February 29, 2016

Trump's Off-the-Record Interview With the New York Times: Is He A Lot More Flexible, and a Lot Less Hard-Line, on Immigration Than He's Telling Conservative Voters?
— Ace

Given that this is his signature issue, and the only thing I personally would entertain voting for him on, I'd sure like to know if this is true.

The New York Times can't release the off-the-record transcripts-- but Donald Trump could, and he could give them permission to do so.

Of course, I don't think he will.

Ben Smith, at Buzzfeed:

On Saturday, columnist Gail Collins, one of the attendees at the meeting (which also included editor-in-chief Dean Baquet), floated a bit of speculation in her column:


The most optimistic analysis of Trump as a presidential candidate is that he just doesn’t believe in positions, except the ones you adopt for strategic purposes when you’re making a deal. So you obviously can't explain how you’re going to deport 11 million undocumented immigrants, because it's going to be the first bid in some future monster negotiation session.

Sources familiar with the recording and transcript --which have reached near-mythical status at the Times -- tell me that the second sentence is a bit more than speculation. It reflects, instead, something Trump said about the flexibility of his hard-line anti-immigration stance.

So what exactly did Trump say about immigration, about deportations, about the wall? Did he abandon a core promise of his campaign in a private conversation with liberal power brokers in New York?

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"If [Trump] wants to call up and ask us to release this transcript, he's free to do that and then we can decide what we would do," Rosenthal said.

All candidates are taking a strategic position on immigration: Rubio is pretending that he'll actually secure the border before rushing to grant amnesty (he won't). Cruz is saying he is against legalization "now and forever." Trump is claiming he'll deport 11 million people before letting most of them back in through a Big Beautiful Door.

As far as the immigration hard-line goes, I imagine there's going to be some bargaining on this.

But I'd like to know just how flexible the guy running as a "deal-maker," the guy who says "you have to be a little bit establishment," is on his signature issue.

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Posted by: dealkiller at February 29, 2016 09:19 AM (eNtNY)

2 New York Times, there's a credible source.

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 09:20 AM (qHgBB)

3 However "flexible" he may be, he will always be a hundred times better than Hillary and a billion times better than Sanders. Their starting points will be to the extreme left. Trump may simply on occasion bend in that direction.

Posted by: zombie at February 29, 2016 09:21 AM (jBuUi)

4 We're going to get what we get with Trump and it's a lot better than what we would have gotten with the Liar and the Robot.

GET IT!

Posted by: CozMark at February 29, 2016 09:22 AM (CbGSW)

5 It's a no brainer that he's going to negotiate away most of the deportation, that's something that should be expected based on his initial position. I do believe he will attempt to build some sort of wall, and beef up border security, the deportation stuff, I don't believe anyone is serious about.

Posted by: Dr. Shatterhand at February 29, 2016 09:22 AM (n/ogz)

6 Oh, they'll release the off the record transcripts...just as soon as he wins the Republican nomination.

Posted by: Ken in NH at February 29, 2016 09:23 AM (6qAvd)

7 It reflects, instead, something Trump said about the flexibility of his hard-line anti-immigration stance. *presume don't support Trump signaling here - a nice turquoise signal this time* Well slap my ass and call me Nancy, I would never ever ever suspect that a person who has said publicly for ages that you stake out the maximal position on an issue in order to have room to negotiate would, get this, stake out a maximal position on an issue in order to have room to negotiate. The. Hell. You. Say. Don't get me wrong, I don't think Trump has positions or preferences or ideas or notions or thoughts as such or anything more than random synapse firing on this or any other topic. But c'mon. This is straight up Art Of The Deal crap.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 29, 2016 09:23 AM (mf5HN)

8 After the election I'll be more "flexible." wink, wink Sincerely, or not The Donald...

Posted by: donna at February 29, 2016 09:24 AM (/dSsq)

9 Trump might as well come out and say, "Of course I'm lying about my position on immigration, you mouth breathing morons. Whattya gonna do about it?" He'll still win the nomination going away.

Posted by: gewa76 at February 29, 2016 09:24 AM (9MbCY)

10 2 New York Times, there's a credible source. Posted by: Burn It Down What we're seeing here is professional-level "concern trolling." Of course the NYT wants Trump to be as flexible as possible on immigration; but they know that his supporters wont be. So the Times breaks out the fainting couch at the very thought he could bend! Oh, how shocking! They themselves of course don't mind. They're trying to dissuade his voters.

Posted by: zombie at February 29, 2016 09:24 AM (jBuUi)

11 You mean, flexible like those reports of Cruz calling around this week? The reports say he's willing to suspend his campaign for a promise of an appointment to the Supreme Court. Word is that Ruibio turned him down. There is going to be a lot of bogus stuff floating around, in an attempt to influence this election. Might be wise to withhold judgment until something more concrete comes up. (As in the case of the bogus David Duke endorsement. Looks like the media couldn't bother to actually ask Duke about it.)

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 29, 2016 09:25 AM (5HBd1)

12 Oh, politicians lie? Newsflash: Water is wet! Don't expect salvation from a politician. The same people who brought us Obama are bringing us Trump.

Posted by: Iblis at February 29, 2016 09:25 AM (9221z)

13 "If [Trump] wants to call up and ask us to release this transcript, he's free to do that and then we can decide what we would do," Rosenthal said.>>>

Not arguing for or against Trump. This seems like an odd position (or statement to print) for the paper to take if it wants to get any more Off the record interviews from anybody.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 29, 2016 09:25 AM (XtAzU)

14 Rapists and murderers... it's all a matter of negotiation

Posted by: wooga at February 29, 2016 09:25 AM (mV/kV)

15 Trump says things but they're always positions that can be changed. Many of them change pretty frequently already. This anti-immigration schtick is just one more.

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 09:26 AM (TxJGV)

16 What he is staking out a negotiating position that is a lot more than what he'd settle for in the final deal? Who would think he would do such a thing?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at February 29, 2016 09:27 AM (0q2P7)

17 The NY Slimes has a solid record of flinging poo at Republican candidates. And Buzzfeed? Yeah, another unimpeachable source.

I don't think Trump has ever called for a 500% increase in H1B visas, either.

When you know your opponent is leading -- and, in many polls, increasing his lead -- it's time to make insinuations about the size of his wang, accuse him of Mafia connections, and toss out vague hints that he not all he's cracked up to be. Especially when your editorial position leans toward keep the borders wide open.

Posted by: MrScribbler[/i][/s] at February 29, 2016 09:27 AM (D+xyy)

18 Heres how it works...

Them.... We want immediate Amnesty and MORE immigration...

Me... OK... I want to round them all up, and use a catapult to shoot them over the big huge wall I'm going to build...

Them... you can't do that! Big Meanie Head!!!  OK... lets let dreamers stay... and kick out the bad guys...

Me... no... OK... I won't use a Catapult... but they gotta leave.. and we'll let the nice ones back in eventually...

Eventually.... we compromise on actually USING the Existing Laws already on the books, which will force many illegals to leave... and give more resources to actually do it... with no Amnesty....

But the end result would be many less illegals in this country.

Its the Art of the Deal...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 09:27 AM (RK8AH)

19 I mean, couldn't We/They have found better Candidates....? I don't really like any of them... I am depressed...

Posted by: donna at February 29, 2016 09:27 AM (/dSsq)

20 Really, Ace?  Buzzfeed Ben?

https://www.google.com/search?q=Buzzfeed+ben+site%3Aace.mu.nu



Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian at February 29, 2016 09:27 AM (3dOE/)

21 I see this as a nothingburger. Even if he did tell the times he had some flexibility, I don't think it would matter. Trump has already signaled he would make deals. The best deals, great deals. This will not affect his standing on immigration with his supporters. Not with Sessions endorsement now. For me, I fully expect Trump to in no way deliver on immigration as his supporters think he will. To the extent a deal is made it will be worse than a deal that Rubio would make because a Rubio deal would be severely scrutinized. A Trump deal may not since it is a Trump deal.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 09:27 AM (gmeXX)

22 So the Times breaks out the fainting couch at the very thought he could bend! Oh, how shocking! *********************** The fact that he's been braying about suing them probably provided further incentive as well.

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 09:27 AM (qHgBB)

23 Per the Boston Herald, 16,000+ Democrats switched Party for tomorrow's primary. I had noticed that some of my lifelong Dem friends from MA who crossed the line for the first time to vote for Scott Brown were among the Trump early adopters.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 29, 2016 09:28 AM (2cS/G)

24 I don't trust Trump on any issue important to the base, his book is titled Art of the Deal.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 09:28 AM (TJCSB)

25 Well slap my ass and call me Nancy... Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches *volunteers* If possibly leaving himself some wiggle room on immigration is possibly disqualifying then everything Trump said this weekend should be absolutely disqualifying. But we don't live in that world anymore and nobody seems to be Trump-persuadable in either direction.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at February 29, 2016 09:28 AM (1xUj/)

26 Per the Boston Herald, 16,000+ Democrats switched Party for tomorrow's primary. And in the General election they'll switch right back to Hillary!

Posted by: donna at February 29, 2016 09:29 AM (/dSsq)

27 Listen I already told you--the wall is going to cost -- 8 Billion and Mexico is going to pay for it. I don't care what Vivica Fox says!

Posted by: The Donald Drumpf at February 29, 2016 09:29 AM (mcm0N)

28 Wait..... 12 Billion.

Posted by: The Donald Drumpf at February 29, 2016 09:30 AM (mcm0N)

29 He's as reliable on immigration as he is anything else. His "build a wall" line was a loss leader...that crazy thing you promote to get the marks on the lot so you can sell them. And when you get there it's all sold out.

Posted by: brak at February 29, 2016 09:30 AM (MJuTN)

30 Ace, you are an all-time pro at dissecting and mocking Internet political gambits. Do you not see that the NYT is concern-trolling you? You of all people should know that you're being manipulated by your sworn enemies.

Posted by: zombie at February 29, 2016 09:30 AM (jBuUi)

31 I am absolutly dumbfounded that anyone can belive anything that comes out of Trumps mouth.  Trump will run hard right to grab the Republican nomination and then pull hard left in the general.  Once elected he'll do whatever is in his best interests.  Trump will say anything to get the votes, that's what he does.

His supporters don't care that he doesn't actually believe any of it.  They just appear to like what they hear and cant be bothered to think about weather or not he'll actually follow through with anything.


Posted by: Dr. Mr. Badman at February 29, 2016 09:30 AM (KdPei)

32 We are well and truly screwed.

Posted by: Furious George at February 29, 2016 09:31 AM (3GAnN)

33 14 Billion.

Posted by: The Donald Drumpf at February 29, 2016 09:31 AM (mcm0N)

34 So what exactly did Trump say about immigration, about deportations, about the wall? Did he abandon a core promise of his campaign in a private conversation with liberal power brokers in New York? Golly gee whiz, Wally. Somebody could oh, I don't know, maybe ask some questions and then report what was said. There should be a word for that...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy[/b][/s][/u][/i] at February 29, 2016 09:31 AM (LUgeY)

35 I think people have to concede that if he's blowing smoke up our asses, then he's got pretty smart people fooled, including and not the least of which is Sessions. Sessions helped him formulate his immigration policy and advised him for months, there's even crossover in Trump's staff and Sessions' own. Unfortunately Trump can't tip his hand on how low he's willing to go otherwise he'd lose all leverage, so we'd have to guess where the middle would be.

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 09:31 AM (qHgBB)

36 Really good sidebar article laying out the difficult spot James Comey and Loretta Lynch, most Lynch, are in because of Hilldogger's lawlessness.

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 09:31 AM (TxJGV)

37 They have been promising to secure the border if we will only do one more amnesty.  They never do.  And when I say secure the border I don't mean build a fence.  I mean cut off all forms of aide to illegals and fine the crap out of people who hire illegals on first offense, jail them on second and above,

Posted by: Vic[/i]-we have no party at February 29, 2016 09:31 AM (t2KH5)

38 So, er... is bensmithing still a thing?

Posted by: They Can't Have My French Fries at February 29, 2016 09:32 AM (MDr17)

39 Trump can challenge in NYS and even win. I've been saying this for months. Upstate is part of Appalachia, and will vote accordingly. The polls in this story show Trump winning NYC suburbs. Key is low turnout in NYC, which is how DiBlasio got to be mayor because less than 20% of eligible voters bothered to show up. If you dig into Hillary's "impressive" beating of an old Jew from a snow state in the southern plantation of South Carolina, Democratic white turnout was down 40%, black turnout was down 20%, from 2008. Meanwhile Republican turnout was up a lot. This pattern can hold in the general. Hillary has high negatives which can be driven up, so her turnout will be down. Her core base is actually relatively small. So Trump can win Ohio and Michigan and Nevada and New Hampshire, etc. He already has a lock on Florida. Force Hillary to fight in NY where she's very beatable and it's game over. The NY Post story is by Fred Dicker who's the best journalist around on NYS political matters, so it's legitimate. But go ahead and beat on Trump, thinking that Cruz might have a shot in the general, and that Rubio is something more than a glib first term Senator who's sunk to the level of doing dick jokes.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 29, 2016 09:33 AM (r1fLd)

40 And the Mexicansare going to build it! I build things and you can't get Americans to build it--trust me on this. We might have to ship in some Pollacks!

Posted by: The Donald Drumpf at February 29, 2016 09:33 AM (mcm0N)

41 they will be leaked. this isn't obama praising terrorism.

Posted by: x at February 29, 2016 09:33 AM (nFwvY)

42 30 Posted by: zombie at February 29, 2016 02:30 PM (jBuUi) -------------------------------------------- They might still be right zombie.

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 09:33 AM (TxJGV)

43 32 We are well and truly screwed. Posted by: Furious George at February 29, 2016 02:31 PM (3GAnN) With no K-Y or reach-around.

Posted by: Iblis at February 29, 2016 09:34 AM (9221z)

44 I am wondering if tomorrow's results will clarify who the GOP nominee will be or just add more mud to the mix (i.e. Cruz wins 3 or 4 states, Trump wins the rest, Rubio in second place in all the states Trumps wins). In a way, I wish it would clarify the race because maybe then the GOP would turn its attention to destroying Hillary instead of its own candidates.

Posted by: IC at February 29, 2016 09:34 AM (a0IVu)

45 His supporters don't care that he doesn't actually believe any of it. They just appear to like what they hear and cant be bothered to think about weather or not he'll actually follow through with anything. ************************ Is it wholly possible at all to criticize Trump without insulting the intelligence of his supporters?

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 09:34 AM (qHgBB)

46 If this does exist, I'm guessin' that it'll stay under wraps until the general election (if Trump is the nominee), when it will then somehow leak out and discourage his supporters. OTOH, I'm beginning to agree that there's absolutely nothing that will get his supporters to drop him...

Posted by: Countrysquire at February 29, 2016 09:34 AM (eEBON)

47 This is sort of the same thing as Romney saying there is something lurking in Trump's taxes. If he doesn't release them, he must be hiding something. If he does release them, they will find something to hang him on. Anything. A donation. His income. The tax he paid. ANYTHING.

Same is true here. If Trump doesn't answer this call to release the 'whole interview,' the assumption will be he is lying about his immigration position. If he does release the interview, they will find something to hang him on. ANY fluctuation. Any word they can twist.

Look, I am totally okay if he says something about deporting them in 'waves' or deporting the worst ones first or allowing for illegals to leave and then 'come back in.' These are all fine with me. I'm also okay with him saying our goal is to deport them all, but with the court system being so clogged, it might be hard. All of these things are fine.

I still would like someone to explain why, if a man is getting a huge following for his immigration comments and other things, he would then get into office and completely betray that? Trump likes to be liked. Especially by the little guy. He talks about it all the time...how he gets along better with cab drivers and doormen. So this idea that Trump secretly wishes to betray all of the voters who are coming out in droves to see him just doesn't work for me. He would instantly go from a beloved candidate and president, to the most hated man in America. Sorry. Doesn't gibe with me.

Posted by: K-E at February 29, 2016 09:34 AM (OV2w5)

48 There's no one left for me to root for in this election. No one and nothing. I'm just gonna disengage. Not too thrilled with the Let It Burn concept either. I have children, nieces, and nephews

Posted by: Bat Chain Puller at February 29, 2016 09:34 AM (SCcgT)

49 And just food for thought...

 
All we need to do to solve the illegal immigration issue, is actually use the full force of Government to find and prosecute them for the laws they already break.
 
 
ICE should have access to the IRS database... State Officials should have access to Immigration records... and ID databases... so they can actively prosecute Identity theft.
 
 
Its also still a Felony to knowingly aid and abet an illegal to stay in this country.... so prosecute Sanctuary Cities for Conspiracy.
 
