February 28, 2017

Very Cool Piece on the Echo Chamber
— Ace

Two Obama political appointees recently resigned from the Trump White House as you'd imagine they would do as a routine matter, without controversy.

But there was controversy -- both people claimed to have resigned from Trump's White House for reasons having nothing at all to do with politics, but just having to do with Trump's policies.

Um, I know that makes no sense at all. There was no way to digest it in a way that makes any sense, because you can't make sense of gibberific double-talk such as "With no thought of politics whatsoever, I am resigning in political protest."

In both cases, the media partners in Obama's old Echo Chamber orchestra dutifully sold these stories to their declining readership with no skepticism.

Lee Smith exposes this.

It's about informational operations conducted by Obama sleepers and their agents of influence in the media. It's "crunchy" with cool bits of insidery information.

H/t to Instapundit.

Posted by: Ace at 06:46 AM | Comments (577)
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1 Up and at 'em!!

Posted by: Bruce at February 28, 2017 06:46 AM (8ikIW)

2 NOT FIRST!

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 06:47 AM (8XRCm)

3 because you can't make sense of transparent bullshit.

You can't not step in it either unless you're a cat.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at February 28, 2017 06:48 AM (8J/Te)

4 Take that Noon!

Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2017 06:48 AM (oXKWd)

5 It's all Bullshit.

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 28, 2017 06:48 AM (aaHY9)

6 VDH has a great piece on Trump and his cabinet appointments vs his naysayers up on NRO as welll.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 06:50 AM (39g3+)

7 Huh.  Just this morning, Juan Williams informed me there are no Obama "sleepers" in the Trump administration.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 06:50 AM (PY9jH)

8 g'morning ace.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 06:50 AM (wmaTe)

9 Isn't the speculation that Ben Rhodes facilitated these public resignations? The muslim gal worked for him in the NSC.

After all, he's bragged that this is his thing, getting compliant. dumb media to spread his preferred narrative far and wide.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at February 28, 2017 06:50 AM (NOIQH)

10 Good morning!

Posted by: Michael the Deplorable TEXIT at February 28, 2017 06:50 AM (nvMvs)

11 Lee Smith was light's out for the Cubs in the 80's

Posted by: Rick in SK at February 28, 2017 06:50 AM (FZYNt)

12 This hoax brought to you by ben Rhodes. Ben Rhodes : Sipper of Fine Penis.

Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2017 06:50 AM (oXKWd)

13 morning-ish ,ace. Yep the media remains uncurious where their information comes from as long as it comes inaccurately is ok.

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2017 06:50 AM (R7cwD)

14 https://tinyurl.com/jbgugyq ======================== Leonardo DiCaprio flew eyebrow artist 7,500 miles to do his brows for the Oscars

Posted by: EVLINC! at February 28, 2017 06:51 AM (y3aQB)

15 Willowed again. As I said prior, the Gulf Shores incident was likely an accident. Have seen no signs of the RoP during my excursions there. Lots of hot young foreign waitresses though.

Posted by: Country Boy - just a humble, occasionally hotheaded poster at February 28, 2017 06:51 AM (Jcg9Q)

16 -she came to the conclusion that she had failed in her attempt to influence the Trump team, which in fact "was attacking the basic tenets of democracy." ----- I am soooooo tired of theses cheesedicks saying stuff like this. Its one thing to use overblown hyperbole to illustrate the excesses of a point. Its another thing entirely to start buying into all the bull shit.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 06:51 AM (8XRCm)

17 The left is doing everything they can think of to delegitimize Trump's election, even if they have to make $hit up.  It's going to get worse. 

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at February 28, 2017 06:51 AM (le7jz)

18 Trump should have accepted the resignation of all political appointees on day on regardless of any value they might have provided. Too much risk. Clean out the stables!

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 28, 2017 06:51 AM (kTF2Z)

19 Sorry to go O/T, but this gem got willowed:

Man lights his farts on fire... in a meth lab, destroying it.



http://tinyurl.com/zgwb85y



You can guess the state.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 11:43 AM (39g3+)


You can't make this crap up. The man's wife was found lying naked in the front yard, still laughing. She plans on suing Chipotle, because they provided the "fuel" for the farts (or "blue angels" as she called them).


People too stupid to live.


Now back to the topic at hand.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 06:51 AM (PY9jH)

20 I read Rumana Ahmed's piece in the Atlantic last week. It was all waah waah, Islamophobia, waah waah, everybody hates my hijab, waah waah, poor me. There was so much concentrated butt-hurt, it made my teeth ache.

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 28, 2017 06:51 AM (WwTKJ)

21 In before Toby!

Posted by: The Scorpion at February 28, 2017 06:51 AM (QQ+il)

22 *shrugs*

I hope the Boojum snicks and snacks all these 'principled' resignations and the trools who report on them breathlessly.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 28, 2017 06:51 AM (4H105)

23 Also, this is so predictable and stupid and I'm not sure we should really care about it to be honest. I think (and I could be wrong) that 2016 has shown that a critical mass has finally realized how full of shit the media and other DC-centric institutions really are. I mean, NO ONE would have voted for Trump if they believed the media. It was a 24/7 hit piece against Trump for months and months. And yet, here we are. The only people who seem to believe the media are people who are not going to vote R anyways. And even there... I'm not sure how much they really believe the media either, they just like to hear their views reinforced.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 06:52 AM (wmaTe)

24 Lowest approval rating after a month EVAR! The media is so proud.But Trump beat them and their polls before.

Posted by: steevy at February 28, 2017 06:52 AM (r/0kC)

25 Probably watch the speech tonight to see the political theater.  Media will focus on the gallery and the Dems.  Should be interesting to see how many are removed from the gallery.  The MSM will have a field day, but I think the house cameras are kind of limited in what they show?

Posted by: Colin at February 28, 2017 06:53 AM (ec2s9)

26 You can't fire me! I quit!!

Posted by: tu3031 at February 28, 2017 06:53 AM (qJhUV)

27 I wonder who the person was who sent out the pic of Kellyanne Conway on the couch?

No friend of hers or the administration's.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 06:53 AM (PY9jH)

28 "In the front office, [Rhodes'] assistant, Rumana Ahmed, and his deputy, Ned Price, are squeezed behind desks, which face a large television screen, from which CNN blares nonstop."


She was his freakin' assistant. Well!!

Reading her column in The Atlantic you'd think she was an integral part of the team.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at February 28, 2017 06:53 AM (NOIQH)

29 Note that we're talking about "sleeper agents," as if a former president of the United States were treating his successor like a foreign power. This is the left: essentially a hostile nation within our nation.

Posted by: joncelli, Gobsmacked Rage Monkey and Crossbowman at February 28, 2017 06:53 AM (RD7QR)

30 Oh crap

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at February 28, 2017 06:53 AM (NOIQH)

31 she came to the conclusion that she had failed in her attempt to influence the Trump team, which in fact "was attacking the basic tenets of democracy. Yet who's really attacking the basic tenets of democracy? The left, by trying to legitimize not just Trump's policies, not just the president, but the very concept of democracy, voting, and the federal government as it is now structured.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 06:54 AM (39g3+)

32 Acting AG Sally Yates forcing Trump to fire her over the Travel EO was also probably orchestrated. My working theory was that the Trumpsters delayed the new Travel EO until tomorrow, March 1, because they'd get a new set of Seattle and Ninth Circuit judges to handle any emergency actions like a TRO. Sure enough, the Ninth Circuit panel of three won't let the case go and have issued an order forcing continued briefing on the old order.

Posted by: Ignoramus --The Handsome One at February 28, 2017 06:54 AM (SIY7D)

33 So. Ben Rhodes wants to play double counter intelligence agent. Wouldnt break my heart at all if he just up and disappeared into the web of espionage, never to be seen again. Id personally carve his star at Langley.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 06:54 AM (8XRCm)

34 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 11:43 AM (39g3+) no way is that a real story.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 06:54 AM (wmaTe)

35 It appears she was staying around to help explain the Muslim way of thinking.
I guess it only took her 4 days to tell them "We Keeeel You!!"

Posted by: Bruce at February 28, 2017 06:54 AM (8ikIW)

36 from which CNN blares nonstop.


Well, there's part of the problem.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 06:54 AM (PY9jH)

37 The Democrat party is determined to go all Muslim all transgender. This seems like a good way to get in touch with Middle America.

Posted by: blaster at February 28, 2017 06:54 AM (8yq6P)

38 This is a variation on the whole "quit before I was fired' bleat:

Fig-leaf: "I'm not going to the prom because I think the whole idea of prom is stupid."
True story: Didn't get asked to to the dance.

Posted by: General Zod at February 28, 2017 06:54 AM (Bdeb0)

39 media," look at that cat walking by the WH sidewalk . it's rather thin innit?" news agitator "WH throws starving cat to the dark angry undemocratic world, there are surely dead kittens laying behind the wreckage of her life"

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2017 06:55 AM (R7cwD)

40 Lowest approval rating after a month EVAR! The media is so proud.But Trump beat them and their polls before. Posted by: steevy at February 28, 2017 11:52 AM (r/0kC) ------ pssssst..... same polls that had Hillary up by 10.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 06:55 AM (8XRCm)

41 Yet who's really attacking the basic tenets of democracy? The left, by trying to legitimize not just Trump's policies, not just the president, but the very concept of democracy, voting, and the federal government as it is now structured. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 11:54 AM (39g3+) I'm bemused at how many of my leftist friends have been saying some variation of "democracy is really dangerous" lately.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 06:55 AM (wmaTe)

42 Good one , ace. I'd never heard of 'eliminationism' before.

Posted by: Mortimer, FINISH HER! at February 28, 2017 06:55 AM (8GRZ3)

43 I thought the left was alll about democracitizing government or whatever it is they're always yammering on about. Now they want to put the brakes on?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 06:56 AM (wmaTe)

44 As someone (here, I believe) said the other day, all the Dems have going for them are race and gender issues.

Things everyone struggling in flyover country cares about.  /s

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 06:56 AM (PY9jH)

45 Leonardo DiCaprio flew eyebrow artist 7,500 miles to do his brows for the Oscars

Posted by: EVLINC! at February 28, 2017 11:51 AM (y3aQB)


Hell, the local mall and neighborhood is full of "brow" shops...Business must be good, as the mall rentals aren't cheap....I guess Leonardo must not shop around.

Posted by: Colin at February 28, 2017 06:56 AM (ec2s9)

46 Only thing wrong with this story is that both these scrunts aren't currently being waterboarded in a secret dungeon. MoBro agents, for sure.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 28, 2017 06:56 AM (WDdjT)

47 And the article dribbles off into insanity too.
What banned press?, what payback?
Some non-traditional press added to a pool one time vs. more of the regular hacks.
Nobody is hostile to a free press.  Normal people hate the propaganda machine shitting in their ear 24x7.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at February 28, 2017 06:56 AM (8J/Te)

48 no way is that a real story. I would think not except I'm seeing it all over the place on a wide variety of websites, and its from Florida, which makes it plausible.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 06:56 AM (39g3+)

49 Information Operations...a phrase I had been trying to remember for a few days now. Exactly what this is.

Posted by: Diogenes at February 28, 2017 06:57 AM (0tfLf)

50 Lowest approval evar? looks like an early night.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 28, 2017 06:57 AM (/9kBT)

51 >>-she came to the conclusion that she had failed in her attempt to influence the Trump team, which in fact "was attacking the basic tenets of democracy."



Wow, she gave it a whole ***8 days***. She had no intention of influencing Trump. And also, who the f is she to exude influence - she was Ben Rhodes' assistant and she has no National Security expertise. Flynn and his team were supposed to listen to her????


Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at February 28, 2017 06:57 AM (NOIQH)

52 >>>Isn't the speculation that Ben Rhodes facilitated these public resignations? The muslim gal worked for him in the NSC. i don't mean this to be snarky-- read the article. It's worth it. I didn't quote it because there was too much to quote and besides it's really worth the full read.

Posted by: ace at February 28, 2017 06:57 AM (8rNrN)

53 Florida Man Makes Impossible, Possible

Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2017 06:57 AM (oXKWd)

54 Interesting how one of the "civil servants" was an Obama administration appointee, and not a career civil servant, until 8 days before Trump took office.

Posted by: Michael the Deplorable TEXIT at February 28, 2017 06:58 AM (nvMvs)

55 Gee, I wonder where all those leaks were coming from.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 06:58 AM (/tuJf)

56 People too stupid to live. Now back to the topic at hand. Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 11:51 AM (PY9jH) Fiction, Jane. Comes from a satirical site.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 28, 2017 06:58 AM (WDdjT)

57 Why was an English Major on the NCS?

Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2017 06:58 AM (oXKWd)

58 I remember waaaay back when the Obama administration was using the NSA to go after certain members of the media who didn't fall in line.  Does James Rosen ring a bell?

Also, the press whores claimed the administration was the most closed off to the press of any in memory.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 06:58 AM (PY9jH)

59 Shame someone didn't casually ask Ms. Ahmad to bring proof of citizenship to her exit interview.

Posted by: General Zod at February 28, 2017 06:58 AM (Bdeb0)

60 What I would give for Trump, Sessions, et. al. to end up arresting and imprisoning Soros, Obama, et. al. on RICO convictions ...

Posted by: ShainS at February 28, 2017 06:58 AM (mt8X9)

61 Damn, the Ewok's up before the crack of noon! Who is this imposter, and what did you do to Ace?!?!

Posted by: Grimaldi at February 28, 2017 06:59 AM (V/f/L)

62 Mmmm. I like crunchy.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 28, 2017 06:59 AM (0mRoj)

63 "This has nothing to do with politics, it has everything to do with your politics." Yeah, that makes perfect sense when even those paying minimal attention to Washington DC realize that which bathroom you use is dependent on politics.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Purchase the 18th Edition of 'Ace Commands: The Style Guide for the Horde' at the Outra at February 28, 2017 06:59 AM (hLRSq)

64 >>i don't mean this to be snarky-- read the article. It's worth it. Also, allowable as it isn't the Thread.

Posted by: AoSHQ Style Guide at February 28, 2017 06:59 AM (oXKWd)

65 60 What I would give for Trump, Sessions, et. al. to end up arresting and imprisoning Soros, Obama, et. al. on RICO convictions ... Posted by: ShainS at February 28, 2017 11:58 AM (mt8X9) Just deporting Soros to Hungary (or Indonesia, or the UK) would make me happy.

Posted by: joncelli, Gobsmacked Rage Monkey and Crossbowman at February 28, 2017 06:59 AM (RD7QR)

66 >>i don't mean this to be snarky-- read the article. It's worth it.

Yeahhhhh, about that....I have since read it. *hangs head in shame*

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at February 28, 2017 06:59 AM (NOIQH)

67 imprisoning Soros ----- Theres another pillar of villainy that I though would have been eliminated by somebodys "elite couterterrorism' unit long before now.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 07:00 AM (8XRCm)

68 18 Trump should have accepted the resignation of all political appointees on day on regardless of any value they might have provided. Too much risk. Clean out the stables! Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 28, 2017 11:51 AM (kTF2Z) He should have announced he was accepting their resignations whether or not they offered them.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at February 28, 2017 07:00 AM (X52ZZ)

69 "For many, this will confirm Trump's hostility to a free press. It is difficult to make that case, however, when the press continues to lease itself out to the Democratic operatives managing the echo chamber, even out of power."



Lease itself out implies 'prostitution'......they're just sluts.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:01 AM (Enq6K)

70 Former CIA analyst Price explained to the Times magazine how he manipulated American public opinion from his desk in the White House. The Obama NSC relied on compadres in the media to proliferate its message, Price said.I will reach out to a couple people, and you know I wouldn't want to name them ....

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2017 07:01 AM (R7cwD)

71 The Left, as they do with all things they touch, weaponized the 'media'. AOSHQ needs to go BIG.

Posted by: 'Cold Civil War'. That seems apt. at February 28, 2017 07:01 AM (oBuXO)

72 They literally worked in the same room together. Presume the screeching when I commence this next bit. That whole "burrowing" bullshit needs to end. Now. I'm all in favor of a five year ban on the hire of any political appointee to a non-political civil service position. The ostensible reason for the civil service is to remove politics from what are supposed to be administrative, not policy, positions. That was always a laugh but it's even more so now. Oh see all of the former political appointees are gone now! Yeah, all except the ones who just changed the ticky box from political to non-political. Fire the lot of them. From top to bottom. From the executive secretary who is the only one who knows how to run the copier to the janitor who is the only one who knows where the key is to the closet with the toilet paper in it. Fire them all.

Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 28, 2017 07:01 AM (mf5HN)

73 I wonder what ValJar, Brennan, et al are up to? 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 07:01 AM (PY9jH)

74 Trump should have fired ALL of the Obamanite staff on day 1.

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at February 28, 2017 07:01 AM (mpXpK)

75 Wow, she gave it a whole ***8 days***. She had no intention of influencing Trump. ==== It was a planned, rehearsed and timed public 'flounce'.

Posted by: Mortimer, FINISH HER! at February 28, 2017 07:01 AM (8GRZ3)

76 I agree, he should have just cleaned house on day 1: everybody out that he can fire, all of them at once. Nobody stays. Not a single one. He can rehire if there are a few worth keeping. If the leaks and pushback keep up, my guess is he will start to clean house. My hope, at least.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 07:02 AM (39g3+)

77 Lease itself out implies 'prostitution'......they're just sluts.

Posted by: Tami at February 28, 2017 12:01 PM (Enq6K)



That's too kind.  They're gutter whores.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 07:02 AM (PY9jH)

78 "50 Lowest approval evar? looks like an early night." Bill Wynn is the gift that keeps on giving.

Posted by: Benji Carver at February 28, 2017 07:02 AM (OD2ni)

79 Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at February 28, 2017 12:01 PM (mpXpK) ----- Hey Vic. How you doing??

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 07:02 AM (8XRCm)

80 >>>she came to the conclusion that she had failed in her attempt to influence the Trump team, which in fact "was attacking the basic tenets of democracy."

Yeah, it was her job to give the boss commands.

Posted by: davidt at February 28, 2017 07:02 AM (XoldI)

81 I agree, he should have just cleaned house on day 1: everybody out that he can fire, all of them at once. Nobody stays. Not a single one. He can rehire if there are a few worth keeping. If the leaks and pushback keep up, my guess is he will start to clean house. My hope, at least. Hope so. Otherwise the leaks will continue.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:02 AM (QFqpA)

82 14 https://tinyurl.com/jbgugyq ======================== Leonardo DiCaprio flew eyebrow artist 7,500 miles to do his brows for the Oscars Posted by: EVLINC! at February 28, 2017 11:51 AM (y3aQB) "The move is particularly surprising given the fact that DiCaprio is an active environment campaigner" Yeah, about that.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at February 28, 2017 07:02 AM (2x9LM)

83 NEWS FLASH: Women on their knees in the Oval Office is now considered a BAD THING.

Posted by: Roy at February 28, 2017 07:03 AM (VndSC)

84 O/T, but I have things to do: OM, here's a quote you might use for the book thread: Copy your ancestors, their words endure in books. Open them! Read them! Copy their knowledge. He who is taught will become skilled. - Pharaoh Khety II of Egypt

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 28, 2017 07:03 AM (X6fMO)

85 Heard it before but it bears repeating that attempts at delegitimizing Trumps election are also attempts at de-legitimizing his voters. Still haven't figured out which part of the DNC brain trust thinks becoming increasingly nasty and mean-spirited while lurching further leftward is a winning electoral strategy. Then again I did use the term "DNC braintrust" so i may have answered my own question.

Posted by: random [s]lurker[/s] commenter at February 28, 2017 07:03 AM (+tRIN)

86 Its not news....its CNN!

Posted by: Even CNN admits it at February 28, 2017 07:03 AM (X7E8f)

87 83 NEWS FLASH: Women on their knees in the Oval Office is now considered a BAD THING. Posted by: Roy any word on cigars?

Posted by: Rick in SK at February 28, 2017 07:04 AM (FZYNt)

88 Double standards, as always. Kinda like today's excoriation of Kelly Anne Conway for wearing her heels on the Oval Office couch, but nary a word about the years of former Prez Obama putting his shoed feet on every vertical surface there was.

Posted by: squeakywheel at February 28, 2017 07:04 AM (f31Us)

89 These resignations were planned ahead, and are part of the anti-Trump strategy. None of this crap is random. Just like the mass release of convicts. The FSA ain't just gonna grow on it's own, the troops have to come from somewhere. And the media backs the left like they used to back America in WW II.

Posted by: Eromero at February 28, 2017 07:04 AM (zLDYs)

90 By the way, Brianna Wu, remember him? The fake asian tranny? He said that rich people who go to the moon will "drop rocks" from there causing nuclear explosions on earth.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 07:04 AM (39g3+)

91 "The move is particularly surprising given the fact that DiCaprio is an active environment campaigner" Yeah, about that. "Pay attention to what I bitch about, not what I do!"

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:04 AM (QFqpA)

92 88 Double standards, as always. Kinda like today's excoriation of Kelly Anne Conway for wearing her heels on the Oval Office couch, but nary a word about the years of former Prez Obama putting his shoed feet on every vertical surface there was. Posted by: squeakywheel at February 28, 2017 12:04 PM (f31Us) If it wasn't for double standards, the Left wouldn't have standards at all.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at February 28, 2017 07:04 AM (X52ZZ)

93 If Trump doesn't "test" the civil service laws in this country, he will have failed. This is a bigger issue than conservatives think There also just needs to be reforms about what sort of regulations agencies like the EPA can make into law. Some unelected bureaucrat shouldn't be able to make a trillion dollar regulation

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 07:04 AM (clmv9)

94 42 Good one , ace. I'd never heard of 'eliminationism' before. Posted by: Mortimer, FINISH HER! at February 28, 2017 11:55 AM (8GRZ3) Sigh. Back to the drawing board, boys.

Posted by: Metamucil ad team at February 28, 2017 07:04 AM (7HtZB)

95 to the janitor who is the only one who knows where the key is to the closet with the toilet paper in it.

Wait a minute, be sure and get his x-ray specs for the transparent bullshit first.  The EPA can just be closes because it's all crap there.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at February 28, 2017 07:04 AM (8J/Te)

96 I wonder what ValJar, Brennan, et al are up to?
___
Some important projects Mr Bond, err, random internet poster

Posted by: George Soros at February 28, 2017 07:04 AM (X7E8f)

97 Wow, she gave it a whole ***8 days***. She had no intention of influencing Trump. And also, who the f is she to exude influence - she was Ben Rhodes' assistant and she has no National Security expertise. Flynn and his team were supposed to listen to her????
Posted by: Lizzy at February 28, 2017 11:57 AM (NOIQH)


Right. This was Ahmed's *first* job right out of college. Being an assistant to an advisor of the most powerful man in the world. How do you land a gig like that?

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 28, 2017 07:04 AM (WwTKJ)

98 >>Trump should have fired ALL of the Obamanite staff on day 1. Read the article. She started as a political appointee and then at the end of Obama's term she applied for, and was granted, a civil service rating. Seems there are a number of Obama appointees who took this same unusual career path. It's one thing to fire a political appointee, something entirely different to try and get rid of a civil service employee.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 07:05 AM (/tuJf)

99 59 Shame someone didn't casually ask Ms. Ahmad to bring proof of citizenship to her exit interview.
Posted by: General Zod at February 28, 2017 11:58 AM (Bdeb0)



Or inquire after her immigration status.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:05 AM (SRKgf)

100 Heh.  Trump just came right out on Fox and Friends this morning (I didn't watch, just heard about it) and said he believes TFG is behind most of the monkey business.  He wasn't upset, said it was "just politics."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 07:05 AM (PY9jH)

101 If the leaks and pushback keep up, my guess is he will start to clean house. My hope, at least.>>>

My hope now is that his team is compiling evidence of illegal acts done by the leakers. Then one day soon a bus or two will pull up and a mass frogmarch will happen. On PPV

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 28, 2017 07:05 AM (XtAzU)

102
He said that rich people who go to the moon will "drop rocks" from there causing nuclear explosions on earth.
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Well, the moon is a harsh mistress after all...

