September 29, 2014

White House Fence Jumper Made It Into the East Room; 2011 Shooting Incident Downplayed by Secret Service Revealed to Have Been More Serious Than Claimed
— Ace

This story broke Saturday night, I think.

This 2011 incident was -- well, let me say, as non-provocatively as possible, not reported accurately to the public.

In 2011, a gunman fired a rifle at the White House (when Obama was not present, but members of his family were). Seven bullets hit the White House.

Do you remember reading about that?

Well, if not, there's a reason for that.


A bullet smashed a window on the second floor, just steps from the first family’s formal living room. Another lodged in a window frame, and more pinged off the roof, sending bits of wood and concrete to the ground....

Then came an order that surprised some of the officers. "No shots have been fired. . . . Stand down," a supervisor called over his radio. He said the noise was the backfire from a nearby construction vehicle.

...

By the end of that Friday night, the agency had confirmed a shooting had occurred but wrongly insisted the gunfire was never aimed at the White House. Instead, Secret Service supervisors theorized, gang members in separate cars got in a gunfight near the White House’s front lawn -- an unlikely scenario in a relatively quiet, touristy part of the nation’s capital.

It took the Secret Service four days to realize that shots had hit the White House residence, a discovery that came about only because a housekeeper noticed broken glass and a chunk of cement on the floor.

It's an important article, with some real reporting going on (for a change).

On the heels of that comes another story in which the Secret Service seems to have seriously downplayed how far an attacker penetrated White House grounds.

Spoiler Alert: The East Room.

The man who jumped the White House fence this month and sprinted through the front door made it much farther into the building than previously known, overpowering one Secret Service officer and running through much of the main floor, according to three people familiar with the incident.

An alarm box near the front entrance of the White House designed to alert guards to an intruder had been muted at what officers believed was a request of the usher's office, said a Secret Service official who spoke on the condition of anonymity.

The officer posted inside the front door appeared to be delayed in learning that the intruder, Omar Gonzalez, was about to burst through. Officers are trained that, upon learning of an intruder on the grounds, often through the alarm boxes posted around the property, they must immediately lock the front door.

After barreling past the guard immediately inside the door, Gonzalez, who was carrying a knife, dashed past the stairway leading a half-flight up to the first family’s living quarters. He then ran into the 80-foot-long East Room, an ornate space often used for receptions or presidential addresses.

I sort of understand the reason for, um, less than accurate public reports here. The Secret Service is a security and intelligence outfit. Intelligence outfits generally conceal their successes, and their failures, and especially how they succeeded and how they failed.

This is the "methods" part of intelligence which spooks always claim is highest-level tippy-toppiest top secret. Letting your enemies know how you respond when probed or attacked gives your enemies far too much information about how to probe or attack you in the future.

I doubt this is a genuine "political" scandal, because I'm thinking Obama's political interests lay with overselling the danger here, not underselling it. I imagine, to the extent he blessed the Secret Service's course of action of underplaying these threats, he did so for reasons of concern about his personal safety and that of his family, and not due to any political advantage.

I imagine the Secret Service will be likely given the "methods" pass on this as well -- they do have, I think, a plausible case to make about why they choose to conceal/downplay attacks which are semi-successful (in that they result in far too deep a penetration for comfort).

However, on this last point, it's useful to point out something about human nature.

When one has a failure -- an embarrassment -- one has personal, selfish reasons to conceal that.

But people are very good about making up stories for their own consumption about how The Greater Good actually requires the same thing that their personal good requires (here, downplaying the incidents and concealing the Secret Service's failure).

And if someone in the Secret Service found these lapses embarrassing, I think it's entirely plausible that such a person might have made a good case to himself that the best course of action was to conceal the embarrassing lapse -- for the sake of the President's security, you understand.

Not out of any grubby desire to hide the embarrassing lapse.

I'm not saying that's what did happen * -- I'm just saying that when personal advantage can be argued to align with ethical imperative, people are very eager to believe such arguments, and convince themselves that they're right.

People tend to be very willing to agree with their own interests. We're all pretty great at that.

That said, I don't expect these stories to go anywhere. The Secret Service does have a facially-plausible reason for downplaying these stories -- "We don't wish to give future attackers an insight into our response and the gaps in our security" -- and that will probably be enough to shut people up.

It's enough to shut me up, personally, and I'm a loudmouth.

I just hope that they're right about that being the actual best course of action, and they're not letting a desire to conceal their mistakes color their judgment.


* Intelligence services are prone to repeated mistakes because they always have an easy out: "Shut up and stop asking questions, because asking questions will compromise security."

But sometimes that sort of mindset precludes the sort of criticism and motivated response required to cure the original defect.

And so sometimes the cover-up results in a new crime -- or a new failure.

I'm sure that most of the time the CIA says "We're not answering that because it would compromise security," that is true, most of the time.

However, I'm equally sure that when the CIA is probed about a lapse in judgment, and it says, again, "We're not answering that because it would compromise security," that is false, a lot of the time.

Hmmm... wheatie has an interesting claim.

I know nothing at all about White House security, except from what I see on 24. (Best way to smuggle a bomb into the White House: recruit the Vice President into your terrorist cabal).

But wheatie says this:

That thing about the doors not being locked?

The doors have traditionally been left unlocked for security reasons!

That's because the Secret Service agents need to be able to have instant access to all areas...in the event of an emergency situation.

So if they are now going to start locking all the doors, it's going to create an impediment to the SS agents.

That kinda makes a whole lot of sense to me.

The real defense against a threat is not a locked door. It's a Secret Service agent.

Posted by: Ace at 12:43 PM | Comments (220)
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1 Lies, lies and more lies.

Posted by: Ronster at September 29, 2014 12:47 PM (3Dhf5)

2 It's not like their first impulse is to Lie To Us, or anything. ...No, couldn't be that.

Posted by: wheatie at September 29, 2014 12:48 PM (+hIRb)

3 I'm OK with them not revealing all of the details, but for pete's sake, has anyone been held accountable and/or have any changes been made to prevent stuff like this?

*And I don't mean expanding the perimeter of the WH security surveillance by several blocks.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 12:49 PM (D/504)

4 I have previously proffered this theory. 




Maybe the Secret Service really a shit does not give.  



Posted by: D-Lamp at September 29, 2014 12:49 PM (txvbW)

5 Crime in public housing. Pffft. Dog bites man story.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 29, 2014 12:49 PM (SLea8)

6 >>Intelligence outfits generally conceal their successes, and their failures, and especially how they succeeded and how they failed.

SEAL Team 6 agrees.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 12:50 PM (D/504)

7 Folks around here asked why the response to the latest intrusion was so lackadaisical.  My guess is that they took so much grief for shooting the deranged woman with a kid in the back seat, that they're now afraid to do anything.

Posted by: pep at September 29, 2014 12:50 PM (4nR9/)

8 I wonder how much we spend to keep these Top Men trained and ready?

Posted by: Agenda 21 Refugee at September 29, 2014 12:50 PM (XzRw1)

9 Release the info that security at the WH is a friggin' set of clown shoes. Wait for someone to make an actual attempt. Use that as the excuse to clamp down on everybody who isn't on board with SCOAMF's agenda But then again, I am a cynical bitch.

Posted by: Crabbity at September 29, 2014 12:50 PM (eN+v3)

10 Actually I don't think this is a very good topic.   Too much of an opportunity for a loudmouth to step on a landmine. 



I would suggest posting something else pdq. 




Posted by: D-Lamp at September 29, 2014 12:50 PM (txvbW)

11 Those Kirby Vacuum Salesman can be pretty pushy.

Posted by: garrett at September 29, 2014 12:51 PM (tqIxq)

12 4 days to figure out shots hit the White House. Top. F*cking. Men & Women

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Jay Cutler is my MVP at September 29, 2014 12:51 PM (vPh3W)

13 7 Folks around here asked why the response to the latest intrusion was so lackadaisical. My guess is that they took so much grief for shooting the deranged woman with a kid in the back seat, that they're now afraid to do anything. Posted by: pep at September 29, 2014 05:50 PM (4nR9/) *********** Wow I forgot all about that.

Posted by: Neil DeGrasse Tyson--I Just Sainted Myself! at September 29, 2014 12:52 PM (RJMhd)

14 False.

G-Men brag about their successes and lie about their failures. Even the former head of the IRS bragged about going after Tea Party groups.

