October 30, 2011

The Walking Dead
— rdbrewer

Time for your weekly 50 minutes of hate.

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1 Show starting to bring the suck.

Posted by: Jprs at October 30, 2011 03:13 PM (DGnMA)

2 Today is the 50th anniversary of Tsar Bomba, the most powerful nuclear device ever detonated. Tsar Bomba

Posted by: rickl at October 30, 2011 03:14 PM (sdi6R)

3 I just had to link that somewhere.

Posted by: rickl at October 30, 2011 03:14 PM (sdi6R)

4 O/T: Roger Simon: Being Racist Helps in Republican Primaries (Video)

Politico's Roger Simon, appearing on CNN's Reliable Sources, said being "being extreme perhaps and a little bit racist perhaps, gives you good bona fides in a Republican primary. It shows them you're on the same side as they are"

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 03:18 PM (B0LGd)

5 I know a lot of people like Stephen King's The Stand.  I don't get why.  I read the first hundred or so pages a couple of times.  I've tried to watch the TV version.  I can't get into it.  Tried and tried.  Just can't. 

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 03:20 PM (RqTI6)

6

Racism is a semantic bludgeon used by the Left to achieve control of the social debate.

I don't know if Simon was being sarcastic or pretending to an intellectual insight, but it's always the same with these guys.

CNN - Reliable Sources. Yeah, there's an oxymoron.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 03:21 PM (sJTmU)

7 I got a ticket to ride -- on The Cain Train, past peznit of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank. Nice hat, Herb

Posted by: Doom am I, full-ripe, dealing death to the worlds, engaged in devouring mankind. at October 30, 2011 03:24 PM (6QZ7V)

8 Whom has a higher level of demonstrated intellect: the Walking Dead script writers or the zombies?

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at October 30, 2011 03:24 PM (ijjAe)

9 Are there going to be any zombies this week do you think?

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 30, 2011 03:26 PM (SB0V2)

10 50 minutes? with this crowd, it's more like 24/7 of hate.

Posted by: proudonkey at October 30, 2011 03:26 PM (NadeK)

11

I read "The Stand" about 30 years ago, and it is about the only whole novel of King's I ever read.  Because King is a hacktastic novelist. His writing is juvenile and poorly structured and edited. He has stolen, plagiarized or copied about every horror/terror meme ever written.  It's like he watched every old episode of the "Twilight Zone" and turned them into a novel or short story. A lot of his readers are not widely read or have not seen these things to be aware of what an unoriginal copycat he has been.

 And after awhile he starts to copy himself

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 03:26 PM (sJTmU)

12

Whoa - and just in time for Halloween.  And thinking that maybe this weekend's snow storm was successful in unmasking some of Obama's true believers ... http://ow.ly/7dn7V 

Posted by: ombez at October 30, 2011 03:27 PM (2DpoY)

13 Not watching.  I'm done with that but....

best headline of the year.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at October 30, 2011 03:28 PM (JYheX)

14 OT: But oh dear. Looks like Herb Cain is about to get the Clarence Thomas treatment.

Sigh.

(link to Politico btw)

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 30, 2011 03:28 PM (Uje4Y)

15 I'm currently watching I Am Number Four.  Oh Timothy Olyphant the things you make me do. 

Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 03:28 PM (Gk3SS)

16 Part of the problem with The Walking Dead is that the women aren't acting.  Someone caught one of them on video during some free time in between shots on the set.  (NSFW)

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 03:29 PM (RqTI6)

17 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.He probably likes this show.I'm done with it.

Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2011 03:29 PM (fyOgS)

18 I rather like the show, more-so now that I have had the opportunity to read a few issues of the graphic novel.

The comic is slow paced and a bit more exciting than the show. The whole point being you don't want to burn through every story arc you have before more is written. As for comments of it being "like a soap opera" that I have read here and there, the zomies and the apocalypse are the backdrop for the stories of the interaction between the living characters.

If you watch George Romero's original three zombie films, the zombie killing and feeding frenzies were a big part of the movies. Yet the depictions of the people who were affected by this plague or wrath of God were what made the movies more substantial.

Granted, TWD suffers from some pacing issues and the fact that they're trying to cater to what seems to be a liberal base (the episode entitled, "The Vatos" came close to being a deal breaker with me) but it is the only series of its kind. For that reason alone, I hope it is very successful so that there may be more zombie filled programs down the line.

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 03:29 PM (B0LGd)

19 For that reason alone, I hope it is very successful so that there may be more zombie filled programs down the line.

Apparently Zombieland got green lit to be a tv show which was the original plan. I am a wee bit excited about that. 

Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 03:31 PM (Gk3SS)

20 proudonkey, kindly leave if there's so much "hate" here.  Wouldn't want to be tainted, 'ya know.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 30, 2011 03:32 PM (Jy79E)

21 The comic is slow paced and a bit more exciting than the show. How does this make any sense? The show moves GLACIALLY. And the people in the show move glacially. And the zombie or two that allow to be photographed moved glacially . . . Anyway, it's like Mad Men or Buffy or any other soap opera. Just a soap with a weird setting.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 30, 2011 03:32 PM (SB0V2)

22 Question to the well read and because I can't remember: what came first? "Lucifer's Hammer" or "The Stand"? I always preferred the first

Posted by: Ma Bell at October 30, 2011 03:35 PM (kzFnw)

23 I hate the GOP.

Posted by: Barbarian at October 30, 2011 03:36 PM (EL+OC)

24 I'm a week behind, but two comments:

1) Why on Earth would a writer place his characters in a traffic jam for three weeks? The narrative literally grinds to a halt.

2) One thing I've learned from movies and TV is that if you're in a disaster/apocalypse situation, and you need medical attention, you'll get it. The only catch is, he's a veterinarian.

I mean, seriously - the veterinarian gag?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 30, 2011 03:38 PM (M+lbD)

25 I enjoy Stephen King's short stories better than most of his novels. The exception would be, "It" (Lovecraftian monster), "The Stand" (Apocalypse), "'Salem's Lot" (Non faggoty sparkling vampires), "Misery" (She cuts off his thumb and feeds it to him!) and the very first Dark Tower novel, "The Gunslinger" (Moar apocalypse!).

"Night Shift" (Highlights: "The Mangler", "Trucks", "Sometimes They Come Back, "One For The Road"), "Skeleton Crew" (Highlights: "The Mist", "Cain Rose Up", "Word Processor of the Gods"and  "The Monkey") "Different Seasons" ("The Body") were the best collections of his short works. Also, his earlier "Bachman Books" such as "Rage" and "The Running Man" are worth reading if you're a modern horror fan.

"Rage" is hard to find because King, in a fit of liberal guilt, disallowed it's reprinting because a brat who shot up a school in Kentucky back in the 90's said the book 'gave him the idea'.

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 03:39 PM (B0LGd)

26 I mean, seriously - the veterinarian gag?

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 30, 2011 08:38 PM (M+lbD)

===

Well, its a bit more believable than an actual MD. What I find humorous is that some folks balk at issues like that but have no problem with the idea of people coming back to life and eating human flesh.

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 03:41 PM (B0LGd)

27 I'm here waiting for Puss In Boots to start

Posted by: Zimri Monophthalmos at October 30, 2011 03:41 PM (dOgaW)

28

The problem with "The Walking Dead" and the Spielberg "Jurassic Park" movies is a classic lack of sufficient firepower. If we learned nothing else from the last Rambo movie, a 0.50 cal machine gun would make short work of

A - Zombies, even a whole herd of zombies

B- Dinosaurs, even a T-Rex

 

These guys on "The Walking Dead" should find an abandoned Army Arsenal somewhere and get their hands on a Ma Deuce and 20 thousand rounds of ammo.

That approach could have also worked, to a limited degree, on "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" (she did once use and anti-tank missile on a vampire to great effect), but it probably WOULDN'T work on Mad Men.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 03:42 PM (sJTmU)

29 "The Body" is a great short story; King does short stories very well. Some of his novels stand out - not so much The Stand which is just kind of a rambling mess! - but Misery and The Shining are pretty tight. I also liked "The Long Walk" - another short story from Different Seasons. Heard they were making a film of that too?

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 30, 2011 03:43 PM (SB0V2)

30 Speaking of Buffy and Mad Men (which only I was!) - did anyone see the Psych Halloween eppie? was pretty awesome!

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 30, 2011 03:44 PM (SB0V2)

31 Wasn't The Running Man a King short story too?

Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 03:44 PM (Gk3SS)

32 Yes The Running Man was.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 30, 2011 03:44 PM (SB0V2)

33 I liked The Stand, but I liked the idea behind The Stand a bit more than the book itself. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 30, 2011 03:44 PM (Jy79E)

34 Morena Baccarin is in Homeland!I did not know this.

Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2011 03:45 PM (fyOgS)

35 Nice pic of the OWS chick there

Posted by: MunDane at October 30, 2011 03:45 PM (C5NLv)

36 I liked The Shining, the book.  I thought Kubrick took too many liberties with the story in the movie version--a little too much director's license.  And he cast that worthless, annoying kid actor.  So I never liked the movie.  But the book scared the crap out of me.

