March 31, 2011

Update: GOP Insider Claims No Deal; Says Democrats Are Claiming A Deal In Order To Accuse Republicans of Backing Out and Shutting Down The Government
— Ace

You know, as a first thing, I think all of this government-shutdown stuff is mostly bark and no bite. 75% of federal employees will keep working and all the essential stuff (entitlement checks, military, pretty much everything except park rangers and other third-order stuff) keeps going. Resulting in savings during such a spell.

But as a second thing, a GOP insider says the "deal" is a lie.

“They are setting us up by saying there is a deal,” the source says, “so when there isn’t one by 4/8, they can claim they had a deal but we backed out.”

And the GOP has actually been saying that for at least a day, probably more than that. In an article published yesterday, Eric Cantor signaled that this talk of a deal was apparently only going on on the Democrat side of the aisle:

“Time is up here,” said the Virginia Republican, telling reporters that a short-term continuing resolution “without a long-term commitment is unacceptable” and that the leadership must push for the full $61 billion in spending cuts approved by the House last month.

“That is the House position. That is what we are driving for,” Cantor said. When asked specifically about a potential compromise framework that would restore about $26 billion of the House cuts, Cantor said he had no knowledge of those discussions from fellow Republicans.

“I have not been told by both sides that,” Cantor said. “So that is what I am saying. There is a difference in my knowledge base.”

Boehner's comments seem consistent with that:

Regarding the ongoing negotiations, the speaker said: “There are a lot of numbers that have been discussed and thrown around. The fact is there is not an agreement on a number and, secondly, nothing’s agreed to until everything’s agreed to.”

Yes, Boehner is talking a lower number (who knows what) but, he says, he hasn't agreed to anything.

Bear in mind that it takes two sources to confirm a story -- even if both of those sources are on the same team and can create a political advantage for themselves by claiming, falsely, a deal has been struck and it's the other side that's walking away from an honorably-negotiated contract.

I'm guessing that the media's sources for this deal are the Democrats they just love talking to. About movies, cute boys, how True Blood totally pwns Twillight... all sorts of things, gabbing and gabbing all night long.

Posted by: Ace at 06:09 AM | Comments (91)
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1 "There is a difference in my knowledge base.”

Based on this quotation, Cantor has turned into a typical congressional asshole.

Until they start speaking simple, clear English, and explain exactly what is going on, the American people will just think that it is two groups of politicians fighting about nothing.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 31, 2011 06:15 AM (LH6ir)

2 Democrats making shit up to suit their ends? Shocked, I'm just shocked.

Posted by: taylork at March 31, 2011 06:15 AM (5wsU9)

3 So, what the Dems are doing is completely transparent, everybody knows about it...and it's still going to work.  Wish I owned my very own watchdog media.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 31, 2011 06:15 AM (McG46)

4 Meh.  I'll believe it (either side) when I see it.  Politicians lie.  The same goes for the Dems and the Pubs.

As I said yesterday, I'm hoping for the shutdown at this point- prove to America that we don't really need those services.  Of course, to do that, they'd have to shut down the Government for at least 4 - 6 weeks, and probably longer.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at March 31, 2011 06:15 AM (8y9MW)

5 The best way to parse any story about Congress is that everything a single source says is a lie, except for the little bits of truth they put in to make things confusing. The only reality is what actually happens.

Posted by: joncelli at March 31, 2011 06:16 AM (RD7QR)

6

In other budgetary news, Boehner told Chairman Ryan to back-off on Social Security reform because the appropriators are getting nervous about their reelection chances. However, he is allowing him to go forward with Medicare and Medicaid reform:

"His plan reportedly would turn Medicaid, which provides fee health coverage for the poor and is facing a massive spending increase under President Obama’s national health care law, into a block grant program for states instead of a program administered in Washington.

On Medicare, the insurance program for senior citizens, Ryan would repace a system in which people pay in all their lives and then get government insurance to a system in which seniors would get vouchers to buy insurance on the open market."