 
Its all possible under EXISTING Law, if we had a President and AG who would actually ENFORCE the law.

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 09:36 AM (RK8AH)

50 Does this... actually make him worse? If you're super isolationist/pro-deportation, I guess. If the only acceptable position for you is nothing less stringent than what Trump was saying, I can see how it's a bad thing. But even if he's willing to make a deal at some point, we don't know what his end point is. If (for the sake of argument), his real position is something like Cruz and he's just taking the hardline right now for the sake of getting a better deal, if you care about immigration, I don't think this realistically lowers him that much for you. You want some move to the right(?) on that issue. And Trump's public position at the extreme gives you the best overall outcome, because regardless of what he actually believes is necessary, the outcome is going to be closer to that than if you start off with a more modest goal.

Posted by: joe, living dangerously at February 29, 2016 09:36 AM (KUaJL)

51 I agree Trump could well take NY in the general. His ability to draw working class white voters is amazing, and changes the whole election dynamic. Just go to the 538 tool and play around with only that one category; all other things being equal, Trump doesn't have to increase the vote of very many working class voters to win.

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 09:36 AM (TxJGV)

52
Is it wholly possible at all to criticize Trump without insulting the intelligence of his supporters?
++++++++++

When his supporters don't seem to be able to notice that they're being had in a con?

Posted by: Dr. Mr. Badman at February 29, 2016 09:36 AM (KdPei)

53 The NY Times is an unbiased, reliable source, but I fear the endorsement of anti-immigrant extremist Sen. Sessions means that Mr. Trump is indeed a hardcore KKK member. I imagine Mr. Trump's henchmen will be planting stories like this to hide his white supremacist ties.

Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at February 29, 2016 09:37 AM (Ui7Rt)

54 Name an elected official that did 100% of what they promised on the campaign trail. Yeah...didn't think so. If Trump does 25% of what he says he will do on immigration, it will still be 10000% more than what the GOPe has done in the past 30 years.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 29, 2016 09:37 AM (0LHZx)

55 Not too thrilled with the Let It Burn concept either. I have children, nieces, and nephews. Cheer up. Maybe there will just be a flash, and none of us will even know what happened.

Posted by: gewa76 at February 29, 2016 09:38 AM (9MbCY)

56 I'm just glad Trump is going to release the secret 9/11 papers so we can know who really knocked down the Towers.

#FireCan'tMeltHair

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 09:38 AM (TJCSB)

57 Of course he is. We are being trolled for votes, but at this point I'd rather vote for someone who is at least acknowledging my issues. Maybe, if the stupid party realizes these concerns motivate a large block of voters then they will begin to address them. ... Then again it is the Republican party. They will be eating their cucumber sandwiches right up until the revolution sweeps them away.

Posted by: Chicago Vota at February 29, 2016 09:39 AM (mPQ7K)

58 When his supporters don't seem to be able to notice that they're being had in a con? Posted by: Dr. Mr. Badman at February 29, 2016 02:36 PM (KdPei) ********************************* So you think Sessions is an idiot too?

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 09:39 AM (qHgBB)

59 >>>I don't think Trump has positions or preferences or ideas or notions or thoughts as such or anything more than random synapse firing on this or any other topic. But c'mon. This is straight up Art Of The Deal crap. sure but if he's already told the NYT he means little of this that makes Cruz the actual hardliner on immigration.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 09:39 AM (dciA+)

60 Is it wholly possible at all to criticize Trump without insulting the intelligence of his supporters? ------------ Yes, but we are basically in a stalemate. You either support Trump or you don't. You aren't changing your mind now. I'm in the don't support camp. There is nothing I could say that would get people to switch their vote. I see no reason to insult people for being in the pro-camp. I can even understand it a little bit. But I think you all are dead wrong to support him.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 09:39 AM (gmeXX)

61 Things are going so great now, I'd hate to see Trump get in there and fuck everything up.

Posted by: Weasel at February 29, 2016 09:39 AM (6xtq3)

62 Didn't the NYT mischaracterize that supposed meeting with Rubio and the conservative media people? 

I don't believe any paraphrase by any NYT employee. 

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the 'Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat' label at February 29, 2016 09:39 AM (eytER)

63 *hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 29, 2016 09:39 AM (HSmrB)

64 I'm actually starting to think Hillary would make a better President than Trump the Clown in the sense that she'd cause less damage.  I mean, don't get me wrong -- she'd really, really, really suck.  But not as much as Trump, whose daily idiocy I will be challenged to defend at every turn.  No thanks.

And if you've lost folks like me (!) (seriously: !), just how the heck is Trump going to win?

17 candidates (17!), and we've picked the absolute worst one imaginable.

Posted by: Exile on Trump Street at February 29, 2016 09:39 AM (Y8P5w)

65 >>>Of course he is. We are being trolled for votes, but at this point I'd rather vote for someone who is at least acknowledging my issues. if only there were some other candidate who actually fought the Gang of Eight....

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 09:39 AM (dciA+)

66 Donald Trump is the perfect candidate... for me to poop on.

Wait... wait... someone already left that pile of crap on his head, I'd feel pretty bad about making things worse.

But seriously... he's terrible.

Posted by: Truimph the Insult Comic Commenter at February 29, 2016 09:40 AM (H9MG5)

67 Why yes, I would like to buy a poece of Trump Bridge to Awesomeness! Can I give you two credit card numbers for security?

Posted by: derit at February 29, 2016 09:40 AM (OC+TJ)

68 We'll know what Trump says behind the scenes and all of his other dirty laundry a day or two after he nails down the nomination. Probably later this week.

Posted by: Global Warming made Hillary a crook at February 29, 2016 09:40 AM (ZufZo)

69 Things will be just GREAT! just GREAT, I tell you. Now, don't you worry your little heads about the details.. I got it covered!

Posted by: Donald J Trump at February 29, 2016 09:40 AM (so+oy)

70 I say we elect Trump because he recognizes my feels, then hope for the best.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 09:41 AM (TJCSB)

71 His supporters don't care that he doesn't actually believe any of it. They just appear to like what they hear and cant be bothered to think about weather or not he'll actually follow through with anything. Because we don't give a damn what Trump believes. We care who Trump is - Not GOPe - and what Trump will do. Trump's already taken fire for taking our side and pushing the discussion in a better direction for America as a nation. He's making steps in the right direction, which signals Trump will do right by us. Will that play out? Who knows, but Trump's winning because he's already accomplished more than anyone else in the GOP field.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 09:41 AM (uURQL)

72 Vote SMOD and let the ejecta spray everywhere.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at February 29, 2016 09:41 AM (DL2i+)

73 He's a bit less flexible on Immigration than Rubio and Clinton, Ace.

Posted by: Mister Ghost at February 29, 2016 09:41 AM (8hxbD)

74 The Trump voters don't care. At this point they're so beholden to the personality cult that he could start sporting armbands and pass out brown "Der Trumpen" shirts at rallies and they'd scream for more.

Posted by: Sam in VA at February 29, 2016 09:41 AM (bNi5D)

75 Yeah, I am all for Cruz in the primaries but the fat lady is doing her vocal exercises. I will vote for him, but I expect it to be over by Illinois.

Posted by: Chicago Vota at February 29, 2016 09:42 AM (mPQ7K)

76 >>>I still would like someone to explain why, if a man is getting a huge following for his immigration comments and other things, he would then get into office and completely betray that? Trump likes to be liked. you just answered your own question, dude. There are more people buying into the liberal "be nice to the illegals" position than the hardline position. Ergo, someone who likes to be liked will be sorely tempted to please the larger bloc.

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 09:42 AM (dciA+)

77 NYT! NYT!

Posted by: votermom at February 29, 2016 09:42 AM (cbfNE)

78 I'm still hoping Cruz can take more than 50% in Texas.. that kicks in winner-take-all. 155 Votes that do not go to Trump would be a nice start in building a firewall against him at the convention.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 09:42 AM (so+oy)

79 >>>He's a bit less flexible on Immigration than Rubio and Clinton, Ace. but more flexible than Cruz

Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 09:42 AM (dciA+)

80 He's not going to deport all 11+ million illegals.

Just the ugly ones.

Only Beautiful People in Trump's Bigly Great America.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 29, 2016 09:42 AM (fQ/0p)

81
So you think Sessions is an idiot too?

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 02:39 PM (qHgBB)



Actually????  I see Trump / Sessions 2016 as the ticket that would cement the election....

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 09:42 AM (RK8AH)

82 he could be screwing us over.... he could be refusing to hand Hillarity a straight line that could amp turnout. He might realize that we don't have to embark on a deportation sweep. Enforce existing laws, tax the everluving fuck out of money going aborad, and deny benefits to illegals. Arkansas already showed the way on this. Do I trust trump? No.

Posted by: Blue Hen at February 29, 2016 09:43 AM (326rv)

83 Mark Steyn said something like this in December: "...my view of Trump is that he conducts politics as a business. In business, you open negotiations by saying you want $10 million and the freehold to the waterfront property; you settle for $8 million and the leasehold." Link: http://www.steynonline.com/7349/europeans-and-americans-on-the-rampage I don't see why this is a negative. What it really shows is that Rubio and Cruz are less savvy. Cruz is now meekly stating that he's in favor of deporting a few illegals. Where do you think he's going to end up after the Dems and Donors push back?

Posted by: joeclark77 at February 29, 2016 09:43 AM (wCzNQ)

84 " The Trump voters don't care. At this point they're so beholden to the personality cult that he could start sporting armbands and pass out brown "Der Trumpen" shirts at rallies and they'd scream for more. " Moronic troll...

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 09:43 AM (WnCSK)

85 "Trump doesn't have to increase the vote of very many working class voters to win" I did this on my own for NYS awhile back by county. 40% of NYS voters are upstate. Trump wins if (1) upstate turnout increases and it breaks strongly for Trump, (2) Trump wins NYC suburbs, which recent polls says he will, and (3) you have lower NYC turnout compared with 2012.

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 29, 2016 09:43 AM (r1fLd)

86 If true, why now?   Why does this leak the day before Super Tuesday?  Wheels within wheels.

You know what's funny?  I think the Times could lay out their evidence of equivocation and political posturing and Trump would then deny it or explain it... and he'd lose zero votes.

People are pissed.  Trump gets this.  He has said that since he started doing these rallies, he's been empowered and impressed by the folks.  That could be enough for a squish position to get firmed up over several months.  I have to believe his crowds and energy would firm up a spine a bit going forward.

Posted by: Yip at February 29, 2016 09:43 AM (e7T6D)

87 So Trump's playing us? Or is he playing the NYT? Or both?

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 29, 2016 09:43 AM (oKE6c)

88 All of my 9/11 arguments come straight from Manhattanite cocktail parties--but hey we gotta do what we gotta do.

Posted by: The Donald Drumpf at February 29, 2016 09:43 AM (mcm0N)

89 sock off

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 29, 2016 09:43 AM (mEZce)

90 sure but if he's already told the NYT he means little of this that makes Cruz the actual hardliner on immigration.  Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 02:39 PM

That's a damn big "if," ace. Even Ben Smith couldn't make his article really relate to the headline: "what Trump" told the NY Times" is not stated, not really even hinted at, and certainly not expressed in a direct quote.

Smith is trolling. Plenty of room there for reader interpretation; in fact, there's nothing else in the "story."

Posted by: MrScribbler[/i][/s] at February 29, 2016 09:44 AM (D+xyy)

91 I TOLD YOU YOUDIDNT LISTEN BUT I TOLD YOU I TOLD YOU ITOLD YOU NOW WE AREGONNA DIE NEXT TIME LISTEN TO ME ...BUT THERE WONT BE A NEXT TIME ITS OVER OVER OVER AND I WAS RIGHT RIGHT RIGHT

Posted by: Hutterite Dude[/i] [/b] at February 29, 2016 09:44 AM (ATy0Q)

92 Trump / Kasich or Trump / Christie

Posted by: Chicago Vota at February 29, 2016 09:44 AM (mPQ7K)

93 With he election 9 months away it is going to be a Cruel Summer.

Posted by: Bananarama at February 29, 2016 09:44 AM (XtAzU)

94 This is about a column, speculating about an interview. There are questions about what the interviewee meant. Has anyone asked the interviewee what he meant? Or are people going to assign their own meaning? Because if the latter then I don't need the columnist, the interviewer, or the interviewee. I can do it all by myself. Rather efficient, that.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet's specials in the weekly Firing Squad Circular! at February 29, 2016 09:44 AM (hLRSq)

95 His opinions change with the change of the audience, wait until he needs the uncommitted and the liberals

Posted by: Skip at February 29, 2016 09:44 AM (fizMZ)

96 17 candidates (17!), and we've picked the absolute worst one imaginable. Posted by: Exile on Trump Street Was he the worst of the 17? Some of them suck(ed) pretty damn bad. I watched a battle for the basement.

Posted by: Blue Hen at February 29, 2016 09:45 AM (326rv)

97 Alex the Chick said all that needs saying. Sure I want people who don't belong here gone. Or burdened with retroactive taxation and punishing fines and penalties. Such a level of dollars due they could never hope to repay in a lifetime. They'll leave then, quietly. Nobody really expects door to door round ups, do they?

Posted by: mega machines at February 29, 2016 09:45 AM (fbovC)

98 Do I trust trump any of the candidates, of either party? No.

Posted by: Blue Hen at February 29, 2016 02:43 PM (326rv)


FIFY.

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 29, 2016 09:45 AM (oKE6c)

99 Actually???? I see Trump / Sessions 2016 as the ticket that would cement the election.... Posted by: Don Quixote ............ Are you shitting me? Another old white guy..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 09:45 AM (so+oy)

100 So Trump's playing us? Or is he playing the NYT? Or both?
Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 02:43 PM


As far as this story goes, Trump's not "playing" anything.

Ben Smith is playing. With himself.

Posted by: MrScribbler[/i][/s] at February 29, 2016 09:45 AM (D+xyy)

101 MUMR sighting. And I lol'd.

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 29, 2016 09:45 AM (mEZce)

102 What some of you don't realize is that anyone that sits as president is going to have "make deals" with the establishment. And, yes, that includes Cruz.

Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 09:45 AM (Fmupd)

103 Is it wholly possible at all to criticize Trump without insulting the intelligence of his supporters?

If it was that person would be leading.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at February 29, 2016 09:46 AM (DL2i+)

104 but more flexible than Cruz I rate this comment 1000 teddie bears and 500 soccer balls.

Posted by: Mortimer [/i] [/b] at February 29, 2016 09:46 AM (ATy0Q)

105 You know who likes to be liked? That chubby poll chaser--Chris Christie.

Posted by: The Donald Drumpf at February 29, 2016 09:46 AM (mcm0N)

106 I'll gladly spin all these straw polls into fantastic golden border walls with big terrific golden doors. But first we've got to make a deal. A big wonderful deal. And believe me, I make really great deals. The best. So who's with me. Vote for me and I'll Make America Golden Again.

Posted by: Trumpelstiltskin at February 29, 2016 09:46 AM (H9MG5)

107 Trump's already taken fire for taking our side and pushing the discussion in a better direction for America as a nation. ------------------ Honest question. What fire has Trump taken?

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 09:46 AM (gmeXX)

108 79 >>>He's a bit less flexible on Immigration than Rubio and Clinton, Ace. but more flexible than Cruz Posted by: ace a We're getting all jumbled up in the primary-vs-general strategizing. Of COURSE I (and most people here) are going to vote for Cruz in the primary. But in all likelihood it will be futile. By the time I vote in June, for example, the race for the nom will likely already be over anyway. This article is based on the presumption that Trump will will the primary. The NYT is looking toward the general election already and trying to suppress Trump's support in November.

Posted by: zombie at February 29, 2016 09:46 AM (jBuUi)

109 There is nothing I could say that would get people to switch their vote. I see no reason to insult people for being in the pro-camp. I can even understand it a little bit. But I think you all are dead wrong to support him. ****************************** There's no better alternative. I wish people would stop acting like Jesus Christ resurrected Ronald Reagan and he's in the race again as a viable alternative to Trump. Rubio is a traitor, Cruz is unelectable. Anyone else you'd care to suggest? I remember being in the anyone but Romney camp. I absolutely could not stand that fuck, but I voted for him anyway. I will not do that ever again. No more establishment candidates, so I would either pull the lever for Cruz or Trump.

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 09:46 AM (qHgBB)

110 Donald Trump gave an off-the-record interview to the NYT and Buzzfeed is quoting Gail Collins?

Because when it comes to  facts and the truth about Republicans, Gail's the go-to gal for the straight skinny at the NYT.  /s

I wonder how it would play if Hillary staggered into a meeting with the NYT's op-ed board and gave them an off-the-record interview about her email server scandal.

