February 28, 2011

Walker: You've Got 24 Hours To Return To Work Or Else I Start Laying People Off
— Ace

He sounds the right noises, noting he will still avoid layoff for as long as possible.

But if the Fleebaggers don't return to save the state's finances, he will not wait on them, and will start saving money through "aggressive" cost-curbing measures and layoffs.

I actually had hoped, upon seeing the headline, that he had decided to go with the quorum-avoiding tactic of just offering this packages as a non-budgetary one. There is justification for that: If the Fleebaggers are going to employ angle-shooting cheats to impose their will, Walker and the Republican Senators are justified in angle-shooting in return. (Angle-shooting is an aggressive, borderline-cheating style of poker play which basically consists of breaking rules in a deliberate but accidental-seeming manner but then relying on other players' sense of fair play to overlook the rules-breaking.)

But this is okay too. The public is with Walker and the forces of reform; Walker is setting this up so that his hand is forced.

Posted by: Ace at 10:03 AM | Comments (165)
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1 Kick ass! Names are not important.

Looks like Walker, WI Ranger finally ran out of bubblegum.

Posted by: sifty at February 28, 2011 10:04 AM (Q6tnr)

2 I wanted to see them start passing all kinds of new rules and laws to kill the Dems.

Just laying off teachers is actually a surrender because as soon as the flap is over they will just hire them back.

Besides that, the damn unions don't care if they lay off teachers or not. They have already shown that in every State that tried to work with them.

Posted by: Vic at February 28, 2011 10:06 AM (M9Ie6)

3 He can start with the 14 runaway Dem senators.  How much WI money do they cost taxpayers with this stunt?  Are they really going to expense this when they come back, because holy shit I want to see what happens when they try to!

Posted by: EC at February 28, 2011 10:07 AM (mAhn3)

4 As I understand the situation, this "deadline" is only "his" in the sense that he came out and said it.  I read a couple of articles on it this morning, and it seems like he's saying that if they don't vote on this tomorrow, they'll have missed their shot to refinance some loans.  If that happens, he has to cut costs even if the entire rest of his bill gets passed.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 28, 2011 10:07 AM (8y9MW)

5

I'm thinking the Democrats want him to go with the layoffs.

Ask yourself, what is more damaging to the state democratic party, 6000 teachers losing their jobs, or the potential loss of campaign funding that would result from CBA restrictions?

 

I think this was there plan all along.

 

However, I think Walker should proper f*ck them

Have the layoffs, then when the Senators come back, vote on and pass the bill anyway

Posted by: Ben at February 28, 2011 10:08 AM (wuv1c)

6 >>>Just laying off teachers is actually a surrender because as soon as the flap is over they will just hire them back. It's not a surrender. At most, according to your argument, it is not tough enough stuff, but that doesn't foreclose more aggressive measures later. Walker is handling this pretty well. You can't be too far ahead of the public -- which is what your suggestion amounts to, getting out ahead of public opinion and getting punitive. This stuff appeals to partisans who already know who the bad guys and good guys are but not to the muddle-headed middle. Walker is doing a pretty good job of continuing to seem reasonable and sadly driven into distasteful actions by the Fleebaggers as opposed to actively wishing to do them. if he ultimately caves, that's one thing, but I don't see his current posture of reasonableness and more-in-sadness-than-anger stuff as surrender.

Posted by: ace at February 28, 2011 10:11 AM (nj1bB)

7 Walker: Badger Tamer

Posted by: Radagast the Fool at February 28, 2011 10:12 AM (2fU2Q)

8 The thing I don't get is the repubs in the WI senate playing nicey-nice and not passing stuff not needing a quorum.  They should have passed at least 1 a day.  And keep on doing it, there are no dems there to offer amendments and slow things down.  This seems a huge opportunity that they are missing.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 28, 2011 10:14 AM (xdHzq)

9 What happened to voter id?

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at February 28, 2011 10:16 AM (c5RQr)

10 Has this been ONT'd yet? What am I? The pseudo-fap simulation seems apropos of something.

Posted by: alexthedude at February 28, 2011 10:20 AM (6UQrJ)

11 Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 28, 2011 03:14 PM (xdHzq)

I'm not sure...

If it were me, I'd be tempted (just based on the information I have- which necessarily and obviously leaves out any specific internal knowledge those legislators have) to "stand firm" on this, but show that I'm just being stalwart and stoic and honorable.  By this theory, what I would be doing is breaking the Democrats' remaining power while securing (or, at least, fortifying) my own place in public opinion as "one of the good guys."

Then, once the deadline passes or something the public can see changes, I change my stance to ("more out of sadness than anger") "They had their chance.  We tried to wait for them as long as possible," and then start passing those non-quorum bills.

That strategy would necessitate tactics such as we're seeing: that is, it would prevent the immediate passing of any non-quorum bills.

Again, that's just my guess as to their thought processes- neither an endorsement of their current tactics, nor confirmation that I would do exactly the same in the same circumstance- just I can kind of see what they might be doing.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 28, 2011 10:21 AM (8y9MW)

12 Firing teachers first gives Walker cover for a later decertification off all public employee unions.  Either the Dem legislators return once teachers start losing their jobs, and admit defeat, or they stay away, and Walker can claim that they are playing politics with the livelihood of thousands of state workers. 

Posted by: Alex at February 28, 2011 10:23 AM (J2ejK)

13 Go Gov! 

Posted by: Y-not at February 28, 2011 10:24 AM (pW2o8)

14 He should sue the unions and the Dem Party for the $165 million

Posted by: richard mcenroe at February 28, 2011 10:25 AM (rdpCA)

15 It seems pretty aggressive to me. Keep raising the temperature until it just gets too hot for them to stay away.

Posted by: joncelli at February 28, 2011 10:25 AM (RD7QR)

16 I think Walker is doing a great job, and I know many independents who feel the same, many of them are not in unions, and a few are in private sector unions.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at February 28, 2011 10:25 AM (ACkhT)

17

Part of me thinks he should have done this a week ago. The other part of me has enjoyed watchign the collective meltdown of the Professional Left over the last couple of weeks.

As usual, give them enough rope...

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 28, 2011 10:25 AM (pLTLS)

18 The whole point to clutching to their collective bargaining racket is to steal back anything they give up once they've bought enough politicians to take back the legislature.

IOW, they'll play nice now, but they wanna keep the bat.

Posted by: nickless at February 28, 2011 10:27 AM (MMC8r)

19 Maybe the GOV of Wisconsin can cancel the Health Insurance of those Dems hiding out of Sate? Just a thought. Not doing their jobs, they don't deserve benefits

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 28, 2011 10:27 AM (0GFWk)

20 Even if these clowns come back, he should fire them. They engage in an illegal job action, committed fraud on TV, and it seems like the police were derelict in the duties towards public safety. There should be a price for them to pay beyond "We Win".

