August 01, 2013

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— Gabriel Malor

Happy Thursday.

Yesterday's Pew poll sorta kinda blew my mind. I think the best conclusion we could make is that Republicans don't know what they want.

Sen. Cruz continues to demonstrate his firm grasp of negotiating tactics. After challenging Democrats to agree to defund Obamacare or force a government shutdown, he goes and says that a shutdown isn't really a bad thing at all. He seems a little unclear on the concept of leverage. Y'see, to get the Democrats to defund Obamacare, the idea is to present their only other alternative as completely unacceptable. Suggesting that the other alternative is no big deal defeats the whole exercise.

Oh, and the CRS, responding to a research request from Sen. Coburn, has reported that Obamacare would continue to be law and continue to be funded during a government shutdown.

So, let's recap. A shutdown is "a misnomer," says Cruz. And even if the Democrats call Cruz's apparent bluff, the actual shutdown itself wouldn't defund Obamacare. So why are we going through this charade?

Cruz has to be aware that a shutdown is unpopular with voters. By contrast, delaying Obamacare is extraordinarily popular -- even with Democrats. My modest proposal: let's do that. . . until we've got the Senate seats to repeal it.

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1 Kept hitting refresh like a rat looking for a food pellet.

I need a real life.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/u][/i][/s][/b] at August 01, 2013 02:12 AM (JpC1K)

2 DAY 268 1,193 to go (1,266 to Inauguration Day 2017) Muzzies, Marxists, Maoists, Mau-Maus, MFM's, Moochelle, McCain's, MIRV's, mutants, malcontents, malthusians, maniacs, malignant medical mandates, martial law, miscreants, maladjusted masochistic multiculturalists, momzers, mamalukes, mooks, mopes, mariuoli, meeskeits, maricons, marauders, malodorous militants, menstruating mons veneri and miscellaneous meshugas notwithstanding.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 02:13 AM (+98Gb)

3 huzzah!

Posted by: Roland THTG at August 01, 2013 02:13 AM (qyoyx)

4 When was the last government entitlement that was ever repealed??? A: Never. No, Gabe. The strategery is not to shut down the government. It's to decouple O-care from the continuing resolution and then dare the Democrats to oppose it. The onus is all on them. Kill it now. Defund the fucking beast before it devours us.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 02:16 AM (+98Gb)

5 Y'all are racist.

Posted by: Andy Kindler at August 01, 2013 02:17 AM (tAKS3)

6 . . . until we've got the Senate seats to repeal it. Hahahaha

Posted by: toby928© at August 01, 2013 02:17 AM (QupBk)

7 Cruz has to be aware that a shutdown is unpopular with voters. By contrast, delaying Obamacare is extraordinarily popular -- even with Democrats. My modest proposal: let's do that. . . until we've got the Senate seats to repeal it. As much as it pains me to admit it, this is probably the right approach. We're just not going to get everything we want until we control both houses.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 01, 2013 02:19 AM (4ebNy)

8 7 . . . until we've got the Senate seats to repeal it. Hahahaha Posted by: toby928© at August 01, 2013 07:17 AM (QupBk) And with staunch, principle conservatives like McCain, McConnell, Muzgluteski and Graham, America shall be restored!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 02:19 AM (+98Gb)

9 Kept hitting refresh like a rat looking for a food pellet. I need a real life. Join the club. Felt like a monkey pushing the bar for his rock of crack.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2013 02:19 AM (GjYxB)

10 The way to repeal a stupid law is to enforce it with vigor.

Posted by: toby928© at August 01, 2013 02:19 AM (QupBk)

11 Can we go with a variation of Continuing Resolutions to postpone Obamacare in 6 month increments?

I figure after about three cycles of postponing it, we can just move to end it permanently.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 01, 2013 02:21 AM (u7lDh)

12 Morning.  Defunding Obamacare relies on the resolve by the GOP members of the House to shut down the entire government for a very long period of time.  It ain't gonna happen.

Do you really think they can do it, Gabe?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 01, 2013 02:21 AM (UTq/I)

13 The way to repeal a stupid law is to enforce it with vigor. This Democracy is the idea that the people know what they want and deserve to get it...good and hard.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 01, 2013 02:22 AM (4ebNy)

14 The tactic isn't to sell a shutdown as reasonable - the tactic is to convince the Left that *we* don't think it's a bad thing and therefore we are willing to deliver on the quote unquote "threat." When you're negotiating you have to make the other guy think you're sincere.

Posted by: @johntant at August 01, 2013 02:22 AM (QBANa)

15 "Congressional leaders lead in a way reflective of the legislators who have chosen them, and at this particular moment, thatÂ’s working out pretty well for conservatives." Yep, the Conservative victories just keep rolling in.

Posted by: toby928© at August 01, 2013 02:22 AM (QupBk)

16 A government shutdown would be a great idea -- as long as we don't start it up again.

While all the Free Shitters are foaming at the mouth and going through withdrawal, we patriotic, law-abiding Americans set up another government elsewhere based on the Constitution. Let it run what little needs to be run by a central authority. The current drones, elected and otherwise, wither, and go off to beg or slouch around in homeless shelters.

Win/win!.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 01, 2013 02:23 AM (/RIVS)

17 (Reuters) - U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry agreed with Pakistan on Thursday to re-establish a "full partnership"...

http://bit.ly/19zdPfo

"Full Partnership" with the people who hid Bin Laden sold out our intel ops in Afghanistan and let terrorists escape from their prisons- what could possibly go wrong?

Good Morning all!

Posted by: Nighthawk at August 01, 2013 02:24 AM (OtQXp)

18 Yes, why do something unpopular when we can wait forever till the GOP controls the senate. Good freak'n grief.

Posted by: lowandslow at August 01, 2013 02:24 AM (Fz2C7)

19 13 Morning. Defunding Obamacare relies on the resolve by the GOP members of the House to shut down the entire government for a very long period of time. It ain't gonna happen. Do you really think they can do it, Gabe? Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 01, 2013 07:21 AM (UTq/I) As I stated above, Mike Lee and company say de-couple Obamacare funding from the CR and just vote on the CR. If the Dems bitch and moan, it will be they who will be shutting down the government as well as supporting a hated bill. The idea is to have a unified voice to explain this as well as hammer the Democrats in this. That is the problem. The strategy is sound. It requires the will to do it.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 02:24 AM (+98Gb)

20 And by the way, shutting down the Leviathan, even for one hour, is to be cheered. It also has to be explained.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 02:25 AM (+98Gb)

21 I suspect Ms. Leathers will be some sort of attention whoring today since yesterday she took a break.

Posted by: Hands Off My Weiner! at August 01, 2013 02:25 AM (tCBZk)

22 So we have a very limited number of reps/senators who actually fight the good fight, and gabe (are you really the mav, or maybe mourning Joe?) Says "can't have that, must surrender."

Posted by: traye at August 01, 2013 02:26 AM (zGu7P)

23 Why Filner is in fact the protypical Democrat-- Because in his newest legal tactic, he perfectly encapsulates the Democratic worldview that unless government provides something for you, you have no responsibility or obligation yourself. For anything. No expectation to meet, nothing. Filner newest legal tactic is simply the logical outcome of the Democrat attempt at not a command econmoy, but a command culture.

Posted by: T. at August 01, 2013 02:26 AM (QDsw3)

24 Cruz has to be aware that a shutdown is unpopular with voters. By contrast, delaying Obamacare is extraordinarily popular -- even with Democrats. Crazy like a fox. Shut it down = voters pissed at dems. Delay OCare = happy dems. Fuck 'em. Why should they be happy? Briar patch = Shut down isn't so bad. "Don't throw me in that briar patch dems". 3 dimensional chess. Cruz gets it.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2013 02:26 AM (GjYxB)

25 I dunno, Cruz has it right as far as I'm concerned Gabe. Throw me into that briar patch, pronto. Watch me wildly weep as millions of bureaucrats miss a few paychecks. Oh, the humanity.
 
But, no, there are no hills to stand and die on.  There's always the next time. Next time for sure. Conditions will be ripe next time.
 
He's just one guy. It seems to me that someone ought to be taking the extreme stance, rather than starting at the middle and winding up somewhere way left at the end. That's the usual outcome and we all know it.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 01, 2013 02:27 AM (ccXZP)

26 Yes, why do something unpopular when we can wait forever till the GOP controls the senate. Good freak'n grief.


Initial poll results actually show a pretty good chance of it right now.  Of course, they've got a year to screw it all up, so hang in there!

This is the GOP we're talking about.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/u][/i][/s][/b] at August 01, 2013 02:27 AM (JpC1K)

27 Just break the CR into pieces and leave out Obamacare.  Plus the whole thing about it is already law to spend x amount of dollars on the ACA is a joke.  Obama doesn't follow the law anyway.  Just say in a CR for something the Dems really like that Obamacare is no longer entitlement spending.

BTW, how does delaying two portions of the law help?  Yes, we'll give you the benefits, not require the insurance, and watch as the insurance industry implodes.  This is an all or nothing game.

Posted by: Chris at August 01, 2013 02:27 AM (aBOfW)

28 Tom Coburn is, what's the word? Oh yes, LYING. Obamacare will not be funded from somewhere else.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 02:27 AM (+98Gb)

29 The GOP is never going to have the numbers to do an outright repeal so we have to use any means necessary to prevent it from taking full effect or even getting a toe in the water. Once people start utilizing it, they will depend on it and then it will never be able to be removed politically. Obamacare is an abomination he has to be stopped by any and all means necessary.

Posted by: kreplach at August 01, 2013 02:27 AM (qNzkX)

30
As I stated above, Mike Lee and company say de-couple Obamacare funding from the CR and just vote on the CR.
.............
Call me skeptical.. this has been tried before.  The House passes a reasonable budget (or CR) and the Senate immediately rejects it as "outlandish".

The press doesn't even bother covering it and it dies.

The President gets all the press he wants declaring the GOP as "Stonewalling" and "unserious" and accusing them of "holding America hostage".

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 01, 2013 02:28 AM (UTq/I)

31

Gabe said: "Yesterday's Pew poll sorta kinda blew my mind. I think the best conclusion we could make is that Republicans don't know what they want."

Although  one thing Republicans do know they want is a more conservative approach to immigration, by 2-1.


Posted by: Jon (not the troll) at August 01, 2013 02:28 AM (Fau7k)

32 Serious question.

With all the shit that Grahamnesty and :McLame have pulled...Has Gabey-poo ever devoted multiple paragraphs to their idiocy in a morning thread....ever?

Does Gabe hate Hispanics, or does he hate Constitutionalists?

Posted by: Old grizzled gym coach at August 01, 2013 02:29 AM (QBQcg)

33 speaking of filner and weiner, we need to start referring to all young female dems as "monica"

Posted by: endeavor to persevere at August 01, 2013 02:29 AM (zZJJp)

34 31 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 01, 2013 07:28 AM (UTq/I) Jerry, there's the strategy, which is sound. But there is also the messaging, which is also sound. That said it requires the GOP to speak in a unified and loud voice to explain it all. But Mike Lee and Ted Cruz have got it right.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 02:29 AM (+98Gb)

35 Today is my hubby and my 15th wedding anniversary. To paraphrase Sarah Palin, "Two kids and 15 years later, he is still my guy!" Happy Anniversary Dustin!

Posted by: Jmel at August 01, 2013 02:30 AM (cfFqn)

36 Initial poll results actually show a pretty good chance of it right now. Of course, they've got a year to screw it all up, so hang in there!

This is the GOP we're talking about.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 01, 2013 07:27 AM (JpC1K)

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It occurs to me that if the GOP ran against the Democrats the way they run against the Tea Party they would control all three branches of the Federal Government after 2016.

Posted by: Nighthawk at August 01, 2013 02:30 AM (OtQXp)

37 30 Obamacare is an abomination he has to be stopped by any and all means necessary. Posted by: kreplach at August 01, 2013 07:27 AM (qNzkX) THIS ++++

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 02:30 AM (+98Gb)

38 Just heard about this on Bill Bennett's radio program, "Mourning In America". The Portage Ohio Tea Party is having their first having Liberty Camp for 6-10 year olds to learn about the Founders and American History: http://www.portagecountyteaparty.com/home.html We the people are not the enemy.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2013 02:31 AM (iQit/)

39 Karl Costanza Rove, the architect of 2006, says that "it's an iron law that Republicans get blamed for any government shutdown, no matter who controls the White House or Congress".

Top.Men.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2013 02:33 AM (3rfN7)

40 "With all the shit that Grahamnesty and :McLame have pulled...Has Gabey-poo ever devoted multiple paragraphs to their idiocy in a morning thread....ever?"

Has he ever posted something critical of liberalism? Doubt it, he doesn't care about that, his agenda is to piss on conservatives.

Posted by: lowandslow at August 01, 2013 02:33 AM (Fz2C7)

41 Today's celebrity birthdays: William Clark (Lewis' other half) Francis Scott Key (wrote some awesome lyrics) William B. Travis ("I shall never surrender or retreat... Victory or Death.") Herman Melville (thar she blows) Robert Todd Lincoln (35th US SecOfWar) Lionel Bart (http://youtu.be/bp1yfW8tVlI) Lawrence Eagleburger (62nd US SecOfState) Dom DeLuise (buon appetito) Al D'Amato (took it to Cuomo) Terry Kiser (funny corpse movies) Jerry Garcia (ĂĽber hippie) Giancarlo Giannini (Bond's friend Mathis) Robert Cray (played bass for Otis Day) Howard Kurtz (putz) Dana Sparks (couldn't keep the shields up) Coolio (what happened to him?) Adam Duritz (who?) Melanie Shatner (Bill's youngest) Sam Mendes (American Beauty & Skyfall director) Tempestt Bledsoe (Cosby kid)

Posted by: Gran at August 01, 2013 02:34 AM (mw0FO)

42 Or, y'know, Cruz could just be preempting the Dems' forthcoming fire & brimstone act like we saw with the Sequesternageddon!!!11!