Posted by: mrp at February 29, 2016 09:46 AM (JBggj)

111 Hillary would 'cause less damage'? Are you nuts? She already caused irreparable damage to our intelligence community with her secret server and classified documents leaked all over the place. She actively encouraged her staff to break federal law to get her those documents. And you think she would be BETTER than Trump?

You are 100% crazy.

Not only that, she ignored an Ambassador in Libya pleading for help. Imagine her in charge of the military, our weapons systems, the IRS, you name it...SCARY.

Trump is a businessman. Not a politician. He may be out for himself, but as he said in a speech not too long ago, "What's good for Trump is good for the American people." He is CORRECT. Even if all of his policies are completely predicated on benefiting himself, they will also help average Americans. So there is nothing that scares me about a President Trump.

I saw what Bill did to the presidency. The satellite technology he gave away to the Chinese. The selling of the Lincoln Bedroom to the highest bidder. Hillary is much much worse.

Posted by: K-E at February 29, 2016 09:46 AM (OV2w5)

112 Feel free, everyone, to realize you were way out of your depth when you raged about National Review. They were right about conservatism in 1955, right about in 2015. Or, ya know, you can choose to believe in Alex Jones' stories about Marco's "foam parties." I'm just hoping that Gary Johnson gets at least 10% of the vote this year, so something decent comes out of the destruction of the republican party and coming administration of Caligula's Horse.

Posted by: Leo Spaceman at February 29, 2016 09:46 AM (AcoCn)

113 Here's a real head-scratcher:

How would Bizarro Trump differ from the real Trump?

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 29, 2016 09:46 AM (wtvvX)

114 I expect Trump will disappoint his supporters if elected. Not only on immigration, but on the EPA, IRS, Department of Justice, Department of Education, Department of Energy, Supreme court nominees, climate change, deregulation. The second amendment might be safe, maybe. I have no idea what really matters to the guy and how much is just blather. On top of that, I don't think he has any executive ability or a team of competent people in mind who might help him.

I hope I'm wrong, and I certainly could be wrong, but that is what it looks like to me at the moment.

Posted by: charris at February 29, 2016 09:47 AM (s8M9z)

115 >>The Trump voters don't care. That is correct, sir. I see from your nom de plume you hail from the Old Dominion. If so, I will be cancelling your vote tomorrow, as long as the voting officials allow brownshirt-wearing Virginians into the booth...

Posted by: General Zod at February 29, 2016 09:47 AM (Bdeb0)

116 Do I trust trump any of the candidates, of either party? No. Posted by: Blue Hen at February 29, 2016 02:43 PM (326rv) FIFY. Posted by: Jay Guevara I'm Blue Hen and I endorse this FIFY.

Posted by: Blue Hen at February 29, 2016 09:47 AM (326rv)

117 Nobody really expects door to door round ups, do they? Melissa will corner the market selling spray bottles of anti-round-up door to door!

Posted by: derit at February 29, 2016 09:48 AM (OC+TJ)

118 "What's good for Trump is good for the American people." He is CORRECT. -------------- Um ... No.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 09:48 AM (gmeXX)

119 "Cruz is unelectable".

I find that assertion charming.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at February 29, 2016 09:48 AM (wtvvX)

120 None of this matters.

Obama is going to declare martial law and be preezy for life.

And if that doesn't happen, we're going to all get killed by a direct collision with Planet X.

Or there will be a fake hologram UFO/ alien takeover and we'll all be made slaves by the NWO.

Posted by: The Tinfoil Hat Crowd at February 29, 2016 09:48 AM (7FH+T)

121 I admit I am taking a second look at Sen. Ted Cruz. If extremist anti-immigrant Sen. Sessions worked closely with Cruz and then decided to throw his white supremacist endorsement to Mr. Trump, that probably means Cruz is less extreme than we previously thought.

Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at February 29, 2016 09:49 AM (Ui7Rt)

122 What if he was lying to the Times?

You know, I'm sure Trump is very, very familiar with how "accurate" the Times has been in reporting on his business dealings in the past, so I'm sure he spoke to them with all possible candor and didn't hedge or use language that suffers from specificity and detail.

OTOH, Trump is kinda dumb sometimes.

Posted by: RoyalOil at February 29, 2016 09:49 AM (fQ/0p)

123 Look republicans caused 9/11 it's simple. It has nothing to do with Clinton not properly responding to: The Khobar Towers The First Worl Trade Center bombing. The Bombing of the USS Cole. The Bombings of the US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

Posted by: The Donald Drumpf at February 29, 2016 09:49 AM (mcm0N)

124 59 >>>I don't think Trump has positions or preferences or ideas or notions or thoughts as such or anything more than random synapse firing on this or any other topic. But c'mon. This is straight up Art Of The Deal crap.

sure but if he's already told the NYT he means little of this that makes Cruz the actual hardliner on immigration.


Posted by: ace at February 29, 2016 02:39 PM (dciA+)


The hardliner who flip-flops on H1Bs, when he sees Trump making political hay out of immigration?  That hardliner? 

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian at February 29, 2016 09:49 AM (3dOE/)

125 I expect Trump will disappoint his supporters if elected. I expect him to disappoint me less than the GOP. He has a really really low bar to hurdle.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 09:49 AM (uURQL)

126 Posted by: K-E at February 29, 2016 02:34 PM

You don't really believe Trump gives a crap what people think of him, do you?  Trump is all about Trump.  He doesn't give a sh!t about this country or anyone in it.  He wants to be the big cheese, and he'll say anything to get that spot.  And besides, he so freakin' perfect, that whatever he does will be great.  Really, really great.  You won't believe how great it's gonna be.  That I can tell you.

Posted by: IrishEi at February 29, 2016 09:49 AM (E6RIJ)

127 " Really good sidebar article laying out the difficult spot James Comey and Loretta Lynch, most Lynch, are in because of Hilldogger's lawlessness." Article says that Lynch is being put in a tough spot, if Comey sends a felony criminal referral. But easy answer is for Lynch to leak it. The lede up top is "why shouldn't Trump tell the World about something he may have said to the NYT off-the-record." Why isn't any one insisting that Hillary say whether her or any of her minions have been interviewed or subpoenaed by the FBI/DOJ?

Posted by: Ignoramus at February 29, 2016 09:50 AM (r1fLd)

128 "On top of that, I don't think he has any executive ability or a team of competent people in mind who might help him." You must be joking. Sorry...which multi-billion dollar corporation do you run?

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 09:50 AM (WnCSK)

129 I don't trust any of these fvckers on immigration to be honest. But I trust Cruz (and even Rubio) more on everything else. So Trump's biggest appeal (immigration) is starting to make him look like everyone else. So the only thing left for him would be the weak form of GOP destruction. Trump's gruel is turning into weaksauce.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 29, 2016 09:50 AM (Wckf4)

130 Actually, Rubio does best in polling against Clinton, Trump does the worst.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 09:50 AM (TJCSB)

131 So very very schlonged.

Posted by: that guy that always thinks we're boned at February 29, 2016 09:50 AM (evdj2)

132 It means Trump wants to win and beat Hillary by siphoning off enough of her votes, too. He's going for it.

Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 09:50 AM (JOWmw)

133 Trump: Well, of course I'm a good friend of Israel. Look at all of the money I've given them over the years.

Trump, shortly thereafter: Well, of course I am not a good friend of Schumer, Pelosi, Reid, and the Clintons. Despite all of the money I've given them over the years.

Pretty clear that The Donald never took Logic 101 at either Fordham or Wharton.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 09:50 AM (noWW6)

134 Really?

Posted by: 4Q2 at February 29, 2016 09:50 AM (NQmg1)

135 > Do I trust trump? No. Trust? No. But what I like best about Trump? He pisses off all the right people.

Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at February 29, 2016 09:50 AM (IQI2h)

136 It was an off-the-record interview. Except for the portion the columnist released. Just that little tidbit. Certainly no other columnist will release any other little portion of that interview.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet's specials in the weekly Firing Squad Circular! at February 29, 2016 09:51 AM (hLRSq)

137 Don't need door to door round-ups. Estimate cost spent by federal gov't on illegal aliens / estimated number of aliens in US * number of aliens a company employed = federal fine Repeat at state and local level

Posted by: Chicago Vota at February 29, 2016 09:51 AM (mPQ7K)

138 "Actually, Rubio does best in polling against Clinton, Trump does the worst." This means absolutely ZERO at this point. We still have 5 candidates running so support is not solidified.

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 09:51 AM (WnCSK)

139 130 Actually, Rubio does best in polling against Clinton, Trump does the worst. Posted by: Dr Spank Ah, polls. Well, that's decided then. /s

Posted by: zombie at February 29, 2016 09:51 AM (jBuUi)

140 I'm back?

Posted by: Joe Mama at February 29, 2016 09:51 AM (NQmg1)

141 Donald Trump is Joe Biden with better more orange hair.

Posted by: Triumph the Insult Comic Commenter at February 29, 2016 09:51 AM (H9MG5)

142 The good news is Trump loves America. The bad news is he loves himself more.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at February 29, 2016 09:52 AM (TcePY)

143 >>But what I like best about Trump? >>He pisses off all the right people. If he's elected, pretty good chance he pisses you off.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 09:52 AM (/tuJf)

144 I expect Trump will disappoint his supporters if elected. Vote for us again; we can assure you that we'll screw you over. You racist, wackobird, teapartying peasants.

Posted by: The Stupid Party at February 29, 2016 09:52 AM (326rv)

145 I can't play in these threads anymore.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:52 AM (evdj2)

146 Nobody really expects door to door round ups, do they? Yes. I have it on good authority from right here at AOSHQ that Trump is in fact Hitler. Not a Hitler but the actual Hitler. Adolph in the flesh. For real.

Posted by: Mortimer [/i] [/b] at February 29, 2016 09:52 AM (ATy0Q)

147 You can't tell undocumented democrats to go home. That's not who we are.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 09:52 AM (WVsWD)

148 Hmmm....New York Times or Jeff Sessions? Who to believe. I guess I'll go with Jeff Sessions. Deportation is easy. Shut off welfare and other benefits and threaten jail time for employers hiring illegals.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 09:52 AM (TcGpp)

149 Donald Trump is Joe Biden with better more orange hair. ---------- After last night's Oscar appearance, its only a matter of time until Joe Biden jumps in.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 09:52 AM (gmeXX)

150 He pisses off all the right people. Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at February 29, 2016 02:50 PM


So does Cruz.

Posted by: IrishEi at February 29, 2016 09:52 AM (E6RIJ)

151 Wow at all the new nicks and hashes.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 29, 2016 09:52 AM (Wckf4)

152 An unnamed source quoting an off the record interview. Oh yeah sounds legit.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 29, 2016 09:53 AM (0LHZx)

153 I mean its almost as if they'll say anything, almost like maybe even lie just to get elected.

Posted by: Badda Bing at February 29, 2016 09:53 AM (gxIP7)

154 Not a Hitler but the actual Hitler. Adolph in the flesh. For real. The beautiful boys.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:53 AM (evdj2)

155 Ike deported 6 million with vacuum tube info technology.

Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 09:53 AM (JOWmw)

156 127 Why isn't any one insisting that Hillary say whether her or any of her minions have been interviewed or subpoenaed by the FBI/DOJ? Posted by: Ignoramus at February 29, 2016 02:50 PM (r1fLd) ---------------------------------------- You're like me, in fondly remembering the good old days when we still had a free press that liked scoops speaking truth to power.

Posted by: MTF at February 29, 2016 09:53 AM (TxJGV)

157 And while we're at it lets release the LA Times Obama/Rashidi tape Hahahahahahahaha......

Posted by: xnycpeasant at February 29, 2016 09:53 AM (TcePY)

158 "Actually, Rubio does best in polling against Clinton, Trump does the worst."

General-election polling this far out is astrology crossed with homeopathy.

At this point in 1980, what advance general-election polling would have predicted would be Poppy Bush as the nominee, losing to Carter by fifteen points.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 09:53 AM (noWW6)

159 Maybe that should what's good for the American people is good for Trump.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 09:53 AM (kTF2Z)

160 I find that assertion charming. ******************** It's the truth. He cannot win a general election, and I say that as someone who usually rebuffs the notion that someone is too conservative to win a general election. Cruz can't win not because he's too conservative but because his campaign sucks monkey's ass and balls, plus he doesn't have the know-how to overcome his perceived "unlike-ability."

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 09:53 AM (qHgBB)

161 "If I'm going to be disappointed, I might as well be amused" is the only reason I can come up with for supporting Trump. Not sure it's that bad a reason.

Posted by: Chicago Vota at February 29, 2016 09:54 AM (mPQ7K)

162 >>Deportation is easy. Shut off welfare and other benefits and threaten jail time for employers hiring illegals. Why would Trump adopt Romney's plan after calling it mean and stupid? Oh yea, cause everything Donald says has a shelf life of about 15 minutes.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 09:54 AM (/tuJf)

163 Yeah, lets ignore the polls, that's worked pretty well for us. And I'm not the one going on and on about Trump's electability, I'm responding to it.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 09:54 AM (TJCSB)

164 "Because we don't give a damn what Trump believes. " Yes we know. Policies don't matter, just what he says. That always works out well. "We care who Trump is - Not GOPe - and what Trump will do." Well if he doesn't believe in the things you think he does- like illegal immigration- how can you know what he will do? I mean he's already hired illegal immigrants, so why would he actually do something about that? "Trump's already taken fire for taking our side and pushing the discussion in a better direction for America as a nation. He's making steps in the right direction, which signals Trump will do right by us. " You have no idea if that is true, and based on world and Trumps history, he won't. "Will that play out? Who knows, but Trump's winning because he's already accomplished more than anyone else in the GOP field." He's accomplished nothing other than fooling a lot of people. It's the same as Obama.

Posted by: Patrick Henry, the 2nd at February 29, 2016 09:54 AM (jTy8z)

165 At this point in 1980, what advance general-election polling would have predicted would be Poppy Bush as the nominee, losing to Carter by fifteen points. **************************** Romney did the best in general election polling during the primaries. How'd that work out for us?

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 09:54 AM (qHgBB)

166 Maybe its me...I may want to be lied to. I need a therapist.

Posted by: Badda Bing at February 29, 2016 09:54 AM (gxIP7)

167 Actually, Rubio does best in polling against Clinton, Trump does the worst ______ Flashback to March 2008....McCain was beating Obama by 1-4 points depending on the poll. Good times, good fucking times.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 29, 2016 09:55 AM (0LHZx)

168 Anyone who would vote for Trump is no different than Occupy Wall Street. Just a different bunch of arrested-adolescent rage monkeys.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 29, 2016 09:55 AM (Kucy5)

169 Deportation is easy. Shut off welfare and other benefits and threaten jail time for employers hiring illegals. Why would Trump adopt Romney's plan after calling it mean and stupid? Oh yea, cause everything Donald says has a shelf life of about 15 minutes. ---------- This from the same guy who said no one would die in the street under his watch.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 09:55 AM (gmeXX)

170 "The service is not available. Please try again later." Has the war started?

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:55 AM (evdj2)

171 The "you're just voting for Trump because of your feels, you're being conned" schtick would ring a lot less hollow if anyone bleating it had an alternative. You don't. If I've said it once I've said it at least four or five times: reach out a hand to his supporters and help give them the constitutional ballast they are legitimately lacking. There is no one else. We are going to need more than memes and narratives to repair the republic and steer it safely through the next 5 years.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 09:55 AM (xuouz)

172 Don't need door to door round-ups. Estimate cost spent by federal gov't on illegal aliens / estimated number of aliens in US * number of aliens a company employed = federal fine Repeat at state and local level Posted by: Chicago Vota ............... Mitt was right.. you don;t need to chase down illegals or even fine them. You fine their employers.. big time.. $1000 per day per illegal. When they are all out on their asses with no jobs, they will leave.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 09:55 AM (so+oy)

173 "Yeah, lets ignore the polls, that's worked pretty well for us. And I'm not the one going on and on about Trump's electability, I'm responding to it." Responding irrationally....

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 09:56 AM (WnCSK)

174 Well Ace was right on about what a winner Mitt was. I'm sure he's dead on when it comes to Trump.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at February 29, 2016 09:56 AM (NHtMs)

175 Honest question. What fire has Trump taken? Whatever media frenzy he got remarks on illegals and the border wall (RAYCISS), "banning Muslims" (ZOMG RAAAAYCIS), lost business deals for his un-PC remarks. http://fortune.com/2015/12/17/donald-trump-deals-lost/ I'd expect some more fire on those same issues as 2016 rolls on. Even if he tries to do a 180, the media will still hold it against him according to the leftist/SJW playbook. I hope 2016 is the year of "Don't Care". (RACIST SEXIST CHAUVINIST HOMOPHOBE TRANSPHOBE YAAAAAARGH)

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 09:56 AM (uURQL)

176 169 Anyone who would vote for Trump is no different than Occupy Wall Street. Just a different bunch of arrested-adolescent rage monkeys. Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 29, 2016 02:55 PM (Kucy5) ____ Aww poor little Jeb supporter.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 29, 2016 09:56 AM (0LHZx)

177 Posted by: Chicago Vota at February 29, 2016 02:51 PM (mPQ7K)


$15K per year, per kid, is the average cost of education in this country...