Posted by: Iblis at February 28, 2011 10:29 AM (9221z)

21 I wonder how long they can go without paychecks. I wonder if they're being subsidized by the unions. I wonder if that's illegal...

Posted by: joncelli at February 28, 2011 10:29 AM (RD7QR)

22

Walker can't fire any teachers.  They all have their contracts with the local city, town, or villages.  The layoffs will come from the State workers who, ironically, staid on the job during the protests. 

The Dem's  don't care about layoffs and in fact want the layoffs.

Posted by: WishRich at February 28, 2011 10:30 AM (hdpay)

23

Great idea . . . if he commits to it.  I'm not sure he will.

I am sure that President Present ripped him - though not by name -today during the governors' meeting, claiming states shouldn't violate the rights of the citizenry or some such shit.

I hate the man.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 28, 2011 10:30 AM (zgZzy)

24 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 28, 2011 03:21 PM (8y9MW)

I am thinking more of just normal course of business stuff that they want their way, not necessarily major stick it in their eye stuff.  I could be wrong, but they seem to have just shut down waiting for the dems to come back.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at February 28, 2011 10:31 AM (xdHzq)

25 staid = stayed

Posted by: WishRich at February 28, 2011 10:31 AM (hdpay)

26 21 I wonder how long they can go without paychecks. I wonder if they're being subsidized by the unions. I wonder if that's illegal...

Apparently, one of the election boards in WI, mainly appointed by the previous Dem governor, has declared that the Fleebaggers can use their campaign war chests to fund this excursion.

That may work fine for the ones elected in 2010, but the ones elected in 2008 may need that money soon to fight a recall.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 28, 2011 10:31 AM (bxvFd)

27 What Walker is doing that is very smart is that he's controlling events, and making it look like he's simply reacting to the inevitable, rather than forcing a crisis. He comes off as a pretty reasonable and fair guy -- especially when compared to the shouting, drum-banging hippies outside. The prank-call only made people like him more because he pretty much says the same stuff in private that he says in public. (He ought to send the prankster a thank-you note for the free PR.) Walker benefits from being so obviously and plainly on the right side of this issue. The more the union thugs and liberal douchebags scream and howl, the better he looks to most of the taxpayers.

Posted by: Monty at February 28, 2011 10:32 AM (4Pleu)

28 I hate the man. Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 28, 2011 03:30 PM (zgZzy) I was on my best behavior this weekend, the Secret Service was recruiting at the Navy Reserve Center this whole weekend.

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 28, 2011 10:32 AM (0GFWk)

29 8 The thing I don't get is the repubs in the WI senate playing nicey-nice and not passing stuff not needing a quorum.

No need to put down the "scorched earth" tactics yet. There is still time for that, if the Democrats still refuse to play ball.

Note, by the way, that the Governor can lay off people and *STILL* have the State legislature make all the union related reforms he campaigned on.

Its not an either/or.


Posted by: looking closely at February 28, 2011 10:34 AM (PwGfd)

30

Oh my.

Maybe someone sees the handwriting on the wall, huh?\

(that link will take you to the Slimes, fyi)

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 28, 2011 10:34 AM (pLTLS)

31
Oh that's just great.
Just when I was getting ready for a power lunch.
What I mean by power lunch dozen cheeseburgers, gallon of pop, fries all of them whole cheese cake the waiter and table.

Posted by: Richard Trumka at February 28, 2011 10:34 AM (8/QZP)

32

I was on my best behavior this weekend, the Secret Service was recruiting at the Navy Reserve Center this whole weekend.

 

I have a friend who works there.  This is probably obvious, but most of his detail despises Michelle Obama.  Says she's ignorant and arrogant, and she treats them like servants.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 28, 2011 10:36 AM (zgZzy)

33 Enough time has passed. If Walker were truly serious he would not issue an ultimatum.

Posted by: moi at February 28, 2011 10:37 AM (Ez4Ql)

34 I have a friend who works there. This is probably obvious, but most of his detail despises Michelle Obama. Says she's ignorant and arrogant, and she treats them like servants. Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 28, 2011 03:36 PM (zgZzy) I don't doubt it. Both he and she look and act like nasty bastards to me

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 28, 2011 10:38 AM (0GFWk)

35

I don't doubt it. Both he and she look and act like nasty bastards to me.

 

And it's not a Dem/GOP thing, either, since he said the USSS loved Clinton.  Not as much as GWB, but Slick Willy was a decent guy.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 28, 2011 10:39 AM (zgZzy)

36 Can he lay off the Democratic State Senator's Staffs?

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 28, 2011 10:39 AM (0GFWk)

37 #33:

If I was on that detail, I'd be prone to sprains.

Posted by: sifty at February 28, 2011 10:40 AM (Q6tnr)

38 Snake Plissken in... E S C A P E F R O M M A D I S O N "Snake has 24 hours to clear the state house building of all vermin, bums, and scum, or else."

Posted by: Soothsayer writes for the National Enquirer at February 28, 2011 10:40 AM (uFokq)

39 BTW, all you "libs are wusses" I remind you, they are scary, especially if they have the police on their side. Even more important reason to ban PSU's. If I were Walker and I even sniffed an idea that the police would not do their jobs over union considerations, fire them all and call up the national guard. Seriously, this is a democracy, we don't have policy dictated to us by our civil servants.

Posted by: joeindc44 at February 28, 2011 10:40 AM (QxSug)

40 And it's not a Dem/GOP thing, either, since he said the USSS loved Clinton. Not as much as GWB, but Slick Willy was a decent guy. Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 28, 2011 03:39 PM (zgZzy) I have heard that, and he seems like a guy, while I disagree with politically, would be a good time charlie when out for a beer. And I notice you left Hillary out

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 28, 2011 10:40 AM (0GFWk)

41

And I notice you left Hillary out.

 

You noticed that, huh? 

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 28, 2011 10:41 AM (zgZzy)

42 I think Walker is being too soft, I don't think there is a risk of moving too fast for the public on this. I think most ppl are pretty pissed at the tantrum of the unions there.

I also agree with Ben in the sidebar that the police's decision not to remove the protesters from the capitol is very worrisome. I think there is a lot of room for doubt about whose side the police will be on when push truly comes to shove.

Posted by: KG at February 28, 2011 10:41 AM (2k/Dg)

43 Seriously, if the cops in Madison won't enforce order in the State House, are they going to keep some commie loon from shooting Walker?

The left is full of assassins and generally violent goons. I would not trust any of those cops to stop an assassin after the performance they have put on these last few weeks.

