December 31, 2010

Uh-Oh: Think Progress Frets "Proposed House GOP Rules Give Rep. Ryan ‘Stunning And Unprecedented’ Power To Shape Budget"
— Ace

Obviously what they fear we welcome.

I guess this might be "stunning and unprecedented." It's not as much as you or I might want, but it does seem that Ryan is going to have some serious power here.

The incoming Republican majority in the House of Representatives has laid out a series of changes it would like to make to the House rules, including replacing the current “pay-go” rules — which require all spending increases to be offset with spending cuts or tax increases — with a rule called “cut-go,” which requires that new spending programs — but not new tax cuts — be offset with spending cuts. The GOP has also proposed a new rule requiring that each piece of new legislation include a statement justifying the legislation’s constitutionality.

That’s not all, however. As National Journal reported today, “a little-noticed detail in the new rules proposed by House GOP leaders would greatly increase the power of Rep. Paul Ryan, R-Wis., the incoming chairman of the House Budget Committee.” Indeed, under the proposed rules, if the House and Senate do not agree on a budget resolution (a distinct possibility with a divided Congress), Ryan will be able to unilaterally set spending levels that are binding on the House, and any attempt to lessen the impact of these cuts can be ruled out of order.

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1 I like the potential outcomes if used properly, but it seems a bit too much power for one lone rep to wield.  Why couldn't the D's come back when they have the majority and allow one rep to set minimum spending levels to budget items?

Posted by: ef at December 31, 2010 09:27 AM (c7Pp2)

2 Tough shit, libs. Your free-spending days are, if not over, at least on hiatus.

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 31, 2010 09:27 AM (Ulu3i)

3

Here's hoping for the best in 2011.

Posted by: Bosk at December 31, 2010 09:27 AM (pUO5u)

4 Happy New Year!  maybe there is hope that the polotical class (or some of them) get it.

Posted by: some wench at December 31, 2010 09:27 AM (bqjJT)

5 They are actually complaining about a "budget that nobody has seen". Democrats never passed a budget because they didn't want anyone to know how much money they were spending.

Posted by: Don at December 31, 2010 09:28 AM (RiU19)

6 This kind of power in the hands of the Chairman of the House Budget Committee looks good when our guy holds the seat, but what happens if a Democrat holds the seat with that kind of power in the future?

Posted by: Speller at December 31, 2010 09:30 AM (J74Py)

7 Not increasing taxes = paying money to rich white guys who don't donate to left wing think tanks, cpacs, and causes

Cutting entitlement programs = making the poor pay for rich white racists limos and hunting lodges

Now you have Lefty Economics 101 learned

Posted by: Not Thinking Progress at December 31, 2010 09:31 AM (vdfwz)

8

I trust Paul Ryan, so do my dem. relatives, those that just DINOs at this point.

Posted by: johnc_recent_EX-dem at December 31, 2010 09:33 AM (ACkhT)

9 5 They are actually complaining about a "budget that nobody has seen".

Who thought up some crazy idea to pass a bill before you know what's in it?

Posted by: Granny Pelosi at December 31, 2010 09:33 AM (vdfwz)

10 This kind of power in the hands of the Chairman of the House Budget Committee looks good when our guy holds the seat, but what happens if a Democrat holds the seat with that kind of power in the future?

Uhh ... Soon-to-be-former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.

Boehner needs a cut-out to catch the flak.

Posted by: mrp at December 31, 2010 09:34 AM (HjPtV)

11 Let them try. How could anyone possibly defend that?

What makes you think they'd care enough about public opinion to bother defending it?  But how about "We are simply serving those hard working Americans who were neglected by the republicans by restoring essential programs and services to their necessary funding levels. There are better ways to work toward our future than on the backs of workers, the poor and their children."

Too easy

None of it needs to be tied to any reality for it to get great play in the MSM.

Posted by: ef at December 31, 2010 09:34 AM (c7Pp2)

12 WTF? -- I thought today was gonna be all movie trailer threads all day.

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 31, 2010 09:35 AM (7+pP9)

13 Dear Mr Soros,

The staff thought that hiring gay dancers would be great for the New Year's Eve party at the office. Could you advance us next month's stipend?

Posted by: Not Thinking Progress at December 31, 2010 09:36 AM (vdfwz)

14 This is great news, although it categorically disqualifies Ryan from any 2012 rosters simply because of the weight of his (soon-to-be) responsibilities. I am not saying that it is wise to put him in, but if no bankable candidate runs, a strong unexpected like Ryan, Christie or Petraeus, could be the only way to salvage the run.

Posted by: Igor at December 31, 2010 09:36 AM (pvGdP)

15 If they pass a budget, the question is moot.

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2010 09:37 AM (S5YRY)

16 Dude! My mom just called and said she can only send me $5,000 for my allowance next month when she usually sends $7000. I can't afford to pay for that allowance cut

Posted by: Ezra Klein at December 31, 2010 09:39 AM (vdfwz)

17 With great power comes great responsibility, Rep Ryan.  Use it well.  Quite frankly, if nothing is done about runaway gov't spending, we are all doomed. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 31, 2010 09:39 AM (9hSKh)

18 I'm going to call BS on the National Journal on their interpretation of the rule changes ...

Posted by: Jeff at December 31, 2010 09:41 AM (A3tpD)

19 Oh no! A fiscally responsible adult in charge of the US coffers! We're doomed to balanced budgets and a shrinking federal bureaucracy!