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 31, 2011 06:18 AM (UO6+e)

7 Based on this quotation, Cantor has turned into a typical congressional asshole.

Meh.  The quote itself is clear: "I have no knowledge of that."  Having no knowledge, he can't just say "no, it's not happening," but he can indicate (as he seems to have done) that it's a bunch of hooey.

You just don't get very far (unfortunately) by actually calling out the Dems and saying, "No.  Mr. Reid is lying- there is no deal, there has not been a deal, at the moment it looks like there will be no deal."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at March 31, 2011 06:18 AM (8y9MW)

8

"Based on this quotation, Cantor has turned into a typical congressional asshole."

 

I was gonna say Vulcan.

Posted by: Lincolntf at March 31, 2011 06:19 AM (xMT+4)

9 "because the appropriators are getting nervous about their reelection chances." And there you have it. The root of all our troubles. The Recovering Republic is on a fast horse now.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at March 31, 2011 06:20 AM (T0S5U)

10 So the deal is Act 1, the $60 billion cut ... so let's vote on it in the Senate

Posted by: Porky Pig at March 31, 2011 06:20 AM (tvs2p)

11 @6 - Monty- thoughts on this?  Would this stave off DOOM! (presuming it was done with some urgency) long enough to build the political will to demolish SS?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at March 31, 2011 06:21 AM (8y9MW)

12 Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 31, 2011 11:18 AM (UO6+e) SS aside, that's actually a pretty good plan. But they do have to grapple with SS eventually. It's always close to election time in the House so they need to quit using that excuse.

Posted by: joncelli at March 31, 2011 06:21 AM (RD7QR)

13 Also from the Politico article:

House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) signaled Tuesday that moderate Democrats could step in — as they did weeks ago — and help Boehner if conservatives defect.

“My supposition is that we can get pretty close to doing that ... if you got the 180-plus Republicans that he got last time,” Hoyer said. “I think the answer to that is probably ‘yes.’ First of all, we don’t want to shut down government; B, we understand that cuts are necessary.”



Son-of-a.....


Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 31, 2011 06:22 AM (4dY5n)

14 And there you have it. The root of all our troubles.

True, but it does no good blaming the hurricane for the damage it causes- just pick up and rebuild.

The same here- the only thing we can reasonably do is get them on board for things that don't make them quite as nervous until they can be replaced with real budget hawks.

I wish I had a list of "the appropriators" so that we could start primarying them every election until we had someone more serious about the budget in those seats.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at March 31, 2011 06:23 AM (8y9MW)

15 The only moderate Democrats are the ones who are close to election time in swing districts. Right after election, every Democrat is a leftist.

Posted by: joncelli at March 31, 2011 06:23 AM (RD7QR)

16 You know what Boehner's nickname was back in the day?

The Blade.

Because he can cut a deal, any time, anywhere.

Posted by: EC at March 31, 2011 06:24 AM (GQ8sn)

17 So, the GOP totally didn't mean to hit me again last night?  It's just that I make them so crazy sometimes?  They still love me more than anything?

Posted by: Battered Voter at March 31, 2011 06:24 AM (mhmc7)

18 They can't do it. They can't do what is needed.

Posted by: eman: Japanese Babe Rescue Team at March 31, 2011 06:25 AM (T0S5U)

19

I still don't trust these fuckers at the GOP.  Sorry, but I'll believe this when I see it.  Until then, Boehner is still a spineless prick to me.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 31, 2011 06:26 AM (zgZzy)

20 Senator Ma'am is on tv wishing for a shutdown to blame on the repubs.

Posted by: huerfano at March 31, 2011 06:26 AM (2pEj7)

21 Expanding.

Posted by: A typical conservative voters squeak hole at March 31, 2011 06:27 AM (EL+OC)

22 17 So, the GOP totally didn't mean to hit me again last night? It's just that I make them so crazy sometimes? They still love me more than anything? Posted by: Battered Voter at March 31, 2011 11:24 AM (mhmc7) Baby, why do you make me hit you? Why?