Posted by: Robert Heinlein at February 28, 2017 07:06 AM (X7E8f)

103 Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 28, 2017 12:01 PM (mf5HN) The first progressive era ushered in this idea of a professional bureaucracy to replace the old patronage system under the (some would argue bullshit) theory that this would remove politics, instability, and rent seeking from the "civil service." I say bring back the old system. This system is clearly worse (and I would argue designed as such. Just a way to get "THEIR" people in and make it harder for the next guy to fire everyone and start over with "HIS" people.)

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 07:06 AM (wmaTe)

104 Wait a minute, be sure and get his x-ray specs for the transparent bullshit first. The EPA can just be closes because it's all crap there.

Posted by: DaveA at February 28, 2017 12:04 PM (8J/Te)


Leave the hallways out of this.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:06 AM (SRKgf)

105 That whole "burrowing" bullshit needs to end. ==== OPM has to approve and advertise the position according to Byzantine personnel regs. Would be interesting to see if those rules were followed. For example was the other person in the office who has been denied a GS 15 promotion 3 times able to compete for this woman's "gimme job"?

Posted by: Mortimer, FINISH HER! at February 28, 2017 07:06 AM (8GRZ3)

106 By the way, Brianna Wu, remember him? The fake asian tranny?
He said that rich people who go to the moon will "drop rocks" from there causing nuclear explosions on earth.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 12:04 PM (39g3+)


Watching him being drowned in derision and contempt on twitter is gratifying.

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 28, 2017 07:06 AM (WwTKJ)

107 Oregon, perhaps MB gave its blessing . or a child of someone someone

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2017 07:06 AM (R7cwD)

108 79  Hey Vic. How you doing??

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 12:02 PM (8XRCm)


Getting by.

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at February 28, 2017 07:06 AM (mpXpK)

109 Right. This was Ahmed's *first* job right out of college. Being an assistant to an advisor of the most powerful man in the world. How do you land a gig like that?

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 28, 2017 12:04 PM (WwTKJ)



The whole WH was full of those juice boxers straight from the halls of "academia." 



Remember the beer pong pics? 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 07:07 AM (PY9jH)

110 100 Heh. Trump just came right out on Fox and Friends this morning (I didn't watch, just heard about it) and said he believes TFG is behind most of the monkey business. He wasn't upset, said it was "just politics." Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 12:05 PM (PY9jH) Hrm. Interesting attitude. I wonder if he's just brushing it off -- the wrong thing to do -- or is implying there's a political solution like, say, making it MUCH easier to fire civil service types.

Posted by: joncelli, Gobsmacked Rage Monkey and Crossbowman at February 28, 2017 07:07 AM (RD7QR)

111 90 By the way, Brianna Wu, remember him? The fake asian tranny? He said that rich people who go to the moon will "drop rocks" from there causing nuclear explosions on earth. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 12:04 PM (39g3+) I'm not saying it was fake Asian trannies, but it was fake Asian trannies.

Posted by: Giorgio A. Tsoukalos at February 28, 2017 07:07 AM (7HtZB)

112 90 By the way, Brianna Wu, remember him? The fake asian tranny? He said that rich people who go to the moon will "drop rocks" from there causing nuclear explosions on earth. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 12:04 PM (39g3+) Apparently he/she/it doesn't know the moon has roughly 1/6 Earth gravity. TL;DR, anything you could lift would be so small it'd burn up in the atmosphere, even if you could launch it at escape velocity. The wannabe masters of the universe aren't nearly as smart as they think they are.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at February 28, 2017 07:07 AM (X52ZZ)

113 Ruh Roh.... GW Bush now decrying the Racism of the Trump administration... Apparently in an interview he gave to People Magazine... This is going to get very ugly... Trump will soon say something back...

Posted by: Don Quixote, USN Ret. at February 28, 2017 07:07 AM (NgKpN)

114 >>Right. This was Ahmed's *first* job right out of college. Being an assistant to an advisor of the most powerful man in the world. How do you land a gig like that?


Pretty sure it had something to do with her being a muslim immigrant, who wears a hijab, and also, she's a hijab wearing muslim. Or so she tells readers repeatedly throughout her column.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at February 28, 2017 07:07 AM (NOIQH)

115 Being an actor, used to bring shame upon your family. Given what we see and hear from actors today, we now know why this was the case.

Posted by: Strobe at February 28, 2017 07:07 AM (gbWkA)

116 http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/paul-wolfowitzs-iran-connection/ Fascinating story on the guy who was funneling money to those three Pakistani Dem IT contractors fired a couple weeks back. Borrowed from one of Powerline's news headlines.

Posted by: JEM at February 28, 2017 07:07 AM (TppKb)

117 Now that we're past 100... Did anyone make it thru the ABC transgaybipedolesgender thingy last pm? Stayed with it for about 90 seconds, was totally bizzare.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at February 28, 2017 07:07 AM (MINbv)

118 The leaks are a very serious issue. I don't think the leakers realize just how much damage they're doing, not to Trump (which is of course their goal) but to the way the presidency functions. Trump's only recourse is going to be firing everyone who isn't a loyalist. Is that the game they really want to play going forward? I guess so.

Posted by: Lauren at February 28, 2017 07:08 AM (swH31)

119 Is it safe?

Posted by: Louise Munch at February 28, 2017 07:08 AM (vtcmf)

120 If Trump doesn't "test" the civil service laws in this country, he will have failed. Yeah, this times one thousand as the kids say. This is the most critical job he has, bar none. Nothing matters as much as cleaning house. If he cannot do this, nothing else he does will amount to much and will be easily reversed. First job of taking over a business: get the business restructured and rebuilt so it can do its job properly.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 07:08 AM (39g3+)

121 A van a a local Mardi Gras parade drove through one one the bands. 11 kids hurt. parade cancelled.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at February 28, 2017 07:08 AM (xInes)

122 Good to hear from you, Vic. Still praying for your full recovery.

Posted by: iwuzhere at February 28, 2017 07:08 AM (GRNzr)

123 hey Vic......

Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at February 28, 2017 07:08 AM (0O7c5)

124 It's one thing to fire a political appointee, something entirely different to try and get rid of a civil service employee. Posted by: JackStraw They're all political appointees We really should just go back to the spoils system where a new Adminstration can fire anyone. Otherwise the federal government is going to be be run by left wing parasites forever.

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 07:08 AM (clmv9)

125 The first progressive era ushered in this idea of a professional bureaucracy to replace the old patronage system under the (some would argue bullshit) theory that this would remove politics, instability, and rent seeking from the "civil service." I say bring back the old system. This system is clearly worse (and I would argue designed as such. Just a way to get "THEIR" people in and make it harder for the next guy to fire everyone and start over with "HIS" people.) Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 12:06 PM (wmaTe) Agreed. And as with other things that made the problem they were trying to solve even worse (hello, Obamacare), the best short-term solution is to revert to the old system while trying to come up with something better.

Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at February 28, 2017 07:09 AM (X52ZZ)

126 It would be a shame if Trump transferred them all to a remote Antarctic weather station.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 07:09 AM (ksj3z)

127 Gulf Shores, AL

Posted by: CSMBigBird at February 28, 2017 07:09 AM (xInes)

128 I had a "dream" last night that President Trump's address tonight was the scene from The Godfather Part III...

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 28, 2017 07:09 AM (aaHY9)

129 Ruh Roh.... GW Bush now decrying the Racism of the Trump administration...

Apparently in an interview he gave to People Magazine...



*types* *deletes*


I guess he kept his damned mouth shut throughout the abomination of the Obama administration because he didn't want to appear "raysssissss."

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 07:09 AM (PY9jH)

130 123 hey Vic......

Posted by: phoenixgirl..spring training at February 28, 2017 12:08 PM (0O7c5)


Hey

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at February 28, 2017 07:10 AM (mpXpK)

131 she came to the conclusion that she had failed in her attempt to
influence the Trump team, which in fact "was attacking the basic tenets
of democracy."

Yeah, it was her job to give the boss commands.
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Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at February 28, 2017 07:10 AM (J5mC3)

132 >>Pretty sure it had something to do with her being a muslim immigrant, who wears a hijab, and also, she's a hijab wearing muslim. Or so she tells readers repeatedly throughout her column. David Horowitz has an interesting piece on her background. While she was in college she was an officer of the Muslim Student Association which is a Muslim Brotherhood affiliated organization. She wasn't just a random Muslim woman picked for her identity cred.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 07:10 AM (/tuJf)

133 Just deporting Soros to Hungary (or Indonesia, or the UK) would make me happy.

Posted by: joncelli, Gobsmacked Rage Monkey and Crossbowman at February 28, 2017 11:59 AM (RD7QR)


Or Thailand, where he crushed the Thai baht by manipulating the currency, and clobbered the finances of a Third World nation to enrich himself.

Nice guy.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:10 AM (SRKgf)

134 Another "dream" I had was President Trump's address tonight was the scene in The Untouchables (the baseball bat scene)...

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 28, 2017 07:10 AM (aaHY9)

135 I don't think patronage was such a hot system but 100% without any remotest possibility of question the public employees unions need to be broken. MUST BE.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 07:10 AM (39g3+)

136 128 I had a "dream" last night that President Trump's address tonight was the scene from The Godfather Part III... Posted by: Soothsayer 45 better yet would be the christening scene from the 1st movie

Posted by: Rick in SK at February 28, 2017 07:10 AM (FZYNt)

137 129 Ruh Roh.... GW Bush now decrying the Racism of the Trump administration... Apparently in an interview he gave to People Magazine... *types* *deletes* I guess he kept his damned mouth shut throughout the abomination of the Obama administration because he didn't want to appear "raysssissss." Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 12:09 PM (PY9jH) It's revenge for defeating Jeb. I lose respect for W each day. To think I once defended him.

Posted by: joncelli, Gobsmacked Rage Monkey and Crossbowman at February 28, 2017 07:10 AM (RD7QR)

138 This is a bigger issue than conservatives think There also just needs to be reforms about what sort of regulations agencies like the EPA can make into law. Some unelected bureaucrat shouldn't be able to make a trillion dollar regulation Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 12:04 PM (clmv9) I think Trump should challenge the Constitutionality of Congress and the Judiciary delegating their authority to the executive branch. ie: The EPA (for example) writes laws (legislative role), enforces laws (executive role) and adjudicates laws (judicial role). the Supreme Court has not ruled on any delegation cases in, like, 100 years. So it's not by any means an easy battle. BUT between Gorsuch and (hopefully) one of the more liberal judges retiring / dying... this would be a great time to challenge the case. And I'm not sure they could dismiss for lack of standing since the head of the executive branch would presumably have standing on this. I don't know though. But that would be the quickest and easiest way to eliminate the administrative state.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 07:10 AM (wmaTe)

139 Ruh Roh.... GW Bush now decrying the Racism of the Trump administration... ---- You know.... I missed the whole bash W thread yesterday....but.... For EIGHT YEARS you said dick about the Emperor with No Clothes pissing on you, your policies and your people every other presser.... ....but now you find the courage to criticize a sitting President of your own party??? GOPe indeed.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 07:10 AM (8XRCm)

140 Hey Vic, good to see you on here.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at February 28, 2017 07:11 AM (xInes)

141 Oh God, my sister lives in GS! Checking on her now.

Posted by: Lauren at February 28, 2017 07:11 AM (swH31)

142 Vic, keeping you and your wife in my prayers.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 07:11 AM (PY9jH)

143 ESPN doing their best to force the politization of MLB and the players. SMH.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 07:11 AM (ksj3z)

144 >>> Copy your ancestors, their words endure in books. Open them! Read them! Copy their knowledge. He who is taught will become skilled. - Pharaoh Khety II of Egypt ... neat quote. There was a cool anecdote that began (IIRC) the Carl Sagan Cosmos. It was about the Library of Alexandria, and how the library got so many books. Alexandria was a big port. Apprently it was the law that any visiting ships and travelers had to surrender all of their books to be copied by the scribes of the library. They'd be given back after a time, but not before their contents were added to the library. Yes, I know this raises civil liberties issues. Just saying, they seemed to take this idea of copying and reading all accumulated records seriously.

Posted by: ace at February 28, 2017 07:11 AM (8rNrN)

145 These two American patriots were forced from their positions by the Kremlin! Why are there no pictures of Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin together? The kids from Scooby-Doo would have already ripped the mask off Donald Trump by now. What is taking Congress so long to impeach Trump/Putin?

Posted by: Egg McMuffin at February 28, 2017 07:11 AM (3OAG2)

146 The first progressive era ushered in this idea of a professional bureaucracy to replace the old patronage system under the (some would argue bullshit) theory that this would remove politics, instability, and rent seeking from the "civil service." I say bring back the old system. This system is clearly worse (and I would argue designed as such. Just a way to get "THEIR" people in and make it harder for the next guy to fire everyone and start over with "HIS" people.) Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 12:06 PM (wmaTe) Yup. At least the patronage system was honest graft. Hell, I am only like 5% joking when I say the only reason to run to be elected to the sewer commission is to get your idiot brother in law a job. The American public will accept, hell, will expect, a certain level of beak wetting. You run for city board, of course your cousin the idiot gets a job in the sanitation department "managing" a department that's really run by the guys who have been there forever. So long as the garbage is picked up, no one cares about this. What we have now is the garbage being dumped on people's lawns by those who claim they are above such graft and get the hell outta my face with that.

Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 28, 2017 07:12 AM (mf5HN)

147 Egg McMuffin get to work! those dicks aren't going to suck themselves

Posted by: Rick in SK at February 28, 2017 07:12 AM (FZYNt)

148 So the count of all disgruntled government workers quitting their jobs in protest because of their disgust for Trump is...2?

Posted by: tu3031 at February 28, 2017 07:13 AM (qJhUV)

149 Agreed. And as with other things that made the problem they were trying to solve even worse (hello, Obamacare), the best short-term solution is to revert to the old system while trying to come up with something better. Posted by: Cato the Rebel Without a Party at February 28, 2017 12:09 PM (X52ZZ) It's not the best solution, but it's the only one that would create enough churn to ensure that the administrative state starts to wither.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 07:13 AM (wmaTe)

150 >>They're all political appointees Nope. That's the point. Some of them started as political appointees but then transitioned to lower status and lower pay civil service jobs. It's called burrowing and there were reports dating back to November when Trump won that this was part of the Obama pushback plan.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 07:13 AM (/tuJf)

151 Alexandria was a big port. Apprently it was the law that any visiting ships and travelers had to surrender all of their books to be copied by the scribes of the library. They'd be given back after a time, but not before their contents were added to the library. ===== Their descendants will be hearing from our lawyers.

Posted by: Disney at February 28, 2017 07:14 AM (8GRZ3)

152 142 Vic, keeping you and your wife in my prayers.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 12:11 PM (PY9jH)


Thanks.  I did have a visit from all my folks from GA while I was in MUSC.

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at February 28, 2017 07:14 AM (mpXpK)

153 "The left is doing everything they can think of to delegitimize Trump's election, even if they have to make $hit up. It's going to get worse." Posted by: The Great White Scotsman I think they actually believe it. To Progressives, their ideology is objective Truth. Anything contrary is thus untrue and evil.

Posted by: syberpunk at February 28, 2017 07:14 AM (53DnI)

154 apprently it was the law that any visiting ships and travelers had to surrender all of their books to be copied by the scribes of the library.

Beware The Scrolls of Confusion, e.g. NYTimes

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at February 28, 2017 07:15 AM (8J/Te)

155 Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 28, 2017 12:12 PM (mf5HN) I mean, the corruption is still there. It's just much harder to root out and identify when you have people in those positions for life instead of for 4-year terms.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 07:15 AM (wmaTe)

156 >>>Read the article. She started as a political appointee and then at the end of Obama's term she applied for, and was granted, a civil service rating. not just that, but to do so, she went from a junior policy position -- which is a big thing, I guess, for a new hire -- to applying for a permanent position as a secretary. A job, obviously, with much less prestige and influence and future career prospects. So she was a new secretary, held over from the past president, surprised the new president wouldn't heed her wisdom. One wonders if the job she was applying for was actually "secretary" or "political spy."

Posted by: ace at February 28, 2017 07:15 AM (8rNrN)

157 google celebrating the birthday of another person no one has ever heard of before.

Posted by: josephistan at February 28, 2017 07:15 AM (7HtZB)

158 What bugs me about the Kellyanne on the couch thing is that she wasn't supposed to be in the shot. She is not the focus of that picture--Trump and his guests were. So the asshole who took that shot set out to make Kellyanne look stupid--and Trump (literally) "small"--as he's way in the background. It's as if the photographer who took the famous shot of the flag waving at Iwo Jima got a goat taking a shit in the foreground of shot when the flag raising was real the focus.. Amirite? And I'm not comparing Kellyanne to a goat taking a shit....

Posted by: JoeF. at February 28, 2017 07:15 AM (7uYFy)

159 Alexandria was a big port. Apprently it was the law that any visiting ships and travelers had to surrender all of their books to be copied by the scribes of the library. They'd be given back after a time, but not before their contents were added to the library. ----- Yeah... but things have changed. The Saviors are taking EVERYTHING, and if Rick cant get Hilltop and The Kingdom to help fight, he might have to trust the Junkyard girl.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 07:15 AM (8XRCm)

160 FWIW, Bush did criticize Obama, but it didn't make the news, as Teh Won was above criticism. Trump, not so much.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at February 28, 2017 07:16 AM (MINbv)

161 She wasn't just a random Muslim woman picked for her identity cred. Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 12:10 PM (/tuJf) A good working assumption would be that every muslim hired by the Obama administration is MoBro (or worse) until conclusively proven otherwise.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 28, 2017 07:16 AM (WDdjT)

162 RIP Judge Wopner

Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2017 07:17 AM (oXKWd)

163 Nope. That's the point. Some of them started as political appointees but then transitioned to lower status and lower pay civil service jobs. It's called burrowing and there were reports dating back to November when Trump won that this was part of the Obama pushback plan. Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 12:13 PM (/tuJf) but its not like the career employees are any different or better then the political ones. They're all big fans of big government, they're all in one way or another working in make-work jobs that pay very well, and their only role is to keep government growing and to donate to D politicians directly and through their union.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 07:17 AM (wmaTe)

164 I'm seeing that, now. The People's Court was good stuff.

Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2017 07:17 AM (oXKWd)

165 Fiction, Jane. Comes from a satirical site. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 28, 2017 11:58 AM (WDdjT) Fake but accurate.

Posted by: Ran Dather at February 28, 2017 07:17 AM (SxNet)

166 RIP Judge Wopner Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2017 12:17 PM (oXKWd) === Rainman's gonna freak out.

Posted by: Mortimer, FINISH HER! at February 28, 2017 07:18 AM (8GRZ3)

167 Yup. At least the patronage system was honest graft. 

Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 28, 2017 12:12 PM (mf5HN)



It had another advantage: you could now guarantee that the people in the civil service who actually did any work would be 100% behind you, because a) you picked them for that, and b) if they weren't, or you lost re-election, they'd be out on their asses. So it would be very much in their interest to implement your policies without cavil.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:18 AM (SRKgf)

168 >>David Horowitz has an interesting piece on her background. While she was in college she was an officer of the Muslim Student Association which is a Muslim Brotherhood affiliated organization.

She wasn't just a random Muslim woman picked for her identity cred.




Not surprised. Ahmed interned at the WH while still a GW student --- just like Huma Abedin, who was also a GW student *and* and executive on the MSA when she interned at the WH (working for Hillary).

Not like there's a formal mechanism to get MB agents hired at the WH or anything, huh?

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at February 28, 2017 07:18 AM (NOIQH)

169 Piss on them, fire them anyway.  Or transfer them to Kodiak, AK to count mess kit spoons.

Posted by: Vic[/i] We Have No Party at February 28, 2017 07:18 AM (mpXpK)

170
I gave W a small defense yesterday for what I thought was a misinterpretation of a couple of statements and although this new article is from the non-believable People mag, yeah f that, talk about your book and nothing else dumbass if you really care about no criticism from ex-prezes.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 28, 2017 07:18 AM (ODxAs)

171 >>Rainman's gonna freak out. Wait until he sees the Carrots in his chili.

Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2017 07:19 AM (oXKWd)

Posted by: Agent Cooper at February 28, 2017 07:19 AM (1zARK)

173 Wait until he sees the Carrots in his chili. Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2017 12:19 PM (oXKWd) ------- NEVER. gets. old.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 07:19 AM (8XRCm)

174 I don't think patronage was such a hot system but 100% without any remotest possibility of question the public employees unions need to be broken. MUST BE. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor I think anything would be better than the current system that are basically just left wing foot soldiers running DC. So bring back the patronage, pass strict lobbying rules, and see what happens. Can't get any worse.

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 07:19 AM (clmv9)

175 Old Hotness: Trump will die in prison!! New Hotness: Bwah!! I'm taking my toys away and going home!!

Posted by: Max Power at February 28, 2017 07:19 AM (QCc6B)

176 One wonders if the job she was applying for was actually "secretary" or "political spy." Posted by: ace at February 28, 2017 12:15 PM (8rNrN Muslim Brotherhood spy as well (is that political or treasonous?). Not enough focus and attention on those three Muslim Brothers caught Hacking while working as IT guys making 160k/yr. The access that they had is frightening before the hacks.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 07:19 AM (ksj3z)

177 A good working assumption would be that every muslim hired by the Obama administration is MoBro (or worse) until conclusively proven otherwise. Since they get to lie to advance islam, I'm not buying "proof".

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:20 AM (QFqpA)

178 Wait until he sees the Carrots in his chili.

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You know, I feel I should say "we need to let that go."

However, that's the weirdest thing ever. Somewhat like "peanut soup."

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at February 28, 2017 07:21 AM (J5mC3)

179 >>One wonders if the job she was applying for was actually "secretary" or "political spy." I know what my money is on. If you haven't seen it, a quick scan of David Horowitz' article on this woman is pretty interesting. At the very least, she was an officer at a Muslim Brotherhood related organization in college. Call me skeptical but I don't see a random recent college grad making her way onto the staff of one of Obama's most powerful and influential aides. She was hired for a purpose. http://tinyurl.com/hadtqdb

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 07:21 AM (/tuJf)

180 Almost all government jobs have a period in which they do not yet get union protection from firing, so they should be still able to dump for 6 months or so. In other words: they can be dealt with, probably and President Trump needs to do so immediately.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 07:21 AM (39g3+)

181 It's called burrowing

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 12:13 PM (/tuJf)


As in burrowing into the media, into academia, into entertainment, into foundations, into ...

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:21 AM (SRKgf)

182
The best way to combat this burrowing crap is to cut off the money.  I hope the WH understands that.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 28, 2017 07:21 AM (ODxAs)

183 Since they get to lie to advance islam, I'm not buying "proof". Posted by: rickb223 at February 28, 2017 12:20 PM (QFqpA) ------- Martyrita. Its made with Taqqiya. And limes.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 07:21 AM (8XRCm)

184 One wonders if the job she was applying for was actually "secretary" or "political spy."

Posted by: ace at February 28, 2017 12:15 PM (8rNrN)


I don't  wonder at all....I'm positive of it.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:21 AM (Enq6K)

185 161 She wasn't just a random Muslim woman picked for her identity cred. Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 12:10 PM (/tuJf) A good working assumption would be that every muslim hired by the Obama administration is MoBro (or worse) until conclusively proven otherwise. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 28, 2017 12:16 PM (WDdjT I would add Bush and Clinton as well.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 07:22 AM (ksj3z)

186 "What bugs me about the Kellyanne on the couch" Kellyanne makes the photo not look like a staged photo op. Kellyanne is brilliant or blessed by God or both. This is better than that time I accidentally stepped on RWR foot in the Oval Office back in 1987.

