June 30, 2010

Top 10 Things Obama Can Do In Gulf, Apart From "Sucking It Up With A Straw"
— Ace

Unfortunately, the list does not include "Work on my putting" or "Sing-a-long with Sir Paul."

So this might be out of Obama's wheelhouse.

Still, here are few things he can do with a penstroke, which I trust even he is capable of doing.

Here are two related ones:

4. Release the S.S. A-Whale: The S.S. A-Whale skimmer is a converted oil tanker capable of cleaning 500,000 barrels of oil a day from the Gulf waters. Currently, the largest skimmer being used in the clean-up efforts can handle 4,000 barrels a day, and the entire fleet our government has authorized for BP has only gathered 600,000 barrels, total in the 70 days since the Deepwater Horizon explosion. The ship embarked from Norfolk, VA, this week toward the Gulf, hoping to get federal approval to begin assisting the clean-up, but is facing bureaucratic resistance.

As a foreign-flagged ship, the S.S. A-Whale needs a waiver from the Jones Act, but even outside that three-mile limitation, the U.S. Coast Guard and the EPA have to approve its operation due to the nature of its operation, which separates the oil from the water and then releases water back into the Gulf, with a minor amount of oil residue. The government should not place perfection over the need for speed, especially facing the threat of an active hurricane season.

...

7. Waive or Suspend EPA Regulations: Because more water than oil is collected in skimming operations (85% to 90% is water according to Coast Guard Admiral Thad Allen), operators need to discharge the filtered water back into the Gulf so they can continue to collect oil. The discharged water is vastly cleaner than when it was skimmed, but not sufficiently pure according to normal EPA regulations. If the water has to be kept in the vessel and taken back to shore for purification, it vastly multiples the resources and time needed, requiring cleanup ships to make extra round trips, transporting seven times as much water as the oil they collect. We already have insufficient cleanup ships (as the Coast Guard officially determined); they need to be cleaning up oil, not transporting water.

Note that 85-90% is not about the purity of the cleaned water, but of the water that is collected.

With the stroke of a pen Obama can waive this ludicrous requirement and permit skimmers that merely scrub 99% or even 98% of oil from water.

But apparently he thinks it's better to have the oil washing up on our beaches.

Meanwhile, Hurricane Alex approaches, and may hit Texas, and it's already pushing oil up on Gulf shores.

Rough seas generated by Hurricane Alex pushed more oil from the massive spill onto Gulf coast beaches as cleanup vessels were sidelined by the far-away storm's ripple effects.

The hurricane was churning coastal waters across the oil-affected region on the Gulf of Mexico. Waves as high as 6 feet and winds over 25 mph were forecast through Thursday just off shore from the Mississippi Delta in Louisiana to the Florida Panhandle.

In Louisiana, the storm pushed an oil patch toward Grand Isle and uninhabited Elmer's Island, dumping tar balls as big as apples on the beach.

"The sad thing is that it's been about three weeks since we had any big oil come in here," marine science technician Michael Malone said. "With this weather,we lost all the progress we made."

...

Dozens of vessels that were being used to combat the oil spill were tied to docks Tuesday as Alex, more than 500 miles away, approached the Texas-Mexico coast. Most days, the fleet would have been skimming oil from the Gulf and ferrying workers and supplies. But the hurricane turned many people fighting the 11-week-old spill into spectators. And they will be for days.

Well whatever we do let's make sure we leave the oil out there until we can Batman ourselves up a miracle machine together that will do better than 99% purity. We really need to hold out for the EPA's 99.9985% standard, even if it kills us.

There are millions of gallons of oil in the Gulf right there that didn't need to be. They are just there because of bureaucratic stupidity, and Obama's utter lack of interest in the issue.

Posted by: Ace at 06:14 AM | Comments (186)
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1

"Sucking It Up With A Straw"

Felcher in Chief?

Posted by: garrett at June 30, 2010 06:16 AM (QRiGH)

2 Suck it up with a straw, and by "straw" I don't mean "straw".

Posted by: AlGore at June 30, 2010 06:16 AM (Ee9Pv)

3 He could resign, but I don't think he will

Posted by: Nevergiveup at June 30, 2010 06:16 AM (0GFWk)

4

I don't understand the purity thing.

I would think if a machine could take out even 1% of the oil, then it would be worth using it. Isn't a 1% reduction in hundreds of millions of gallons of oil better than nothing?

am i insane, or is everyone else.

Dick Morris's column was pretty enlightening on the subject.

 

Posted by: Ben at June 30, 2010 06:17 AM (wuv1c)

5 Barack Obama Hates Fishdicks?

Posted by: Kanye West - Musical Genius at June 30, 2010 06:17 AM (QRiGH)

6
Why aren't the Republicans seizing on this?

They should be relentless on their criticism of Obama for this. Obama's inaction is ruining a part of our country. Say something, Republicans.

Posted by: i like chubby asian chicks, i do at June 30, 2010 06:19 AM (uFokq)

7 So I met this masseuse one time who cleansed my second chakra so it was 99.9985% empty. It was just awesome.

Posted by: Al Gore at June 30, 2010 06:20 AM (IhQuA)

8
The EPA is insane.

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 30, 2010 06:21 AM (fx8sm)

9

1. There is no way that he is letting this damage go on purposefully. Can ineptitude really explain all of these foul ups though? It's getting to strange.

2. Ladies, if hubby asks you to show him which muscles Algore wanted massaged, don't fall for it (unless you want to). But don't complain later about Chakra.

Posted by: dagny at June 30, 2010 06:21 AM (sjesa)

10 11. Blame Bush!

Posted by: t-bird at June 30, 2010 06:23 AM (FcR7P)

11 Osama Obama could also waive the Jones Act, and order his flunkies in all government agencies to allow any non-chemical oil-collection ideas, no matter how crackpot, to be tried immediately. Any improvement is better than what's happening now....

But I've come to the conclusion that the Traitor-in-Chief wants the spill to continue for political reasons. It gives him demons to attack (BP) and lets him pretend to be the dynamic, effective leader he is in his own mind.

Nevergiveup's idea is best. The worthless sunumbish should resign, and put us out of his misery. The whores in Congress will never do the job, being either too corrupt or too squishy to bounce him out on his worthless ass,

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 30, 2010 06:23 AM (Ulu3i)

12 A socialist valentine Can read rather funny “All you need is love So we’ll take all your money

Posted by: I so stole this at June 30, 2010 06:23 AM (w9bVp)

13 OT/ Caught this on youtube, not sure if it is new, but anyway, I liked it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYfGCMORVoY

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 30, 2010 06:24 AM (16mOa)

14 Wonder when they'll get around to wanting to prosecute Obi for genocide in the Gulf?  Considering all the species he's allowing to die....

Posted by: anony at June 30, 2010 06:24 AM (2wUt0)

15

Something I noticed, the oil spill didn't receive much coverage until around day 40 or so. I mean it was covered, but between day 40-58 is when we started seeing the ticker on the side of the screen that marked the days since the oil spill, or had a counter that estimated the number of gallons leaked.

However, i just noticed all that stuff has kinda gone away. there was a surge of interest in the media for days 40-60, but now that coverage, or intensity, has waned. Anyone else noticing this?

 

do you think it is because people have lost interest? or maybe the press realizes its focus was damaging the presidents numbers and decided to scale back a bit?

 

or is it just me?

Posted by: Ben at June 30, 2010 06:24 AM (wuv1c)

16
Dick Morris's column was pretty enlightening on the subject.

Just went and read it.  For a creepy toe-sucking perv he gets to the point pretty well.  The story from Alabama is infuriating.

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 30, 2010 06:25 AM (fx8sm)

17
WASHINGTON (AP) -- The United States is accepting help from 12 countries and international organizations in dealing with the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

The timeliness of this decision is quite impressive.  Only 72 into the spill, and after the liberal lackey's have sucked the unions dicks and gained permission, the cavalry sounds the bugle call and moves into the Gulf and awaits the blessing of the bureaucracy before beginning work.

I am so impressed,  and anxiously await  health care implementation. It's gonna be the death of those nasty health care companies, and all Americas will receive great care. 

Posted by: Fish at June 30, 2010 06:25 AM (v1gw3)

18 Why aren't the Republicans seizing on this?

Their role was to look like retarded shills for Big Oil, garner some shitty headlines to puss out in the face of, and build a press storyline that discredits all critics of the Obama admin's response. They did it. They're done.