Posted by: Andy at August 01, 2013 02:34 AM (li+aS)

43 Where's Lincolntf? He needs to get on his bitch box and scream about how we're all ideological purists for our insane pipe-dreams of saving the country.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 02:34 AM (+98Gb)

44 Happy Anniversary Jmel!

Posted by: Nighthawk at August 01, 2013 02:34 AM (OtQXp)

45 Remember how the Republicans were recalled and shamed by their support of the sequester and people died in the streets?  I mean the press, president, and Dems all said that would happen. 

Actions speak louder than words.  Defund Obamacare, let the usual parties wail and knash teeth, and proceed to actually win. 

Posted by: Chris at August 01, 2013 02:34 AM (aBOfW)

46 Happy Anniversary. Jmel. and many more. The blessings of a good wife/husband cannot be underestimated-and an added benefit is having a partner who can also roll their eyes and sometimes laugh when kids hit the terrible teens. ;^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2013 02:34 AM (iQit/)

47 It occurs to me that if the GOP ran against the Democrats the way they run against the Tea Party they would control all three branches of the Federal Government after 2016.


::: golf clap :::

No fucking shit, eh?

I used to respect McCain for his service alone.  Fuck that.  He expects no questions because he's got a Silver Star and a Purple Heart?

I don't know any Silver Star recipient that acts like that.  He can go fuck himself with a Saguaro cactus.

....

And Rove can take the barbed-wire encrusted pineapple.  Sideways.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/u][/i][/s][/b] at August 01, 2013 02:34 AM (JpC1K)

48 Good thing I got those "fail safe" tag closers on.  It's too early for the barrel.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/u][/i][/s][/b] at August 01, 2013 02:35 AM (JpC1K)

49 Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 07:34 AM (+98Gb) I think Lincoln probably would like a rest after yesterday. :^)

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2013 02:35 AM (iQit/)

50 As to the general state of American affairs, it can best be summed up by the opening paragraph of Paine's The Crisis. The fate of not just the American Experiment, but of the entire American culture, depends upon what we in this generation do. The culture is in fact worse shape, and may become extinct if we do not take active steps to at least ensure its transmission to the future, so as to, if nothing else, perhaps one day re-germinate in a more fortuitous clime. The Progressive tide is not unstoppable, it's just that it's momentum is great enough so that what we cherish may not last long enough to see it through unless we take active steps to see that core elements do. For exhibit A, I give you the 9/11 memorial "firefighters raising flag" photo issue. Classic American patriotism may only survive if we, like monks in the Dark Ages copying Virgil, make sure it does, for the feeling may not be amongst the populace in any great strength to otherwise insure.

Posted by: T. at August 01, 2013 02:36 AM (QDsw3)

51 40 Karl Costanza Rove, the architect of 2006, says that "it's an iron law that Republicans get blamed for any government shutdown, no matter who controls the White House or Congress". Top.Men. Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2013 07:33 AM (3rfN7) Karl Rove is a bottom dweller. The 95 shut down was actually a political and policy victory. We picked up 2 Senate Seats and lost only 8 House seats after the big 94 victory (seats that were weak anyway). It also led to Clinton being forced to sign Welfare Reform. It was a GOP loss because that was the phony narrative peddled by the MFM. Again, we must defund this shit and then scream about it directly to the people. It's the messaging.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 02:37 AM (+98Gb)

52 Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2013 07:31 AM (iQit/) Make that "Morning" In America. The "mourning" was a Freudian spelling slip.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2013 02:37 AM (iQit/)

53 I respect McCain for his service in the same way I respect the rib eye I ate last night. But that rib eye is now a big turd circling the drain,...

Posted by: endeavor to persevere at August 01, 2013 02:37 AM (zZJJp)

54 Jerry, there's the strategy, which is sound. But there is also the messaging, which is also sound. That said it requires the GOP to speak in a unified and loud voice to explain it all.

But Mike Lee and Ted Cruz have got it right.
Posted by: J.J. Sefton
...........
Yeah.. ok.. it really doesn't hurt to try.

But I will bet ya Obama finds a whole bunch of other stuff in the CR to object to.  He wants sequestration ended and he wants new entitlements/stimulus.  In other words, a new budget without passing a  budget.

We need someone other than Boehner out there talking tough about this shit.  A CR should just be a continuation of what's in place.  Let Obama try to pass a budget.  The problem is most voters don't know the difference.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 01, 2013 02:38 AM (UTq/I)

55 Gabe, you remind me of a young John McCain. So principled.

Posted by: Sargent Fuck at August 01, 2013 02:38 AM (hemD9)

56 It's the messaging. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 07:37 AM (+98Gb)


Messaging?

Oh, whew.  We're all set then.  Because if there is one thing the GOP has, it's people who know how to...

::: facepalm :::

We are so boned.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/u][/i][/s][/b] at August 01, 2013 02:38 AM (JpC1K)

57 The most awesome shark picture that you will see today or tomorrow or until Tara shows her plastic boobehs in Sharknado II:
 
http://tinyurl.com/kq3tsbj

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 01, 2013 02:38 AM (ccXZP)

58

I think we can count on the Democrats to present a shutdown as the ghastly alternative. In order to bargain productively, we have to be the guys who are prepared for the consequences of the alternative.

I'm pretty ambivalent about this OCare tactic from Cruz, but still surprised you don't get that.

Posted by: spongeworthy at August 01, 2013 02:39 AM (r5w1L)

59 I have this incredibly bold idea.   No.   Really.   It's going to blow your minds.


Brace yourselves. 


Why don't the House and the Senate pass an actual budget every year and not a series of continuing resolutions, like the motherfucking law of this country requires those pathetic whiny little cunts to do?    Why don't we do that?


Feh.   A pox on the lot of them.


Good morning, Horde!   I trust everyone is as bright and cheery as I this morning!  



Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at August 01, 2013 02:39 AM (Gk3SS)

60 Senator Cruz's message makes perfect sense. The government shutdown wouldn't affect most people so it wouldn't be a big deal to us. It would affect large swaths of democrat constituencies so it would matter to them. But they wouldn't vote for Cruz anyway, so screw em...

Posted by: NJRob at August 01, 2013 02:40 AM (PBJNU)

61 3rd day of classes in atlanta. Flight out tomorrow is at 845pm and that means I will be at the airport around 5 damned hours hanging around doing nothing. ugh

Posted by: Bigbys Cell Fingers at August 01, 2013 02:40 AM (fuUth)

62 55 Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 01, 2013 07:38 AM (UTq/I) Yes, sir. Whether we win or lose, we have to try every avenue possible. Just laying down and dying is absurd. We have no leadership, and as I surmise, not even a party representing us. It's the messaging. AND... good politics only works when you have good policy to back it up. We ain't got shit as it stands with Boehner and McConnell.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 02:41 AM (+98Gb)

63 Let's wait until we're sure the weather will be perfect before we launch the D-Day invasion..... Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower

Let's wait to cross the Delaware until the storm lifts in a day or two....Gen. George Washington

Let's not mention tearing down the wall in our speech. Let's work with the Communists to find common ground with them, develop a new and friendlier approach to foreign policy....President Ronald Reagan

Let's wait until we have the Senate and the House until we try to deal with Obamacare. Then we'll surely be able to get rid of it.....Gabe Malor

Posted by: jeannebodine at August 01, 2013 02:41 AM (KLWgj)

64 Good morning, Horde! I trust everyone is as bright and cheery as I this morning!  Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at August 01, 2013 07:39 AM (Gk3SS)

*slides Hate Biscuit and Hate Tots*

::: grumble :::

G'mornin' my Queen.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/u][/i][/s][/b] at August 01, 2013 02:41 AM (JpC1K)

65 Karl Rove is a bottom dweller. The 95 shut down was actually a political and policy victory. We picked up 2 Senate Seats and lost only 8 House seats after the big 94 victory (seats that were weak anyway).

It also led to Clinton being forced to sign Welfare Reform.

It was a GOP loss because that was the phony narrative peddled by the MFM.

Again, we must defund this shit and then scream about it directly to the people.

It's the messaging.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 07:37 AM (+98Gb)



Exactly.  Right now I'm listening to Levin ridicule that rock ribbed conservative, Saxby Chambliss, appearing on Morning Joke with the intern killer and his dimwitted parrot, get it exactly wrong like the ignorant cocksucker he's always been to the sound of those retards cackling like fucking lunatics.  Hmmm, who am I gonna believe?

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2013 02:42 AM (3rfN7)

66 NJRob at August 01, 2013 07:40 AM

In other words, maybe it's time we start hurting our enemies.

Posted by: Chris at August 01, 2013 02:42 AM (aBOfW)

67 I am quite serious about the loss of culture--I think there are many tacit things being forgotten, things crucial, and I just can't feel them out there anymore, because they aren't being transmitted, esp. via entertainment.

Posted by: T. at August 01, 2013 02:42 AM (QDsw3)

68 57 Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 01, 2013 07:38 AM (JpC1K) Well, of course. If Mike Lee and Ted Cruz were leading the charge - and if the rest of the Quislings weren't Quislings and backed them up ... Yeah, if.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 02:42 AM (+98Gb)

69 66 Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2013 07:42 AM (3rfN7) Yup. It is clear to me. The GOP is dead. The Republicans are now merely a wing of the Democrat-Socialist Party. Take it back or 3rd Party.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 02:44 AM (+98Gb)

70 Is it just me or is passing a 3000 page law that nobody read, and to get it passed the Donks had to arm twist and bribe their own members, is this good government? We didn't even know it was a tax until the Supreme Court told us. How about the GOP saving us from this Commie piece of crap, how about they do the right thing? Even if they fail at least they tried. Give me some reason to keep supporting them.

Posted by: Case at August 01, 2013 02:44 AM (tjj0w)

71 As much as it pains me to admit it, this is probably the right approach. We're just not going to get everything we want until we control both houses. Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 01, 2013 07:19 AM (4ebNy)



It's so cute that you think we'll get anything we want even then.  *pats you on head whilst nibbling biscuit and tots*

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at August 01, 2013 02:44 AM (Gk3SS)

72 Quick thinking ten year old drives car in medical emergency: http://myfox8.com/2013/07/28/boy-10-called-hero-after-saving-great-grandmother/

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2013 02:44 AM (iQit/)

73 >> It was a GOP loss because that was the phony narrative peddled by the MFM. This. I don't remember the Clinton-era shutdown as being a big deal at all. But to hear it told now, Bob Dole would have totally won in '96 if people weren't mad ad the GOP over the shutdown. Or something.

Posted by: Andy at August 01, 2013 02:44 AM (li+aS)

74 that means I will be at the airport around 5 damned hours hanging around doing nothing. That's why God gave us airport bars.

Posted by: toby928© at August 01, 2013 02:45 AM (QupBk)

75 11 The way to repeal a stupid law is to enforce it with vigor. Posted by: toby928© at August 01, 2013 07:19 AM (QupBk) Using the old Cloward-Piven strategy against the left. I like it.

Posted by: Ed Anger at August 01, 2013 02:45 AM (tOkJB)

76 I don't know any Silver Star recipient that acts like that. He can go fuck himself with a Saguaro cactus.

....

And Rove can take the barbed-wire encrusted pineapple. Sideways.

Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 01, 2013 07:34 AM (JpC1K)


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Indeed.

More and more I'm beginning to think that we should ditch this whole political process, and it's concurrent "political class" and choose our President and Congressional representatives the way they select people for jury duty- a random pull from voter registration lists.

I can imagine opening the mail one evening and seeing: "Dear Mr. Nighthawk: for the next six years you have been appointed Senator from the State of VIrginia.  Please report on January 1st..."

Posted by: Nighthawk at August 01, 2013 02:45 AM (OtQXp)

77 Did they ever report why Michael Hastings was out driving around that time of night?

Posted by: Hands Off My Weiner! at August 01, 2013 02:46 AM (tCBZk)

78 And it's not that Cruz wants to shut down the government. He wants to force the Democrats to shut down the government if they do not defund O-care. O-care is unpopular across the board. People hate government shutdowns. The blame for both can be laid at the feet of the Dems and they know it! Do it!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 02:46 AM (+98Gb)

79 A shutdown is not unpopular with this voter.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2013 02:46 AM (iQit/)

80 It's so cute that you think we'll get anything we want even then. *pats you on head whilst nibbling biscuit and tots* Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Take us away. at August 01, 2013 07:44 AM (Gk3SS)


This is why you elect actual conservatives.  Which is what everyone here has always said.

The problem is how to stop them from going native once they're here *coughKellyAyotte*

Hmmmmm.  I must ponder.

....

Automatically fitted for a permanent command-detonated suicide vest at the swearing in ceremony?

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/u][/i][/s][/b] at August 01, 2013 02:47 AM (JpC1K)

81 80 A shutdown is not unpopular with this voter. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2013 07:46 AM (iQit/) Why? Most people fail to realize that essential services like the military and law enforcement, and things like SSI and Medicare and other lucre will still come. It is a winning issue, because the blame will be on the Dems.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 02:48 AM (+98Gb)

82 But to hear it told now, Bob Dole would have totally won in '96 if people weren't mad ad the GOP over the shutdown. Or something.

Posted by: Andy at August 01, 2013 07:44 AM (li+aS)



Dear God, I don't know how even lying piles of shit can promulgate the canard that Bob fucking Dole had a prayer of a chance to get within sniffing distance of the White House.  What a pathetic excuse for a candidate.  Good man but just a terrible choice that the squishes were very very happy with.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2013 02:48 AM (3rfN7)

83 Posted by: Sean Bannion at August 01, 2013 07:34 AM (JpC1K)

Isn't it fascinating how the GOP "establishment ruling class" can go after TEA Party conservatives (or conservatives of any stripe) with all the no-holds-barred viciousness of a cornered weasel, yet give Barky, Holder, and Shillary a pass on actual criminal behavior, incompetence, and subversion of the Constitution. 


