April 30, 2013

Welfare Princelings: Tsarnaev Family Received $100,000 on the Dole
— Ace

It would be hard to believe, except it's not at all.

The Tsarnaev family, including the suspected terrorists and their parents, benefited from more than $100,000 in taxpayer-funded assistance — a bonanza ranging from cash and food stamps to Section 8 housing from 2002 to 2012, the Herald has learned.

“The breadth of the benefits the family was receiving was stunning,” said a person with knowledge of documents handed over to a legislative committee today…

The Herald notes, and AllahPundit underlines, that even Democrats are vowing to be in the forefront of the inquiry to find out how much money went into terrorist pockets.

He also links this old Kausfiles piece about the linkage of welfare and terrorism.

After noting that many 9/11 terrorists enjoyed the generosity of the West's welfare states...

The point isn't simply that many terrorists take advantage of Western welfare states, the same way they take advantage of Western freedoms and Western technology. The point is that extreme anti-social terrorist ideologies (radical Islam, in particular) seem to breed in "oppositional" cultures supported by various government welfare benefits.

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In fact, there's a good argument that "welfare benefits + ethnic antagonism" is the universal recipe for an underclass with an angry, oppositional culture. The social logic is simple: Ethnic differences make it easy for those outside of, for example, French Arab neighborhoods to discriminate against those inside, and easy for those inside to resent the mainstream culture around them. Meanwhile, relatively generous welfare benefits enable those in the ethnic ghetto to stay there, stay unemployed, and seethe. Without government subsidies, they would have to overcome the prejudice against them and integrate into the mainstream working culture. Work, in this sense, is anti-terrorist medicine. (And if you work all day, there's less time to dream up ways and reasons to kill infidels.)

I think there's a sociological reason at play too. People will find something in their lives that gives them meaning.

For many people, work does give their lives meaning. Few like work, but most understand the accomplishment of standing on one's own feet and providing for oneself (and one's family).

The welfare state may put food in one's mouth, but it does so at the expense at stripping a sense of accomplishment, belonging, and meaning from the recipient. And that void will be filled by something else. While people do not require meaning, as a strict biological matter, as they require food, water, air, and shelter, they do crave it-- it's probably on the level, as far as centrality to one's being, as sex.

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1 not first

Posted by: gay assault terrorist flounder at April 30, 2013 06:53 AM (Kkt/i)

2 OK maybe

Posted by: assault flounder at April 30, 2013 06:53 AM (Kkt/i)

3 Not to be a downer, but that is $100,000 over ten years.  Or about $10,000 a year.  Not quite as stunning of a headline when you look at it that way.

Posted by: Tux the Penguin at April 30, 2013 06:54 AM (8y9MW)

4 What about medical care? Scholarships and grants to schools and colleges? What about when his wife delivered her baby? Who paid for all the prenatal and hospital bills? Did she receive WIC? They got a lot more than they are alleging they did.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at April 30, 2013 06:54 AM (1hBkG)

5 In the UK they are too pussified to kick out terrorists and instead put them up in million dollar homes and give them monthly stipends.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at April 30, 2013 06:54 AM (1hBkG)

6 We keep saying that we will reform the welfare State but all they do is change the program.  Remember Clinton taking credit for welfare reform that Newt did?


Actually all they did was take it from adults and then give it to the 'children".

Posted by: Vic at April 30, 2013 06:55 AM (53z96)

7 $100 grand is just ten grand a year.  Obviously that's why the Tsarnaev's were unhappy.

If we had been more generous they wouldn't hate America.

Posted by: Lucky Pierre at April 30, 2013 06:55 AM (5fSr7)

8

Who ain't on the dole? 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 06:55 AM (wbmaj)

9 Tux, if they received one fucking dollar, it was too much

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 30, 2013 06:56 AM (R8hU8)

10 Work is a four letter word.  As is "shit." 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 06:56 AM (wbmaj)

11 Man, headlines like this totally put me in the mood for more AMNESTY talk!!!

Right Rubio, you fucking lying dickface?

Posted by: Warden at April 30, 2013 06:57 AM (0DlnM)

12 Without government subsidies, they would have to overcome the prejudice against them and integrate into the mainstream working culture. That, or GTFO & go home.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2013 06:57 AM (GFM2b)

13 Work requirement?  Bomb making. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 06:57 AM (wbmaj)

14 Who was paying for the shits tuition and board? Don't tell me they only got 10k a year.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at April 30, 2013 06:57 AM (1hBkG)

15

The article mentions the French muslim neighborhoods.  Recall, these are the neighborhoods where locals flip over cars, burn things, etc. - every few years.

 

But the locals want for nothing.  Every basic need is met.  Housing, an allowance, food, education through Ph.D. if you have the grades, healthcare.  Every basic need. 

 

Why,then, do they riot?  Two reasons:

 

1. People without jobs are people without hope.

2. Jihad.  When all else fails - and even when it doesn't - blame the infidels. 

 

 

 

 

Posted by: RobM1981 at April 30, 2013 06:58 AM (FgxCS)

16 And Ace us up early and swinging for the fences. And I completely agree about how the welfare state strips recipients of its largesse of the meaning of their lives.

Posted by: Penfold at April 30, 2013 06:58 AM (Fbt5B)

17 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a malignant traitor.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 30, 2013 06:58 AM (/PCJa)

18

They are supposed refugees.  Yet, they go back to the fucking place they are "running from" to visit...

 

Yeah, we need comprehensive immigration reform like we need anal rape. 

 

Fucking joke.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 30, 2013 06:59 AM (tVTLU)

19 I can't believe that they tried to withhold this info and are still not forthcoming about it. Apparently, these assholes were not the perfect neighbors, either.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at April 30, 2013 06:59 AM (1hBkG)

20 Apart from the welfare sponging, girlfriend beating and blowing up little kids, they were just a couple of alienated kids trying to fit in. Kids with hopes and dreams, just like you and me.

Posted by: Warden at April 30, 2013 06:59 AM (0DlnM)

21 For many people, work does give their lives meaning. Few like work, but most understand the accomplishment of standing on one's own feet and providing for oneself (and one's family). I asked this morning why I was bothering to work and take care of myself. This is a major part of why. It may be a little life but it's mine. I did do that and I can sort of kind of take care of myself and, yes, I do have pride in that. Earning something means more than being given something.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Please? at April 30, 2013 06:59 AM (VtjlW)

22 Gosnell is gonna walk.  "If the kid don't chirp, he ain't a perp."  The late Johnnie Cochran. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 06:59 AM (wbmaj)

23 Sorry, but $1000 per month in combined welfare isn't a "stunning" amount.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2013 07:00 AM (piMMO)

24 For many people, work does give their lives meaning. Few like work, but most understand the accomplishment of standing on one's own feet and providing for oneself (and one's family).

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Mom did run her 'small spa business' out of her home thereby avoiding taxes.  So she had that going for her......

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 30, 2013 07:00 AM (X6akg)

25 That is what is wrong with our immigration policy  or I should say,   the immigrants who come here now.  Just as we now have more citizen takers than givers , it appears that the majority of people who want to immigrate here or other western nations base it on what type of handouts are available to them.

Posted by: polynikes at April 30, 2013 07:00 AM (m2CN7)

26 To dream, the American dream......

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:00 AM (wbmaj)

27 Did they have Obama phones?

Posted by: teh Wind at April 30, 2013 07:00 AM (JIMJN)

28 If we hadn't given them citizenship and welfare benefits, they would have been forced to make those bombs from the shadows. So, really, it was worth it. Because, shadows.

Posted by: Warden at April 30, 2013 07:00 AM (0DlnM)

29 $10k/yr for able-bodied non-cutizens who have the resources to travel overseas seems like plenty to me. Someone needs to make Rubio, McCain et al address this

Posted by: Y-not from has spoken at April 30, 2013 07:00 AM (5H6zj)

30 Chump change.  Wait until the taxpayers get the bill for his hospital bills and his high profile defense attorney.  It is unfathomable to me how this douchebag gets this woman appointed to his case who successfully defended Jared Loughner and the Unabomber from receiving the death penalty and who is based out of CA.  In my opinion, he should have a Boston based public defender representing him.  If he and his family can't afford this lawyer, then the taxpayers shouldn't be footing the bill for her either.  Absolutely disgusting. 

Posted by: runningrn at April 30, 2013 07:00 AM (MZrpY)

31 Not to be a downer, but that is $100,000 over ten years. Or about $10,000 a year. Not quite as stunning of a headline when you look at it that way.

Posted by: Tux the Penguin at April 30, 2013 11:54 AM (8y9MW)



Bullocks.

I'd gladly take $10/year for the low low price of NO WORK WHATSOEVER.

Also consider in aggregate what this means for the country as a whole (how many on food stamps again?)

And this is just welfare as I'm reading it, so it may not include other non "welfare" things they got (like tuition payments.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 30, 2013 07:00 AM (cdwHs)

32 Yeah, we need comprehensive immigration reform like we need anal rape.

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Now you understand. Enjoy!

Posted by: Your Ruling Class at April 30, 2013 07:00 AM (eEfYn)

33 I heard someone on the radio the other day also pointing out that the reason Islamic Terrorists get on welfare (besides the free time) is some Islamic notion of taxes paid by subjugated peoples (I can't remember the term).  Apparently, such taxes can't just be paid, they have to be paid in a way that makes it clear the conquered people know they're lower than dog-crap.  Apparently Islam has decided that Welfare fits that bill- that is, that the US is proclaiming its worthlessness in comparison to Islam by giving welfare benefits to Muslims.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 30, 2013 07:01 AM (/PCJa)

34 I could use an extra 10 grand a year.

But I guess I'm one of the idiots who just pays into the system without getting something back.  I gotta ditch this whole Protestant Work Ethic thing and start getting some of that sweet government swag.

Posted by: Vizzini [/i] at April 30, 2013 07:01 AM (O7Q1u)

35 The welfare state may put food in one's mouth, but it does so at the expense at stripping a sense of accomplishment, belonging, and meaning from the recipient. Surely, a Nobel Peace Prize made up for it.

Posted by: t-bird at April 30, 2013 07:01 AM (FcR7P)

36 @20 And the drug-dealing

Posted by: Y-not from has spoken at April 30, 2013 07:02 AM (5H6zj)

37 Look at his damn teeth. They're nicer than mine. I don't think that came from the homeland.

Posted by: Ktgreat at April 30, 2013 07:02 AM (PjVyy)

38 'Jihad Seeker's Allowance' as one muslim leader in the UK calls it.

Posted by: obamuh at April 30, 2013 07:02 AM (rNS5g)

39 Who ain't on the dole? Me. SWMNK. I don't qualify for shit. Yet, I am expected to PAY for everyone.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2013 07:02 AM (GFM2b)

40 On the up-side, they contributed to pressure cooker sales.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 30, 2013 07:02 AM (lVPtV)

41 They were just doing the job American terrorists won't do.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at April 30, 2013 07:02 AM (JQuNB)

42 I really think it wise to get all the facts before passing judgement on this. Otherwise, you may have to back off your earlier statements and look like a fool. A newspaper is a questionable source, as opposed to the Secretary of Defense for example.

Posted by: Chuck Hagel at April 30, 2013 07:02 AM (4eNxd)

43

The welfare state may put food in one's mouth, but it does so at the expense at stripping a sense of accomplishment, belonging, and meaning from the recipient. And that void will be filled by something else. While people do not require meaning, as a strict biological matter, as they require food, water, air, and shelter, they do crave it-- it's probably on the level, as far as centrality to one's being, as sex.

 

I wish I could remember who wrote it originally, but someone wiser than  me once laid out the psychological advantages to work, how it replaced  the Overwhelming Urge which would normally be  directed  at  others in the form of violence, as we have seen.

 

Capitalism and work provide a healthy outlet for energy while at the same time providing benefits for oneself,  one's family,   and others (even if inadvertently or indirectly).  This  aspect, for some unexplained  reason, is never  spoken about much.