 
 If they are not here legally, they are not entitled to it, and should have to REPAY that money....

The so called dreamers? 12 years of education?  Thats north of $150K they owe the American Taxpayer.

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 09:56 AM (RK8AH)

178 I question the timing

Posted by: Mega at February 29, 2016 09:56 AM (hHFOx)

179 You know who does a good crackdown? The Chinese. Did you see Tianammen Square? Now that's what I call ruling with strength. Tremendous strength.

Posted by: The Donald Drumpf at February 29, 2016 09:56 AM (mcm0N)

180 Has Rubio been given the once over by the MSM yet?

Probably explains why he's doing so "well."  And just what's the spread between him and Cruz against Clinton, anyway?

Posted by: VA GOP Sucks, proudly wearing the 'Andrew Branca Called You An Asshat' label at February 29, 2016 09:56 AM (PFy0L)

181 At this point in 1980, what advance general-election polling would have predicted would be Poppy Bush as the nominee, losing to Carter by fifteen points. **************************** Romney did the best in general election polling during the primaries. How'd that work out for us? ------------ Ironically, I advocated for Santorum because I thought the country was ready for a blue-collar progressive protectionist. Turns out I was right.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 09:56 AM (gmeXX)

182 Cruz had the attitude of a punk rocker and he blew it because he didn't embrace it completely. Imagine if Cruz smoked, had a tattoo, and a fondness for Cuban cigars. A guy that smart, that accomplished, AND a rebel? Game changer.

Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 09:57 AM (JOWmw)

183 Not a Hitler but the actual Hitler. Adolph in the flesh. For real. North Korea needs a classy dance partner on the world stage.

Posted by: derit at February 29, 2016 09:57 AM (OC+TJ)

184 "Anyone who would vote for Trump is no different than Occupy Wall Street. Just a different bunch of arrested-adolescent rage monkeys." Where did you get that line from?

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 09:57 AM (WnCSK)

185 17 candidates (17!), and we've picked the absolute worst one imaginable. Posted by: Exile on Trump Street ----------- We have? Trump has 82 of the 1237 delegate votes he needs for the nomination.

Posted by: RioBravo at February 29, 2016 09:57 AM (NUqwG)

186 You fine their employers.. big time.. $1000 per day per illegal. When they are all out on their asses with no jobs, they will leave.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 02:55 PM (so+oy)


Its already a Felony to knowingly hire an illegal....


 

We just need to ENFORCE the damn law.

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 09:58 AM (RK8AH)

187  I suspect that at this juncture in our history polls are essentially worthless. There are so many opportunities for systematic biases (both inadvertent and intentional) as to render the results meaningless. For example, how many people actually respond to telephone polls? How representative are those people? It is to laugh.

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 29, 2016 09:58 AM (oKE6c)

188 >>The "you're just voting for Trump because of your feels, you're being conned" schtick would ring a lot less hollow if anyone bleating it had an alternative. >>You don't. Sure I do. Cruz and even Rubio are more acceptable alternatives at this point. Rubio is worrisome on illegals and will have to be managed but Trump is all over the map on everything. It is intellectually dishonest to hammer Rubio for flipping on illegals but give Trump a pass of flipping back and forth, forth and back on issue after issue. The cure for bad candidates is not to pick the worst one.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 09:58 AM (/tuJf)

189 Responding irrationally.... Posted by: Skeezix


....with facts, try using them sometime.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 09:58 AM (TJCSB)

190 Pretty clear that The Donald never took Logic 101 at either Fordham or Wharton. ****************************** The argument would make more sense if he's given money to Palestinians or CAIR. If he's given only to Israel I don't see the where the logic fails. Interesting thing about Trump's donations. Up to a few years ago, he's given equally to democrats and republicans. In the past 10 years though, his donations have been lopsidedly Republican.

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 09:58 AM (qHgBB)

191 >>"If I'm going to be disappointed, I might as well be amused" It's a beautifully mutated reason, and much more interesting than a lot of what passes for rationale around here...

Posted by: General Zod at February 29, 2016 09:58 AM (Bdeb0)

192 The so called dreamers? 12 years of education? Thats north of $150K they owe the American Taxpayer. Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 02:56 PM (RK8AH) But, isn't being suckers really who we are?

Posted by: Hrothgar [/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 29, 2016 09:58 AM (wYnyS)

193 "Romney" I thought Romney would win by a landslide, so I make no predictions. Other than that Hillary will stroke out at some point.

Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 09:58 AM (JOWmw)

194 That's okay, because I think that it is Cruz supporters that are being duped. So there you go. But I'm not going to call his supporters names or talk about how tired I am of seeing his face. People have a right to their opinion. I don't find Ted Cruz noble or above politics. And this is more of the same from the GOPe, which is looking for a new front runner, even if they have to make things up.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 29, 2016 09:59 AM (5HBd1)

195 I came around at the very end to thinking that Rmoney might be the right guy for the country at that moment. An expert in turning around failing companies seemed like a good guy to try and turn around a failing country. The voters thought otherwise since he "didn't care about people like me". As though your local greengrocer lodge buddy would be that guy.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 09:59 AM (evdj2)

196 I'm still hoping Cruz pulls it off, but I'm beginning to focus down ticket, to put in guys to limit Trump's damage, and move the overton window right.

Posted by: Iblis at February 29, 2016 09:59 AM (9221z)

197 >>arrested-adolescent rage monkeys. In spite of your squealing, pleb, Mr. Trump has love for you.

Posted by: General Zod at February 29, 2016 09:59 AM (Bdeb0)

198 *children singing* So on that day When the train whistle blows And the dark boxcars push through deep, cold snows And the Mexicans are rounded up and herded into pens Trump/Hitler always wins

Posted by: A Public Service Message From The Society for Perpetual Trump-rage [/i] [/b] at February 29, 2016 10:00 AM (ATy0Q)

199 @173 You wanna know the reality? There are signs in the NYC subways threatening employers with fines if they "question a worker's legal status." At every turn we not only have the most obnoxious, uber lefty crap thrown in our faces but we are continually thereatened into giving up our rights to even defend against it (becoming "hate speech", "discrimination" etc). This is how a country dissolves.

Posted by: xnycpeasant at February 29, 2016 10:00 AM (TcePY)

200 "Why would Trump adopt Romney's plan after calling it mean and stupid?" Why did Ted Cruz adopt Trump's plan? By the way, those are my words on deportation, not Trump's. Maybe he has a way of getting the same results but in a different manner.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 10:00 AM (TcGpp)

201 I wonder how much Mr. Trump paid Phyllis Schlafly for her support? Everyone admires her, but I always thought she was unprincipled. She's no Olympia Snowe, I'll tell you that.

Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at February 29, 2016 10:00 AM (Ui7Rt)

202 "with facts, try using them sometime." Did I disput the polls you cited? No. Pay attention. What many of us said was that they mean nothing this far out when a single GOP candidate has not yet been determined. Perhaps you could try actually listening...

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 10:00 AM (WnCSK)

203 Rubio is worrisome on illegals and will have to be managed but Trump is all over the map on everything. ***************** Rubio will be managed alright, by his GOP-e handlers (and Schumer). He is the absolute perfect puppet with no capacity for individual thought. I can't take seriously anyone who suggests Rubio would be preferable to Trump. Cruz yes, but Rubio? LOL.

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 10:01 AM (qHgBB)

204 floated a bit of speculation ... near-mythical status at the Times... What does it all mean ?

Posted by: dDan at February 29, 2016 10:01 AM (hwYmz)

205 "Anyone who would vote for Trump is no different than Occupy Wall Street. Just a different bunch of arrested-adolescent rage monkeys" I'm pretty sure this line came from some talking nitwit at the daily show. I know I have heard it before.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 10:02 AM (WVsWD)

206 I wonder how much Mr. Trump paid Phyllis Schlafly for her support? Everyone admires her, but I always thought she was unprincipled. She's no Olympia Snowe, I'll tell you that. Posted by: Susan Olivia Cuthbertson-Klein at February 29, 2016 03:00 PM (Ui7Rt) My blood pressure was rising until I saw the name +1 2 u

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 10:02 AM (xuouz)

207 >>I can't take seriously anyone who suggests Rubio would be preferable to Trump. Cruz yes, but Rubio? LOL. That's ok. I can't seriously anyone who supports Trump at all.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 10:02 AM (/tuJf)

208 What does it all mean ? It's as baffling as a double rainbow.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:02 AM (evdj2)

209 Yes. I have it on good authority from right here at AOSHQ that Trump is in fact Hitler. Not a Hitler but the actual Hitler. Adolph in the flesh. For real. Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 02:52 PM (ATy0Q) Speaking of which: Oh what a beautiful morning! Oh what a beautiful day! I say for no reason whatsoever.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 29, 2016 10:02 AM (mf5HN)

210 I can't take seriously anyone who suggests Rubio would be preferable to Trump. Cruz yes, but Rubio? LOL. Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:01 PM

Poppin' Fresh laid it all down this morning: Dondi FTW!

Because "Real Conservative." Or something.

Posted by: MrScribbler[/i][/s] at February 29, 2016 10:02 AM (D+xyy)

211 Just not sure where. (forgot to add)

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 10:02 AM (WVsWD)

212 You people are going drive ace back to Twitter,

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 10:02 AM (TJCSB)

213 Well if he doesn't believe in the things you think he does- like illegal immigration- how can you know what he will do? I see that reading comprehension is hard for you. Do you think yourself cleverly persuading through words? The point was that his actions in the campaign cycle so far, and the cost he paid for those actions, are a more meaningful metric than a bunch of words about beliefs. Do you not get that GOPe words are worthless? I don't care how "right" they sound. The end result is ... Obamacare is passed. Obamacare still exists. Government spending grows year over year. PP funding is maintained. Illegals pour in over a porous "border".

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 10:02 AM (uURQL)

214 I expect Trump will disappoint his supporters if elected. Not only on immigration, but on the EPA, IRS, Department of Justice, Department of Education, Department of Energy, Supreme court nominees, climate change, deregulation. How is that any different than the last 30 years?

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at February 29, 2016 10:03 AM (+058L)

215 Insulting the intelligence of least 49% (acc. to the latest CNN poll) of your party and comparing them to retarded commies is the greatest way of capture hearts and minds, no? Posted by: Jorje Wille at February 29, 2016 02:58 PM (vClpM) ****************** Here's a fact that will cause more raging strokes: Trump garners 58% of the base if it became a two man race between him and Cruz or him and Rubio (the polls were nearly identical). The rest of the 42% read articles by Jennifer Rubin.

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 10:03 AM (qHgBB)

216 Is it safe?

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:03 AM (evdj2)

217 Its already a Felony to knowingly hire an illegal.... We just need to ENFORCE the damn law. Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 02:58 PM (RK8AH) ------------------- And who is it in government that's charged with enforcing the law? *looks through Constitution* OMG, it's the president.

Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 10:03 AM (Fmupd)

218 The point was that his actions in the campaign cycle so far, and the cost he paid for those actions, are a more meaningful metric than a bunch of words about beliefs. ------------ I guess I question whether Trump has paid a price at all. I agree the metric is meaningful. I just question that Trump has paid any sort of cost.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 10:04 AM (gmeXX)

219 "I don't find Ted Cruz noble or above politics." Same here. The guy calling Trump a mafia-supporting, KKK member and by proxy his supporters isn't noble. The Cuban Cruzio twins are as sleazy and two-faced open border globalists.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 10:04 AM (TcGpp)

220 169 Anyone who would vote for Trump is no different than Occupy Wall Street. Just a different bunch of arrested-adolescent rage monkeys.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 29, 2016 02:55 PM (Kucy5)

 
 Hmmmm.....

 
25 years ago today I was sitting on a Destroyer in the Persian Gulf, right in the middle of Desert Storm....
 
I'm a 56 year old, Ret US Navy, IT Professional, who raised two kids on his own....

 
I support Trump....

 
 Your constant drumbeat of insults to those who differ politically from you.... are tiresome.... and will not gain support...

 
 A couple of months ago, there was a blowout about THIS EXACT TYPE OF CHARACTERIZATION....  I had thought a new rule was in place to stop it...
 
 Apparently.... not...
 
 

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 10:04 AM (RK8AH)

221 "He cannot win a general election, and I say that as someone who usually rebuffs the notion that someone is too conservative to win a general election. Cruz can't win not because he's too conservative but because his campaign sucks monkey's ass and balls"

What, hiring a former Todd Akin guy as comms director wasn't smart?

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 10:04 AM (noWW6)

222 #206

near-mythical status at the Times...


What does it all mean ?
======================

What a great question.  I mean that, too.

It means the interview is nearly as mythical as the Easter Bunny.

Posted by: mrp at February 29, 2016 10:04 AM (JBggj)

223 @214 Dr Spank You sir are entitled to one chicken dinner. Back to work...

Posted by: xnycpeasant at February 29, 2016 10:04 AM (TcePY)

224 So Rubio said Trump has a teenie weenie? huh.

Posted by: Badda Bing at February 29, 2016 10:05 AM (gxIP7)

225 'm still hoping Cruz pulls it off, but I'm beginning to focus down ticket, to put in guys to limit Trump's damage, and move the overton window right.

Posted by: Iblis at February 29, 2016 02:59 PM (9221z)

Well you will know tomorrow. Trump actually has a chance to win Texas.

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 29, 2016 10:05 AM (QPdNE)

226 I get a feeling that this thread is about to erupt like a shit volcano.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 29, 2016 10:05 AM (Wckf4)

227 I find your serf-like support for "popular sovereignty" highly amusant.

Posted by: Lord Obama at February 29, 2016 10:05 AM (JOWmw)

228 I love what VDH writes about Obama as lame duck in the side bar. He's basically achieving nothing, but posing so the newspapers think he's cool while doing it. His greatest accomplishment (the ACA) was a disaster so awful even its former supporters are condemning it. He swore to close Gitmo his first year, starting with the first day and still hasn't done anything about it other than let hosts of terrorists free. He's basically just golfing his last year away, not even really helping anyone with a presidential race.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 10:05 AM (39g3+)

229 I did a three way with Thomas Friedman and Rosie O'Donnell and sometimes I feel like I gotta infection. But I kept my spray tan goggles on so--I'm probably good.

Posted by: The Donald Drumpf at February 29, 2016 10:05 AM (mcm0N)

230 You people are going drive ace back to Twitter, Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 03:02 PM (TJCSB) Now that's mean. Completely and totally hilarious but mean. Lemon bar? *shoves through USB port*

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 29, 2016 10:05 AM (mf5HN)

231 Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 02:52 PM (/tuJf) Lots of us played very nice with your boy Mittens in 2012. When it comes time to hold your nose and do the same, will you...?

Posted by: Mega at February 29, 2016 10:06 AM (hHFOx)

232 Has this site started to trash Senator Jeff Sessions yet like you did with Sarah Palin? Funny both know Ted Cruz and chose Trump over him. There is a reason for that.

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 10:06 AM (TcGpp)

233
I imagine the border plan will be the same as Hillary would do.  But without the screechy voice.  So there's that.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 29, 2016 10:06 AM (ODxAs)

234 Any bets on Trump saying the problem is "fixed" well before it actually is so he can declare victory and go on to other issues?

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 10:06 AM (MOVsh)

235 I think Ace's split with twitter was a hard parting. A it's-not-you-its-me parting.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:06 AM (evdj2)

236 AAHHH ANYone WHO criRIITIZICES my Candidate MUST BOIL in human Blood IN The loweST Cirlce of HWLLL!!!! Sorry, just thought I'd get the festivities rolling.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 29, 2016 10:06 AM (39g3+)

237 Man, this thread is too much, even for me

I'm outta here

Posted by: chemjeff - PuppyMonkeyBaby '16 at February 29, 2016 10:07 AM (lVU49)

238 I get a feeling that this thread is about to erupt like a shit volcano. Like a bathroom at Taco Bell.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at February 29, 2016 10:07 AM (+058L)

239 Poppin' Fresh laid it all down this morning: Dondi FTW! Because "Real Conservative." Or something. ******************* In the interest of fairness, his voting seems to have a better track record than most (except for Cruz and Sessions, etc). But that's not what concerns me, it's how easily get got rolled by the gang of eight. it indicates a weak spine and a capacity to quickly sell out at the first opportunity. You know, a typical establishment GOP-er. He'll be more liberal than Paul Ryan by the time he'd finish his first year in office.