Posted by: Chuck Todd at September 29, 2014 12:53 PM (rCS6C)

15 Do they now snort coke off hooker's asses in the WH?

Posted by: Agenda 21 Refugee at September 29, 2014 12:53 PM (XzRw1)

16 Next we'll hear that he actually got to a computer and deleted some files responsive to some subpoena. BTW has anybody explained why they don't maximize the security of the White House by monkeying with the landscaping or stationing roving patrols on the lawn, instead of randomly searching innocent people through the whole city?

Posted by: Chris Balsz at September 29, 2014 12:53 PM (pYEaj)

17

That thing about the doors not being locked?

 

The doors have traditionally been left unlocked for security reasons!

That's because the Secret Service agents need to be able to have instant access to all areas...in the event of an emergency situation.

 

So if they are now going to start locking all the doors, it's going to create an impediment to the SS agents.

Posted by: wheatie at September 29, 2014 12:53 PM (+hIRb)

18 Geez, Jihadis are probably kicking themselves all over the middle east right now.

Posted by: Iblis at September 29, 2014 12:53 PM (9221z)

19 13 7 Folks around here asked why the response to the latest intrusion was so lackadaisical. My guess is that they took so much grief for shooting the deranged woman with a kid in the back seat, that they're now afraid to do anything.
Posted by: pep at September 29, 2014 05:50 PM (4nR9/)

***********

Wow I forgot all about that. Posted by: Neil DeGrasse Tyson


Wow, you're brilliant.

Posted by: NPR at September 29, 2014 12:53 PM (4nR9/)

20 Secret Service hasn't been looking too good in recent years.Whoring,boozing and lapses in security.

Posted by: steevy at September 29, 2014 12:54 PM (v5UtH)

21 In any organization with a shitty work ethic at the top will see that attitude flow downhill and infect the entire organization.

Posted by: Dang at September 29, 2014 12:54 PM (MNq6o)

22 /bites tongue

Posted by: Soothsayer of The Righteous And Harmonious Fists (-389 days left until climate chaos) at September 29, 2014 12:54 PM (vzJm/)

23 "Failure to advance the Party's agenda is a crime"  -Chuck Todd

Posted by: Chuck Todd at September 29, 2014 12:54 PM (rCS6C)

24 Good thing bamster was on vacation or he might have crapped his pants.

Posted by: Ronster at September 29, 2014 12:54 PM (3Dhf5)

25 I'm sure there are many things the federal government does top to bottom with  a degree of competence approaching what happens daily in the private sector, but struggle to come up with an example.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 29, 2014 12:55 PM (uhMMS)

26 21 In any organization with a shitty work ethic at the top will see that attitude flow downhill and infect the entire organization.

Posted by: Dang at September 29, 2014 05:54 PM (MNq6o)



That was my alternative theory.   Shit birds make other shit birds. 




Posted by: D-Lamp at September 29, 2014 12:55 PM (txvbW)

27 Hey, don't blame us. We printed exactly what they told us to print!

Posted by: New York Times at September 29, 2014 12:55 PM (6um35)

28 When I read reportage that the White House will now be locking its doors based on recent intrusions, I find that to be rather disconcerting. Are the SS security policies that suspect? Or are they being countermanded by Team Obama? What exactly do we have in DC that the incompetence is so rampant? I'm not referring to the SS exclusively. It's like the entire district takes Stupid Pills.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 29, 2014 12:56 PM (1CroS)

29 I guess after the bad optics of the President locking himself out of the White House, all outside doors are now unlocked.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 29, 2014 12:56 PM (xPIsN)

30 Stupid fucker went in the wrong door.

Posted by: SS at September 29, 2014 12:56 PM (XzRw1)

31 People tend to be very willing to agree with their own interests.

Well, I agree with everything Mr. Gumby blogs!

Seems like a lot of stupid going on and a lot of lame splanations.

Why wasn't the fence jumper shot dead 3 steps onto the lawn?
Why isn't that fancy shot listening gear used around WH so they'd know by the 2nd round they were under fire and from which direction.
Why if we are at war with TransNational Homicidal Maniacs (irregardless of whose snackbar they're yelling for) is the Secret Service doing better at getting themselves hookers than stopping threats to the WH.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at September 29, 2014 12:56 PM (DL2i+)

32 1963: Stray BB-gun round richochets off street near presidential motorcade. In unrelated news, President Kennedy died today due to a splitting headache.

Posted by: zombie at September 29, 2014 12:57 PM (/UYSJ)

33 I have a feeling that a lot of the Presidential detail officers are incompetent dimwits that got there by kissing ass, licking boots, and pretending to agree with the Leftists in charge. Peter Principle. They're failures, promoted because they make the shitheaded roundheels at State feel nicey nicey and gooey in all the political gunkslots.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at September 29, 2014 12:58 PM (kVzqa)

34 When I said "I was under fire" I meant to add "when I was visiting the White House". It was the newspapers who falsely added the part about Bosnia.

Posted by: Hillary! at September 29, 2014 12:58 PM (6um35)

35 Seven Shots. Seven on the face of the Baby Holstein on the sidebar. Mind. Blown.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 29, 2014 12:58 PM (NaV4z)

36 Shit Holmes, we walk right in.

Posted by: La Raza at September 29, 2014 12:58 PM (XzRw1)

37 >>Intelligence outfits generally conceal their successes, and their failures, and
especially how they succeeded and how they failed. SEAL Team 6 agrees.Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 05:50 PM (D/504)

I also agree. But when the most transparent admin evah keeps lying to you and lying to you, everything smells like a blasted coverup.

Posted by: LizLem at September 29, 2014 12:59 PM (yRwC8)

38 I guess I'm just amazed to find out that the White House doesn't have bulletproof glass....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at September 29, 2014 12:59 PM (PZ6/M)

39 It took the Secret Service four days to realize that shots had hit the White House residence, a discovery that came about only because a housekeeper noticed broken glass and a chunk of cement on the floor.

#giveherabadgeandaholster

Posted by: Jen Psocki at September 29, 2014 12:59 PM (Dwehj)

40 Maybe putting a big burly guy at the door who is physically capable of tackling an adult male running at him is a good idea. There's a reason bouncers tend to be big strong dudes and not small ladies.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 12:59 PM (ZPrif)

41 Sounds like they're institutionally trying to hide one thing... Their incompetence. My reasoning.... Why else do you comply with such things? These people know the culture isn't favorable to those who try to improve things. DC city govt has bullet detectors but the WH doesn't? I mean, you're talking about what should be the most electronically secure place around?! Are they so afraid of using these methods that they stick to other unreliable ones? Competent people know stuff like this doesn't happen unless you have a culture that ignores their duty. At that point the competent people left will do what they can to work within that framework. So, minimal on leaking details. The competent people know it isn't helpful to know how inept we are and the incompetent people don't want to inform others. That's my ill informed take on it.

Posted by: Former mass resident at September 29, 2014 12:59 PM (TH8JQ)

42 >>Maybe the Secret Service really a shit does not give. I would not be the least bit surprised if somehow part of it is Obama's fault. Making them have fewer people around, taking separate vacations so that they have to cover him and his family separately, etc. Who knows, but I can't assume he has nothing to do with it. And the first incident was 3 years ago and yet they are still having problems?? >>An alarm box near the front entrance of the White House designed to alert guards to an intruder had been muted at what officers believed was a request of the usher's office Someone other than the SS making security decisions that make their job harder. Yeh, I know I'm wildly speculating, but I can't bring myself to give him the benefit of the doubt. >>With the first couple gone, the Secret Service staff at the White House slipped into what some termed a "casual Friday" mode. Yikes. >>Back at the White House, Michelle Obama was worried about how the scene of agents on the family balcony might upset her daughters. She relayed a special request that the FBI team finish their work on the balcony by 2:35 p.m., before Sasha and Malia came home from school. Oy.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 29, 2014 12:59 PM (0xTsz)

43 My guess is that they took so much grief for shooting the deranged woman

Wasn't that the Capital Police, not DC police, not SS?