So, what's good about The Stand?

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 03:46 PM (RqTI6)

37 ......but I liked the idea behind The Stand a bit more than the book itself. 

Posted by: Kratos

You may recall that idea from that quaint book called "The Bible", but I could be mistaken. 

"Lucifer's Hammer" is a much better book than "The Stand" becaue Pournelle and Niven can actually think and write.

 

 

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 03:47 PM (sJTmU)

38 Claire Danes was hotter as a redhead.So was Laura Prepon.Why girls???

Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2011 03:47 PM (fyOgS)

39 Ah, the Running Man movie - epic Arnold '80s awesomeness.   Should have been called "The Punning Man".

Also had her - María Conchita Alonso and she hates Chavez,

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 30, 2011 03:47 PM (Jy79E)

40 Speaking of the, "The Stand" and medical help in dire scenarios there's a scene where Stuart Redmon and his group of survivors, en route to Nebraska to see Mother Abigail. They have a member fall ill with appendicitis. With no doctors around, they decide to operate on the guy in hopes they might get lucky.

It does not go well.

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 03:47 PM (B0LGd)

41 The beginning of The Stand is very good. It's good about 60 percent thru . . . then King sort of starts to lose his way with the ending, which often happens to him. he obviously knew how it was going to end, he had that little index card at the ready! but getting there seemed to elude him. Kind of rambled away in the second half. Like "IT" oh and the one he did with Peter Straub too.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 30, 2011 03:48 PM (SB0V2)

42

They pretty much have to have a metric buttload of zombies right off the bat, seeing as they left it last week holed up behind a rapidly loosening screen door.

I'm guessing this one starts with a bang.  I wonder if they'll end up leading some walkers back to the house after they get out of the school.  And what about the group left back with the RV?

These questions and more will be ignored for bitchy office-girl jealousy...

Posted by: Francis Urquhart at October 30, 2011 03:49 PM (B29JY)

43

Well, its a bit more believable than an actual MD. What I find humorous is that some folks balk at issues like that but have no problem with the idea of people coming back to life and eating human flesh.

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 08:41 PM (B0LGd)

Its the whole suspension of disbelief issue.  You can suspend it for some major stuff and be willing to accept some really out there premise, but if the little details come along and they just scream "wrong!" it can be a big issue. 

Like in Transformers 2, I can accept giant alien robots that can turn into earth based vehicles.  But I'm really annoyed by them walking out of the Smithsonian in Washington D.C. to an airplane graveyard and mountains in the distance.

Posted by: buzzion at October 30, 2011 03:49 PM (GULKT)

44 Dear MSM, FYNQ! HB

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 30, 2011 03:50 PM (lPKnK)

45
I also liked "The Long Walk" - another short story from Different Seasons. Heard they were making a film of that too?

I think that's from a different book..

Stand By Me, Shawshank Redemption and Apt Pupil were all made into movies..

The last one was the winter's story.. The Breathing Method IIRC. 

But yes, his short stories are usually much better than his horror..

And even his non-horror are better than his horror I thought..

I burned out on him from 'The Dark Tower' series..   Injecting himself into the story and then making it bend into the rest of his stories kinda ruined it for me.

Posted by: Dave C at October 30, 2011 03:50 PM (WQLLr)

46 #41 Stephen King doesn't "do" endings.  He just wants to keep going.  That's why my favorite book of his is Needful Things.  He really had to end it, so he set up all the strings and neatly tied them together at the end.  Refreshing for him.

Posted by: Francis Urquhart at October 30, 2011 03:51 PM (B29JY)

47 I stopped reading King after Pet Semetary.
Disgusted me and pissed me off at the same time.

I prefer Dean Koontz.


Posted by: Retired Geezer at October 30, 2011 03:52 PM (KNFtR)

48 During WW2 several Pharmacist mates succesfully performed apendectomy's aboard submarines.

Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2011 03:52 PM (fyOgS)

49 oh and the one he did with Peter Straub too.

Posted by: BlackOrchid at October 30, 2011 08:48 PM (SB0V2)

The Talisman, right?  I read that one long ago, is it worth rereading, as the details elude me?

Posted by: Red Shirt at October 30, 2011 03:53 PM (FIDMq)

50 The funny thing is that I tend to like King's books/short stories better than the movies. The exception being, "The Shining" by Kubrick.

One of the devices Stephen King beats the shit out of is the psychic wunderkind. It solves a lot of problems in moving your characters along when they can just know something. But that device gets old real quick after the 400th novel.

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 03:53 PM (B0LGd)

51 My Stephen King pet peeve is that the big reveal is usually that the bad guys are fucking SPACE ALIENS.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 30, 2011 03:56 PM (nyKxa)

52 "Well, its a bit more believable than an actual MD. What I find humorous is that some folks balk at issues like that but have no problem with the idea of people coming back to life and eating human flesh."

It's got nothing to do with believability. It's using a hackneyed, cliched gag.

Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 30, 2011 03:56 PM (M+lbD)

53 Posted by: Francis Urquhart at October 30, 2011 08:51 PM (B29JY)

Yeah, an ex-girlfriend and I argued about the ending of, "IT" on a number of occasions. I'd say, "Hey, Lovecratian horror!" She'd retort, "Big fucking spider!"

It ended badly but she had a body that could make a bishop kick out a stained glass window, though.

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 03:56 PM (B0LGd)

54 Steevy, Morena is naked in Homeland.

Posted by: vika at October 30, 2011 03:56 PM (gvlTU)

55 God damn I frickin HATE ZOMBIES! Dredges of society!

Posted by: Jimmah at October 30, 2011 03:56 PM (dW0Dp)

56 I want someone to make a movie out of Footfall.

Posted by: toby928 at October 30, 2011 03:57 PM (GTbGH)

57 34 Morena Baccarin is in Homeland!I did not know this.

Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2011 08:45 PM (fyOgS

What channel is that on?

Posted by: buzzion at October 30, 2011 03:57 PM (GULKT)

58 17 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2011 08:29 PM (fyOgS)

===

fuck the corporate media.

Posted by: jc at October 30, 2011 03:58 PM (ufJKx)

59 Fuck The Walking Dead.

American Horror Story
is where it's at.




Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 30, 2011 03:59 PM (M+lbD)

60 The Iggles are running all over the Cowboys.

Posted by: toby928 at October 30, 2011 03:59 PM (GTbGH)

61 I kinda like zombies as an afternoon snack ...

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 30, 2011 03:59 PM (lPKnK)

62 I kinda like zombies as an afternoon snack ... Posted by: Honey Badger

If they bite you, do you just take a nap?

Posted by: toby928 at October 30, 2011 04:00 PM (GTbGH)

63 @26    Well, its a bit more believable than an actual MD. What I find humorous is that some folks balk at issues like that but have no problem with the idea of people coming back to life and eating human flesh.

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 08:41 PM (B0LGd)

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Zombies are a metaphor for communism / liberalism / socialism

Every time you think you have it dead & buried, it comes back as another group of unthinking, resource killing evil that tries to kill everything that is good and living


Posted by: Mark E at October 30, 2011 04:01 PM (h6cI2)

64 54 Shit,I missed that.I don't watch the show.

Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2011 04:01 PM (fyOgS)

65 44 Dear MSM, Corporate Media

FYNQ!

HB

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 30, 2011 08:50 PM (lPKnK)

====

Help me out, I'm on a mission here.

Posted by: jc at October 30, 2011 04:01 PM (ufJKx)

66 I just finished watching Grimm and Once on Hulu.  Pleasantly surprised.  Well done, not your kid's fairytale.

Posted by: mpfs at October 30, 2011 04:02 PM (3TjSM)

67

If you wonder where King got his idea for "The Stand", you should read "Earth Abides"  by George Stewart, published in......1949.  I think before King was born.

"Earth Abides" is a good story about, get this, a disease wiping out most of the human population on Earth, with only a few scattered survivors trying to rebuild society.  This premise sounds mysteriously familiar, doesn't it?

A pretty good story with a good moral undertone. I would encourage my kids to read it, which I wouldn't do with most of King's stuff.  My brother in law has read most of what King has written, so good for him and his fans.  I just find it very unappealing.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 04:02 PM (sJTmU)

68 Fuck it, I'm supporting any Republican over scoamf, because then at least the stock market will come back. 


Then I'll cash out.

Posted by: jeanne! with two N's and an E at October 30, 2011 04:02 PM (iFyBS)

69 Somebody hasn't been flossing...

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 30, 2011 04:04 PM (niZvt)

70 60 The Iggles are running all over the Cowboys.