Posted by: red speck at December 31, 2010 09:41 AM (/vfpn)

20

Maybe. Just maybe my boys can protect the country.

Posted by: Ash at December 31, 2010 09:42 AM (ytoCE)

21 Suck it, libs.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at December 31, 2010 09:42 AM (UOM48)

22

We need to beat them senseless with the Constitution.  That's what it's there for.

Posted by: rdbrewer at December 31, 2010 09:42 AM (ytoCE)

23 16 If they pass a budget, the question is moot.

This news might make the Senate Dems more eager to pass the House's budget resolutions, else they get Ryan's unilateral budget, which a lot of Dems would look even less favorably on. 

This could potentially cause more gridlock!  Me likey! 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 31, 2010 09:43 AM (9hSKh)

24

Good. I hope Ryan does the right thing, which is namely everything he can to cause Dim heads to get all 'splodey and stuff.

Not that it would be hard to do. But he'd better have his speechwriters lined up and ready for the avalanche of shit that will come down on him from the Idiot Lefties who will start acting like the spoiled children they are when their toys are taken away.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 31, 2010 09:43 AM (b6qrg)

25

I'm highly confident that the GOP will allow a mere $1 trillion in spending versus the Democrats' $1.2 trillion request.

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 31, 2010 09:44 AM (7+pP9)

26 I love Paul Ryan. Happy New Year to All!! thanks for all the laughs I get from reading this blog. It has made the last year easier. The socks on this blog crack me up every single day.

Posted by: gesc at December 31, 2010 09:44 AM (9xbe+)

27

Let the games begin

 

Posted by: Ohio I've got a f'ing flu Dan at December 31, 2010 09:45 AM (YO7QO)

28 In the age of Obama, everything is unprecedented. I thought lefty's liked that.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2010 09:46 AM (TMB3S)

29

The GOP has also proposed a new rule requiring that each piece of new legislation include a statement justifying the legislation’s constitutionality.

As disappointing as the GOP can be, I must note that they want to tighten the leash on congress on the eve of their taking power in the House.

Congrads to Paul Ryan, and John Boehner.

Posted by: Cincinnatus at December 31, 2010 09:47 AM (Y7QDo)

30

 The 111th congress - led by Nanny McBotox Commie - spent more money than all of the previous congresses combined.

And the lefties are scared of Paul Ryan?  Fuck it leftists. Look in the mirror - you freaks are the most frightening idiots on the planet.

 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at December 31, 2010 09:47 AM (0fzsA)

31 I have to say, I wonder if this Pelosi character is a little over-the-top.  Is anyone THAT much of a villian?

Posted by: Emperor Palpatine at December 31, 2010 09:51 AM (Y7QDo)

32

 "The GOP has also proposed a new rule requiring that each piece of new legislation include a statement justifying the legislation’s constitutionality."

eeeek!  There's that pesky US Constituion again. 

 

We want our democracy now liberty kill now!

--The collective leftwing group-think.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at December 31, 2010 09:51 AM (0fzsA)

33 What's best about this is it would out the Republicans as chickens if they don't make some cuts. The Tea party will be watching...

Posted by: Meremortal at December 31, 2010 09:52 AM (9FqRq)

34 Giving Ryan that much power is unconstitutional and a blatant abuse of Congressional power. Completely unrelated, isn't having a Pay Czar who decides how much private citizens can be compensated awesome?

Posted by: Christiane Amanpour's Leathery Piss-Flaps at December 31, 2010 09:53 AM (ypWHs)

35 Funny, I don't feel stunned.

Posted by: frode at December 31, 2010 09:53 AM (fY/Qx)

36 Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL Budget Committee.

Posted by: blaster at December 31, 2010 09:54 AM (MrMxG)

37 Liberals go into an apeshit panic when they don't have unfettered access to your money.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at December 31, 2010 09:55 AM (vbh31)

38

Other than pouring private money into union/democrat coffers - what exactly did the Democrat Stimulus do?  hmmm leftists?  Oh yeah- y'all are cool with the corruption.

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at December 31, 2010 09:55 AM (0fzsA)

39

Perfect. Let's hope they follow through and do it.

Any Libs hypocritically whining about concentrating too much power in one man can go suck a thousand-year old egg.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2010 09:56 AM (ON0+x)

40 The GOP did this before in 1999. Meh.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2010 09:56 AM (+iY8m)

41

The Constitution is so annoying.

Posted by: Ezra's buttered balls at December 31, 2010 10:01 AM (0fzsA)

42 41 The GOP did this before in 1999.

Unpreci-what?  Anyway, this time we get Paul Ryan.  He may be a dud, but if I trust anybody to put the breaks on spending, it's him.

As to "what if the liberals do it"?  Setting general spending levels -- even if somebody like Rangel does it -- would be better than what we get now.

And I love the spending-neutral budgeting.  Exactly the way to go.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 31, 2010 10:01 AM (BvBKY)

43 Karma's a bitch.

Posted by: Aunt Cranky at December 31, 2010 10:02 AM (S/q5/)

44 Cue stories on starving gay blind homeless ADD children in chronic self-esteem crisis being cigarette burned by obese GOP fat cats.

