April 29, 2017

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The New Aristocracy?

How is class status determined in American society today? As suggested at the link above, is education the primary factor? Or are there other forces in play?

Sarah Hoyt has written up some interesting musings on hereditary slavery, hereditary aristocracy, feudalism, class systems and today's left. (Via David Foster, who has recommended some related reading.)

In societies with slaves, at least since Rome, at some point there evolved a rule that said something like "Such the womb, such the child's condition" meaning that -- because humans are promiscuous apes, and the legal "condition" of the father (or his identity) was often hard to ascertain -- if you were born to a free mother you were free. If you were born to a slave mother, you were a slave. This applied regardless of color of skin and any qualities of the child. You were born to a slave mother, you were a slave. In fact much the same applied to all "classes" that were inherent at birth, in European systems that required nobility (or serfdom) at birth.

But then some things changed. Finally,

. . . the injustice of geniuses being considered menials while morons were Lords became a turning point for systems of thought, which in turn -- informed by a lot of things, mostly Christianity -- largely ended the class system and definitely slavery.

Mostly because Europe still largely thinks in "Classes" -- I know, I was born and raised there -- and those of us in whose mind it doesn't fit easily always felt weird about it.

Guys, we're starting to feel weird about what the US is doing too.

Because this whole "social justice" thing and various set asides sound EXACTLY like "such the womb such the condition".

Yeah, I know it's all dressed up, all purty-like in "addressing historical injustices" and "making people more equal." With due respect (which is known) that is the greatest load of twaddle I've ever heard.

Load of twaddle?

Let's speak with no obfuscation: Mala Obama or a young boy growing up with a drug-addicted mother in the Appalachians? Which needs more help and bringing up to speed to make something of her/himself in life? And yet, by our laws, right now, she's assumed to need more than him.

Things have gotten so crazy that people talk of the "privilege" of concentration camp survivors.

On the same path, but a different league, middle-class parents are entreated not to read to their kids, lest they give them privilege (cooties) i.e. a head start on other kids. As though this were bad; as though it meant they're holding someone down by encouraging their KIDS to make the best they can of their circumstances. . . .

I suggest reading all the way to the end. There are some great sentences toward the end. Especially considering that the writer is writing in her third language.

I was going to write something here about "fame", which sometimes elevates people to a form of social aristocracy faster than talent, accomplishment or goodness. But then Ammo Grrrll reminded me of the increasingly irrational feedback loop between social aristocracy and fame.

Now (Hat tip: Ace of Spades) , a couple weeks ago, along comes a clickbait list from an outfit called Buzznet of the 30 Most Beautiful Women in the World. Yes! The whole world!

When I saw that Hillary Clinton had come in at #6 - in the world, remember! -- I excitedly checked the rest of the list to see if I was on it. If Hillary was #6, it seemed equally likely that I had also made the cut! What a day-maker THAT would have been!. . .

. . If you want to make a list of "insanely-driven" women, or "influential women" or more accurately, "women who peddle influence," then Hillary could be placed high on those lists. But beautiful? Come ON.

Do you have any thoughts today on slavery, hereditary aristocracy, feudalism, class struggle, equality or fame? I see an image of someone named Chelsea coming into my mind, for some reason.

If you need a break from topics like that, have you got anything fun or interesting planned for this weekend? Hope so.

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1 Good morning.

Posted by: HH at April 29, 2017 05:59 AM (DrCtv)

2 2?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 06:01 AM (vRcUp)

3 Good morning, HH.  Gotta leave for a little while. 

Posted by: KT at April 29, 2017 06:02 AM (qahv/)

4 I extracated myself from humble beginnings with no help. My story inspires millions!

Posted by: Preezy 44 at April 29, 2017 06:02 AM (bc2Lc)

5 "sir, the peasants are revolting!!" "So tell them to take a bath"

Posted by: kallisto at April 29, 2017 06:02 AM (kD8Fh)

6 You're telling me!

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 29, 2017 06:04 AM (7dpmG)

7 and my first nominee for ass-hat of the year is Geraldo Rivera, who on Fox and Friends this morning said that Trump, in order to get the Dems to cooperate on things like reforming obamacare, should nominate Merrick Garland for the next seat that comes opened on the Supreme Court, especially since it's likely to be a 'liberal seat'.


Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at April 29, 2017 06:05 AM (b7fwp)

8 Maybe I'm not #1, but I try harder.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 29, 2017 06:05 AM (vRcUp)

9 The Brits' class hierarchy to me looked like the American one. You had places like Kent which were bedroom communities for the City of London money-makers. And then you had places like Sheffield where not so much. The North voted Brexit, which was basically British Trump.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 06:05 AM (6FqZa)

10 Heredity is all I've got. And even that blood link is only because my biological mother married a famous politician.

Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at April 29, 2017 06:06 AM (hBig8)

11 Trump, in order to get the Dems to cooperate on things like reforming obamacare, should nominate Merrick Garland Or, as Lucy said, "C'mon, Charlie Brown!"

Posted by: t-bird at April 29, 2017 06:07 AM (7H/2n)

12 Let's speak with no obfuscation: Mala Obama or a young boy growing up with a drug-addicted mother in the Appalachians? Which needs more help and bringing up to speed to make something of her/himself in life? And yet, by our laws, right now, she's assumed to need more than him. NRO has an answer for that hillbilly; die! die! die!

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i][/b] at April 29, 2017 06:07 AM (GgzGa)

13 Also, Sarah needs some editing. Mala Obama isn't a thing.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i][/b] at April 29, 2017 06:08 AM (GgzGa)

14
 My opinion--the onus to "make something of one self  has ALWAYS rested with the individual.  The only thing given to anyone should be an opportunity. Rest of it's on your dime, champ.

 In our society, that opportunity IS given to all.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 29, 2017 06:08 AM (S/hVx)

15 Hey now, Kevin Djugash-williamson just said their communities should die.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 06:08 AM (6FqZa)

16 The United States had its upper class bias with Old Money / New Money. What made it different from Europe in are developing days was New Money here were honey badgers. Don't give a crap.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 29, 2017 06:08 AM (IDPbH)

17 The local school system spends over twice as much per pupil in the ghetto schools vs the suburban ones. There was even talk of putting all the pta money into a pot and divvying it out where needed most because the hood has no active pta and no money of their own from pta activities. That caused some commotion.

Posted by: NCKate at April 29, 2017 06:09 AM (b0aKb)

18 Hey 1%ers! Join me for Fyre Fest 2018!

Posted by: Ja Rule at April 29, 2017 06:09 AM (bc2Lc)

19 Tom Petty played this 1st song off the first album the other night... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zSHoTvEGE3Y

Posted by: Cosmic Charlie at April 29, 2017 06:09 AM (7dpmG)

20 Hey now, Kevin Djugash-williamson just said their communities should die. Posted by: boulder terlit hobo Horseshit. Name a single community that died without actual deaths. He's got 55gal drums of bleach in his basement.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i][/b] at April 29, 2017 06:10 AM (GgzGa)

21 One of the most patently obvious over-generalizations we can make: The left has many paths toward aristocracy. Money, music, movies, educational pedigree, politics, etc., and of course being the child of any of the above. For everybody else, it remains a question of merit. What are you DOING to earn your place in the pantheon?

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2017 06:10 AM (Pz4pT)

22 " Geniuses considered menials..." I always wondered why it was that Julius Caesar and anyone who was educated in ancient Rome were taught languages, history and math by slaves. Now I know that it was simply that they were born to a slave mother.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 29, 2017 06:10 AM (7uYFy)

23 The Fyrefest suckers are very lucky some Anders Breivik creep didn't show up. Disarmed young ruling-class idiots on an isolated island.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 06:11 AM (6FqZa)

24 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 11:08 AM (6FqZa) after the election I was talking to a millennial who said he wished the rust belt would "just go away". "that's not right", I replied. "What would you tell someone who said they wished the inner cities would just go away?"

Posted by: kallisto at April 29, 2017 06:13 AM (kD8Fh)

25 Heh. TCM has been running the series of 'Masie' films. I've never seen one, but they are amusing. It simply never occurred to me that Ann Sothern had a longish career as a screen actress. I only knew her from the TV show. I wouldn't have guessed that she had played (however comedic) femme fatale roles.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 29, 2017 06:13 AM (OdK9v)

26 Hey 1%ers! Join me for Fyre Fest 2018! Posted by: Ja Rule Ja wohl!

Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at April 29, 2017 06:14 AM (vRcUp)

27 Good article by Andrew McCarthy at NR on the Barak Injustice Department and its lackey the FBI as the hear no evil see no evil speak no evil on the Hillary email scandle.

Posted by: Skip at April 29, 2017 06:15 AM (Ot7+c)

28 The real problem is the reality that heredity is key to your possibilities in life. Possibilities, not outcomes. It's not fair, it can't be negotiated with or browbeaten into submission, it just is. That will change in the next hundred years, as we design our children's genome, and we will, but for. Ow, losers gonna lose, and that makes them unhappy.

Posted by: Pep at April 29, 2017 06:15 AM (LAe3v)

29 I only knew her from the TV show. What show was that?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at April 29, 2017 06:15 AM (c2qRs)

30 I opted out of the whole 'class' thing by playing artistic family.  Single parent with four kids, how to make sure they had opportunities?  Make us some noncomformist artist family, rather than sad, poor, middle-class wannabes.  Took a lot of ammo out of the petty bureaucrats and we had fun with it.

Dad was a civil engineer, so he always helped us out, but we used his artistic stuff as the hook to get out of the poverty mill and keep the focus on education.  It worked.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 29, 2017 06:16 AM (MIKMs)

31 and my first nominee for ass-hat of the year is Geraldo Rivera, who on Fox and Friends this morning said that Trump, in order to get the Dems to cooperate on things like reforming obamacare, should nominate Merrick Garland for the next seat that comes opened on the Supreme Court, especially since it's likely to be a 'liberal seat'.


Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at April 29, 2017 11:05 AM (b7fwp)



Heh, their special butt hurt on that makes me giddy!

Posted by: Infidel at April 29, 2017 06:17 AM (uKRys)

32 Greetings:

I recently read James Webb's "Born Fighting" which is his analysis of the "Scots-Irish" culture and its effects on the old USofA and have listed it for another read in several months once the initial one has settled in.

He makes similar points to your Mala Obama one and how all sorts of economic and affirmative action oppressions have left his birth culture at a significant handicap in today's progressive America.

I haven't read "Hillbilly Elegy" yet primarily because I have more than a bit of skepticism about it as the Progressive (née Public) Broadcasting System's "NewsHour" program seemed to find it useful to their nefarious cause.

Posted by: 11B40 at April 29, 2017 06:18 AM (evgyj)

33 I think the problem today is that our "elite" is a self-appointed one , an elite largely devoid of real accomplishment other than having gotten "certified" by a top university. That they learned very little of anything that matters in the real world makes no difference because of the way everything is structured. The same goes for prizes, awards and commendations --which our liberal elite bestows upon each other in an endless self-congratulatory circle jerk. These "awards" all go on resumes, burnishing their "credentials" so that people like charmless and graceless Chelsea Clinton seem "accomplished."

Posted by: JoeF. at April 29, 2017 06:18 AM (7uYFy)

34 I see some of this feudal class consciousness when Lefties talk of "The Poor" as if they were born into and would die in that stratum, and only the lordly folk could lift them out of their poverty.

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 29, 2017 06:19 AM (NT3RT)

35 You didn't suck that. *wipes mouth*

Posted by: Barack Obama, to Winston Wolfe at April 29, 2017 06:19 AM (vRcUp)

36 It's also a natural thing for children of the wealthy to develop habits that made the family wealthy in the first place.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 29, 2017 06:19 AM (IDPbH)

37 Dad was a civil engineer, so he always helped us out, but we used his artistic stuff as the hook to get out of the poverty mill and keep the focus on education. It worked. Posted by: mustbequantum at April 29, 2017 11:16 AM (MIKMs) You couldn't write a script for how my parents raised their children, and believe me, most people would not CHOOSE the path they took, and yet somehow, their children for the most part have been successful, productive, decent human beings. We sure as hell had no privileged head start. Other than parents with a value system that was founded on Christian principles.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2017 06:20 AM (Pz4pT)

38 Ann Sothern was the voice of the car on My Mother the Car.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 29, 2017 06:20 AM (IqV8l)

39 Yes the new aristocracy in the U.S. is a thing. Because Ivy league degrees are big on getting into that club and the schools give high preference to alumni offspring. Personally after 8 years of president 44 anyone with a Harvard law degree or any of the Ivy law degrees is going to have to start presenting evidence to me that they have any smarts or merits. Were you a a full ride scholarship meant to prop up their inbred and SJ/white guilt students? Can you point to something you wrote? etc. etc.

Posted by: PaleRider at April 29, 2017 06:21 AM (8qFZP)

40 @36 I know, right?

Posted by: Paris H. at April 29, 2017 06:21 AM (LAe3v)

41 My Appalachian Scots-Irish ancestors would have a few choice words for these dipshits.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 29, 2017 06:22 AM (ywNoU)

42 38; that show had to be spawned with lsd and magic mushrooms, chased with three day old potato salad baked in the sun.

Posted by: chavez the hugo at April 29, 2017 06:22 AM (KP5rU)

43 The local school system spends over twice as much per pupil in the ghetto schools vs the suburban ones. There was even talk of putting all the pta money into a pot and divvying it out where needed most because the hood has no active pta and no money of their own from pta activities. That caused some commotion. Posted by: NCKate at April 29, 2017 11:09 AM (b0aKb) Doesn't Detroit spend more per pupil than anywhere else? Thought I read that somewhere.

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at April 29, 2017 06:23 AM (/U083)

44 40 @36 I know, right? Posted by: Paris H. at April 29, 2017 11:21 AM (LAe3v) She's got at least three multimillion dollar companies right now.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 29, 2017 06:23 AM (IDPbH)

45 My view on slavery is that we should stop picking cotton on Plantation Black Lives Matter.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 29, 2017 06:23 AM (Nwg0u)

46 Every able bodies man in my family (and now my daughter) have served in the military since the Revolutionary War. Are we slaves? I don't feel like one.

Posted by: Diogenes at April 29, 2017 06:23 AM (0tfLf)

47 Ann Sothern was the voice of the car on My Mother the Car. like Mr Ed

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at April 29, 2017 06:24 AM (9wdwt)

48 after the election I was talking to a millennial who said he wished the rust belt would "just go away". "that's not right", I replied. "What would you tell someone who said they wished the inner cities would just go away?" Posted by: kallisto Maybe he's a greenie? Or a PETA-phile? He might wish the entire human race goes away. Personally I wish everything east of Israel would just "go away".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 06:24 AM (vRcUp)

49 In our society, that opportunity IS given to all. Posted by: irongrampa at April 29, 2017 11:08 AM (S/hVx) Well...yes and no. Our society has become increasingly skewed against and outright hostile in many cases to men, and especially white, straight men. The educational system and the workplace have increasingly become female-oriented and dominated.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 29, 2017 06:25 AM (ywNoU)

50 Opportunity? Lap of luxury! We were so poor...

Posted by: Four Yorkshiremen at April 29, 2017 06:26 AM (bc2Lc)

51 Posted by: mustbequantum at April 29, 2017 11:16 AM (MIKMs) --- This sounds a lot like my upbringing, except that I grew up in a two-parent household. I suppose we were technically lower middle class, based solely on income, but when you're surrounded by more books and art and cultural oddities than many rich bastids, you think of yourself as comfortably well off. When I visited the homes of kids whose parents had more money, they were rather sterile and uninteresting. I actually never thought in terms of "class". What kid does without prompting?