And supposedly the Cowboys had the league's #1 run defense before tonight.  It takes a 2-4 team to show them wrong,

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 30, 2011 04:04 PM (Jy79E)

71 We are zombie obsessed because we are not allowed to speak (and act) openly about our enemies. PC kills.

Posted by: vika at October 30, 2011 04:04 PM (gvlTU)

72 62 ... a nap and a dump ... Kinda like after listening to Obama ...

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 30, 2011 04:05 PM (lPKnK)

73 68 Fuck it, I'm supporting any Republican over scoamf, because then at least the stock market will come back. 

Then I'll cash out.

Posted by: jeanne! with two N's and an E at October 30, 2011 09:02 PM (iFyBS)

=========

and because any ________ is better than that Walking Colostomy Bag.

Posted by: jc at October 30, 2011 04:05 PM (ufJKx)

74 69 Somebody hasn't been flossing...

and a little moisturizer goes a long way zombie ladies.

Posted by: mpfs at October 30, 2011 04:05 PM (3TjSM)

75 Did we ever figure out what happened to the little girl? The one they went looking for a couple of episodes back?

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 04:05 PM (RqTI6)

76 I'm with Retired Geezer. Watchers is one of my favorite books and I prefer Koontz to King.

Posted by: osoloco at October 30, 2011 04:05 PM (FRZGg)

77 And the Eagles just get it back. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 30, 2011 04:06 PM (Jy79E)

78

I stopped watching that show the first season. Is it still all tardasill'ed up?

God damn you Rick Perry! Look what you done!

Posted by: Entropy at October 30, 2011 04:06 PM (MGZjj)

79 I just finished watching Grimm and Once on Hulu.

Hurray, someone else who liked Grimm! 

Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 04:06 PM (Gk3SS)

80 They're still looking for her at the start of tonight's episode.

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 04:06 PM (B0LGd)

81 I want someone to make a movie out of Footfall.

Posted by: toby928©

I agree 101%.  As Pournelle said afterward, it was meant to be an advocacy for SDI. Which is probably why no self-respecting left wing movie maker would touch it, unless they could dramatically twist the story and invert the moral message - like "Starship Troopers".  What a depressing mess that was. 

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 04:07 PM (sJTmU)

82 51
My Stephen King pet peeve is that the big reveal is usually that the bad guys are fucking SPACE ALIENS.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at October 30, 2011 08:56 PM (nyKxa)

Me too!

Posted by: George Lucas assraping Indiana Jones at October 30, 2011 04:07 PM (73tyQ)

83 14 OT: But oh dear. Looks like Herb Cain is about to get the Clarence Thomas treatment.

Sigh.

(link to Politico btw)

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 30, 2011 08:28 PM (Uje4Y)

Ya know it's weird.  I saw Cain in an interview (on Fox, of course) maybe a week or so ago, and he said people were going to come after him and try to dig up stuff from his personal life; if they can't get him on his policies they'll try to dig up other stuff.

I thought that was a strange remark at the time:  Huh?  How can people dig up stuff if there's no stuff to dig up?  Hmmmmmm ...

Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak devoted Perrywinkle at October 30, 2011 04:07 PM (8DdAv)

84

proud donky is here?

cool, watch this, bringing the hate...

Posted by: jake at October 30, 2011 04:08 PM (xVD8P)

85 It's on ShowTime, Homeland, that is.

Posted by: ian cormac at October 30, 2011 04:08 PM (JU0xh)

86


Hurray, someone else who liked Grimm!

Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 09:06 PM (Gk3SS)

I haven't bothered with Grimm.  Is it a Mutant Enemy production because they say the creators of Buffy and Angel in the promos.  And really it sounds just so much similar to what Supernatural is.

Posted by: buzzion at October 30, 2011 04:08 PM (GULKT)

87

I've lost interest in The Walking Dead.  Too much angst and not enough zombie blasting.  Yes, I know that life after such an apocalyptic event would be "teh suck", but Jeebus, do I need to listen to these dimwits expound on their feelings? 

I don't want to watch a soap opera with the occasional zombie cameo appearance.  Additionally, I don't sympathize with any of the adult characters and I started rooting for the zombies by the end of the first season.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at October 30, 2011 04:08 PM (M0NzJ)

88 You could be Jesus Christ and the media would still find makeup shit about you.


Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 04:09 PM (B0LGd)

89 I want to smother the whining, crying bald mother of the missing little girl.  Am I a bad person?

Posted by: mpfs at October 30, 2011 04:09 PM (3TjSM)

90

Zombies are a metaphor for communism / liberalism / socialism

Every time you think you have it dead & buried, it comes back as another group of unthinking, resource killing evil that tries to kill everything that is good and living

They have no memory of the past or of prior failures.

But if #OWS has taught me one thing, it's that the Zombie Apocalypse will have rape.  Lots and lots of rape.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 30, 2011 04:09 PM (73tyQ)

91 I want to smother the whining, crying bald mother of the missing little girl.

hater.

Posted by: toby928 at October 30, 2011 04:10 PM (GTbGH)

92 Something Wicked This Way Comes.  Oh yes.

Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak devoted Perrywinkle at October 30, 2011 04:10 PM (8DdAv)

93

I thought that was a strange remark at the time:  Huh?  How can people dig up stuff if there's no stuff to dig up?  Hmmmmmm ...

Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak devoted Perrywinkle

Which, of course, is totally different than sleeping through 20 years of Sunday Sermons at Jeremiah Wright's Church.

ZZZzzzzzzzz....huh? what?

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 04:10 PM (sJTmU)

94 88 You could be Jesus Christ and the media would still find makeup shit about you.


Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 09:09 PM (B0LGd)

I think I should sit, not get some work done, and write a hit piece on Jesus Christ in the style of Politico under the assumption that he's a GOP candidate for president.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 30, 2011 04:11 PM (73tyQ)

95 79 I just finished watching Grimm and Once on Hulu.

Hurray, someone else who liked Grimm! 
Posted by: alexthechick

I found it a fascinating twist on the stories.  They were never meant to be stories for little children either. Gruesome stuff the original works. You are my soul mate alexthechick.

Posted by: mpfs at October 30, 2011 04:12 PM (3TjSM)

96 people were going to come after him and try to dig up stuff from his personal life

Not sure how much he can deny considering the women were apparently paid out. But we shall see.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at October 30, 2011 04:12 PM (Uje4Y)

97 I don't want to sound like I'm picking a fight, but . . .

I am getting fucking tired of zombies.

As monsters, they're kind of boring. They shamble. They bite. They swarm. They're all rotting and icky. I know I've ragged on sparkly vampires, but at least a vampire can be a character. Zombies are automata. They could be replaced by a swarm of army ants, or a fire, and the story would be unchanged.

And on the metaphorical, symbolic level, they're awful. Zombies look just like people. Any story about zombies (except, importantly, the original slave fear of becoming one) is a story about killing people. Zombie movies are fantasies of slaughter. And it's no surprise that moviemakers use zombies to represent people they dislike. Who do they pick? Ordinary people. "Consumers."

Us.

Every single movie zombie I've ever seen has been white. They're a Hollywood liberal's nightmare of middle America, and so their heroes get to kill zombies by the hundreds.

So as of now, I'm officially sick of zombies. I want movie monsters who don't feed someone's fantasy of gunning me down.

Posted by: Trimegistus at October 30, 2011 04:12 PM (tqUbZ)

98 92

I thought that was a strange remark at the time:  Huh?  How can people dig up stuff if there's no stuff to dig up?  Hmmmmmm ...

Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak devoted Perrywinkle

Which, of course, is totally different than sleeping through 20 years of Sunday Sermons at Jeremiah Wright's Church.

ZZZzzzzzzzz....huh? what?

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 09:10 PM (sJTmU)

Politico can't report on shit like that.  It's beyond their narrative. 

Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak devoted Perrywinkle at October 30, 2011 04:12 PM (8DdAv)

99 "I want to smother the whining, crying bald mother of the missing little girl.  Am I a bad person?"

No, a bad person would want to hit her in the face with a shovel. Like me.


Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 30, 2011 04:12 PM (M+lbD)

100

"Time for your weekly 50 minutes of hate."

50 years of hate = Obama's life.

Posted by: Deep Beam at October 30, 2011 04:12 PM (pNAwW)

101 I'm supporting any Republican over scoamf, because then at least the stock market will come back.

If you wait until the election is over, you'll miss most of the runup.  I'm all in now and won't get back out until the latesters get in after the election.

Posted by: pep at October 30, 2011 04:12 PM (6TB1Z)

102 Posted by: The Ghost of Kim Novak devoted Perrywinkle at October 30, 2011 09:10 PM (8DdAv)

===

Ray Bradbury is one of my favorite authors. I really liked "The Ray Bradbury Theater" which aired on HBO, back in the day.