Once you understand that they are both playing for the perpetual seats of power in DC (and all the rest of in fly-over country don't matter), it becomes much more understandable.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 01, 2013 02:49 AM (XdnQT)

84 83 OOPS! Sorry Fenelon. You said not UN-popular. I read it as not popular. Consider me chastised.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 02:49 AM (+98Gb)

85 15 The tactic isn't to sell a shutdown as reasonable - the tactic is to convince the Left that *we* don't think it's a bad thing and therefore we are willing to deliver on the quote unquote "threat."

When you're negotiating you have to make the other guy think you're sincere.

Posted by: @johntant at August 01, 2013 07:22 AM (QBANa)

You know that. I know that. Cruz knows that.

 

Gabe doesn't, yet.

 

Cruz is no dummy Gabe.

 

And OCare will only be repealed when the country collapses. Repealing it is a pipe dream.

Posted by: blindside at August 01, 2013 02:49 AM (ajjwb)

86 It would be nice to just enforce O-Care and watch people clamor for repeal.  The problem is we don't control the presidency and he shows no inclination to follow the law.  He'll pick and choose what makes him and the Dems look good.   The only thing the House has is the purse.  We only have a hammer so it's time to make everything a nail.

Posted by: Chris at August 01, 2013 02:49 AM (aBOfW)

87 The thought occurs to me that the reason Congress is being extraordinarily shy about exerting its powers is that it knows it risks being dissolved by the King. I can tell you one thing. The Royalists are not going to like Cromwell when he arrives.

Posted by: phunctor at August 01, 2013 02:52 AM (2UX1i)

88 The only thing the House has is the purse. We only have a hammer so it's time to make everything a nail. Posted by: Chris at August 01, 2013 07:49 AM (aBOfW)


I agree with that 110%.

We ought to push it more than we do.

But that's not the way this town works.  The phrase I've heard around here most often in the last 5-6 years, more than all my other time here is, "We'll fix it in committee."

Translation from the Washington-ese:  "We will ignore our constituents in committee."

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/u][/i][/s][/b] at August 01, 2013 02:53 AM (JpC1K)

89

Cruz is trying to convince pubs a shut down is not the end of the world, and convince the dems that pubs have no problem doing it.

 

It isn't a nuclear option if you announce in advance you would never use a nuke.  THAT is bad negotiating, taking your most feared weapon off the table. 

 

Perhaps Cruz is the one who understands hard ball negotiating

Posted by: thunderb at August 01, 2013 02:54 AM (zOTsN)

90 87 Posted by: Chris at August 01, 2013 07:49 AM (aBOfW) I have to say that my first instinct is to repeal/derail/hinder this beast before it takes hold. BUT... O-care is not an entitlement like Social Security or even Medicare/Medicaid in that it is not a check that appears in your mailbox every month. People love "free" money. Obamacare is not that. It is free misery, pain, death and suffering. So, that said, I would think that getting rid of it would be a lead pipe cinch once the death panels start decreeing who lives and dies. BUT... England has had the NHS since late 40's and even Maggie Thatcher couldn't get rid of that, despite the horror show that is British healthcare. Shorter Sefton - Defund it, delay it, sabotage it now by any means before it can take hold and then repeal it when we have the power and political will to do so.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 02:55 AM (+98Gb)

91 What would be the best way to support Cruz in his efforts. I'm as good as bitching and moaning as anyone else ;^) , but I like to engage in some proactive acts.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2013 02:56 AM (iQit/)

92 Gabe, trying to tell Ted Cruz how to Senatate. 

That's funny.  I'm sure he's reading this now, Gabe, taking notes on your brilliant political advice.  So you keep thinking, Gabe, it's what you're good at. 

Posted by: BurtTC at August 01, 2013 02:56 AM (BeSEI)

93 #68   I agree with you completely,  T.   I try at every opportunity to transmit those things I think important to my grandchildren. 

When was the last time there was a movie with the least smidgin of patriotism?  I can't recall,  but it seems like it has been years.

Posted by: Baton Rouge at August 01, 2013 02:57 AM (GoIUi)

94 Perhaps Cruz is the one who understands hard ball negotiating

Posted by: thunderb at August 01, 2013 07:54 AM (zOTsN)



Of course, which is why the Repukes have their crosshairs on him more than on the JEF's "creeping authoritarianism", in the words of Daniel Henninger.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2013 02:57 AM (3rfN7)

95 92 What would be the best way to support Cruz in his efforts. I'm as good as bitching and moaning as anyone else ;^) , but I like to engage in some proactive acts. Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2013 07:56 AM (iQit/) I think he has a couple of on-line petitions going for this as well as Amnesty. Maybe it was Mike Lee; thought he mentioned something on Rush yesterday?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 02:57 AM (+98Gb)

96 leading like you are afraid of people disliking you, especially your enemies, is not leading

Posted by: thunderb at August 01, 2013 02:58 AM (zOTsN)

97 He'll pick and choose what makes him and the Dems look good. The only thing the House has is the purse. We only have a hammer so it's time to make everything a nail.

Posted by: Chris at August 01, 2013 07:49 AM (aBOfW)


The media will support his choice of lie that makes the Dems look good.



Rove and the consultant class will never recommend to an elected official that the power of  the purse actually should be used as the Founders intended it to used as a check to usurpation of Constitutionally allocated power, nor will moderate Republican leaders (Cantor, Boehner, etc.) ever entertain such a thought as it might tarnish their legacy (as they know the media can do).



"Our" hammer head may be made of high speed steel, but the handle is made of squishy rubber and will be wielded by accommodationists.

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 01, 2013 02:59 AM (XdnQT)

98 leading like you are afraid of people disliking you, especially your enemies, is not leading  Posted by: thunderb at August 01, 2013 07:58 AM (zOTsN)


As I recall that was lesson #11 in Lieutenant School.

Posted by: Sean Bannion[/u][/i][/s][/b] at August 01, 2013 02:59 AM (JpC1K)

99 @wikileaks FLASH: Edward Snowden has successfully acquired refugee status in Russia and will shortly leave the airport.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 01, 2013 02:59 AM (X6akg)

100 Yesterday's Pew poll sorta kinda blew my mind. Well, for whatever it's worth that poll is dead opposite me, and I'm an original Tea Partier. Pew is very left wing IMO, so I never take them seriously. They are seriously biased.

Posted by: backhoe at August 01, 2013 02:59 AM (ULH4o)

101 >> BUT... O-care is not an entitlement like Social Security or even Medicare/Medicaid in that it is not a check that appears in your mailbox every month. sure it is, in fact it's worse. It is causing the cost of healthcare to skyrocket, it is causing companies to drop coverage, and it is making doctors drop out of the system. And it is subsidizing the overpriced insurance that it mandates for a large percentage of people. So while making the system fragile, expensive and scary, it corners the market on security. Once those checks start going out it will be hard to explain that there is a better alternative.

Posted by: endeavor to persevere at August 01, 2013 02:59 AM (zZJJp)

102 Well no one won the Powerball last night, so the annuity jackpot rolled over.  It will be worth an estimated $290 million Saturday night.

Two in OK and OR won $2 million.

Five in CA, CT, FL, NY, and PA got all five white numbers and $1 million.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 01, 2013 03:00 AM (lDXPG)

103 www.DONTFUNDOBAMACARE.com

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 03:00 AM (+98Gb)

104 Snowden has Russian asylum,  I guess.  They are reporting he just got papers to leave the airport.

Posted by: Baton Rouge at August 01, 2013 03:00 AM (GoIUi)

105 We have a government running a trillion dollar deficit every year, based on an unsustainable entitlement system. Yet we have so called Republicans wondering if it's a good idea to try an stop another entitlement program we can't afford and will establish a substandard healthcare system.

Posted by: lowandslow at August 01, 2013 03:01 AM (Fz2C7)

106 And now Snowden can go get his government-supplied job in a factory in some factory in Buttfuckistan making television sets.  Bravo!

Posted by: @JohnTant at August 01, 2013 03:02 AM (eytER)

107 Rove and the consultant class will never recommend to an elected official that the power of the purse actually should be used as the Founders intended it to used as a check to usurpation of Constitutionally allocated power



Rove viewed spending just the same as the commiecrats did; only it was for "our" people.  The concept of fiscal responsibility went right in the shitter under GWB which really did give the donks something to legitimately beat the Repukes over their simple fucking heads about.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2013 03:03 AM (3rfN7)

108 leading like you are afraid your enemies will dislike you gives you McCain, Boehner, Spector...no thanks. 

Posted by: thunderb at August 01, 2013 03:03 AM (zOTsN)

109

Snowden has Russian asylum, I guess. They are reporting he just got papers to leave the airport.

 

Posted by: Baton Rouge at August 01, 2013 08:00 AM (GoIUi)

 

Translation - Snowden agreed to give what secrets he has left to Soviet Russia.

 

Can we call him a traitor now?

Posted by: steveegg at August 01, 2013 03:04 AM (o44nj)

110 Have I mentioned I live in CT and can't stand the place? As soon as my daughter turns 18 I'm out of here and if my ex-wife passed away tomorrow I'd already be looking up places in Kentucky or Tennessee. So that rat bastard democrat (I repeat myself) Malloy snuck through a law requiring a license to purchase ammunition in CT yesterday. I got no heads up from the NRA on this either which really raises my ire. "The bill establishes a new revocable state issued “ammunition eligibility certificate”, which will require the applicant to pass a national criminal background check. " Which means of course I'll be making purchases out of state. Screw them.

Posted by: gdonovan at August 01, 2013 03:04 AM (gUyxH)

111 some one please primary McCain.  He just gave an interview where he said he might vote for Hillary.  He is fixing to change parties.  Lets speed that process along.  Cant we get rid of him

Posted by: thunderb at August 01, 2013 03:05 AM (zOTsN)

112 >>>>>we have so called Republicans wondering if it's a good idea to try an stop another entitlement program we can't afford and will establish a substandard healthcare system.<<<<<

GOP apparently stands for "Group of Plaza-Toros".

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at August 01, 2013 03:05 AM (E3gqr)

113

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 07:55 AM (+98Gb)

 

Point of order - PlaceboCare is, for those making between 100% and 400% of the poverty level, "free" money.  It matters not to them that it's worse than having "no" insurance.

Posted by: steveegg at August 01, 2013 03:06 AM (o44nj)

114 I think decoupling Obamacare from the CR and defunding what parts we can,  while passing the rest of the CR,  is the best resolution.

If you refuse to pass the entire resolution,  then Obama will do a larger version of the sequester punishments (keeping kids out of the White House,  stopping the Blue Angels,  etc.)

He would propabably get on TV and tell everyone that we didn't have money for EBT cards or unemployment,  followed by tearjerk interviews with suffering citizens.

It's going to be pretty hard to find people who are upset about the IRS not getting money for more agents.

Posted by: Baton Rouge at August 01, 2013 03:06 AM (GoIUi)

115 Thank God for John McCain, a voice of reason in this age of mob rule

Posted by: Lincolnasdf at August 01, 2013 03:06 AM (VrVBw)

116 Posted by: gdonovan at August 01, 2013 08:04 AM (gUyxH)


Well, the Second Amendment didn't specifically say that you should be able to have or acquire ammunition, and it is a living document (although apparently in its final death throes), so...

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 01, 2013 03:07 AM (XdnQT)

117

I would rather have McCain as an enemy than a friend.  As a friend, he will stab you in the back.  As an enemy, he will d anything to help you.  Make him run as a dem.  Spector him. Fuck em

Posted by: thunderb at August 01, 2013 03:09 AM (zOTsN)

118 Posted by: Lincolnasdf at August 01, 2013 08:06 AM (VrVBw) Congratulations. That was the best early morning bait thrown I've ever seen. :^( Meh.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2013 03:09 AM (iQit/)

119 108 Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2013 08:03 AM (3rfN7) I hope people realize that for a brief time during Bush's term, the GOP had a super-majority in Congress. Did they pass a balanced budget amendment? Did they attempt to shrink the size/scope of the bureaucracy? Did they attempt to secure our borders? Did they attempt to reign in entitlements? NO. George W. Bush and the GOP-controlled Congress expanded government, attempted Amnesty, created more entitlements and became the most profligate spender in American history up until SCOAMF came into office. If this doesn't hammer home the belief that the GOP establishment is to a large extent, if not totally, in lock-step with the Democrats, then not much else will.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 03:09 AM (+98Gb)

120 I honestly think McVain is losing his fucking mind, even more than usual.  That dumbass stunt when he wandered into a donks only meeting yesterday was daft even by that shithead's standards.  He'd never listen to anybody, probably not even his doctor, so there's no positive way out of this that I can see.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2013 03:09 AM (3rfN7)

121 We are losing freedoms left and right here.  Can we govern ourselves or do we require an elite nanny government?  Freedom is not free, sometimes you have to put your ass on the line.  GOP- there are no more hills.

Posted by: Case at August 01, 2013 03:09 AM (tjj0w)

122 Remember this post when Gabe tells you that while he may be a social liberal, he's a fiscal conservative. Because nothing screams fiscal conservative like adding billions to our already unsustainable debt.

Posted by: lowandslow at August 01, 2013 03:10 AM (Fz2C7)

123 This GOP is going to suddenly become so smart and popular it gets a Senate majority? Between selling out its base and standing for nothing? Combine the GOP itself with the tactics the Dems will and have used against it (See: Christine O'Donnell) and we'll be lucky to have token representation.

Posted by: zsasz at August 01, 2013 03:10 AM (MMC8r)

124 I don't know why some of these Senators don't just get it over with an join the Democratic Party?

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2013 03:10 AM (iQit/)

125 *thinks up an idea and then grabs the brain bleach*

Great moments in cinematic history.  From Here to Eternity beach scene starring Anthony Weiner and Sydney Leathers.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 01, 2013 03:11 AM (lDXPG)

126 Regarding McCain: He has pulled that "I might switch parties" thing or a variation of it since 2000.  He held up the Senate until he got CFR,  also with the threat that he might jump like Jeffords.

If I remember correctly,  one of his advisors was even pushing that idea in the summer of 2001,  because he was still resentful he hadn't gotten the nomination.

