December 31, 2006

Tim Johnson's Duration In Coma "Unusual"
— Ace

...according to a doctor (not one treating him, just asked for comment), whose opinion is now deleted from a WaPo article.

Dr. Keith Siller, director of the Comprehensive Stroke Care Center at NYU Medical Center and assistant professor at the NYU School of Medicine, said it is unusual for a patient to be sedated after brain surgery for more than a few days.

"The two-week period is longer than I would be happy with," he said.

Question: Why was this quote deleted? Did they get the quote wrong? Did they discover Dr. Keith Siller was not an expert on the subject? Or did they just decide they didn't want to add fuel to the low-heat fire to remove Johnson from the Senate and thus imperil Democratic control?


Remember when I suggested a Schiavo-Johnson comparison? Mickey Kaus credits Tim Noah as being the "only" person with "the balls" to speculate on a "partisan do-si-doh" on Johnson, with liberals now believing so long as you're alive, you're alive.

Well, he's an idiot and he wasn't the first.

Actually, he doesn't knock liberals. It's Kaus who more-evenhandedly suggests a change in position by both sides.

Noah, an absurd hack, of course sees this through the prism of conservative hypocrisy only, wondering if Tom DeLay would support legislation to prevent a feeding tube being removed from Tim Johnson, should it come to that.

Well, that's jackass; how about looking at the liberal hypocrisy? Are liberals now maintaining that someone who as of yet demonstrates no motor, speech, or other higher brain activity can remain a sitting Senator?

Terry Schiavo was in much worse shape, as I've said, but the issue there was only if she should be permitted to live, not permitted to continue "serving" as a US Senator in a seriously impaired state.

So there's not really any conservative hypocrisy on this. We pressed to keep Terry Schiavo alive, not to put her in charge of, say, the TSA.

Although, seriously, she wouldn't have been worse than the current regime.


Posted by: Ace at 04:08 PM | Comments (62)
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1 Kos sez:

Screw that! There's rethuglican hordes to keep at bay! Breathing? Alive enough to pass legislation we favor, and therefore alive enough to allow federal intervention if neccessary.

Posted by: Good Lt at December 31, 2006 04:11 PM (D0TMh)

2 You reap what you sow.

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2006 04:12 PM (FWrFx)

3 Noah of course sees this, predictably, through the prism of conservative hypocrisy, wondering if Tom DeLay would support legislation to prevent a feeding tube being removed from Tim Johnson, should it come to that.


Considering that's not what DeLay did in congress, I am always saddened by how liberal lies become memes people repeat without thinking. Tim Blair is doing his best to demolish the Plastic Turkey lie, but it still makes the rounds.


The problem is that leftists have a faith, not a philosophy. The positions they hold aren't based on reason and fact, they are based on belief, hope, and repeated dogma.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 31, 2006 04:17 PM (FuM7z)

4 wow!  He's "responsive" to his wife!  Just like terry schiavo's eyes would follow family members around the room!

I wonder how we will intuit his voting on bills from a bit of blinking and eye movement?


Posted by: ace at December 31, 2006 04:19 PM (4qddO)

5

“He is opening his eyes and is responsive to his wife.”


That's more than one can say about Swimmer Kennedy.


Posted by: Blimpweiner_Woo at December 31, 2006 04:22 PM (41Dd+)

6 Remember when I suggested a Schiavo-Johnson comparison?

Vaguely... :-)

Posted by: JavaMan at December 31, 2006 04:26 PM (8s/zO)

7 We can get a "response" out of a dead man...

Posted by: Naughty Nurses at December 31, 2006 04:37 PM (GlKkD)

8 RIGHT ON!

AND HAPPY NEW YEAR!

Posted by: reliapundit at December 31, 2006 04:39 PM (H6Lch)

9 I'm available for special therapy sessions. Have your people call me Tim.

Posted by: Scarlett Johanssen at December 31, 2006 04:45 PM (GlKkD)

10

I'm available for special therapy sessions. Have your people call me Tim.


I thought your name was Scarlett.


Posted by: cranky at December 31, 2006 05:13 PM (Xj2Ev)

11 It would be interesting if a Lexis-Nexis search turned up Johnson being in favor of pulling the plug on a loved one.

Or if it becomes public that Johnson and his wife discussed any type of DNR plan.