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 04:13 PM (B0LGd)

103 99 "I want to smother the whining, crying bald mother of the missing little girl.  Am I a bad person?"

No, a bad person would want to hit her in the face with a shovel. Like me.


Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto

Touché.

Posted by: mpfs at October 30, 2011 04:14 PM (3TjSM)

104  You could be Jesus Christ and the media would still find makeup shit about you.

Posted by: Baroque

Well YEAH! They DID do that! Make up stuff about Jesus to justify the crucifixion, that is.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 04:14 PM (sJTmU)

105 Zombie movies are fantasies of slaughter. And it's no surprise that moviemakers use zombies to represent people they dislike. Who do they pick? Ordinary people. "Consumers."

Us.

Interesting take.  But zombies are interesting in the way the Borg was interesting.  It's a force of nature comin' to getcha.  There is the moral question of what constitutes a person and what constitutes a hollow shell that used to inhabit a person.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 30, 2011 04:15 PM (73tyQ)

106 Zombie Dr. Kevorkian, head writer.

Posted by: derit at October 30, 2011 04:15 PM (FQlFL)

107 Posted by: Trimegistus at October 30, 2011 09:12 PM (tqUbZ)

===

Here, have a copy of "Listening to Prozac".

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 04:16 PM (B0LGd)

108 Caption contest?

"If you'd only passed Obama's jobs bill, I wouldn't be a zombie"

Posted by: chemjeff at October 30, 2011 04:16 PM (s7mIC)

109 Dear Lord, the Cowboys are really stinkin' up the place.

Somebody put in a Benny Hill soundtrack for the background. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 30, 2011 04:16 PM (Jy79E)

110 Zombies are the Blob+, tri. The plus being you could turn into one and eat your mommy, best friend, etc. I hate the women on this show. Eat them, please.

Posted by: vika at October 30, 2011 04:17 PM (gvlTU)

111 Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 09:14 PM (sJTmU)

===

Trudat.

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 04:17 PM (B0LGd)

112 110

+100

Posted by: mpfs at October 30, 2011 04:17 PM (3TjSM)

113 60 The Iggles are running all over the Cowboys.

Everything is going according to plan..

Posted by: real joe, Giants fan at October 30, 2011 04:18 PM (w7Lv+)

114  "I want to smother the whining, crying bald mother of the missing little girl.  Am I a bad person?"

No, a bad person would want to hit her in the face with a shovel. Like me.


Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto

Touché.

Posted by: mpfs at October 30, 2011 09:14 PM (3TjSM)

I believe that booster seat is mine.......

Posted by: Dr Amy 'Fucking' Bishop at October 30, 2011 04:18 PM (jucos)

115 Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 09:06 PM (Gk3SS)
Will watch Grimm again.
Won't watch Once again (even though Emma is hawt).

Posted by: Hrothgar at October 30, 2011 04:18 PM (i3+c5)

116 The one and only Zombie show/movie I liked ... Zombieland

Posted by: Honey Badger at October 30, 2011 04:18 PM (lPKnK)

117 I think having the zombies twinkle is... Oddly appropriate.

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 30, 2011 04:19 PM (niZvt)

118 @95 79 I just finished watching Grimm and Once on Hulu.

Hurray, someone else who liked Grimm! 
Posted by: alexthechick

I found it a fascinating twist on the stories.  They were never meant to be stories for little children either. Gruesome stuff the original works. You are my soul mate alexthechick.

Posted by: mpfs at October 30, 2011 09:12 PM (3TjSM)

-----

Word that.

Your should read some of the background information at the Bruders Grimm Haus in Steinau an der Strasse.

Posted by: Mark E at October 30, 2011 04:19 PM (h6cI2)

119 I like Clive Barker, he always has lots of sex in his books

Posted by: Ma Bell at October 30, 2011 04:19 PM (kzFnw)

120 Great...The "Lets let the kid die cuz the world is a bad place." discussion.  Why do I do this to myself?

Posted by: garfish at October 30, 2011 04:19 PM (h6jtj)

121 And really it sounds just so much similar to what Supernatural is.

Yes and no. It's more about someone finding out he's a hunter and then finding out there's this whole other world with it's own culture and rules out there.  There's a great bit where the one werewolf tells Our Hero that he heard stories about the Grimms when little so Our Hero is his boogieman.  It's got a bit of a lighter tone to it as well.  Also they're doing the Sarah Connor thing where what gets the current hunter, who is his aunt, is cancer, not the Big Bad.  I like that twist to it. 

You are my soul mate alexthechick.

Oh, I should be so lucky. 

Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 04:20 PM (Gk3SS)

122 This just in from the MFM- Herman Cain likes pussies. Maybe he likes us then

Posted by: the Miami Dolphins at October 30, 2011 04:21 PM (le5qc)

123
"There is the moral question of what constitutes a person and what constitutes a hollow shell that used to inhabit a person."

Which was elegantly summarized in this exchange between Malcolm Reynolds and the government assassin in Serenity, as the Reiver/Alliance battle was happening:

"There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now. "

"You have no idea how true that is."






Posted by: Taro Tsujimoto at October 30, 2011 04:21 PM (M+lbD)

124 I like Clive Barker, he always has lots of sex in his books

Posted by: Ma Bell

Ewww. Does that make the pages stick together? 

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 04:21 PM (sJTmU)

Posted by: Mark E at October 30, 2011 04:21 PM (h6cI2)

126 The original Little Red Cap.

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 04:22 PM (B0LGd)

127 Who's that in the pic? Diehard Palin supporter? *Ducks and runs*

Posted by: CoolCzech at October 30, 2011 04:22 PM (niZvt)

128
That is useful information and its quite easy to come a croper if you are not vigilant.

Posted by: Built for Adventure ePub at October 30, 2011 04:22 PM (QPV0F)

129

Earth Abides" is a good story about, get this, a disease wiping out most of the human population on Earth, with only a few scattered survivors trying to rebuild society.  This premise sounds mysteriously familiar, doesn't it?

Yevgeny Zamyatin's We was written in 1921. It is told from the perspective of a diary that was written by the protagonist, D-503, who is a member of tyranous collectivist future society called Onestate. He is introduced to an impulsive woman who leads him to becoming involved in a rebellion against the State. The rebellion is quashed and the main character, as well as the woman, are forced to have an operation similar to lobotomy to make them compliant to the State, and find they no longer hold any empathy or affection for one another afterward, they seek only to obey.

One of the themes is that despite man's natural tendencies, nature if you will, toward rebelliousness, that Science would eventually progress to a point where it could be controlled for, and erradicated.

Ever read George Orwell's Ninteen Eighty-Four, published in 1949?

Premises get re-used all the time. A work can be derivative without being a rip-off. 1984 and We both have basically the exact same plot, but read them and you will find two very different books with very different points of focus.

Posted by: Entropy at October 30, 2011 04:22 PM (MGZjj)

130 The little bastards in NYC are begging again via chat. Their live feed is down.

BuffaloBob: !!▼▼URGENT►!! WINTER NEEDS of NYC!!☻►LIST of Items▼▼SHIPPING ADDRESS HERE!!▼▼THANK YOU!!☼☻► http://occupywallst.org/donate/
ping_t: Oh Yes!

How much money is it that they've raised again?

Posted by: As If! is now What Now?! at October 30, 2011 04:23 PM (piMMO)

131

Since this thread has gone mildly OT in discussing good "end-of-the-world" books, I'd like to recommend a book from the 1950's.  The book is Alas, Babylon and it's a study of the inhabitants of a little town in Florida that survive a nuclear war. 

The main protagonist is a former Army officer (a veteran of the Korean War) and he has to help his family and neighbors survive.  The book is well done and the characters act as you expect people trying to survive.  There are some bad guys, too.

 

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at October 30, 2011 04:24 PM (M0NzJ)

132 I liked, "The Hellbound Heart" by Barker which was the basis for the film, "Hellraiser". Met him at a comic book convention in Tennessee back in the 1990's. He was super nice and scarily smart.

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 04:24 PM (B0LGd)

133 I also watched episodes 2 & 3 of American Horror story.  It's picking up the pace and now I am intrigued.

Posted by: mpfs at October 30, 2011 04:24 PM (3TjSM)

134 This episode is dark and I am poorly sighted. It's not making things any better. I want to see zombie makeup. Oh, maybe that's why it's dark.

Posted by: vika at October 30, 2011 04:25 PM (gvlTU)

135 130 The little bastards in NYC are begging again via chat. Their live feed is down.

BuffaloBob: !!▼▼URGENT►!! WINTER NEEDS of NYC!!☻►LIST of Items▼▼SHIPPING ADDRESS HERE!!▼▼THANK YOU!!☼☻► http://occupywallst.org/donate/
ping_t: Oh Yes!