Posted by: Ok at February 28, 2017 07:22 AM (K2SnJ)

187 It's ridiculous that government employs have Union protections at all.

Posted by: Lauren at February 28, 2017 07:22 AM (ZUao0)

188 Yes, I know this raises civil liberties issues. Just saying, they seemed to take this idea of copying and reading all accumulated records seriously. Posted by: ace at February 28, 2017 12:11 PM (8rNrN) I saw this yesterday and it's very interesting. Yes, yes, it's The Atlantic but needs must. http://theatln.tc/2luZREw It's about a Benedictine monk who travels through the Middle East getting people to allow him to have the ancient texts photographed so there will be at least a digital copy of the works.

Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 28, 2017 07:22 AM (mf5HN)

189 >>but its not like the career employees are any different or better then the political ones. They're all big fans of big government, they're all in one way or another working in make-work jobs that pay very well, and their only role is to keep government growing and to donate to D politicians directly and through their union



While this is true, I would imagine that the political appointees such as Ahmed have a direct connection and loyalty to their president, as opposed to your random politically active federal bureaucrat.

Hillary brought over 70 people with her to the State Dept - people like Cheryl Mills and Hum Abedin who had essentially spent their entire careers working for the Clintons, as they traveled from one job to the next, always with the same employer. When Hillary left State not all of these people resigned. Some of them stayed behind and covered her ass, because they were loyal to her, not the US, not the DNC; loyal to Hillary.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at February 28, 2017 07:23 AM (NOIQH)

190 Remember when FDRs national security staff was chock full of krauts? Me neither.

Posted by: Lord Sir x at February 28, 2017 07:23 AM (nFwvY)

191 187 It's ridiculous that government employs have Union protections at all. Posted by: Lauren at February 28, 2017 12:22 PM (ZUao0) Well, they do, and I suspect the courts would call that a constitutional right if it was threatened in any way. So Trump needs to find a way around that. I'd suggest a non-delegation case, but that will require some more Gorsuch - type judges.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 07:23 AM (wmaTe)

192 Call me skeptical but I don't see a random recent college grad making her way onto the staff of one of Obama's most powerful and influential aides. She was hired for a purpose.
http://tinyurl.com/hadtqdb
Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 12:21 PM (/tuJf)



Much like Obama, fresh law school graduate, offered a position distributing $100 million for the Annenberg Challenge. Who else did Ayers et al. consider for the position? After all, there were a whole bunch of recent law school grads to choose from at the time. Why this particular one?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:23 AM (SRKgf)

193 Or transfer them to Kodiak, AK" Hey, I grew up there. How 'bout Afognak?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at February 28, 2017 07:23 AM (MINbv)

194 Civil service protections, union representation.

Posted by: RioBravo at February 28, 2017 07:23 AM (SsblQ)

195 Burrowing is a perfect word for the idea: like a tick or a ringworm. Diving under the surface to live as a parasite off the host body, corrupting it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 07:23 AM (39g3+)

196 "Attacking basic tenets of democracy". Exactly how? Names some for instances. They never do. Harsh words. Vague responses. Sad.

Posted by: washrivergal at February 28, 2017 07:23 AM (Ivjge)

197 One word... ValJar.

Posted by: davidt at February 28, 2017 07:23 AM (XoldI)

198 This is going to get very ugly... Trump will soon say something back... Posted by: Don Quixote, USN Ret. at February 28, 2017 12:07 PM (NgKpN) --------------------------------------------------------- Considering one of the Bush daughters will be speaking at a Planned Parenthood shindig it is only a matter time before the family converts openly to the Democrat Party. I hope the take all their hacks with them.

Posted by: William Eaton at February 28, 2017 07:23 AM (MuTTO)

199 Transparent bullsht?

Posted by: Killerdog at February 28, 2017 07:24 AM (wtO4Z)

200 Remember when FDRs national security staff was chock full of krauts? Me neither. Posted by: Lord Sir x at February 28, 2017 12:23 PM (nFwvY) No room. All the slots were filled by Commies.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 28, 2017 07:24 AM (WDdjT)

201 Posted by: Lizzy at February 28, 2017 12:23 PM (NOIQH) Sure, but when 97% (IIRC) of the political donations by the "career" bureaucracy go to one political party -- is there really a difference?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 07:24 AM (wmaTe)

202 Kellyanne makes the photo not look like a staged photo op. She looks like a ditzy fan girl with a celebrity, it did not please me.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 07:24 AM (39g3+)

203 190 Remember when FDRs national security staff was chock full of krauts? Me neither.
Posted by: Lord Sir x at February 28, 2017 12:23 PM (nFwvY)



I remember when his Administration was chock full of Reds, including his VP, Alger Hiss, and his Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, Harry Dexter White, who negotiated the Bretton Woods agreement for the US. Does that count?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:25 AM (SRKgf)

204 Considering one of the Bush daughters will be speaking at a Planned Parenthood shindig W. T. F?

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:25 AM (QFqpA)

205 Somewhat OT:

ZeroHedge has an interesting article on the current admin's leaks and the protests; essentially Trump blames Obama.

/not disagreeing

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at February 28, 2017 07:25 AM (J5mC3)

206 199 Transparent bullsht? Posted by: Killerdog at February 28, 2017 12:24 PM (wtO4Z) It all comes back to that glass & cow shit article.

Posted by: josephistan at February 28, 2017 07:25 AM (7HtZB)

207 Not enough focus and attention on those three Muslim Brothers caught Hacking while working as IT guys making 160k/yr. The access that they had is frightening before the hacks. And as I noted above they were being funneled money by a first-generation Iraqi of Iranian parentage who is hiding out in the Mideast from US tax-fraud charges, known to associate with Hezbollah, and had been an advisor to Wolfowitz going into the Iraq war. http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/paul-wolfowitzs-iran-connection/

Posted by: JEM at February 28, 2017 07:25 AM (TppKb)

208 It's all Bullshit. Allof it!

-Ahnuld

Posted by: Soothsayer 45 at February 28, 2017 11:48 AM


FIFY

Posted by: RedMindBlueState[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at February 28, 2017 07:26 AM (p+Wdc)

209 "She looks like a ditzy fan girl with a celebrity, it did not please me." That's what you're supposed to think. They specifically pushed the photo that most gives that impression. She was trying to get an angle to take a picture. A picture she was almost certainly asked to take.

Posted by: Lauren at February 28, 2017 07:26 AM (ZUao0)

210 I just don;t think people realize how much damage even pretty lower level fed employees can cause. I have a friend that's representing a developer, and basically Forest Service Personnel are ignoring established laws and working hand in hand with the Sierra Club to scuttle all development. Just a tiny glimpse of what's going on, even when US Senators from both parties have gotten involved because its a huge number of jobs, they still flip the bird.

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 07:26 AM (clmv9)

211 HOLY CRAP.  I just remembered something.

Whatever happened to the story of the three Muzzie brothers who were working (spying) at the NSA? 

That story seems to have disappeared.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 07:26 AM (PY9jH)

212 No room. All the slots were filled by Commies. Yeah his administration was pretty well stuffed with actual, often card-carrying communists.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 07:26 AM (39g3+)

213 >>Sure, but when 97% (IIRC) of the political donations by the "career" bureaucracy go to one political party -- is there really a difference?


Probably the only difference is that they are more easily tapped to do mischief by Obama and his team.

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at February 28, 2017 07:26 AM (NOIQH)

214 W. T. F? Posted by: rickb223 at February 28, 2017 12:25 PM (QFqpA) http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Barbara-Pierce-Bush-daughter-of-President-W-Bush-10959667.php

Posted by: William Eaton at February 28, 2017 07:26 AM (MuTTO)

215 Remember when FDRs national security staff was chock full of krauts? Me neither. ------------ Wedemeyer, Nimitz, and Eisenhower?

Posted by: RioBravo at February 28, 2017 07:26 AM (SsblQ)

216 Considering one of the Bush daughters will be speaking at a Planned Parenthood shindig it is only a matter time before the family converts openly to the Democrat Party. I hope the take all their hacks with them. Before this is over ... the Establishment Wing of the GOP will openly join Democrats against Trump. Remember ... I called it first.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 07:26 AM (AuISE)

217 Alger Hiss ------- And Nixon outed and nailed that fucker. And the left never forgot. You think Watergate was about abuse of power and a break-in. It was about getting Dick for getting Alger Hiss.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 07:27 AM (8XRCm)

218 Not enough focus and attention on those three Muslim Brothers caught Hacking while working as IT guys making 160k/yr. The access that they had is frightening before the hacks.


Beat me to it.


That's what I get for getting up to make a smoothie.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 07:28 AM (PY9jH)

219 Before this is over ... the Establishment Wing of the GOP will openly join Democrats against Trump. All ready done..

Posted by: It's me donna at February 28, 2017 07:28 AM (O2RFr)

220 By the way, Brianna Wu, remember him? The fake asian tranny? He said that rich people who go to the moon will "drop rocks" from there causing nuclear explosions on earth. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor He's a tranny, but I don't think he's trying to pass himself off as an asian. His "husband" is an asian, so I think his thinking is "If I adopt my husband's last name, that is a really womanly thing to do, so that will prove I'm a real woman!" It's the same type of thing that makes them obsess about bathrooms, or makes Mrs. Garrison want to have an abortion.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 28, 2017 07:28 AM (W8bn5)

221 "W. T. F?" Yeah. Fuck them. (Oh and I am waiting to hear back from my sister, but since her kids are very young I'm sure they weren't injured. Hopefully they didn't see anything though. )

Posted by: Lauren at February 28, 2017 07:28 AM (ZUao0)

222 Has Notorious RBG resigned yet?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 28, 2017 07:28 AM (PNcou)

223 Just...wow.

Posted by: WisRich at February 28, 2017 07:28 AM (hdpay)

224 That's what you're supposed to think. They specifically pushed the photo that most gives that impression. Yeah but why would she be needed to take a picture with a hand held cellphone when there's a professional photographer there with a high quality camera already taking pictures? She acts like a fangirl all the time, not just then. I'm not fond of her.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 07:29 AM (39g3+)

225 4 Take that Noon! Posted by: garrett at February 28, 2017 11:48 AM (oXKWd) ******************* Show noon--who is BOSS!!

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 28, 2017 07:29 AM (fi5nC)

226 222 Has Notorious RBG resigned yet? Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 28, 2017 12:28 PM (PNcou) Nope. She has said she will stay on the court until she's 90 or the Reaper comes for her, whichever comes first.

Posted by: joncelli, Gobsmacked Rage Monkey and Crossbowman at February 28, 2017 07:30 AM (RD7QR)

227 He's a tranny, but I don't think he's trying to pass himself off as an asian. His "husband" is an asian, so I think his thinking is "If I adopt my husband's last name, that is a really womanly thing to do, so that will prove I'm a real woman!" It's the same type of thing that makes them obsess about bathrooms, or makes Mrs. Garrison want to have an abortion. Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at February 28, 2017 12:28 PM (W8bn5) The only thing genuine about Brianna Wu is the stupid, and that is 24 karat.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 28, 2017 07:30 AM (WDdjT)

228 I just don;t think people realize how much damage even pretty lower level fed employees can cause. I have a friend that's representing a developer, and basically Forest Service Personnel are ignoring established laws and working hand in hand with the Sierra Club to scuttle all development. Just a tiny glimpse of what's going on, even when US Senators from both parties have gotten involved because its a huge number of jobs, they still flip the bird. Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 12:26 PM (clmv9) Right. Low level unelected bureaucrats can (and do) destroy peoples lives every day. And your only avenue to redress that grievance is a kangaroo court run by other low level unelected bureaucrats. And there's no one you can lobby to change the law. There's no one you can vote out of office. Nothing. Because there is no law -- it's just administrative code, which is as powerful as law. Oh, and the (real) courts really really REALLY don't like to review decisions of administrative courts. Even Scalia didn't want to go there. And this "shadow government" is way bigger and more powerful than our elected government. Literally one unaccountable 24 year old can shut down a huge job site, or impose huge fines on someone, or I mean -- anything. They have near limitless power. And the only "check" on them is their co-workers posing as judges.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 07:30 AM (wmaTe)

229 >>Yeah but why would she be needed to take a picture with a hand held cellphone when there's a professional photographer there with a high quality camera already taking pictures?


Post on twitter or instagram?

Posted by: Lizzy [/i] at February 28, 2017 07:30 AM (NOIQH)

230 "Almost all government jobs have a period in which they do not yet get union protection from firing, so they should be still able to dump for 6 months or so. In other words: they can be dealt with, probably and President Trump needs to do so immediately."

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 12:21 PM (39g3+) 

Just start making people do things they really, really don't want to do, and they'll move along soon enough. For instance, you have a 10 year veteran in the state department foreign service who's less than enthusiastic about doing their job to implement POTUS's foreign policy. Ship them off to an undesirable location for awhile, and they'll get the hint.

Posted by: Sirius the Canine Pundit at February 28, 2017 07:30 AM (LBO1U)

231 @211 not at the.NSA. Congressional staff. And committees. Like intelligence. You know the party of the offices they worked for, right!? So you know what happened to the story.

Posted by: blaster at February 28, 2017 07:30 AM (St6l/)

232 why would she be needed to take a picture with a hand held cellphone ------------------------------------------ Yeah, she should have been using a selfie stick. /

Posted by: RioBravo at February 28, 2017 07:31 AM (SsblQ)

233 Whatever KellyAnne Conway is making as far as a slary in the Trump Admin she's underpaid. No way I would want to be "Palinized" for whatever she's making, She'sobviously an intelligent and resourceful person or she wouldn't have gotten Trump elected. but no, leftists who Luv women and respect them sooooo very much want to make her into some clueless "fan girl". I dont even want to look at the picture; I've heard enough about it already.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 07:31 AM (fDdVG)

234 "Yeah but why would she be needed to take a picture with a hand held cellphone when there's a professional photographer there with a high quality camera already taking pictures? " Because the actual photographers are Obama loyalists (clearly) so it's always helpful to have your own people taking pictures too. Remember the "trump moved the MLK bust!!11!" thing?

Posted by: Lauren at February 28, 2017 07:31 AM (ZUao0)

235 http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Barbara-Pierce-Bush-daughter-of-President-W-Bush-10959667.php She needs to get on her knees every day for the rest of her life and thank God that Laura didn't avail herself of their services.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:31 AM (QFqpA)

236 Before this is over ... the Establishment Wing of the GOP will openly join Democrats against Trump. Remember ... I called it first. Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 12:26 PM (AuISE) ------------------------------------------------------ I suspect their defense of gun rights is a just as hollow as their supposed "Christian beliefs", and their "patriotism". They are just globalists, and will do whatever it takes to promote globalism, even ditching the constitution, religion, and nation. Bush talking about "Snowflake Children" now takes on a different meaning.

Posted by: William Eaton at February 28, 2017 07:31 AM (MuTTO)

237 Nope. She has said she will stay on the court until she's 90 or the Reaper comes for her, whichever comes first. Posted by: joncelli, Gobsmacked Rage Monkey and Crossbowman at February 28, 2017 12:30 PM (RD7QR) ----- I really cant believe she didnt retire during TFGs term so he could replace her.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 07:32 AM (8XRCm)

238 It was about getting Dick for getting Alger Hiss. Posted by: fixerupper Wait... so if I get Alger Hiss, can I get a dick too?

Posted by: transgender wrestler at February 28, 2017 07:32 AM (W8bn5)

239 211 HOLY CRAP. I just remembered something. Whatever happened to the story of the three Muzzie brothers who were working (spying) at the NSA? That story seems to have disappeared. Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 12:26 PM (PY9jH) Yep. Scary that it has been buried. The new narrative is that it was 9 people involved in the hacking, which is a flat out lie.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 07:32 AM (ksj3z)

240 This wouldn't be the former national security adviser for strategic communications and former press van driver, Ben Rhodes, would it?

Good to see he has a skill to fall back on.

Posted by: Fritz at February 28, 2017 07:32 AM (2Mnv1)

241 "So bring back the patronage, pass strict lobbying rules, and see what happens. " No. Expand the size of the House of Representatives and assign each Representative a secure-workstation to conduct meetings on. You could even add virtual reality goggles. How many here have had meetings via Microsoft Live Meeting? The way to drain the swamp is to get the people's representatives out of DC and back in their districts. If you make their districts smaller (increase the number of representatives) then you get more accountability. Also you don't have all these aids doing the job the Congressman should be doing.

Posted by: Ok at February 28, 2017 07:33 AM (K2SnJ)

242 Wow, she gave it a whole ***8 days***. She had no intention of influencing Trump. And also, who the f is she to exude influence - she was Ben Rhodes' assistant and she has no National Security expertise. Flynn and his team were supposed to listen to her???? --- #ButShePersisted (for 192 hours)

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 28, 2017 07:33 AM (PNcou)

243 I suspect quite a few folks in this country are now aware that the biased media lies, cheats and pulls the kind of shennanigans listed in the post above on a routine basis.  Especially since last November.  The fake polling had to be the big eye opener for anybody left who still didn't get it.

It's done in such a clumsy, obvious way.  Anybody with an ounce of common sense can see what they're up to.

You'd have to be a very "low information" kind of person to not see through stunts like this, and I think those people are few and far between.  The vast majority of the people who say they believe the press is honest know very well that's not the case, and are just carrying water for "the cause."

Posted by: Agent Cooper at February 28, 2017 07:33 AM (1zARK)

244 Trump also needs to demand the resignation of Ben Rhodes, Valerie Jarret and the other Obama apparatchiks that were installed in government sinecires like so many ticks as Obama was walking out the door. Rhoades has been installed at the national holocaust commission and jarret was installed at the nea. This fucks are probably acting as conduits and contacts for Obama and his team as he heads the shadow government

Posted by: Kreplach at February 28, 2017 07:33 AM (gGV8Y)

245 No room. All the slots were filled by Commies. --- no diversity of socialists

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 28, 2017 07:33 AM (PNcou)

246 Alt Headline (if we had an honest media): NSC Employee More Interested in Social Justice than National Security Resigns. Nations Breathes a Sigh of Relief You disagree with policy. Fine. I can respect that. You resign based on that disagreement. No problem. You run out and pitch your "story" to the media... go fuck yourself. If you are part of the NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL, you have ONE JOB. It does not involve being a advocate for non existent rights of people who come from places that were identified by THE OBAMA ADMIN as being at the top of the "Places That Do Not Provide Appropriate Vetting and Are Full of People Who Want to Kill Us" list. If I work at McDonalds but I am a vegan, I don't get to go to work every day and advocate for/ berate people for eating hamburgers. The crime is that people like this were every hired in the first place.

Posted by: Damiano at February 28, 2017 07:33 AM (71OEY)

247 Literally one unaccountable 24 year old can shut down a huge job site, or impose huge fines on someone, or I mean -- anything. They have near limitless power. And the only "check" on them is their co-workers posing as judges. Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 12:30 PM (wmaTe) the administrative procedures act is unconstitutional I don't care what the supreme court said and fuck every gop congress sideways with a flaming pineapple for conveniently forgetting that the congressional review act is a thing unless they want to remember to get reelected and by the by congress can repeal that apa any single moment it wants and i'm going to have a stroke now arrrggghh

Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 28, 2017 07:33 AM (mf5HN)

248 She acts like a fangirl all the time, not just then. I'm not fond of her. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 12:29 PM (39g3+) Trump got her to do that, because he's trolling the media. He forced them to publish a photo of many distinguished-looking black Americans, many smiling, meeting with him in the Oval Office, a picture that most of the media would have declined to print, were it not for Kellyanne acting as bait.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 28, 2017 07:33 AM (WDdjT)

249 237 Nope. She has said she will stay on the court until she's 90 or the Reaper comes for her, whichever comes first. Posted by: joncelli, Gobsmacked Rage Monkey and Crossbowman at February 28, 2017 12:30 PM (RD7QR) ----- I really cant believe she didnt retire during TFGs term so he could replace her. Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 12:32 PM (8XRCm) Because she wanted to wait for Hillary! to become President. That's pride fucking with you.

Posted by: josephistan at February 28, 2017 07:33 AM (7HtZB)

250
She needs to get on her knees every day for the rest of her life and thank God that Laura didn't avail herself of their services.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 28, 2017 12:31 PM (QFqpA)



Laura is pro-choice, so yeah.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 07:33 AM (PY9jH)

251 I really cant believe she didnt retire during TFGs term so he could replace her. Addicted to the power would be my bet.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 07:33 AM (AuISE)

252 I guess he kept his damned mouth shut throughout the abomination of the Obama administration because he didn't want to appear "raysssissss."
Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 12:09 PM (PY9jH)
It's revenge for defeating Jeb. I lose respect for W each day. To think I once defended him.

Posted by: joncelli, Gobsmacked Rage Monkey and Crossbowman at February 28, 2017 12:10 PM (RD7QR)


Trump ran his mouth before the election about how Bush deliberately lied to get us into war in Iraq.  So I can understand why Bush isn't exactly friendly to the new administration, his 8 years of silence notwithstanding.

It was the single most ill-advised opinion Trump could ever voice publicly. All it did was piss off a potential friend and ally, and for what? But he's president now, so I guess it all worked out.

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 28, 2017 07:33 AM (WwTKJ)

253 why would she be needed to take a picture with a hand held cellphone ------------------------------------------ Yeah, she should have been using a selfie stick. / Well the real question is who took Her picture?

Posted by: It's me donna at February 28, 2017 07:34 AM (O2RFr)

254 Whatever KellyAnne Conway is making as far as a slary in the Trump Admin she's underpaid. No way I would want to be "Palinized" for whatever she's making, She'sobviously an intelligent and resourceful person or she wouldn't have gotten Trump elected. but no, leftists who Luv women and respect them sooooo very much want to make her into some clueless "fan girl". I dont even want to look at the picture; I've heard enough about it already.
--

Exactly. As for her taking a picture, do we know why she was taking it?

Maybe she is a fan girl.

Maybe she was specifically asked to take it.

Maybe she tried to get out of the shot, but the photographers made sure she was in it to make her look bad.

Maybe we don't know sh*t. 

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at February 28, 2017 07:34 AM (J5mC3)

255 I really cant believe she didnt retire during TFGs term so he could replace her. Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 12:32 PM (8XRCm) She thought Hillary would win. but Obamas team was definitely pushing to her to retire... and maybe she would have, but it was too risky toward the end of Obama's term and the whole Merrick Garland thing and all of that. So it actually probably worked out well for us. She's 83 years old. If Trump gets too terms, it seems highly unlikely she will stay on the bench that whole time. Even 4 years -- 87 years old? Come on!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 07:34 AM (wmaTe)

256 217 Alger Hiss
-------
And Nixon outed and nailed that fucker.
And the left never forgot.
You think Watergate was about abuse of power and a break-in.
It was about getting Dick for getting Alger Hiss.
Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 12:27 PM (8XRCm)



Exactly. It took them 20 years, but eventually they got payback.

Now a bonus question: which two papers most vigorously defended Hiss and excoriated Whitaker Chambers?

Answer: NYT and WaPo. (Chambers's book, Witness, talks about this at length.)

Which two papers most vigorously attacked Nixon? NYT and WaPo.

The pieces kinda fall into place, no?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:34 AM (SRKgf)

257 I really cant believe she didnt retire during TFGs term so he could replace her. Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 12:32 PM (8XRCm) ********** Heh. The one time I'm for Lib polls. They probably tricked her into waiting for the first female president to make her replacement appointment.

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 28, 2017 07:34 AM (fi5nC)

258 You'd have to be a very "low information" kind of person to not see through stunts like this, and I think those people are few and far between. -------------------------------- Outside the 80% of the population that in LI, perhaps.

