January 31, 2011

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1 Not much out there except Egypt today. But F&F this morning has come around to the fact that the Muzzies will likely take over in Egypt.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2011 01:59 AM (M9Ie6)

2 Also,  Midwest is going to be hit by a huge ice/snow storm.  1-2 inches of ice in St. Louis and Indianapolis.  We here in Indy are being told to expect massive power outages.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 31, 2011 02:03 AM (Fo83G)

3 Miss Marple we're to get hammered by it in Cleveland as well although maybe with not as much ice.  February is such a sucky month because we're all tired of the fucking snow and cold by now.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 31, 2011 02:06 AM (olKiY)

4 Captain Hate,  My late father hated February,  too.  He was fond of reminding me that the Indians called it "the Starvation Moon."

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 31, 2011 02:07 AM (Fo83G)

5 February is such a sucky month because we're all tired of the fucking snow and cold by now.

I am thoroughly sick of this Winter and ready for some Spring.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2011 02:07 AM (M9Ie6)

6 I wish Dana Perino would refrain from making too much of a comment about this stuff in Egypt.  I don't think she knew that much about what Bush did foreign policy wise and her comments are giving Obama a little bit of cover.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 31, 2011 02:10 AM (Fo83G)

7 From the side bar story about Newt:

The former Speaker blew through Des Moines last Tuesday for the Renewable Fuels Association summit, and his keynote speech to the ethanol lobby was as pious a tribute to the fuel made from corn and tax dollars as we've ever heard. Mr. Gingrich explained that "the big-city attacks" on ethanol subsidies are really attempts to deny prosperity to rural America, adding that "Obviously big urban newspapers want to kill it because it's working, and you wonder, 'What are their values?'"

Yeah, I guess we see his values. He has really turned into RINO big time. I guess sitting on the couch with Nan wasn't enough to kill him, he has to drive an ethanol boondoggle through his heart as well.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2011 02:10 AM (M9Ie6)

8 Yeah, Vic. This is Exhibit A for why Newt frustrates the hell out of me. He's for small government except for when he's for GIGANTIC government.

If you want a good laugh, go read the other one I just posted. The WSJ is a treasure trove of eco-hilariousness this morning.

Posted by: Andy at January 31, 2011 02:13 AM (5Rurq)

9 Newt is such a worthless fuck.  I really get irritated when people like Laura Ingraham, whom I otherwise like, give that cocksucker a forum without calling him out on witless pandering for votes like that.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 31, 2011 02:15 AM (olKiY)

10 Homicide victim John P. Wheeler III, a former Pentagon official and presidential aide whose body was discovered Dec. 31 in a Wilmington landfill, was beaten to death in an assault, the Delaware medical examiner’s office announced today.

Despite FBI refusal to investigate and official statements that Wheeler had "apparently" gone crazy/senile due to a stroke, choosing to "seek shelter in the dumpster" -- "stroke" meaning literally beaten to death. So much for nuance.

And "former Pentagon official and presidential aide" does not do Wheeler's professional contributions justice.

Posted by: Plateau Plato at January 31, 2011 02:17 AM (H+LJc)

11 Between times of battening down the hatches here -- it's supposed to be a cold motherlover that comes blasting through here in the next 24 hrs. -- I am keeping the hope (the nontradmarked type) alive by filling out order forms for garden seeds and wasting time making garden plot schematics.  This year is a year of much revision of our garden plan...think we're going to tear out more flowers and put in more veggies (the town zoning nazis won't like that as it somehow reduces "curb appeal", but they don't care for us much anyway).

Posted by: unknown jane at January 31, 2011 02:19 AM (5/yRG)

12 Interesting article by Michael Barone at Townhall:

Politics By the Numbers: Good Omens For the GOP in 2012

snip~

Of the 10 Republican senators up for re-election, only two represent states where Democrats won the House vote -- Olympia Snowe of Maine and Scott Brown of Massachusetts. They're both well ahead in local polls.

For the 23 Democrats up for re-election, the picture is different. Eight represent states where the House vote was 53 percent to 65 percent Democratic and where Barack Obama got more than 60 percent in 2008. Count them all as safe.

But 12 represent states where Republicans got a majority of the House vote in 2010. These include big states like Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Virginia, and states like Montana and Nebraska, where Republican House candidates topped 60 percent. Missouri, New Jersey, North Dakota, West Virginia and Wisconsin round out the list.

In another three states -- New Mexico, Washington, Minnesota -- Republicans won between 46 percent and 48 percent of the House popular vote. These were solid Obama states in 2008. They don't look like solid Democratic states now.

The point is that Democratic senators from all or most of these 15 states have a political incentive to reach agreements with Republicans that go a lot further than Obama did at the State of the Union.

Finally, what about the portents for the 2012 presidential race? Well, start off with the fact that Democrats won the House popular vote in only two of the 17 states that do not have Senate elections next cycle. The other 15 went Republican.

http://tinyurl.com/4s6pm9z


Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2011 02:22 AM (VuLos)

13 We're on the lookout for another 20" or so of Global Warming here in the NE this week. I've run out of places to put the stuff.

Posted by: Andy at January 31, 2011 02:23 AM (5Rurq)

14

"Newt wants poor people to starve to death!"

I'm tempted to feed hippies that line in order to protest him, because in a sense the frakker does.  Ethanol is a scam, it doesn't do dick for agriculture (except encourage extreme monoculture practice, which is not really wise) and it drives up food prices...anybody who supports it deserves to get thrown to whatever wolves will feast on the carcass in my book (denounces self for harsh rhetoric).

Posted by: unknown jane at January 31, 2011 02:24 AM (5/yRG)

15 We're on the lookout for another 20" or so of Global Warming here in the NE this week. I've run out of places to put the stuff.

Posted by: Andy at January 31, 2011 07:23 AM (5Rurq)

Wait...what!?  When?  I can't get to my mailbox now.  I heard tomorrow around 3-5".  What's this 20"!?  Where are you Andy?

Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2011 02:26 AM (VuLos)

16 If you want a good laugh, go read the other one I just posted. The WSJ is a treasure trove of eco-hilariousness this morning.

Posted by: Andy at January 31, 2011 07:13 AM (5Rurq)

That guy is deservedly getting hammered in the comments.  The WSJ's lead editorial this morning, "Professor Cornpone", blasts Newt's ethanol begging for votes and what it says about the GOP staying on message about cutting stoopid spending.  Just go the fuck away Newt.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 31, 2011 02:28 AM (olKiY)

17 Hal G. Brown, deputy director of the medical examiner’s office, said he did not know what medications or chemicals, if any, were in Wheeler’s system, ...Brown added that Deputy Chief Medical Examiner Adrienne Sekula-Perlman, who handled Wheeler’s autopsy, met with police and prosecutors today about her conclusions.

As if chemicals are irrelevant because once fallen and disoriented, Wheeler made an easy target to be beaten to death. The deputy director and deputy chief of the Medical Examiner Office met to discuss conclusions. So anticipating trial for the murder, the official examiners all plead ignorance in advance. Brilliant facade otherwise known as CYA or cover-up.

Posted by: Plateau Plato at January 31, 2011 02:29 AM (H+LJc)

18 I wonder what information Wheeler had which would have indicated he needed to be "removed."

I have become so cynical and suspicious of everything,  it depresses me.  I feel like a Kremlin watcher from the late 50's.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 31, 2011 02:35 AM (Fo83G)

19

Miss Marple:

You said this on the ONT:

Ugh. Ugh. Ugh.  I am preparing to be without power.  I can use the gas stove to cook (light it manually).

You can do that?

Several years ago we had to replace our oven. The new one has no pilot light. When you turn it on an electric element gets white hot, after which the gas flows over it and lights.

But the gas won't even flow unless the element heats. So when we lost power for three days I couldn't use the oven.

I thought modern stoves worked the same way. How do you light it manually?

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 31, 2011 02:38 AM (7+pP9)

20 Newt on Fox right after Katrina: "President Bush needs to have a Marshall Plan for the Gulf Coast."

A "Marshall Plan" meant large amounts of federal money.

Newt on Fox 10 months later,  when the graft and waste of money in the federal programs in New Orleans were revealed:  "This is what happens when you have a massive injection of federal money. It should have been handled by the private sector."

He takes whatever is the popular position and gives it a pseudo-conservative spin.  Never forget that one of his most admired presidents is FDR.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 31, 2011 02:39 AM (Fo83G)

21 Ed Anger:  I don't know about ovens.  I have an electric built-in oven and a gas cook top,   which is about 10 years old.

My cook top is electric-start,.  but when the power goes out the gas still flows and I can light it.  I have done it before so I know it can be done.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 31, 2011 02:41 AM (Fo83G)

22 t depends on the type of igniter. If you get one with the piezio (?) electric igniter you can light it w/o power. If it has the "glow" bar you can't.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2011 02:41 AM (M9Ie6)

23 BTW, my MIL has a relatively new gas stove and it works fine w/o power.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2011 02:42 AM (M9Ie6)

24 Zero Hedge reports Egypt is rapidly running out of food.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 31, 2011 02:43 AM (Fo83G)

25 Where are you Andy?

Boston. We've been upgraded from 6" (which I now refer to as a "light dusting") to 10"-15" out where I live (and we always get the high end).

The 20" band is creeping steadily toward me.

Posted by: Andy at January 31, 2011 02:43 AM (5Rurq)

26 P Diddy sued for $1 trillion and accused of causing 9/11 attacks

Posted by: pitythefool at January 31, 2011 02:45 AM (CZbSa)

27

White House Official Cites "Education Problem on Climate"

President Obama’s top science adviser said there’s a need to “educate” GOP climate change skeptics on Capitol Hill as the White House seeks to advance its green energy agenda.

Well, there it is.  We're so stupid we just need re-education from the enlightened intelligentsia who have our best interest at heart.   We members of the unwashed proletariat are not following the dictate of the elitists and they are becoming testy. 

America is beginning to smell a little like Egypt.  No more bullshit and stay out of our lives.

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at January 31, 2011 02:47 AM (ZHsNw)

28 One month ago, tornado, this week, Snowpocalypse. Sheesh.

And I'm still banned.

Posted by: nickless at January 31, 2011 02:51 AM (qdtoY)

29 Capricorn

People say there are no second chances in life, but even as they tighten the straps, you'll be listening for the governor's phone call.

Posted by: Truman North at January 31, 2011 02:52 AM (8ay4x)

30

Newt is a opportunist scam.  I don't understand the fascination with ethanol, except for  the ADM and Monsanto campaign contributions.  From what I have seen, it is a breakeven at best energy scheme (energy to plant, harvest, and process=energy available for sale), it is highly corrosive (actually a feature not a bug since it destroys much of the older equipment that would run for DECADES on straight low octane gasoline), it depends on the weather for its production (and we know how reliable rain, wind, and sun are), and best of all it is a primary FOOD source for much of the world (another feature since this contributes to world wide unrest).

 

At least there won't be as much high fructose sweetener to contribute to the diabetes epidemic.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 31, 2011 02:54 AM (alr7n)

31 Hillary is convening a meeting of all 260 diplomatic envoys in Washington,  today, according to WaPo. 

This is worrisome.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 31, 2011 02:55 AM (Fo83G)

32 Boston. We've been upgraded from 6" (which I now refer to as a "light dusting") to 10"-15" out where I live (and we always get the high end).

The 20" band is creeping steadily toward me.

Posted by: Andy at January 31, 2011 07:43 AM (5Rurq)

Yikes!  I'm in SW CT, so maybe the big stuff is going north of me.

Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2011 02:55 AM (VuLos)

Posted by: Plateau Plato at January 31, 2011 02:55 AM (H+LJc)

34 Newt is a opportunist scam.  I don't understand the fascination with ethanol....

Its easy to understand. Newt needs an early win in Iowa or NH. He hasn't got a chance in SC after sitting on the couch with Nan.

Too bad for him Romney probably has Iowa and NH sewed up. This is why I hate the Republican primary rules.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2011 02:56 AM (M9Ie6)

35
Hillary is convening a meeting of all 260 diplomatic envoys in Washington,  today, according to WaPo. 

This is worrisome.

Posted by: Miss Marple at January 31, 2011 07:55 AM (Fo83G)

Ah yes, the Cankles Conference!


