December 30, 2011

Top Headline Comments 12-30-11
— Gabriel Malor

Friday!

More bloggy stuff than news this morning, but it's a start:

Lawgeeks and other bloggers should check out this legal brief by pseudonymous blogger Aaron Worthing, who is resisting an attempt by a convicted bomber to out him. Aaron is a great legal blogger and that brief is an awesome legal take-down.

Old blog-fodder Keith Olberdumbass has apparently been sidelined by Current TV. I bet his bathtub's getting sick of him right about now.

Oh, and my best buddy and his wife are flying in today, so I won't be around until after the new year. My best to you all. Behave. Drink responsibly. I'll see you in 2012.

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1 FRIDAY!!!!!

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 01:56 AM (s7mIC)

2 huh what a surprise, Queef Olberdouche isn't getting along with his bosses

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 01:57 AM (s7mIC)

3 Good morning, y'all.

Posted by: harrison at December 30, 2011 01:58 AM (MtuBU)

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 01:59 AM (s7mIC)

5 Gabe, thanks for a great year's worth of THC's

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 02:00 AM (s7mIC)

6 Amen Jefe! Note to Vic: Yes Sir, I was "De-lurking" somewhat yesterday. I don't have the cranial capacity to compete with some of our more erudite contributors, so I mustly just stay in the background. Nevertheless, I wanted you to know how much I always enjoy and look forward to your daily Headline contributions as well as the thoughtful comments you often bring to the conversations. That, and I had to leave for work after my last comment and didn't see you reply until after 9 last night. Have a great day everyone!

Posted by: TiminAL at December 30, 2011 02:01 AM (9pzPv)

7 pseudonymous? Clorox kills that...right?

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at December 30, 2011 02:03 AM (lpWVn)

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 02:03 AM (s7mIC)

9 THCs, eh? Yes Gabe, thanks ole buddy. You are of the finest sort.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 30, 2011 02:05 AM (ENKCw)

10 There's a war in eve right now between some Russians that spent upwards of 15k

Posted by: Zakn at December 30, 2011 02:05 AM (8z4Xi)

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 02:06 AM (s7mIC)

12 I tried to get a comment on this yesterday...
Re: Lightbulb ban
Congress only cut prosecution funding for one year
Law goes into effect 1-1-2012

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at December 30, 2011 02:07 AM (lpWVn)

13 Zakn, I don't understand the idea of spending that kind of real money on virtual things.  For $15K you can buy a car for heaven's sake.  (Or a house, if you lived in Detroit.)

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 02:08 AM (s7mIC)

14 4

Where can I get some of that action? Time to start a video game company.

Anyone want to be in charge of PR?

Posted by: fluffy at December 30, 2011 02:09 AM (Lpgtj)

15 12 - re: the lightbulb ban - just repackage them and sell them as "novelty items" or as "heating elements" (someone in Germany has done the latter already). Or just manufacture 95 or 99 watt bulbs. Also, am I wrong or will ALL incandescents be ultimately banned? The 100 watters go on 1/1/12, the 75 water's go next year, and so on, etc.?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2011 02:12 AM (UlUS4)

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 02:13 AM (s7mIC)

Posted by: Nighthawk at December 30, 2011 02:13 AM (RSqz2)

18 Also, am I wrong or will ALL incandescents be ultimately banned? The 100 watters go on 1/1/12, the 75 water's go next year, and so on, etc.?

Yup. Nothing bigger than 25W by 2014.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 30, 2011 02:16 AM (hO8IJ)

19

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at December 30, 2011 07:12 AM (UlUS4)

That's right - in 2013 the 75-W bulb will be banned

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 02:17 AM (s7mIC)

20 Zakn, I don't understand the idea of spending that kind of real money on virtual things.  For $15K you can buy a car for heaven's sake.  (Or a house, if you lived in Detroit.)

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 07:08 AM (s7mIC)

Eve has a system to convert virtual money into cash (and vice versa) through game time cards.  So most probably the battle is over money valued at $15K if you were to buy time cards with it.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at December 30, 2011 02:17 AM (TpXEI)

21 For $15K you can buy a car for heaven's sake.  (Or a house, if you lived in Detroit.)
Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 07:08 AM

Isn't it nice to know that the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure wants $1.5 trillion more to keep his spending spree going?

I'm always amazed that "conservatives" can sit around yammering about the so-called failings of Rick Perry or The Newt -- and ignore The Mutt's weaknesses -- while Osama Obama remains in office. Gotta parse those sentences and whinge about every slip-up to ensure that we get a PURE candidate....

Four more years, bitches....

Posted by: MrScribbler at December 30, 2011 02:18 AM (tkd/a)

22
11 Good luck trying to sell this house

When they built an expressway here in Austin they made one off ramp 150° and
a 25% grade. The house there was hit so many times, the city bought the it and put up a set of fences like the fail safe on an aircraft carrier.

Posted by: Beto Ochoa at December 30, 2011 02:18 AM (lpWVn)

Posted by: Nighthawk at December 30, 2011 02:26 AM (RSqz2)

24 Has there ever been a greater instance of preening dickishness with a thinner resume than Olbermann?  That guy is pathological.

Posted by: James T. Effing Kirk, Literally at December 30, 2011 02:28 AM (B+qrE)

25 23 Hmm...  Could we soon see yet another government healthcare mandate?

Posted by: Nighthawk at December 30, 2011 07:26 AM (RSqz2)

Finally...something I can get my hands around.

Posted by: billygoat at December 30, 2011 02:28 AM (6DDE+)

26 To force the American people to change light bulbs is just a sign of how big and out of control the federal government is.  If the new more expensive bulbs are so great let the market place decide.  The only reason not to do that is the public will still buy the old bulbs, and Washington assholes know it.  Next thing you know they will be taking salt off our tables.

Posted by: Case at December 30, 2011 02:30 AM (FD6YW)

27 Group hug.  Having a bad day today.

Posted by: Aunt Cranky at December 30, 2011 02:32 AM (JoeF6)

28

Next thing you know they will be taking salt off our tables.

Mike Bloomberg, Case's salt shaker.

Case's salt shaker, Mike Bloomberg.

 

Aslo, sock off.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2011 02:33 AM (B+qrE)

29 Via AP -- US Job Market Ends Year in Better Shape

http://tinyurl.com/7dnm23z

The spinning is making me dizzy.

Posted by: billygoat at December 30, 2011 02:33 AM (6DDE+)

30 I have a lamp that takes up to a 250W bulb (I apologize for nothing--I do tiny needlework sometimes) so I'll be out today looking for them. 

I expect most Americans won't notice the ban until it gets down to "only appliance bulbs are allowed" because the only things they do at home at night are use the internet, watch TV, play video games, and have sex, and at least two of those things are better in the dim.  Very few people spend their time doing things that require light (reading or writing on paper, sewing, painting, model-building, etc).  

Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 30, 2011 02:33 AM (hO8IJ)

31 Posted by: Aunt Cranky at December 30, 2011 07:32 AM (JoeF6)

Waddup AC?

Posted by: billygoat at December 30, 2011 02:34 AM (6DDE+)

32 Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 30, 2011 07:33 AM (hO8IJ)

Heather...easy to find at the big boxes...200/250/even 300 clear. 

Posted by: billygoat at December 30, 2011 02:35 AM (6DDE+)

33 I'm in a foul, foul mood!!

To start off the new year, the tolls on the NJ Turnpike and the Garden State Parkway will be rising 50%.

This is on top of the recent Port Authority bridges and tunnel rate increase.

It's time to outlaw the politicians!!!

Posted by: McLovin at December 30, 2011 02:37 AM (j0IcY)

34

Finally...something I can get my hands around.

Posted by: billygoat at December 30, 2011 07:28 AM (6DDE+)

Yes- I think quite a few Morons would like to bury themselves in that project.

Posted by: Nighthawk at December 30, 2011 02:38 AM (RSqz2)

35 OK, pipe fittings is a new one.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2011 02:40 AM (B+qrE)

36 Great, now the plumbers are spamming the blog...

Posted by: Nighthawk at December 30, 2011 02:40 AM (RSqz2)

37 36 OK, pipe fittings is a new one.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2011 07:40 AM (B+qrE)

Nah...they've shown up here before...

Posted by: billygoat at December 30, 2011 02:41 AM (6DDE+)

Posted by: Robert at December 30, 2011 02:41 AM (4ixH5)

39 To start off the new year, the tolls on the NJ Turnpike and the Garden State Parkway will be rising 50%.

But this is due, in part, to Chris Christie holding the line on property taxes, right?

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 02:44 AM (s7mIC)

40 Well I could have used some armored flexible gasline and some fittings
two weeks ago when I added gas service for a new stove and dryer!

Had to use black pipe and dope and pipe seam tape.

Got the job done using off the shelf pipe from Home Depot.

Posted by: McLovin at December 30, 2011 02:44 AM (j0IcY)

41 Hi all sorry that I have relegated my duties to the pipe fitter spam. Just getting up now.  I blame Lonesome Dove.

Posted by: TiminAL at December 30, 2011 07:01 AM (9pzPv)

We are always glad to see lurkers come out and post. Jump right in the water us fine and the flame wars only come sometimes.

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 02:45 AM (YdQQY)

42 Chemjeff,

This is baked in the cake increases passed by Corzine in 2008.

Christie and the Dem controlled legislature haven't done anything to stop them though.


Posted by: McLovin at December 30, 2011 02:46 AM (j0IcY)

43

Jump right in the water us fine and the flame wars only come sometimes.