Posted by: sifty at February 28, 2011 10:43 AM (Q6tnr)

44 He should have added "or I'll start bashing in heads with this baseball bat the Koch Brothers gave me". Just to stir the pot.

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at February 28, 2011 10:43 AM (IoUF1)

45 O/T
Britain to step in an act like adults, Barry votes present.

http://tinyurl.com/4hak3r3


Posted by: Kemp at February 28, 2011 10:43 AM (JpFM9)

46

Posted by: Monty at February 28, 2011 03:32 PM (4Pleu)

Yes, I think that is forrect. The union thugs scream and yell and threaten, and try to  intimidate, while the reasonable and thoughtful Gov. handles the situation in a most grim and efficient mannor. The union looks like the fat pig lowlifes they are, and the Governor looks like Fearless Leader.

Posted by: maddogg at February 28, 2011 10:43 AM (OlN4e)

47 holy shit, the Real Guys ad on the main page is creepy -- those dudes look like the wanted photos you see in the Post Office.

Posted by: Soothsayer writes for the National Enquirer at February 28, 2011 10:44 AM (uFokq)

48

I also agree with Ben in the sidebar that the police's decision not to remove the protesters from the capitol is very worrisome. I think there is a lot of room for doubt about whose side the police will be on when push truly comes to shove.

 

In Madison, anyway.  How a police officer can follow a union so blindly - at the expense of his or her oath - is beyond me.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 28, 2011 10:44 AM (zgZzy)

49 Ace, Instapundant suggested he would default on debt coming up, since he will not have quorum to roll it over.

The fleebaggers are fucked!

Posted by: Kemp at February 28, 2011 10:44 AM (JpFM9)

50 I also agree with Ben in the sidebar that the police's decision not to remove the protesters from the capitol is very worrisome. I think there is a lot of room for doubt about whose side the police will be on when push truly comes to shove.

Fortunately the National Guard doesn't have a union.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 28, 2011 10:46 AM (TpXEI)

51

Part of me thinks he should have done this a week ago. The other part of me has enjoyed watchign the collective meltdown of the Professional Left over the last couple of weeks.

I think waiting the extra week has been a smart thing. For one, he can credibly claim that the deadline for refinancing the state's debt has passed; had he done it last week, he could taken legitimate criticism that he rushed into layoffs without taking all the available time. He also hoisted the Fleebaggers on their own petards by reminding people that they claimed that they only wanted time so that the people could learn more about the proposal, and he agreed that they have now had plenty of time to do so.

I would also like to think that your enjoyment of their meltdown is another part of the strategy; namely, knowing that the Professional Left is composed of crackpots and malcontents, make sure to give them enough rope to hang themselves. Helps to shore up support with the Silent Majority and all of that.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at February 28, 2011 10:46 AM (JxMoP)

52 Is anyone else slightly worried about the 24 hour thing? Looking at Walker's webpage it isn't very specific on consequences but throwing out a 24 hour notice is. Walker looks like a stand-up guy but unless something concrete and big happens, does this not look like bluster? I hope he has something up his sleeve.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 28, 2011 10:46 AM (AZGON)

53

Oh good, I'm glad I'm not the only person getting those ads. They look like they're advertising for ghey online hook-ups or something.

And I'm also getting another ad about 'Why women love jerks. Find out 'nice guys' lose to 'bad boys' every time and what to do about it....."

It's like Dear Abby and/or Love Line up in this joint today.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 28, 2011 10:47 AM (pLTLS)

54 All legislative expense accounts are immediately eliminated! Hotels are no longer covered and meals other than Coward's Soup are not included.

Hey wait, will the IRS pick up that these legislators are out of state for the noted period? Will the legislators have to file as temporary residents of Illinois? Will that disqualify them from holding office in Wisconsin?

C'mon IRS. WOO HOO!

Posted by: Marcus at February 28, 2011 10:48 AM (CHrmZ)

55 " 43 I think Walker is being too soft, I don't think there is a risk of moving too fast for the public on this. I think most ppl are pretty pissed at the tantrum of the unions there.

I also agree with Ben in the sidebar that the police's decision not to remove the protesters from the capitol is very worrisome. I think there is a lot of room for doubt about whose side the police will be on when push truly comes to shove."   Walker is doing just fine.  Right now, the capital only has one or two dozen people left in it.  The capitol police won't let anyone else in until the existing protestors leave.  Walker let them scream until they were all screamed out and quietly put conditions in place which would lead to an eventual clear out.    Just like driving the heard.

Posted by: WishRich at February 28, 2011 10:48 AM (hdpay)

56 #54

Lacey, Ad blocker, it be free for fox fire!

Posted by: Kemp at February 28, 2011 10:48 AM (JpFM9)

57

Opening joke:  Subway is a lot like prostitution.  You pay someone to do your wife's job.

Post content:  Why do Democrats always say that people are too stupid to get their ideas, and that Republicans are just better at messaging, while Republicans say that Republicans are too stupid to do the right thing, and Democrats are just better at politics (dirty or otherwise)?

Seriously.  It's something I've noticed.

Posted by: Truman North at February 28, 2011 10:48 AM (8ay4x)

58 49

I also agree with Ben in the sidebar that the police's decision not to remove the protesters from the capitol is very worrisome. I think there is a lot of room for doubt about whose side the police will be on when push truly comes to shove.

In Madison, anyway.  How a police officer can follow a union so blindly - at the expense of his or her oath - is beyond me.

The police union / organization in LA is also coming out in favor of the protesters in Madison, asking the rank and file to support MoveOn and the SEIU Purple People Beaters.  A lot of commenters on that organization's blog were calling them out for telling them they should side with those particular groups.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 28, 2011 10:48 AM (bxvFd)

59 9 What happened to voter id? Posted by: Flapjackmaka

Infringement on liberty. Violates US Constitution.

Posted by: Some Idiot Judge at February 28, 2011 10:48 AM (mka2b)

60 yeah, the Why Women Love Jerks ad came up right after Ace wrote his Palin post. heh

Posted by: Soothsayer writes for the National Enquirer at February 28, 2011 10:48 AM (uFokq)

61 Let's try this again.   56 " 43 I think Walker is being too soft, I don't think there is a risk of moving too fast for the public on this. I think most ppl are pretty pissed at the tantrum of the unions there.

I also agree with Ben in the sidebar that the police's decision not to remove the protesters from the capitol is very worrisome. I think there is a lot of room for doubt about whose side the police will be on when push truly comes to shove."  
  Walker is doing just fine.  Right now, the capital only has one or two dozen people left in it.  The capitol police won't let anyone else in until the existing protestors leave.  Walker let them scream until they were all screamed out and quietly put conditions in place which would lead to an eventual clear out.    Just like driving the heard.

