July 30, 2016

This Just In: Bad Guys Commit Crimes...Good Guys Don't [CBD]
— Open Blogger

And Gun Thread, because you reprobates will turn it into one anyway.....

Vast majority of guns recovered by Pittsburgh police not in possession of legal owners

Nearly 80 percent of perpetrators carrying a gun recovered by Pittsburgh Police were not the lawful owners, a strong indication that theft and trafficking are significant sources of firearms involved in crimes in southwest Pennsylvania, a new University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health analysis reveals.

But the authors couldn't be content to report the numbers....they had to toss in the obligatory sneering oblique reference to the mantra of the academy: "We must do more about guns!" Never mind that they have the answer at their fingertips. Just enforce existing laws against...you know....theft!

Given the pandemic threat in the United States of firearm violence, immediate improvement in firearm surveillance is needed to save lives. It is estimated that there are more than 300 million guns in the U.S. And we know that firearm production is increasing. In 2013, nearly 11 million firearms were manufactured in the U.S., more than double the number produced in 2008.

This Orwellian statement suggests very little that doesn't run counter to the U.S. Constitution, and ignores the large amount of data that suggest firearm violence is decreasing. And if anyone can explain what "firearm surveillance" means, other than the obvious...registration and regular visits from our friendly neighborhood BATF SWAT teams, I'm all ears.

There is a AoSHQ Platinum membership with Troll-B-GonTM and ampersand utility for any Moron who finds some other holes in their interpretation of the data.

And take a look at a linked study in the lower left, conducted by Johns Hopkins University Bloomberg School of Public Health.
Repeal of Missouri's background check law associated with increase in state's murders.

So we are to accept as dispassionate and unbiased research, a study that correlates complex societal events with the repeal of a single law that was in most respects duplicative of Federal and other laws, done by a school funded by and named after the most famous anti-gun politician in the United States.

I promise...just the tip!

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And because this is a really nice looking pistol that Aetius451AD really, really needs.

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Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 30, 2016 06:31 AM (qCMvj)

2 Maybe if law-abiding citizens weren't so frightened of arbitrary gun laws, they'd be more inclined to report thefts?

Posted by: Chupacabra[/i][/b] at July 30, 2016 06:32 AM (McglG)

3 LOL Trump down 15: http://www.rabaresearch.com/

Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 30, 2016 06:32 AM (bhbDH)

4 Well....yeah.

Posted by: BignJames at July 30, 2016 06:36 AM (9RGU3)

5 Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 30, 2016 11:32 AM (bhbDH) LOL, Trump tied with Clinton in favorability in Huffpo pollster average. LOL, Huffpo average of national voting polls: Trump: 45% Clinton: 42%

Posted by: Meremortal, formerly known as q at July 30, 2016 06:37 AM (3myMJ)

6 Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 30, 2016 11:32 AM (bhbDH)

Behave.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 30, 2016 06:38 AM (Zu3d9)

7 A disarmed populace is a cowed populace.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 06:38 AM (UCmD0)

8 Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 30, 2016 11:32 AM (bhbDH) ***** You keep believing that. Also, sorry to hear about self admitted...uuhhh...handicap.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 30, 2016 06:38 AM (wUFYj)

9 And I haven't lived there in years, but I'm sure you can attest to the fear of stupid laws that contradict each other, living in NJ, CBD.

Posted by: Chupacabra[/i][/b] at July 30, 2016 06:39 AM (McglG)

10 I worry less about these historical data and the way they can use current (not fully formed trends.) One of the things we could point to is that while gun ownership was going up, crime rates were going down. Now with a combination of the Ferguson effect and certain groups actively targeting police, I fear crime will be back on the rise. This allows them another arrow in their quiver of "Think of the Children!"

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:39 AM (3ZoRf)

11 Actually, he's probably only down about 10-11.

Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 30, 2016 06:40 AM (bhbDH)

12 Hmm. What state is Ferguson in again?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 30, 2016 06:40 AM (C9pBZ)

13 Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 30, 2016 11:40 AM (bhbDH)

Stick to the topic or go away.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 30, 2016 06:41 AM (Zu3d9)

14 LOL Trump down 15: http://www.rabaresearch.com/ Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 30, 2016 11:32 AM (bhbDH) USA Today Column: Election 2016 is over and Trump has won he's right (about the laughing out loud) he's also a fool, but he's a lib (I guess, or just another rino nevertrumper) http://usat.ly/2ajSUCL I keep telling my husband, everything Hillary says about Trump, the Clinton's have done 100x worse.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 30, 2016 06:41 AM (qCMvj)

15 I thought, "Who was Johns Hopkins?" but then I saw the name Bloomberg.

Posted by: rickl at July 30, 2016 06:41 AM (sdi6R)

16 Well we now have 'conclusive' proof of what does the thinking for Boehner...

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 06:42 AM (UCmD0)

17 Given the pandemic threat in the United States of firearm violence

LOL. It's #Science!

Posted by: says so right in the publication title! at July 30, 2016 06:42 AM (rLrEx)

18 Actually, I just pull BS out of my ass.

Posted by: Look at my teeny penis at July 30, 2016 06:42 AM (3myMJ)

19 2 Maybe if law-abiding citizens weren't so frightened of arbitrary gun laws, they'd be more inclined to report thefts? Posted by: Chupacabra at July 30, 2016 11:32 AM (McglG) That's so crazy it just might work!

Posted by: rickl at July 30, 2016 06:43 AM (sdi6R)

20 Dickface has another alias?

Posted by: BignJames at July 30, 2016 06:44 AM (9RGU3)

21 Firearm violence is a pandemic in that report, but what about real pandemics like Ebola and the US government never stopped travel to the countries where that virus was raging.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 06:44 AM (UCmD0)

22 Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 30, 2016 11:40 AM (bhbDH) Stick to the topic or go away. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 30, 2016 11:41 AM (Zu3d9) He can go to any of these places... 9 Best Places to Move to for Everyone Who Vowed to Leave Country If Trump Wins http://bit.ly/2aGmamA ha!

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 30, 2016 06:44 AM (qCMvj)

23 Commonsense gun legislation, do they ever say exactly what that means?

Posted by: Meremortal at July 30, 2016 06:44 AM (3myMJ)

24 10... That reality didn't stop Marxist municipalities from enacting ever more repressive and illegal gun control measures. Supporters of the 2nd Amendment have done quite well on the national front over the last decade or so, however, we continue to lose ground in practically ever major metropolitan area.

Posted by: WVinMN at July 30, 2016 06:44 AM (TPf32)

25 10 I worry less about these historical data and the way they can use current (not fully formed trends.) Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 11:39 AM (3ZoRf) This should be: "I worry less about this historical data than the ways in which they can use current (not fully formed) trends." I need to learn not to post until I have eaten. It seems to degrade my grammar.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:44 AM (3ZoRf)

26 OK, clicked. It's not research. It's playing with numbers, otherwise known as steering by the wake. What happened to good statistical analysis?

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 30, 2016 06:44 AM (C9pBZ)

27 Family nukes for all of us. Low yield stuff for demonstration purposes, mostly.

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at July 30, 2016 06:45 AM (62got)

28 21 Firearm violence is a pandemic in that report, but what about real pandemics like Ebola and the US government never stopped travel to the countries where that virus was raging. Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 11:44 AM (UCmD0) Zika is another one you could add to that.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:45 AM (3ZoRf)

29 Stick to the topic or go away. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 30, 2016 11:41 AM Ok. Since Trump has about a 2% of winning, do you think Hillary will find a way to force us to turn in our firearms?

Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 30, 2016 06:45 AM (bhbDH)

30 Staying in topic, if Trump is elected will it mean you can get .22LR cheap at Walmart again?

Posted by: blaster at July 30, 2016 06:45 AM (vJFfv)

31 Since my first vote for Reagan in 1980 (still underage) I haven't missed an election, local, state or fed.  Since my last vote for Reagan, it has always be a choice of the lesser of two evils.  It's really quite frustrating.  I was glad to vote for Darryl Glenn tho.

Posted by: Infidel at July 30, 2016 06:46 AM (jmkkn)

32 Firearm violence is a pandemic in that report, but what about real pandemics like Ebola and the US government never stopped travel to the countries where that virus was raging.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 11:44 AM (UCmD0)


No, no....merely the "threat" of firearm violence.

Posted by: BignJames at July 30, 2016 06:46 AM (9RGU3)

33 Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 30, 2016 11:32 AM (bhbDH)

LOL, Reuters found the same thing.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/htvmlxr

Oh wait, no they didn't. They found a 14 point swing towards Trump during the course of the conventions and are now looking to adjust their methodology to produce an answer they want to hear.

