking Dead which explains this in the first episode. Then when the studios abandon the target audience of men for men and women, men don't find the show as unique. Trust me, I created the film Fight Club and started out in advertising and music videos. Posted by: David Fincher at December 30, 2016 02:45 PM (HJEuH) =================== Most movie advertising usually seems to be targeted at teenage boys. They're not making endless Marvel movies because Soccer Moms love them.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:47 AM (YSdvs)

241 don't take this the wrong way, but what might you be wearing whilst watching said movie? asking for a friend.... Posted by: Rick in SK at December 30, 2016 02:42 PM (/CIN4) Oh my stars and garters, what a scandalous inquiry! I am horrified! Horrified! Also yoga pants and a hoodie because I'm classy like that.

Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at December 30, 2016 09:47 AM (mf5HN)

242 My local theater is one of the ones that has a 21 and up balcony with a bar outside where one can buy beer and cocktails. Few weeks ago went to see Hacksaw Ridge there with a buddy. That movie needed a stiff drink to go with it. Damn good film though. With the ticket and the drinks, I think my friend and I spent more that night on Hacksaw Ridge than this movie made...ever.

Posted by: DanInMN at December 30, 2016 09:47 AM (h5ffp)

243 It's really bad for Barry even the lack wits at Yahoo are running the Russians are laughing at Barry story: Russia taunts U.S. on Twitter after White House announces punishment for cyberattacks: From the Russian Embassy in the UK: President Obama expels 35 Russian diplomats in Cold War deja vu. As everybody, incl American people will be glad to see the last of this hapless Adm. Russia's U.S. embassy also published a "season's greetings" statement from Putin to various world leaders, Trump, past U.S. Presidents George W. Bush and George H.W. Bush - but not Obama.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 30, 2016 09:48 AM (493sH)

244 I don't care about box office receipts. I care about actual the number of tickets sold. The trillion dollar coin, the 327 million dollar movie ticket.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at December 30, 2016 09:48 AM (J8/9G)

245 There is still the difference in screen size - though if you have a big enough basement you can get a nice size projector for cheap. But yeah, I think that's a good point - I just saw Rogue One, and my local multiplex has switched to the "event" style of moviegoing. Less seats, all of them recliners, with assigned seating. IMAX. But then they charge twice for it.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:48 AM (O7kBk)

246 Here's the thing Ace missed - Hollywood also misread the election. They were SURE Hillary was going to be coronated, and there would be enthusiasm for this crap. And the movie plain stunk. A tensionless "thriller" covering ground the target audience has been steadily losing on for years, and has no chance to gain for the forseeable future. PLUS all the cows it was aimed at were so depressed that rather than see a movie they all had to go to therapists to discuss their extinct libido or go get empowering grrrrrl power haircuts beacuse patriarchy

Posted by: Tradd at December 30, 2016 09:48 AM (GSJcT)

247 239 There is still the difference in screen size - though if you have a big enough basement you can get a nice size projector for cheap. But yeah, I think that's a good point - I just saw Rogue One, and my local multiplex has switched to the "event" style of moviegoing. Less seats, all of them recliners, with assigned seating. Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 30, 2016 02:46 PM (kumBu) ==================== I love assigned seating in movie theaters. I spent a few weeks in London a few years ago and I ended up going to the British Film Institute every day for about a week. They were doing a Michael Mann retrospective and I got to reserve my seat in the middle without worrying about sitting there forever before each film started.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:48 AM (YSdvs)

248 So how to get people to go to the movies again? Either do what the tiny local place by me does and have a no frills no stadium seats basic movie theater that shows first run movies for $4.25 but there are no advance or online sales and you better get there an hour early if you want to see the new Pixar or go high end and turn it into a big night out.

Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at December 30, 2016 02:39 PM (mf5HN)



The theater ten minutes from me has full food service & stadium seating but it's pretty small.  The hubby and I see most of our movies there.  A matinee is $7.00/ticket.  With lunch we end up spending about $40.  It's a good deal if it's a movie we've been waiting to see and want to enjoy before we get spoiled to all the good bits on the internet.  But the days of going to the movies just to go to the movies are long gone.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth [/i][/u][/s][/b] at December 30, 2016 09:48 AM (4df7R)

249 Losing money is not how you launder money. The mob still wants to run the pizza parlor front at a profit. Here's how they do it: they bundle films together in packages, and pay actors etc based on the average overall earnings. I suspect they pay therr taxes based on the same sort of accounting. Batman, the 1989 one with Jack Nicholson made $411,348,924 worldwide and cost $35 million to make. Nicholson only did the movie because he got a deal to make a percentage of the profits. To this day, supposedly, because of their creative accounting Nicholson has earned nothing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 09:49 AM (39g3+)

250 Oh my stars and garters, what a scandalous inquiry! I am horrified! Horrified! Also yoga pants and a hoodie because I'm classy like that. Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at December 30, 2016 02:47 PM (mf5HN) yoga pants... I'll be in my bunk

Posted by: Rick in SK at December 30, 2016 09:49 AM (/CIN4)

251 " Up was good for one reason: it told a better tragic love story in 5 mins without any dialogue than most modern movies can manage in 2-3 hours. Ernest Hemingway did better, but not by much." Aaaaaaaand that's what it's all aBOUT! *clap clap*

Posted by: Twin Cities Daydrunk- properly salted for no ice buildup at December 30, 2016 09:49 AM (kVX3W)

252 >>Most movie advertising usually seems to be targeted at teenage boys. They're not making endless Marvel movies because Soccer Moms love them.


Saw Rogue One recently, and all but one of the movie previews were some sort of girlpower film - Wonder Woman, Transformers 5 (Marl Walberg and some teen gal), etc.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at December 30, 2016 09:50 AM (NOIQH)

253 I would not torrent, if I could pick my channels commercial free via satellite without internet connection needed. Until then the companies should adapt or die. If I love a show, I'll buy It like I will a movie. Nothing wrong with giving shows and movies a test run before buying. I don't torrent movies. I rent movies or check hem out from the library.

Posted by: Pepe at December 30, 2016 09:50 AM (HJEuH)

254 Also yoga pants and a hoodie because I'm classy like that. Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at December 30, 2016 02:47 PM (mf5HN) yoga pants... I'll be in my bunk Posted by: Rick in SK Good for you. I didn't make it that far.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:50 AM (O7kBk)

255 This brings up one of my pet peeves. I don't care about box office receipts. Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 I do, but only because it plays into a different pet peeve of mine. People always say this movie cost $65 mm to produce and promote and it grossed $100 mm. Don't theaters get half of the gross? That would make this move a loser. I may not understand what I'm talking about, but this bothers me.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at December 30, 2016 09:50 AM (mgbwf)

256 Up was good for one reason: it told a better tragic love story in 5 mins without any dialogue than most modern movies can manage in 2-3 hours. So its 5 minutes of good movie, and then a bunch of animation. That doesn't make it a great movie, it makes it a great short.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 09:51 AM (39g3+)

257 There are a lot of anti-gun heroes in media. Superman, for one. Some Batmans, but not the latest Batman -- he picked up an automatic and went to town on a bad guy in Batman vs Superman. Doctor Who, except for the 3rd doctor. MacGyver. Captain America.

Posted by: Soothsayer Pro at December 30, 2016 09:52 AM (LmrWy)

258 anyone with "tits" in their signature, is alright by me.

Posted by: Rick in SK at December 30, 2016 09:52 AM (/CIN4)

259 Batman, the 1989 one with Jack Nicholson made $411,348,924 worldwide and cost $35 million to make. Nicholson only did the movie because he got a deal to make a percentage of the profits. To this day, supposedly, because of their creative accounting Nicholson has earned nothing. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 02:49 PM (39g3+) Hollywood accounting sounds like a good subject for a congressional investigation. That and the pedo stuff.

Posted by: Kodos the Executioner at December 30, 2016 09:52 AM (J8/9G)

260 don't take this the wrong way, but what might you be wearing whilst watching said movie?

asking for a friend....

Posted by: Rick in SK at December 30, 2016 02:42 PM (/CIN4)




Wearing? What are you talking   about?   Who wears CLOTHES when they're lounging on their   own couch watching a movie?      This is 'merica, son!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth [/i][/u][/s][/b] at December 30, 2016 09:52 AM (4df7R)

261 In my own case, being deluged with liberal media, entertainment and government policies have pushed me significantly farther to the right.

Posted by: Libertarianwannabe at December 30, 2016 09:53 AM (nQ10o)

262 Wonder Woman- yes yes, nice and all. But give me more Aqua Drogo.

Yes, please, and thank you.

Posted by: Occam's Epilady at December 30, 2016 09:53 AM (prEBe)

263 we started watching the Korean Drama "Signal", it's a ripoff of Frequency but it has some good writing and Character development, a police officer from the past can communicate with an officer from the future only at certain times and only for two minutes, they try to rewrite history but even though they save people, they end up killing someone else instead, lots of intrigue, corruption of the Police and Politicians and hints.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 30, 2016 09:53 AM (dKiJG)

264 Batman, the 1989 one with Jack Nicholson made $411,348,924 worldwide and cost $35 million to make. Nicholson only did the movie because he got a deal to make a percentage of the profits. To this day, supposedly, because of their creative accounting Nicholson has earned nothing.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 02:49 PM (39g3+)

++++

You would think that even then, Nicholson would had been around long enough to know that you always demand a percentage of the gross not the net.