Posted by: The Political Class at March 31, 2011 06:27 AM (RD7QR)

23 12 SS aside, that's actually a pretty good plan. But they do have to grapple with SS eventually. It's always close to election time in the House so they need to quit using that excuse.

The problem is that he can only do what the leadership allows him to do. Now, the fact that Budget is leaking the fact that Boehner is leaning on them signals to me that they might be trying to get support to rally behind them, but who knows. This is one of the reasons why I had hoped Rep. Jordan would rally behind Budget instead of keeping his mouth shut, because it might have provided more leverage earlier.

Still, block grants for Medicaid and voucherized Medicare is considerable progress. They are in the process of hammering-out the details, but the Budget Committee spokesman confirmed that the two basic ideas are a go. I just hope Boehner doesn't decide that it's too risky.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 31, 2011 06:28 AM (UO6+e)

24 Have I ever told you rubes that my favorite entertainer is Ike Turner?

Posted by: John Boehner at March 31, 2011 06:28 AM (zgZzy)

25 I just don't understand all this rhetorical masturbation on the part of the Democrats.  They know that no matter WHAT they say or do the MBM will spin any ill results against the GOP.

So why all the window dressing?

Posted by: Nighthawk at March 31, 2011 06:29 AM (OtQXp)

26 Deal. No Deal. Wouldn't matter.

The talking heads that spit venom for a living are biting at the chomp to say that Republicans have been dreaming about doing this since Obama took office.

It's always going to come down to them playing their 'Republicans hate the black man in office - oh and they want to kick Granny out on the street and make her eat Alpo' card.

Posted by: laceyunderalls has Redleg fever at March 31, 2011 06:29 AM (pLTLS)

27 Perhaps a veteran of such budget battles is coming to the rescue with some PR pointers. Thursday morning, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich met with the 87-member freshmen Republican class in a closed-door meeting.

Though Gingrich said a deal hadn't been met, he did offer advice on how to spin one if the GOP were to compromise, Talking Points Memo's Benjy Sarlin reports. Gingrich's advice? Blame the 23 Senate Democrats up for reeelection next year. "We need to make sure people understand that the House Republicans are really committed to very dramatic changes, but are limited by the reality and the Constitution," he said.


NationJournal

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 31, 2011 06:29 AM (4dY5n)

28 Posted by: Nighthawk at March 31, 2011 11:29 AM (OtQXp)

Because even the Media can't just say "It's the Republicans' fault" without sound bites to "verify" their take.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at March 31, 2011 06:30 AM (8y9MW)

29 Shut her down. Are voters seriously going to remember a shut down in 17 months, especially with unemployment at 9%+? I don't think so.

Posted by: taylork at March 31, 2011 06:31 AM (5wsU9)

30 Senator Ma'am is unhappy because the repubs plan to use demon pass.  Slaughter shouldn't have invented it if they didn't want it to be used against them.

Posted by: huerfano at March 31, 2011 06:31 AM (2pEj7)

31

14 ...I wish I had a list of "the appropriators" so that we could start primarying them every election until we had someone more serious about the budget in those seats.

The list is here at the House Appropriations website. Some of them are conservatives who still vote that way, but others sold their principles down-the-river when they discovered they could vote themselves money.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 31, 2011 06:31 AM (UO6+e)

32

The GOP should announce the Dems have made a deal to make the full 100 billion in cuts.

Two can place this game.

Posted by: Ben at March 31, 2011 06:31 AM (wuv1c)

33 The only real story here is the size of largest figure the GOP is touting: $61 billion. We'll waste that much on Libya by end of summer. A rounding error in the calculus of doom.

Posted by: George Orwell at March 31, 2011 06:32 AM (AZGON)

34

because the appropriators are getting nervous about their reelection chances."

And there you have it. The root of all our troubles.

That "trouble" is called Democracy.

Like it or not, an elected official who pisses off his electorate will probably lose his bid for re-election.  That's a feature, not a bug.