If the senator is as bad as I suspect, the family and staff will not be able to hide it for much longer.

Posted by: Bart at December 31, 2006 05:45 PM (hXQn6)

12 It's new years eve. Go party and stop being so morbid. If Sen. Johnson doesn't make it back within a short enough time frame, most likely another month, they will have to remove him as a senator due to his incapicity. There is no logical way to argue otherwise.
Yes, I know we're talking about the fanatical left where logic isn't a strong point, but there's still no way to keep him in office. Still, we should all be praying for him and hoping for him to return to health. He's far from the worst of the bunch in Congress. Now if this happened to Tubby Teddy, well, all bets are off.

Happy New Year!

Posted by: NJRob at December 31, 2006 05:54 PM (CJ5+Y)

13 I don't think the good doctor has any problems whatsoever with establishing his fficial&client=firefox-a">expert credentials.

I'm inclined to believe him.

Replace the ** with oo.

Posted by: Birkel at December 31, 2006 05:57 PM (GmBEx)

14 It would be interesting if a Lexis-Nexis search turned up Johnson being in favor of pulling the plug on a loved one.

From Senator Johnson's website, March 28, 2005:

"Terry Schiavo's sad and tragic case should, among other things, remind us all of the important voluntary option of having a simple living will to give direction and clarity to a person's wishes concerning end-of-life medical procedures."

You have to wonder if Sen. Johnson followed through on this in his personal affairs.

And if so, does his living will include a clause about "unless control of the Senate hangs in the balance"?

Posted by: JavaMan at December 31, 2006 06:03 PM (8s/zO)

15 NJRob,

You're wrong. A Senator can leave four ways:
1) Lose an election
2) Die
3) Step down
4) Be impeached

#1 can't happen 'til 2008 (although I don't think South Dakotans will be happy with Dems playing games).
#2 won't happen with the type of medical care he's receiving.
#3 can't happen if he's incapacitated.
#4 won't happen with a Democrat-controlled Senate.

So unless #2 happens, Senator Johnson is going nowhere.

Posted by: Birkel at December 31, 2006 06:04 PM (GmBEx)

16 JavaMan,

Get a screen cap of that because I have a feeling that will be pushed down the memory hole soon.

Posted by: Birkel at December 31, 2006 06:06 PM (GmBEx)

17 Got it.

Posted by: JavaMan at December 31, 2006 06:10 PM (8s/zO)

18 I am still praying that Senator Tim Johnson does a full recovery, goes into introspection after his brush with death, and reemerges a Republican.

Posted by: Tushar D at December 31, 2006 06:11 PM (9ULFg)

19 You have to wonder if Sen. Johnson followed through on this in his personal affairs.

I'd guess yes. But we may never know. I wouldn't put it past the DNC to put pressure on Mrs. Johnson to keep everything hush-hush.

When Mel Carnahan was killed in the plane crash, the DNC had no problem recruiting his wife, Jean, as one of their minions.

Posted by: Bart at December 31, 2006 06:13 PM (hXQn6)

20 He'll be the perfect guest for Chris Mathews; he'll answer in slow gurgling drools and Chris will be able to ask 25 questions between answers.

{But I really hope he recovers fully and soon.}

Posted by: eman at December 31, 2006 06:38 PM (FWrFx)

21

My dad suffered a burst aneurysm in 2003.  He survived the brain surgery but developed a serious lung infection.  He was kept sedated for a month.  He then had intensive rehab.  Sadly, he succombed to another blood clot three weeks later.


My point is this:  if Sen Johnson cares anything for his family, nevermind his state, he'll resign to devote himself to his rehab.  He will not be able to serve in the Senate for months.


I wish him every success, but I hope he does the right thing.


Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at December 31, 2006 07:09 PM (Ncfpp)

22 Will see exactly what is most important to Democraps if (G-d forbid) Johnson doesn't improve,will it be the Country or their party.

Posted by: jainphx at December 31, 2006 08:15 PM (eK9dw)

23 Are liberals now maintaining that someone who as of yet demonstrates no motor, speech, or other higher brain activity can remain a sitting Senator? Now maintaining? Hell, that's been their position for quite some time, as evidenced by Lautenberg's corpse propped up in one of the NJ seats.