Posted by: oblig. at June 30, 2010 06:26 AM (x7Ao8)

19 Obama should not have used that "sucking it up with a straw" comment. Makes him sound gey. Just sayin'. Then again, maybe this is his way of tapping his foot in a toilet stall.

Posted by: nerdygirl at June 30, 2010 06:27 AM (16mOa)

20 That's right, baby, I'm a  hurricane now.  Feel my wrath!

Posted by: alexthechick at June 30, 2010 06:27 AM (8WZWv)

21 Katrina!!11eleventy!!111111

Posted by: some ignorant libtard....and Sir Golfsalot at June 30, 2010 06:28 AM (UOM48)

22
That's right, baby, I'm a  hurricane now.  Feel my wrath!

I remember in the good ol' days, we gave girls names to hurricanes.

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 30, 2010 06:28 AM (fx8sm)

23
Their role was to look like retarded shills for Big Oil, garner some shitty headlines to puss out in the face of, and build a press storyline that discredits all critics of the Obama admin's response.
================================


hahahahaha, it's funny 'cuz it's true. They did their job.

Posted by: i like chubby asian chicks, i do at June 30, 2010 06:29 AM (uFokq)

24 When are you going to plug the damned hole, Daddy?

Posted by: Malia at June 30, 2010 06:29 AM (UOM48)

25 Gaia's Second Chakra was apparently in greater need of release than my own.

Posted by: Al Gore at June 30, 2010 06:30 AM (QRiGH)

26 My head hurts every time I read about this shit. Obama is bad enough, but these fucking bureaucrats are from a parallel universe.

Posted by: Gold Hat at June 30, 2010 06:30 AM (9QP73)

27 Someone should forward this to Barry How to waive the Jones act

Posted by: Buzzsaw at June 30, 2010 06:30 AM (tf9Ne)

28
But it's true.

The Republicans won't say anything now because they think Joe Barton cost them the moral high ground, so they better keep mum on the topic and hope it all goes away soon.

Posted by: i like chubby asian chicks, i do at June 30, 2010 06:30 AM (uFokq)

29

But I've come to the conclusion that the Traitor-in-Chief wants the spill to continue for political reasons. It gives him demons to attack (BP) and lets him pretend to be the dynamic, effective leader he is in his own mind.

That's what it looks like but it doesn't make any sense. Why would looking like a total inept golf-playing douche help him? I don't see the end game here unless it's to so demonize oil that they force through legislation which drives up the cost, or adds taxes to the point of further economic disaster, if that indeed is his actual goal.

I go back and forth about whether this admin are idiots or demons.

Posted by: dagny at June 30, 2010 06:31 AM (sjesa)

30

Does anyone know the Gulf's normal concentration of oil? Are there normally 15 ppm in Gulf water or is it more or less than that? I guess what I am wondering is whether or not the EPA's standards end up with water that is "cleaner" than what is naturally found.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at June 30, 2010 06:31 AM (JxMoP)

31 Ah...no, not going to say anything anymore; it's just utter bs, and there's just nothing more to say than that.

Posted by: unknown jane at June 30, 2010 06:31 AM (5/yRG)

32 Personally, I wish Barky would use Gibbsy's fat ass to plug the hole. 

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 30, 2010 06:32 AM (UOM48)

33 30  Maybe they should try both on for size, as both seem to fit.

Posted by: unknown jane at June 30, 2010 06:32 AM (5/yRG)

34 Too bad Gov. Jindal didn't have the balls ASAP to enter LA into the contract with the "voracious Dutch vessels, for example, [to] continuously suck up vast quantities of oily water [at the Louisiana shoreline], extract most of the oil and then spit overboard vast quantities of nearly oil-free water."


Posted by: maverick muse at June 30, 2010 06:32 AM (H+LJc)

35
Obama just called me. He is very upset that people don't appreciate all the things he has done to save the Gulf of Mexico. Obama said, "You'd think they'd be thanking me. That's what you'd think."

Posted by: i like chubby asian chicks, i do at June 30, 2010 06:33 AM (uFokq)

36 Shocked, shocked etc to find incompetence going on here.

I note here that Barry is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: your winnings, sir at June 30, 2010 06:34 AM (4WbTI)

37 I wonder if this anti-dutch thing is some sort of afro-anti-boer stance. Sounds nuts, but remember that Boosh blew up the levies because he was a racist. They project.

Posted by: dagny at June 30, 2010 06:34 AM (sjesa)

38 “This is a federal problem, it’s gotta have a federal fix,” he said. “I’m not really comfortable with state law enforcement having a big role.”

Posted by: Chris Christie at June 30, 2010 06:35 AM (YObWz)

39 Wonder how quickly Captain Kick Ass would have responded if an oil tanker had run aground at, oh, I don't know....Maui?  Because The One tells us the ocean is "sacred" in Hawaii.  The Gulf is just home to the redneck Riviera.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 30, 2010 06:36 AM (UOM48)

40 #17 sucking union dick by democrats=mandatory

Posted by: UAW at June 30, 2010 06:36 AM (16mOa)

41 I take VP Bite Me's promise to stay indefinitely as a threat to perpetuate the federal fuck-up powers on the scene harming our Gulf States, using this clusterfuck as  necessity's precedence to do MORE interventionist harm monthly as the years progress.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 30, 2010 06:36 AM (H+LJc)

42 So we've settled on retarded demons? So "libtard" is actually accurate and not just an insult? Shit.

Posted by: dagny at June 30, 2010 06:36 AM (sjesa)

43 Oh, never mind. I thought it said 'Top 10 Things Obama Can Do In Golf'...

Posted by: Barack 'Hogan' Obama at June 30, 2010 06:37 AM (FcR7P)

44

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 30, 2010 11:28 AM (fx8sm)

I thought it always alternated.  One year we'd start with a guy's name and then a girls and back and forth; the next year we'd start with a girl's name...

Posted by: Allen G at June 30, 2010 06:37 AM (hH7n9)

45 Try to wrap your mind around this bureaucratic nonsense:

You can't use that skimming or oily water collection technology to remove massive, miles-wide globs of crude because, well, you're leaving the water contaminated with more than our arbitrarily determined few parts per million.
That's like telling an ER physician that he can't perform an emergency surgical technique because it might leave a scar. It's like telling a firefighter that he can't hose down a burning house because the ground will get all yucky with ashes and stuff.

Thank you Coast Guard and EPA.  But WTF took you so long?

Posted by: GulfCoastTider at June 30, 2010 06:38 AM (x2J54)

46 YOU want Barry to show LEADERSHIP?  Make critical decisions that can be traced back DIRECTLY to him?

Hahahahahahahahaha!!

Silly boy.

Posted by: GarandFan at June 30, 2010 06:38 AM (6mwMs)

47
So "libtard" is actually accurate and not just an insult?

Yeah, they're not the brightest bulbs in the chandelier.

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 30, 2010 06:38 AM (fx8sm)

48 Hmmmm.

Where's my fucking waffles!?

Posted by: Paddy O'Bama at June 30, 2010 06:38 AM (MwCol)

49

"Sucking It Up With A Straw"

Now if you said snorting it,  that's different.

Posted by: LouisianaLightning at June 30, 2010 06:38 AM (TJ8HB)

50

Since this is a Moron blog, I try not to get too upset. 

It is being done by design!  No one is this stupid, especially if they managed to get elected Pres of the US. 

Anyone who can swing a multi hundred thou a year job for their wife, and get elected Pres, and have crooked buddies sell him land dirt cheap, and spend a million plus on birth certificate court costs; knows what is happening in the gulf and is fine with it.

Wake up morons, I know you think you are being extra thoughtful and all. 

 .

Posted by: Not Quite at June 30, 2010 06:39 AM (Bs8Te)

51

44 Heh. I did too.

Question: If the libtards want to move to a global govt and want international courts and currency, why the disconnect with foreign help? Has Obama checked out his global scheme with SEIU? They may not want the polish plumbers competition.