Posted by: MFM at December 31, 2010 10:04 AM (+iY8m)

45 I know what this is. 

Posted by: Admiral Akbar at December 31, 2010 10:06 AM (MrMxG)

46 How come everything about the left is exactly backwards? 'Think Progress' is totally dedicated to maintaining the lefty status-quo. 'Unexpected' and 'unprecedented' mean 'totally expected' and 'happens a lot'. Liberal is now a synonym for 'facsist.' In a way, it makes things easier: assume they've come from Bizarro World, and everything they say, assume the complete opposite. On the other hand , when conservatives say something, they call a spade a spade. Think Progress is a bunch of lefty commie crybaby fascist-wannabe anarchist trust fund spoiled white brats -- ain't nothin Bizarro world about that statement.

Posted by: cali grump at December 31, 2010 10:06 AM (hL0k8)

47 This kind of power in the hands of the Chairman of the House Budget Committee looks good when our guy holds the seat, but what happens if a Democrat holds the seat with that kind of power in the future?

Posted by: Speller at December 31, 2010 02:30 PM (J74Py)

I hate this argument. Staying winning tactics on our part has never led to the left following suite.

We should be doing every damn thing we can think of to save what is left of the Republic.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 31, 2010 10:07 AM (7BU4a)

48 Liberal is now a synonym for 'facsist.'

H.G. Wells was calling for liberal fascism almost 100 years ago. Of course I guess that means Wells is some old guy we should ignore according to Ezra Klein.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 31, 2010 10:08 AM (7BU4a)

49

What makes you think they'd care enough about public opinion to bother defending it?  But how about "We are simply serving those hard working Americans who were neglected by the republicans by restoring essential programs and services to their necessary funding levels. There are better ways to work toward our future than on the backs of workers, the poor and their children."

Go a little slower while we write this down.  This is good shit.

Posted by: Congressional Democrats at December 31, 2010 10:08 AM (Ys0KI)

50 Notre Dame scores again! 21-0 at the start of the second quarter.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2010 10:09 AM (ON0+x)

51 I don't know if Rep. Ryan & his committee will be able to implement their ideas, but I'm a great fan of what I've read. The Dems are enraged more because their ability to spend like drunken sailors could potentially be hampered. Ryan is also a threat because (1) he's conservative and (2) he makes financial issues easy to understand.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 31, 2010 10:09 AM (RsCf8)

52 I have to say, I wonder if this Pelosi character is a little over-the-top.  Is anyone THAT much of a villian?

Posted by: Emperor Palpatine at December 31, 2010 02:51 PM (Y7QDo)

Darling, spot on. Depth and range, I mean, come on.

Posted by: Cruella DeVille at December 31, 2010 10:10 AM (7BU4a)

53 The true test is forever ridding us of these damn 2000 page bills. One fucking focused thing at a time and make sure everybody knows just what Mini-Mao will sign or veto.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2010 10:10 AM (+iY8m)

54

This is where having a strong GOP Chairman who could whip out his secret Progressive Decoder Ring©, stand next to a large easel, and point out all the damage that the previous Congress has done to the country like record unemployment, record high levels of poverty and people on food stamps, and stuff like that there, would be a good thing.

Not that that would happen, but it sure would be nice.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 31, 2010 10:12 AM (b6qrg)

55 if the House and Senate do not agree on a budget resolution (a distinct possibility with a divided Congress), Ryan will be able to unilaterally set spending levels that are binding on the House, and any attempt to lessen the impact of these cuts can be ruled out of order. --------- I don't like this. The house is supposed to represent the will of the people, not one man's district.

Posted by: jbarntt at December 31, 2010 10:13 AM (UNFot)

56 With great power comes great responsibility, Rep Ryan.  Use it well.  Quite frankly, if nothing is done about runaway gov't spending, we are all doomed. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 31, 2010 02:39 PM (9hSKh)

Dude, global warming and pollution n'stuff will kill us anyway, so let's eat, drink, and be merry with your money!

Posted by: Your Average Liberal at December 31, 2010 10:13 AM (7BU4a)

57 I share their concerns too. I am not so much concerned with this guy having the power but what about the next guy? We want guys like Waxman and Pelosi able to just decide the budget on their own?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 31, 2010 10:14 AM (61b7k)

58 I still suspect what we will see from all this is baby steps. The EPA and all the other alphabet soup agencies will continue on their merry ways taking our economy and nation apart.
 
The libs will whine, riot, and threaten over the teensiest changes because that will be their way of stopping more meaningful change.
 
I hope I'm wrong.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 31, 2010 10:15 AM (bvXGR)

59 We want guys like Waxman and Pelosi able to just decide the budget on their own?

Like they were restrained before?

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2010 10:16 AM (S5YRY)

60 Every House sets its own rules. Today's rules have no effect on the next or other future Congresses except as examples/precedents. The Majorities chairmen have always had a great deal of power.

Posted by: Have Blue at December 31, 2010 10:17 AM (mV+es)

61

Wow, the commenters over on that link are missing a few chromosomes.

It's full of stupid.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 31, 2010 10:18 AM (b6qrg)

62 Like they were restrained before?

Posted by: toby928™ at December 31, 2010 03:16 PM (S5YRY

Arguably the best way to restrain Democrats is to give them as good as they give.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 31, 2010 10:22 AM (7BU4a)

63

if the House and Senate do not agree on a budget resolution (a distinct possibility with a divided Congress), Ryan will be able to unilaterally set spending levels that are binding on the House, and any attempt to lessen the impact of these cuts can be ruled out of order.
---------
I don't like this. The house is supposed to represent the will of the people, not one man's district.