Posted by: Fish the Impaler at January 31, 2011 02:57 AM (ZHsNw)

36  #3.  "February is such a sucky month...."    Come on, it's Black History Month.  What could be more fun than Black History Month?

Posted by: Case at January 31, 2011 03:00 AM (s07P2)

37

Resolved:

As Jimmy Carter Lost Iran, So Will Barack Obama Lose Egypt

 

discuss

Posted by: Jones at January 31, 2011 03:05 AM (b+yWd)

38 Curfew in Egypt is to start an hour earlier today at 3pm.  (Not that the protesters have bothered with any of the curfews.)

Posted by: Annabelle at January 31, 2011 03:05 AM (4kxCX)

39 Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2011 07:56 AM (M9Ie6) Sorry the sarcasm was not bolded. Repub primaries are rigged to ensure as much as possible that the RIGHT candidate gets selected (from the very short list approved by the NE RINO ruling class). It just wouldn't do for the population to have too much input or choice. I said two years ago that the Tea Party patriot types needed to aggressively take over public offices and get active in politics at all levels if they were to break the cycle of the elites. I am very afraid that it is already too late. The best we can hope for is a benevolent dictator selected for us by the ruling class (and I think Barry is the type to hold a grudge which makes 2012 even more critical).

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 31, 2011 03:05 AM (alr7n)

40 Too bad for him Romney probably has Iowa and NH sewed up. This is why I hate the Republican primary rules.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2011 07:56 AM (M9Ie6)

For the eleventy billionth time, somebody needs to tell Iowa to go fuck itself.  I don't give a tinker's damn if it's in their HeeHaw state constitution that they get to go first; none of the other states should be bound by that cowshit.  And I say that having a few inlaws who I like in the state.  Go to the back of the line.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 31, 2011 03:06 AM (olKiY)

41

36  #3.  "February is such a sucky month...."    Come on, it's Black History Month.  What could be more fun than Black History Month?

Posted by: Case at January 31, 2011 08:00 AM (s07P2)

Piles.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 31, 2011 03:07 AM (7+pP9)

42 too bad we could hold all "57" state primaries on the SAME day.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 31, 2011 03:09 AM (eOXTH)

43 36 #3. "February is such a sucky month...." Come on, it's Black History Month. What could be more fun than Black History Month? Posted by: Case at January 31, 2011 08:00 AM (s07P2) Piles. Extreme nausea.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 31, 2011 03:09 AM (alr7n)

44 But boy I can hardly wait for White History Month--that should be an eye opener. I was going to say that Islamic history month would be interesting until I realized that there isn't any Islamic history. (I know NASA is trying to rewrite the history books to fix that, but...)

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 31, 2011 03:12 AM (alr7n)

45 I don't give a tinker's damn if it's in their HeeHaw state constitution that they get to go first; none of the other states should be bound by that cowshit.

The problem is as Hrothgar stated above. The NE Rockefeller Republicans want to give the RINOs a head start with allowing two Blue States to go first.

The one thing they did that will help somewhat was make the first 3 a proportional election instead of winner take all. That will keep from having another early McCain taking all with only 30% of the vote.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2011 03:12 AM (M9Ie6)

46 Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez on Sunday said that the fire in the arms depot in central Venezuela, which killed one people and wounded some 40 others, was "strange."

According to Chavez, the fire, which began on Sunday at 4:00 a.m. local time (0830 GMT)in Maracay city, Aragua state, was suspicious as it occurred during a night in a high and large storage without electrical system and where nobody should be there at that time.


However, "everything is possible, so we will launch a scientific investigation and will get the pertinent conclusions," he said.
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Oh -- and Chrysler reported losing $199 million last quarter.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 31, 2011 03:13 AM (7+pP9)

47 Posted by: Ed Anger at January 31, 2011 08:13 AM (7+pP9) Oh -- and Chrysler reported losing $199 million last quarter OF YOUR MONEY. FIFY

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 31, 2011 03:15 AM (alr7n)

48 Good find on those Holdren comments, Fish. I put a link in the sidebar.

Every article on the Internet referencing that douchebag should contain a link to this FrontPage mag. piece.

Posted by: Andy at January 31, 2011 03:17 AM (5Rurq)

49

Welcome, morons, to Monday.

And, yes, we are on a high speed rail line.  Trust me on this.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 03:19 AM (B+qrE)

50 I see that Drudge has the line that "anger is starting to focus on Israel and USA". Thanks Code Pink and international communists, but I repeat myself.

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 03:20 AM (0Hp4r)

51 I have this nagging feeling that republicans will run gov. Huckleberry.

Posted by: Case at January 31, 2011 03:20 AM (0K+Kw)

52 DC is going to get ice. Ice sucks. It's bad for Michelle's garden and her walking over to the farmer's market for tuscan kale.

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 03:22 AM (0Hp4r)

53

tuscan kale

Sounds like an Iowahawk pseudonym.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 03:23 AM (B+qrE)

54

As good a reason as any to support Mubarak is that Geraldo Rivera has come down on the side of the revolutionaries, saying, also, that Jimmy Carter is the foremost authority on Islamic radicals, and that a takeover of Egypt's government by the Muslim Brotherhood might not necessarily be a bad thing. Now, that that ditz, Rick Sanchez,  is gone, there's an opening for that other ditz, Geraldo Rivera,  at CNN.

Posted by: Brian at January 31, 2011 03:23 AM (sYrWB)

55 Latest is that John Huntsman is going to resign as china ambassador and run for president.

This showed up this morning in the Daily Caller and Politico.


Posted by: Miss Marple at January 31, 2011 03:23 AM (Fo83G)

56
Woman Who Spied On Joe The Plumber Gets Six Figure County Job

It was back in December 2008 when Helen Jones-Kelley resigned her post at State Social Services Director over using state computers to check the records of Samuel Wurzelbacher of Toledo, better known as 'Joe the Plumber.'

An investigation revealed the activity, which says she improperly obtained personal information on Wurzelbacher.

[ . . . ]

Jones-Kelley was named Montgomery County's new head of the Alcohol, Drug Addiction and Mental Health Services Board.

This will not be the first time Jones-Kelley has worked for the county.

[ . . . ]

Her salary, reported to be $145,000, has left some unhappy that that much money is being spent on someone after such an investigation.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 31, 2011 03:24 AM (7+pP9)

57

Latest is that John Huntsman is going to resign as china ambassador and run for president.

THIS.

THIS.

THIS.

And I thought that was why he took the China gig, to give himself some foreign policy experience.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 03:26 AM (B+qrE)

58

tuscan kale

Sounds like an Iowahawk pseudonym.

Yet it is all too real.

http://tinyurl.com/4h4mxu3

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 03:26 AM (0Hp4r)

59

"Her salary, reported to be $145,000, has left some unhappy that that much money is being spent on someone after such an investigation."

It's a union thang.

Posted by: Case at January 31, 2011 03:27 AM (0K+Kw)

60 Next to the riots and mayhem today, what's the loss of one man who, physically/mentally impaired by personal assault, upon release walked hooded into a high crime neighborhood. Obama loses Egypt (having lost Lebanon and Turkey) and the timing's "right" to release the obvious news that before he died, John Wheeler was beaten, and oh, btw, beaten to death. 

To date, the Wilmington Delaware Police and City Government refused to take primary responsibility for investigating Wheeler's death, deferring to the FBI that was involved but refused to officially acknowledge having the lead in the murder investigation (all of those investigating knew Wheeler's dead body was severely beaten, hence murder). So whatever investigation over this entire month was mandated to a snail's pace, and all those agencies "responsible" to investigate deferring to the other, refusing to accept taking the lead. The FBI has been officially involved in the investigation, but conveniently not publicly acknowledging taking the "lead". And the American public, "educated" via Hollywood movie scripts, is supposed to believe that the FBI maintained "hands off" by refusing the lead during investigation all along even while the Wilmington Police publicly deferred to the FBI. Same breed of writers are spreading it thick. But if the convoluted "news" fabricated MSM stories were movie scripts, they would flop because they fail to convince even the simplistic minds that pay money to see lousy movies just so to badmouth it in review.

Today, a month late, the Wilmington Police finally accept responsibility for the lead investigation.

Their main witness is the cab driver who among others had seen Wheeler at the train station but denied knowing who Wheeler was, and certainly denied ever giving Wheeler the cab ride in question from the train station. And the only "evidence" the FBI/police had on him was the cabbie phone number inserted in Wheeler's Blackberry. The cabbie's record is absolutely clean, but the police take him in for a long and hard questioning session while they ransack his home and question his wife. The cabbie's concern is that he's being fingered to take the fall for something he had nothing to do with. And as a matter of fact, those in possession of the Blackberry had the obvious access to enter any number they wanted into it. It was NOT found in the cab, no word how it was located, and yet in the FBI/police possession. Where from? Wheeler didn't have it when he asked a law office for train fare, and it was NOT amongst articles that the police admitted were found on or with Wheeler's dead body in the dump.  On Jan. 8th, the cabbie said he was concerned by the police questioning and search. "It looks like they want to pin me into something," Scott said. "I'm not a troublemaker. I don't get into trouble." Suddenly, after the law enforcement investigative browbeating and threats to prosecute the cabbie (FBI complicit), the cabbie changes his mind later to identify Wheeler as a passenger given a lift en route to death as things played out. 


Posted by: Plateau Plato at January 31, 2011 03:28 AM (H+LJc)

61

Exxon just beat earnings estimates.

Cue cries of outrage.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 03:30 AM (B+qrE)

62 That Holdren piece got Eddiebear's dander up this morning.

Posted by: Andy at January 31, 2011 03:31 AM (5Rurq)

63 Ice pellets and 22 mph NNW winds are en route to arrive tomorrow following today's high reaching mid-70 degrees. In Texas, if you don't like the weather, stick around. It'll change.

Posted by: Plateau Plato at January 31, 2011 03:34 AM (H+LJc)

64 The White House is concerned that there isn't enough liberal mythology being taught in schools today? That's like Grand Moff Tarkin being concerned that Alderaan isn't rubbly enough.

Posted by: CrustyB at January 31, 2011 03:38 AM (qzgbP)

65 57

Latest is that John Huntsman is going to resign as china ambassador and run for president.

THIS.

THIS.

THIS.

And I thought that was why he took the China gig, to give himself some foreign policy experience.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 08:26 AM (B+qrE)

My lib friend said that he respects Huntsman.  That worries me.

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 03:38 AM (MuGJn)

66

The White House is concerned that there isn't enough liberal mythology being taught in schools today?

Creationism has better science behind it than AGW.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 03:42 AM (B+qrE)

67 if romney can't be elected because he's a mormon...how will huntsman be elected?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 31, 2011 03:42 AM (eOXTH)

68 Heard Boehner this morning licking Obama's balls while he was telling us what a great job the O is doing with Egypt. Ugh.

Posted by: Barbarian at January 31, 2011 03:43 AM (EL+OC)

69 67 if romney can't be elected because he's a mormon...how will huntsman be elected?

Doesn't have Obamacare hanging around his neck.  Of course, he actually WORKED for Obama.  I don't know that he can win the primaries, but we will see.

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 03:44 AM (MuGJn)

70

if romney can't be elected because he's a mormon...how will huntsman be elected?

I simply do not believe this is as big an issue as people seem to think.

If the economy is still stalled next year (good bet), inflation has taken hold (even better bet) and the international scene is going sideways (best bet), I do not believe one can credibly make religion an issue.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 03:45 AM (B+qrE)

71 68 Heard Boehner this morning licking Obama's balls while he was telling us what a great job the O is doing with Egypt. Ugh.

Posted by: Barbarian at January 31, 2011 08:43 AM (EL+OC)

I don't care what he sounds like as long as the Obama agenda comes to a screeching halt.  THAT is what he has to prove to me.

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 03:46 AM (MuGJn)

72 circa i agree.....i should have used a sarc tag......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 31, 2011 03:46 AM (eOXTH)

73 @ Circa:

I agree.  Remember how many people would "never" vote for a black man and how that worked out.

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 03:47 AM (MuGJn)

74

My lib friend said that he respects Huntsman.  That worries me.

This Daily Caller article notes that he said Repubicans need to soften their stance on climate change and gay marriage.

