November 30, 2008

Thomas Freidman: Iraq Suddenly Looking Like a Success, and Guess What? Obama Gets the Credit
— Ace

This Lightworker is truly amazing. He causes wars to end successfully and young democracies to strengthen before taking office.

Here’s a story you don’t see very often. Iraq’s highest court told the Iraqi Parliament last Monday that it had no right to strip one of its members of immunity so he could be prosecuted for an alleged crime: visiting Israel for a seminar on counterterrorism. The Iraqi justices said the Sunni lawmaker, Mithal al-Alusi, had committed no crime and told the Parliament to back off.

That’s not all. The Iraqi newspaper Al-Umma al-Iraqiyya carried an open letter signed by 400 Iraqi intellectuals, both Kurdish and Arab, defending Alusi. That takes a lot of courage and a lot of press freedom. I can’t imagine any other Arab country today where independent judges would tell the government it could not prosecute a parliamentarian for visiting Israel — and intellectuals would openly defend him in the press.

In the case of Iraq, though, the federal high court, in a unanimous decision, vacated the Parliament’s rescinding of Alusi’s immunity, with the decision delivered personally by Chief Justice Medhat al-Mahmoud. The decision explained that although a 1950s-era law made traveling to Israel a crime punishable by death, Iraq’s new Constitution establishes freedom to travel. Therefore the Parliament’s move was “illegal and unconstitutional because the current Constitution does not prevent citizens from traveling to any country in the world,” Abdul-Sattar Bayrkdar, spokesman for the court, told The Associated Press. The judgment even made the Parliament speaker responsible for the expenses of the court and the defense counsel!

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If Iraq can keep improving — still uncertain — and become a place where Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites can write their own social contract and live together with a modicum of stability, it could one day become a strategic asset for the United States in the post-9/11 effort to promote different politics in the Arab-Muslim world.

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If he [Obama] pull this off, and help that decent Iraq take root, Obama and the Democrats could not only end the Iraq war but salvage something positive from it. Nothing would do more to enhance the Democratic Party’s national security credentials than that.

Um, a decent Iraq has already taken root and is in fact growing. Obama and the Democrats cannot "pull this off," except if you mean "claim credit for a fait accompli."

The general pattern here is that after years of calling more or less explicitly for a cleansing defeat in Iraq, liberals are beginning to make the case that we shouldn't lose a war we've already won just to appease the netroots-- in other words, Bush was right.

But they didn't say that before. Only now that Obama has been elected to they admit it.

Partly because they are now willing to argue in the American interest rather than the liberal Democratic Party interest, and partly because politics continues well past the water's edge -- they want credit for a victory and won't permit the fallout from a defeat suffered on their watch.

Thanks to Mr. Wolf.

Posted by: Ace at 12:07 PM | Comments (150)
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1 Wow, they're starting early.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2008 12:13 PM (PI3vs)

2 Wanna see that trick again?

Posted by: Barry the Illusionist at November 30, 2008 12:15 PM (Am6n/)

3

And if Obama pulls defeat from the jaws of victory in Iraq over the next 6 months, I wonder if former-President Bush will be blamed? Gee, that's a tough one. I wish I had a crystal ball.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 30, 2008 12:16 PM (MJZdi)

4 Seems like they don't teach verb tenses in J-schools. Let's see..  the news Friedman refers to took place now. That's um, present tense, I think.

Obama is President when? Last time I checked, some time in January of next year, which comes after November of this year, which make it:

a) the past
b) the future
c) relative depending upon which party you're in
d) who the hell cares? If we journalists were good at math, we sure as hell would be doing something better than reporting on other people's lives!

Thinking sucks. That's why 10 out of 10 journalists prefer an Obama nation where the thinking will be done for you.

Posted by: HatlessHessian at November 30, 2008 12:18 PM (3/V8w)

5 BTW, Ace, if you're reading comments today and you want to read Mark Steyn kicking the shit out of a leftist douche "journalism professor" who accused Steyn of lying, go here.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 30, 2008 12:18 PM (MJZdi)

6 Any comment from TF on Obama's length and width? Hairy? Shaven? Eats a lot of garlic?

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2008 12:20 PM (PI3vs)

7 I'm going to need to order more of those Obama plates to throw against the walls...

Posted by: Shannon at November 30, 2008 12:21 PM (q0Z3p)

8 Wow.  Sounds to me like we should exchange the American court/intellectuals for the Iraqi court/intellectuals...  This way the Libs' much desired defeat in the war on terror would be assured; - it's a win-win situation.

Posted by: Fritz at November 30, 2008 12:26 PM (aaGD+)

9 Today's lesson: You can't win arguments against people that are not intellectually honest.

Posted by: RedFox84 at November 30, 2008 12:27 PM (9Vu+H)

10 You thought the election was something....pfff you ain't seen nuttin yet.

My street cred biatches

Posted by: Barry the Illusionist at November 30, 2008 12:29 PM (Am6n/)

11 Talk about moving the goal posts 180!

Posted by: Iblis at November 30, 2008 12:29 PM (9221z)

12 *sigh*  And they ask me why I drink.

Posted by: Eric at November 30, 2008 12:32 PM (quZLX)

13 Partly because they are now willing to argue in the American interest rather than the liberal Democratic Party interest
I know you don't mean that. They are always and only willing to argue in the progressive Democratic Party interest, and that happens to coincide with the American interest at the moment. It's no more a show of support for America than the clowns who decided to start flying the flag because Obama won.

Does this mean that FDR's legacy takes another hit? Besides prolonging the Depression by several years, his warmongering drew us into two conflicts which killed hundreds of thousands of Americans, and which he never won.

Posted by: bgates at November 30, 2008 12:34 PM (kAULt)

14

I'm going to need to order more of those Obama plates to throw against the walls...

Sorry. Those are limited editions so you are only allowed to buy two per household.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 30, 2008 12:35 PM (MJZdi)

15 Contemptible. I guess we'll be seeing a line in one news story after another that can be stretched to touch on Iraq and/or the past decade: "...during the War on Iraq, which was begun under the Bush administration but won under the Obama administration,..." Aaaauuuughhh! Thinking about it just makes me want to find a journalist and cuff him one upside the head.