------------------------------------------------------

I agree.  Granted, Ryan is a very smart guy, but he still is a cheesehead.

Posted by: Billinois at December 31, 2010 10:22 AM (Iw5Dd)

64 Mua ha ha ha ha. Ha.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at December 31, 2010 10:23 AM (sQWnH)

65 Release the Unicorn Mugatu!

Posted by: President Hoops McMulligan at December 31, 2010 10:25 AM (GwPRU)

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 31, 2010 10:25 AM (RsCf8)

67 Isn't that like 5 interceptions by Notre Dame so far?

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2010 10:25 AM (S5YRY)

68 64 Wow, the commenters over on that link are missing a few chromosomes.

It's full of stupid.

Did you expect anything different from ThinkProgress readers?

I would be surprised if their comments were even a tenth-way reasonable.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at December 31, 2010 10:28 AM (9hSKh)

69

Das Kapital is over 100 years old.  Maybe Ezra can tell Obama to stop reading it.

Lets hope Ryan and the Republicans really put a leash on the crazy spending.

Posted by: Anna Puma at December 31, 2010 10:28 AM (tYHhZ)

70 Beating on the ACC is not proving fruitful.

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2010 10:28 AM (S5YRY)

71 or betting

either or

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2010 10:29 AM (S5YRY)

72 Another statement:

“The Federal government’s deep fiscal hole is the result of bipartisan failures over the years. Yet this past year, House Democrats oversaw an unprecedented breakdown in the budget process. After an explosion in spending and two consecutive years of trillion dollar deficits, House Democrats failed to even propose a budget for the current fiscal year -- the first time this has happened since 1974, when the modern congressional budget process was established.

 

“The Democrats compounded this budget failure when they also failed to enact a single spending bill for the current fiscal year -- instead, they passed a temporary spending measure that will not get us through the year -- it expires in early March.

“It now falls to the 112th Congress to develop a budget for the U.S. government, yet there is currently no budget enforcement mechanism to account for taxpayer dollars. Without a budget, the Federal government will continue to operate with no priorities and no restraints, while our fiscal and economic challenges continue to mount. 

 

“The proposed House Rules package includes a number of interim budget measures until Congress adopts a budget for the Federal government.  The proposal would give the Chairman of the Budget Committee the authority to file temporary enforceable budget limits.  This authority has been granted in the past.  The House granted this same authority to the House Budget Committee Chairman in the late 1990s.

 

“Congress bases its budget levels on Congressional Budget Office estimates and projections. We will not get CBO’s revised baseline projections until the end of January. When we get those projections, as outlined in the House Republicans’ Pledge to America, I plan to file a discretionary spending limit that would take non-security spending back to its pre-bailout, pre-stimulus spending levels. Other Federal spending and revenue levels will be established as outlined in the Congressional Budget Office’s forthcoming baseline, with the adjustments provided in the Rules package to prevent taxes from rising and to make possible a repeal of the costly health care overhaul.

 

“Voters in November soundly rejected the relentless spending and fiscal malpractice of the past Congress. Getting a grip on this year's spending is only the first step in addressing our long term budget challenges -- but it's a step we must take, and we must take it now."

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 31, 2010 10:30 AM (RsCf8)

73

What I'm really interested in is the ability of Ryan and the House GOP to starve executive agencies. What type of leverage do we have if Obama pursues his regulatory governance strategy. That's where I would like to see them play hardball. Call them into hearings, ask for the legislative authority to promulgate regulations, and if they provide an inadequate answer, strip them of as much power and funding as possible.

But I dont understand enough about the Xs and Os on how to do it.

 

Posted by: Swamp Yankee at December 31, 2010 10:31 AM (3DIBw)

74 What I read is that he has the power to cut or off set spending. Do you think the Dems whould cut or off set spending? Um, no. This is a good thing.

Posted by: Oldsailor at December 31, 2010 10:32 AM (AovJ3)

75 From The Hill: the Dems are seething

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 31, 2010 10:33 AM (RsCf8)

76

Did you expect anything different from ThinkProgress readers?

Well, no, but sometimes the stupid takes you by surprise in it's breathtakingnessism. I expected some verbal parry and thrust, but the outright denial of facts, figures, and reality over there was mind-boggling.

I am truly one spoiled Moron. The level of discourse here is exponentially higher than at any leftie site I've ever visited. Which is why I don't go to any of them.

I don't want their stupid cooties. And neither does my computer.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 31, 2010 10:35 AM (b6qrg)

77 So a real smart guy now has the power to do some good.

Failing to see the negative here unless one favors the kind of fiscal insanity we have witnessed the past decade.