We can insist that they should be more concerned about the good of the country than their own political careers, but if they lose, it's a Dem that's going to replace them.  Anything the Republicans accomplish today can be undone by the Dems tomorrow.

Meaningful SS reforms probably aren't going to happen until we get more public support.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at March 31, 2011 06:34 AM (SY2Kh)

35 Because even the Media can't just say "It's the Republicans' fault" without sound bites to "verify" their take.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at March 31, 2011 11:30 AM (8y9MW)

True, but that's never stopped them from just making up whatever they needed in the past.

I think there is a considerable amount of jockeying for position in the Democrats' ranks that explains most of this.

Kind of like what jihads were before anybody needed oil.

Posted by: Nighthawk at March 31, 2011 06:34 AM (OtQXp)

36 DOOM is coming.  Trust me, I'm a doctor.

Posted by: Dr. Doom at March 31, 2011 06:34 AM (zgZzy)

37 If this truly was the Democrats' strategy, it is mind-numbingly stupid.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at March 31, 2011 06:35 AM (TpXEI)

38 the repubs plan to use demon pass. They do? I find that disturbing. Let's wait for a Republican to say that.

Posted by: joncelli at March 31, 2011 06:35 AM (RD7QR)

39 So why don't any of these GOP pussies just say, "The Dems are liars, and they are liars of the worst sort - telling stupidly transparent lies (just like their Indonesian Idol)."

The GOP has let Barky and the Dems run over them at every opportunity and the few times that a Republican would utter the truth ("You lie!") the GOP puss-machinery would jump into action and start pulling the shamnesty/birther treatment on them until they crack - as Jow Wilson did and as Joe Barton later did.  The Dems see it now as their Constitutional right to lie about the GOP and the GOP seems to agree.

We need to get rid of these GOP wimps and get some real people in those positions. I can't stand these cry-baby wimps anymore.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at March 31, 2011 06:35 AM (G/MYk)

40

We need to get rid of these GOP wimps and get some real people in those positions. I can't stand these cry-baby wimps anymore.

 

THIS!!!

Posted by: Dr. Doom at March 31, 2011 06:36 AM (zgZzy)

41 If Boehner sides with the appropriators over the budgeteers on discretionary spending for FY '12, I'll be deeply disappointed. But I've been worried about this for a long time because he has sided with the appropriators over the budgeteers for a long time now. He's been doing it since the beginning of this Congress, which is why he's received so much push-back.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 31, 2011 06:37 AM (UO6+e)

42 Ah, Washington! The stunning utopia where caving-in= compromise and broke is only a relative, theoretical concept that is unworthy of serious discussion. Ha! How can the country be broke when all the politician's checks keep clearing?!

Posted by: Damiano at March 31, 2011 06:37 AM (3nrx7)

43 the repubs plan to use demon pass.

They do? I find that disturbing. Let's wait for a Republican to say that.

You think Babs would lie?  That would be pretty extreme.

Posted by: huerfano at March 31, 2011 06:37 AM (2pEj7)

44

Shut her down. Are voters seriously going to remember a shut down in 17 months, especially with unemployment at 9%+? I don't think so.

Don't worry, we'll be sure to remind everyone that the extremist Republicans in the House were responsible for little Susie's class field trip to the Grand Canyon getting cancelled.

Posted by: The MSM at March 31, 2011 06:37 AM (SY2Kh)

45

Don't worry, we'll be sure to remind everyone that the extremist Republicans in the House were responsible for little Susie's class field trip to the Grand Canyon getting cancelled.

 

Maybe we can throw the Democrats into the Canyon, instead?

Posted by: John Wimpy Boehner at March 31, 2011 06:38 AM (zgZzy)

46 38 They do? I find that disturbing. Let's wait for a Republican to say that.

It's true. The Shutdown Prevention Act deems H.R. 1 passed if the Senate does not act by April 6th.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 31, 2011 06:39 AM (UO6+e)

47 38 the repubs plan to use demon pass.

They do? I find that disturbing. Let's wait for a Republican to say that.