Posted by: dagny at June 30, 2010 06:39 AM (sjesa)

52 Sorry, I use electric golf carts, so I don't see the big deal.

Posted by: Back-Nine Obama at June 30, 2010 06:41 AM (FcR7P)

53 18 Why aren't the Republicans seizing on this? For the last time, it's because the GOP is the other hand of the ruling elite. They are tasked with feeding the morons just enough meat to wield nominal control. They hate libertarian and tea party thinkers more than the Progs. Don't believe me? Check the video of the bloaTED Kennedy funeral. Or wait until they show some shots of the Byrd funeral. They are all in it together. It's like current morning drive radio, controversy sells. Current popular media always has an opposing view to drive comments. They all need to go. Or we need to go-- someplace else. Don't rule out voting with your feet.

Posted by: dr kill at June 30, 2010 06:41 AM (w9bVp)

54 Felcher in Chief?

You have no idea.

Posted by: Rahm E at June 30, 2010 06:41 AM (mR7mk)

55

It is being done by design! 

It seems pretty obvious.

God help us.

Oh, and thank you obamavoters and purity test conservatives.

Posted by: dagny at June 30, 2010 06:42 AM (sjesa)

56 I go back and forth about whether this admin are idiots or demons.

Can't they be both??

Demiots as a nice ring to it!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at June 30, 2010 06:43 AM (pLTLS)

57 But it's true.

The Republicans won't say anything now because they think Joe Barton cost them the moral high ground, so they better keep mum on the topic and hope it all goes away soon.

Posted by: i like chubby asian chicks, i do

 

Absolutely. Just like Democrats stop all action whenever VP Biteme opens his foul mouth. No? Then I guess that this is a piece of crap, or a convenient excuse to do nothing.Are some Republicans hiding behind this? Probably. Are all of them doing this? No. What does the wonderful world think of this? So far, The European press, particularly the British press, aren't fixating on this, except to agree with Barton's actions.

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 30, 2010 06:43 AM (R2fpr)

58 "Demontards"

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 30, 2010 06:44 AM (UOM48)

59 #4 >I don't understand the purity thing. > >I would think if a machine could take out even 1% >of the oil, then it would be worth using it. >Isn't a 1% reduction in hundreds of millions >of gallons of oil better than nothing? >am i insane, or is everyone else. But the EPA is not sane. I read that was a justification for the Dutch to be turned away, they only could guarantee the water returned to the gulf would be 99% pure, not the EPA required 99.85% pure. What I don't get is how we regulate international waters in the gulf. Why can't whomever come operate in international waters (11 miles off?) and then bill BP? And are they still controlling the airspace over the slick to "protect" the teams? Or to handle the story and keep the real work under wraps. I read they force the boats to stay close to shore to make it look good, when they should be further out to sea...

Posted by: Sped at June 30, 2010 06:46 AM (bBNtI)

60 38 dagny: I wonder if this anti-dutch thing is some sort of afro-anti-boer stance. 

The Dutch certainly took a media stand against Mohamed the jihadist prophet, angering Obama's PC jihad apologist enabling administration.


Posted by: maverick muse at June 30, 2010 06:47 AM (H+LJc)

61

Awesome. We are in a situation where the demontards are trying to destroy the country on purpose but no one can say anything because, if they do, the media wil make them look like evil knuckle dragging racist cons.

The answer is the Chris Christi model which goes after the media's agenda, makes them look foolish, and does not apologise.

Posted by: dagny at June 30, 2010 06:47 AM (tsjZc)

62 Present.

Posted by: B Obama at June 30, 2010 06:47 AM (16mOa)

63

But it's true.

The Republicans won't say anything now because they think Joe Barton cost them the moral high ground, so they better keep mum on the topic and hope it all goes away soon.

Posted by: i like chubby asian chicks, i do

 

I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize for complicating the tasks of the GOP and its leadership.

Posted by: Re Joe Barton (R-Coventry) at June 30, 2010 06:48 AM (R2fpr)

64 "Rahm, get these crackas off my back.  Now where are my clubs?"

Posted by: King Barry at June 30, 2010 06:48 AM (UOM48)

65

38 dagny: I wonder if this anti-dutch thing is some sort of afro-anti-boer stance. 

The Dutch certainly took a media stand against Mohamed the jihadist prophet, angering Obama's PC jihad apologist enabling administration.

maybe he hates the dutch for their involvement in Africa in the 1800s-1900s. I think that is why he hated England.

The dutch were colonialists too.

Posted by: Ben at June 30, 2010 06:48 AM (wuv1c)

66 59 "Demontards" Posted by: Jane D'oh

TRUE

perniciously sadistic democrats

Posted by: maverick muse at June 30, 2010 06:48 AM (H+LJc)

67 here are few things he can do with a penstroke... The only thing I want to do with a penstroke right now is write down a '4' on a par-5.

Posted by: President of The Back Nine (IYKWIMAITTYD) at June 30, 2010 06:48 AM (FcR7P)

68 Where is the GOP leadership? Their silence in truly deafening. And I have to ask again: Why do we need these feckless, corrupt, cowardly fuckwads representing us?

Posted by: Bugler at June 30, 2010 06:49 AM (VXBR1)

69

But it's true.

The Republicans won't say anything now because they think Joe Barton cost them the moral high ground, so they better keep mum on the topic and hope it all goes away soon.

Posted by: i like chubby asian chicks, i do

 

I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize for complicating the tasks of the GOP and its leadership.

Posted by: Rep Joe Barton (R-Coventry)

 

AAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Posted by: GOP leadership at June 30, 2010 06:49 AM (R2fpr)

70

From the comments of the linked article:

This week, one of our FL state reps, Sandy Adams, who is running for Suzane Kosmas’ US House of representatives’ seat , sits on the FL Homeland Security Committee. She said, in a campaign speech to a local group, that “make no mistake, the federal government is actively interfering with clean up efforts in the Gulf in order to try and gain support for cap and trade.” She meets with federal officials regularly in her capacity on the FL Homeland Security state committee, and seemed to be repeating what she learned as a result of her position. So, the worst seems to be the case. The federal governement is willing to sacrifice the Gulf states to advance their agenda. I suppose is a weird way that it is a relief that they are not simply incompetant, but exponentially more horrifying that they will throw away an entire region of the country for what they perceive as political gain.

 

Posted by: Roadking at June 30, 2010 06:50 AM (YObWz)

71
Blue Hen, I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions I asked all the Barton-bashers: What did we gain from rebuking Rep Barton? And what did we lose?

Posted by: i like chubby asian chicks, i do at June 30, 2010 06:51 AM (uFokq)

72 Some thoughts:
1. Do you wonder if they see this as a cloud with a sliver lining and a way to push cap and trade, green jobs, reduced US drilling, Increased gov spending, etc. Do you think an admin that sees a really big silver lining may have trouble seeing the cloud?

2. Is racism in play here? How many black fishermen are there? What percentage of beach goers are black? Just asking.

3. Do you think that instead of standing on BP's neck, the admin had sat down with BP they would be better informed? Is BP using dispersants and slow walking the skimming to reduce the provable spillage and reduce their liability?

4. I have seen spills before in NJ and CA, and theyhnever looked like the slime I see on TV from the gulf. Is that an emulsion from the dispersants? Did nobody anticipate that? Not eve the two nobel twins?

Posted by: nine coconuts at June 30, 2010 06:51 AM (DHNp4)

73 Semi-OT: Co-chair of presidential commission argues that oil spill should remind us of the need for alternative energy

Mr Reilly expressed optimism that the disaster was changing the debate among the American public about energy policy, and building support for a faster transition to wind, solar and other low-polluting sources of energy.

“The fundamental problem here is the very heavy dependence and growing dependence on hydrocarbons and fossil fuels. We really do need to accelerate the transition,” he said.

“If we learn nothing from this spill, we should learn that the price of this pace of offshore oil and gas development and risk-taking in deeper and deeper and more difficult to access places is very high. And there are alternatives that will reduce our dependency.”

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 30, 2010 06:52 AM (Yq+qN)

74 "The sad thing is that it's been about three weeks since we had any big oil come in here," marine science technician Michael Malone said"

Not as sad as this inept, criminal administration we're stuck with for another 2.5 years.

Posted by: slug at June 30, 2010 06:52 AM (n8Nln)

75
They hate libertarian and tea party thinkers more than the Progs.

I think know you're right.

Posted by: i like chubby asian chicks, i do at June 30, 2010 06:53 AM (uFokq)

76 "Previous administration.....Bush......inherited.......!!1Katrina!!11.....Cheney.....blah blah blah blah blah blah.....Iraq......Bush.....inherited......

Watch this putt!"