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 30, 2016 09:53 AM (R+30W)

265 The Daily Mail has an hilarious cautionary tale. Some parents got one of those stupid "Alexa" voice activated things, and their little boy is playing with it. He asks "Alexa" to play some song, which he sort of mumbles.

    Alexa misunderstood and soon began repeating dirty words and porny sounding stuff. "Anal dildo" was among them. The kids parents screamed "Alexa, stop!".

     I bet it was Puting hacking 'em to corrupt the yutes of America.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 30, 2016 09:53 AM (DW+jj)

266 Ohhh I love Michael Mann. I've always preferred the idea of fluctuating ticket prices. The highest prices will be for big blockbusters in their first weekend. The lowest prices will be for the smaller films in their last weekend in the theater. Assuming I didn't have a 2 year old to take care of all the time, I'd probably go to the movies more if I could see a movie that's been out for a month for $3-4. When I lived near a second run theater showing movies 3-4 months after they'd been released for about a dollar, I went all the time. Quite literally all the freaking time. Le sigh...I miss those days. Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 02:42 PM (YSdvs) Yeah, the little theater by me that shows first run movies for $4.25 a show does TONS of business because you can actually afford to go. I should note that it's a huge scandal in town how much they've raised ticket prices since it used to be $2. What you trade off is the quality of the experience. The prices went up because they went full digital but it's not THX and it's not IMAX and it's mid size screens and it's old fashioned wooden seats and kids running around. There's nothing wrong with that but it's not the same as seen Rogue One on a yuuuuuuge screen with an assigned seat that reclines.

Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at December 30, 2016 09:54 AM (mf5HN)

267 There are a lot of anti-gun heroes in media. Superman, for one. Some Batmans, but not the latest Batman -- he picked up an automatic and went to town on a bad guy in Batman vs Superman. Doctor Who, except for the 3rd doctor. MacGyver. Captain America. Posted by: Soothsayer Pro at December 30, 2016 02:52 PM (LmrWy) Andy Taylor. But not Barney Fife, he doesn't put up with that p*ssy crap

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 30, 2016 09:54 AM (493sH)

268 255 I do, but only because it plays into a different pet peeve of mine. People always say this movie cost $65 mm to produce and promote and it grossed $100 mm. Don't theaters get half of the gross? That would make this move a loser. I may not understand what I'm talking about, but this bothers me. Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at December 30, 2016 02:50 PM (mgbwf) ==================== Generally the math is this: Budget x 2 (for marketing, which generally matches a film's budget) divided by .6 (for the theater's take). For, for example: Ghostbusters (2016) cost about $170 million to make. Assume that the marketing push was that size takes us to $340 million total. Divide that by .6 and we get $566 million dollars, which is the movie's real break even point. Paul Feig, the director, verified in an interview before the film's release that it would need to make about $500 million to break even.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:54 AM (YSdvs)

269 Yep, Andy Talyor. That's a good one.

Posted by: Soothsayer Pro at December 30, 2016 09:55 AM (LmrWy)

270 Batman, the 1989 one with Jack Nicholson made $411,348,924 worldwide and cost $35 million to make. Nicholson only did the movie because he got a deal to make a percentage of the profits. To this day, supposedly, because of their creative accounting Nicholson has earned nothing. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 02:49 PM (39g3+) Instapundit has been pushing the idea that we should re-institute high taxes on movies and other such "entertainment drivel"... as well as audit the s**t out of the studios...

Posted by: The Political Hat at December 30, 2016 09:55 AM (OzJeO)

271 Paul Feig, the director, verified in an interview before the film's release that it would need to make about $500 million to break even. Posted by: TheJamesMadison that's a lot of $8 popcorn

Posted by: Rick in SK at December 30, 2016 09:56 AM (/CIN4)

272 I'd probably go to the movies more if I could see a movie that's been out for a month for $3-4. By the time it's been out for a month, it's a $1.65 at Redbox.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:56 AM (O7kBk)

273 The show's writer made sure to make Andy an alpha and Barney a beta, at many opportunities.

Posted by: Soothsayer Pro at December 30, 2016 09:56 AM (LmrWy)

274 271 that's a lot of $8 popcorn Posted by: Rick in SK at December 30, 2016 02:56 PM (/CIN4) ================== Theaters take 100% of concessions sales. Studios get none of it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:57 AM (YSdvs)

275 i didn't know they made yoga pants that big...


Posted by: redc1c4 at December 30, 2016 09:57 AM (QrZtt)

276 It's like I always used to say. Why should I pay to see liberal sermons when I can go to an Episcopal Church and see one for free?

Posted by: Christopher Johnson at December 30, 2016 09:57 AM (iBt4g)

277 ">>Frankly, going to even a good movie is a challenge for me. Besides the price, and the price of refreshments, one also has to contend with people coming in 30 minutes late and looking for a seat, people talking on the phone, children wandering around, etc. We see a lot of sci-fi/action movies in the theater and never have issues with other patrons. Guess I'm lucky? Posted by: Lizzy at December 30, 2016 02:05 PM (NOIQH) " Alamo Drafthouse Cinema moved into Omaha about a year ago, and it is incredible. The Sunday matinee price is about the same as all the other theaters in Omaha, but Alamo has a yu-u-u-ge! reproduction of the original Death Star in their lobby that lights up and makes the appropriate noises when you sit in the Emperor's Throne and push the button. Instead of a concession stand, attendants take your order at your seat. They serve real popcorn with real melted butter, and drink and popcorn refills are free. Just write your order on a card and prop it up. And, again, it's no more expensive than any where else. The best thing, though, is Alamo is death and taxes on cell phones and talking, and won't let late arrivals enter the theater. Once the lights go down, you seldom hear anything except the movie itself.

Posted by: deplorable lady with a deplorable basket of deplorable cats at December 30, 2016 09:57 AM (v7mye)

278 Ghostbusters (2016) cost about $170 million to make. Assume that the marketing push was that size takes us to $340 million total. Divide that by .6 and we get $566 million dollars, which is the movie's real break even point. Isn't advertising a tax write off?

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 09:57 AM (O7kBk)

279 272 By the time it's been out for a month, it's a $1.65 at Redbox. Posted by: rickb223 at December 30, 2016 02:56 PM (O7kBk) ===================== I much prefer the theater experience over the home viewing experience. And yes, I've done a theater recently. It's still better.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:57 AM (YSdvs)

280 The show's writer made sure to make Andy an alpha and Barney a beta, at many opportunities.

Posted by: Soothsayer Pro

But Barney was nailing Thelma Lou and Juanita like a carpenter, and Andy was getting a polite handshake from Helen at the end of the evening.

Posted by: Bruce at December 30, 2016 09:58 AM (8ikIW)

281 I haven't been to a movie theater since the '90s, I don't think.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 30, 2016 09:58 AM (DW+jj)

282 278 Isn't advertising a tax write off? Posted by: rickb223 at December 30, 2016 02:57 PM (O7kBk) =================== Only if you know the right people.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 09:59 AM (YSdvs)

283 "To this day, supposedly, because of their creative accounting Nicholson has earned nothing." You want your "points" above the line (before expense deductions) not "below." Any good agent with an A list star client gets this (because the agent gets 10%, and so really cares). If you're below, then they slap on all the studio overhead -- which includes expenses on losing pictures. Art Buchwald won a plagiarism lawsuit over Coming to America. When it came time for damages the studio claimed that the highest grossing film in the year of its release lost money. The court smacked the studio down.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 30, 2016 09:59 AM (SIY7D)

284 >> But Barney was nailing Thelma Lou and Juanita like a carpenter,

  But who was nailing Aunt Bea? Otis?

   I'll bet Floyd got some action too.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 30, 2016 10:00 AM (DW+jj)

285 Never heard of John Wick, so I looked it up because I have an open mind for good movies, but then I saw it stars Keanu Reeves... There have been some entertaining movies during the past 16 years, but none of them can hold a candle to my list. The only one that comes close is Ted 2. Not Ted 1, which was dreck, but Ted 2, which featured the modern Olivier, Lenny Clark

Posted by: Regular joe at December 30, 2016 10:00 AM (ROIz5)

286 I just keep an eye on the TCM schedule. All recently on... Song of Bernadette King of Kings. And, Omega Man.

Posted by: havildar-major at December 30, 2016 10:00 AM (jpW6t)

287 "i didn't know they made yoga pants that big...


Posted by: redc1c4 at December 30, 2016 02:57 PM (QrZtt) "

Someone is confident in their raptor-proofing...but the real question is, how strong are your shinguards?

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 30, 2016 10:01 AM (kumBu)

288 El Cid

================

A classic.  When's the last time "El Cid" was on broadcast or cable?

Posted by: mrp at December 30, 2016 10:02 AM (JBggj)

289 The show's writer made sure to make Andy an alpha and Barney a beta, at many opportunities. Posted by: Soothsayer Pro at December 30, 2016 02:56 PM (LmrWy) I think it worked because they are in a rinky dink town and the major crime is a town drunk who locks himself up. There was an episode where Barney was arguing that they need money for tear gas, machine guns and other riot gear. But it was funny

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 30, 2016 10:02 AM (493sH)

290 Insty's main drive is to eliminate the pointless and bizarre Hollywood Tax Credit that the feds give movie making, to help them with their struggling industry or something. That and a severe audit are definitely called for; these guys are basically stealing from the government and their own workers. Seriously its not that hard to make movies cheaper. Most great films made were done on a shoestring budget because Studios would not give them what they wanted. So much of the money is eaten up in stupid pointless stuff like super high end catering tables groaning with Kobe Beef and champagne and 82 assistants who are just entourage getting a kick of the budget.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 10:02 AM (39g3+)

291 If you want to watch a good film with no politics I'd suggest the film Lion with Dev Patel.

You will laugh, you will cry. You will feel good when the movie is over.