Posted by: Buffalo Bills at July 30, 2016 06:46 AM (3Liv/)

34 I think the repeal of the Missouri law is recent so I dont know how they can see a correlation with that little data period.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 30, 2016 06:46 AM (iQIUe)

35 The Man I Love Just Asked Me If He Should Give Up His Dream of Becoming A Police Officer http://bit.ly/2abZ98M

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at July 30, 2016 06:46 AM (qCMvj)

36 What happened to good statistical analysis? Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 30, 2016 11:44 AM (C9pBZ) What is this statistical anal-ysis you speak of? Next you'll be saying we should 'reason' and other strange, sorcerous techniques.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:47 AM (3ZoRf)

37 Staying in topic, if Trump is elected will it mean you can get .22LR cheap at Walmart again? Posted by: blaster at July 30, 2016 11:45 AM (vJFfv) ***** I'm thinking the days of $15 for a box of 550 .22LR Remington are long gone.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 30, 2016 06:47 AM (wUFYj)

38 Gun sales are up because of Obama.

Posted by: Myiq2xu at July 30, 2016 06:48 AM (5fSr7)

39 You know what I find tiresome? The lib talking point about guns and the CDC. I ask them if they know what CDC stands for.

Posted by: blaster at July 30, 2016 06:48 AM (vJFfv)

40 It's a pandemic only if by "pandemic" you mean a 50% decrease to an all time low. That's not my definition, but I only have a cow college science degree. "In 2013, nearly 11 million firearms were manufactured in the U.S., more than double the number produced in 2008." As the murder rate kept dropping. Oh btw, whose fault is it that gun sales doubled? Hmm?

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 30, 2016 06:48 AM (ozZau)

41 BTW, the use of the term "pandemic" in this application is also illuminating. "Gun violence" in the US doesn't fit any definition of the term.

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 30, 2016 06:49 AM (C9pBZ)

42 Morning. Off to a great start here. Sadly I must go do yard work. Ugh.

Posted by: Diogenes at July 30, 2016 06:49 AM (0tfLf)

43 Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 30, 2016 11:45 AM (bhbDH)

Last chance.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 30, 2016 06:49 AM (Zu3d9)

44 (i don't have the link handy), however, i read that prosecution of straw purchases was down under the obama regime. how hard would it be for a straw purchaser to buy a gun "legally", give it to the intended thug, and later report it as "stolen"? this could dovetail with the left wanting to increase gun crime to push for more control.

Posted by: willy at July 30, 2016 06:50 AM (NHpjb)

45 I mentioned this in the earlier, but NRA's still sending out those sale price membership upgrades. If they keep offering $300 easy-pay upgrades, I'm going to see just how many levels there really are. I assume they'll just keep making up new membership levels if you keep giving them money. But I'm gonna find out.

Posted by: Chupacabra[/i][/b] at July 30, 2016 06:50 AM (McglG)

46 Wow, NPR this morning bad-mouthing the Russians as strongly as they poo-pooed their threat when Romney identified them as our enemy! What could have changed? Anyone? Bueller? Anybody?

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at July 30, 2016 06:50 AM (n/6oc)

47 29 tOP, she won't have to force people like you it's clear, you will drop them off on the way to the boxcars no doubt. The rest of us, we'll they don't have nightmares that bad.

Posted by: Patrick Henry at July 30, 2016 06:50 AM (sh3RV)

48 Tiny Johnson is wrong!

Posted by: Olsen Johnson at July 30, 2016 06:50 AM (IqV8l)

49 I like the use of the word "pandemic".


Goodmorning, 'rons.  I drank too much last night.  Ugh.

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at July 30, 2016 06:51 AM (+eR2D)

50 In the Trump Administration 22lr ammo and high quality taco bowls will be available to every American, at terrific prices. Amazing! #RoundsAndSalsa

Posted by: Donald Trump at July 30, 2016 06:51 AM (/wm8n)

51
A disarmed populace is a cowed populace.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 11:38 AM (UCmD0)





You misspelled "enslaved".



Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 30, 2016 06:51 AM (LuZz8)

52 46 Wow, NPR this morning bad-mouthing the Russians as strongly as they poo-pooed their threat when Romney identified them as our enemy! What could have changed? Anyone? Bueller? Anybody? Posted by: Ray Van Dune at July 30, 2016 11:50 AM (n/6oc) It really is bizarro world. Too bad they could not have done this 40 years ago.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:51 AM (3ZoRf)

53 How are firearms communicable?

Meanwhile Merck is pushing ahead with trials for its Ebola vaccines. I suggest they get a bunch of Congress critters for their first trial.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 06:51 AM (UCmD0)

54 @50 works for me.

Posted by: blaster at July 30, 2016 06:51 AM (vJFfv)

55 Staying in topic, if Trump is elected will it mean you can get .22LR cheap at Walmart again? Posted by: blaster at July 30, 2016 11:45 AM (vJFfv) A provisional yes. It'll depend on if he appoints a good first SCOTUS justice AND gets him/her confirmed. Right now he's working AGAINST the GOP keeping the senate., so it's just another WTF day in Trumpland.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 30, 2016 06:52 AM (ozZau)

56 Whomp him Mr. Dildo!

Posted by: Dave at Buffalo Roam at July 30, 2016 06:52 AM (62got)

57 Posted by: Chupacabra at July 30, 2016 11:50 AM (McglG)


AFAIK it's Life, Patron and Benefactor.....I've been a Life member for about 30 years...are there more?

Posted by: BignJames at July 30, 2016 06:52 AM (9RGU3)

58 Never mind that they have the answer at their fingertips. Just enforce existing laws against...you know....theft! ............. Unfortunately, that's not the whole story.. straw purchases account for a very large number of guns getting into the hands of gangbangers.. from the article: "In 44.3 percent of the cases where the perpetrator was not the owner of the firearm, the police could not get in contact with the owner to find out how they lost possession of it. In cases where police made contact with the original owner, more than 30 percent said they were stolen, but only 57.9 percent of those had officially reported the theft prior to recovery by police." leads to lots of questions.. what about the other 55%? Only 30% were stolen! What about the other 70%? Straw purchases would account for lots of them.. trafficking needs to be addressed. And our current laws make it very easy in some states.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 30, 2016 06:52 AM (UpGcq)

59 53 How are firearms communicable? Meanwhile Merck is pushing ahead with trials for its Ebola vaccines. I suggest they get a bunch of Congress critters for their first trial. Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 11:51 AM (UCmD0) Even during my History of epidemics course 'pandemic' was a fuzzy term that the prof did not really like. Epidemic was something that had a specific % of the population that it had to effect- although I cannot remember it right now. Sorry Prof Carmichael.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:54 AM (3ZoRf)

60 "Drank too much"? I understand the words, just not in that order...

Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 30, 2016 06:54 AM (C9pBZ)

61 Who knew Gitmo had a decent bar: https://goo.gl/5BRxYh The civilian attys defending the terrorists are always throwing tantrums about the accommodations there for themselves. Eff 'em!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 30, 2016 06:54 AM (iQIUe)

62 Data flaw: the women who "lost or forget to report the stolen firearm' we're more than likely related to the criminal and thus criminals themselves. It is bias towards men being violent, when most times the relative or significant other of the man are pressuring them to committed the crimes as acts of revenge for the woman or to provide whatever the woman says she needs. Did I win anything?

Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 30, 2016 06:55 AM (a94gW)

63 It really is bizarro world. Too bad they could not have done this 40 years ago.
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Russians aren't communsits any more. They're the guys who threw the communists out, hence global villain.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apperently nonvoting democrat at July 30, 2016 06:55 AM (3Liv/)

64 So a technical question: if you purchase a firearm for yourself, and later give it as a gift (say to your father.) Is that illegal?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:55 AM (3ZoRf)

65

 

Dr. Fabio and his co-authors recommend that more efforts be made to educate the public about safe storage of firearms and injury prevention,

 

 

 

So they're saying join the NRA?

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 30, 2016 06:56 AM (lKyWE)

66
53 How are firearms communicable?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 11:51 AM (UCmD0)






Heh.

When I used to try talking lefty friends into coming to the range, I'd tell 'em that "guns don't have cooties, you're not going to suddenly turn into a gun nut and start voting Republican just for touching one".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 30, 2016 06:56 AM (LuZz8)

67 With this Zika virus outbreak in Miami, last nite's plan to re-home Ace to Miami is on hold.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 30, 2016 06:56 AM (iQIUe)

68 Did I win anything? Posted by: Cactus of Liberty at July 30, 2016 11:55 AM (a94gW) --------- Pick up your free taco bowl at comment 50.

Posted by: Donald Trump at July 30, 2016 06:56 AM (/wm8n)

69 Heh. When I used to try talking lefty friends into coming to the range, I'd tell 'em that "guns don't have cooties, you're not going to suddenly turn into a gun nut and start voting Republican just for touching one". Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 30, 2016 11:56 AM (LuZz If only.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:56 AM (3ZoRf)

70 Staying in topic, if Trump is elected will it mean you can get .22LR cheap at Walmart again?
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Probably depends on whether Soros' army abides by the results of the election.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apperently nonvoting democrat at July 30, 2016 06:57 AM (3Liv/)

71 This just proves it. If there weren't any guns in this country, there wouldn't be any guns to steal and there wouldn't be any gun trafficing. This is so obvious even a moron can understand it.