Posted by: Aitch748 at November 30, 2008 12:35 PM (0SQ78)

16 Wow. I had to read this to my wife and she used Ace's line on me. "It's so man bites dog. What did you expect them to do, give Bush credit?" This their faith, so they will find ways to make it work.

Posted by: locus ceruleus at November 30, 2008 12:37 PM (e2mBS)

17

"If Iraq can ... become a place where Kurds, Sunnis and Shiites can write their own social contract and live together with a modicum of stability, it could one day become a strategic asset for the United States in the post-9/11 effort to promote different politics in the Arab-Muslim world."

That, you fool (TF), pretty much sums up what BUSH said when he decided to kick out Saddam.

That was the plan all along. The plan that Obama, from the no-responsibility benches in Illinois, opposed--and got major kudos for opposing.

SHHHHHEEEEEEEESHSH! talk about your bad-faith arguments...

Posted by: Erwin at November 30, 2008 12:41 PM (0hcRq)

18 Bad moron. Bad moron.  Bad moron. Bad moron. Bad moron.  Bad moron.

Posted by: FloofyParisParamus at November 30, 2008 12:44 PM (jGNc3)

19 I'm beginning to really, really hate dimoKKKrats® and the NYSlimes (ah, but I repeat myself).

Is there nothing soooo... low to which they will not slither? Inquiring minds wish to know!

Posted by: TennDon at November 30, 2008 12:51 PM (TTjg8)

20

"...it could one day become a strategic asset for the United States in the post-9/11 effort to promote different politics in the Arab-Muslim world."

I think that was the exact, how do you say - "strategery"?, was it not my dear OberGruppenFieldMarschall Freidman!?

ps. and you sir are a fucking shameless lying pig journalist (birm).

Posted by: sherlock at November 30, 2008 12:52 PM (8V5Ut)

21

You people are shocked by this?

2 years ago, Iraq was an illegal, unwinnable war and George Bush was an evil warmonger for daring to take on an honorable statesman like Saddam Hussein.

Anyone remember, or even care, what Bawney Fwank said approximately 3 seconds before Fannie and Freddie imploded? You know, that thing the Republicans got blamed for.

Regan didn't win the Cold War. You remember that Truman won that, right? Regan was just a placeholder when it 'ended'.

There was nothing we could've done to stop Khommeni's rise to power in Iran.

The New Deal and FDR's imperial policies brought America out of the depression.

Vietnam was an illegal, unwinnable war that we should've never gotten into (started by Democrats.)

No one 'lost' China to the communists, it was inevitable.

Factual History means nothing to liberals.

Posted by: EL KABONG at November 30, 2008 12:56 PM (0BPlb)

22 Friedman, not Freidman.....

Posted by: FloofyParisParamus at November 30, 2008 12:58 PM (jGNc3)

23 Bush Breaks Iraq - Obama Fixes It

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2008 12:58 PM (PI3vs)

24

They all took credit for being staunch "Cold Warriors" after we won that long fight, too.

Posted by: Fred at November 30, 2008 12:59 PM (zbtx1)

25 Unsurprising, but still makes me want to puke.

Posted by: Shy Yll at November 30, 2008 01:07 PM (qRIBd)

26

"He has to avoid giving Iraqi leaders the feeling that Bush did — that he’ll wait forever for them to sort out their politics..."

Thomas, that feeling Bush gave out was what we Americans call "Steadfastness".  Since it is not in the NYT dictionary, I'll define it for you as the opposite of "Runfastness" and "Liefastness", what the Democrats showed when they ran away as soon as they saw that Iraq might not be a cake walk, and we might suffer more casualties than we thought we would, which would give them the opportunity to shit on their President and country as eagerly as John McCain shits on his President and conservatives.  Capice?

Posted by: sherlock at November 30, 2008 01:08 PM (8V5Ut)

27

This utter hogwash fools no one. Not only did he have nothing to do with it, and that fact is plain as day.-he still is not sworn in yet and can't do a damn thing even if he wanted to. Let them make horse's asses of themselfves of Epic of epic proportion  because they, just like everyone else in the world, knows he did nothing. This they can not spin and make even a hard core cult follower swallow it. 

It should warm your narcistic ego Obamna, that people are laughing at you, not with you

Posted by: Bullshit at November 30, 2008 01:11 PM (B/Y39)

28 If by "win" you mean 1 million dead Iraqis, 4 million refugees, and an inflation of Iran's influence, then yeah, I guess we won.

Oh, and a trillion bucks charged to the country's credit card.

Bush Is Great!

Posted by: joe the plumber at November 30, 2008 01:11 PM (d3kXR)

Posted by: notropis at November 30, 2008 01:18 PM (cTufV)

30

#21Factual History means nothing to liberals.

This is the thing that really reassures me that Liberals are evil and need to be defeated every time I waver.  I have watched Democrats who were sort of honest become dishonest and self seeking Liberals when offered a bone.  I think they become cynical.  Bill Clinton went a long way in getting us here.  How can anyone watch the Clintons and not think if you can't beat'em join 'em?  Bill will fry in Hell when he gets back.  The Final Revelation says that whoever follows Bill will go to Hell.  (Sura 7:1

Posted by: 7HEAVENS at November 30, 2008 01:19 PM (oIvn7)

31 @13:  the clowns who decided to start flying the flag because Obama won.

Well, we're even, because I've already gotten my "IMPEACH" bumper sticker from cafepress.com, and am getting ready to order their "Resist. Unlearn. Defy" sticker. And maybe the "Question Authority" one. And maybe do some mix-and-match fun with the "Comrade Obama" sticker that has the hammer and sickle on it.
You know, so we'd have "Impeach Comrade Obama." 

If my son will let me, that is. He doesn't want our tires slashed.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at November 30, 2008 01:20 PM (Prdx7)

32

Bush would deserve this if it happens.   The reason I say this, is that Bush should be declaring an official "VI" day NOW, and he should travel to Iraq before Dec31 and formally sign a "VI" day document with the Iraqi government that offically declares the Iraq war a victory - a victory for both the US military and for Iraq.  If he doesnt, you can guarantee that Obama and his MSM media will rewrite history during 2009/2010 to proclaim Obama has the man who brought peace to Iraq.