 

Perhaps it should be.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 30, 2013 07:03 AM (+z4pE)

44 #39  Just start lying on all applications--or claim you just landed here from Chechnya. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:03 AM (wbmaj)

45 Dhimmis pay the jizya (tax).

Posted by: RioBravo at April 30, 2013 07:03 AM (eEfYn)

46 The Chums from Cheech n Chong resented that they were not annoited with oil and gifted banker lifestyles...

of course Tflashbang tried to get into Pro-Am Herbal remedy sales from what i gather

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 30, 2013 07:03 AM (LRFds)

47 Check out today's Shorpy

http://is.gd/g6nmHb

Posted by: Vic at April 30, 2013 07:03 AM (53z96)

48

The Herald notes, and AllahPundit underlines, that even Democrats are vowing to be in the forefront of the inquiry to find out how much money went into terrorist pockets.

 

Sound and fury signifying nothing.

 

They'll playact the niceties and platitudes, but nothing will come of it.  At least not   from   Democrats, and probably not from the Republicans.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at April 30, 2013 07:03 AM (4df7R)

49 In United State we pay you to be bomber, komrade!

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at April 30, 2013 07:03 AM (f9c2L)

50

runningrn, it occurs to me that there were probably several uber liberal lawyers from all over the country just drooling at the chance to represent him. When, in fact, there should have been 0 lawyers that wanted to represent him and the one he finally got should have been some poor Boston public defender who drew the short straw.

 

 

Not attention whore attorneys who get their rocks off (or in her case the equivalent) by getting evil men lesser sentences for their crimes.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at April 30, 2013 07:03 AM (RZ8pf)

51 Give me your poor, your tired, your welfare grubbing Muslim filth that spit on our culture and blow up our children....

Posted by: Warden at April 30, 2013 07:03 AM (0DlnM)

52 This reinforces what many conservatives have long maintained about charity versus welfare/entitlements. Voluntary charity ennobles the giver and teaches the receiver gratitude. Involuntary welfare/entitlements breed resentment in both.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at April 30, 2013 07:04 AM (51kjJ)

53

The older brother was driving a Mercedes.  Its  obvious  he   had backers.   

Posted by: polynikes at April 30, 2013 07:04 AM (m2CN7)

54 We subsidize terror training at home and abroad with welfare.  Perfect.  I'm off to use by EBT card to grab some booze and porno dvds.  Wat' up, bro? 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:05 AM (wbmaj)

55 I saw a comment on the Boston Herald message board this a.m. that welfare for this family started under Jane Swift (R) and continued under Mitt Romney.  So obviously, the Republicans' fault.  Another commenter, to my delight, pointed out that the Tsarnevs weren't on the CIA terror watch list when they were receiving welfare (s they were when Deval Patrick was governor).

Posted by: runningrn at April 30, 2013 07:05 AM (MZrpY)

56 Coexist.  It's the only way. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:05 AM (wbmaj)

57 “The breadth of the benefits the family was receiving was stunning,” said a person with knowledge of documents handed over to a legislative committee today… Tip o' the iceberg. Go into any ghetto and it's funny how all these uneducated people who can't even string together a sentence in coherent English, many of them on drugs or with alcohol problems all turn into brilliantly inventive geniuses when it comes to welfare scamming. If they would put half of that ingeniousness into actually DOING SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE WITH THEIR LIVES, we'd all be better off.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at April 30, 2013 07:05 AM (7ObY1)

58 53 Polynikes,

Yeah every college kid who bought drugs off them...sure they had backers but never underestimate how free market the actual welfare recipients *are* they just like shadow not sunshine economies....

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 30, 2013 07:06 AM (LRFds)

59 I want to know more about Mrs Flat Bomber's family.

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2013 07:06 AM (5H6zj)

60

The emptiness that welfare creates in its recipients dovestails nicely with yesterday's about hatred and villication being the Dems' main get-out-the-vote engine.

 

If your life has no meaning and you have no accomplishments, hatred can fill that void. It explains why your average Obama voter hates the people whose taxes refill their EBT card. It explains why Obama, who coasted through life thanks to what he looked like, hates the country that was dumb enough to twice elect him.

Posted by: Jack Nine at April 30, 2013 07:06 AM (0h8aq)

61 Islam for Dummies.  On sale now. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:06 AM (wbmaj)

62 The Left will never understand that self-sufficiency MATTERS.

Posted by: Biblio at April 30, 2013 07:06 AM (7o8VY)

63

I  work so I don't spend money.

 

If you don't work, you soon find out  that filling that down time costs money. 

Posted by: polynikes at April 30, 2013 07:06 AM (m2CN7)

64 On a related note: Major Hasan is still drawing a breath and a salary

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 30, 2013 07:06 AM (9Bj8R)

65 30 Chump change. Wait until the taxpayers get the bill for his hospital bills and his high profile defense attorney. It is unfathomable to me how this douchebag gets this woman appointed to his case who successfully defended Jared Loughner and the Unabomber from receiving the death penalty and who is based out of CA. In my opinion, he should have a Boston based public defender representing him. If he and his family can't afford this lawyer, then the taxpayers shouldn't be footing the bill for her either. Absolutely disgusting. Posted by: runningrn He is being represented by the Federal Public Defender out of Boston. Judy Clark has been contracted out to be second chair. Capital cases are required to have two attys. He's going to have two older women defending him, so expect the puppy dog defense. Then again, I be they hammer him to plead for a no death sentence. Personally, I would prefer he be sentenced to death. He's not going to end up in ADMAX forever if at all.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at April 30, 2013 07:07 AM (1hBkG)

66 ace, we all know that this poor immigrant had brain damage from his boxing and that is the reason he went nuts. PLEASE get with the new narrative, it had nothing, nothing, I tell you, to do with his religion, the one of peace that stones ghey basketball players to death.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 30, 2013 07:07 AM (wR+pz)

67

In fact, there's a good argument that "stifling regulation + media antagonism" is the universal recipe for a working class with an angry, oppositional culture. The social logic is simple: Cultural differences make it easy for those outside of, for example, Jesus flyover land to discriminate against those inside, and easy for those inside to resent the mainstream culture around them.

Posted by: SpongeBob Saget at April 30, 2013 07:08 AM (epxV4)

68 Welfare has become protection money.        How can you expect to give people money for nothing as long as they shut up, and not have them resent you?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2013 07:08 AM (aq5Dc)

69 "Not to be a downer, but that is $100,000 over ten years. Or about $10,000 a year. Not quite as stunning of a headline when you look at it that way."

Well, we could divide it by the month and make it inconsequential, like the car salesmen describing your monthly payment.

The government was giving them enough to buy a brand new car every other year.

(I would call you a moron, but around here that's a badge of honor.)

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at April 30, 2013 07:08 AM (51kjJ)

70

For many people, work does give their lives meaning. Few like work, but most understand the accomplishment of standing on one's own feet and providing for oneself (and one's family).

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This is very true. Welfare programs for the able-bodied are patronizing. They serve only to make the giver feel superior. The recipient knows this and grows more resentful of the very giver of the free stuff; like an absentee father who gives his kid every material gift, but not his time, love or affection.

Posted by: Liberty Lover at April 30, 2013 07:08 AM (encrR)

71 On a related note: Major Hasan is still drawing a breath and a salary **** I did not need that little reminder today.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2013 07:08 AM (piMMO)

72 64 On a related note: Major Hasan is still drawing a breath and a salary Posted by: Nevergiveup What the fuck is the military thinking? He should have been convicted by now. I hope some of the victims or their families have sued this asshole so they get some of his salary.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at April 30, 2013 07:08 AM (1hBkG)

73 #64  What, you want the death penalty for a litttle workplace violence?  I say some more diversity training should take care of his problem. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:08 AM (wbmaj)

74 Haven't been around here much.  Wondered if you guys say Jeanine Pirro's rant?  The lefty/libs are starting to watch it and that finally got fox to post it.  It's being discussed now.  http://tinyurl.com/d8n229m

Also, I'm hearing people talk about immigration, open borders IRL.  Odd thing though, they assume everyone "sneaking in illegally" is Mexican or spanish.   It's a huge shock to them when you tell them it could be anyone from anywhere.

Posted by: Caustic at April 30, 2013 07:08 AM (/b8+5)

75 If they would put half of that ingeniousness into actually DOING SOMETHING PRODUCTIVE WITH THEIR LIVES, we'd all be better off.


Posted by: BlueStateRebel at April 30, 2013 12:05 PM (7ObY1)

 

That goes for at least 1/3 of the    criminals who go to prison every year, I swear.    If    only    a small fraction of them    would   decide      to use those cunning little brains of theirs to do something GOOD, instead of something BAD.   

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at April 30, 2013 07:08 AM (4df7R)

76 Hey, our system is only too glad to give money to anyone who rolls up with their hand out. There are undoubtedly gang members who have grown up on handouts, welfare leeches who sneak into the country and set up shop to get them. Am I supposed to be outrageously outraged that these two particular scumbags got them, or that they didn't say 'thank you?' The fact is that gummint handouts don't come with a demand for gratitude, quite the opposite. We're supposed to pay out in penance for the evil of our country, and the recipients are programmed to feel entitled to it and contemptuous of the country and people that gives it to them.

Posted by: zsasz at April 30, 2013 07:09 AM (MMC8r)

77 That's nothing compared to what we're paying Obama.

Posted by: garrett at April 30, 2013 07:09 AM (Fc+pi)

78 Uh, guys, if I won the lottery I would not snub it because it isn't real work.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at April 30, 2013 07:09 AM (1hBkG)

79

The older brother was driving a Mercedes.Its obvious he had backers

 

 

Not so fast, slick!  There are tons of people who do not work, living in subsidized housing on food stamps and Medicaid that have much nicer rides than me!  And tires...with awesome rims...and popping sound systems...and hydraulics to make their cars go up and down...Escalades, Mercedes, Beemers, you name it. 

Posted by: runningrn at April 30, 2013 07:09 AM (MZrpY)

80 Sorry, but $1000 per month in combined welfare isn't a "stunning" amount.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2013 12:00 PM (piMMO



$1k/month would more than plug the budget holes created by my current predicament.  So while not stunning it is still a substantial sum of money.

I'd also argue it's only not stunning because we've become desensitized to the notion of high welfare payouts.

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 30, 2013 07:09 AM (cdwHs)

81

Basic law of Human Nature... if you want 'More' of somthing?  Reward it...

 

If you want 'Less' of somthing... punish it...

 

Our Government now Rewards the weak and the indigent... or those who scam the system into thinking they are weak...

 

While the successful worker pays higher taxes.

 

 

/some assembly required...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 30, 2013 07:10 AM (lZBBB)

82 What happened to Khalid Sheikh Mohmammed?  Is he on welfare too? 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:10 AM (wbmaj)

83 69 Nicholas Kronos,

Like I said earlier today have 20 members of the horde get 10gs through fraud pool it over ten years and do mayhem...

you like the idea of me planning summer fun with 2 million dollars if I am a bad guy?

No?

Yeah i am not fond of people like Jihadi Jim doing so either....

Tspeedbump and Tflashbang were given "Make a Wish" money by the state of MA...unfortunately their wish was to kill 8 year olds

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 30, 2013 07:10 AM (LRFds)

84 I compared my grocery purchases to the woman in front of me using her EBT card yesterday. My cart had only store brands. Hers had only name brands. My cart had staples. Hers had convenience foods. My cart had one pound of ground beef. Hers had five pounds of T-bone steak. Obviously this means I'm raysis.

Posted by: Harrison Bergeron at April 30, 2013 07:11 AM (JQuNB)

85

The welfare state may put food in one's mouth, but it does so at the expense at stripping a sense of accomplishment, belonging, and meaning from the recipient. And that void will be filled by something else. While people do not require meaning, as a strict biological matter, as they require food, water, air, and shelter, they do crave it-- it's probably on the level, as far as centrality to one's being, as sex.