How much money is it that they've raised again?

Posted by: As If! is now What Now?! at October 30, 2011 09:23 PM (piMMO)

You know, self-immolation would solve two problems for them: (1) warmth, (2) shows the seriousness of their cause.

Posted by: AmishDude at October 30, 2011 04:25 PM (73tyQ)

136 For them to do a series like this, the audience has to care about the characters.  The only characters I like are the fat guy with the weird eyes and the old master of the RV.

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 04:25 PM (RqTI6)

137 132 I liked, "The Hellbound Heart" by Barker which was the basis for the film, "Hellraiser". Met him at a comic book convention in Tennessee back in the 1990's. He was super nice and scarily smart.

We will tear your soul apart! 

Posted by: Pinhead at October 30, 2011 04:25 PM (Jy79E)

138 I can't watch this shit anymore.

Posted by: mpfs at October 30, 2011 04:25 PM (3TjSM)

139 I also watched episodes 2 & 3 of American Horror story.  It's picking up the pace and now I am intrigued.

Was Dylan naked again?  See how I focus like a laser on the important questions.


Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 04:28 PM (Gk3SS)

140 This is supposed to be their Valley Forge moment. Washington didn't have generators, LL Bean sleeping bags and spaghetti bolognese.

Tough it out, cupcakes.

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 04:28 PM (B0LGd)

141 35 Nice pic of the OWS chick there
_________

Meh. Sharp elbows.

Posted by: Anachronda at October 30, 2011 04:29 PM (6fER6)

142

Yes, I've got a copy of "We" around here somewhere. The book "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" by Philip Dick is actually somewhat reminiscent of certain parts of that book, as the renegade "andies" were supposed to be bereft of human compasssion, but were also tools of the State. Philip Dick did that frequently, twisting around accepted premises (like "The Man in the High Castle", f'rinstance).

The differences all around are that Orwell and Dick could think and write, and King just copies and scribbles.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 04:29 PM (sJTmU)

143 88 You could be Jesus Christ and the media would still find makeup shit about you.
Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 09:09 PM (B0LGd)

=======
they still do.  Fuck the corporate media.

Posted by: jc at October 30, 2011 04:30 PM (ufJKx)

144 The horror ... the horror

Posted by: toby928 weeping Dallas fan at October 30, 2011 04:30 PM (GTbGH)

145 Zombies are the new emperor's new clothes. You can tell who is honest and who is a hipster poser by how cool they think zombies are.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at October 30, 2011 04:30 PM (r4wIV)

146 I have a feeling that Dexter's sister is going to hook up with the new black detective.

Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2011 04:31 PM (fyOgS)

147 Weekend At Bernies is a better zombie show than Walking Dead.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at October 30, 2011 04:32 PM (IqM9e)

148 The Cowboys are playing like zombies.

Posted by: toby928 weeping Dallas fan at October 30, 2011 04:33 PM (GTbGH)

149 139
No but the history of the house comes into play and much mayhem and murder occurs.

Posted by: mpfs at October 30, 2011 04:33 PM (3TjSM)

150 The Cowboys are playing like zombies.

Is Romo crying yet?

Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 04:33 PM (Gk3SS)

151

You know, self-immolation would solve two problems for them: (1) warmth, (2) shows the seriousness of their cause.

Posted by: AmishDude

Nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to make sure.

Posted by: Corporal Hicks at October 30, 2011 04:33 PM (sJTmU)

152 I'm starting the DVR'd episode now. So how shitty is it?

Posted by: weew at October 30, 2011 04:34 PM (7RbIF)

153 Is Romo crying yet?

It's more the non-defense.  The dogkiller is making them look like fools.

grrr.

Posted by: toby928 weeping Dallas fan at October 30, 2011 04:34 PM (GTbGH)

154 Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 09:29 PM (sJTmU)

PKD is probably my favorite science fiction author. The biographies of his life make for just as interesting reading.

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 04:35 PM (B0LGd)

155 Dang, Michael Vick remembered that he has a decent TE to throw to. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at October 30, 2011 04:35 PM (Jy79E)

156 I hate both the Eagles and the Cowboys.  After today I hate the Redskins too.  This NFL season is teh suck.  The only thing that keeps me plugged in is my gambling on every game.

Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at October 30, 2011 04:35 PM (jucos)

157 This game is lost and it's not even half-time/

Posted by: toby928 weeping Dallas fan at October 30, 2011 04:35 PM (GTbGH)

158 They should do a spinoff series about an alternate dimension where the old RV guy is forever fixing the RV, trying to make it down the road of life as he encounters different interesting characters.  Call it: "Sympathetic RV-Man."

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 04:35 PM (RqTI6)

159 Thanks for sharing, please keep an update about this info. love to read it more. i like this site too much.

Posted by: Crossed Matched iBooks at October 30, 2011 04:35 PM (ymEDX)

160 No but the history of the house comes into play and much mayhem and murder occurs.

Ohhhh the good stuff.

You know, I'm starting to think Immortals might not totally suck. 

Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 04:35 PM (Gk3SS)

161 Posted by: Corporal Hicks at October 30, 2011 09:33 PM (sJTmU)

That's my line you fucking asshole.

Posted by: Ellen Ripley at October 30, 2011 04:36 PM (zaVyn)

162

97I don't want to sound like I'm picking a fight, but . . .

I am getting fucking tired of zombies.

As monsters, they're kind of boring. They shamble. They bite. They swarm. They're all rotting and icky. I know I've ragged on sparkly vampires, but at least a vampire can be a character. Zombies are automata. They could be replaced by a swarm of army ants, or a fire, and the story would be unchanged.

And on the metaphorical, symbolic level, they're awful. Zombies look just like people. Any story about zombies (except, importantly, the original slave fear of becoming one) is a story about killing people. Zombie movies are fantasies of slaughter. And it's no surprise that moviemakers use zombies to represent people they dislike. Who do they pick? Ordinary people. "Consumers."

Us.

Every single movie zombie I've ever seen has been white. They're a Hollywood liberal's nightmare of middle America, and so their heroes get to kill zombies by the hundreds.

So as of now, I'm officially sick of zombies. I want movie monsters who don't feed someone's fantasy of gunning me down.
---

Preaching to the chior here. Its been suggested that they shower very infrequently. Never have anything usefull to say, whatsoever. Their grammar totally sucks, especially that online chat shorthand shit. Every waking moment is occupied with finding a handout by milling around town. I could go on, but I concur with your sentiment.  

Posted by: Jimmah at October 30, 2011 04:36 PM (dW0Dp)

163 Asian guy's gonna get some afternoon-of-humanity delight!

Posted by: derit at October 30, 2011 04:37 PM (FQlFL)

164 When are they going to start bumping into celebrity zombies? "OMG! Little Janie just got eaten by Christina Hendricks!"

Posted by: vika at October 30, 2011 04:37 PM (gvlTU)

165 I hate both the Eagles and the Cowboys.  After today I hate the Redskins too.  This NFL season is teh suck. 

You picked the Cowboys too? 

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 04:37 PM (RqTI6)

166 This episode reminds me of how much I miss deer hunting.

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 04:38 PM (B0LGd)

167 You picked the Cowboys too? 

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 09:37 PM (RqTI6)

Let me check......... Nope.  Iggles.  I am too far behind to come back at this point.

Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at October 30, 2011 04:40 PM (jucos)

168
That is useful information and its quite easy to come a croper if you are not vigilant.

Posted by: A Thousand Lives AudioBook at October 30, 2011 04:41 PM (X7EjA)

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 04:42 PM (RqTI6)

170 The Walking Dead

Is that a snark about the Cowboys tonight?

Posted by: kbdabear at October 30, 2011 04:42 PM (Y+DPZ)

171 comment #131 nailed what I was about to say...Alas, Babylon still holds up. I may just reread it this week...... Jasonj

Posted by: jasonj at October 30, 2011 04:43 PM (rlvr/)

172

holy fucking shit is this awful.

There was a 4 minute porch scene that made me want to shoot myself.

 

I can't believe how bad this show has gotten. We're three episodes into the season and nothing has happened. Sure people have been shot and stuff, but they are still sitting in the same spot on the highway.

Nothing has been accomplished. Nothing.

How did it get this bad and what the fuck is the deal with a talk show after the episode? With  John Heder?

What. The. Fuck.

Posted by: Ben at October 30, 2011 04:43 PM (UvdzB)

173 Dallas holding Philly to a FG is a victory of sorts tonight.

Posted by: toby928 weeping Dallas fan at October 30, 2011 04:43 PM (GTbGH)

174

I also watched episodes 2 & 3 of American Horror story.  It's picking up the pace and now I am intrigued.