Posted by: Baton Rouge at August 01, 2013 03:11 AM (GoIUi)

127 If this GOP had control of the Senate, I don't believe that you could tell the difference!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 01, 2013 03:12 AM (XdnQT)

128  McCain and Christie, right now, are bigger enemies of conservatism than the dems. 

Posted by: thunderb at August 01, 2013 03:14 AM (zOTsN)

129

Hawaya, Horde!

 

Hmm, it looks like that prostate exam wasn't a prostate exam after all:  it was a screwing.

 

SNAFU.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at August 01, 2013 03:15 AM (0HooB)

130

Combine the GOP itself with the tactics the Dems will and have used against it (See: Christine O'Donnell) and we'll be lucky to have token representation.

 

Posted by: zsasz at August 01, 2013 08:10 AM (MMC8r)

 

The McPhony Brothers will be happy with that outcome.

Posted by: steveegg at August 01, 2013 03:17 AM (o44nj)

131 Primary them. Force the squishes out in the bluntest way possible.

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at August 01, 2013 03:19 AM (mhDRq)

132 Cruz would make a fine VP for teh Sarah Just saying

Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 03:20 AM (AsiVD)

133 there's no positive way out of this that I can see.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2013 08:09 AM (3rfN7)

Oh, there are plenty of positive ways out.

Let's start with a nice, minor stroke.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at August 01, 2013 03:21 AM (gqgiP)

134 Gabe, If we ever get the senate votes to repeal it. We have senators that only care about holding on to power, no matter how impotent they are. The best example is Mitch McConnell, he talks the talk but doesnÂ’tÂ’ do anything about it. He continues to fund it. I hope Matt Bevin defeats him in the KY Republican primary. In addition to being chinless, heÂ’s spineless. Last night I had an email from For America that I posted here, they called him a chicken.

Posted by: CarolT at August 01, 2013 03:21 AM (z4WKX)

135 McCain will do more damage to the dems as a dem than he ever did as a pub. 

Posted by: thunderb at August 01, 2013 03:22 AM (zOTsN)

136 If this doesn't hammer home the belief that the GOP establishment is to a large extent, if not totally, in lock-step with the Democrats, then not much else will.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 08:09 AM (+98Gb)

 

--- And extended the VRA 

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 01, 2013 03:22 AM (R8hU8)

137 WOuld it not be sweet to see McCain SPectored by the Dems!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 01, 2013 03:23 AM (XdnQT)

138

"Cruz would make a fine VP for teh Sarah
Just saying"

Ah...Palin/Cruz 2016...Awesomeness

Posted by: jjo at August 01, 2013 03:23 AM (gWO5X)

139 136. But but but McCain said he would build the damn fence!!!11!!1!

Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 03:23 AM (AsiVD)

140 Cruz knows far more about negotiating than you ever will, Gabe - remember that HE'S the one with real courtroom experience. He knows that even the hint of shutdown is complete ANATHEMA to the Democrats, and he also knows that NO democrat is going to listen to anything he has to say, other than to try and find ways to use it against him, so saying this achieves the goal of bolstering his base, letting them know there's nothing to fear, while simultaneously terrifying the Democrats who all think a shutdown is TEOTWAWKI. That's how you set out a strong position to negotiate from. You don't do it by dropping your drawers, bending over and saying "Please be nice to me, Sir!"

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 01, 2013 03:24 AM (hTDbY)

141 139. The liberal suicide rate would explode It's a win/win

Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 03:24 AM (AsiVD)

142 Thank goodness the GOP is opposing every move by the left and being the opposition party we all know they can be.

Posted by: Lincolnasdf at August 01, 2013 03:25 AM (VrVBw)

143 McCain will do more damage to the dems as a dem than he ever did as a pub.

Posted by: thunderb at August 01, 2013 08:22 AM (zOTsN)



And like with Specter, they'll turn on him because nobody trusts a turncoat.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2013 03:25 AM (3rfN7)

144 The way to repeal a stupid law is to enforce it with vigor. - toby928© Years ago, the Oklahoma Attorney General begin strictly enforcing Oklahoma's Club laws. Subsequently the law was repealed and we got liquor by the drink. However, Oklahomans are mostly sensible, and like to drink. OTOH, with Obamacare, the citizenry are insensible and think they'll get free healthcare. Otherwise, I might say, yeah, that works. Annnnnd good morning, revolutionaries.

Posted by: mindful webworker, partner in plodding at August 01, 2013 03:25 AM (Yo5F4)

145 instead of Palin/Cruz  we are more likely to get Christie/jelly donut

Posted by: thunderb at August 01, 2013 03:26 AM (zOTsN)

146

Oh cmon Gabe, Democrats want government to roll on, no matter how Cruz argues in negotiations. Its who they are for f#### sake. Cruz is talking for the benefit of the worried public here, whose support we will need, if the demorats cling to 0-care.

 

You really seem to go out of your way to find fault with Cruz.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at August 01, 2013 03:27 AM (+KXPn)

147 146. Dunkin donut stocks soar!!

Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 03:28 AM (AsiVD)

148

Slight difference between 1996 and now - Gingrich and company didn't have Fox News, a well-developed conservative talk radio network, or a well-developed right-of-Che component on the Innertube....

 

Wait, they still don't have Fox News or the "insider" portion of the right-of-Che component on the Innertubes.

 

We're terminally boned.

Posted by: steveegg at August 01, 2013 03:29 AM (o44nj)

149

There   are   lots   non-positive things happening  to the economy already in the OCare pre-rollout:   insurance premiums  rising exponentially, employees   having their hours reduced, and the large number of groups seeking waivers (which alone would be   a good basis for a SCOTUS lawsuit: how can you pass a law and then exempt anyone   from it?).

 

If only some enterprising group of people, perhaps with some political inclinations, could come up with a list of these negative impacts and start speaking about   them at every opportunity,  they might, just might, begin to sway the remaining 40% of the electorate that supports this unconstitutional law.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at August 01, 2013 03:29 AM (0HooB)

150

Ah...Palin/Cruz 2016...Awesomeness

 

But the Donks HATE her!  And the MFM HATE her!  And the squish GOP HATE her!

 

Which tells me, she is a great choice.  Palin/Cruz 2016!

Posted by: Case at August 01, 2013 03:29 AM (tjj0w)

151 137 And extended the VRA Posted by: Velvet Ambition at August 01, 2013 08:22 AM (R8hU Oh, I could go on and on, as you could. And I forgot to mention rolling over for all of their judicial and administrative appointees and letting them kick ours in the balls every time. Fuck the GOP. As a party, they are dead to me.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 03:30 AM (+98Gb)

152 Okay gabe, why would a shutdown be so bad? I think it'll show the middle class we can survive without the federal behemoth

Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 03:30 AM (AsiVD)

153

Thank goodness the GOP is opposing every move by the left and being the opposition party we all know they can be.

 

Posted by: Lincolnasdf at August 01, 2013 08:25 AM (VrVBw)

 

That reminds me of a joke (not a funny one, but a true one):

 

What's the difference between the Rats' and Pubbies' definitions of "loyal opposition"?  The Rats, when they're not in power, emphasize "opposition" to the mutual exclusion of "loyalty".  Pubbies, when they're not in power, emphasize "loyal" to the mutual exclusion of "opposition".

Posted by: steveegg at August 01, 2013 03:31 AM (o44nj)

154 But a government shutdown would kill Big Bird!!!

Posted by: zsasz at August 01, 2013 03:32 AM (MMC8r)

155 WTF with the two pop up windows on this website?

Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at August 01, 2013 03:32 AM (a0o+l)

156 130 Hawaya, Horde! Hmm, it looks like that prostate exam wasn't a prostate exam after all: it was a screwing. SNAFU. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at August 01, 2013 08:15 AM (0HooB) You using the whole fist, Doc? "Moon River...."

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 03:32 AM (+98Gb)

157 "Tom Coburn is, what's the word? Oh yes, LYING." -J.J. Sefton When Sherry McEvil talked about GOP nomination in the Oklahoma congressional and state offices, I kept thinking, yeah, but then there's Coburn.

Posted by: mindful webworker, partner in plodding at August 01, 2013 03:32 AM (KmZtw)

158

I'm going to skip the comments for a minute to go: Gabe, I think the DC air is getting to you.

Your negotiating strategy is one way to do it.  But Cruz's is also a time honored strategy of saying "I'm just crazy enough to do this."

 

You make the case that a shutdown doesn't bother you that much, because the Democrats are counting on us backing away out of fear.  Cruz is saying "I ain't afraid."

 

Meanwhile the stuff that does get turned off in a "temporary government shutdown" is usually stuff the left loves.  Is it a good strategy? Unclear right now, but it's not as stupid as you're making it out to be.

Posted by: tsrblke at August 01, 2013 03:33 AM (GaqMa)

159 154. I'm on my iPhone so can't view the cute Kittehs right?

Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 03:34 AM (AsiVD)

160 One huge problem I see with the situation is that the RINOs and the sell outs don't suffer any negative consequences. The real damage of voting for the lesser of 2 evils is that these Republicans know that they will still keep their seats.

I know everyone says that I would be cutting off my nose to spite my face if I didn't vote for Pat Toomey when he is up for re-election in 2016 in PA. But how else do we send a message to these f@#ckers to cut this shit out? They know there are no consequences to drifting further left in their subsequent terms. PA is not the perfect example because it's a blue state but you get the idea.

I heard Mark Levin refer to an idea Doug Ross apparently had of voting for the Dem in John Boehner's district. Why not? Why not a campaign of consequences for the leadership? We could work to win a few additional seats but try to take out the most egregious bastards.

If they keep thinking we have nowhere else to go, they will keep doing what they do - betraying us.

Posted by: jeannebodine at August 01, 2013 03:35 AM (KLWgj)

161 I'm on my iPhone so can't view the cute Kittehs right? Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 08:34 AM (AsiVD) Dogs. Bernese mountain.

Posted by: EC at August 01, 2013 03:37 AM (GQ8sn)

162 Posted by: toby928© at August 01, 2013 07:19 AM (QupBk)--- Or as Dead Ted Kennedy would say "Viggah!!!!"

Posted by: Baldy at August 01, 2013 03:37 AM (tyDFN)

163 162. Instead of that primary the crybaby The vast majority of primaries go on to win the general

Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 03:37 AM (AsiVD)

164 58-year old who threw the green paint is in US on an EXPIRED US visa with a Chinese passport.  Just heard it on Fox.

Posted by: Baton Rouge at August 01, 2013 03:37 AM (GoIUi)

165 Gawd I have grown to hate the idiot McCain. Stupid son of a bitch really, really needs to get turned out of office. He, like the Fat Bastard Rino, is nothing but a liability, as well as a constant reminder of the stupidity of voters.

Posted by: maddogg at August 01, 2013 03:37 AM (OlN4e)

166 "Cruz has to be aware that a shutdown is unpopular with voters" Unpopular with those who rely overwhelmingly on the leviathan.

Posted by: RWC at August 01, 2013 03:37 AM (fWAjv)

167 My modest proposal: let's do that. . . until we've got the Senate seats to repeal it.  That's some weapons-grade funny stuff there, Malor. But go ahead and keep pushing the likes of McVain down our throats because that's how we eventually get Obamacare repealed. After all, that strategery worked so brilliantly from JAN 03 through JAN 07, right?

Posted by: DocJ at August 01, 2013 03:38 AM (qCk/f)

168 167 Posted by: maddogg at August 01, 2013 08:37 AM (OlN4e) Yeah, McStain will either retire or die in office. He deserves to be unceremoniously tossed out in a primary. THAT would leave a mark. Come on, Arizona. You can do it!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 03:39 AM (+98Gb)

169 163. Dogs are teh cute? Now take my kitteh Cutest little ball of fur as a baby Then he grew.... 20 lbs of insane evil with claws Hmmmm, kind of like my daughter...

Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 03:39 AM (AsiVD)

170 The vast majority of primaries go on to win the general Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 08:37 AM (AsiVD) Are you sure about that? It's the incumbents that are usually favoured.

Posted by: EC at August 01, 2013 03:39 AM (GQ8sn)

171 Years ago, the Oklahoma Attorney General begin strictly enforcing Oklahoma's Club laws. Subsequently the law was repealed and we got liquor by the drink. However, Oklahomans are mostly sensible, and like to drink. Except at Choctaw Casino in Durant.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2013 03:40 AM (GjYxB)

172 Dogs are teh cute? First link was to a puppy playing in the snow. IT'S SO FLUFFY!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: EC at August 01, 2013 03:40 AM (GQ8sn)

173 159 Posted by: mindful webworker, partner in plodding at August 01, 2013 08:32 AM (KmZtw) Clicked on your nic. Nice site, which is almost as popular as Allan G's. By the way, what the hell is that video of the cop pulling that kid away??!! Any follow up as to why? Sheesh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 03:40 AM (+98Gb)

174 I find it startling that Mccain didn't "sell out" at the Hanoi Hilton but now he is selling out to the Communist Hillary.

Posted by: tony redenzo at August 01, 2013 03:41 AM (888y+)

175 This forever remains the problem with the Republican Party. It is always about the next battle. It is always about the next fight. We have to horde what we have because if we use it now we won't have it later. And the next battle, that is what really matters. But that is not how power works. That is not how strength works. My muscles are hardened in battle and grow flabby while waiting. My army grows strong through victory, wise in defeat, and weak through inaction. My followers grow when I am bold, and shrink try to play nice. I can not stand with a man who sits and plans for the next election while government forces crush his base. I can not fight with a party who negotiates peace while its supporters become targets of oppression before they can start to fight,. There is a time for negotiation. There is a time to plan for the future. But there must also be a time to take action. A time to throw out the plans and risk it all for victory. Or else, the people will decide you are worth risking nothing.

Posted by: SangreTheBold at August 01, 2013 03:41 AM (XuoWQ)

176 I heard Mark Levin refer to an idea Doug Ross apparently had of voting for the Dem in John Boehner's district. Why not? Why not a campaign of consequences for the leadership? We could work to win a few additional seats but try to take out the most egregious bastards.

If they keep thinking we have nowhere else to go, they will keep doing what they do - betraying us.