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 10:07 AM (qHgBB)

240 216 I expect Trump will disappoint his supporters if elected. Not only on immigration, but on the EPA, IRS, Department of Justice, Department of Education, Department of Energy, Supreme court nominees, climate change, deregulation.


How is that any different than the last 30 years?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:03 PM (+058


White house will have 37 floors.

Posted by: Badda Bing at February 29, 2016 10:07 AM (gxIP7)

241 Sure I do. Cruz and even Rubio are more acceptable alternatives at this point. Rubio is worrisome on illegals and will have to be managed but Trump is all over the map on everything. It is intellectually dishonest to hammer Rubio for flipping on illegals but give Trump a pass of flipping back and forth, forth and back on issue after issue. The cure for bad candidates is not to pick the worst one. Posted by: JackStraw Rubio is part of the establishment that has screwed us over. Trump is not. Rubio either got rolled by shumer AND Gillihag or was actively joining with them. Trump is at least making noises against them. Rubio is already whining about being in the Senate. In the middle of his first term. trump has started and stopped businesses. I'm not giving trump a pass on anything. I think that I understand the frustration and the resulting appeal that trump seems to have.

Posted by: Blue Hen at February 29, 2016 10:07 AM (326rv)

242 "Rubio is worrisome on illegals"

This Hitler chap is a bit worrisome on the Poland issue, wot wot?

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 10:07 AM (noWW6)

243 Suddenly we are taking the NYT as the arbiters of truth. A really strange world this primary season.

Posted by: Decaf at February 29, 2016 10:07 AM (KAB75)

244 I fart in the general direction of the NY Times. If there's a turd floating in the punch bowl, I'm automatically going to assume they put it there.
 
And speaking of a NYT piece I'm absolutely not going to link but will quote from, get this bit (from Lucianne):
 
CHICAGO - Test scores suggest that the Barbara A. Sizemore Academy, an African-centered school, is struggling mightily. Its students in third through eighth grades scored in only the 14th percentile in reading on national achievement tests last year and in the eighth percentile in math. (Snip) "When you talk about children who are suffering from all the ills of, you know, the residual effects of slavery," said Danielle Robinson, who is in her third year as Sizemore's principal, "absolutely this is where they need to be."
 
Wow. One hundred and fifty plus years later, it's clear that there is only one reason for low black achievement scores in her school.

Posted by: GnuBreed [/i] [/b] at February 29, 2016 10:07 AM (gyKtp)

245 169 Anyone who would vote for Trump is no different than Occupy Wall Street. Just a different bunch of arrested-adolescent rage monkeys. ------------------- Don't forget the cousin'-humping there buddy, I LOVES ME SOME cousin humping!

Posted by: BunkerInTheBurbs at February 29, 2016 10:08 AM (kXzR8)

246 >>Lots of us played very nice with your boy Mittens in 2012. When it comes time to hold your nose and do the same, will you...? Seriously, how many times do I have to say this. I will vote for the Republican nominee, even Trump because Hillary would be far worse. I consider Trump an awful candidate but I'm not doing the sit at home tantrum.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 10:08 AM (/tuJf)

247 A synopsis: Your candidate sucks ass and you support him cause you're a cousin humpin, bible thumpin, redneck and you mostest squirrels! Oh, yeah? Well, your candidate sucks donkey balls you idiotic, fascist, reich wing asshole and you probably have bad breath from not brushing your tooth. That about cover it?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 10:08 AM (kTF2Z)

248 Guess who made me possible?

Posted by: President Kim Kardashian Yeezy typing through the spacetime continuum at February 29, 2016 10:08 AM (mcm0N)

249 "Is it safe?" For.....?

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at February 29, 2016 10:09 AM (LA7Cm)

250 I could make a killin' if ya'll would buy my damn book!

Posted by: Dale Carnegie at February 29, 2016 10:09 AM (mEZce)

251 NY TImes & Buzzfeed Ben Smith are reliable sources.

Posted by: The Onion at February 29, 2016 10:09 AM (GHtJF)

252 I repeat: How many crossover votes is Candidate Cruz going to get? Because you need those. And stuff.

Posted by: Mortimer [/i] [/b] at February 29, 2016 10:09 AM (ATy0Q)

253 Those of you who think that Trump is "all over the place" with his positions still don't see what he's doing. Eventually you will see it - though it may take a while before it becomes.clear - and when it dawns on you......

Posted by: Mega at February 29, 2016 10:09 AM (hHFOx)

254 The Trump cultists don't care.

Posted by: Raspitun at February 29, 2016 10:09 AM (7erVl)

255 I guess I question whether Trump has paid a price at all. I agree the metric is meaningful. I just question that Trump has paid any sort of cost. Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:04 PM (gmeXX) The liberal teacher friend in Cali is already teaching her students how Hitler-ish Trump is. That's a taste of what we're going to see in the general election.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 10:09 AM (uURQL)

256 Wow. One hundred and fifty plus years later, it's clear that there is only one reason for low black achievement scores in her school. They're in the top percentile of blame-shifting, so they have that going for them.

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:09 AM (evdj2)

257 Hi folks, I'm Susan's life partner. I wanted to share an idea that comes from my interest in great battles of history: What if attacking Mr. Trump is not the answer? Suppose we dig in and let Mr. Trump make a fool of himself, then counter-attack when he is weakened? A political Maginot Line, if you will.

Posted by: Corbin Uriah Cuthbertson-Klein at February 29, 2016 10:10 AM (Ui7Rt)

258 I consider Trump an awful candidate but I'm not doing the sit at home tantrum. ---------- I am. Of course, I prefer to call it principled non-voting and not a tantrum.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 10:10 AM (gmeXX)

259 You know what bothers me about Trump? His lies and flip-flops.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 10:10 AM (TJCSB)

260 How is that any different than the last 30 years? Posted by: rickb223 at February 29, 2016 03:03 PM (+058 White house will have 37 floors. And slots!

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at February 29, 2016 10:10 AM (+058L)

261 Well, yes, Ace. Being a conservative means being lied to and betrayed by the people you vote for more often than not. I think that it is very likely that Trump will betray the people who are enthusiastically voting for him in the primary. On the other hand, you have Rubio who already betrayed his voters. When it comes to the general election, the choice will be for the lesser evil and in an election that has Hillary Clinton in it, the lesser evil will always be the other candidate.

Posted by: obnoxious ahole at February 29, 2016 10:10 AM (MpvuV)