 

Amen to that, Ace.  And what still amazes me is that it took less than 50 years for cultural  attitudes to degrade  from "oh, God, I wish we weren't so poor that we have to use food stamps.  I hope nobody I know sees me," to EBT cards and Obamapho! Lady.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 30, 2013 07:11 AM (zF6Iw)

86 It's a huge shock to them when you tell them it could be anyone from anywhere. Posted by: Caustic at April 30, 2013 12:08 PM (/b8+5) Right you are. Thanks to Canada's decades-long push to increase their population by any means neccessary,, there are TONS of Muzzies up there. And, sadly, our southern border is a bastion of security compared to our "safe" northern border. Last week, the Norks busted those two terrorists in Quebec who were planning to blow up a train that runs through my neighborhood in NY. There are a hell of a lot more Islamic radicals up there.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at April 30, 2013 07:11 AM (7ObY1)

87 @79 The new bust will be sub prime car loans financing GMC's sales. Ever notice all the brothers got themselves GM cars? That's why. GM's finance unit never met a bad customer.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 30, 2013 07:12 AM (wR+pz)

88 Reward destructive behavior, you get more and more and more of it.  Imagine that. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:12 AM (wbmaj)

89 20 A"part from the welfare sponging, girlfriend beating and blowing up little kids, they were just a couple of alienated kids trying to fit in. Kids with hopes and dreams, just like you and me." Posted by: Warden Exactly, it's Holden Caulfield all over again.

Posted by: NYTimes for Dummies at April 30, 2013 07:12 AM (ynec7)

90 Coexist my ass. Here's my coexist: http://tinyurl.com/czbvbsg

Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2013 07:12 AM (GFM2b)

91 yes on that last paragraph, Ace. yes, yes, yes. So we taxpayers are paying to get ourselves blown up? Did anybody say it yet today? We're so boned.

Posted by: L, elle at April 30, 2013 07:12 AM (0PiQ4)

92

He is being represented by the Federal Public Defender out of Boston. Judy Clark has been contracted out to be second chair. Capital cases are required to have two attys. He's going to have two older women defending him, so expect the puppy dog defense. Then again, I be they hammer him to plead for a no death sentence. Personally, I would prefer he be sentenced to death. He's not going to end up in ADMAX forever if at all.

 

Why not 2 Boston public defenders?  Why do we have to pony up the cash for what's going to be a very expensive defense? 

I would be quite happy if he gets sentenced to supermax and is left with the resident general population for a week or two, however long it takes for a little prison justice to naturally occur. 

Posted by: runningrn at April 30, 2013 07:13 AM (MZrpY)

93 The unvarnished truth is that the Democrats don't give a damn, except that it makes them look bad. Not as bad as they are, but worse than they like.

Posted by: maddogg at April 30, 2013 07:13 AM (OlN4e)

94 82 What happened to Khalid Sheikh Mohmammed? Is he on welfare too? Posted by: Fourth Virginia I wonder if he or any of the other "high value detainees" are on the hunger strike. Expect that to get a lot more attention. It started all because they had their living quaters searched which tells me they were hiding something. Would you believe they had just bought them all personal dvd players? lol!

Posted by: Waldo Truth at April 30, 2013 07:13 AM (1hBkG)

95

Gosnell is gonna walk. "If the kid don't chirp, he ain't a perp." The late Johnnie Cochran.

 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 11:59 AM (wbmaj)

 

Gosnell's gonna walk because race uber alles.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 30, 2013 07:13 AM (zF6Iw)

96 #86  Yes, it's not Canada anymore.  It's now Canadistan. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:13 AM (wbmaj)

97 Last week, the Norks busted those two terrorists in Quebec OMG, North Korea's coming at us over the Pole! Sneaky bastards.

Posted by: zsasz at April 30, 2013 07:13 AM (MMC8r)

98 84 I compared my grocery purchases to the woman in front of me using her EBT card yesterday. My cart had only store brands. Hers had only name brands. My cart had staples. Hers had convenience foods. My cart had one pound of ground beef. Hers had five pounds of T-bone steak. Obviously this means I'm raysis. I was buying store brand cranberry juice at buy-one-get-one. In the line I noticed the, ahem, dusky woman behind me had one of the name brand juices in her cart. I said, you know, they have the store brand at BOGO. She flashed her EBT card at me and said, and I quote, "Dat means nuffin to me."

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at April 30, 2013 07:13 AM (7ObY1)

99 What happened to Khalid Sheikh Mohmammed? Is he on welfare too?

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 12:10 PM (wbmaj)



He is getting free housing and meals...




at GITMO.

Posted by: Vic at April 30, 2013 07:13 AM (53z96)

100

I compared my grocery purchases to the woman in front of me using her EBT card yesterday. My cart had only store brands. Hers had only name brands. My cart had staples. Hers had convenience foods. My cart had one pound of ground beef. Hers had five pounds of T-bone steak.

Obviously this means I'm raysis

 

Yes, and even worse, you are guilty of class envy...

Posted by: runningrn at April 30, 2013 07:14 AM (MZrpY)

101 I would bet they communicated via Obamaphones, also paid for by the taxpayer. The Democrats don't give a fuck about that either.

Posted by: maddogg at April 30, 2013 07:14 AM (OlN4e)

102 Also, after eight hours of flipping burgers most people want to watch the tube and unwind. There isn't as much time for making bombs and trawling jihad sites.

Posted by: Ernst Blofeld at April 30, 2013 07:14 AM (XZWie)

103 The $100K they are talking about is a guess. They will not say the real numbers. It is way past 100K. Four people on welfare for ten years. Food stamps, free phones, free housing, free medical care and free heating oil.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 30, 2013 07:14 AM (wR+pz)

104 OMG, North Korea's coming at us over the Pole! Sneaky bastards. Up here, it's common to call Canadians "Norks." Short for Nordiques.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at April 30, 2013 07:14 AM (7ObY1)

105 It is worth noting that Osama Bin Laden sought to recruit terrorists (for export) from countries where grants and fees for their overseas education would be paid for by their native states:
"It would be nice if you would pick a number of the brothers, not to exceed ten, and send them to their countries individually, without any of them knowing the others, to study aviation. It would better if they were from the Gulf states, as study there is at the governments expense.."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2013 07:14 AM (aDwsi)

106 #95  So true.  Dream team my----it was the fucking jury pool and panel that ended that trial before it even started. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:14 AM (wbmaj)

107 The problem was that the poor Tsarnaevs were underpaid on benefits. If we'd tripled their payments, they'd be happy and content youth volunteering for OFA

Posted by: Paul Krugman, Super Genius at April 30, 2013 07:15 AM (mCvL4)

108 sven: Right. And it's tax free.

I'd like to have an extra 10 grand to sock in my retirement fund every year.

Posted by: Nicholas Kronos at April 30, 2013 07:15 AM (51kjJ)

109

Not to be a downer, but that is $100,000 over ten years. Or about $10,000 a year. Not quite as stunning of a headline when you look at it that way.

---

You can also look at it as they were being subsidized for an entire decade. That's a hell of a long time to be a taker.

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 30, 2013 07:15 AM (SO2Q8)

110 not working also prevents assimilation

Posted by: thunderb at April 30, 2013 07:15 AM (nH8jP)

111

I was buying store brand cranberry juice at buy-one-get-one. In the line I noticed the, ahem, dusky woman behind me had one of the name brand juices in her cart. I said, you know, they have the store brand at BOGO. She flashed her EBT card at me and said, and I quote, "Dat means nuffin to me."

 

 

Nice!  Sucking off the gubamint teat means never having to buy generic or off brand.  It's nice to see that she's truly grateful for that too. 

Posted by: runningrn at April 30, 2013 07:15 AM (MZrpY)

112 Although it is too late now considering that the election was last fall, it's beginning to feel a lot like Carter. What I remember most about Carter was not the individual catastrophes but the atmosphere that everything was going bad everywhere. Now we have immigrants on welfare launching an Islamic terrorist attack while Syria may or may not be using chemical weapons and nobody can talk about the Benghazi embarrassment or cover up while economy is puttering along and Obama is primarily concerned preventing discrimination against gays in professional sports and doubling down and all of the failed psuedo-solutions of the past.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2013 07:15 AM (hyB08)

113 The Left will never understand that self-sufficiency MATTERS.

Posted by: Biblio at April 30, 2013 12:06 PM (7o8VY)

 

The left perceives "self-sufficiency" as something very different from the right's view.    To the right, self-sufficiency means, correctly, that a person is able to support themselves and their family    without needing to depend on the government for any assistance.  If the government disappeared tomorrow, a self-sufficient individual wouldn't have to worry about what to do when their welfare check didn't arrive that month.   They might have to worry about the complete breakdown of   law and order as the Free Shit Army takes to the street   in petulant rage, but that's completely beside the point.

 

The LEFT perceives "self-sufficiency" as being able to do things you want to do because the government has already     taken care of    the necessities.     You don't need to work because the government gives you a welfare check,  and money for food, and a free    phone,   and subsidized    loans for college,    and cheap or free housing, and extra money for every kid you pop out like a Pez dispenser,     and more money if you're   "disabled," and   "free" healthcare and    everything.    You don't have to worry about    providing    any of THOSE things   for yourself or your family.       You're free to spend your days living out your dream of being a photographer, or an artist, or a welfare cheat grifter fraud, without having to worry about where your next meal comes from.   THAT'S the left's idea of "self sufficient."  

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at April 30, 2013 07:15 AM (4df7R)

114 Up here, it's common to call Canadians "Norks." Short for Nordiques. Posted by: BlueStateRebel at April 30, 2013 12:14 PM (7ObY1) What? When did they stop being "Frogs"?

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 30, 2013 07:16 AM (wR+pz)

115

Not to be a downer, but that is $100,000 over ten years. Or about $10,000 a year. Not quite as stunning of a headline when you look at it that way.

 

It's 100k tax free.  There's that little perk, too!

Posted by: runningrn at April 30, 2013 07:16 AM (MZrpY)

116 I would say the $100k is complete and utter bull shit. North of a $1m is more in the ball park.

Posted by: Attila at April 30, 2013 07:16 AM (Cs2tJ)

117

10,000 a year is not a huge figure

 

but why were they receiving it for 10 TEN years

Posted by: thunderb at April 30, 2013 07:16 AM (nH8jP)

118 as I said elsewhere last night...

$100k over 10 years?

Come on! That’s only $10k per year.

Who hasn’t taken $10k per year worth of free shit from a country while bitching about how much said country sucks before eventually blowing up bombs at a sporting event to protest said country’s evil, amirite?


Posted by: wiserbud at April 30, 2013 07:16 AM (WCe8r)

119 100
I compared my grocery purchases to the woman in front of me using her EBT card yesterday. My cart had only store brands. Hers had only name brands. My cart had staples. Hers had convenience foods. My cart had one pound of ground beef. Hers had five pounds of T-bone steak.

Obviously this means I'm raysis

Yes, and even worse, you are guilty of class envy...

Posted by: runningrn at April 30, 2013 12:14 PM (MZrpY)

 

 

I know this is true, Runningrn. I have seen it myself.

Posted by: maddogg at April 30, 2013 07:17 AM (OlN4e)

120 I read somewhere that the wife worked as a home healthcare aid and he watched the child.  The author intimated that she worked at this job like 24/7.  Did she work off the books?


Posted by: Caustic at April 30, 2013 07:17 AM (/b8+5)

121 Michigan's republican governor put in a four year limit on welfare. The libs are all upset about it because, well, you really can't expect someone to get job training in just 4 years. Especially if they are also planning out terrorist acts. I wonder how many "alienated" welfare youths there are in Dearbornistan.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 30, 2013 07:17 AM (ynec7)

122

Uh, guys, if I won the lottery I would not snub it because it isn't real work.

 

First- that's not an entitlement.  You were not entitled to that money, you purchased a winning ticket (by near-random chance).

 

Second- there is lots of anecdotal evidence (bordering on enough to become data) that people who win the lottery and then quit working wind up miserable.  There's a show dedicated to it: "The Lottery Ruined My Life."  Invariably, the people I've seen on it stopped doing anything productive to "follow [their] dream..." and then slipped into depression and a variety of other health problems (mental and physical).

 

Mankind was made to work.  There's just a part of us that takes satisfaction in making things and being able to take pride in our work.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 30, 2013 07:17 AM (/PCJa)

123 I was buying store brand cranberry juice at buy-one-get-one. In the line I noticed the, ahem, dusky woman behind me had one of the name brand juices in her cart. I said, you know, they have the store brand at BOGO. She flashed her EBT card at me and said, and I quote, "Dat means nuffin to me."

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at April 30, 2013 12:13 PM (7ObY1)



I would have said, "As a taxpayer, I have to buy this so you can buy that.  Yeah, this will end well."

Posted by: Tami [/i] at April 30, 2013 07:17 AM (X6akg)

124

And the cry from the liberals will be "but you're an evil republican who doesn't want to feed people!! You want people to starve!"