Posted by: joncelli at March 31, 2011 11:35 AM (RD7QR)

They should do it and then use demon pass to pass a bill (non-retroactively) outlawing demon pass.

That'll learn 'em!

Posted by: Nighthawk at March 31, 2011 06:39 AM (OtQXp)

48 Whatever. It was still a tactical mistake to start the negotiations at $61 billion.

Posted by: Andy at March 31, 2011 06:39 AM (5Rurq)

49 I will gladly cut the budget Tuesday for some concessons today!

Posted by: John Wimpy Boehner at March 31, 2011 06:40 AM (zgZzy)

50

If this truly was the Democrats' strategy, it is mind-numbingly stupid.

Only if you ignore one key componet: a media establishment more than willing to carry Democrat's water. 2 Democratic sources say there is a deal - willing media announces their is a deal, GOP says "wait, we never agreed to that", willing media ignores this- shut down occurs, Democrats scream "GOP backed out - they hate you" and willing media carries this message.

Basically, it is what they (Democrats and media, but I repeat myself) did in 1995. The only difference today is 1) alternative media and 2) the public has even lower opinion of the media than it did in 1995.

Posted by: Mallamutt at March 31, 2011 06:40 AM (OWjjx)

51

They should do it and then use demon pass to pass a bill (non-retroactively) outlawing demon pass.

That'll learn 'em!

Heh.

Posted by: huerfano at March 31, 2011 06:41 AM (2pEj7)

52 Yeah, this is exactly where, Jon Kyle, announcing that he is kinda bored or something, by being a fucking US Senator leaves me fucking cold...

Really, grampa?

So nice of you, to be such a voice of reason, these past decades...

Choke on a bag of dicks, you coward!

Fuck you, for giving up!

Jon Kyl: Junior Senator from Arizona, Super-huge, Senatorial, fucking pussy, got rolled by Harry Reid and bailed when things got tough...

We, in Arizona, will remember you, Senator Kyl...

Coward!

Posted by: Deety at March 31, 2011 06:41 AM (Jb3+B)

53

It took a long time to screw this pooch so thoroughly. It won't be fixed quickly. The best we can hope for them to start turning the ship now. My only hope is that the GOP ties this upcoming budget to a BB amendment. That's when the shutdown will happen and both sides will go all in.

But if the GOP goes into the 2012 elections without having defunded Obamacare, they are toast. The base is royally pissed and not in the mood for the usual platitudes. 

The hardcore conservatives (like me, and most of you morons) will go 3rd party, and the Dems will win everywhere. Obama will win overwhelmingly and poof, we're Venezuela. 

Posted by: Log Cabin at March 31, 2011 06:41 AM (jShXB)

54 We need to get rid of these GOP wimps and get some real people in those positions. I can't stand these cry-baby wimps anymore.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at March 31, 2011 11:35 AM (G/MYk)


Meh.


Posted by: Boehner's Hepa Filter at March 31, 2011 06:42 AM (EL+OC)

55 So the Dems lie to the press, the press knows it is a lie, and the press repeats it anyway.

Same shit, different day. As I have oft said, freedom of the press is meaningless when they are nothing more than a lying bag of shit shilling for the communist party of America.

Posted by: Vic at March 31, 2011 06:42 AM (M9Ie6)

56 But still people, we are on the CR. Don't go hole hog on the Repubs in the House until we see what they do with their first full budget. That is supposed to come in May so it will not be long now.

Posted by: Vic at March 31, 2011 06:43 AM (M9Ie6)

57 Obama will win overwhelmingly and poof, we're Venezuela. Posted by: Log Cabin at March 31, 2011 11:41 AM (jShXB) So does that mean that all the women in the US will get that Latina booty? (What?)

Posted by: joncelli at March 31, 2011 06:44 AM (RD7QR)

58
heh, remember Bart Cockknocker Stupak?

I belong to Planet Fatness gym but a couple of days of week I go to the university's gym. So for the last few weeks I've noticed this goofy looking fucker in the gym who looks just like Bart Stupak.