Posted by: GK at November 30, 2008 01:20 PM (qfxkl)

33 Thomas Friedman, the best journalistic urinalistic mouth piece cocksucker the Al Qaeda gang could ever have hoped for. One more step to the left and this retarded moonbat will be calling himself comrade and waiting in line, even if there is plenty of what he wants, at the store, just to relive the glory that was Soviet Russia. What an ass clown.
I saw one of his miserable specials, yeah: special like a used Yugo, on History International  cable channel and he all but sucked rod for a bunch of crazy ass Palestinians and Anti American assholes. This guy should be required to register as an agent of the PLO or Hamas or something.
Asshole.

Posted by: enter sandman at November 30, 2008 01:24 PM (kRtdI)

34 Friedman is smart enough to know better.
Proof that the Kool-Aid really does kill off brain cells.

This whole deal demonstrates an old saying:
"There's no limit to what you can accomplish if you don't care who gets the credit."

May God bless George W. Bush.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at November 30, 2008 01:28 PM (Prdx7)

35 I guess if I felt like being pragmatic about this, I would welcome the lukewarm support from the left.

I'm not really feeling pragmatic, though, so fuck them.

Posted by: cranky-d at November 30, 2008 01:31 PM (kt4mn)

36 Bush would deserve this if it happens.   The reason I say this, is that Bush should be declaring an official "VI" day NOW, and he should travel to Iraq before Dec31 and formally sign a "VI" day document with the Iraqi government that offically declares the Iraq war a victory - a victory for both the US military and for Iraq.  If he doesnt, you can guarantee that Obama and his MSM media will rewrite history during 2009/2010 to proclaim Obama has the man who brought peace to Iraq

+1

Sometime in late 2006, Bush just seemed to give up. Not sure of the reason, but he owes it to the voters who supported him to do something like the above.

Posted by: shibumi at November 30, 2008 01:32 PM (tZB/c)

37 Fuck you erg. Go drink a drano cocktail.
1 million dead iraqis ? Again, fuck you.

Posted by: aubrey at November 30, 2008 01:34 PM (1YVnX)

38 Friedman's a little confused between Barry and Bush (both start with the same letter which is more than enough to throw even the most educated NYTimes journalist into fits). While Bush is the one who executed an unpopular but necessary war and saw it through to this conclusion, Barry is the man-child whose version of military strength is indifferent to the Mumbai policemen cowering in fear and refusing to fight back.Barry's vision of might is the United Nations peacekeeper who is strong enough to subject an eight-year-old child to sexual abuse, but runs from the sound of firecrackers fearing conflict.

Of course, this all could have been verified through a little fact checking. I cite Webster's Collegiate Dictionary (2007):

obama (n): a) Traditional Kenyan name for a man who urinates sitting down out of fear of strong women. b) one who cowers from direct confrontation. A coward.

Posted by: HatlessHessian at November 30, 2008 01:44 PM (3/V8w)

39 joe the plumber is erg? What a fucking tool.

Posted by: nikkolai at November 30, 2008 01:49 PM (G8d+5)

40 This kind of material would actually be funny if objective truth and basic liberties were not at stake.

Posted by: DCox at November 30, 2008 01:50 PM (2pT9a)

41

If by "win" you mean 1 million dead Iraqis, 4 million refugees, and an inflation of Iran's influence, then yeah, I guess we won.

Wow, erg learned how to employ crazy-assed hyperbole in his latest online GED course!

Go ergy!

Posted by: VJay at November 30, 2008 01:51 PM (k87Wm)

42 Isn't this where I say cockholster?

Posted by: sybilll at November 30, 2008 01:54 PM (3/0Ir)

43 I have a feeling this freidman cocksucker got drunk and phoned in the wrong story. Where is the  homeless/med-insuranceless/unemployable/prop 8 rant?....Editor: "Tom, you fucking dickhead...save this shit 'til January 21st. Asshole".

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 30, 2008 01:58 PM (+PBf6)

44

I celebrated Victory in Iraq Day on November 22, 2008 with President Bush as CIC.

The other guy hasn't even been sworn into office yet.

November 23, 2008 was the day laughing stock Journalism finally kicked it's sorry ass into the grave; I celebrated that too.

 

Posted by: syn at November 30, 2008 02:00 PM (ASzue)

45 I thought Harry Reid said the war in Iraq was lost?

Posted by: Crippy at November 30, 2008 02:00 PM (MHHqN)

46

T. Friedman - master sucker of cock.

Posted by: Murph at November 30, 2008 02:01 PM (m7FCp)

47 Thomas Friedman is now a global warming commando. He is a kool-aid drinker and liberal apologist who defeats straw men one week at a time for the Times. Intellectual hack of the first order.

Posted by: locus ceruleus at November 30, 2008 02:04 PM (e2mBS)

48

Dcox, so true.

But then again, don't you know? Where the Lightworker walks, objective truth is what the Party SAYS objective truth is. Oceania is at war with Eastasia. Ocenaia has always been at war with Eastasia.

 

Posted by: Bob at November 30, 2008 02:04 PM (8nB5X)

49 Murph you mean Friedman is Sullivan?

Posted by: locus ceruleus at November 30, 2008 02:06 PM (e2mBS)

50

Sounds like VJay missed the quote by real Iraqi's (not the democrats friendly terrorists) that the death rate of Iraq's during the war was less than was normal under Hussein.

Careful or the democrat Lame Stream Media will go back and give Slick Willie credit for winning the war since he signed the bill 'to remove Hussein' from power. Democrats chose to forget that GWB only enforced the law passed and signed by a democrat president who got his zipper tangled in some womans mustache and didn't have time to carry out the removal of Saddam.

This is turning into a bigger comedy than anyone thought possible. All because a man with no experience beyond enriching himself was elected POTUS by the Lame Stream Media, CPUSA, Islam, and it was all funded by terrorists nations.

Some in the Media have actually discovered they were lied to about the Massive amount of campaign funds collected by Hussein O. Most of it did not come from 'Americans' who donated $200 or less. At least it will go down in history as the greatest con of the most simple minded segment of people in American history.

I'll be LMAO on the way to a reeducation camp, while the simple minded liberals are whining.