Posted by: Annabelle at January 31, 2011 03:47 AM (4kxCX)

75 This Daily Caller article notes that he said Repubicans need to soften their stance on climate change and gay marriage.

Posted by: Annabelle at January 31, 2011 08:47 AM (4kxCX)

Why did images of John McCain suddenly flash across my eyes?

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 03:49 AM (MuGJn)

76

This Daily Caller article notes that he said Repubicans need to soften their stance on climate change and gay marriage.

Is Huntsman gay? Or is the daily caller photo not representative?

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 03:51 AM (0Hp4r)

77

Repubicans need to soften their stance on climate change

If true, FAIL, right off the bat.  I swear, it's like a virus.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 03:51 AM (B+qrE)

78 Not gay, just Mormon   Very soft spoken.  Well respected by the Chinese, though, so that is something.

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 03:53 AM (MuGJn)

79

Why did images of John McCain suddenly flash across my eyes?

If you believe Wikipedia, McCain has mentioned his name as a potential 2012 candidate. That's a red flag for me.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 31, 2011 03:54 AM (JxMoP)

80

Link from Brietbart twitter feed:

For all the lack of clarity on where the Obama administration stands, one thing is becoming more and more clear: Signs are beginning to point more toward the likelihood that President Obama’s State Department, unions, as well as Left-leaning media corporations are more directly involved in helping to ignite the Mid-East turmoil than they are publicly admitting.

http://tinyurl.com/4dlpu8b

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 03:54 AM (0Hp4r)

81 well if huntsman is a true hardcore fiscal conservative...does it really matter what he is socially? because his fiscal conservatism would preclude him from backing social causes with money....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 31, 2011 03:56 AM (eOXTH)

82 Anyone catch Chuck 'The Douche' Schumer saying we have three branches of government, the House, the Senate and the President?

What a retard.

Posted by: Mortis at January 31, 2011 03:57 AM (I8CPt)

83

Happy end of January, folks.

The decorations will now start going up all over the place for the next big holiday...yep, green, purple and gold everywhere you turn...

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 31, 2011 03:58 AM (XdlcF)

84 Anyone catch Chuck 'The Douche' Schumer saying we have three branches of government, the House, the Senate and the President?

Mental exercise:  If Palin had said it.....

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 03:58 AM (B+qrE)

85 82 well if huntsman is a true hardcore fiscal conservative...does it really matter what he is socially? because his fiscal conservatism would preclude him from backing social causes with money....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 31, 2011 08:56 AM (eOXTH)

Climate change is a fiscal sinkhole, though.  I will forgive 100% of social issues this election cycle, but I don't like anyone who is not hardcore fiscally responsible (looking at you, Newt and *uckabee)

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 03:59 AM (MuGJn)

86 For all the lack of clarity on where the Obama administration stands, one thing is becoming more and more clear: Signs are beginning to point more toward the likelihood that President Obama’s State Department, unions, as well as Left-leaning media corporations are more directly involved in helping to ignite the Mid-East turmoil than they are publicly admitting. http://tinyurl.com/4dlpu8b Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 08:54 AM (0Hp4r) Yes I believe that is true. I don't think that it is just a coincidence that Iran Fell under Carter and Egypt, Tunisia, Lebanon, and probably Jordan will fall under Obama.

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 04:00 AM (0GFWk)

87 Since Denver Metro is due for an arctic blast with snow and wind chill values in the -20s, I am not inclined to soften my stance on so-called 'climate change' at this time.

Posted by: Jones at January 31, 2011 04:00 AM (b+yWd)

88 If Palin had said it, it would be the lead on every channel.

Posted by: Mortis at January 31, 2011 04:00 AM (I8CPt)

89

well if huntsman is a true hardcore fiscal conservative...does it really matter what he is socially? because his fiscal conservatism would preclude him from backing social causes with money....

...just needed repeating...

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 31, 2011 04:00 AM (XdlcF)

90 az spring training 1st game is ........FEB 25 ! the countdown begins!

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 31, 2011 04:01 AM (eOXTH)

91

Mental exercise:  If Palin had said it.....

Did you know that her climate of hate-y-ness caused his mis-speaking?? He was confused because of her fake boobs saying 1773!!11!

Posted by: MFM at January 31, 2011 04:03 AM (XdlcF)

92 The entire article "Workers of the World Unite" from the Brietbart link is quite extraordinary. Of course, the face of restraint put out to and bought by the MSM is bullshit. When all the communist pukes of the world are balls to the wall pro-revolution you know it's for ill. They didn't care about Iran but want either the muslim statists or the commies to take over the rest of the region. This fucks up our economy and pushes us into a potential "food revolution" too. Obama gets to spread the wealth around and achieve his original far lefty goals. Everybody sits around with their thumbs in their butts thinking it's just muzzies acting up again.

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 04:04 AM (0Hp4r)

93 Romney got 15% of the vote in the 2008 SC primary which was just under teh Fred. Of course McCain won it all though.

Romney will not do good in SC because he is a NE liberal, not because he is a Mormon. What scares me is Huck got right at 30% last time on his religious credentials. I am hoping that the baptists have wised up now and know him for what he is.

I have a feeling that Palin is going to get the majority of the vote this time if she runs.  When she endorsed Haley, Haley moved from last place to first place in the primary for governor.

But, as I said earlier, this will be proportional voting which will be bad for Palin. Iowa should be interesting though. Michelle Bauchman was born there but caucuses are funny. They can be stampeded if a candidate has a strong organzation. That is how Obama beat Hillary. That and the "super delegates".

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2011 04:05 AM (M9Ie6)

94

Morning, all!  Another day, another dollar.

So, we're going to get slammed with another storm here in the northeast, the worst of it scheduled to arrive Wednesday here in NH.  To everyone in the midwest and the rest of the northeast, stock up, drive safe, and keep warm!  Especially everyone who's slated to get "destructive ice" in addition to snow, sleet, and rain. I'm lucky enough to be north of the ice belt, but deep in the thick of the heavy snow. 

Wake me when it's spring.

Posted by: MWR at January 31, 2011 04:05 AM (4df7R)

95

That Holdren piece got Eddiebear's dander up this morning.

No, really? I couldn't tell.

 flying fuckzebra of freedom


 

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 31, 2011 04:05 AM (XdlcF)

96

Considering the history of the Middle East, I'm wondering what the new face of Suck is going to look like. I'm not buying the fucking Egyptian patriots fighting for freedom bullshit. You don't start a freedom revolution by freeing the criminals and robbing your national treasures from your museums.

Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2011 04:05 AM (OlN4e)

97 You don't start a freedom revolution by freeing the criminals and robbing your national treasures from your museums. Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2011 09:05 AM (OlN4e) Well apparently amongst the Arabs you do?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 04:07 AM (0GFWk)

98 Stupid scrunt on Fox just said that if the Suez canal is blocked oil shipments will have to go "all the way around Egypt."

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 31, 2011 04:08 AM (7+pP9)

99 26 P Diddy sued for $1 trillion and accused of causing 9/11 attacks

Did he slap Curtis as well?

Posted by: nickless at January 31, 2011 04:10 AM (qdtoY)

100 Stupid scrunt on Fox just said that if the Suez canal is blocked oil shipments will have to go "all the way around Egypt."

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 31, 2011 09:08 AM (7+pP9)

That had to be Gretchen, right?

Posted by: Tami at January 31, 2011 04:10 AM (VuLos)

101

 You don't start a freedom revolution by freeing the criminals and robbing your national treasures from your museums.

Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2011 09:05 AM (OlN4e)
Well apparently amongst the Arabs you do?

You also don't have people breaking into other people's homes. They are trying to defend their own property. Oh No! Not property!! Prisoners? Looting? Destroying national treasures? Not so much democracy lovers. Picture SEIU on a rampage.

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 04:12 AM (0Hp4r)

102

That had to be Gretchen, right?

No, the blonde on the next show.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 31, 2011 04:12 AM (7+pP9)

103 We've already got freezing mist here in KC, but the fun really starts Tuesday.

Posted by: HH at January 31, 2011 04:13 AM (6oDXl)

104 Anyone catch Chuck 'The Douche' Schumer saying we have three branches of government, the House, the Senate and the President?

What a retard.

Posted by: Mortis at January 31, 2011 08:57 AM (I8CPt)

That oily fuck doesn't care that he sounds like an imbecile; only that his smarmy face is in front of the camera.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 31, 2011 04:16 AM (olKiY)

105 The printed signs here, the signs in english there. Communist liberation movement financed by the usual suspects.

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 04:16 AM (0Hp4r)

106 I could dream up a whole theme park of nasty, nasty things I would like to do with Gretchen.....

Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2011 04:16 AM (OlN4e)

107

I'd like to say that the National Education Association really is a bunch of idiots.  We all knew this anyway, but it helps when they reinforce it for everyone so we don't forget.  The NH branch of the NEA has decided to cancel their annual participation in Read Across America, which usually takes place at the NH State House, because the Republican-controlled State legislature recently repealed an also-recent ban on guns in the building.  The NEA-NH has decided that this repeal poses a potential threat to the fourth graders that take part in Read Across America.  Apparently they think that reading Dr. Seuss with a bunch of fourth graders will cause some gun-happy lunatic (probably a Republican with Tea Party leanings) to fly off the handle and commit mass murder.

Right.

The ban that was repealed, btw, was a freaking year old.  Apparently all the years they held Read Across America at the State House without any ban in place and with no fears for the childrens' safety were just flukes.  THIS year, with all that hateful Tea Party vitriol(tm) in the air, there will be blood.

To quote the NFL guys on ESPN, "Come on, man!"

Posted by: MWR at January 31, 2011 04:16 AM (4df7R)

108

 The NEA-NH has decided that this repeal poses a potential threat to the fourth graders that take part in Read Across America.

I'm going to guess that they actually don't care about the kids, but are trying to make a political stance.

Posted by: Mama AJ, waaaay out on a limb at January 31, 2011 04:20 AM (XdlcF)

109

109  Fluttering outrage and concern(!) -- it's the new chic.

They out-puritan the Puritans, these lefties do.

 

...and tuscan kale is delicious

Posted by: unknown jane at January 31, 2011 04:21 AM (5/yRG)

110 White House official cites ‘education problem’ on climate

 By Ben Geman - 01/30/11 04:16 PM ET President Obama’s top science adviser said there’s a need to “educate” GOP climate change skeptics on Capitol Hill as the White House seeks to advance its green energy agenda.“It is an education problem. I think we have to educate them,” said John Holdren, who heads the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, in an interview broadcast Sunday.

Posted by: James Hansen at January 31, 2011 04:23 AM (tvs2p)

111 I"m glad Holden and Gingrich are reminding us that we're all ignorant when it comes to AGW. We need these types in leadership.

Posted by: Barbarian at January 31, 2011 04:24 AM (EL+OC)

112 hi all
oh, a great start to the week!
snow coming to the midwest, and another RINO throwing his hat into the ring! yay!
gee, maybe I'll get some healthful exercise when my car breaks down!  let's hope so!  yay yay yay!

ARRRGGGHHHH

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2011 04:25 AM (pqsMB)

113 well if huntsman is a true hardcore fiscal conservative...does it really matter what he is socially? because his fiscal conservatism would preclude him from backing social causes with money....

Because people like that historically *do* end up backing social causes with your tax money once they get into power.  After all, they don't want the MFM calling them uncaring about biracial lesbian amputees.


O/T bonus: Insty reports the GOP's first legislative priority is forcing ISPs to spy on you (including all web sites you visit) for later government review.

Posted by: Ian S. at January 31, 2011 04:26 AM (cd11S)

114 I think Holgren meant reeducate, not educate.

Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2011 04:26 AM (OlN4e)

115 107 The printed signs here, the signs in english there. Communist liberation movement financed by the usual suspects. Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 09:16 AM (0Hp4r) And I thought I was the only one that found this interesting! Guess the I is SEIU is really for International

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 31, 2011 04:26 AM (alr7n)

116 106 Anyone catch Chuck 'The Douche' Schumer saying we have three branches of government, the House, the Senate and the President?

What a retard.

Posted by: Mortis at January 31, 2011 08:57 AM (I8CPt)

...I hate them. I hate them SO MUCH.  How do such stupid people make it past infancy? 