It is Bart Stupak. He's a "fellow" at Harvard this semester. He gives lectures and shit in other professors' classes.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at March 31, 2011 06:44 AM (gM4zK)

59

The Hill: Dems consider proposing tax increases

Usual propaganda from the Senate Dems about how they've been trying to protect disretionary but those mean Republicans won't let them, so they want tax hikes in exchange for a FY '12 budget deal.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 31, 2011 06:45 AM (UO6+e)

60

It is Bart Stupak. He's a "fellow" at Harvard this semester. He gives lectures and shit in other professors' classes.

 

Make sure you don't wipe the seat after you do your curls and bench presses.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 31, 2011 06:45 AM (zgZzy)

61 This morning on Bill Bennett's radio program Ryan said they had a budget deal.

Ryan also talked about his proposed constitutional amendment which "limits" government spending to "only" 18% of GDP which makes him a dirty stinking RINO in my book.


Posted by: Scraping the Couric off my shoes at March 31, 2011 06:46 AM (F/4zf)

62 When asked specifically about a potential compromise framework that would restore about $26 billion of the House cuts, Cantor said he had no knowledge of those discussions from fellow Republicans. “I have not been told by both sides that,” Cantor said. “So that is what I am saying. There is a difference in my knowledge base.” Fucking weasel. I know what he's trying to do, which is not get caught with his pants down, so that he can't TECHNICALLY be on record as having misspoken (LIED!). It's self-serving, cover-your-assish, pussyboy dissembling, and it's fucking weak and disgusting. Here's how you do it with integrity: "I don't know, but I sure hope not. Our goal is to cut spending and slow this thing down before our debt drags us off the cliff into economic ruin. Meanwhile, the Democrats are busy trying to shovel as much money into the furnace as fast as they can. We're working as hard as we can to prevent the catastrophe that's coming. We haven't gotten a deal yet, but we'll let you know when we do." That's the type of integrity kick I'm on. Do you see where I'm coming from with integrity? Fucking punkass college boy.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff al-Amriki at March 31, 2011 06:47 AM (g6nyw)

63

I'm not so sure about most government employees working this time.  Rumor has it that the administration wants to furlough as many as they can to "make it hurt more" this time.  Whether it will hurt more - or at all - will be interesting to see.  The direction of blowback  - to the right or to the left - is still up in the air.

 

Posted by: TRO at March 31, 2011 06:48 AM (DZXKW)

64
I swear, the first time I saw him I was gonna say, "Hey you look like that guy from Michigan."

There's a story on yahoo last week about how Stupak is still getting "cussed out" at airports because of Obamacare. So haranguing him at the gym is a no-go because he's kinda used to it.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at March 31, 2011 06:48 AM (gM4zK)

65 56 But still people, we are on the CR. Don't go hole hog on the Repubs in the House until we see what they do with their first full budget. That is supposed to come in May so it will not be long now.

It's being released on Tuesday. Two confirmed aspects are block grants for Medicaid and vouchers to buy insurance on the open market for Medicare.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 31, 2011 06:48 AM (UO6+e)

66

"Don't go hole hog on the Repubs..."

Hole Hog? Is that like Meghan McCain?

Posted by: Log Cabin at March 31, 2011 06:49 AM (jShXB)

67 Dems about how they've been trying to protect disretionary but those mean Republicans won't let them, so they want tax hikes in exchange for a FY '12 budget deal.

That is the same shit they hooked Bush I on. Only at that time they controlled both Houses. The 2012 budget better be small budgets and it better be take it or leave it.

Posted by: Vic at March 31, 2011 06:50 AM (M9Ie6)

68
There's a story on yahoo last week about how Stupak is still getting "cussed out" at airports because of Obamacare. So haranguing him at the gym is a no-go because he's kinda used to it.

Posted by: Soothsayer, Republican Whip at March 31, 2011 11:48 AM (gM4zK)


Do it anyhow.  The man must never be allowed to forget his betrayal, his spinelessness, or his dishonor.  He ought to have to endure boos and angry rants for the rest of his days.