Posted by: jeannebodine at August 01, 2013 08:35 AM (KLWgj)



Boehner's in a safe district so casting a few protest votes might get his attention as far as his percentage taking a slight drop while he still stays in office.  Of course the fucking lush might react by saying "Well the tea partiers hate me so I'll bend them over even more while rewarding my country clubber supporters with MOAR AMNESTY".

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2013 03:41 AM (3rfN7)

177 172. Yeppers Most districts will almost always vote straight dem or rep Because people are too damn lazy to vote one by one

Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 03:41 AM (AsiVD)

178 I remember when not having a budget was reason enough to shut things down. Look at how quickly this CR bullshit has become the new normal for the sell-outs in DC.

Posted by: Invictus at August 01, 2013 03:42 AM (OQpzc)

179 162 Posted by: jeannebodine at August 01, 2013 08:35 AM (KLWgj) One or two in the House in purplish districts - if we still keep the majority in the end - might be a good idea to put the fear of G-d into these Quislings.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 03:42 AM (+98Gb)

180 174. Snow? What is this 'snow'?

Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 03:43 AM (AsiVD)

181 Hmm, it looks like that prostate exam wasn't a prostate exam after all: it was a screwing. Posted by: BackwardsBoy You using the whole fist, Doc? "Moon River...." It's ok if he has one hand on your shoulder. Two hands? Not so much....

Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2013 03:43 AM (GjYxB)

182 176I find it startling that Mccain didn't "sell out" at the Hanoi Hilton but now he is selling out to the Communist Hillary.

Posted by: tony redenzo at August 01, 2013 08:41 AM (888y+)

McCain admitted he broke. I expect he told them anything they wanted to hear.

Posted by: maddogg at August 01, 2013 03:43 AM (OlN4e)

183

Meanwhile the stuff that does get turned off in a "temporary government shutdown" is usually stuff the left loves. Is it a good strategy? Unclear right now, but it's not as stupid as you're making it out to be.

 

A  determined GOP Message Machine would  BOLO for the phrase, "non-essential government services"  from anyone in this administration, then pounce on that like a chicken on a junebug, as they used to say back home in Alabama.  If it's non-essential, then why   do we need   such a large and expensive bureaucracy to administer it?

 

Additionally, let TFG threaten to not send out SS   checks   (like he did a couple of years ago), then   play that clip   over  and over while asking why he hates old people who paid  into the system all their lives?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at August 01, 2013 03:43 AM (0HooB)

184

And it would not be the GOP is shutting down the government.  That would be the Donks.  Let them shut it down.

 

irony, what a concept

Posted by: Case at August 01, 2013 03:43 AM (wf3Kt)

185 58-year old who threw the green paint is in US on an EXPIRED US visa with a Chinese passport. Just heard it on Fox.

--

She came out of the shadows.

Posted by: Lady in Black at August 01, 2013 03:44 AM (LFvB+)

186 Navycopjoe-

Only one daughter?  Piker!

I got THREE of the little beasties...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 01, 2013 03:44 AM (wtvvX)

187 But we should really keep this whole anti-defunding rahrah and anti-Cruzapalooza in mind, when moderates start lecturing conservatives again, not to waste time going after "their own", but to focus on Dems.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at August 01, 2013 03:44 AM (+KXPn)

188 What is this 'snow'? What will happen to Hawaii if they make Day After Tomorrow II: The Revenge of Teh Al Gore.

Posted by: EC at August 01, 2013 03:44 AM (GQ8sn)

189 I'm on my iPhone so can't view the cute Kittehs right? Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 08:34 AM (AsiVD) Nope. Bernese Mountain puppy playing in snow and then three Bernese Mountain dogs going for ride. Also, those people who have three Bernese Mountain dogs, they're going through what, a cow a week to keep them fed?

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 01, 2013 03:45 AM (VtjlW)

190 With college football just four weeks away, here's a good article about Johnny Manziel, who's had a pretty turbulent off-season. Doesn't sound like he's enjoying life much or in a very good place right now. http://tinyurl.com/kkua7kt

Posted by: Blacksheep at August 01, 2013 03:45 AM (8/DeP)

191 188. 3?!! You poor poor stressed out man I learned my lesson after one

Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 03:46 AM (AsiVD)

192 Also, those people who have three Bernese Mountain dogs, they're going through what, a cow a week to keep them fed? Or a small child.

Posted by: EC at August 01, 2013 03:46 AM (GQ8sn)

193 Posted by: jeannebodine at August 01, 2013 08:35 AM (KLWgj)

Seems sort of like calling in artillery fire on your own coordinates, but that might be what it takes!

Posted by: Hrothgar at August 01, 2013 03:46 AM (XdnQT)

194 I think this post has nothing to do with Cruz' perceived negotiating skills, and everything to do with his positions on "social issues".  That's why all the Cruz hate.  Its dishonest

Posted by: thunderb at August 01, 2013 03:46 AM (zOTsN)

195 So Nancy Pelosi, who likes dark chocolate, gave the President an early birthday gift this week.

http://tinyurl.com/ol354lq

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 01, 2013 03:46 AM (u7lDh)

196 "Y'see, to get the Democrats to defund Obamacare, the idea is to present their only other alternative as completely unacceptable. Suggesting that the other alternative is no big deal defeats the whole exercise."

I only come here in the morning for the abject stupidity. And it's getting a little old. Fast.

Repeat after me. Democrats are counting that Republicans will fold like a lawn chair in a wind storm over the government shutdown. Because, well, past is prologue and this is McConnell and Boehner we're talking about, Gabe.

That " a government shutdown is no big deal" plays an important part in this negotiation for two reasons; it mollify s public concerns, which Democrats are trying to stoke with false notions and it fights back against idiots like Saxby Chambliss who are stating a government shutdown is a precursor to Armageddon.

By the way, Saxby's's an idiot especially since he was in Congress last time (hint, he needs to go) this happened. He should therefore intimately know the last shutdown cost us, well, nothing we wouldn't have otherwise lost. It didn't cost cost control of the House where we lost about 9 seats we were going to lose anyway and we retained control of the Senate. We also got much of what we wanted in the negotiation because, well, Republicans stood on principle and, pay attention to this part, Democrats thought we would fold. Where's the big "disaster" in that champ? 

No, this was a wise move to influence major participants and influence the outcome. So lighten up and read some books on negotiating or something. Because you sound like a wimpy, neophyte that couldn't negotiate a cup of lemonade from a 6 year old.

Posted by: Marcus at August 01, 2013 03:46 AM (GGCsk)

197 Sadly I also think that the entire system is both and corrupting. With few exceptions, those elected to public office are quickly seduced by the trappings, the power and the money. Elections have virtually no consequences anymore. I admire Levin for his new book/plan to utilize Article V, but that will take much longer than this nation has. We're hanging on by a red c-nt hair as it is, so an enterprise that needs time as well as elected officials willing to en masse act honorably and ethically to move it forward are both in very short supply.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 03:47 AM (+98Gb)

198

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at August 01, 2013 08:43 AM (0HooB)

 

My understanding is the new term is "life, Limb and Property."

But that may just be a higher standard.

Posted by: tsrblke at August 01, 2013 03:47 AM (GaqMa)

199 @193: My wife says it's my fault. I respond by saying she had a sexist cervix.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 01, 2013 03:48 AM (wtvvX)

200 198 Posted by: Marcus at August 01, 2013 08:46 AM (GGCsk) Too many faces, yet only 2 fists.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 03:48 AM (+98Gb)

201

Tom Coburn is, what's the word? Oh yes, LYING.

 

Obamacare will not be funded from somewhere else.

 

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 07:27 AM (+98Gb)

 

Most of PlaceboCare's funding, including the funding for the subsidies that will make it as involatile as SocSecurity and food stamps, is direct ("mandatory") spending, baked into law in perpetuity in 2010.  It's essentially the administration of PlaceboCare that has to be approved annually.

 

With that said, SHUT IT DOWN! SHUT IT DOWN NOW!

Posted by: steveegg at August 01, 2013 03:49 AM (o44nj)

202 You don't defund Obamacare, or any non-discretionary spending thru the CR process.  You do it thru appropriations.

You separate Obamacare from the rest now.

Posted by: Jean at August 01, 2013 03:49 AM (CMlD4)

203 201 @193: My wife says it's my fault. I respond by saying she had a sexist cervix. Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 01, 2013 08:48 AM (wtvvX) I was a cervix monitor in public school. Or was that a service monitor. Hmm, let me get my yearbook out...

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 03:49 AM (+98Gb)

204 The amount of cognitive dissonance it must take to be Nancy Pelosi could probably power a fucking aircraft carrier.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 01, 2013 03:50 AM (wtvvX)

205

I expect he told them anything they wanted to hear.

 

 

there is no shame in that.  He resisted to the utmost of his ability, which was far more than most could.  I stand in awe of what he endured.

 

That being said, it does not excuse his lying about being a conservative

Posted by: thunderb at August 01, 2013 03:50 AM (zOTsN)

206 ... Johnny Manziel, ....turbulent off-season. Doesn't sound like he's enjoying life much or in a very good place right now.

*****

Well he's been drinking since he was a kid and people tut-tut over his emotional problems? This will soon be the rule for behavior from the privileged classes.

Posted by: Dept. Of Acuracy at August 01, 2013 03:51 AM (VWfCN)

207 203 Posted by: steveegg at August 01, 2013 08:49 AM (o44nj) Well, yes. Shut it down now. And without the money to administer the evil edict, it does get strangled in the cradle, at least for the time being until we can do something about it like full repeal - assuming that the same fuckwads being cheered on by Gabe will actually do as they say they want to if by some miracle we take back the Senate and capture the White House come 2016.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 03:52 AM (+98Gb)

208 Cruz says he will fund everything but O-care. Try to keep up. Or listen.

Posted by: Hostilian at August 01, 2013 03:53 AM (BgouL)

209 let it burn

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl at August 01, 2013 03:53 AM (8JJ6O)

210 @208: He's been drinking since he was a kid?  Are we talking 17? 15? 12?

Had not heard that one before...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 01, 2013 03:53 AM (wtvvX)

211 Bwahahahahaha!!! OMG. Laughing until sides hurt! Per Drudge: Gay athletes could be prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics. http://tinyurl.com/lnozet7 Seems teh commies are not into teh gheys. When you've lost teh muzzies & teh commies..

Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2013 03:53 AM (GjYxB)

212 Posted by: Blacksheep at August 01, 2013 08:45 AM (8/DeP)



He's got all the physical tools but it doesn't look like he's handling fame very well.  Being a stud quarterback who keeps his head straight is walking a very thin line.  If you talk to old timers west of Pittsburgh, they'll tell you how hated Joe Montana and his father were because of how they acted like they walked on water.  But things worked out pretty well for him.  I wish Manziel well because I think he plays exciting football.

Posted by: Captain Hate at August 01, 2013 03:54 AM (3rfN7)

213

It's difficult for people to realize how small a group the politically aware are.  We're a tiny minority in a sea of relative idiots.

 

If we could get the those of us on the right to come to grips with this fact, we could also begin to understand people want simple choices.

 

Don't ask them to figure something out.  Give them two options.  Either this or that.  The opposition's plan or our plan. 

 

Because we haven't accepted the cosmic truth of this statement, we're stuck with ObamaCare, a shit-ladened immigration plan, terrible tax policy and a hundred other bad plans we have no solid alternative to.

 

When faced with a choice between a bad plan and no plan, the voters will take the bad plan every time. 

 

Also, it's important that the right learn that it's entirely possible to make a conservative plan on just about every issue.  Some would like to argue that the true conservative position is the absence of a plan.  It just doesn't work.

 

 

Posted by: jwest at August 01, 2013 03:54 AM (u2a4R)

214 Tom Coburn is, what's the word? Oh yes, LYING. Obamacare will not be funded from somewhere else. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 07:27 AM (+98Gb) I mentioned this above, what's to stop DHS or the IRS or any other agency for that matter from just spending the money anyway? Who is going to stop them? The courts? Ahahahahahahahaha. How to clean a Bernese Mountain dog - http://youtu.be/q1h95_3ydVk Why, no, no, I did not watch Best In Show last night, why do you ask? *shifty eyes*

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 01, 2013 03:54 AM (VtjlW)

215

So Horde,

I come to you for advice.

My city just got a submission for a zoning variance to put in a grocery store.  Some "Fresh Market" place.

This would be the 6th grocer in about a 3-4 mile stretch of the road (and I'm just looking at 1 road, not drawing a circle.)

Seems a bit overkill to me. Especially since the muckity muck got all out of shape about the Aldi's they just put in because...poor people (no really, that was their bitch.)

But the lot is empty.

So do I tell the committee, "The fuck we need another grocer for?" or just let it go because there's no public monies involved?

Posted by: tsrblke at August 01, 2013 03:54 AM (GaqMa)

216

the Cruz hate has nothing to do with his negotiating skills

 

the Cruz hate has nothing to do with Obamacare

 

the Cruz hate is about something else entirely

Posted by: thunderb at August 01, 2013 03:54 AM (zOTsN)

217 206 The amount of cognitive dissonance it must take to be Nancy Pelosi could probably power a fucking aircraft carrier. Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 01, 2013 08:50 AM (wtvvX) Not so much cognitive dissonance as it is outright lying. Pelosi is too fucking wealthy and connected to believe all the Marxist claptrap she spews. She's merely a goniffing opportunist who uses the fundamentalist Haight-Ashbury commie drones to maintain her power. No more, no less.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 03:54 AM (+98Gb)

218 I am shocked SHOCKED to read that Gabe is unimpressed by the brightest young conservative in the Senate. /sarc

Posted by: Y-not is shocked I tell you at August 01, 2013 03:56 AM (5H6zj)

219 Elections have virtually no consequences anymore. I admire Levin for his new book/plan to utilize Article V, but that will take much longer than this nation has. We're hanging on by a red c-nt hair as it is, so an enterprise that needs time as well as elected officials willing to en masse act honorably and ethically to move it forward are both in very short supply.
___________

I agree. We don't have enough elected officials willing to act honorably. PA's state legislature  (and governor) is red but it is mostly business as usual with plenty of corruption. We can't even get rid of the Liquor Control Board so we still have to buy our hard stuff and wine in state stores, our cases of beer in distributors and our six-packs in delis, etc. Can't get any property tax reform through either which should be a no-brainer for the Rs.