262 Interesting thing about Trump's donations. Up to a few years ago, he's given equally to democrats and republicans. In the past 10 years though, his donations have been lopsidedly Republican. Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 02:58 PM
~~~~~
Do you have a link for that?  Because what I've seen is just the opposite.

Posted by: IrishEi at February 29, 2016 10:10 AM (E6RIJ)

263 What, hiring a former Todd Akin guy as comms director wasn't smart? Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 03:04 PM (noWW6) **************************** LOL, no he didn't *googles* ..... *face palm*

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 10:10 AM (qHgBB)

264 Revolutions are messy things, but I am glad we have at last started the process and Trump has a lot to do with that. Cryptic news stories aside... I don't ever have to defend the interests of those that vote for Marco Rubio and people like him. To me that is what this election is about. Liberating...like taking a load off my shoulders.

Posted by: William Eaton at February 29, 2016 10:10 AM (q52Ma)

265 Trump is a long shot, admittedly. There is no other shot. Strange bedfellows.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 10:10 AM (xuouz)

266 Trump is a long shot, admittedly. There is no other shot. Strange bedfellows.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 10:10 AM (xuouz)

267 I expect to be disappointed if Trump wins the presidency.  Maybe not as disappointed if Hillary wins, but pretty disappointed.



Posted by: MacGruber at February 29, 2016 10:10 AM (FEAjO)

268 I get a feeling that this thread is about to erupt like a shit volcano. Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 29, 2016 03:05 PM (Wckf4) Yeah.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet's specials in the weekly Firing Squad Circular! at February 29, 2016 10:10 AM (hLRSq)

269 The wall just got 10 feet higher and 1000 miles longer.  Morons.

Posted by: Fritz at February 29, 2016 10:10 AM (UzPAd)

270 >>Rubio is part of the establishment that has screwed us over. >>Trump is not. Sure he is. He started his campaign by bragging about it 7 x 24. He's been one of those guys writing checks to politicians for years so that he could get favors. And those favors weren't a crackdown on illegal immigration.

Posted by: JackStraw at February 29, 2016 10:10 AM (/tuJf)

271 oh god no what have I done

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 10:10 AM (xuouz)

272 Do you have a link for that? Because what I've seen is just the opposite. *************************** I saw the link in a Breitbart thread, let me see if I can dig it out....

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 10:11 AM (qHgBB)

273 how much of this story is the NYT trying to slime Trump, so they can get Shrillery over the line in November against an "electable" RINO squish like Rubio?

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 29, 2016 10:11 AM (ISW4H)

274 A synopsis: Your candidate sucks ass and you support him cause you're a cousin humpin, bible thumpin, redneck and you mostest squirrels! Oh, yeah? Well, your candidate sucks donkey balls you idiotic, fascist, reich wing asshole and you probably have bad breath from not brushing your tooth. That about cover it? Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 03:08 PM (kTF2Z) - 15 for proper use of your and lack of extraneous apostrophes. Speaking of apostrophes, other side filed a complaint in which there is rampant use of the possessive in place of the plural and it's making my eye twitch to read it. I may have said, loudly, THAT'S IT I'M TAKING YOUR APOSTROPHES AWAY, but you can't prove anything.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 29, 2016 10:11 AM (mf5HN)

275 The liberal teacher friend in Cali is already teaching her students how Hitler-ish Trump is. That's a taste of what we're going to see in the general election. --------- So, he'll get the George Bush treatment? Yawn.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 10:11 AM (gmeXX)

276 "Wow. One hundred and fifty plus years later, it's clear that there is only one reason for low black achievement scores in her school." It's called reaching. They're running out of excuses so anything will do.

Posted by: Decaf at February 29, 2016 10:11 AM (KAB75)

277 I didn't realize I'd be consumed so quickly by embracing my own inanity

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 10:11 AM (xuouz)

278 Not this shit again. I'm out.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Restorationist at February 29, 2016 10:11 AM (9krrF)

279 Jesus Christ, of course he's lying. He's not going to do any more on immigration than any other GOP candidate and he knows it. Demagogues are liars. And saying "the GOPe lies to us too" doesn't change the fact that Trump is a liar. You're adults. You should know better.

Posted by: Naes at February 29, 2016 10:11 AM (Ypc8j)

280 Interesting to see people that are so invested in Trump sticking it to the establishment use the same GOPe arguments for their candidate and against Cruz. Nothing's changed from 2011-12, just who's wearing the shoe.

Posted by: JROD at February 29, 2016 10:11 AM (lS7a6)

281 261 You know what bothers me about Trump? His lies and flip-flops. You know what bothers me about the GOPe? The lies and flip flops. Your move.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at February 29, 2016 10:12 AM (+058L)

282 249 A synopsis:

Your candidate sucks ass and you support him cause you're a cousin humpin, bible thumpin, redneck and you mostest squirrels!

Oh, yeah? Well, your candidate sucks donkey balls you idiotic, fascist, reich wing asshole and you probably have bad breath from not brushing your tooth.

That about cover it?

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 03:08 PM (kTF2Z)


It would be perfect with more superlatives.

Posted by: Badda Bing at February 29, 2016 10:12 AM (gxIP7)

283 Cruz or fucking bust. I hope he wins Texas and enough states to forestall Mario's coronation.

Posted by: Mike Honcho at February 29, 2016 10:12 AM (BJjEt)

284 That about cover it? Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 03:08 PM (kTF2Z) You have to repeat that argument in various forms a minimum of 80 times between 9am and midnight.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 10:12 AM (xuouz)

285 Posted by: Corbin Uriah Cuthbertson-Klein at February 29, 2016 03:10 PM (Ui7Rt) Tee Hee. You are so cute.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 10:12 AM (WVsWD)

286 Any bets on Trump saying the problem is "fixed" well before it actually is so he can declare victory and go on to other issues? Posted by: Branson There are other issues?

Posted by: Trump at February 29, 2016 10:12 AM (VAsIq)

287 Has the Fat Man started his presser yet?

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 29, 2016 10:12 AM (TnUKj)

288 I'm waiting for Willard to jump in here, any day.

Posted by: Fritz at February 29, 2016 10:12 AM (UzPAd)

289 yeesh

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 29, 2016 10:12 AM (vb33c)

290 240 I get a feeling that this thread is about to erupt like a shit volcano. We're in the eye of a shit-icane.

Posted by: Mortimer [/i] [/b] at February 29, 2016 10:12 AM (ATy0Q)

291 What is all comes down to is: which do you prefer, New York values or Cuban values?

Posted by: RioBravo at February 29, 2016 10:13 AM (NUqwG)

292 Jesus Christ, of course he's lying. He's not going to do any more on immigration than any other GOP candidate and he knows it. Demagogues are liars. And saying "the GOPe lies to us too" doesn't change the fact that Trump is a liar. You're adults. You should know better. So which liar do we pick and why does it matter?

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at February 29, 2016 10:13 AM (+058L)

293 Is there going to be cake and ice cream after all of this? Because I really like cake and ice cream.

Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 10:13 AM (Fmupd)

294 "You're adults. You should know better." Know better about what? Do tell...

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 10:13 AM (WnCSK)

295 8 After the election I'll be more "flexible." wink, wink


Sincerely, or not


The Donald...

Posted by: donna at February 29, 2016 02:24 PM (/dSsq)

==   == ---------


Beautiful.

Posted by: Don't waste my time with leftist bullshit. at February 29, 2016 10:13 AM (aRUb8)

296 Corbin lmao Accurate

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 10:13 AM (xuouz)

297 So, he'll get the George Bush treatment? Yawn. Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:11 PM (gmeXX) You don't think that's a cost?

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 10:13 AM (uURQL)

298 Oh, Her Malevolence spoke to me! *Backs out of room doing that fop bowing thingy*

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 10:13 AM (kTF2Z)

299 Suddenly we are taking the NYT as the arbiters of truth. A really strange world this primary season. Posted by: Decaf at February 29, 2016 03:07 PM (KAB75) That depends on which candidate will be hurt or helped by the NYT's truth.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet's specials in the weekly Firing Squad Circular! at February 29, 2016 10:13 AM (hLRSq)

300 I glanced at my wife's Facebook page yesterday, and noticed at the top of the "trending" thingy was "Benito Mussolini: Donald Trump retweets quote from Benito  Mussolini!!!"

Posted by: Pyrocles at February 29, 2016 10:13 AM (fVOPU)

301 I get a feeling that this thread is about to erupt like a shit volcano. Posted by: Burn the Witch Where are we gonna find a virgin? Other than mini-moo?

Posted by: The Moron horde at February 29, 2016 10:13 AM (326rv)

302
    Making sense of these comments ( except for a very few) is like looking for nickels in horseshit.

    Entertaining reading, though.

Posted by: irongrampa at February 29, 2016 10:14 AM (P/8aq)

303 292 240 I get a feeling that this thread is about to erupt like a shit volcano.

We're in the eye of a shit-icane.

Posted by: Mortimer at February 29, 2016 03:12 PM (ATy0Q)


I'm spinning up.

Posted by: Shitnado at February 29, 2016 10:14 AM (gxIP7)

304 #247 I'm s conservative. What yuou do offline is your own business. But no YouTube links, please.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 29, 2016 10:14 AM (Kucy5)

305 "residual effects of slavery" Deshawn, can you spell "welfare." "W-e-l-l-f-a-i-r" So close! You get an A for effort. "What you mean by close?" The word is spelled "w-e-l-f-a-r-e," but then, your ancestors were probably slaves. "Alls of my ancestors come from Brooklyn."

Posted by: Lord Obama at February 29, 2016 10:14 AM (JOWmw)

306 Posted by: IrishEi at February 29, 2016 03:10 PM (E6RIJ) ************************** Ok, not the same link, but draws from the same source: http://tinyurl.com/hdpdh9f Conclusion: Trump gave about evenly between both parties until 2010, when it shifted heavily to the gOP.

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 10:14 AM (qHgBB)

307 Wow. One hundred and fifty plus years later, it's clear that there is only one reason for low black achievement scores in her school.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 29, 2016 03:07 PM (gyKtp)


Reminds me of the news story a while ago about the Hiroshima bomb claiming another victim, some octagenarian. Great weapon: you drop it, wait 70 years, then bam! They're dead.

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 29, 2016 10:14 AM (oKE6c)

308 I'm spinning up. Posted by: Shitnado at February 29, 2016 03:14 PM (gxIP7) Corgi-shitnado, incoming.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 10:15 AM (uURQL)

309 Of course he was setting the stage for a negotiation. That's what happens in politics. But he set the terms favorable to the right. Which is nice for change. And someone at NYTimes is choosing the nuclear option in leaking off-the-record information.

Posted by: CJ at February 29, 2016 10:15 AM (9KqcB)

310 And if you can't trust the New York Times, who can you trust?

Posted by: t-bird at February 29, 2016 10:15 AM (3U4+k)

311 302 I glanced at my wife's Facebook page yesterday, and noticed at the top of the "trending" thingy was "Benito Mussolini: Donald Trump retweets quote from Benito Mussolini!!!"

Posted by: Pyrocles at February 29, 2016 03:13 PM (fVOPU)


Both were treated very unfairly by the press.

Posted by: Badda Bing at February 29, 2016 10:15 AM (gxIP7)

312 Mario is the GOP's Obama.

Posted by: Lord Obama at February 29, 2016 10:15 AM (JOWmw)

313 Well, he may have been stupid enough to think off the record meant off the record, including not surreptitiously leaking or implying his position was not what it seemed. or it is possible the nyt is misrepresenting this but he will not demand release of transcripts because of something else embarrassing. who knows. regardless it is the gops fault since all this is because they have been screwing their constituents for so long.

Posted by: yankeefifth at February 29, 2016 10:15 AM (vb33c)

314 You know what bothers me about the GOPe? The lies and flip flops.

Your move. Posted by: rickb223


Uh, what?

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 10:15 AM (TJCSB)

315 "Wow. One hundred and fifty plus years later, it's clear that there is only one reason for low black achievement scores in her school." ----- It's not certain that these ignorant idiots know when slavery ended. They probably image it was the 1960s, when everything cool happened.

Posted by: Decaf at February 29, 2016 10:16 AM (KAB75)

316 293 What is all comes down to is: which do you prefer,
New York values or Cuban values?
Posted by: RioBravo at February 29, 2016 03:13 PM (NUqwG)



Valu-Rite values.

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 29, 2016 10:16 AM (oKE6c)

317 Trump's site only uses the word deport for the gangs.  He has said they'll be deported day one, which means year one I guess, or as they are caught.

He has said many things, but he attack/supports people by attacking/supporting their position at times.  With McCain he likes military that don't get caught.  With Romney, it's mean to make people self-deport.  With Hillary, she'd be great at ... whatever. 

On the trail he has also said people would leave on their own once they saw others being deported.  And he supports e-verify.

He says there will be a big door to come back but his site says "Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S."

Since he is already running for the general, he has no need to sound harsh on border control.  It will only hurt him, even if he fully intends to keep to the tough standards.  But I don't think his real position is to forcibly track down 20 million and drag them out.  They'll go on their own, or be caught doing illegal things, it time. 

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 29, 2016 10:16 AM (eUbDe)

318 "When you talk about children who are suffering from all the ills of, you know, the residual effects of slavery"

Why don't we observe persistent academic deficits among the descendants of European Jews who endured the Holocaust, something far worse by any metric than slavery, and far more historically recent to boot?

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 10:16 AM (noWW6)

319 Oh, Her Malevolence spoke to me! *Backs out of room doing that fop bowing thingy* Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 03:13 PM (kTF2Z) *waves paw imperially* 'Tis the least I could do and I always do the least I can do. *eyes stack of filing* As is becoming more obvious by the moment at work.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 29, 2016 10:16 AM (mf5HN)

320 I'll say this though to be intellectually honest. Even a flexible Trump will do more to address the problem than a Cruz or Rubio. But I am convinced Trump doesn't get near the White House. Of all mu fears, the least of these are that Trump won't do anything with respect to illegal immigration. My more tangible fear is President Hillary and her super majority in Congress hit the final blow for liberalism and the country is gone for several generations.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 10:16 AM (MOVsh)

321 "there is only one reason for low black achievement scores in her school" I'll take "fatherlessness" for $100, Alex.

Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 10:16 AM (JOWmw)

322 177 169 Anyone who would vote for Trump is no different than Occupy Wall Street. Just a different bunch of arrested-adolescent rage monkeys.
Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 29, 2016 02:55 PM (Kucy5)

____

Aww poor little Jeb supporter.

Posted by: Monsieur Moo Moo at February 29, 2016 02:56 PM (0LHZx)


_--__-__-------__


How are they any different?

Posted by: Don't waste my time with leftist bullshit. at February 29, 2016 10:16 AM (aRUb8)

323 "a guy who you presume to be lie without a single shred of hard evidence" Yea, like his entire life isn't a "single shred" of evidence that he has lied on every possible issue all cross the board. His ban "muslims" statements about 24 hours after demanding we take more syrians. So don't give me this BS like he doesn't have a record of being a con man and a lying scumbag.

Posted by: Nick at February 29, 2016 10:17 AM (DKHw0)

324 #192 according to the Boston Herald, 16,000 Massachusetts Democrats changed party to vote for Trump tomorrow. Massachusetts Democrats. I don"'t think your party base is what it used to be.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 29, 2016 10:17 AM (Kucy5)

325 318 "Wow. One hundred and fifty plus years later, it's clear that there is only one reason for low black achievement scores in her school."

-----

It's not certain that these ignorant idiots know when slavery ended. They probably image it was the 1960s, when everything cool happened.

Posted by: Decaf at February 29, 2016 03:16 PM (KAB75)


Lol.

Posted by: Badda Bing at February 29, 2016 10:17 AM (gxIP7)

326 Your move. Posted by: rickb223 Uh, what? You claim Trump lies and flip flops. I claim all the others do it. Now what?

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at February 29, 2016 10:17 AM (+058L)

327 this is all bullshit. somebody please remind me why i should care at all.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at February 29, 2016 10:17 AM (ucDmr)

328 "gone for several generations" no, it'll be gone forever

Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 10:17 AM (JOWmw)

329 Listen to Stephen Miller, a former aide to Sen. Jeff Sessions of Alabama, on Cruz and Rubio (Cruzio). Flip sides of the same globalist coin. Read this: "Trump Senior Policy Adviser Stephen Miller: The Moment Ted Cruz Threw in with the Globalists" - By Diana West Listen to this: "MUST LISTEN: Stephen Miller Makes Case Against Marco Rubio in Epic Rant" - Breitbart

Posted by: Misfortune & Pestilence at February 29, 2016 10:17 AM (TcGpp)

330 So, he'll get the George Bush treatment? Yawn. Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:11 PM (gmeXX) You don't think that's a cost? --------- Since that has not yet happened yet in full force, I'll reserve judgment. But I'll say this, what Trump wants more than anything is adulation and publicity and press. That is his currency. If it is, he has paid no cost.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 10:17 AM (gmeXX)

331 Ok, not the same link, but draws from the same source: http://tinyurl.com/hdpdh9f Conclusion: Trump gave about evenly between both parties until 2010, when it shifted heavily to the gOP. Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:14 PM (qHgBB) Will we accept converts? Or are we just interested in dying in the door of the temple?

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 10:18 AM (xuouz)

332 I like Trump's stance on eminent domain, and abortion.

Posted by: Shit Volcano at February 29, 2016 10:18 AM (TJCSB)

333 "You're adults."

no, we're morons/ettes

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 29, 2016 10:18 AM (ISW4H)

334 Trump may be lying, but we *know* Hillary is not. Easy call.

Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 10:18 AM (JOWmw)

335 Well Mario has finally stepped up and given himself a bit more gravitas. That dick joke I heard on the radio reminded me of Churchill during the Battle of Britain, or Reagan with his "Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall", or Dubya telling 90% of the Beltway and the country to go f**k itself and deciding to (finally) actually do something and win in Iraq in 2007. Nice to see the little fella finally growing out of that glib inexperienced slippery two-faced junior senator phase.

Posted by: rhomboid at February 29, 2016 10:18 AM (QDnY+)

336 "283 261 You know what bothers me about Trump? His lies and flip-flops. You know what bothers me about the GOPe? The lies and flip flops. Your move." ------ Touché!

Posted by: Decaf at February 29, 2016 10:18 AM (KAB75)

337 " So don't give me this BS like he doesn't have a record of being a con man and a lying scumbag." So your voting Trump right?

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 10:18 AM (WnCSK)

338 Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:14 PM

Thanks, BID.

Posted by: IrishEi at February 29, 2016 10:18 AM (E6RIJ)

339 275 how much of this story is the NYT trying to slime Trump, so they can get Shrillery over the line in November against an "electable" RINO squish like Rubio? Yea if you are completely incapable of reading polls or assessing data on any sort. Oh wait, your a trump support. So I repeat myself.

Posted by: Nick at February 29, 2016 10:19 AM (DKHw0)

340 I learn something new every once in a while

Posted by: Trump University Grad at February 29, 2016 10:19 AM (gs8be)

341 >>So in a choice between a certified cult of pathological liars, and a guy who you presume to be lie without a single shred of hard evidence, you'd choose the former.<< Yes, because the "certified cult of pathological liars" guy is married to a Venus who wears gold floss on Air Force Trump, and I'm a knuckledragger who is awed by such things.

Posted by: General Zod at February 29, 2016 10:19 AM (Bdeb0)

342 It's not certain that these ignorant idiots know when slavery ended. They probably image it was the 1960s, when everything cool happened.

Posted by: Decaf at February 29, 2016 03:16 PM (KAB75)


After Trump's supporters got dinged by something in some poll (showing that they were racist, stupid, you know, the usual smear of anyone to the right of Joe Stalin) someone rebutted that poll with a second in which (IIRC) something like 71% of black respondents opposed the Emancipation Proclamation?


The point being, as made up above, that polls are pretty much useless, and that most of the electorate is pig ignorant.

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 29, 2016 10:19 AM (oKE6c)

343 You claim Trump lies and flip flops.
I claim all the others do it.
Now what? Posted by: rickb223

Trump has done it on EVERY issue.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 10:20 AM (TJCSB)