Don't listen to Vic, he's old and a RINO.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2011 02:48 AM (B+qrE)

44 LOL, get off my lawn.

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 02:49 AM (YdQQY)

45 Something else to watch for in 2012  -- The National Park Service is proposing a new way to do some massive land grabbing by 'protecting migration pathways'. Interior Secretary Ken Salazar (spit) approves natch. Total US land area owned by the feds and states is around 35%, and it's just not enough. Ugh.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 30, 2011 02:50 AM (ENKCw)

46

Posted by: Robert at December 30, 2011 07:41 AM (4ixH5)


Well, I don't favor the mandate, but I still think people are getting conservatism and libertarianism confused w.r.t. the mandate.

The mandate is broadly consistent with conservative principles in the sense of individuals paying their own way, as opposed to the collective paying for everyone.

The mandate is of course completely inconsistent with libertarian principles.

I think that because people are now so easily stating that the mandate is "not conservative" that it shows how much conservatism and libertarianism have fused together recently.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 02:50 AM (s7mIC)

47 Besides, you forgot the secret words

War of 1861 and long bows.

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 02:51 AM (YdQQY)

48

The National Park Service is proposing a new way to do some massive land grabbing by 'protecting migration pathways'.

So, the entire southern border?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2011 02:52 AM (B+qrE)

49

War of 1861 and long bows.

Delaware senate race....

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2011 02:53 AM (B+qrE)

50

War of 1861 and long bows.

Delaware senate race....

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2011 07:53 AM (B+qrE)

Former Alaska Governor...

Posted by: Nighthawk at December 30, 2011 02:54 AM (RSqz2)

51

War of 1861 and long bows.

*readies banhammer*

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 30, 2011 02:55 AM (XBUdh)

52

War of 1861 and long bows.

Delaware senate race....

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2011 07:53 AM (B+qrE)

Former Alaska Governor...

Posted by: Nighthawk at December 30, 2011 07:54 AM (RSqz2)


First Lady...

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 02:55 AM (s7mIC)

53 This is baked in the cake increases passed by Corzine in 2008.

oh, well that sucks then.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 02:57 AM (s7mIC)

54

War of 1861 and long bows.

*readies banhammer*

Is the "and" the trigger, Gabe?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2011 02:57 AM (B+qrE)

55 But this is due, in part, to Chris Christie holding the line on property taxes, right? No. Corslime raided the transportation fund in '07 for 500 Million. This 50%+ toll hike is a Jon Corzine production. 100%. Also, it is to fund our new Hudson River Tunnel! The tunnel we're not building.

Posted by: BP in Corrupt NJ at December 30, 2011 02:59 AM (j84s0)

56

Happy New Year Gabe!

Man, I just got home from grocery shopping. With work and the holidays I haven't had time to do squat. All sorts of laundry to do, beer to purchase, hell, I still haven't put away my Christmas gifts yet.

But on the bright side, I must have slept 11 hours last nite, and I feel realy good...

Posted by: HH at December 30, 2011 03:00 AM (KB0hv)

57 Corslime raided the transportation fund in '07 for 500 Million.

This 50%+ toll hike is a Jon Corzine production. 100%.

Also, it is to fund our new Hudson River Tunnel!

The tunnel we're not building.

Posted by: BP in Corrupt NJ at December 30, 2011 07:59 AM (j84s0)

That guy sure has a hard time keeping track of other people's money doesn't he?

Posted by: Nighthawk at December 30, 2011 03:00 AM (RSqz2)

58 The National Park Service is proposing a new way to do some massive land grabbing by 'protecting migration pathways'. Interior Secretary Ken Salazar (spit) approves natch. Total US land area owned by the feds and states is around 35%, and it's just not enough. Ugh.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 30, 2011 07:50 AM (ENKCw)

If they were actually interested in "protecting migration pathways" (rather than just more power for the feds), they'd outlaw those damn wind farms and the towers that go with them. Those things kill more migrating birds than anything around these days, all in the name of making some nitwit enviro-nazi feel superior about "renewable energy" and to help enrich heavy duty Obama contributors like GE.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at December 30, 2011 03:01 AM (hcJkV)

59 ...luap nor

Posted by: museisluse at December 30, 2011 03:01 AM (4Lj43)

60 morning ya'll, pipe fittings is up earlly today. butt welded fittings sales must be slow this week...........

Posted by: Racefan at December 30, 2011 03:03 AM (NQlWT)

61 That guy sure has a hard time keeping track of other people's money doesn't he?

Good thing I read the comments, or I would have said something like that.

Posted by: fluffy at December 30, 2011 03:03 AM (Lpgtj)

62 And good morning everyone and happy New Year a couple of days early.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at December 30, 2011 03:03 AM (hcJkV)

63 Chemjeff,

Yeah it does suck.

Because a good portion of that money was supposedly  to help fund the ARC project connecting NJ to NY.

Since Christie killed the project the need for those funds is no longer there.

Christie and the legislature should have stepped in and killed or dramatically
reduced the hike. Instead the funds will be used for "other" projects.

While Christie is certainly better than ANY of the alternatives, he's starting to
let me down.

Posted by: McLovin at December 30, 2011 03:03 AM (j0IcY)

64 24 Has there ever been a greater instance of preening dickishness with a thinner resume than Olbermann?  That guy is pathological.

Posted by: James T. Effing Kirk, Literally at December 30, 2011 07:28 AM (B+qrE)

Obama?

Posted by: Nash Rambler at December 30, 2011 03:05 AM (oxgwp)

65

Obama?

He is the President. 

I'll have more people read this comment than watch Olbermann.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2011 03:07 AM (B+qrE)

66 That guy sure has a hard time keeping track of other people's money doesn't he?

He doesn't have a bit of trouble taking it. Christie would do well to make sure those tolls actually get to the state's piggy bank and don't magically disappear into Corzine's pockets, afterall I hear he's in search of the odd dollar these days.

Posted by: Retread at December 30, 2011 03:08 AM (joSBv)

67 47 - I don't think it's a confusion of the two, more like an overlap. The modern conservative "movement" (which strikes me as a bit of an oxymoron) has always included a healthy distrust of government as the source of solutions. The distinction I guess, is we conservatives have no desire to move toward anarchy. There's a tipping point, I guess, and it's not always clear where it is, as evidenced by the discussion they were having yesterday about the supposed Perry gaffe. Still, I think the experience in this country has shown us we don't want to go further down that trail regarding healthcare access and delivery. Government has done a pretty good job mucking things up already.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 30, 2011 03:08 AM (Gc/Qi)

68 32 Posted by: HeatherRadish at December 30, 2011 07:33 AM (hO8IJ)

Or click on Ace's Amazon link and order several cases right now.

Posted by: real joe at December 30, 2011 03:08 AM (w7Lv+)

69 merry 6th day of Christmas!

Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 30, 2011 03:09 AM (Ho2rs)

70 Retread,

None of them have trouble taking our money.

In fact that is pretty much their only job.

Seeing how to creatively extract as much money from us in new and inventive ways.

It really is an art form.

Posted by: McLovin at December 30, 2011 03:10 AM (j0IcY)

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 30, 2011 03:12 AM (ENKCw)

72 Good thing I didn't get up at 4 am to search the news this morning.

It looks like the big news is American Idle consistent endorses Ron Paul.

Who can do without the all-important shit-head endorsement?

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 03:14 AM (YdQQY)

73 70 merry 6th day of Christmas!   If this were the Netherlands, I would have opened my presents on December 5th.  All my toys would be broken by now.

Posted by: Nash Rambler at December 30, 2011 03:15 AM (oxgwp)

74 What do you imagine George Washington would say to SCOAMF if he could? Paco has an excellent answer:

http://tinyurl.com/8xcnanc

A tease:

Under the sanction of what right, divine or human, do you and those of your faction undertake to transform a free people into a herd of lowing cattle? By what law, constitutional or legislative, do you and your like-minded philosophes propose to turn a great nation into a vast ward for the feeble-witted, or a prison for three hundred millions of debtors?

Posted by: Retread at December 30, 2011 03:16 AM (joSBv)

75

Still, I think the experience in this country has shown us we don't want to go further down that trail regarding healthcare access and delivery. Government has done a pretty good job mucking things up already.

Also, the Dems went full tilt, cosmic overload bureaucracy and taxes without even considering common sense measure that would have had an immediate postive impact.

If only someone had written about what those might have been....

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at December 30, 2011 03:17 AM (B+qrE)

76 OK, can somebody explain to me how the individual mandate doesn't violate the 13th amendment? Involuntary servitude?

Posted by: AmishDude at December 30, 2011 03:18 AM (73tyQ)

77 31 Posted by: Aunt Cranky at December 30, 2011 07:32 AM (JoeF6)

Waddup AC?

Posted by: billygoat at December 30, 2011 07:34 AM (6DDE+)

Decided 8 years of mourning my mother's suicide is just too much.  Sorry for the downer.

Posted this song last night for her.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8_FOQ7-P30


Posted by: Aunt Cranky at December 30, 2011 03:19 AM (JoeF6)

78 OK, can somebody explain to me how the individual mandate doesn't violate the 13th amendment?

Hey, that's war of 1861 stuff!

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 03:19 AM (YdQQY)

79 Vic, what no mention of David Duke and Jesse Ventura?

Posted by: AmishDude at December 30, 2011 03:20 AM (73tyQ)

80 Why? Are they your heroes?

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 03:21 AM (YdQQY)

81 73 - I know a young lady who, early in '08 had a Ron Paul sticker on the back of her car. Mid to late summer, she added an Obama sticker to the other side, and I tried to ask her about it. I still have no idea what possible explanation anyone could give for that. She's the nicest person in the world, too. I don't know, maybe there is some sort of dog whistle thing going on, where some people hear it while the rest of us don't.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 30, 2011 03:21 AM (Gc/Qi)

82 and on the 6th day of Christmas Santa gave to us. beer, bacon, and eggs....hell of a nice guy that Santa is.........