Posted by: Tuesday Gothic at July 30, 2016 06:58 AM (m/LaZ)

72 Straw purchases would account for lots of them.. trafficking needs to be addressed. And our current laws make it very easy in some states. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 30, 2016 11:52 AM (UpGcq) ***** Welcome to the Bloomberg movement.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 30, 2016 06:58 AM (wUFYj)

73 So a technical question: if you purchase a firearm for yourself, and later give it as a gift (say to your father.) Is that illegal?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 11:55 AM (3ZoRf)


Depends on which state, I'd guess.

Posted by: BignJames at July 30, 2016 06:58 AM (9RGU3)

74 71 This just proves it. If there weren't any guns in this country, there wouldn't be any guns to steal and there wouldn't be any gun trafficing. This is so obvious even a moron can understand it. Posted by: Tuesday Gothic at July 30, 2016 11:58 AM (m/LaZ) *wave hand* These aren't the morons you're looking for. They can go about their business.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 06:59 AM (3ZoRf)

75 Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 11:55 AM (3ZoRf)

If you purchased the weapon with the intent to give it to your father then it is an illegal straw purchase.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 30, 2016 06:59 AM (Zu3d9)

76 There is data and there is interpretation.

One is objective.  The other is subjective.

Who you gonna believe?  Me or your lying eyes.


Posted by: Grampa Jimbo at July 30, 2016 06:59 AM (4+VII)

77 Of course to fully counter the first study, do the authors propose the same draconian level of control on knives, axes, and machetes which have also recently been in the news for their roles in the murder of innocent people?

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 07:00 AM (UCmD0)

78 It is bias towards men being violent, when most times the relative or significant other of the man are pressuring them to committed the crimes as acts of revenge for the woman or to provide whatever the woman says she needs. ... Eh, the methhead illegal who home invaded my disabled BIL did it because he's an effin' meth head. The guy who assaulted me did it because he was an effin' rapist. Just anecdotal but there were no women svengalis involved in those.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 30, 2016 07:00 AM (ozZau)

79 I'm thinking the days of $15 for a box of 550 .22LR Remington are long gone.
Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 30, 2016 11:47 AM (wUFYj)


Yeah, think again.

Posted by: QE-4 at July 30, 2016 07:00 AM (ry34m)

80 Holy smokes, a hot air balloon carrying 16 people caught fire and crashed in Lockhart, TX this morning.  They don't think there are any survivors. 

Posted by: DangerGirl and her 1.21 gigawatt Sanity Prod at July 30, 2016 07:00 AM (+eR2D)

81 So a technical question: if you purchase a firearm for yourself, and later give it as a gift (say to your father.) Is that illegal? Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 11:55 AM (3ZoRf) **** The answer should be "no" everywhere, but unfortunately it depends on your State laws.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 30, 2016 07:00 AM (wUFYj)

82 Welcome to the Bloomberg movement. ......... welcome to denial..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 30, 2016 07:01 AM (UpGcq)

83 75 Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 11:55 AM (3ZoRf) If you purchased the weapon with the intent to give it to your father then it is an illegal straw purchase. Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 30, 2016 11:59 AM (Zu3d9) Ok, well, hypothetically this would have happened around 20 years ago. Also, the person in question bought it for himself and liked the gun so much he wanted to give one to his father. Hypothetically he gave the one he had to his father for his birthday, but could never find the exact gun he liked again. This would cause him great sorrow. Hypothetically.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:01 AM (3ZoRf)

84 @64 yes. But. You can't give it to someone out of state without doing a transfer through a FFL and with a background check. If you know that the person you are giving it to cannot legally buy then it's a straw purchase.

Posted by: blaster at July 30, 2016 07:01 AM (vJFfv)

85 Just anecdotal but there were no women svengalis involved in those.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 30, 2016 12:00 PM (ozZau)


Any svenjollys?

Posted by: BignJames at July 30, 2016 07:02 AM (9RGU3)

86 So a technical question: if you purchase a firearm for yourself, and later give it as a gift (say to your father.) Is that illegal?
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 11:55 AM (3ZoRf)


Depends on the state.  In Oregon, yes.  It is prosecutable as a straw purchase. 

Posted by: QE-4 at July 30, 2016 07:03 AM (ry34m)

87 welcome to denial.. Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 30, 2016 12:01 PM (UpGcq) **** But of course. What is your solution?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 30, 2016 07:03 AM (wUFYj)

88 Ravil Mingazov Former Russian dancer approved for release. This ethnic Tartar is the last Russian captive at Guantánamo. He says he fled his homeland, where he was once a Russian Army dancer, because Muslims were oppressed in the military. A federal court declared him unlawfully detained in 2010 but the Justice Department appealed that decision. Activists took up his cause and won him sympathy in unusual places. Across the years communities in western Massachusetts and Berkeley, California, offered him asylum, if U.S. law were to allow it. His first preference is to go to Nottingham, England, where his teenaged son lives with his ex-wife and her parents. http://goo.gl/MXAPnU ================= Of course Bezerkly and Masshole would fight over him. Doesnt see like the ruskies want him back.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 30, 2016 07:03 AM (iQIUe)

89 Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 12:01 PM (3ZoRf)

Hypothetically, what would this pistol be? And if it wasn't designed by or based on a John Browning design you will need to be very careful....


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 30, 2016 07:04 AM (Zu3d9)

90 You can purchase firearms as gifts in Texas.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 30, 2016 07:04 AM (ozZau)

91 Welcome to the Bloomberg movement.
.........
welcome to denial..

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at July 30, 2016 12:01 PM (UpGcq)


I think the objection is that you've bought into the nonsense that we should be making an effort to 'keep guns out of the hands of criminals'. You can't. It's simply not possible.


The solution to gun involved crime is a predominantly armed populace. There isn't another option. People who won't defend themselves are going to victims sooner or later, either by the scary guy in the alley, or the scary guy with the IRS badge.

Posted by: Methos, AoSHQ commenter since 2006, now apperently nonvoting democrat at July 30, 2016 07:05 AM (3Liv/)

92
So a technical question: if you purchase a firearm for yourself, and later give it as a gift (say to your father.) Is that illegal?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 11:55 AM (3ZoRf)









No.......and maybe. If you purchase with the intent of giving it as a gift to a family member who isn't a criminal, it's legal, but if your intent is to give it to a family member who IS a criminal it's illegal. But that assumes that you KNOW that the family member is a criminal who is prohibited from owning firearms. And how does the DA prove intent?

Then again, as I recall, the law and 4473 is written vaguely enough that even purchasing as a gift to a non-criminal is kind of gray area.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 30, 2016 07:05 AM (LuZz8)

93 Not checking to see if there were responses but chi-town your leap to "straw purchases" as a big factor based only on the very very very dubious numbers for stolen and reported stolen is, um, dubious. Self-reported data is always a problem in any social analysis. In this instance it renders things almost climate-change speculative.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 30, 2016 07:05 AM (QDnY+)

94 stupid money-printing hyperinflationary sock

Posted by: Kindltot at July 30, 2016 07:05 AM (ry34m)

95 If there weren't any illegal drugs in this country there wouldn't be any drug addicts who commit crimes. *mic drop*

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 30, 2016 07:06 AM (/wm8n)

96 I think I have that thing that goes up on my tongue.

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at July 30, 2016 07:06 AM (Tyii7)

97 I see. Could be a state law thing indeed. For example if I hypothetically purchased a pistol and gave it to my wife for Valentines because I am romantic like that it would be legal in VA because she can legally purchase it.

Posted by: blaster at July 30, 2016 07:06 AM (vJFfv)

98

 

How can you stop trafficing with open borders

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 30, 2016 07:06 AM (lKyWE)

99 Have to wonder why UK gave the terrorist family asylum. Do they not give a shit who they let in the country?

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 30, 2016 07:06 AM (iQIUe)

100 I promise...just the tip!

And your mouth is safe. Trust me.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 30, 2016 07:06 AM (OxsRO)

101 Hypothetically, what would this pistol be? And if it wasn't designed by or based on a John Browning design you will need to be very careful.... Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 30, 2016 12:04 PM (Zu3d9) Hypothetically, it was a Ruger Vaquero with a Bisley grip. .45 colt with blued steel and rosewood grips. Hypothetically, the model was discontinued and then re-continued, and then subsequently discontinued. Hypothetically, the person in question never seems to look for it when it is available. The person probably needs to go to one of the gun shows. Hypothetically.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:07 AM (3ZoRf)

102 so if there were no guns anywhere in the world to walk outside and shoot people, knives that behead people, and cars that crash and kill people would have to be eliminated, too. for the children.

Posted by: willy at July 30, 2016 07:07 AM (NHpjb)

103 41 BTW, the use of the term "pandemic" in this application is also illuminating. "Gun violence" in the US doesn't fit any definition of the term. Posted by: Anon a mouse... at July 30, 2016 11:49 AM (C9pBZ) Well, it starts with a drive-by shooting in Chicago. Then a gang-banger offs his rival in St. Louis. Then a guy in Philly shoots his girlfriend for cheating on him. Then I shoot my neighbor because the leaves from his tree blow onto my lawn. These things just kind of escalate until you have a full-blown pandemic.