Posted by: Preznit Kick Ass at June 30, 2010 06:53 AM (UOM48)

77

73.

1. Yes

2. Could be. These are red states mostly.

3. yes

4. See #1

Posted by: dagny at June 30, 2010 06:53 AM (tsjZc)

78 Regarding the 99% vs. 99.85% problem: if I were the Dutch, I'd add an extra pump to mix one part of 99% output with 7 parts 100% seawater (just draw it in from much further below the surface) to get to 99.875% purity.

Posted by: t-bird at June 30, 2010 06:54 AM (FcR7P)

79 Incompetence! -  The Green Fuel of Tomorrow.

Posted by: garrett at June 30, 2010 06:54 AM (QRiGH)

80

56-in my opinion blame should stop at the pro-Obama voters.  I hate/hated/hating McCain, voted FOR Sarah. I was banking on Johnny bucking the family longevity. I for one am through with the lesser evils crap.

Posted by: Not Quite at June 30, 2010 06:54 AM (Bs8Te)

81
See that?

We haven't even stopped the leak and already Obama's minions are using the disaster as a teachable moment...that just so happens to advance their silly 'green' agenda.

Posted by: i like chubby asian chicks, i do at June 30, 2010 06:55 AM (uFokq)

82 Blue Hen, I'm still waiting for an answer to my questions I asked all the Barton-bashers: What did we gain from rebuking Rep Barton? And what did we lose?

Posted by: i like chubby asian chicks, i do

 

Actually, I'm in agreement. If we learned anything from the Journolist escapdes, it's that there is at the least a degree of group think and dishonesty going on in the media, and at worst, collusion. If he hadn't said it, then they would have invented it. Supposedly the opinion of the world matters. Until someone else in the world agrees with us.Then we are to disregard them. Some Republicans understand this, and play the go along get along game (Graham). Others actually seek to change this dynamic (Palin)

 

Posted by: Blue Hen at June 30, 2010 06:55 AM (R2fpr)

83 Well whatever we do let's make sure we leave the oil out there until we can Batman ourselves up a miracle machine together that will do better than 99% purity. We really need to hold out for the EPA's 99.9985% standard, even if it kills us.

This is the kind of stuff that:  A)  Lends credibility to the conspiracy theorists in many of us.  Obama didn't cause the leak, but he sure doesn't seem too uncomfortable with it now that it's hear.  B) Would be seized on by every comedian & pundit with a mic to endlessly lash a republican administration had this gone on on their watch.

It does, on some level, make sense if you remember the EPA is full of attorneys.  Attorneys know other attorneys are going to be flocking to the Gulf area to sue anyone and everyone who has anything to do with this cluster flange.  Attorneys who will sue the EPA for relaxing their cleanup guidelines with said relaxation "results" in the sickness of even 1 resident of the area.


Posted by: The Hammer at June 30, 2010 06:55 AM (YBTwf)

84 And again I ask, how quickly would this inept POS act if an oil tanker ran aground and was leaking all over one of Barry's precious Hawaiian islands?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 30, 2010 06:56 AM (UOM48)

85 The EPA becomes obvious when you realize that the eco-zealots from every liberal college in the country for the last 40 years have been flocking there in droves.

They don't specialize in science either. The specialize in eco-religion.

So never expect any kind of common sense from this group of retards.

Posted by: Vic at June 30, 2010 06:57 AM (6taRI)

86 Boehner sliced like a f'in hammer when it was time to stomp on Joe Barton, but where are his statements on Bambi's criminal negligence? Why are we not seeing large groups of GOP officeholders denouncing Bambi's criminal negligence from the Capitol steps EVERY DAMN DAY? Why do we need these cowardly, self-serving fuckers?

Posted by: Bugler at June 30, 2010 06:57 AM (VXBR1)

87

I am now officially a conspiricy theorist.

He is waiting so that the clean up and handing out of gov't money to fishermen, etc. happens in late October. The press will spend the end of Oct. and early Nov. singing his praises.

Posted by: Mama AJ at June 30, 2010 06:59 AM (XdlcF)

88 I don't think this is a conspiracy. I think the man is just unable to handle the responsibilities of the presidency.

Posted by: Ben at June 30, 2010 07:00 AM (wuv1c)

89 Obama just wants to see the US destroyed.  I'm convinced of that now.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at June 30, 2010 07:01 AM (eNxMU)

90

"Wonder when they'll get around to wanting to prosecute Obi for genocide in the Gulf?  Considering all the species he's allowing to die...."

I'm thinking the Democrats are wiping their brow in relief that they haven't pursued a level of animal rights that would allow a lawyer to sue on behalf of an abused pet.  Mull over just how insane the class-actions could have gotten...

Posted by: reason at June 30, 2010 07:01 AM (L51+P)

91
Actually, I'm in agreement.
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I know. I'm not a fargin dunce.

If he hadn't said it, then they would have invented it.
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Exactly. That's why most of don't give a shit about RIP-ing Robert Byrd out of fear that the Left will be watching us.

Posted by: i like chubby asian chicks, i do at June 30, 2010 07:02 AM (uFokq)

92 89 I don't think this is a conspiracy. I think the man is just unable to handle the responsibilities of the presidency.

But it looks suspicious when his allies are using the moment to push alternative fuels & cap-&-trade.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 30, 2010 07:03 AM (Yq+qN)

93
meanwhile...

the Republicans are yukking it up with Elean Kagan at the hearings.

Will someone please remind these assholes a) this is an election year, and b) Elena Kagan hates them and everything they stand for.

Posted by: i like chubby asian chicks, i do at June 30, 2010 07:04 AM (uFokq)

94 "93 Let me be perfectly clear: I was told that there would be no leadership required in this job."

Posted by: John "Studly" Boehner at June 30, 2010 07:04 AM (VXBR1)

95 Posted by: dagny at June 30, 2010 11:31 AM

I think you have to remember that Osama Obama's only MO is to have something/someone else to blame for his own incompetence. As long as the oil flows, the little Mohammedan creep can sit back and say "they did it to me, the racist bastards!"

The Traitor-in-Chief makes Nixon's paranoia look positively sane and calm.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 30, 2010 07:04 AM (Ulu3i)

96 Wonder if King Barry has any celebrity studded events planned for the weekend?  Will we be be "treated" to pics of Michelle sporting her newest boob belt to a cookout?  Because that kind of crap will send the poor Gulf residents over the edge.  Oh, and two Georgia men died in Afghanistan this week.  One a 20 year old Marine, the other a 34 year old soldier.  MFM?  *crickets*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 30, 2010 07:04 AM (UOM48)

97

Posted by: i like chubby asian chicks, i do at June 30, 2010 11:51 AM

I like petite Asian girls.

Anyone who critized Barton for speaking out is nucking futz and an ussy-pay. We have sat back and let the left control the narrative because we are a-skeered that they might twist our words and throw it back in our faces..

..fuhgetaboutit..they're going to pull that shit anyway..remember your recent history?? Trent Lott..George Allen..and the guy who used the word "niggardly"?

What should have happened was that the fellow GOPers and right-leaning bloggers and pundits should have circled the wagon and repeated what he said loud and often..

Instead we got mewling little pussies who rolled over and asked forgiveness?? for fucking what?? It was the truth

 

Posted by: Bubble Ba'athist at June 30, 2010 07:05 AM (AnTyA)

98

Nah.  You,ve got it all wrong!  You obviously forgot such classics as, "We are the ones we've been waiting for,"  and "This is our moment, this is our time."

What is called for here is not action.  Heaven forbid.  What is called for are more meaningless slogans!

Something along the lines of, "We holding out for something good to happen!" or "Don't give up yet, who knows, there's still a chance that we might."

See!  Doesn't that make you feel better already?

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at June 30, 2010 07:06 AM (RkRxq)

99 Given his vast ignorance of European history to date, Obama confuses Dutch with Dane.

 

Posted by: maverick muse at June 30, 2010 07:07 AM (H+LJc)

100
Elena Kagan hates them and everything they stand for.

Nawww, they're good.  They both hate US and everything we stand for.

Posted by: Dang Straights at June 30, 2010 07:07 AM (fx8sm)

101

Still, here are few things he can do with a penstroke, which I trust even he is capable of doing.

One would think so, wouldn't one?

Posted by: Gitmo detainee at June 30, 2010 07:07 AM (cQyWA)

102

I don't understand the purity thing.