Also:  Alas, Obamacare--we hardly knew ye.  And if I were the EPA or the FCC, I'd tread lightly for a bit.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 31, 2010 10:38 AM (gDbxE)

78 Fortune favors the bold.

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2010 10:39 AM (S5YRY)

79 *cough* bowl thread *cough*

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2010 10:41 AM (S5YRY)

80 One more thing:  NOT ONE MORE DOLLAR FOR EFFING CZARS OF ANY KIND.

It's time for Congress to act just a tad more constitutional and in doing so, force the executive to do the same.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 31, 2010 10:42 AM (gDbxE)

81 Why I'm not optimistic:

GOP goes all wobbly on Fannie and Freddie

Who said we should take it slow and be careful with reforming Fannie and Freddie because we don't want to break anything? Not Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., but instead, several Republican congressmen apparently abandoning their bid to reform the two government-sponsored enterprises (GSEs) in a mere two years. Apparently they're forgetting that voters weren't voting for a change of heart:

"We recognize that some things can be done overnight and other things can't be," said Rep. Scott Garrett (R., N.J.), incoming chairman of the House Financial Services subcommittee, which oversees Fannie and Freddie. "You have to recognize what the impact would be on the fragile housing market as it stands right now."

Alas, Garrett and other Republicans are now faced with the idea of Governing which mandates that they Moderate Their Tone and seek Bipartisan Consensus. At the Atlantic, Dan Indiviglio thinks positively:

The Tune Hasn't Changed That Much

In reality, however, Republicans' views on F&F and housing policy in general haven't changed that much. Even though there might appear to be a significant policy shift above, there really isn't. Republicans still broadly want to do away with the F&F. Most of those calling for their swift dissolution were on the fringe, and some of them won't change their view. More moderate Republicans will merely shift their expectations for how long it will take. Saying that F&F should be completely eliminated over a 10 to 15 year period versus a two to five year period isn't really a change of philosophy, but a tweak in policy.

Posted by: Ed Anger at December 31, 2010 10:43 AM (7+pP9)

82 I hope he is bold. He's never really been in such a powerful position before, and he's not used to being slammed by the libs (dismissed and scorned, yes, but not dirty tricks). So this will be a test for him, especially considering the Dems put someone on the budget committee just to get under his skin.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at December 31, 2010 10:44 AM (RsCf8)

83

Drew Hammill, spokesman for incoming Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), also criticized the rule change. He said the decision to cede power to Ryan "runs counter to the Republicans’ promises of transparency and accountability.”

Amazing. Simply amazing.

Posted by: Ronster at December 31, 2010 10:45 AM (Ikn3z)

84 69 Looking Forward to Righting the Federal Budget
Rep. Paul Ryan

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby

 

why I like Ryan so much. 

Posted by: Ezra's buttered balls at December 31, 2010 10:45 AM (0fzsA)

85 sock off

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at December 31, 2010 10:45 AM (0fzsA)

86

OK, 'rons and 'ettes, I'm off. And I'm leaving too. Gig tonite with two of my best buds, bass guitars and boots to polish.

Happy New Year, y'all.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at December 31, 2010 10:48 AM (b6qrg)

87 50 This kind of power in the hands of the Chairman of the House Budget Committee looks good when our guy holds the seat, but what happens if a Democrat holds the seat with that kind of power in the future?

Posted by: Speller at December 31, 2010 02:30 PM (J74Py)

I hate this argument. Staying winning tactics on our part has never led to the left following suite.

We should be doing every damn thing we can think of to save what is left of the Republic.

Posted by: 18-1 at December 31, 2010 03:07 PM (7BU4a)

 

 

 

this is what it comes down to... i'm gonna have to think about it.

Posted by: shoey at December 31, 2010 10:48 AM (yCH89)

88

Drew Hammill, spokesman for incoming Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), also criticized the rule change. He said the decision to cede power to Ryan "runs counter to the Republicans’ promises of transparency and accountability.”

Amazing. Simply amazing.

Posted by: Ronster at December 31, 2010 03:45 PM (Ikn3z)

Not really; they're still the same liars and grifters they've always been.  The question is will the GOPers get wobbly when they keep pulling this shit or will they fire back.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 31, 2010 10:48 AM (olKiY)

89

Still no football thread? Damn you all to pieces.

Posted by: Lincolntf at December 31, 2010 10:49 AM (ON0+x)

90 Just call him the "Budget Czar," and the Dems can't complain.

Posted by: nickless at December 31, 2010 10:49 AM (MMC8r)

91 "You have to recognize what the impact would be on the fragile housing market as it stands right now."

People don't need housing any more?  Let it bottom so people can bargain hunt.  Stop helping, it hurts. 

Posted by: Beagle at December 31, 2010 10:49 AM (sOtz/)

92

"Washington’s budget deficit has eclipsed $1 trillion in each of the past two years, and our national debt is threatening to spiral out of control. We have left ourselves and future generations far too dependent on our creditors, 40 percent of whom are foreign governments. Simply put, we are running the risk of national bankruptcy. This cannot continue.

By definition, a trend that’s not sustainable cannot continue—and we know that the current course is simply not sustainable. The housing market collapsed because too many borrowed beyond their means to buy homes they could not afford. Wall Street, too, irresponsibly built a house of cards with borrowed money and nearly brought the economy to a halt.

But now, massive spending bills and legislative overreach are recklessly transferring this risk and debt to Washington. Our government is setting itself up for yet another panic with painful economic consequences for all Americans.

The numbers are practically incomprehensible—trillion-dollar deficits, a $10 trillion debt, and tens of trillions of dollars in unfunded promises—but we all understand that the budget is in bad shape, and we need look no further than our television screens to see vivid, real-life examples of what will happen if we don’t act. In Europe, generations of welfare-dependent citizens are hurling Molotov cocktails because their governments can no longer fund their entitlement programs."

