March 30, 2007
— Ace Since I swiped so much of Crichton's speeches, I'll throw in a link to a book he published late last year, Next. It's all about the brave new world of the commercialization of our very biology.
In a Charlie Rose interview (this and other interviews found here, either video or transcript form) he discusses how someone now owns the disease Hepatatis C. Owns it. They analyzed the genetic structure and then applied for a patent on the disease-- and got it. So now they own it, and if you want to do research on it, well, you have to license the disease from the patent-holder.
Now that's weird but he chalks that up to a mistake, a goofy ruling from the patent office, and one that will almost certainly be legislatively corrected (if it hasn't been already).
But this is very, very weird. How can this be legal?
MICHAEL CRICHTON: This is an old story, this is like the first story.
1980, a guy named John Moore; he is a construction worker on the Alaska pipeline. Gets sick. Big physical guy. Starts to lose weight, doesn`t feel good at all. Goes to his doctor, who is from the Seattle area. The doctor says you have a very rare form of leukemia, and the only place for you to get treated is UCLA.
He goes down to UCLA, sees the expert there. The guy says, yes, we`ll treat you. It`s - it`s an almost uniformly fatal illness. Has his spleen removed, has other treatments. Has chemotherapy, radiation. Survives.
A year later, he`s going back for testing. Everything is fine.
Everything is fine. One day, his doctor calls him up and says we need you to come back for further testing. Doesn`t say why. Doesn`t say - just, you know, something doesn`t quite look right. So, now he`s going back more
and more often. And this goes on for a period of years.
He`s concerned -- no one actually tells him that he`s still sick, but he`s worried about it. And each time he goes back, they take more tissue and more biopsies, and he has a few more forms to sign. A few more consents, a few more releases.
Finally, they`re getting pretty thick. Eventually, you know, he says to his doctor, you know, it`s difficult for me to come from Seattle. Can`t I do these tests up here? No, you have to come down here. Finally he says, "Are you doing some commercial thing with these tissues?" The doctor says absolutely not.
The guy turns around and discovers that UCLA has made a cell line of his cells, which have the characteristic of producing a very large quantity of anti-cancer agents.
His physician, Dr. Golde, quickly realized the medical and commercial potential of Mr. Moore's cells. Repeated withdraw of "blood, blood serum, skin, bone marrow aspirate, and sperm" was performed on Mr. Moore. With his doctor's advice, part of his spleen was also removed.
In 1984, his doctor patented his cell line without Moore's permission. This patent was then sold to Sandoz Laboratories stocks currently worth about 5 million dollars.
Moore did challenge his doctor's appropriation of his cell line, and the California Court of Appeal noted the irony in the fact that Mr. Moore could not own his own tissue, and that the University of California and the biotech companies saw nothing wrong with having the exclusive control of Moore's spleen.
The Supreme Court of California, however, ruled that the doctor was at fault for failing to inform Moore and getting false consent from him. However, the court denied Moore on the issue of conversion, where Moore claimed the UC and the doctor benefited from his property. The court noted that it was detrimental to research if property status was granted to cells and body parts of the patients. The court also awarded Moore a small amount of money.
Well, the only part that doesn't seem proven is the bit about the repeated extraction of tissue after he'd been cured, solely for the purpose of mining his body for valuable cells. But definitely this was all going on without informing him.
His physician, Dr. Golde...
So Michael Crichton hates science and Jews.
Posted by: stupid typical fucking moonbat at March 30, 2007 11:36 AM (Q7Cxs)
Posted by: mbruce at March 30, 2007 11:37 AM (LLCm9)
'Something doesn't look quite right,'
So doctors can lawfully put patients through travel, discomfort, and unnecessary procedures in order to make money off their tissues. They can even lie to them about the reason why, and still make out like bandits.
Posted by: lauraw at March 30, 2007 11:41 AM (8UhzG)
And that boys and girls is where 'Spleenco' tm got its start...
It was a running joke in acecww back in my usenet days.
Posted by: Gmac at March 30, 2007 11:44 AM (Dx+bN)
Posted by: Iblis at March 30, 2007 11:46 AM (wJkyh)
"...someone now owns the disease Hepatatis C. Owns it."
Hmmm. So if I catch Hep C., am I in possession of stolen property?
Or can I sue the "owner" of Hep C since his property, which he is responsible for, is causing me damages.
The law is a very, very tricky thing...
Posted by: EFG at March 30, 2007 11:48 AM (KEydm)
Posted by: Watcher at March 30, 2007 11:48 AM (oh+4I)
Posted by: slickdpdx at March 30, 2007 11:51 AM (bohOk)
Posted by: Dead deer lover at March 30, 2007 11:55 AM (dCxhM)
DaveS offered an awesome link (prolly contained in the forest of aces reference, but this one is direct) to an NPR debate that included crichton.
I was startled by the fact that the "skeptics" spoke science, and challenged hyperbole, and the supporters spoke in analogous hyperbole about other topics as proof of anthropogenous global warming.
But even more. Near the end of crichtons first appearance, him getting choked up about how the supporters are killing people, that was pretty powerful.
Also, the third performance makes a list of things that prove someone is acting as a lawyer rather than a scientist, meanwhile, his own statements are far more weighted against him based on his own measure of lawyerisms.
Finaly, back to my "I don't trust 'smart' 'educated' 'experts' who never learned how to use their own language in the spoken form. He's constantly smacking his lips clicking his tongue, swallowing loudly, and sniffing in derision. All of which are proof, of a lack of personal faith in ones own statements, requiring one to insult the opinions of others.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 30, 2007 12:55 PM (QTv8u)
My liver hasn't been my own for years.
Posted by: Red Dog at March 30, 2007 01:50 PM (86S3r)
Posted by: italicize me at March 30, 2007 02:06 PM (2hwsa)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 30, 2007 03:34 PM (yikpN)
I DARE him to take my liver cells.
I DARE him.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at March 30, 2007 04:52 PM (QTv8u)
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