Posted by: WishRich at February 28, 2011 10:49 AM (hdpay)

62 59

By "LA", I mean Los Angeles and not Louisiana in this particular case.

Instapundit's got a link to that organization's blog post on the subject, which is the same as a letter they sent out to their members.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 28, 2011 10:49 AM (bxvFd)

63 If women really loved jerks, I'd be getting a lot more tail.

Posted by: maddogg at February 28, 2011 10:49 AM (OlN4e)

64 57 #54 Yup, have it on my pc at home but can't install that on a work pc.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 28, 2011 10:50 AM (pLTLS)

65 "Walker: You've Got 24 Hours To Return To Work Or Else You Go To Prison.

Would have worked.

Posted by: tangonine at February 28, 2011 10:50 AM (x3YFz)

66 the secret is to be a jerk, not a jerk-jerk

Posted by: Whoopi at February 28, 2011 10:50 AM (uFokq)

67 If women really loved jerks, I'd be getting a lot more tail. Posted by: maddogg at February 28, 2011 03:49 PM (OlN4e) I was thinking of putting that on my Tomestone

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 28, 2011 10:51 AM (0GFWk)

68 the secret is to be a jerk, not a jerk-jerk Posted by: Whoopi at February 28, 2011 03:50 PM (uFokq) Well if they all looked like you woopie, jerk-jerk is all I'd ever want

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 28, 2011 10:52 AM (0GFWk)

69 63 59

By "LA", I mean Los Angeles and not Louisiana in this particular case.

LA?  That be Lower Alabama.

Posted by: Kemp at February 28, 2011 10:52 AM (JpFM9)

70 "What Walker is doing that is very smart is that he's controlling events, and making it look like he's simply reacting to the inevitable, rather than forcing a crisis. He comes off as a pretty reasonable and fair guy -- especially when compared to the shouting, drum-banging hippies outside." Well put. "50 Ace, Instapundant suggested he would default on debt coming up, since he will not have quorum to roll it over." Okay, now I am getting wood.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 28, 2011 10:52 AM (AZGON)

71 58

Opening joke:  Subway is a lot like prostitution.  You pay someone to do your wife's job.

Posted by: Truman North at February 28, 2011 03:48 PM (8ay4x)

Having been married for 11 years, I'd have to offer that my wife's opinion is that (no matter what it is) it's not her job, it's my privilege.

Posted by: tangonine at February 28, 2011 10:52 AM (x3YFz)

72 the profile of the guy in the hat at the top: "I like single moms. And I'll never rape you and steal your babies."

Posted by: Whoopi at February 28, 2011 10:52 AM (uFokq)

73 voter id?

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at February 28, 2011 10:53 AM (c5RQr)

74

The police union / organization in LA is also coming out in favor of the protesters in Madison, asking the rank and file to support MoveOn and the SEIU Purple People Beaters.  A lot of commenters on that organization's blog were calling them out for telling them they should side with those particular groups.

Despite our dark blue status in Philly, most of the cops here are conservative.  Something like this happens here, I can almost guarantee my co-workers will side with Governor Corbett.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 28, 2011 10:53 AM (zgZzy)

75 74 voter id?

Posted by: Flapjackmaka at February 28, 2011 03:53 PM (c5RQr)

show me yours and I'll show you mine!

Posted by: tangonine at February 28, 2011 10:53 AM (x3YFz)

76

Well if they all looked like you woopie, jerk-jerk is all I'd ever want

Ditto, or cut it off to remove the danger. But I don't think there is enough booze in the world. That is one seriously ugly female homo sapian.

Posted by: maddogg at February 28, 2011 10:54 AM (OlN4e)

77 73
the profile of the guy in the hat at the top: "I like single moms. And I'll never rape you and steal your babies."

Posted by: Whoopi at February 28, 2011 03:52 PM (uFokq)

What else could you ask for?

Posted by: tangonine at February 28, 2011 10:54 AM (x3YFz)

78 has anyone seen my eyebrows?

Posted by: Whoopi at February 28, 2011 10:54 AM (uFokq)

79

FWIW, I think this will turn into an open thread. Well it kind of has, I suppose.

That other thread below is everything you'd expect it to be.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 28, 2011 10:55 AM (pLTLS)

80 79
has anyone seen my eyebrows?

Posted by: Whoopi at February 28, 2011 03:54 PM (uFokq)

Hot dog.  Hallway.

Posted by: Ted Danson at February 28, 2011 10:56 AM (x3YFz)

81

"I like single moms. And I'll never rape you and steal your babies."

That was my go-to line in high school!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 28, 2011 10:56 AM (zgZzy)

82 Whoopi, don't you rmember? You rubbed them off on the "carpet".

Posted by: sifty at February 28, 2011 10:57 AM (Q6tnr)

83 82

"I like single moms. And I'll never rape you and steal your babies."

That was my go-to line in high school!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 28, 2011 03:56 PM (zgZzy)

I always got the "rape you and steal your babies" part flipped, no wonder it never worked!

Posted by: tangonine at February 28, 2011 10:58 AM (x3YFz)

84 Gotta love the sidebar blurb "Last Friday…. after the Assembly voted to engross the Budget Repair Bill, [Wisconsin State Rep. Gordon] Hintz turned to a female colleague, Rep. Michelle Litjens and said: “You are F***king dead!” Well, at least he did not show her a map with crosshairs on it. Seriously, a man said that to a woman. I'll bet any one of us could take him with one hand and one foot tied behind our backs. What a worm.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 28, 2011 11:00 AM (AZGON)

85

The police union / organization in LA is also coming out in favor of the protesters in Madison, asking the rank and file to support MoveOn and the SEIU Purple People Beaters.  A lot of commenters on that organization's blog were calling them out for telling them they should side with those particular groups.

I would venture to say that cops are more conservative than the average government employee. I would also guess that in general higher rank = less conservative.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at February 28, 2011 11:00 AM (JxMoP)

86 I also agree with Ben in the sidebar that the police's decision not to remove the protesters from the capitol is very worrisome. I think there is a lot of room for doubt about whose side the police will be on when push truly comes to shove.

Posted by: KG at February 28, 2011 03:41 PM (2k/Dg)

 

Yup.  I got the same impression when I was talking to an ex-policeman a couple of weekends ago.  We won't be able to depend on them if the shit really hits the fan.  I guess it's one more element in which this regime is dividing us. 

Posted by: Soona at February 28, 2011 11:03 AM (efdtN)

87

Well, Governor Walker has drawn the line in the sand.