 

Otoh, if starving terrorists means fewer terrorists, that would be a plus.

 

 

Posted by: Boots at April 30, 2013 07:17 AM (oG66P)

125

The LEFT perceives "self-sufficiency" as being able to do things you want to do because the government has already taken care of the necessities

 

Yes, it's why artists will now be able to paint and sculpt at will without ever having to worry about the mundane concerns of life.  Consider all yourselves patrons of the arts!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at April 30, 2013 07:18 AM (MZrpY)

126 I was buying store brand cranberry juice at buy-one-get-one. In the line I noticed the, ahem, dusky woman behind me had one of the name brand juices in her cart. I said, you know, they have the store brand at BOGO. She flashed her EBT card at me and said, and I quote, "Dat means nuffin to me."

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at April 30, 2013 12:13 PM (7ObY1)


Milton Friedman's "The 4 ways you spend money" needs to be mandatory watching for everyone. At least once a year.  Clearly this is "spending someone else's money on yourself."

(Which to me still is stupid as shit.  I'd still want to maximize my utilization of it especially because I'm utilizing it for necessities.  Sure if my boss takes me out to dinner I'm going to spend like stupid because that's a treat.  Grocery shopping even with someone else's money is different for me at least.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 30, 2013 07:18 AM (cdwHs)

127 Can you use an EBT card to buy a pressure cooker? 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:18 AM (wbmaj)

128 It is way past 100K. Four people on welfare for ten years. Food stamps, free phones, free housing, free medical care and free heating oil. It's probably closer to $100k/year. $25k per person. Because you just KNOW that each one applied as "head of household".

Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2013 07:18 AM (GFM2b)

129 >Democrats are vowing to be in the forefront of the inquiry<

Pffft. Hehe. Hahahahahaha. Bwahahahahahaha-woooohoo.

Democrats are at the forefront of providing these benefits. Then telling us how these people are simply misunderstood. And it has nothing to do with Islam at all. Oh and that the terrorist has some type of TBI as a result of boxing- and that was a...factor.  Oh and terrorist #2 wasn't hugged enough, so generous taxpayer benefits will also now pay for his defense team which is stocking up on the countries biggest-scum defense lawyers.

Just curious, will Democrats vote to pay for all the victims injuries and lifelong treatment they will need? You know, before they vote to provide more "immigrants" citizenship, welfare benefits, public housing, free healthcare and anything else they deem a "right"?

F-them and the fake empathy.


Posted by: Marcus at April 30, 2013 07:18 AM (GGCsk)

130 Giving shit freely to our enemies? that's it, we're truly, for sure fucked.

Posted by: fastfreefall at April 30, 2013 07:18 AM (MPEti)

131 After WWII, the main youth terrorists were Italian, German and Japanese. No accident. Their shame at their forebears who ruined the world, and their present comfort, made them feel guilty. So they projected their shame on the US, who saved the world and transformed their loser countries, and blamed the Great Satan and then tried to destroy it.

The French, though, sat around cafes sipping coffee and philosophizing about why they were superior. Then they started in on the wine and fell into bed without accomplishing much at all. Which was a good thing.

Posted by: PJ at April 30, 2013 07:18 AM (ZWaLo)

132

Not so fast, slick! There are tons of people who do not work, living in subsidized housing on food stamps and Medicaid that have much nicer rides than me! And tires...with awesome rims...and popping sound systems...and hydraulics to make their cars go up and down...Escalades, Mercedes, Beemers, you name it.

 

While my little 22y/o truck sits out front because I can't yet afford a new  $250   brain for it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 30, 2013 07:19 AM (+z4pE)

133 $10k a year is what...500 pressure cookers? Or is that why they bought the designer brand?

Posted by: zsasz at April 30, 2013 07:19 AM (MMC8r)

134 So, as I'm sure has already been pointed out in the comments above, to add insult to injury, our tax money paid for the bomb components. Wonderful.

Posted by: Boomer Redneque, where the fuck's MY $100k edition at April 30, 2013 07:19 AM (k2SqU)

135

I wonder how many "alienated" welfare youths there are in Dearbornistan.

 

-- That would be all of them

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 30, 2013 07:19 AM (R8hU8)

136

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 30, 2013 12:15 PM (4df7R)

 

MWR, have I told you lately that I love you?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 30, 2013 07:20 AM (zF6Iw)

137

Oh and on that winning the lottery business, check out how many people have been murdered by friends/relatives once the "lucky" one wins the lottery.

 

There was one in Chicago last year, man was killed by cyanide.  They are still trying to figure out which relative did it.

 

There was one down in Florida recently, killed by his girlfriend.

 

Good times.

 

 

Posted by: Boots at April 30, 2013 07:20 AM (oG66P)

138

Gee, I just drove through west Philadelphia.  There were certainly a lot of able bodied young males congregating on street corners-in fron of liquor stores. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:20 AM (wbmaj)

139

I would say the $100k is complete and utter bull shit. North of a $1m is more in the ball park.

 

I agree!  I read in the Boston Herald this a.m. that there are 500 pages of welfare/benefits records on this family.  Apparently, they've been heavily redacted.  Soo-prise!

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi at April 30, 2013 07:20 AM (MZrpY)

140 130 Giving shit freely to our enemies? that's it, we're truly, for sure fucked.

Posted by: fastfreefall at April 30, 2013 12:18 PM (MPEti)

This is the micro version, there is also a macro version.

Posted by: Caustic at April 30, 2013 07:20 AM (/b8+5)

141 When I was the leader of the local Mormon congregation, I was in charge of dispensing assistance to the needy.  In the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, caring for the poor and needy is as important, but less visible than, missionary work. 

The difference between Church welfare and state welfare, is that the Church always looked to the individual first, family second, and only then would the Church step in to fill unmet needs.  The Church always required that the recipient commit to do work, in the form of labor, service, or in some cases spiritual work in exchange for help.  One important reason for this is the recognition that people are hurt spiritually when they get something for nothing, but they can learn a lot, and feel good about themselves when they are asked to give back.

Thank goodness Mitt Romney didn't win, or some of this subversive thinking might have seeped in to the Government's welfare programs.

http://www.lds.org/media-library/video/welfare

Posted by: Matt in Maine at April 30, 2013 07:20 AM (wOdJE)

142 Haven't been around here much. Wondered if you guys say Jeanine Pirro's rant? The lefty/libs are starting to watch it and that finally got fox to post it. It's being discussed now. http://tinyurl.com/d8n229m *** She always has a great rant, but this one was especially good.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2013 07:20 AM (piMMO)

143 Steve Cochran, on the radio here in Chicago, said that this welfare sponging was irrelevant and just proved the bombers were bad folks. Not a thought to the history of this kind of nonsense or the issue of "immigrants" and "refugees" on the dole.

Posted by: ejo at April 30, 2013 07:20 AM (GXvSO)

144 Barack Obama will look into it.

Posted by: Killface at April 30, 2013 07:20 AM (dr0xf)

145

Gee, I just drove through west Philadelphia. There were certainly a lot of able bodied young males congregating on street corners-in fron of liquor stores.

 

That's a lot of Fresh Princes right there!

Posted by: runningrn at April 30, 2013 07:21 AM (MZrpY)

146 Apparently, they've been heavily redacted. If the public is paying, it should be public record, no?

Posted by: zsasz at April 30, 2013 07:21 AM (MMC8r)

147

Can you use an EBT card to buy a pressure cooker?

 

I wouldn't be surprised.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 30, 2013 07:21 AM (/PCJa)

148 >>it's probably on the level, as far as centrality to one's being, as sex.



OK, everybody have a field day with this but it's more important than sex, think about it for a second before the reflexive snark.

And sex is pretty fucking central.

There are plenty of significant gaps in one's sex life over the decades of adulthood.

Without meaning to your life you're fucked even if you're fucked regularly.

....but if the thing that gives your life meaning is to randomly take innocent life, that's hideously fucked.

Posted by: ontherocks at April 30, 2013 07:21 AM (pk5WJ)

149 In Texas, not a bastion of generous welfare benefits,  SNAP pays a family of four about $700 per month maximum.  That is just slightly below my grocery budget, and I am not poor.     Something is very wrong with the system.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2013 07:22 AM (aq5Dc)

150 integrate into the mainstream working culture. *** Sounds suspiciously like e pluribus unum. We con't do that shit no more. Now it's all diversity.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2013 07:22 AM (hyB08)

151 While my little 22y/o truck sits out front because I can't yet afford a new $250 brain for it.
--------------

Hammer glances out the window at his second-hand '95 Chevy truck, wondering how much longer before a new clutch will be required.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2013 07:22 AM (aDwsi)

152 #145  I stopped to ask directions.  And one of the able bodied youg males pointed a gun at me.  I'm sure it wass a toy, but I drove off just the same.  Maybe I'll give Gosnell a ride home when he walks. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:22 AM (wbmaj)

153

Giving shit freely to our enemies? that's it, we're truly, for sure fucked.

 

Cough, cough, F-16's to the Egyptian Brotherhood...cough...aid to Pakistan....cough, cough....Billions of dollars to the Palestinians...ahem...cough...

Posted by: runningrn at April 30, 2013 07:22 AM (MZrpY)

154 "unintended consequences" by do-gooders used to be the meme..... the more I learn, the more cynical I get, and thoughts of intentional undermining of our entire work-ethic and culture seep into my brain parts... you guys

Posted by: Yip at April 30, 2013 07:22 AM (/jHWN)

155

Sounds suspiciously like e pluribus unum. We con't do that shit no more. Now it's all diversity.

 

Yeah, no more melting pot. Now it's the tossed salad.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 30, 2013 07:22 AM (IDSI7)

156 as I said elsewhere last night...


$100k over 10 years?

Come on! That’s only $10k per year.

Who hasn’t taken $10k per year worth of free shit from a country
while bitching about how much said country sucks before eventually
blowing up bombs at a sporting event to protest said country’s evil,
amirite?
Posted by: wiserbud at April 30, 2013 12:16 PM (WCe8r)


Even when I was in college with my subsidized stafford loans, I still held down a job and paid some amount in taxes.
In fact after I lose my job next month it will be the first time in over 10 years I haven't paid at least some token amount of federal income tax. (But my wife will still pay it, so there's that I suppose.)

I have all my tax returns from 2005 (when I started filing digitally instead of paper 1040EZ) so, I can see exactly what I paid (not now, they're at home and I'm at work.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 30, 2013 07:23 AM (cdwHs)

157 >The difference between Church welfare and state welfare, is that the Church always looked to the individual first, family second, and only then would the Church step in to fill unmet needs. <

I might disagree theologically with the Mormons. But those I've met are some of the kindest, most giving, unselfish people on the planet. I would say in the case of providing assistance- tough, measured, compassionate and fair.

Posted by: Marcus at April 30, 2013 07:23 AM (GGCsk)

158 I want these two fine terrorists to have citizenship and the right to vote. We can't have them as second class slaves. We should extend voting rights to every Iranian citizen in the world actually. Why limit ourselves simply to the ones that violate our immigration laws? I am sure the Iranian citizens that don't violate our laws are the ones we really want participating in our democracy anyway.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at April 30, 2013 07:23 AM (++kZl)

159

#145 I stopped to ask directions. And one of the able bodied youg males pointed a gun at me. I'm sure it wass a toy, but I drove off just the same. Maybe I'll give Gosnell a ride home when he walks.

 

 

There are some neighborhoods in Philly you should never be in, let alone stop and ask directions.  You just want to get out of there asap and you certainly don't want them to know that you are lost and not from there!  Yikes!

Posted by: runningrn at April 30, 2013 07:23 AM (MZrpY)

160

110not working also prevents assimilation

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We promise 100% employment

Posted by: The Borg at April 30, 2013 07:23 AM (SO2Q8)

161 And the cry from the liberals will be "but you're an evil republican who doesn't want to feed people!! You want people to starve!"

Otoh, if starving terrorists means fewer terrorists, that would be a plus.

Posted by: Boots


Which is why, outside of a major societal collapse, it's difficult to imagine things changing for the better.

Our system is loaded with graft top to bottom; from a Congress that shields itself from the rules and regulations of insider trading, to state employees with multiple jobs and pensions, to food stamps bought and sold on a black market.