--Paul Ryan

 

The housing market collapsed because of people like Bill Clinton and Barney Frank who used the government to force banks to loan to people who are not in a position to pay it back. and Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick who skimmed millions and millions of dollars off the top at Fannie and Freddie and somehow they are not in orange jump suits.

 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at December 31, 2010 10:50 AM (0fzsA)

93 How 'bout this: No omnibus budgets. Each cabinet level department gets its own individual budget. Debate the important ones first and starve the others until passage of Defence, etc.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at December 31, 2010 10:52 AM (dYKl3)

94 Doctor Parkinson declared I'm not surprised to see you here
You've got smokers cough from smoking, brewers droop from drinking beer
I don't know how you came to get the betty davis knees
But worst of all young man you've got industrial disease

Posted by: Barney Frank at December 31, 2010 10:54 AM (tvs2p)

95 Elections have consequences. Bitches.

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at December 31, 2010 10:59 AM (HpT9p)

96 I won.

Posted by: john boehner at December 31, 2010 11:00 AM (S5YRY)

97 Please, Paul Ryan, just do it!

Posted by: The Economy at December 31, 2010 11:01 AM (QdxaI)

98 Thanks, Ace!! I came back from an afternoon of running errands to this news. Even a small chance that that bunch of buffoons in congress might actually do something to control spending is welcome. Now I'm going to start in on a huge screwdriver and go to youtube to play Glen Beck's tremendously, poor sport, gloating, "Happy Days Are Here Again' bit. Gotta let the screwdriver take hold to get the full joy

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 31, 2010 11:02 AM (uG7PE)

99 But David Frum said we are doing it all wrong

Posted by: Ben at December 31, 2010 11:05 AM (wuv1c)

100

"You have to recognize what the impact would be on the fragile housing market as it stands right now."

People don't need housing any more?  Let it bottom so people can bargain hunt.  Stop helping, it hurts. 

But I was promised a 3000 square foot home with 5 bedrooms and 4 bathrooms in the nicest neighborhood even though i live alone. It's in the constitution.

Posted by: Ben at December 31, 2010 11:07 AM (wuv1c)

101 How 'bout this: No omnibus budgets. Each cabinet level department gets its own individual budget.

How about this:  Budgets.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 31, 2010 11:09 AM (gDbxE)

102 Somebody's house must be on fire near me.  The sirens are making the dogs howl.

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2010 11:10 AM (S5YRY)

103
What's this now?

Changing the rules in the House is not cool?

But the Left is demanding that the Democrat-controlled Senate change the rules for the filibuster.

Posted by: Soothsayer3P0 at December 31, 2010 11:11 AM (i7Grp)

104

The Feds have fucked ALL of the Real Estate Markets. Residential, Commercial, even Ag land is totally stalled out. 

They are still leaning on Banks.   Forcing them to call in margins and forcing them to loan to unquallified borrowers.

Yet the economy doesn't seem to be turning around...go figure?

Posted by: garrett at December 31, 2010 11:13 AM (7qCPY)

105 Its Christmas all over again!

Posted by: **** at December 31, 2010 11:13 AM (MIaPf)

106

Oh what the hell is Think Progress whining about? 

They have their guy in the WH who is making Bush43 look like a piker when it comes to circumventing Congress and had control of the most prfilgate congress EVAH...so they can just cry me a fucking river over someone who might, might be able to halt these spendmongers from practicing their Divine Right to Spend Other People's Money™.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 31, 2010 11:13 AM (fLHQe)

107
how bout those Hurricanes?

Posted by: Soothsayer3P0 at December 31, 2010 11:14 AM (i7Grp)

108 You know what we need?

Real budget battles.

Today: The EPA vs. the NEA.  Two will enter, one will leave.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 31, 2010 11:15 AM (BvBKY)

109 Emperor Palpatine: "I have to say, I wonder if this Pelosi character is a little over-the-top. Is anyone THAT much of a villian?"

Why yes. Yes she is. She even drives my kindly, soft-spoken, Christian mother to swearing. I'd never heard her cuss in my lifetime... until the Progressives/Liberals/Democrats took over the 111th Congress. Now, I do believe Pelosi's first name is actually "That Bitch."

I hang out with morons, so colorful language isn't notable; but to hear it from a new source - and a very thoughtful one at that - is pretty jarring. I imagine there's a lot of this going around.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 31, 2010 11:17 AM (swuwV)

110 Today: The EPA vs. the NEA.  Two will enter, none will leave.
fify

Posted by: garrett at December 31, 2010 11:17 AM (7qCPY)

111 Actually, this isn't so much to restrain dems but to restrain RINOS and keep them from compromising with the dems.

Posted by: **** at December 31, 2010 11:17 AM (MIaPf)

112

But I was promised a 3000 square foot home with 5 bedrooms and 4 bathrooms in the nicest neighborhood even though i live alone. It's in the constitution.

Posted by: Ben at December 31, 2010 04:07 PM (wuv1c)

Yeah, promised by that nebulous heartstring-puller of an argument The American Dream of Homeownership™ peddled by shitstains who are fundamentally opposed to the very idea of private property. 

It's almost as nauseating as that Gap Between the Rich and Poor crap they like to trot out.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 31, 2010 11:17 AM (fLHQe)

113 how bout those Hurricanes?