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 29, 2017 06:26 AM (NT3RT)

52 Personally I wish everything east of Israel would just "go away".

India, China, Korea, Japan are now very angry with you, and the West coast of the U.S. is intensely curious to know how far "east" goes before it becomes "west."

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 29, 2017 06:26 AM (bZ7mE)

53 If you need a break from topics like that, have you got anything fun or interesting planned for this weekend? I'm looking for ideas to renovate my kitchen. Came across this site, whose text must have been run through some crazy translator: "Are you intellection active renovating your kitchen cabinets?" http://tinyurl.com/m8p3yv5

Posted by: kallisto at April 29, 2017 06:26 AM (kD8Fh)

54 I know, right? Posted by: Paris H. at April 29, 2017 11:21 AM (LAe3v) She's got at least three multimillion dollar companies right now. Posted by: Jack Sock at April 29, 2017 11:23 AM (IDPbH) Three multimillion dollar companies? Wow, she must work really hard. Funny thing with the aristocracy, they can GET things like multimillion dollar companies without having to DO anything, really. And most gals with her criminal background would have a hard time getting hired by McDonalds, let alone be owning multimillion dollar companies.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2017 06:27 AM (Pz4pT)

55 It's also a natural thing for children of the wealthy to develop habits that made the family wealthy in the first place.
=====

All the very wealthy people I know are regular people and don't flaunt their wealth -- the conserve it.  As the quiet ones are dying off, a truly scary number of fill-in-the-gaps charities are going under.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 29, 2017 06:27 AM (MIKMs)

56 Almost everything that the left claims privilege in white people is subjective: it lets you feel more comfortable in the culture, it lets you feel safer, it makes you feel more able to act and free. Nothing tangible, measurable, or actual, all internal and personal.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2017 06:27 AM (39g3+)

57 The local school system spends over twice as much per pupil in the ghetto schools vs the suburban ones. I thought the whole point of the suburbs is that it had a separate infrastructure, including schools, from the nearest big city urban shithole. That's why I moved out of NYC into Nassau.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 06:27 AM (vRcUp)

58 44 40 @36 I know, right? Posted by: Paris H. at April 29, 2017 11:21 AM (LAe3v) She's got at least three multimillion dollar companies right now. Posted by: Jack Sock at April 29, 2017 11:23 AM (IDPbH) Query whether she would have those companies if not for being a Hilton.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 29, 2017 06:27 AM (ywNoU)

59 Posted by: Insomniac at April 29, 2017 11:25 AM (ywNoU) Yes that's partially true in the workplace but not in regard to starting your own business and that's where the big money potential is.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 29, 2017 06:27 AM (IDPbH)

60 This sounds a lot like my upbringing, except that I grew up in a two-parent household. I suppose we were technically lower middle class, based solely on income, but when you're surrounded by more books and art and cultural oddities than many rich bastids, you think of yourself as comfortably well off. When I visited the homes of kids whose parents had more money, they were rather sterile and uninteresting.

Poor but educated. Pretty much the story of my family, too.

Posted by: Grey Fox at April 29, 2017 06:28 AM (bZ7mE)

61 our "elite" is a self-appointed one , an elite largely devoid of real accomplishment - Watch your mouth, buddy! - Chelsea the Magnificent

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 29, 2017 06:28 AM (Nwg0u)

62 It's also a natural thing for children of the wealthy to develop habits that made the family wealthy in the first place. Posted by: Jack Sock at April 29, 2017 11:19 AM (IDPbH) I see what you mean in the "Protestant work ethic" kind of way. You learn valuable habits that will reward you later on in life. But the truth is it cuts both ways. Children from lying, conniving families learn to lie and connive their way to the top. There are also all sorts of grasping, grubby reachers who claw their way to money and success and the good life--while others who work hard, do right by their families and keep their nose clean can't escape " just getting by." And cliche though it may be, WHO you know does (often) count more than WHAT you know.....

Posted by: JoeF. at April 29, 2017 06:29 AM (7uYFy)

63 Yes that's partially true in the workplace but not in regard to starting your own business and that's where the big money potential is. Posted by: Jack Sock at April 29, 2017 11:27 AM (IDPbH) Again, to a point. Women and minorities have access to credit and capital that white guys don't.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 29, 2017 06:30 AM (ywNoU)

64 Ultimately when you examine the definition of 'white privilege' it just comes down to being a part of the dominant culture. That's why idiots accuse someone of being "too white" if they study hard, work hard, have ambition, etc. Because they equate American culture and tradition with whiteness. Instead of just... American. Because they can't say "American privilege" or it shows what an idiot you are from trying to be out of the cultural stream. And because you can attack someone for being white in modern culture.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2017 06:30 AM (39g3+)

65 Maybe he's a greenie? Or a PETA-phile? He might wish the entire human race goes away. He's just a confused consumer of hipster propaganda.

Posted by: kallisto at April 29, 2017 06:31 AM (kD8Fh)

66 "It's also a natural thing for children of the wealthy to develop habits that made the family wealthy in the first place." That has not been my experience as regards offspring of families that worked hard to acquire wealth. Most of the kids end up as trust fund Marxists, especially if they go to college. What is it that flips them? Guilt? Privilege? I have no idea.

Posted by: navybrat at April 29, 2017 06:31 AM (w7KSn)

67 10 Heredity is all I've got. And even that blood link is only because my biological mother married a famous politician. Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at April 29, 2017 11:06 AM (hBig Probly gonna show up on Bernie's TelePrompTer some day.

Posted by: 80's music fan at April 29, 2017 06:32 AM (HCnEB)

68 Posted by: Insomniac at April 29, 2017 11:27 AM (ywNoU) After you query if Trump would have been. Hilton's businesses have nothin to do with her Family's hotel business. My point was there are certain habits of people who make money. Children of the wealthy develop this habits just because of their environment.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 29, 2017 06:32 AM (IDPbH)

69 and my first nominee for ass-hat of the year is Geraldo Rivera, who on Fox and Friends this morning said that Trump, in order to get the Dems to cooperate on things like reforming obamacare, should nominate Merrick Garland for the next seat that comes opened on the Supreme Court, especially since it's likely to be a 'liberal seat'.


Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at April 29, 2017 11:05 AM (b7fwp)


Thank the Lord that Trump is not as dumb as the stupid party. Ryan, Graham, McCain, etc. probably think that would be a good deal.

Posted by: Aunt Luna at April 29, 2017 06:32 AM (Zd2ZF)

70 and yet somehow, their children for the most part have been successful, productive, decent human beings. ---------------- Not every social value is decided by the family. Society at large has a substantial impact. For the past 100 years or so, the atmosphere in the schools, other institutions, and the attitudes of a predominantly Judeo-Christian society steered the development of collective character. Well, the above institutions have been pretty well eviscerated, or worse, turned into active Hate America camps.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at April 29, 2017 06:33 AM (OdK9v)

71 re 39: if I were as brilliant a student as we're supposed to pretend Obama was, I would want everyone to know it all for a fact. Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems like hardly anyone at Columbia or Harvard Law remembers Obama.

Posted by: mallfly the Peach of Hoboken at April 29, 2017 06:33 AM (b7fwp)

72 The local school system spends over twice as much per pupil in the ghetto schools vs the suburban ones. I thought the whole point of the suburbs is that it had a separate infrastructure, including schools, from the nearest big city urban shithole. That's why I moved out of NYC into Nassau. Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 11:27 AM (vRcUp) When good little liberals talk about "good school systems", they mean "no blacks." Now I don't blame them for taking their kids as far away from urban shit schools, but I do blame them for not subjecting THEIR precious offspring to the kind of situations THEIR politics and policies created....

Posted by: JoeF. at April 29, 2017 06:34 AM (7uYFy)

73 That has not been my experience as regards offspring of families that worked hard to acquire wealth. Most of the kids end up as trust fund Marxists, especially if they go to college. What is it that flips them? Guilt? Privilege? I have no idea. Posted by: navybrat at April 29, 2017 11:31 AM (w7KSn) Parents only have influence on their children, to a certain point. If we talk about privilege, there's privilege in having parents who care for, put time and effort into educating their children, and try to instill values in their children. But then those children go out into the world, and have to make choices of their own. This is what the left seems to not understand. Privilege is a starting point, no matter how we define it. What you do with it, that's on you, the individual.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2017 06:34 AM (Pz4pT)

74 There's a book called Limbo: Blue Collar Roots, White Collar Dreams.

It's basically about the fundamental differences between growing up in a white collar (aka "rich WASP") family vs. a blue collar (aka "middle class ethnic") family, and how to cope in the white collar world as a person from a different background.  Very, very good read, I highly recommend it.

/in Their World, everything must be as smooth and I Can't Believe It's Not Butter and no one should ever say an idea is unworkable in a meeting.

Posted by: shibumi at April 29, 2017 06:34 AM (8zWAk)

75 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2017 11:30 AM (39g3+) A young woman came to temp in our office. She related how she'd moved her family from a suburban community back to the hood because her oldest child was becoming too white. I just listened to her and felt so bad for her kid. She was doing fine in the suburbs, excelling in school, etc. Now that she's in the hood, she is getting tormented by the kids who mock her for being smart.

Posted by: kallisto at April 29, 2017 06:34 AM (kD8Fh)

76 JackStraw is dead? I didn't even know he was sick.

Posted by: blaster at April 29, 2017 06:36 AM (//qKy)

77 68 Posted by: Insomniac at April 29, 2017 11:27 AM (ywNoU) After you query if Trump would have been. Hilton's businesses have nothin to do with her Family's hotel business. My point was there are certain habits of people who make money. Children of the wealthy develop this habits just because of their environment. Posted by: Jack Sock at April 29, 2017 11:32 AM (IDPbH) There's no precondition to wondering whether Paris Hilton has multimillion dollar businesses due to name and celebrity as opposed to hard work and business acumen. That they're unrelated to the hotel industry doesn't matter.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 29, 2017 06:36 AM (ywNoU)

78 Posted by: JoeF. at April 29, 2017 11:29 AM (7uYFy) It's also a mindset. If you grew up middle class , your expectations are to be at least middle class as you get older and many are satisfied to remain that way and nothing wrong with that.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 29, 2017 06:37 AM (IDPbH)

79 Sit down with your kid and look up grants and scholarships. If you're white, you MIGHT find one for an organization you're part of (your church, for example). If your kid is a girl, she can find some just for being female. If you're not white, there are many many more just for being not a cracker.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2017 06:37 AM (39g3+)

80 It's also a natural thing for children of the wealthy to develop habits that made the family wealthy in the first place." That has not been my experience as regards offspring of families that worked hard to acquire wealth. Most of the kids end up as trust fund Marxists, especially if they go to college. What is it that flips them? Guilt? Privilege? I have no idea. Posted by: navybrat at April 29, 2017 11:31 AM (w7KSn) I totally agree. It's the elite schools I think that are to blame. They inculcate their students with all sorts of bullshit designed to indoctrinate them. They take often bright kids and turn them into fools and tools.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 29, 2017 06:37 AM (7uYFy)

81 After you query if Trump would have been. Hilton's businesses have nothin to do with her Family's hotel business. My point was there are certain habits of people who make money. Children of the wealthy develop this habits just because of their environment. Posted by: Jack Sock at April 29, 2017 11:32 AM (IDPbH) Weird analogy. Both came from wealth. After that... what? As far as I know Trump has not a trace of the criminal history Paris Hilton has. And yet somehow she has "succeeded" anyway. Just out of curiosity, what ARE these multimillion dollar companies she owns? I'd like to get me one of them multimillion dollar companies for me own self. If Paris can do it, surely I can too.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2017 06:37 AM (Pz4pT)

82 Willowed on the other thread....


G'day from Down Under!

Just arrived home from a great night out to celebrate our dear friend's **th birthday

Went to a great little place to watch my friend's fave band - little venue called Leadbelly in Newtown - love these small , cosy places...

https://tinyurl.com/lhl2aow

And the band, Cyril B Bunter - met them all as my friend knows them well - one story - AC/DC (unknown at the time ) were the support band for them many years ago!


As for current affairs - sometimes I'm glad we're at the arse end of the world -a good way away from all the trouble spots -  of course we are very close to Indonesia, the most populated Muslim nation in the world so things could go a bit crazy Down Here one day...


Posted by: Aussie at April 29, 2017 06:38 AM (HzUE3)

83 I'm on a Turkish Airbus over the U.K. Right now.

Posted by: blaster at April 29, 2017 06:38 AM (//qKy)

84 Doesn't Detroit spend more per pupil than anywhere else? Thought I read that somewhere. Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC I read awhile back a Mayor, Camden, NJ iirc who admitted the problem with the city schools was not lack of money. Honesty, from a politician, it made me check the calendar to see if it was April 1.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum [i] at April 29, 2017 06:40 AM (HTdUD)

85 At what point does "giving a hand up" and "equalizing the imbalance" become privilege? I mean if you get more opportunities for loans, assistance, college admittance, more open doors, more protection from law... when does that become privilege?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2017 06:40 AM (39g3+)

86 This is what the left seems to not understand. Privilege is a starting point, no matter how we define it. What you do with it, that's on you, the individual. Posted by: BurtTC I think people who complain about "white privilege" are themselves too privileged in comparison with other parts of the world. I think 100% of their entitlements should be cut and be sent to Africa and India.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 06:40 AM (vRcUp)

87 Actually... the Aristocracy of Europe was Anti Darwinian... which is what killed it. The Best, Brightest, and Smartest, would be sent off to command military Units... which often got them killed... while the Poltroons and Cowards stayed home, inherited the titles, and bred. Add in that in places like France, between 1650 and 1800 its estimated that 30% of the Aristocracy killed each other off in Duels? (again, the braver more active types killed each other off)... So you had a gene pool which elevated the unworthy, while killing off the better specimens... And the result? Prince Charles... nuff said...

Posted by: Don Q., at April 29, 2017 06:40 AM (NgKpN)

88 She related how she'd moved her family from a suburban community back to the hood because her oldest child was becoming too white. I can't... what does that even mean? "Too white." I don't comprehend the concept at all. Is whiteness bad? What is the evil of whiteness?

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2017 06:41 AM (39g3+)

89 It's also a mindset. If you grew up middle class , your expectations are to be at least middle class as you get older and many are satisfied to remain that way and nothing wrong with that. Posted by: Jack Sock at April 29, 2017 11:37 AM (IDPb Exactly. Not everyone aspires to own a Lear jet, live in Palm Beach and play golf and hobnob billionaires. You have to be cut out for that sort of thing. Even if I won the Powerball, I wouldn't aspire to that lifestyle. Most want to be happy, healthy, productive and not hassled by the government.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 29, 2017 06:41 AM (7uYFy)

90 I'm on a Turkish Airbus over the U.K. Right now. Posted by: blaster Sounds painful.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i][/b] at April 29, 2017 06:41 AM (GgzGa)

91 A young woman came to temp in our office. She related how she'd moved her family from a suburban community back to the hood because her oldest child was becoming too white.