Posted by: Kreplach at December 30, 2016 10:02 AM (+lv+r)

292 "I much prefer the theater experience over the home viewing experience. And yes, I've done a theater recently. It's still better.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 02:57 PM (YSdvs) "

Yeah, I'm the same - used to see 15-20 movies a year at the 2nd run theater, 3.50 for tickets. That place shut down about a decade ago, and now I usually see maybe 2 movies a year.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 30, 2016 10:03 AM (kumBu)

293 291 If you want to watch a good film with no politics I'd suggest the film Lion with Dev Patel. You will laugh, you will cry. You will feel good when the movie is over. Posted by: Kreplach at December 30, 2016 03:02 PM (+lv+r) ====================== If you want a politically charged movie that will elicit no emotion from you because you're completely removed from it, I'd recommend Z.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 10:04 AM (YSdvs)

294 It's like I always used to say. Why should I pay to see liberal sermons when I can go to an Episcopal Church and see one for free?

Posted by: Christopher Johnson at December 30, 2016 02:57 PM (iBt4g)


I thought you stopped attending the Episcopal Entity some time ago.

But I guess the liberal sermons are always there if you want them.

BTW, I've always liked your blog.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 30, 2016 10:04 AM (sJ2ID)

295 So its 5 minutes of good movie, and then a bunch of animation. That doesn't make it a great movie, it makes it a great short. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 02:51 PM (39g3+) Not arguing that. The movie on the whole is not my favorite. But it gets real dusty during the first five minutes.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 30, 2016 10:04 AM (MwiFE)

296 Yes you can tax deduct advertising. But it's still an expense. Miss Sloane really sucked because they promoted it a lot, but didn't sell more tickets. They would have lost less by putting it straight to DVD.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 30, 2016 10:04 AM (SIY7D)

297 153 TheJamesMadison Yes, i know about Tom Ford. Also, the main female character's mother is an EVIL Texas Republican. Here's the thing, though. (SPOILERS AHEAD) She proves to be just as materialistic as her mother when she aborts her husband's baby, the easier to break up with him, because he doesn't earn enough money to satisfy her. Twenty years later, she seems successful. In fact, she's living way beyond her means, and her second husband is a cheater. Take that, feminism! Not only that, but her current job as an art curator is bogus, since her latest show consists of video of morbidly obese naked women with surgical scars dancing in slow motion while waving tiny American flags.

Posted by: Pete in Texas at December 30, 2016 10:04 AM (nW3Ow)

298 A classic. When's the last time "El Cid" was on broadcast or cable? Posted by: mrp at December 30, 2016 03:02 PM (JBggj) Another good Chuck Heston period piece is 'The Warlord' which rarely gets shown

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 30, 2016 10:04 AM (493sH)

299 i didn't know they made yoga pants that big... Posted by: redc1c4 at December 30, 2016 02:57 PM (QrZtt) You speak the truth. You're still getting Ravaged and by that I mean the Raptors, not the happy fun way.

Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at December 30, 2016 10:05 AM (mf5HN)

300 >>Alamo Drafthouse Cinema moved into Omaha about a year ago, and it is incredible.

That does sound like fun!
We have a theater here that allows you to reserve your seats and includes concessions in the (higher) ticket price - you pick up your own soda and popcorn in the lobby. They show R movies to reduce possibility of kids in the theater.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at December 30, 2016 10:05 AM (NOIQH)

301 Nobody goes to liberal movies for the same reason nobody goes to conservative movies. People want to be entertained or enlightened (maybe both). They do NOT want to be lectured. For Hollywood, a lecture is pretty much a harangue. Who pays for that?

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 30, 2016 10:06 AM (TYLdf)

302 I am the most reluctant movie goer. The sound systems are dialed up way too high, I just about jump out of my seat, and it hurts my ears. Puts me in a bad mood right off the bat. The movie better be damned good for me to even consider going.

Posted by: washrivergal at December 30, 2016 10:06 AM (CFc5L)

303 292 Yeah, I'm the same - used to see 15-20 movies a year at the 2nd run theater, 3.50 for tickets. That place shut down about a decade ago, and now I usually see maybe 2 movies a year. Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 30, 2016 03:03 PM (kumBu) ================== My big thing is distractions. At home, I have distractions everywhere, and I'm very open to just pulling out my phone and going through it for no reason. In a theater, you do get people walking past you and some glowing screens now and again, but I simply just don't go for my own phone. I don't really know why, but it's just not a factor. I can deal with the little things in the corner of my eye in a theater, but I can't get past needing to look at my phone at home.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 10:06 AM (YSdvs)

304 Heh, the Andy Griffith show talk reminds me of a line from Married...with Children.

Peg - Al, you're a grown man and you make less money than Opie.

Al - Peg, Opie came home to Aunt Bea's pies. I come home to Aunt Bea.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 30, 2016 10:06 AM (kumBu)

305 @260 That's the spirit, MWR. Well played. (Not just)my hat's off to you.

Posted by: Stringer Davis[/i][/b] at December 30, 2016 10:07 AM (H5rtT)

306 You're still getting Ravaged and by that I mean the Raptors, not the happy fun way. *raises hand* Dibs on redc's good stuff, if he has any.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at December 30, 2016 10:07 AM (mgbwf)

307 288 El Cid ================ A classic. When's the last time "El Cid" was on broadcast or cable? Posted by: mrp at December 30, 2016 03:02 PM (JBggj) Amen. Possibly the best depiction of honor, loyalty and nobility. As far as broadcast, I have the DVD and blu-ray somewhere. It does not make the rounds on TCM or one of the other cable networks?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at December 30, 2016 10:07 AM (MwiFE)

308 "Insty's main drive is to eliminate the pointless and bizarre Hollywood Tax Credit that the feds give movie making," It's not federal. It's states and local governments who often give money -- not just deductions -- to draw local movie and TV production.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 30, 2016 10:07 AM (SIY7D)

309 The best way to see films, I think, is in second run theater pub type places. Dirt cheap and you get a meal. 3 bucks to see Dr Strange and eat pizza for another 10, and you're still better off than going to a first run joint.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 10:07 AM (39g3+)

310 You're still getting Ravaged, the happy fun way. Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits I volunteer as tribute...

Posted by: Rick in SK at December 30, 2016 10:08 AM (/CIN4)

311 We passed on the IMAX and 3D options to see _Fantastic Beasts_ for $7 each. No one else in the theater but us! (weekday during school) Let the girl get one snack. So...not too bad for a very enjoyable movie. The kids have to really really want to see something to not just wait for DVD/Amazon. And the oldest doesn't like movies in general. Other 2 want to see _Sing_. I've convinced them to wait til school starts back up so it'll be less crowded.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2016 10:08 AM (gTQoY)

312 Nobody goes to liberal movies for the same reason nobody goes to conservative movies. People want to be entertained or enlightened (maybe both). They do NOT want to be lectured. For Hollywood, a lecture is pretty much a harangue. Who pays for that? Posted by: BeckoningChasm at December 30, 2016 03:06 PM (TYLdf) Can't remember who said this but I think it was a head of a studio in the 30s or 40s. If I want to send a message I'll call Western Union.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 30, 2016 10:08 AM (493sH)

313 The best way to see films, I think, is in second run theater pub type places. Dirt cheap and you get a meal. 3 bucks to see Dr Strange and eat pizza for another 10, and you're still better off than going to a first run joint. The biggie around here is Studio Movie Grill.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 10:08 AM (O7kBk)

314 Saw Rogue One recently, and all but one of the movie previews were some sort of girlpower film - Wonder Woman, Transformers 5 (Marl Walberg and some teen gal), etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at December 30, 2016 02:50 PM (NOIQH)



ARRRRRGH, I hate that!  Hubby and I were talking about this in the car just yesterday.  Every movie today, with the exception of Oscar bait and some of the really big budget summer tentpoles, are made for teenage girls.  That's it.   Why? Because teenage girls will go see some dumb    grrrrrl power crap  six times   so long as there's at least one hot guy in it. 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth [/i][/u][/s][/b] at December 30, 2016 10:09 AM (4df7R)

315 Theaters make their money selling popcorn, not tickets. Gas stations make their money selling coffee, not gas. Alamo figured out there's even more money if you sell beer.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 30, 2016 10:09 AM (SIY7D)

316 302 I am the most reluctant movie goer. The sound systems are dialed up way too high, I just about jump out of my seat, and it hurts my ears. Puts me in a bad mood right off the bat. The movie better be damned good for me to even consider going. Posted by: washrivergal at December 30, 2016 03:06 PM (CFc5L) This is very true. I know many people that feel the same way. And that goes up by a factor of 10 when their children are involved.