If there's a way out of this collapsing tunnel that does not require a long, dark journey back, I'm all ears.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at April 30, 2013 07:24 AM (Yr6sH)

162 Hey Dave in Texas....  repost the awesome news on the oil when you can fit it in.. 

Posted by: Yip at April 30, 2013 07:24 AM (/jHWN)

163 Food-stamp blowback, eh?

I'm sticking with "They do it because they think it's their right, because it works, and because 'we' want them to do it" as my root causes.

I have a long list of shit I don't like that I'd probably get some satisfaction from pretending is the Real Problem Here. Increases in Islamic terrorism in the West and reductions in places where people are lawfully allowed to smoke cigarettes are very strongly temporally and geographically correlated, for example.

But.

Posted by: oblig. at April 30, 2013 07:24 AM (cePv8)

164 I'm thinking that it's a "stunning" amount because it's actually going to wind up being over $100,000 PER YEAR from 2002 to 2012. That's why Patrick was so quick to cite privacy. People are going to outraged. But then, what do I know, I'm just a tax payer, it's none of my business.

Posted by: lindafell at April 30, 2013 07:24 AM (PGO8C)

165 $10k a year is what...500 pressure cookers? Or is that why they bought the designer brand? *** If Martha Stewart were Islamic: Pressure cooker bombs with daisies painted on them. It's a good thing.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2013 07:24 AM (hyB08)

166

Up here, it's common to call Canadians "Norks." Short for Nordiques.

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shouldn't that be Norques?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 30, 2013 07:24 AM (SO2Q8)

167 Cultural Marxism is involved here.

Instead of the shame and guilt involved with being on the dole, one is owed governmental assistance because of social justice.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 30, 2013 07:25 AM (T0NGe)

168

I saw a special on food stamps.  Why is it that it seems most trailer park trash is made up of a wife weighing in about 300 and the husband goes about a buck twenty five?

 

These losers were complaining that their disability check was late coming in the mail and they were about out of food.  The show followed them to the store where they purchased all of the prepared  frozen foods while they continued to bitch on how the food stamps were not  a sufficient amount.

 

I'd trade them for 10 illegal mexican aliens.  

Posted by: polynikes at April 30, 2013 07:25 AM (m2CN7)

169 Ex plures, plures.  Period. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:26 AM (wbmaj)

170 Rush is hillarious already... heh...   Press uninterested in sex when Clinton was caught, but it's a big freakin' deal with this ghey basketballer...

Posted by: Yip at April 30, 2013 07:26 AM (/jHWN)

171 I saw that whining black golfer on TV today. What's his name Barry... something?

Posted by: tony redenzo at April 30, 2013 07:26 AM (Vodnq)

172 You know what. I really don't mind a few hundred thousand starving layabout parasites. It would do the bastards good.

Posted by: maddogg at April 30, 2013 07:26 AM (OlN4e)

173

Not to be a downer, but that is $100,000 over ten years. Or about $10,000 a year.

 

IIRC, they weren't on the dole continuously for all that time, which could bump up the average quite a bit.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 30, 2013 07:26 AM (IDSI7)

174 127 Can you use an EBT card to buy a pressure cooker? Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 12:18 PM (wbmaj) In a roundabout way you can use tax payer funded EBT to buy anything. You just have to decide if you want .50 or .75 cents on the dollar.

Posted by: RWC at April 30, 2013 07:27 AM (fWAjv)

175 If the public is paying, it should be public record, no?

Posted by: zsasz at April 30, 2013 12:21 PM (MMC8r)

Which is the logic they'll use to publicize everyone's medical records.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 30, 2013 07:27 AM (fwARV)

176 172 You know what. I really don't mind a few hundred thousand starving layabout parasites. It would do the bastards good. Posted by: maddogg at April 30, 2013 12:26 PM (OlN4e) Mind? I'd vote for it.

Posted by: RWC at April 30, 2013 07:27 AM (fWAjv)

177 I think every Mexican and Cuban citizen should have the right to vote in American elections and US citizenship. We cant treat them as slaves, that would be evil. We should send them ballots to their home addresses abroad so we can solve this problem. The Democrats would want to do this anyway, we should be apart of this solution.

Posted by: Marco Rubio at April 30, 2013 07:28 AM (++kZl)

178 >The welfare state may put food in one's mouth, but it does so at the expense at stripping a sense of accomplishment, belonging, and meaning from the recipient.<

Yes, but "workfare" is so icky, prejudiced and demeaning. I mean, why would anyone want to do menial work and restore their self-esteem when they could be watching Judge Judy, drinking a Big Gulp of Pepsi and munching on a Super-Sized French fry?

Posted by: Liberal Democrats at April 30, 2013 07:28 AM (GGCsk)

179 'Sorry, but $1000 per month in combined welfare isn't a "stunning" amount.' For healthy, able bodied people who are perfectly capable of working, it is $1000 per month too much. They should BOTH have been working. Every married couple I know, both husband and wife work. I have no problem for a person with children to support to temporarily receive food stamps until they find another job. The key word is "temporary", and I have known people who received assistance for a short time, and focused all their energy on finding work.

Posted by: nerdygirl at April 30, 2013 07:28 AM (ynec7)

180 My bumper sticker of the day:  "Fuck Coexistence" 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:28 AM (wbmaj)

181
If the public is paying, it should be public record, no?

Posted by: zsasz at April 30, 2013 12:21 PM (MMC8r)

 

You'd think so, wouldn't you? But just TRY to get the gubmint to give up   that info, even in aggregate.   Never gonna happen.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at April 30, 2013 07:29 AM (4df7R)

182 While people do not require meaning, as a strict biological matter, as they require food, water, air, and shelter, they do crave it *** I wonder if this somewhat explains the cult of celebrity we have in this country.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2013 07:29 AM (hyB08)

183 You know what. I really don't mind a few hundred thousand starving layabout parasites. It would do the bastards good.

Posted by: maddogg at April 30, 2013 12:26 PM (OlN4e)


Barky always likes to go on about how our Robust safety net allows people to take risks they otherwise wouldn't take.


But that's really not true.  Yeah every so often you'll find some crazy who quit his job and used the time to invite the bread slicer, but for the most part the safety net encourages sloth, not risk.

Enlightened self interest encourages risk.

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 30, 2013 07:29 AM (cdwHs)

184 Not to be a downer, but that is $100,000 over ten years. Or about $10,000 a year. Compared to what we pay to cart Michelle's ass around the country on a separate plane, I think it's a steal.

Posted by: t-bird at April 30, 2013 07:29 AM (FcR7P)

185 Welfare is evil. It makes dependent slaves of those who accept it.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 30, 2013 07:30 AM (bb5+k)

186

Can you use an EBT card to buy a pressure cooker?

 

Even if you can't,  plenty of people sell their food stamps  and other benefits for cash,   which they use for whatever the hell they want. 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at April 30, 2013 07:30 AM (4df7R)

187

Yeah every so often you'll find some crazy who quit his job and used the time to invite the bread slicer, but for the most part the safety net encourages sloth, not risk.

 

Even then, it's not the guy who quits his job to invent a new bread slicer who gets it patented and sells it.  It's the guy who built it in his garage in precious hours after work and on the weekends.  In general, anyway.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 30, 2013 07:31 AM (/PCJa)

188 Barky always likes to go on about how our Robust safety net allows people to take risks they otherwise wouldn't take.

osted by: tsrblke (work) at April 30, 2013 12:29 PM (cdwHs)

If you sink your life savings into a business venture and succeed, Barky believes we are all entitled to share in the fruits of your successees.

If you sink your life savings into a business venture and fail, Barky believes that's the free market at work, and you're not going to share your failure with anyone.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 30, 2013 07:31 AM (fwARV)

189 The stunning thing for me was that both of them were in the USA legally.

Posted by: Roy at April 30, 2013 07:31 AM (VndSC)

190 We have so many people who have been out of work for so long not only have they given up hope but no one would hire them. One more reason why I hate the left. If we had gotten rid of these rediculous regulations and allowed energy production, our economy would have improved vastly. I hate these fuckers!

Posted by: Waldo Truth at April 30, 2013 07:31 AM (1hBkG)

191 Although the discussion of work and self-worth are important, I think there is more at work here. There is a specific call to Muslims to do this - get non-Muslims to support them, pay the "jizya".

Look at the UK & Europe where such a large percentage of them are on the dole. Many of them work under the table, own their own business, avoid reporting their income, etc. while still collecting benefits. It's apparently a specific tenet of their faith, at least under certain interpretations.

Posted by: jeannebodine at April 30, 2013 07:31 AM (LBBS3)

192 You'd think so, wouldn't you? But just TRY to get the gubmint to give up that info, even in aggregate. Never gonna happen.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 30, 2013 12:29 PM (4df7R)

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We must protect their unearned sense of self esteem. for the children...

 

Posted by: gubmint at April 30, 2013 07:31 AM (SO2Q8)

193 I sure would like a sunset on welfare..  tell 'em all... you've got 4 years to get your life together.  After that, no more payments above $100 / month and no rent assistance above $200... and those will be time-limited not to exceed 2 years.  Heh.... I know.... no way ever...  but I dream..

Posted by: Yip at April 30, 2013 07:31 AM (/jHWN)

194 127 Can you use an EBT card to buy a pressure cooker? Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 12:18 PM (wbmaj) Shit, man, as long as they didn't buy it from Williams-Sonoma, I am so down with that. A pressure cooker is great for cooking cheap staples. Better than relying on McD's.

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2013 07:31 AM (5H6zj)

195 Thank goodness Mitt Romney didn't win, or some of this subversive thinking might have seeped in to the Government's welfare programs.

Posted by: Matt in Maine at April 30, 2013 12:20 PM (wOdJE)

 

Yeah, right. According to one of Mitt's sons in an interview (I forget which son), Mitt didn't really want to run for President but felt he would be more likely to beat Obama than any of the other prospects. That was a valid assessment given the weakness of the primary field, but doesn't exactly make for an inspired campaign.

 

Lincoln called presidential ambition the 'worm in the belly' that kept gnawing away at him. Romney didn't have it, that inner drive, that fire. And because he didn't, he didn't completely commit, go all in. If you ask me, that's why he lost, and I feel the fool for pouring money I couldn't afford into the campaign of a man who didn't want the job in the first place.

Posted by: troyriser at April 30, 2013 07:32 AM (vtiE6)

196 Someone was saying they saw people congregating around the liquor store. Here they congregate around the paint store and the contractor's come around and hire them for the day.

Posted by: Caustic at April 30, 2013 07:32 AM (/b8+5)

197

EVERY FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT THAT LIVES OFF OF WELFARE SHOULD BE CUT THE FUCK OFF.  MORE THAN 2 YEARS, FUCK YOU GO HUNGRY.  WE'LL FEED YOUR KIDS BUT YOU WANT THE GOVERNMENT CHEESE YOU GET STERILIZED AFTER 2 YEARS AND LOSE THE RIGHT TO VOTE.

 

FUCKING PERIOD.

 

My mother scraped and scrimped for years on her own raising her own kids with a POS job that paid nothing.  At times we needed help, but not for long.

 

WE NEED TO CALL THESE FUCKERS OUT AS THEY ARE LITERALLY DRAINING THE SYSTEM.

 

Welfare is shameful.  Section 8 is shameful.  Food stamps are shameful.  WHERE THE FUCK IS THE SHAME.  You are a fucking slave if you live off of govt benefits.  Is there no pride?  Is there no shame? 

 

And they are trying to make this shit "acceptable" as if it's a normal way to live.  It's the most insidious, dangerous fucking thing they are doing.

 

Sorry, rant off.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 30, 2013 07:32 AM (tVTLU)

198

The stunning thing for me was that both of them were in the USA legally.

 

That doesn't stun me at all, really.  I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if they'd overstayed a visa either, but muslim terrorists do seem to at least go through the motions of getting here legally, first- even if they don't then make sure they're staying here legally.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 30, 2013 07:32 AM (/PCJa)

199 shouldn't that be Norques? To a panty-waist French surrender-monkey, yes. To this Yankee, 'Merican, it's "norks."

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at April 30, 2013 07:32 AM (7ObY1)

200 It's not a "safety net" anymore. It's a giant fucking cushioned couch with the latest flatscreen TV, gallons of soda and all the junk food one can eat. Courtesy of working taxpayers.