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at September 29, 2014 12:59 PM (DL2i+)

44 I understand there will be a Congressional hearing regarding how the guy got into the WH. Momentarily, I though they were talking about Obama.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 29, 2014 12:59 PM (/GgDU)

45 It took them *four days* to realize a window was broken?! I know it's a pretty big place, but still...

Posted by: Polliwog the 'Ette at September 29, 2014 12:59 PM (GDulk)

46

In this regime, an 'Ability to Keep Secrets' is the most important job requirement.

 

This is a corrosive situation.

When the security force is primarily concerned with 'keeping the emperor's secrets'...then actual security becomes a secondary concern.

Posted by: wheatie at September 29, 2014 12:59 PM (+hIRb)

47 CNN Breaking News Massacre fears as ISIS closes in on key city

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 12:59 PM (RJMhd)

48 Some day the world will be covered in carpet. And we, we will do all the cleaning.

Posted by: Mr Wilhelm at September 29, 2014 12:59 PM (tqIxq)

49 President Obama has the best insurance policy possible against assassination attempts. Say moi.

Posted by: Joe Biden, Presidential Insurance Policy [/i] at September 29, 2014 01:00 PM (Zq4s7)

50 I got close enough to smell Michelle's mom's ass. The delousing at the reception center was quite welcome.

Posted by: Omar Gonzalez at September 29, 2014 01:00 PM (RubNX)

51 We are being set up for the end of the republic. By failing on multiple levels simultaneously they lower the bar of what we expect from government. Then when a terrorist attack, a natural disaster or an outbreak strikes they can say that the system was at fault and the only way to prevent things like this in the future is a system overhaul.. Think about that.. gov't is rewarded with new powers when it fails. Never before have we seen someone who is so good at getting away with failure. Raised by commies, backed by radicals, and beloved by idiots, who better to destroy the system we have inherited than by proving in the flesh that our gov't can't work properly. The explicit strategy of the Obama team has been to 'flood the zone', it doesn't take a genius to figure out that when they screw something up it is not a failure to them.. it is one more institution that people no longer believe in, which is a success if your ambition is to bring down freedom. The reaction to failure is telling, no one is ever fired, and nothing is reorganized, just allowed to decay.

Posted by: Alert at September 29, 2014 01:00 PM (H3WNZ)

52 Kobane (can't get the spelling) town of Syrian Kurds near Turkey.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 01:00 PM (RJMhd)

53 He overpowered the SS agent?! My God, that seems like the worst thing of all. God knows I can't stand the a**hole, but I'd hate for anything to happen to him or those babies or Mrs O or her mama.

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 29, 2014 01:00 PM (HNExQ)

54 So if they are now going to start locking all the doors, it's going to create an impediment to the SS agents.

Because 17 trillion $ wont buy enough RFID tags + locks?

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at September 29, 2014 01:01 PM (DL2i+)

55 I have a feeling if that unarmed mentally ill black lady had been shot by Bush's White House that would have been a story. The media would have used it as a metaphor for Republican Racism or something, Kanye West would have written a song about her.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 01:01 PM (ZPrif)

56 47 CNN Breaking News Massacre fears as ISIS closes in on key city Posted by: your friendly Danube River g JV playas aren't killas So says President Whine & Jive

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Jay Cutler is my MVP at September 29, 2014 01:01 PM (vPh3W)

57 The Secret Service needs to be overhauled, top to bottom, and fast. Fire everyone and get somebody competent in there.

Posted by: MTF at September 29, 2014 01:02 PM (6um35)

58 I understand there will be a Congressional hearing regarding how the guy got into the WH. Momentarily, I though they were talking about Obama. Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 29, 2014 05:59 PM (/GgDU) I LOLd!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at September 29, 2014 01:02 PM (HNExQ)

59 43 My guess is that they took so much grief for shooting the deranged woman

Wasn't that the Capital Police, not DC police, not SS?

Posted by: DaveA


Unpossible.  I have an explicit memory that it was the SS. 

Posted by: pep at September 29, 2014 01:02 PM (4nR9/)

60 There's a reason bouncers tend to be big strong dudes and not small ladies. Posted by: Costanza ------------------ That's just straight-up misogyny, man. I go to the movies, I know better.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 29, 2014 01:02 PM (/GgDU)

61
Do you remember reading about that?




Yep.

Posted by: Neil DeGrasse Tyson

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at September 29, 2014 01:02 PM (kdS6q)

62 We're pretty sure it was the Lutherans.

Posted by: Jen Psocki at September 29, 2014 01:03 PM (Dwehj)

63 ...Staring at #42, my God. I figured it out. His WIFE is behind it all. It's the kind of petty footstamping tantrumslinging that gets effective measures killed. I mean, they MUTED the ALARM? And the hulking 'quatch is giving the FBI Investigatory team a f*cking deadline to leave? Is she that stupid, that murderous, or that vapid? Or all three?

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at September 29, 2014 01:03 PM (kVzqa)

64 The WH is less secure than the 2nd floor at Graceland. Which is silly, because I... uh, Elvis has not lived here since 1977 and there's not much to see.

Posted by: Anonymous at September 29, 2014 01:03 PM (Ks4nX)

65 >>But when the most transparent admin evah keeps lying to you and lying to you, everything smells like a blasted coverup.

Oh, totally agree.

It's just amazing that the one thing Obama likes to leak is our military secrets, such as the Bin Laden raid and the most recent f-up attempt to rescue Foley from IS. Been that way from the beginning, starting w/Holder releasing Bush's interrogation memos spelling out for AQ exactly how far we will and will not go to get information. He's a seive with security info.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 01:03 PM (D/504)

66 Call me crazy, but if I'm CiC the Secret Service agent guarding the front door is going to look like a defensive tackle and answer to the name Crusher or Low Blow, not some gal.  No offense ladies, but no nutjob is straight up bum rushing the White House on my watch.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 29, 2014 01:03 PM (uhMMS)

67
Maybe they were distracted by the Chief White House Fence Sitter.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 29, 2014 01:04 PM (mgE2f)

68 >>t took them *four days* to realize a window was broken?! I know it's a pretty big place, but still... No SS agents were fired, but that maid is OUT OF HERE.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 29, 2014 01:04 PM (0xTsz)

69 What size knife was the intruder carrying? If it was anywhere close to the size of the knife that guy used to behead that woman, one shudders to think what COULD have happened to a person if he had a target in mind. These home-grown jihadists are just crazy enough to take things there....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at September 29, 2014 01:04 PM (PZ6/M)

70 The bad thing about this security breach.  It is now publicly known that the White House grounds can be crossed before any officers can reach the incident.  And a lot of bad actors are now going "hhmmmm."  And some of them already have cells in this country.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 29, 2014 01:04 PM (xPIsN)

71 Call me crazy, but if I'm CiC the Secret Service agent guarding the front door is going to look like a defensive tackle and answer to the name Crusher or Low Blow, not some gal. No offense ladies, but no nutjob is straight up bum rushing the White House on my watch. Posted by: Baron --------------------- Bulky, but agile.

Posted by: Mike Hammer,etc., etc. at September 29, 2014 01:05 PM (/GgDU)

72 Actually I don't think this is a very good topic. Too much of an opportunity for a loudmouth to step on a landmine.
I would suggest posting something else pdq.

Posted by: D-Lamp at September 29, 2014 05:50 PM (txvbW)


yeah, I got off on a riff and then read what I'd written and said "Oops, that's not good" and deleted and reloaded.


Let's just break the thread here and keep talking about NDT.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and All That at September 29, 2014 01:05 PM (KK+mC)

73 57 The Secret Service Federal Government needs to be overhauled, top to bottom, and fast. Fire everyone and get somebody competent in there.

Posted by: La Raza at September 29, 2014 01:05 PM (XzRw1)

74 JV playas aren't killas So says President Whine & Jive Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Jay Cutler is my MVP at September 29, 2014 06:01 PM (vPh3W) ********** CNN just aired testimony of several administration officials warning differently. One of the testimonies they actually ran was of-- Gen. Mike Flynn head of the Defense Intelligence Agency. When he resigned he said essentially that the Obama Administration was not reading the INTEL briefs.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 01:05 PM (RJMhd)

75 "There's a reason bouncers tend to be big strong dudes and not small ladies"

Ahem.

Posted by: A skinny little runt named Dalton at September 29, 2014 01:06 PM (uhMMS)

76

How long before we hear that the Secret Service budget isn't big enough?