What's the penalty if one crosses it? I'd really like to know 'cause this shit's coming to Florida soon.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 28, 2011 11:03 AM (b6qrg)

88 The conservatism in law enforcement seems to be squeezed out as they climb the ranks. Once they are in any way associated with City Hall, forget it. They are Trumka with a badge.

Lots of my buddies were cops and cops' sons at one time. Now, not so much.

Posted by: sifty at February 28, 2011 11:04 AM (Q6tnr)

89 Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at February 28, 2011 04:00 PM (JxMoP)

Every time I see your sock, I think about Lee.  He was a great guy.

Posted by: Kemp at February 28, 2011 11:04 AM (JpFM9)

90 I mean for the fleebaggers, not the teachers. Isn't there some kind of penalty for not doing your job and causing teacher layoffs besides the obvious PR negativity?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at February 28, 2011 11:06 AM (b6qrg)

91

In Madison, anyway.  How a police officer can follow a union so blindly - at the expense of his or her oath - is beyond me.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at February 28, 2011 03:44 PM (zgZzy)

Well, true, the worst offenders are likely to be in Democrat strongholds than not.

Posted by: KG at February 28, 2011 11:06 AM (2k/Dg)

92 58:  I won't belabor an old point.  Suffice it to say, those who can't, go into politics.  It's all they're good at, and they have plenty of time to get even better, as opposed to folks who have better things to do.  This comes back to bite us, quite frequently.

Posted by: AoSHQ's worst commenter, DarkLord at February 28, 2011 11:06 AM (GBXon)

93 oops, *more likely

Posted by: KG at February 28, 2011 11:06 AM (2k/Dg)

94

Having been married for 11 years, I'd have to offer that my wife's opinion is that (no matter what it is) it's not her job, it's my privilege.

I've been married 11 years as of March 5th.  And my wife has never made me a sandwich.  NEVARRR

Posted by: Truman North at February 28, 2011 11:07 AM (8ay4x)

95 The first teachers that need to be fired are the ones who accepted and used the fraudulent doctor's excuses.

Posted by: Soona at February 28, 2011 11:08 AM (efdtN)

96 For decades Americans have watched the quality of the education in public schools decline while the amount of spending on public school education has skyrocketed. What accounts for the disparity between amount of funding vs. performance? Here's the dirty secret about how teacher's unions use collective bargaining. While everyone focuses mostly on the FINANCIAL side of the coin, there are plenty of other things unions are using their collective bargaining power for. And before we discuss what it is, we need to remember something about the basic nature of a Public Employee Union, and especially of teachers unions: These unions exist for one purpose: TO ENSURE SECURITY FOR THEIR MEMBERS AND TO MAKE THEIR JOBS MORE REWARDING AND EASIER. Period. Full stop. How many times have you ever heard somebody say "Teachers and administrators need to do something to improve the public schools." Here's a new flash: quality control and job performance oversight are NOT what PEU's exist for. It's not the job of the teachers unions to worry about how well teachers are doing their job. The teachers union's job is to ensure more pay, better benefits, and job security for it's members. AND THAT'S IT. That's all the union is supposed to do. Well if it's not the job of the adults who actually WORK in the public schools to ensure quality control in the schools, whose job is it? It's the job of the elected legislators, who represent the taxpayers who are footing the bill for the public schools. It's THEIR job to be the quality control board for the public schools and to have oversight on the job performance of the employees there. This brings up the question: if it's the job of the elected representatives to have quality control oversight of the public schools, why are so many public schools in such sad sack shape? Are they not doing their jobs? Are they making no efforts to improve the performance of the public employees under their purview, and ensure that America's public school children get the best education possible? And here's the brutal truth: PLENTY of state representatives have been TRYING to bring much needed reforms to the public school system for DECADES and getting NOWHERE because the teachers unions use their collective bargaining power to thwart them. Time and again people who would bring reform to the public schools run headlong into a battle with teachers unions who are determined to maintain the status quo because it's in their favor. Unions exist to make life EASIER and more beneficial for their members. Every time state law makers try to bring change to the public schools, the teachers unions go "You are NOT going to be allowed to make the job of our members harder, more time consuming and less rewarding." And then they use their collective bargaining to reject attempted reforms. What does this mean? The public schools are NO LONGER under the control of the elected representatives of the taxpayers. They are under the control of the unions. And remember: UNIONS DON'T EXIST TO WORRY ABOUT QUALITY CONTROL. Is performance declining? Well gee that's a shame. But it's not the union's job to worry about that. But even thought it's not the job of the union to exercise quality control over the schools, they sure can make it their job to thwart, frustrate and fight the people who DO have that job. Which is exactly what they HAVE been doing. True reform to the public schools is NOT HAPPENING until the de facto control of those schools is wrested away from the teachers unions and it is given back to the people who should really have it. THAT is the other half of this fight over collective bargaining.

Posted by: manofaiki at February 28, 2011 11:08 AM (uSh7j)

97

And it's not a Dem/GOP thing, either, since he said the USSS loved Clinton.  Not as much as GWB, but Slick Willy was a decent guy.

Of course they did.  Groupies have to work their way up to the frontman for the band, dontchaknow?

Posted by: Alex at February 28, 2011 11:09 AM (kwNeL)

98 That other thread below is everything you'd expect it to be.

Anybody who goes on one of Ace's Palin threads deserves what they get.

Posted by: nickless at February 28, 2011 11:09 AM (MMC8r)

99

I've been married 11 years as of March 5th.

Two points -

1. Congratulations!

2. No way you're not getting laid. It falls on a Sat. No excuses.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 28, 2011 11:11 AM (pLTLS)

100 100...hey, that was a personal gift to me from Ace...TEH ACE!1!1!!!!11!!

Plus it may actually hit 300 posts...based on today's traffic, that's steeroong. 

Posted by: The Hammer at February 28, 2011 11:13 AM (32ubA)

101 "2. No way you're not getting laid. It falls on a Sat. No excuses." Does this run afoul of union overtime regulations? And does a shop steward need to be present?

Posted by: George Orwell at February 28, 2011 11:13 AM (AZGON)

102

Lacey-

Thanks. 

1) If I killed her on our wedding night, I'd probably be out on parole by now.

2) Sounds like a threat to me.  I'm like Al Bundy without the lucrative and exciting career.

Posted by: Truman North at February 28, 2011 11:13 AM (8ay4x)

103

And does a shop steward need to be present?

Hey, whatever you two need to spice it up after eleven years - have at it!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 28, 2011 11:14 AM (pLTLS)

104

On that note, the kids need beating and the dog needs to do her homework.  And the Wii isn't going to play itself...

bye for now!