Posted by: Pepe at December 30, 2016 10:09 AM (HJEuH)

317 It's not federal. It's states and local governments who often give money As I understand his arguments and several columns on it, that's in addition to the federal tax breaks that Hollywood gets. That's just states trying to get the production done locally, a different issue which I don't think Insty has a problem with.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 10:09 AM (39g3+)

318 Two of the four Monkees were born on this day, December 30th. Michael Nesmith and the late Davey Jones.

Posted by: Soothsayer Pro Elite at December 30, 2016 10:09 AM (LmrWy)

319 @298 Hoo. Ah. "You took this from a Frisian?"
I'm a major fan. So was my history prof. We all should start a club.
Charlton being Charlton. OK. But, Richard Boone's greatest role ever.

Posted by: Stringer Davis[/i][/b] at December 30, 2016 10:10 AM (H5rtT)

320 As far as broadcast, I have the DVD and blu-ray somewhere. It does not make the rounds on TCM or one of the other cable networks? It's not on Netflix or Amazon Prime that I could find.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 10:10 AM (O7kBk)

321 good movies this century: Ray Walk the Line Jersey Boys i'm kinda partial to music biopic's if you didn't notice

Posted by: Rick in SK at December 30, 2016 10:10 AM (/CIN4)

322 "Because teenage girls will go see some dumb grrrrrl power crap six times so long as there's at least one hot guy in it." Married women too. Hence Magic Mike. And Shades of Gray. Mommie porn.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 30, 2016 10:10 AM (SIY7D)

323 Next up a remake of Laurence of Arabia, but it refers to Jennifer Laurence. And Arabia is not politically correct so maybe Laurence of Texas. Or the focus of the remake could be Laurence's gayness.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 30, 2016 10:10 AM (hJrjt)

324 I have multiple theories about this, and each may be correct in different situations and in different degrees:

(1) The Hollywood Left honestly and sincerely believes their values reflect those of the majority of Americans.  They really and truly believe, deep in what passes for their hearts, that most Americans loathe the military and the conscienceless baby-killers who make up their ranks; that most Americans feel the need for gun control, weapons bans, and other prohibitions, and that is is only the tiny minority embodied by the diabolical NRA and their fanatics that oppose it; that most Americans are perfectly comfortable with homosexual marriage and gender fluidity; that most Americans see the need for an overarching government to protect us from bad choices and to provide a living, medical care, and creature comforts for the unfortunate among us, which is to say, all minorities, all who are anything other that the standard ruling class, and everyone who is oppressed, triggered, or microaggressed by the institutional unfairness that is America.  In short, the Hollywood Left has its head up its ass.

(2) Perversely, the Hollywood Left also believes that the average American doesn't understand that it wants this, and needs them to articulate it in ways Joe Sixpack cannot, through the pervasive media and entertainment industry, to help them understand that they want these things, and get everyone working together to accomplish these goals.  In short, the Hollywood Left is a bunch of community organizers on a national scale.

(3) In a great replaying of The Producers, Hollywood may have found a way to make money by losing money.  Performance guarantees, other people's money, tax breaks (especially in California), and creative bookkeeping on a scale that would make a televangelist blush work to ensure that George Clooney gets paid, even if MegaPictures Studios and HugeCo Underwriting lose their shirts.

(4) Hollywood A-listers know they don't deserve what they have and their guilt drives them to Do Something in return.  To Give Back To The Community.  So their efforts championing the cause du jour makes them feel better.  How much of Other People's Money they piss away in the process of Making A Statement doesn't matter.

Or, I could be completely wrong.

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 30, 2016 10:10 AM (iIzG7)

325 314 ARRRRRGH, I hate that! Hubby and I were talking about this in the car just yesterday. Every movie today, with the exception of Oscar bait and some of the really big budget summer tentpoles, are made for teenage girls. That's it. Why? Because teenage girls will go see some dumb grrrrrl power crap six times so long as there's at least one hot guy in it. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 30, 2016 03:09 PM (4df7R) ======================== You see, they actually just have the veneer of being for girls, but they're the same movies that they were making for boys a few years ago. It's the equivalent of the pink handgun.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 10:10 AM (YSdvs)

326 And that, officer, is when the fight started red got devoured by the ravage.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at December 30, 2016 10:10 AM (kTF2Z)

327 Did anyone see that Jesse Owens movie? One of my short people thinks Owens is cool, but I've been afraid Hollywood managed to eff up even that story.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2016 10:11 AM (gTQoY)

328 318 Two of the four Monkees were born on this day, December 30th. Michael Nesmith and the late Davey Jones. Posted by: Soothsayer Pro Elite at December 30, 2016 03:09 PM (LmrWy) The late Davey Jones? When did that happen?

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 30, 2016 10:12 AM (hJrjt)

329 321 good movies this century: Ray Walk the Line Jersey Boys i'm kinda partial to music biopic's if you didn't notice Posted by: Rick in SK at December 30, 2016 03:10 PM (/CIN4) ===================== They all pale in comparison to Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story. Heartfelt and true.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 10:12 AM (YSdvs)

330 Every movie today, with the exception of Oscar bait and some of the really big budget summer tentpoles, are made for teenage girls. That's it. --------- I liked Magnificent 7. You know Chris Pratt and all.

Posted by: SH at December 30, 2016 10:12 AM (gmeXX)

331 Theaters make their money selling popcorn, not tickets. Basically, but the longer a movie is in the theaters, the more money the theater owners get. Its a sliding deal; the first week they make basically nothing then each week after they get a larger cut. Studios prefer in and out fast movies with a huge opening weekend because they make the most money on them. Films that stay in the theaters for weeks are cutting into potential profits from new screens showing their latest one week wonder.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 10:12 AM (39g3+)

332 Mommie porn. Posted by: Ignoramus at December 30, 2016 03:10 PM (SIY7D) did I miss something?

Posted by: Rick in SK at December 30, 2016 10:12 AM (/CIN4)

333 "Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 03:06 PM (YSdvs) "

Same. I think part of it is psychological - I've come out to the theater, so I'm going to watch the movie, not do 100 other things on my phone. People talk about being able to pause at home as a plus, but to me it can be a minus - I'll get distracted and end up pausing and switching to something else, or playing a video game, or, most dastardly of all, posting on the HQ. Since I'm at the theater, the movie is going to play all the way through, whether I'm there or not, so I pay attention.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 30, 2016 10:12 AM (kumBu)

334 If you want a politically charged movie that will elicit no emotion from you because you're completely removed from it, I'd recommend Z.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 03:04 PM (YSdvs)


That was the Costa Gavras film about the assassination of the South American? Greek? politician? (I forgetr...)?

Saw it some years ago. Odd film.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 30, 2016 10:12 AM (sJ2ID)

335 Hollywood A-listers know they don't deserve what they have and their guilt drives them to Do Something in return. To Give Back To The Community. ----------- Never thought if it this way, but I think there is a lot of merit in this argument.

Posted by: SH at December 30, 2016 10:13 AM (gmeXX)

336 >> an't remember who said this but I think it was a head of a studio
>> in the 30s or 40s. If I want to send a message I'll call Western
>> Union.

    That was the legendary Sam Goldwyn, the "G" in MGM. He was famous for his hilarious malapropisms, on a par with Yogi Berra.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 30, 2016 10:13 AM (DW+jj)

337 The Producers could be remade but this time the faux Broadway Play would be Springtime for Trump.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 30, 2016 10:13 AM (hJrjt)

338 You see, they actually just have the veneer of being for girls, but they're the same movies that they were making for boys a few years ago.

It's the equivalent of the pink handgun.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 03:10 PM (YSdvs)



Truth.


For a while as a teen/youth, I would go see my favorite movies multiple times.  I saw "Aladdin" twice, but it really kicked into high gear when I went to see "Speed" four times.  God I love that movie.  <3  My parents just dropped me off at the theater then picked me up afterward.


I stopped the multiple-viewings thing after "Return of the King," which I saw three or four times.  Two Towers I saw two or three times.  Fellowship, though, still holds the record at six times.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth [/i][/u][/s][/b] at December 30, 2016 10:14 AM (4df7R)

339 Did anyone see that Jesse Owens movie? One of my short people thinks Owens is cool, but I've been afraid Hollywood managed to eff up even that story. Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2016 03:11 PM (gTQoY) Yeah. It was fine. Not the greatest movie in the world but not bad ... Worth watching - though you can live very nicely without ever having seen it.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 30, 2016 10:14 AM (zc3Db)

340 We still have 2 drive-ins here in Columbus, I watch 3 movies for the price of one and I bring my own food, but we do buy the popcorn it's not over priced. It's great because we can roll up our windows and talk to each other and our son can scream his head off with out bothering others

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 30, 2016 10:14 AM (dKiJG)

341 328 Heart attack,back in 2012.

Posted by: steevy at December 30, 2016 10:14 AM (r/0kC)

342 Kingsman: The Secret Service does this pretty well. I was very disappointed in that movie. I was hoping for more of a John Steed Avengers type of fare with some good action sequences but it was just all nonsense.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 30, 2016 10:14 AM (493sH)

343 The late Davey Jones? When did that happen? Posted by: Northernlurker Feb 29th, 2012 in Stuart, Florida

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 10:14 AM (O7kBk)

344 The Producers could be remade but this time the faux Broadway Play would be Springtime for Trump. Posted by: Northernlurker at December 30, 2016 03:13 PM (hJrjt) I'ms sure they're working on it already

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 30, 2016 10:15 AM (493sH)

345 "Davey Jones? When did that..."

Says the Canuck who thinks the remake of Lawrence will be all gay...

You lot sure do have a different way of looking at things, up there.