Posted by: RioBravo at February 28, 2017 07:34 AM (SsblQ)

259 Literally one unaccountable 24 year old can shut down a huge job site, or impose huge fines on someone, or I mean -- anything. They have near limitless power. And the only "check" on them is their co-workers posing as judges. Posted by: Harry Paratestes ___ Yep, all the while with their secret email account going back and forth with the Sierra Club getting legal advice on how to shut things down. My honest cynical opinion is Trump won't address it , but hopefully a few of these people over play their hands and make him. The goal right now will be to grind things down to a halt as they see Trump as a short term aberration.

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 07:34 AM (clmv9)

260 230 "Almost all government jobs have a period in which they do not yet get union protection from firing, so they should be still able to dump for 6 months or so. In other words: they can be dealt with, probably and President Trump needs to do so immediately." Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 12:21 PM (39g3+) Just start making people do things they really, really don't want to do, and they'll move along soon enough. For instance, you have a 10 year veteran in the state department foreign service who's less than enthusiastic about doing their job to implement POTUS's foreign policy. Ship them off to an undesirable location for awhile, and they'll get the hint. Posted by: Sirius the Canine Pundit at February 28, 2017 12:30 PM (LBO1U) There is a law in place allowing the POTUS to lower government employees' salaries to $1. I don't know if it applies to civil service personnel (and I assume it was put in place to accommodate Depression Era "Dollar A Year Men."). If it does apply the result could be instructive.

Posted by: joncelli, Gobsmacked Rage Monkey and Crossbowman at February 28, 2017 07:35 AM (RD7QR)

261 She thought Hillary would win.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 12:34 PM (wmaTe)



The Republic definitely dodged a bullet, courtesy of The Donald.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:35 AM (SRKgf)

262 "Well the real question is who took Her picture?" The Official Totally Not A Partisan Hack White House Photographer, I'm sure.

Posted by: Lauren at February 28, 2017 07:35 AM (ZUao0)

263 261 She thought Hillary would win. Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 12:34 PM (wmaTe) The Republic definitely dodged a bullet, courtesy of The Donald It's one of the reasons Trump won...

Posted by: It's me donna at February 28, 2017 07:36 AM (O2RFr)

264 I really cant believe she didnt retire during TFGs term so he could replace her. == Nah, she's in it until the end, even if Trump loses in 2020. You see this with old professors, too. The ones who haven't retired by 75 are planning to work until they die. Not sure it's ego, of the "they can't get along without me" variety. Just stubbornness, or something.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 28, 2017 07:36 AM (PXbkt)

265 They probably tricked her into waiting for the first female president to make her replacement appointment.

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 28, 2017 12:34 PM (fi5nC)


Good point.

You've got to laugh.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:36 AM (SRKgf)

266 The Official Totally Not A Partisan Hack White House Photographer, I'm sure. Exactly.... Fire Him/Her...

Posted by: It's me donna at February 28, 2017 07:37 AM (O2RFr)

267 Addicted to the power would be my bet. Yeah, she's at the highest possible position for her profession on earth. They don't let that go readily, especially someone as nearly complete in her unqualification for the job.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 07:37 AM (39g3+)

268 262 "Well the real question is who took Her picture?" The Official Totally Not A Partisan Hack White House Photographer, I'm sure. Posted by: Lauren at February 28, 2017 12:35 PM (ZUao0) ********************** First place I saw it was attributed to the AFP. Agence-France Presse

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 28, 2017 07:37 AM (fi5nC)

269 especially someone as nearly complete in her unqualification for the job. Obama's 2 "Female?" appointees are the worst...

Posted by: It's me donna at February 28, 2017 07:38 AM (O2RFr)

270 Yep, all the while with their secret email account going back and forth with the Sierra Club getting legal advice on how to shut things down. -------------------------- Of course Scott Pruitt tried to keep his emails with corporations secret. Two sides of the same coin. The American people get screwed all around.

Posted by: RioBravo at February 28, 2017 07:38 AM (SsblQ)

271 You see this with old professors, too. The ones who haven't retired by 75 are planning to work until they die. Not sure it's ego, of the "they can't get along without me" variety. Just stubbornness, or something.

Posted by: Geronimo Stilton at February 28, 2017 12:36 PM (PXbkt)


It's hard for some people to let go of something they've done all their working lives, and that to some extent defines who they are. See, e.g., Brett Favre.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:38 AM (SRKgf)

272 the administrative procedures act is unconstitutional I don't care what the supreme court said and fuck every gop congress sideways with a flaming pineapple for conveniently forgetting that the congressional review act is a thing unless they want to remember to get reelected and by the by congress can repeal that apa any single moment it wants and i'm going to have a stroke now arrrggghh Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 28, 2017 12:33 PM (mf5HN) I'm not sure repealing the APA would solve this either though... I mean, it could be a first step. If I were Trump, my entire term in office would be devoted to un-doing the administrative state. I was encourage to hear Bannon say something along those lines. Just doing that would be YUGE and make him a very successful president.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 07:38 AM (wmaTe)

273 What most people don't understand or care to acknowledge is that Democrats don't want to govern, they want to rule. Those are two completely different things with the latter. Ring a reason we have this country and constitution in the first place. People need to get the vet the fact this is not hyperbole. It is the way Democrats have increasingly acted and it's demonstrable in their deeds. It's more dangerous to the long term existence of our country than any other threat because it destroys our liberty from the inside out. Nothing good can come from Democrat rule and the subterfuge of their liege in the press.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 28, 2017 07:38 AM (gjdGN)

274 Trump does need to clean house, and now is the perfect chance to get congress to allow firing government employees that does not take two lifetimes to accomplish. If they can fire military personnel at will, the same should be for a political hack behind a desk in Homeland Security.

Posted by: William Eaton at February 28, 2017 07:38 AM (MuTTO)

275 Trump ran his mouth before the election about how Bush deliberately lied to get us into war in Iraq. So I can understand why Bush isn't exactly friendly to the new administration, his 8 years of silence notwithstanding. It was the single most ill-advised opinion Trump could ever voice publicly. All it did was piss off a potential friend and ally, and for what? But he's president now, so I guess it all worked out. Posted by: OregonMuse _______ Funny how Obama and Hillary did FAR worse with that sort of rhetoric and they get backslaps, medals and tacit endorsements from the Bush family. Trump killed the Bush dynasty, and that is what they are most mad about. Exposed them for the frauds they are.

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 07:38 AM (clmv9)

276 Ginsberg shuffles off this earthly coil. Trump nominates Garland v2.0. Can you *imagine* the lefty wailing and rending of clothes and gnashing of teeth. Then. Kennedy retires.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 07:39 AM (8XRCm)

277 242 Wow, she gave it a whole ***8 days***. She had no intention of influencing Trump. And also, who the f is she to exude influence - she was Ben Rhodes' assistant and she has no National Security expertise. Flynn and his team were supposed to listen to her???? --- #ButShePersisted (for 192 hours) Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 28, 2017 12:33 PM (PNcou 11,520 minutes! #ButShePersisted

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 07:39 AM (ksj3z)

278 I truly believe alot of this Deep State shit could be worked out if we could just de-centralize shit away from DC.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 07:39 AM (AuISE)

279 No one lives longer than Supreme Court justices and the widows of rich men.

Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 28, 2017 07:40 AM (mf5HN)

280 de-centralize shit away from DC. Yup, DC is definitely a swamp...

Posted by: It's me donna at February 28, 2017 07:40 AM (O2RFr)

281 I truly believe alot of this Deep State shit could be worked out if we could just de-centralize shit away from DC. Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 12:39 PM (AuISE) Simply shutting down entire departments, and giving their powers back to the States would help a lot.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 28, 2017 07:40 AM (WDdjT)

282 No one lives longer than Supreme Court justices and the widows of rich men.

Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 28, 2017 12:40 PM (mf5HN)



Or George Soros.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 07:41 AM (PY9jH)

283 If I were Trump, my entire term in office would be devoted to un-doing the administrative state. I was encourage to hear Bannon say something along those lines. Just doing that would be YUGE and make him a very successful president. Posted by: Harry Paratestes At the very least, test it in the courts and see what happens. Supposedly there's a law that can lower any federal employees salary to $1. I want a judge to say that the Judicial Branch now gets to say who can work for the Executive Branch and how much they are to be paid. Just to see if they can keep a straight face.

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 07:41 AM (clmv9)

284 I truly believe alot of this Deep State shit could be worked out if we could just de-centralize shit away from DC. Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 12:39 PM (AuISE) --------------------------------- To Pueblo, Colorado and West Virginia. Particularly West Virginia.

Posted by: Robert Bird at February 28, 2017 07:41 AM (SsblQ)

285
Big Deal, Conway sat down for 2 secs to snap a pic and to get out of the way.  Really, who gives a crap.  The shutter speed of cameras is so fast everybody is caught seemingly doing something weird when its normal human action.

Obama with his feet on the Resolute Desk anyone?  Hello?  Bueller?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 28, 2017 07:41 AM (ODxAs)

286 @241 You're correct, of course. The only flaw in your suggestion is that it supposes that government has an interest in representing districts or people. Decades of gerrymandering by both sides verifies that this is not the case. Of course, even in gerrymandered districts, voters could actually ( in theory, discounting the "non-existent" fraud, etc.) stop voting for people who haven't actually resided in their districts for decades and are utter imbeciles. So, the bigger problem: people don't give a shit. They are only interested in celebrity gossip and reality shows. When you realize that government sole purpose has become a social safety net for otherwise unemployable radicals of all stripes, it all makes sense.

Posted by: Damiano at February 28, 2017 07:41 AM (71OEY)

287 278 I truly believe alot of this Deep State shit could be worked out if we could just de-centralize shit away from DC. Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 12:39 PM (AuISE) Like moving, say, the Department of Agriculture to Iowa or something, and the Department of Veterans Affairs to, say, Oklahoma? I mean, it's possible. But I don't know how much would really change. I could also see President Chelsea Clinton (or whomever) then moving everything to California, MA, NY, and DC as retribution haha.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 07:41 AM (wmaTe)

288 Trump ran his mouth before the election about how Bush deliberately lied to get us into war in Iraq. So I can understand why Bush isn't exactly friendly to the new administration, his 8 years of silence notwithstanding. Yeah, because Obama was totally nice to Bush and never once bashed him on Iraq or every single other conceivable topic imaginable by mankind, blaming him for every ill. That dog don't hunt, Muse.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 07:41 AM (39g3+)

289 They probably tricked her into waiting for the first female president to make her replacement appointment. --- Now i'm wondering which of their mishes tasted manmeat more recently. How do i get THAT thought out of my skull?

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 28, 2017 07:42 AM (PNcou)

290 6 VDH has a great piece on Trump and his cabinet appointments vs his naysayers up on NRO as welll. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 11:50 AM (39g3+) Great tip for VDH article.....READ IT!

Posted by: john doesky at February 28, 2017 07:42 AM (7GvGz)

291 Or George Soros. Alas...

Posted by: JEM at February 28, 2017 07:43 AM (TppKb)

292 Stripping the EPA of about $2billion in budget and 3,000 employees sounds like a good start to me. The president is also reportedly looking at DOS now.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 28, 2017 07:43 AM (gjdGN)

293 The really depressing part of all this is how Price, who lateraled over from the CIA to the White House, self-importantly described himself as "an intelligence officer" as he performed his indignant flounce out the door.

Well, no. The fellow was a perfectly ordinary Beltway public relations flack. The device he made the most frequent use of was not some lethal little Q Branch surprise, but a Rolodex.

However, predictably, the wing of the Democratic Party which we call "the media" bit down hook, line, and sinker.

And represented this minor apparatchik as being a career master spy. Whose resignation, brought about by his staunchly unvarying dedication to nonpartisan government service, constituted a huge blow to national security.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 07:43 AM (noWW6)

294 Funny how Obama and Hillary did FAR worse with that sort of rhetoric and they get backslaps, medals and tacit endorsements from the Bush family. Trump killed the Bush dynasty, and that is what they are most mad about. Exposed them for the frauds they are. Posted by: Maritime You can bet your ass that ANYTHING that George P Bush runs for in Texas will NOT get my vote.

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:43 AM (QFqpA)

295 273 What most people don't understand or care to acknowledge is that Democrats don't want to govern, they want to rule. Dr. of Common Sense delivers a very good tutorial on how to deal with donkeycrats: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fmm4FPLTqZA (you have to get past the rosie o'donnell intro for the commiecrat management lesson)

Posted by: kallisto at February 28, 2017 07:44 AM (nNdYv)

296 "Rumana Ahmed, and his deputy, Ned Price, are squeezed behind desks, which face a large television screen, from which CNN blares nonstop."

I though airports were the only places CNN blared non-stop.  I guess Outer Party members can't turn off the tele-screen in their offices either.

Posted by: Ripley at February 28, 2017 07:44 AM (1BQGO)

297 Could not be more excited about Trump taking out the Booshes and their syndicate. It needed to be done. They did nothing to conserve America and American Citizens

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 07:44 AM (ksj3z)

298 Trump was openly anti Iraq war even before Hillary voted for it.

Posted by: davidt at February 28, 2017 07:44 AM (XoldI)

299 Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 28, 2017 12:38 PM (SRKgf) Yes.Some people adjust to retirement fairly and are happy picking up hobbies, doing stuff around the house, looking after grandchildren or helping out worthy causes-Meals on wheels, food pantries, etc. However, there are others who have a really hard time and don't adjust well to not having an accustomed routine and being useful in gainful employment. I don't find it hard at all to see why people hang on.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 07:44 AM (fDdVG)

300 Simply shutting down entire departments, and giving their powers back to the States would help a lot. Now you watch ... let's say Trump shuts down a sub-department. Say ... some section of the Dept of Ed. I'll bet good money that somebody goes to the 9th Circuit and gets an emergency stay on that. Repeal ObamaCare ? 9th Circuit. Restraining order blocking implementation. Anyone care to disagree ?

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 07:44 AM (AuISE)

301 Trump ran his mouth before the election about how Bush deliberately lied to get us into war in Iraq. So I can understand why Bush isn't exactly friendly to the new administration, his 8 years of silence notwithstanding. It was the single most ill-advised opinion Trump could ever voice publicly. All it did was piss off a potential friend and ally, and for what? But he's president now, so I guess it all worked out. Posted by: OregonMuse at February 28, 2017 12:33 PM (WwTKJ) --------------------------------------------------------- 1. It was true what Trump said about Bush. 2. Bush is not an ally to Trump 3. Bush is a big flaming Globalist, perhaps only eclipsed by Tony Blair....see why they got along so well.

Posted by: William Eaton at February 28, 2017 07:44 AM (MuTTO)

302 It's hard for some people to let go of something they've done all their working lives, and that to some extent defines who they are.
Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 28, 2017 12:38 PM (SRKgf)


If I hadn't been laid off, I'd still be working even now, instead of being retired for over a year.

Unfortunately, the job market for minimally qualified computer support techs over the age of 55 is a lot smaller than you might think.

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 28, 2017 07:45 AM (WwTKJ)

303 Chinagate back in the 90's had Chinese friends of the Clintons make off with the crown jewels of our multiple warhead nuke program yet MonicaGate and "just a little sex" was the squirrel the media chased ... on command, I'd skeptically presume.

Hillary's private server also was downplayed and allowed China, Russia, Israel (allegedly) to gain access to top secret things, if they didn't already have them from the Weiners.  Maybe Hilda was just avoiding FOIA requests, but maybe she took big money to spread the secrets around.

The alt-media is now revealing these things more broadly, and the various "journolisters" have obviously built a broader army of resistance the has burrowed deep inside not just government offices, but media and finance and 100 destabilizing groups like those Soros funds to cause chaos.

War.

Posted by: illiniwek at February 28, 2017 07:45 AM (YMJtx)

304 The Daily Mail has a whole host of pictures with TFG with his feet on the desk....

Posted by: JoeF. at February 28, 2017 07:45 AM (7uYFy)

305 Just took a little jaunt through the internet ... The hate is unbelievable... Every "story" was a hit piece on Trump or people in His administration.... Never seen anything like it...

Posted by: It's me donna at February 28, 2017 07:45 AM (O2RFr)

306 Wrote 2.5 pages and finished Chapter 29, for all those who care. Which is no one. I'm talking to myself.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 07:45 AM (vur0q)

307 "It's revenge for defeating Jeb."

Please clap.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 07:45 AM (noWW6)

308 So it is what we knew it was- a partisan hit job.

Posted by: Tilikum KAW at February 28, 2017 07:46 AM (m3iiU)

309 "It's revenge for defeating Jeb." ----- Bullshit. Jeb was not going to win shit.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 07:46 AM (8XRCm)

310 307 "It's revenge for defeating Jeb." Please clap. Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 12:45 PM (noWW6) ==================== He'll always be Mr. Missed a Belt Buckle to me.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 07:46 AM (vur0q)

311 >>>Big Deal, Conway sat down for 2 secs to snap a pic and to get out of the way. Really, who gives a crap.<<<

I'm pretty sure Barack Obama has sullied the fabric of that couch with worse things than his high heels.

Posted by: Fritz at February 28, 2017 07:46 AM (2Mnv1)

312 309 Bullshit. Jeb was not going to win shit. Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 12:46 PM (8XRCm) =================== "There's no way it was that obvious from the beginning, was it?" -$150 million

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 07:47 AM (vur0q)

313 Ben Rhodes was an English major and speech writer from NYU. He had zero national security experience. None. That alone should tell you exactly what was going on in Obama's White House. This had nothing to do with our nations security. It was more about using that apparatus to undermine the entire republic and change it based on their personal Vision. And most of the state went along with that. Think about that for a minute. It was and remains a treasonous attempt at a liberal coup.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 28, 2017 07:47 AM (gjdGN)

314 1. It was true what Trump said about Bush.
2. Bush is not an ally to Trump
3. Bush is a big flaming Globalist, perhaps only eclipsed by Tony Blair....see why they got along so well.
Posted by: William Eaton at February 28, 2017 12:44 PM (MuTTO)


I vigorously dispute 1. 2 is a maybe, and I agree with you on 3. Still, I think it would be better to have someone like Bush silent rather than actively against you, which is the only result that Trump got out of running his mouth. But his giant flaming ego doesn't know when to shut up.

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 28, 2017 07:48 AM (WwTKJ)

315 313 Ben Rhodes was an English major and speech writer from NYU. He had zero national security experience. None. That alone should tell you exactly what was going on in Obama's White House. This had nothing to do with our nations security. It was more about using that apparatus to undermine the entire republic and change it based on their personal Vision. And most of the state went along with that. Think about that for a minute. It was and remains a treasonous attempt at a liberal coup. Posted by: Marcus T at February 28, 2017 12:47 PM (gjdGN) ==================== I was an English major. Maybe I, too, could run an intelligence agency one day.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 07:48 AM (vur0q)

316 Leonardo DiCaprio flew eyebrow artist 7,500 miles to do his brows for the Oscars Posted by: EVLINC! at February 28, 2017 11:51 AM (y3aQB) But the fuel and emissions don't count for him being a liberal. Just like Al Gore

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 28, 2017 07:48 AM (493sH)

317 "Trump ran his mouth before the election about how Bush deliberately lied to get us into war in Iraq."

Let's recall that also before the election, Bush himself made some comments which made clear his own powerful distaste for Trump. He didn't hold off on his broadside until Trump had secured a victory.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 07:48 AM (noWW6)

318 Want to move Congress out of DC. Sign the petition: http://tinyurl.com/h54qec9

Posted by: Ok at February 28, 2017 07:48 AM (K2SnJ)

319 Never seen anything like it... I think there are 3 reasons for it. 1) They are freaking out and insane with horror that their side lost, being mostly snowflakes raised to always win. 2) They want to discredit and legitimize Trump so congress won't work with him. 3) They want to prevent the cultural shift that accompanies every presidential election from taking place. Seriously, the nation changes to reflect the new president to a significant degree, and they want to stop that at all costs.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 07:49 AM (39g3+)

320 >>1. It was true what Trump said about Bush. No, it was not true. Regardless of what people now think of the Iraq war, and clearly many people have changed their minds because at the time support for the war was overwhelming, Bush did not lie to get us into war.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 07:49 AM (/tuJf)

321 Now you watch ... let's say Trump shuts down a sub-department. Say ... some section of the Dept of Ed. I'll bet good money that somebody goes to the 9th Circuit and gets an emergency stay on that. Repeal ObamaCare ? 9th Circuit. Restraining order blocking implementation. Anyone care to disagree ? Posted by: ScoggDog ____ of course, that is why the Scalia seat was so important. Had Hillary put a few more judges on the Supreme Court, it wouldn't matter what laws were passed anymore. they would all be struck down. In CA, the people passed a Constitutional Amendment against gay marriage and the state judges struck that down.

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 07:49 AM (clmv9)

322 Literally one unaccountable 24 year old can shut down a huge job site, or impose huge fines on someone, or I mean -- anything. They have near limitless power. And the only "check" on them is their co-workers posing as judges. Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 12:30 PM (wmaTe) It's genuinely a wonder to me that these people don't end up in shallow graves. I'm not joking. Don't warm up the banhammer. Not advocating violence. Just saying that in the face of a government which does not provide justice and even application of its laws, and the unaccountable nature of these even low level bureaucrats--and giant piles of money in play--human nature suggests certain alternate routes around the problem. It's surprising to me that it doesn't seem to happen very often. That's a good thing, no doubt, but it does seem like something has to give at some point--either we return to a nation of laws, or we fully embrace the lawlessness.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 28, 2017 07:49 AM (yL25O)

323 You'd have to be a very "low information" kind of person to not see through stunts like this, and I think those people are few and far between. The vast majority of the people who say they believe the press is honest know very well that's not the case, and are just carrying water for "the cause." Posted by: Agent Cooper at February 28, 2017 12:33 PM (1zARK) I'm kind of amazed at how many people still believe the crap on CNN or the rest of the MFM. Maybe it's a willful ignorance or just stupidity.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 28, 2017 07:50 AM (493sH)

324 316 But the fuel and emissions don't count for him being a liberal. Just like Al Gore Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 28, 2017 12:48 PM (493sH) ====================== It's in the Climate Change Warrior oath: "I pledge my life, my treasure, and my liberty to the advancement of preventing climate change, unless I become sufficiently wealthy and/or famous to which I am allowed to do whatever I want."

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 07:50 AM (vur0q)

325 Still shocked nobody got the reason why the KAC picture was leaked and went viral. Has everything to do with sex (the act) and race. Nobody will say it, but this is scratching the roofs of their mouths. Very degrading on all fronts. Makes Trump look like a pimp/porn director. Makes KAC look like you know what. Makes black people look like you know what. This has NOTHING to do with feet on the couch. That is not the message being sent here.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 07:50 AM (ksj3z)

326 the administrative procedures act is unconstitutional I don't care what the supreme court said and fuck every gop congress sideways with a flaming pineapple for conveniently forgetting that the congressional review act is a thing unless they want to remember to get reelected and by the by congress can repeal that apa any single moment it wants and i'm going to have a stroke now arrrggghh

Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 28, 2017 12:33 PM


*swoons (in a very manly way)*

Posted by: RedMindBlueState[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at February 28, 2017 07:50 AM (p+Wdc)

327 ">>Rainman's gonna freak out. Wait until he sees the Carrots in his chili." Rainman's from Cincinnati. He's had freakier things in his chili -- like chocolate and cinnamon.

Posted by: Robert Crawford at February 28, 2017 07:50 AM (93F57)

328 Yeah, because Obama was totally nice to Bush and never once bashed him on Iraq or every single other conceivable topic imaginable by mankind, blaming him for every ill.
That dog don't hunt, Muse.
Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 12:41 PM (39g3+)


So you think it's good policy to walk up to a sleeping dog and poke him repeatedly with a stick?

I still think it was one of Trump's unforced errors.