Posted by: Racefan at December 30, 2011 03:22 AM (NQlWT)

83 Posted by: AmishDude at December 30, 2011 08:18 AM (73tyQ)

Can you say Commerce Clause?

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 30, 2011 03:23 AM (i3+c5)

84 No, Vic, didn't you hear? David Duke and Jesse Ventura also endorsed Ron Paul.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 30, 2011 03:24 AM (73tyQ)

85 Congratulations on your big hooters
 
(there will be disappointment from the morons)

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 30, 2011 03:25 AM (ENKCw)

86 The 13th overrides the Interstate Commerce clause, if that's even an issue.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 30, 2011 03:26 AM (73tyQ)

87 The modern conservative "movement" (which strikes me as a bit of an oxymoron) has always included a healthy distrust of government as the source of solutions.

Well yeah, which is why something like a mandate, which forces individuals to purchase insurance but in the private marketplace, is preferable from a conservative point of view to a government-run health care system.  But it is not at all libertarian.

The distinction I guess, is we conservatives have no desire to move toward anarchy.

That isn't really a distinction, because not even the capital-L Libertarians are in favor of anarchy, they still favor a minimalist state to provide things like national defense, police protection and a functioning judiciary.

It's always been my belief, anyway, that traditional conservatism approves of the use of the state to preserve traditional values and social order, and that this was the main distinction between conservatism and libertarianism, which places little to no value on the role of traditions and social values.  Am I way off base here?

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 03:26 AM (s7mIC)

88 That isn't really a distinction, because not even the capital-L Libertarians are in favor of anarchy, they still favor a minimalist state to provide things like national defense, police protection and a functioning judiciary.

DMXRoid would disagree.

Posted by: nickless at December 30, 2011 03:28 AM (MMC8r)

89 David Duke and Jesse Ventura also endorsed Ron Paul.

Let me guess, RP said he has no control over who endorses him. I wonder how many assholes have endorsed Mutt?  We will never hear about it though. Like Obama, there is a press blackout on negative shit for Mutt.

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 03:28 AM (YdQQY)

90 Am I way off base here?

Well, yes.  While you're splitting hairs, the government will take everything you have.

Enjoy.

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at December 30, 2011 03:29 AM (uehxp)

91 There's a press blackout on The assholes tied to Ron Paul. As you just demonstrated, Vic.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 30, 2011 03:31 AM (73tyQ)

92 88 - The mandate is the government mandating, whether they mandate you to do something in the private sector or not. And yes, to many conservatives (certainly me), Libertarians and libertarians would have us on the road to anarchy, whether they realize it or not. Of course, if you start talking about traditional values, you're going to get some wide disagreements on what precisely is conservatism. I don't think it would be inaccurate to say the social/fiscal divide, although there are people who cross over each side, is real and that the two sides sometimes barely tolerate each other.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 30, 2011 03:32 AM (Gc/Qi)

93 Howard Kurtz has an article this morning about how the press has given Ron Paul a free pass for far too long,  until his poll numbers soared.

Nice try Howie.  The reason they gave him a pass is that all through the Bush administration he could be counted on spouting the anti-war and paranoid truther questions in Congress and on media outlets.  They thought it was just hilarious to have him up there debating with serious candidates.  They thought they were sticking it to the GOP by leaving him alone.

Now that Paul has enough popularity to draw some serious numbers in Iowa,  and especially now that he is making noises about a 3rd party run,  it has suddenly occurred to them that Paul might attract a sizable number of OWS voters.  Danger, Will Robinson! Danger!

So they are in hurry-up mode to make sure he doesn't grab those voters and run off to Perot-ville,  where this time around the 3rd party run would damage democrats rather than Republicans.

This is my theory,  anyway.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 30, 2011 03:33 AM (GoIUi)

94 The 13th overrides the Interstate Commerce clause, if that's even an issue.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 30, 2011 08:26 AM (73tyQ)

Perhaps I was being a bit facetious since the CC seems perfectly capable of doing everything else to permit the federal government to control our lives, but as to the 13th Amendment, I note that per

"Section 2. Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

Congress thus also has the power to selectively enforce this legislation, thus you as a citizen can be in a position of involuntary servitude as defined by the Congress if it so chooses.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 30, 2011 03:36 AM (i3+c5)

95 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 30, 2011 03:37 AM (8y9MW)

96 How about this from the Gabe link?

The short version is that Bret Kimberlin, a convicted terrorist (bomber, specifically) and perjurer is attempting to obtain my real name by the use of legal process, by claiming I am a witness in an unrelated matter.

If the SOPA bill goes through all they have to do is say hey, that's my stuff and they get shut down.

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 03:37 AM (YdQQY)

97 Posted by: Aunt Cranky at December 30, 2011 08:19 AM (JoeF6)

I'm sorry for that...and not a downer.  Life IS ups and downs...life.  Haven't heard that song in a while...I hope that it helps you in some way to reconcile your thoughts and feelings.  Wishing you better days in 2012; filled with health, happiness and security...only wish I could give more.

Posted by: billygoat at December 30, 2011 03:38 AM (6DDE+)

98 Old blog-fodder Keith Olberdumbass

How pathetic are you when you get replaced by Cenk Uygur?

Posted by: lowandslow at December 30, 2011 03:38 AM (GZitp)

99 ((aunty cranky)) i cry everytime i hear this song....now i'll cry for a different reason........

Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 30, 2011 03:40 AM (Ho2rs)

100 The real river was crossed when the government decided that all comers were to receive medical treatment, period. It's now a right.
 
So the argument is just about how and who will pay. Government issued coverage, individual mandate, docs working for peanuts, whatever. See Britain's NHS for details.

Posted by: GnuBreed at December 30, 2011 03:41 AM (ENKCw)

101 Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 08:37 AM (YdQQY)
The other note I saw was that Worthing (a bar qualified lawyer in two other states) could not file in his own defense in a MD court without having a MD lawyer.  Got to love a good guild structure!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 30, 2011 03:41 AM (i3+c5)

102 Happy New Year, Gabe!

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 30, 2011 03:42 AM (niZvt)

103 http://thenextright.com/chemjeff/should-we-criminalize-daily-kos#comments Should we criminalize Daily Kos? Submitted by chemjeff on Mon, 05/04/2009 - 15:09 in Blogs cyber-bullying Democrats first amendment free speech Or Free Republic, for that matter? Well, Linda Sanchez (D) thinks it might be a good idea. (a) Whoever transmits in interstate or foreign commerce any communication, with the intent to coerce, intimidate, harass, or cause substantial emotional distress to a person, using electronic means to support severe, repeated, and hostile behavior, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. "So, let me see if I understand this. If I go onto Daily Kos and start accusing the posters of being godless communists bent on destroying the USA, using withering inflammatory insults ("severe" and "hostile"), and I do so in a "repeated" manner, then according to Sanchez I should be thrown in jail. Of course the intention is to stop 'cyber-bullying' among kids. But here is a pretty obvious case where the proposed action upon the intention will have significant unintended consequences that threaten everyone's liberty."....chemjeff This chemjeff guy sounds like a conspiracy freakazoid listening for black helicopters. What a head case.

Posted by: retired but still ticked off at December 30, 2011 03:43 AM (VfOuY)

104
How pathetic are you when you get replaced by Cenk Uygur?

Apparently, Gore's plan is to take the lowest rated news network and snap up the people even they don't want, and build a towering news giant with them.

Brilliant!

Posted by: nickless at December 30, 2011 03:43 AM (MMC8r)

105 That's all I have to say. I'm going to go see a man about a dog.

Posted by: retired at December 30, 2011 03:44 AM (VfOuY)

106 Cenk Uygur sounds like a repulsive skin condition. Come to think of it, he looks like one, too.

Posted by: CoolCzech at December 30, 2011 03:44 AM (niZvt)

107
Got to love a good guild structure!

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 30, 2011 08:41 AM (i3+c5)

Yeah, they tried to nail me when I defended my cousin in Briarpatch, USA.

Posted by: Vinny Gambini & Mona Lisa Vito at December 30, 2011 03:44 AM (TkGkA)

108 Posted by: GnuBreed at December 30, 2011 08:41 AM (ENKCw)
So if Virginia didn't provide medical treatment but West Virginia did, patients would cross the border from VA to WV to receive the treatment and, voila, the Commerce Clause would apply.

As you say, the rest is just details about how best to put the yoke about our necks.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 30, 2011 03:45 AM (i3+c5)

109

On the ONT, there were many folks reporting colds, etc.  I'll throw in my two cents worth.  DRY AIR!  Three winters ago, I invested in a really good humidifier (after researching comsumer reviews).  I found that the itchy eyes, excess musus, sore throats, et al were due to the low humidity, and my body was naturally reacting by creating its own "fluids" to counteract the dryness.

After many years of having frequent colds, I am now in my third year "cold-free".

Of course, if little "snot-nosed" kids were running around during your Christmas celebrations, that's another story. 

If in doubt, buy a cheap hygrometer, and test the humidity in the room you spend the most time in.  If it reads less then 40%, try a good (Air-O-Swiss) humidifier with the bacteria-killing silver bar in it.

Posted by: abandon at December 30, 2011 03:47 AM (Q/K83)

110 75 - New definition of Progressives: assiduously destructive bagworms in the Orchard of Liberty....

Posted by: Coyote w/Anvil at December 30, 2011 03:47 AM (8gyVP)

111

Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

AllenG, perpetually correct in this regard.

Posted by: Mr. Dave at December 30, 2011 03:48 AM (OBDWE)

112

94Howard Kurtz has an article this morning about how the press has given Ron Paul a free pass for far too long, until his poll numbers soared.