Posted by: Stringer Davis[/i][/b] at December 30, 2016 10:15 AM (H5rtT)

346 Same. I think part of it is psychological - I've come out to the theater, so I'm going to watch the movie, not do 100 other things on my phone. People talk about being able to pause at home as a plus, but to me it can be a minus - I'll get distracted and end up pausing and switching to something else, or playing a video game, or, most dastardly of all, posting on the HQ. Since I'm at the theater, the movie is going to play all the way through, whether I'm there or not, so I pay attention. Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 30, 2016 03:12 PM (kumBu) ==================== Plus, stopping the movie kills the flow of the film. Being in the middle of a chase that's getting your blood pumping and then suddenly pausing it because your wife/daughter/father/whoever needs to go pee and doesn't want to miss anything really kills what the director and editor have been building. For those who don't believe us, go watch that chase at the end of the Bourne Supremacy, pause it after two minutes, and then come back and see if you feel the same after the pause as before.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 10:15 AM (YSdvs)

347 "Posted by: Ignoramus at December 30, 2016 03:10 PM (SIY7D) "

True story: 98% of the budget for Magic Mike 2 was for Kevin Nash's quads.

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 30, 2016 10:15 AM (kumBu)

348 The late Davey Jones? When did that happen? The day after Carrie Fisher died. No, not really. Davy Jones had a massive heart attack about 5 years ago.

Posted by: Soothsayer Pro Elite at December 30, 2016 10:16 AM (LmrWy)

349 You're still getting Ravaged and by that I mean the Raptors, not the happy fun way.
---
/me loads AYA 10 gauge with 3 1/2" 00 buck...

PULL!

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 30, 2016 10:16 AM (QrZtt)

350 We still have 2 drive-ins here in Columbus, I watch 3 movies for the price of one and I bring my own food, but we do buy the popcorn it's not over priced. It's great because we can roll up our windows and talk to each other and our son can scream his head off with out bothering others

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 30, 2016 03:14 PM (dKiJG)


Do you smuggle a bunch of kids in the trunk to avoid paying? 

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 30, 2016 10:16 AM (6QnGR)

351 343 The late Davey Jones? When did that happen? Posted by: Northernlurker Feb 29th, 2012 in Stuart, Florida Posted by: rickb223 at December 30, 2016 03:14 PM (O7kBk) Thanks. Guess I could have googled it but I AM at work.

Posted by: Northernlurker at December 30, 2016 10:16 AM (hJrjt)

352 Yeah. It was fine. Not the greatest movie in the world but not bad ... Worth watching - though you can live very nicely without ever having seen it. ---------- That pretty much sums up just about every movie I watch. And only because I don't watch most movies, so I avoid a lot of the truly dreadful ones.

Posted by: SH at December 30, 2016 10:16 AM (gmeXX)

353 We still have 2 drive-ins here in Columbus, I watch 3 movies for the price of one and I bring my own food, but we do buy the popcorn it's not over priced. We just had one open up in Lewisville, Texas. 5 screens, all digital. Haven't been yet.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 10:16 AM (O7kBk)

354 Posted by: Qoheleth at December 30, 2016 03:10 PM (iIzG7) I think all of those are true to some degree.

Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at December 30, 2016 10:16 AM (mf5HN)

355 337 The Producers could be remade but this time the faux Broadway Play would be Springtime for Trump. Posted by: Northernlurker at December 30, 2016 03:13 PM (hJrjt) ===================== I thought the remake was funny in one way: They made Hitler into a gay joke. It worked pretty well. Almost nothing else in the movie worked, but that was pretty spot on.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 10:16 AM (YSdvs)

356 Insty on repealing Hollywood tax cuts http://tinyurl.com/pdz9djl There used to be a special extra 20 percent excise tax on movie revenues that got adopted after WWII that got killed in the mid-1950s. Insty wants to bring it back to fuck Hollywood liberals. But an industry-specific tax isn't fair, yes?

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 30, 2016 10:16 AM (SIY7D)

357 "Being in the middle of a chase that's getting your blood pumping and then suddenly pausing it because your wife/daughter/father/whoever needs to go pee and doesn't want to miss anything really kills what the director and editor have been building."

The Pause That Refreshes.

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 30, 2016 10:16 AM (iIzG7)

358 Davy Jones is dead?

Posted by: Soothsayer Pro Elite at December 30, 2016 10:16 AM (LmrWy)

359 good movies this century: Ray Walk the Line Jersey Boys Ray and Walk the Line were absolutely awful. It's amazing that one can make shitty, boring movies based on great music (as music so often makes a movie far beyond any of the actual dialogue or cinematography or acting) but those two movies were just the worst, in my book. Dreadful. Jersey Boys was okay ... enjoyed watching it once but that's about as far as that goes.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 30, 2016 10:16 AM (zc3Db)

360 Hollywood is saturated with grrrrl movies and movies that involve demonic possession.

Posted by: Pepe at December 30, 2016 10:17 AM (HJEuH)

361 One of my favorite movie moments this year was the outside shot of Ironforge from "Warcraft," because it was so totally, 100% Ironforge.


Yes, I'm a huge geek.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth [/i][/u][/s][/b] at December 30, 2016 10:17 AM (4df7R)

362 James Madison - you would not like watching a movie with me. Lots of pauses to make snarky comments, pea, grab a beer, etc.

Posted by: SH at December 30, 2016 10:17 AM (gmeXX)

363 Ok that lil chompers ad in the sidebar is creepin me.

Posted by: eleven at December 30, 2016 10:17 AM (qUNWi)

364 342 I was very disappointed in that movie. I was hoping for more of a John Steed Avengers type of fare with some good action sequences but it was just all nonsense. Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 30, 2016 03:14 PM (493sH) ===================== May I politely show you the door? For, Manners. Maketh. Man. Boom. Mic drop.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 10:17 AM (YSdvs)

365 @340 Yeah, Ohio's the center of the drive-in universe, but newer cars are all hot-wired and shit, and if you turn on the ignition for the sound system, you can't turn the headlights off, and the guy with the flashlight comes around.

Too-smart cars are going to be the death of a lot of automotive experiences.

Posted by: Stringer Davis[/i][/b] at December 30, 2016 10:17 AM (H5rtT)

366 Famous "Goldwynisms":

  A verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's written on.

  Gentlemen, include me out!

  That's the trouble with directors, always biting the hand that lays the golden egg,

   I don't want yes-men around. I want people to tell me the truth even if it costs them their jobs.

  Give me a couple of years, and I'll make her an overnight success.

----

  There are millions of these.

Posted by: publius (not Breitbart publius) at December 30, 2016 10:17 AM (DW+jj)

367 /me loads AYA 10 gauge with 3 1/2" 00 buck... PULL! Posted by: redc1c4 at December 30, 2016 03:16 PM (QrZtt) Awwww isn't it sweet of you to give Ripper scritches like that?

Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at December 30, 2016 10:18 AM (mf5HN)

368 Davy Jones is dead? Posted by: Soothsayer Pro Elite at December 30, 2016 03:16 PM (LmrWy) Tragic accident. He was run over by the Last Train to Clarksville

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 30, 2016 10:18 AM (493sH)

369 i didn't know they made yoga pants that big... Posted by: redc1c4 at December 30, 2016 02:57 PM (QrZtt) ................ They're yoga muu-muus h8tr.

Posted by: hILLRY o O at December 30, 2016 10:18 AM (HgMAr)

370 347 "Posted by: Ignoramus at December 30, 2016 03:10 PM (SIY7D) " True story: 98% of the budget for Magic Mike 2 was for Kevin Nash's quads. Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 30, 2016 03:15 PM (kumBu) LMFAO!!

Posted by: Pepe at December 30, 2016 10:18 AM (HJEuH)

371 Davy Jones is dead? As a locker.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 10:18 AM (O7kBk)

372 The Archies were nothing without Davy Jones.

Posted by: Soothsayer Pro Elite at December 30, 2016 10:19 AM (LmrWy)

373 Ray and Walk the Line were absolutely awful. It's amazing that one can make shitty, boring movies based on great music (as music so often makes a movie far beyond any of the actual dialogue or cinematography or acting) but those two movies were just the worst, in my book. Dreadful. Jersey Boys was okay ... enjoyed watching it once but that's about as far as that goes. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 30, 2016 03:16 PM (zc3Db) -------------- I guess I should qualify, I like them for the music, not for the acting, kinda like why one watches porn, or so I have been told.....

Posted by: Rick in SK at December 30, 2016 10:19 AM (/CIN4)

374 Tragic accident. He was run over by the Last Train to Clarksville --------- Well, now I'm a believer.

Posted by: SH at December 30, 2016 10:19 AM (gmeXX)

375 362 James Madison - you would not like watching a movie with me. Lots of pauses to make snarky comments, pea, grab a beer, etc. Posted by: SH at December 30, 2016 03:17 PM (gmeXX) ===================== Depends on the movie and whether I've seen it or not. If we're stopping The Thin Red Line so you can make snark, I'd probably slug you. If we're watching 2012, I'd join you and we'd have a ball.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 10:20 AM (YSdvs)

376 Syfy offers up a few shows that are not liberal and good to watch. Z Nation is a comedic-ish take on zombies. Dark Matter and Killjoys were decent enough Firefly rip offs. Aftermath is a kinda sorta left behindish post apocalypse series.