It's simply amazing to me that nobody sees the dichotomy in making an argument that immigrants want to come here to work and then turning around and making another argument for the growth of an entitlement state.

Posted by: Marcus at April 30, 2013 07:32 AM (GGCsk)

201 So do this mean we can add "Those killed by domestic terrorists" to Socialism's death toll?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 30, 2013 07:33 AM (da5Wo)

202 Amusing bait and switch over on Drudge.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2013 07:33 AM (hyB08)

203 I just bought a 60" LCD flat screen with my EBT card.  The "Man" owes me, goddammit. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:33 AM (wbmaj)

204 A pressure cooker is great for cooking cheap staples.

Posted by: Y-not at April 30, 2013 12:31 PM (5H6zj)

The Tsblamov brothers used it to cook nails and ball bearings, but staples would work, I guess.

Posted by: Abu Nazir ibn Fahad ibn Tikriti ibn Amin at April 30, 2013 07:33 AM (fwARV)

205 We need some serious undercover reporting on the welfare system.  Vashta's point is dead on.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 30, 2013 07:33 AM (tVTLU)

206 Without meaning to your life you're fucked even if you're fucked regularly.

....but if the thing that gives your life meaning is to randomly take innocent life, that's hideously fucked.
Posted by: ontherocks at April 30, 2013 12:21 PM
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Yeah, I thought about that too. After some processing of the idea, I am assuming that by 'centrality' he means a psychological 'need'. One can exist well enough without sex, and one can exist well enough without work, but there will be a void, even if it is not recognized. I personally feel that in the long term, work is more important to the psyche than sex. The one is a transient short term gratification, the other long-lasting with tangible rewards, as well as a sense of personal worth.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2013 07:33 AM (aDwsi)

207 (And if you work all day, there's less time to dream up ways and reasons to kill infidels.)

*multitask*

Posted by: HeideRadieschen Mulder at April 30, 2013 07:33 AM (/kI1Q)

208 Yes, but "workfare" is so icky, prejudiced and demeaning. I mean, why would anyone want to do menial work and restore their self-esteem when they could be watching Judge Judy, drinking a Big Gulp of Pepsi and munching on a Super-Sized French fry?

Posted by: Liberal Democrats at April 30, 2013 12:28 PM (GGCsk)

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A big gulp? NIMBY you fake liberal.

Posted by: New York at April 30, 2013 07:33 AM (SO2Q8)

209 For those dismissing $100k as "not much," think about what else that money could have been used for, as in "people or projects that would have been positive contributors to society."

Posted by: jakeman at April 30, 2013 07:34 AM (96M6e)

210 I just love the word "entitlement."  As if I owe your sorry asses anything. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:34 AM (wbmaj)

211

Which is the logic they'll use to publicize everyone's medical records

 

Speaking of which, I would love to know what FFFLOTUS's BMI is.  That effing fat fauxny just works out her arms.  The rest of her body is a big, fat, hawt mess.  I know that my BMI is waaay lower than hers.  She can start lecturing me about diet and exercise the minute hers is less than mine.  (Which will be never!)

Posted by: runningrn at April 30, 2013 07:34 AM (MZrpY)

212 Marcus - you summed it up exactly.  It's a safety net, not a fucking hammock.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 30, 2013 07:34 AM (tVTLU)

213 Look at the UK Europe where such a large percentage of them are on the dole. Many of them work under the table, own their own business, avoid reporting their income, etc. while still collecting benefits. It's apparently a specific tenet of their faith, at least under certain interpretations.

Posted by: jeannebodine at April 30, 2013 12:31 PM (LBBS3)

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UK   (and Canada) also provide welfare benefits to multiple spouses, so there is an advantage to a    polygamous   muslim to live on the dole there.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2013 07:34 AM (aq5Dc)

214 I think that we ought to institute a program called The Welfare Games where layabout contestants are selected to compete for an ever shrinking public dole in survival contests stripped of leather couches and big screen TVs in a food stamp and welfare check chase where attrition is the ultimate goal.

I guess I'm just a dreamer, ahead of my time....



Posted by: ontherocks at April 30, 2013 07:34 AM (pk5WJ)

215 189 Roy,

why are you stunned?

We're importing Jihadists faster than anyone but mexicans the last 6 years.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 30, 2013 07:35 AM (LRFds)

216

For those dismissing $100k as "not much," think about what else that money could have been used for, as in "people or projects that would have been positive contributors to society."

 

 

Also, think of how many people have received this amount thanks to the largess of we the taxpayers!!!!  So multiply that number by the ranks of the FSA (Free Shit Army).

Posted by: runningrn at April 30, 2013 07:35 AM (MZrpY)

217 >Amusing bait and switch over on Drudge.<

I'm done with Drudge. I got tired of all the lousy liberal sites and stupid links. I was at the point where I was mousing over each story to see where it took me.

No thanks. I would rather find the news myself.

Posted by: Marcus at April 30, 2013 07:35 AM (GGCsk)

218 This kind of easy-peasy welfare handout is just what the community organizer was organizing for back in the day, no?   So thanks again, SCOAMF!

Posted by: Z as in Jersey at April 30, 2013 07:35 AM (Fvc1x)

219 @MWR

Strangely NIH research regulations provide a specific carve out for research on Gov't programs:
(5) Research and demonstration projects which are conducted by or subject to the approval of department or agency heads, and which are designed to study, evaluate, or otherwise examine:
(i) Public benefit or service programs; (ii) procedures for obtaining benefits or services under those programs; (iii) possible changes in or alternatives to those programs or procedures; or (iv) possible changes in methods or levels of payment for benefits or services under those programs.


(Set aside for a moment that purely privately funded research at places that take $0 of federal funding anywhere are technically exempt from the regulations all together, I suspect most places will force you to comply with them to get the information)
You could probably escape without department head approval BUT you'd have to go through an IRB (because it'd no longer be exempt research), and my guess is that IRBs (made up mostly of liberal doctors and academics) are going to be loath to want researchers to have that data with identifiers for "privacy issues" (I'd cry bullshit on that, but I'm not in charge) and it'd probably be nearly impossible to strip the aggregate data down since IIRC the standard identifiers extend all the way to ZIP code.

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 30, 2013 07:36 AM (cdwHs)

220 If you think about it, the lefty, libs, dems are afraid of the poor, the illegals.  With the economy so bad, the lefty, libs, dems are happy to give out welfare as they think this is keeping folks in line, stopping them from rioting in the streets. This is the little super sekret they never say but they all know.

The Churches did a great job with helping the poor and the illegals while GWB was president.  Still can't figure out why the lefty, libs, dems want the churches out of the equation.  They did a way better job than the government.

Posted by: Caustic at April 30, 2013 07:36 AM (/b8+5)

221

I sure would like a sunset on welfare.. tell 'em all... you've got 4 years to get your life together. After that, no more payments above $100 / month and no rent assistance above $200... and those will be time-limited not to exceed 2 years. Heh.... I know.... no way ever... but I dream..

 

Do this after you roll back   regulations and embark on a national mission to reinvigorate   the economy so's people can have a  viable option in the  market.

 

We have the world's largest consumer market, yet we don't even   begin to have the policies in place at the national   level   that would take advantage of it.  We could be making our own products, but we aren't, in large  part because of all the taxes,  rules, and regulations being forced upon us against our will  by the Feds.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at April 30, 2013 07:36 AM (+z4pE)

222 218 This kind of easy-peasy welfare handout is just what the community organizer was organizing for back in the day, no? So thanks again, SCOAMF!
_________

Yeah..., imagine the wet dream he had the night Obamacare was passed

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2013 07:36 AM (aDwsi)

223 Umm $50-$60k will buy a nice Ivy League Graduate Degree. I'll take $100k free and clear, thank you.

Posted by: Marcus at April 30, 2013 07:37 AM (GGCsk)

224 If the review of the terrorists' welfare benefits was 'stunning',  then the amount was NOT $100K over ten years, but more like per year.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2013 07:37 AM (aq5Dc)

225 Why is the bitch smiling?? http://goo.gl/HWRgF

Posted by: Waldo Truth at April 30, 2013 07:37 AM (1hBkG)

226

Posted by: Yip at April 30, 2013 12:24 PM (/jHWN)

 

-- What news on oil?

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 30, 2013 07:37 AM (R8hU8)

227 205 We need some serious undercover reporting on the welfare system. Vashta's point is dead on.
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AND, disability.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2013 07:37 AM (aDwsi)

228

Caustic:

 

Because the left doesn't want to help the poor.  Indeed, it's the opposite.  They want to CREATE more poor...

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 30, 2013 07:37 AM (tVTLU)

229 According to Howie Carr of the Boston Herald, and WRKO, in Mass, the EBT card is accepted by liquor stores, tatoo parlors, and strip clubs.  Every time a bill is introduced in the state legislature to crack down on this, it dies a quick death, because your raysis or something.  I am not joking about this.  Google some of Howie's columns.  There is no need to sell your EBT unless you need money for pot.  As far as I know its not legal in Mass to buy pot with the EBT.

Posted by: Matt in Maine at April 30, 2013 07:38 AM (wOdJE)

230 You are a fucking slave if you live off of govt benefits.

Sitting on your ass all day with nothing to do but watch TV and wait for the next booty call...you call that "slavery"?

We're the first society in history where the "privileged" class works their ass off so the "under" class can have lives of leisure.

Posted by: HeideRadieschen Mulder at April 30, 2013 07:38 AM (/kI1Q)

231 Not ONLY are these people receiving assistance, they aren't paying into the system... so it is a double suck for us that work , sustain ourselves and our families and get by.  We pay our taxes and work.  They get bennies and don't pay shit....   all about milking the system till it busts...  like freakin' locusts

Posted by: Yip at April 30, 2013 07:38 AM (/jHWN)

232 If you think about it, the lefty, libs, dems are afraid of the poor, the illegals. With the economy so bad, the lefty, libs, dems are happy to give out welfare as they think this is keeping folks in line, stopping them from rioting in the streets. This is the little super sekret they never say but they all know.

The Churches did a great job with helping the poor and the illegals while GWB was president. Still can't figure out why the lefty, libs, dems want the churches out of the equation. They did a way better job than the government.

Posted by: Caustic at April 30, 2013 12:36 PM (/b8+5)

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It is protection money  with the added benefit   of votes bought with other    peoples' money.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2013 07:39 AM (aq5Dc)

233

#229  You down wit' EBT?  Yeah, you know me. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:39 AM (wbmaj)

234 Also, think of how many people have received this amount thanks to the largess of we the taxpayers!!!! So multiply that number by the ranks of the FSA (Free Shit Army). Indeed. I always loved the scene in Cinderella Man when Braddock returns the money he received on the dole. I wonder how many times that has happened many times since the Great Depression.

Posted by: jakeman at April 30, 2013 07:40 AM (96M6e)

235 Your ever notice when they do these bleeding-heart stories from the trailer park how people can't eat, these people have a great big Sony HDTV and are frivolous with ever dollar? There is usually zero concept of budgeting or being frugal. It's just gimme more, gimme more you cheap taxpayer bastards.

Posted by: Marcus at April 30, 2013 07:40 AM (GGCsk)

236 We're the first society in history where the "privileged" class works their ass off so the "under" class can have lives of leisure.

Posted by: HeideRadieschen Mulder at April 30, 2013 12:38 PM (/kI1Q)

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With your permission, I am going to try and rent a billboard and put that on it.

Well done.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2013 07:40 AM (aq5Dc)

237 I should probably note that those regulatory carve outs were in fact designed to make research on goverment programs easier to perform (by opting them out of the normal processes)
But they could have (I haven't researched it) the unforseen side effect of making the research harder by placing it at the control of the agency head.
That would actually be an interesting study.  Given some of what Sowell reported during his time at BLS it would at least seem plausible that that is in fact the outcome. (especially when you consider the role of regulatory creep as well for IRBs)

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 30, 2013 07:41 AM (cdwHs)

238 95 Gosnell is gonna walk. "If the kid don't chirp, he ain't a perp." The late Johnnie Cochran. Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 11:59 AM (wbmaj) Gosnell's gonna walk because race uber alles. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 30, 2013 12:13 PM (zF6Iw) 95 Gosnell is gonna walk. "If the kid don't chirp, he ain't a perp." The late Johnnie Cochran. Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 11:59 AM (wbmaj) Gosnell's gonna walk because race uber alles. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 30, 2013 12:13 PM (zF6Iw) Gosnell's gonna walk because, "Bros befo throws!"