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 28, 2017 07:52 AM (WwTKJ)

329 He'll always be Mr. Missed a Belt Buckle to me. Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 12:46 PM (vur0q) On Tiptoe.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 28, 2017 07:52 AM (yL25O)

330 Trump killed the Bush dynasty, and that is what they are most mad about. Exposed them for the frauds they are.

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 12:38 PM (clmv9)


Yep. Criticizing W's policies is just politics, but sticking it up Jeb's ass, that tore it.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:53 AM (SRKgf)

331 He's had freakier things in his chili -- like chocolate and cinnamon. Posted by: Robert Crawford at February 28, 2017 12:50 PM (93F57) ------ SKYLINE CHILI FOR THE WIN!!!! ....well.... not really "win". That stuff sucked. It.is.awful.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 07:53 AM (8XRCm)

332 In CA, the people passed a Constitutional Amendment against gay marriage and the state judges struck that down. Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 12:49 PM (clmv9) One judge, IIRC, who is himself a turd-burglar.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 28, 2017 07:53 AM (WDdjT)

333 This has NOTHING to do with feet on the couch. That is not the message being sent here. Damn it ... I never get these kind of visual allusions. Friggin' literal brain. *kicks dirt*

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 07:53 AM (AuISE)

334 "Leonardo DiCaprio flew eyebrow artist 7,500 miles to do his brows for the Oscars

Posted by: EVLINC!"

Yes but he is working  to reduce YOUR carbon emissions so it all balances out and makes him an environmentalist hero.

Posted by: Ripley at February 28, 2017 07:54 AM (1BQGO)

335 Alexandria was a big port. Apprently it was the law that any visiting ships and travelers had to surrender all of their books to be copied by the scribes of the library. They'd be given back after a time, but not before their contents were added to the library. And IIRC, sometimes, if the book was particularly rare, the Alexandrian scribes would give back the copy they'd made, keeping the original as their own. If anyone complained, the scribes essentially said, "you feel lucky, punk? Go complain to the pharaoh."

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 28, 2017 07:54 AM (X6fMO)

336 Hillary's private server also was downplayed and allowed China, Russia, Israel (allegedly) to gain access to top secret things, if they didn't already have them from the Weiners. Maybe Hilda was just avoiding FOIA requests, but maybe she took big money to spread the secrets around. The alt-media is now revealing these things more broadly, and the various "journolisters" have obviously built a broader army of resistance the has burrowed deep inside not just government offices, but media and finance and 100 destabilizing groups like those Soros funds to cause chaos. War. Posted by: illiniwek at February 28, 2017 12:45 PM (YMJtx) You better believe the Muslim Brotherhood has all those 650k emails after the successful infiltration of those 3 hackers Who are Muslim. Also do not forget that 19 people used Gmail accounts attached to the Clinton Email and Crime Syndicate. All 19 should be in Guantanamo.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 07:54 AM (ksj3z)

337 "....well.... not really "win". That stuff sucked. It.is.awful. Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 12:53 PM (8XRCm) " FITE ME IN THE OCTAGON BRUH!!

Posted by: broseidon being a capitalist pigdog (yknow, working) at February 28, 2017 07:55 AM (oZ6kz)

338 In CA, the people passed a Constitutional Amendment against gay marriage and the state judges struck that down. Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 12:49 PM (clmv9) One judge, IIRC, who is himself a turd-burglar. Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at February 28, 2017 12:53 PM (WDdjT) And there is democracy at work for you unless a judge has a differing personal opinion.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 28, 2017 07:55 AM (493sH)

339 Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 12:50 PM (ksj3z) I said that she was being Palinized, which if you read things from the tolerant lef.t Palin was spoken off in very a degrading fashion, "I want to put my hand over her mouth while I f her on an American flag and read the Constitution to her." So, yes, I on't know about the pimp stuff but there is nothing to low for the left. The photographer ought to be hounded about why he hates and degrades women.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 07:55 AM (fDdVG)

340 But the fuel and emissions don't count for him being a liberal. Just like Al Gore Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 28, 2017 12:48 PM (493sH) Simple explanation: Private airplanes owned by liberals do not emit CO2 in flight! It's settled science!

Posted by: Hrothgar [/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 28, 2017 07:55 AM (UDXti)

341 No, it was not true. Regardless of what people now think of the Iraq war, and clearly many people have changed their minds because at the time support for the war was overwhelming, Bush did not lie to get us into war. Posted by: JackStraw ______ I'm not so sure, maybe it was just willful blindness or incompetence, but the Bush Administration was saying things like the Iraq War was going to cost $50 billion and it ended up being trillions and trillions of dollars. Surely people that know better had to know a full blown invasion was going to cost more than that. I also think they very mush over stated the case that Iraq was a real danger to the US homeland and made connections to 9/11 that just weren't there.

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 07:55 AM (clmv9)

342 "....well.... not really "win". That stuff sucked. It.is.awful. Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 12:53 PM (8XRCm) " FITE ME IN THE OCTAGON BRUH!! Posted by: broseidon being a capitalist pigdog (yknow, working) at February 28, 2017 12:55 PM (oZ6kz) ----- ....please??

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 07:55 AM (8XRCm)

343 ...Bush did not lie to get us into war.... Bush told the truth. But not the whole truth. The causes of the war were Sadam playing footsie with the Euro and Bush's personal animosity and ambitions. Proven by the fact that Bush didn't care what Turkey thought and wasn't going to wait on Tony Blair. Blair had to hurry to get into the war at all.

Posted by: Ok at February 28, 2017 07:56 AM (K2SnJ)

344 So you think it's good policy to walk up to a sleeping dog and poke him repeatedly with a stick? Repeatedly? He made a couple cracks compared to President Obama continually hammering Bush for ten straight years on Iraq and every single other conceivable policy. Bush smiles and shrugs for the entire time, saying nothing. This is like pointing at a kid that threw a dirt clod at your car while ignoring the guy with the AK47 that shot it 4000 times.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 07:56 AM (39g3+)

345 what JackStraw said. Bush didn't lie. Saddam Hussein lied (to scare away the Iranians iirc) and he shut out the U.N. to bolster that lie. And then various Iraqi exiles, for their own reasons, convinced Bush that Saddam was telling the truth. Bush was a lot of things, and has earned his throne in history next to Herbert Hoover, but he didn't lie.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 28, 2017 07:56 AM (0SnRR)

346 176 One wonders if the job she was applying for was actually "secretary" or "political spy." Posted by: ace at February 28, 2017 12:15 PM (8rNrN Muslim Brotherhood spy as well (is that political or treasonous?). Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 12:19 PM (ksj3z) ----------------- I'm tired of hearing of this woman! When she goes through all the shit I went through for Allah, then she can talk.

Posted by: Huma at February 28, 2017 07:56 AM (3OAG2)

347 Blair had to hurry to get into the war at al Yeah, it was such a rush it took almost a year to get into Iraq. So fast! So much leftist nonsense bought into by people here that really should know better. Its like people just ate Michael Moore shoes and all on the topic.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 07:57 AM (39g3+)

348 The president is also reportedly looking at DOS now.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 28, 2017 12:43 PM (gjdGN)


They're going back to DOS? Not even Win 98?


(What is DOS?)

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 07:57 AM (SRKgf)

349 "In CA, the people passed a Constitutional Amendment against gay marriage and the state judges struck that down."

Federal judge.

Who was himself gay, and who was intending to marry his homosexual partner, and who should perforce have recused himself in the matter.

Put on the bench originally by Poppy Bush.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 07:57 AM (noWW6)

350 Yo!

Posted by: Yo! at February 28, 2017 07:58 AM (GwIKd)

351 348 The president is also reportedly looking at DOS now. Posted by: Marcus T at February 28, 2017 12:43 PM (gjdGN) They're going back to DOS? Not even Win 98? (What is DOS?) Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 28, 2017 12:57 PM (SRKgf) Every thread eventually becomes an old computer thread.

Posted by: josephistan at February 28, 2017 07:58 AM (7HtZB)

352 I vigorously dispute 1. 2 is a maybe, and I agree with you on 3. Still, I think it would be better to have someone like Bush silent rather than actively against you, which is the only result that Trump got out of running his mouth. But his giant flaming ego doesn't know when to shut up. Posted by: OregonMuse at February 28, 2017 12:48 PM (WwTKJ) ------------------------------------------------------------ Bush said the war was about weapons of mass destruction, but in truth it was about spreading Democracy in the Islamic world. Many of Bush's advisers and allies like Paul Wolfowitz, Bill Kristol, Robert Kagan belonged to PNAC which was promoting democracy in Iraq and throughout the world back in the 1990s. Their logic was that Terrorism would be defeated by Democracy in the Islamic World. All it did was prove a majority of Muslims in that part of the world are in favor of many of the end goals of Jihadists.

Posted by: William Eaton at February 28, 2017 07:58 AM (MuTTO)

353 In CA, the people passed a Constitutional Amendment against gay marriage and the state judges struck that down. ----- Ive always marveled at how a newly added part of THE FRICKING CONSTITUTION CAN BE UNCONSTITUTIONAL??? ITS PART OF THE DAMN CONSTITUTION!

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 07:59 AM (8XRCm)

354 339 Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 12:50 PM (ksj3z) I said that she was being Palinized, which if you read things from the tolerant lef.t Palin was spoken off in very a degrading fashion, "I want to put my hand over her mouth while I f her on an American flag and read the Constitution to her." So, yes, I on't know about the pimp stuff but there is nothing to low for the left. The photographer ought to be hounded about why he hates and degrades women. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 12:55 PM (fDdVG Yep. The message from the picture sends a different message when viewed from the eyes of the Left. I never dug too deeply on what the degenerate left was saying about Palin, but these days nothing would shock me.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 07:59 AM (ksj3z)

355 And then various Iraqi exiles, for their own reasons, convinced Bush that Saddam was telling the truth. And the UN knew that Hussein had tons of chemical weapons and stuff from Desert Storm, because it had all been documented. And we know that Syria got a huge stockpile from Iraq and used them on their own people. And the army kept finding small caches of weapons but for some godawful reason Bush kept that quiet. And they found hundreds of tons of yellowcake uranium that jackwagon Wilson claimed never was purchased. And on and on.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 07:59 AM (39g3+)

356 I wonder what ValJar, Brennan, et al are up to? Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 28, 2017 12:01 PM (PY9jH) Should be 20 to life

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 28, 2017 07:59 AM (493sH)

357 "They're going back to DOS?"

CP/M FTW.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 07:59 AM (noWW6)

358 Now you watch ... let's say Trump shuts down a sub-department. Say ... some section of the Dept of Ed. I'll bet good money that somebody goes to the 9th Circuit and gets an emergency stay on that. Repeal ObamaCare ? 9th Circuit. Restraining order blocking implementation. Anyone care to disagree ? Posted by: ScoggDog I think they would have to file.in DC

Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 07:59 AM (zZb/S)

359 So you think it's good policy to walk up to a sleeping dog and poke him repeatedly with a stick? I still think it was one of Trump's unforced errors. Posted by: OregonMuse ______ maybe it had something to do with Trump winning states a Republican hasn't in won in like 30 years with large amounts of Democrats crossing over? Every other Republicans was so scared to call out some of the Neocon idiocy, maybe that won some traditional non-Republicans voters over

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 08:00 AM (clmv9)

360 Kelly Anne taking a pic with a personal camera from an advantageous spot. BO taking selfies at a funeral.

Posted by: gapoz at February 28, 2017 08:00 AM (thyJJ)

361 Bush said the war was about weapons of mass destruction, but in truth it was about spreading Democracy in the Islamic world. I think this about sums it up.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 08:00 AM (AuISE)

362 Anyone care to disagree ? Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 12:44 PM (AuISE) Unaccountable dress-wearing rulers with a lifetime sinecure and deference to their high status are the very bedrock of a Constitutional Republic!

Posted by: Hrothgar [/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 28, 2017 08:00 AM (UDXti)

363 You better believe the Muslim Brotherhood has all those 650k emails after the successful infiltration of those 3 hackers Who are Muslim.


We don't say "Muslim" any more. The preferred term is "people of terror."

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 08:00 AM (SRKgf)

364 I think they would have to file.in DC Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 12:59 PM (zZb/S) Where have you been the last 8 years?

Posted by: golfman at February 28, 2017 08:00 AM (k0S3A)

365 Pres. Trump just finished lunch with the press. I saw Blitzer, Snuffy and Chucky Todd in the group. That must have been fun

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 28, 2017 08:01 AM (493sH)

366 So much leftist nonsense bought into by people here that really should know better. Its like people just ate Michael Moore shoes and all on the topic. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 12:57 PM (39g3+) How's your corks n' forks supply holding out?

Posted by: JuJuBee at February 28, 2017 08:01 AM (dargh)

367 BO taking selfies at a funeral. Posted by: gapoz at February 28, 2017 01:00 PM (thyJJ) ------ With a HOT blond. Sitting NEXT to Whorf.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 08:01 AM (8XRCm)

368 re Alexandria, you know what the Greeks there didn't copy or read? Egyptian literature, that's what. I have a soft spot for Ptolemy VIII Physcon. centuries of Greeks sneering at the Copts for being bumpkins, and Ptolemy just upped and told them, you know what, you don't like Egyptians, gtfo of Egypt.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 28, 2017 08:01 AM (DeO5Y)

369 361 Bush said the war was about weapons of mass destruction, but in truth it was about spreading Democracy in the Islamic world.

I think this about sums it up.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 01:00 PM (AuISE)


Globalists.

Posted by: davidt at February 28, 2017 08:02 AM (XoldI)

370 I also think they very mush over stated the case that Iraq was a real danger to the US homeland and made connections to 9/11 that just weren't there. Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 12:55 PM (clmv9) I frankly believe that the left (accidentally) stumbled on to the real reason for the Iraq war: oil. And not in the 'blood for oil' sense but in the "we can't let this rogue douchebag control so much oil. He could really upset the oil-dollar system which would crash the US economy. And our asshole "allies" in Europe are helping him cheat sanctions with corrupt oil-for-food programs and Iraqi oil being shipped out via intermediaries on to the world market..." I don't know that Bush himself had all of those thoughts, but that's why the intelligensia was advocating for war with Iraq since Desert Storm ended at the border. The war drums started during Clintons administration, not Bush's.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 08:02 AM (wmaTe)

371 In fact, somebody should find out who the photographer is and I'll be the first to send him a e-mail if somebody already hasn't (and yes, I looked at the photo)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 08:02 AM (fDdVG)

372 ...gain access to top secret things... I suspect Hillary was selling information. Bill sold Los Alomos secrets to China and covered it up with a fire. Hillary could collect money and then just put it on her server. Hillary out did Bill. The climate scam. People emit CO2. Therefore the UN could put a tax on people. That is why they sen EPA agents after cows. At some point they would use the cows as precedent because they are lawyers.

Posted by: Ok at February 28, 2017 08:02 AM (K2SnJ)

373 >>Blair had to hurry to get into the war You'd fight against Acid Rain if your hair turned green, too!

Posted by: Blair at February 28, 2017 08:02 AM (oXKWd)

374 Bush said the war was about weapons of mass destruction, but in truth it was about spreading Democracy in the Islamic world. Yet another idiotic leftist lie swallowed feathers and all by people who should know better. Good lord people it wasn't that long ago. The resultion had a dozen different reasons to invade of which WMD was only one. The rest were things like "violating a cease fire for over a dozen years" "genocide against his own people" "harboring, training, and funding terrorism" and so on.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 08:02 AM (39g3+)

375 DoS= Department of State.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 28, 2017 08:02 AM (gjdGN)

376 352 I vigorously dispute 1. 2 is a maybe, and I agree with you on 3. Still, I think it would be better to have someone like Bush silent rather than actively against you, which is the only result that Trump got out of running his mouth. But his giant flaming ego doesn't know when to shut up. Posted by: OregonMuse at February 28, 2017 12:48 PM (WwTKJ) ------------------------------------------------------------ Bush said the war was about weapons of mass destruction, but in truth it was about spreading Democracy in the Islamic world. Many of Bush's advisers and allies like Paul Wolfowitz, Bill Kristol, Robert Kagan belonged to PNAC which was promoting democracy in Iraq and throughout the world back in the 1990s. Their logic was that Terrorism would be defeated by Democracy in the Islamic World. All it did was prove a majority of Muslims in that part of the world are in favor of many of the end goals of Jihadists. Posted by: William Eaton at February 28, 2017 12:58 PM ( Don't forget person profit. This became obvious and snowballed out of control after WWII. I'd place the date point where things got sloppy with Iran Contra and Mena Arkansas.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 08:03 AM (ksj3z)

377 Oh, yeah, and the idiotic idea about spreading "democracy" also played in to it, sure. Lots of secondary and tertiary reasons, no doubt.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 08:03 AM (wmaTe)

378 Bush said the war was about weapons of mass destruction, but in truth it was about spreading Democracy in the Islamic world. I think this about sums it up. Posted by: ScoggDog Yep, nation building. If it really was about WMDs, why didn't we invade North Korea? Or Pakistan? Hell, Pakistan was actually testing out nuclear weapons and housing Bin Laden (which everyone knew) but we invaded Iraq over mustard gas?

Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 08:03 AM (clmv9)

379 I have a soft spot for Ptolemy VIII Physcon. centuries of Greeks sneering at the Copts for being bumpkins, and Ptolemy just upped and told them, you know what, you don't like Egyptians, gtfo of Egypt. Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 28, 2017 01:01 PM (DeO5Y) Was he the one married to Cleopatra?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 28, 2017 08:03 AM (493sH)

380 Bush explifies the saying "toot your horn, or someone will piss in it.". Far to modest a man for the bully pulpit.

Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 08:03 AM (zZb/S)

381 The malfeasance of CA state officials in a voter-approved proposition was Prop 189. The measure which passed which would have denied public services to illegal aliens.

That one was of course struck down by the black-robed radicals, and it wasn't clear what its prospects might be upon taking it further up the federal appellate ladder, with the terminus of that ladder being a SCOTUS containing Anthony Kennedy.

But, nevertheless, it would have been instructive, and good optics, to have continued to appeal the case, and who knows, a significant and lasting legal victory might have somehow been squeaked out.

Then Democrats put on a full-court press, and secured the Governor's mansion, and the first thing the new Governor did was announce that his administration wouldn't undertake to appeal the ruling striking down 189.

You thought that "public servants" had as their role to legally defend properly enacted laws approved by direct public vote? Regardless of their personal feelings or partisan inclinations? Nah bro.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 08:03 AM (noWW6)

382 This has NOTHING to do with feet on the couch. That is not the message being sent here.

Damn it ... I never get these kind of visual allusions. Friggin' literal brain.

*kicks dirt*
---

So you're immune to the liberal subtext.

I think that's a positive thing.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at February 28, 2017 08:03 AM (J5mC3)

383 >>I also think they very mush over stated the case that Iraq was a real danger to the US homeland and made connections to 9/11 that just weren't there. I honestly don't remember the connections to 9/11 as being anything other than incidental. I do remember that Saddam was harboring terrorists including one of the indicted conspirators of the WTC bombing in 93 and even allowed terror training camps in Iraq. I do remember that he was funding terrorists in Israel and paying the families of suicide bombers. I also remember that Saddam was actively firing on our planes and flaunting virtually every single part of the Cease Fire agreement that allowed him to not only not be tits up but still in power. All of this was happening under the overall atmosphere of not just 9/11 but also things like anthrax powder being sent to random people on a seemingly daily basis. Maybe it's me because I was really focused on terror attacks dating back to the bombing of the Marine barracks and all the attacks during the Clinton years that basically were ignored but we were clearly playing defense and under threat from more attacks at the time and there was zero doubt that Saddam was a serious player in both terror and destabilizing the Middle East. He should have been gone during the first war, had to go eventually.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 08:04 AM (/tuJf)

384 Clinton sold missle tech to china too

Posted by: Yo! at February 28, 2017 08:04 AM (GwIKd)

385 I don't know that Bush himself had all of those thoughts, but that's why the intelligensia was advocating for war with Iraq since Desert Storm ended at the border. The war drums started during Clintons administration, not Bush's. Yeah there had been a push since the 90s to deal with this Hussein guy for many, many different reasons. I have a file with quotes from every Democrat that later suddenly decided he was a great guy and attacking was a huge evil. Its so frustrating to me to hear the same idiotic lying crap from people here that we had to spend years fighting against from idiotic leftists and anti-war ANSWER activists. What the hell???

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 08:04 AM (39g3+)

386 I don't really like rehashing the Iraq War. It just seems to bring divisions between us here which we really don't need. How about a rousing round of War Between the States/Civil War/War of Northern Aggression?!! Ye-haw! :^(

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 08:05 AM (fDdVG)

387 386 I don't really like rehashing the Iraq War. It just seems to bring divisions between us here which we really don't need. How about a rousing round of War Between the States/Civil War/War of Northern Aggression?!! Ye-haw! :^( Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 01:05 PM (fDdVG) With a side of carrot chili.

Posted by: josephistan at February 28, 2017 08:06 AM (7HtZB)

388 So much leftist nonsense bought into by people here that really should know better. Its like people just ate Michael Moore shoes and all on the topic. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 12:57 PM (39g3+) ---------------------------------------------------- No one is denying that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, but so did North Korea, Iran, Pakistan, and a half dozen other dumps on this earth. Some of which were far more dangerous than Iraq, and have proven to be so since 2003. So why Iraq? Most of the Bush's advisers and friends felt that if democracy was spread throughout the Middle East it would destroy AQ and Jihadist groups. Also most of them felt Islam was not to blame for Terror, and that it was just something that was funded by dictators, etc. This is not a Michael Moore view at all. He thought Bush lied so he could get the oil, and get rich. It was nothing about oil or WMD, but Islamic Democracy.

Posted by: William Eaton at February 28, 2017 08:06 AM (MuTTO)

389 Was he the one married to Cleopatra? Posted by: TheQuietMan Who wasn't? AMMARITE? High V, bro~!

Posted by: Cleopatra's brother at February 28, 2017 08:07 AM (4YGWz)

390 there was zero doubt that Saddam was a serious player in both terror and destabilizing the Middle East. He should have been gone during the first war, had to go eventually. Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 01:04 PM (/tuJf) I think this is a point a lot of people miss. Al bloody Gore would have gone in too. Any globalist would have: from that perspective the invasion was a no-brainer.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 28, 2017 08:07 AM (CPk08)

391 So you're immune to the liberal subtext. I think that's a positive thing. Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at February 28, 2017 01:03 PM (J5mC3) That description fits me as well, I feel so much better about myself now!

Posted by: Hrothgar [/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 28, 2017 08:07 AM (UDXti)

392 Posted by: josephistan at February 28, 2017 01:06 PM (7HtZB) DON"T GO THERE!! ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 08:07 AM (fDdVG)

393 Bush said the war was about weapons of mass destruction, but in truth it was about spreading Democracy in the Islamic world. I think this about sums it up. Posted by: ScoggDog Yep, nation building. If it really was about WMDs, why didn't we invade North Korea? Or Pakistan? Hell, Pakistan was actually testing out nuclear weapons and housing Bin Laden (which everyone knew) but we invaded Iraq over mustard gas? Posted by: Maritime at February 28, 2017 01:03 PM (clmv9) Pappy Bush was all about the New World Order thang. I think that's the key to understanding W's time in the White House, he was the dutiful son. Doing the Vision Thing, without his daddy's gift for sounding silly about it.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2017 08:07 AM (TOk1P)

394 Yet another idiotic leftist lie swallowed feathers and all by people who should know better. You know ... you don't have to agree with what the man said ... but I've just about had a god damn enough of you and those like you constantly throwing out the implication that you're the only friggin' Keeper of Truth around here. You're not the only person packing around a little bit of knowledge. Someone believing something different does not make them a fucking "swallower of an idiotic leftist lie".