Posted by: Wodeshed at September 29, 2014 01:07 PM (wCuR+)

77 >>> Too much of an opportunity for a loudmouth to step on a landmine. I've deleted 19 drafts thus far.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 29, 2014 01:07 PM (RubNX)

78 Would it be "workplace violence" if someone managed to attack the Preezy?

Posted by: wheatie at September 29, 2014 01:07 PM (+hIRb)

79 75 "There's a reason bouncers tend to be big strong dudes and not small ladies"

Ahem.
Posted by: A skinny little runt named Dalton


Wuss.

Posted by: Jim at September 29, 2014 01:07 PM (4nR9/)

80 Inspector, when you are the Magical Princess no matter what the pea is that makes the mattress uncomfortable you think you can make it all go away with a simple command.  Magical conceited thinking all the way down.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 29, 2014 01:08 PM (xPIsN)

81 Attacks by latin American hookers down 74%.

Posted by: --- at September 29, 2014 01:08 PM (MMC8r)

82 Inspector Cussword: "His WIFE is behind it all. It's the kind of petty footstamping tantrumslinging that gets effective measures killed." If true, the SS response ought to be, "No, Ma'am. We will not be doing that." She has no legitimate authority. She cannot supercede the People's interests. She's an inhabitant of the People's house. Nothing more. Anything granted her is public grace.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 29, 2014 01:08 PM (1CroS)

83
As for the locked doors, clearly at this point in tech history there are wearable electronic keys the agents and others could wear that give or restrict access to specific doors.

Anybody?  Bueller?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 29, 2014 01:08 PM (mgE2f)

84 How long before we hear that the Secret Service budget isn't big enough? Posted by: Wodeshed --------------------- I'm working on it. It will come up during the hearing.

Posted by: Lieja Cummins at September 29, 2014 01:08 PM (/GgDU)

85 When he resigned he said essentially that the Obama Administration was not reading the INTEL briefs.

That's just not true. I saw a check mark on at least one of them back in 2009.

Posted by: Jen Psocki at September 29, 2014 01:08 PM (Dwehj)

86 Anybody? Bueller? Posted by: Guy ---------------- Our Nissan

Posted by: Lieja Cummins at September 29, 2014 01:09 PM (/GgDU)

87 Well, at least he heeded the "Gun Free" sticker on the door. Gun control works, people!

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 29, 2014 01:10 PM (RubNX)

88 They should fire EVERYONE in the Usher's office, but especially the nincompoop who had the alarm silenced. He should be thrown in the pokey for Accessory to F*cking Making Things Stupidly Unsafe (then release the idiot after 24 hrs of yelling at him). And the President should think about kicking that hulking mouthbreather of a wife out into her own apartment for a few weeks - let the FBI actually do their jobs without her stomping around and yelling like an idiot.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at September 29, 2014 01:10 PM (kVzqa)

89 He's climbin' in your window, Snatchin' your president up

Posted by: Antoine Dodson at September 29, 2014 01:10 PM (Ks4nX)

90 The real defense against a threat is not a locked door. It's a Secret Service agent. ---- One more step to that logic. "With a gun."

Posted by: fixerupper at September 29, 2014 01:11 PM (NaV4z)

91 When he resigned he said essentially that the Obama Administration was not reading the INTEL briefs.
----------
That's because pResident Mom Jeans would rather read the PDB on his tablet than have to put up with a live briefing from his intelligence people. And from the look of things, I don't think his tablet works. At least that would be his excuse and I'm sure that he's sticking with it.

Posted by: Old Blue - Formerly LFW at September 29, 2014 01:11 PM (vVSOO)

92 I hated those 'smart' locks on the 2015 Toyota Corolla I rented to attend Anime Weekend Atlanta.

As long as you with the special electronic key on your person is anywhere near the car, it will unlock for you.  So all of us who are used to tugging the door handle to make sure we locked it.  The door opens for you.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 29, 2014 01:11 PM (xPIsN)

93 Come on. It's not like a guy in a suicide vest could accomplish anything if he got inside the building.

Posted by: --- at September 29, 2014 01:12 PM (MMC8r)

94 The real defense against a threat is not a locked door. It's a Secret Service agent. ---- One more step to that logic. "With a gun." Loaded.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/b][/I] at September 29, 2014 01:12 PM (+/X+n)

95 How the hell does anyone get 7 shots at the freaking White House and nobody notices? I was under the impression the White House had a better security system than ADT and if someone puts a bullet through a house with that kind of security it will sound the alarm.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 29, 2014 01:12 PM (g1DWB)

96 This 2011 incident was -- well, let me say, as non-provocatively as possible, not reported accurately to the public. This is the reason the media downplayed it at the time. Occupy DC Protester Shoots At White House With Assault Rifle. Police believe the suspect, 21-year-old Oscar Ramiro Ortega of Idaho, is mentally ill.

Posted by: Donna at September 29, 2014 01:12 PM (Qc7PQ)

97 Pep, I just left a comment for you in the other thread.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 29, 2014 01:12 PM (r+7wo)

98

83
As for the locked doors, clearly at this point in tech history there are wearable electronic keys the agents and others could wear that give or restrict access to specific doors.

 

Anybody? Bueller?

 

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 29, 2014 06:08 PM (mgE2f)

 

-------

 

Seconds count, in an emergency situation.

 

Where do the agents put their guns, while they are fumbling with their keys and codes?

Posted by: wheatie at September 29, 2014 01:13 PM (+hIRb)

99 Apropos of nothing, I was reading The Lives of the Later Caesars, about the second century Roman emperors, yesterday, and I recall that at one point the Praetorian Guard, which was the imperial bodyguard and supposed to be the most elite unit in the empire, had become so slack that guardsmen were hiring replacements to drill for them. Maybe the SS has been spending a bit too much time in the capitol...

Posted by: Grey Fox at September 29, 2014 01:13 PM (Hp0kP)

100 >>> I hated those 'smart' locks on the 2015 Toyota Corolla I rented to attend Anime Weekend Atlanta. Did all the hookers have big eyes and fucked up hair?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 29, 2014 01:13 PM (RubNX)

101 he real defense against a threat is not a locked door. It's a Secret Service agent.

----

One more step to that logic.


"With a gun."



Loaded.

+++++++

That's willing to f'ing shoot the bastard jumping the fence.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 29, 2014 01:13 PM (mgE2f)

102 Basically, it's easier to get inside the White House than it is the supply closet at work.

Posted by: --- at September 29, 2014 01:13 PM (MMC8r)

103 Occupy DC Protester Shoots At White House With Assault Rifle. Police believe the suspect, 21-year-old Oscar Ramiro Ortega of Idaho, is mentally ill. No shit. Next?

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/b][/I] at September 29, 2014 01:13 PM (+/X+n)

104 So all of us who are used to tugging the door handle to make sure we locked it. The door opens for you. Posted by: Anna ------------------------ We will continue to train you, until you conform to our will.

Posted by: Hal 9000 at September 29, 2014 01:14 PM (/GgDU)

105 They played the 2011 shooting down because the shooter had ties to occupy washington, in that he lived in a tent and protested. Or as the media's been putting it, he used them for cover to pull off his devious non-political, non-occupy plot to pepper the side of the WH with bullets.

Posted by: common sense at September 29, 2014 01:14 PM (kMHYf)

106 Where do the agents put their guns, while they are fumbling with their keys and codes?  <<<<<<<<

I'm thinking automatic.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 29, 2014 01:14 PM (mgE2f)

107 Where do the agents put their guns, while they are fumbling with their keys and codes? --- Ever hold a flashlight in your mouth so your hands are free??

Posted by: fixerupper at September 29, 2014 01:15 PM (NaV4z)

108 "No comment is a comment"

The Mossad

Posted by: Bill Kennedy the Smoker at September 29, 2014 01:15 PM (Q4scy)

109 (Makes a deposit in a numbered foreign account) (Slams laptop shut) "What's that Dr. Biden? Oh, nothing, just Amtrak themed porn."

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 29, 2014 01:15 PM (oSS/M)

110 Herr Morgenholz, I did see in the registration line two guys with nice bears wearing French maid outfits.  One was in peach and the other lime green.  Does that answer your question?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 29, 2014 01:16 PM (xPIsN)

111 >>> the shooter had ties to occupy washington "Hold this AK while I drop a deuce on the hood of that Pigmobile".