Posted by: Scrapiron at November 30, 2008 02:08 PM (8nB5X)

51 Friedman is smart enough to know better...

...and dishonest enough to resist telling the truth.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 30, 2008 02:10 PM (CwzFE)

52 Yep.  Get used to it.

Everything good that happens from the time Obama was elected until the next Democrat takes the White House = the result of Obama's brilliant policies.

Everything bad that happens until there's a new Republican in the White House to catch the blame = legacy of Bush's failed policies.

Posted by: Brendan at November 30, 2008 02:12 PM (2jQGY)

53 TF is a pompous windbag. He serves his Party and his other masters as the declared voice of deep and careful reasoning. But, in truth, he is a dolt who has become rich and well known. He's smart enough to know a good gig when he sees one. His job is to package stupidity, ignorance, and insanity in a nice pretty package so the right people will say "Brilliant!!" The rest of us are supposed to just go along.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2008 02:17 PM (PI3vs)

54 Fuck fucking fuckers. Honestly, that's all I can say. But, the first time one of my liberal family members says something like that to me in person, I'm going to throw something at them.

Posted by: Carin at November 30, 2008 02:18 PM (ZoXIL)

55

Sounds like VJay missed the quote by real Iraqi's

Sounds like Scrapiron missed the attribution of clownish stupidity to erg by way of quoting it.  Simple mistake -- no worries.  But it rankles a bit to be confused with a subliterate terrorist-fellating shitbag like our favorite little monkey troll.

Posted by: VJay at November 30, 2008 02:20 PM (k87Wm)

56 Bush is to Truman as Friedman is to Duranty.  History will render the appropriate judgement.

Until it does, remember that, Friedman is a whore for the Times.  What a legacy. 

Posted by: MarkD at November 30, 2008 02:26 PM (qZFLO)

57

Unlike his 100+ senate votes of "present" where he wouldn't take a stand and could spin anything later. On this issue he has been very vocal and very public about it. He was against it, said the surge would fail, imnsukted the military and to this day still refuses to admit the surge worked and he was wrong. With tons and tons of record of all of that, no one is going to believe the ridiculous spin. Oh they will pretend to, just to stroke Captain Megalomaniac but all of us knows the same thing he does-he didn't do squat and history, even trying to rewrite it, proves that. There is just waaaaaay to much to cover up. That genie has long since been out of the bottle.

Although, i do look forward to laughing at his asshatness trying to take credit. For a narcissist that is deathly afraid of embarrassing himself he is clueless at how many people are laughing at him. At some point, the ego has to say "no, this is too over the top, better keep my mouth shut".

Posted by: Bullshit at November 30, 2008 02:26 PM (B/Y39)

58 I  have some questions  here:
Does Michelle the Evander Holyfield lookalike Obama have to push TF's face away from the LIghtbringer Chicago Messiah's meager groinage to score some "face" time or does she just skip that altogether and leave the knob-slobbing to the TF and whatver remains of the Clinton's recently purchased self-respect?

Hard to judge which cocksucker on the left is The Cocksucker (of record) on the Left.
Is there a handout or perhaps a program available to rank leftist cocksucker for onlooker convenience? Once the knob-slobbering begins in earnest come January 21st I'd like a program to identify the cocksucker by.
Oh, and a decorative plate of YoMamaBama accepting the tongue bathing of his fresh crop of acolytes.

Finally, will  a collectible plate of Bill Clinton blowing Southside Messiah to get "a place at the table" be considered unseemly and bad for his ex-Presidential image? Or can we just call him 'Bill Lewinski' now and have done with it?

Posted by: enter sandman at November 30, 2008 02:32 PM (kRtdI)

59
Friedman is a clown. He's a serious clown.


Posted by: Bart at November 30, 2008 02:33 PM (fFYro)

60 "St. Anselm of Canterbury: believe that God is the greatest of all conceivable things, nothing else can be thought to exist greater than God. St. Anselm states that he wants to find a proof of God, not because he does not believe in God, but because he believes in God, he wants proof of his belief. This means he is not searching for proof for his own sake, for he already believes God exists, he is searching for proof for his belief's sake. He believes he was put on Earth to find God, and he has not yet accomplished what he is searching for." Just put Obama's name for God's in the above ontological statement and also substitute Freidman's for St. Anselm's and you will understand Friedman's article.

Posted by: locus ceruleus at November 30, 2008 02:36 PM (e2mBS)

61 Incurious minds don't really want to know, to be honest.
Color me incurious here.

Posted by: enter sandman at November 30, 2008 02:39 PM (kRtdI)

62 Heck we're going to just stop come Jan 20th.

Once Obama is President our mortgage will be paid and we won't have to worry about gas.


Posted by: The Somali Pirates at November 30, 2008 02:41 PM (Am6n/)

63 TF is a pompous windbag.

We threw this cocksucker out 10 years ago.  Please do not associate him with us.

Posted by: Pompous Windbags Local 238 at November 30, 2008 02:43 PM (CwzFE)

64 Locus;
What you're driving at here is that Friedman, Fried Man?, would gladly blow the Southside Messiah and post the video on Youtube, like some skankbag porn queen wannabe, and show it proudly to his friends and family. If he could.
Wonder if he'll trim the 'stache to avoid rug burns on the Light bringer's little Obama when the time comes.
I'm just asking...

Posted by: enter sandman at November 30, 2008 02:43 PM (kRtdI)

65 DO NOT LET THIS HAPPEN! He must not take credit. Of all the things that are shitty about this election, that truly would be the worst, considering how he was going to hamstring our troops. Truly a douchebag if he, himself takes any credit.

Posted by: mare at November 30, 2008 02:58 PM (X1fsj)

66 Does anyone else look forward to the greatest 4 years in the history of the country!

I myself can't wait to read about it!

K

Posted by: Kestrel♠ at November 30, 2008 02:58 PM (0ry+S)

67 enter sandman, why yes that is what I was saying. Forgive me for not being more clear.

Posted by: locus ceruleus at November 30, 2008 03:01 PM (e2mBS)

68 Tom Friedman ... King of the Cockholsters.

Posted by: Andy at November 30, 2008 03:03 PM (B+HYX)

69 Friedman's differentiation between the war that Obama fought against (the initial, very difficult period) and the war that he's inheriting is insulting and dishonest. It's the same war, fought for the same reasons!