Posted by: MWR at January 31, 2011 04:28 AM (4df7R)

117 Yes the progs have that whole re-education thing down pretty well. They will borrow Chinese expertise.

Posted by: Hrothgar at January 31, 2011 04:28 AM (alr7n)

118

I'm going to guess that they actually don't care about the kids, but are trying to make a political stance.

Posted by: Mama AJ, waaaay out on a limb at January 31, 2011 09:20 AM (XdlcF)

Yes.  Yes, I believe you're right.  I am SHOCKED, I tell you.  SHOCKED.

Posted by: MWR at January 31, 2011 04:29 AM (4df7R)

119

Hello from Australia

More dreadful weather coming to the recently flooded Queensland - Cyclone Yasi is on it's wayhttp://http://tiny.cc/0naxj

Watching the cyclone's path on radar is just mesmerising - there are a lot of people in that area of Far North Queensland, including some very dear friends of ours - it's also an area of stunning beauty with the Great Barrier Reef, lots of lovely island tourist resorts and lovely towns

I'm certainly not going to whinge about the hot weather and high humidity we're experiencing here in Sydney - I'll just be very thankful that we're too far south for cyclones and hope and pray the darn thing loses some steam before it hits the coast

Posted by: Aussie at January 31, 2011 04:29 AM (QErie)

120 Good morning, morons/ettes! 

I'm determined to start off the week in a good mood.  Let's see how long that lasts! 


Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 04:30 AM (pW2o8)

121 robbing your national treasures from your museums.

That right there was when I officially gave up any hope that this "revolution" would accomplish anything positive in Egypt.  God bless the few brave souls who actually stepped up to STOP the looting of the National Museum.  They're lucky they weren't killed for standing in the way of the proletariat's righteous uprising.

Posted by: MWR at January 31, 2011 04:31 AM (4df7R)

122

 President Obama’s top science adviser said there’s a need to “educate” GOP climate change skeptics on Capitol Hill as the White House seeks to advance its green energy agenda.

 

Oh this global warming climate change. It's just awful! Chicago is expecting a blizzard Tuesday into Wednesday. About foot and a half of snow with 35 mile an hour winds. We just need to be re-educated to be true believers in the cult of global warming climate change and all of this winter weather will just go away

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 31, 2011 04:31 AM (1Jaio)

123 Posted by: Aussie at January 31, 2011 09:29 AM

Saw the news this morning about the 162 mph (?) wind gusts and more rain expected.  What a horrible thing. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 04:31 AM (pW2o8)

124 President Obama’s top science adviser said there’s a need to “educate” GOP climate change skeptics on Capitol Hill as the White House seeks to advance its green energy agenda.“It is an education problem. I think we have to educate them,” said John Holdren

That limpdick genocide-planning asshole should be educated on what "science" means himself.

Posted by: Waterhouse at January 31, 2011 04:32 AM (3YYhR)

125 Watching Beck wow banky moon has a super set.  Beck is saying he told the banksters and world leaders who bothered to go to Davos that the capitalist system has to go.?

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 04:33 AM (p302b)

126

Jon Huntsman - he could beat obama.

The Ace list from a few days ago?  No one on that list would beat obozo.  Sadly. 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 31, 2011 04:33 AM (0fzsA)

127 Oh dear!  Mitt or Huntsman!?

Posted by: Peggy Noonan Republicans at January 31, 2011 04:34 AM (HjPtV)

128 Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 31, 2011 09:33 AM (0fzsA)

considering that I saw something that said the White House expects him to step down from his position, I thought to myself, "forget him, the white house wants him running" and then I thought "wow, he is beck's best friend so beck has been out there touting him.  Nope the republicans need someone to pop out of the shadows.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 04:34 AM (p302b)

129

Posted by: Aussie at January 31, 2011 09:29 AM (QErie)

I hope your friends and fellow countrymen stay safe, Aussie!  I'll be keeping that region of Australia in my thoughts and prayers.  I hope the cyclone peters out before it reaches the coast and causes even MORE destruction and heartache.

Posted by: MWR at January 31, 2011 04:35 AM (4df7R)

130

chemjeff

Hey, dude, I have a question for you, or anyone else who can explain this coherently. Or semi-coherently.

Talking about acids and bases with my kids and the question comes up: why is this important? Haven't found an answer that satisfies me...is it important to avoid making an accidental volcano?? Just to watch what you eat so you don't need an antacid?

 

Posted by: Mama AJ at January 31, 2011 04:35 AM (XdlcF)

131

Anyone catch Chuck 'The Douche' Schumer saying we have three branches of government, the House, the Senate and the President?

chuck Schumer and Barney Frank are the court jesters in our government. geeez.  How do these idiots keep getting elelcted?

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 31, 2011 04:35 AM (0fzsA)

132

A big "hold fast" and "good luck" to the people of Queensland; I hope they can ride this thing out without too much more damage. 

126 Exactly.

Posted by: unknown jane at January 31, 2011 04:36 AM (5/yRG)

133

Some kinda friggin Arctic Express is blowin through the panhandle headed my way and there ain't nothing between it an me but a barbwire fence.

And the fence is down.

50/50 chance of frozen crap, only consolation I have is it won't last more than a day. Back to normal by this weekend. Hey, I heard the Superbowl is this weekend.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 31, 2011 04:36 AM (WvXvd)

134 I want to hear Huntsman speak more, but he might be a good choice.  He went to the "right" schools to appease some of the NE GOP, yet has a solid fiscal background.  If he says the right things to convince us, he already has a track record worthy of a POTUS.

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 04:36 AM (8qbfK)

135

Zero Hedge reports Egypt is rapidly running out of food.

Well.....why don't they just go to the Farmers Market and buy some more organic beets and free range chicken?

Posted by: Typical Liberal Living in New York but commuting to the Hamptons for the weekend at January 31, 2011 04:36 AM (OWjjx)

136

Remember - ALL forms of weather PROVE man made global warming is taking place.  Science!

 

 

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 31, 2011 04:37 AM (0fzsA)

137 My lib friend said that he respects Huntsman.  That worries me.

I've encountered a fair number of solid red folks here in Utah who respect him, too. 

I did some research on him a couple of weeks ago and did not see anything that would prevent me from voting for him. 

I'd like to know what his role has been in really shaping Obama's China policies.  Would we be worse off had Huntsman not been in that role? 

 In terms of him being "socially liberal," I'm thinking that a socially liberal Mormon from a really well-placed Mormon family is not all that liberal.  What I've observed that they tend to be is a little too "compassionate conservative."  But I think that may not be an issue on a national scale.  Things in Utah are unique.  There's a separation of Church and State, but on  a cultural level there isn't, so that kind of drives the State to be a little more into social programs than you'd see otherwise (given how deep red the folks here are). 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 04:38 AM (pW2o8)

138

chuck Schumer and Barney Frank are the court jesters in our government. geeez.  How do these idiots keep getting elelcted?

They represent diversity in our government. You need gays to have a diverse Congress and you need the mentally challenged as well!

Posted by: Typical Liberal Living in New York but commuting to the Hamptons for the weekend at January 31, 2011 04:38 AM (OWjjx)

139 Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 09:36 AM (8qbfK)

I think Trump has better qualifications than Huntsman.  A lot of folks won't vote for either though, they'd just stay home.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 04:38 AM (p302b)

140 How do these idiots keep getting elelcted?

Posted by: Lemon Kitten at January 31, 2011 09:35 AM (0fzsA)

Because there are too many stupid people who vote?  Sometimes I honestly think people should have to pass some kind of civics test before being allowed to vote, with a dollop of economics thrown in for good measure.  But that just feels so LIBERAL.  So I denounce myself.

Posted by: MWR at January 31, 2011 04:39 AM (4df7R)

141

Well.....why don't they just go to the Farmers Market and buy some more organic beets and free range chicken?

We'll be airlifting tuscan kale from the DC farmers' market. Gotta have those greens.

Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 04:39 AM (0Hp4r)

142

125 Y-not

Hi, yes another disaster on top of that flooding - my friends are deciding whether to stick it out - their house is on the beachfront in Townsville - it will hit early hours Thursday morning

They're hoping it either loses power or swings south a bit

Posted by: Aussie at January 31, 2011 04:39 AM (QErie)

143

Remember - ALL forms of weather PROVE man made global warming is taking place.  Science!

Yes of course - but its not global warming...its Climate Change, dear.

See you for tea at 2....o.k.

Posted by: Typical Liberal Living in New York but commuting to the Hamptons for the weekend at January 31, 2011 04:40 AM (OWjjx)

144

Zero Hedge reports Egypt is rapidly running out of food.

Well.....why don't they just go to the Farmers Market and buy some more organic beets and free range chicken?

 

that's something that has pissed me off about our media coverage. The media is acting like the overthrow in Tunisia was just people fed up with dictatorship, when it was more about rising food prices and lack of food.

People there can handle a dictatorship as long as they can eat and drink.

This has been completely overlooked by the media. They see it as some organic democracy movement, when it is more a group of people who fear not being able to feed themselves and they blame their 30 year dictator

Posted by: THE MSN at January 31, 2011 04:40 AM (wuv1c)

145 Y-Not, you may be right (God I hope so).  Huntsman has all of the experience that I would like in a POTUS and none of the Beltway stench on him.

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 04:40 AM (8qbfK)

146

Welcome, morons, to Monday.

And, yes, we are on a high speed rail line.  Trust me on this.

Yeah, we used to be on a Highway to Hell, now it's a High Speed to Hell.  Geez, I miss the good old day. 

I can hear Tom Petty's "Runaway Train" playing in my head.

Posted by: runningrn at January 31, 2011 04:41 AM (ihSHD)

147 Meddlesome charlatans like Alan Blinder and his Muse, Preznint Woof-Splutnik, need to be ridden out of town on a rail. And I ain't talking about high speed rail ...

Posted by: ya2daup at January 31, 2011 04:42 AM (yRrAd)

148 132 This probably isn't coherent, but knowing and balancing ph ratios has many practical applications -- such as soil ph, water quality, medicine, even the knowledge not to mix certain common household chemicals together.  Acid/base is one of the basic building blocks of chemistry and determining the qualities of any given organic substance, an integral part of life on this planet.   Sorry, that isn't much, but it's early and not a science teacher here.

Posted by: unknown jane at January 31, 2011 04:42 AM (5/yRG)

149

considering that I saw something that said the White House expects him to step down from his position, I thought to myself, "forget him, the white house wants him running

Yeh, that's worrying. Also, why did they appoint him in the first place??

Posted by: Mama AJ, who has learned to be suspicious at January 31, 2011 04:43 AM (XdlcF)

150

131 MWR

Thanks! The  predictions are not looking good and it  might the biggest cyclone in years - unfortunately it's heading for a heavily populated bit of Far North Queensland

My friends are packed up but are still hoping it swings away

Posted by: Aussie at January 31, 2011 04:43 AM (QErie)

151 Oh my god, it's 63 degrees out here in Hawaii Brrrrrrrrrrrrr I feel the midwest's pain with the storm coming.

Posted by: Ncj the non-terrorist cabbie at January 31, 2011 04:43 AM (RjQFV)

152

This has been completely overlooked by the media. They see it as some organic democracy movement, when it is more a group of people who fear not being able to feed themselves and they blame their 30 year dictator.

THIS. 

I don't know, perhaps the media thinks that reporting the truth about the uprising might give people over here ideas?  Or something?  It's just stupid.  I doubt the MFM would have to work particularly hard to blame food shortages on "global climate disruption" and the Tea Party, which is their go-to whipping boy for everything.  It would be a patent falsehood, but that's never stopped them before.  So why haven't they done it?

Posted by: MWR at January 31, 2011 04:44 AM (4df7R)

153 Re food prices:

This (inflation) is China's #1 concern going forward (#2 is economic development).  Inflation here in food is obvious, and lots of people are not happy.  Couple that with all of the fake/dangerous food scandals of the last couple of months and the natives get a little restless.  Here is a partial list of the fake foods that have come of light:

Eggs (seriously, fake eggs)
Tofu
Milk (melamine tainted)
Noodles (chemical agent included for faster production)
Beef (not from a cow)


Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 04:44 AM (8qbfK)

154

Aren't jokes supposed to have an element of truth in them?  Isn't that what makes them funneh?  Even Precedent Obummer's joke in the STFU speech was a lie.  Something that was called out by the Seattle Times (not a sanctioned Tea Party publication):

During a portion of the speech dedicated to reorganizing government, Obama highlighted what sounded like government redundancies. He mentioned that 12 federal agencies deal with exports and five “entities” deal with housing.