Nice try Howie. The reason they gave him a pass is that all through the Bush administration he could be counted on spouting the anti-war and paranoid truther questions in Congress and on media outlets. They thought it was just hilarious to have him up there debating with serious candidates. They thought they were sticking it to the GOP by leaving him alone.

Now that Paul has enough popularity to draw some serious numbers in Iowa, and especially now that he is making noises about a 3rd party run, it has suddenly occurred to them that Paul might attract a sizable number of OWS voters. Danger, Will Robinson! Danger!

So they are in hurry-up mode to make sure he doesn't grab those voters and run off to Perot-ville, where this time around the 3rd party run would damage democrats rather than Republicans.

This is my theory, anyway.
----

On a related issue, The last time he ran (200 I noticed FOX news (didn't watch the others) would always edit him out of primary results. I assumed so that his name would not be on the television. If he was running 5th, they'd only show the top 4 candidates. If he was running 4th, they'd show the top three. I wondered what they would do if he ever made it in the top 3 tally, which never happened.

 

Just something I noticed

Posted by: Jimmah at December 30, 2011 03:48 AM (TMeYE)

113 Apparently, Gore's plan is to take the lowest rated news network and snap up the people even they don't want, and build a towering news giant with them. Brilliant! Posted by: nickless at December 30, 2011 08:43 AM (MMC8r) So you're saying that under the right circumstances, you can actually make more money with a flop than with a hit?

Posted by: Max Bialistok at December 30, 2011 03:48 AM (niZvt)

114

Aaron Worthing, who is resisting an attempt by a convicted bomber to out him. Aaron is a great legal blogger and that brief is an awesome legal take-down.

Can somebody explain what's going on? I'm missing parts of the story.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2011 03:51 AM (XdlcF)

115 110 - I'm just being goofy here, but your comment sorta reads like a really effective spambot post! Like it should be filled with a bunch of links to e-humidifiers... or something. Sorry. It just struck me as funny. Good advice, anyway.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 30, 2011 03:52 AM (Gc/Qi)

116 AllenG, perpetually correct in this regard.

Humbly submitted for approval. 

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 30, 2011 03:53 AM (8y9MW)

117  #47 The mandate is broadly consistent with conservative principles in the sense of individuals paying their own way, as opposed to the collective paying for everyone.

Sorry Jeff, you are going to have to explain this one to me.  How is the light bulb mandate 'paying their own way'?

Posted by: dogfish at December 30, 2011 03:57 AM (421v5)

118 Corslime raided the transportation fund in '07 for 500 Million.

This 50%+ toll hike is a Jon Corzine production. 100%.

Also, it is to fund our new Hudson River Tunnel!

The tunnel we're not building.

Posted by: BP in Corrupt NJ at December 30, 2011 07:59 AM (j84s0)

That guy sure has a hard time keeping track of other people's money doesn't he?

Posted by: Nighthawk at December 30, 2011 08:00 AM (RSqz2)


Rhetorical question: How is that SOB not in jail?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 30, 2011 03:57 AM (1Jaio)

119 Fuck me runnin'. This is why we have got to ditch the communist and his crab lice. Even if we have to accept the fucking RINOvac Romney.

Posted by: maddogg at December 30, 2011 03:57 AM (OlN4e)

120 Congress thus also has the power to selectively enforce this legislation, thus you as a citizen can be in a position of involuntary servitude as defined by the Congress if it so chooses.

Posted by: Hrothgar at December 30, 2011 08:36 AM (i3+c5)

Still, I think this is an interesting line of argument, if only for the internets.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 30, 2011 03:58 AM (73tyQ)

121 Can somebody explain what's going on? I'm missing parts of the story.

Based on the linked blog, said convicted bomber is being sued for something (it appears to be a civil suit, but I couldn't tell for sure) by someone with a tenuous relationship w/ Mr. Worthing.  Bomber-Man wanted Mr. Worthing to testify, Mr Worthing thinks everything he knows is either not relevant or subject (due to said tenuous relationship) to attorney client privilege, and, further, that losing his anonymity could get him killed (he's the guy who founded the Everyone Draw Mohammed blog).  So he's trying not to let that happen.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 30, 2011 03:58 AM (8y9MW)

122 The 13th overrides the Interstate Commerce clause, if that's even an issue. Posted by: AmishDude at December 30, 2011 08:26 AM (73tyQ)

Hah!  Let me assure you, this mythical 13th Amendment would not override the Commerce Clause.

Posted by: The Supreme Court at December 30, 2011 04:02 AM (TpXEI)

123 Has there ever been a greater instance of preening dickishness with a thinner resume than Olbermann?

Barack Obama?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 30, 2011 04:02 AM (8y9MW)

124 Breaking News Flash!  NY Times Is Hinting That Obama May Be Aloof!

Posted by: Fritz at December 30, 2011 04:04 AM (/ZZCn)

125 #124.  Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

Posted by: dogfish at December 30, 2011 04:05 AM (421v5)

126 LOL, Allen, I got that much. There's more to it and I know some of it, but I'm missing some pieces.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2011 04:07 AM (XdlcF)

127

Looks like Olby still has plenty of fans in the comments section of that article. 

You know, clicking over to the NYT leaves you with a slimy feeling that's bad enough, but going into one of their comments sections is downright putrefying.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 30, 2011 04:08 AM (rX1N2)

128 The mandate is broadly consistent with conservative principles in the sense of individuals paying their own way, as opposed to the collective paying for everyone.

Except that it is not conservative to attempt to legislate Personal Responsibility (since responsibility cannot be legislated).  The actual Conservative Answer (which happens also to be the libertarian answer) is to stop forcing Doctors and Hospitals to treat everyone regardless of ability to pay.

As "heartless" as that sounds, most Doctors and Hospitals would still see true emergency cases regardless of ability to pay, but it would cut way, way down on people who use the ER as their Primary Care Physician and/or the freeloaders who just call everything "an emergency" and so go to the ER.

I was actually thinking about this on the way home, last night, and I may do a blog post on it: as with any real-world philosophy, Conservatism has some seeming contradictions or self-conflicts that really disappear if you're willing to dig down to the base premises of the arguments.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 30, 2011 04:08 AM (8y9MW)

129 How pathetic are you when you get replaced by Cenk Uygur?

Posted by: lowandslow at December 30, 2011 08:38 AM (GZitp)

And Miss Jiffy Lube in a transparent effort to lure junior high guys away from Skinemax.  Or maybe release Manbearpig's chakra.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 30, 2011 04:09 AM (9AVhU)

130 Winner, winner, chicken dinner.

Only if its fried chicken, cooked in a cast-iron skillet.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 30, 2011 04:09 AM (8y9MW)

131 billygoat and phoenixgirl, thank you.  Most of my friends and family have been strangely silent in this process.

Posted by: Aunt Cranky at December 30, 2011 04:09 AM (JoeF6)

132 This is my theory,  anyway.

Posted by: Miss Marple at December 30, 2011 08:33 AM (GoIUi)

I don't think so. They never really used Ron Paul as a bludgeon and just saw him as fringe.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 30, 2011 04:10 AM (73tyQ)

133 Like Obama, there is a press blackout on negative shit for Mutt.

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 08:28 AM (YdQQY)

The difference being, of course, that the blackout on Mitt's shit will magically expire the moment he is nominated.

Posted by: Nighthawk at December 30, 2011 04:10 AM (RSqz2)

134 I have a question for the legal beagles and/or the Romney supporters... how satisfied, generally, are you with GW Bush's judicial nominations (and not just the Supremes), and where do you see Romney coming down, should he be elected? Better than Bush's record or worse? And on what basis would you draw your conclusions? Eh, more than one question, I guess.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 30, 2011 04:10 AM (Gc/Qi)

135

You know, clicking over to the NYT leaves you with a slimy feeling that's bad enough, but going into one of their comments sections is downright putrefying.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 30, 2011 09:08 AM (rX1N2)

Yet I still encounter nitbrains who strongly imply that reading the NYT is the smart thing to do.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 30, 2011 04:12 AM (9AVhU)

136 aunt cranky sorry you aren't getting the support you need....sometimes people don't know what to say even though they do care.....they just can't find the words or actions because they are struggling with it too......

Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 30, 2011 04:15 AM (Ho2rs)

137 Btw, happy New Year Gabe and thanks for these morning posts.

Posted by: Captain Hate at December 30, 2011 04:16 AM (9AVhU)

138

The difference being, of course, that the blackout on Mitt's shit will magically expire the moment he is nominated.

Posted by: Nighthawk at December 30, 2011 09:10 AM (RSqz2)

Of course.

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 04:17 AM (YdQQY)

139 132 billygoat and phoenixgirl, thank you.  Most of my friends and family have been strangely silent in this process.

Posted by: Aunt Cranky at December 30, 2011 09:09 AM (JoeF6)

A very good childhood friend was killed in 1969 (struck by a car)...I can't tell you how often my thoughts turn to this girl; even now 42 years later.  Grieving is an extremely personal process.  My point?...your journey will be unlike that of anyone else and those around you may just not get yours.  Again my sympathies, Aunt Cranky.

Posted by: billygoat at December 30, 2011 04:18 AM (6DDE+)

140 ......what?! you mean romney is only "chosen" until he's "chosen"?

Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 30, 2011 04:19 AM (Ho2rs)

141

Except that it is not conservative to attempt to legislate Personal Responsibility (since responsibility cannot be legislated). 

That's what I don't get - how anyone thinks that coercion equals personal responsibility.  It's completely antithetical. 