The more worrying thing is the potential decision being taken by the Iraqi government to bar any American military presence in Iraq in the way of bases or otherwise, in the future. This hasn't been passed by Parliament yet, I don't think (and hopefully won't be).

Posted by: o.u. at November 30, 2008 03:06 PM (UFJzJ)

70 Oh, and Obama blows.

Posted by: o.u. at November 30, 2008 03:07 PM (UFJzJ)

71 Now we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure.

Posted by: Abe at November 30, 2008 03:07 PM (e2mBS)

72 Why don't those bleethering fucktards in the media just shove a commie flag up Obama's ass and salute it?  Oh, that IS what they're doing, isn't it?

Posted by: Chas at November 30, 2008 03:11 PM (qd+5l)

73 Please don't act surprised when President-elect Fuckstick takes credit for anything, including Iraq.

Posted by: Jones at November 30, 2008 03:14 PM (VkNlv)

74 Confederate Yankee has a great rebuttal to this. The best point is how the Times ran the General betrayus ad. "Friedman should remember this. His newspaper attempted to subsidize defeat, cutting MoveOn.Org a 61% discount to attack our top general during the surge."

Posted by: Abe at November 30, 2008 03:23 PM (e2mBS)

75 Patience.
Time will take care of things.
Ronald Reagan will forever be remembered as the man who demanded that the wall be torn down.  And it was.
Billy the Pig will always be remembered as 'impeached', and will forever be associated with "that woman, Miss Lewinsky".  He will be remembered as the president that did nothing to fight terror.
Obambam has made history already.  Nuthin' we can do about that.  If he screws up bigtime, history will note it.
Finally Dubya will be remembered as the President that kicked terror right smack in the ass.

Posted by: WonderWartHog at November 30, 2008 03:27 PM (LVT6e)

76 So many "journalists" and only one cock. What's a messiah to do?

Posted by: pendejo grande at November 30, 2008 03:31 PM (iMnDJ)

77

Elect Dems, and the media will treat us peoples nicely.

That's the message.

Fuck tom Friedman...flat head Ron jeremy looking mother fucker. Shave that porn stache you dumpy douche.

God, I hate those people.

Posted by: Senator, Advisor Rev. Dr. E. Buzz Miller at November 30, 2008 03:44 PM (sibOH)

78 This has been the funniest couple of threads(this and the Blackwater dealie) that I have ever read here. I have been laughing and trying to eat Pumpkin pie, mostly laughing.
Luckily enough, I just happen to live on a mountain in the west of North Carolina and no one can hear my cackles.

"In space, no one can hear you laugh..."

Posted by: enter sandman at November 30, 2008 03:54 PM (kRtdI)

79 Lemmmeeeessseeeee.....

For a long time we have heard about how the tons of money spent Fighting The War On Terrorism is sucking money that Could Be Used
For Better Things.....

So, it it was the dems doing it--what's wrong with them taking the blame for all the wasted money?

Posted by: Larry Sheldon at November 30, 2008 03:56 PM (OmeRL)

80

Wow, you guys are some sick fucks. 

I read Tom's column as a not-so-subtle plea for Obama to stay involved in Iraq and help consolidate Petraeus's and Gates's gains.  You see it as some present-tense credit for Obama.

Do you understand the subjunctive tense? 

If Obama makes the right moves over the next two years, yeah, he will deserve credit.

 

Posted by: icus at November 30, 2008 03:59 PM (mOFr4)

81 Yes, icus, he will deserve credit for doing what he formally opposed. He will not only take credit for not fucking up what Bush has accomplished, he will take credit for saving Iraq from Bush's missteps. icus, please stop being so obtuse. The best thing Obama can do is humbly admit his own errors and give thanks that his own ideas were never followed.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2008 04:09 PM (PI3vs)

82 icus, did you catch Tom's phrase "salvage something positive"? Iraq is already there. Tom knows that, but he can't say it because then Bush was right and Barry was wrong, and Barry will be too late to claim Victory in Iraq as his own.

Posted by: eman at November 30, 2008 04:12 PM (PI3vs)

83 Sorry, Friedman, you goofy fuck, but mostly goof. The Times' inglorious record damns your attempted rewrite of our times forever. You signed your own death warrant during the Bush era. A smart person wouldn't throw a parade over that... which, of course, explains your press. But by all means, extemporize with the hand history has dealt. We still see you as the goofy liar you always were.

Bush has had and will have the last laugh, and that it reduces you to the blithering idiocy that is:

"If he [Obama] pull this off, and help that decent Iraq take root, Obama and the Democrats could not only end the Iraq war but salvage something positive from it."

then we'll know who the greatest jester, if not liar, in the land is. You and Pinch are in a close tie right now, so you still have something for which to aim.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at November 30, 2008 04:12 PM (sI5Ho)

84



Do you understand the subjunctive tense? 

Woodchuck to Gray Squirrel? Come in, Gray Squirrel?


Posted by: Woodchuck at November 30, 2008 04:19 PM (fFYro)

85
icus, if you're going to play the grammar nazi, at least try to get it right: it's subjunctive mood, not subjunctive tense.

Posted by: Brown Line at November 30, 2008 04:22 PM (xYeJ1)

86

Iraq is already there. Tom knows that, but he can't say it because then Bush was right and Barry was wrong, and Barry will be too late to claim Victory in Iraq as his own.

Dude, Iraq is a long way from being "there."  If Iraq is "there," then why did rockets slam into the Green Zone yesterday?   Why is there no agreement over Kirkuk or oil revenues? 

If you think Iraq is "there," I invite you to fly to Baghdad on Royal Jordanian and spend a few days strolling around the city - it's a nice cool time to visit.  By "cool," I refer to the weather.

Obama has a very tough job getting out of Iraq.  Yes, there are some hopeful signs, but the Iraqis are in control and could still screw things up in fifty different ways.  The Iranians are still around in force and have a lot of influence on events. 

The USA has to get out in the next two years because: (1) the Iraqis will demand it, and (2) the USA can't afford to keep spending $11 bn a month there.