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 08:07 AM (AuISE)

395 There problem was they thought Islam is compatibe with democracy. Pro tip, after 1400 + years, survey still says no Turkey is unwinding Attaturk in less than 100 years

Posted by: Yo! at February 28, 2017 08:07 AM (GwIKd)

396 Bush said the war was about weapons of mass destruction, but in truth it was about spreading Democracy in the Islamic world. I think this about sums it up. ------ No... I think its a littel more... Stratego than that. Iran is the source for 90% of the ME's woes. Look at a map. A succesfull milatary operation in Afghanistan and a successful military operation in Iraq put Americas armed forces in two of Irans neighbors. That alot of leverage to use against THE state sponsor of terrorism. Iran tried like hell to push us OUT of Iran. Iran killed more soldiers that Iraq did. Im not saying this was Georges strategy, but Im betting that the thought was not alien to Cheney and Rumsfelds thinking.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 08:08 AM (8XRCm)

397 How about a rousing round of War Between the States/Civil War/War of Northern Aggression?!! Ye-haw! :^( Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 01:05 PM (fDdVG The War that raised DC out of the doo doo waste pit it had become to the shining beacon of criminality, grift, and graft.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 08:08 AM (ksj3z)

398 Its so frustrating to me to hear the same idiotic lying crap from people here that we had to spend years fighting against from idiotic leftists and anti-war ANSWER activists. What the hell??? Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 01:04 PM (39g3+) Eh, the leftists weren't completely wrong. The Iraq War was a complete fuckshow. And keep in mind that the "isolationist" party has traditionally been the R party. Pretty much every major war (until bush) was started under D presidents. Some avoidable, some not. But a lot of people like me who think the government is a mess at home think it's just as bad if not worse when it operates overseas. So I mean... yeah, not a big fan of the Iraq War. Or Afghanistan. Or Libya. Or how much of a pissing contest we're constantly engaged in with everyone overseas.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 08:08 AM (wmaTe)

399 It was nothing about oil or WMD, but Islamic Democracy. Posted by: William Eaton at February 28, 2017 01:06 PM (MuTTO) Right. The idea was that democracies make for healthy markets.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 28, 2017 08:08 AM (CPk08)

400 well, lots of the later Ptolemies married Cleopatras. inbreeding was a thing over there. some of them did get around to boffing high placed Copts, especially after they pissed off (or *ran* off) the Greeks.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 28, 2017 08:08 AM (DeO5Y)

401 So we go from the Obama echo chamber and subterfuge by his remaining staff to the Iraq War? Sounds like a diversion to me. It is also off topic.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 28, 2017 08:08 AM (gjdGN)

402 >>I also remember that Saddam was actively firing on our planes and flaunting virtually every single part of the Cease Fire agreement that allowed him to not only not be tits up but still in power. Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 01:04 PM (/tuJf)

This. It's easy to forget in the clutter of other more high-profile matters, but Iraq was due for an ass-kicking due to a lot of other legitimate factors, and there was plenty of casus bellus beyond WMD. Also, strategery.

Posted by: General Zod at February 28, 2017 08:09 AM (Bdeb0)

403 Unfortunately, the job market for minimally qualified computer support techs over the age of 55 is a lot smaller than you might think. Posted by: OregonMuse at February 28, 2017 12:45 PM (WwTKJ) Its also very tight for overqualified Network Engineers, who don't speak the proper language of the company (the one that you need to actually speak to their overseas help desks). Just had another job opportunity go 'poof'... when they decided to outsource their SECURITY to folks who speak 'Urdu' as their native tongue... Because outsourcing Security to Foreigners has worked out sooooo well.

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 28, 2017 08:09 AM (NgKpN)

404 "Ben Rhodes was an English major and speech writer from NYU. He had zero national security experience. None. That alone should tell you exactly what was going on in Obama's White House."

Tom Donilon. Former Fannie Mae lawyer. Who trousered a huge pay package and walked away scot-free, not long before Fannie financially imploded and stuck the public with a huge rescue cost.

No prior natsec experience of any kind before being elevated to the NSC by Obama.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 08:09 AM (noWW6)

405 Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 01:08 PM (8XRCm) If we look at the world like The Great Game, maybe. But, also, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States are definitely bigger sponsors of terrorism than Iran. As an aside.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 08:09 AM (wmaTe)

406 So why Iraq? Well lets look! -Iraq's noncompliance with the conditions of the 1991 ceasefire agreement, including interference with U.N. weapons inspectors. -Iraq's alleged weapons of mass destruction, and programs to develop such weapons, posed a "threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region." -Iraq's "brutal repression of its civilian population." -Iraq's "capability and willingness to use weapons of mass destruction against other nations and its own people". -Iraq's hostility towards the United States as demonstrated by the 1993 assassination attempt on former President -George H. W. Bush and firing on coalition aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones following the 1991 Gulf War. -Members of Al-Qaeda, an organization bearing responsibility for attacks on the United States, its citizens, and interests, including the attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001, are known to be in Iraq. -Iraq's "continuing to aid and harbor other international terrorist organizations," including anti-United States terrorist organizations. -Iraq paid bounty to families of suicide bombers. -The efforts by the Congress and the President to fight terrorists, including the September 11, 2001 terrorists and those who aided or harbored them. -The authorization by the Constitution and the Congress for the President to fight anti-United States terrorism. -The governments in Turkey, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia feared Saddam and wanted him removed from power. -Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the policy of the United States was to remove the Saddam Hussein regime and promote a democratic replacement. Yes, one of the theories was to place Iran (one of the axis of terror states) between two stable democracies and cause their nation to reject tyranny. That was working so well that finally a revolt started up in Iran which President Obama did nothing to assist and ignored until it was destroyed. Even Libya gave up its weapons in the area. The idea was working, until traitors in the USA destroyed the effort and we elected a radical leftist Muslim sympathizer to destroy it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 08:10 AM (39g3+)

407 O/T (sort of because baseball is never really off topic) I just started listening to the first radio broadcast of the Nats spring training games. Ahhhh! How sweet it is!

Posted by: JTB at February 28, 2017 08:10 AM (V+03K)

408 But, also, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States are definitely bigger sponsors of terrorism than Iran. As an aside. Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 01:09 PM (wmaTe) ----- That statement is demostrably false.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 08:10 AM (8XRCm)

409 Could someone please post a picture of a busty and attractive woman to calm the men folks down?.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 08:11 AM (fDdVG)

410 (What is DOS?)

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara at February 28, 2017 12:57 PM (SRKgf)


Department of State?

A vintage operating system for PCs?

I honestly don't know.

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 28, 2017 08:11 AM (WwTKJ)

411 399 It was nothing about oil or WMD, but Islamic Democracy. Posted by: William Eaton at February 28, 2017 01:06 PM (MuTTO) Right. The idea was that democracies make for healthy markets. Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 28, 2017 01:08 PM (CPk0 somehow there is an Unhistoric and untrue belief in Washington DC... that Democracies do not go to war... Apparently they don't even know OUR History...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 28, 2017 08:11 AM (NgKpN)

412 "I don't really like rehashing the Iraq War. It just seems to bring divisions between us here which we really don't need." Yep. But then the Bushes need to keep quiet

Posted by: Ignoramus --The Handsome One at February 28, 2017 08:11 AM (SIY7D)

413 256 217 Alger Hiss ------- And Nixon outed and nailed that fucker. And the left never forgot. You think Watergate was about abuse of power and a break-in. It was about getting Dick for getting Alger Hiss. Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 12:27 PM (8XRCm) === Correct. It was common practice for JFK and others to engage in Watergate-like activity.

Posted by: Independent George at February 28, 2017 08:12 AM (BDZWU)

414 Iraq had nothing to do with WMD. WMD was a tool to get the Euros on board. Iraq II was pushed by the Saudis after Qusay emerged as heir. Uday they didn't care about. Qusay was competent, evil thug but competent. The House of Said did not want another dynasty with a claim to legitimacy in the Sunni world. They have enough issues with the Hashemites. Remember, the KSA dynasty is only two generations deep.

Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 08:12 AM (zZb/S)

415 156 >>>Read the article. She started as a political appointee and then at the end of Obama's term she applied for, and was granted, a civil service rating. not just that, but to do so, she went from a junior policy position -- which is a big thing, I guess, for a new hire -- to applying for a permanent position as a secretary. A job, obviously, with much less prestige and influence and future career prospects. So she was a new secretary, held over from the past president, surprised the new president wouldn't heed her wisdom. One wonders if the job she was applying for was actually "secretary" or "political spy." Posted by: ace at February 28, 2017 12:15 PM (8rNrN) As someone who had a politically appointed position, you wouldn't believe the number of people in those positions that think that the new administration will keep them on. They actually think that nothing can function properly without their wisdom and advice. Most of these people I wouldn't have trusted to give me directions to the bathroom down the hall.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper, aka MrCaniac at February 28, 2017 08:12 AM (1JnAL)

416 Looking back, I'm kind of seeing Bush as a Carter type.

Generally a nice person, but not the best person for really smart, informed decisions.

A parallel universe where Cheney was president would have been interesting.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at February 28, 2017 08:12 AM (J5mC3)

417 >>Iran is the source for 90% of the ME's woes. Look at a map. A succesfull milatary operation in Afghanistan and a successful military operation in Iraq put Americas armed forces in two of Irans neighbors. That alot of leverage to use against THE state sponsor of terrorism. Iran tried like hell to push us OUT of Iran. Iran killed more soldiers that Iraq did. >>Im not saying this was Georges strategy, but Im betting that the thought was not alien to Cheney and Rumsfelds thinking. I think that's exactly what they were thinking. They didn't just build our biggest embassy in the world in Iraq for shits and giggles, it was meant to be our strategic outpost for the Middle East. And it was Bill Clinton who first the Iraq Liberation Act in 1998 which called for regime change. It was US policy long before Bush it's just that Bubba never did squat to fight terror, he just talked about it.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 08:12 AM (/tuJf)

418 Eh, the leftists weren't completely wrong. The Iraq War was a complete fuckshow. They were totally wrong as for the reasons and problems. They were the problem. Iraq was working and doing what it was meant to until it was betrayed by unspeakably evil scumbag treason in our midst. The problem with Afghanistan and Iraq was not the attempt or the reasoning, but the fact that the American people now have no patience to make that long term of a project possible. We cannot engage in a WW2-style rebuilding of a nation into a stable democracy like we did with Japan any longer. Americans will not put up with it. That was the mistake. That was the flaw in the plan.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 08:12 AM (39g3+)

419 Post 9/11, we had a better pretext for invading Saudi Arabia than we did Iraq. At the time I said the occupation would be problematic (so did Brent Skowcroft channeling Bush 41 in a WSJ op-ed), Iraq would ultimately go the way of Yugoslavia and split into three, and that we'd embolden Iran. And I'm just an Ignoramus

Posted by: Ignoramus --The Handsome One at February 28, 2017 08:12 AM (SIY7D)

420 but if democracies go to war, you can point to the less democratic country and claim it as an exception.

Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 28, 2017 08:13 AM (DeO5Y)

421 somehow there is an Unhistoric and untrue belief in Washington DC... that Democracies do not go to war... Apparently they don't even know OUR History... Posted by: Don Quixote at February 28, 2017 01:11 PM (NgKpN) The thought was that democracies don't go to war against one another.

Posted by: josephistan at February 28, 2017 08:13 AM (7HtZB)

422 Iran tried like hell to push us OUT of Iran. Iran killed more soldiers that Iraq did. Im not saying this was Georges strategy, but Im betting that the thought was not alien to Cheney and Rumsfelds thinking. Posted by: fixerupper Considering that shiites run Iraq now, iran succeeded. Iran was openly running agents up and down iraq during Bush's last years. Some of the neo-con assholes got their panties in a bunch when the interim iraqi government rounded up a couple and shot them . Lookin' at you, Bill Quick.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at February 28, 2017 08:13 AM (4YGWz)

423 there was zero doubt that Saddam was a serious player in both terror and destabilizing the Middle East. He should have been gone during the first war, had to go eventually. The second Iraq war was a problem on many fronts. The casus belli was a house of cards, not even so conclusive as the fact that the Iraqis were shooting at our no-fly-zone patrols. The sanctions put into place after the first Gulf War were proving increasingly leaky and certain putative allies (why is it always the French?) wanted far greater trade with the regime. The occupation force structure and 'nation building' strategy was fatally flawed. I'm sure this list could go on for a ways.

Posted by: JEM at February 28, 2017 08:13 AM (TppKb)

424 unless They changed The Rules, it's relatively painless to fire a USG civil servant in the first year

Posted by: Billy Occam at February 28, 2017 08:13 AM (ihtYN)

425 But, also, Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States are definitely bigger sponsors of terrorism than Iran. As an aside. Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 01:09 PM (wmaTe) ****************** But--Iran is striving for nuclear weapons, and aligned with Syria that was near the capability before Operation Orchard--and both are "satellite" nations of Russia.

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 28, 2017 08:13 AM (fi5nC)

426 I have a soft spot for Ptolemy VIII Physcon. centuries of Greeks sneering at the Copts for being bumpkins, and Ptolemy just upped and told them, you know what, you don't like Egyptians, gtfo of Egypt. Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 28, 2017 01:01 PM (DeO5Y) Was he the one married to Cleopatra? Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 28, 2017 01:03 PM (493sH) He was married to Cleopatra II, his sister and reigned until around 100BC. Our Cleopatra was number 7, married to her brothers Ptolemy XIII and XIV, IIRC.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 28, 2017 08:13 AM (X6fMO)

427 No prior natsec experience of any kind before being elevated to the NSC by Obama.
Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 01:09 PM (noWW6)


Just like Jamie Gorelick had no financial admin experience before being appointed to Fannie Mae.

Funny how that works.

Posted by: OregonMuse at February 28, 2017 08:13 AM (WwTKJ)

428 Anecdotally, there is compelling evidence that Clinton ignored that the Oklahoma City bombing was actually financed by Saddam.

So there is that angle as well, along with "he tried to kill my daddy."

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at February 28, 2017 08:13 AM (J5mC3)

429 I'm back. NOOD coming soon then.

Posted by: Country Boy - just a humble, occasionally hotheaded poster at February 28, 2017 08:14 AM (Jcg9Q)

430 Even Libya gave up its weapons in the area. The idea was working, until traitors in the USA destroyed the effort and we elected a radical leftist Muslim sympathizer to destroy it. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 01:10 PM (39g3+) The entire project failed because of something Bush administration did... They did not force a US style Bill of Rights into the Iraqi Constitution... and allowed them to enshrine Sharia Law instead.... That simple act, doomed the entire mission to failure IMO...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 28, 2017 08:14 AM (NgKpN)

431 >>Remember, the KSA dynasty is only two generations deep. Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 01:12 PM (zZb/S)

...and if they don't fix several very serious (and often overlooked) internal problems, it'll end two generations deep.

Posted by: General Zod at February 28, 2017 08:14 AM (Bdeb0)

432 You're living in denial.

Posted by: [/i][/b]andycanuck[/s][/u] at February 28, 2017 08:14 AM (nlbfN)

433 429 I'm back. NOOD coming soon then. Posted by: Country Boy - just a humble, occasionally hotheaded poster at February 28, 2017 01:14 PM (Jcg9Q) Great. You're not a busty and attractive woman, but a new thread would be good as a diversion. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 08:15 AM (fDdVG)

434 That statement is demostrably false. Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 01:10 PM (8XRCm) Okay, demonstrate that then. I think you'll find that most terrorist groups operating in the world today are Sunnis, most receive most if not all of their funding from citizens of KSA and the Gulf States, and that while Iran is playing 3 dimensional chess with who they fund, their only real terrorist proxy of any size is Hezbollah. The fund Shia dissident groups (Houthi's for example) through the ummah, which I guess you could arguably say are terrorist groups, but it's more of a "cold war" being fought with proxies between the Shia and the Sunni.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 08:15 AM (wmaTe)

435 throughout*

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 08:15 AM (wmaTe)

436 Just like Jamie Gorelick had no financial admin experience before being appointed to Fannie Mae. In government a JD seems to substitute for relevant experience.

Posted by: JEM at February 28, 2017 08:15 AM (TppKb)

437 Yet another idiotic leftist lie swallowed feathers and all by people who should know better. Good lord people it wasn't that long ago. The resultion had a dozen different reasons to invade of which WMD was only one. The rest were things like "violating a cease fire for over a dozen years" "genocide against his own people" "harboring, training, and funding terrorism" and so on. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 01:02 PM (39g3+) --------------------------------------------------------- BS...SO we should invade every country on earth that does that? That is a Bill Kristol-John McCain view of American foreign policy. Why was PNAC pushing memos, and letters, etc to the American public, to the Clinton Administration throughout the 1990s for regime change in Iraq? More important since that time, almost everyone one of those individuals from Robert Kagan to Bill Kristol have continued advocating for Democracy in the Middle East. They were for the Libyan intervention to establish democracy, for a Syrian Democracy, etc. So the prime reason was Democracy in Iraq...hence the Religion of Peace, and all that. Bush & Co. really believed that Democracy in the Islamic world would bring about a cultural revolution that would end terrorism in that part of the world.

Posted by: William Eaton at February 28, 2017 08:16 AM (MuTTO)

438 People act like using an attempt to assassinate a former president of the United States is not a reasonable pretext to war. "he just wanted to avenge his daddy!!" Mother of God its like people turn into that Cuthbert chick on this topic. Iraq tried to kill a former president of the United States that's an act of war in and of its self, even if he was just an American citizen.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 08:16 AM (39g3+)

439 Considering that shiites run Iraq now, iran succeeded. ------ THANKS OBAMA!!

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 08:16 AM (8XRCm)

440 Let's imagine this liberal insanity continues and gets far worse to the point Republicans and most sane people just won't have anything to to with the administration or work with it out of fear for their safety, family, career or it just isn't worth the headaches.    Imagine then the administration is then "shut down", everybody resigns and even Trump says screw it and throws in the towel. (This seems to be the lefts goal.)

Just WTF do they think happens next? Do they really think it will be a peaceful transition back to leftist/elitist rule?

Posted by: Ripley at February 28, 2017 08:16 AM (1BQGO)

441 And Kelly Anne kneeled on a couch!!!

Posted by: oddnot enjoying #winning still with schadenboner to prove it at February 28, 2017 08:17 AM (g1MTt)

442 Pokes head around corner.  Sweeps thread for ban-hammer.  Not seeing anything, ducks back behind cover.........

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 28, 2017 08:17 AM (jxbfJ)

443 The guy who writes the Mark Trail comic strip is mad at me. I don't know why but I find that funny. The feuds I get into online. Maybe this one will call me colorful bad names like Geoff Downes did.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at February 28, 2017 08:17 AM (ul9CR)

444 Also... I think another reason that the GOP doesn't like Trump is that he's an alpha male.

Think about it. Generally, the GOP runs nice country club beta males. Most -- but not all-- of the GOP are beta males.

Trump is like a Brooklyn Teamster. Not their kind of people.

Posted by: shibumi, a deplorable who now just wants to yell at stupid people at February 28, 2017 08:17 AM (J5mC3)

445 Even Libya gave up its weapons in the area. The idea was working, until traitors in the USA destroyed the effort and we elected a radical leftist Muslim sympathizer to destroy it. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor Out of perverse curiosity and boredom with this thread, what, demonstrably, would have happen if we had not decided to engage in Deserted Storm part II? Is there any factual evidence the US would have been harmed in any fashion had that 1 year long debate ended in nothing?

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at February 28, 2017 08:17 AM (4YGWz)

446 BS...SO we should invade every country on earth that does that? The entire list? I think there's a good argument for it yes. Find me another nation that is doing all that. I'll wait. The entire project failed because of something Bush administration did... They did not force a US style Bill of Rights into the Iraqi Constitution I agree, it was a severe misstep to not go with the Japan rebuilding route of imposing true democracy on the region.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 08:17 AM (39g3+)

447 I feel like we need a nood. With our luck, Ace is going to push out a long post about the Iraq War he's been holding onto for a while.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 08:18 AM (vur0q)

448 THERE ... ARE ... A SHITTON ... OF PTOLEMIES!!!!

Posted by: Picard in Grade 11 history class at February 28, 2017 08:18 AM (+INtM)

449 Remember, the KSA dynasty is only two generations deep. Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 01:12 PM (zZb/S) ...and if they don't fix several very serious (and often overlooked) internal problems, it'll end two generations deep. Posted by: General Zod Yep

Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 08:18 AM (zZb/S)

450 He was married to Cleopatra II, his sister and reigned until around 100BC. Our Cleopatra was number 7, married to her brothers Ptolemy XIII and XIV, IIRC. Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 28, 2017 01:13 PM (X6fMO) I was just funning him. It must have been easy for the post Alexandrian Pharoahs to name the kids and get them hitched. As long as they had a boy and girl

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 28, 2017 08:18 AM (493sH)

451 Gina Lollobrigida: http://tinyurl.com/jntb2cn

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 28, 2017 08:19 AM (X6fMO)

452 Great. You're not a busty and attractive woman, but a new thread would be good as a diversion. :^) Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 28, 2017 01:15 PM (fDdVG) I have moobs. Does that count? : )

Posted by: Country Boy - just a humble, occasionally hotheaded poster at February 28, 2017 08:19 AM (Jcg9Q)

453 The thought was that democracies don't go to war against one another. Posted by: josephistan at February 28, 2017 01:13 PM (7HtZB) Civil War... two Democracies. WW2, Germany first Elected Hitler into Power... as Italy did Mussolini... Hell... Revolutionary War England had a Parliament...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 28, 2017 08:19 AM (NgKpN)

454 >>The sanctions put into place after the first Gulf War were proving increasingly leaky and certain putative allies (why is it always the French?) wanted far greater trade with the regime. Same same with the sanctions on Iran. And that's why Obama went to the UN before going to Congress. Tell Vladimir I'll have more flexibility after the election. Presidents have to govern not just with the Congress they have but also the so called allies we have. Bush chose to go to war to get rid of one of the nexus of Middle East terror and destabilization, Obama chose to surrender.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 08:19 AM (/tuJf)

455 Trump and congress need to add BAN ALL FEDERAL EMPLOYEE UNIONS to the BIGLY list of things to get done during 2017.

Posted by: colfax mingo at February 28, 2017 08:20 AM (Ik1WR)

456 Out of perverse curiosity and boredom with this thread, what, demonstrably, would have happen if we had not decided to engage in Deserted Storm part II? I don't have a time machine, but letting someone stay in power who is funding, training, and harboring terrorists, including a grounded 747 to train taking over planes, seems like a poor choice. Particularly since the guy never gave up his plan to build WMDs and had stockpiles of them and serious ambition to attack his neighbors. Saddam Hussein was a very bad actor that was shooting at our planes and continually violating a cease fire in the region. After 9/11 it seemed pretty obvious that we can't let guys like that stick around. But memories are short.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 08:20 AM (39g3+)

457 But--Iran is striving for nuclear weapons, and aligned with Syria that was near the capability before Operation Orchard--and both are "satellite" nations of Russia. Posted by: Strelnikov at February 28, 2017 01:13 PM (fi5nC) Traditionally, the Shias aligned with Russia and the Sunni aligned with Great Britain (and now us.) I wouldn't call Iran a satellite nation of Russia, but Iran and Russia have a relationship not unlike the US and KSA. Also, our international terrorism problem has been with our "allies," the Sunnis.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 08:20 AM (wmaTe)

458 It just seems to bring divisions between us here which we really don't need.

At the moment, we need about ten divisions.

An Air Wing, 40 subs, 4 carriers and a battleship.