Posted by: Ben at June 30, 2010 11:17 AM (wuv1c)




It's a Leftist mindset.  Thomas Sowell outlines it in his awesome book Conflict of Visions.  Basically Leftists think mankind is capable of being perfect and performing everything perfectly.  So if  a prospective solution to a problem contains error, it must be discarded, because a perfect solution just has to exist.

One doesn't have to believe in God to realize how fundamentally *in error* is the idea that any human/human action can always be flawless.

Apply the perfection reasoning to people and one can conclude how Hitler, Stalin, etc. achieved the high body counts they did.  Get rid of the "imperfect" people.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 30, 2010 07:08 AM (pWXnd)

103 The 15 PPB  crap is SOP for the EPA. The Bush administration fought their rules regarding coal plant mercury emissions. From what I recall, if an operator tried to upgrade or install filters, or expand, they had to revamp the whole facility since they would lose their grandfathering and have to meet the latest, very high, standards. Their response was to keep running the old plants without any improvements.

Bush wanted a trading scheme, but the environmentalists and the Dems  held firm complaining that every plant had to meet the highest standards or gia would cry.

Posted by: nine coconuts at June 30, 2010 07:08 AM (DHNp4)

104 Thank goodness for the loyal opposition. Otherwise, there'd be no check on Bambi's malfeasance.

Posted by: GOP Robot at June 30, 2010 07:08 AM (VXBR1)

105

Like Mama AJ, since there are no other rational explanations, I am forced to believe that Obama is handling this just the way he wants to, and that he intends those affected (and that region of the country) to suffer as they are.

The President will not act to stop this in any meaningful way.

Posted by: Who Knows at June 30, 2010 07:08 AM (7FgWm)

106
You know, for a guy who has repeated the phrase "We must face the challenges of our time" over a thousand times, Obama blew it on this oil spill.



Posted by: i like chubby asian chicks, i do at June 30, 2010 07:08 AM (uFokq)

107

Certainly there are common sense things that The Vapid One™ could do.

Which insures, of course, that they won't be done.

We are so screwed...until November.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 30, 2010 07:09 AM (i3AsK)

108

Posted by: i like chubby asian chicks, i do at June 30, 2010 12:04 PM

Well, hello sailor

Posted by: Margaret Cho at June 30, 2010 07:09 AM (AnTyA)

109
Remember "We must act swiftly and boldly" to fix everything?

Posted by: i like chubby asian chicks, i do at June 30, 2010 07:10 AM (uFokq)

110 Posted by: i like chubby asian chicks, i do at June 30, 2010 12:04 PM

The current Republican officeholders/welfare recipients are nothing but self-centered, out-of-touch fuckweasels. In short, they are Democrat-Lites.

Every one of them deserves the same fate as Osama Obama, Hairy Reid and Nanzi Pelosi: their worthless butts need to be removed from office ASAP.

Kagan should be opposed, long and loudly. But worthless assclowns like Sessions, Graham and Hatch are too damn inbred and senile to fight for principles. They'll go along with anything to keep their cushy gigs.

D.C. needs to be cleaned out. Not sure Lysol or ammonia would erase the stain or current government will leave behind.

Posted by: MrScribbler at June 30, 2010 07:10 AM (Ulu3i)

111 While I dispise Obama and his administration here I also hold the repubs partially responsable for their inaction too. If Obama won't then goddamn it someone pick up the ball and get in the game.

Posted by: Bosk at June 30, 2010 07:10 AM (pUO5u)

112 The douchebag on AMessNBC just pronounced Amy Klobuchar's name as Claw-Barker

Posted by: Bubble Ba'athist at June 30, 2010 07:10 AM (AnTyA)

113 "someone pick up the ball and get in the game." Dude! We're ridin' this train right over the cliff, baby!

Posted by: GOP Leadership at June 30, 2010 07:12 AM (VXBR1)

114

Obama in 2012:  Embrace the Malaise

Posted by: Wodeshed at June 30, 2010 07:13 AM (MFbfZ)

115 30

But I've come to the conclusion that the Traitor-in-Chief wants the spill to continue for political reasons. It gives him demons to attack (BP) and lets him pretend to be the dynamic, effective leader he is in his own mind.

That's what it looks like but it doesn't make any sense. Why would looking like a total inept golf-playing douche help him? I don't see the end game here unless it's to so demonize oil that they force through legislation which drives up the cost, or adds taxes to the point of further economic disaster, if that indeed is his actual goal.

I go back and forth about whether this admin are idiots or demons.

Posted by: dagny at June 30, 2010 11:31 AM (sjesa)








Also, don't forget the ultimate goal: remaking America; "perfecting" it.  To do that, America as it has existed must be destroyed.  To be honest, that goal makes it so that I haven't totally ruled out the notion that the destruction of BP's oil platform was sabotage.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 30, 2010 07:13 AM (pWXnd)

116 # 114    That's ok. She has alternative pronunciations. The President enjoys speaking of "corpsemen", for example.

Posted by: Who Knows at June 30, 2010 07:13 AM (7FgWm)

117

It's a Leftist mindset.  Thomas Sowell outlines it in his awesome book Conflict of Visions.  Basically Leftists think mankind is capable of being perfect and performing everything perfectly.

That's basically the definition of Rousseau's noble savage

..mix that up with 19th century German nihilism..served with a slab of Marxism and you have modern liberalism

Posted by: Bubble Ba'athist at June 30, 2010 07:15 AM (AnTyA)

118

Also, I would like to conjecture that, had this happened under a Republican President...

1)  The Jones Act would have gone away immediately.  News coverage would have highlighted how, in this tough economy, our president didn't care about taking measures to keep Americans employed.  Footage of foreign-flagged ships settling into the Gulf would be juxstaposed with poor union bums sitting around, doing nothing, wishing they could be out there taking mandatory breaks working.

2)  EPA purity standards would have been lifted.  News coverage would have questioned whether or not these ships, pumping out oily water, were doing more harm than good.  Speculation on the carbon footprint that these ships, their big mean diesel engines, and their big mean skimming equipment, were leaving would have also been offered.

3)  Actual monitoring equipment would have been placed on-site, instead of just mathemeticians watching the video feed while doing "estimations."  News coverage would have incorporated some sort of graphic app with rolling numbers, illustrating just how many barrels gallons (gallons is a much larger number) have been dumped into the gulf, with millisecond granularity.  Gallons of oil would be the metric for this, not days, although days has eventually become equally damning.

4)  BP would have been taken out of the loop on solving the problem far earlier, possibly before the failed first "top hat," and certainly no later than the failed second "top hat."  Federal intervention would have followed, and a 100% containment solution would certainly be in place well before Day 70.  News coverage on this matter would have focused on how much taxpayer money was used to solve this little problem "for" BP, rather than making BP pay for it.  BP's stock, which likely would have taken less of a hit, since they would have been saved the embarassment of 60 days' futzing around with non-solvers, would be ferreted out in every Executive Branch advisor's, every Republican Congressmans's retirement portfolios, for the sake of "just asking questions."  YOU, the taxpayer, payed to plug BP's hole, so that THEY, the Evil Republicans, could salvage their stock holdings!

Posted by: reason at June 30, 2010 07:15 AM (wEYaf)

119

In a few months, he will be claiming victory.

The oil will be cleaned up, but there will be visible damage to the wetlands.

He will then take all the credit for the clean up.

He will praise the EPA's standards that made sure we didn't rush into using methods that caused problems. (cue video of the one and only bird that died due to something Gov. Jindal did)

He will give a "never again" speech on how we need to stop drilling and drive around in windmill powered cars or something.

The Republicans will be shocked that the media is spinning everything to make him look good.

Posted by: Mama AJ at June 30, 2010 07:16 AM (XdlcF)

120

maybe he hates the dutch for their involvement in Africa in the 1800s-1900s. I think that is why he hated England.

The dutch were colonialists too.

Posted by: Ben at June 30, 2010 11:48 AM (wuv1c)





He hates Western Civilization.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 30, 2010 07:16 AM (pWXnd)

121

Posted by: baldilocks at June 30, 2010 12:13 PM

Hey Juliette..

Howz about breakfast sometime? I promise I'll wake you up gently.

Posted by: Bubble Ba'athist at June 30, 2010 07:17 AM (AnTyA)

122 Man, wasn't it cool the way we stomped Joe Barton's guts out? We're the shit, I'm telling you. What? Nobody's cleaning up the oil? No comment.