OMG- I am hooked on that show.  It is totally bizarre.  What the hell did that nurse see that made her pass out?  They didn't explain it at all.  Didn't the man in the black shiny leather have sex with the wife?  Or did I dream that?

Posted by: jewells45, tea party terrorist at October 30, 2011 04:43 PM (Z71Vg)

175 Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 09:29 PM (sJTmU)

Who is that snaggle toothed lady, Smithers? I like the cut of her jib.

Posted by: CM Burns at October 30, 2011 04:44 PM (B0LGd)

176

Racism is a semantic bludgeon used by the Left to achieve control of the social debate.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 08:21 PM

We're All Racists Now!

Posted by: Time Magazine after Obama loses at October 30, 2011 04:45 PM (Y+DPZ)

177 Ben, I think the writers have assumed the audience cares about the characters by this point, so they felt they could spend some time developing them some more.

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 04:45 PM (RqTI6)

178 169 Did you guys see this actress from The Walking Dead during a free moment on the set?

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 09:42 PM (RqTI6)

I think I saw them at the Walmart today. 

Posted by: Osama bin Truck Monkey, TEArrorist Son of a Bitch at October 30, 2011 04:45 PM (jucos)

179 172 Yet the critics are orgasmic.

Posted by: steevy at October 30, 2011 04:46 PM (fyOgS)

180 Whatever happened to the guy who cut off his hand on the roof?

Posted by: toby928 weeping Dallas fan at October 30, 2011 04:46 PM (GTbGH)

181 How did it get this bad

From what's been said, AMC got greedy and slashed the effects budget and wanted more talky scenes and whatnot.  Darabont got fired by AMC in a truly nasty fashion and he's mentioned that one of the eps that was turned in was so horribly directed that he was trying to edit into something approaching decent shape when he was let go.  I was hoping that what he was saying was (justified) sour grapes but apparently not. 

Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 04:46 PM (Gk3SS)

182 Whatever happened to the guy who cut off his hand on the roof?

Yeah, that guy was interesting.

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 04:47 PM (RqTI6)

183 157 This game is lost and it's not even half-time/

Posted by: toby928© weeping Dallas fan at October 30, 2011 09:35 PM (GTbGH)

We thought the same thing...muhahahaha

Posted by: Red Shirt - Liedowns Fan at October 30, 2011 04:48 PM (FIDMq)

184

Whatever happened to the guy who cut off his hand on the roof?

Or the black guy and his kid? Or what the CDC guy told the main character? Or the mexicans who were taking care of the elderly and toy dogs? Or their plan to go to Fort Benning? Or their fidelity to not firing guns because it could cause other zombies to come.

What the fuck is going on? This is so stupid

Posted by: Ben at October 30, 2011 04:48 PM (UvdzB)

185 Let me state that NBC using the game to hype Brian Williams' new show irks me

Williams is the icon of the arrogant elitist lefty news anchor

Posted by: kbdabear at October 30, 2011 04:48 PM (Y+DPZ)

186

I feel like the show is begrudgingly killing 1 zombie per episode because it feels it is obligated too.

If it wasn't, I think they would completely cut out the entire zombie angle.

Posted by: Ben at October 30, 2011 04:49 PM (UvdzB)

187 Toby, Every time they mention Merle, they're talking about Mr One Hand. Merle is the arrow shooting redneck's brother. He'll be back.

Posted by: vika at October 30, 2011 04:49 PM (gvlTU)

188 RV man!

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 04:49 PM (RqTI6)

189 Williams is the icon of the arrogant elitist lefty news anchor

I like Peter Jennings better since he died.

Posted by: toby928 weeping Dallas fan at October 30, 2011 04:49 PM (GTbGH)

190 I like the vet too.  Maybe the vet can join RV man in the new spinoff series about life on the road.

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 04:50 PM (RqTI6)

191 And when will someone in the tribe tell the Sheriff about his buddy's extra-nookielar activities with his wifey?

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 30, 2011 04:50 PM (4q5tP)

192 What, no RV fixin'?  What's TWD w/o some serious RV fixin'?

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 04:50 PM (RqTI6)

193 He'll be back.

How?  Haven't they been more or less moving randomly since he was ... er .. separated, so to speak?

Posted by: toby928 weeping Dallas fan at October 30, 2011 04:51 PM (GTbGH)

194 All of the characters Ben mentioned will be back. Except possibly the Mexican gang.

Posted by: CM Burns at October 30, 2011 04:51 PM (B0LGd)

195 Just shoot me! This thing is in the freaking tank. "so, do you forgive me?" Who writes this crap? And we need more freaking zombies. Zzzzzzzzzz..........

Posted by: Jprs at October 30, 2011 04:52 PM (DGnMA)

196 Off, greedy old capitalist sock.

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 04:52 PM (B0LGd)

197 Hey.  Think anything will happen next week?

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 04:53 PM (RqTI6)

198 Excellent blog, thanks for the share. I'll be a regular viewer.

Posted by: 100 Unforgettable Dresses ePub at October 30, 2011 04:53 PM (X7EjA)

199

@192

With literally millions of abandoned vehicles parked around them, they stick with the "hanger queen" of an RV.  The characters are stupid and need to be eaten so we can be put out of our misery.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at October 30, 2011 04:54 PM (M0NzJ)

200 The Battling Bitches of Broadway aren't quite up to the cold weather yet;

Snowstorm, Cold Makes Life In Zuccotti Park Difficult For OWS Protesters

Note: I think it takes a bicycle generator 5 hours to charge one 12 volt battery

"But the protesters are coming up with a new solution – a stationary bike and generator connected to a battery.

“We’ve got five bike-powered generator systems that are coming from Boston and we’ve got five more plus other ones that are going to supplement as well so we’re completely, completely off the grid,” said demonstrator Lauren Minis."


Posted by: kbdabear at October 30, 2011 04:55 PM (Y+DPZ)

201

Okay, I said it last week half-heartedly, but I'm really done. This show is a waste of time. I've got a few books on the shelf I've been meaning to get to.

How long is this season? 6 or 12 episodes? Either way, we're a decent way through it and nothing has happened.

Waiting for Godot was more action packed.

Did they just kill off the fat guy and now even fucking show him get killed? A God Damn series about zombies and you don't even show it when a character is eaten alive??

 

AHHHHHHH!!!

Posted by: Ben at October 30, 2011 04:56 PM (UvdzB)

202 They keep mentioning Merle. That means return. Also the actor they hired is not a one off. Same goes for the black guy from Jericho.

Posted by: vika at October 30, 2011 04:56 PM (gvlTU)

203 *not

Posted by: Ben at October 30, 2011 04:56 PM (UvdzB)

204 Now that's better, Shane is a dick!

Posted by: Jprs at October 30, 2011 04:57 PM (DGnMA)

205 shane's redeeming himself in my eyes!

Posted by: derit at October 30, 2011 04:58 PM (FQlFL)

206 Now that's a survival strategy I hadn't considered. Bring a fat friend to sacrifice as a meal to distract the horde from you.

Who says TV don't learn ye nothin'?

Posted by: Baroque at October 30, 2011 04:59 PM (B0LGd)

207

"But the protesters are coming up with a new solution – a stationary bike and generator connected to a battery.

“We’ve got five bike-powered generator systems that are coming from Boston and we’ve got five more plus other ones that are going to supplement as well so we’re completely, completely off the grid,” said demonstrator Lauren Minis."


Now, they just need to round up about a thousand "volunteers" to pedal a 15-min shift once every 24 hours to cover the 10 bike-generators.  It's a collective responsibility.  Just like the laundry.

4 X 24 X 10 = 960

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 30, 2011 05:00 PM (4q5tP)

208 Survival of the fittest and immoral.

Posted by: Jprs at October 30, 2011 05:00 PM (DGnMA)

209 Ok,  I like that plot twist to make me truly dislike Shane.

Posted by: Buddy Bizarre at October 30, 2011 05:01 PM (y+LPw)

210 What would work better is a character or two like Will Smith's character in that Omega Man type movie he was in.  Or Vincent Price's character in that B&W last man in the world movie he did.  Someone who has their shit together, who has at least mastered a little part of that world.  Someone directed, cool, reliable and efficient with nice gadgets and a bit of a plan or a hope for the future... and the apparent means and wherewithal to get there. 

Someone we can root for.  Someone we can care about.

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 05:01 PM (RqTI6)

211 Someone we can root for.  Someone we can care about.

Someone not a neo-Nazi. 