I just listened to her and felt so bad for her kid. She was doing fine in the suburbs, excelling in school, etc. Now that she's in the hood, she is getting tormented by the kids who mock her for being smart.

Posted by: kallisto at April 29, 2017 11:34 AM (kD8Fh)

Therein lies the problem.  How do you fix that?  I know, the media and schools.  Very sad.

Posted by: Infidel at April 29, 2017 06:42 AM (uKRys)

92 Do you have any thoughts today on slavery, hereditary aristocracy, feudalism, class struggle, equality or fame? I see an image of someone named Chelsea coming into my mind, for some reason.

Hey, did you forget about us? Of course we gained our privilege the old fashioned way. Bootlegging, insider trading, and mob connections.

Posted by: America's Royal Family; The Kennedys at April 29, 2017 06:42 AM (qJhUV)

93 Sit down with your kid and look up grants and scholarships. If you're white, you MIGHT find one for an organization you're part of (your church, for example). If your kid is a girl, she can find some just for being female. If you're not white, there are many many more just for being not a cracker. Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2017 11:37 AM (39g3+)
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Youngest kid is in engineering.  Very smart girl (tests, grades, work ethic).  She has searched all over to find extra scholarships.  We have made mordant jokes about adopting her out to one of our local hispanic families.  Even with all the talk about women in STEM, terrifying prospects for a white girl.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 29, 2017 06:43 AM (MIKMs)

94 Doesn't Detroit spend more per pupil than anywhere else? Thought I read that somewhere.
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African Democrat Teacher Union Privilege

Posted by: shibumi at April 29, 2017 06:44 AM (8zWAk)

95 85 At what point does "giving a hand up" and "equalizing the imbalance" become privilege? I mean if you get more opportunities for loans, assistance, college admittance, more open doors, more protection from law... when does that become privilege? Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2017 11:40 AM (39g3+) They don't differentiate between Social Privilege, and LEGAL Privilege. Social Privilege is a Hispanic going to his Patron, and getting help with a Loan, because he is part of the Clan (which happens here in central CA all the time... Legal Privilege is the GOVERNMENT giving someone an advantage based on Race, or Sex.... Affirmative Action was an attempt to balance Social Privilege, with Legal Privilege.... which of course, is counter to how America is supposed to operate...

Posted by: Don Q., at April 29, 2017 06:44 AM (NgKpN)

96
Youngest kid is in engineering. Very smart girl (tests, grades, work ethic). She has searched all over to find extra scholarships. We have made mordant jokes about adopting her out to one of our local hispanic families. Even with all the talk about women in STEM, terrifying prospects for a white girl.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 29, 2017 11:43 AM (MIKMs)


I found the same thing looking for a job.  They need to fill their affirmative action quotas.

Posted by: Infidel at April 29, 2017 06:45 AM (uKRys)

97 Wait, are parents really being encouraged to not read to their kids because yet another generation in the long line of worthless leeches can't be bothered to turn off Jerry Springer for ten minutes to mumble their way through Chicka Chicka Boom Boom from the library?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 29, 2017 06:46 AM (fD1ST)

98 That ban on electronics on airplanes coming from Turkey? Counts even for transfers. They are pretty serious about security on US bound flights. They cut off one end of the terminal for US bound flights and have another set of checks. Boarding pass and passport to get into the line. Then a check of those at a desk. Then a check of those to get into the next line Then 100% check of all carryons. Electronics bigger than a phone are taken and bubblewrapped and you pick up at destination.

Posted by: blaster at April 29, 2017 06:47 AM (//qKy)

99 How is class status determined in American society today? Money.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 29, 2017 06:47 AM (LTHVh)

100 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2017 11:41 AM (39g3+) The evil is in being corny or not hip enough. There's probably Caucasians in the hood who are afraid of acting too white. I hope this mindset becomes less prevalent. There's a growing Black middle class who comprehend the importance of traditional societal values. I live in a diverse community and there is no deference paid to skin tone or its imputed behavior patterns. We all have one goal in common: we love our neighborhood and intend to keep it attractive and livable.

Posted by: kallisto at April 29, 2017 06:47 AM (kD8Fh)

101 Just arrived home from a great night out to celebrate our dear friend's **th birthday As for current affairs - sometimes I'm glad we're at the arse end of the world -a good way away from all the trouble spots - of course we are very close to Indonesia, the most populated Muslim nation in the world so things could go a bit crazy Down Here one day... Posted by: Aussie Hi, Aussie. Glad you weren't too knackered out to post. Also glad to hear things have been peaceful there. But I hope you guys will be careful - I believe there was an attack in Australia a few years ago. You guys should look at what has happened here and in Europe over the past several years and regard it as a warning.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 06:47 AM (vRcUp)

102 Yes, the so-called "progressives" seem hell-bent on returning us to the days of feudalism and hereditary nobility. My theory is that the traditional ruling class has hated the American Republic since its founding, and have been working to undermine it ever since. They have very nearly succeeded. The relatively open and free American society was a rebuke to the closed, class-bound societies of Europe. Within only about 150 years after its founding, the United States had become a world-class economic powerhouse. Many of the world-changing inventions were invented here, by ordinary mechanics and tinkerers, at a time when aristocrats thought it was beneath them to get their hands dirty. Today we are told all that is undeserved "privilege", which we should renounce.

Posted by: rickl at April 29, 2017 06:48 AM (sdi6R)

103 Most want to be happy, healthy, productive and not hassled by the government. Posted by: JoeF. at April 29, 2017 11:41 AM (7uYFy) Yup, and none of that has anything to do with accumulating wealth. This is something about which the so-called right sometimes has a blind eye to. Wealth accumulation, in and of itself, is not a good thing. It's not a healthy way to measure one's worth. In fact, it can easily (and often does) get in the way of developing as a worthwhile human being.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2017 06:48 AM (Pz4pT)

104 There's probably Caucasians in the hood who are afraid of acting too white. Let's see: M&M, and Impotent Clown Penises. That makes three.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 06:48 AM (vRcUp)

105 Telling suburban whites to dumb down their kids is basically a racist statement that non whites are unable to help their kids and cannot reach to be higher. Of course by "non white" they ignore Asians, the group that does not exist to the left. Except to deny college admission to.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2017 06:49 AM (39g3+)

106 A young woman came to temp in our office. She related how she'd moved her family from a suburban community back to the hood because her oldest child was becoming too white.

This stinking pile of happy horseshit virtue signaling by obviously unbalanced libs never fails to amaze me.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 29, 2017 06:49 AM (Tyii7)

107 It's also a natural thing for children of the wealthy to develop habits that made the family wealthy in the first place.
Posted by: Jack Sock at April 29, 2017 11:19 AM (IDPbH)


Intergenerational wealth in the US is a rare thing.  The three-generations of stupid/poverty/whatever is a real thing.

I admit the ultra-rich do intergenerational wealth, but that is because they get managers to take care of everything, but there is no real moving and shaking going on like the founder of the dynasty.

Generally the children of the wealthy tend to blow it all since they never learned the habits and mind-set that made the millions in the first place.

Oddly enough, in The Millionaire Next Door, there was a finding that Scot-descended families had a greater level of intergenerational wealth than others, but there was no real reason found to explain it.

Posted by: Kindltot at April 29, 2017 06:50 AM (T+ln4)

108 Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2017 11:48 AM (Pz4pT) It's the motivation that built America.

Posted by: Jack Sock at April 29, 2017 06:50 AM (IDPbH)

109 The evil is in being corny or not hip enough. But that's culturally defined, too. Being white used to be the coolest thing on earth. The rugged cowboy, the badass soldier, the private investigator. Somehow black culture became defined as cool, not for achievement, but for a sense of rhythm and style.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2017 06:50 AM (39g3+)

110 Youngest kid is in engineering. Very smart girl (tests, grades, work ethic). She has searched all over to find extra scholarships. We have made mordant jokes about adopting her out to one of our local hispanic families. Even with all the talk about women in STEM, terrifying prospects for a white girl. Posted by: mustbequantum at April 29, 2017 11:43 AM (MIKMs) Just a suggestion.... look up the DOD SMART program.... its government scholarships for STEM students... and leads to working for the DOD, but not necessarily for the military....

Posted by: Don Q., at April 29, 2017 06:52 AM (NgKpN)

111 Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 29, 2017 11:49 AM (Tyii7) The young woman who moved her family was Black. Judging from the virtue signaling white ladies - the aspirationals in limo lib utopia - I don't know of one who would dare uproot herself from the confines of Cushy Cul de Sac, USA to mingle with the unclean.

Posted by: kallisto at April 29, 2017 06:53 AM (kD8Fh)

112 I found the same thing looking for a job. They need to fill their affirmative action quotas. Posted by: Infidel at April 29, 2017 11:45 AM (uKRys) I can only imagine. I graduated in the late eighties and was academically well ahead of a female black girlfriend (literally - we messed around on chorus and band trips). She had fewer extracurricular activities and no sports, and she had full and free ride offers from f*cking EVERYWHERE. I think she even got something from a couple of Ivies. I, a white male, had a few scholarship offers from some local state colleges. I can't imagine what it must be like now.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 29, 2017 06:53 AM (fD1ST)

113 My theory is that the traditional ruling class has hated the American Republic since its founding, and have been working to undermine it ever since. The "traditional ruling class", if America ever had one, was the plantation class in the South and border-South. They are gone with the wind, long gone. What we are seeing is Praisegod Barebones from the English Civil War, still looking for more monsters to slay. ("The Cousins' Wars", "Albion's Seed", just about anything from Moldbug's old blog) That's not the traditional ruling class.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 06:54 AM (Tjwvt)

114
Saw a documentary on PBS POV -- 'American Promise'

Excellent long-term analysis of two upper middle-class black families getting into a very selective school in NY.  The family that was a little looser (with a better sense of humor) and allowed their child to attend a public hs actually was more productive.  Probably unintentionally amusing vignette was these black children going to Africa and the king apologizing for selling his people into slavery.  When the kids got back to the hotel:  silence.

Very good documentary and worth the time.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 29, 2017 06:54 AM (MIKMs)

115 83 blaster

On the way home now?

Have a safe trip and hope you had a good holiday - you were in Rome?

Favourite place in Europe ...except for the little village in Austria which is home to my favourite cousins


https://tinyurl.com/m9ln2c6

Posted by: Aussie at April 29, 2017 06:54 AM (HzUE3)

116 Maybe Kevin Landwaster from NRO thinks he's a moderate, like Cromwell.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 06:55 AM (Tjwvt)

117 Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2017 11:48 AM (Pz4pT) It's the motivation that built America. Posted by: Jack Sock at April 29, 2017 11:50 AM (IDPbH) No. It really isn't. I don't think you understand this stuff at all.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2017 06:55 AM (Pz4pT)

118 just chuckling at the thought of the limo libs relocating to the hood in order to prove they're "down" - "there's no way! It's an urban desert..my god, there's NO STARBUCKS!"

Posted by: kallisto at April 29, 2017 06:55 AM (kD8Fh)

119
I can't imagine what it must be like now.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 29, 2017 11:53 AM (fD1ST)


It doesn't help that I am older now.  I finally landed what seems to be a decent job for the depressed economy here.  Unfortunately, at half the wages I was making.

Posted by: Infidel at April 29, 2017 06:56 AM (uKRys)

120 She related how she'd moved her family from a suburban community back to the hood because her oldest child was becoming too white. I can't... what does that even mean? "Too white." I don't comprehend the concept at all. Is whiteness bad? What is the evil of whiteness? Posted by: Christopher R Taylor It's obvious, isn't it? Think "Fox and the Grapes". She has an inferiority complex. She wants to feel ethnic narcissism, but can't. So she blames white people and moves away from people who interfere with her plans for being a narcissist. Similar to the Lena Dunhams who resent society for the sin of "lookism" instead of hitting the treadmill. They are at the immature stage where they blame others for their failings and flaws.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 06:57 AM (vRcUp)

121 Lena *did* eventually hit the treadmill. Didn't do much for the sneer on her face, though.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 06:58 AM (Tjwvt)

122 Gardening thread is up.  Feel free to hang around here if you have non-gardening topics. 

Posted by: KT at April 29, 2017 06:59 AM (qahv/)

123 The young woman who moved her family was Black.

Well, that's a horse of a slightly different color, is it not?

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 29, 2017 06:59 AM (Tyii7)

124 It crossed my mind today that if someone wanted to build an entitled politician who is clueless when it comes to doing the actual work of campaign, who would have no response to opposition and is entirely out of touch they would do what the media is doing to Chelsea Clinton.

Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at April 29, 2017 06:59 AM (hJrjt)

125 NORTH KOREA THREATENS ISRAEL WITH MERCILESS, THOUSAND-FOLD PUNISHMENT LMAO Get in line fat boy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2017 07:00 AM (KlI/a)

126 The "traditional ruling class", if America ever had one, was the plantation class in the South and border-South. They are gone with the wind, long gone. What we are seeing is Praisegod Barebones from the English Civil War, still looking for more monsters to slay. ("The Cousins' Wars", "Albion's Seed", just about anything from Moldbug's old blog) That's not the traditional ruling class. Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 11:54 AM (Tjwvt) Brilliant.

Posted by: JoeF. at April 29, 2017 07:01 AM (7uYFy)

127 Infidel at April 29, 2017 11:56 AM

Glad you got a job.  Sorry about the depressed economy. 

Posted by: KT at April 29, 2017 07:01 AM (qahv/)

128 113 The "traditional ruling class", if America ever had one, was the plantation class in the South and border-South. They are gone with the wind, long gone. Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 11:54 AM (Tjwvt) I was thinking more along the lines of the European ruling class. They're the ones whose positions were threatened by the ideals of America's founding. Is it just a coincidence that modern "progressives" look to Europe as a role model, with their welfare states and government-subsidized art and so forth?

Posted by: rickl at April 29, 2017 07:01 AM (sdi6R)

129 Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 29, 2017 11:59 AM (Tyii7) Yes. children have a difficult enough journey to adulthood in today's world. It just horrifies and saddens me that they have to be additionally encumbered by their adults' crazypants thinking. I prayed for that kid and her family a lot back then.

Posted by: kallisto at April 29, 2017 07:01 AM (kD8Fh)

130 NORTH KOREA THREATENS ISRAEL WITH MERCILESS, THOUSAND-FOLD PUNISHMENT

The little fat f*ck is covering all of the bases. Suicide by country.

Posted by: Notorious BFD at April 29, 2017 07:02 AM (Tyii7)

131 And lo, the King of Korea descended upon the land of milk and honey, and he did guzzle the milk and consume the honey. And a famine was seen in the land worse than in the days of Eglon of Moab.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 07:02 AM (Tjwvt)

132 Thanks KT.

Posted by: Infidel at April 29, 2017 07:02 AM (uKRys)

133 101 Steve and Cold Bear

Hi there and  I'm wide awake -  of course it's 2am here and I'm supposed to be tired!

We do have plenty of problems here however these wouldn't make the news up your way unless people are killed..