And he followed those statements with this: “Then there’s my favorite example: The Interior Department is in charge of salmon while they’re in freshwater, but the Commerce Department handles them when they’re in saltwater. I hear it gets even more complicated once they’re smoked.”

The line was a hit — perhaps too big a hit. When National Public Radio after the speech asked 4,000 listeners to describe in three words what they recalled from the president’s hourlong address, the most frequently mentioned word was “salmon.”

But Obama’s description wasn’t even entirely accurate. The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, an agency within Interior, manages most endangered species and owns and operates nine hatcheries in Washington. But the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) Fisheries, an agency within Commerce, runs virtually every aspect of salmon management regardless of whether they’re at sea or in a river.

And if the president’s point was that salmon involves more than one agency, he really missed the mark.

 

Posted by: runningrn at January 31, 2011 04:45 AM (ihSHD)

155 With Huntsman you almost feel like the mormons were like "well, mittens isn't working for us so put our mouthpiece beck out there touting huntsman, right away, so we can get a mormon in there".

I'm not saying this is true but NY will not vote for this guy at all.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 04:45 AM (p302b)

156
Zero Hedge reports Egypt is rapidly running out of food.

This isn't a problem.  My garden will supply corn, oprah, squash, and a few spare ribs for the hungry masses.  On to victory!

Posted by: Michelle O'Bongo, First Scrunt at January 31, 2011 04:45 AM (ZHsNw)

157

People keep talking about this Huntsman as if he is a viable candidate. The only people I notice floating his name are the MSM outlets.

Prior to that I've never heard of him on an conservative media platform. I know of his father obviously, because of the industry i am in.

Look, if I want a socially moderate/fiscally conservative mormon in 2012, I've already got Romney. Why do we need another one? More importantly, why do we need one that is working for Obama?

I'm sure he's a great guy, but I can't help the feeling that he is being forced on us by the MSM.

At least Romney is a known quantity

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2011 04:45 AM (wuv1c)

158 Mitch Daniels on Laura Ingraham, when asked for his opinion on Egypt, said "I'm just a provincial governor".  Granted that *is* what his job is and where his current emphasis should be with an ice storm bearing down on his state; but that doesn't sound like somebody who should want to be considered a Presidential candidate.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 31, 2011 04:46 AM (olKiY)

159 About Egypt: 

Why is a very small fraction of the country allowed to dictate the ousting of an entire gov't?  There isn't any real proof that the protesters are, in fact, Egyptians.

Posted by: momma at January 31, 2011 04:46 AM (penCf)

160 Radio Beck telling me that we can no longer support Dictators in the ME. Like Mubarek.
Viva The Revolution!

Posted by: Barbarian at January 31, 2011 04:46 AM (EL+OC)

161 145
Yes of course - but its not global warming...its Climate Change, dear.

See you for tea at 2....o.k.
Posted by: Typical Liberal Living in New York but commuting to the Hamptons for the weekend at January 31, 2011 09:40 AM (OWjjx)

Your subscription to "Meme of the Month" has expired, obviously. It's "Climate Disruption", dearie.

Posted by: A Superior Mind, holding forth from his humble pied--terre overlooking Central Park at January 31, 2011 04:46 AM (yRrAd)

162 151

considering that I saw something that said the White House expects him to step down from his position, I thought to myself, "forget him, the white house wants him running

Yeh, that's worrying. Also, why did they appoint him in the first place??

Posted by: Mama AJ, who has learned to be suspicious at January 31, 2011 09:43 AM (XdlcF)

1) He speaks fluent mandarin and has experience

2) He fits the "bipartisan" narrative that the Obama administration was looking for yet was professional enough not to back-stab publicly

3)He was a political risk by being in the US as well


Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 04:47 AM (8qbfK)

163

Re food prices:

This (inflation) is China's #1 concern going forward (#2 is economic development).  Inflation here in food is obvious, and lots of people are not happy.  Couple that with all of the fake/dangerous food scandals of the last couple of months and the natives get a little restless.  Here is a partial list of the fake foods that have come of light:

Eggs (seriously, fake eggs)
Tofu
Milk (melamine tainted)
Noodles (chemical agent included for faster production)
Beef (not from a cow)

good thing that farm bill our gov passed outlaws us from selling the produce we produce(heh) in our back yards.

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2011 04:47 AM (wuv1c)

164 I think based on his resume, Huntsman is potentially a top-tier candidate for me.  I still have a lot to learn about him. I've been waiting for this blog to cover him.  Over at HotAir when his name came up there was so much vitriol and unsubstantiated accusations and name-calling, it was useless.   

Trump doesn't even come close.  He's a disaster both on a personal level and, let's face it, as a businessman.  And I do not want to elect someone to POTUS who has never held an elected office. 

I know folks are excited by Herman Cain, but I really would rather have someone who has had at least some public service in his background.  I would rather someone with a long public record, warts and all, than an unknown that we are all projecting good things onto without really knowing how s/he'd behave in public office. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 04:47 AM (pW2o8)

165 The new "targets" are in

Link In Name

Posted by: James Loughner at January 31, 2011 04:47 AM (tvs2p)

166 beef not from a cow? what other animal would give me beef......you are scaring me......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 31, 2011 04:48 AM (eOXTH)

167

1) He speaks fluent mandarin and has experience

2) He fits the "bipartisan" narrative that the Obama administration was looking for yet was professional enough not to back-stab publicly

3)He was a political risk by being in the US as well

 

Tim Geitner speaks fluent mandarin. Hell in highschool I could speak passable mandarin. It doesn't qualify you to be president.

How was he a political risk. Does anyone know who he is?

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2011 04:48 AM (wuv1c)

168 This isn't a problem.  My garden will supply corn, oprah, squash, and a few spare ribs for the hungry masses.  On to victory!

Posted by: Michelle O'Bongo, First Scrunt at January 31, 2011 09:45 AM (ZHsNw)

Oh God. Not MORE Oprah.  Isn't one enough?

Posted by: MWR at January 31, 2011 04:48 AM (4df7R)

169

You cannot make this crap up!  In Malawi (isn't that where Madonna adopted a baby?) from Drudge:

 

Breaking wind is set to be made a crime in an African country.

The government of Malawi plan to punish persistent offenders 'who foul the air' in a bid to 'mould responsible and disciplined citizens.'

But locals fear that pinning responsibility on the crime will be difficult - and may lead to miscarriages of justice as 'criminals' attempt to blame others for their offence.

One Malawian told the website Africanews.com: 'My goodness. What happens in a public place where a group is gathered. Do they lock up half a minibus?

'And how about at meetings where it is difficult to pinpoint 'culprits'?


 

Posted by: runningrn at January 31, 2011 04:49 AM (ihSHD)

170 Look, if I want a socially moderate/fiscally conservative mormon in 2012, I've already got Romney. Why do we need another one?

This one has a better record.

As for his social positions, I'm not really seeing that he has much of any stated positions.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at January 31, 2011 04:49 AM (TpXEI)

171

You cannot make this crap up!  In Malawi (isn't that where Madonna adopted a baby?) from Drudge:

 

Breaking wind is set to be made a crime in an African country.

The government of Malawi plan to punish persistent offenders 'who foul the air' in a bid to 'mould responsible and disciplined citizens.'

But locals fear that pinning responsibility on the crime will be difficult - and may lead to miscarriages of justice as 'criminals' attempt to blame others for their offence.

One Malawian told the website Africanews.com: 'My goodness. What happens in a public place where a group is gathered. Do they lock up half a minibus?

'And how about at meetings where it is difficult to pinpoint 'culprits'?

Village Dogs hardest hit. They always take the blame

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2011 04:49 AM (wuv1c)

172 168 beef not from a cow? what other animal would give me beef......you are scaring me......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 31, 2011 09:48 AM (eOXTH)

Dyed pork with added beef stock.

Fake pork is dyed "mystery meat" with pork stock.

Fake chicken is often processed tofu

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 04:51 AM (8qbfK)

173

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2011 09:00 AM (0GFWk)

 Posted by: dagny at January 31, 2011 09:04 AM (0Hp4r)

 

And while you're talking about Carter's and Obama's intentional sell out and betrayals of this country's best interests, let's not forget that it was under that other Democrat president's administration, also, i.e., the administration of Bill Clinton when we sided with Muslim radicals in  the Balkans to destroy the forces of Slobadon Milosevitch, who was trying to prevent an invasion of Muslims into southeastern Europe, and we murdered their civilians from 25,000 feet, and, in fact, there was evidence that Osama bin Laden was in Kosovo at the time. (Never mind thast Clinton was too busy getting blow jobs from Monica to address several other threats by Muslims which were building up elsewhere, like, for example, the planning for 9/11, which began under Cinton in 1996, also.)  No, Democrats can not be trusted to protect the United States Of America.  

Posted by: Brian at January 31, 2011 04:52 AM (sYrWB)

174 Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 09:47 AM (pW2o

well I'm an independent and I won't vote for huntsman, I'll vote for donald trump who is not a disaster, he has it all out there, sure he's not one of those robot, perfect mormon types, he's real.  Huntsman, to me is not real enough to make me vote for him.  He would actually make me vote for BO to make sure he didn't win.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 04:52 AM (p302b)

175
Breaking wind is set to be made a crime in an African country.

Boeing has addressed and solved this problem beginning with the 777, and it's called the Fart Catcher!

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at January 31, 2011 04:52 AM (ZHsNw)

176 Speaking of farts, does anybody doubt that Moochelle's fat ass produces gases that probably can peel wallpaper?

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 31, 2011 04:53 AM (olKiY)

177 So according to curious, no one in NY will vote for this Huntsman fellow. I wonder what her friends have to say.

Posted by: Mr. Sar Kastik at January 31, 2011 04:54 AM (ZTu4b)

178 I'm thinking of a number ...

Posted by: A Superior Mind, holding forth from his humble pied--terre overlooking Central Park at January 31, 2011 04:54 AM (yRrAd)

179 100
Stupid scrunt on Fox just said that if the Suez canal is blocked oil shipments will have to go "all the way around Egypt."
Posted by: Ed Anger at January 31, 2011 09:08 AM (7+pP9)

Well, technically, she is correct ...

Posted by: A Superior Mind, holding forth from his humble pied--terre overlooking Central Park at January 31, 2011 04:54 AM (yRrAd)

180

Breaking wind is set to be made a crime in an African country.

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2011 09:49 AM (wuv1c)

 

I can see why. Do you know how expensive it is to repair broken wind?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 31, 2011 04:55 AM (1Jaio)

181 Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 09:52 AM (p302b)

WTF, man?  BHO has an actual track record that COULD NOT BE WORSE.  What has Huntsman done to make you hate him?  I don't know, he could be a disaster, but I am willing to listen before I decide to go third-party or not vote.

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 04:55 AM (8qbfK)

182 I don't know anything about Huntsman. His page at the "on the issues" web site is almost totally blank. But his being nominated by the Obama adm is deeply troubling.

To me that is just about as bad as sitting on the couch with Nan.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2011 04:55 AM (M9Ie6)

183

Radio Beck telling me that we can no longer support Dictators in the ME.

Nice in theory.

Idiotic in practice unless we have, you know, an army on the ground to enforce our will.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 04:55 AM (B+qrE)

184 Talking about acids and bases with my kids and the question comes up: why is this important? Haven't found an answer that satisfies me...is it important to avoid making an accidental volcano?? Just to watch what you eat so you don't need an antacid?

Chemjeff or any of the other science-orientated denizens here will probably have a better answer than I, but let me give it a shot.