Posted by: KinleyArdal at March 31, 2011 06:53 AM (VMkqN)

69

>>> So haranguing him at the gym is a no-go because he's kinda used to it.

Bullshit.  It's called piling on and he needs to feel it..........forever. 

Tell ya what - next time you see that douche bag give him some shit for me OK?

Then you can tell him "Hey man, I didn't want to do it because I think you are kind of immune to it but these morons - well, they never let up"

Or something.

Posted by: Roadking at March 31, 2011 06:54 AM (KUZFd)

70 "But if the GOP goes into the 2012 elections without having defunded Obamacare" That's a guaranteed outcome on account of the Democrat Senate majority. Here's where the test takes place: will the House GOP have the sack to send the Senate a bill defunding Hellcare knowing they will reject it, thereby forcing Democrats to stand behind reckless socialized medicine? Odds say it will be a battle between those saying "Don't send a bill that won't pass" and those saying "Send the bill and make the Dems reject it." Guess which route the squishes will prefer.

Posted by: George Orwell at March 31, 2011 06:54 AM (AZGON)

71 What happened to the strategy of breaking up the budget into pieces and passing them one at a time?

Posted by: ManeiNeko at March 31, 2011 06:54 AM (TiE76)

72 TN: Presidential birth certificate bill dies in subcommittee

Rep. Rick Womick, R-Rockvale, was House sponsor of the birth certificate bill. He said it was inspired by constituents who doubt that President Barack Obama was born in the United States. Passage of the bill, he said, would "put this issue to rest," even though he personally believes Obama is a citizen.

"What this really boils down to is enforcing our Constitution," said Womick. "I think he (Obama) does have a birth certificate, and I don't think he's afraid to show it."

House Democratic Caucus Chairman Mike Turner questioned whether the bill was constitutional, since the federal government is in charge of federal elections. Womick said that it was, thanks to the 10th Amendment.

"I thought all this (controversy over Obama's birthplace) was dying down," said Turner. "I'm almost kind of stunned that this is up here."

Rep. Bob Ramsey, R-Maryville, who chairs the State and Local Government Subcommittee, called for a voice vote, then promptly declared the bill had failed.



Posted by: momma at March 31, 2011 06:54 AM (penCf)

73 But if the GOP goes into the 2012 elections without having defunded Obamacare

with Romney at the top of the ticket.   Bi-winning!

Posted by: Scraping the Couric off my shoes at March 31, 2011 06:56 AM (F/4zf)

74 I am also reading that the '12 budget cuts $1T from Medicaid, but I haven't seen confirmation of that exact number yet. 

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 31, 2011 06:57 AM (UO6+e)

75 "I don't know, but I sure hope not. Our goal is to cut spending and slow this thing down before our debt drags us off the cliff into economic ruin. Meanwhile, the Democrats are busy trying to shovel as much money into the furnace as fast as they can." No freaking kidding. That is about as anodyne and plain-spoken as anything imaginable in our current mess. But Cantor can't say that. Instead he talks about his "knowledge base?" Those were weasel words; he's hiding something.

Posted by: George Orwell at March 31, 2011 06:58 AM (AZGON)

76 71 What happened to the strategy of breaking up the budget into pieces and passing them one at a time?

For FY '11 or '12? Technically, discretionary budgets are to be broken-up into 12 pieces, and I expect that will happen with the '12 budget. But they are holding a majority of the details close to the vest. All they have released are the details RE Medicaid and Medicare and that Boehner said no dice to SS reform.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 31, 2011 06:59 AM (UO6+e)

77 75 No freaking kidding. That is about as anodyne and plain-spoken as anything imaginable in our current mess. But Cantor can't say that. Instead he talks about his "knowledge base?"

Those were weasel words; he's hiding something.

 

Cantor and Boehner are fighting about this CR, I know that much. He wants more, Boehner says he'll settle for less. So either he's covering for that conflict or something else.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 31, 2011 07:02 AM (UO6+e)

78

"But if the GOP goes into the 2012 elections without having defunded Obamacare"

"That's a guaranteed outcome on account of the Democrat Senate majority."