Posted by: Eric "The Brute" Cantor at June 30, 2010 07:17 AM (VXBR1)

123 If Obama doesn't start cleaning up the oil, I'm definitely going to begin planning to say something about it at some point in the future. Integrity demands it!

Posted by: Mike "Stonewall" Pence at June 30, 2010 07:20 AM (VXBR1)

124

Posted by: Who Knows at June 30, 2010 12:13 PM

...and belives in the epantsipation of all poeples

Posted by: Bubble Ba'athist at June 30, 2010 07:21 AM (AnTyA)

125 Oil spill?  What oil spill?

Posted by: Michael Steele at June 30, 2010 07:21 AM (VuLos)

126 85 And again I ask, how quickly would this inept POS act if an oil tanker ran aground and was leaking all over one of Barry's precious Hawaiian islands?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at June 30, 2010 11:56 AM (UOM4





He wouldn't care.  Part of the job: destruction.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 30, 2010 07:21 AM (pWXnd)

127 I've said it before and I'll say it again: Bob Michels was a helluva man. A HELLuva man .

Posted by: Mitch McConnell at June 30, 2010 07:22 AM (VXBR1)

128

Hey Juliette..

Howz about breakfast sometime? I promise I'll wake you up gently.

Posted by: Bubble Ba'athist at June 30, 2010 12:17 PM (AnTyA)





I think I've just been rendered speechless...lol

Posted by: baldilocks at June 30, 2010 07:23 AM (pWXnd)

129 120 --

Mostly agree, but ...

I think the hubbub about remote guesstimating is off point. There is no way to estimate the amount laked by looking at the videos or modeling  and there is no way to measure in situ. The best way to know how much is leaking is to suck it up and monitor spill size on the surface.

The left is all bent about how BP lied and BP hid the video. But I think the reality is that (a) the leak increased dramatically , especially the first few weeks and after BP tried the top kill and then cut the riser. (b) BP is using dispersants to make the oil impossilble to collect and measure. Instead of collecting it, like the rest of the world does, They are dispersing it and making a mess. This is being done with government (headed by Steven Chu, who has a Noble prize) oversight.

Posted by: nine coconuts at June 30, 2010 07:23 AM (DHNp4)

130 But but but... Hey, over there... NPR says Jindal started a war with The Lord of The Manor... I mean, the White House! Jindal Jindal Jindal I can't hear you wingnuts Jindal

Posted by: B. H. Obama at June 30, 2010 07:23 AM (AZGON)

131 Isn't time for another all out party at the White House again? I'll bet Sir Paul wouldn't mind coming over the pond again and telling us we shouldn't be criticizing Obama at all.

Posted by: Who Knows at June 30, 2010 07:24 AM (7FgWm)

132

@ 120

Reason, here's #5"

The spill would be capped by now, the economic and ecologic disasters having been minimized as much as possible. The Republican administration reviews all the EPA regulations that contributed to the slowness of the response and mitigation, and dissolves the agency. The President holds a press conference (complete with charts) to show exactly what was done and when, refuting the false narrative painted by the MFM.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at June 30, 2010 07:26 AM (i3AsK)

133 Happy to see baldi here again... How is it that so many on our side find it impossible to imagine Barry hates the nation he strove to rule? Where did he spend twenty years going to church? Did no one see what was in Barry's "autobiographies?" I would love to hear baldi slap silly someone like Mike Medved in a conversation and debate about Barry and his actual views of this nation.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 30, 2010 07:27 AM (AZGON)

134 "133 Isn't time for another all out party at the White House again? I'll bet Sir Paul wouldn't mind coming over the pond again and telling us we shouldn't be criticizing Obama at all. Posted by: Who Knows at June 30, 2010 12:24 PM (7FgWm)" Hell, yeah. We get to par-tay, slob knobs, and get a free drunk, and Bambi gets the blame.

Posted by: The Loyal Opposition, Blameless as Usual at June 30, 2010 07:27 AM (VXBR1)

135 @133 - I think it's Sting's turn to tell us that.

Posted by: reason at June 30, 2010 07:30 AM (wEYaf)

136 Hmmm....evil or stupid?  Stupid or evil?

I gotta go with both.

Posted by: Wodeshed at June 30, 2010 07:30 AM (MFbfZ)

137
The other day Obama said he didn't understand why people were acting surprised when he was doing the things he said he was going to do.

He's right. Obama is doing exactly what he said he was gonna do: reform America.

Posted by: i like chubby asian chicks at June 30, 2010 07:30 AM (uFokq)

138 131 120 They have collected a moderate amount through the drilling of the relief wells. I don't quite understand why they didn't use this method 1st.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 30, 2010 07:32 AM (Yq+qN)

139

I don't understand the purity thing.

I would think if a machine could take out even 1% of the oil, then it would be worth using it. Isn't a 1% reduction in hundreds of millions of gallons of oil better than nothing?

It's a Green Religion thing, intended to hobble industry and hasten our return to the utopia of mud huts, short lives, cold and malnutrition.


Posted by: Rob Crawford at June 30, 2010 07:32 AM (ZJ/un)

140 He's right. Obama is doing exactly what he said he was gonna do: reform America. All too true. What I can't decide is if people surprised at Barry's actions, like Noonan and Althouse are disingenuous or plain stupid.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 30, 2010 07:34 AM (AZGON)

141

"headed by Steven Chu, who has a Nobel prize"

I keep forgetting about that...

Posted by: reason at June 30, 2010 07:34 AM (wEYaf)

142 Don't worry, America. We've got some funny-ass videos in the works.

Posted by: The Loyal Opposition, Blameless as Usual at June 30, 2010 07:35 AM (VXBR1)

143

"Obama is doing exactly what he said he was gonna do: reform America."

To use the exact phrase, for full chilling effect...
"fundamentally transform[ing] America."

Posted by: reason at June 30, 2010 07:36 AM (wEYaf)

144 "fundamentally transform[ing] America." He knows he can count on us!

Posted by: The Loyal Opposition, Blameless as Usual at June 30, 2010 07:37 AM (VXBR1)

145

1. There is no way that he is letting this damage go on purposefully. Can ineptitude really explain all of these foul ups though? It's getting to strange.

Why is there no way? He wants to make it impossible for the US to produce the energy we need to maintain our economy; he wants to impoverish us. Horrible scenes of oil washing up on the beaches of the Redneck Riviera give him the emotional punch he needs with the poorly educated. A competent, swift, effective response would have let people know we can handle this kind of disaster, and would go against his goals.

And if you doubt what I said about his desire to impoverish us -- remember what he said about bankrupting any company that wants to build a coal plant. He's also zeroed out the budget for the Yucca Mountain nuclear waste depository -- despite Congress funding it. Now he's imposed a de facto moratorium on drilling for oil and natural gas.

The only sources of energy left are the crap "Green" stuff that doesn't work. That means energy's going to be more expensive -- and expensive energy means poverty for the bulk of humanity.


Posted by: Rob Crawford at June 30, 2010 07:38 AM (ZJ/un)

146 135 Happy to see baldi here again...

How is it that so many on our side find it impossible to imagine Barry hates the nation he strove to rule? Where did he spend twenty years going to church? Did no one see what was in Barry's "autobiographies?"

I would love to hear baldi slap silly someone like Mike Medved in a conversation and debate about Barry and his actual views of this nation.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 30, 2010 12:27 PM (AZGON) 





Hey, Mr. Orwell.  I probably wouldn't be any good on a talk show.  Too emotional, that emotion being anger.

The reason so many don't want to see the picture Barack Obama drew and is still drawing is because of the conclusions that follow.  Even in the best-case scenario, the solutions to our problem will be ugly.  And painful.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 30, 2010 07:38 AM (pWXnd)

147

Miss80's - IIRC, the relief wells were started almost immediately after the blowout.  The problem is that they take time to drill, so the results weren't going to be immediate.  I recall hearing the talking heads on the news take a tone of pure flabbergast over how that solution was a solid 60 days away!

So the clock was ticking...what would be done in the interim?  Now we've seen the answer:  GOLF.

I believe that the relief wells will be fully operational by August.  Barry's gonna have to find somthing new and fresh to ignore come fall.