ADM Mullen was happy after meeting Obama.  Why?  Because Mullen is a realist who wants to scale back the extreme overcommitments the Bush administration got the military into.  It's time to rebuild military power, not keep straining it.

History may prove that the invasion of Iraq was a positive development for Iraq.  I doubt it will prove as such for the USA.

 

Posted by: icus at November 30, 2008 04:28 PM (mOFr4)

87 [comment deleted]

-Department of Fairness

Posted by: icus at November 30, 2008 04:55 PM (mOFr4)

88 Gotta love that Fairness.

Posted by: Methos at November 30, 2008 04:55 PM (dRS5E)

89 Check out this video and understand where CNN's founder was leading the company. http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=231403&widget=1

Posted by: locus ceruleus at November 30, 2008 04:57 PM (e2mBS)

90

Wow, I must really get under your skin, you fat fucking pussy.

 

Posted by: icus at November 30, 2008 04:58 PM (mOFr4)

91 ok thanks fairness department.....i had to delete my whole response that i artfully worked in the word cockholster multiple times.

Posted by: e.koenig at November 30, 2008 05:01 PM (2J+Vs)

92 Icus to Obama: "My life for you!"

Posted by: locus ceruleus at November 30, 2008 05:02 PM (e2mBS)

93
Nah, you're just a troll cocksucker.


Posted by: Bart at November 30, 2008 05:03 PM (fFYro)

94 what happened?  Icky's a jerk, but I don't have any problem dealing with jerks or their stupid opinions.

[The Department of Fairness has established a 50% tax on comments from Obama supporters. As such, the comments made by icus belong to the Department of Fairness. He will be allowed to comment again and retain personal possession of his comments by retyping them. The extra work should not bother him. Paying comment taxes is patriotic.]

Posted by: WonderWartHog at November 30, 2008 05:03 PM (LVT6e)

95 icus, if you're going to play the grammar nazi, at least try to get it right: it's subjunctive mood, not subjunctive tense.Posted by: Brown Line at November 30, 2008 09:22 PM (xYeJ1)

Why bother with facts Brown Line.  With President Elect Obama, moods can be tenses, defeat becomes victory, deficits become surpluses, lies become truth.  I am, however, going to be very curious how the Obama bots spin emboldened terrorists.

Posted by: DCox at November 30, 2008 05:05 PM (2pT9a)

96
At least ergatuliussdides is not a spinmeister; he's always spouting the same mother jones bullshit. But icus is always spinning like he's a member of the DNC's Rapid Response & Online Commuincation Department.

Posted by: Bart at November 30, 2008 05:06 PM (fFYro)

97 #94.
Aaaaaaha.

Posted by: WonderWartHog at November 30, 2008 05:09 PM (LVT6e)

98 [comment shoved up your ass]


Posted by: mossback at November 30, 2008 05:15 PM (in8Vs)

99
"But icus is always spinning..."

My guess icky redlines at 6,000 rpm.

Posted by: YIKES! at November 30, 2008 05:17 PM (O55b1)

100

It was a plea to give him a blow job, pure and simply. Unfortunatly the MSM was only giving about 70% suck off effort at the time the war became a topic. They covered it and his response and opposition to it way to much. It didn't occur to them at the time that they had to sweep each and every minute from the begining  under the rug in order to make him not appear as the Village idiot.  That ship has sailed.

They can't even show one of the debates for posterity sake without seeing McCain hammer him for it and his refusal to even then admit he was wrong. On this topic, he stepped in dog shit and there's no possible way to spin it.

Posted by: Jody at November 30, 2008 05:19 PM (B/Y39)

101 I'm a pessimist and presume that this will work beautifully for Obama.  People are too stupid and/or lazy to look past the spin, and every cocksucker journalist will advocate this line.  It's infuriating.

The cult members (including said journalists) will eat this shit up, so eager are they for any chance to feign patriotism, like kids dressing up on Halloween.  "I'm a patriot!"

By the way, my Obamabot roommate shyly admitted to me yesterday that Barack Obama is his hero.

His hero.

I suggested that men of zero accomplishments (outside of MSM-assisted sleights of hand that win presidencies), opaque principles and dubious character who can't even bring themselves to protect babies born alive after botched abortions are not hero material.

Did I mention that my roommate is black, and that he grew up without a father?  Apparently, that's all it takes to transform Barack Obama into Messiah.

Posted by: Kensington at November 30, 2008 05:23 PM (fhJCy)

102 Sadly, this doesn't surprise me. Still, I am pissed. Just another reason for me to hate obama and his  followers.

Posted by: Ginger at November 30, 2008 05:45 PM (/OmsV)

103 F U Friedman.

Posted by: Silk-Wearing Nancy at November 30, 2008 05:46 PM (EJmQG)

104 My husband is pissed too. What's next? is obama going to get credit for liberating concentration camps in nazi Germany?

Posted by: Ginger at November 30, 2008 05:49 PM (/OmsV)

105 And people wonder why I don't get along very well with liberals.

Posted by: Ginger at November 30, 2008 05:51 PM (/OmsV)

106

By the way, my Obamabot roommate shyly admitted to me yesterday that Barack Obama is his hero.

His hero.

I suggested that men of zero accomplishments (outside of MSM-assisted sleights of hand that win presidencies), opaque principles and dubious character who can't even bring themselves to protect babies born alive after botched abortions are not hero material.

Did I mention that my roommate is black, and that he grew up without a father?  Apparently, that's all it takes to transform Barack Obama into Messiah

---------------

Always shoot for the bottom. It's never a disappointment and there's no where else to go but up.

Posted by: Jody at November 30, 2008 05:51 PM (B/Y39)

107 Thomas Friedman, winner of Nobel piece of shit prize.

Posted by: ICBM at November 30, 2008 05:57 PM (B/8j5)

108 Jody - did he give you examples of why O is his hero? I don't get it so I'm curious.

Posted by: Shannon at November 30, 2008 06:06 PM (q0Z3p)

109 Was there ever any doubt Obama would get credit for this?  There are no depths too low for these people to sink.  Nothing they do surprises me.  Nothing.