Posted by: blaster at December 30, 2016 10:20 AM (WoyGL)

377 - you would not like watching a movie with me. Lots of pauses to make snarky comments, pea, grab a beer, etc. Posted by: SH Heh. I describe watching a movie with No. 2 Son as "pretend watching" because each of us always needs to hit pause for a snark, an observation, a trivium, or a distraction. We're lucky to see 20 minutes of a movie in a 2 hour sitting.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at December 30, 2016 10:21 AM (mgbwf)

378 I may have to go see Alien Covenant after watching the preview. It looks very good and terrifying in the original spirit of Alien.

Posted by: Pepe at December 30, 2016 10:21 AM (HJEuH)

379 what Hollywood pedo stuff? in California now, you can't arrest people for engaging in underage "sex work". which means pedo stuff is legal there.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at December 30, 2016 10:21 AM (1AoVY)

380 Nailed it. Not only does it alienate over (oh say 70%) of the population on guns. The 30% left need to get off the couch and down to the theater and spend time and money to get entertainment that is available in heaps and bunches else ware for "free". If I go to a movie it is to be entertained and escape for a couple hours. I can get political red meat in a million other places and I am a conservative white deplorable; not a prog catered to by msmedia. Why would a prog go out of xim or xer's way to get political red meat.

Posted by: USNtakim at December 30, 2016 10:21 AM (hMqvx)

381 >>Yeah. It was fine. Not the greatest movie in the world but not bad ... Worth watching - though you can live very nicely without ever having seen it. Thank you!

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2016 10:21 AM (gTQoY)

382 I watch porn for the cinematography.

Posted by: eleven at December 30, 2016 10:21 AM (qUNWi)

383 I was hoping for more of a John Steed Avengers type of fare with some good action sequences but it was just all nonsense. I wonder sometimes if people even remember how weird and silly the Avengers often were or if its just Childhood memories and they haven't seen the show for a long time. Hint: that bizarre LSD-influenced feature film wasn't far off.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 10:21 AM (39g3+)

384 Famous "Goldwynisms": Sounds like he ripped off the Horde.....

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 10:21 AM (O7kBk)

385 Here's my theory, Ace, about flop commie flicks: Hollywood has been taken over by leftists. Period. If they had their druthers, EVERY movie would be socialist tripe. But the problem is, they know that such movies are generally unpopular, and don't make a profit. Even so, the goal is to make as many of these movies as possible. That is the ultimate end-point purpose - -to pump out propaganda. But since the propaganda itself isn't financially self-supporting, thy movie to make these "films" has to come from SOMEWHERE. But where? Well, gee, we already have this whole studio setup to make a product -- movies. So let's do this: Let's make good, entertaining (but not propagandistic) old-timey blockbusters, profit $400 million or so form each one, and then take that money and squander it making 20 commie flops. The leftists in change don't LIKE these profitable blockbusters. They hate them. But they are necessary to generate the funds to make the unwatchable propaganda reels. So the blockbusters we see every year are like the studio's "day job" to fund their "true passion." Of course, they have to pretend to be proud of the blockbusters to promote them -- they can't admit "We're only releasing Superman XII to earn enough money the produce 'America: Land of White Demons.' " But that's what's really happening.

Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2016 10:21 AM (jBuUi)

386 That sidebar photo of "Baby Gary Busey" with the baby dentures is the funniest thing I have ever seen in my life. The photo was funny, but the Gary Busey line cinched it. I laughed for five minutes.

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 30, 2016 10:21 AM (4AVeu)

387 "Being in the middle of a chase that's getting your blood pumping and
then suddenly pausing it because your wife/daughter/father/whoever needs
to go pee and doesn't want to miss anything really kills what the
director and editor have been building





This is something that drives me nuts when I watch a movie with my mom.  It can be a movie we've seen twenty times and she'll still want to pause when she   needs to use the bathroom.   Even if we don't pause it she'll always ask, "What'd I miss?"



"Mom, it's A Muppet Christmas Carol.   We watch it every Christmas.  It's based on a 19th century Dickens book. WHAT DON'T YOU REMEMBER?"







Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth [/i][/u][/s][/b] at December 30, 2016 10:21 AM (4df7R)

388 Our son is still Free if we go to the Drive-In. If you haven't seen it DREDD I also like TRAIN TO BUSAN the Korean Zombie movie.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 30, 2016 10:22 AM (dKiJG)

389 #298

Another good Chuck Heston period piece is 'The Warlord' which rarely gets shown
=========

A great film, too.  "El Cid" doesn't get play, I suspect, because it puts a certain religion in a pretty bad light, even though individual Muslims potentates are often portrayed sympathetically in the film.  Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar merced for Muslim lords on occasion.

But, "Andalusia"  and the Reconquista are controversial words in the waning days of 2016.

Posted by: mrp at December 30, 2016 10:22 AM (JBggj)

390 thy movie to make these "films" = the money to make these "films"

Posted by: zombie at December 30, 2016 10:22 AM (jBuUi)

391 Do you smuggle a bunch of kids in the trunk to avoid paying? Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 30, 2016 03:16 PM (6QnGR) Yes.

Posted by: Harry Reid at December 30, 2016 10:23 AM (OzJeO)

392 378 I may have to go see Alien Covenant after watching the preview. It looks very good and terrifying in the original spirit of Alien. Posted by: Pepe at December 30, 2016 03:21 PM (HJEuH) ===================== Check this out. http://tinyurl.com/hczs2tt

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 10:23 AM (paHBV)

393 Aftermath is a kinda sorta left behindish post apocalypse series. Posted by: blaster at December 30, 2016 03:20 PM (WoyGL) I love that Aftermath is all fuck it we're just lobbing All The Things into the show because why not. Actually Aftermath is extraordinarily pro gun. One of my favorite bits is when the one girl who is all no no no I will never shoot anyone finally does to protect her brother and then other people with bigger guns show up and tell her to hand it over she says "No! Do you know what it took for me to pick this up!"

Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at December 30, 2016 10:23 AM (mf5HN)

394 358 Davy Jones is dead? Posted by: Soothsayer Pro Elite at December 30, 2016 03:16 PM (LmrWy) Aye lad. He's gone to join his locker.

Posted by: Old Sea Salt at December 30, 2016 10:23 AM (MwiFE)

395 May I politely show you the door? For, Manners. Maketh. Man. Boom. Mic drop. Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 03:17 PM (YSdvs) There wasn't enough of that. It was too much of the punk kid. If the story was about schooling the shit to be proper it would have been much better at least for me.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 30, 2016 10:23 AM (493sH)

396 "you would not like watching a movie with me. Lots of pauses to make snarky comments, pea, grab a beer, etc.

In my living room, you're free to make like MST3K with the snarky commentary.  If I'm paying $14 a seat in the theater (not counting concessions), you WILL shut the hell up.

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 30, 2016 10:24 AM (iIzG7)

397 I watch porn for the cinematography. ............. For me it's all about the music.

Posted by: wth at December 30, 2016 10:24 AM (HgMAr)

398 387 "Mom, it's A Muppet Christmas Carol. We watch it every Christmas. It's based on a 19th century Dickens book. WHAT DON'T YOU REMEMBER?" Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 30, 2016 03:21 PM (4df7R) ====================== My wife insists (*INSISTS*) on watching that at least 3 times a year. I'm very sick of it.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 10:24 AM (paHBV)

399 Awwww isn't it sweet of you to give Ripper scritches like that?
---
/me loads AYA 10 gauge with 3 1/2" APFSDS...

how does he feel about DU?

Posted by: redc1c4 at December 30, 2016 10:24 AM (QrZtt)

400 Haha, Milo made Number 1 on the Amazon's best sellers list.

Posted by: buzzion at December 30, 2016 10:25 AM (z/Ubi)

401 Ray really annoyed me because there was enough in the the guy's life to make a great movie, and they were fixated on the need to focus on drug use and that bizarre "my brother drown" subplot which probably was basically nothing in his actual life. So frustrating.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at December 30, 2016 10:25 AM (39g3+)

402 302 I am the most reluctant movie goer. The sound systems are dialed up way too high, I just about jump out of my seat, and it hurts my ears. Puts me in a bad mood right off the bat. The movie better be damned good for me to even consider going. Posted by: washrivergal at December 30, 2016 03:06 PM (CFc5L) Take the range earmuffs.

Posted by: Headless Body of Agnew at December 30, 2016 10:25 AM (FtrY1)

403 In my living room, you're free to make like MST3K with the snarky commentary. If I'm paying $14 a seat in the theater (not counting concessions), you WILL shut the hell up. ---------- If I wasn't clear, I was only referring to watching movies in my living room with me at the control.

Posted by: SH at December 30, 2016 10:25 AM (gmeXX)

404 Honestly, I have to rewind movies a lot because I cannot hear the dialogue. I have to turn the movie up to hear it, then turn it back down before all the too loud stuff.

Posted by: SH at December 30, 2016 10:26 AM (gmeXX)

405 I watch porn for the cinematography. ............. For me it's all about the music. Architecture. Without a doubt.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at December 30, 2016 10:26 AM (O7kBk)

406 "Basically, but the longer a movie is in the theaters, the more money the theater owners get." Week by week, the theaters get a bigger cut of a shrinking pie -- because few movies have legs past the first couple of weeks. If the theater didn't get a bigger percentage, they'd drop the movie for another. Theaters wants asses in seats to sell popcorn to.