For those of you interested in Aussie stuff I always recommend the following sites

Andrew Bolt
Tim Blair
Catallaxy Files


*Now too tired suddenly to post links*


Posted by: Aussie at April 29, 2017 07:03 AM (HzUE3)

134 125 NORTH KOREA THREATENS ISRAEL WITH MERCILESS, THOUSAND-FOLD PUNISHMENT LMAO Get in line fat boy Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2017 12:00 PM (KlI/a) I don't think his 40-year old Golf-class antiques can sail that far.

Posted by: Deplorable Flyover 98ZJUSMC at April 29, 2017 07:03 AM (/U083)

135 Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2017 11:48 AM (Pz4pT) It's the motivation that built America. Posted by: Jack Sock at April 29, 2017 11:50 AM (IDPbH) No. It really isn't. I don't think you understand this stuff at all. Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2017 11:55 AM (Pz4pT) Look, I'm not trying to be snotty, but this is the myth that keeps getting told on the so-called right all the time. That Capitalism and wealth accumulation are the goal. They're not. They're at best a means to the goal. If you really want to make something of yourself in this world, you HAVE to develop a purpose that goes well beyond making money. You can do just fine in this world without that purpose, but you will be no damn good to anybody. And the people who "built" this country understood that. Even the ones who amassed huge fortunes. ESPECIALLY most of the ones who amassed huge fortunes.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2017 07:03 AM (Pz4pT)

136 93---Even with all the talk about women in STEM, terrifying prospects for a white girl. Posted by: mustbequantum at April 29, 2017 11:43 AM (MIKMs) ----------------------------- But 100 or even 1000 times better than for a white male.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 29, 2017 07:04 AM (0jtPF)

137
I can only imagine. I graduated in the late eighties and was academically well ahead of a female black girlfriend (literally - we messed around on chorus and band trips). She had fewer extracurricular activities and no sports, and she had full and free ride offers from f*cking EVERYWHERE. I think she even got something from a couple of Ivies.
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I graduated around the same time, and was at the top of my class in my major. And lost out to the internship that I wanted to a white male classmate who was barely making it through the classwork because he had an out of wedlock child to support and I did not. All... unspoken of course.

Posted by: shibumi at April 29, 2017 07:05 AM (8zWAk)

138 "Kim Jong-Il" is NorK for "Porky Pig".

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Doctor of Thinkology at April 29, 2017 07:06 AM (Nwg0u)

139 Nightynight everyone and have a wonderful yesterday!

I'm so looking forward to hearing about the White House correspondents dinner  v  President Trump's rally

See you tonight/yesterday/tomorrow whatever!

Posted by: Aussie at April 29, 2017 07:08 AM (HzUE3)

140 In my experience you have 2 types. The first believes that in you need to make yourself useful to your fellow man, those people generally do well. The second believes that in order to benefit your fellow man, you take the labor of the first group and redistribute it to the second. It's the grasshopper and ant story.

Posted by: navybrat at April 29, 2017 07:08 AM (w7KSn)

141 It crossed my mind today that if someone wanted to build an entitled politician who is clueless when it comes to doing the actual work of campaign, who would have no response to opposition and is entirely out of touch they would do what the media is doing to Chelsea Clinton. Posted by: Northernlurker, Phillips screwdriver of the gods at April 29, 2017 11:59 AM (hJrjt) Yes, but it's not going to work. The left has been making this mistake for some time, misunderstanding what it is that appeals to their voters. They got lucky with Obama. Really. They were lucky with Bubba Clinton, because he was a masterful politician. Obama was a creation of another faction of the left, and when he came up for air their voters obviously just swooned over him. So nothing else mattered much, other than his surface appeal. So now they think they can just throw another Clinton up there, and their voters are going to fall in love? Yeah, no. I so dearly hope they continue to try, but I expect if they try to push a Chelsea on their voters, some half-blind, crippled Hispanic lesbian is going to come out of the woodwork and steal the show.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2017 07:09 AM (Pz4pT)

142 Barak is starting to rake in the Wall Street speaking money, but a piker comparedto Hillary's, only $400,000 for has been's. ( Townhall.com)

Posted by: Skip at April 29, 2017 07:09 AM (Ot7+c)

143 All this stuff about women being elevated above men in opportunity, etc. I'm gad I don't live in whatever parts of the country that is happening. And if I did, I'd move.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 07:10 AM (3myMJ)

144 85 At what point does "giving a hand up" and "equalizing the imbalance" become privilege? I mean if you get more opportunities for loans, assistance, college admittance, more open doors, more protection from law... when does that become privilege? Equality looks a whole lot like discrimination after a while, that's what.

Posted by: Common Tater at April 29, 2017 07:11 AM (9razJ)

145 141 So now they think they can just throw another Clinton up there, and their voters are going to fall in love? Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2017 12:09 PM (Pz4pT) Sort of like how the GOPe just assumed that we would swallow Jeb. (I know, phrasing.)

Posted by: rickl at April 29, 2017 07:12 AM (sdi6R)

146 I don't think his 40-year old Golf-class antiques can sail that far. I think Un might have someone smart advising him, telling him that threatening the USA is not going to get the usual "please don't hurt us, here's tribute" response of previous presidents like Obama and Clinton. So he's going after leftist approved targets instead. Its all the rage to hate on Israel.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2017 07:12 AM (39g3+)

147 I'm gad I don't live in whatever parts of the country that is happening. And if I did, I'd move. Its not a state-by-state thing. You're soaking in it.

Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2017 07:13 AM (39g3+)

148 I am educated, my kids are educated, but my dad didn't graduate high school... but was smartish. My mom was very smart but only had a few college classes she took for "fun". About half my siblings married doctors. The other half are pretty much hillbillies. I find heredity to be a strange measure of class, and education a more accurate measure. Though it's hard to get the hillbilly out, and makes you roll your eyes at the excess of the educated. It's something else, I don't know what, because I am pretty sure my hill billy relatives are plenty smart, they are more anti-establishment smart. Maybe it's what you find interesting in life.

Posted by: petunia at April 29, 2017 07:13 AM (VoCyE)

149 Posted by: Christopher R Taylor at April 29, 2017 12:13 PM (39g3+) Not seeing it.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 07:14 AM (3myMJ)

150 Barak is starting to rake in the Wall Street speaking money

And in closing, don't put all of your progressive eggs in one basket. Thanks for having me! We will finish with the call to prayer. Good night!

Posted by: King Shit Midas at April 29, 2017 07:15 AM (Tyii7)

151 And lo, the King of Korea descended upon the land of milk and honey, and he did guzzle the milk and consume the honey. And a famine was seen in the land worse than in the days of Eglon of Moab. Posted by: boulder terlit hobo Where's Ehud when you need him?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 07:16 AM (vRcUp)

152 So now they think they can just throw another Clinton up there, and their voters are going to fall in love? Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2017 12:09 PM (Pz4pT) Sort of like how the GOPe just assumed that we would swallow Jeb. (I know, phrasing.) Posted by: rickl at April 29, 2017 12:12 PM (sdi6R) Something like how they say the military is always preparing to win the last war. Parties think in terms of the last election, and try to duplicate what worked before/eliminate what failed before.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2017 07:17 AM (Pz4pT)

153 151 And lo, the King of Korea descended upon the land of milk and honey, and he did guzzle the milk and consume the honey. And a famine was seen in the land worse than in the days of Eglon of Moab. Posted by: boulder terlit hobo Where's Ehud when you need him? Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 12:16 PM (vRcUp) I had to refresh my memory on that guy. He was a stone cold assassin.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 29, 2017 07:18 AM (0mRoj)

154 from a series entitled 'conversations with someone left of NPR' Them: *headline read to me from news alert on their phone* Climate March expected to draw massive crowd to D.C. in sweltering heat Me: Wow, you could make a full time job out of protesting... Them: We need full time protestors when we have a full time maniac Me: *starts singing Flashdance Maniac*

Posted by: Nathan R. Jessup at April 29, 2017 07:19 AM (6sBpp)

155 Nightynight everyone and have a wonderful yesterday! I'm so looking forward to hearing about the White House correspondents dinner v President Trump's rally See you tonight/yesterday/tomorrow whatever! Posted by: Aussie Goodnight. *pushes Fosters through USB port*

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 07:19 AM (vRcUp)

156 But 100 or even 1000 times better than for a white male. Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 29, 2017 12:04 PM (0jtPF)
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Son decided to heck with it and got his carpentry journeyman.  Youngest person they have.  Financially doing extraordinarily well.  You should have seen the look on his fiancee's face when I was pushing for him converting his lower level into an apartment for me.  I actually expect him to go back to school eventually because the boredom of dealing with people is already irritating him.  Maybe this time he can really see a benefit of education for yourself -- not just a job.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 29, 2017 07:19 AM (MIKMs)

157 Them: We need full time protestors when we have a full time maniac Don't make a maniac out of me!

Posted by: Paul Anka at April 29, 2017 07:20 AM (0mRoj)

158 Coincidentally, Hillary was also the 6th most beautiful creature from The Dark Crystal. /stealing a joke from myself /I told it better this time

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 29, 2017 07:20 AM (VdICR)

159 It's something else, I don't know what, because I am pretty sure my hill billy relatives are plenty smart, they are more anti-establishment smart. Maybe it's what you find interesting in life. Posted by: petunia at April 29, 2017 12:13 PM (VoCyE) I know a guy, if I told you his upbringing, it would break your heart. His parents were something else. I won't go into detail. He's over 60 years old now, has made a wreck of so much of his life, it truly is a miracle he's still alive. He can barely read, still does things that are self-destructive, and continues to be one of the funniest, most pleasant, decent human beings on the planet. He's got to be a freakin' genius, because if he wasn't, he'd have been long gone before now. I mean that sincerely.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2017 07:21 AM (Pz4pT)

160 ESPN just can't help themselves. Click

Posted by: Random [s]lurker[/s] commenter at April 29, 2017 07:21 AM (WF5ei)

161 Equality looks a whole lot like discrimination after a while, that's what. Posted by: Common Tater at April 29, 2017 12:11 PM (9razJ) Yup.... I lost, and continue to lose, thousands of dollars a year due to affirmative action.... Why? The military was 'helping' Blacks and Women get promotions in the military when I was in.... I saw it... I watched it as people with much worse records, and less experience, were promoted past me. Case in point... at one point my Ex Wife (still married then) got promoted, to where she outranked me.... I put on full dress for her advancement ceremony (had just come back from Desert Storm as a matter of fact)... HER Commanding Officer, looked at her 5 ribbons, all gedunk (as we called them)... and my multiple rows of medals... and muttered 'theres something wrong with this picture...' And for the record... she went on her first actual shipboard deployment a year later, and found out she couldn't cut it and got out... I served until I retired... BUT, because your retirement is tied to your rank... I continue to loose money every year...

Posted by: Don Q., at April 29, 2017 07:26 AM (NgKpN)

162 Levelers always level down.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 29, 2017 07:26 AM (LTHVh)

163 Excellent post ...

Christianity indeed broke through a lot of tribal thought.  In older times, the tribe was very important.  And the old testament set up a lot of law and order that is still useful.  Peoples often had to choose/accept a "lord" or king for survival against the Genghis Khans roving the lands.

So with Christianity the "tribe" came to be any that CHOSE JC as their (spiritual) Lord, and we then became one body, joint heirs, JC as our brother.  I'm not sure that Judaism changed, but anyone can become Jewish as well, regardless of bloodline.  Or I assume that since my sister (sorta) became Jewish.

Muslims accept anyone, and bloodline for them means you are stuck being a Muslim, and they can kill you if you don't accept your fate.  They will offer you a choice, but death or servitude is the only other option.

The nation-state is its own civic version of the tribe. I America it is BASED in certain propositions of liberty, instead of strict bloodline classes (borders/language/culture, as Michael Savage puts it).  France and the rest of Europe need to maintain their individual national cultures (even if some of their affinity for royalty/classes could use some improvement).  We need to remember ours.

There are many parallels between the church and state, and individual liberty in spiritual choices and citizenry choices.  The power (ideally) belongs to the individual, then to their community (love your neighbor) ... not to a distant king or religious potentate who would RULE OVER them as a peasantry. 

Power to the people ... viva la revolucion. 

Posted by: illiniwek at April 29, 2017 07:26 AM (TmCOq)

164 "Maybe this time he can really see a benefit of education for yourself -- not just a job." Education is very beneficial when used properly, for work or just inspiration. My brother went back to school and got a degree in history just because he found it interesting. I acquired a degree in sociology in '75. I considered it completely worthless for a decade. Then I got into real estate and discovered I could apply sociologic theory and statistics to people's wants and desires and, most important, I could predict their future movements. It worked out great.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 07:26 AM (3myMJ)

165 I look up to no one but God.

Posted by: Soona at April 29, 2017 07:27 AM (Fmupd)

166 135---Posted by: BurtTC at April 29, 2017 12:03 PM (Pz4pT) ------------------------------ I couldn't agree more. I am always uncomfortable when the chattering classes refer to the "American dream" as the amassing of great wealth or even a plump upper-middle-class lifestyle. Yes, the rags-to-riches stories are a part of our history. These opportunities were far greater in the US than elsewhere. But to me it's not what has driven most people. The ancestors of my Dunker (Amish-type) neighbors down the road didn't come here to get rich. My parents took a big financial and lifestyle hit to come here. My mother, who had maids and cooks her whole life, had to learn how to make a bed and boil an egg. (Okay, it's debatable if she really mastered the last one, but.....) It's true that everyone wants enough to support a family and the economic motive for the poor to come here is real enough. But there's something much more going on. Or at least there SHOULD be, both in regard to the meaning of America and to the individual's happiness, properly understood.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 29, 2017 07:27 AM (0jtPF)

167 Working class Scots-Irish background, but parents valued books and Dad played classical music on the stereo. When I was in high school he insisted I take typing (manual typewriters back then.) He said, "I know you're a sensitive intellectual and you're going to college, but someday you might need a job." Well, I did get a scholarship to a la-di-dah place, was miserable and left after two years. Eventually graduated elsewhere and ended up with an MA and a stab at a PhD. The MA opened doors and enabled me to do a little part-time college teaching, but I'll tell you what - being able to type saved my bacon many, many times and if I had to choose only one, that would be the one. (As for the stab at the PhD, all it did was give me years of debt and even so I am grateful that door closed.) Fifty years ago, the class system was alive and well at La-Di-Dah University, as I discovered living in a dorm with sorority girls. My accent was a huge handicap as well; looking at my transcript years later, I realized that the only professors who gave me A's were also Southerners.

Posted by: Miss Sippi at April 29, 2017 07:28 AM (Tcfj+)

168 "Liberal seat", " =  "such the seat, such the judge's condition." 

Posted by: geoffb5 at April 29, 2017 07:29 AM (d3wbb)

169 Coincidentally, Hillary was also the 6th most beautiful creature from The Dark Crystal. /stealing a joke from myself /I told it better this time Posted by: BourbonChicken Americans and Islamists together in peace! Please!

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at April 29, 2017 07:29 AM (vRcUp)

170 Posted by: illiniwek at April 29, 2017 12:26 PM (TmCOq) Interesting thought... but not sure I agree... Christianity in the West changed the lines of who belonged to what Tribe... to a point. But the various sects of Christianity still embraced the King... they often ruled with the Blessing of the Church... with Divine Right.... It wasn't until that link was broken.. when the Tribe became the Country, irrespective of religion... that things really changed. Much like the US Civil War changed peoples Tribe from being a Citizen of ... say... Virginia... to a citizen of the US....