If it truly "guaranteed" that the GOP will slide on de-funding Obamacare, then we are done. Finished. No Hope. Doooooom!!!

So if you knew that you were destined to fail, wouldn't you rather go down in flames, fighting for principle, like 300? Do these Repub pols have no sack whatsoever? Or are they so deluded that they think the base will let them get away with caving in?    

Posted by: Log Cabin at March 31, 2011 07:04 AM (jShXB)

79 I belong to Planet Fatness gym but a couple of days of week I go to the university's gym. So for the last few weeks I've noticed this goofy looking fucker in the gym who looks just like Bart Stupak.

Oh, just shut the hell up!

Focus on your core, Soothsayer, and all will be fine...

As long as you breathe in, and focus on your  Psoas muscles, you too can snap the neck of someone who looks like Bart Stupak!


Posted by: Deety is all about posture! at March 31, 2011 07:04 AM (Jb3+B)

80 10 "because the appropriators are getting nervous about their reelection chances."

Really?  Disappointing them what brought 'em to the dance would be more hazardous. 

Posted by: pep at March 31, 2011 07:05 AM (GMG6W)

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 31, 2011 07:05 AM (UO6+e)

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 31, 2011 07:11 AM (UO6+e)

83 Cantor and Boehner are fighting about this CR, I know that much. He wants more, Boehner says he'll settle for less. So either he's covering for that conflict or something else. That's why he's a sopping wet pussy. Fuck the leadership. You want a test of who exactly supports turning this ship around? Form your own caucus. Look at all the freshman tea party candidates - there's your leverage. "Nut up or shut up, FNGs. We're going to form the Budget Slashburn Ballstomp Integrity Caucus. And we put some fucking starch in the party's spine, or we get them to admit that they value their cushy positions more than their constituents' hard-earned money." Every special interest group has a caucus. Black Caucus. Blue Dogs. Deaf-Mute American Indian Lesbos. Why not a caucus based on fiscal conservatism? A nice 70-seat bloc that'll keep the "leadership" honest. Why shouldn't the party have to suck MY dick for a change?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff al-Amriki at March 31, 2011 07:12 AM (g6nyw)

84 Focus on your core, Soothsayer, and all will be fine... That reminds me. Tell Bart I said he should work on his Kegel exercises. Because the way Obama busted his vagina on national television isn't gonna just heal on his own.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff al-Amriki at March 31, 2011 07:15 AM (g6nyw)

85 Fiscal conservatism already has a caucus of-sorts-- it's the Republican Study Committee. But outside of fighting Boehner in private, they have been largely absent in talking to the public. Moreover, their leader decided not to take part in '12 budget discussions for a reason entirely of his own.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at March 31, 2011 07:16 AM (UO6+e)

86 Update: Boehner: No Deal
Posted by: Miss'80sBaby


Playing down expectations about how much the House leadership can shape any potential deal, he noted, “we control one-half of one-third of the government here in Washington. We can’t impose our will on another body, we can’t impose our will on the Senate. All we can do is fight for all of the spending cuts that we can get an agreement to, and to spending limitations as well.” At this point, he added, he is “not very interested” in breaking with the conservative position with regard to the $61 billion in proposed cuts.


"Wah wah, I'm a victim, wah wah..."

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at March 31, 2011 07:26 AM (4dY5n)

87

When our government is spending 1600 BILLION more than it takes in, why in the hell are we only talking about 30 or 60 billion in cuts? Hey Boehner, they will call you extreme if you cut 25 cents from their sacred spending so you should start the bargaining at 1600 BILLION, not a measly 60. Can't anyone in the friggin party see this? A 3.75% cut is NOT SUFFICIENT to stem the boning!

Posted by: Schwalbe : The at March 31, 2011 07:40 AM (UU0OF)

88 We are *so* boned.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at March 31, 2011 08:18 AM (bxiXv)

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