June 30, 2006

Weird Crap You Find On The Internet
— Ace

Like this. A philsophy class with some materials on-line. Exploring questions of identity and consciousness, through the, um, Spiderman Clone Saga.

A lot of excerpts from it (just the most important parts, without all the bullshit), going all the way back to the famous death of Gwen Stacy. Starting here.

Sorry if that was a spoiler. But, you know, it's like 30 years old by now.

Odd.

I didn't read this stuff at the time, but my best friend, who'd I'd gotten hooked on Spiderman during the Hobgoblin years, did, and told me the basics. I thought it all sounded pretty dumb, so I stayed away.

But, if you care, there it is.

The other night I was reading a recap of this controversial chapter in Marvel history. Controversial and largely hated, it seems.

I don't know what they were thinking. To compete with big "event" stories that were all the rage in the mid-nineties (and coming much more frequently than necessary to offset the huge decline in the comics market), Marvel decided they'd make their big Spiderman event the revelation that Peter Parker was a clone of the actual Peter Parker. And they actually intended to end the storyline by replacing the clone Peter Parker (the one whose stories readers had been following for 20+ years) with the real Peter Parker (whom they'd never heard of before, and who was calling himself not Peter Parker but "Ben Reilly").

And they saw this is as a smart way to get him out of his marriage to Mary Jane (another "event"), which they now found was really putting a crimp in his dating life.

Genius.

Well, anyway, you won't be surprised to learn they eventually waved a magic wand and reversed all this silliness, but they really were, apparently, intending to retire the Peter Parker everyone knew in favor of his clone-brother "Ben Reilly." Because Ben Reilly was single, could still date, and thus seemed younger to readers.

It's amazing to me I'm not running the media yet.

Posted by: Ace at 04:39 PM | Comments (21)
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Posted by: ZRyan at June 30, 2006 04:52 PM (LiJvd)

2 Yeahhhhh... I just read that.

I didn't want to admit it.

In my defense, I seriously started skimming past episode 15.

Posted by: ace at June 30, 2006 05:02 PM (h7Mal)

3 I've found a comic I like even better than Spider-Man. The Adventures of Dr. McNinja. Effing hilarious.

Posted by: Nathan Wazoo at June 30, 2006 05:18 PM (XxEd0)

4 It's amazing to me I'm not running the media yet.Ace, let's be honest-- it's amazing you're not *dead or in jail* yet.

Cheers,
Dave at Garfield Ridge

Posted by: Dave at Garfield Ridge at June 30, 2006 05:41 PM (kc9zT)

5 I was never a spidey fan. I was more fascinated with the social, and racial concepts of X-men. I only got attached to Spidy for 2 reasons. One is that I had easy access tp "peter parker/spiderman" or whatever the specific title was, and the fact that "Web of Spider Man just started" and I could own a popularly owned "number 1" without effort.

Anywyas, fact is that peter parker, and Web, were all about the life of peter parker, and how being spidey affected his life.

Fact is that in about the 5th release the story got boring, just like with the wolvy comic.

They are Big characters, in ensemble, and they deal with big issues. The faile, when it's all about them.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at June 30, 2006 06:56 PM (QTv8u)

6 Off topic:

Did Ace post something about a software program that helped with organization a month or so ago?

Does anyone remember that post?

Posted by: Enrak at July 01, 2006 05:21 AM (1AGiq)

7 Their ideas make a certain kind of marketing sense, but they destroy years of continuity and loyalty to the product, which was just stupid. The whole storyline was repugnant and ruined many people on the comic. I used to be a huge spiderman fan and stopped collecting any of the books permanently when they did the clone vomit.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 01, 2006 10:12 AM (Pwzb0)

8 Great site. My wife wants a divorce.

Eat at Joe's!

Posted by: spammer at July 01, 2006 11:53 AM (laOCl)

9 Ugh. I remember the Clone Saga. I was about, what, ten at that point, and I'd go to the grocery store and poke around on their comic racks for the latest issue. Then the Green Goblin showed up, and Ben Reilly sort of evaporated into this grey mist, 'cuz HE was the clone all along. What a bunch of-

Oh, crap! Marvel's spoiler-alert troops are gonna hunt me down. Excuse me.

Posted by: Tungsten Monk at July 01, 2006 03:59 PM (XLNma)

10 Wow, that was deep. Thanks for that, Ace. Full of '70's Spidey goodness.

Godammit, why did I sell my comic collection? Dr. Strange, Avengers, Spiderman, X-Men (Byrne golden age) What If?, Daredevil, Fantastic Four (Byrne golden age), etc. etc. etc.

*Sigh*

Posted by: fugazi at July 01, 2006 08:34 PM (WXv+O)

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13 Leprosy sounds like a better skin condition than what I have.

Eat at Joe's

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14 Great design. My wife left me. I have herpes.
Buy Chiclets online!

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Posted by: asshole spammer at July 02, 2006 12:19 PM (eoYt1)

18 Nothing is sacred to those idiots they turned MIGHTY MOUSE into a drug adict

Posted by: spurwing plover at July 02, 2006 01:53 PM (S97cI)

19 That's a great link - it's so odd to contrast the first-point narration style of the old DC & Marvel Comics, as compared to the series of the Vertigo line, where much of the characters' inner thoughts are left out intentionally. Or not.

Posted by: agent bedhead at July 02, 2006 05:14 PM (xV63t)

20 Godammit, why did I sell my comic collection? Dr. Strange, Avengers, Spiderman, X-Men (Byrne golden age) What If?, Daredevil, Fantastic Four (Byrne golden age), etc. etc. etc.

*Sigh*

Posted by fugazi


I have Avengers 4, Tales of suspense 38, behind the times on spidey, my earliest x-men is 3, but never read it, my next closes is X-men 61 or 62 (first appearance of sunfire) I don't remember my What If's but I LOVED THEM, and my first daredevil is #7 last appearance of the yellow, and first of the red suit.

You love my comics, for that, I will tell my skanky little piece of pooterific experience and have her give you a hand job!

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