Posted by: Don Q., at April 29, 2017 07:32 AM (NgKpN)

171 I smell Gelfling!

Posted by: Ruth Baader-Meinhof at April 29, 2017 07:32 AM (LTHVh)

172 So with Christianity the "tribe" came to be any that CHOSE JC as their (spiritual) Lord, and we then became one body, joint heirs, JC as our brother. I'm not sure that Judaism changed, but anyone can become Jewish as well, regardless of bloodline. Or I assume that since my sister (sorta) became Jewish. And I intend to take the next step, and do the same with gender!

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at April 29, 2017 07:37 AM (vRcUp)

173 We don't have to worry about JEF for SCOTUS because he would actually have to work and couldn't vote 'present'.

Posted by: torabora at April 29, 2017 07:37 AM (034Xl)

174 Now (Hat tip: Ace of Spades) , a couple weeks ago, along comes a clickbait list from an outfit called Buzznet of the 30 Most Beautiful Women in the World. Yes! The whole world! In the most PC beautiful wymyn in the world they didn't include any trannies? How bigoted and closed minded of them!

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 29, 2017 07:38 AM (auHtY)

175 I'm not sure that Judaism changed, but anyone can become Jewish as well, regardless of bloodline. Or I assume that since my sister (sorta) became Jewish. Posted by: illiniwek Not as cut and dried as you might think. The more orthodox tend to see this as not a legit 'thing,' IIRC.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i][/b] at April 29, 2017 07:39 AM (GgzGa)

176 I acquired a degree in sociology in '75. I considered it completely worthless for a decade. Then I got into real estate and discovered I could apply sociologic theory and statistics to people's wants and desires and, most important, I could predict their future movements. It worked out great. Posted by: Meremortal Just don't expect to become a professor at Claremont College.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 07:40 AM (vRcUp)

177 Just don't expect to become a professor at Claremont College. Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 12:40 PM (vRcUp) Buzzkiller! My life is ruined.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 07:41 AM (3myMJ)

178 Hereditary Feudalism? Oh, my goodness, no! I hated it when my parents fought.

Posted by: Chelsea Rico-Beard Clinton at April 29, 2017 07:41 AM (Ndje9)

179 176 I acquired a degree in sociology in '75. I considered it completely worthless for a decade. Then I got into real estate and discovered I could apply sociologic theory and statistics to people's wants and desires and, most important, I could predict their future movements. It worked out great. Posted by: Meremortal Just don't expect to become a professor at Claremont College. Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 12:40 PM (vRcUp) Yes, at Claremont actually USING your degree is against the rules....

Posted by: Don Q., at April 29, 2017 07:41 AM (NgKpN)

180 I think we should call it Clarabelle College from now on. You have to be old to get that one.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 07:41 AM (3myMJ)

181 The more orthodox tend to see this as not a legit 'thing,' IIRC. Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 29, 2017 12:39 PM (GgzGa) the Orthodox allow conversions but it is a not a simple process. It requires dedication, study, and commitment.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 29, 2017 07:42 AM (KlI/a)

182 167---Posted by: Miss Sippi at April 29, 2017 12:28 PM (Tcfj+) ------------------------- My single greatest regret, in so far as education is concerned, is that I did NOT take typing. At least until the computer age, being a reasonably skilled typist was THE ticket to employment. And often a secretarial job would lead to advancement. It's also a very useful skill just for living. I'm a pathetic hunt-and-peck fool to this day. (I made sure that all of my kids learned.)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 29, 2017 07:42 AM (0jtPF)

183 In the most PC beautiful wymyn in the world they didn't include any trannies? How bigoted and closed minded of them! Posted by: TheQuietMan *mishbump*

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at April 29, 2017 07:43 AM (vRcUp)

184 It wasn't until that link was broken.. when the Tribe became the Country, irrespective of religion... that things really changed. Much like the US Civil War changed peoples Tribe from being a Citizen of ... say... Virginia... to a citizen of the US.... Posted by: Don Q., at April 29, 2017 12:32 PM (NgKpN) ------------ You mean.....American. The civil war didn't change that. It was there before, during, and after on both side of that war. Where this country started going downhill is when being a citizen was equated with being American. I know a few citizens of the US who I would never consider as being an American.

Posted by: Soona at April 29, 2017 07:44 AM (Fmupd)

185 Most middle class people don't envy the rich. We have our own little piece of the pie. We own our own house and/or business, or work in a small business. Which means that we are pretty independent, and don't need government to direct our lives. I couldn't care less if Donald Trump owns skyscrapers and golf courses, and has a private jet. I have my own house and car and some money in the bank, and that's good enough for me. Naturally the Marxists find this intolerable. People like me are not about to support a revolution. Therefore the middle class (the "bourgeoisie") must be destroyed. I said early on that Obama's economic policies were focused on forcing people to become more dependent on the government.

Posted by: rickl at April 29, 2017 07:45 AM (sdi6R)

186 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 29, 2017 12:42 PM (0jtPF) I took typing because it was the only co-ed class at my Catholic school. Dumb luck. Have a BiL who got drafted into the army during Vietnam era. They discovered he could type, and whoosh, no overseas, no combat.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 07:45 AM (3myMJ)

187 I think we should call it Clarabelle College from now on. You have to be old to get that one. Posted by: Meremortal I'm not that old.

Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at April 29, 2017 07:47 AM (vRcUp)

188 I got it, Meremortal.  I also have on an old Daniel Boone show with Kurt Russell before his voice changed. lol.

Posted by: Infidel at April 29, 2017 07:49 AM (uKRys)

189 @aussie spent the week in Italy. Rome Florence Venice with some others thrown in. Took my bride to see the major sites of Italy. Headed home. We are over the North Atlantic now.

Posted by: blaster at April 29, 2017 07:52 AM (//qKy)

190 Most middle class people don't envy the rich. We have our own little piece of the pie. We own our own house and/or business, or work in a small business. Which means that we are pretty independent, and don't need government to direct our lives.

I couldn't care less if Donald Trump owns skyscrapers and golf courses, and has a private jet. I have my own house and car and some money in the bank, and that's good enough for me.

Naturally the Marxists find this intolerable. People like me are not about to support a revolution. Therefore the middle class (the "bourgeoisie") must be destroyed.

I said early on that Obama's economic policies were focused on forcing people to become more dependent on the government.

Posted by: rickl at April 29, 2017 12:45 PM (sdi6R)

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I do believe that there are Commandments about envy and covetousness.


If the bourgeoisie is not a part of the Government, that dirty money earned must be confiscated.  The only good and clean money is laundered through the Government.  (unfortunately /s tag doesn't work)

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 29, 2017 07:52 AM (MIKMs)

191 You mean.....American. The civil war didn't change that. It was there before, during, and after on both side of that war. Where this country started going downhill is when being a citizen was equated with being American. I know a few citizens of the US who I would never consider as being an American. Posted by: Soona at April 29, 2017 12:44 PM (Fmupd) Actually... from the writings I've read from before and after the Civil War, it was a major turning point in attitude.... I think there is a major tribal identity with the Flag you fight and die under. The winners of that fight fought under the Banner of the US... while the South's battle Flags were almost all STATE Flags... IMO that created a watershed moment in the self identification of the citizen...

Posted by: Don Q., at April 29, 2017 07:53 AM (NgKpN)

192 187 I think we should call it Clarabelle College from now on. You have to be old to get that one. Posted by: Meremortal I'm not that old. Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at April 29, 2017 12:47 PM (vRcUp) Howdy Doody is unavailable for comment...

Posted by: Don Q., at April 29, 2017 07:54 AM (NgKpN)

193 186 I took typing because it was the only co-ed class at my Catholic school. Dumb luck. Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 12:45 PM (3myMJ) -------------------------- Looking back over my life, I am amused to find that some of the things I did for silly reasons like that turned out to be....brilliant. (And some were disasters too!)

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 29, 2017 07:54 AM (0jtPF)

194 Posted by: Infidel at April 29, 2017 12:49 PM (uKRys) My sis is an antique freak. She gave me an old book, "The Life Of Daniel Boone", from 1934. The un-PC-ness would destroy today's college snowflakes.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 07:54 AM (3myMJ)

195 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 29, 2017 12:54 PM (0jtPF) Yes, isn't that crazy? The strangest things can lead to incredible experiences and life-changes for the good.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 07:56 AM (3myMJ)

196 Most middle class people don't envy the rich. We have our own little piece of the pie. We own our own house and/or business, or work in a small business. Which means that we are pretty independent, and don't need government to direct our lives. I couldn't care less if Donald Trump owns skyscrapers and golf courses, and has a private jet. I have my own house and car and some money in the bank, and that's good enough for me. Naturally the Marxists find this intolerable. People like me are not about to support a revolution. Therefore the middle class (the "bourgeoisie") must be destroyed. I said early on that Obama's economic policies were focused on forcing people to become more dependent on the government. Posted by: rickl I think this is very important. I think any reasonable, ethical person would agree that if you are living according to a certain absolute standard, you have nothing to complain about, and you do not begrudge someone with more than you, no matter how much more. But the Left likes to claim that some injustice is being done, based purely on a relative disparity. They always say things like, "The CEO makes X times more than his employees! It's shameful!" without ever addressing the fact of *how* well the employees are living, as an objective fact. It's all based on envy for them.

Posted by: Chelsea Clinton at April 29, 2017 07:56 AM (vRcUp)

197 Chelsea ... I am your father ..

Posted by: Howdy Doody at April 29, 2017 07:58 AM (LTHVh)

198 Most middle class people don't envy the rich. The high middle of the economic bell curve correlates with voting republican. The democrats, rich people wanting to sway the government, poor people wishing to benefit, are at war with normal people on two fronts.

Posted by: BourbonChicken at April 29, 2017 07:58 AM (VdICR)

199 185 Most middle class people don't envy the rich. We have our own little piece of the pie. We own our own house and/or business, or work in a small business. Which means that we are pretty independent, and don't need government to direct our lives. I couldn't care less if Donald Trump owns skyscrapers and golf courses, and has a private jet. I have my own house and car and some money in the bank, and that's good enough for me. Naturally the Marxists find this intolerable. People like me are not about to support a revolution. Therefore the middle class (the "bourgeoisie") must be destroyed. I said early on that Obama's economic policies were focused on forcing people to become more dependent on the government. Posted by: rickl at April 29, 2017 12:45 PM (sdi6R) --------------- Agree. I'm comfortable and happy. And living in Oklahoma, I feel relatively free and independent from government. And I will fight anyone that tries to take it away from me.

Posted by: Soona at April 29, 2017 07:59 AM (Fmupd)

200 Bret Stephens of the Wall Street Journal and confirmed NeverTurniper was recently hired by the Noo Yawk Times... @seankent I'm on hold with the @nytimes trying to cancel. They told me they're slammed with people canceling subscriptions because of Bret Stephens. Such move. So hip. Concern.

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i][/b] at April 29, 2017 08:00 AM (GgzGa)

201 By the way, unemployment rate in Colorado is now 2.6%, lowest in the USA.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 08:02 AM (3myMJ)

202 You mean.....American. The civil war didn't change that. It was there before, during, and after on both side of that war. Where this country started going downhill is when being a citizen was equated with being American. I know a few citizens of the US who I would never consider as being an American. Posted by: Soona That's a generous impulse ("I disagree with this person, but he's still an American"), but at this point, it's misguided. Regarding certain people as Americans, and we all know the group who I'm talking about, is like regarding Jeffrey Dahmer as a human being. Well, in a very limited, biological sense, yes. But not with all the connotations that the term "human being" usually has.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 08:06 AM (vRcUp)

203 I said early on that Obama's economic policies were focused on forcing people to become more dependent on the government. Posted by: rickl at April 29, 2017 12:45 PM (sdi6R) My opinion was slightly different. Remember during the Reagan era when some people got jobs, started businesses, worked their butts off and made fortunes? Millions of jobs created in some months. Obama was going to do little or nothing to create the kind of environment where ambitious people would succeed. Without ambitious people succeeding there would be little or no job growth, in fact just the opposite. One look at the declining job participation ratio chart shows continuing decline for nearly every month (I think there was one month of uptick - toward the end) of his eight years.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum [i] at April 29, 2017 08:06 AM (HTdUD)

204 Have a BiL who got drafted into the army during Vietnam era. They discovered he could type, and whoosh, no overseas, no combat. Posted by: Meremortal Howard Stern's father forced him to learn how to type because, "Even a moron can get a job if he can type".

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 08:09 AM (vRcUp)

205 I support the "counter-revolution" against the PC Marxists and the Antifa astro-turf chaos.  Countering the globalists has been made a "revolutionary" concept.  It is a war against the oligarchs, but is mostly a psyop war/resistance.

Black Lives matter types were given "room to riot" in Baltimore, and Ferguson also had stand down orders, it seems.  The Soros funding and Obama/Holder/Sharpton coordination inspired a few to shoot cops, but I think those are dying movements.  I don't think we will have to "go to the mattresses" unless there is real chaos which is more likely to come from some financial meltdown than from these Soros-funded hate groups.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 29, 2017 08:11 AM (TmCOq)

206 I know a few citizens of the US who I would never consider as being an American. Me, for a start, I'm sure, and I'd agree with you. Unfortunately the country I'd like to be a citizen of, pre-war England, no longer exists.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 08:13 AM (6FqZa)

207 186 Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 29, 2017 12:42 PM (0jtPF) I took typing because it was the only co-ed class at my Catholic school. Dumb luck. _________________________ My son took typing for the same reason - cute girls in the class. Now he works in computing and says it's the best thing he learned in high school.

Posted by: Miss Sippi at April 29, 2017 08:14 AM (Tcfj+)

208 Chelsea ... I am your father ..
Posted by: Howdy Doody at April 29, 2017 12:58 PM (LTHVh)
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Ahem.

Posted by: Ward Hubbell [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 29, 2017 08:14 AM (oNUc7)

209 When I was in high school mumble years ago, it was mostly the girls who took typing, since it prepared them to become secretaries. Years later when I got my first computer, I got a book to learn typing. Now I can do better than two-finger hunt-and-peck, but I'm no great shakes.

Posted by: rickl at April 29, 2017 08:16 AM (sdi6R)

210 Obama's #1 Domestic goal: keeping the American economy suppressed in order to weaken America and put millions more on assistance as a way of instituting socialism. #1 Foreign Policy goal: keeping the Mullahs in power by suppressing Iranian democracy and giving them the Bomb. By those metrics, Pres. Reagan-in-Reverse was a success. So far.

Posted by: The Gipper Lives at April 29, 2017 08:17 AM (Ndje9)

211 Black Lives matter types were given "room to riot" in Baltimore, and Ferguson also had stand down orders, it seems. The Soros funding and Obama/Holder/Sharpton coordination inspired a few to shoot cops, but I think those are dying movements. I don't think we will have to "go to the mattresses" unless there is real chaos which is more likely to come from some financial meltdown than from these Soros-funded hate groups. Posted by: illiniwek at April 29, 2017 01:11 PM (TmCOq) ----------------- Never underestimate the enemy. If BLM and other leftist groups seem to be winding down, it's only because they're changing their form and tactics. They're still here in force and still want you in full submission.......or dead.