344 I get a feeling that this thread is about to erupt like a shit volcano. Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 29, 2016 03:05 PM (Wckf4) _______________ I experience that problem a lot........ *hic*

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at February 29, 2016 10:20 AM (HSmrB)

345 "301 Suddenly we are taking the NYT as the arbiters of truth. A really strange world this primary season. Posted by: Decaf at February 29, 2016 03:07 PM (KAB75) That depends on which candidate will be hurt or helped by the NYT's truth." ----- Any and every Republican will do. Remember their favorite Maverick.

Posted by: Decaf at February 29, 2016 10:20 AM (KAB75)

346 how much of this story is the NYT trying to slime Trump, The NYT always views this period as their time to sow Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt. Witness the 'Rush Limbaugh Is Selling You Out' story they ran this weekend that Limbaugh spent the show today ripping apart. Lots of implying, spinning, distorting, and never making an outright allegation, knowing it would get disproved.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 29, 2016 10:20 AM (oVJmc)

347 'Tis the least I could do and I always do the least I can do. ... Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 29, 2016 03:16 PM (mf5HN) Made the time spent reading this thread worth it, just for that one aside!

Posted by: Hrothgar [/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 29, 2016 10:20 AM (wYnyS)

348 according to the Boston Herald, 16,000 Massachusetts Democrats changed party to vote for Trump tomorrow. Massachusetts Democrats. I don"'t think your party base is what it used to be. Posted by: Richard McEnroe So less than 1% of Mass voters changed parties? Is that a pretty normal swing that's basically a rounding error?

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 10:20 AM (MOVsh)

349 Hey! I coulda' been a contender...

Posted by: Shit Storm at February 29, 2016 10:20 AM (gxIP7)

350 "glib inexperienced slippery two-faced junior senator phase" he'd be playing at the presidency and everyone knows it we've been prolonging adolescence in this country for too long

Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 10:20 AM (JOWmw)

351 "Applicants for entry to the United States should be required to certify that they can pay for their own housing, healthcare and other needs before coming to the U.S."

This already exists, in some areas, but it's completely worthless.

The "family reunification" plan is regularly used by, among others, Chinese-Americans. Typically for Chinese to bring in their elderly parents from overseas. As part of that, the citizen family are required to sign a pledge that they will personally financially support said parents upon arrival, and not allow them to become "a public charge".

Since there is absolutely no enforcement or followup, the Chinese (a very pragmatic culture) immediately dump Mom and Dad into SSI as soon as the plane lands. Hey, if the gweilos are foolishly giving stuff away, it would be stupid not to take what they're giving.

Posted by: torquewrench at February 29, 2016 10:20 AM (noWW6)

352 So, he'll get the George Bush treatment? Yawn. Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 03:11 PM (gmeXX) You don't think that's a cost? Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 03:13 PM (uURQL) Every Republican presidential nominee gets demonized. Every one of them. Remember Mitt Romney? Probably about the most decent man in US politics in a hundred years? He is willfully cruel to animals, hates gays and attacks them, gives people cancer, delights in destroying working people and their towns, has dancing horses, owns a car elevator, is weird, his religion hates blacks, and I may have missed a few. I am pointing this out because the argument is worthless to use against anyone candidate because it will be applied to all candidates.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet's specials in the weekly Firing Squad Circular! at February 29, 2016 10:20 AM (hLRSq)

353 "When you talk about children who are suffering from all the ills of, you know, the residual effects of slavery" Why don't we observe persistent academic deficits among the descendants of European Jews who endured the Holocaust, something far worse by any metric than slavery, and far more historically recent to boot? Posted by: torquewrench I'm still feeling peckish after An Gorta Mor.

Posted by: Papist Bograt at February 29, 2016 10:20 AM (326rv)

354 Shit. Embarrelled.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at February 29, 2016 10:21 AM (oVJmc)

355 I simply cannot countenance voting for someone whose actions I can't predict with absolute certainty.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 10:21 AM (xuouz)

356 Monsieur Moo Moo was always the most liberal commenter here and hugest defender of Obama's stimulus packages and economy. Yeezy gave him some sneekers and a t-shirt.

Posted by: President Kim Kardashian Yeezy typing through the spacetime continuum at February 29, 2016 10:21 AM (mcm0N)

357 Will we accept converts? Or are we just interested in dying in the door of the temple? Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:18 PM (xuouz) Converts to Mitt were acceptable. New converts are not wanted. We decided the tent was big enough already.

Posted by: Tim in Illinois. Blah, blah,blah... at February 29, 2016 10:21 AM (WVsWD)

358 The NYT will release whatever they have and whatever the DNC and Hildebeast campaign have on The Donald in due time.

Posted by: Hank at February 29, 2016 10:22 AM (xVYeR)

359 Thanks, BID. Posted by: IrishEi at February 29, 2016 03:18 PM (E6RIJ) ************************ You're welcome!

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 10:22 AM (qHgBB)

360 Conclusion: Trump gave about evenly between both parties until 2010, when it shifted heavily to the gOP.
Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:14 PM (qHgBB)



A business man who doles out cash to both parties, so as to avoid getting hosed by the outcome of the election? Unpossible.


Hell, even Goldman Sachs gives some money (ca. 25%, IIRC) to conservatives.

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 29, 2016 10:22 AM (oKE6c)

361 *waves bye bye bye to Pappy* Remember try not to touch the sides. Or the floor. Have you thought about hovering?

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 29, 2016 10:22 AM (mf5HN)

362 FNC talking about the dem race. My question is why? Especially now. Everyone that follows in the most basic with politics knows this was rigged from the beginning.

Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 10:22 AM (Fmupd)

363 and you mostest squirrels!

arright who's letting the dog type.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at February 29, 2016 10:22 AM (DL2i+)

364 "Mario is the GOP's Obama." I'd say GOP Barbie - now with platform shoes.

Posted by: Chicago Vota at February 29, 2016 10:22 AM (mPQ7K)

365 Trump has done it on EVERY issue. Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 03:20 PM (TJCSB) Totes unlike Ryan, Boehner, McConnell, McCain, Ayotte, Cantor, McCarthy, ...

Posted by: Hrothgar [/i][/u][/b][/s] at February 29, 2016 10:22 AM (wYnyS)

366 tiptoes back out.

Posted by: willow at February 29, 2016 10:23 AM (L1+sh)

367 222 169 Anyone who would vote for Trump is no different than Occupy Wall
Street. Just a different bunch of arrested-adolescent rage monkeys.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 29, 2016 02:55 PM (Kucy5)

Hmmmm.....

25 years ago today I was sitting on a Destroyer in the Persian Gulf, right in the middle of Desert Storm....

I'm a 56 year old, Ret US Navy, IT Professional, who raised two kids on his own....

I support Trump....

Your constant drumbeat of insults to those who differ politically from you.... are tiresome.... and will not gain support...

A couple of months ago, there was a blowout about THIS EXACT TYPE OF CHARACTERIZATION.... I had thought a new rule was in place to stop it...

Apparently.... not...

Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 03:04 PM (RK8AH)


Well said, and thanks for your service, target. 

Posted by: flounder, rebel, vulgarian, submariner at February 29, 2016 10:23 AM (3dOE/)

368 @173 ............... Mitt was right.. you don;t need to chase down illegals or even fine them. You fine their employers.. big time.. $1000 per day per illegal. When they are all out on their asses with no jobs, they will leave. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 02:55 PM (so+oy) ==== To quote Samuel Jackson: EXACTAMUNDO! Mitt was not just right, but this was too extreme for Trump, and Trump denounced. Nothing else really matters much. Talking about amnesty or walls, it's e-verify that is the issue, enforcing the existing law, which Obama has chosen not to do, which is the issue. I'm more of a Cruz fan, but Rubio would be perfectly palatable but for the immigration thing. And even then, if he'd come clean and promise to enforce existing law (I know he's given verbal promises, etc.), he'd be MILES better than Obama, already. This focus on immigration is a chimera. Trump keeps talking about the wall, but it's not the crux of a problem. Border jumpers come in at a few specific places, and there already is Congressional approval to put walls there, but Obama has stopped it. Trump is Obama's final victory. He's so demoralized the Republicans that they're disintegrating, giving it up for shaved reality apes, believing Alex Jones' conspiracy theories, and are in effect assuring the election of Caligula's Horse.

Posted by: Leo Spaceman at February 29, 2016 10:23 AM (AcoCn)

369 After they exhaust their whine about Trump they will find something else to whine about and will support Trump enthusiastically during the general election. ---------- Not this Palin-supporter, Trump-hater who does actually enjoy a good wine with dinner.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 10:24 AM (gmeXX)

370 And someone at NYTimes is choosing the nuclear option in leaking off-the-record information. ---------------- This is the media that is "all in" on Trump and really handling him with kid gloves. Very kid glove treatment. Just before Super Tuesday when this kind of info could damage his prospects of securing the nomination. Or maybe this is 11th Dimensional Really Helping Him Chess

Posted by: Mega at February 29, 2016 10:24 AM (hHFOx)

371 tiptoes back out. And I'm several steps behind you.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at February 29, 2016 10:24 AM (w4NZ8)

372 Mikey you forget that he forcibly stuffed high-achieving professional females into binders.

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 10:24 AM (xuouz)

373 During his speech in Ft. Worth Trump said the NYT was a piece of sh*t newspaper that's nearly dead in the water (paraphrase). I would take his "off the record" statements with a huge grain of salt.

Posted by: Adrienne at February 29, 2016 10:24 AM (lVcuh)

374 If Trump gets elected and we get amnesty . . . well, I'll leave it for the die-hard Trump supporters to fill in that Mad Lib. Emphasis on the word "Mad." And, more than likely, "Lib."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 10:24 AM (zLP1L)

375 Will we accept converts? Or are we just interested in dying in the door of the temple? Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:18 PM (xuouz) ******************** I can understand people not being convinced of Trump's conversion on many policies, but them saying he's flipped on EVERYTHING just isn't true. I've watched interviews of him 30 years ago (literally) saying exactly the same things he's saying today. He's more consistent than people give him credit for.

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 10:24 AM (qHgBB)

376 "are in effect assuring the election of Caligula's Horse." We got it already about fuckin Caligula....ok. Find another line.

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 10:24 AM (WnCSK)

377 > THAT'S IT I'M TAKING YOUR APOSTROPHES AWAY That's it, no more &'s for you... and, and... you're not the boss of me!

Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at February 29, 2016 10:24 AM (IQI2h)

378 My question is why? Especially now. Everyone that follows in the most basic with politics knows this was rigged from the beginning. Posted by: Soona It's still pretty astonishing that Bernie Sanders came so close to beating her even when it was obvious it was in the bag. South Carolina was basically the first state she really won. Democrats clearly don't like her. She would have smashed to pieces had a more credible Democrat took her on.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 10:25 AM (MOVsh)

379 Ace has fabulous barrels, the best! Lined with Corinthian leather and filled with the finest cheeses and fecal matter. Ted Cruz is nutz!

Posted by: DONALD TRUMP at February 29, 2016 10:25 AM (TJCSB)

380 Any word on the Christie presser?

Posted by: What's a Seawolf? at February 29, 2016 10:25 AM (WuRdh)

381 Why don't we observe persistent academic deficits among the descendants of European Jews who endured the Holocaust, something far worse by any metric than slavery, and far more historically recent to boot?
Posted by: torquewrench



Ditto the Armenians, the Ukrainians, and the Chinese.

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 29, 2016 10:25 AM (oKE6c)

382 "Yea if you are completely incapable of reading polls or assessing data on any sort. Oh wait, your a trump support. So I repeat myself."

brilliant commentary... i am totes convinced by your erudite discourse and now am an ardent Rubio supporter.


Posted by: redc1c4 at February 29, 2016 10:25 AM (ISW4H)

383 *hands cheese out to the Horde* You know. To go with the whine.

Posted by: alexthechick - love and despair bitches at February 29, 2016 10:25 AM (mf5HN)

384 Trump is Obama's final victory. He's so demoralized the Republicans that they're disintegrating, giving it up for shaved reality apes, believing Alex Jones' conspiracy theories, and are in effect assuring the election of Caligula's Horse. Posted by: Leo Spaceman at February 29, 2016 03:23 PM (AcoCn) No tomb for Denethor and Faramir. No long, slow sleep of death embalmed. We shall burn, like the heathen kings of old. Bring wood and oil. My sons are spent. My line has ended. Rohan has deserted us. Theoden's betrayed me. Abandon your posts! Flee, flee for your lives!

Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 10:25 AM (xuouz)

385 And saying "the GOPe lies to us too" doesn't change the fact that Trump is a liar. You're adults. You should know better.

---

The funny thing is that that mythical thing called GOPe (assuming they mean elected officials in DC) has been blocking amnesty for years now.

I fearless predict that if either Hillary or Trump wins in November (and it'll be Hillary and the Dems will get back the Senate and maybe the Congress), they'll have amnesty shoved down their throats before 2017 is over. And it won't be a "gang of 8" type of bill.

The schadenfreude will be delicious. They'll deserve to be laughed at and scorned.

Posted by: Alabi at February 29, 2016 10:25 AM (89I+i)

386 I don't trust Trump and I don't trust the NY Times. Can we move on

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 10:26 AM (mw8Dm)

387 On an ancillary but related note, I got my verification from my insurance company that I am indeed not in violation of the law by being properly insured. FUCK. YOU. JOHN. ROBERTS.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 29, 2016 10:26 AM (zLP1L)

388 Did anyone bother to watch the Sunday political shows? I watched part of one. Ted Cruz is running for the conservative and evangelical vote, period. Those were the only voters he mentioned. If he were serious, he'd try to broaden that. He pulled out of events in Alabama, which doesn't look good (and I guess that makes sense with the Sessions endorsement.) There are things that should raise a red flag (take a quick look at Heidi Cruz's wikipedia page. You may not be aware of her previous government service.) But folks will believe what they want to believe. I do find it humorous that some people think they actually know these candidates. Most likely, you don't. You might want to pay attention to who is supporting who, as these are the people that actually do know the candidates.

Posted by: notsothoreau at February 29, 2016 10:26 AM (5HBd1)

389 Love to see all these new nics in here telling us what Ace believes.

Posted by: Duke Lowell at February 29, 2016 10:26 AM (kTF2Z)

390 Hell, even Goldman Sachs gives some money (ca. 25%, IIRC) to conservatives. Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 03:22 PM (oKE6c) ************************** The funny thing is Wall Street gives lopsidedly to democrats. Even when splitting it Trump was more right leaning in his donations than Wall Street. Lolz

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 10:26 AM (qHgBB)

391 > You claim Trump lies and flip flops. I claim all the others do it. Now what? Posted by: rickb223 Trump has done it on EVERY issue. Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 03:20 PM (TJCSB) Well, at least he's consistent.

Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at February 29, 2016 10:27 AM (IQI2h)

392 anybody ever read Rubio's bio? he has less executive experience than Obama

Posted by: Feh at February 29, 2016 10:27 AM (1D4w/)

393 NOOD!

Posted by: DONALD TRUMP at February 29, 2016 10:27 AM (TJCSB)

394 366 "...rigged from the beginning" We knew that when the DNC wouldn't allow any Democrat other than the lamest of the lame to run. Add to that the super delegates bought and paid for and the Hildebeast was a done deal.

Posted by: Hank at February 29, 2016 10:27 AM (xVYeR)

395 I suppose I'm shocked that you're shocked.

What most of us have forgotten is that politics is a negotiation. That's probably because we've taken it up the squeakhole on every one over the last 7 years, and b) Obama has pretty much done what he wanted via extraordinary means.

I never thought Trump's initial antics were anything but staking out a position. By the way, a far better position than anyone else. It wasn't even a topic at the forefront until he started on it.

Posted by: Marcus T at February 29, 2016 10:27 AM (GGCsk)

396 Will we accept converts? Or are we just interested in dying in the door of the temple? Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:18 PM (xuouz) ******************** I can understand people not being convinced of Trump's conversion on many policies, but them saying he's flipped on EVERYTHING just isn't true. I've watched interviews of him 30 years ago (literally) saying exactly the same things he's saying today. He's more consistent than people give him credit for. Posted by: Burn It Down If Trump is the nominee, I'll vote for him as I think he has at least SOME conservative instincts. But I'm definitely in the camp that knows he's manipulating people. Sort of like the whole birther thing. I'd feel a lot better about the whole thing if right after the election Trump didn't slam Romney for being too harsh on illegals as the reason why Romney lost. Can Trump supporters at least not concede that usually inconsistency is how we weed out the charlatans?

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 10:28 AM (MOVsh)

397

In Terry Pratchett's Discworld, the world is supported on the backs of four giant turtles who slowly walk through space.  One character questioned the cosmology:  "what's holding up the turtles?"  Without missing a beat the answer was its turtles all the way down.

 

None of the political choices left to us will come close to solving the existential problems we currently have as a country.  Its doom all the way down.

I really don't want to see a Republican complete the fundamental transformation of the US.    I don't really know what any of these people will really do, however.  Whether they fail based upon deceit, or ineptitude, or naivete, or lack of political power, it is in the end, the same result.       I will tell you this, the Uniparty demands open borders and they will get it, eventually. 

There  is left, only the question of timing.    Some like to think there is also a chance to spit in the collective eye of the Uniparty.   I don't know what voting choice will assure that except don't vote for Rubio.

 

 

Posted by: simplemind at February 29, 2016 10:28 AM (JTwsP)

398 pretty sure I heard Trump yesterday say all his employees are now e-verified.  So why would he NOT want to fulfill his promise?  It's not like he gets money from the Chamber to sell us out.  It is Cruz that till recently wanted five times as many H-1Bs.  Why would Trump NOT push to build the wall over the 1000 mile part that could use it?  And to have border patrol and ICE actually do their jobs?

He will be less harsh than getting 20M illegals out in the first year, but Cruz is not big on deporting either.

Posted by: Illiniwek at February 29, 2016 10:29 AM (eUbDe)

399 Ted Cruz is running for the conservative and evangelical vote, period. Those were the only voters he mentioned. If he were serious, he'd try to broaden that. ************************ This is why he's unelectable. He should be cobbling together a coalition that appeals across all demographics, instead he makes his appeal almost exclusively to the Glenn Beck crowd. It's sad to watch.

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 10:29 AM (qHgBB)

400 The funny thing is Wall Street gives lopsidedly to democrats. Even when splitting it Trump was more right leaning in his donations than Wall Street. Lolz

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:26 PM (qHgBB)



True. OpenSecrets.org compile the Federal Election Commission reports, and Wall Street heavily favors Democrats, who demonize Wall Street at every turn. Which Wall Street accepts in what is obviously an elaborately staged political kabuki.

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 29, 2016 10:29 AM (oKE6c)

401 If Trump gets elected and we get amnesty . . . well, I'll leave it for the die-hard Trump supporters to fill in that Mad Lib. Emphasis on the word "Mad." And, more than likely, "Lib." If Trump doesn't get elected, we get amnesty.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at February 29, 2016 10:29 AM (+058L)

402 "... according to the Boston Herald, 16,000 Massachusetts Democrats changed party to vote for Trump tomorrow." How would they know why all 16,000* changed their registration? Is that something the authorities routinely ask? Did they call up all 16,000 and ask them? Did Massachusetts Democrats call the Boston Herald to crow about this? Did someone at the newspaper consult themselves and just make it up? *How many change anyway?

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet's specials in the weekly Firing Squad Circular! at February 29, 2016 10:29 AM (hLRSq)

403 Trump has done it on EVERY issue. Posted by: Dr Spank at February 29, 2016 03:20 PM (TJCSB) Well, at least he's consistent. Posted by: just wait, you won't believe what happens next at February 29, 2016 03:27 We hate your guts. We're consistent too.

Posted by: The Stupid Party at February 29, 2016 10:29 AM (326rv)