(Or the alternate easy punchline...)

Why not? If the dead can vote, why can't they hold office?

Posted by: at December 31, 2006 08:17 PM (VbTWC)

24 Fuck Johnson. He wouldn't give a rats ass about any conservative. Fuck the equally impaired assholes that voted him in. Drooling, blinking pricks deserve this kind of representation. I'm sick of being a nice conservative. Kick these fuckers when they're down, like they do to us. I'm gonna protest outside his hospital with a big "4' death clock" over my head and bullhorn yelling shit like "What did you say Johnson? Muhhh arrrrghhh". "Happy New Year Johnson, it's your fuckin' last". "Say hi to Mel in Hell, cause the DNC will dance on your grave with your drunken wife".

Posted by: hutch1200 at December 31, 2006 08:44 PM (642Cb)

25 Holy crap, Hutch - I hate the Democrats and want them to lose or die off, but you shouldn't heap your scorn on the poor veggie's family.

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at January 01, 2007 12:22 AM (Ze52n)

26 Are liberals now maintaining that someone who as of yet demonstrates no motor, speech, or other higher brain activity can remain a sitting Senator?

Maintaining hell, Kennedy ran on those qualifications.

Posted by: Stewed Hamm at January 01, 2007 01:56 AM (IoR5s)

27 "You're wrong. A Senator can leave four ways:
1) Lose an election
2) Die
3) Step down
4) Be impeached

#1 can't happen 'til 2008 (although I don't think South Dakotans will be happy with Dems playing games).
#2 won't happen with the type of medical care he's receiving.
#3 can't happen if he's incapacitated.
#4 won't happen with a Democrat-controlled Senate."

But as I understand it, he was not yet sworn in for this term.
If he can't speak, how can he "repeat after me..." his oath of office?
Interesting...

Posted by: tomaig at January 01, 2007 03:47 AM (8ogqy)

28 I wonder how we will intuit his voting on bills from a bit of blinking and eye movement?

Two words: Captain Christopher Pike - Star Trek: the Original Series.

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Posted by: BumperStickerist at January 01, 2007 05:40 AM (dTi2n)

29 I had brain surgery in 1998, they removed a tumor the size of a man's fist from the back of my head. I spent 11 hours on the table.

Sedation was about 48 hours, but I was awake a good part of the time, they didn't knock me out. I was put on my feet the second day.

Two weeks means something is not right.

Posted by: LindaSoG at January 01, 2007 05:51 AM (GBBmd)

30 I have a friend who's on staff at the DNC. They are currently working on a 2 pronged approach to this problem.

1) The DNC has dispatched a special team to Africa to search for the Zombie Virus. They hope to have Sen. Johnson up and running as soon as he's dead.

ex. "All in favor of the motion will say 'aye'.
"Aye."
Sen Johnson: "Brains!"
"The ayes have it."

2) In the event Sen Johnson lives, but is incapacitated. The DNC has dispatched a special team to Spain to recruit Senor Wences. The secret DNC lab has developed a special chair for the Senator which will conceal Senor Wences and a special glove for anal insertion, which Senor Wences will wear on his right hand.

Ex: "All in favor of the motion will say'aye'."
"Aye."
Sen Johnson: "Sa'rite!"
"The ayes have it."

Unfortunately, under scenario 2 Senator Johnson will have to starting wearing lipstick.

Posted by: rinseandspit at January 01, 2007 06:55 AM (gwP92)

31 ABSTAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIN!!

Posted by: Zombie Tim Johnson at January 01, 2007 09:08 AM (56ssE)

32 The DNC is going to get one of those cavemen from the Geico commercials to take his place.

Posted by: eman at January 01, 2007 10:11 AM (FWrFx)

33 Why all the fuss? He's just another braindead Senator.

Posted by: Unk at January 01, 2007 10:58 AM (w1Dmq)

34

Hutch 1200: "Fuck Johnson. He wouldn't give a rats ass about any conservative. Fuck the equally impaired assholes that voted him in. Drooling, blinking pricks deserve this kind of representation. I'm sick of being a nice conservative. Kick these fuckers when they're down, like they do to us".