Posted by: rickl at July 30, 2016 07:07 AM (sdi6R)

104 Hillary didn't say 'keep guns out of the hands of criminals', she said don't let the wrong people have guns.

Posted by: Tuesday Gothic at July 30, 2016 07:08 AM (m/LaZ)

105 Looks like someone is about to be hit by Reality

http://www.ufunk.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/selection-du-weekend-203-62.jpg

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 07:08 AM (UCmD0)

106 for the children. Posted by: willy at July 30, 2016 12:07 PM (NHpjb) Don't forget poison sir!

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:09 AM (3ZoRf)

107 Dogs and cats living together...mass hysteria!

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at July 30, 2016 07:09 AM (/wm8n)

108 Hillary didn't say 'keep guns out of the hands of criminals', she said don't let the wrong people have guns. Posted by: Tuesday Gothic at July 30, 2016 12:08 PM (m/LaZ) **** Big time weasel wording. I'm sure every one us would be the "wrong people.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 30, 2016 07:10 AM (wUFYj)

109 Hillary didn't say 'keep guns out of the hands of criminals', she said don't let the wrong people have guns.

That would be everybody. I'm a genius.

Posted by: Ready For Hillary!!11!! at July 30, 2016 07:10 AM (Tyii7)

110 "Yes your Honor, Charlie Crist has no dick because its on a blog talking trash."

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 07:11 AM (UCmD0)

111 there was a problem sometime in the far away time back i thought i should address: i like jennifer connelly. especially the jennifer connelly of "a beautiful mind". also, she likes sleeping (not sleeping around you dirty mind you), which i find charming. ok. all done. sorry to interrupt.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 30, 2016 07:11 AM (WTSFk)

112 104 Hillary didn't say 'keep guns out of the hands of criminals', she said don't let the wrong people have guns. ...... if you like your guns, you can keep your guns. hillary lies.

Posted by: willy at July 30, 2016 07:12 AM (NHpjb)

113

 

Big time weasel wording. I'm sure every one us would be the "wrong people.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 30, 2016 12:10 PM (wUFYj)

 

 

Yes just wanting to own a gun will land you on the naughty list

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 30, 2016 07:12 AM (lKyWE)

114 What about the 20% who are lawful owners? I wonder what the crimes were for those. I bet they are mainly for having them somewhere they are not allowed to be not drugs or assault or robbery or anything like that.

Posted by: blaster at July 30, 2016 07:12 AM (vJFfv)

115 Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 12:07 PM (3ZoRf)

Check the photo in the post.....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 30, 2016 07:13 AM (Zu3d9)

116 First

Posted by: Tuesday Gothic at July 30, 2016 07:14 AM (m/LaZ)

117 I believe the standard NRA levels are Life, Endowment, Patron, and Benefactor. But I've heard tale that there are levels above those that they don't really advertise. It's no skin off my ass, as it doesn't bug me to send them money for no reason.

Posted by: Chupacabra[/i][/b] at July 30, 2016 07:14 AM (McglG)

118 I picked up my milled AK barreled receiver this week. Nicely phosphated. I have it soaking on oil to let it absorb all it wants while I start looking for parts to finish it. I can cannibalize parts from my RPK just to test fit but it will need a bolt carrier and spring of it's own to be complete. I have a trigger group in a box somewhere so that should be covered. Oddly, there was no muzzle brake detent installed so I will have to get one of those too. And furniture, of course.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 30, 2016 07:15 AM (rwI+c)

119 He says he fled his homeland, where he was once a Russian Army dancer, because Muslims were oppressed in the military. Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 30, 2016 12:03 PM Does the US Army have dancers?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 30, 2016 07:15 AM (IqV8l)

120 106 ..... poison much like a gun, can just sit under the kitchen cabinet, waiting for a hapless victim, then jump out, and kill indiscriminately... /anti gunner liberal logic

Posted by: willy at July 30, 2016 07:15 AM (NHpjb)

121 115 Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 12:07 PM (3ZoRf) Check the photo in the post..... Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at July 30, 2016 12:13 PM (Zu3d9) Yeah, that's the one. The one that I was referring had all blued parts, including trigger and hammer.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:15 AM (3ZoRf)

122 And really, the only guns I feel I absolutely need at this point are a matched pair of case-hardened Colt SAA's. But I wouldn't feel as bad about rockin' and rollin' with a New Vaquero.

Posted by: Chupacabra[/i][/b] at July 30, 2016 07:16 AM (McglG)

123

 

Does the US Army have dancers?

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at July 30, 2016 12:15 PM (IqV8l)

 

 

They soon will

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 30, 2016 07:16 AM (lKyWE)

124 115 ... ::drools::

Posted by: willy at July 30, 2016 07:17 AM (NHpjb)

125 61 Who knew Gitmo had a decent bar: Went to GITMO 3 times while I was in the Navy. Marine E-club was up the hill, nice place that had a neighborhood bar kind of feel to it. You were on your own getting to/from this one Navy E-club was just a huge open room with a bar at the back. Sailors from all the different ships there for training gathered there. Usually at least one bar fight Cattle car to the pier at closing time was always an adventure.

Posted by: PMRich at July 30, 2016 07:17 AM (w5Qj0)

126 That is a picture of the Ruby Cowboy semi automatic revolver, 32 shots per second with high caliber cop killer bullets; a very dangerous weapon when in the wrong hands.

Posted by: Tuesday Gothic at July 30, 2016 07:18 AM (m/LaZ)

127 http://pics.gunbroker.com/GB/574414000/574414024/pix236818649.jpg This was pretty much exactly what the person I was referring to hypothetically had.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:18 AM (3ZoRf)

128 Of course this general subject - what % of firearms used in crimes are legally owned by the perp - has been carefully avoided in most "research". Even as it emerged, instantly, as the central question in the whole discussion of "gun control" laws. I recall Lott (I think) doing some very preliminary work on this a while ago, but running into a big data problem up front: very little data on this very item (captured perps using firearms they didn't legally own). It's not a category that police depts have had any reason to compile, in general. The 80% number in this "study" is probably low-representative. Obvious, glaring implication: legally-owned firearms in the possession of their owners are *not a relevant factor for actual violent crime, period*. Of course when examined logically, even the whole background check/waiting period system has a trivial effect on firearms-related crime. But the mountain of unconstitutional and idiotic laws (esp. state laws) that continues to grow higher clearly has no public benefit.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 30, 2016 07:18 AM (QDnY+)

129 Just bought the first gun I've ever owned two weeks ago. Can't wait till next Sunday for my first training session.

Posted by: Defenestratus at July 30, 2016 07:18 AM (e8+zH)

130 I also learned something this week when I went to my arms merchant. Besides learning that my driver's license expired last month. In Alabama, if you have a carry permit, the FFL doesn't call the feds for a check. He just writes you up and puts your permit number where the fed check number would normally go and puts it in the file.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 30, 2016 07:18 AM (rwI+c)

131 Aestius - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/574414024

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 07:18 AM (UCmD0)

132 Does the US Army have dancers?

Well, we have an entire chorus line! Hello Frisco!1!

Posted by: The USS. Milk at July 30, 2016 07:18 AM (Tyii7)

133 What about the 20% who are lawful owners? I wonder what the crimes were for those. I bet they are mainly for having them somewhere they are not allowed to be not drugs or assault or robbery or anything like that.
Posted by: blaster at July 30, 2016 12:12 PM (vJFfv)


In Portland OR a few or more years ago it was noted that the "guns seized in arrests" included things like taking a rifle that was in the trunk of a car of a man busted for soliciting prostitution.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 30, 2016 07:18 AM (ry34m)

134 The only time I've ever heard a liberal say that guns just don't "go off" is the case of that social worker who got shot by a cop sitting on the ground with the autistic guy. I don't understand how you can believe two opposing views at the same time, but somehow they've perfected it.

Posted by: Chupacabra[/i][/b] at July 30, 2016 07:18 AM (McglG)

135 does the us army have dancers? they used to. ken berry was one and performed on the ed sullivan show on the army's behalf. after his hitch was up his sergeant recommended he get into show business. his sarge? leonard nimoy.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 30, 2016 07:20 AM (WTSFk)

136 "Yes your Honor, Charlie Crist has no dick because its on a blog talking trash." Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 12:11 PM (UCmD0) -------------------- And that triggered me to wiki the trans-man. He's running for Congress in FL-13 with no primary opponents. In November he'll face either David Jolly (the R incumbent) or Mark Bircher, Jolly's R challenger. Any Floridians know anything about this race? Come to think of it, I think there was going to be a weekly thread about down-ballot candidates, but if anyone knows anything now, please spill and we can always repost.