Posted by: reason at June 30, 2010 07:40 AM (wEYaf)

148 MFM: Oil leak? What oil leak? Hey what is Sarah Palin wearing today?!?!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at June 30, 2010 07:43 AM (1Jaio)

149 The reason so many don't want to see the picture Barack Obama drew and is still drawing is because of the conclusions that follow. It still, after nearly two years, amazes me to no end. I suppose the only thing to explain it is willful disbelief. Like lying to yourself that your spouse is cheating even though you find mysterious bedstains and receipts from unknown hotels. And a lack of love and attention. And having your spouse tell you he has a different view of marriage and fidelity than you do. He told us who he is, there was plenty of local reporting on him well before the election. He even said he is a blank screen upon which people project their own ideas. The really frightening part is not who Barry is, but that a vast horde of voters deliberately chose fantasy and ignorance over open eyes.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 30, 2010 07:45 AM (AZGON)

150  

Oh, and thank you obamavoters and purity test conservatives. --Posted by dagny

As we did in our home, I would venture to think that most at Ace voted the Republican ticket for McCain/Palin BECAUSE THAT WAS THE BEST WE WERE OFFERED.

THAT is still our problem. A lot of discussion occurred regarding the absolute necessity for a comprehensive reform process for the GOP PRIMARY system in place. Steele feigns all is well minding the RNC run by progressive NON-conservatives.

You eschew "purity test conservatives" as if demanding our candidates and elected officials in office to uphold constitutional conservatism is an obtuse expectation.

If ever we needed CONSTITUTIONAL "purity test conservatives" in office, it's NOW. Given so many incumbents still playing nice with Kagan, any endorsement or vote on her behalf proves which Republicans are Marxist enablers, not measuring up to my purity test for conservatives.

Symbiotic liberty of spirit and free trade coexist. Remove one, the other suffers a mortal blow. And since the social conservatives ran the Republican agenda last majority season, it is economic conservatives turn to have unified conservative support to RESCIND every piece of major legislation that Obama will have signed into law. I endorse a union of conservatism explained by Goldwater as enabling the "whole man" (American Thinker, "Of Goldwater" 2010/06/25).

That remains the Libertarian agenda also expressed at the Mises website and the Daily Bell.

Speaking of now, it's still primary campaign season when the expectations that voters have of their chosen candidates had better have mutual commitment.



Posted by: maverick muse at June 30, 2010 07:45 AM (H+LJc)

151 BP is using dispersants to make the oil impossilble to collect and measure. Instead of collecting it, like the rest of the world does, They are dispersing it and making a mess. This is being done with government (headed by Steven Chu, who has a Noble prize) oversight.

BP used dispersants because that's what the plan for a leak like this called for. They were forced to stop using them by the EPA, which decided (a decade after the plan was approved) the dispersants were a hazard themselves.

The government has been doing all it can to make this spill worse, including the threats of criminal prosecution WHILE the attempts to stop the leak were going on. That forces anyone sane to waste money and time on their legal defense, rather than on fixing the problem.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at June 30, 2010 07:46 AM (ZJ/un)

152 149 You're right, I don't know why I forgot that. My understanding is that they are ahead of schedule, & that they may be finished by mid-to-late-July instead of August. Regardless, I think it would have been wise to educate the public about this earlier. They have a video about it at their website, but I think people might be a bit more patient with them if they had explained this earlier.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 30, 2010 07:46 AM (Yq+qN)

153 I don't think this is a conspiracy. I think the man is just unable to handle the responsibilities of the presidency.

Ok. Incompetent malevolence.  Or, malevolent incompetence.  That's where you're so stupid, you're evil.  Or, you're so evil, you're stupid.

Either one fits.

Posted by: GulfCoastTider at June 30, 2010 07:47 AM (x2J54)

154 "Posted by: maverick muse at June 30, 2010 12:45 PM (H+LJc)" Can't we all just get along? ("Sniff")

Posted by: The Loyal Opposition, Blameless as Usual at June 30, 2010 07:47 AM (VXBR1)

155 I'm not a Reagan neoconservative.

I'm a Goldwater Conservative.

From Quin Hillyer "Of Goldwater":
Conservatives are interested in the whole man, while the radical-liberals confine their interest to the material side of his nature. Conservatives believe that man is in part an economic and animal creature, but that he is also a spiritual creature with spiritual needs and spiritual desires.… The conservative respects the individuality of man, realizing that man's spiritual and material development is not something that can be directed by outside forces. Every man, for his individual good and the good of his society, is responsible for his own development. The choices that govern his life are choices that he, not a super-state, must make. And these are choices that must involve the whole man [emphasis Goldwater's own], if they are to be the right choices. If life were concerned only with material things, as the Liberal approach indicates, then I suppose the conduct of some men might be justified. The materialistic philosophies of Marx and Engels, which call for the suppression of the individual and glorify the collective, are only acceptable to people who deny the possibility of a more significant explanation for man's existence….

    "The Liberals, with their emphasis on collectivism and conformity, and their willingness to use compulsion to achieve their ends, are actually suggesting a course of action which thoughtful men have rejected throughout history. The reason man must be treated as an individual is because he has an individual immortal soul. Thus, his freedom comes from God -- as do all of his rights. In the scheme of things, government's only proper role is in the protection of man's God-given freedoms and rights. [All emphases again are Goldwater's own.]

    The conservative recognizes that the concentration of power in the hands of the few has always been the undoing of those who aspired to the fruits of freedom. Aware of the overbearing evidence of history as to the truth of this postulate, the conservative is fearful of the concentration of power which accompanies central government.

And then, with high relevance today, this: "I am convinced that most Americans now want to reverse the trend. I think that concern for our vanishing freedoms is genuine. I think that the people's uneasiness in the stifling omnipresence of government has turned into something approaching alarm…."

If this doesn't sound like an erudite explanation of the roots of the TEA Party phenomenon, you're not paying attention. If Goldwater's warnings don't sound like today's concerns about the Obamites, you're not listening. If the late Arizona senator and today's Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina (for one example) do not look like philosophical twins, your eyesight clearly has grown dim. (As an aside: It is too bad the current senior senator from Arizona, John McCain, understands all this no better than a rooster comprehends Aquinas. One can always hope that his primary threat from J.D. Hayworth can make McCain learn.)

Goldwater's ideals stem from classic, limited-government, libertarian-leaning wisdom. They are ideals that echo today in the well-expressed beliefs of Ohio's Joe the Plumber, and of the furniture refinisher in Spanish Fort, Alabama, and of the Sarah Palin-admiring young mother in Pocatello, Idaho. These people's concern for vanishing freedoms is genuine. Their uneasiness about stiflingly omnipresent government approaches alarm. And they are absolutely right to feel that way.

But note what Goldwater said about "the whole man." Note that the concerns are not merely economic or material. Note that both the roots and the fruits of conservatism are spiritual as well. And note that the spiritual and material parts of conservatism are not an "either/or" proposition, but a "both/and." They are necessarily so. They are not two separate features grafted into a coalition, but naturally part and parcel of each other and mutually dependent on each other as complementary features of a single whole.

Posted by: maverick muse at June 30, 2010 07:48 AM (H+LJc)

156 Again, I think we should all say a big thank you to the 52% of "Americans" that voted for this fraud. And by a big thank you I mean a kick in the nads.

Posted by: Bosk at June 30, 2010 07:48 AM (pUO5u)

157 153 I see that the presidential commission is also going to drag all the execs not only to DC but to town meetings in Gulf. They are dragging these people away from their desks when they have more valuable work to do. Really don't see the point (at this juncture), other than to make an example of them to distract people from the govt's ineptitude & woeful response.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 30, 2010 07:52 AM (Yq+qN)

158 The government has been doing all it can to make this spill worse, including the threats of criminal prosecution WHILE the attempts to stop the leak were going on. That forces anyone sane to waste money and time on their legal defense, rather than on fixing the problem.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at June 30, 2010 12:46 PM (ZJ/un)





Makes the case for sabotage.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 30, 2010 07:54 AM (pWXnd)

159 Sorry for harshing the mellow but I can't hold it in any longer.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 30, 2010 08:00 AM (pWXnd)

160 The govt should have allowed the courts to judge in these matters, after the commissions complete their investigations. As it is, I'll have a hard time believing a blue-ribbon panel full of true eco Nazis.