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 29, 2014 01:17 PM (RubNX)

112 Ever hold a flashlight in your mouth so your hands are free?? I can hold a 4 D Cell Maglite. Ask Reggie, he'll tell you.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at September 29, 2014 01:17 PM (tqIxq)

113 In the case of our car, it is only necessary that you have the 'key' on your person.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at September 29, 2014 01:17 PM (/GgDU)

114 97 Pep, I just left a comment for you in the other thread. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick)

Thanks for the heads up.  I am a chemist, although most of my work is of the physical chemistry, nanotech and solid state physics variety.  Naturally, since I am strongest in verbal, I chose those as my fields of study.  What else would an intelligent person do?

You?

Posted by: pep at September 29, 2014 01:17 PM (4nR9/)

115 Hmmmm.......So does this mean that we could go in and burgle the place? I'd really like to have that desk that Teh One puts his feet up on. Maybe I could get the SS guys to help me carry it to the van. Of course it would help if I had the One Ring.

Posted by: Old Blue - Formerly LFW at September 29, 2014 01:17 PM (vVSOO)

116 The real defense against a threat is not a locked door. It's a Secret Service agent. ~~~~ um, er, "overpowering one Secret Service officer". 10 to 1 it was a female ociffer.

Posted by: cliff claven, postman at September 29, 2014 01:18 PM (vHlQ5)

117 Ya can't beat a French maid with nice bears. But Ray Rice can.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at September 29, 2014 01:19 PM (RubNX)

118 "I have a feeling if that unarmed mentally ill black lady had been shot by Bush's White House that would have been a story."

Hell yes it would have.  Unarmed black mentally ill single mother of a newborn (who was in the car) killed after LEO's had her pulled over and had multiple opportunities to stop her with non-lethal force.  From a media that asks "why didn't you shoot him in the knee" after every shooting.

Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at September 29, 2014 01:19 PM (QKIQb)

119

um

 

pay attention

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 01:19 PM (zOTsN)

120 Where do the agents put their guns, while they are fumbling with their keys and codes? <<<<<<<<

I'm thinking automatic.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk


So I'm the only one that assumed all of the doors were locked and unlocked from a central operations/com room?

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at September 29, 2014 01:20 PM (sDQnB)

121 I pray the Obamas are safe. We need no martyrs and if he's safe there's more time for his possible repentance and conversion and being made accountable for his terrible leadership. I'm not counting on the last couple of things, however.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 29, 2014 01:21 PM (glk59)

122 people, secret service protocol is to run AROUND Michelle's radioactive vegetable garden otherwise you risk trampling the valuable nutritious goodness that seasons her 47 pounds of ribs and french fries she eats for breakfast. That's why these people can just run right into the White House.

Posted by: Jay in CDA at September 29, 2014 01:21 PM (xGt2P)

123 Don't look at me Joe Biden has the double barreled shotgun

Posted by: Jim Clapper at September 29, 2014 01:22 PM (q+zA9)

124 116 The real defense against a threat is not a locked door. It's a Secret Service agent. ~~~~ um, er, "overpowering one Secret Service officer". 10 to 1 it was a female ociffer. Posted by: cliff claven, postman at September 29, 2014 06:18 PM (vHlQ5) But in true Moron Fashion.... the ONLY question is... did she have Pointy elbows?

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 29, 2014 01:22 PM (f0pWu)

125 I meant beards...

Still trying to recover from the con and the long drive.  Saturday morning I spent I think all of two minutes trying to figure out how to orient the plate to properly eat an omelet.  That was followed later in the day being thwarted by doors.  But I managed to have fun, meet some fun people, get autographs, and find some neat stuff in the Dealers Room.   And get home in one piece.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 29, 2014 01:22 PM (xPIsN)

126

thisguy.  He sounds liek more a nutter than politically motivated.  But, was he an illegal alien?

 

might be more layers here than we think

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 01:22 PM (zOTsN)

127 him being an illegal would not help the narrative

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 01:23 PM (zOTsN)

128 If something unfortunate should happen to Barak, You can count on me

Posted by: Joe Biden, War Chief at September 29, 2014 01:23 PM (q+zA9)

129 "As I've always said," Obama asserted, "we need to make sure that the victory that I won in Iraq when I ordered our troops out of the country in 2011 was not in vain. Except, remember, I didn't actually order the troops out. President Maliki wanted us to leave, and I had no choice, even though he said he would sign the immunity order. But that's neither here nor there."

The president continued: "To, uh, to that end, I have launched a vehement Twitter campaign calling on ISIL to stop beheading and torturing so many Christians and minorities. Maybe spread the love to some Jews or Turks and other groups. These folks ... [if] they can chop people's heads off, maybe they can start tryin' to be more fair about it."

"Let me be clear: I call on ISIL to be more moderate, more inclusive, and more evenhanded in their beheading operations," added the president. "As I said when I was awarded my Nobel Peace Prize -- for, uh, something -- moderation and diversity are the highest things to which you can aspire. This is true whether you are an ISIL freedom fighter, or like me, a great strategist."

ISIS leaders responded via social media, surprisingly accepting Obama's guidance, and pledging to be more inclusive in their visitation of unyielding Sharia justice upon deserving infidels and heretics.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at September 29, 2014 01:23 PM (e8kgV)

130 Hell yes it would have. Unarmed black mentally ill single mother of a newborn (who was in the car) killed after LEO's had her pulled over and had multiple opportunities to stop her with non-lethal force. From a media that asks "why didn't you shoot him in the knee" after every shooting. Posted by: SocietyIs2Blame at September 29, 2014 06:19 PM (QKIQb) Funny how that works, isn't it? You'd almost think there's some kind of bias...

Posted by: Havedash at September 29, 2014 01:23 PM (G1XMn)

131 Maybe stated upthread. Unlike F&F, Benghazi. Obamacare website, IRS and other dick stompages. some heads will roll on this one. Valarie Jarrett and Moochelle won't stand for shit like this.

Posted by: Golfman in NC at September 29, 2014 01:23 PM (wVWRM)

132 93 Come on. It's not like a guy in a suicide vest could accomplish anything if he got inside the building. ~~~ Point well made. Potus would either be on the golf course, fundraising or vacationing (He and Flotus were on their way to Hawaii during the 2011 incident). But it's a brilliant idea to take out an annoying mother in law. Jus sayin'

Posted by: socalcon at September 29, 2014 01:24 PM (vHlQ5)

133 I mean, none of the stories now say where he is from.  Thats kind of weird

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 01:24 PM (zOTsN)

134 Of course, if the President was even within whistling distance of being a real man, he'd be in the shooting range right now with a .45 - practicing. But he has more love of destroying the 2nd amendment than he loves his own children - because they're in the same house too. A real mad would already be asking for proper training and ammo. But since he's a pussy, well.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at September 29, 2014 01:25 PM (kVzqa)

135 I hated those 'smart' locks on the 2015 Toyota Corolla I rented to attend Anime Weekend Atlanta. Toyota is kind of pushing the envelope with a lot of the software they're building into their cars. I have to ask my SIL, a corporate tech person, a lot of times why the Toyota car I drive acts so strangely. Like I stop at a stop sign, then accelerate, and the car bogs down and doesn't want to accelerate. He asks, "Do you drive with one foot on the brake, one on gas?" Yup. That's why. The assumption is that I'm an old fool that is driving through the plate glass window of a Dunkin' Donuts because I drive with two feet, and I mistook the gas for the brake. I think two foot driving has saved me a couple hundred milliseconds of response time in a pair of near fatal collisions with idiots. Interesting times and all that, but a lot of shit is happening behind the screen with the software (ala Wizard of Oz) that the Average Person has no clue to.

Posted by: Joe Biden, Presidential Insurance Policy [/i] at September 29, 2014 01:25 PM (Zq4s7)

136 >>Do they now snort coke off hooker's asses in the WH? Sure they do. Um, wait who do you mean by "they"?

Posted by: Aviator at September 29, 2014 01:25 PM (3rrMW)

137

usually they write something like "Joe Blow from Houston Texas"

now this guy has an arrest record in Texas, but where is he from?