Posted by: iforgot says God bless Fleegle at July 30, 2016 07:21 AM (5o5ek)

137 Apparently, Russian Army Dancers are a big deal over there. Maybe, they dance with sabers? The US Army has bands and jazz ensembles, so there!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 30, 2016 07:21 AM (iQIUe)

138 131 Aestius - http://www.gunbroker.com/item/574414024 Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 12:18 PM (UCmD0) Thanks Anna. I bookmarked it. A couple of paychecks and

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:22 AM (3ZoRf)

139 Just bought the first gun I've ever owned two weeks ago. Can't wait till next Sunday for my first training session. Posted by: Defenestratus at July 30, 2016 12:18 PM (e8+zH) That's great! Is it a handgun, rifle or what? I bet you'll really enjoy your training session.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 30, 2016 07:22 AM (ozZau)

140 ot, recently orded the components to put together a 300blk upper for the sbr, plan to run it suppressed with subsonics.

Posted by: willy at July 30, 2016 07:23 AM (NHpjb)

141

 

The US Army has bands and jazz ensembles, so there!

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 30, 2016 12:21 PM (iQIUe)

 

 

And a choral group

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 30, 2016 07:23 AM (lKyWE)

142 137: you bet. knew a guy who toured the world as a musician in an army band. he said there were some brilliant musicians there.

Posted by: musical jolly chimp at July 30, 2016 07:23 AM (WTSFk)

143 The US Army has bands and jazz ensembles, so there! Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 30, 2016 12:21 PM (iQIUe) And a choral group No Gay Mans choir?

Posted by: donna at July 30, 2016 07:24 AM (O2RFr)

144 Does the US Army have dancers? There was Noah Galloway, but it wasn't his MOS. Pics for the 'ettes, though his partner ain't bad for the 'rons: http://preview.tinyurl.com/z8gn32d

Posted by: Blanco Basura at July 30, 2016 07:24 AM (T/cxb)

145

 

No Gay Mans choir?

Posted by: donna at July 30, 2016 12:24 PM (O2RFr)

 

Not yet.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 30, 2016 07:25 AM (lKyWE)

146 Obligatory: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUhl_QAk6mY

Posted by: rickl at July 30, 2016 07:25 AM (sdi6R)

147 I want to thank President Trump for fixing all of that idiot Obama created. Thank You and God bless you President Trump. Keep up the good work and good job in defeating Nurse Ratched......

Posted by: Anti-Mary Clogginstien Not From Vermont at July 30, 2016 07:25 AM (KLxf2)

148 Aestius, just trying to help a Moron out. Hopefully not bankrupt.

And back to writing I go.

Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 07:26 AM (UCmD0)

149 Was in New Orleans in some hole in the wall bar and they had about 6 USMC musicians moonlighting playing NO type jazz. They were very very good and very showy. I looked it up at the time and it is very competitive to get into the Marine bands.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 30, 2016 07:28 AM (iQIUe)

150 That's great! Is it a handgun, rifle or what? I bet you'll really enjoy your training session. Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 30, 2016 12:22 PM (ozZau) DPMS AR-15. I chose it because it seemed to be the most adaptable for what I want to do - hunting, target, and home defense. Got the 22 conversion upper too so I can use the cheap stuff when at the range. Oh, I also got it because it throws sniveling weenies into spams around here in New England when you tell them that you own one.

Posted by: Defenestratus at July 30, 2016 07:28 AM (e8+zH)

151 It's no skin off my ass, as it doesn't bug me to send them money for no reason. Posted by: Chupacabra at July 30, 2016 12:14 PM (McglG) I renewed my membership "before the rate increase" and got a 'free' ball cap. Card came. I need to remember I'm a paid up member until 2021.

Posted by: jwb7605 at July 30, 2016 07:28 AM (DofIg)

152 Next door neighbor has said he finally wants to have that talk with me about getting a gun, something he's mentioned in the past. Young beautiful couple with two gorgeous little daughters and a cool labrador, great neighbors. He's had some gun exposure as a youngster, plinking with 22s and such. I look forward to geeking out with him on gun selection, but another thing I'm interested in is his reaction when I brief him up on CA laws, which just recently were escalated to the absurd level of background checks for ammo purchases. I think disconnection (my awkward term) is a huge factor in the civic decay in the US, certainly in places like CA. Simply stated, if some govt. restriction or imposition or disaster doesn't directly, materially affect someone, within 48 hours - it may as well not have happened. Utter ignorance and indifference to anything outside their immediate daily life. This phenomenon is on display, big-time, in CA firearms laws, in their hundreds - none of which have even the theoretical possibility of advancing any public purpose whatsoever.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 30, 2016 07:29 AM (QDnY+)

153 148 Aestius, just trying to help a Moron out. Hopefully not bankrupt. And back to writing I go. Posted by: Anna Puma at July 30, 2016 12:26 PM (UCmD0) I appreciate it. Money is not the issue, but I am just starting a new job, and want to make sure I do not hate it (always a possibility) before dropping a chunk.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:30 AM (3ZoRf)

154

 

Oh, I also got it because it throws sniveling weenies into spams around here in New England when you tell them that you own one.

 

Don't let too many people know you own one and have it in the house

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 30, 2016 07:31 AM (lKyWE)

155 Thank you for reminding me I need to get another Sig Sauer .40

Posted by: Winnie in Arizona at July 30, 2016 07:31 AM (oP/qM)

156 Reading all the comments about guns, gifts, etc. Once again I thank God I live in Oklahoma.

Posted by: Soona at July 30, 2016 07:32 AM (Fmupd)

157 Morning. Off to a great start here. Sadly I must go do yard work. Ugh. Posted by: Diogenes at July 30, 2016 11:49 AM (0tfLf) LOL Here i am waiting for the dew to dry so i can go out to mow. And looking forward to it. I believe this is where people say: YMMV

Posted by: tbodie at July 30, 2016 07:32 AM (hQt/L)

158 University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health? WTF kind of "school" is that?....sounds like a bunch of government cheese to me. I did a "shoot off" between my P-64 and my East Kraut Makarov. 60 rounds apiece at 10-20-30-40 feet intervals. The P-64 actually shot better with no misfeedings or stovepipes and was accurate out to 40 feet. Hurts your hand a little after a few rounds but I was surprised the little bugger shot so well. The Mak had feeding issues and a few stovepipes but I will work on it. The Mak rear sight also had to be drifted right a little to get her on target. Score = Poles 1 Dirty East German Commies 0.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 30, 2016 07:32 AM (ej1L0)

159 It's about time for me to tackle the honey-do list, too.

Posted by: Chupacabra[/i][/b] at July 30, 2016 07:33 AM (McglG)

160 Don't let too many people know you own one and have it in the house Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 30, 2016 12:31 PM (lKyWE) No, I'm well aware of the danger of letting that information out in the wild. I don't proclaim it from the mountain, and its locked up and hidden in a very safe spot. (No place for a gun safe at the moment)

Posted by: Defenestratus at July 30, 2016 07:34 AM (e8+zH)

161

 

 brief him up on CA laws, which just recently were escalated to the absurd level of background checks for ammo purchases.


They also passed a law where if you build your own firearm you must apply to the state for a registration number that will have to be stamped onto firearm

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 30, 2016 07:34 AM (lKyWE)

162 Soviet Army chorus was a serious institution, you can still find their work doing patriotic, WWII, and Soviet music online. Powerful stuff. I'm betting their dance troupe would be a legacy of the Cossacks and their traditional dance, familiar to most people (recall the great scene in "Patton" of the Soviet dancers jumping atop the table where Patton and his staff were sitting). And the USMC's top band, the President's Own, of course is quite elite. I believe the members are recruited out of civilian life, serious musicians. This may also be the case for other service bands.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 30, 2016 07:34 AM (QDnY+)

163 Actually, these figures, if true, would justify a hoplophobe favorite: Hold gun owners responsible for any crimes committed by weapons they are known to own and have not reported stolen within ## hours.

Posted by: SDN at July 30, 2016 07:36 AM (SSIaQ)

164 Reading all the comments about guns, gifts, etc. Once again I thank God I live in Oklahoma. Posted by: Soona at July 30, 2016 12:32 PM (Fmupd) ***** Ditto with GA. I was working with some people in from IL, and one of them was talking about his FOID. They could not believe that with a GWL I could walk into a store and buy as many ARs, 30+ round mags and ammo as I could afford in under 5 minutes.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at July 30, 2016 07:36 AM (wUFYj)

165 Now hear this! Trombone auditions on the poop deck at oh eight hundred!1!

Posted by: The USS Milk at July 30, 2016 07:38 AM (Tyii7)

166 (recall the great scene in "Patton" of the Soviet dancers jumping atop the table where Patton and his staff were sitting). - I love the first scenes in Patton where he is reviewing some horse mounted musicians, brass and kettle drums on horseback. If I win the lottery, I'll have a horse-borne drum and bugle corps preceding me wherever I go.

Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 30, 2016 07:39 AM (Nwg0u)

167 Yep Flawless, CA gun laws are literally so numerous and aggressive that gun-nut organizations regularly have lawyers working for the key 2A law firms in the state coming in to brief them in an attempt to keep up. How effing ridiculous is that? Effect on public safety? Zilch - of course. "Gun control" really is the quintessential case of America abandoning its unique great civic history. Obviously unconstitutional measures with no possible public benefit imposed to harass law-abiding citizens - to the seal-clapping of a dumbed-down, ignorant, and weasel-authoritarian-minded electorate. With no political backlash and a spectacular display of judicial legislating and lawlessness.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 30, 2016 07:40 AM (QDnY+)

168 Yeah, that's the one. The one that I was referring had all blued parts, including trigger and hammer.
Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 12:15 PM (3ZoRf)


Hypothetically, I take it.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 30, 2016 07:42 AM (OxsRO)

169 I'm glad I live in Pennsylvania, where we still have decent gun rights. Article 1, Section 21 of the Pennsylvania Constitution is even better than the Second Amendment: Section 21. Right to Bear Arms The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned. So even suggesting gun control would seem to be unconstitutional in Pennsylvania. Not that that stops anybody.

Posted by: rickl at July 30, 2016 07:43 AM (sdi6R)

170 Hypothetically, I take it. Posted by: OregonMuse at July 30, 2016 12:42 PM (OxsRO) Absolutely! Hypothetically.

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:43 AM (3ZoRf)

171 Oh, SDN among the zillion new-ish stupid CA laws is one concerning the reporting-stolen-guns topic, as well. Of course. I of course break no laws, but I've given up trying to keep up, and generally regard laws as suggestions now - in all areas. The civil contract (real one, unlike the idiotic imaginary "social contract" beloved of fascists and racists and NPR listeners) has long been broken. So I can't even give you a summary of the new idiotic CA laws (at the last volunteers' dinner for my range, the lawyer had to cut short his update because it was dragging on so long and ruining the event).

Posted by: rhomboid at July 30, 2016 07:44 AM (QDnY+)

172 The 4473's instructions specifically allow for the purchase of the gun, IF the original purchaser is buying it explicitly as a GIFT, and not for resale. It's printed right onto the 4473's instructions. Sadly, various states have more restrictive laws, which throw various monkey wrenches into assorted gears. Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 30, 2016 07:46 AM (v5iqM)

173 OT but, just saw a promo for a new M. Night Shamylan film. People are still giving him money?

Posted by: Aetius451AD at July 30, 2016 07:47 AM (3ZoRf)

174 Someone mentioned it above, but besides the "gun law shock" I will impart to my young neighbor, I'm going to very strongly advise him to practice extreme discretion (translation: secretiveness to include lying) when it comes to gun ownership. Actually more for security reasons than anything else. But also for social reasons, here in the paradise of dumbed-down Coastal Clueless populated by people only nominally "Americans".

Posted by: rhomboid at July 30, 2016 07:47 AM (QDnY+)

175 DPMS AR-15. I chose it because it seemed to be the most adaptable for what I want to do - hunting, target, and home defense. Got the 22 conversion upper too so I can use the cheap stuff when at the range. Oh, I also got it because it throws sniveling weenies into spams around here in New England when you tell them that you own one. Posted by: Defenestratus at July 30, 2016 12:28 PM (e8+zH) *fistbump* Isn't it great how versatile they are. I think the main reason at the time I got my AR was the "throws sniveling weenies into spams" reason.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 30, 2016 07:48 AM (ozZau)

176 Section 21. Right to Bear Arms
The right of the citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned.

So even suggesting gun control would seem to be unconstitutional in Pennsylvania. Not that that stops anybody.

Posted by: rickl at July 30, 2016 12:43 PM (sdi6R)


Huh. "Shall not be questioned." That's very interesting wording.  It probably runs afoul of the 1st amendment to the US Constitution, but then, that's what I think about progressive attempts to prosecute businesses that "question" the validity of man-made climate change, so what do I know?

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 30, 2016 07:48 AM (OxsRO)

177 8 Posted by: Tiny Orange Penis at July 30, 2016 11:32 AM (bhbDH) ***** You keep believing that. Also, sorry to hear about self admitted...uuhhh...handicap. Posted by: ManWithNoParty Don't feel bad for him. It's self-inflicted, after all he is what he eats. Like Hillary!.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at July 30, 2016 07:48 AM (QdAXQ)

178 Even though I know that the 2A was not put in there for duck hunters, I'm not a firearms hobbyist like many of you morons are, but there's something about the pic of that revolver, I guess you'd call it craftsmanship, it just looks like something I'd like to own. Just to have and look at.

Posted by: OregonMuse at July 30, 2016 07:52 AM (OxsRO)

179 175 ... an additional plus for parts geeks is there are infinite parts for upgrades and swapping around. Tinker toys for adults. heck, wood stocks can even be installed so it looks less "assaulty"

Posted by: willy at July 30, 2016 07:53 AM (NHpjb)

180 I love the first scenes in Patton where he is reviewing some horse mounted musicians, brass and kettle drums on horseback. If I win the lottery, I'll have a horse-borne drum and bugle corps preceding me wherever I go. Posted by: Anonosaurus Wrecks, Racist for Dinosaurs at July 30, 2016 12:39 PM (Nwg0u) I hate that tv no longer shows the college football halftime shows. My school's Fightin' Texas Aggie band is awe-inspiring. Word went around that some Saudi sheik tried to buy them, but that was just a rumor. That elite Marine band mentioned above gave a concert on campus, and they were great.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 30, 2016 07:58 AM (ozZau)

181 At some point the left should realize they are singularly responsible for most of the gun sales over the past two decades. Every time they pander to their anti-gun donors implying that they will restrict or, wink wink nudge nudge, eliminate guns, gun sales skyrocket. And every time they go after a particular gun, that particular gun's sales go through the roof. But the biggest fail of this article is the obvious fact that criminals are not controlled by laws, only the law abiding are. Criminals are only controlled by the police and well armed civilians.

Posted by: IanDeal at July 30, 2016 07:59 AM (teGBX)

182 The Russian Army Mens Chorus were the star entertainment at the Olympics opening ceremony in Soshi. Watched that old silent propaganda movie on the October Revolution where they had real Cossacks doing Cossack dancing. They jumped and landed on their toes a lot which looked interesting and painful.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 30, 2016 07:59 AM (iQIUe)

183 178 Even though I know that the 2A was not put in there for duck hunters, I'm not a firearms hobbyist like many of you morons are, but there's something about the pic of that revolver, I guess you'd call it craftsmanship, it just looks like something I'd like to own. Just to have and look at. Posted by: OregonMuse at July 30, 2016 12:52 PM (OxsRO) That, frankly, is as good a reason as any to make the decision to purchase and own. If you can even borrow one, hold a pre "dash three" variant of a S&W Model 27, and not just hold it, but stare into it's every detail, from every angle, and be enthralled at the workmanship, detailing and breathtaking polish, bluing and overall precision of the thing. And that's from the days preceding CNC machining and other such automation. Just machine tools, well set-up jigs, and highly skilled and experienced machinists who took no small pride in their crafts. OM, that Ruger, though not as finely finished as the S&W, is still a classic in line, weight, balance and function. I cannot think of a finer choice for a "first pistol", even though the tradition is to start with a .22 lr. Just buy some softly loaded rounds for yours to start with, find some quality instruction, and you'll not regret a single dollar's outlay. Meanwhile, do study www.corneredcat.com for the best in knowledgeable, NO B.S., quality online instruction. Ms. Kathy Jackson is one of the nation's finest competitors and instructors. You can take her every word to the bank, I assure you. Jim Sunk New Dawn Galveston, TX

Posted by: Jim[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 30, 2016 07:59 AM (v5iqM)

184 That balloon crash is really awful.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 30, 2016 08:00 AM (ozZau)

185 Hopkins came out in around 2002 with a bogus study purported to demonstrate that gun crimes were going up exponentially with gun ownership. By now according to them we should have about 200,000 murders a year in the US. Also sponsored one of various "studies" that absolutely proved without a shadow of a doubt that US soldiers in Iraq commanded by the imbecile GW Bush had murdered over one million civilians by 2004 alone. Like the Medical School the regular Hopkins is situated in a ghetto area requiring employees to be protected by armed guards in parking areas yet they get grants to fake "studies" that tell everyone else to disarm.

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 30, 2016 08:01 AM (bCVaW)

186 175 Isn't it great how versatile they are. I think the main reason at the time I got my AR was the "throws sniveling weenies into spams" reason. Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 30, 2016 12:48 PM (ozZau) There's a reason why AR-15s are so popular. Well, actually, lots of reasons. One of them is that it's a military-grade weapon that can be easily handled by small women, unlike the M-1, which was pretty heavy. (I'm not implying that women can't handle an M-1, just that the M-16/AR-15 is easier.)