Posted by: Stringer Davis[/i][/b] at February 28, 2017 08:20 AM (H5rtT)

459 The guy who writes the Mark Trail comic strip is mad at me. Are you Josh Fruhlinger?

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 28, 2017 08:20 AM (X6fMO)

460 448 THERE ... ARE ... A SHITTON ... OF PTOLEMIES!!!! Posted by: Picard in Grade 11 history class at February 28, 2017 01:18 PM (+INtM) Its almost as bad as the stupid Herods.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 28, 2017 08:21 AM (CPk08)

461 The thought was that democracies don't go to war against one another. Posted by: josephistan at February 28, 2017 01:13 PM (7HtZB) Civil War... two Democracies. WW2, Germany first Elected Hitler into Power... as Italy did Mussolini... Hell... Revolutionary War England had a Parliament... Posted by: Don Quixote Everything we did in Central America

Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 08:21 AM (zZb/S)

462 Germany first Elected Hitler into Power ------ Hilter was never elected. Hindenberg appointed him. The best showing the Nazis had in a election was about 20%.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 08:21 AM (8XRCm)

463 445
Out of perverse curiosity and boredom with this thread, what, demonstrably, would have happen if we had not decided to engage in Deserted Storm part II?
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 28, 2017 01:17 PM (4YGWz)


God help us if we engage in any combat outside of the skirmishes we are involved in now.  We are woefully ill-equipped militarily.   Should something come to pass, I trust PDT will listen to Mattis.  Let Mattis execute the war and keep the WH, Congress and the press out of it - until victory has been achieved.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 28, 2017 08:21 AM (jxbfJ)

464 Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 01:09 PM

Yo, Harry!  How's school going?

Posted by: RedMindBlueState[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at February 28, 2017 08:21 AM (p+Wdc)

465 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 01:20 PM (39g3+) As far as I know, Saddam was funding Hamas (as does everyone in the ummah, because, Jews.) and that's about it as far as proof of him funding terrorism. Everything else you allege has never been proven as far as I know.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 08:21 AM (wmaTe)

466 Yo, Harry! How's school going? Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 28, 2017 01:21 PM (p+Wdc) Haven't failed out yet!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 08:22 AM (wmaTe)

467 At the moment, we need about ten divisions. An Air Wing, 40 subs, 4 carriers and a battleship. --- but no crossbows

Posted by: buzzsaw90 at February 28, 2017 08:22 AM (PNcou)

468 I have a soft spot for Ptolemy VIII Physcon. centuries of Greeks sneering at the Copts for being bumpkins, and Ptolemy just upped and told them, you know what, you don't like Egyptians, gtfo of Egypt. Posted by: Boulder terlit hobo at February 28, 2017 01:01 PM (DeO5Y) Doesn't seem like Ptolemy VIII really liked Egyptians either. Since he kept marrying his siblings of Macedonian descent.

Posted by: buzzion at February 28, 2017 08:22 AM (z/Ubi)

469 458 It just seems to bring divisions between us here which we really don't need. At the moment, we need about ten divisions. An Air Wing, 40 subs, 4 carriers and a battleship. Posted by: Stringer Davis Reminds me, I have to plan my A&A buys for tonight

Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 08:22 AM (zZb/S)

470 Look at a map. A succesfull milatary operation in Afghanistan and a successful military operation in Iraq put Americas armed forces in two of Irans neighbors. I always wondered about that as well. Just too much of a coincidence. In the end ... I just think trying to reshape Middle Eastern culture is a mistake. As screwed up as we see it ... those people are exactly who they want to be. Known a lot of people that think Islamists hate us because they don't know us. I think they hate us because they do.

Posted by: ScoggDog at February 28, 2017 08:22 AM (AuISE)

471 We cannot engage in a WW2-style rebuilding of a nation into a stable democracy like we did with Japan any longer. Americans will not put up with it. That was the mistake. That was the flaw in the plan. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 01:12 PM (39g3+) There were further flaws in that direction. We did not utterly subjugate Iraq before setting out to rebuild it. The "surgical" approach, the communicating that we are "not at war with the Iraqi people" left entirely too much of their psyche intact. And that psyche was an Islamic one, which was the critical error in Bush's intent to rebuild. Sure, you can get them to the point where they elect a government democratically. And you're going to get a democratically elected Islamic government, and you're worse off than when you started.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 28, 2017 08:22 AM (yL25O)

472 Are you Josh Fruhlinger? Ah, a fellow Comics Curmudgeon fan! No, I'm not Josh (who is a very funny guy, but a liberal iirc) but you're close to the reason. Can't say more without doxxing myself.

Posted by: WhatWhatWhat? - Takin' My Time on my Ride at February 28, 2017 08:22 AM (ul9CR)

473 Good news, grim milestones are back! There's a Twitter trend blaming Trump for that Ryan guy's death. If that's the new standard, have I got some words about Benghazi.

Posted by: Ian S. at February 28, 2017 08:22 AM (KUTP5)

474 Boosh syndicate had been close to Saudi Arabia for a long time and completely enabled their spread of Terror by turning their backs to them. If the Clinton/Bush/Obama faction wanted change in Iran then somebody please explain why we ignored Their cries for help in 2009 when the western factions of Iran were begging us for months to help them overthrow the minority theocracy there? Makes no sense except we have been bowing down to the Saudis and Muslim Brotherhood for many decades.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 08:22 AM (ksj3z)

475 The Big Original Sin of the US in the Gulf was that Bush Sr. didn't take out Saddam at the end of Gulf War 1, which he could have done with just 24 hours more effort.  Colin Powell didn't want him to do it, and Saudi didn't want it because they were scared of the Iranians, and Turkey didn't want it because they were scared of the Kurds.  So Bush Sr. caved and let Saddam stay in power.

Undo that mistake in '91 and the entire history of the last 25 years changes dramatically.

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 28, 2017 08:22 AM (YsaNw)

476 Lester Dolt was also at Trump's press lunch. Can't imagine what the conversations must have been like

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 28, 2017 08:23 AM (493sH)

477 The thought was that democracies don't go to war against one another.
Posted by: josephistan at February 28, 2017 01:13 PM (7HtZB)

I remember getting fed that tripe in one of the liberal arts classes I had to take when I was completing my bachelor degree.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 28, 2017 08:23 AM (jxbfJ)

478 As far as I know, Saddam was funding Hamas (as does everyone in the ummah, because, Jews.) and that's about it as far as proof of him funding terrorism. Everything else you allege has never been proven as far as I know. Posted by: Harry Paratestes We still haven't put KSM on trial, why not?

Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 08:23 AM (zZb/S)

479 I wouldn't call Iran a satellite nation of Russia ********** Historically they have been. Same with Syria. And the point I was making was about nuclear capabilities. What's more devastating? Usually you titrate down from worst case scenario in ---planning.

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 28, 2017 08:23 AM (fi5nC)

480 The second Iraq war was a problem on many fronts. The casus belli was a house of cards, not even so conclusive as the fact that the Iraqis were shooting at our no-fly-zone patrols. The sanctions put into place after the first Gulf War were proving increasingly leaky and certain putative allies (why is it always the French?) wanted far greater trade with the regime. The occupation force structure and 'nation building' strategy was fatally flawed. I'm sure this list could go on for a ways. Posted by: JEM at February 28, 2017 01:13 PM (TppKb) Furthermore, if you consider all this simply on political terms, it's a loser to try to defend the Bush War. It's a loser, and now the Bushies are on the other side of the political divide. So why on Earth would ANYONE today attempt to expend the political capital to continue defending the Bushies. I don't care if there were mitigating factors. I don't care if there were valid arguments for attempting the Bush War. The Bush War failed. So leave it there. Let the historians sort it out. Meanwhile, here and now, move forward without tying ourselves to that failed misery.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2017 08:23 AM (TOk1P)

481 Couchgate Update: 128 stories have been written so far... Was Kellyanne Conway raised in a barn? No, Kellyanne Conway, it is never OK to put your shoes on the Oval Office couch In pictures: Offbeat in the Oval Office Kellyanne Conway's Net Worth Drexel dean to seek disbarment of Kellyanne Conway in NJ

Posted by: Nathan R. Jessup at February 28, 2017 08:23 AM (TixTl)

482 Trump and congress need to add BAN ALL FEDERAL EMPLOYEE UNIONS to the BIGLY list of things to get done during 2017. I agree. Its very important to clean the swamp, that's his number one job. He needs to approach this as taking over a failing company: clean out the deadwood, change the business climate, make the company work the way its supposed to.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 08:24 AM (39g3+)

483 473 Good news, grim milestones are back! There's a Twitter trend blaming Trump for that Ryan guy's death. If that's the new standard, have I got some words about Benghazi. Posted by: Ian S. at February 28, 2017 01:22 PM (KUTP5) ===================== The MSM was covered itself in so much glory since the end of the presidential primaries, that I think that if every evening newscast started with a death count, the political effects would be minimal.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 08:24 AM (vur0q)

484 103, "Posted by: alexthechick - Pentaverate? I have no idea what you mean! at February 28, 2017 12:01 PM (mf5HN)

The first progressive era ushered in this idea of a professional bureaucracy to replace the old patronage system under the (some would argue bullshit) theory that this would remove politics, instability, and rent seeking from the "civil service.""

A couple of pieces about the progressive's move to professionalize government back then.

http://tinyurl.com/gsq6qa7

http://tinyurl.com/ph2gbzo

"In 1937, Luther Gulick, an important New Dealer and leading proponent of the professionalization of public administration, advocated restructuring American government to reduce the typical law enacted by Congress to "a declaration of war"..."

Posted by: geoffb5 at February 28, 2017 08:24 AM (d3wbb)

485 Real, and, Spectacular... https://tinyurl.com/zpjttt2

Posted by: Kate U at February 28, 2017 08:24 AM (XoldI)

486 Added example--the military in Syria and Iran--where does their equipment come from?

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 28, 2017 08:24 AM (fi5nC)

487 I don't have a time machine, but letting someone stay in power who is funding, training, and harboring terrorists, including a grounded 747 to train taking over planes, seems like a poor choice. Particularly since the guy never gave up his plan to build WMDs and had stockpiles of them and serious ambition to attack his neighbors. Saddam Hussein was a very bad actor that was shooting at our planes and continually violating a cease fire in the region. After 9/11 it seemed pretty obvious that we can't let guys like that stick around. But memories are short. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 01:20 PM (39g3+) I agree with this. I remain unconvinced that the war in Iraq was a waste. It sure as hell was expensive, and Obama really screwed the pooch in the aftermath, but I won't really be able to make up my mind for another 20-30 years.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 28, 2017 08:24 AM (CPk08)

488 478 We still haven't put KSM on trial, why not? Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 01:23 PM (zZb/S) ======================= "We tried! But New Yorkers seemed to have a problem with the idea." -BHO

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 08:24 AM (vur0q)

489 Haven't failed out yet! Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 01:22 PM

Bonus!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at February 28, 2017 08:25 AM (p+Wdc)

490 Oscar show tourist is 3-strikes felon who got out of California prison 3 days before the show: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4266554/

Posted by: JEM at February 28, 2017 08:25 AM (TppKb)

491 Forget the Mylroie sock for 478

Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 08:25 AM (zZb/S)

492 471 We cannot engage in a WW2-style rebuilding of a nation into a stable democracy like we did with Japan any longer. Americans will not put up with it.

Well, it's misleading to say "a nation".  We could do it with Germany and Japan because, beneath all of the militarism they were still civilized societies.  We couldn't do it with the Arabs because beneath the militarism they are uncivilized barbarians straight out of the 7th century.

It isn't a matter of Americans not putting up with it; it's a matter of us admitting that we cannot possibly do what no other power in history has been able to do, either.  Which is to turn the Arabs into a civilized people. 

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 28, 2017 08:26 AM (YsaNw)

493 487 I won't really be able to make up my mind for another 20-30 years. Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 28, 2017 01:24 PM (CPk0 =================== Not good enough. Must have snap judgments that you hold until you die. Thems the rules.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 08:26 AM (vur0q)

494 As far as I know, Saddam was funding Hamas (as does everyone in the ummah, because, Jews.) and that's about it as far as proof of him funding terrorism. He was funding suicide bombers and paying for training in Iraq. Everything else you allege has never been proven as far as I know. The violation of cease fires? The shooting at American planes? The harboring of terrorists? Which of these things was not proven? I'll save you time they were all 100% absolute fact. I don't like the globalist stupidity of the Bush administration. They made several key mistakes in their Iraq policy that came back to bite us. We should focus on those as the problems, not regurgitate idiotic and false leftist talking points from 10 years ago.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 08:26 AM (39g3+)

495 The "surgical" approach, the communicating that we are "not at war with the Iraqi people" left entirely too much of their psyche intact. ------------------------------- You have to literally bomb the Shiite out of them first. And Sunni too. Or have realistic goals. Or both.

Posted by: RioBravo at February 28, 2017 08:26 AM (SsblQ)

496 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 01:20 PM (39g3+) Why no war with Saudi Arabia and the Muslim Brotherhood? Oh because our government institutions have been using them as proxies since the late 70's in Afghanistan. And probably before I just can't recall right now.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 08:26 AM (ksj3z)

497 Makes no sense except we have been bowing down to the Saudis and Muslim Brotherhood for many decades. Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 01:22 PM (ksj3z) Well, I would think that KSA would be in favor of the a more secular Iran? Maybe not though, because then Iran wouldn't be an international pariah... I'd have to think about how the MoBro, KSA, and other Sunnis would want that to play out...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 08:27 AM (wmaTe)

498 The Big Original Sin of the US in the Gulf was that Bush Sr. didn't take out Saddam at the end of Gulf War 1, which he could have done with just 24 hours more effort. Colin Powell didn't want him to do it, and Saudi didn't want it because they were scared of the Iranians, and Turkey didn't want it because they were scared of the Kurds. So Bush Sr. caved and let Saddam stay in power. Undo that mistake in '91 and the entire history of the last 25 years changes dramatically. Posted by: Tom Servo at February 28, 2017 01:22 PM (YsaNw) I was stationed stateside at the time of Bush War 1. We were gearing up for urban warfare. The unit I was with, we were designed for urban warfare. I was ready to go. Fast forward 13 years, and the son launched Bush War 2, and a large number of young men had to go in and do the job I was supposed to do 13 years earlier. I meet lots of younger Veterans, guys who were there, saw what they saw, did what they did. I feel a certain amount of personal responsibility. They had to do the job I was supposed to do 13 year earlier. I do not know how to reconcile that with all the political shit that gets talked about. To me it's bigger than the political shit.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2017 08:27 AM (TOk1P)

499 Bonus! Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 28, 2017 01:25 PM (p+Wdc) Yep. What's new with you?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 08:27 AM (wmaTe)

500 Trump killed the Bush dynasty ++ Two dynasties but who's counting

Posted by: Bigbys Cellphone at February 28, 2017 08:28 AM (di4sB)

501 Particularly since the guy never gave up his plan to build WMDs and had stockpiles of them and serious ambition to attack his neighbors. What percentage of them were actually ready to use? AFAIK, little or none. No? His nuke program was buried in the chief scientist's rose garden, right? Saddam Hussein was a very bad actor that was shooting at our planes and continually violating a cease fire in the region. After 9/11 it seemed pretty obvious that we can't let guys like that stick around. Lots of 'bad actors' out there. In fact, history is repleat with them. The Founders didn't seem to be keen on making the US the World Police, and in my humble, that was a damn good bit of natural indifference. Further, why? What evidence was there that he could have effected any kind of attack on the US itself? None of these complaints about Saddam's evilness seem to approach a level that warrented an adventure that was guaranteed to end in retreat because of a disinterested US public. But memories are short. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor Apparently.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at February 28, 2017 08:28 AM (4YGWz)

502 Not good enough. Must have snap judgments that you hold until you die. Thems the rules. Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 01:26 PM (vur0q) I make lots of those. But they mostly have to do with boobs and such.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 28, 2017 08:28 AM (CPk08)

503 Bullshit. Jeb was not going to win shit. Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 12:46 PM (8XRCm) IIRC many people were wailing and cursing the skies above because Jeb would be foisted upon us no matter what we wanted because Powers-That-Be and Chamber of Commerce and Money and Because. Just want to point that out before it gets conveniently forgotten once more.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Purchase the 18th Edition of 'Ace Commands: The Style Guide for the Horde' at the Outra at February 28, 2017 08:28 AM (hLRSq)

504 >>As far as I know, Saddam was funding Hamas (as does everyone in the ummah, because, Jews.) and that's about it as far as proof of him funding terrorism. I would urge you to read Saddam: King of Terror by Con Coughlin. It will give you a good insight into the vast tentacles Saddam had spread throughout the region.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 08:28 AM (/tuJf)

505 Trump killed the Bush dynasty ==================== W. killed the Bush dynasty.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 08:28 AM (vur0q)

506 Remember when we rooted out all of the Muslim Brotherhood before 9/11 and after? Yeah neither do I.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 08:29 AM (ksj3z)

507 Saddam was funding all sorts of terrorists--as long as they did not attack him and served his interests at times. From Carlos the Jackel to all sorts of Pali Terrorists.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 08:29 AM (KlI/a)

508 Wait,so now global warming is vcausing more polar bears?I thought they were starving and drowning??(sidebar)

Posted by: steevy at February 28, 2017 08:29 AM (r/0kC)

509 462 Germany first Elected Hitler into Power ------ Hilter was never elected. Hindenberg appointed him. The best showing the Nazis had in a election was about 20%. Posted by: fixerupper at February 28, 2017 01:21 PM (8XRCm) No... but he manipulated the election process, and those who won those elections... He gained power in a Democracy... thus showing that just being a Democracy is no guarantee that said country will not go to war...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 28, 2017 08:29 AM (NgKpN)

510 Oh because our government institutions have been using them as proxies since the late 70's in Afghanistan. And probably before I just can't recall right now. Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 01:26 PM (ksj3z) Oh it goes back to the early 1900s and Saudis hiring American wildcatters to drill for water in the desert. Didn't have great luck finding a lot of water, but, well, heh...

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 08:29 AM (wmaTe)

511 "And that psyche was an Islamic one, which was the critical error in Bush's intent to rebuild. Sure, you can get them to the point where they elect a government democratically. And you're going to get a democratically elected Islamic government, and you're worse off than when you started."

Dubya didn't see anything wrong with that model.

The Muslims trotted out their hoary old (and extensively empirically disproved) line about how Jews, Christians and Muslims are all kindred "People Of The Book", who can get along just fine with one another, and Bush fell for it like a tree being taken down by a master lumberjack.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 08:29 AM (noWW6)

512 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 01:10 PM (39g3+) Exactly. The only argument against going into Iraq is in restrospect, arguing the cost in lives, dollars, and underestimation of the complexities of the groups, tribes, etc. If someone wants to argue the finer points of the post- Saddam planning and execution of things, I think there's a fair discussion to be had. Anyone beating the "No WMD" drum or arguing that we had no reason to go in is either disingenuous or an imbecile. There are a LOT of things I disagree with Bush about. I disagree with virtually all his domestic policy, his obsession with giant foreign aid packages, the details of No Child Left Behind and it being in the federal wheelhouse at all,... I think he made the right call going into Iraq. I think it could and should have been done a lot better but the majority of mistakes, IMO, were the result of Democrat and political meddling after the fact. If Democrats (and the media, etc.) didn't lie their asses off and turn Iraq into a completely disingenuous political issue for the 2004 election, I think a lot of things would be very different, a lot of lives and treasure would have been spared, and Iraq would be a very different place today.

Posted by: Damiano at February 28, 2017 08:29 AM (71OEY)

513 What's new with you? Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 01:27 PM

Get up.  Work.  Go home.  Sleep.

Rinse. Repeat.

I have a terribly exciting life.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at February 28, 2017 08:29 AM (p+Wdc)

514 477 The thought was that democracies don't go to war against one another.

Anytime anyone brings that up, they have to do a whole lot of hand-waving if some deplorable listener brings up the question "but wasn't Hitler elected?".

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 28, 2017 08:30 AM (YsaNw)

515 495 The "surgical" approach, the communicating that we are "not at war with the Iraqi people" left entirely too much of their psyche intact.
-------------------------------
You have to literally bomb the Shiite out of them first. And Sunni too.

Or have realistic goals.

Or both.

Posted by: RioBravo at February 28, 2017 01:26 PM (SsblQ)


Has there ever been a real victory when we fought a war using the "surgical" approach?



Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 28, 2017 08:30 AM (jxbfJ)

516 G-D we're back to infighting the Bush-War thing? Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 08:30 AM (KlI/a)

517 Arguing the Iraq war again? Oh FFS.

Posted by: Chupacabra[/i][/b] at February 28, 2017 08:31 AM (pRtaC)

518 The Muslims trotted out their hoary old (and extensively empirically disproved) line about how Jews, Christians and Muslims are all kindred "People Of The Book", who can get along just fine with one another, and Bush fell for it like a tree being taken down by a master lumberjack. Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 01:29 PM (noWW6) And that's the problem with globalism, at least in the short/intermediate run. Culture actually matters......

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 28, 2017 08:31 AM (CPk08)

519 513 What's new with you? Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 01:27 PM Get up. Work. Go home. Sleep. Rinse. Repeat. I have a terribly exciting life. Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 28, 2017 01:29 PM (p+Wdc) ===================== *barges in uninvited* I get to potty train my 2 year old son! *hangs head in sadness at realization that that is the most exciting thing going on in my life right now*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 08:31 AM (vur0q)

520 What could go wrong?

It seems a theater group in Sacramento is going to stage a play based on the Donner Party.

Maybe they'll eat the audience.

Posted by: Anna Puma at February 28, 2017 08:31 AM (4H105)

521 The problem with Afghanistan and Iraq was not the attempt or the reasoning, but the fact that the American people now have no patience to make that long term of a project possible. We cannot engage in a WW2-style rebuilding of a nation into a stable democracy like we did with Japan any longer. Americans will not put up with it. That was the mistake. That was the flaw in the plan. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at February 28, 2017 01:12 PM (39g3+) ----------------------------------------------------------- You proved my point right there! Japan is not Iraq, it is not a majority Muslim population, or with numerous Islamic factions and ethnic groups. Japan, Korea and Germany for that matter, have one ethnic group, one culture, and a national sense of itself. We did not have to worry about Japanese faction fighting another faction. We had captured the Japanese god, and made him do what we wanted. Did we capture Allah in Iraq? Also what Democracy brought in the Islamic world was the people's representatives voting for things like men marrying nine year old girls, thankfully in Iraq it was put on the back burner because ISIS came pouring in before the vote. In Egypt democracy meant the Muslim Brotherhood, in Libya it meant Islamic tribal groups fighting in the streets. If you think that allowing the average Muslim majority population to vote will produce anything but an increasing Islamization of the country, and more Jihadists then you have not been paying attention the last 20 years. We could have troops in Iraq for a hundred years and we would still be in the same situation, unless of course we were willing to de-Islam the country like Ataturk did in Turkey. Sadly once the Turkish military stopped doing proper coups to remove the Islamist that got elected, we see the backsliding to Islamism in Turkey now. Another mess Bush created for putting pressure on the Turkish military to not take out Erdogan's party when they had a chance.

Posted by: William Eaton at February 28, 2017 08:31 AM (MuTTO)

522 516 G-D we're back to infighting the Bush-War thing? Sigh
Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 01:30 PM (KlI/a)

Valerie Perrine had a nice rack, too.

Posted by: Kate U at February 28, 2017 08:32 AM (XoldI)

523 Get up. Work. Go home. Sleep. Rinse. Repeat. I have a terribly exciting life. Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 28, 2017 01:29 PM (p+Wdc) sounds like it!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 08:32 AM (wmaTe)

524 >>479 I wouldn't call Iran a satellite nation of Russia

I wouldn't, either. And I'm pretty sure that after playing their part in facilitating the thorough asswhupping that the infidel Soviets got in AFG, the Iranians don't, either, recent situationally convenient arrangements notwithstanding...

Posted by: General Zod at February 28, 2017 08:32 AM (Bdeb0)

525 James Madison, go for walks in woods, let him pee on trees. Works great.

Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 08:32 AM (zZb/S)

526 I meet lots of younger Veterans, guys who were there, saw what they saw, did what they did. I feel a certain amount of personal responsibility. They had to do the job I was supposed to do 13 year earlier. I do not know how to reconcile that with all the political shit that gets talked about. To me it's bigger than the political shit. Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2017 01:27 PM (TOk1P) Yup.... I was sitting on a Destroyer in the Gulf then... We were all FLOORED when we were suddenly told to stop... it came out of the Blue... we had active ops planned for weeks... It was like that game we played as a Kid... Red Light Green Light?