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 30, 2016 10:26 AM (SIY7D)

407 Another good Chuck Heston period piece is 'The Warlord' which rarely gets shown Heston did a great job in Khartoum ... which does get shown on TCM. Really good movie.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 30, 2016 10:27 AM (zc3Db)

408 Sorry I overlooked that, SH.  What's showing tonight, and what kind of pizza do you want me to bring?

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 30, 2016 10:27 AM (iIzG7)

409 OT, nice to see that (apparently) Trump's inauguration will be scaled back, a more modest affair. His inaugural committee people even claim, in interviews, that one reason for this is Trump's desire to dive right into his job. Several of us here mused on precisely these lines a while back. Apparently - apparently - our wishes are coming true. Still hoping for shock and awe in the first few days. Somehow, the lack of "celebrity" entertainment on Jan. 20, by people I've largely never heard of, doesn't concern me.

Posted by: rhomboid at December 30, 2016 10:27 AM (QDnY+)

410

 

But an industry-specific tax isn't fair, yes?

Posted by: Ignoramus at December 30, 2016 03:16 PM (SIY7D)

 

 

Really?

Posted by: Philip Morris at December 30, 2016 10:27 AM (lKyWE)

411 "Mom, it's A Muppet Christmas Carol. We watch it every Christmas. It's based on a 19th century Dickens book. WHAT DON'T YOU REMEMBER?" Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 30, 2016 03:21 PM (4df7R) I always forget about the volcano scene.

Posted by: buzzion at December 30, 2016 10:27 AM (z/Ubi)

412 400 Haha, Milo made Number 1 on the Amazon's best sellers list.

Posted by: buzzion at December 30, 2016 03:25 PM (z/Ubi)

++++

He pissed on it?

Posted by: Anon Y. Mous at December 30, 2016 10:28 AM (R+30W)

413 In my living room, you're free to make like MST3K with the snarky commentary. If I'm paying $14 a seat in the theater (not counting concessions), you WILL shut the hell up.

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 30, 2016 03:24 PM (iIzG7)



The hubby and I cannot watch a movie at home w/o  riffing  like Crow and Servo every five minutes.  It's to the point that we apologize to each other before we even hit play because we KNOW we aren't going to be able to actually watch and enjoy the movie   on its own merits.  



That's actually one of the reasons we both can't wait to see "John Wick 2."  We watched the first one on a whim, fully expecting to do our usual commentary, but ended up sucked into it so much that we actually shut up and WATCHED it.  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth [/i][/u][/s][/b] at December 30, 2016 10:28 AM (4df7R)

414 The reason these films flop is because they preach to us lowly unwashed masses. The problem is the news shows, television shows, politicians, teachers, professors, actors, activists and advertisements already preach down to us 24 hours a day. Why would we pay good money to be scolded when we get it for free every day?

Posted by: Adirondack Patriot at December 30, 2016 10:28 AM (4AVeu)

415 @403 When my kid was a tot, we used to watch MST3K and smart-ass on the smart-assin'. One skill every American father has a duty to pass on is the ability to skewer. Over the centuries, it has served us well in war and peace. 

Posted by: Stringer Davis[/i][/b] at December 30, 2016 10:28 AM (H5rtT)

416 n00d fake Hate

Posted by: buzzion at December 30, 2016 10:28 AM (z/Ubi)

417 nood fake news

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at December 30, 2016 10:28 AM (ul9CR)

418 is it a fake nood?

Posted by: SH at December 30, 2016 10:29 AM (gmeXX)

419 That's actually one of the reasons we both can't wait to see "John Wick 2." We watched the first one on a whim, fully expecting to do our usual commentary, but ended up sucked into it so much that we actually shut up and WATCHED it. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 30, 2016 03:28 PM (4df7R) SO HELP ME THAT DOGLET BETTER BE IMMORTAL OR I WILL SOMETHING SOMETHING ALL OVER THE PLACE.

Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at December 30, 2016 10:29 AM (mf5HN)

420 Honestly, I have to rewind movies a lot because I cannot hear the dialogue. I have to turn the movie up to hear it, then turn it back down before all the too loud stuff. Posted by: SH at December 30, 2016 03:26 PM (gmeXX) Yep. Big annoyance.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at December 30, 2016 10:29 AM (zc3Db)

421 With a good MST3K-style riff, you shouldn't need to pause - you just fit the joke into the flow of the movie.

Of course, that's why it works best with shit movies - who cares if you interrupted five seconds of gripping "Space Mutiny" dialogue to give Reb Brown another hilarious name.

"We put our faith in Blast Hardcheese!"

Posted by: broseidon king of the brocean at December 30, 2016 10:30 AM (kumBu)

422 Amazon Prime is streaming RiffTraxx which is MST3K.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 30, 2016 10:30 AM (dKiJG)

423 392 378 I may have to go see Alien Covenant after watching the preview. It looks very good and terrifying in the original spirit of Alien. Posted by: Pepe at December 30, 2016 03:21 PM (HJEuH) ===================== Check this out. http://tinyurl.com/hczs2tt Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 03:23 PM (paHBV) Yep still looks terrifying. This film will bring Ripley and company in search of them in Alien. I saw Prometheus in the theaters and had zero clue it was an Alien Prequel so I was not disappointed because the twist was not spoiled. But this preview makes it clear that this will be the final Alien having the stry arc come full circle. It looks awesome.

Posted by: Pepe at December 30, 2016 10:30 AM (HJEuH)

424 That's actually one of the reasons we both can't wait to see "John Wick 2." We watched the first one on a whim, fully expecting to do our usual commentary, but ended up sucked into it so much that we actually shut up and WATCHED it. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at Really? I watched it while talking on the phone with a girl who was also watching it. (She's watched it 4,237 times). For all the snark and commenting I don't remember anything about it except there was a dog for a little while.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at December 30, 2016 10:30 AM (mgbwf)

425 I watch porn for the cinematography.
For me it's all about the music.
Architecture. Without a doubt.

I cannot lie. With my background in choreography...

Posted by: Stringer Davis[/i][/b] at December 30, 2016 10:30 AM (H5rtT)

426 423 Yep still looks terrifying. This film will bring Ripley and company in search of them in Alien. I saw Prometheus in the theaters and had zero clue it was an Alien Prequel so I was not disappointed because the twist was not spoiled. But this preview makes it clear that this will be the final Alien having the stry arc come full circle. It looks awesome. Posted by: Pepe at December 30, 2016 03:30 PM (HJEuH) =================== Just sharing. I love Ridley Scott.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 10:31 AM (paHBV)

427
SO HELP ME THAT DOGLET BETTER BE IMMORTAL OR I WILL SOMETHING SOMETHING ALL OVER THE PLACE.

Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at December 30, 2016 03:29 PM (mf5HN)



lol!


I don't think we have to worry about the dog this time around.  That would be too obvious; been there, done that.


His CAR, on the other hand...



Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth [/i][/u][/s][/b] at December 30, 2016 10:31 AM (4df7R)

428 "That's actually one of the reasons we both can't wait to see "John Wick 2." We watched the first one on a whim, fully expecting to do our usual commentary, but ended up sucked into it so much that we actually shut up and WATCHED it."

By the fourth time Mrs. Q and I watched John Wick, our running commentary was keeping track of the body count.  I think we always lose count somewhere in the thirties.  Lots of head shots, and one really impressive broken neck.

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 30, 2016 10:32 AM (iIzG7)

429 The puppy made John Wick a chick-flick.

Are you learning, Hollywood?

Posted by: Stringer Davis[/i][/b] at December 30, 2016 10:33 AM (H5rtT)

430 Khartoum Is really good and the bad guy is supposed to be Muhammad reincarnated so this movie couldn't get made today.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 30, 2016 10:33 AM (dKiJG)

431 For all the snark and commenting I don't remember anything about it except there was a dog for a little while. Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at December 30, 2016 03:30 PM (mgbwf) ALL OF THE SHIN KICKING ALL OF IT

Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at December 30, 2016 10:33 AM (mf5HN)

432 "The puppy made John Wick a chick-flick."

The puppy made John Wick into serial justifiable homicide.  Well, that and the Mustang.  There are lines you just don't cross.

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 30, 2016 10:34 AM (iIzG7)

433 For all the snark and commenting I don't remember anything about it except there was a dog for a little while.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, gentleman cad at December 30, 2016 03:30 PM (mgbwf)



I heard you struck my son.

Yes, sir, I did.
May I ask why?
Because he stole John Wick's car, sir, and killed his dog.
[pause] Oh.



Best. Conversation. EVER.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth [/i][/u][/s][/b] at December 30, 2016 10:34 AM (4df7R)

434 Mark my words!  My upcoming "Barbie" movie will be a blockbuster!!  Little girls will finally realize that real beauty is on the *INSIDE*...

...of my cooch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tOa9W62Oxk

Posted by: Amy Schumer at December 30, 2016 10:35 AM (jV8Mq)

435 404 Honestly, I have to rewind movies a lot because I cannot hear the dialogue. I have to turn the movie up to hear it, then turn it back down before all the too loud stuff.

Posted by: SH at December 30, 2016 03:26 PM (gmeXX)


I should introduce you to Mrs. Muse.