Posted by: Soona at April 29, 2017 08:17 AM (Fmupd)

212 Posted by: Miss Sippi at April 29, 2017 01:14 PM (Tcfj+) Heh. I got fast enough on those old manuals that I'd get two keys stuck together from striking them too close in succession.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 08:18 AM (3myMJ)

213 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 01:13 PM (6FqZa) There will always be an England. It may not be satisfactory...

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 08:19 AM (3myMJ)

214 I don't think we will have to "go to the mattresses" unless there is real chaos which is more likely to come from some financial meltdown than from these Soros-funded hate groups. Whew! That's a load off my back.

Posted by: Emma Sulkowicz at April 29, 2017 08:19 AM (vRcUp)

215 my seriously less than beloved mother made me go to summer school between 8th and 9th grade, so i could learn to type.

since i had no option, i went down and enrolled, rather unenthusiastically.

came home, and proceeded to start covering the keys over with small pieces of tape, as the teacher said to do, so i could practice. (not the dutiful son, just didn't want yet another beating)

she had a shit fit, and told me to stop, that she had to use the typewriter too, and that i should instead tape a piece of paper to drape over the keyboard.

from that, i quickly deduced that the witch couldn't type herself, and that i didn't really have to give a shit about learning.

finally picked up a semblance of touch typing after i got a computer and got on line.

a highly overrated skill, imho.


Posted by: redc1c4 [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 29, 2017 08:20 AM (oNUc7)

216 "the Orthodox allow conversions but it is a not a simple process. It requires dedication, study, and commitment. Posted by: Nevergiveup

yeah my sister was learning some Hebrew and doing some studies ... I said "sorta" because I'm not sure she completed the tasks to the end of being fully "Jewish" (if that is a thing).  I don't even know is it was orthodox.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 29, 2017 08:20 AM (TmCOq)

217 There will always be an England. It may not be satisfactory... https://youtu.be/UBasdIOVY7c

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 29, 2017 08:21 AM (IqV8l)

218 They're still here in force and still want you in full submission.......or dead.
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they forget that we have a say in those outcomes. and that they also apply to them.

Posted by: redc1c4 [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 29, 2017 08:21 AM (oNUc7)

219 I'm reading After Worlds Collide, the sequel to When Worlds Collide. Our brave Anglo-American group is being attacked by the CommieNazis! This was written in 1934, so it's Russian Reds and Japanese militarists with a sprinkle of Germans for the fascismo.

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 29, 2017 08:21 AM (NT3RT)

220 Never underestimate the enemy. If BLM and other leftist groups seem to be winding down, it's only because they're changing their form and tactics. They're still here in force and still want you in full submission.......or dead. Posted by: Soona Eh. Republicans control the majority of resources like state troopers, the armed forces, etc. Even if they're not winding down. Even if they are ramping up, the deck is stacked against them if they want to stir up shit. Perhaps this is the best thing about Hillary not being President.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 08:24 AM (vRcUp)

221 I read that some CPA who has been around 40 years says Trump's tax plan is fantastic. The riot in front of his house starts this afternoon.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 08:25 AM (3myMJ)

222 Eris: Clark Ashton Smith (yeah, I know, him again) wrote a story called The Dimension Of Chance about future 1975. Japan and China unite in a military alliance, apparently under Japanese leadership, and conquer San Francisco. Then there's the usual Smith stuff about a parallel world full of horror etc etc. I take it that in the 1930s, America was convinced that Japan would overrun the whole of China and/or convince the Chinese that they had the right Emperor. It seemed like a good idea at the time!

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 08:26 AM (6FqZa)

223 When computers first came out, typing suddenly became an important skill for everybody. But now with smartphones, people are back to typing with their thumbs. Progress!

Posted by: rickl at April 29, 2017 08:29 AM (sdi6R)

224 every time this sort of discussion starts up, i am reminded of this blog poast:

smallestminority.blogspot.com/2003/11/that-sumbitch-  aint-been-born-early.html

short and, IMHO, worth both the read and bookmarking. (take out the soaces becase tiny url is a PITA.

Posted by: redc1c4 [/b] [/i] [/s] [/u] at April 29, 2017 08:29 AM (oNUc7)

225 I read that some CPA who has been around 40 years says Trump's tax plan is fantastic. Posted by: Meremortal I only read a brief oversight of the details at BB, but didn't see much that anyone could object to. But, like I mentioned above, the democrats have become the anti-job-growth party -- for whatever reason. So I fully expect them to do everything in their power to get it derailed.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum [i] at April 29, 2017 08:30 AM (HTdUD)

226 my seriously less than beloved mother made me go to summer school between 8th and 9th grade, so i could learn to type. Count your blessings. I also had a horrible mom, but she was uglier than Yoko, and talked like Margaret Cho making fun of her mom.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 08:30 AM (vRcUp)

227 Eh. Republicans control the majority of resources like state troopers, the armed forces, etc. Even if they're not winding down. Even if they are ramping up, the deck is stacked against them if they want to stir up shit. Perhaps this is the best thing about Hillary not being President. Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 01:24 PM (vRcUp) --------------- There are repubs that want the same thing as many of these leftist groups. Don't be counting on a "political" party to extract your ass from any fire.

Posted by: Soona at April 29, 2017 08:30 AM (Fmupd)

228 Oh,I'd say he more than considered it... https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/263692/

Posted by: steevy at April 29, 2017 08:31 AM (r/0kC)

229 Around 1980 many in America were freaking about over Japanese investment in the USA. "They're going to own the entire country!" was a common sentence to hear. There was an outcry when Japanese investors bought Pebble Beach for $8 billion. Some years later they quietly sold it for $4 billion during one of those crashes that are always called "The Big One".

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 08:32 AM (3myMJ)

230 I don't like the metrics for them determining "unemployment". Wish they would concentrate on factual U6 number.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 29, 2017 08:32 AM (89T5c)

231 BTH, I just checked my CAS anthology and alas, it's not in there. But it's here! http://www.eldritchdark.com/writings/short-stories/45/the-dimension-of-chance

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 29, 2017 08:33 AM (NT3RT)

232 Oh,I'd say he more than considered it...


https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/263692/
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hahahha.

I was convinced that was a link to the story about the accountant who liked Trumps tax plan!

Posted by: shibumi at April 29, 2017 08:33 AM (8zWAk)

233 Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at April 29, 2017 01:30 PM (HTdUD) Interesting. I didn't bother to read it since I figure it won't be recognizable or worth a shit after Congress gets through with it.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 08:33 AM (3myMJ)

234 Colts are letting a Orangutan make their draft picks

Posted by: Skip at April 29, 2017 08:33 AM (Ot7+c)

235 229 Apparently the Japanese believed it too.Saw a Godzilla from the late 80's where round eye time travelers from the future came back to keep Japan from being the most powerful country in the world.

Posted by: steevy at April 29, 2017 08:34 AM (r/0kC)

236 Whoa, Chiefs trade up again!

Posted by: logprof at April 29, 2017 08:35 AM (GsAUU)

237 You're welcome for the orangutan.

Posted by: Cleveland Browns at April 29, 2017 08:36 AM (89T5c)

238 "But the various sects of Christianity still embraced the King... they often ruled with the Blessing of the Church... with Divine Right....
It wasn't until that link was broken.. when the Tribe became the Country, irrespective of religion... that things really changed.
Much like the US Civil War changed peoples Tribe from being a Citizen of ... say... Virginia... to a citizen of the US.... Posted by: Don Q.

yeah I made kinda broad points ... lots of nuance in the comparison. 

To me, the Pope took on the role of a king, and for a time had the same problem as Jesus confronted, church leaders acting as "dictators".  The Jewish people (and some Gentiles even) accepted Jesus, it was the Pharisees that had become legalistic "dictators, where Jesus turned over the tables of the money changers (selling sacrificial offerings or something?).

It is true we cannot "serve God and mammon", but we can put our beliefs first and still be a "good citizen" faithful to our own civic beliefs.  Those fit into different frameworks in different (democratic) countries.   But to the end a country does not allow liberty, the "good citizen" has to resist the "dictator/oligarch" system.

or something like that.  PC cultural Marxism is designed to destroy liberty and ties to culture, and much of that culture that was strongest was Western 'judeo/Christian' culture.  The Islamic culture is already totalitarian.  Obama's black liberation theology church (Rev. Wright) was already Marxist.  lots of nuances 

Posted by: illiniwek at April 29, 2017 08:36 AM (TmCOq)

239 226 my seriously less than beloved mother made me go to summer school between 8th and 9th grade, so i could learn to type. Count your blessings. I also had a horrible mom, but she was uglier than Yoko, and talked like Margaret Cho making fun of her mom. Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 01:30 PM (vRcUp) That sucks, but it's good to know I've got company.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 29, 2017 08:36 AM (08Did)

240 Logprof- My team drafted JuJu Schuster whatever-the hell last night. Looks like he's got some talent.

Posted by: Mr Aspirin Factory at April 29, 2017 08:37 AM (89T5c)

241 Another running back?

Posted by: logprof at April 29, 2017 08:38 AM (GsAUU)

242 No wait, that was the Eagles.

Posted by: logprof at April 29, 2017 08:38 AM (GsAUU)

243 Posted by: redc1c4 at April 29, 2017 01:29 PM (oNUc7) I had to go look up the story. I read it some years ago with a slightly different cast. The American was a Texian rancher working in his muddy corral. The English Lord and the rest of the story were the same except the Lord was looking to buy land.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 08:39 AM (3myMJ)

244 A wide receiver! And a Wolverine. Woo hoo!

Posted by: logprof at April 29, 2017 08:39 AM (GsAUU)

245 Teams are trading up and down its getting hard to keep track

Posted by: Skip at April 29, 2017 08:40 AM (Ot7+c)

246 "Whoa, Chiefs trade up again!" Did they get Hershel Walker?

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 08:40 AM (3myMJ)

247 Well, I guess I have parental privilege.  Both my parents, for all their human flaws, were great parents, people, and lots of fun to be around.

Made things a lot easier for me when they got older because I really found them good to be around.

I was totally blessed and privileged.

Posted by: mustbequantum at April 29, 2017 08:41 AM (MIKMs)

248 Posted by: mustbequantum at April 29, 2017 01:41 PM (MIKMs) Me too! My parents came from disparate but dirt poor backgrounds from different countries. But they always believed anything was possible with hard work, and always looked to run their own business, not have jobs.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 08:43 AM (3myMJ)

249 Interesting. I didn't bother to read it since I figure it won't be recognizable or worth a shit after Congress gets through with it. Posted by: Meremortal My pet peeve has always been that the tax rates on the lowest rung - say a waitress making min. wage and a couple grand in tips - still has to fork over a couple grand a year. Which the government then hands that two grand over in benefits to someone who does not belong in this country. I don't mind when the government is generous with rich peoples money. Those just starting out in life, or working in necessary but poorly remunerated jobs? Ouch. Anyway, the lowest rung, under the Trump plan won't have much to pay.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum [i] at April 29, 2017 08:44 AM (HTdUD)

250 Heh, still waiting for Jake Butt's name to be called.

Posted by: logprof at April 29, 2017 08:44 AM (GsAUU)

251 "All was irregular and freakish, testifying to a haphazard law of development. It seemed that this whole chaotic cosmos in which the men found themselves had been shaped from atoms and electrons that had formed no fixed patterns of behavior, and whose one controlling law was chance. Nothing, apparently, was duplicated; the very stones and minerals were anomalous. What further irregularities they would encounter, Morris and Markley could not guess. In a world subject to chance, everything would be incalculable; and the action of the simplest natural laws would be wholly erratic and undependable. A horror of this lawless world gradually arose in them."

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 29, 2017 08:45 AM (NT3RT)

252 Colts are letting a Orangutan make their draft picks Posted by: Skip With his shit?

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i][/b] at April 29, 2017 08:46 AM (GgzGa)

253 Anyway, the lowest rung, under the Trump plan won't have much to pay. Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at April 29, 2017 01:44 PM (HTdUD) I'll be happy if I pay the same but preparing my taxes takes a lot less time. Simplification would be a blessing.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 08:47 AM (3myMJ)

254 243 Posted by: redc1c4 at April 29, 2017 01:29 PM (oNUc7) I had to go look up the story. I read it some years ago with a slightly different cast. The American was a Texian rancher working in his muddy corral. The English Lord and the rest of the story were the same except the Lord was looking to buy land. Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 01:39 PM (3myMJ) It's probably one of those apocryphal stories that has a basis in truth. The version I read had a farmer mucking out his stable. Obviously, any English landowner would have servants to do that. I work at a small business, and the owner works longer hours than any of his employees. He has been known to clean the toilets himself.

Posted by: rickl at April 29, 2017 08:50 AM (sdi6R)

255 I don't mind when the government is generous with rich peoples money. Those just starting out in life, or working in necessary but poorly remunerated jobs? Ouch. Anyway, the lowest rung, under the Trump plan won't have much to pay. Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at April 29, 2017 01:44 PM (HTdUD) ---------------- How marxist of you. So I guess rich people don't deserve to keep the money they've earned. After all, once they make their nut they're on easy street and never have to work hard ever again.

Posted by: Soona at April 29, 2017 08:51 AM (Fmupd)

256 I'll be happy if I pay the same but preparing my taxes takes a lot less time. Simplification would be a blessing. Posted by: Meremortal Well the issue of standard deduction versus itemized deductions will be simpler for a lot of people. The proposal looks to double the standard deduction. The itemized deduction page is where I spend hours of my prep time. So there's that, if it applies to you.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum [i] at April 29, 2017 08:53 AM (HTdUD)

257 "A horror of this lawless world gradually arose in them."

Yeah, I live in California too.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 29, 2017 08:53 AM (qJjMA)

258 I work at a small business, and the owner works longer hours than any of his employees. He has been known to clean the toilets himself. Posted by: rickl at April 29, 2017 01:50 PM (sdi6R) Heh. Reminds me of my buddy who built a $4mm annual revenue business by starting out of the trunk of his car. He said he still had to empty the wastebaskets at work because no one else would do it.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 08:54 AM (3myMJ)

259 Yeah, I live in California too. Posted by: torquewrench at April 29, 2017 01:53 PM (qJjMA) ---- "Too astonished even for profanity, they stared without comment at this unique reversal of what they were accustomed to regard as natural law."

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 29, 2017 08:55 AM (NT3RT)

260 No the Orangutan used a touch screen

Posted by: Skip at April 29, 2017 08:55 AM (Ot7+c)

261 In a world subject to chance, everything would be incalculable; and the action of the simplest natural laws would be wholly erratic and undependable. A horror of this lawless world gradually arose in them." Posted by: All Hail Eris *hangs up sign* This is a dice free zone.