Posted by: Boomer Redneque, where the fuck's MY $100k edition at April 30, 2013 07:41 AM (k2SqU)

239 For those dismissing $100k as "not much," think about what else that money could have been used for, as in "people or projects that would have been positive contributors to society."

Lol, it's tax dollars. Plenty more where that came from, but the Republicans keeping the rich people from paying their fair share 'cause they're racists.

Posted by: Typical Obama Voter at April 30, 2013 07:41 AM (/kI1Q)

240

We're the first society in history where the "privileged" class works their ass off so the "under" class can have lives of leisure.

Posted by: HeideRadieschen Mulder at April 30, 2013 12:38 PM (/kI1Q)

This needs to be a fucking headline, in red 200pt font, blazing skull (with Blago-hair), the ewok signal and a hobo with a crossbow bolt through his face and a longbow arrow through his chest.

Best.  Summation.  Ever.  Cut.  Jib.  Newsletter.

Posted by: Abu Nazir ibn Fahad ibn Tikriti ibn Amin at April 30, 2013 07:41 AM (fwARV)

241 Dave in Texas put up a post right before this one (and then ...gone) on the super-awesomeness of the oil and gas production in Texas increasing exponentially over the last four years due to the Eagle Ford field south of San Antonio.   Surely he'll repost... maybe with more nougat later... 

Posted by: Yip at April 30, 2013 07:41 AM (/jHWN)

242 230 radish,

You are a slave, a well pampered slave whose only job is voting but yes a slave...

if you are an able bodied person able to do ANYTHING productive with a mentally healthy better than 4th grade ability to reason you are indentured to the democrats.

I do not hate the poor who feel "trapped" I hate the politicians who created the gilded cage.

Fuck 'em

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 30, 2013 07:42 AM (LRFds)

243 "Few like work" Ha! Try that line out at your next job interview. If they ask me "Why do you want to work here?" the true answer is "Because I need to eat." But the answer they expect is "Because working with you provides me with the opportunity for personal growth, meeting my five-year personal goals, and helping you exceed your targets for profit and customer satisfaction. It's a synergy of win-win." Truth doesn't work.

Posted by: gp at April 30, 2013 07:42 AM (+Jpqc)

244 I'm watching my 60" flat screen that I just bought with my EBT card.  I also used it to upgrade with 40 premium channels and just ordered some Chinese!  Fuck you, you oppressed me, man! 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:42 AM (wbmaj)

245 With your permission, I am going to try and rent a billboard and put that on it.

It's yours.  I'd love to see a photo.

Posted by: HeideRadieschen at April 30, 2013 07:43 AM (/kI1Q)

246 http://tinyurl.com/cdpnmvy

MEANWHILE IN ENGLANG:

Hate preacher Anjem Choudary has told fanatics to copy him by going on benefits — urging: “Claim your Jihad Seeker’s Allowance.” He cruelly ridiculed non-Muslims who held down 9-to-5 jobs all their lives and said sponging off them made plotting holy war easier.

The Sun secretly filmed him over three meetings also saying leaders such as David Cameron and Barack Obama should be KILLED, grinning as he branded the Queen “ugly” and predicting a “tsunami” of Islamic immigrants would sweep Europe.

Father-of-four Choudary, who has praised terrorist outrages, pockets more than £25,000 a year in benefits — £8,000 more than the take-home pay of some soldiers fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan.

He laughed as he told supporters:

“You find people are busy working the whole of their life. They wake up at 7 o’clock. They go to work at 9 o’clock. They work for eight, nine hours a day. They come home at 7 o’clock, watch EastEnders, sleep, and they do that for 40 years of their life. That is called slavery.

"And at the end of their life they realise their pension isn’t going to pay out anything, the mortgage isn’t going to pay out anything.

"Basically they are going to lose everything, commit suicide. What kind of a life is that, honestly. That is the life of kuffar (non-believer).”

Former lawyer Choudary — twice banned from running organisations under the Terrorism Act — said some revered Islamic figures had only ever worked one or two days a year, adding: “The rest of the year they were busy with jihad (holy war) and things like that.”

He went on: “People will say, ‘Ah, but you are not working’.

“But the normal situation is for you to take money from the kuffar.

“So we take Jihad Seeker’s Allowance. You need to get support.”

Figures obtained by The Sun in 2010 showed the extremist cleric received £15,600 a year in housing benefit to keep him in a £320,000 house in Leytonstone, East London.

He also got £1,820 council tax allowance, £5,200 income support and £3,120 child benefits — equivalent to a taxed salary of £32,500...







Posted by: Hepcat at April 30, 2013 07:43 AM (slkJy)

247 I would have said, "As a taxpayer, I have to buy this so you can buy that. Yeah, this will end well." I would have said that, but at that particular store, I was distinctly in the minority. Yeah, it wouldn't have ended well.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at April 30, 2013 07:43 AM (7ObY1)

248 @240..   AGREED ! 

Posted by: Yip at April 30, 2013 07:43 AM (/jHWN)

249

Truth doesn't work.

 

Depends on the job.  Also on the delivery.  I once looked a prospective employer full in the face and answered that question with, "Because my lotto ticket didn't win last night."

 

But there's also a difference in "why do you want to work" and "why do you want to work *here*."

 

OTOH, I work in one of the most notoriously mercenary fields in the modern economy- everyone knows we'll only be with a given company for a few years, and then we'll be off to the next (bigger) paycheck.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 30, 2013 07:45 AM (/PCJa)

250 166
Up here, it's common to call Canadians "Norks." Short for Nordiques.

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shouldn't that be Norques?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 30, 2013 12:24 PM (SO2Q

 

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Or   maybe they should just be called  Diques.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at April 30, 2013 07:45 AM (lHb9q)

251 Depends on the job. Also on the delivery. I once looked a prospective employer full in the face and answered that question with, "Because my lotto ticket didn't win last night." Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 30, 2013 12:45 PM (/PCJa) Get the job?

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 30, 2013 07:46 AM (da5Wo)

252

 It's time we had a national conversation on welfare. Now that we know that tax payer money went to support terrorists, its due time. On Dec 19, Obama began his call for gun control action; lets replace the ideas of guns and gun owners with welfare and welfare recepients and see how a portion of his speech plays out:  "But you know what, I am also betting that the majority -- the vast majority -- of responsible, law-abiding 'welfare recepients' would be some of the first to say that we should be able to keep an irresponsible, law-breaking few from 'getting welfare'. I’m willing to bet that they don’t think that'getting welfare'and using common sense are incompatible ideas -- that an unbalanced man shouldn’t be able to get his hands 'others peoples hard earned money'; that in this age of technology, we should be able to check someone’s criminal records before he or she can 'live off of other people'; that if we work harder to keep'welfare' out of the hands of dangerous people, there would be fewer atrocities like the one in 'Boston'"

Posted by: Bret at April 30, 2013 07:46 AM (/UMll)

253
The welfare state may put food in one's mouth, but it does so at the expense at stripping a sense of accomplishment, belonging, and meaning from the recipient.

30 million new immigrants can't be wrong.

Posted by: Elvis and his Congressman Band at April 30, 2013 07:46 AM (jKWYf)

254

Very true, Ace. Nice post.

 

But with today's mode of thought, we are light years away from ever being able to put this concept that is so ridiculously un-PC up for serious discussion, let alone for any type of bi-partisan proposals that might actually accomplish something.

 

Because, like, raaacist, zenophobic, bigoted, angry white males.

Posted by: RM at April 30, 2013 07:46 AM (/Frlf)

255 Instead of the shame and guilt involved with being on the dole, one is owed governmental assistance because of social justice.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 30, 2013 12:25 PM (T0NGe)

 

This is why   I'm always banging the drum about reclaiming shame.  Shame is NOT humiliation,   but it's been redefined by the left as synonomous   with taht term.      There is little to no social benefit from humiliation,  which is generally inflicted by outside parties for sick amusement or malice.   It's a pathetic     outlet for the vanity and insecurities of those doing the humiliating    by   exercising their impotent powers against the one being humiliated.

 

Shame, on the other hand,    is a feeling of guilt brought about by a person's internal morality coming into conflict with their external actions.   External actors may "shame" a person for doing something inappropriate, but the shame itself is a completely personal thing,   and it's   used to correct anti-social behavior.      Even the shamers experience PERSONAL shame, for having failed to prevent this person from taking such a shameful path.

 

It's RIGHT to feel some shame in receiving government benefits, because at its heart doing so means that you are    unable to meet your own obligations  without aid.   A moral person of good character would recognize this shame and say, "I'm doing this because I have to   to survive,   but    I'm going to get off this dole as fast as possible because I'm better than this."    And anyone around that person should be encouraging them to do just that.  

 

There are many, MANY people who have to go on government benefits at some point in their lives, but who are eager to shed that monkey off their back as soon as possible.     My own family went through that period when I was very young.   These are the people for whom unemployment and food stamps and other "entitlements" are intended.   It's    the lifers -- the ones who stay on benefits from cradle to grave and never have any intention of living any other way --   who     are the    frauds.  THSOE are the ones who should feel the MOST shame, as should   anyone who associates with them.   

 

But instead, these frauds have been taught that they are owed these "entitlements" (man do I hate that term)     because   "the man" is keeping them down, or "the whites" are keeping them down,  or "the   patriarchy" is keeping them down,   or   "the Christians" are keeping them down,   ad nauseum infinitum.    There is no shame there;   what there is is glee.   "Look at me, taking from my enemies!  WOO HOO!    Suck it, you bastards!   You ain't keeping   me down no more!   You're buying me my shiny new rims!"

 

Our society has become deeply warped.   Either there is going to be a massive    cultural     correction in the very near future,   or we're going to collapse under the weight of sanctimony and smug.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at April 30, 2013 07:46 AM (4df7R)

256 I just drove through a housing project in Washington, D.C. (I got lost). So many able bodied young men just standing on corners.  Many brown bags being held, and I believe I smelled pot.  But I must be mistaken in that.  Children (many in diapers) running everywhere on dirt courtyards.  There did not seem to be a lot of parental supervision. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:47 AM (wbmaj)

257 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 30, 2013 12:46 PM (4df7R) Members Bannion and Cochran would like to welcome our newest teammate, MWR, to Team Judge and Scold. Meetings are on Friday. Newbie brings the beer.

Posted by: BCochran1981 at April 30, 2013 07:49 AM (da5Wo)

258

230 - Mulder:

 

That's because the leftists/statists don't have total power yet.  Right now, we will feed you, clothe you, bathe you, tell you a bedtime story, and take you to the doctor and pay for it when you have a tummy ache.

 

The next shoe to drop is the one that stomps on a human face for eternity. 

 

And we won't be able to stop it because so many of us will be dependent on the nanny fucking state.  Govt. mandated workouts are just the beginning of this "flavor".  Watch it, they are coming.  Think I'm crazy, the idea is being floated in the UK ALREADY....

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 30, 2013 07:49 AM (tVTLU)

259 There did not seem to be a lot of parental supervision.
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Well, you know, "It takes a village.."

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2013 07:49 AM (aDwsi)

260 OT - Not enough gay on this thread...
From Obama on Collins (via the Guardian)

"Given the importance of sports in our society, [for Collins to say] 'I'm still 7 foot tall and can bang with Shaq and deliver a hard...'

Sweetness...

Posted by: RioBravo at April 30, 2013 07:49 AM (eEfYn)

261 Jason Collins’ jilted fiancé Carolyn Moos didn’t know he was gay until last weekend: report ‘It's very emotional for me as a woman to have invested 8 years in my dream to have a husband, soul mate, and best friend in him,’ says Moos. Hey babe, when life throws you lemons--- ah get out of town- don't talk to the press

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 30, 2013 07:49 AM (9Bj8R)

262 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 30, 2013 12:46 PM (4df7R)


Heh, you sound somewhat like my wife.