There is nothing conservative about the mandate in either a specific or a broad sense.  Square peg meet round hole.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 30, 2011 04:19 AM (rX1N2)

142 Sorry to hear that AC,
Spent a few hours at an Aunts grave with Mom, 3 Aunts, a Cousin and 3 she never met Grand-daughters at a Democrat Reserve Voter depot (aka Chicago Cemetery) this past summer.  Prayers & flowers, etc.
IIRC someone interviewed the few who survived jumping off the Golden Gate and they all said "I knew as soon as I jumped I had made a mistake".

Posted by: DaveA at December 30, 2011 04:19 AM (t/mAc)

143 116- No, nothing to gain here... just wanted to help.

Posted by: abandon at December 30, 2011 04:20 AM (Q/K83)

144 The American Thinker guy has something to say about that little dress that looks like it came from Target.

"Also in 2009, Michelle Obama wore an Alaïa dress to the American Ballet Theatre Opening Night Spring Gala in New York.  Her choice of fashion by this French couturier broke the tradition of American First Ladies wearing styles by American designers to such events"  The maker of that little dress, Sophie Theallet, is a protege of Alaia.

Didn't they attend services at a base?

Odd choice when the trend is for Americans to "buy American" and they were tripping over themselves this Christmas to do so.

Posted by: dip theory ah at December 30, 2011 04:20 AM (oZfic)

145 I am excited about where the space program is going this decade and the next. China's space program , that is.

Posted by: A Monkey Named Xiang at December 30, 2011 04:21 AM (+o7Q1)

146

Ah, there's some of it waaay down in the link Gabe posted:

Likewise, at Occupy for Accountability’s website, they have posted photographs of the home of Mr. Frey.  See Exhibit EE.  Occupy for Accountability is plainly affiliated with Velvet Revolution, given that as of this writing if one goes to Occupy’s donation page and presses the “donate” button, one is immediately taken to the Velvet Revolution website.  Upon information and belief, Mr. Frey is a Deputy District Attorney in Los Angeles’ Hardcore Gang Unit, and thus such posting will increase the likelihood that Mr. Frey and wife and his family would be subject to violence in retaliation for his work as a prosecutor.

 

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2011 04:22 AM (XdlcF)

147 Has Gabe put up a post endorsing Gary Johnson yet?

Posted by: Burn the Witch at December 30, 2011 04:23 AM (rX1N2)

148

The comments in the Olbermann article prove without a shadow of doubt that stupid people are far from an endangered species. Millions of years of evolution have not stamped out teh stoopid. Oh well, we still have worms and slugs, so it seems intelligence may be a gift, rather than a necessity. Those commenters got screwed. So obviously, their being screwed is the natural state of things. So we are justified in fucking them over at every opportunity. And we should, as its what they deserve, and a hellova lotta fun for us in the bargain.

/Have you fucked over a liberal today? If not, your are derelict in your duty to God and country.

Posted by: maddogg at December 30, 2011 04:23 AM (OlN4e)

149 Posted by: dogfish at December 30, 2011 08:57 AM (421v5) Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 30, 2011 09:08 AM (8y9MW) Cut it out, you two. You're going to make little emo jeffy cry.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 30, 2011 04:25 AM (p7SSh)

150 Ron Paul is a serious candidate!!

Posted by: Rainbow sweater with elf ears at December 30, 2011 04:28 AM (BFzUn)

151

Happy New Year, Gabe!  Enjoy your time with your friends!

In unrelated news, tell me this isn't the stupidest headline you've read in a while.  From the UK Daily Mail:

The hunt for the slave called Obama: Genealogists develop online database of African names with hope of uncovering President's lost past

Most of the millions of Africans enslaved before 1807 were known only by numbers, the stories of their ancestry either a part of family lore or completely re-written upon their disembarkment in America.
The move came after Obama's presidential campaign when he hired genealogists to research his  family's roots - however aides kept the findings secret.

So far, two men named Obama sit among some 9,500 captured Africans whose names were written on line after line in the registries of obscure, 19th century slave trafficking courts - registries recorded almost two centuries before there was a man with the same name in the White House.

There is no proof that the unidentified Obama has ties to President Barack Obama. All they share is a name.

But that is exactly the commonality that Emory University researchers hope to build upon as they delve into the origins of Africans who were taken up and sold...

They make a hand-wave reference later in the story about how Obama's father is from Kenya, and slaves rarely came from the Eastern side of Africa because of its distance from port.  To which i would add, "Yeah, and his father was from Kenya.  An actual African.  And his mother was white.  So you tell me why you think some slave who happens to be named 'Obama' would have any kind of relationship to the SCOAMFOTUS."

Dumbest thing ever.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 30, 2011 04:29 AM (4df7R)

152 AC - I think maybe your friends and family are fearful of hurting you, with mention of a painful memory.  I've been where you are. Try to get through the day.  And don't worry about being in a funk; you deserve to be, and you don't hurt anyone.

Posted by: abandon at December 30, 2011 04:30 AM (Q/K83)

153 Keith is a great reminder that even a deeply-closeted, unjustifiably smug, socially incompetent, self-involved jackass can be a hero to the American Left. They deserve each other.

Posted by: SurferDoc at December 30, 2011 04:32 AM (6H6FZ)

154 Dumbest thing ever.

Well, maybe second, after 52% of the country voting for a man about whom they knew absolutely nothing.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 30, 2011 04:33 AM (8y9MW)

155 Cenk Uygur sounds like a repulsive skin condition.

A name for invading somewhere in Asia on horseback, (not sure if small hairy horse & bow or giant black horse & 2 headed axe).  Either that or the sound your transmission makes when you shift to overdrive and it's gone.

Posted by: DaveA at December 30, 2011 04:34 AM (t/mAc)

156 135 I have a question for the legal beagles and/or the Romney supporters... how satisfied, generally, are you with GW Bush's judicial nominations (and not just the Supremes), and where do you see Romney coming down, should he be elected? Better than Bush's record or worse? And on what basis would you draw your conclusions?

Eh, more than one question, I guess.

Posted by: BurtTC at December 30, 2011 09:10 AM (Gc/Qi)

This is the one thing about Romney I'm not worried about.  Bork is advising him.

Of the candidates who could win the nomination, I think all of them would be good on the judge issue.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 30, 2011 04:34 AM (73tyQ)

157 157 amishdude gtk....that actually brings me some comfort.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl all in for perry at December 30, 2011 04:37 AM (Ho2rs)

158

Has Gabe put up a post endorsing Gary Johnson yet?

Why would I do that? Didn't you see my endorsement of Perry last week?

 

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at December 30, 2011 04:39 AM (XBUdh)

159 Since your still around Gabe. Happy New Year!

Posted by: maddogg at December 30, 2011 04:43 AM (OlN4e)

160 155 Dumbest thing ever.

Well, maybe second, after 52% of the country voting for a man about whom they knew absolutely nothing.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) says 'No' to RINO Romney at December 30, 2011 09:33 AM (8y9MW)

You are absolutely correct.

 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 30, 2011 04:44 AM (4df7R)

161 The National Park Service is proposing a new way to do some massive land grabbing by 'protecting migration pathways'.

Our summer fishing place borders a great NP.  So I get to see all this wonderful stuff they do every year along with...  1/2 a dozen summer places signed into oblivion by BillyJeff.  They've spent good money taking these places, tearing them down and letting 1/2 a cleared acre with wood cabins on them turn back to 1/2 a forested acre among billions.  One with a nice beach they left a building on and put up a sign asking for more stories about summer life on the lake.  It's a great way to annoy the crap out of yourself when the fish aren't biting. 

Posted by: DaveA at December 30, 2011 04:44 AM (t/mAc)

162 To which i would add, "Yeah, and his father was from Kenya.  An actual African.  And his mother was white.  So you tell me why you think some slave who happens to be named 'Obama' would have any kind of relationship to the SCOAMFOTUS."

But I must have slave ancestors to be an authentic victim of the oppressive American regime!

Posted by: SCOAMF at December 30, 2011 04:46 AM (joSBv)

163

So Olberdouche can't get along with his bosses at his (new) gig?  So what else is new?

 

But it's hard to believe that Olby can't get along with Al Gore--the biggest douchebag of all time.  They ought to fit together like a matching set.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at December 30, 2011 04:46 AM (3ESDJ)

164 Speaking of fish not biting: A guy I work with came in with what is supposed to be the hottest new lure system in the world. It's call an "Alabama Rig" and he says it's selling for $35.00 a pop and there is a 6 week waiting list. Wants me to design and build a casting jig/mold for him. After looking at his single example, and checking it out on the web, I might just do it.

Posted by: maddogg at December 30, 2011 04:49 AM (OlN4e)

165

Posted by: retired but still ticked off at December 30, 2011 08:43 AM (VfOuY)


Why are you rehashing an argument from several days ago?

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 04:52 AM (s7mIC)

166 Got up late, had to read through this thread. Chemjeff thanks for the links. Vic thanks for being you as always. Aunt Cranky, you are not alone. We all handle grief in our own time frame. Lost a sister 2+ years ago and still get choked up. I haven't even come near to processing for her, because I was the "strong" one for the rest of the family. Now they have moved on and I still have to get over it. And whoever made the comment about the damn wind farms killing birds YOU ARE SO RIGHT!! When they put those damn turbines down in south Texas some of the enviro whackos spoke up but got quickly smothered. Those windmills kill a ton of birds, and they are right on some major migration paths.

Posted by: San Antonio Rose at December 30, 2011 04:55 AM (nOFwj)

167 Except that it is not conservative to attempt to legislate Personal Responsibility (since responsibility cannot be legislated).

Okay, Allen.  Here is a thought experiment for you.

Suppose I order a meal at a restaurant, eat the meal, and then leave without paying.  Should the state force me to pay the bill?  And if so, how is this not "legislating personal responsibility"?