Posted by: alexthechick at October 30, 2011 05:02 PM (Gk3SS)

212 #200 Bike generators (bottle sidewall driven or dynamo hubs) are typically rated at 6 volts and 3 watts or 12 volts and six watts. Good for running lighting or recharging lithium batteries for small devices. Not really the kind of output to run hotplates or anything useful for heating.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at October 30, 2011 05:02 PM (ijjAe)

213 It's good to have an enemy within. Usually. Maybe next week will be better. I like Pruitt Taylor Vince. Oh, well.

Posted by: vika at October 30, 2011 05:03 PM (gvlTU)

214 I'll fix your flat tire, Merle. Ah don't you get yer sweet country-pickin' fingers All covered with erl

Posted by: Pure Prairie League at October 30, 2011 05:05 PM (le5qc)

215 They killed one of the two interesting, likeable characters. 

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 05:06 PM (RqTI6)

216 OK ... I admit I haven't been paying any closer attention than this POS show deserves, but was that the THIRD time I saw the haircutting scene? WTF?

Easily half the running time is upcoming scenes from this episode, followed by opening splash, followed by a recap, commercials, then more recap, and then this episode's gabfest. The end of the show is the same bullshit. I repeat: WTF?

Oh, they're rerunning the episode they just ran. I guess in case you missed any vital office girl bitchiness, I guess. At least, that's what I think they are doing. I don't know anymore.

Either I need sedation, or this show needs to get put down like that terrible Caprica show.

I don't think I need sedation.

Posted by: Josef K. at October 30, 2011 05:07 PM (7+pP9)

217 “We’ve got five bike-powered generator systems that are coming from Boston and we’ve got five more plus other ones that are going to supplement as well so we’re completely, completely off the grid,” said demonstrator Lauren Minis."



Yep off the gird and out of your fucking mind, what a dip-wad!

Hope ya freeze yer asses off ya twerps!

Posted by: Killerdog at October 30, 2011 05:07 PM (CZrbJ)

218 These barbarians want blankets, eh? I'll give them some blankets!

Posted by: Lord Jeffrey Amherst at October 30, 2011 05:09 PM (tqUbZ)

219

testing

Posted by: russ hines at October 30, 2011 05:10 PM (GkHqV)

220 221 They killed one of the two interesting, likeable characters. 
Posted by: rdbrewer

I didn't watch. Lemme guess, they killed the hunter, right? He was an EMT. He was more useful then the rest put together, especially Granpa Mr Goodwrench and his road dinosaur.

Posted by: Blue Hen at October 30, 2011 10:09 PM (c9Ivb)


Of course they killed him. He was a hunter, and fat. He probably voted Republican - hell, he may even have gone tot a TEA party rally. In his pickup truck.

But don't worry - I'm sure they'll talk about him next week. A lot.

Posted by: Josef K. at October 30, 2011 05:13 PM (7+pP9)

221 Noticed Herschal's son was completely absent this week.

Posted by: Tsepes at October 30, 2011 05:14 PM (x/Zpi)

222 #200 Bike generators (bottle sidewall driven or dynamo hubs) are typically rated at 6 volts and 3 watts or 12 volts and six watts. Good for running lighting or recharging lithium batteries for small devices. Not really the kind of output to run hotplates or anything useful for heating.

Posted by: Blue Falcon in Boston training for the ONT mudwrestling match at October 30, 2011 10:02 PM (ijjAe)

In their proposal to the GA on 10/25, Sarah from Sustainability was talking about 600w motors attached to the bikes.  Also they estimated the avg person could bike generate about 80 watts (per hour? /  unclear).

"people will be encouraged to pedal as much as they consume, and lots of people will pick up the slack."

Posted by: Count de Monet at October 30, 2011 05:15 PM (4q5tP)

223 speaking of zombies,check this one out...flies under the rad
ar for some reason..http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0082242/.

Posted by: russ hines at October 30, 2011 05:16 PM (GkHqV)

224

I saw the picture and wondered which Occupy group it was.

 

Posted by: RETIRED MILITARY at October 30, 2011 05:19 PM (kZW4U)

225 All I want to know is: Would the BLOB eat zombies?

Posted by: KellyFromMesquite at October 30, 2011 05:21 PM (aYue1)

226 That settles it. I'm taking this steaming pile of dogshit off of my DVR list.

Posted by: weew at October 30, 2011 05:21 PM (7RbIF)

227 I didn't watch. Lemme guess, they killed the hunter, right?

Ayup.

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 05:24 PM (RqTI6)

228 The Walking Dead is going to the graveyard soon.

Posted by: Ellen Ripley at October 30, 2011 05:24 PM (zaVyn)

229 Damn sock

Posted by: Holger at October 30, 2011 05:25 PM (zaVyn)

230 They still have RV man!

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 05:27 PM (RqTI6)

231 He'll be on top of that RV from now until the end of time.  But at least he's likeable.

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 05:28 PM (RqTI6)

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 05:36 PM (RqTI6)

233 TWD is still good - let's see how it plays out this season before we cast aspersions... The kids and my wife and I watched American Horror Story (first 3 episodes) last night. WOW! Superb twists and turns. Jessica Lange - Emmy fer sure!!!

Posted by: FerdBiffle at October 30, 2011 05:43 PM (Pl7mu)

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 05:50 PM (RqTI6)

235 Here's the problem:  There's a douchebag named Jack Stillerman at AMC who thinks he's responsible for the success of the shows, not the creators.  Besides cutting the budget, he started telling Darabont how to produce the series.

Characteristic Stillerman:  During discussions about the show, he would repeatedly say, "Ratings have no bearing on this conversation."  Brilliant.

Whether implicitly or explicitly, ratings have everything to do with every conversation about a show.

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 06:06 PM (RqTI6)

236 Why is there always a jackass like Stillerman at every studio and network? 

Just a guess, but he's a reincarnation of the guy who ruined Star Trek back in the day at NBC, since they both appear to treat hubris as a substitute for brains.

Reminds me of the king in the movie Amadeus talking to Mozart: "There are simply too many notes, that's all. Just cut a few and it will be perfect."

Suggested new show for AMC:  A show about making TV shows, featuring sympathetic show creators and a narcissistic prick studio/network exec who goes around fucking things up while taking credit for anything good the creators do along the way.

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 06:20 PM (RqTI6)

237 Republicans, why do you hate like you do???

Jesus said to love.

His father (GOD, the old testament) hated, but its the new covenant.

What say you???

Posted by: God I hate Recon at October 30, 2011 06:31 PM (a1DlD)

238 The biggest problem with this show, besides the emotional BS, is that the writers have obviously never been to Georgia.  I spent some time stationed at Fort Benning.  I can tell you that there is no reason whatsoever that the best weapons they can come up with are a couple pistols, a shotgun, and a hunting rifle.  Spending a couple hours checking houses in the country or a small town would arm the whole lot of them with AR/CAR-15s and MAK-90 type weapons and buttloads of ammo.  I mean, come on, they didn't even raid the armory at the CDC in Atlanta or strip the dead soldiers outside of it.  Not only that, but they supposedly searched all the cars in that traffic jam and they didn't come up with any weapons at all?  Even in deep blue gun-hating states like Mass and New York you would find weapons in cars in a traffic jam like that.  I can see how Atlanta became zombie-ville, but in the rest of Georgia, the good old boys would just smile and break open the ammo cans when the zombies showed up.

Posted by: Assassin6 at October 30, 2011 06:46 PM (FfukH)

239 An earlier commenter mentioned this, the new hotness is Homeland.  Why waste time with this nonsense? It focuses on a terror plot, possible sleeper agent, the CIA are the good guys.  Tonight they subjected a suspect with "enhanced interrogation" without any qualms.   Better than this zombie crap.

Posted by: Bob at October 30, 2011 06:50 PM (4DoFz)

240 What I can't understand is why is there no black people (other than one) in this series?  Its ATLANTA.  How is it possible that there are not more black people in this series.  Another thing:  where are all the guns?  Fort Benning is in GA and there are at least 20 security firms with shoot rooms and firing ranges. 

And goddammit why is it we get 5 minutes of zombies and 50 minutes of soap opera?

Posted by: JCELEPHANT at October 30, 2011 06:59 PM (TYm2g)

241 not clear, I meant why waste time with Walking Dead nonsense--Watch Homeland instead is what I meant. Terror plot, sleeper agent, etc.  The Zombie thing is played out.

Posted by: Bob at October 30, 2011 07:00 PM (4DoFz)

242 Rock and roll Zombies will never die.

Posted by: rdbrewer at October 30, 2011 07:07 PM (RqTI6)

243 "The book is Alas, Babylon and it's a study of the inhabitants of a little town in Florida that survive a nuclear war."

Yes.  One of the few books about survival where trying to survive isn't treated as a mortal sin and/or impossible.
That and Lucifer's Hammer.

This is an artifact of the Left's war on the West.  During the Cold War, they kept hammering one theme over and over: that the only hope for mankind was for the US and its allies to unilaterally surrender to the Soviet Union.  They demonized anybody who tried minimize the impact of a nuclear war by building a anti-missile system or a comprehensive Civil Defense system.