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 01:26 PM (zOTsN)

138 New commenter Freotragic posted at end of last thread, give them a welcome! Comment was thoughtful and nuanced, which, don't know what the crap they are doing here then.   But yay!

Posted by: LizLem at September 29, 2014 01:26 PM (yRwC8)

139 ThunderB: "I mean, none of the stories now say where he is from. Thats kind of weird" I recall Peruvia.

Posted by: NDT at September 29, 2014 01:26 PM (1CroS)

140 I hope this is fixed by the time we have a real President again.

And I hope the fix they propose is something better than Jack Bauer barking into his cellphone to "set up a perimeter," because that never seems to work the way it's supposed to.

Posted by: Keith Arnold at September 29, 2014 01:26 PM (iIzG7)

141 But it's a brilliant idea to take out an annoying mother in law. Jus sayin' Posted by: socalcon at September 29, 2014 06:24 PM (vHlQ5) Yeah,... right.... any intruder who got that Far??? Zombietized....

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 29, 2014 01:26 PM (f0pWu)

142 My first question in this case is: Why is the Secret Service being protected? This is, afterall, the First Black President and he is Godlike (if not, it must grudgingly be admitted, actually God) in his wisdom, knowledge, and presence. So how does this incompetent agency filled with paramilitary goons, exactly the sort of people that Dems can't stand, still in existence after this breach of duty? Especially given the breaches in duty which came before? Probably because they know shit. Bad shit. Expect a bunch of them to retire, curiously wealthy, at the end of TOTUS's final term.

Posted by: AMartel at September 29, 2014 01:27 PM (WWgnZ)

143 Posted by: AMartel at September 29, 2014 06:27 PM (WWgnZ) Nah.... they know... that just as he is a better Speech Writer than his writers. And a better General than his Generals... And seeing as to how HE killed O Bin L... They'd just be in the way of his Awsome Ninja like Ramboesque Mojo...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 29, 2014 01:29 PM (f0pWu)

144

huff po says he is from Idaho

 

they are the only one

 

no family coming forward

 

an OWS dreamer perhaps?

 

from central america?

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 01:30 PM (zOTsN)

145 They'd just be in the way of his Awsome Ninja like Ramboesque Mojo... Posted by: Romeo13 at September 29, 2014 06:29 PM (f0pWu) you mean the guy who curls 20 pounds? we all saw that vid

Posted by: Joe Biden, War Chief at September 29, 2014 01:31 PM (q+zA9)

146 The guy was probably a Dreamer.

Posted by: Ronster at September 29, 2014 01:31 PM (3Dhf5)

147 Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 06:30 PM (zOTsN) the shooter was from eastern idaho, who knows where the fence jumper was from

Posted by: Joe Biden, War Chief at September 29, 2014 01:31 PM (q+zA9)

148 145 They'd just be in the way of his Awsome Ninja like Ramboesque Mojo... Posted by: Romeo13 at September 29, 2014 06:29 PM (f0pWu) you mean the guy who curls 20 pounds? we all saw that vid Posted by: Joe Biden, War Chief at September 29, 2014 06:31 PM (q+zA9) Dah.... him.... /snicker....

Posted by: Vlad Putin at September 29, 2014 01:32 PM (f0pWu)

149

 

 

ok

 

rollcall says he is from Idaho Falls, Idaho

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 01:32 PM (zOTsN)

150 Interesting that hopping the fence is BAD when it's the White House, but okay with the White House when it's the one at the Mexican border.

Posted by: --- at September 29, 2014 01:33 PM (MMC8r)

151 rollcall says he is from Idaho Falls, Idaho Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 06:32 PM (zOTsN) Is that where he Lives? or is that where he is FROM? Its like the 'Americans' who are fighting for ISIS... they may have citizenship, but they aint Americans... and are usually Dual Citizens of somewhere else.

Posted by: Vlad Putin at September 29, 2014 01:34 PM (f0pWu)

152 Are you saying that AoSHQ has no security at all??????

Posted by: The Progs at September 29, 2014 01:34 PM (iQIUe)

153 Seriously, is there anything, any institution that Obama can not screw up?


Posted by: Jukin at September 29, 2014 01:34 PM (WGm5T)

154 Baron von Ottomatic, #25: "I'm sure there are many things the federal government does top to bottom with a degree of competence approaching what happens daily in the private sector, but struggle to come up with an example." One of the first news events I remember vividly is the attempt on President Reagan's life, so one of my first pictures of the Secret Service is that of Agent Tim McCarthy spread-eagled in midair, catching the other bullet that would have hit the president. Later I read in Reagan's memoir that, during his first presidential campaign, he took his Secret Service detail target shooting on his ranch - some sort of detailed combat simulation. At one point he chided the agent in charge: "You forgot to duck." The man responded, "Governor, if we have to shoot a man we're standing between him and his target, and we don't duck." So I admired these guys, a lot, until recently. Maybe they never were as good as their reputation had it, or maybe I'm being unfair. I would have listed CDC, but hey: What do a few misplaced anthrax vials and politically motivated studies on gun violence have to do with anything? NTSB, maybe? Strikes me they're pretty damn good at investigations, and that they Will Not Stop until they figure out why an accident happened. If that's a romanticized view, I'm sure someone will tell me.

Posted by: JPS at September 29, 2014 01:34 PM (9ziuC)

155 Seriously, is there anything, any institution that Obama can not screw up? Posted by: Jukin at September 29, 2014 06:34 PM (WGm5T) VPOTUS !

Posted by: Joe Biden, War Chief at September 29, 2014 01:35 PM (q+zA9)

156

Roll Call piece dated 31 March 2014 says he made two videos praising Osama Bin Laden

 

this was in 2011

 

we cant have an assasination attempt on the president by an Islamic nutter prior to the 2012 elections can we?  workplace violence

 

maybe the secret service was told to cover this up

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 01:35 PM (zOTsN)

157 And I hope the fix they propose is something better than Jack Bauer barking into his cellphone to "set up a perimeter," because that never seems to work the way it's supposed to. Posted by: Keith Arnold at September 29, 2014 06:26 PM (iIzG7) Bauer is always trying to set me up... make me the fall guy, but I'm just a concept, I have no arms, I can't stop anything.

Posted by: A perimeter at September 29, 2014 01:35 PM (4OZqu)

158

150 Interesting that hopping the fence is BAD when it's the White House, but okay with the White House when it's the one at the Mexican border.

 

Posted by: --- at September 29, 2014 06:33 PM (MMC8r) 

 

--------

 

Border Security = BAD

 

White House Security = GOOD

Posted by: wheatie at September 29, 2014 01:37 PM (+hIRb)

159 "So if they are now going to start locking all the doors, it's going to create an impediment to the SS agents."


Dude,  they could just kick it in.  One oughta do it.  Or if it's a door with a window - jump through the glass with two pistols blazing.  Seen it in a TON of movies.  A TON.

Posted by: Dang at September 29, 2014 01:37 PM (MNq6o)

160 >>So I admired these guys, a lot, until recently. Maybe they never were as good as their reputation had it, or maybe I'm being unfair. Until 2003, the SS was under the control of Treasury. They are now under Homeland Security along with that other tip top security agency, TSA. Funny how the bigger the government gets the worst it gets.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 29, 2014 01:37 PM (g1DWB)

161 Are you saying that AoSHQ has no security at all?????? Posted by: The Progs at September 29, 2014 06:34 PM (iQIUe) Attack hamsters on bath salts. Explains the blog, doesn't it.

Posted by: Faster, hamster! Bite! Bite! at September 29, 2014 01:37 PM (lN8KC)

162

 

 

he made and posted videos praising Osama Bin Laden, he called for revolution, said he was a cold hearted warrior of God, was against us being in Iraq and Afghanistan, said we bullied the world for oil, and said he wanted to start Armageddon

 

sounds a wee bit jihadi, nu?

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 01:38 PM (zOTsN)

163 Funny how the bigger the government gets the worst it gets. Posted by: JackStraw at September 29, 2014 06:37 PM (g1DWB) You don't say...

Posted by: Roman Empire Under Trajan at September 29, 2014 01:38 PM (4OZqu)

164 FenelonSpoke: Thank you for your #121. Very, very well put.

Posted by: JPS at September 29, 2014 01:39 PM (9ziuC)

165 So if they are now going to start locking all the doors, it's going to create an impediment to the SS agents. Schiesen die tur. Shoot. The. Door.