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 04:56 AM (s7mIC)

168

With the New Year quickly approaching, it’s time for some anti-doom.

Public polling conducted by news organizations is done as a way to increase viewership for financial gain.  These organizations know that no one will remember or care what is reported two weeks after a particular poll, so the incentive is to do them fast and cheap with a semi-predetermined outcome.

The real polling is done by the political parties and individual candidates.  These polls are expensive, use the latest techniques and data and are far more accurate than what gets put on the air or printed in the NYTimes.  Internal polling rarely is leaked and if it is, only a small portion comes out.

One of the ways to know the gist of the real polling is to watch the actions of the participants.  Democrat incumbents are running for the exit in droves.  Even Nancy Pelosi (although she has no chance of losing) has floated the trial balloon that she’s getting out.  Obama’s public polling (which always skews to the left) is having trouble trying to keep him in the 40’s. All indications are that 2012 is going to be a democrat bloodbath of biblical proportions.

Look for a few more “surprise” announcements of dems who want to spend more time with their families.  As larger contributors assess the outlook, the money will dry up and those with hopeless numbers will be asked to step aside. 

So, we are not all truly fucked, as some have suggested.  2012 is a time for celebration.  Drink, party, club a hobo or two and rest assured that the New Year will bring the humiliating defeat the left so richly deserves.

Posted by: jwest at December 30, 2011 04:57 AM (8moZm)

169 Hey Aunt Cranky, so sorry about your loss.  Man that sucks.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 04:58 AM (s7mIC)

170
What immigration problem?

Univision Finds Ratings Success

Against a full slate of repeats on the big four broadcast networks, the Spanish-language network Univision emerged as the highest-rated channel in the 18-to-49-year-old demographic on Monday night, according to Nielsen data. The two-hour finale of the telenovela “La Fuerza del Destino” (“The Strength of Destiny”) averaged 5.4 million total viewers and trailed only a repeat of “Two and a Half Men” on CBS in the 18-to-49 category.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at December 30, 2011 04:58 AM (3wBRE)

171

They make a hand-wave reference later in the story about how Obama's father is from Kenya, and slaves rarely came from the Eastern side of Africa because of its distance from port.  To which i would add, "Yeah, and his father was from Kenya.  An actual African.  And his mother was white.  So you tell me why you think some slave who happens to be named 'Obama' would have any kind of relationship to the SCOAMFOTUS."

Dumbest thing ever.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 30, 2011 09:29 AM (4df7R)

Of course this refers to European slavery. There was plenty of African slavery, but they didn't have records and I think the Luo tribe were more perpetrator and facilitator than victims of slavery.

I find such sins of ancestry silly, but it seems to have currency on the Left.

This is of a piece with what I was getting at with the 13th amendment.  Barack Obama actually advocated a statute that institutes slavery. If you're against slavery, you should be troubled by this.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 30, 2011 04:59 AM (73tyQ)

172 however aides kept the findings secret.

Because there wasn't anything there!

It's not "we don't know for sure because the findings are secret," it's "the findings are secret because there isn't any news to scream about it."

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2011 04:59 AM (XdlcF)

173 jwest - Only if we work hard this year to get good candidates from our local, state and national primaries on the ballot, then get them elected. It ain't over till the big ears dude is out of office. Oh and as always, if you can - volunteer to be an election judge, a poll watcher or see if you can find an organization in your state that checks voter rolls. Being a spreadsheet wizard that is something I try to help with.

Posted by: San Antonio Rose at December 30, 2011 05:01 AM (nOFwj)

174 Dude... if Perry could just buyout Bachman with a case of corndogs and Santorum with a DVD set of Glee and box of dildos... he would be in like Flynn. Fuck - does anyone not feel like this is Deja Vu of 2008? We all know Romney/McCain sucks and we can't do anything to stop it?!?

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at December 30, 2011 05:03 AM (JNqU9)

175 Okay my racist side is about to show and it is mean and ugly. Why do we have to have everything (ie state and national and local official documents) in both English and Spanish??? We had a state senator put forth a cost savings proposal that said all documents would just be printed in english with no "espanol" on the other side. The savings were in the millions of dollars. I live in San Antonio - I am proud of the contribution of my fellow Americans who immigrated legally from Mexico, etc to build themselves a better life. I don't give a shit what tint their skin is, and that they like Tecate beer. (Though that last one is hard to understand.) But this dual language thing is CRAP!!! We are not Montreal, dammit.

Posted by: San Antonio Rose at December 30, 2011 05:08 AM (nOFwj)

176 You people are so great.  I put it out there thinking nobody would care.  I need to get all this out of my system for my sanity but it is so hard.

Posted by: Aunt Cranky at December 30, 2011 05:08 AM (JoeF6)

177 Fuck - does anyone not feel like this is Deja Vu of 2008?

I've been saying that for months now.

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 05:08 AM (YdQQY)

178 I don’t think Iran is as foolish as they may appear. They have to know, without us telling them, if they block the straights of Hormuz that the 5th fleet will try to unblock it. What if they traded the drone that crashed in Iran to China for some missiles, their so-called carrier killer missiles. Or what if our intelligence is wrong and the have a couple of nukes ready to go? Untested, but worth a shot. The risk of course is what we do then.

Posted by: dontheflyer at December 30, 2011 05:08 AM (vOcVu)

179

But it's hard to believe that Olby can't get along with Al Gore--the biggest douchebag of all time.  They ought to fit together like a matching set.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at December 30, 2011 09:46 AM (3ESDJ)

Too much douchebaggery in one place collapses time and space into a super douchey singularity.  It's not pretty.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 30, 2011 05:10 AM (4df7R)

180 Hot Gas quotes the NYT about poor loner Obama:

 His relationship with Washington insiders is described by members of both parties as “remote,” “distant” and “perfunctory.”

Poor guy has to spend Christmas in Hawaii because he doesn't have friends in DC or something.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2011 05:10 AM (XdlcF)

181 Aunt Cranky, I'm so very sorry to hear of your loss.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit at December 30, 2011 05:10 AM (4df7R)

182 Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 09:56 AM (s7mIC) You're dumber than the trolls. You have no concept of logic and argumentation, do you?

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 30, 2011 05:11 AM (p7SSh)

183 Except that it is not conservative to attempt to legislate Personal Responsibility (since responsibility cannot be legislated).

I think Dr. Johnson would disagree.

Posted by: toby928 at December 30, 2011 05:12 AM (GTbGH)

184 Yea, it does feel like wash, rinse repeat from 2008. But I think we need to double down efforts at local and state levels to start the change from within at the ground level. We have this beast because people like me were complacent for years, it will take as few cycles being involved to fix it. Kinda like losing that pregnancy fat did.

Posted by: San Antonio Rose at December 30, 2011 05:13 AM (nOFwj)

185

Aunt Cranky, condolences.

I lost my wife of 35 years 5 months ago. I may never recover. Yeah, it's hard.

Posted by: maddogg at December 30, 2011 05:14 AM (OlN4e)

186 I need to get all this out of my system for my sanity but it is so hard.

Yep, it really is. Best of luck to you.

Posted by: Mama AJ at December 30, 2011 05:15 AM (XdlcF)

187 oh look, FRONT the asshole is back

why don't you go back to your bunker and stroke your guns some more

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 05:16 AM (s7mIC)

188 Maddogg - I am sorry for your loss. My dad lost his life's partner, my mom last spring. This Christmas was rough on him. I am sure it was rough for you too. But I am glad you are here, cause your posts are so damn cranky.

Posted by: San Antonio Rose at December 30, 2011 05:18 AM (nOFwj)

189 maddogg, man I'm sorry to hear that
so sorry for your loss

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 05:19 AM (s7mIC)

190 Greetings. The tea party will take back America. My daddy and his friends run this country. Koch Brothers...america F*Ck Yea!

Posted by: TeaPaarty at December 30, 2011 05:20 AM (RHb9m)

191 Via AP -- US Job Market Ends Year in Better Shape

US Labor Force Participation Rate:

Jan  2011  64.30%
Dec 2011  64.00%

The AP sucks cock by choice.

Posted by: toby928 at December 30, 2011 05:20 AM (GTbGH)

192 Doesn't Obama remind you of Pol Pot?

Posted by: Setting the bait at December 30, 2011 05:21 AM (YmPwQ)

193
US Labor Force Participation Rate:

Jan  2011  64.30%
Dec 2011  64.00%

The AP sucks cock by choice.


Layers of fact checkers.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 05:21 AM (s7mIC)

194 Look for a few more “surprise” announcements of dems who want to spend more time with their families.  As larger contributors assess the outlook, the money will dry up and those with hopeless numbers will be asked to step aside.

The only negative about this is that we can't defeat them and they can throw in an unknown with no record who will talk the moderate game and then go hard left.

The key for me was Barney Frank.  It must have KILLED him to not stand for re-election.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 30, 2011 05:21 AM (73tyQ)

195 #191 - ??????

Posted by: San Antonio Rose at December 30, 2011 05:21 AM (nOFwj)

196 I am RINO. I like to invade other countries. I do not care if I have more enemies and have killed innocent people. I am no longer welcome in many countries due to the stupid Geneva Convention.  Torture..Meh. God Bless USA. Go America.

Posted by: GeorgeBush at December 30, 2011 05:21 AM (RHb9m)

197 oh look, FRONT the asshole is back why don't you go back to your bunker and stroke your guns some more Listen, you stupid emo fuck: Whether you know it or not, you are a leftard moby. Just embrace it now. Ace has pulled that bunker/guns line. It works for him. From a beta little pussy like you, it's downright laughable.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 30, 2011 05:22 AM (p7SSh)

198

180.....Too much douchebaggery in one place collapses time and space into a super douchey singularity. It's not pretty.