Posted by: rickl at July 30, 2016 08:02 AM (sdi6R)

187 Score = Poles 1 Dirty East German Commies 0.
Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 30, 2016 12:32 PM (ej1L0)


Check  your ammo.  My GDR Mak (before that tragic accident) would eat anything, truncated cone Wolf, round-nose Russian, and the only misfire I had was with ammo that I had run through the washer and dryer by forgetting it in the pocket of some jeans, and I had a pop-no kick and got to play with a dowel and a mallet to drive the bullet out.

Then, look at your recoil spring, Wolf Springs sells new ones if you can't find them anywhere else.
Generally I haven't had trouble with the magazines. 

The Bulgarian ones I found did not eat the truncated cone Wolf ammo well.

The Poles do good engineering I do admit.  German level intricacies. 

Posted by: Kindltot at July 30, 2016 08:04 AM (ry34m)

188 going to the beach.  Drat.  GF insists. 


Posted by: Kindltot at July 30, 2016 08:05 AM (ry34m)

189 Yep Flawless, CA gun laws are literally so numerous and aggressive that gun-nut organizations regularly have lawyers working for the key 2A law firms in the state coming in to brief them in an attempt to keep up. How effing ridiculous is that? We don't need gun control. We need [redacted], [redacted], and [redacted] control.

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at July 30, 2016 08:07 AM (SRKgf)

190 One of them is that it's a military-grade weapon that can be easily handled by small women, unlike the M-1, which was pretty heavy. (I'm not implying that women can't handle an M-1, just that the M-16/AR-15 is easier.) Posted by: rickl at July 30, 2016 01:02 PM (sdi6R) Agreed! They're great for the whole family. Recently I've argued with lefties online who want to ban ARs or ALL semi-autos, and I play the woman card on them, saying truthfully that I find my AR very comfortable to shoot. I tell them that small revolvers (for concealed carry) hurt my hand when I shoot them and I can shoot a small semi-auto more accurately and without pain. They don't care because they're fundamentally irrational and dishonest.

Posted by: stace...TEXIT at July 30, 2016 08:08 AM (ozZau)

191

 

That, frankly, is as good a reason as any to make the decision to purchase and own.

 

I think thats exactly what the left doesn't get.People love collecting whether its old cars,art work,old books or any one of a thousand other things,and yes many gun owners just like to collect guns.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 30, 2016 08:08 AM (lKyWE)

192 AR Slings. Single point? Two point? Anyone have one that they particularly like/don't like?

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 30, 2016 08:08 AM (9mTYi)

193
   I will look at all types of guns with great enjoyment but there are only 3 that I consider mandatory to own.

  To wit,the Garand  ( my Basic weapon)  My M14 (carried in service) and the 1911A1 (used in service and my personal carry piece).

Posted by: irongrampa at July 30, 2016 08:10 AM (X35Yt)

194 IG - I've probably asked before, but are you a member of the Garand Collectors Asso.? They produce a very nice quarterly publication.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 30, 2016 08:12 AM (9mTYi)

195 192 .... i've never tried a two point, i have a single point that works well. i can bang you in the 'nads, though. i've read pros and cons for both.

Posted by: willy at July 30, 2016 08:13 AM (NHpjb)

196 195: sorry typo= i can should be it can..lol

Posted by: willy at July 30, 2016 08:14 AM (NHpjb)

197 Then, look at your recoil spring, Wolf Springs sells new ones if you can't find them anywhere else. Generally I haven't had trouble with the magazines. 10-4...Thanks KT!....I cleaned up the mags pretty well and next will be a spring change out for the recoil and extractor. You think a polish of the feed ramp would help too?

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 30, 2016 08:16 AM (ej1L0)

198 @  194

     No, Mike, I'm not.  I've always had a real soft spot for the Garand since my service days.

     My true love is the M14.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 30, 2016 08:20 AM (X35Yt)

199 Can anyone recommend a match grade barrel for an AR-10 .308 that doesn't cost $600+?

Posted by: Hopped Up On Something at July 30, 2016 08:23 AM (bCVaW)

200 My arms merchant has a Remington Model 51 in 380 on consignment. Do any of you Morons own one? I like how smooth and slim it is but it's an ancient weapon. I could probably get it pretty cheap since someone gunkoted it at some point so it's not really collector grade.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 30, 2016 08:24 AM (rwI+c)

201 No, Mike, I'm not. I've always had a real soft spot for the Garand since my service days. My true love is the M14. Posted by: irongrampa ----------- Well, same here. As I said, the GCA has interesting content. FWIW, a scan of the latest front cover: http://preview.tinyurl.com/jomyxrm

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 30, 2016 08:26 AM (9mTYi)

202 Is that a Vaquero?

Posted by: Insomniac - Pale Horse/Death 2016 at July 30, 2016 08:31 AM (0mRoj)

203 199 well ya could try a 24"

Posted by: MAx at July 30, 2016 08:33 AM (0uuiT)

204 At 198 "irongrampa" whose true love is the M-14. I like that platform too. I don't have 1. I have a Police surplus M1A for 700 dollars they unloaded in favor of those 5.56 mm cat and rat rifles. The thing would not cycle. I bought the gas system wrench and the P and #15 drill and got enough charcoal out of the gas system to make a briquette, heh. I donl't think those officers ever cleaned the thing. I cleaned it real good including the camber with a chamber bush. It cycles just fine now. I have a magazine question. It came with 1 original magazine that has 6 tack welds on the magazine stop at the top back of the magazine. I bought 3 more magazines form Brownells with just 2 tack welds and the whole darn magazine stop just sheared off when I put it into the rifle. The original surplus M-14 20 rounders cost between 50 and 100 each. But I found some from a Taiwan supplier to their military with 4 tack welds that cost about 17 each from Cheaper Than Dirt. Did you ever use those? Are they any good? Any good affordable M-14 magazine recommendations.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at July 30, 2016 08:34 AM (cCxiu)

205 200 didn't the model 51 get pulled off the market cause it had so many problems?

Posted by: MAx at July 30, 2016 08:35 AM (0uuiT)

206 *?* $700 M1A? Dammit. I'm always the last one to hear about these things.

Posted by: Mike Hammer, etc., etc. at July 30, 2016 08:36 AM (9mTYi)

207 didn't the model 51 get pulled off the market cause it had so many problems? That's the new R51 gen 2. This is an original model 51 from 1922.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 30, 2016 08:37 AM (rwI+c)

208 63 Russians aren't communsits any more. They're the guys who threw the communists out, hence global villain. Oh crap, so that means now they are more effective enemies!? Well, at least they are still shitfaced most of the time...

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at July 30, 2016 08:39 AM (m9vvR)

209 Patton owned a Model 51 and preferred it to the 1911 for an autoloader. Or so I've read.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 30, 2016 08:42 AM (rwI+c)

210 @  204

  The mags are tacked 6 times for a reason.  Stay away from the cheap stuff.

   Best luck I've had is with mil-spec mags. A friend has some CTD Taiwanese mags, thus far he hasn't experienced any problems,but he IS a pretty light shooter.

Posted by: irongrampa at July 30, 2016 08:42 AM (X35Yt)

211 >>>The sidebar story "This Concealed Carrier Saved An Officer Under Attack / An armed society is a polite society. [CBD]" is so great, CBD. Thanks!

Posted by: m at July 30, 2016 08:44 AM (/7Lfc)

212 185 Hopkins came out in around 2002 with a bogus study purported to demonstrate... Does anyone else wonder if the total perversion of science isn't going to lead us back to another dark ages? I am not kidding here. Fucking Democrats - what would we do without them? I for one would love to find out!

Posted by: Ray Van Dune at July 30, 2016 08:46 AM (m9vvR)

213 Bob Owens went on an epically long twitter rant today. https://twitter.com/bob_owens Enjoy.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 30, 2016 08:47 AM (SEXy3)

214 @210, Iron Grampa.Thanks for the reply. Yep That's what I figured (those 6 tack welds were there for a reason). heh I will buy 1 of the Taiwan magazines and play with for a spell and see how it does while keeping my eye out for good deals on surplus military magazines.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at July 30, 2016 08:49 AM (cCxiu)

215 I have this vague recollection that the USMC has bands in each major city and 2 in NO. I think you also needed a masters in music or working on a masters to join. The small moonlighting group I saw in NO had groupies. All of the members were very showy and charismatic. Wish I could remember the name but that was 15 years ago.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 30, 2016 09:04 AM (iQIUe)

216 @206, Mike Hammer "700 dollar M!A- I'm always the last to hear of these things". Well Mike, as one moron to another let me clue you in. I don't generally spread this info around but since you're a AOSHQ guy here is the deal. Shhhhh, don't spread this around beyond AoSHQ. Lets keep it in the "circle of trust"...heh. 1.) Police Surplus- they are affordable. Contrary to leftist popular Press Propaganda, they are rarely shot in the line of duty. Some of those officers don't even practice that much with them so the firearm will be lightly fired. Now it will have holster wear. It own't be cleaned. It may not look pretty but it will be 100% functional (except for the occasional coffee and doughnut stain" after cleaning and checking over. This M!A was missing a sling swivel and a front ferrule, had a piece of duct tape on it with the officers name, heh. The black fiberglass stock had the paint worn off in areas, but it was well 700 bucks for a M!A Scout w/ 18 inch barrel. I bought 4 police surplus pistols I recently picked up at the 01 dealer. a.) A manhurin 73R in .357 (French Po-Po pistol)_ Ive wanted one for years. You can't wear the barrel or chambers out in 1 lifetime even with heavy firing. They had one they used for training the police in France with over a million rounds put through it. BArrel was not shot out yet. If they made a pistol like that today it would cost 2 or 3 grand. I would rank it as equal to a Korth. (4-6 grand revolver) b.) A model 10-8 Smith and Wesson, 4 inch heavy barrel. c.) A Glock 22 in 40 cal (Gen 3) d.) A Glock 22 in 40 cal (Gen 4) with an extra mag. All on the cheap. I'm buying mostly pistols now because I only have about 6 slots left in the safes for rifles but I can still cram heaps of pistols up on the top shelves. 2.) Look for the police auction sites on the internet. Search 'Police trade in firearms for sale" and various permutations on that theme. They sell pistols, rifles, shotguns, sometimes ammo, duty belts, holsters, magazines, tactical gear all on the cheap. And remember.....You heard it here on AoSHQ first. You will not believe what they sell these things for. They all work great.