Posted by: Soothsayer3P0 at December 31, 2010 04:14 PM (i7Grp)

And the galling thing is, at least one poll will rank them in the top 20 at the beginning of next season.  Because they're...ummm...Miami...or something.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 31, 2010 11:20 AM (fLHQe)

114 >>how bout those Hurricanes? They blow.

Posted by: JackStraw at December 31, 2010 11:21 AM (TMB3S)

115 "You know what we need? Real budget battles. Today: The EPA vs. the NEA. Two will enter, one will leave." Oh, gawd, that would be so fun. Put it on Pay per View, hire Tina Turner. WooHoo.

Posted by: nerdygirl at December 31, 2010 11:21 AM (uG7PE)

116 #112 how about they both die, then merge the Dept of Interior and energy. We will rename it, "If it doesn't move, drop a derrick on in and drill it and if it does move kill it and build a nuke plant in it's honor" Dept.

Posted by: Oldsailor at December 31, 2010 11:22 AM (AovJ3)

117

You know what we need?

Real budget battles.

Today: The EPA vs. the NEA.  Two will enter, one will leave.

Then we double cross the winner and kill them both.

Posted by: Ben at December 31, 2010 11:23 AM (wuv1c)

118

how bout those Hurricanes?

I don't think that Carolina is going to make the playoffs this year...but I could be wrong.

Posted by: garrett at December 31, 2010 11:24 AM (7qCPY)

119 "Today: The EPA vs. the NEA DOEd. Two will enter, one will leave.

Then we double cross the winner and kill them both."

Slightly modified Round 1 of a series. NEA money is gristle compared to the meat in the DOEd.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 31, 2010 11:28 AM (swuwV)

120 That headline makes me feel like I spilled Tabasco on my crotch!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at December 31, 2010 11:30 AM (LH6ir)

121 Georgia is looking good everywhere but the scoreboard.

Posted by: toby928 at December 31, 2010 11:30 AM (S5YRY)

122

That headline makes me feel like I spilled Tabasco on my crotch!

Oh, don't make excuses on our behalf...we're all grown men, here.

Posted by: Barney Frank at December 31, 2010 11:33 AM (7qCPY)

123 Slightly modified Round 1 of a series. NEA money is gristle compared to the meat in the DOEd.

I'm just the idea man, I have other people work out the details.

I'm the mirror-mirror version of Obama.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 31, 2010 11:34 AM (BvBKY)

124

This kind of power in the hands of the Chairman of the House Budget Committee looks good when our guy holds the seat, but what happens if a Democrat holds the seat with that kind of power in the future?

Who gives a shit? We're hemorrhaging money. Whatever it takes to turn off the spigots. Othewise we're fucked. You, me, your kids, your grandkids.

Besides, if they don't like it, then they can just pass a budget.

We have to get  over this idea that Republican restraint has any effect whatsover on the behavior of Democrats.

They lie, cheat and smear to accomplish their ends. Always. They respect nothing--not history, not fair play, not the Constituion, not rules, not even human life.

For God's sake, look what they did to get healthcare passed!

When will we ever learn?

Posted by: Warden at December 31, 2010 11:35 AM (HzhBE)

125 We really need to cut like there is no tomorrow. Starve the Beast failed, and we need to directly make cuts to spending.

Posted by: Doc Merlin at December 31, 2010 11:44 AM (MIaPf)

126 I agree with ef @1: not so sure it's a grand idea; Ryan won't be there forever.

Posted by: unknown jane at December 31, 2010 11:46 AM (5/yRG)

127 Honest to God,  anyone who thinks this is a bad idea must be not realizing what bad shape we are in.

I trust Paul Ryan and I do not trust the democrats or RINO's. Period.

Boehner did good with this.  And I am certain that Ryan is prepared for the crap that will be thrown at him.  He was absolutely fearless standing up to Obama in that meeting over the health care scam.

And forget about that "if we do this then the democrats will do it" argument.  The democrats do whatever they want whenever they are in power.  They do not need a precedent to do their sneaky and illegal crap.  They just do what they want.  So whatever we do has no effect on them.

Besides,  we should not be worrying about them getting back in power.  We should be figuring out ways to keep them out of power forever.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 31, 2010 11:47 AM (Fo83G)

128 not so sure it's a grand idea; Ryan won't be there forever.

Posted by: unknown jane at December 31, 2010 04:46 PM (5/yRG)

Our situation is critical. It's a new world--one we've never experienced.

Worrying about the next guy is like worrying that tossing baking soda on the grease fire in your kitchen will be really bad for your vacuum cleaner's filter when you have to sweep it up later.

Posted by: Warden at December 31, 2010 11:52 AM (HzhBE)

129
When the Democrats take back the House, they're gonna do whatever they want, anyway.

Posted by: Soothsayer3P0 at December 31, 2010 11:54 AM (i7Grp)

130 Actually, it is good that the GOP is doing this for reasons of precedent.

When the Dems do something similar (not if), we can at least point out that they are doing it not to restrain spending but to do something else.

Besides, the Dems naturally have enough party discipline to make this move moot.  The reason the GOP needs it is that we have a handful of guys who like pork more than restraint.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 31, 2010 11:55 AM (BvBKY)

131 We don't have much time left. Cut now or grab your ass and kiss it goodbye. Democrats are psychotic brats; they always squeal when they don't get what they want. Do what needs to be done and to hell with sniffling about precedent. Democrats don't need no stinkin' precedent. Plus, the GOP already did this in 1999, did that cause the Democrat rampages since then?