In short, acid/base chemistry is important for, well...damn near everything.  All of our bodily functions, from - the transport of ions across membranes, digestion of food in our stomachs, modulation of protein function during homeostasis or during some kind of perturbation or insult (i.e. when you're sick) - are all governed by the principles of acid-base chemistry. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 31, 2011 04:55 AM (9hSKh)

185 honestly, the gop would need a handicapped, pro choice, anti gun, transgendered, ghey , multi-racial community organizer that went to the right schools, has a birth certificate, albeit with an addendum, agnostic, darwinist in order to get new york to vote "r"

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 31, 2011 04:56 AM (eOXTH)

186 I like Huntsman because he is white.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 31, 2011 04:56 AM (yQWNf)

187 Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 09:55 AM (8qbfK)

I've seen huntsman interviewed, he gives me the creeps. If he gives me the creeps, I'm sure I'm not alone.

Heck, if you want a business man why not jaime dimon.  or carly fiorina.  The republicans/conservatives in NY won't vote huntsman.   they just won't.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 04:57 AM (p302b)

188 But his being nominated by the Obama adm is deeply troubling.

Careful going down the guilt by association road.  Unless he is demonstrably on the other side (and I'll be the first to say that his climate change statement referenced above is really troubling), I give him the benefit of the doubt.  Otherwise, you end up questioning whether David Petraeus is a good idea.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 04:58 AM (B+qrE)

189 178 Speaking of farts, does anybody doubt that Moochelle's fat ass produces gases that probably can peel wallpaper?

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 31, 2011 09:53 AM (olKiY)

By gad, now theres a disgusting mental image. You have my admiration

Posted by: maddogg at January 31, 2011 04:58 AM (OlN4e)

190 169
How was he a political risk. Does anyone know who he is?

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2011 09:48 AM (wuv1c)

Ex-governor of Utah. His family owns Huntsman Corporation, a global chemical company with 11000 employees and revenues of approximately $8 billion.

In other words, he might actually know both how to create jobs and to govern. Horrors!

Posted by: A Superior Mind, holding forth from his humble pied--terre overlooking Central Park at January 31, 2011 04:59 AM (yRrAd)

191 hucklebee gives me the creeps......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 31, 2011 04:59 AM (eOXTH)

192 let's not forget that it was under that other Democrat president's administration, also, i.e., the administration of Bill Clinton when we sided with Muslim radicals in  the Balkans to destroy the forces of Slobadon Milosevitch, who was trying to prevent an invasion of Muslims into southeastern Europe, and we murdered their civilians from 25,000 feet, and, in fact, there was evidence that Osama bin Laden was in Kosovo at the time. (Never mind thast Clinton was too busy getting blow jobs from Monica to address several other threats by Muslims which were building up elsewhere, like, for example, the planning for 9/11, which began under Cinton in 1996, also.)  No, Democrats can not be trusted to protect the United States Of America.  

Posted by: Brian at January 31, 2011 09:52 AM (sYrWB)

I've never heard that about bin Laden before.  In fact I heard that the Wahabbi vermin steered clear of that conflict although I've learned never to trust the salad tossing media on anything in the Balkans because they have a hardon about killing Serbs and always have.  The thought of Clenis coming down against Orthodox Catholics bothered me A LOT though and the lying cocksucker has never been adequately called on the carpet for that.  Although according to Ledeen that area is very pro-USA so I'm open to being proven wrong on that...

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 31, 2011 04:59 AM (olKiY)

193 so does newt

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 31, 2011 04:59 AM (eOXTH)

194

The republicans/conservatives in NY won't vote huntsman. 

And since NY will never be in play in 2012, this is important exactly how?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 04:59 AM (B+qrE)

195

Radio Beck telling me that we can no longer support Dictators in the ME.

 

That's nice Glenn. Glenn Beck is starting to remind me of the Blues Brothers, i'm just waiting for him to utter the phrase,"i'm on a mission from god!"

 

 

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2011 04:59 AM (wuv1c)

196 ben....he is

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 31, 2011 05:00 AM (eOXTH)

197 Other than Reagan in '84, when was the last time that any R won NY?  I don't know that we need a businessman, but I would crawl miles through broken glass to cast the vote to beat Obama.  If the "R" was Huckster, I would have to think twice but would still do it.

I am going to keep open minded on Huntsman until 1) he announces and 2) I have more info to go on.

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 05:00 AM (8qbfK)

198 Talking about acids and bases with my kids and the question comes up: why is this important? Haven't found an answer that satisfies me...is it important to avoid making an accidental volcano?? Just to watch what you eat so you don't need an antacid?

well -
1. most foods are acidic - so it's important to understand the food that you eat
2. your body only operates in a narrow pH range so it's important to understand things that might cause your body to go out of that range
3. a lot of environmental chemistry is influenced by slight changes in pH - dissolution/precipitation of minerals into/out of natural streams, etc.
4. acid-base reactions are a fundamental type of reactions in all of chemistry

hope this helps!

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2011 05:00 AM (pqsMB)

199 Otherwise, you end up questioning whether David Petraeus is a good idea.

Petraeus is a member of the military, not the adm. And most generals/admirals do not make good politicians anyway.

And if he supports crap and tax he is either insane, a crook, or a communist. But the "on the issues" site doesn't show him supporting that.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2011 05:00 AM (M9Ie6)

200

How was he a political risk. Does anyone know who he is?
Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2011 09:48 AM (wuv1c)


Ex-governor of Utah. His family owns Huntsman Corporation, a global chemical company with 11000 employees and revenues of approximately $8 billion.

In other words, he might actually know both how to create jobs and to govern. Horrors!

As I said above. I know who his father is. I don't know who he is and neither does anyone outside the beltway.

Also, how does his father making a successful chemical business translate into the son knowing anything?

If you want to run Huntsman Sr, then fine, but junior?

I'm telling you, no one knows who the kid is.

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2011 05:01 AM (wuv1c)

201 David Axelrod had straightforward advice for President Barack Obama to recover from Democratic losses in the midterm elections: Get back to basics.

“We need to return to first principles,” Axelrod, a senior White House adviser, said he wrote in a memo to the president.

Axelrod said the president and his administration had lost the essence of their strength, the ability to maintain public support by offering a consistent narrative, much as Obama had during the 2008 campaign. Instead, Obama and his staff were too deep into the tactical legislative battles over the response to the financial crisis and overhauling health-care laws.

 

You mean by lying through his teeth about what he's really all about and his real agenda?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at January 31, 2011 05:02 AM (1Jaio)

202 153 Oh my god, it's 63 degrees out here in Hawaii
Brrrrrrrrrrrrr
I feel the midwest's pain with the storm coming.

Posted by: Ncj the non-terrorist cabbie at January 31, 2011 09:43 AM (RjQFV)



okay NCJ I'm starting to hope that you get hit with a hurricane, with all of your snark about freezing midwesterners

Posted by: chemjeff at January 31, 2011 05:03 AM (pqsMB)

203 The race for the Republican presidential nomination is so wide open it's "unfathomable" to figure out who President Barack Obama will ultimately face in his reelection bid, a key Obama advisor said.

"This is the most unfathomable Republican field in my lifetime," said David Axelrod, who left his job as White House senior advisor on Friday to begin setting up Obama's 2012 campaign headquarters in Chicago.

I hate agreeing with Axelrod

Posted by: Ricky Martin at January 31, 2011 05:03 AM (tvs2p)

204 Petraeus is a member of the military, not the adm. And most generals/admirals do not make good politicians anyway.

I'm talking about the command aspect--not as a candidate, I phrased that poorly.  He serves at the President's pleasure, just like Ambassadors.  History is filled with capable biparisan participation--hell, Mike Mansfiled stayed in Japan for a kajillion years as Ambassador under Democrats and Republicans (including Reagan) and he was a former Senate majority leader for the Democrats.   

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 05:04 AM (B+qrE)

205 How was he a political risk. Does anyone know who he is?

I'm working from memory here, but he worked in the Reagan WH and several other Republican administrations, primarily in roles pertaining to international trade. 

He was Ambassador to Singapore in addition to Gov. of Utah.  Utah is kicking CA's ass -- it's basically us and Texas sopping up all the jobs that CA is losing.  Now some of that credit goes to our current Gov. (Herbert; Huntsman's Lt. Gov.), but clearly some of the groundwork was laid by Huntsman. 

His dad is a billionaire whose company (in which Huntsman Jr also worked) has global business concerns, including a lot of ties to the Far East.  I'm pretty sure he would represent a real threat on a financial level if he were to be a candidate.  He'd make Mitt look like a pauper. 

The knocks I heard on him were something to do with school vouchers and immigration.  There was an effort to push some initiative about htem here and it failed.  The guy pushing it hated Huntsman (really nasty crap in the press) and Huntsman decided to not weigh in when it went up for a referendum.  Now I know vouchers are a popular thing with conservatives, but the reality here is that our schools are grotesquely under-funded per capita, so I could imagine a voucher program would be a disaster here. 

The other knock had to do with immigration.  He was seen as being soft on it.  But, again, it may have been more perception than reality.  He certainly didn't veto any tough laws passed by the legislature here.  Also, in Utah the LDS church is a bit too "compassionate" about illegals... which is, I blieve, partly because they are aggressively working in central and south america with their missions.  The Latinos here whine to the Church if there's an appearnace of being "unfair."  So it woudl be natural for a governor here to at least pay lip service to a "path to citizenship" or whatever.  But at the end of the day, would he push for that nationally?  I very much doubt it.  Dynamics are so different in Utah than they are outside of it. 


Trump is "real" alright.  A real mess. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 05:04 AM (pW2o8)

206 153 Oh my god, it's 63 degrees out here in Hawaii
Brrrrrrrrrrrrr
I feel the midwest's pain with the storm coming.

Posted by: Ncj the non-terrorist cabbie at January 31, 2011 09:43 AM (RjQFV)


“It is an education problem. I think we have to educate them,” said John Holdren, who heads the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, in an interview broadcast Sunday.

Posted by: Ricky Martin at January 31, 2011 05:05 AM (tvs2p)

207 157
I'm not saying this is true but NY will not vote for this guy at all.
Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 09:45 AM (p302b)

Second look at me?

Posted by: Zombie Nelson Rockefeller at January 31, 2011 05:05 AM (yRrAd)

208

Axelrod said the president and his administration had lost the essence of their strength, the ability to maintain public support by offering a consistent narrative, much as Obama had during the 2008 campaign.

It is impossible to lose what one never had.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 05:05 AM (B+qrE)

209

The worst sign about the viability of our choice in 2012 is the fact that we're all grasping at straws hoping that a bunch of random people enter the race.

Trump, Huntsman, etc.

We have a defined field:

Romney, Palin, Gingrich, Guiliani, Huckabee, maybe Demint.

You're gonna have to pick one

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2011 05:06 AM (wuv1c)

210 3. a lot of environmental chemistry is influenced by slight changes in pH - dissolution/precipitation of minerals into/out of natural streams, etc.

LOL, reminds me of the time we needed to drain a tank to a catch basin that in turn drained to a local stream. The tank was full of purified boiler grade water with a pH of 7.0.

Because the local stream was acidic we were required by law to "pollute" the tank with Sulfuric acid before we drained it. Had to send a guy up to the top dumping acid into the tank.

Our environmental laws are totally insane.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2011 05:06 AM (M9Ie6)

211 Winter was fun. I really enjoyed it. I've had enough now. Thank you.

Posted by: Oklahoman at January 31, 2011 05:07 AM (qwKqm)

212 197 That's nice Glenn. Glenn Beck is starting to remind me of the Blues Brothers, i'm just waiting for him to utter the phrase,"i'm on a mission from god!"
-----------
He's been saying that *sort* of thing (not those exact words) for at least a year now.

Posted by: Anachronda at January 31, 2011 05:08 AM (6fER6)

213

Winter was fun.
I really enjoyed it.
I've had enough now.
Thank you.

DENIALIST!!!

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 05:08 AM (B+qrE)

214 oklahoman i will decide when you've had enough snow......

Posted by: mother nature sticking it to al gore until i'm sure he gets it.... at January 31, 2011 05:08 AM (eOXTH)

215

Also on Huntsman, how is it going to look having an multi billionaire running as our candidate in this economy.

Look, i'm willing to give the guy a chance. As I said, i know little about him other than what his father does.

I've haven't read anything written by him, i've never heard him speak, I can't really find online an outline of his ideas on social or economic issues.

And the first I ever heard of him is when Newsweek wrote an article about him and other MSM outlets began talking about him.