That is true. The sons of bitches wouldn't hesitate to do it to our guys. It sucks that we don't give what we get, but that would make us too much like them, and that's no good. I'm a mean nasty hard-hearted fucker myself, but on my worst pissed off drunken rages I couldn't produce the vile shit the left dishes up in normal conversation. Well, OK I could, but in my heart I'd feel bad even if I was too proud to retract it.


Posted by: drolmorg at January 01, 2007 11:29 AM (dIXHC)

35 Hmmm. How does Johnson, who exhibits no motor, speech, or other higher brain activity, differ from any other Democrat?

Posted by: Former Lurker at January 01, 2007 12:08 PM (Vuj03)

36 Speaking of ill health....take a look at the picture of Bill Clinton on the Fox News website.

That dude has aged ten years in the last three.


Posted by: eman at January 01, 2007 02:12 PM (FWrFx)

37 As things stand--or recline, I guess--Johnson won't be casting any votes, and now the VP will be breaking ties. The Democrats won't be pushing for the Republican governor to appoint a senator, as he'd likely appoint a Republican.

Isn't the prospect of a comatose Johnson "serving" as a senator a win-win for Republicans? Is there a part of this scenario I'm missing?

Posted by: Doc Washboard at January 01, 2007 03:40 PM (9znIR)

38 Doc, if Tim Johnson does not vote, the Senate breaks 50-49 for the Dems, and there is no tie for the VP to break.

Posted by: Tushar D at January 01, 2007 03:49 PM (9ULFg)

39 Is there a part of this scenario I'm missing?

Yes. There is.

To a one of us, we all expressed our hopes that he gets well.

You missed that.

troll fucktard.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 01, 2007 03:52 PM (hNyWr)

40 Thanks, Tushar; I had the numbers wrong in my head.

Posted by: Doc Washboard at January 01, 2007 03:56 PM (9znIR)

41 Dave in Texas,

Well said, Sir.

You may not be a shark, but you certainly are alert.

Doc, get a clue. Please.

Posted by: eman at January 01, 2007 03:58 PM (FWrFx)

42 Dave in Texas, why do you even bother typing something like that? All someone has to do is read the responses to see that while a few folks like eman and Tushar and a couple of others did so, most posts didn't even address that issue. Let's start with hutch1200 and then move on to you. You didn't wish him a full recovery, I notice.

Posted by: Doc Washboard at January 01, 2007 04:02 PM (9znIR)

43

Because precious, it mocks you.


 


That's worth my time.


Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 01, 2007 04:09 PM (hNyWr)

44 Consider me mocked. And it burns. It burns!

Posted by: Doc Washboard at January 01, 2007 04:13 PM (9znIR)

45 Try the free clinic Kelly Bundy frequents, Doc.

Posted by: cranky at January 01, 2007 04:19 PM (Xj2Ev)

46 Well, I burn, burn, BURN, so fuck y'all.

Posted by: The Ring of Fire, the ring of fire at January 01, 2007 04:27 PM (r1Qk0)

47 Doc,

I never heard of a commenter named hutch1200 here before. The IP has does not look familiar either. I think he is a new troll.

Posted by: Tushar D at January 01, 2007 04:31 PM (9ULFg)

48 After reviewing this thread, I realize that doc's troll rating has to be moved down a notch or three.

His lack of basic reading comprehension skills takes him from a 4.5 to a 2.0 maximum. We'll keep him on the watch list, and if he slips any lower, we'll have to pair him with ergalatrocious (shudder).

Posted by: Troll Control at January 01, 2007 04:36 PM (ut95J)

49 doc, we did "address that issue" in an earlier Johnson post.

Posted by: Bart at January 01, 2007 04:38 PM (n17ij)

50 Tushar, hutch1200 is not a troll. He's a semi-regular commenter.

Probably a little drunk and ornery, but good Rethuglican, nonetheless.

Posted by: Bart at January 01, 2007 04:43 PM (n17ij)

51 What are you, an IP rememberin' Rain Man?

Posted by: Bart at January 01, 2007 04:45 PM (n17ij)

52 Doc was kinda right about the vote count. If Johnson is replaced by a Republican, then Cheney's cock breaks the tie.

Only an inhuman fuck would want that. If Johnson leaves the Senate by death or resignation, a tragedy is made.