Posted by: jeannebodine at August 01, 2013 03:56 AM (KLWgj)

220 The democrat party has much less to fear from a shutdown than they do from people seeing for themselves that a shutdown is no big deal. The sequester was sold to us as the end of the world. Obama pushed hard to maximize its public-facing effects. "Sequester" is now a one-word punchline.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 01, 2013 03:57 AM (V3kRK)

221 Seems teh commies are not into teh gheys.

I'm not so sure it's the "commies" behind that.  Putin seems to have a close relationship with the Russian Orthodox Church, which has regained a lot of its old pull among the populace since the USSR disbanded. I suspect it's more due to their influence.

But still funny.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 01, 2013 03:57 AM (wtvvX)

222 Especially since the muckity muck got all out of shape about the Aldi's they just put in because...poor people (no really, that was their bitch.) But the lot is empty. Really? Poor people are all about Aldi because the prices are great. Hell, I shop there too because prices. I don't know why the lot would be empty. If there aren't any public monies, I'd say let it go. Competition is healthy.

Posted by: EC at August 01, 2013 03:57 AM (GQ8sn)

223 Repuicans won't control the Senate until they stand for something. It's marketing 101 -- you don't present your product as a better version of the market leader. You present it as the ONLY option for the consumer to get some particular quality or element. You don't occupy the same niche as your competitor. You create a new niche and be the ONLY one in it. It's called a Unique Selling Proposition. Voting is a strange "product" in the sense that it's completely symbolic. It costs the buyer nothing. The price is zero versus zero. The thing that's "sold" is intangible -- a set of ideas about themselves and the country (which itself is really just another idea). Voting is the epitome of identity marketing -- people choose A or B based entirely on what the choice says about themselves. On what it means. On what it represents. What do Republicans represent? I've been asking this question to myself and others for 20 years, and never gotten a clear answer. If the Republicans are not offering real conservatism -- clear anti-Socialism -- then what do they offer? What is the Unique Selling Proposition of a Moderate Republican? I'm not just saying that I dislike the moderate wing of the Repubs. I'm sincerely confused about what qualities they think they are supposed to offer to voters.

Posted by: Phinn at August 01, 2013 03:58 AM (oFH2D)

224 In other news, husband tells me Hawaii is offering one way tix to the mainland to their homeless. May explain Provo's recent crackdown on panhandlers and uptick in crime.

Posted by: Y-not is shocked I tell you at August 01, 2013 03:58 AM (5H6zj)

225 218. Of course it is 1. He's from Texas 2. He's a tea party darling 3. He's from Texas 4. He's anti-establishment 5. He's from Texas 6. He's a true conservative 7. He's from texas

Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 03:58 AM (7D6bD)

226 217 So do I tell the committee, "The fuck we need another grocer for?" or just let it go because there's no public monies involved? Posted by: tsrblke at August 01, 2013 08:54 AM (GaqMa) If it is strictly private money then what the hell. Unless there is a pressing need for some other type of enterprise, like a Jewish Deli??? Seriously, let Adam Smith's pimp hand do its thing. Either the new guy is better/cheaper and puts one of the others out of biz or he goes down like a wet taco. Then again, I live in NYC. Similarly, NYU is trying to yet again expand and tear down buildings and build massive high rises right where I am living. Part of me says, if they didn't bribe anyone on the city council to get a variance (not likely), then it's their money and property to do with as they will. The other part of me says these fuckos are turning a college into a global franchise and destroying the city in the process. Enough already.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 03:58 AM (+98Gb)

227 JJ-

Oh, I know she lies like a dog. But I honestly believe that SHE believes most of her own bullshit. 

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 01, 2013 03:59 AM (wtvvX)

228 tsrblke-

I second JJ's comment.  Let the market decide what should be there.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 01, 2013 04:00 AM (wtvvX)

229 226. Yep, just allocated the funds for it Imagine being the poor bastard who has to sit next to one of these guys on a 9 hour flight

Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 04:01 AM (7D6bD)

230 >>> So do I tell the committee, "The fuck we need another grocer for?" or just let it go because there's no public monies involved? Will they be using an existing building or adding a new one? If they aren't over building the area I would be inclined to let Adam Smith do the work.

Posted by: fluffy at August 01, 2013 04:01 AM (z9HTb)

231 the Cruz hate has nothing to do with his negotiating skills

the Cruz hate has nothing to do with Obamacare

the Cruz hate is about something else entirely

Posted by: thunderb at August 01, 2013 08:54 AM (zOTsN)

 

Cruz actually appears to value the Constitution over "bipartisanship."  That's a mortal sin in DC.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 01, 2013 04:01 AM (zF6Iw)

232 Lot's of people seem to forget San Fran Nan's historical ties to that bastion of truth and integrity, Baltimore.

Her father used to be our Mayor, many moons ago.

Posted by: Village Idiot's Apprentice at August 01, 2013 04:02 AM (u7lDh)

233 Gabe's wrong about the shutdown. Rush talked about this; I don't know where the poll is (or what sort of poll it is) claiming that it is unpopular... the point is to show some spine, make a threat, deliver on it. The media went hysterical about the Sequester but ultimately it was nothing and it just showed how vindictive the Democrats were and unwilling to reduce spending.

Obamacare is as much of a disaster as we think it is - other than seeking the immolation of the Republic (which will include more than DC) there is no reason for a non-cynical person to want to accept it.

Heck, maybe the government shutdown will put a shot in the arm of the economy... maybe it will set a trend for shutting down the federal government except when needed. A man can dream!

Posted by: RiverC at August 01, 2013 04:02 AM (KTytI)

234

Posted by: tsrblke at August 01, 2013 08:54 AM (GaqMa)

 

I presume you don't have the money to outbid the hippie grocer for the property.  Boycot the hippe grocer, then laugh your ass off when it becomes a vacant lot again.

Posted by: steveegg at August 01, 2013 04:02 AM (o44nj)

235

Seriously, let Adam Smith's pimp hand do its thing. Either the new guy is better/cheaper and puts one of the others out of biz or he goes down like a wet taco.

 

I saw Adam Smith's Pimp Hand open for the Geto Boys in '89.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 01, 2013 04:03 AM (zF6Iw)

236 So do I tell the committee, "The fuck we need another grocer for?" or just let it go because there's no public monies involved? Posted by: tsrblke at August 01, 2013 08:54 AM (GaqMa) Who are you to tell a company whether it's a good idea to build there? Someone is selling/leasing the land, the company thinks it can make money at that location and that money isn't coming from the public fisc. It's not any of your business. Ohhhh there's a good throw down we haven't had in ages. Zoning laws. A necessary evil to prevent tragedy of the commons or an evil tool of the power mad grifting lackwits who run the zoning board? Annnnd go.

Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 01, 2013 04:03 AM (VtjlW)

237 233. Hey mp4, can you one of these days do a thing on Halle berry? Woman has an incredible life story

Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 04:03 AM (7D6bD)

238 Henninger's (WSJ, Opinion, today) analysis of Obama's strategy in the Emperor's summer "middle class" tour is spot on. Also Rove's, same page, discussion of how Zero is baiting his enemy, the GOP, to shut down the guv.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at August 01, 2013 04:03 AM (ndp2I)

239 "I am quite serious about the loss of culture--I think there are many tacit things being forgotten, things crucial, and I just can't feel them out there anymore, because they aren't being transmitted, esp. via entertainment." - T ______________ What's mostly gone is the values taught through our mythologies. Superman is still shown, but not truth, justice, and the American Way.

Posted by: mindful webworker, mything the point at August 01, 2013 04:04 AM (MosI3)

240 1 Sean Bannion, Who needs a life when we hve club happy? When my Little Red Wagon gets out of the shop I will go forth and conquer evil

Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence at August 01, 2013 04:04 AM (oMQkh)

241

Cruz is also a social conservative.  The most popular social conservative right now in fact.  That's why all the Cruz hate. 

Posted by: thunderb at August 01, 2013 04:04 AM (zOTsN)

242 216 Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 01, 2013 08:54 AM (VtjlW) Look, momma Sefton didn't raise no fools. I realize that President Fuck-o and his band of commies will just steal money and do what they want anyway. But if that really is the case, then why is he on the campaign trail desperately trying to sell a law that has already been passed? Rhetorical question since he wants to capture the House and use the last 2 years of his term to utterly destroy what's left of us. If he doesn't, and we do take a stand and decouple the O-care funding from the CR and force a standoff, maybe we can stop it. Maybe he really can't go around this. Maybe it is a winning issue not just with conservatives but with the so-called moderates. No matter what, it has to be attempted. We cannot just lay down, knuckle under and crawl. If we really are at that stage, then it is time for civil war. What else is there? I'm open to any reasonable alternative that solves this.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 04:04 AM (+98Gb)

243 @231 I guess Utah will get a lot of them b/c of the Mormon connection. Lucky us. Utsh is also pretty soft on illegals. They'd better watch that shit or the whole state will tank. Secong look at North Dakota?

Posted by: Y-not is shocked I tell you at August 01, 2013 04:04 AM (5H6zj)

244 So do I tell the committee, "The fuck we need another grocer for?" or just let it go because there's no public monies involved? Food desert bitchez!

Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2013 04:05 AM (GjYxB)

245 Ohhhh there's a good throw down we haven't had in ages. Zoning laws. A necessary evil to prevent tragedy of the commons or an evil tool of the power mad grifting lackwits who run the zoning board? Annnnd go. Posted by: alexthechick - Here SMOD SMOD SMOD at August 01, 2013 09:03 AM (VtjlW) The latter. Done.

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at August 01, 2013 04:05 AM (X6akg)

246

I'm not so sure it's the "commies" behind that. Putin seems to have a close relationship with the Russian Orthodox Church, which has regained a lot of its old pull among the populace since the USSR disbanded. I suspect it's more due to their influence.

 

But still funny.

 

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 01, 2013 08:57 AM (wtvvX)

 

Back in Putin's day in the KGB, the Commies were quite violently anti-gay.  They were sent to the same gulags as other political prisoners.

Posted by: steveegg at August 01, 2013 04:05 AM (o44nj)

247 Is it because Cruz actually reads and understands what he's voting on before votes? I know that's not what they are suppose to do in Congress. Is that why all the hate, because he knows what he's talking about.

Posted by: lindafell at August 01, 2013 04:05 AM (PGO8C)

248 tsrblke, Pick up staples at Aldi, and the top shelf stuff at Fresh Market.

Posted by: EC at August 01, 2013 04:05 AM (GQ8sn)

249

Will they be using an existing building or adding a new one? If they aren't over building the area I would be inclined to let Adam Smith do the work.

 

Me too. Hell, even   market it as "Food Row" or   the  new "Gastro District."

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at August 01, 2013 04:06 AM (0HooB)

250

"So let's recap"

Senator Coburn is a fraud.  The CBO, CRS, whatever, are Congresses shadow Ministry of Truth. 

Revenues are more than sufficient, many times over, today while ZIRP still retards interest rates, to keep the US out of default provided Secretary Lew's automatic pen is in working order.

The Federal Reserve has not been caught, yet, making direct digital payments to the Treasury and will not begin losing money net for 12 months or so.

All is well.

Posted by: gary gulrud at August 01, 2013 04:06 AM (uv0Aw)

251 Zoning laws. A necessary evil to prevent tragedy of the commons or an evil tool of the power mad grifting lackwits who run the zoning board? Yes.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2013 04:06 AM (GjYxB)

252 WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The number of people who applied last week for new unemployment benefits fell to the lowest level since early 2008, but it’s unclear whether the decline reflects an improvement in the U.S. labor market or a seasonal quirk that often occurs in July.






It's light out. We're not sure if that's from Barry's radiance or that bright shiny thing in the sky

Posted by: TheQuietMan at August 01, 2013 04:06 AM (1Jaio)

253 What a ridiculous post.  A government shutdown would be wildly popular.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 01, 2013 04:07 AM (mbuvg)

254 233. Hey mp4, can you one of these days do a thing on Halle berry?
Woman has an incredible life story

 

Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 09:03 AM (7D6bD)

 

Sorry, no, NCJ.  I don't really follow current Hollywood stars, so anything I'd tell you about her would be basically cribbed from wiki and US magazine.  Maybe one of the other Morons (J.J?) could pick up the slack.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 01, 2013 04:07 AM (zF6Iw)

255 #217  What about a clause that says they will find another tenant if the grocery goes belly up?   Reason being that vacant storefronts are magnets for vagrants and criminals and depresses property values.

Might make them think twice.  Sometimes the new store isn't about making money.  It's about making a competitor LOSE money,  in this case Aldi's.

Posted by: Baton Rouge at August 01, 2013 04:07 AM (GoIUi)

256 244. Easy alternative Force obamacare to go through right now in all it's glory, let the EPA fuck up the energy system Let the system go nuts and feel the pain Voters vote with their wallets

Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 04:07 AM (7D6bD)

257 Especially since the muckity muck got all out of shape about the Aldi's they just put in because...poor people (no really, that was their bitch.)

Yeah, that sounds familiar (looking at you, Brookfield).  But perhaps the parking lot is empty because the cost of car ownership is increasingly out of the reach of poor people (by design, mind you) due to gas prices and a shit-ton government regulations and the senseless destruction of drivable used vehicles in 2009 (hail SCOAMF). 

Or, and feel free to denounce me as a snob or whatever, I'm increasingly noticing that people who can plan ahead and budget and whatnot tend not to be "poor" unless they suffer some sort catastrophe...and even if their income is low they aren't exhibiting the trashy behavior that "poor people" is a euphemism for because we can't use words like "trashy behavior" without being called racist or classist or whatever.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 01, 2013 04:07 AM (/kI1Q)

258 After reading this blog regularly for a couple of years, I gottasay I trust Cruz's analysis of a situation way more than Malor's. Malor can't even get the simple gist of an article. Actually, I must rephrase. Malor gets the gist, he just prefers to mislead the readers so that conservatives look scary, racist, stupid and stubborn. Which is what he's doing here yet again. I would avoid the morning thread and Gabe's disingenuous posts, but I enjoy you folks way too much.