And really nothing has changed: replace nuclear war (winter) with global warming and you pretty much have same dynamic.

Posted by: RayJ at October 30, 2011 07:09 PM (LYiL5)

244 Didn't have the channel the first year.

Watched half of the first episode the 2nd year and decided...Meh.

If a zombie apocalypse show puts me to sleep with the talk, talk, talk, there's something wrong.

No interest.

Posted by: Minuteman (aka trainer) until Juggy is Gone at October 30, 2011 07:14 PM (DGxyd)

245 1050 minutes? with this crowd, it's more like 24/7 of hate.

Posted by: proudonkey at October 30, 2011 08:26 PM (NadeK)

 

only for you buttercup...

Posted by: shoey at October 30, 2011 07:46 PM (m6OUa)

246 You guys are still sticking around hoping this show won't suck? I checked out after the spoiled, insipid blonde was given the 20-minute let's-talk-about-when-daddy-used-to-take-us-fishing scene last season.

All I want to know is: Would the BLOB eat zombies?

Posted by: KellyFromMesquite at October 30, 2011 10:21 PM (aYue1)

The Blob is an underrated monster on the horrific scale. A giant amoeba that keeps growing and growing? It's a shame that fuckwit Rob Zombie is doing the latest remake.

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at October 30, 2011 08:03 PM (RN90h)

247 So as of now, I'm officially sick of zombies. I want movie monsters who don't feed someone's fantasy of gunning me down. Posted by: Trimegistus at October 30, 2011 09:12 PM Huh. I'm gonna have to think on that one. No snark. No witty response. Just.... Huh. Thanks, Tri!

Posted by: Deety links to GoatPron at October 30, 2011 08:15 PM (SINNR)

248 *That is useful information and its quite easy to come a croper if you are not vigilant.* Yeah, but how vigilant can any one person be, really? I mean, I'm just as worried as the next bloke about coming up a croper but no matter how "useful" the information is, what do I DO with it? Mostly, I just point and laugh... I dunno, though. Do you have any suggestions for the vigilant to stave off coming up a croper with useful information?

Posted by: Deety links to GoatPron at October 30, 2011 08:37 PM (SINNR)

249 "TWD is still good - let's see how it plays out this season before we cast aspersions..."

No. It sucks. Giant. Balls.

Tonight's episode was the tipping point for me, idiotic people doing idiotic things, LOTS of stupid filler and the "twist" at the end was as predictable as a "choose your own adventure" book.

Posted by: Sgt. York at October 30, 2011 09:15 PM (9AsIi)

250 "Why is there always a jackass like Stillerman at every studio and network? "

Because they are little tyrants who feel the need to make an example of one soldier to keep all the others in line.

You mentioned "Star Trek" as an example. Allow me to add a few more:

Firefly (canceled because of lack of ratings; the show was put in the 8pm Friday slot; a ratings death trap)

Mystery Science Theater 3000 (canceled because then Comedy Central President Doug Herzog "didn't get the show". Sci-Fi picked it up later but the damage had been done)

Max Headroom (ABC Exec "didn't get it" ordered cancellation)

Wonderfalls (WB Exec felt it wouldn't appeal to audiences, despite the fact it had huge ratings and critical raves)

Doctor Doctor (CBS exec believed the show was too "edgy")

Posted by: Sgt. York at October 30, 2011 09:21 PM (9AsIi)

Posted by: andycanuck at October 30, 2011 10:28 PM (OKhgI)

252 131

Since this thread has gone mildly OT in discussing good "end-of-the-world" books, I'd like to recommend a book from the 1950's.  The book is Alas, Babylon and it's a study of the inhabitants of a little town in Florida that survive a nuclear war. 

Pat Frank was a pretty good writer. Pity he died so young. As he mentioned in another book, "If you want to get rich during a disaster, horde smokes & liquor..."

Posted by: backhoe, Hobbit tea-roar-ist of Doom at October 31, 2011 12:45 AM (QROim)

253 Oh so disappointed in last night's episode.  I think it is time to find something else to do on Sunday nights.  Boring, boring, boring.  As for the "surprise" ending...well I certainly believe that Shane is something of a low-down dirty dog, but a psychopath who would not only sacrifice the other guy to save himself but not even give him the mercy of a headshot?  Come on.  Sick and tired of "dying boy," sick and tired of "missing girl," sick and tired of Dale pontificating from the top of his RV etc. etc.  Dull, dull, dull.  And the preview for next week's episode?  The vet throws them out because "they don't take in strangers."  Seriously? GAH!  I suppose that we have to get these characters to move on down the road but let's not make it because the kindly vet tells them they aren't welcome 'cause they're "strangers." 

Posted by: Syracuse1989 at October 31, 2011 02:31 AM (OIIe6)

254 "11 I read "The Stand" about 30 years ago, and it is about the only whole novel of King's I ever read.  Because King is a hacktastic novelist. His writing is juvenile and poorly structured and edited. He has stolen, plagiarized or copied about every horror/terror meme ever written.  It's like he watched every old episode of the "Twilight Zone" and turned them into a novel or short story. A lot of his readers are not widely read or have not seen these things to be aware of what an unoriginal copycat he has been.  And after awhile he starts to copy himself Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes.... at October 30, 2011 08:26 PM (sJTmU)" Well said! I copied the whole thing because it can't be said enough.

Posted by: Ann NY at October 31, 2011 03:37 AM (9DoiV)

255

Reply to 5.

Me neither.  I read that book because it was supposed to be great literature.  I kept waiting for something to happen.  I was still waiting at the end of the book.  I determined that I would never read another Stephen King book again (but I did read one or two others).  The one thing I can say about Stephen King is that he DOES NOT know how to end a book.  All his books leave me wondering why I even bothered.  I have not read one of his books in years and don't plan to.

Posted by: Bubba at October 31, 2011 07:09 AM (Ifa6n)

256

29.  Ooh, I forgot about The Long Walk. I read that and like it a lot.  Very different.  It reminded me of a short short story I read many years ago named The Lottery.  And of course The Shining.  I remember being completely blown away by that book.  I guess it was later that I turned against anything by Stephen King. 

Posted by: Bubba at October 31, 2011 09:05 AM (Ifa6n)

257 Speaking of Stephen King - what was the name of that book about a young married couple that moves to a small New England town only to discover that every seven years the town females ritually sacrifice one of the town's males to ensure the crops for the the next seven years.  I was pretty young when I read it and didn't completely trust my sisters for years afterward. I believe it was King who wrote it but I can not, for the life of me, remember the name of that book.

Posted by: Bubba at October 31, 2011 09:14 AM (Ifa6n)

258

I guess no one has read, Swan song. Robert R. Macammon 1987.

Now this is a book that has it all.

Posted by: HEP-T at October 31, 2011 10:44 AM (YoRu6)

259

The author of Alas Babylon later said of his novel, "I did not realize just how devastating a real Nuclear war would be, my novel did not cover all the aspects of the radiation threat nor nuclear winter." The author also wrote a book on how to survive a nuclear war that was not a work of fiction. It was titled How to survive a nuclear war and why. This book he also said was written before the full impact of such a war would have on people.

In both books Mr. Frank stated that at the time he had written an optomistic view of the situation. 

Posted by: HEP-T at October 31, 2011 10:50 AM (YoRu6)

260 Thomas Tryon-Harvest Home (or something like that-it was made into a movie as well).

Posted by: ejo at October 31, 2011 11:31 AM (pJ07w)

Posted by: christine at October 31, 2011 07:43 PM (9N764)

262 This is the first in a zombie short fiction anthology rolling out a new story each Friday through the end of the year: Cities of the Dead - Stories from the Zombie Apocalypse. Three stories up so far. Literary zombie fiction, not graphic novel.

I'm thinking The Walking Dead is about to tank, big time...

Posted by: the_penultimate_genius at November 01, 2011 03:30 AM (OggV/)

263 Wow, I never read so much fucking bitching in my life. What do you all expect, non-stop zombies? Don't you think that might get a little old? When it happens, it happens and it has impact, if it was constant and non-stop, it would be like so fucking what?

Admittedly, the worst mistake any show producer can make is hiring Sarah Wayne Callies in a starring role. If she gets her way she will turn it into a real soap opera revolved chiefly around her character. But for now, the show is fine. Not perfect, but still damn good.

As for why Shane shot the guy and left him alive for the zombies to eat instead of killing him with a head shot, the simple answer to that is, zombies aren't interested in eating dead bodies, they only care about eating the living.

Not only was this the only way Shane could save himself, it was also the only way he could get the medicine to the kid.

And if you didn't like the Hanging Zombie segment, there's no pleasing you. Maybe you should find something more to your liking, like Desperate Housewives.

Posted by: ThePaganTemple at November 01, 2011 12:01 PM (6mt0/)

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