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2011 05:09 AM (wuv1c)

216 >>> Newt hasn't strayed very far from that couch with Nancy. Whenever I see Newt or see his name mentioned, the first thing that I picture is him sitting on that couch with Pelosi.

Posted by: gm at January 31, 2011 05:09 AM (HXzaq)

217

More welfare payments for GB's youngest grandfather to be - he's 29, his preggers daughter is 14http://tiny.cc/p2k3i

He's selling his story - what a lowlife

Posted by: Aussie at January 31, 2011 05:10 AM (QErie)

218 But his being nominated by the Obama adm is deeply troubling.

I asked one of my husband's work colleagues, who knows both Huntsmans personally, why he took the job.  This was a couple of months ago, prior to the public expression of interest in POTUS.  He said Huntsman said he felt it was his duty to do so. 

I think this is perfectly consistent with what I have seen of Mormons.  They are extremely patriotic.  It's God, Country, then Self.  He felt he had something to contribute (which based on his experience he does) and so he said yes. 

To me the important thing is what did he accomplish while in that role.  Are we better off now than we would have been if some lib Dem had been the ambassador?  I don't know the answer to that question.  Huntsman will need to demonstrate that he made a positive difference as Ambassador.  But, if he does, I'm not going to exclude him from my list simply because he was willing to be Amb to China in this administration. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 05:11 AM (pW2o8)

219 Mama AJ:

Since acid/base chemistry is so prevalent in everything, if you want to talk about it with your kids, I'd use an example they can relate to and then explain how it fits in with your example.  For instance, if one of your kids really likes plants, you can tell them that the acidity or alkalinity of the soil affects what kind of flora and fauna will grow there.

/Apologies if I'm reiterating what you've already thought of or if somebody else suggested it first.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at January 31, 2011 05:11 AM (9hSKh)

220 I must admit I don't know Huntsman.  I I wanted to vote for a former-diplomat for Prez, we've already got the 'Stache, and as has been mentioned, we've got the Mormon contingent covered via Romney.  Huntsman would have to market himself pretty hard in this climate to rise above the fray of potential candidates who have already been much ballyhooed in the press. 

Posted by: MWR at January 31, 2011 05:11 AM (4df7R)

221

Also on Huntsman, how is it going to look having an multi billionaire running as our candidate in this economy.

You mean against an incompetent millionaire, Harvard-educated hack?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 05:12 AM (B+qrE)

222

We have a defined field:

Romney, Palin, Gingrich, Guiliani, Huckabee, maybe Demint.

I disagree.  Clinton, for one, came out of nowhere to be a star in his party.  We can have the same in ours.  Voters had little idea about Obama two full years out, but had a clear picture by about a year and a half.  We are still in the window for someone else to enter the collective conscience and impress, but it will have to be sooner rather than later. 

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 05:12 AM (8qbfK)

223

Also on Huntsman, how is it going to look having an multi billionaire running as our candidate in this economy.

You mean against an incompetent millionaire, Harvard-educated hack?

Let's face it the democrats are great with narrative and optics.

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2011 05:13 AM (wuv1c)

224

Do you know how expensive it is to repair broken wind?

It's the special tools you need that makes it so expensive.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 31, 2011 05:13 AM (7+pP9)

225 BTW we have a great big hairy spider here in OZ called the huntsman spider, harmless as it just wanders around the house gobbling up insects and daddy long legs spiders but it is an awful sight if one happens to be right above the bed when you wake up...

Posted by: Aussie at January 31, 2011 05:13 AM (QErie)

226 exile...the only one on the list that i would vote for in a primary is palin

Posted by: phoenixgirl at January 31, 2011 05:13 AM (eOXTH)

227 Huntsman has done a hell of a job as an Ambassador.  The Obama administration has had a few fuckups with China, but the trade spats never escalated.  With regards to China, Huntsman has the respect of everyone across the board (except for the left-wing "freedom first" anti-everything protesters).

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 05:15 AM (8qbfK)

228

You mean against an incompetent millionaire, Harvard-educated hack?

Let's face it the democrats are great with narrative and optics.

This point has been a running concern aoround these parts.  McCain's biggest mistakes in 2008--playing by someone else's rules (MFM) and not being confrontaitonal with Obama.  I hope that we will not re-fight next year with that failed strategy.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 05:15 AM (B+qrE)

229 pheonix girl:

Wasn't my list.  Didn't cite properly, sorry.

I like Palin on that list, but I don't think that we need to eliminate outsiders just quite yet.

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 05:17 AM (8qbfK)

230

We have a defined field:

Romney, Palin, Gingrich, Guiliani, Huckabee, maybe Demint.

I disagree.  Clinton, for one, came out of nowhere to be a star in his party.  We can have the same in ours.  Voters had little idea about Obama two full years out, but had a clear picture by about a year and a half.  We are still in the window for someone else to enter the collective conscience and impress, but it will have to be sooner rather than later. 

the difference is that we are republicans. When was the last time someone "came out of nowhere"?  Goldwater was second to Rockafeller, then Rockafeller's personal life cost him the nomination. So Goldwater didn't "come out of nowhere".  In 1960, 1968 and 1972 we nominated former Eisenhower VP Richard Nixon. In 1976 we stuck with ford. In 1968 Reagan ran against nixon, in 1976 he ran against Ford and came close to winning, and in 1980 he beat Bush, Connley, Anderson and the rest. But that wasn't "out of nowhere" he had been in 3 primaires. In 1988 we went with VP Bush.  In 1996 we went with Bob Dole, and in 2000 we went with George Bush.

There aren't candidates that come out of nowhere in our party. We aren't structured that way.

I'm not trying to be a Debbie Downer, i just wouldn't get my hopes up that someone is going to come riding in on a white horse. 

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2011 05:17 AM (wuv1c)

231 Second look at me?
Posted by: Zombie Nelson Rockefeller at January 31, 2011 10:05 AM

Heh. I still have an old "Abort Rocky" political button from deep in my past of political activism. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 05:18 AM (pW2o8)

232 Politico and Newsweek are talking him up, that's a tipoff. He was for cap n trade,
it's unclear what his position was on the stimulus. I won't hold his religion against him, he holds a similar position to that in the first Bush administration, a clearly impossible job, trying to sell the Chinese on lending us money..

Posted by: justin cord at January 31, 2011 05:18 AM (2C3OH)

233 Politico and Newsweek are talking him up, that's a tipoff. He was for cap n trade,

IF he was/is for cap and trade that is a deal breaker for me.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2011 05:20 AM (M9Ie6)

234 @Ben

We "aren't" the come out of nowhere party, but look what selecting the established candidates has bought us over the last half-century.  Other than Reagan, a whole lot of suck.


Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 05:21 AM (8qbfK)

235

Some Egyptian interviewed about a new government doesn't like el baradei (I don't either btw), because he will likely take US aid. While I am fine with us cutting them off, because the mus b'hood will be calling the shots, I find this line of thinking hilarious.

As bad as that place is now, can you imagine it without billions of dollars in US aid. These people tryuly are imbecilic.

Posted by: wolverine at January 31, 2011 05:21 AM (GvYeG)

236 Yeah, no Cap-N-Trade for me either.  THAT would be a dealbreaker for me in the primaries.

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 05:22 AM (8qbfK)

237

 

Let me put it this way, between 1948 and 2008, we've only had one presidential/VP ticket that did not have the surname Nixon, Dole or Bush.

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2011 05:23 AM (wuv1c)

238

Ben

We "aren't" the come out of nowhere party, but look what selecting the established candidates has bought us over the last half-century.  Other than Reagan, a whole lot of suck.

+100000

However, I don't see us changing that paradigm anytime soon. We're are party that is partly made up of social cons and traditionalists, these are people who like familiarity. They like known quantities.

Posted by: Ben at January 31, 2011 05:24 AM (wuv1c)

239 Yeah, but the GOP can still break the mold.  This is the one cycle wherein the most established candidate (Palin) is the one that the "elites" want to take down the most.  They would select an outsider over her, given half the chance.

I don't know what we should do, but I don't want to see us trot out anything but a fiscal con.

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 05:26 AM (8qbfK)

240

IF he was/is for cap and trade that is a deal breaker for me.

Agreed.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 05:27 AM (B+qrE)

241 There's a lot of misinformation about Huntsman in the press, including in the Daily Caller (which I consider to be basically a promotion-seeking rag).  The DC says he supports gay rights.  WTF?  The guy is not for gay marriage, so what the hell are they trying to say?  I believe most polls have shown that the majority of Rs are for gay civil unions and the like and the nation is divided on DADT (which is moot now anyway).  So, honestly, that's just a smear.

They say he's lib on immigration, but when I looked into it several weeks ago it was clear he paid lip service, the way many candidates have (including Palin as I recall), but when he was in a position to veto legislation he did not. 

So the cap and trade stuff -- let's see what that really means.  I would like to see the data.  What I can say is that the Utah and Salt Lake valleys have a significant smog problem here in teh winter when the thermal inversion traps our pollution.  It's pretty darned bad, especially SLC and parts north.  So if as governor he tried to rein in polluters... well, that is a local issue.  Did it kill business in Utah?  No.  So I think the jury is out on that.

Many politicians are behind the curve on the "science" of global warming and the like. That's pretty common, imo.  Let them catch up and see if when push comes to shove they choose hyper-regulation over economic viability.  I'd be shocked if Huntsman governed like Jerry Brown or Barack Obama when it came to environmental issues. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 05:28 AM (pW2o8)

242 Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 10:11 AM (pW2o

relations with China are a mess. 

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 05:28 AM (p302b)

243 Relations with China are and will be a mess for some time.  The China relationship is the most difficult to manage, and I think that Huntsman has done as good a job as anyone could.  Keep in mind, he works for a nitwit who sets policy.

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 05:31 AM (8qbfK)

244 relations with China are a mess.

Well, someone up thread posited that they would have been much worse without Huntsman. 

An Ambassador can only do so much.  But he definitely has to make the case (to me, anyway) that he did concrete things that helped us.  If he can do that, I will not hold his willingness to serve the U.S. during this time against him. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 05:31 AM (pW2o8)

245 Yeah, no Cap-N-Trade for me either.  THAT would be a dealbreaker for me in the primaries.

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 10:22 AM (8qbfK)

Me too; where is Romney on this?  I think I heard from some non-moron in 2008 that he "understood how it works" but I don't know if that means he's for it or not.

Posted by: Captain Hate at January 31, 2011 05:31 AM (olKiY)

246

Mama AJ:

Acids are like Republicans -- evil. If you drink nitric acid you'll die. Just like how Republicans want you to die.

Bases are like Democrats -- good. If you drink sodium bicarbonate in water it will cure your tummy ache. Just like how Democrats cure all bad things.

The only way to combat the evil Republicans acids is to elect add enough good Democrats bases to neuter neutralize them. In fact, it's better to have far more good Democrats bases than evil Republicans acids.

Ask any farmer and he'll tell you he likes a good sweet soil because it grows more healthy vegetables than an evil acid soil. If fact, the reason everybody calls it a sweet soil is because it has more bases. It's sweet and good like a good, healthy apple. And like Democrats. Sour soil doesn't grow anything healthy because it has lots of evil Republican acids.
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Hope that helps.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 31, 2011 05:32 AM (7+pP9)

247

Well, there is "out of nowhere" and then there is annointing retroactively. 

Reagan was firmly part of the pack in '80 before his "I'm paying for this microphone" moment.  Bush Senior was anything but a lock in '88.  And poor Dan Quayle still doesn't understand what happened to him in '96. 

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 05:33 AM (B+qrE)

248 Posted by: Ed Anger at January 31, 2011 10:32 AM

So is dropping acid good or bad? 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 05:34 AM (pW2o8)

249 Carla Bruni is a moral nitwit. She has "quit the left" because they demonized Polanski over his rape case.

I heard responsible socialists saying the same thing as the National Front. It was really shocking.'

Last year film director Roman Polanski narrowly avoided deportation to the U.S. to face trial for raping a 13-year-old girl in the 1970s.

While the vast majority of French people said he should face up to the consequences of his crimes, close friends including Ms Bruni stood by him.