Posted by: The Walking Dude at July 30, 2016 09:07 AM (cCxiu)

217 Picking up my Tokarev Monday.  Had a new front sight installed.  My dealer/'smith says he's never heard of anybody changing the sights on a Tok before but the original sights are zero'd for like 100 meters. Now I'll have a nice three-dot setup and see what's what.

Also says he has an AR to show me.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at July 30, 2016 09:08 AM (Kucy5)

218 Also threw in a new set of Wolf springs.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at July 30, 2016 09:08 AM (Kucy5)

219 Picking up my Tokarev Monday. Had a new front sight installed. My dealer/'smith says he's never heard of anybody changing the sights on a Tok before but the original sights are zero'd for like 100 meters. Now I'll have a nice three-dot setup and see what's what. Also says he has an AR to show me. Posted by: richard mcenroe at July 30, 2016 02:08 PM (Kucy5) Cool.....those Tok's original sights were not the best. A new sight should make that a sweet mama jama.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 30, 2016 09:10 AM (ej1L0)

220 Whoops! Scandal in the Curia: Ligurian priest drunk & naked caught with two migrants. http://goo.gl/EepAMD

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 30, 2016 09:11 AM (iQIUe)

221 So a couple of Dindunuffins took some shots at cops in Pennsylvania and here we go with "scoped sniper rifle".  As opposed, I guess, to an "unscoped sniper rifle".  I'm going to guess it was a Ruger 10/22 based on the obtuse description of the gun.


https://tinyurl.com/hf8e94g

Posted by: Country Singer at July 30, 2016 09:14 AM (GUBah)

222 And a ramp job to see if it will help feed the Pervy Partisan hollwpoints.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at July 30, 2016 09:14 AM (Kucy5)

223 Here's my offer: the cities should go into the areas with the highest number of gun deaths (guess where that would be) and confiscate all the illegal guns. I'm sure all the Democrat mayors who decry "gun violence" would agree with that.


Then we can talk about gun control.

Posted by: PJ at July 30, 2016 09:15 AM (cHuNI)

224 #221 From the lavish descriptions provided by the press, I am sure the two misunderstood Yoots were Swedish Lutherans.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at July 30, 2016 09:18 AM (Kucy5)

225 #219 Left the rear sight as it was, just added a couple of white dots. Picked the highest white dot I could find in Brownells for a Novak setup and my guy just widened the cut in the slide to accept it.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at July 30, 2016 09:22 AM (Kucy5)

226 @127 richard mcenroe "I had new front sights installed". Yep, I know what you mean about the Toks. I have quite a few of them but I just recently bought a M88 (a new manufactured Zastava" in 9 mm. I was shooting at a chest sized steel plate at 25 yards. It was good on the vertical but horizontal was so far off I had to aim 6 inches right from the edge of the steel plate to hit the thing. None of my other toks in 7.62 x 25 (Chinese, Romanian, Polish, Yugoslavian) were that far off. Geez!

Posted by: The Walking Dude at July 30, 2016 09:27 AM (cCxiu)

227 Posted by: OregonMuse at July 30, 2016 12:52 PM (OxsRO) I used to own a Ruger Blackhawk .357. It was a beautiful gun but I had a couple issues with it. First, the grip was a bit small for my hand and as a result, it got tiring when you put a lot of rounds through it in one outing. Second, the empty cartridges would sometimes get stuck in the cylinder and it was difficult to push them out. It sure went where I aimed it though!

Posted by: Bill R. at July 30, 2016 09:28 AM (jKUeC)

228 213 Bob Owens went on an epically long twitter rant today. https://twitter.com/bob_owens Enjoy. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at July 30, 2016 01:47 PM (SEXy3) Interesting. I agree with the need for better and more extensive training. However his thoughts on when lethal force is justified go a bit too far. If I started blasting somebody because I thought they made the oft-cited "furtive movement" that cops use as justification for shooting, I'd be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 09:30 AM (0mRoj)

229 220 Whoops! Scandal in the Curia: Ligurian priest drunk & naked caught with two migrants. http://goo.gl/EepAMD Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at July 30, 2016 02:11 PM (iQIUe) Living la vida Moron.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 30, 2016 09:31 AM (0mRoj)

230 #225 Front sight should be driftable,  Mine was just all bashed to shi'ite.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at July 30, 2016 10:00 AM (Kucy5)

231 speaking of Garands, i pick up a rifle and a stripped receiver on Tuesday

the rifle is a Beretta and the receiver is a Breda...

no, those aren't typos

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 30, 2016 10:30 AM (i6Yqt)

232 Straw purchases are against the law.

Posted by: Javems at July 30, 2016 10:58 AM (yOqwj)

233
Oh, I also got it because it throws sniveling weenies into spams around here in New England when you tell them that you own one.

Posted by: Defenestratus at July 30, 2016 12:28 PM (e8+zH)








Congrats.

If I had to bet, I'd say that around 40% or more of nationwide AR sales in the past 20 years has been for that very reason. Also known as "Because Fuck You, Cocksucker. That's Why."

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at July 30, 2016 10:59 AM (LuZz8)

234 I'm not sure why anyone doesn't have an AR - excellent mid range accuracy, easy to shoot, gender friendly (noise, recoil). AK's are for fun - fun as hell to shoot but dreadful platform overall.

Posted by: Patrick Henry at July 30, 2016 11:31 AM (tV56N)

235 Straw purchases are against the law.
---
no.... really?

the definition of what a straw purchase does vary from state to state, depending on what additional laws have been passed at that level, above and beyond what the feds say.

IOW, a gift purchase in one state is perfectly legal, and a felony in another.

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 30, 2016 11:32 AM (i6Yqt)

236 AK's are for fun - fun as hell to shoot but dreadful platform overall.
---
not necessarily: it all depends on what you want the platform to do.

the AR certainly gives you more options than the AK, but, within its envelope, the AK gets 'er done quite well

Posted by: redc1c4 at July 30, 2016 11:34 AM (i6Yqt)

237 And Gun Thread, because you reprobates will turn it into one anyway.....

CBD, you are far too young to be so cynical.

Posted by: Duncanthrax at July 30, 2016 11:41 AM (OF/aZ)

238 Don't get me wrong, I enjoy my AK's, especially my Saiga but overall, less accurate, too heavy...but they are idiot proof and must have been hell on wheels in full auto - on both sides of the action. Likely my last resort choice next to my Beneeli M4 when the day comes.

Posted by: Patrick Henry at July 30, 2016 11:46 AM (sh3RV)

239 Isn't that pistol a revolver?

Posted by: Bully at July 30, 2016 12:29 PM (6NjvM)

240 I believe that in Alabama it's only a straw purchase if the person you are buying it for would have not been legally able to buy it themselves.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 30, 2016 01:22 PM (rwI+c)

241 Isn't that pistol a revolver? Yes.

Posted by: Grump928(C) says Free Soothie! at July 30, 2016 01:23 PM (rwI+c)

242 Wait, what...80% of criminal perpetrators don't obey gun laws? Unpossible! Someone ought to make a law against that.

Posted by: Mr. Feverhead at July 30, 2016 02:58 PM (j1Wvr)

243 I'm back from the beach.

Hairyback Guy, if you are still reading, I would be cautious about polishing the feedramp to start with, I don't know what it would do, but I suspect it would be hard to undo.

One thing about some arms: if you do not give enough resistance to AKs and some 1911s they may stovepipe on you, since you are the anvil that the recoil action is acting against. 
A friend's wife could jam an AK and a 1911 because she would rock back to easy.  She's a small thing so that is part of the reason. 

We never had her try a Makarov since she had small hands too, and they are a bit snappy.  I wonder if that might be part of the problem.

Posted by: Kindltot at July 30, 2016 06:08 PM (ry34m)

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