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 28, 2017 08:32 AM (NgKpN)

527 Good news, grim milestones are back! There's a Twitter trend blaming Trump for that Ryan guy's death. If that's the new standard, have I got some words about Benghazi.
--

Did you know that no one died overseas during the entire Obama war free presidency?

Obama said he's end all wars, and he did. He also closed Gitmo and stopped global warming.

And Bengazi? That happened under the Bush admin.

Posted by: the MSM and Libtards Everywhere at February 28, 2017 08:32 AM (J5mC3)

528 519
*barges in uninvited*

I get to potty train my 2 year old son!

*hangs head in sadness at realization that that is the most exciting thing going on in my life right now*

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 01:31 PM (vur0q)


Sink the cheerios.  Great exercise at developing his aim.

Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 28, 2017 08:32 AM (jxbfJ)

529 Iran does not have the reach not the finding that the Muslim Brotherhood and Saudi proxies do. Are they a backwards dangerous theocracy? Yes. But Iran is huge and it's people are more Western than the effing Muslim Brotherhood and the Saudi proxies.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 08:33 AM (ksj3z)

530 G-D we're back to infighting the Bush-War thing? Sigh Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 01:30 PM (KlI/a) 517 Arguing the Iraq war again? Oh FFS. Posted by: Chupacabra at February 28, 2017 01:31 PM (pRtaC) Until somebody figures out how to extricate the Republican Party from the clutches of the Bushies and their ilk, then yes. Yes we are. And yes we will.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2017 08:33 AM (TOk1P)

531 o/t Just saw on cbsn a couple hours ago that the 'bomb threat' hoaxes that are being inflicted upon Jewish facilities -- law enforcement isn't even sure if they're being made 'from inside this country'. My friends, that's not unsophisticated kkk trailer trash which knows how to use proxy servers, spoff caller ID, and disguise a voice on a VOIP line. I still say $oros.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum [i] at February 28, 2017 08:33 AM (ZFUt7)

532 Oscar show tourist is 3-strikes felon who got out of California prison 3 days before the show: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4266554/ Posted by: JEM at February 28, 2017 01:25 PM (TppKb) Sex offender at the Oscars? Dude was right at home among his kind.

Posted by: Country Boy - just a humble, occasionally hotheaded poster at February 28, 2017 08:33 AM (Jcg9Q)

533 505
Trump killed the Bush dynasty

====================

W. killed the Bush dynasty.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 01:28 PM (vur0q)



By letting the media work unopposed

Posted by: dagny at February 28, 2017 08:34 AM (Mc+44)

534 What's new with you?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 01:27 PM

Get up. Work. Go home. Sleep.

Rinse. Repeat.

I have a terribly exciting life.
Posted by: RedMindBlueState at February 28, 2017 01:29 PM (p+Wdc)

=====================

*barges in uninvited*

I get to potty train my 2 year old son!

*hangs head in sadness at realization that that is the most exciting thing going on in my life right now* Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 01:31 PM


I would argue that after 2 years of changing diapers, that's a pretty big deal.  LOL  The most exciting thing in my last 2 weeks was 9 yr old's b-day party.  I need to get out more.

Posted by: RedMindBlueState[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at February 28, 2017 08:34 AM (p+Wdc)

535 IIRC many people were wailing and cursing the skies above because Jeb would be foisted upon us no matter what we wanted because Powers-That-Be and Chamber of Commerce and Money and Because. Just want to point that out before it gets conveniently forgotten once more. Posted by: *Mikey NTH - Purchase the 18th Edition of 'Ace Commands: The Style Guide for the Horde' at the Outra at February 28, 2017 01:28 PM (hLRSq) Well, the GOPe certainly tried. And had been successful the previous two times-more, really.

Posted by: TexasDan at February 28, 2017 08:34 AM (yL25O)

536 Until somebody figures out how to extricate the Republican Party from the clutches of the Bushies and their ilk, then yes. Yes we are. And yes we will. Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2017 01:33 PM (TOk1P) ???? I thought President Trump did exactly that?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 08:34 AM (KlI/a)

537 Late to the thread but this is just typical liberal thinking. Their political views are simply normal, the other side's are not. So it's OK to describe these situations as they do. It's not 'political' to quit over tyranny fascism, racism, etc.

Posted by: Mathers at February 28, 2017 08:34 AM (3myMJ)

538 I still say $oros. I'm torn "$oros" or "capo bastard", hmmm

Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 08:35 AM (zZb/S)

539 G-D we're back to infighting the Bush-War thing? Sigh Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 01:30 PM (KlI/a) The science is never settled on anything at the HQ.

Posted by: Country Boy - just a humble, occasionally hotheaded poster at February 28, 2017 08:35 AM (Jcg9Q)

540 Sink the cheerios. Great exercise at developing his aim. Posted by: Our Country is Screwed at February 28, 2017 01:32 PM (jxbfJ) I still play that game!

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 08:35 AM (wmaTe)

541 "The Big Original Sin of the US in the Gulf was that Bush Sr. didn't take out Saddam at the end of Gulf War 1, ... Undo that mistake in '91 and the entire history of the last 25 years changes dramatically." And if our Iraqi ambassador at the time April Glapsie had given a clear message about the consequences if Saddam invaded Kuwait, after he had already amassed an army on Kuwait's border, because Saddam had a legitimate beef over Kuwait drinking his Rumali milk shake we wouldn't have had Gulf War I

Posted by: Ignoramus --The Handsome One at February 28, 2017 08:35 AM (SIY7D)

542 Until somebody figures out how to extricate the Republican Party from the clutches of the Bushies and their ilk, then yes. Yes we are. And yes we will. Posted by: BurtTC I wouldn't put it as hot and fast as that, but, yes, the GOP needed and needs to come to a reconciliation on the matter. It was an entirely an optional adventure, imho.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at February 28, 2017 08:35 AM (4YGWz)

543 Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2017 01:27 PM (TOk1P) Yup.... I was sitting on a Destroyer in the Gulf then... We were all FLOORED when we were suddenly told to stop... it came out of the Blue... we had active ops planned for weeks... It was like that game we played as a Kid... Red Light Green Light? Posted by: Don Quixote at February 28, 2017 01:32 PM (NgKpN) I really was ready. I had stopped talking to everyone back home (yes, I was wrong to do so), and my then future wife was monumentally pissed when I finally started talking again. It's hard to describe that feeling, the red light/green light thing you mention, to those who had no stakes in the game at the time.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2017 08:35 AM (TOk1P)

544 Nood

Posted by: rickb223 [/s][/b][/i][/u] at February 28, 2017 08:36 AM (QFqpA)

545 "Good news, grim milestones are back! There's a Twitter trend blaming Trump for that Ryan guy's death."

Trump was a fool to greenlight an op originally planned under the Shit Midas administration.

He needed to spend a minimum of three months cleaning house, changing out personnel, sanity-checking assumptions, and plugging leaks.

Instead a bunch of superannuated Obama holdovers urged him that he had to GET GOING RIGHT AWAY and that such a MAN OF ACTION as himself should not HESITATE AT CRUNCH TIME.

Crunch.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 28, 2017 08:36 AM (noWW6)

546 nood; booky looking thing

Posted by: Harry Paratestes at February 28, 2017 08:36 AM (wmaTe)

547 Report: Dem Rep. Maxine Waters To Skip President Trumps Speech Too busy building her case for impeachment? weasel Zippers Maybe she could not find anyone to park her car

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 08:36 AM (KlI/a)

548 *barges in uninvited* I get to potty train my 2 year old son! *hangs head in sadness at realization that that is the most exciting thing going on in my life right now* Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 01:31 PM ( I know millions of fathers that wish they could be doing what you are. Count your blessings sir. This country hates fathers and the state works to destroy us.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe at February 28, 2017 08:36 AM (ksj3z)

549 Until somebody figures out how to extricate the Republican Party from the clutches of the Bushies and their ilk, Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2017 01:33 PM But we like having them in our small, handheld purses ...

Posted by: Jeb! at February 28, 2017 08:36 AM (7C+kV)

550 "My friends, that's not unsophisticated kkk trailer trash which knows how to use proxy servers, spoff caller ID, and disguise a voice on a VOIP line.

I still say $oros."


I agree completely.  If you notice how fast the MSM is in on this, it's almost like each threat and gravestone-turning is called in to CNN before it even happens.

This is an unbelievably risky game for them to be playing, because if we ever catch some of the perps who've been doing this, the whole thing is going to blow up in their faces. 

Posted by: Tom Servo at February 28, 2017 08:37 AM (YsaNw)

551 W. killed the Bush dynasty. Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 01:28 PM (vur0q) By letting the media work unopposed Posted by: dagny at February 28, 2017 01:34 PM (Mc+44) By not throwing half the Democrat congress in prison for treason.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at February 28, 2017 08:37 AM (X6fMO)

552 525 James Madison, go for walks in woods, let him pee on trees. Works great. Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2017 01:32 PM (zZb/S) ===================== I think we might have broken through last night. We've been bribing him with M&M's for a successful pee and a little Thomas the Tank Engine toy for every successful poop. He'd been getting the pee part intermittently. When he runs around without pants he remembers, but with pants he suddenly seems to forget, but he just wouldn't make it to the potty for the poop. Last night, though, he only had one accident in real underwear, while he was trying to get to the potty, and he even went, on his own, to the potty for a poop. We have to get it completely done by May 1 because we're finally putting him in daycare and he'll be 3, and I'm suddenly optimistic that we'll get it done.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 08:37 AM (vur0q)

553 Until somebody figures out how to extricate the Republican Party from the clutches of the Bushies and their ilk, then yes. Yes we are. And yes we will. Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2017 01:33 PM (TOk1P) ???? I thought President Trump did exactly that? Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 28, 2017 01:34 PM (KlI/a) Oh you silly silly person. Your Gope Congresscritters have something to say about that. No but seriously, Trump isn't the end of the end of the Bush Era. He may be the beginning of the end, but he's not the end.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 28, 2017 08:38 AM (TOk1P)

554
*barges in uninvited*

I get to potty train my 2 year old son!

*hangs head in sadness at realization that that is the most exciting thing going on in my life right now*


My advice having trained 3.

Wait till he's 3 if you can. Then it takes about 5 minutes. If you can't ditch the pull ups during the day. They feel dry. Buy 20 pairs of cheap sweat pants and when he pees in them, he changes them. Like any guy, that's a lot of trouble and he'll train himself toot sweet. I'm embarrassed in all the effort, rewards, timing, videos, stories, special underwear, etc I spent on the first one. All you have to do is let him feel wet. He'll get it right away.

Posted by: dagny at February 28, 2017 08:38 AM (Mc+44)

555 There's also a pic taken seconds before the one everyone has seen that shows Kelly up on her knees on the couch taking the photo of the people. She's in that position because it gets everyone in the photo. In the photo published, she has sunk back off her knees, which probably wasn't comfortable, and is checking the phone to see if she got everyone in the pic. This is so silly but typical liberal crap. They never engage on issues, only on personality. Because you can't really fight it. Just like calling everyone a racist.

Posted by: Mathers at February 28, 2017 08:39 AM (3myMJ)

556 524 >>479 I wouldn't call Iran a satellite nation of Russia I wouldn't, either. And I'm pretty sure that after playing their part in facilitating the thorough asswhupping that the infidel Soviets got in AFG, the Iranians don't, either, recent situationally convenient arrangements n gotwithstanding... Posted by: General Zod at February 28, 2017 01:32 PM (Bdeb0) Again--who supplies Iran militarily? Who makes this plane: Sukhoi Su-30MKM *****************

Posted by: Strelnikov at February 28, 2017 08:40 AM (fi5nC)

557 >>No but seriously, Trump isn't the end of the end of the Bush Era. He may be the beginning of the end, but he's not the end. Had Trump been President at the time, I bet he would have made the exact same decision. He said a lot of stuff during the campaign but now that he's in the seat I bet he sees things a lot differently.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 08:41 AM (/tuJf)

558 Shocker. The racist note given to a waitress in Va was........fake.

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 28, 2017 08:43 AM (2x9LM)

559 Look the problem with Iraq is simple: You either believe one of two things: Opinion 1: That establishing a democracy in a majority Muslim country, like Iraq, will be a benefit strategically to the U.S. That also means that you think Islam has nothing or little to do with Jihadism. Opinion 2: That establishing a democracy in a majority Muslims country, like Iraq, will not be a benefit strategically to the U.S. That also means that you think Islam has a lot to do with Jihadism. It has nothing to do with the leftist view of anything. It is about Islam itself.

Posted by: William Eaton at February 28, 2017 08:43 AM (MuTTO)

560 My advice having trained 3. Wait till he's 3 if you can. Then it takes about 5 minutes. If you can't ditch the pull ups during the day. They feel dry. Buy 20 pairs of cheap sweat pants and when he pees in them, he changes them. Like any guy, that's a lot of trouble and he'll train himself toot sweet. I'm embarrassed in all the effort, rewards, timing, videos, stories, special underwear, etc I spent on the first one. All you have to do is let him feel wet. He'll get it right away. Posted by: dagny at February 28, 2017 01:38 PM (Mc+44) ===================== He'll be three in about 4 weeks and we need it done before May. I think he's almost there.

Posted by: TheJamesMadison at February 28, 2017 08:44 AM (vur0q)

561 >>Look the problem with Iraq is simple: No, it really wasn't and still isn't simple. If it were it would have been solved a long, long time ago.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 08:45 AM (/tuJf)

562 No, it really wasn't and still isn't simple. If it were it would have been solved a long, long time ago. Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 01:45 PM (/tuJf) ------------------------------------------------------ It is simple. A lot of people still think Islam has nothing to do with Jihadism. Hence: Religion of Peace...

Posted by: William Eaton at February 28, 2017 08:47 AM (MuTTO)

563 No, it really wasn't and still isn't simple. If it were it would have been solved a long, long time ago. Posted by: JackStraw Ah, yes, there's the problem. The idea that the US or any nation can 'solve' things.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at February 28, 2017 08:47 AM (4YGWz)

564 559 Look the problem with Iraq is simple: You either believe one of two things: Opinion 1: That establishing a democracy in a majority Muslim country, like Iraq, will be a benefit strategically to the U.S. That also means that you think Islam has nothing or little to do with Jihadism. Opinion 2: That establishing a democracy in a majority Muslims country, like Iraq, will not be a benefit strategically to the U.S. That also means that you think Islam has a lot to do with Jihadism. It has nothing to do with the leftist view of anything. It is about Islam itself. It is about Islam. I think the jihadism will be abandoned for wealth. I think it is the ONLY thing that will cause Islam to move its ambition and eschatology into the unreachable future.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 28, 2017 08:47 AM (CPk08)

565 Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 28, 2017 01:28 PM (4YGWz) I'm going to back pedal my earlier post a bit based on yours. Generally I am with you. We have no business being the world police, there are a lot of bad actors out there, and unless they represent a threat to U.S. interests or safety, I generally side with staying out of it, regardless of their atrocities. The catch on Iraq was that it went far beyond bad actor and committing atrocities within his own borders. He was providing material support to people who were committed to and had perpetrated attacks on American interests and American soil. Not only did all alternate actions fail but Saddam become increasingly belligerent. Bush made the point clearly- we will not distinguish between terrorists or the nations or individuals who harbor or suppport them. I agree with that policy 100%, with the full understanding that it's opening Pandora's box. There is also the strategic value in the overall War on Terror which cannot be discounted. One of the difficulties in dealing with terrorists in that region is logistics and the plethora of uncooperative and/ or hostile governments. A free, democratic Iraq ally would be a game changer strategically. Gaddaffi immediately became cooperative and ditched anything that could appear hostile because he didn't want to be next. We were far better off with that Gaddaffi than the guy we helped kill under Obama. Look at the consequences there. We would have a direct check on Iran and a base to chase down ISIS. Instead, ISIS got a buffer and got richer.

Posted by: Damiano at February 28, 2017 08:50 AM (71OEY)

566 >>It is simple. A lot of people still think Islam has nothing to do with Jihadism. Hence: Religion of Peace... I think that is diplomatic term designed to say to Muslims that not every one of them is a jihadist. The other option is to tell the billion plus Muslims in the world that they are all terrorists of a sort. Not exactly a winning position. There is no easy and simple way to do this as has been proved for decades. We tried ignoring them, got attacked over and over. Tried a war and while we won the war the media and the left gave away the peace. We'll see if Trump has any more luck.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 08:50 AM (/tuJf)

567 It is about Islam. I think the jihadism will be abandoned for wealth. I think it is the ONLY thing that will cause Islam to move its ambition and eschatology into the unreachable future. Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 28, 2017 01:47 PM (CPk0 -------------------------------------------------------------- I don't think wealth even will do it. Hence why wealthy Muslims tend to fund traditional madrases and Jihadist groups around the world, especially in the west. The best hope is secularization, but we cannot do that because our secular leftists love Islam as a way to bring about the great progressive revolution in the west. So western conservatives are forced to be for secularization in the Islamic world...how do you think that will work out. Maybe conversions might work...

Posted by: William Eaton at February 28, 2017 08:52 AM (MuTTO)

568 We'll see if Trump has any more luck. I am optimistic. Not very optimistic, but more than I have been in the last 9-10 years.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 28, 2017 08:54 AM (CPk08)

569 I think that is diplomatic term designed to say to Muslims that not every one of them is a jihadist. The other option is to tell the billion plus Muslims in the world that they are all terrorists of a sort. Not exactly a winning position. There is no easy and simple way to do this as has been proved for decades. We tried ignoring them, got attacked over and over. Tried a war and while we won the war the media and the left gave away the peace. We'll see if Trump has any more luck. Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 01:50 PM (/tuJf) ----------------------------------------------------------- Actually there is two other REAL ways which I forgot to add above in the other response. 1. Push for ethnic nationalism (see Kurds). Nationalism over religion is a way to reduce Islamization. 2. Secular dictators of any kind. Those are the only options that are doable now, so it is simple.

Posted by: William Eaton at February 28, 2017 08:55 AM (MuTTO)

570 >>I am optimistic. Not very optimistic, but more than I have been in the last 9-10 years. I am too. I think there is a growing exhaustion in the region and a desire from many for stability. And it needs to come from them and I think Trump gets that. Last time I was in the UAE there were nightly newscast about the Saudi and UAE action in Yemen. Doesn't get reported here much but they are taking it to the al Qaeda types. More of this needs to be encouraged.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 08:57 AM (/tuJf)

571 >>> It is simple. A lot of people still think Islam has nothing to do with Jihadism. Hence: Religion of Peace... ...... I don't thinks it's that simple. It's kind of a correlation is not causation thing. Yes, you don't get Islamic terrorists without Islam... probably. Nutcase are gonna nutcase and if you remove one excuse, they will find another. If I look hard enough at virtually any religion or system of belief and I am a batshit crazy homicidal maniac who thinks blowing myself up isn't a crazy idea, I will find some excuse to do it besides my own fucked up mind. I fundamentally disagree with the Leftist view of things being totally unrelated because racist and my professor told me now take me to my safe space... I also don't believe in painting everyone in possibly the largest religion on earth with the same brush when only a small fraction do crazy shit. By all means, profile. Mormons and Quakers don't tend to blow themselves up. That said, if someone clears the security check, lets acknowledge that not everyone who fits the profile is a terrorist.

Posted by: Damiano at February 28, 2017 09:00 AM (71OEY)

572 I don't think wealth even will do it. Hence why wealthy Muslims tend to fund traditional madrases and Jihadist groups around the world, especially in the west. The best hope is secularization, but we cannot do that because our secular leftists love Islam as a way to bring about the great progressive revolution in the west. So western conservatives are forced to be for secularization in the Islamic world...how do you think that will work out. Maybe conversions might work... Wealth and secularization of government go hand in hand. In order for those societies (not individuals) to become wealthy, they have to open up a bit, and once they open up, normative Islam, like most religious ideologies, fails the sniff test. We have to co-opt the rhetoric of the secularist left, and turn it against itself, because ultimately it is incoherent.

Posted by: Alcoholic Asshole Shut In at February 28, 2017 09:00 AM (CPk08)

573 I have a suggestion: The Damiano Doctrine: Everyone, without exception, is considered a threat until they voluntarily demonstrate compelling and verificable evidence to the contrary. Period. Mattis said it better, but he's a better man than I am. Shorter Damiano Doctrine: I hate and mistrust everyone equally.

Posted by: Damiano at February 28, 2017 09:05 AM (71OEY)

574 >>1. Push for ethnic nationalism (see Kurds). Nationalism over religion is a way to reduce Islamization. >>2. Secular dictators of any kind. We can push it all we want but we are never going to be able to fix Islamization from the outside. It will have to come from within. And there are examples of Muslim majority countries who either are largely peaceful and tolerant to a degree and those moving that way. Look at Jordan or the UAE or even Egypt under el Sisi (whom Obama tried like hell to keep out of power because the US never meddles with other countries political process). I just don't agree that it's as simple as you claim. We've been screwing around with the region for decades and actually created some of the countries you want to force to accept a more nationalistic approach instead of Islamic and equally important but rarely discussed tribal. Take a look at the Pakistani/Afghanistan border region. There are a lot of areas where tribe is more important than anything including Islam and nationalism and the border is a joke. We've only been trying to solve that problem since forever.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 28, 2017 09:14 AM (/tuJf)

575 Crap, there is something wrong with my dog and first appointment is at 5:40. I'll be nervous as a whore in church till then.

Posted by: dagny at February 28, 2017 09:57 AM (Mc+44)

576 The catch on Iraq was that it went far beyond bad actor and committing atrocities within his own borders. He was providing material support to people who were committed to and had perpetrated attacks on American interests and American soil. Not only did all alternate actions fail but Saddam become increasingly belligerent. Bush made the point clearly- we will not distinguish between terrorists or the nations or individuals who harbor or suppport them. I agree with that policy 100%, with the full understanding that it's opening Pandora's box. There is also the strategic value in the overall War on Terror which cannot be discounted. One of the difficulties in dealing with terrorists in that region is logistics and the plethora of uncooperative and/ or hostile governments. A free, democratic Iraq ally would be a game changer strategically. Gaddaffi immediately became cooperative and ditched anything that could appear hostile because he didn't want to be next. We were far better off with that Gaddaffi than the guy we helped kill under Obama. Look at the consequences there. We would have a direct check on Iran and a base to chase down ISIS. Instead, ISIS got a buffer and got richer. Posted by: Damiano Thx for the reply. A few scattered thoughts: Iraq dwarfed the threat that Pakistan and the House of Saud did and does. Not to drive the nail into the wood and through but, the 9.11 attack was entirely a offspring of both. Iraq had nothing to do with it. (Yes, we all know the blind sheik went to Badhdad. So fucking what? Still not enough to justify a predictably neutered mission. ) Those two countries are still counted as allies. I don't care why that's so, nor do i need to engage in any kind of conspiracy theory to underline it. Nor do I have to manufacture a reason for Bush's adventure in Iraq. I don't and that's why this critique is so cheap and easy, and embarrassingly missing from the GOP's debate book. There is zero. 0. evidence that avoiding the adventure would have resulted in a material threat to the US. Iran had been and continues to be a greater contributor to islamic-driven terror than Saddam had been. (Saddam had to manufacture his muslim bona fides with the flag stunt, remember? ) Yet, Bush didn't even sneeze towards Tehran. And we stupid fucks expected/hoped Obama would push the Iranian regime over the edge in 2012. Damn stupid of us. (Huge Hewitt was convinced in 2007 that we were going to launch an attack on Iran ... That worked out swell. )

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at February 28, 2017 11:15 AM (4YGWz)

577 Are you kidding? Texas's population is out of control, people are moving here like locust

Posted by: Gonzotx at February 28, 2017 11:44 AM (EYerH)

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