Posted by: katya at November 30, 2008 06:09 PM (G3frc)

110

I can't wait until the MSM give Obama credit for the days growing longer.I figure it will take about 3 weeks .

Posted by: corwin at November 30, 2008 06:25 PM (skqbf)

111 OT: By the way, I wonder how Reverend Wright feels about the reality of following e-mail I just received:

Subject: What do you think??

New White House Staff!

So far we have:
Rahm Emanuel, David  Axelrod, Ronald Klain, Larry Summers, Paul Volcker, Tim Geithner and Peter Orszag.  Maybe it's just because I'm Jewish, but am I the only one noticing that Obama and Biden are not so much assembling staff, as gathering a minyan?



Posted by: FloofyParisParamus at November 30, 2008 06:26 PM (rbLHc)

112

My husband is pissed too. What's next? is obama going to get credit for liberating concentration camps in nazi Germany?

Probably not, but he will get credit for freeing the slaves during the Civil War.

Posted by: katya at November 30, 2008 06:29 PM (G3frc)

113

ICUS, if Obama does the right things for Iraq in the next two years, and Iraq becomes a uncatigorical success, this will not be a halmark of success for Obama.  No.  See Obama very reason for being is his opposition to the Iraq war.  At ever step and every turn he has been singular in his purpose, and that purpose has been to disengage and leave Iraq to the regional powers and interests.

No, If Iraq succeeds it will be because Obama failed in his long standing attempt to fail.

But to the wack jobs on the left, failing to fail,even when that is your clear objective, is some sick sort of success, isn't it.

Posted by: Bill Ciz at November 30, 2008 06:34 PM (GvB2v)

114

All I am saying is that when "The One" is sworn in all the "homeless hobos" are going to disappear.

You have less than 60 days to bag one, so don't let this holiday season slow down your hunting.

Baiting an alley with valu rite is considered bad form, but since you have so little time, I am sure Ace will over look it.

Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at November 30, 2008 06:34 PM (2+9Yx)

115

108 Jody - did he give you examples of why O is his hero? I don't get it so I'm curious

---

i'm curious too Shannon. It was Kensington's roomate, not mine. However, that he's picked him as his hero, one can only assume the roomate has low self esteem and very low standards, at the very least

Posted by: Jody at November 30, 2008 06:53 PM (B/Y39)

116 Christ, what an asshole!

(It really does work with everything)

Posted by: Barbula at November 30, 2008 06:54 PM (UKP1H)

117 Jody: whoops, sorry about that. I missed Kensigton's post. And, agreed on your assumption.

Posted by: Shannon at November 30, 2008 06:56 PM (q0Z3p)

118 I think I predicted this one here: http://minx.cc/?blog=86&post=278128#c3407892 Obama will take credit for Iraq; it'll happen. The average person hasn't heard about it for months and assumes the worst. When the media once again starts reporting on it due to Obama withdrawing forces in 2009 and showing the drastic difference since 2006/2007, people will correlate it with him. And so Obama will win Iraq. Bush 'needs' to step-up and help save the conservative movement (and his legacy) which has supported him. W, by virtue of his position, still welds enough clout to solidify the surge as a Conservative policy. He has 2 months: Form a story arc and narrative. Use the office, hold a national policy address on prime-time and after a brief intro of the surge and harking back to 2007, show a video of the progress (let him narrate). Put together some PR pieces. Hold press conferences. Travel to Iraq, tour Baghdad. Later have a nationally covered ceremony decorating Gens. Petraeus and Ordinario for their service, et al. Just don't let the surge become another Obama 'success', like tax cuts and fiscal policy.

Posted by: Vince at November 30, 2008 07:15 PM (63zCu)

119 Vince: none of the networks will carry it...

Posted by: FloofyParisParamus at November 30, 2008 07:21 PM (rbLHc)

120 Hey, Icus: lick my scrotum.

Posted by: The Band at November 30, 2008 07:22 PM (QtRBc)

121

117 Jody: whoops, sorry about that. I missed Kensigton's post. And, agreed on your assumption.

--No problem Shannon. If it had been my roommate (back in the day), I'd have given him the boot the minute it left his mouth.

Posted by: Jody at November 30, 2008 07:22 PM (B/Y39)

122 HRC as SOS.  Why does this not disturb me?  Because at some point less bad feels like good.  But it is still less bad.  IT IS STILL BAD BUT LESS BAD.

Posted by: FloofyParisParamus at November 30, 2008 07:44 PM (rbLHc)

123 BO has been a fraud his entire life. Don't expect him to "change" now. Bwahahaha!

Posted by: torabora at November 30, 2008 08:00 PM (cE1e0)

124 Fucking scumbag journalists

Posted by: WisCon at November 30, 2008 08:11 PM (RsaX9)

125

Obviously, icum icus is too tense.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 30, 2008 08:21 PM (MJZdi)

126 If no one else has said it, I will:

"We have ALWAYS been at war with Oceania!"

Like Fallaci said, "the Left are such dicks. They never admit when they've been wrong; never."

Posted by: Beverly at November 30, 2008 08:29 PM (v84IG)

127 BTW, Ace, if you're reading comments today and you want to read Mark Steyn kicking the shit out of a leftist douche "journalism professor" who accused Steyn of lying, go here.

Holy shit, everybody needs to read this piece. Steyn basically disembowelled the lefty douchewad with his bare hands, tied his still-quivering body to the back of his chariot, and dragged it for a few victory laps around the arena.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 30, 2008 08:35 PM (bMJ2V)

128 Bush isn't gonna say shit. He keeps hoping that ":history" will prove him right...unfortunately, "history" is controlled by his mortal enemies. Obama will get full credit for winning Iraq. Bush will be worse than Carter in a few years, according to our record keepers.


Posted by: Dr. Remulak at November 30, 2008 10:12 PM (Wjue+)

129
Yeah, "history" was kind to Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Robert Bork, Dan Quayle, etc. And I'm sure Bill Ayers will get his comeuppance in the history books.

In twenty years, the only blurb about Reagan in history books will be Iran-Contra.

