February 28, 2014

So Here's The Thing: We and Britain Have a Treaty with Ukraine Pledging to Come to Their Aid if Their Territorial Integrity is Violated
— Ace

It was signed by Clinton and John Major in 1994. The reason we signed this treaty was to give the Ukraine a guarantee that we wouldn't let Russia invade them -- and we had to do that because we were asking them to give up their nuclear weapons.

They did give up their nukes. The one thing that could have guaranteed their freedom from Russia. And we in turn promised to help protect them.

And here we are.

I call it a "treaty" so you understand what I'm talking about, but I don't know if it's actually a treaty. It is called the "Budapest Memorandum," and I don't know if it was ever submitted to Congress.

he U.S. and Britain have both made crisis phone calls to President Putin to urge him not to intervene in Ukraine's Crimea, with the White House warning him it would be a 'grave mistake'.

NATO also asked Russia not to take action that could escalate tension. However Moscow responded by telling the organization to 'refrain' from provocative statements on Ukraine and respect its 'non-bloc' status.

Sir Tony Brenton, who served as British Ambassador from 2004 to 2008, said that war could be an option 'if we do conclude the [Budapest] Memorandum is legally binding.'
It promises to protect Ukraine's borders, in return for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons.

Today Kiev has demanded the agreement is activated after insisting their borders had been violated.

In response Mr Brenton said in a BBC radio interview: 'If indeed this is a Russian invasion of Crimea and if we do conclude the [Budapest] Memorandum is legally binding then it's very difficult to avoid the conclusion that we're going to go to war with Russia'.
Ukraine accused Russia of a 'military invasion and occupation', saying Russian troops have taken up positions around a coast guard base and two airports on its strategic Crimea peninsula.


And maybe this is why they are claiming that Ukraine hasn't been invaded at all: Why, the thousands of Russian troops coming into the Ukraine in APCs and military planes don't represent an invasion that would trigger our treaty obligations. No no no, foolish boy. It's not an invasion -- it's an "uncontested arrival" of troops, according to Obama.

Much like someone might arrive uncontestedly in your mouth, after promising not to.

And, as JohnE says, here we are:


And here we are:

And more gaffes from Republicans, circa 2008:


Also thanks to @johnekdahl for that. In fact, all of this post.

Posted by: Ace at 01:28 PM | Comments (428)
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1 Well they aren't the FIRST ones to get fucked by trusting Clinton.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at February 28, 2014 01:31 PM (DL2i+)

2 *pfft*

I don't keep the promises that come out of my own mouth.  Why would I keep Clinton's promises?

Posted by: Obama[/i][/b][/i][/b][/s][/s] at February 28, 2014 01:31 PM (P7Wsr)

3 wait.  what happened to all those class A comments?

Posted by: MTF at February 28, 2014 01:32 PM (F58x4)

4 It's kind of like guests arriving early for Thanksgiving dinner.

I'm sure everyone is totally cool with it.

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at February 28, 2014 01:32 PM (TWrD6)

5 There is an uncontested arrival of white people in Spike Lee's neighborhood.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at February 28, 2014 01:32 PM (YgTB4)

6 Once again,  ashamed to be an American.  Been happening a lot the last 6 years or so.

Posted by: Dang at February 28, 2014 01:32 PM (MNq6o)

7 I've been trying to read up on it. Congress never ratified it -- never even submitted for a vote. So it's not a treaty. It does have some legal bite, I think, as part of international law. But international law already forbids what Russia did and international law has no real enforcement mechanism other than the will of the powerful countries anyway.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 01:32 PM (ZPrif)

8 Oh, I get it.  Ace committed an uncontested arrival on the last thread.

Posted by: MTF at February 28, 2014 01:33 PM (F58x4)

9 Is Hagel penciling back in a few Armored divisions into 2015 Budget?

Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2014 01:33 PM (4JkHl)

10 OK...as much as I dislike Obama, this is a time when it might be more prudent to downplay our obligations. Do we really WANT to be at war with Russia? I don't think so...not under a competent Administration and certainly not under this one!

Posted by: philosoph0123 at February 28, 2014 01:34 PM (jvKGm)

11 I wonder how many other countries have Memorandum's like this -- where they think it's a binding treaty cause they don't understand how treaties work in America. If I'm a foreigner and the US President comes to my country and signs a big shiny piece of paper saying America will protect us -- well, that sounds like a treaty to me. This whole bit about Congress having to ratify it is easy to overlook.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 01:34 PM (ZPrif)

12 I saw "Budapest Memorandum", open for, "Hillary's Obsession" in '94.

Posted by: redenzo at February 28, 2014 01:35 PM (WCnJW)

13 I've been trying to read up on it. Congress never ratified it -- never even submitted for a vote. So it's not a treaty.