Posted by: Albert Einstein at April 29, 2017 08:57 AM (vRcUp)

262 Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at April 29, 2017 01:53 PM (HTdUD) I'm what people call retired. For 2016 I had 14 separate sources of income, none of it W-2. Some 1099s are as low as $600. Then there's the rental properties. Schedule C's out the ying-yang, mileage, expenses, depreciation, etc. Luckily that will drop to about 8 in 2017. That reminds me, are the O-care penalties really gone? I've got to stay under $60k in AGI for 2017 if they aren't. Saving $11K on the MereWife's insurance by doing that.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 08:59 AM (3myMJ)

263 So I guess rich people don't deserve to keep the money they've earned. This thread is getting interesting. Although I'd dial back some of the rhetoric... because Marx had a point. What do we do about people who "make their nut" but never identify with the American people? In the old days we had an aristocracy. In the gilded-age we had so-called robber barons. Both at least donated to local charities (even if, especially in the former case, this was selective). Marx predicted that the "bourgeoisie" would identify with itself across borders and screw over the worker. Now we got Gates, Brin, and Zuckerberg trying to replace our demographics and subvert our culture. So what do we do? Dictatorship of the proletariat doesn't work, as Orwell noticed. But we got to do something. I mean, other than writs of attainder against Brin.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 08:59 AM (6FqZa)

264 Damn, Karl Mecklenberg. And the Broncos select Jake Butt!!!

Posted by: logprof at April 29, 2017 09:00 AM (GsAUU)

265 This is a dice free zone. Posted by: Albert Einstein * puts D20 back into velvet bag * * pulls drawstring *

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i][/b] at April 29, 2017 09:02 AM (GgzGa)

266 How marxist of you. So I guess rich people don't deserve to keep the money they've earned. After all, once they make their nut they're on easy street and never have to work hard ever again. Posted by: Soona Not marxist. I want as many people to work as possible. The rich can pay for open borders, esl special ed teachers, 78 different languages in public schools, the entire liberal agenda. They *can* afford the liberal agenda. The poor can't and shouldn't have to pay for it.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum [i] at April 29, 2017 09:02 AM (HTdUD)

267 What do we do about people who "make their nut" but never identify with the American people? We must break their nut!

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at April 29, 2017 09:02 AM (vRcUp)

268 We must break their nut! Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at April 29, 2017 02:02 PM (vRcUp) That's my line.

Posted by: Ivan Drago at April 29, 2017 09:03 AM (8nWyX)

269 Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 01:59 PM (6FqZa) A return of high economic mobility would go a long way towards assuaging class envy. Some years back 80% of people earning in the lowest quintile would eventually reach the top earning quintile during their working lives. I don't think things are that good these days.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 09:04 AM (3myMJ)

270 That reminds me, are the O-care penalties really gone? I've got to stay under $60k in AGI for 2017 if they aren't. Saving $11K on the MereWife's insurance by doing that. Posted by: Meremortal Yes. The IRS has issued a statement. The first EO Trump signed indicated that was his intention and the IRS issued their intent to no longer 'send back' returns with the applicable field blank.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum [i] at April 29, 2017 09:05 AM (HTdUD)

271 The poor can't and shouldn't have to pay for it. Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at April 29, 2017 02:02 PM (HTdUD) TdUD) You're gonna need a bigger boat full of rich people....

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 09:05 AM (3myMJ)

272 This should be on Topic. What in the fuck has happened to society?!?! I was at the gym doing shoulders and legs, and a tatted up feminists came up to me and told me that breathing loud and grunting was offensive and asked me to stop. I said I'm breathing and lifting. She said everybody else is to but they aren't making loud offensive noises. WTF?!?! That is how you are suppose to lift weights for crying out loud. I go there for two hours a day to bust my ass to get strong and stay strong and some fat tatted up feminist tells me I'm being offensive amd to basically shut up. I have to speak with management tomorrow to make sure what I can and can't do so some stupid feminist doesn't target me and get me thrown out and ruin my life because I have a custody court case pending for my son. Offended for breathing while lifting weights and told to shut up basically. Real empowerment right there. Fuck I'm pissed off.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 09:05 AM (2qHjF)

273 "Too astonished even for profanity, they stared without comment at this unique reversal of what they were accustomed to regard as natural law."

An excellent summation of when I last attended a public parade in SF.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 29, 2017 09:06 AM (qJjMA)

274 You're gonna need a bigger boat full of rich people.... or spend much much less.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 29, 2017 09:06 AM (LTHVh)

275 "There was an outcry when Japanese investors bought Pebble Beach for $8 billion. Some years later they quietly sold it for $4 billion during one of those crashes that are always called "The Big One". Posted by: Meremortal

yeah, we managed to "repel" the Japanese but they bought up real estate in a bubble.  China and others have been buying mining and other assets around the globe.  And globalists here are more concerned about their oligarch status than "America First".  The Soviets are gone, sorta.  Their influence on Hollywood ... and their march through our institutions ... endures.  They are maybe stronger than ever, except for the defeat of Hillary.

Soon we have to defend Americans and Western Culture, here and in Europe.  Maybe we don't have to march through their institutions (Bush doctrine of spreading democracy?) ... but the 1965 Immigration Act will bear its demographic fruit (a Hispanic majority) in a few decades if something is not changed.

Europe will be Islamic even sooner, if they don't decide Western Culture must prevail.  The globalists got rich by dominating NY/DC policy, and they are anti-America first.  We can't count on a Japan of the 80's style outcome.

Posted by: illiniwek at April 29, 2017 09:06 AM (TmCOq)

276 The income tax is of the Devil.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 29, 2017 09:06 AM (LTHVh)

277 Offended for breathing while lifting weights and told to shut up basically. Real empowerment right there. Fuck I'm pissed off. Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 02:05 PM (2qHjF) --Just bizarre. So grunting while lifting weights is "triggering" now?

Posted by: logprof at April 29, 2017 09:07 AM (GsAUU)

278 Posted by: E Depluribus Unum at April 29, 2017 02:05 PM (HTdUD) Woohoo! Thanks, Donald!

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 09:07 AM (3myMJ)

279 Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW TOXIC MASCULINITY!!

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 09:07 AM (6FqZa)

280 What do we do about people who "make their nut" but never identify with the American people? In the old days we had an aristocracy. In the gilded-age we had so-called robber barons. Both at least donated to local charities (even if, especially in the former case, this was selective). Marx predicted that the "bourgeoisie" would identify with itself across borders and screw over the worker. Now we got Gates, Brin, and Zuckerberg trying to replace our demographics and subvert our culture. So what do we do? Dictatorship of the proletariat doesn't work, as Orwell noticed. But we got to do something. I mean, other than writs of attainder against Brin. Posted by: boulder terlit hobo The most despicable capitalists are preferable to government, because governments are coercive, but with capitalists, you can refuse to do business, or sue them. In this case people have the power simply not to use their products. If most people choose not to do that, even when it becomes apparent that people like Zuckerberg are a menace, they deserve what they get. Even as a kid, when they taught us about anti-trusts, I was thinking "yeah, it's kind of slimy what they did" (ie. lower the prices to put small businesses out of business, then jack up the prices and screw in the thumb screws), but I also thought, most people should figure out eventually what that strategy is, and just not go along with it. We don't need the government passing "anti trust" laws.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at April 29, 2017 09:07 AM (vRcUp)

281 So everyone can get the best subsidies and lowest payments on health insurance now by just claiming they won't make big bucks. That should collapse O-care quickly no matter else is done or not done.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 09:09 AM (3myMJ)

282 "I was at the gym doing shoulders and legs, and a tatted up feminists came up to me and told me that breathing loud and grunting was offensive and asked me to stop."

Tell her you have a mild case of asthma.

Then allude to the Americans with Disabilities Act, and discrimination lawsuit settlements with lots and lots of zeroes on the check, and remind her that she may be personally named as a party to the suit if the gym acts against you in the matter.

Lawfare works both directions if you play it right.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 29, 2017 09:09 AM (qJjMA)

283 Three great new NFL names. Taco Charlton JuJu Smith-Schuster Jake Butt You have company, Barkevious Mingo.

Posted by: logprof at April 29, 2017 09:09 AM (GsAUU)

284 Taco Charlton Please tell me his middle name isn't "Bell".

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 09:10 AM (6FqZa)

285 bth, any take on the Texans trading up for DeShaun Watson?

Posted by: logprof at April 29, 2017 09:10 AM (GsAUU)

286 I have to leave for a while. But the point I want to make is that of 'disproportionate impact' of runaway government spending on immigration issues. It affects the working poor a helluva lot harder than the wealthy.

Posted by: E Depluribus Unum [i] at April 29, 2017 09:10 AM (HTdUD)

287 This thread is getting interesting. Although I'd dial back some of the rhetoric... because Marx had a point. What do we do about people who "make their nut" but never identify with the American people? In the old days we had an aristocracy. In the gilded-age we had so-called robber barons. Both at least donated to local charities (even if, especially in the former case, this was selective). Marx predicted that the "bourgeoisie" would identify with itself across borders and screw over the worker. Now we got Gates, Brin, and Zuckerberg trying to replace our demographics and subvert our culture. So what do we do? Dictatorship of the proletariat doesn't work, as Orwell noticed. But we got to do something. I mean, other than writs of attainder against Brin. Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 01:59 PM (6FqZa) ------------------ Then rebel against the person's ideas. The money he's earned is his. Any deviation from that sparks the destruction of financial upward mobility from the lowest rung to the highest. If he's earned it, he gets to keep it, just like myself. What he does with it is something altogether different.

Posted by: Soona at April 29, 2017 09:11 AM (Fmupd)

288 logprof, not really, been too busy with the Rockets to see what the Texan draft is up to.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 09:11 AM (6FqZa)

289 Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 02:05 PM (2qHjF) I would have told her she had every right to be as offended as she felt needed. Unfortunately I've heard that some gyms actually have rules against what she's complaining about. That's why I've always kept weights and a bench at home, and a chinup bar and pulley for lat work in the garage.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 09:12 AM (3myMJ)

290 I was just thinking recently that most of us here won't live to see 2050. But we might live to see the end of the world.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at April 29, 2017 09:12 AM (A3Q3P)

291 Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 02:05 PM (2qHjF) +++ I hate people.

Posted by: washrivergal at April 29, 2017 09:13 AM (6ZFKO)

292 282 "I was at the gym doing shoulders and legs, and a tatted up feminists came up to me and told me that breathing loud and grunting was offensive and asked me to stop." Tell her you have a mild case of asthma. Then allude to the Americans with Disabilities Act, and discrimination lawsuit settlements with lots and lots of zeroes on the check, and remind her that she may be personally named as a party to the suit if the gym acts against you in the matter. Lawfare works both directions if you play it right. Posted by: torquewrench at April 29, 2017 02:09 PM (qJjMA) Good thinking.

Posted by: rickl at April 29, 2017 09:13 AM (sdi6R)

293 Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at April 29, 2017 02:12 PM (A3Q3P) I'm convinced I will live long enough to see the end of my life.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 09:13 AM (3myMJ)

294 284 Taco Charlton Please tell me his middle name isn't "Bell". Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 02: PM (6FqZa) --According to Wiki, his legal first name is Vidauntae. His Twitter handle is @TheSupremeTaco

Posted by: logprof at April 29, 2017 09:15 AM (GsAUU)

295 MSNBC is in talks with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt about creating a show for him on weekend evenings, four well-placed sources at the network tell Daily Intelligencer.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 29, 2017 09:15 AM (IqV8l)

296 Out for a bit. You cats are the greatest. You actually think about things, many different things.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 09:15 AM (3myMJ)

297 Do you know why that fat tattoed leftis c**t fascist told you what to do? Because she can. She is of the group who makes The Rules.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at April 29, 2017 09:16 AM (A3Q3P)

298 gym doing shoulders and legs, and a tatted up feminists came up to me and told me that breathing loud and grunting was offensive and asked me to stop." Tell her you have a mild case of asthma. Then allude to the Americans with Disabilities Act, and discrimination lawsuit settlements with lots and lots of zeroes on the check, and remind her that she may be personally named as a party to the suit if the gym acts against you in the matter. Lawfare works both directions if you play it right. Posted by: torquewrench at April 29, 2017 02:09 PM (qJjMA) Interesting because I have had multiple surgeries on my shoulders and elbows and I'm trying to get back to I can do physical labor to provide for my son. When I speak to management tomorrow I will remind them of this. Yes she was triggered by a man breathing and grunting lifting weights and decided to be am entitled dominating feminist and tell me that I was being offensive for breathing and working. No she did not work there but people like are the ones who create problems for 98% of the rest of us.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 09:16 AM (2qHjF)

299 295 MSNBC is in talks with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt about creating a show for him on weekend evenings, four well-placed sources at the network tell Daily Intelligencer. Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 29, 2017 02:15 PM (IqV8l) *types* *deletes*

Posted by: rickl at April 29, 2017 09:16 AM (sdi6R)

300 Do you know why that fat tattoed leftist fascist c**t goes to the/that gym? To go on Patrol for Rule Breakers, ie, Infidels. She is the Police. And she is not alone.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at April 29, 2017 09:17 AM (A3Q3P)

301 I'm also positive that my 7 year old zerohedge tee shirt probably had something to do with it because it says zerohedge. But yes I triggered a tatted up fat feminist for breathing and grunting while lifting weights and told I was being offensive and to basically shut up.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 09:18 AM (2qHjF)

302 You know who this benefits? Mitt Romney.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 09:18 AM (6FqZa)

303 Do you know why that fat tattoed leftist fascist c**t goes to the/that gym? To go on Patrol for Rule Breakers, ie, Infidels. She is the Police Red Guard. And she is not alone. Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at April 29, 2017 02:17 PM (A3Q3P) FIFY.

Posted by: rickl at April 29, 2017 09:18 AM (sdi6R)

304 btw, you will LOSE the argument with gym management Don't bother. Find another gym if you can't follow their stupid fascist rules. If I were you, I would continue to do what you do and MAKE them cancel your membership. Meanwhile, never again engage in a conversation with anyone at that gym.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at April 29, 2017 09:19 AM (A3Q3P)

305  Heh. I got fast enough on those old manuals that I'd get two keys stuck

There's a couple of these in the lobby of local church hall.
Kids are fascinated by them even without paper or ribbon.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at April 29, 2017 09:19 AM (FhXTo)

306 Pepe, you should start your own gym and call it "Grunts".

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 29, 2017 09:20 AM (NT3RT)

307 I once belonged to a gym. It had a no cell phones rule. Period, end of story. You leave it in the car or your locker. So, this a**hole uses one in the locker room. He's taking pictures, for some reason. I took his phone from him and threw it in the shower with the water running. They threw me out, and let him stay. Screw gyms. I'll buy my own.

Posted by: navybrat at April 29, 2017 09:21 AM (w7KSn)

308 289 Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 02:05 PM (2qHjF) I would have told her she had every right to be as offended as she felt needed. Unfortunately I've heard that some gyms actually have rules against what she's complaining about. That's why I've always kept weights and a bench at home, and a chinup bar and pulley for lat work in the garage. Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 02:12 PM (3myMJ) Are you freaking serious? Gyms have rules against breathing and grunting while lifting weights? That's how you are suppose to do it so you don't blow a vein or artery in the dead and drop dead. WTF has happened to society the last 5 years?!?

Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 09:22 AM (2qHjF)

309 My accomplishment today: I made a micro sim card into a nano sim card.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at April 29, 2017 09:22 AM (A3Q3P)

310 Dog post up

Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at April 29, 2017 09:23 AM (A3Q3P)

311 When I was going to the gym, I didn't trust the lockers, so I didn't even bring a phone. Or a wallet. I brought my ID, the gym card, and my keys. The cards went into my shoe between the sock and the sole, and the key got tied to the string on my shorts. Didn't even need pockets after all that.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 09:24 AM (6FqZa)

312 Pets thread is up.

Posted by: PaleRider at April 29, 2017 09:25 AM (8qFZP)

313 Grunting = math. In her eyes, if she's incapable of doing it then you should be ashamed to be mansplainliftingwhatever in front of her.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 29, 2017 09:25 AM (fD1ST)

314 Couple of tradesmen are standing near me at the bar yesterday, downing PBRs at happy hour prices, laughing and chatting loudly with a couple of girls on stools. One's talking about the company he works for, saying how big it is and how great they treat their guys and gals. He says, "Hey, I even got a paid holiday for Martin Luther King day! Fucking Martin Luther King! I called up my buddy who works for X and said, shit, I got Martin Luther King day off!!!" Guy could not believe his luck at living in such a wonderful progressive world. The paid holidays just keep coming.

Posted by: Les Kinetic at April 29, 2017 09:25 AM (U6f54)

315 WTF has happened to society the last 5 years?!? Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 02:22 PM (2qHjF) Fundamental transformation. Duh.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 29, 2017 09:26 AM (fD1ST)

316 Geez, the draft coverage loves to use "Philadelphia Freedom" as bumper music.

Posted by: logprof at April 29, 2017 09:26 AM (GsAUU)

317 304 btw, you will LOSE the argument with gym management Don't bother. Find another gym if you can't follow their stupid fascist rules. If I were you, I would continue to do what you do and MAKE them cancel your membership. Meanwhile, never again engage in a conversation with anyone at that gym. Posted by: Soothsayer -- That's class! at April 29, 2017 02:19 PM (A3Q3P) I'm not breaking any rules. I listen to music and keep to myself. I don't talk to anybody. I go in there and bust my ass, sweat, and throw the iron around like men are suppose to do. I feel like I've entered the twilight zone. Lifting weights and breathing hard and grunting is now offensive. How is one suppose to get stronger and bigger if you don't push yourself everytime to failure? Unreal.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 09:29 AM (2qHjF)

318 Ah yes, MLK, the saint of civil rights, who was a Republican you know, and to celebrate his legacy, which cannot be questioned, we close the schools and libraries. What better way to improve the lives of marginalised kids.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at April 29, 2017 09:29 AM (6FqZa)

319 Wow, I didn't know breathing and grunting at the gym was such a divisive issue: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/story?id=4509144&page=1 You can give the mightiest yawp and I won't care because I'm blasting my tunes (with headphones). This fellow was informed it was a grunt-free zone and was stripped of membership: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/18/nyregion/18grunt.html

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 29, 2017 09:32 AM (NT3RT)

320 So we've equalitied our way right back into a need for separate facilities for men and women, haven't we?

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 29, 2017 09:34 AM (fD1ST)

321 Pepe, you should start your own gym and call it "Grunts". Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 29, 2017 02:20 PM (NT3RT) And only right wingers can join. I bet this idea would become a successful franchise in 5 years.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 09:34 AM (2qHjF)

322 I was at the gym doing shoulders and legs, and a tatted up feminists came up to me and told me that breathing loud and grunting was offensive and asked me to stop. Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 02:05 PM (2qHjF) You should have told her, "Yeah, the fact that you're breathing offends me, too." I haven't lifted weights in years but I can't see how anyone would be offended by the normal grunting that goes with the effort required to do serious lifting. As long as you didn't sound like a woman tennis player I'm sure you were fine. What offends me are people at the gym who do silly reps with kids' weights and make pretend they are working out. They have an aversion to real work but just want to be able to say that they work out. Well ... it doesn't offend me, really, but it makes me laugh which interferes with my workout.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2017 09:35 AM (zc3Db)

323 And only right wingers can join. I bet this idea would become a successful franchise in 5 years. Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 02:34 PM (2qHjF) --- I'm only semi-joking. I kind of want to join!

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 29, 2017 09:36 AM (NT3RT)

324 Speaking of, the unisex bathrooms that are coming to satisfy the mentally ill 1% of the population is going to be so f*cking funny.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 29, 2017 09:36 AM (fD1ST)

325 319 Wow, I didn't know breathing and grunting at the gym was such a divisive issue: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Healthday/story?id=4509144&page=1 You can give the mightiest yawp and I won't care because I'm blasting my tunes (with headphones). This fellow was informed it was a grunt-free zone and was stripped of membership: http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/18/nyregion/18grunt.html Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 29, 2017 02:32 PM (NT3RT) Even without headphones who cares right?!? Hearing others busting their asses to get bigger and stronger should motivate you to get bigger and stronger. I'm in shock over this to be honest.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 09:37 AM (2qHjF)

326 Speaking of, the unisex bathrooms that are coming to satisfy the mentally ill 1% of the population is going to be so f*cking funny. Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 29, 2017 02:36 PM (fD1ST) Half the reason for that push are just to get rid of urinals. Feministas are jealous of urinals.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2017 09:37 AM (zc3Db)

327 Well ... it doesn't offend me, really, but it makes me laugh which interferes with my workout. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair They say laughter is the best medicine.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 29, 2017 09:38 AM (IqV8l)

328 Even without headphones who cares right?!? Hearing others busting their asses to get bigger and stronger should motivate you to get bigger and stronger. I'm in shock over this to be honest. Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 02:37 PM (2qHjF) Uh.... you do understand that trying to lift something heavy... and then being surprised as someone grunts really loudly next to you... could be downright dangerous?

Posted by: Don Q., at April 29, 2017 09:39 AM (NgKpN)

329 I'm in shock over this to be honest. Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 02:37 PM (2qHjF) Ahhh ... witness to the loss of innocence ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2017 09:39 AM (zc3Db)

330 322 I haven't lifted weights in years but I can't see how anyone would be offended by the normal grunting that goes with the effort required to do serious lifting. As long as you didn't sound like a woman tennis player I'm sure you were fine. Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2017 02:35 PM (zc3Db) Oh, snap!

Posted by: rickl at April 29, 2017 09:40 AM (sdi6R)

331 They say laughter is the best medicine. Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at April 29, 2017 02:38 PM (IqV8l) It helps work out the abs, at least ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2017 09:41 AM (zc3Db)

332 Go to hospitals and complain to management that you were offended by the grunting and breathing near the birthing wards.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 29, 2017 09:43 AM (fD1ST)

333 328 Even without headphones who cares right?!? Hearing others busting their asses to get bigger and stronger should motivate you to get bigger and stronger. I'm in shock over this to be honest. Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 02:37 PM (2qHjF) Uh.... you do understand that trying to lift something heavy... and then being surprised as someone grunts really loudly next to you... could be downright dangerous? Posted by: Don Q., at April 29, 2017 02:39 PM (NgKpN) If you are lifting weights, then you make noises while breathing heavy especially when at the point nearing failure, which should be the goal. I've never been to a gym in all my 25 years of training and lifting weights where men and women were not breathing hard and making noises and grunting when lifting weights. As a matter of fact, I'd say it's impossible to work out without breathing heavy and grunting when lifting weights and lifting heavy low reps or light with high reps. This is so retarded that low energy and flat out unhealthy breathing techniques when lifting are the norm because people get offended. People will get hurt this way.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 09:48 AM (2qHjF)

334 Planet Fitness has a no-grunting rule. I kid you not.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 29, 2017 09:55 AM (0mRoj)

335 The fact is that most people who belong to gyms don't grunt ... because most people who belong to gyms don't even go to work out. Gyms understand that the bulk of their money is made selling memberships to people who will never show up.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2017 10:02 AM (zc3Db)

336 It's time for some GAINZZ! Right here in the mancave and garage annex.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 10:05 AM (3myMJ)

337 Half the reason for that push are just to get rid of urinals. Feministas are jealous of urinals. There will always be sinks.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 29, 2017 10:07 AM (LTHVh)

338 334 Planet Fitness has a no-grunting rule. I kid you not. Posted by: Insomniac at April 29, 2017 02:55 PM (0mRoj) --- It's the eardrum-shattering, sphincter-tightening siren blaring that let's you know you're violating company policy. I read this, I haven't been inside a Planet Fitness (to absolutely nobody's surprise). In their zeal to be non-threatening to pencil-necked novices, they want to discourage muscle heads and peacocks.

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 29, 2017 10:09 AM (NT3RT)

339 Half the reason for that push are just to get rid of urinals. Feministas are jealous of urinals. --- I think I speak for my sex when I declare that we are absolutely not jealous of urinals.

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 29, 2017 10:11 AM (NT3RT)

340 So even though science has proven that grunting and loud breathing produces more force and helps protect the spine, it's toxic and triggers snowflakes. Seriously a right winger needs to open a chain of gyms and only let right wingers in. This is so fucking retarded, I feel like I have to walk on egg shells at the gym and stay silent. How in the hell Im I suppose to do Squat and other lifts with barbells? What about rehabbing surgically repaired joints that hurt? What a retarded society of pussies we have become. I'm going in my front yard to do body squats and push-ups and jog until the reality of this pussified society leaves my brain until tomorrow.

Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 10:12 AM (2qHjF)

341 What's the rule on loud farts?

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 10:13 AM (3myMJ)

342 Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 29, 2017 03:11 PM (NT3RT) As it should be. I've seen girls use them.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 10:15 AM (3myMJ)

343 I think I speak for my sex when I declare that we are absolutely not jealous of urinals. Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 29, 2017 03:11 PM (NT3RT) I didn't say "women". Feministas. The Fem-nazis have penis envy that could crush an elephant.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2017 10:17 AM (zc3Db)

344 Just saw on Facebook where the United Methodist Church's supreme court/council has ruled that an openly practicing lesbian bishop cannot be consecrated as homosexuality is against church teachings. And following that announcement, you can imagine the shrieking and wailing going on . There are myriad numbers of posts going out on Facebook denouncing this decision, predicting the end of the UM church, etc. If these people are so upset and so convinced that homosexual behavior should be upheld and beloved as wonderful by the church and is so prevalent in other churches, go to those other churches. There is no church doctrine in the UM beliefs that says someone who is LGBT cannot attend the UM church. What they cannot do is openly deny and violate church tenets and the bible. Its that simple. Any more than a straight person is to support adultery, murder, etc. One thing seems certain, this ruling has exposed the number of people attending the UM church who DO openly support violating church teachings.

Posted by: Jen at April 29, 2017 10:17 AM (YZ5sm)

345 I've seen girls use them. Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 03:15 PM (3myMJ) Like in Kingpin?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2017 10:18 AM (zc3Db)

346 As it should be. I've seen girls use them. Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 03:15 PM (3myMJ) -- I've seen guys use the bidet to cool champagne on ice! Fun times.

Posted by: All Hail Eris in her Black Hugo Boss Uniform with Wee Little Skulls at April 29, 2017 10:19 AM (NT3RT)

347 Planet Fitness has a no-grunting rule. I kid you not. Posted by: Insomniac at April 29, 2017 02:55 PM (0mRoj) Planet Fitness requires it's franchises to allow members who feel like the opposite sex today to shower, dress , etc. in whichever facility they like. You will never find me in one of their loony houses.

Posted by: Jen at April 29, 2017 10:19 AM (YZ5sm)

348 Like in Kingpin? Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2017 03:18 PM (zc3Db) I assume that's a movie. Almost never watch them. I watch old ones sometimes.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 10:24 AM (3myMJ)

349 The desire for fame is incoherent. It's the desire to be loved without being known. But if people don't know you, it can't be you that they love. http://agentintellect.blogspot.com/2017/03/the-incoherence-of-fame.html?m=1

Posted by: Jim S. at April 29, 2017 10:25 AM (ynUnH)

350 I assume that's a movie. Almost never watch them. I watch old ones sometimes. Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 03:24 PM (3myMJ) Kingpin is hysterical. It's a satire of The Hustler/The Color of Money with bowling. Very, very funny.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2017 10:25 AM (zc3Db)

351 There's a simple explanation for 90% of the weirdness I've seen in my life. I've been a musician for a good bit of it.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 10:26 AM (3myMJ)

352 Posted by: Jim S. at April 29, 2017 03:25 PM (ynUnH) Fame usually isn't about being loved; it's about being envied.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2017 10:28 AM (zc3Db)

353 Fame usually isn't about being loved; it's about being envied. and the poon.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 29, 2017 10:28 AM (LTHVh)

354 Just stepped in from doing squats an a jog. Every single rep I'm exhaling and making a noise. It's an explosive excersise. Any excersise requiring excess explosive movement you will make a noise. It's a sign you are working hard. I cannot believe this offends people. Even better the tatted up fat feminist had her husband there and he did nothing when she did that. He could not even have the balls to pull me aside when she was not looking to apologize for her actions, which should have embarrassed the shit out of him if he had balls. So gyms are now places you go to not work hard and release aggression and get bigger and stronger. WTF?!?!

Posted by: Widespread Pepe, MGTOW at April 29, 2017 10:30 AM (2qHjF)

355 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 29, 2017 03:25 PM (zc3Db) Thanks, if I run across it I'll try it. I watched Mission Impossible the other night. I liked the effects and the female lead could act so it was OK.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 29, 2017 10:30 AM (3myMJ)

356 >>> Planet Fitness requires it's franchises to allow members who feel like the opposite sex today to shower, dress , etc. in whichever facility they like. Does that mean if I feel like a dog I can try to lick my balls in public?

Posted by: fluffy at April 29, 2017 10:32 AM (jw2Xw)

357 >> Fame usually isn't about being... All shall love me and despair.

Posted by: 13times at April 29, 2017 10:32 AM (WHVu+)

358 Not being an AR guy, I don't know if this is a good price or not 3 Pack of Magnesium Stripped Lowers $99. http://bit.ly/2pvZDBS

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 29, 2017 10:33 AM (LTHVh)

359 358 Not being an AR guy, I don't know if this is a good price or not 3 Pack of Magnesium Stripped Lowers $99. http://bit.ly/2pvZDBS Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 29, 2017 03:33 PM (LTHVh) Stripped lowers for $33 a pop is pretty darn cheap. I can't speak for the alloy they use though.

Posted by: Insomniac at April 29, 2017 10:39 AM (0mRoj)

360 The email said they were Cerakoted, though the sales page doesn't say that. http://bit.ly/2pwhOaj

Posted by: Grump928(C) at April 29, 2017 10:46 AM (LTHVh)

361 Someone should release 80% lowers for $25 each. Not sure about drilling into magnesium, though. Might get exciting.

Posted by: Moron Robbie at April 29, 2017 10:54 AM (fD1ST)

362 $33.00 for AR lowers is way lower than the $85 to 105 I paid a couple of years ago for my three...

Posted by: Spun and Murky at April 29, 2017 11:24 AM (4DCSq)

363 I read that one of the big reasons as Americans we've become more stratified is written in the workplace. Once upon a time, the wealthy CEO would either marry someone from his class, or the secretary, who likely was from a middle or lower class background. The doctor would marry the girl from the county club -- or the nurse, who was likely from a middle class or lower class background. Now, CEO's will only marry other C suite denizens, doctors, other doctors, lawyers other lawyers, ensuring no one who's not "one of them" will never join the club.

Posted by: Lee at April 29, 2017 12:23 PM (fEi/W)

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