Posted by: Truman North at February 28, 2011 11:14 AM (8ay4x)

105 I got back in time for this thread.  So I guess the last thread is now full of blood and grue.  I'll check it out.

Posted by: Soona at February 28, 2011 11:16 AM (efdtN)

106 One concern with the National Guard is not the Guard itself, but that if it gets to the point where Governor Walker has to call them out, Barry will find an excuse to federalize them.  The easiest thing would be to declare one side or the other in a state of 'insurrection'.  Even if the courts later overturned it, it would be after he forced his own solution on WI.

Posted by: Alex at February 28, 2011 11:16 AM (kwNeL)

107

In other news, I'm beyond happy tomorrow is March.

Feb. is just the gloomiest, most depressing month of them all. Good riddance. Helloooooooo, March!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 28, 2011 11:16 AM (pLTLS)

108 I can't wait for 24 hours to pass to see how the GOP is vilified for this and actually comes out looking bad.

Posted by: kansas at February 28, 2011 11:16 AM (mka2b)

109 Per the drudge headline, UK's Cameron steps in to enforce a no fly zone.  Proves O to be a Puss.  I may have added that last part.

It does feel like the little sister stepping in to kick the bully's ass for her big brother.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes, me for prez not at February 28, 2011 11:18 AM (xdHzq)

110 #108

Temperature and humidity will have to be higher for real insurrection to start.

Posted by: sifty at February 28, 2011 11:19 AM (Q6tnr)

111 Nobody's little sister is as yellow as Obastard.

Posted by: George Orwell at February 28, 2011 11:19 AM (AZGON)

112 Obama's State Department probably seated people on the SS Minnow ferry by voting record and donation amounts.

Posted by: sifty at February 28, 2011 11:25 AM (Q6tnr)

113 That's right Walker...
Take on Shub Niggurath

You may want to pick up a copy of the Necronomicon.
And Learn how to draw this.

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Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 28, 2011 11:26 AM (0q2P7)

114 Elder sign fail...

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 28, 2011 11:27 AM (0q2P7)

115 Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 28, 2011 04:16 PM (pLTLS)

I'm still looking forward to May/June.  90+ degrees (heck, up into the 100's sometimes by mid June) here we come!

Texas Summer FTW!

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at February 28, 2011 11:27 AM (8y9MW)

116 Tax Day Rallies are gonna get real interesting this year. The SEIU and other union goons will be real cocky by then. All fired up from WI. Supported by Obama and Hollyweird.  Probably also with a sore ass from losing in WI  and other places (please please).

Posted by: sifty at February 28, 2011 11:31 AM (Q6tnr)

117 OOOhhhh! Dem pro-union pwotesters wuz drummy-drum-drumming? Hao teh ghey! Do thems go camping together in the woods a lot? (Elmer Fudd laugh)

Posted by: ktnxbai *cough* at February 28, 2011 11:33 AM (0yR06)

118 #5, Ben, I think you're right.  Sacrificing the jobs of 1000s of stupid foot soldiers is a tiny price to pay to keep coll. barg.  This is NOT about union members.  It is about union bosses, whose power would collapse without coll. barg.

Posted by: Sukie Tawdry at February 28, 2011 11:33 AM (MPtFW)

119 Hill.   Here & now.    Fight on it.

Heartbreak Ridge, baby.  Now or never

( the Army was there alongside the Marines )

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at February 28, 2011 11:36 AM (UqKQV)

120
The public is with Walker and the forces of reform; Walker is setting this up so that his hand is forced.

Wrong, Ace.

Sixty one percent of America supports public sector collective bargaining.

Much like the disastrous 1995 government shutdown, this will ultimately backfire upon the Republican Party. And the Democrats know it.

This is NOT the hill to die on.

Posted by: Eeyore Ed Anger at February 28, 2011 11:37 AM (7+pP9)

121 What kinda fags bring drums to a protest? These idiots wanna be hippies.

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 28, 2011 11:38 AM (SwsAI)

122 Posted by: Eeyore Ed Anger at February 28, 2011 04:37 PM (7+pP9)

lol?

Posted by: KG at February 28, 2011 11:38 AM (2k/Dg)

123 The dems want him to fire teachers. It is pretty obvious.

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 28, 2011 11:39 AM (SwsAI)

124

Angle-shooting is an aggressive, borderline-cheating style of poker play which basically consists of breaking rules in a deliberate but accidental-seeming manner but then relying on other players' sense of fair play to overlook the rules-breaking.

Umm..sorry...but this just doesn't happen in the real world. I've played poker on very high levels and fucking fingers would be broken..rather than relying on others' "sense of fair play".

Posted by: beedubya at February 28, 2011 11:39 AM (AnTyA)

Posted by: Dang at February 28, 2011 11:43 AM (TXKVh)

126 Feb. is just the gloomiest, most depressing month of them all. Good riddance. Helloooooooo, March!

Fucking March already, and I still don't have a job.  If I can't find something by April (and I won't--I've just gotten calls from a dozen different recruiters about the same 6-mo contract, client needs 20 engineers and they wouldn't even grant me a phone interview), I will have to kill myself.

And these stupid scrunts are having a tantrum over paying 6% of their health insurance premiums.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 28, 2011 11:43 AM (nAOMZ)

127 There will never be a hill to die on. Eat your soylent green. Go back to sleep.

Posted by: Republicans at February 28, 2011 11:43 AM (Q6tnr)

128

Umm..sorry...but this just doesn't happen in the real world. I've played poker on very high levels and fucking fingers would be broken..rather than relying on others' "sense of fair play".

Posted by: beedubya at February 28, 2011 04:39 PM (AnTyA)

 

Yeah.  That "fair play" shit don't roll in Vegas either.

Posted by: Soona at February 28, 2011 11:44 AM (efdtN)

129 My thumbs! They took my thumbs, Charlie!

Posted by: the hustla at February 28, 2011 11:49 AM (Q6tnr)

130

Posted by: Eeyore Ed Anger at February 28, 2011 04:37 PM (7+pP9)

Okay then, I'll bite.  Where is the hill to make the stand on?  Is there one?  Would you ever take a stand against them?  Do you really, really think go-along will win the day for sanity?

I seriously, seriously want to know where that place is for you, if it exists.

Posted by: AoSHQ's worst commenter, DarkLord at February 28, 2011 11:51 AM (GBXon)

131 The hill we end up dying on is going to be our own front porches.

Posted by: sifty at February 28, 2011 11:57 AM (Q6tnr)

132

Walker's playing a very smart game -- exactly for the reasons mentioned above.  People are running out of patience with the teachers -- had one on another forum whine about having to contribute 6000 to her benefits (oh no!), when the average private sector person is contributing upwards of 33% of their monthly take home.  Even the private union guys aren't getting quite the cushy deal.