I hope he recovers fully. In fact, I hope he wakes up with a comic-book style increase in his faculties and serves 5 terms!

Posted by: eman at January 01, 2007 04:45 PM (FWrFx)

53 Either way, Joe Lieberman gets to ask the Dems to fetch him some Juicebox.

If I were Joe, I would have following conditions for Dems to get my vote:

1. Harry Reid should take my dog out for a walk everyday. He should not use a pooper-scooper or even gloves to clean up after the dog, because that would be insulting to the dog.
2. Robert Byrd should loudly oink while attaching any earmarks to bills.
3. Hillary Clinton should always be carrying a broom and wearing a pointy hat while in the senate chamber.
4. Barak Obama should not speak unless spoken to. Also, he should not turn his back on me while leaving. He should walk backwards away from me.
5. Maria Cantwell, Mary Landreau and Patty Murray should greet  me everyday wearing a Princess Leia outfits. Hey, I am getting kinkier with my rising power and age.
6. Chuck Schumer shoule always address me as Darth Joe.
7. When I get bored, Teddy Kennedy should entertain me by doing a Jabba the Hut impersonation.
8. Joe Biden, Richard Durbin and Patrick Leahy should slap each other like Larry, Curly and Moe whenever I demand.
9. Barbara Boxer and Dienne Fienstein should create an artificial hump on their backs, and walk with a stick while bending down. They should also attach big hairy moles on their chins.
10. John Kerry should neigh loudly whenever I look at him.

Posted by: Tushar D at January 01, 2007 04:53 PM (9ULFg)

54 Ok, I don't want Patty Murray wearing a Princess Leia outfit. Shudder! She should wear a Burka.

Posted by: Darth Joe at January 01, 2007 04:58 PM (9ULFg)

55 Speaking of ill health....take a look at the picture of Bill Clinton on the Fox News website.

Remember that Clinton had open-heart surgery awhile back. OHS can really take a lot out of you that you never get back. Trust me.

Posted by: OregonMuse at January 01, 2007 06:12 PM (dA8LR)

56 Linda writes: "Sedation was about 48 hours, but I was awake a good part of the time, they didn't knock me out. I was put on my feet the second day."

But in your case the damage done was carefully calculated and done in such a way as to minimize it.

Johnson's surgery was preceeded by an uncontrolled hemhorrage, so there is probably more damage there. Kind of like the difference between a scalpel incision and a shrapnel wound.

Also, while a tumor is significant, it might be somewhat easier to safely remove than the tangle of blood vessels Johnson had. Especially if the blood vessels serving the tumor can be cut and tied off without damaging blood flow to the normal brain.

Posted by: Jon H at January 01, 2007 09:04 PM (AEBSI)

57 "Are liberals now maintaining that someone who as of yet demonstrates no motor, speech, or other higher brain activity can remain a sitting Senator?"

Why should he be different from the other 99 jackasses that are there?

Posted by: Larry at January 01, 2007 09:33 PM (Uewxa)

58 the Senate breaks 50-49 for the Dems, and there is no tie for the VP to break.

Maybe Ted Kennedy will buy a new car this year...he don't look like he's up to much in the way of swimming these days.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 02, 2007 01:46 AM (GlKkD)

59 Tushar ixnay on the Princess Leia outfits please but thanks for clearing out the mucus in my nose this morning with this: 10. John Kerry should neigh loudly whenever I look at him.

Now, that's a Top Ten List.

Posted by: cranky at January 02, 2007 02:55 AM (Xj2Ev)

60 It's not just votes and breaking ties, it's getting stuff out of committee. Even if Johnson never casts a single vote, if his inert stump still has a D behind it, the Ds control the committees and nothing gets to the floor of the Senate without approval of someone like Pat Leahy or Harry Reid.

Posted by: Sobek at January 02, 2007 11:57 AM (6GK9U)

61 Hey, if I could have voted for a Senator in a Coma, I'd have voted twice.

Heck, my State (CO) is split (1-R 1-D in the Senate)... any way we can get both of them put into a coma? I just want less conscious Senators than is required to invoke cloture.

Then, I think we might all be a bit better off.

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