Posted by: Hans Gruber at September 29, 2014 01:39 PM (doBIb)

166 One of the drums I like to beat now and again is the rather plausible theory that a secret service agent actually shot JFK, and it was hidden for this very reason. Accident, not conspiracy, and those who dismiss it straight out of hand do so without having heard the evidence. Do I believe it? Not necessarily, but it really has never been credibly opposed or dismissed.

Posted by: BurtTC at September 29, 2014 01:39 PM (DW2an)

167 One of the things I can not figure out about the shooting incident is that a senior SS officer told the others to stand down, It was only a truck backfiring. He can't tell the difference between a rifle shot and a backfire? He ever go to a gun range?

Posted by: Cicero Skip at September 29, 2014 01:39 PM (FIrEF)

168  As a black man, Barak can be killed going into his bedroom.

Posted by: Michelle Obama at September 29, 2014 01:40 PM (WGm5T)

169 Pep, ChemE background. Currently work in pharmacometrics, basically mathematical modeling and simulation of pharmaceutical clinical trial data - drug concentrations, drug effects. (It also covers studies in animals, but if work almost exclusively in the human space).

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 29, 2014 01:40 PM (r+7wo)

170 Dude, they could just kick it in. One oughta do it. Or if it's a door with a window - jump through the glass with two pistols blazing. Seen it in a TON of movies. A TON. Posted by: Dang at September 29, 2014 06:37 PM (MNq6o) And then do a shoulder roll and rip your shirt ala Kirk

Posted by: MikeH at September 29, 2014 01:40 PM (4OZqu)

171 JackStraw, #160: "Until 2003, the SS was under the control of Treasury. They are now under Homeland Security along with that other tip top security agency, TSA. "Funny how the bigger the government gets the worst it gets." Wow - great point.

Posted by: JPS at September 29, 2014 01:40 PM (9ziuC)

172 I've been waiting all day for an inspector. When I double checked the notice, I see that it is scheduled for tomorrown and not today. I'm losing my mind...

Posted by: The Progs at September 29, 2014 01:40 PM (iQIUe)

173 If work = I work

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at September 29, 2014 01:40 PM (r+7wo)

174 Of course, if the President was even within whistling distance of being a real man, he'd be in the shooting range right now with a .45 - practicing. Would he pass the insta-check of a form 4473?

Posted by: toby928(C) at September 29, 2014 01:40 PM (egOKw)

175 Is there a closed door session on this tomorrow? If so the SS wouldn't be be able to hide behind method from anyone but the public (but that may be all that matters.)

Posted by: tsrblke (tablet) at September 29, 2014 01:41 PM (QQMmJ)

176 172 I've been waiting all day for an inspector. When I double checked the notice, I see that it is scheduled for tomorrown and not today. I'm losing my mind... Posted by: The Progs at September 29, 2014 06:40 PM (iQIUe) We're hiding behind the TV but won't tell you where we are...

Posted by: The Progs Mind at September 29, 2014 01:41 PM (4OZqu)

177 This is, afterall, the First Black President and he is Godlike (if not, it must grudgingly be admitted, actually God) in his wisdom, knowledge, and presence. Why does God need Secret Service protection? Also, why does He need a Star Ship?

Posted by: Havedash at September 29, 2014 01:41 PM (G1XMn)

178 They should just put up posters of that crazy lady's baby crying in the car - "Start ANY Crazy Shit Around Here and We WILL Shoot Your Mother."

I would totally straighten my shit up if I saw that.

Posted by: Dang at September 29, 2014 01:42 PM (MNq6o)

179

seriously its all in the Roll Call article dated March 31, article was written by Hannah Hess, titled "Idaho Man Who Fired At White House Sentenced to 25 Years", paragraph 7 of the article.  jeebus

 

sounds real jihadi to me

 

he was still a nutter.  Said the federal government was controlling us with GPS, aspertame, and flouride.  Then again jihadis in Pakistan think immunizations are a plot

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 01:42 PM (zOTsN)

180  

You know what is posted on the White House Tour website?  This little gem, on the page about how to take a tour of the West Wing of the White House.


Sadly, this tour is reserved for only the most deserving of citizens. For those of you who do not qualify to tour the West Wing, you can at least view the photos below!

 

Only the "most deserving"?  WTF?

Posted by: the other coyote at September 29, 2014 01:43 PM (yK44T)

181 Security would be easy if the White House was made from a single used shipping container.

Posted by: think about it at September 29, 2014 01:43 PM (YDAzC)

182 "Would he pass the insta-check of a form 4473?" He does not have an ordinary security clearance!

Posted by: navybrat at September 29, 2014 01:43 PM (JgC5a)

183 Funny how the bigger the government gets the worst it gets. Posted by: JackStraw at September 29, 2014 06:37 PM (g1DWB) You don't say... Posted by: Roman Empire Under Trajan at September 29, 2014 06:38 PM (4OZqu) You ain't seen nuthin' yet!

Posted by: Hillary at September 29, 2014 01:43 PM (lN8KC)

184 Do you wanna know the real reason the Secret Service stinks? It's because they're unqualified. obama and jarrett, to their credit, painstakingly made certain they would surround themselves with the most loyal devotees. Every single person who gets close to obama is a supporter, including all his military advisors. Why do you think no whistleblowers exist? Loyalty is paramount, qualifications are secondary. The Marine pilot flying the chopper? You bet your bippy he is a loyal obama devotee. And probably a shitty pilot. But obama knows that pilot and that Marine guard will keep their mouths shut. obama's Secret Service lives with obama -- you don't really believe he have an agent around who voted for Bush, do you? obama has surrounded himself with Leftists. Of course he has. He had to. obama is destroying the USA; he's not about to jeopardize his evil agenda by keeping agents of The Enemy close to him, do you?

Posted by: Soothsayer of The Righteous And Harmonious Fists (-389 days left until climate chaos) at September 29, 2014 01:44 PM (vzJm/)

185 When we hit POTUS you will know. POTUS will be dead and skull f*cked. Several times and beak raped.

Posted by: Galapagos Island Penguins at September 29, 2014 01:44 PM (WGm5T)

186 Gaylord, "I liked my shipping container so much! I want all of America to live in one."

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 29, 2014 01:44 PM (xPIsN)

187 The 2011 incident looks like This looks like a lack of leadership and seriousness from the top down. Why did Captain Simmons make the call that it wasn't an assassination attempt? Maybe because no one wanted to hang around after their shifts, or because it was easier to shove the responsibility off onto the Park Police. If he had done an even cursory interviews with all the officers on duty, he would have looked for evidence and found it. But it was easier just to say cfuk it and go home. Then, when they realized they screwed up, they went into full CYA mode, perhaps learned from the best practitioners in the world, the D.C. ruling class. These are symptoms of an organization with low morale, and a "punch-in, punch out" mentality. The DMV, only with a better pay scale.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 29, 2014 01:45 PM (HBAcW)

188 an illegal alien islamofacist nutter just prior to the 2012 elections is not what the narrative needed

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 01:46 PM (zOTsN)

189 "The real defense against a threat is not a locked door." It is a rough man ready to do violence in defense of what he holds dear.

Posted by: Train as you will fight, i.e., do threat assessment at September 29, 2014 01:46 PM (gLt83)

190 Schiesen die tur.


Shoot. The. Door.


Posted by: Hans Gruber


Such a thin line between shooting and shitting in Germany...

Posted by: Dang at September 29, 2014 01:46 PM (MNq6o)

191 Why does this story keep changing? But of course the President needs a security force that is loyal to him, and only him, and fiercely loyal to him personally.

Posted by: Dizzie's Spinning Top News Service at September 29, 2014 01:47 PM (GBX3O)

192 Posted by: Soothsayer of The Righteous And Harmonious Fists (-389 days left until climate chaos) at September 29, 2014 06:44 PM (vzJm/) Wow, this ^^^^^

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 29, 2014 01:47 PM (HBAcW)

193 Do you remember when joke biden's secret service motorcade were hitting everything but the lottery? They were driving around Washington D.C. like they were in Bumper Cars at the carnival. Biden's Secret Service detail are a bunch of idiots -- the worst of the worst in the Secret Service. But they're loyal. Biden is ten times the fool and rotten person than people know. There was no way obama could "good" Secret Service agents so close to Biden and risk a leak.