She also supported Frederic Mitterand, nephew of the former socialist President Francois Mitterand, when he admitted sleeping with young boys during sex tourism holidays in Thailand.

found at Five Feet of Fury


Posted by: kidney at January 31, 2011 05:35 AM (ENRGu)

250 The point is, and you know my preference, but if he is willing to push for more spending cuts, a more sensible health care framework, and policies to encourage
economic growth, then to the victor goes the spoils, but those are big ifs, and if
two Journolist portals are talking him up, caveat emptor, but why shouldn't he get in,

Posted by: justin cord at January 31, 2011 05:36 AM (2C3OH)

251 If you knew nothing about Newt Gingrich and heard his recent advice, is there any reason you wouldn't assume he is either a bald-faced lobbyist for hire or merely a smirky Democrat with a weird speaking voice?

Posted by: George Orwell at January 31, 2011 05:39 AM (AZGON)

252 a bald-faced lobbyist for hire or merely a smirky Democrat with a weird speaking voice?

Posted by: George Orwell at January 31, 2011 10:39 AM (AZGON)

Isn't that what he is, though?

Posted by: In Exile at January 31, 2011 05:40 AM (8qbfK)

253 a more sensible health care framework

Yeah, that reminds me, I'd have to go back and dig it up, but my recollection is that Huntsman was endorsing a private-sector based approach to health care availability and delivery.

Let's see if he runs. 


As for the media outlets pushing him - or characterizing him as a liberal Republican (as does the Daily Caller; who is their candidate, btw?) - I am loathe to lock into a logic wherein the only acceptable candidates are the ones that are smeared by the press.  That just seems incredibly naive to me.  Could it possibly be that Newsweek and Politico know that the sentiment is running against anyone about whom they speak positively?  

The Daily Caller is clearly anti-Huntsman.  The article earlier this month started out with a description of the home the guy lives in.  Nice populist crapola, that. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 05:41 AM (pW2o8)

254

So is dropping acid good or bad? 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 10:34 AM (pW2o

Leftsergic acid diethylamide is okay because it's a Democratic acid.

Posted by: Ed Anger at January 31, 2011 05:42 AM (7+pP9)

255 One way to make sure I continue to avoid Sean Hannity: Keep calling Newt a great American.

Posted by: George Orwell at January 31, 2011 05:42 AM (AZGON)

256 Curious, Beck's friend is Huntsman's father.

Posted by: texette at January 31, 2011 05:43 AM (S/asU)

257

a bald-faced lobbyist for hire or merely a smirky Democrat with a weird speaking voice?

Or?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 05:46 AM (B+qrE)

258 Ian S., GOP priority forcing ISPs to spy on you


Notice the same GOP leaders and members who instituted the uber-hench DHS/PatriotAct to begin with, no surprise, persist in enhancing authoritarianism further.

What's queer is how so many "conservative" voters yet refuse to admit that of the DHS potentiality to abuse powers, initial implications are outmoded fears given the reality outcome as our current federal bureaus' absolute authoritarian policy dissolves constitutional governance.

Coincidentally, the one citizen most "in the know" regarding cyber-security outside of this administration was beaten to death and left to rot in the garbage; and when the corpse was found, each governmental investigative branch claimed to not be in the lead, and officially acknowledged for an entire month that John Wheeler's murder investigation NOT be given any particular attention, but to wait on the back burner to simmer the broth to taste, "neglect" being the least of the problems during the month if not longer yet as heels drag during the potential fabrication of evidence.

Posted by: Plateau Plato at January 31, 2011 05:46 AM (H+LJc)

259 Of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood revolution, their proposed "unity government" requires the entire omission of the current party in power. "Together We Thrive"...Obama yet promises the Muslim radicals with whom Obama identifies.  Watch as the MSM spin "Obama, the Potus who lost Egypt"  into "Obama who promoted Hope and Change for the poor Egyptians denied food subsidies by the infidel Mubarak" -- problems being reality that disproves any mantra that Egyptian radical protests were "for food". Ignore that Mubarak's food subsidies have long been in place, and Egypt's economy was boasted as secure until this week.

But the unrest also threatens to unravel an economy that officials had proudly pointed to one of the few to withstand the global financial meltdown

Posted by: Plateau Plato at January 31, 2011 05:57 AM (H+LJc)

260 I'm beginning to think that Beck's sole purpose on the air has been to get Huntsman elected.  I guess mittens has failed so now they'll dump him and go to Huntsman.  Sad really, how Beck has so manipulated the audience.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 06:01 AM (p302b)

261 Posted by: Plateau Plato at January 31, 2011 10:57 AM (H+LJc)

The Egyptians thrive on tourism.  They had an 11% increase in their GDP this year.  If people do not perceive them as a stable government the tourism, their main staple, goes out the window.

Posted by: curious at January 31, 2011 06:03 AM (p302b)

262

Knocks on Huntsman have been that he is pro-amnesty for illegals; and pro cap n trade.  If true, that would put him at or near the bottom of my list. Hope he runs, he'll peel votes off of Mittens, Daniels and Jeb, if the latter gets in.

Posted by: louis tully at January 31, 2011 06:07 AM (K/USr)

263 264 I'm beginning to think that Beck's sole purpose on the air has been to get Huntsman elected.  I guess mittens has failed so now they'll dump him and go to Huntsman.

Was Beck pushing Mitt before? 

I don't watch Beck (he's too emotional for my taste), but I think you may be making an assumption about Mormons that is not true.  Quite a few of the prominent Mormons I know (business and community leaders) are Palin supporters.  So while fundie Christians may not be willing to consider a Mormon (or, let's face it, a Catholic), I do not think the reverse holds true. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 06:07 AM (pW2o8)

264

The Egyptians thrive on tourism.

The Egyptians have 83 million people and thrive on direct aid from the U.S., Saudi Arabia and others.  Long-term turmoil is going to lead to long-term turmoil, if you know what I mean.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 06:10 AM (B+qrE)

265

Knocks on Huntsman have been that he is pro-amnesty for illegals; and pro cap n trade. 

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I found no evidence that he is pro-amnesty.  He had a chance to veto legislation while governor and he didn't.  He appears to have paid the same sort of lip service re a path to citizenship that other shrewd pols have, including Palin.

I'm still researching the cap and trade stuff, but all I can say about that is that Utah's business/industry is thriving, so he couldn't have been all that bad.  Also, we do have a serious smog problem here in the Salt Lake and Utah Valleys (where most of our population and business reside), so it would be natural as a governor to endorse some environmental regulation to try to get that smog problem under control. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 06:11 AM (pW2o8)

266

Holy crap this year's flu sucks.  I just stopped shivering/sweating for the first time in two days.  Popping ibuprofin like Tic-Tacs.  

Anyway, Andy McCarthy points out that just like the Left was a bit wrong on Khomeini being a wonderful replacement for the Shah of Iran, they might be just a wee bit off base about the Muslim Brotherhood.  It's the lead op-ed at NR right now. 

Has anyone on the Left ever considered the possibility that political/Islamist (Islam is inherently political) Muslims may *gasp* lie to cover their true intentions, knowing what we want to hear?  How many times must it occur before they notice?  I'm leaning toward infinity. 

Posted by: Beagle at January 31, 2011 06:14 AM (sOtz/)

267

I know this will earn nothing but hate, but I contend that ethanol has more going for it than is generally put forth. 

First, starving out our multitudinous enemies in the third world is a feature, not a bug, and since the US has the world's fattest poor, I think we're still doing fine for food.  Driving the Egyptians and others to go back to farming is not a bad thing.  It will give them something to do that doesn't leave a lot of time for plotting our downfall. 

Second, the more modern processes are better than the old - the energy ratio is up to 1.67.   

Third, the loss of grain is not so great as many think.  The waste from the ethanol plants becomes feed stock for animals that we then eat.  The ethanol production only uses the starch.  The vitamins, minerals, etc all go into the bellies of cows and such like. It's not like all those animals are going to stop being fed if we give up ethanol. 

Overall, while I don't think we should subsidize ethanol, it's not such a horrible thing.  As for hungry third worlders - when was the last time they did anything but cause us grief?  Screw them. 

 

Posted by: Reactionary at January 31, 2011 06:20 AM (xUM1Q)

268

So who was that in the sidebar a few weeks back who was saying the greenies were backing off or something like that?

Heh, good one.

The only bigger tell that someone is about to try to force their shitty liberal opinion down your throat other than "Studies have shown..." is the tried and true "We just have to educate people...".

Posted by: Burn the Witch at January 31, 2011 06:24 AM (A/oSU)

269 270

Holy crap this year's flu sucks.  I just stopped shivering/sweating for the first time in two days.  Popping ibuprofin like Tic-Tacs.  

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Sorry to hear that.

I had a thing that wasn't the flu (no fever) that lasted two months.  Horrible.  Several people I know from across the country got it -- a 4 to 8 week "cold" that started with a sore throat, concentrated in the head, but also led to bronchitis (just not congestion, per se, more uncontrollable hacking/wheezing). 

Get well soon, Beagle. 

Posted by: Y-not at January 31, 2011 06:24 AM (pW2o8)

270

while I don't think we should subsidize ethanol

Your analysis should stop right there.

As for hungry third worlders - when was the last time they did anything but cause us grief?  Screw them. 

Sorry, but that is not who we are.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 06:25 AM (B+qrE)

271 271 First, starving out our multitudinous enemies in the third world is a feature,...
________

Starve all you want. We'll make more.

Posted by: Multitudinous enemies in the third world at January 31, 2011 06:32 AM (IrbU4)

272

Sorry, but that is not who we are.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at January 31, 2011 11:25 AM (B+qrE)

Who's "we?"  Got a turd in your pocket?  Maybe I just work and live with an odd crowd, but I can't remember the last time I spoke to an American who felt that sending food to ungrateful foreigners should be a priority. 

If they want to buy it - great.  Otherwise, let them figure the problem out for themselves.  Why should they rely on us to feed them forever?  Besides, food costs aren't going up because the can't grow anything.  Food prices are going up because they finally got a taste of meat.  Rice production is being reduced to make way for cow fodder. 

 

Posted by: Reactionary at January 31, 2011 06:49 AM (xUM1Q)

273

Overall, while I don't think we should subsidize ethanol, it's not such a horrible thing.  As for hungry third worlders - when was the last time they did anything but cause us grief?  Screw them. 

Posted by: Reactionary at January 31, 2011 11:20 AM (xUM1Q)

I'm reminded of Sam Kinison's truly hilarious and un-PC "Hunger in Ethiopia" monologue from his first appearance on Letterman back in the day:

"I'm like anyone else on this planet -- I'm very moved by world hunger. I see the same commercials, with those little kids, starving, and very depressed.

I watch those kids and I go, 'Fuck, I know the FILM crew could give this kid a sandwich!' There's a director five feet away going, 'DON'T FEED HIM YET! GET THAT SANDWICH OUTTA HERE! IT DOESN'T WORK UNLESS HE LOOKS HUNGRY!!!'

But I'm not trying to make fun of world hunger. Matter of fact, I think I have the answer. You want to stop world hunger? Stop sending these people food. Don't send these people another bite, folks.

You want to send them something, you want to help?  Send them U-Hauls. Send them U-Hauls, some luggage, send them a guy out there who says, 'Hey, we've been driving out here every day with your food, for, like, the last thirty or forty years, and we were driving out here today across the desert, and it occurred to us that there wouldn't BE world hunger, if you people would LIVE WHERE THE FOOD IS!

YOU LIVE IN A DESERT! YOU LIVE IN A FUCKING DESERT!

NOTHING GROWS OUT HERE! NOTHING'S GONNA GROW OUT HERE!

YOU SEE THIS? HUH? THIS IS SAND.  KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW? IT'S GONNA BE SAND!

YOU LIVE IN A FUCKING DESERT! GET YOUR STUFF, GET YOUR SHIT, WE'LL MAKE ONE TRIP, WE'LL TAKE YOU TO WHERE THE FOOD IS!

WE HAVE DESERTS IN AMERICA -- WE JUST DON'T LIVE IN THEM, ASSHOLES!"

Posted by: MWR at January 31, 2011 07:07 AM (4df7R)

274

Ethanol only works economically speaking if you make it from sugar cane.  Not sure why.  Being a Floridian I'm not a fan of Big Sugar, but it's true.  The country (eh, Brazil? -- down there somewhere) which is successful uses cane, not grains. 

 

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