This serves as an accurate description of Washington, DC, too. .....Which explains the loud sucking noise coming from that area.

Posted by: wheatie.....diehard Perry supporter at December 30, 2011 05:22 AM (oPkw3)

199 #191, #197 - Look troll scum go back to your stupid asshole where you came from. If you cant at least put forth some type of reasonable propaganda go back to your college freshman english class and review your notes for writing.

Posted by: San Antonio Rose at December 30, 2011 05:25 AM (nOFwj)

200 #191 - ??????

Some people's entire purpose in life is to serve as a cautionary example of the dangers of autoerotic asphyxiation.

Posted by: toby928 at December 30, 2011 05:25 AM (GTbGH)

201 Thanks Toby, I was wondering what that was...

Posted by: San Antonio Rose at December 30, 2011 05:26 AM (nOFwj)

202 What if they traded the drone that crashed in Iran to China for some missiles, their so-called carrier killer missiles.
They'd need a shitload to get past Aegis, CIWS, etc.
 Or what if our intelligence is wrong and the have a couple of nukes ready to go?
Delivered to a Carrier group how?
also
Somebody ran down their likely target list IIRC.
1. Tel Aviv
2. Tel Aviv (to be sure, to be sure)
3. Riyadh or New York

Posted by: DaveA at December 30, 2011 05:32 AM (t/mAc)

203 Stank Wigger actually has a job?

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at December 30, 2011 05:32 AM (NBPbB)

204 autoerotic asphyxiation.
I don't want to buy a Batman costume - Butters

Posted by: DaveA at December 30, 2011 05:34 AM (t/mAc)

205 So, if Mitten wins, he will be the first non Christian US president?

I would take issue with Wright's church being called "Christian" but at least it's nominally so.

I don't think Quakers (Nixon) actually consider themselves Christian.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 30, 2011 05:36 AM (73tyQ)

206 The SCOAMF misses Reggie Love so much already he gave him a phone call.  Seriously.  (Link to Weasel Zippers).

Posted by: Ian S. at December 30, 2011 05:36 AM (Lpdzt)

207 After looking at his single example, and checking it out on the web, I might just do it.

Posted by: maddogg at December 30, 2011 09:49 AM (OlN4e)

We'll be waiting for our cut of your new found wealth, Comrade!

Posted by: Your Friends at the IRS at December 30, 2011 05:37 AM (6DDE+)

208 AC,
Talk to somebody local.  There's probably some group talk things a local therapist could point you towards.  Suicide adds that "So damn pissed at them for leaving" twist to grief. 

Posted by: DaveA at December 30, 2011 05:37 AM (t/mAc)

209 So, if Mitten wins, he will be the first non Christian US president?

I thought Obama took care of that already.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at December 30, 2011 05:37 AM (YmPwQ)

210 Torture, Torture, Torture. If the US (GO AMERICA) defense contractors get their way we will always be at WAR. God Bless USA. USA #1. Build the military industrial complex.

Posted by: DickCheney at December 30, 2011 05:38 AM (RHb9m)

211 Heh. Just saw on CNN that SCOAMF laid a wreath at the Arizona memorial yesterday.. Well, better late than never, I suppose.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at December 30, 2011 05:39 AM (YmPwQ)

212 177 You people are so great.  I put it out there thinking nobody would care.  I need to get all this out of my system for my sanity but it is so hard.

Posted by: Aunt Cranky at December 30, 2011 10:08 AM (JoeF6)

Aunt C -- always better to get it out of your head and off your chest...

Posted by: billygoat at December 30, 2011 05:39 AM (6DDE+)

213 Go America.

Posted by: GeorgeBush at December 30, 2011 10:21 AM (RHb9m)

Yeah?...tell that to your hero Odipshit, dumb ass.

Posted by: billygoat at December 30, 2011 05:41 AM (6DDE+)

214 It's gotta be raykon the hutt.

Posted by: toby928 at December 30, 2011 05:41 AM (GTbGH)

215

:yawn:. This troll isn't even trying.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at December 30, 2011 05:41 AM (YmPwQ)

216 or a sock

Posted by: toby928 at December 30, 2011 05:42 AM (GTbGH)

217 But this dual language thing is CRAP!!! We are not Montreal, dammit.

Posted by: San Antonio Rose at December 30, 2011 10:08 AM (nOFwj)

SARose...boy am I with you on this score.  and btw, notice that when you (ever) visit Quebec, you'll find the street signs in French...only.  How's that for even?

Posted by: billygoat at December 30, 2011 05:43 AM (6DDE+)

218 We're giving our A-team trolls, some uhhhhhh-ummmm, time off!

Posted by: Preznit Foreth at December 30, 2011 05:44 AM (6DDE+)

219 Well this is pointless.  FRONT's mission now apparently is to insult me and insist on getting the last word.

So here is my final and complete say on the matter.  FRONT as usual will get the last word, in which he will call me a leftard emo moby, or maybe some other choice insults.  Whatevs.

1. I support RKBA.  I don't own a gun.  I don't really want to own a gun.  I don't understand gun worship, which I define as owning a small arsenal of guns in some idiotic belief that it will hold off the combined might of the US Armed Forces should the day of tyranny finally arrive.  I am not about to stop you from owning your little arsenal if you wish though.  Go right ahead if it makes you feel happy.  I don't care.  But don't ask me to endorse the propriety of such a move, because I won't.  I will just laugh at you as some paranoid nutbar.

2. Anyone who plausibly compares Obama to any mass-murdering dictator is an idiot.  Plain and simple.  What's more, you only confirm the MSM stereotype about us that we are crazed lunatics who have nothing but irrational hate about Obama.  Because, let me tell you, believing in the Obama = Pol Pot hypothesis is pretty damn irrational.

3. There are all types of conservatives on this planet.  Some conservatives, such as FRONT here, believe that there is only one true type of conservative: the kind that owns lots of guns, believes "Obama is Pol Pot without the opportunity", doesn't care one whit about what others think about them, and doesn't cry in public.  Everyone else is a "leftard emo pussy", or "the enemy within", or something.  That is a machismo stereotype that has pretty much no basis in fact.

4. I don't claim to be a perfect person and yes I do have issues.  And I'm pretty sure FRONT has issues too, starting with juuuuust a touch of paranoia.  The only difference between FRONT and me in this regard is that I have actually discussed my issues here, while FRONT apparently buries them deep down in his psyche.  Apparently "real men" (and of course, "real men" = conservative) never talk about their issues, they just go and take out their rage by getting into bar fights, or something.

5.  It is the height of assholery to use someone's personal problems against them as a weapon in some political argument.  You, FRONT, win the World's Biggest Dick Award.

Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 05:46 AM (s7mIC)

220

The only negative about this is that we can't defeat them and they can throw in an unknown with no record who will talk the moderate game and then go hard left.

The key for me was Barney Frank.  It must have KILLED him to not stand for re-election.

Posted by: AmishDude at December 30, 2011 10:21 AM (73tyQ)

 

Extrapolating this same point, I can envision Obama coming to the realization that he’s going to lose in epic, Carteresque proportions about 30 days before the democrat convention.  He would have the option at that point to take 400 to 500 million in campaign funds and decide to keep them for a run at some later date.  Dems would then toss Hillary into the spot to push the reset button on the election and try to energize the base.

Posted by: jwest at December 30, 2011 05:50 AM (8moZm)

221 Gawd, I feel like shit today but have to be in the office.  It feels like someone is sticking icepicks in my sinuses.
 Shit.

Posted by: mpfs at December 30, 2011 05:52 AM (iYbLN)

222 I haven't even come near to processing for her, because I was the "strong" one for the rest of the family. Now they have moved on and I still have to get over it.

Alright, that's ringing bells. It happened to me when my stepfather died and I put my grief away for later to help my mother and brother. When later came around I had trouble getting the door open, still do five years later. But the oddest thing helps sometimes, a tool he used, or seeing a goldfinch and remembering how he used to point them out.

Posted by: SCOAMF at December 30, 2011 05:53 AM (joSBv)

223 Actually, RHb9m, the Geneva Conventions (plural) explicitly do not apply to non-uniformed soldiers.  They are to protect uniformed soldiers of nation-states.

But you don't care. You're a troll. In fact, most of these people who rail about "torture" and "Geneva Conventions" have no idea what they're talking about.

Also, Obama likes killing people with drones.  So much better, right?

Posted by: AmishDude at December 30, 2011 05:53 AM (73tyQ)

224 Posted by: SCOAMF at December 30, 2011 10:53 AM (joSBv)

Embarrassing sock fail!!

Posted by: Retread at December 30, 2011 05:55 AM (joSBv)

225 1) As to whether conservatives/libertarians want anarchy: Well, compared to how great things are going now, it's getting real close to the point of "and that's a bad thing, how?"

2) I keep saying to all you who think the issue of needing any Republican, no matter what, because of the judges: If any part of Obamacare is kept in place, it doesn't matter who the judges are--the machinery of total control of every aspect of your life has been put in place, a conservative judge would be a mere hiccup as it revs up to full speed.
Romney is not--repeat: IS NOT--the guy to dismantle and remove all parts of Obamacare. He will, at best, put the machinery of government on idle. Most likely, he'll just turn it down a click. If Romney is the nominee, and should happen to get elected, just hope you're one of the lucky ones that won't live long enough to see another Democrat administration.

Shorter: I don't care who a President Romney would appoint as judge. I do know that if he fails to do anything less than destroy Obamacare root and limb, he will leave just enough in place for the next Democrat to grind us under--and no judge will be able to stop that by that point.

There is really only one guy who we have any reason to believe would cut the size of government.

 . . . . and yet now, some are looking at Santorum . . . .