Posted by: Bart at November 30, 2008 10:17 PM (fFYro)

130 Well, this and the precedeing post have definitely added two more layers of cement to my belief that the Left are, collectively, assholes.  Some of them are OK as individuals, but as a group they're just chofaki. (Yes, it's a fictional word.  It's the only one I can think of off hand that really captures the feeling I'm going for here.  I think it means something like, "persons so lost to the concept of honour they don't even realize how hideously dishonorable they are.")

Posted by: Calix at November 30, 2008 10:32 PM (8d3U/)

131 "Two legs BETTER!"

Posted by: LtE113 (Mike in Chicago) at December 01, 2008 02:47 AM (/L1AV)

132 It takes big brass balls to try and pull this one off. I have no doubt that the Democrats and their shills in the MSM will pull it off, though. History books will trumpet how Obama successfully ended the Iraq war and created a Republic of higher quality than our own, if for no other reason than that the nasty Bushies won't have been in power in Iraq.

That will be chapter 2 of Obama's biography. Chapter 1 will discuss how he raised us all to a higher plain of existence.

Posted by: physics geek at December 01, 2008 03:16 AM (MT22W)

133 I don't see it as much as how Ace framed the article as much as it is a given piece of prescience... if the war in Iraq comes to a successful conclusion under Obama's watch, he's going to get the credit for it.  Plain and simple.  Fair?  No.  Deserved?  Absolutely not.  Inevitable?  You betcha.

Posted by: Michael Fisk at December 01, 2008 03:38 AM (8YgdQ)

134

"Some of them are OK as individuals"

I don't think this is quite accurate. I honestly can say that I have never met a liberal that is not a totalitarian asshole.

It's baked in their philosophy. They love you if you're one of them, but give them any indication you aren't part of the collective and they spurn away, shun...

Fuck em.

Posted by: Sen. Rev. Dr. E Buzz at December 01, 2008 03:49 AM (sf4Oe)

135 Yeah, "history" was kind to Joe McCarthy, Richard Nixon, Robert Bork, Dan Quayle, etc. And I'm sure Bill Ayers will get his comeuppance in the history books.

In twenty years, the only blurb about Reagan in history books will be Iran-Contra.

In the short run, yes. However, I still think history will vindicate Bush (and Reagan), only it will be the history that gets written a century from now, by historians who are not driven to dementia by their hatred of the man they're writing about.

The only thing is, we'll all be long dead, so we will not see it.

Posted by: OregonMuse at December 01, 2008 04:04 AM (bMJ2V)

136 Disgraceful -- Friedman should be completely ashamed.  For one, it's our troops who've secured the victory, and it's a direct result of the surge implementation.

You're not going to get away with this historical revisionism, you leftist nitwits.

Posted by: Richard Romano at December 01, 2008 06:21 AM (kycO9)

137 We all just KNEW the douchebag media would flip once they got their guy in office.  Friedman would love nothing more than a set of Obomber chin-nuts for his testament to the big Zero.

Had a lovely evening with friends this past Saturday - ones that voted Obomber because he's 'so intelligent,' and thought Palin inexperienced due to Tina Fey's send-up on SNL.  They're fairly bright, but their eyes glazed when I enumerated Obomber's shortcomings, Palin's experience, and the failure of the Dems on both economic and security measures.

These are the people that, for some reason, are unreachable by reason but are trainable through 'edutainment.'  What a disaster.

Posted by: apb at December 01, 2008 06:58 AM (4Ac/Q)

138

Another success for Barry!!!

 

KABUL, Afghanistan – Only one American serviceman died in Afghanistan in November, a dramatic drop from earlier months that the U.S. military attributed to a campaign targeting insurgent leaders, an improvement in Afghan security forces and the onset of winter.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at December 01, 2008 07:26 AM (1Jaio)

139

I fired this off to Friedman:

"Salvage something positive from it”…Like the success of American troops who shoved the gauntlet up the ass of Islamic terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan who were responsible for brutal attacks against the West, while you salivated for an American defeat?

The whole time you’ve been venting your left-wing spleen, Iraq took shape and the people already ‘live together with a modicum of stability’.

With this latest homage to the not yet in office Jesus Christ Obamessiah, you’re already giving him unearned credit for success we Soldiers accomplished under a Bush administration you vilified.

For the last five years, you and your comrades at the New York Times declared the war ‘unwinnable’. You reported every angle of the al Qaeda and Taliban perspective. You printed some of the most vile, yellow journalism toward American troops fighting a war against Islamic thugs hellbent on making the planet into a Caliphate.

You waited until the election to heap anticipatory praise on an untested, inexperienced, corrupt, nihilist idiot. You waited all this time to finally admit for the sake of “Hope, Change” and restoration of the Democrats’ “national security credentials”, that it would not be a good idea lose a war we’ve already won.

Newsflash, Friedman. It’s going to take a hell of a lot more than kicking ass in Iraq and Afghanistan “to promote different politics in the Arab-Muslim world”. Terrorists are bred, trained, funded, and supported across the Middle East. They manufacture jihadists like god damned assembly line parts.

And it’s going to take a lot more than the ‘negotiating without preconditions’, diplomatic patty-cake Obama wants to try.

This war ain’t over by a long shot.  It’ll take a strong, capable, military savvy, pro-American, anti-Islamofascist at the helm to ensure the continued success in Iraq and Afghanistan. It will take a brave, unwavering leader to know the differences between diplomacy, flirting with love-struck Europeans, and appeasing potential enemies.  It will take a President who will be able to understand that the radical Islamic threat against America here and abroad has to be eliminated.  

Obamessiah can’t pull that off.

 

Posted by: sfcmac at December 01, 2008 08:38 AM (0h7iT)

140 Last week they were crediting Obama for the market going up and black Friday. Today it's down 500 points. Zero's fault. No, Sarah Palin is campaigning for Chambliss in GA; must be her fault.

Posted by: bc3b at December 01, 2008 11:07 AM (AB9XE)

141 Last week I hit a $500 lottery ticket, this week someone slashed all 4 tires.  The Messiah giveth, the messiah taketh away.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at December 01, 2008 11:54 AM (CwzFE)

142 This is disgusting.  This nation has beaten, tarred, and feathered the actual hero of this war, the man whom truly represented this nation, and who truly executed this war.  But of course, in honeymooner tradition, let's throw the greatest success of bush to the illuminati left and their fearless leader.

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