Posted by: OregonMuse, deplorable since 2004 at December 30, 2016 10:36 AM (6QnGR)

436 I saw him kill three men with a PENCIL, a Pencil. great movie.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at December 30, 2016 10:36 AM (dKiJG)

437 Best. Conversation. EVER. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 30, 2016 03:34 PM (4df7R) "What did he say?" "Enough"

Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at December 30, 2016 10:38 AM (mf5HN)

438 I look forward to the day when the Moron Horde quotes from Deadpool as readily as from John Wick.  That will make for some interesting exchanges.

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 30, 2016 10:40 AM (iIzG7)

439 "What did he say?"

"Enough"

Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at December 30, 2016 03:38 PM (mf5HN)



He wasn't the boogeyman.  He's the one you sent to kill the f*cking boogeyman.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth [/i][/u][/s][/b] at December 30, 2016 10:40 AM (4df7R)

440 He wasn't the boogeyman. He's the one you sent to kill the f*cking boogeyman. Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth at December 30, 2016 03:40 PM (4df7R) "It was over a woman of course."

Posted by: alexthechick - Darth Victory Tits at December 30, 2016 10:43 AM (mf5HN)

441 John Wick: "How good's your laundry?"

Charon: "No one's that good."

John Wick: "I thought not."

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 30, 2016 10:43 AM (iIzG7)

442 438 I look forward to the day when the Moron Horde quotes from Deadpool as readily as from John Wick. That will make for some interesting exchanges.

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 30, 2016 03:40 PM (iIzG7)



You're about to be killed (hysterical laughter) by a ZAMBONI!

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth [/i][/u][/s][/b] at December 30, 2016 10:43 AM (4df7R)

443 "I never say this... but don't swallow!"

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 30, 2016 10:45 AM (iIzG7)

444 441 John Wick: "How good's your laundry?"

Charon: "No one's that good."

John Wick: "I thought not."

Posted by: Qoheleth at December 30, 2016 03:43 PM (iIzG7)



Evening, John.


Evening, Jimmy.  Noise complaint?


Noise complaint.  *glances around him* You, uh... working again?


Just sorting stuff out.


Ah.  I'll leave you be then.   Good night, John.


Good night, Jimmy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth [/i][/u][/s][/b] at December 30, 2016 10:46 AM (4df7R)

445 young leftists are incredibly cheap. they want/expect everything to be free. and going out to the movies costs 20 bucks a person, when you figure a box of candy and/or popcorn plus a drink. they'd rather just sit at home and stream (for free) some leftist tripe on their iphones.

Posted by: KHAN's Other Wife at December 30, 2016 10:48 AM (taXZ8)

446 But was Jessica Chastain naked???

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at December 30, 2016 10:50 AM (UpGcq)

447 Thanks very much, #294. Just wish I could get to my site right now. I left the Episcopal Organization in 2003, BTW.

Posted by: Christopher Johnson at December 30, 2016 10:54 AM (iBt4g)

448 But Hawt Chicks with Guns do sell more movie tickets than this dreck. ___ Why hello there!

Posted by: Sucker Punch at December 30, 2016 10:59 AM (aZq03)

449 The barca-lounger theaters are great for me, being tall-ish. Used to sit in the back row or on the aisle so I had enough leg room. The re-furbished theater we go to makes almost any seat (save the two front rows) a great experience for us. And there is enough space that someone walking past you to get to their seat doesn't require some yoga contortions.

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at December 30, 2016 11:00 AM (di1hb)

450 Honestly, I have to rewind movies a lot because I cannot hear the dialogue. I have to turn the movie up to hear it, then turn it back down before all the too loud stuff. *** It cracks me up when they whisper in movies because in the scene the characters are supposed to whisper. I get that you want realism. But there isn't a theater full of people eating popcorn trying to listen to you in the "real world of the movie" either...

Posted by: 18-1 at December 30, 2016 11:01 AM (aZq03)

451 448 Why hello there! Posted by: Sucker Punch at December 30, 2016 03:59 PM (aZq03) =================== "Who?" -General Movie Going Public

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at December 30, 2016 11:11 AM (paHBV)

452 Well, there might be a bit more to it. The people who would pay for progsploitation are unemployed or underemployed. They can't afford it. The older ones, hippies, yippies, or such, don't believe their own drivel, and certainly aren't going to pay to see their own bullshit. They aren't in it to win, they are in it for all of us to fail. Lucifer doesn't buy sin, he only sells is. Those types are like that. As for making a dime? They just use what they make on their hits to cover for these. H-wood is a full on propaganda org at this point. They really aren't in it for the money. They have to make some pseudo reasonable hits, at least, in their minds, until our or some other government takes over. I think they think China is their sugar mamma, but I... think they have another thing coming. China, their loverly communist/socialist/fascism... or whatever it is going by today, is downright bottom line all the way. No "soul"... or really soullessness to them. They want cold hard, you can keep the bullshit. You would think they would understand the governments they support, but... no. Which is why they often get lined up and shot along with everyone they hate and wanted shot. The show must go on!

Posted by: Doom at December 30, 2016 11:16 AM (uufFZ)

453 Ditched movie channels and theaters years ago. I own about 360 DVDs. Of the movies made in the last 20 years, I think I own 3, Gladiator, There will be blood and As good as it gets. When the world gets too much, I pop in Random Harvest and grab a single malt

Posted by: nsirchov at December 30, 2016 11:18 AM (ReHkX)

454 No shitsky. I finally had enough of my beloved Bones when an episode centered on an evil right wing radio host (plus the FBI character driving a massive rice grinder that can't be purchased or driven in Japan always rubbed me the wrong way), and I ditched Good Wife when the weekly left wing talking points weren't enough for series co-lead Peter Noth. The Minister of Finance and myself used to hit the cinema almost weekly until the George W. Bush presidency. We will not support individuals who publicly insult and despise us.

Posted by: Anna Mac at December 30, 2016 11:23 AM (xujfC)

455 Movies offer nothing new. Good point.

Posted by: Muns at December 30, 2016 11:25 AM (fO+6C)

456 Two words: American Sniper. I still get a nice warm feeling when I think back to how Clint's film single-handedly made more than all the smug lefty competition put together. They gave themselves Oscars for films nobody saw that year. Clint gave them all the middle finger and put asses in seats.

Posted by: Dave in San Diego at December 30, 2016 11:40 AM (INOor)

457 why do expensive "progressive" movies crater at the box office? Well it could be that most of those deplorable people still have functioning bullshit detectors.

Posted by: Skeptical Voter at December 30, 2016 12:48 PM (Sda6L)

458 Just fyi, technicolor was supposed to be the new way Americans spelled 'color'.  It was designed to 'one-up' the Brits who spelled color with a u (colour) to act all pompous.  It didn't work as well as hoped.

Other words of that type that failed were technihonor, and technialuminum.

Posted by: Kevin at December 30, 2016 01:52 PM (XqoIq)

459 My aunt, raging liberal that she is, was one of the few who saw this movie. Of course, she loved it.

Posted by: Dr Alice at December 30, 2016 02:36 PM (LaT54)

460 Technicolor is a Hollywood film process to get color images on the screen. We take color for granted. In the early part of the 20th Century, it was very difficult.

The Technicolor process involved shooting the movie with a camera that had three strips of 35mm black and white film running through the camera at the same time. The image coming through the lens entered a prism block and was separated into three identical images. Each image passed through either a red, blue or green filter before exposing the B&W film.

The three strips of B&W thus recorded the Red, Green and Blue records of the image. These three strips were then printed onto a release print much like a paper color print is made via offset printing using CYMK inks.

Technicolor was a big deal. Very complex but produced beautiful projected color.

Posted by: Dan at December 30, 2016 04:20 PM (Nmvf6)

461 "It's not that there aren't progressives who don't want progsploitation factutainment -- it's that this market is so damn well served by tv (is there anything else even on TV?)" no there isn't, even sports isn't free of it. I hear some of the talking heads saying that they need to understand middle America better, but it's b.s. how do I know? because when they really mean it, TV will change, I and many others will quickly notice that change. that change has not and is not and shows no signs of occuring

Posted by: Shoey at December 30, 2016 05:43 PM (OYK2S)

462 "It's not that there is no interest in progsploitation. It's that the market is already saturated with progsploitation material -- on television." This also is why leftist talk radio has failed: there are so many outlets for leftist propaganda, leftist radio talk jocks offer nothing that already can't be found on TV, movies, newspapers, magazines, concerts, lecture halls, etc.

Posted by: Jeff Powell at December 30, 2016 08:15 PM (iV7/h)

463 It's not that there aren't progressives who don't want progsploitation factutainment -- it's that this market is so damn well served by tv (is there anything else even on TV?) that no one's going to buy a ticket to see the cow when TV will show them all the milk they could ever want to see. I had to stay in hotels for a week or so over Christmas. Haven't watched broadcast television since the last time I was in a hotel... maybe three years ago. Family stuff was over, there wasn't anything to do before bed time, so I flipped around the dial (kids, that's a round thing we used to... never mind. Look it up) Not a single channel was broadcasting a scripted (or "reality") show aimed at me, Generic Conservative Man. It was all fare you'd expect a middle aged, white, mildly-progressive woman to watch with a glass of sweet white wine. They're so focused on that demographic (which must be, what, 20% of the country?) nothing else matters.

Posted by: Ace's liver at December 31, 2016 02:05 PM (+azJs)

464 I hope Ace gets a job helping Trump with his insight. Damn, firing on all cylinders!

Posted by: Joe Mack at January 01, 2017 06:01 AM (mL2BD)

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