And their screaming over a little haircut?  A trim?  When people are jobless, soon to be homeless, have been forced on welfare/medicare because they've lost their livelihoods? (on top of which: how much national attention has the performance of our public schools gotten?  hell, they look worse than the UAW as far as performance for pay)

Walker lays off some public sector employees, teachers don't get touched by this -- teachers keep whining and the Dems keep on supporting them....that's what it shows every possiblity of shaping up to look like (on top of their assholish behavior, which they are clearly too stupid to not go full dumbass on national tv with).  Advantage: Walker.

Posted by: unknown jane at February 28, 2011 11:57 AM (5/yRG)

133 Anybody who goes on one of Ace's Palin threads deserves what they get.

Posted by: nickless at February 28, 2011 04:09 PM (MMC8r)

Yeah. I avoid those like the plague. Ew. It's like Sunni v. Shiites, after they've succeeded in decapitating all the infidels proper.

Posted by: Derak at February 28, 2011 12:01 PM (CjpKH)

134 OT: Cantor: Defense of Marriage Act Action by Friday

This Politico story is actually mostly primary source quotes, so it's safe to assume it's true. Interesting read.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 28, 2011 12:01 PM (q8u+l)

135 The Justice Department has called another provision, that bars same-sex couples from receiving federal-worker benefits, unconstitutional.
Who the fuck does the Justice Department think it is? I think they forgot about a couple other branches of government.

Posted by: sifty at February 28, 2011 12:04 PM (Q6tnr)

136
Sixty one percent of America supports public sector collective bargaining.

Sorry, not buying it. Reuters/USA Today/Gallup BWAHAHAHAHA.

Flies in the face of the low percentage of people that are actually in unions.
The MFM is not an honest broker on  this issue especially since they are heavily unionized.

Only real poll 11/12.

Posted by: ontherocks at February 28, 2011 12:09 PM (HBqDo)

137 Much like the disastrous 1995 government shutdown, this will ultimately backfire upon the Republican Party. And the Democrats know it.

This is NOT the hill to die on.

Posted by: Eeyore Ed Anger

 

This is a USA Today/Gallup poll. No sampling data is readily available, nor the questions.

How accurate are these things on average?

Hill shopping may continue until further details are received.

Posted by: Blue Hen at February 28, 2011 12:09 PM (R2fpr)

138

How accurate are these things on average?

Hill shopping may continue until further details are received.

Posted by: Blue Hen © at February 28, 2011 05:09 PM (R2fpr)

I think that like the Obowbow polls there is a heavy Bradley effect at work here, except that instead of racism charges it's just plain intimidation at work.

I'll hold my hill and die in bed.

Posted by: ontherocks at February 28, 2011 12:17 PM (HBqDo)

139 NRO: Obama endorses healthcare opt-out?

If he did, I have to wonder what else is in the proposal. Or is he actually attempting triangulation?

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at February 28, 2011 12:18 PM (q8u+l)

140
The dems want him to fire teachers. It is pretty obvious.

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 28, 2011 04:39 PM (SwsAI)

Sounds like even Mr Pink realizes this is a lose/lose situation.

Posted by: Eeyore Ed Anger at February 28, 2011 12:23 PM (7+pP9)

141 This is NOT the hill to die on.

Posted by: Eeyore Ed Anger at February 28, 2011 04:37 PM (7+pP9)

Sorry, no more hills left, the ground is flat and the waves are lapping at our ankles.

This is how we got where we are, the Left never says that, every fucking molehill is the one to die on.

Posted by: Merovign, Bond Villain at February 28, 2011 12:25 PM (bxiXv)

142 The dems want him to fire teachers. It is pretty obvious.

Posted by: Mr Pink at February 28, 2011 04:39 PM (SwsAI)

Sounds like even Mr Pink realizes this is a lose/lose situation.

Posted by: Eeyore Ed Anger

 

Is it likely that the Dems will use the terminations as a weapon? Duh. They're using everything else; why WOULDN'T they use them? When the chairman of the Senate panel refused to let a dial-a-Dem from voting direct from the Twisted Kilt, the jerk threatened her with "how it would look in the headlines". The bastard refuses to do the job he campaigned for, isn't even in the state, and he tries to make everyone else a villian. We got it.

 

The question is when, if ever, do we stand against this coercion?

Posted by: Blue Hen at February 28, 2011 12:30 PM (R2fpr)

143 141 NRO: Obama endorses healthcare opt-out?

If he did, I have to wonder what else is in the proposal. Or is he actually attempting triangulation?
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby

From Drudge,  supposedly Obama is telling dems this will allow the states to enact even more regulations.  First,  I'm no too sure they would.  The man is is la la land.  Second,  I wouldn't mind seeing the states compete for who can fuck things up the fastest and who can reap more rewards by enacting conservative policies.  Entire blue states would look like Detroit.  I could sit in my red state and watch those assholes battle in out in Thunderdome on pay per view.  Sweet.

Posted by: Dang at February 28, 2011 12:31 PM (TXKVh)

144 Walker can start with the Capital police and FD  then move on to the "Educators." Use a damn chainsaw.

Posted by: Barbarian at February 28, 2011 12:31 PM (EL+OC)

145 I agree with 143... Old Walker need to have them run through a "Right to Work" bill for both Public and Private Unions. Have 2 or 3 Rep Senators act squishy on it and use it to lure the Fleebaggers back. Then pass both bills..

Posted by: Squishey Rino at February 28, 2011 12:34 PM (KUjSN)

146 143 This is NOT the hill to die on.
Posted by: Eeyore Ed Anger at February 28, 2011 04:37 PM (7+pP9)

No one's looking to die here.  We're looking to win.  Our enemy is down.  Start kicking.

Posted by: Dang at February 28, 2011 12:35 PM (TXKVh)

147

Went to the local cable office today and they were playing CNN.  One of the headlines that rolled by was "WI Gov Defiant as Protests Continue."

Who's being defiant now?  I would think that the Dems who slinked off to another state are the defiant sons of bitches trying to stop the will of the people.

defiant my ass.

Posted by: soulpile is... expendable at February 28, 2011 12:37 PM (gH+Hj)

148

Walker sends out a nice jab to Obama.

 

Gov. Walker: Statement in response to President Obama’s misunderstanding
2/28/2011

Madison– Today President Obama again weighed in against Governor Walker’s proposal to balance the state’s budget deficit by having state government workers contribute a modest amount toward their own pensions and pay 12.6 percent toward their healthcare premiums.