Posted by: Jimmuy at December 30, 2011 05:58 AM (hh/BN)

226 225 - Thanks for letting me know that SCOAMF. It sounds stupid but you get thinking you are the only one to have this happen, ya know?? Okay enough of this for today, it is not a processing grief time (sniff, dries tears). Gotta take down that Christmas tree and all the other decorations. Bah Humbug!

Posted by: San Antonio Rose at December 30, 2011 06:00 AM (nOFwj)

227 Aunt Cranky, Sorry to hear about your loss. A good friend of mine had a son commit suicide. I don't know how he got through it, but I realized how hard it is for the survivors. It hurts everybody left behind, and it is so unfair to put them through that. Although the people on here are not able to do it, please realize that we would all hug you to get you through this day. Be strong, as even though it has been 8years, you will get through this.

Posted by: Chilling the most for perry at December 30, 2011 06:01 AM (6IV8T)

228 Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 10:46 AM (s7mIC) What, are you Olbermann's mini-me, now? You are extremely comfortable with the language of the left. You speak the language of my enemies. You use their faulty arguments. WTF does that make you?

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 30, 2011 06:13 AM (p7SSh)

229 Chemjeff in your dispute with FRONT you should try to avoid insulting other people who also enjoy keeping their own little arsenal. (looks around lovingly at his collection of bullet machines)

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at December 30, 2011 06:14 AM (BsXKJ)

230 And for the record, I look at all my golf equipment the same way.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at December 30, 2011 06:17 AM (BsXKJ)

231 The mere thought that Obama might have some dictator-ish tendencies is enough to scare off the mushy middle.

Posted by: Trumka at December 30, 2011 06:18 AM (YmPwQ)

232 Ya'll realize that with the tech available NOW we're only this || far from SKY NET?


Posted by: Vote for Me. I'm a Millionaire at December 30, 2011 06:19 AM (xqpQL)

233

#191, #197 - Look troll scum go back to your stupid asshole where you came from. If you cant at least put forth some type of reasonable propaganda go back to your college freshman english class and review your notes for writing.

DITTO! Leave chemjeff alone.  For months, I've been reading his posts, and I see him as a smart, serious, curious guy.  His scientific brain is just trying to make sense of the mess in this country.  He asks good questions, and is in the midst trying to solidify a lot of open questions.  In the meantime, he is kind and thoughtful!

Posted by: abandon at December 30, 2011 06:19 AM (Q/K83)

234 Killadelphia story on Drudge:  My calculator says the murder rate in the nearest small town this year is 50% higher.  Hopefully the 6 murders in 2011 are something we won't see again for a very long time.

Posted by: Bob Saget at December 30, 2011 06:21 AM (SDkq3)

235 Chemjeff in your dispute with FRONT you should try to avoid insulting other people who also enjoy keeping their own little arsenal. (looks around lovingly at his collection of bullet machines) I know you are kidding, but I am not threatening anyone here. We are getting the same lefty-style arguments over and over and over again: Any conservative not getting in line behind Romney at this stage is a bigot. We're bigots because he's LDS. We're bigots because he's from the northeast. We're bigots because southerners stick together. Anyone claiming to be a conservative willing to make that argument is an ideological traitor.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 30, 2011 06:21 AM (p7SSh)

236 176-

Posted by: San Antonio Rose at December 30, 2011 10:08 AM (nOFwj)

+1000

Get's my blood boiling every time I open a new appliance box!

Posted by: abandon at December 30, 2011 06:22 AM (Q/K83)

237 Except that it is not conservative to attempt to legislate Personal Responsibility (since responsibility cannot be legislated).  The actual Conservative Answer (which happens also to be the libertarian answer) is to stop forcing Doctors and Hospitals to treat everyone regardless of ability to pay. THIS! AC sorry about your loss. A loved one's suicide is a hard thing to work through especially if no one will talk about it. Morning All

Posted by: MountainTurtle at December 30, 2011 06:26 AM (bt7IX)

238 Friends, friends.  Let's not bicker and argue about 'o killed 'o.

Posted by: toby928 at December 30, 2011 06:29 AM (GTbGH)

239 DITTO! Leave chemjeff alone. For months, I've been reading his posts, and I see him as a smart, serious, curious guy. His scientific brain is just trying to make sense of the mess in this country. He asks good questions, and is in the midst trying to solidify a lot of open questions. In the meantime, he is kind and thoughtful! Bullshit. The emo git has no idea how to reason. He is a sympathy vampire. He sucks at life, so he trolls this place with his sad sack problems to get attention and take advantage of empathetic people. I'm perfectly fine with this as it was none of my damned business until he started with the southern bigotry shit yesterday. I would never have brought his problems into it except that this person whose ongoing sympathy-trolling shtick is whining about how he has no clue about what makes people tick is perfectly fine with authoritative pronouncements of what other people will think and what makes a person a tyrant.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 30, 2011 06:30 AM (p7SSh)

240 Re: Ingles and Spanish.

This is strictly PR. It's meant to say: "mis hermanos, somos tus amigos. (my brothers, we are your friends).

In other words it's pandering (for politicians and government bureaucracies or marketing (for companies and liberals).

Posted by: Vote for Me. I'm a Millionaire at December 30, 2011 06:31 AM (xqpQL)

241 FRONT I've never made the arguments you listed. The only thing you get on this site over and over again ,well at least 95%, is Romney hate. Personally I don't care but to hear the whining when someone happens to defend Romney is what I think is emo. And no I'm not kidding about my not so small arsenal.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at December 30, 2011 06:33 AM (BsXKJ)

242 Personally I don't care but to hear the whining when someone happens to defend Romney is what I think is emo. I am sorry--I responded to you, but I was not accusing you of making these arguments. I see that there is a lot of Romney hate here. I am not happy with the "mandate is conservative" idea, but I will not tear him down lest he become the nominee. And, I will have no problem voting for him in the genera. I don't much care for the "electability" arguments, either, but they don't torque me like the bigotry/pop psychology bullshit do. Getting the pop psychology bullshit from a self-diagnosed emo git who spends half his life whining about not understanding people is simply in-fucking-tolerable.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 30, 2011 06:43 AM (p7SSh)

243 (#245 I am sorry--I responded to you, but I was not accusing you of making these arguments. ) Nor I you (whining). Just making a general observation.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at December 30, 2011 06:59 AM (BsXKJ)

244 Nor I you (whining). Just making a general observation. Thanks, but no sweat if you had. I can whine with the best of them.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 30, 2011 07:01 AM (p7SSh)

245 Maybe, we need a end of the year "airing of grievances" that AoS is so famous for. Oh, they were brutal!

Posted by: mike at December 30, 2011 07:11 AM (rDDiL)

246 Maybe, we need a end of the year "airing of grievances" that AoS is so famous for. Oh, they were brutal! What the entire world needs is for pussies who kick hornets' nests to not cry when they get stung.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 30, 2011 07:13 AM (p7SSh)

247 Suppose I order a meal at a restaurant, eat the meal, and then leave without paying. Should the state force me to pay the bill? And if so, how is this not "legislating personal responsibility"? Posted by: chemjeff at December 30, 2011 09:56 AM (s7mIC) Not to get involved in the rest of the Mr. Shouty Annual Tear-A-Chunk-Off Festival, but this "argument" is unworthy. Does the Federal Government (or the States) mandate that all individual adults pay into a fund for "potential unpaid lunch bills?" Does that sound even *remotely* Constitutional? CJ seems to have been inoculated into the "European Theory of Conservatism," which is kind of vaguely common in the Northeast and absolutely mandated in Academia. American Conservatives are *NOT* European Conservatives, and some people just will not understand that. American Conservatives have (and have always had) a "libertarian streak" because the functional American version of Libertarianism is a "Bill of Rights Absolutist," which puts them, at least in theory, very close to the core of American Conservatism, which is based on a call back to the same people and documents that the Libertarian tradition holds as sacred. Right now the connection seems thinner because for the last dozen or so years the Libertarian movement has had the "sex and drugs" coalition and the influx of anti-war vague lefties grab the steering wheel and yank it left. Back to the original question, no, CJ, it's not remotely the same thing, and the Individual Mandate isn't remotely a power granted by the Constitution, and therefore it is bizarre if a "Conservative" supports it. Which is why I mentioned the confusion about authoritarian "European" Conservatism as distinct from American Conservatism, which is founded on a respect for limited government.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2011 08:05 AM (bxiXv)

248 Not to get involved in the rest of the Mr. Shouty Annual Tear-A-Chunk-Off Festival, but this "argument" is unworthy. Stop it. You're going to make her cry.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at December 30, 2011 08:34 AM (p7SSh)

249 Now for the Feats of Strength!

Posted by: toby928 at December 30, 2011 08:34 AM (GTbGH)

250 Leaving a restaurant w/o paying the bill is "theft" and that is not a mandate. A mandate would be the government forcing you to enter the restaurant and then telling you what you would eat for supper.

And that day is rapidly approaching.

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 08:36 AM (YdQQY)

251 And that day is rapidly approaching. Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 01:36 PM (YdQQY) Courtesy Bloomberg, Mama Obama, the Must-be-fed-at-all-costs bureaucracy, the Tort Industry, and the Individual Mandate.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at December 30, 2011 09:07 AM (bxiXv)

252 Ah the joys of NYC. Get to sit in a resturaunt and pay $15 for a ham sandwich.  Low sodium of course. 

Posted by: Vic at December 30, 2011 09:26 AM (YdQQY)

253 197 I am RINO. I like to invade other countries. I do not care if I have more enemies and have killed innocent people. I am no longer welcome in many countries due to the stupid Geneva Convention.  Torture..Meh. God Bless USA. Go America.

Oderint Dum Metuant, bitch.

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