Posted by: Miss'80sBaby at June 30, 2010 08:00 AM (Yq+qN)

161 It is not that difficult to understand that Barry doesn't care about what damage the spill does to them rednecks and Texans. That is the easy part. He really doesn't care, his way of life won't be affected. However, argue that the continuing spill damages him politically, and one wonders why he isn't doing what he can to stop it. Dozens of ideas abound. Can it be on account of mere stupidity? The possibility that Barry thinks this is not going to hurt him politically would explain much about his apathy. Consider the bubble of solipsism and army of yes-men that surround him. Also remember that the MFM will continue to say Barry is doing a fine job on the spill no matter what he does, and Barry knows that. Barry may actually think that little blame will accrue to him and the MFM will make sure BP and oil companies bear all the opprobrium. I was thinking "How can he not want to stop the leak, so he can take credit for it?" Well, he probably believes we believe the MFM spin on the whole thing, and he can do no wrong. Even if he plays golf from now until 2012.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 30, 2010 08:05 AM (AZGON)

162 "The possibility that Barry thinks this is not going to hurt him politically would explain much about his apathy." You can count on us to continue our hands-off approach.

Posted by: The Loyal Opposition, Blameless as Usual at June 30, 2010 08:07 AM (VXBR1)

163

It's like this dumbasses. I stop the skimmers because they might fuck sea turtles up or some dumb shit like that.

As a result, everything gets fucked up.

Get it?

Posted by: Barack's Putter at June 30, 2010 08:14 AM (LBXax)

164 163

The possibility that Barry thinks this is not going to hurt him politically would explain much about his apathy.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 30, 2010 01:05 PM (AZGON)




Because any political harm to him is irrelevant.  Think about what we're dealing with here--the larger, overarching "what"--and think about the ultimate goal.  If it is true that the goal is the destruction of America as we know it, then, to him and his ilk, politics are meaningless in the scheme of things.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 30, 2010 08:34 AM (pWXnd)

165

Its not just Obama.  Where is the rest of the F'ing federal government?  The head of the EPA, the Admiral supposedly running the show in the Gulf.  Where are they on this?  why aren't they raising bloody hell?

Answer, I think:  the whole damn. fed gov't has to go, including but not limited to Maobama.  Implode it all and start over. 

Posted by: Louis Tully at June 30, 2010 08:38 AM (jat5l)

166 "Its not just Obama. Where is the rest of the F'ing federal government? The head of the EPA, the Admiral supposedly running the show in the Gulf. Where are they on this? why aren't they raising bloody hell?" And where's the GOP?

Posted by: Bugler at June 30, 2010 08:39 AM (VXBR1)

167 This oil won't stop leaking until there's some kind of economic recovery.  I'm convinced they're allowing it to continue so it can take up headline space rather than pieces about the depression.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at June 30, 2010 08:42 AM (AeTX+)

168

People, people...

Obama won't relax the regulations hampering the containment and cleanup efforts because he thinks regulations are in themselves the solutions to problems.

His only significant professional experience is as a legislator. He's been trained to believe that the way to solve a problem is to pass a law and have regulations issued to implement that law. As far as legislators are concerned, the problem disappears once the law is signed.

Only people with executive experience understand that laws and the real world often don't play well together. A Governor knows that Federal regulations and red tape aren't solutions, but rather constraints on possible solutions. Presidents who once were Governors therefore know that sometimes you waive the Federal regulations that were important during normal times so that you can deal rapidly and effectively with extraordinary times.

Obama doesn't know that.

Posted by: stuiec at June 30, 2010 08:43 AM (7AOgy)

169 It has been noted by persons far more learned and in-the-know than I am, that, outside of the DOD, the federal government has been a bastion of Leftism.  And a goodly portion of the DOD has that element also, if a minority.

Posted by: baldilocks at June 30, 2010 08:44 AM (pWXnd)

170 I was thinking "How can he not want to stop the leak, so he can take credit for it?" Well, he probably believes we believe the MFM spin on the whole thing, and he can do no wrong. Even if he plays golf from now until 2012.

Posted by: George Orwell at June 30, 2010 01:05 PM (AZGON)

In his mind, he no longer has the power to stop the leak.  Only Congress and the regulatory agencies do.  In his world, laws and regulations solve problems, and all you have to do is pass a new law or write a new regulation (preferably with a new regulatory body to enforce it) and the problem is solved.

Posted by: stuiec at June 30, 2010 08:45 AM (7AOgy)

171 Personally, I'm sick and fuckin tired of Obamas little 'quips' while most of the Gulf Coast is SUFFERING.

"I can't suck it up with a straw"  "I can't just dive down there and plug it"

You fucking worthless piece of SHIT.  Your ass should be impeached for criminal negligence.

I love wildlife.  I won't cripple the country to protect it, but GOD DAMMIT it breaks my heart to see all the dead animals that would not be if that fuckin "Community Organizer" did the right hing in the first place instead of USING THIS CRISIS to push his Economy crippling agenda.

Fucking waste of god dammned SPACE.

"Community Organizer.."

JE  ZUZ

Posted by: MelodicMetal at June 30, 2010 08:46 AM (x4S2a)

172 All these federal regulations are like death panels for the gulf.

Posted by: doug at June 30, 2010 08:52 AM (vp89z)

173 Barack's Putter at June 30, 2010 01:14 PM

No lie.  That is exactly what I just heard on NPR.  It's for the turtles.

Posted by: John Galt at June 30, 2010 08:59 AM (F/4zf)

174 Face it, Obama is not letting this crisis go to waste. He is going to have every agency in his control obstruct, interfere and thwart every effort to clean this up until he gets the energy bill he wants. You know the one with the cap and trade that will turn George Soros from a Billionaire into a Trillionaire. That one.

Until then the Gulf is his hostage and Obama doesn't give a fuck if everything dies like Lake Erie.


Posted by: Ronsonic at June 30, 2010 09:04 AM (VTm+A)

175

"Waive the Jones Act" has the potential to become the next "keep your powder dry" -- used in other contexts.  It's so emblematic of everything wrong with government, from stultified and imperious bureaucracy, to special interest pandering. 

Obama has a little more time to get on top of this before the spill goes Gulf Stream, Atlantic, and ironically, the UK and Europe.  If he thinks this will go away if he ignores it, which seems to be his default crisis-management strategy, he's very wrong. 

 

Posted by: Beagle at June 30, 2010 09:18 AM (sOtz/)

176 His only significant professional experience is as a legislator. He's been trained to believe that the way to solve a problem is to pass a law and have regulations issued to implement that law. As far as legislators are concerned, the problem disappears once the law is signed.

I strenuously disagree.

His only experience is as a shakedown artist.  He has never been anything more than a Community Organizer.  All he knows how to do is to agitate.

Outside of protection payments, there are no solutions within his limited mental grasp.

Posted by: MikeO at June 30, 2010 09:23 AM (lBmZl)

177 If it was a Republican in office, we'd be hearing cries of "crimes against humanity."

Posted by: brak at June 30, 2010 09:44 AM (W5NBA)

178

If you could only get the spilled oil onto a piece of mirror, then cut it into nice lines with a razor blade, then Barry has lots of experience sucking it up with a straw.

If you know what I mean, and I think you do.

Posted by: SGT Dan at June 30, 2010 11:01 AM (GgXZc)

179 Resign! 

Posted by: gary gulrud at June 30, 2010 11:15 AM (/g2vP)

180 Clearly, another example of dealing with a serious issue that is "above his pay-grade".

I say, dock him!

Posted by: Chris at June 30, 2010 12:36 PM (t1iPt)

181 The AP reported 45 minutes or so ago that the A-Whale finally was being deployed in the Gulf. They spin it so that it sounds like it just got finished being retrofitted, and this is the earliest time it could have been used. They mention that it still needs a waive from the EPA, and of course do not mention that anyone has been trying to get the damn waiver since day 3 after the spill began, though the Dutch skimmers started way back then. But if the EPA finally is under pressure to get off the dime, that's a good thing. We should all be leaning as hard as we can on our Senators and Congressmen.

Posted by: Texan99 at June 30, 2010 07:16 PM (GxnNk)

182 Q:  What candidate in 2012 won't be scart  of "going negative" and will best articulate all this clinically ignorant shit?  Thank God we won't have McCain there to tell us all the Gulf is off limits.

Posted by: Sojourner at July 01, 2010 12:58 AM (i2kEw)

183 Wouldn't 99.998% purity turn the sea water into drinking water?  The point is to get the oil out, not turn it into drinking water.

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