404 Oh, wow, yeah, if there's one thing all the smart money will tell you it's that you can put total faith in what your enemies tell you about your friends and allies.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez[/i][/b][/u][/s] at February 29, 2016 10:30 AM (Z8DIA)

405 Trump has done it on EVERY issue. Posted by: Dr Spank And so has the GOPe for the last 30 years.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at February 29, 2016 10:30 AM (+058L)

406 Trump is a businessman. Not a politician. He may be out for himself, but as he said in a speech not too long ago, "What's good for Trump is good for the American people." He is CORRECT. Even if all of his policies are completely predicated on benefiting himself, they will also help average Americans. So there is nothing that scares me about a President Trump. Posted by: K-E at February 29, 2016 02:46 PM (OV2w5) Couple things wrong here, although trump may not be an elected politician, he certainly is gifted in the art of politics. He has used the political system and politicians for his own gains his whole life. And I'm afraid trump has no idea what the "average joe" is except for the occasional one he encounters shining his shoes. I am so tired of hearing that Cruz is unelectable, he is actually the most conservative one standing and possibly the smartest one we've been giving a chance to actually vote for in a long time. But because trumps comes out and says a few things that makes everybody wets there pants, all of the sudden he's the guy to get it done, let's just close our eyes and plug our ears so we don't have to actually hear the truth. What a f-d up mess this is.

Posted by: spypeach at February 29, 2016 10:30 AM (nyYhO)

407 Crystal orb tells me you will be an active, vocal and enthusiastic Trump supporter. It has been foreseen. -------------- If I am, then Trump must have really convinced me he was going to appoint the smartest, world-classiest, originalists to the Court.

Posted by: SH at February 29, 2016 10:30 AM (gmeXX)

408 I'd been assuming the media would hold back from attacking Trump until he'd locked up the nomination, then easily help Hillary destroy him in November. But first the John Oliver thing and now Buzzfeed are making effective taunts and hits on Trump. Maybe the media decided that allowing a deranged fascist to make it that far in the process was too dangerous after all, and instead are choosing to take him out now to be on the safe side? Or do they think Trump cannot now be stopped, so it's safe to start turning their guns on him? I suspect Trump's approval ratings nationally will never recover once this onslaught commences.

Posted by: cjw at February 29, 2016 10:31 AM (UJ59J)

409 Same here. The guy calling Trump a mafia-supporting, KKK member and by proxy his supporters isn't noble. ------ Whoa.... AmishDude IS Ted Cruz. Mind. Blown.

Posted by: fixerupper at February 29, 2016 10:31 AM (8XRCm)

410 Totes unlike Ryan, Boehner, McConnell, McCain, Ayotte, Cantor, McCarthy, ...

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 29, 2016 03:22 PM (wYnyS)


+++++


So you agree. Trump is like Boner, McCain, Cantor, McConnell, Ryan, etc, etc.

So why vote for more of that again??

Posted by: Don't waste my time with leftist bullshit. at February 29, 2016 10:31 AM (aRUb8)

411 Can Trump supporters at least not concede that usually inconsistency is how we weed out the charlatans?

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 03:28 PM (MOVsh)


If we weed out the charlatans we won't have a government at all.

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 29, 2016 10:31 AM (oKE6c)

412 ace and other Trump and Palin haters are professional whiners, and can't have a dinner without a good whine. How would you know, FNG?

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:31 AM (evdj2)

413 With Trump's KKK ties exposed, is his clownshow campaign over? We'll have analysis. Plus, a historian explains why surging Sen. Marco Rubio's glib sense of humor qualifies him for the presidency. Join me, Rick Wilson, Rick Rude, Rick Astley, Rick James, James Arness and Tiny the Wonder Crab. Tonight!

Posted by: Megyn Kelly at February 29, 2016 10:31 AM (Ui7Rt)

414 390 I don't trust Trump and I don't trust the NY Times. Can we move on Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 29, 2016 03:26 PM (mw8Dm) ---------------------- I don't trust any of them. Each one of them has a strong potential for crushing disappointment. These are the times we live in.

Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 10:31 AM (Fmupd)

415 Flee, flee for your lives! Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (xuouz) *smacks you with a staff

Posted by: Dale Carnegie at February 29, 2016 10:31 AM (LdVxD)

416 sock off dammit

Posted by: RWC-Team BOHICA at February 29, 2016 10:32 AM (LdVxD)

417 Can Trump supporters at least not concede that usually inconsistency is how we weed out the charlatans? If you will then stipulate and agree that the GOPe has been charlatans for the last 30 years.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/i][/b] at February 29, 2016 10:32 AM (+058L)

418 >>>197 I came around at the very end to thinking that Rmoney might be the right guy for the country at that moment. for me, romney was the right guy way back in 2007, for the 2008 election. but instead, we got the gope's choice, mccain. now we've got big money saying they'll vote for the hill if they don't get their candidate (first jeb, now mario) and 99 percent of the pundits playing head games. me...nope, no way, no how.

Posted by: concrete girl at February 29, 2016 10:32 AM (0KgAM)

419 I don't trust any of them. Each one of them has a strong potential for crushing disappointment. These are the times we live in.

Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 03:31 PM (Fmupd)



Even SMOD has let us down.

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at February 29, 2016 10:32 AM (oKE6c)

420 Nude. Go on, save yourselves!

Posted by: Grump928(c) says Free Soothie! at February 29, 2016 10:32 AM (evdj2)

421 I am so tired of hearing that Cruz is unelectable, he is actually the most conservative one standing and possibly the smartest one we've been giving a chance to actually vote for in a long time. Posted by: spypeach The latter statements do not prove the first. You may be correct, but you made no attempt to prove that Cruz is electable.

Posted by: The Stupid Party at February 29, 2016 10:33 AM (326rv)

422 no rubes, you're not gay for wondering about trumps dick. you're just curious.

Posted by: x at February 29, 2016 10:33 AM (nFwvY)

423 Can Trump supporters at least not concede that usually inconsistency is how we weed out the charlatans? Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 03:28 PM (MOVsh) ******************************* I judge Trump in light of who our alternatives are. That doesn't mean I ignore his inconsistencies, or where I find his positions unpalatable (like his stance on healthcare). But he represents the charlatan who would realistically toss us a bone now and then, as opposed to the GOP-e who tell us in no uncertain terms to go fuck ourselves.

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 10:33 AM (qHgBB)

424 Who am I? Why am I here?

Posted by: Skeezix at February 29, 2016 10:33 AM (WnCSK)

425 Ted Cruz is running for the conservative and evangelical vote, period. Those were the only voters he mentioned. If he were serious, he'd try to broaden that. ************************ This is why he's unelectable. He should be cobbling together a coalition that appeals across all demographics, instead he makes his appeal almost exclusively to the Glenn Beck crowd. It's sad to watch. Posted by: Burn It Down +1 FWIW, several Republicans in my family are very "secular", don't attend Church, etc but hate Obama, lifelong conservatives, etc The Cruz campaign really turned them off with the Preacher schtick. I don't know who decided on that strategy but it's a much different America than 30 years ago.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 10:33 AM (MOVsh)

426 Not this shit again. I'm out. Posted by: Brother Cavil I'm afraid you will have to be more specific.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 29, 2016 10:35 AM (FkBIv)

427 It should be repeated here often. Do not put your faith in men (or women). They'll disappoint you every time.

Posted by: Soona at February 29, 2016 10:35 AM (Fmupd)

428 Can Trump supporters at least not concede that usually inconsistency is how we weed out the charlatans? If you will then stipulate and agree that the GOPe has been charlatans for the last 30 years. I'm not a trump supporter, but I will agree. Rubio has been inconsistent in two languages. The entire reason trump is getting any traction is because the GOPe has been such a disgusting sellout. I'm NOT supposed to quesstion my GOpe betters. I AM supposed to question and dismiss trump. Fuck that; give Jeb! a medal while we're at it.

Posted by: The Stupid Party at February 29, 2016 10:36 AM (326rv)

429 Mikey you forget that he forcibly stuffed high-achieving professional females into binders. Posted by: Ghost of kari - certified inane at February 29, 2016 03:24 PM (xuouz) And he wanted to deny women tampons, and Sandra Fluke wouldn't get birth control, and he wanted illegals to leave of their own accord, and he made all of these gaffes in Europe, like about how London was running the Olympics, and his foreign policy ideas were so 1980's, and lots more stuff.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet's specials in the weekly Firing Squad Circular! at February 29, 2016 10:37 AM (hLRSq)

430 I judge Trump in light of who our alternatives are. That doesn't mean I ignore his inconsistencies, or where I find his positions unpalatable (like his stance on healthcare). But he represents the charlatan who would realistically toss us a bone now and then, as opposed to the GOP-e who tell us in no uncertain terms to go fuck ourselves. Posted by: Burn It Down Fair enough, I can understand that position But truthfully, everyone talking about "what will Trump do as President" to me is not the problem. If Trump beats Hillary, I'l be jumping up and down. My much bigger fear to an elected centrist Trump is President Hillary that won a 40 state landslide and will get to shape the Court for several generations. A President Trump going soft on illegal immigration is not what's keeping me up at night.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 10:37 AM (MOVsh)

431 #371 Thank you for your service, Don't vote to undo everything it stands for tomorrow. I doubt I'll persuade you. Tired of trying, tired of thinking that ANY of Trump's lies, doubletalk, documented malfeasance, and obvious malice will persuade any of you. You're all too busy voting your anger and "sending a message" to people Trump has wined, dined, bankrolled and profited off his entire adult life. Screw it. Go for it.

Posted by: Richard McEnroe at February 29, 2016 10:37 AM (Kucy5)

432 If I wanted certainty, I'd vote for Hillary. Certainty is not my voting criteria. I have to vote based on the probability that a candidate will uphold what I believe to be important. That expectation in zero for Hillary, any eventual candidate from the stupid party beats that.

Posted by: Chicago Vota at February 29, 2016 10:38 AM (mPQ7K)

433 "You fine their employers.. big time.. $1000 per day per illegal. When they are all out on their asses with no jobs, they will leave."

you realize, of course, that employers HAVE to accept, at face value, any documents they are given by applicants, and that any attempt to verify their validity will get them fined by ICE?

if you really want to get rid of illegals, allow companies to vet documents, and, while you're at it, cut off all federal funds to any state, county or city that has a sanctuary law.

while we're at it, lets start rounding up all the illegals at the Home Despot parking lot, and fine all the homeowners who have a maid/nanny/whatever, and their gardeners, all of whom get paid under the table.

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 29, 2016 10:38 AM (ISW4H)

434 Ditto the Armenians, the Ukrainians, and the Chinese. Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 29, 2016 03:25 PM (oKE6c) Even the Scandis are tolerable so long as they stay in their lightless icy Wisconesottan hell.

Posted by: *Mikey NTH - See The Outrage Outlet's specials in the weekly Firing Squad Circular! at February 29, 2016 10:39 AM (hLRSq)

435 I judge Trump in light of who our alternatives are.

Posted by: Burn It Down at February 29, 2016 03:33 PM (qHgBB)




So basically, he's the lesser of two evils.

Back to that.

Posted by: Don't waste my time with leftist bullshit. at February 29, 2016 10:41 AM (aRUb8)

436 If you will then stipulate and agree that the GOPe has been charlatans for the last 30 years. ____________ The frustration with this is that everyone assumes a NonTrump voter is an Establishment whore. Everything the GOPe is being criticized about is exactly what Trump will screw the base over with. if Trump replaces ObamaCare, it will probably be the health care plan Obama dreamed about passing. So the idea that because the GOP leadership didn't permenantly shut down the government over obamacare so we're going to nominate the guy that expands universal health care seems like the ultimate Jedi Mind Trick by the Left.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 10:42 AM (MOVsh)

437 Cruz is saying he is against legalization "now and forever. ***** You forgot to add, "(he isn't)." Which you should do, if you want to be honest, because Cruz really isn't against legalization.

Posted by: Vyce at February 29, 2016 10:42 AM (ggX8y)

438 My much bigger fear to an elected centrist Trump is President Hillary that won a 40 state landslide and will get to shape the Court for several generations. If our country wants the unindicted felon to be president at that sort of ratio, we're not a country any more. Maybe the corpse will meander a few more decades, but it'd be a dead man walking.

Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely at February 29, 2016 10:43 AM (uURQL)

439 Fair enough, I can understand that position But truthfully, everyone talking about "what will Trump do as President" to me is not the problem. If Trump beats Hillary, I'l be jumping up and down. My much bigger fear to an elected centrist Trump is President Hillary that won a 40 state landslide and will get to shape the Court for several generations. A President Trump going soft on illegal immigration is not what's keeping me up at night. Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 03:37 PM (MOVsh) I don't know. I'm just not that scared of Hillary!. Her own party doesn't want her, their turnout is really depressed this year. What I worry about with Trump is him not draining the Aegean stables worth of scum and shit out of DC. I just don't see him flushing out the corporatists and cronies that are fucking us right ow. Forget about appointing judges.

Posted by: Iblis at February 29, 2016 10:44 AM (9221z)

440

You forgot to add, "(he isn't)."

Which you should do, if you want to be honest, because Cruz really isn't against legalization.---------Vyce

 

So he killed the amnesty bill just for laughs? 

Posted by: Tilikum KAW LLC at February 29, 2016 10:44 AM (1JqUE)

441

Posted by: Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri at February 29, 2016 03:36 PM (vClpM)




Please......don't listen to Dad. He's drunk again and off the meds.

Posted by: Ibrahim Awad Saddiq Majad al-Badri Jr. at February 29, 2016 10:47 AM (aRUb8)

442 All this talk of Jeff Sessions' endorsement, so what? Has Jim DeMint endorsed?

Posted by: jazzuscounty at February 29, 2016 10:48 AM (2Xvn6)

443 I don't know. I'm just not that scared of Hillary!. Her own party doesn't want her, their turnout is really depressed this year. What I worry about with Trump is him not draining the Aegean stables worth of scum and shit out of DC. I just don't see him flushing out the corporatists and cronies that are fucking us right ow. Forget about appointing judges. Posted by: Iblis Trump has made me scared of her. I think if we could have fielded a credible candidate that was able to show they weren't an Amnesty supporter, it would have been a shoo-in election. Whatever issues Democrats had with Hillary will be resolved if the alternative is President Trump.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 10:50 AM (MOVsh)

444 If our country wants the unindicted felon to be president at that sort of ratio, we're not a country any more. Maybe the corpse will meander a few more decades, but it'd be a dead man walking. Posted by: ReactionaryMonster browsing Bravely I just don't think people care all that much. Every election cycle the opponent is called a criminal, someone not following email protocols is just not the big issue it should be. Mishandling classified info would put any other American in prison but explain that to a LIV and they won't care.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 10:53 AM (MOVsh)

445 What I worry about with Trump is him not draining the Aegean stables worth of scum and shit out of DC..
Posted by: Iblis
++++


Why would he sweep the scum and shit out of DC? He is PART of the shit and scum. Shit and scum are his friends.


Posted by: Bob at February 29, 2016 10:55 AM (aRUb8)

446 For the record, I'm an atheist who is for Ted Cruz. I find there are very few points of public conflict between myself and evangelical voters. Differences between how we see the world, approach non-political problems, and how we approach the crooked timbers of mankind -- sure.

Posted by: Leo Spaceman at February 29, 2016 10:56 AM (AcoCn)

447 I think the way Trump is going to get rid of illegals is to make them deport themselves by making it less pleasant for them to live here. So, technically, he would be correct in suggesting that he's not going to round everyone up. There are many ways to skin a cat. he'll 'dis-incentivize' them, so to speak.

Posted by: ahem at February 29, 2016 10:56 AM (lKGzI)

448 For the record, I'm an atheist who is for Ted Cruz. I find there are very few points of public conflict between myself and evangelical voters. Differences between how we see the world, approach non-political problems, and how we approach the crooked timbers of mankind -- sure. Posted by: Leo Spaceman I would prefer if non-religious people could see things that way, but in my experience they don't. If someone talks in a religious manner, they get very upset.

Posted by: Branson at February 29, 2016 11:00 AM (MOVsh)

449 Posted by: Don Quixote at February 29, 2016 02:27 PM (RK8AH) You're assuming that Trump, the proven liberal and all-around bullshitter, actually has the positions that he espouses.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at February 29, 2016 11:07 AM (LDT/v)

450 Not a Trump supporter in any fashion...but my question is "Why would anyone in their right mind give any credibility to ANYTHING the NYT's says (especially in an election year)?"

Posted by: OrsonSnow at February 29, 2016 11:14 AM (kxGME)

451 I think the way Trump is going to get rid of illegals is to make them deport themselves by making it less pleasant for them to live here. So, technically, he would be correct in suggesting that he's not going to round everyone up. There are many ways to skin a cat. he'll 'dis-incentivize' them, so to speak. Posted by: ahem ............ You mean the exact same thing he criticized Romney for????

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 29, 2016 11:44 AM (so+oy)

452 Ace, If you truly believe Donald Trump is going to do a thing about illegal immigration I suggest you look into his record. Seriously. Maybe you'll find something I missed which will explain or give context. But by my read he uses illegal immigrants frequently and ships American jobs to Mexico. http://tinyurl.com/jhxwgt4 http://tinyurl.com/o89pwwf http://tinyurl.com/zrmq2qs http://tinyurl.com/j8kzkvy Read those articles. Dig up your own. Then ask yourself how a man whose bottom line is dependent on illegal immigration is going to do a thing to restrict it. I don't believe he will. I believe he's just saying what people want to hear to get elected, and he believes most people don't do their own research -- they follow soundbites. Never mind he often contradicts his own position from a few years ago. That's why I will not support him. But if you do the research and come to a different conclusion, I'll be interested in the facts supporting your case, and the conclusion you build on it. I'm a conservative. That means I care about facts, not rhetoric.

Posted by: Brian Pendel at February 29, 2016 12:31 PM (tgZpF)

453 The quote from Gail Collins piece is right on. Trump is a negotiator, a deal maker, and the outrageous things he says are his opening bid.

I've been saying this all along in comment threads but mainly to tamp down on the horrified reaction to his 'outrageous' statements. But it's real and it's Trump.

Hasn't anyone read his book?

And I'm a yuge fan of Trump's. I support him 100%.

Posted by: MaggiePoo at February 29, 2016 01:14 PM (kcQIp)

454 452 What Trump tells us is his opening bid, it's not a lie. It's merely the beginning of negotiations. And that opening bid stretches the window to his side.

Seriously, doesn't anybody understand that? We're too used to the old style of politics that is more black and white. 'I support item' vs in office 'I reject item'.


Posted by: MaggiePoo at February 29, 2016 01:17 PM (kcQIp)

455 452 I discount 1st link--it's way back when. Doesn't count. No it doesn't. And it's Politifact.

The second one tells us nothing about how many illegals are involved. No percentage. If I were an illegal who is now legal I'd be worried. That doesn't make the legal worker illegal.

I didn't read 3 or 4. If one of them is about Florida, those are legals on seasonal work permits who come up from So. America during their summer breaks to work in the hospitality sector all over FL during our winter.

People are just too hysterical and I don't want seem like I'm trolling since I'm not. I'll be going now. You can usually find me whereever hotair refugees are, at Breitbart, or often anywhere Disqus comments are used. Thanks for being open here.

Posted by: MaggiePoo at February 29, 2016 01:30 PM (kcQIp)

456 You mean, flexible like those reports of Cruz calling around this week? The reports say he's willing to suspend his campaign for a promise of an appointment to the Supreme Court. Word is that Ruibio turned him down. As if Schumer's little butt buddy even knows the meaning of the word "no."

Posted by: Random Thought Generator at February 29, 2016 02:24 PM (wLLbf)

457 You can STILL line your bird cage with the New York Times.

Posted by: torabora at February 29, 2016 03:27 PM (db/w1)

458 This is fucking chickenshit mudslinging/concern trolling, ace. Christ almighty man. I really thought this place would be above it. You're just parroting Cruz media operation now. Get fucked dude. -Not a trump voter

Posted by: Ballistic at February 29, 2016 04:47 PM (2OcMe)

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