During the latest freakout when I commented about constantly being told to sod off for strange things (Like "asking why to much.") She reminded me that I need to stop assuming the liberal elites are out to get me and/or prevent me from getting a job. (Although it seems like that at times.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 30, 2013 07:49 AM (cdwHs)

263 What if we said "In one month, we're going to round up anyone here illegally and you are going to spend a fixed amount of time in jail and then we are going to deport you and you can't come here again until you wait ten years".  Don't you think most people would go back to their home counties under those conditions?

Then you can put Rudy Guiliani in charge of welfare and immigration.  Identifying what laws congress needs to change or examine  and just enforcing others.

Posted by: Caustic at April 30, 2013 07:49 AM (/b8+5)

264 I just drove through a housing project in Washington, D.C.(I got lost).So many able bodied young men just standing on corners. Many brown bags being held, and I believe I smelled pot. But I must be mistaken in that. Children (many in diapers) running everywhere on dirt courtyards. There did not seem to be a lot of parental supervision.

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 12:47 PM (wbmaj)

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Your tax dollars at work.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2013 07:49 AM (aq5Dc)

265 We must protect their unearned sense of self esteem. for the children Fuck the children. If I wasn't there for the screaming & wet, sloppy sex to make them, don't expect me to be there for the raising of them. As our brown friends south of the borders would say, "That's not my yob".

Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2013 07:50 AM (HzdHu)

266 Fourth Virginia...  stop judging them!  Racist!   It's not their fault... it's ours... wear your shame and just shut up and pay your MF'ing taxes... eleventy!

Posted by: The Government knows bestest at April 30, 2013 07:50 AM (/jHWN)

267 We need to wake up from this national nightmare that has lasted for more than 50 years.  And with a jolt. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:50 AM (wbmaj)

268 new thread up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2013 07:52 AM (piMMO)

269

Another problem with our welfare system is the generational aspect of it all.  One of my former co-workers has a son who is learning disabled.  Up until recently, he always worked (bagger at grocery store, packager at Microsoft, etc.)  About 10 years ago, he reunited with a friend from high school.  They were in special ed together.  They have gone on to have 2 children.  This woman has 4 kids with 3 different men, and she is the third generation of her family to be on welfare.  This woman who is learning disabled is nonetheless, very savy about her benefits.  She likes to move around, so every 6 months or so, they move to another appartment with DSHS picking up the tab for the move.  Their 2 kids are the 4th generation of her family on welfare.  She and her mother are hugely obese, but I suppose that's because they live in food deserts and don't have access to healthy food/sarc!

Recently, my friend's son went on disability.  He's had a seizure disorder his whole life, but they have gotten worse to the point where he is unable to work any more.  Anyways, before he quit working, he was the one getting up in the middle of the night and taking care of the kids.  He also does the bulk of the childcare whenever he's home (which is all the time now).  She doesn't do anything but sit on her considerable fat ass.

The system has been broken for a very long time, and it seems like it is only growing exponentially worse.

Posted by: runningrn at April 30, 2013 07:52 AM (MZrpY)

270 #264  I asked one young woman how old she was--she said 22.  I asked her how many children she had, and she said 4--but she wasn't sure who the fathers were. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:52 AM (wbmaj)

271 EBT fraud?  Hmmmm...

Posted by: Charles Gibson at April 30, 2013 07:52 AM (/jHWN)

272 267 We need to wake up from this national nightmare that has lasted for more than 50 years. And with a jolt.
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9/11 didn't do it. Financial collapse didn't do it. I won't stop fighting, but I am increasingly pessimistic.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2013 07:53 AM (aDwsi)

273
"The devil finds work for idle hands"

^^^
I heard someone quote this saying the other night with regards to this story.  Spot on, imao.

Posted by: Lurker-fan at April 30, 2013 07:53 AM (UypUQ)

274

Jason Collins’ jilted fiancé Carolyn Moos didn’t know he was gay until last weekend: report
‘It's very emotional for me as a woman to have invested 8 years in my dream to have a husband, soul mate, and best friend in him,’ says Moos.

 

I guess his twin brother, who didn't find out til last year, didn't have the heart to tell her...

Posted by: runningrn at April 30, 2013 07:53 AM (MZrpY)

275 * sock off *

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 30, 2013 07:53 AM (UypUQ)

276 I just purchased this thread with my EBT card. 

Posted by: Fourth Virginia at April 30, 2013 07:53 AM (wbmaj)

277 @MWR

This is slightly O/T but relevant to what you said, I saw a headline that a "Teen Mom" reality tv star had made a porn flick, claiming she need to do it for herself or some other BS, and just sold the rights for a $1 million to Vivid Entertainment. No shame. 

Posted by: Penfold at April 30, 2013 07:56 AM (Fbt5B)

278 Who thought it was a good idea to create "the projects".   When kids were having problems in school they used to want the teachers to go there to see the parents.  At the time, for the most part, the teachers were white and wanted the parents to come to the school.  The teachers were villified.  Time moves on and guess what, the black teachers don't want to have to go to the projects either, the want the parents to come to the school, does that mean the black teachers are racist too?

Posted by: Caustic at April 30, 2013 07:57 AM (/b8+5)

279 Posted by: runningrn at April 30, 2013 12:52 PM (MZrpY



Strangely though just trying to get access to state programs (even ones you pay for out of pocket but require permission to use) for my disabled mother-in-law FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE.

Hell at this point we'd just like access to a list of people who could help us determine the best way to make the house more accessible.  Not to pay for it to happen, just to tell us whose an expert at these type of things so we're not shooting in the dark.

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 30, 2013 07:57 AM (cdwHs)

280 We need some serious undercover reporting on the welfare system. I'm sure we'll get some related doc drops from WikiLeaks...any...day...now...

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Septembrist at April 30, 2013 07:59 AM (fMiHM)

281 This is slightly O/T but relevant to what you said, I saw a headline that a "Teen Mom" reality tv star had made a porn flick, claiming she need to do it for herself or some other BS, and just sold the rights for a $1 million to Vivid Entertainment. No shame.

Posted by: Penfold at April 30, 2013 12:56 PM (Fbt5B)

 

Unbelievable.   Just unbelievable.

 

Needed to do it for herself, huh?   Needed   to do what?  Debase herself?   Have sex?  What?   What is empowering about having sex on camera?   What is empowering about having to tell your child someday,  "Mommy was in a porno."      

 

I weep for her child.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at April 30, 2013 07:59 AM (4df7R)

282

Needed to do it for herself, huh? Needed to do what? Debase herself? Have sex? What? What is empowering about having sex on camera? What is empowering about having to tell your child someday, "Mommy was in a porno."

 

Even degraded celebrity is better than being nobody.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at April 30, 2013 08:03 AM (zF6Iw)

283 I would hope that the cost of all this was largely borne by Massholes...

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at April 30, 2013 08:05 AM (vd7A8)

284 I'm actually kind of "stunned" that anyone on this site would say that it isn't stunning that $100,000 of taxpayers' money was spent to subsidize the guys that murdered innocent people in Boston because they hated America.

Posted by: RM at April 30, 2013 08:06 AM (/Frlf)

285 It's RIGHT to feel some shame in receiving government benefits, because at its heart doing so means that you are unable to meet your own obligations without aid. A moral person of good character would recognize this shame and say, "I'm doing this because I have to to survive, but I'm going to get off this dole as fast as possible because I'm better than this." And anyone around that person should be encouraging them to do just that.

Posted by MWR

See, that's the problem.  You're making a moral judgement.  We aren't permitted to do that anymore because fuck you, pay me.

Posted by: Washington Nearsider at April 30, 2013 08:07 AM (fwARV)

286 Posted by: tsrblke (work) at April 30, 2013 12:57 PM (cdwHs)

I read an article somewhere about a person who is a US citizen trying to get all his wife's immigration papers in order and what a nightmare it was.   Someone in the comments said "oh you should just have her sneak in, it's much easier".  I literally drenched my keyboard with my coffee.

Posted by: Caustic at April 30, 2013 08:08 AM (/b8+5)

287 This is slightly O/T but relevant to what you said, I saw a headline that a "Teen Mom" reality tv star had made a porn flick, claiming she need to do it for herself or some other BS, and just sold the rights for a $1 million to Vivid Entertainment. No shame. Posted by: Penfold at April 30, 2013 12:56 PM (Fbt5B) I really doubt Vivid would have paid her a million bucks for the rights. Sure, they may have paid her, but nowhere near that much. Porn stars work pretty cheap.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 30, 2013 08:08 AM (fNpC1)

288 looks like it's time to file a Suspicious Activity Report of money laundering to support terrorist activity by the government with the government since Dodd Frank made anti money laundering an unreimbursed job of mine.

Posted by: X at April 30, 2013 08:11 AM (KHo8t)

289 Posted by: Caustic at April 30, 2013 01:08 PM (/b8+5



Actually, one of my professors (the libertarian one if it matters) was having that problem with his new daughter in law.

His son met her why on deployment or something in mexico (I don't understand the details, he's military, there was mexico, I forget).

Anyway, 3 months in he about lost it trying to get everything straightened out.  At one point he said "My lord, it'd be easier and cheaper to pay a coyote to sneak her across if I didn't care about the law."

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 30, 2013 08:13 AM (cdwHs)

290

en español: estamos sumamente jodidos (we are greatly fucked)

Posted by: fastfreefall at April 30, 2013 08:13 AM (MPEti)

291 I really doubt Vivid would have paid her a million bucks for the rights. Sure, they may have paid her, but nowhere near that much. Porn stars work pretty cheap.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at April 30, 2013 01:08 PM (fNpC1)


Vivid's big deal is offering the star of the month big money for a porn gig.  They're the one's who paid stupid amounts for the Kardasian tape (which was already being pirated everywhere anyway.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work)[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 30, 2013 08:14 AM (cdwHs)

292 Most photos of flat Tstanley show him in the gym. Who paid the membership?

Posted by: Drewbicle at April 30, 2013 08:15 AM (wtoCY)

293

Get the job?

 

Yes, actually.  It kind of set the tone for the next 3 years of my professional life.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at April 30, 2013 08:16 AM (/PCJa)

294 harping on this is only going to drive independnets to the democrats, we need to accept cradle to grave welfare for all the newly arrived democrat/terrorists. It makes your morning commute that much better knowing that you're working for someone so deserving to do so little.

Posted by: joeindc44 says President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho 2016 at April 30, 2013 08:16 AM (QxSug)

295 An alienated, state-supported underclass can be very useful in maintaining and expanding the power of the Ruling Class.  It always helps to have a handy threat when the people who create revolutions (that would usually be the productive classes) get fracticious.  Probably also why the elites of a culture and the criminals of that culture are so often associated.  Mutual aid in maintaining control of their respective subject populations.

Posted by: Genghis Guppy at April 30, 2013 08:23 AM (m4+Rq)

296 When the gang of 8 states that the illegals will have to file and  pay back taxes what they really mean is the low skilled low income workers will file and qualify for EIC. They will then receive a bonanza of up to several thousand US dollars.

Posted by: Bufalobob at April 30, 2013 08:26 AM (bxn1D)

297 Obama referred to the terrorist Bomber Boys as "perpetrators" today at his "press conference".

Posted by: gracepmc at April 30, 2013 08:56 AM (rznx3)

298 A dear friend who is a prosecutor in a major northern metropolitan urban center (rhymes with Crook County) believes the expenditures are $1 million per family over the course of time starting with delivery w/o any pre-natal care; SNAP / WIC; medicaid; school; supplemental lunches and breakfast; the cost of illegal activity (cops, prosecutors, public defenders, judges, jails and probation); and the opportunity cost of lost taxes paid because of illegal business activities. We will drive and look at each roof and then just count. It is a theory. It seems more plausible every day.

Posted by: bigdaddygeo at April 30, 2013 08:58 AM (oFeRI)

299 I was just going with 'idle hands are the devils workshop'.  Just sayin'.

Posted by: AmyB at April 30, 2013 09:39 AM (iRZ55)

300 This is all good. Too bad it has to end. Marxist camp gets out in Austin in a few weeks and the campers head home. There, they will spread the word: four legs good, two legs bad, and no one should like carbon-based energy.

Posted by: MTF at April 30, 2013 12:00 PM (PT7/5)

301 300. Well, that was weird. I was commenting in one thread and somehow I ended up here. The space-time continuum is broken! Or I goofed! One or the other, and now I will walk through life unsure which is true....

Posted by: MTF at April 30, 2013 12:05 PM (WxJTH)

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