Posted by: Soothsayer of The Righteous And Harmonious Fists (-389 days left until climate chaos) at September 29, 2014 01:47 PM (vzJm/)

194 i think Capt Simmons was told it wasnt an assasination attempt.  I think they White House wanted this kept quiet

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 01:47 PM (zOTsN)

195 The best way into the White House is to just stand outside and hope for the best.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at September 29, 2014 01:48 PM (Ks4nX)

196 For those of you in Rio Linda, I'll simplify it further. Imagine DNC operatives as Secret Service agents guarding the president. Imagine DNC operatives as lead FBI administrators and agents. And so on... Because that's exactly what they are.

Posted by: Soothsayer of The Righteous And Harmonious Fists (-389 days left until climate chaos) at September 29, 2014 01:50 PM (vzJm/)

197 You never see or hear about any attempted assassination attempt on an Emperor Penguin. We kill them and then beak rape them. Hasn't been an attempt since 1834.

Posted by: Galapagos Island Penguins at September 29, 2014 01:50 PM (WGm5T)

198

"The real defense against a threat is not a locked door. It's a Secret Service agent."  With a gun.  Willing to put a bullet in the head of the attacker.

 

My concern is with the female agent that got run over at the door.  She needs to ge reassigend, pronto.  You need someone bigger , beefier, and willing to use force to subdue someone charging the front friggin' door.  Maybe 2 or three guys.  Just saying.

Posted by: Thurston Howell IIII at September 29, 2014 01:51 PM (sta+V)

199 I am surprised at just how thin an ice we've been standing on when it comes to TFG. Failure has been his greatest success.

Posted by: EC at September 29, 2014 01:52 PM (doBIb)

200 Posted by: EC at September 29, 2014 06:52 PM (doBIb) I'd like to believe that the cracks in the ice are radiating outward, but there are a lot of media whores holding their breath as they support the ice below TFG.

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 29, 2014 01:54 PM (o3MSL)

201 184 obama and jarrett, to their credit, painstakingly made certain they would surround themselves with the most loyal devotees. Every single person who gets close to obama is a supporter, including all his military advisors. Why do you think no whistleblowers exist? Posted by: Soothsayer of The Righteous And Harmonious Fists (-389 days left until climate chaos) at September 29, 2014 06:44 PM (vzJm/) I don't remember where, but I recall reading a few years ago that the Obamas didn't trust white Secret Service agents.

Posted by: rickl at September 29, 2014 01:54 PM (sdi6R)

202 I did a few Secret Service details. In the late 80s early 90s. The stories I hear about Secret Service today do not jibe with my experience. Start with the whoring and such. Prior to the principal being inbound, there was a real frat house atmosphere. Bathtubs full of ice and beers. Lots of drinking. This was a high testosterone business, people whose job required them to stand up and take a bullet for someone else. A lot of ex military. People who were very patriotic. Once the principal was inbound (actually before) shit got real. Everything became super serious. And even during the frat house stage, nobody was chasing local national tail, that would get you canned. These guys had serious security clearances and they were seriously monitored. White House detail is a little different than travel detail. But I fully expect that it was the same way. It really is a heavy responsibility. When you figure out that it is your job to die so the principal won't - working the tech end that was pretty much explicitly my job - it hits you pretty heavily. And when that principal is the President of the United States, the leader of the free world? Yeah, it's something. I don't understand what I hear and read about it today.

Posted by: blaster at September 29, 2014 01:54 PM (OYEUO)

203 nood

Posted by: Hrothgar at September 29, 2014 01:55 PM (o3MSL)

204 I can say, with actual knowledge, that the Marine pilots who fly POTUS on Marine 1 are not selected based on Obama support, but service record and ratings.  If their personal politics were a selection issue, well...they've missed a few.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at September 29, 2014 01:58 PM (AaZLR)

205 Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez is a white man, right?

Posted by: bigdaddygeo at September 29, 2014 01:58 PM (jM7rA)

206 We don't want him or his family hurt in any way. That would make them martyrs, and we would never be rid of them. Also, Joe Biden.

Posted by: abbygirl at September 29, 2014 01:58 PM (iR4Dg)

207 205 Oscar Ramiro Ortega-Hernandez is a white man, right? Yes, and crazy as a loon. And from Idaho. So of course, the MSM said he was Tea Party.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at September 29, 2014 02:01 PM (HBAcW)

208 But we're sure he's not in there now, right? H/T Twitchy

Posted by: El Jefe at September 29, 2014 02:08 PM (haZDh)

209 his family runs a Mexican restaurant in Idaho Falls.  He has a lengthy arrest record (19), but has only ever served 2 nights in jail.  He is not islamic, he is a nut, his defense was that he was depressed.  His attorneys did not pled insanity.  Still might be OWS.  He had been living in DC for weeks

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 02:08 PM (zOTsN)

210 ok now I read that the shooter spent several weeks at the Occupy DC encampments

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 02:18 PM (zOTsN)

211 Great. Now, if only we could explain how Obama got into the White House.

Posted by: RKae at September 29, 2014 02:39 PM (CV0b+)

212 FenelonSpoke @ 121-
Dude, you are so right! The last line of each of my prayers is 'Please bless our enemies and our leaders, and turn them from their wicked ways.'.
And of course, I can remember the martyrdom of JFK and the raping of America that took place afterward.

Posted by: Erowmero at September 29, 2014 02:41 PM (go5uR)

213 "The real defense against a threat is not a locked door. It's a Secret Service agent." Wouldn't the best defense be some fancypants RFID type system so the doors are always unlocked for secret service, and always locked for anyone who doesn't have an access card? Better living through technology and all that jazz.

Posted by: Sayyid at September 29, 2014 03:00 PM (3PhCS)

214 "The real defense against a threat is not a locked door. It's a Secret Service agent." Wouldn't the best defense be some fancypants RFID type system so the doors are always unlocked for secret service, and always locked for anyone who doesn't have an access card? Better living through technology and all that jazz.

Posted by: Sayyid at September 29, 2014 03:00 PM (3PhCS)

215 That 2011 shooting incident was disclosed in a book that came out this summer, First Family Detail. I don't know why the press is just now catching onto something I read about weeks ago. According to the book's author, Ron Kessler, the Secret Service has had serious leadership problems for many years now.

Posted by: stace at September 29, 2014 04:21 PM (9PXzx)

216 210 ok now I read that the shooter spent several weeks at the Occupy DC encampments Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 07:18 PM (zOTsN) So yeah that may be the reason the press barely reported it at the time. Time once more to play: What if a Tea Partier Had Done That?

Posted by: stace at September 29, 2014 04:48 PM (9PXzx)

217 For what Obama intends to do with this nation in his last two years in office, Obama needs as many excuses of incompetence he can manufacture to escape getting lynched before and after leaving office.
I've long stated, when the leftists get us as weak as they think they can make us, and build up our enemies as much as they think they are able, then WWIII will break out, and we will be in ono condition to wage war.  Thank your demorats for bringing the desolation of the End Times on us and humanity.

Posted by: ron n. at September 29, 2014 05:00 PM (YVQn/)

218 I cannot believe that there isn't a simple technology fix that would improve security without decreasing access to the SS. Seriously, we can send a rover to Mars, but can't figure out how to lock the outside door to the White House? These people are protecting in theory, the most important person in the country. You don't need upper management telling you that your role is important, you should grok that from jump street. If you don't, you're too stupid to do this job.

Posted by: Shaking my head at September 29, 2014 05:19 PM (adOUE)

219 Can we add to this the whole white house party crasher episodes of 2009ish

Posted by: Uninvited Guest at September 29, 2014 06:08 PM (6Hspk)

220 I don't remember where, but I recall reading a few years ago that the Obamas didn't trust white Secret Service agents.

Posted by: rickl at September 29, 2014 06:54 PM (sdi6R)


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Now we're getting there. The incompetence is the result of affirmative action in hiring, promotions, and details such as Presidential security. The affirmative action would have been done anyway and probably was under previous Presidents, but just coincidentally happens to select people for Obama loyalty. I have no doubt they've stepped up the AA to include people based on sexual orientation, eleventy! on race and gender, etc.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at September 29, 2014 06:29 PM (HubSo)

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