In response to the President’s comments, the Governor’s Press Secretary Cullen Werwie issued the following statement:

I'm sure the President knows that most federal employees do not have collective bargaining for wages and benefits while our plan allows it for base pay. And I'm sure the President knows that the average federal worker pays twice as much for health insurance as what we are asking for in Wisconsin. At least I would hope he knows these facts.

Furthermore, I’m sure the President knows that we have repeatedly praised the more than 300,000 government workers who come to work every day in Wisconsin.

I’m sure that President Obama simply misunderstands the issues in Wisconsin, and isn’t acting like the union bosses in saying one thing and doing another.

Posted by: WishRich at February 28, 2011 12:41 PM (hdpay)

149 #148

Thank you.  That's an absolutely perfect way of putting it.

Posted by: GMan at February 28, 2011 12:42 PM (fW0wg)

150 I'd rather have a hill to die on than an old folks home to die in.

Posted by: Holger at February 28, 2011 12:43 PM (YxGud)

151

146  See, that's just it: he doesn't say anything about firing teachers...that would make them martyrs anyway.  But he does say he will be forced to lay off public sector employees...so all those stupid bastards out there carrying water and banging drums in Solidarity! for the poor teachers just might wind up without jobs.

And what do you think the teachers will do?  If they manage to keep theirs?  Well, from what I've seen of teachers' Solidarity!.... (not all mind you, but quite a few of them; they'll pat themselves on the back for standing up to the Man and also for being such an important part of society as to be damn indispensible while the rest of the public employees -- that includes you too cops -- get pink slips; that's what I know of teacher Solidarity!).

 

If Walker plays it right, the teachers and the Dems will have to hire bodyguards to keep the peasants off of them before this is all through.

Posted by: unknown jane at February 28, 2011 01:28 PM (5/yRG)

152 60 9 What happened to voter id? Posted by: Flapjackmaka

Infringement on liberty. Violates US Constitution.

Posted by: Some Idiot Judge at February 28, 2011 03:48 PM (mka2b) 

That's an urban myth.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at February 28, 2011 01:46 PM (bjRNS)

153 Divide and conquer

"We public school teachers, none of whom have been laid off, stand in solidarity with you public union employees who are laid off, as do the Democrat State Senators still collecting a paycheck while they kick back and relax in a resort in Illinois, all because the Republicans wouldn't give us more of what you have never had."

Posted by: davidt at February 28, 2011 01:55 PM (9Pzy7)

154

155 Exactly.

And they will be congratulating themselves on top of it -- because that's what has happened in education in the past 15 years; the ranks are full of people who really do think they are untouchable and that sunlight beams from their sphincters (it's also the reason why a lot of educators got out of it too, besides the other stupidity -- the assholery simply got to be too much). 

Posted by: unknown jane at February 28, 2011 02:00 PM (5/yRG)

155

Walker is actually going about this the wrong way.  He wants the money back, which the teachers have offered.  He correctly points out though that without the collective bargaining rights, they will just win everything back in the next round and at local levels.  There are two ways to skin that cat.   One the confrontational way that requires a quorum.  There is another.

All of the cities, counties, etc. are solely creatures of the state.  They only have the power granted them by the state, which the state can take away as it pleases.  As an example see New York City during its fiscal crises.  He can pass a law, with just the majority, that strips every jurisidiction of its ability to not require matching contributions to pensions (they already have this the unions just win it away in bargaining) unless they fully fund, in today's dollars, the full amount of the pension.  Since every jurisdiction relies on faulty actuarial assumptions of 20% growth on t-bills, etc, to avoid the full cost of these things, no jurisdiction could ever afford to grant the union their wish list.

The other benefit of this approach is that it will be stable.  The next time the Dems win in Wisconsin, which is regrettably inevitable, they will regrant the rights.  If they try to regrant the municipalities the right to make these payments, they will be seen as exposing every jurisdiction to crippling financial claims, which will not be viable or that will be seen as an unreasonable capitulation to the unions.  People think collective bargaining is ok because they do not understand the full corrupt power of the unions in the feedback loop.  Plus, if you are a local school board member, the temptation to keep the doors open today is overwhelming. 

While he is at it, he could also require every contract to require that health care be provided by a firm not operated by the union, putting the union health fund out of business to boot.  Same stability.  Blatant conflict of interest.

Posted by: Andy T at February 28, 2011 02:01 PM (y5bPZ)

156 reports are the 1 GOP state senator is starting to waiver and is going to vote no on Walker's legislation - Plum Line blog is reporting.....

Posted by: kay at February 28, 2011 02:04 PM (TW1NB)

157 Problem is - that's not a threat the democrats care about. The dems love the unions for the money - not the people.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at February 28, 2011 02:34 PM (0fzsA)

158

@24: "In other words, we who are at the financial edge, wages stagnant, property values dropping, property taxes still on the rise -- about to die in the financial sense, salute you. Keep a stiff spine. There's one helluva lot more of us then them."

That may be, but note that the police sided with them.  Worth noting for the future. As the old union anthem said: "Which side are you on?"

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at February 28, 2011 02:36 PM (xy9wk)

159 At this stage, Walker CANNOT give even an inch.  His Governorship would be destroyed, the Dems would be emboldened to do this whenever they felt like it and it would kill the Republican Gov's in other states.  BTW, RINO Dale Schultz is a NO vote.

Posted by: Greg at February 28, 2011 03:07 PM (A0Q4i)

160

The anti-union crap was just a red herring....lay-offs are the only way to let the ship sink without it capsizing. Hopefully it will come to rest on the bottom without water coming over the gunwales.

I'm sympathetic to the union folks but not enough money (regardless of the cause) requires a move that works. No politician...including Walker...is deft enough to cut out spending that isn't actually necessary. They ALL have to use a fire-axe on the budget to bring spending down. They aren't competant enough to use a scalpel. Sorry, this includes Walker, he's just as stupid and clumsy as any DemocRAT would be. He's just another fucking politician.

Want proof...wait and see what dipwad Jerry Brown will do in Commiefornia...he'll be forced to devastate the school employment ranks and I'm one of them but it HAS to happen. We're broke everywhere.

Posted by: torabora at February 28, 2011 03:07 PM (3FE38)

161 With the overwhelmingly favorable poll from NYT/CBS out today, the Dems have no incentive to return to WI.

Posted by: Greg at February 28, 2011 04:26 PM (A0Q4i)

162 Remember what happned when those PATCO workers went on strike and REAGAN  FIRED THEM ALL

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at February 28, 2011 05:36 PM (vA9ld)

163 No one's looking to die here.  We're looking to win.  Our enemy is down.  Start kicking.

Posted by: Dang at February 28, 2011 05:35 PM (TXKVh)

Yep, they're weak, demoralized and broke after weeks of holding their collective breath and getting ignored by the adults.

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