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2010 11:56 AM (+iY8m)

132 AmishDude: "I'm just the idea man, I have other people work out the details.

I'm the mirror-mirror version of Obama."

Let's not go nuts here. If you were the "mirror-mirror," you wouldn't have the ideas either. Someone would've authored them for you.

No, The Octagon Theory of budgetary control is a sound one. I'm comfortable with just about any program getting tossed into the mix... as long as there's more than one round.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 31, 2010 11:57 AM (swuwV)

133 AmishDude:  Good point.   We need to keep those porkers out of the budget.  They will fuss and fume on the sidelines,   but too bad. So sad.


Posted by: Miss Marple at December 31, 2010 11:57 AM (Fo83G)

134

Some ideas for cutting spending:

Defund the White House for the next two years.

Defund Michelle Obama.

Pass a bill revoking pensions and healthcare for Democratic lawmakers.

Seize all private universities and sell everything at auction that isn't fucking nailed down. Then raze the buildings and pour salt on the ground. Machine gun anyone who shows up to protest.

I'm open to any other ideas here...

 

 

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 31, 2010 12:02 PM (P33XN)

135 I'm not worried about the "what happens if their in charge" scenarios that are worrying some.  For one thing, they never follow the rules anyway.  The pay-go stuff has been a total joke.  For another, apparently the rules can be readily changed. 

Any background on what it takes to change the rules, btw?

Posted by: Y-not at December 31, 2010 12:06 PM (IDL9N)

136

If everything is set up pay-go, how come we owe so much money? Shouldn't the debt be at zero?

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at December 31, 2010 12:08 PM (P33XN)

137 Warden: "We have to get over this idea that Republican restraint has any effect whatsover on the behavior of Democrats."

This.

They're are Statists first, second, and last. It's what they do! It's ALL they do! You can't stop them! They'll wade through you! They'll reach down America's throat and tear her fuckin' heart out!

So, when conservatives get the chance, we better ratchet back as hard and fast as possible because the Statists aim to keep ratcheting forward no. matter. what. The country is failing, and the illusion that bipartisanship is the answer is a lie. This is a Statist's wet dream because it provides cover for the inexorable march to tyranny. This is war (and don't think it isn't just because the shift in power is without shooting) and conservatives have yielded too much for too long.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at December 31, 2010 12:10 PM (swuwV)

138 They're are Statists...

Posted by: Department of Redundancy Department at December 31, 2010 12:12 PM (swuwV)

139 Let them set all of the budget amounts. But keep that sweet constitutional thingy. Make it apply to every single dollar of spending. Most of the budget goes away immediately. WOW!! "Senator, please point to the part of the constitution that provides for the FCC, let alone the FCC's quest to control the internet?" It goes on and on. What's left? The military and a small contingent of staff in the white house. With the money we save, maybe we can buy out those promises made with Social Security funds ... on a one time cash basis. Medicare was never a promise and lock box anyway, so let people's tax savings pay for grandma.

Posted by: Mephitis at December 31, 2010 12:14 PM (ehXLT)

140 Fix the 80 year old ass fucking of this Country caused by the twisting of the Commerce Clause. Once that is done, the Federal Beast will deflate like a balloon.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2010 12:27 PM (+iY8m)

141 The Nice thing about the coming year is Lincoln, Bennett, Specter now join the ranks of the unemployed, at least their sorry asses will not have a place to rest on a chair in the Senate.

Posted by: R. Aurum Tar at December 31, 2010 12:59 PM (0uGRe)

142

Let 'em bitch about it.   If they had passed a damn budget, they wouldn't have to worry about this.   It's their own fault.  Tough Shit.   Take you lumps.  

Plus, the dems in the Senate are working on chaniging the rules about the filibuster.   They can't understand how the Repubs could block so much stuff they wanted to get through, even though they had a major majority.  What are they trying to do?   Make it so that, at least, 41 Senators have to agree on a filibuster, and the, at least, one has to be on the floor for the full 30 hours to continue it.  It's being pushed by the kos kids & all dem Senators have signed a letter to Reid asking for the change.   Reid says he understands.   Whatever the hell that means.

 

Posted by: Steph at December 31, 2010 01:02 PM (CUlig)

143 Damn, my typing sucks today.   Must be the booze.

Posted by: Steph at December 31, 2010 01:05 PM (CUlig)

144

Think Progress's panties are in a twist?  Best news I've heard today. Fuck 'em.

 

Posted by: Comanche Voter at December 31, 2010 02:58 PM (3ESDJ)

145

Seize all private universities and sell everything at auction that isn't fucking nailed down. Then raze the buildings and pour salt on the ground. Machine gun anyone who shows up to protest.

I'm open to any other ideas here...

 Posted by: Dack Thrombosis

I hope you mean public universities. The private ones are the ones that aren't government "managed".

Posted by: Toby the Beagle at December 31, 2010 03:23 PM (oREHE)

146 "We won."

        America to Dems

Posted by: Bill Johnson at January 01, 2011 05:37 AM (9X1+H)

147 With great power comes great wholesale fashion responsibility, Rep Ryan.  Use it well.  Quite frankly, if nothing is done about runaway electrical supplies gov't spending, we are all doomed. 

Posted by: wholesale at January 02, 2011 04:12 PM (9xr58)

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