Posted by: DangerGirl, getting angrier by the day at August 01, 2013 04:08 AM (waJ+2)

259

Posted by: EC at August 01, 2013 08:57 AM (GQ8sn)

 

Erg, no.  I don't mean "Poor people complained" I mean the stupid people were saying "if we open an aldi's poor people will come here!  And then our lives will be miserable."

My though was: these people already live here, no one's driving in from north city to go to an aldi's.

Especially because it'd require them to pass 5 of them on their way.

 

Posted by: Tex Lovera at August 01, 2013 09:00 AM (wtvvX)

 

Eh, we could use a gas station actually.  But my guess is that since we're a "green power city" with a "Climate action task force" that future gas stations have been banned.

There are only 3 on that same stretch of road.  But they're old, and only have about 3 pumps each, which means it's taken me 15-20 minutes to fill up my tank while I wait for a pump. (Not that I can't just drive to another gas station, but the wife and I have learned to adjust and make sure we get gas on the way home from work.)

 

My biggest concern is "The market" decides crap around here.  If it were a walmart, I assure you they'd ban it using the same zoning laws.  And I do have legitimate concerns over traffic, the traffic there is already really bad (being right off the main highway.)

Posted by: tsrblke at August 01, 2013 04:08 AM (GaqMa)

260

I think a government shut down would hurt as terribly as sequester

 

which the people no longer care about.  at. all.

 

Gabe hates Cruz because of his positions on social issues, and he cant see anything else

Posted by: thunderb at August 01, 2013 04:08 AM (zOTsN)

261 >>> Me too. Hell, even market it as "Food Row" or the new "Gastro District." I'm about to head out to an already over-built retail district to shop at two different grocery stores. First World Problems.

Posted by: fluffy at August 01, 2013 04:09 AM (z9HTb)

262 Quick thinking ten year old drives car in medical emergency.... My dad wasn't much older than that when his older sister ran through a glass door & sliced her arm open and he had to drive her to the hospital in the station wagon. Cops drove up to him, he held up her bloody arm, and got a police escort to the hospital. It was a small town and a short distance. But he knew how to drive. And the cop did the right thing. And we all learned to drive when young.

Posted by: mindful webworker, mything the point at August 01, 2013 04:09 AM (MosI3)

263

Cruz isn't a fan of granting amnesty to 20 million criminals.  He also doesn't seem like much of a fan of the idea that lawyers and judges are the ultimate power and authority in the country.

 

Those are things that gabe just hates.

Posted by: buzzion at August 01, 2013 04:09 AM (LI48c)

264 256. Okay How about Sophia Loren then?

Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 04:09 AM (7D6bD)

265 238 AlexTheChick, Indeed, leaving the hotel this morning my boy made me smile by grasping the deomcrat's love of the broken window fallacy on some regulatory impact WRT logistics. "What a great world where they can just remove 4 hours of road use per rig and not have any negative impact!" Yes son, what a brave new world. Zoning boards devolve into economic choke chains or shakedown scams pretty pervasively.

Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence at August 01, 2013 04:10 AM (oMQkh)

266 I had forgotten that the Treasury actually takes in enough money to fund the essential functions of government and meet debt obligations. It's everything else that is killing us. Shut it the fuck down. Good. Even one second where the EPA, IRS, DoE, ICC, OSHA, BLM, HHS, and all the rest of these vampires are down is time to be savored and blessed.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at August 01, 2013 04:10 AM (+98Gb)

267 I'm increasingly noticing that people who can plan ahead and budget and whatnot tend not to be "poor" unless they suffer some sort catastrophe...and even if their income is low they aren't exhibiting the trashy behavior that "poor people" is a euphemism for because we can't use words like "trashy behavior" without being called racist or classist or whatever.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 01, 2013 09:07 AM (/kI1Q)

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And, once again, Heather hits one out of the park.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 01, 2013 04:10 AM (mbuvg)

268 262 ThunderB, Hey Pee YEW says the base is in love with moderates. Try it GOP

Posted by: Miguel Ambivalence at August 01, 2013 04:11 AM (oMQkh)

269 I saw Adam Smith's Pimp Hand open for the Geto Boys in '89. I saw that same tour. The best part was during the encore when they were all on stage together and did My Mind's Playing Tricks on Me ... But I'ma still Gonna Backhand You

Posted by: Blacksheep at August 01, 2013 04:12 AM (8/DeP)

270 Gabe hates Cruz because of his positions on social issues, and he cant see anything else

Posted by: thunderb at August 01, 2013 09:08 AM (zOTsN)

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Indeed

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 01, 2013 04:12 AM (mbuvg)

271 I mean the stupid people were saying "if we open an aldi's poor people will come here! And then our lives will be miserable." Ahh...gotcha.

Posted by: EC at August 01, 2013 04:12 AM (GQ8sn)

272 McCain admitted he broke. I expect he told them anything they wanted to hear.

Posted by: maddogg at August 01, 2013 08:43 AM (OlN4e)

Eventually, everyone breaks. 

Posted by: Washington Nearsider, The Colossus of Independence at August 01, 2013 04:14 AM (fwARV)

273 Back in Putin's day in the KGB, the Commies were quite violently anti-gay. They were sent to the same gulags as other political prisoners.

Posted by: steveegg at August 01, 2013 09:05 AM (o44nj)

 

Well the ones that can't do the pommel horse in the summer or a triple axel in the winter at least.

Posted by: buzzion at August 01, 2013 04:14 AM (LI48c)

274

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at August 01, 2013 09:06 AM (0HooB)

 

Actually overbuilding is part of the concern.  It will be a new building

I'm stunned they managed to get what they have there.  I'm certainly not a "save the nature!" type person, but it's built up enough that that the backroads that move between the various outlots are all but gone (i.e. they've built over them) meaning the only access is the main road, which means they've added stop lights to control traffic (since they fucked up the traffic patterns.)

Posted by: tsrblke at August 01, 2013 04:14 AM (GaqMa)

275

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 01, 2013 09:07 AM (/kI1Q)

 

It's 5 o'clock somewhere.  PROST!

Posted by: steveegg at August 01, 2013 04:15 AM (o44nj)

276 Dancing coon dump up.

Posted by: EC at August 01, 2013 04:16 AM (GQ8sn)

277 I wonder how much money some people would have in savings accounts if they didn't spend the money on tattoos?

Posted by: Baton Rouge at August 01, 2013 04:16 AM (GoIUi)

278 Whata ridiculous post. A government shutdown would be wildly popular. Oh yea....my popularity soared when I did it.

Posted by: Newt! at August 01, 2013 04:16 AM (OWjjx)

279 Nood

Posted by: Y-not is shocked I tell you at August 01, 2013 04:17 AM (5H6zj)

280 Actually overbuilding is part of the concern. Heh. "Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded."

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at August 01, 2013 04:17 AM (V3kRK)

281 My dad wasn't much older than that when his older sister ran through a glass door & sliced her arm open and he had to drive her to the hospital in the station wagon. Cops drove up to him, he held up her bloody arm, and got a police escort to the hospital. It was a small town and a short distance. But he knew how to drive. And the cop did the right thing. And we all learned to drive when young. Yeah. My dad drove the family truck to the feedstore when he was 12. Things you just did growing up in the bootheel of Missouri in '47.

Posted by: rickb223 at August 01, 2013 04:17 AM (GjYxB)

282 You know that. I know that. Cruz knows that.Gabe doesn't, yet. : blindside Extrapolate from that small sampling to the national level.

Posted by: mindful webworker, pollcat at August 01, 2013 04:18 AM (ummNV)

283

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 01, 2013 09:07 AM (/kI1Q)

 

Ironically the new aldi's is probably the busiest grocer around now.

And it is a veritable world gathering spot of people from different cultures.  Which I think is what got some of the older residents angry.  They'd rather not see people they don't want to believe live near them.

 

But it's not like they don't exist, there's a huge apartment complex literally behind my house (I can see it when I look out my window during the winter and the trees thin (It's not "behind my yard" it's several houses over)

And rent is fairly inexpensive there (for the area.)

So it's pretty damned obvious there are a lot of people who aren't upper middle class is this area.  I don't see why it was such a shocker for the old guard.

Posted by: tsrblke at August 01, 2013 04:18 AM (GaqMa)

284 It's 5 o'clock somewhere. PROST!

It's mid-afternoon in Munich.  Beer should already be on.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at August 01, 2013 04:18 AM (/kI1Q)

285 "Sen. Cruz continues to demonstrate his firm grasp of negotiating tactics. After challenging Democrats to agree to defund Obamacare or force a government shutdown, he goes and says that a shutdown isn't really a bad thing at all. He seems a little unclear on the concept of leverage. Y'see, to get the Democrats to defund Obamacare, the idea is to present their only other alternative as completely unacceptable. Suggesting that the other alternative is no big deal defeats the whole exercise." Wrong. To get the Democrats to defund Obamacare, the idea is for the House to refuse to vote for anything that funds Obamacare. Even after the Obama Administration shuts off the lights at airports. Your analysis is appropriate for a bluff. This would not be a bluff. Instead of taking Obama's immobile resistance on faith, confront them with the fact of House refusal to fund Obamacare. "Oh, and the CRS, responding to a research request from Sen. Coburn, has reported that Obamacare would continue to be law and continue to be funded during a government shutdown." How much money have they got to move around though? That isn't mentioned in the article. If we refuse to buy any furniture or computers or maintenance for HHS facilities that implement Obamacare, the Administration may claim the legal authority to shuffle funds - chancy- but is CRS claiming they can just print money by running up implementation charges without limit?

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at August 01, 2013 04:21 AM (zTUcF)

286

162

 

Primary them first....THEN vote Dem if you can't get them out in the primary.  No more lubeless love from the GOP.

Posted by: FITP at August 01, 2013 04:21 AM (WSsdB)

287 anything that happens negatively/deaths/horrid care  because of Obamacare will be blamed on Republicans anyway.
just musing over here.


alex tea.


Posted by: willow at August 01, 2013 04:21 AM (Jy4tI)

288 New thread willow.

Posted by: buzzion at August 01, 2013 04:22 AM (LI48c)

289 Okay
How about Sophia Loren then?

Posted by: Navycopjoe Forza AZZURRI!!! at August 01, 2013 09:09 AM (7D6bD)

 

You know, I was actually going to do a post on her, since she turns 79 this year.  Here's a link to shots of her Roman villa in 1964:

 

http://tinyurl.com/nbxa59e


 

Here are photos of her with the equally mammiferous Jayne Mansfield:

 

http://tinyurl.com/anfqf9d

 

And remember yesterday when it was discussed (in relation to Sydney Leathers), who on earth would pay someone $1000 for the pleasure of going down on them?  I said I'd pay that to Bernadette Peters.  I would also pay it to Loren.

 

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at August 01, 2013 04:23 AM (zF6Iw)

290 buzzion, thank you!

Posted by: willow at August 01, 2013 04:23 AM (Jy4tI)

291 You know what this country needs..........a stirring, heart wrenching mini series about HILLARY!

Posted by: The Dolts That Run NBC at August 01, 2013 04:23 AM (OWjjx)

292 A government shutdown would be wildly popular.

Oh yea....my popularity soared when I did it.

Posted by: Newt! at August 01, 2013 09:16 AM (OWjjx)

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Newt's popularity went down with his personal life.  The GOP won everything they wanted with the shutdown.  70% of the democrat base lives on government checks.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at August 01, 2013 04:24 AM (mbuvg)

293

In re, the Pew poll: Christie, Boehner and McConnell sport the highest negatives in the group.  All the poll does is demonstrate they have the highest name recognition among the tested group.

 

In re: Cruz, and his "grasp of negotiating tactics":  Whateve made you think, Gabe, that there is a "negotiation" going on here?  With whom is he supposed to be negotiating?  No Democrat has any inclination or intention at all of negotiating anything with anyone, most especially a Republican potentially running for president.

 

Reality is out there Gabe.  Reach for it...reach for it...

Posted by: MTF at August 01, 2013 04:25 AM (B5y+v)

294 PA is not the perfect example because it's a blue state but you get the idea. While I understand the frustration I can also see the other side. I live in Illinois. Mark Kirk may not be the greatest Senator alive but when the alternative is the second coming of Dick "Dick" Durbin......eh, yea, Mark looks a hell of a lot better.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 01, 2013 04:26 AM (OWjjx)

295 I just now caught up to my first comment. The Eastern time stamp on the comment is the same time is on my cell right now (Central). I'm exactly 1 hour behind. Everybody's moved on by now I suppose.

Posted by: mindful webworker, slow child at play at August 01, 2013 04:28 AM (wzmJ0)

296 "Also, it's important that the right learn that it's entirely possible to make a conservative plan on just about every issue. Some would like to argue that the true conservative position is the absence of a plan. It just doesn't work." Whats the minimum on this white elephant? What's the lowball estimate of the money we have to waste interfering with a free-market economy so we can brag we also have a mandatory federal plan? $10 billion? The Senate Amnesty bill tried to impress us with a $45 billion pledge in funding for an insecure border. It didn't sell. So we're talking what, $90 billion minimum? If you can't sell "Government sucks" I think it's time for new salesmen. If we have to create federal bureaucracy every time the Democrats promise socialism, what's the use?

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at August 01, 2013 04:28 AM (zTUcF)

297

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 01, 2013 09:26 AM (OWjjx)

 

True.

But I really think we need to focus on getting solid reds in states that are already solid red.

There's no reason McCain should be Senator from AZ.

And frankly MO keeps turning redder, and yet it's senators are cluserfucks. (We have Akin to blame for McCaskill, but WTF caused us to send Blunt there.)

Posted by: tsrblke at August 01, 2013 04:29 AM (GaqMa)

298 Per Drudge: Gay athletes could be prosecuted at 2014 Winter Olympics. America is the most hateful country on Earth...except for the other ones.

Posted by: zsasz at August 01, 2013 04:30 AM (MMC8r)

299 What is the writer's negotiating style? Immediate fold? Premature capitulation? Call McCain?

Posted by: ejo at August 01, 2013 04:30 AM (GXvSO)

300 dang FTR #159 domination not nomination

Posted by: mindful webworker, correctuonally institutional at August 01, 2013 04:32 AM (wzmJ0)

301 I'm pretty sure that if we had every single seat in the senate, the presidency, and the supreme court, the GOP would not repeal Obamacare.  Nor would they repeal anything the Democrats have put in place.  They're too scared of being called Gene Meanbean by the Media to undo any of the socialism....plus I think the majority of Washington GOP folks like big government.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at August 01, 2013 04:33 AM (P7hip)

302 We don't have a chance in hell of taking the Senate unless the electorate is forced to confront the awfulness of Obamacare directly. Letting the Dems delay it until after the election is playing into their hands.

Posted by: epobirs at August 01, 2013 04:33 AM (kcfmt)

303 (We have Akin to blame for McCaskill, but WTF caused us to send Blunt there.) Cause the Blunt's run the Springfield/Joplin area and that is one of the largest Republican voting blocs. And Blunt still has this fantasy that the Post Dispatch will some day write something nice about him (they won't). And yea, they blew it with McCaskill. I wasn't a Steelman fan but the other candidated (Buehner I believe) was a pretty decent alternative. My concern is that come 4 years it is gonna be Mary Jo Emerson who, despite hailing from the most conservative part of Missouir (Cape Girardeau_ isn't. Ann Wagner would be a great choice and hopefully she is getting ready.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 01, 2013 04:33 AM (OWjjx)

304

 

Before being elected, Ted received national acclaim as the Solicitor General of Texas, the StateÂ’s chief lawyer before the U.S. Supreme Court.  Serving under Attorney General Greg Abbott, Ted was the nationÂ’s youngest Solicitor General, the longest serving Solicitor General in Texas, and the first Hispanic Solicitor General of Texas.

 

In private practice in Houston, Ted spent five years as a partner at one of the nationÂ’s largest law firms, where he led the firmÂ’s U.S. Supreme Court and national Appellate Litigation practice.

 

Ted has authored more than 80 U.S. Supreme Court briefs and argued 43 oral arguments, including nine before the U.S. Supreme Court.  During TedÂ’s service as Solicitor General, Texas achieved an unprecedented series of landmark national victories, including successfully defending:

 

U.S. sovereignty against the UN and the World Court in Medellin v. Texas;the Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms;the constitutionality of the Texas Ten Commandments monument;the constitutionality of the words “under God” in the Pledge of Allegiance;the constitutionality of the Texas Sexually Violent Predator Civil Commitment law; andthe Texas congressional redistricting plan.

The National Law Journal has called Ted “a key voice” to whom “the [U.S. Supreme Court] Justices listen.”  Ted has been named by American Lawyer magazine as one of the 50 Best Litigators under 45 in America, by the National Law Journal as one of the 50 Most Influential Minority Lawyers in America, and by Texas Lawyer as one of the 25 Greatest Texas Lawyers of the Past Quarter Century.

 

From 2004-09, he taught U.S. Supreme Court Litigation as an Adjunct Professor of Law at the University of Texas School of Law.

 

Prior to becoming Solicitor General, he served as the Director of the Office of Policy Planning at the Federal Trade Commission, as Associate Deputy Attorney General at the U.S. Department of Justice, and as Domestic Policy Advisor on the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign.

 

Ted graduated with honors from Princeton University and with high honors from Harvard Law School.  He served as a law clerk to Chief Justice William Rehnquist on the U.S. Supreme Court.  He was the first Hispanic ever to clerk for the Chief Justice of the United States.

 

How does your resume match up, Malor?

Posted by: Invictus at August 01, 2013 04:37 AM (OQpzc)

305 Manzeil - heh. If you knew more about his family, you wouldn't be one bit surprised. His dad cleaned up his act lately, but the farther back you go, the crookeder they get.

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 01, 2013 04:38 AM (8Fa5Z)

306 When can we replace Malor with Vic? I may not always agree with Vic, but at least he's got the sack to defend his arguments. Of course, Vic doesn't really make shitty arguments from the get-go either, so that's a bonus.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at August 01, 2013 04:41 AM (cRPJq)

307

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 01, 2013 09:33 AM (OWjjx)

Emerson cost the state close to a million dollars by bailing on her constituents the minute she got offered that fancy lobbying job.

She can suck a dick, because I personally will work to make sure never sees the senate from this state if I have to run myself.

Wagner (being my congresswoman) seems OK now, but I need to wait and be sure.

From District 2 you could almost throw grenades and still get elected (the second highest vote getter one year was a libertarian.)  Wagner's been mostly holding off that, which may be good.  We'll see.

Posted by: tsrblke at August 01, 2013 04:41 AM (GaqMa)

308 307 It's a shame because he's a hell of a talent.

Posted by: steevy at August 01, 2013 04:41 AM (9XBK2)

309 Gabe's right. We need to take the long road here.

Posted by: Karl Rove at August 01, 2013 04:42 AM (jfUIE)

310 Gabe,
   This voter is not against a shutdown.  I have read your comments long enough to suspect that you have not completely realized that one does not compromise with the Left.  The Republicans did not loose the 2012 election because they lost the Hispanic vote.  When did they ever have it?  The lost the election because the Tea Party stayed home.  The Tea Party won  the House in 2010 not the Republican Party.  You establishment types who back away from the shutdown battle and the amnesty battle will loose again in 2014 and 2016.  You have no choice.  Continue your Marvin Milktoast ways and the Tea Party will stay home again.

Posted by: Rich at August 01, 2013 04:44 AM (vm0dY)

311 "Nice site, which is almost as popular as Allan G's." J.J. Sefton Thanks. Site's main traffic is spammers, followed by searchbots, followed by folks suckered in from here. "By the way, what the hell is that video of the cop pulling that kid away??!! Any follow up as to why?" (page linked in nic) Imagine an older American being so meekly dragged off? It's not even the cop's request, but his authoritative manner. talking to a dead thred?

Posted by: mindful webworker, pollcat at August 01, 2013 04:45 AM (CNKis)

312 Ted at Princeton?-Epicenter of liberal NJ, home to Paul Krugman and place that helped put Rush Holt into office-"My Congressman IS a rocket scientist"( and darn doesn't he want to know how much smarter he is than everybody else?? Princeton? I hope Cruz found some conservative friends to hang with

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at August 01, 2013 04:49 AM (iQit/)

313 117 Posted by: gdonovan at August 01, 2013 08:04 AM (gUyxH) Well, the Second Amendment didn't specifically say that you should be able to have or acquire ammunition, and it is a living document (although apparently in its final death throes), so... Posted by: Hrothgar at August 01, 2013 08:07 AM (XdnQT) Yes it does. It uses the term "we'll-regulated" which means well provisioned.

Posted by: eman at August 01, 2013 04:53 AM (AO9UG)

314 He can go fuck himself with a Saguaro cactus.

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I'm stealing this.

Posted by: cool arrow at August 01, 2013 05:03 AM (WMsq+)

315 If gay atheletes do not respect the laws of their host country, then yes, they should be prosecuted. You know that they are planning on making some gay statement and are going to bait the ruskies. They can be as gay as they want but the russians are not into gay pride parades.

Posted by: Waldo at August 01, 2013 05:08 AM (tCBZk)

316 Delay it until we have the Senate seats to repeal it...Delaying it pretty well ASSURES we won't have the Senate seats to EVER repeal it.  Possibly Ted Cruz is smarter than you, knowing implementing ANY of it and postponing the individual mandate, ingrains it into the system to where it will never be killed- and will STILL cost many jobs and destruction in the healthcare field.

Posted by: MikeO at August 01, 2013 05:08 AM (SQN7L)

317

Here, short and sweet, is your GDP 'recap'.

They used a deflator of 0.71% rather than the average over the past several quarters of 1.75%.

By any measure they should have reported 0.6-0.8% and in a year or so, following the third or fourth revision, it will have contracted.

Posted by: gary gulrud at August 01, 2013 05:09 AM (uv0Aw)

318 Can we rename Gabe's posts? How about "The McCain Report"? Or "The Stupidville Letter"? Or "Peruvian Gateway"?

Posted by: eman at August 01, 2013 05:13 AM (AO9UG)

319

"If you can't sell "Government sucks" I think it's time for new salesmen. If we have to create federal bureaucracy every time the Democrats promise socialism, what's the use?"

 

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at August 01, 2013 09:28 AM (zTUcF)

 

We can sell "Government sucks" to people who are smart enough to understand the concept, but for the bulk of the American public, you need a better approach to achieve the same goal.

 

When you meet a girl, the goal is to fuck her and cum in her mouth.  You can either tell her that in the first minute, or, if you want to be successful, say "let's go out for coffee". 

 

 

Posted by: jwest at August 01, 2013 05:16 AM (u2a4R)

320

Gabe wrote, 'My modest proposal: let's do that. . . until we've got the Senate seats to repeal it.'

 

My modest proposal is that the GOP oppose these people on everything, everywhere, on every issue and piece of legislation. 'Obstructionist' is not a dirty word when one is trying to obstruct a pack of authoritarian assholes. 

 

McCain just quasi-announced his support for Hillary Clinton. Christie is going after libertarian-leaning fellow Republicans harder than he ever did Democrats. Rubio has been suborned. So screw them. If that's GOP leadership then let them go the way of Whig leadership.

Posted by: troyriser at August 01, 2013 05:19 AM (2jF2B)

321 When you meet a girl, the goal is to fuck her and cum in her mouth. You can either tell her that in the first minute, or, if you want to be successful, say "let's go out for coffee".

Posted by: jwest at August 01, 2013 10:16 AM (u2a4R)

 

I had an Army buddy who came from Brazil but whose family had to leave in a hurry when he was a kid because his father had been a general who fell out of favor with the other generals running the place at the time. My friend was funny, smart, charming and happened to be movie star handsome. He would approach attractive single women in bars and shopping malls and convenience stores and tell them, in detail, what he would like to do with them, and then (most of the time) would leave with them. Every guy in the platoon privately hated his guts. Anyway, my point is that a  winning politician--the political equivalent of my playboy friend Bob Barreto--could make the sale with the direct approach. It takes nerve and a willingness to take 'no' for an answer, but it can be done.

Posted by: troyriser at August 01, 2013 05:31 AM (2jF2B)

322 I think Gabe is right here. We shouldn't fight for anything we want ..... ever. That way we won't be blamed when the whole fucking country come crumbling down around us. When we are all in re-education camps, at least we can all look at each other and say we are not to blame. Smart move.

Posted by: Garym at August 01, 2013 06:00 AM (RAf+p)

323 324-as long as we have gay marriage, that would be fine. What else matters?

Posted by: ejo at August 01, 2013 06:02 AM (GXvSO)

324

"Can we rename Gabe's posts? "

A Moderate's Step by Step Guide to Losing Chess Tournaments.

How to Stay an Ineffective Life Long U.S. Senator

The Frightened Congressional Aide.

The Poli-sci Major's Rulebook for Staying Employed.

The Guide to Political Party Seppeku, the Slow and Painful Way.

Posted by: Wendy at August 01, 2013 06:03 AM (KydDZ)

325 http://www.ijreview.com/2013/07/69642-awesome-ted-cruz-crushes-obamacare-in-two-sentences-flat/ According to federal agency estimates, Obamacare will add paperwork burdens totaling nearly 190 million hours or more every year. And, Mr. President, to put that in perspective, Mount Rushmore, which took 14 years to build, could be constructed 1,547 times with the paperwork Obamacare requires in one year.

Posted by: Y-not at August 01, 2013 06:11 AM (5H6zj)

326 324-as long as we have gay marriage, that would be fine. What else matters?

Posted by: ejo at August 01, 2013 11:02 AM (GXvSO)

 

Give up the gay slurs whenever Malor posts. It's off-point and offensive. It should also be pointed out that Malor was one of the few on the right politically astute enough to call the last presidential election. I often disagree with his analyses but take them seriously and view them critically. Speak to the argument, not the man.

Posted by: troyriser at August 01, 2013 06:17 AM (2jF2B)

327 Sorry but I don't agree with that bit of advice. If we criticize Andrew Sullivan, I think we can criticize both his addled reasoning and his background. I recall many people who didn't think Romney would win the last election, so I don't quite know where that comment comes from.

Posted by: ejo at August 01, 2013 06:25 AM (GXvSO)

328

328 "It should also be pointed out that Malor was one of the few on the right politically astute enough to call the last presidential election. "

That had nothing to do with being astute. That was a given.

Posted by: Wendy at August 01, 2013 06:54 AM (KydDZ)

329 That had nothing to do with being astute. That was a given.

Posted by: Wendy at August 01, 2013 11:54 AM (KydDZ)

 

Obama's reelection is a given now to all armchair strategists everywhere. Most of us thought Romney could pull it off. So anyway, I guess you and ejo can slam Malor every time he posts, no matter the topic, because he's gay. I'm not a big fan of the lifestyle myself, but I generally try to stay focused on the issue at hand. If the issue is gay marriage, then sure, injecting Malor's orientation into the discussion has validity, to greater and lesser degrees. However, the topic was/is Malor's criticism of Ted Cruz's political skills, which has nothing whatsoever to do with gay anything--unless, of course, Cruz is secretly gay and the hidden agony of his deeply closeted life is having an effect on his negotiating ability.

Posted by: troyriser at August 01, 2013 09:59 AM (gNlvW)

330 What gay slur? Malor has been an extremist regarding gay marriage. No, not because he supports gay marriage. Because he complained that a STAFFER in the IL state party was being let go, because he publicly supported policy at odds with the program endorsed by his employer. Ridiculous. And appropriate to memorialize when we're celebrating his bad judgment.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at August 01, 2013 05:19 PM (Z/Qfu)

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