It does have some legal bite, I think, as part of international law.

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I wouldn't count on evading this so easily.  Britain may be forced to defend Ukraine and we  would  get sucked in that way.    This is a problem,  and it's going to be hard to be "flexible". 

Maybe Medvedev should tell Vladimir.

Posted by: MTF at February 28, 2014 01:35 PM (F58x4)

14 Legally we are at war? Isn't that racists or something?

Posted by: GMB who is anti everything at February 28, 2014 01:35 PM (nkPV9)

15 But international law already forbids what Russia did and international law has no real enforcement mechanism other than the will of the powerful countries anyway. Posted by: Flatbush Joe


Like when a lady is killed by her psycho ex-boyfriend even though she has a restraining order?  Or is it more like when a nut job shoots up a school even though the sign on the front door clearly says it's a gun-free zone?

Posted by: Dang at February 28, 2014 01:36 PM (MNq6o)

16 that 'memorandum' was signed just about the time of the 'Ukraine is weak' sketch on Seinfeld.


coincidence?

Posted by: Freddy Neet-sche at February 28, 2014 01:36 PM (omBWL)

17

I've been trying to read up on it. Congress never ratified it -- never even submitted for a vote. So it's not a treaty.

It does have some legal bite, I think, as part of international law. But international law already forbids what Russia did and international law has no real enforcement mechanism other than the will of the powerful countries anyway.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 06:32 PM (ZPrif)

 

I tried this in 1938.  It did not work out very well. 

Posted by: Neville Chamberlain at February 28, 2014 01:36 PM (D+lxs)

18 John Fkn Kerry and Jay Carney warned the Russians. Can you just see Putin snorting beer out of his nose after hearing that.

Posted by: Buffalobob at February 28, 2014 01:36 PM (RZBmV)

19 A few PAC-3 batteries in Poland to protect the entry of airborne forces would be cool to have right about now.

Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2014 01:37 PM (4JkHl)

20 A key question to me is still -- how was America so easily fooled? Yesterday all the official arms of the US govt seemed to be putting out calming noises that this was all just Russian bluster -- even stating that our SIGINT wasn't picking up any indications that Russia would invade. Russia totally and completely avoided or fooled our SIGINT capabilities. How did they do that?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 01:37 PM (ZPrif)

21 "Budapest Memorandum" in memoriam (what happens in Budapest stays in Budapest)

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 28, 2014 01:37 PM (MhA4j)

22 I wouldn't count on evading this so easily. Britain may be forced to defend Ukraine and we would get sucked in that way. This is a problem, and it's going to be hard to be "flexible".

good thing O got that pesky 'special relationship' out of the way early on, eh?

Posted by: Mr. Bingley at February 28, 2014 01:37 PM (TWrD6)

23 Check out Zeke Miller's (Political Reporter for Time) twitter.

He's live-tweeting Barry's speech at the cocktail hour today after the Ukraine brief.

I almost can't believe it's real.   Barry getting heckled, heckling back (about Russia!, etc). 


Posted by: aquaviva at February 28, 2014 01:38 PM (wFinq)

24 Russia totally and completely avoided or fooled our SIGINT capabilities.

How did they do that?

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Couldn't tell you.

Posted by: Eddie Snowden at February 28, 2014 01:38 PM (F58x4)

25 We were willowed. (You bastards no fetchy!)

Posted by: tasker at February 28, 2014 01:39 PM (RJMhd)

26

I remember we had a similar occurrence in 1938. 

 

We had a choice between War and Dishonor.  We chose Dishonor.  And in 1939, we had WAR. 

Posted by: Winston Churchill at February 28, 2014 01:39 PM (D+lxs)

27 Fuck, this is awful. God damn Clinton.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 28, 2014 01:39 PM (ihCPW)

28 Congress never ratified it -- never even submitted for a vote. So it's not a treaty. 7. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 06:32 PM (ZPrif) Thanks for sharing the research.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 28, 2014 01:39 PM (MhA4j)

29 I'm reporting for duty!

Posted by: John Kerry at February 28, 2014 01:40 PM (F58x4)

30

Russia totally and completely avoided or fooled our SIGINT capabilities.



How did they do that?

 

 

Land Lines and face to face communications. 

Posted by: NSA Intercept Monitoring at February 28, 2014 01:40 PM (D+lxs)

31 The word of the US is now officially worth nothing. The Ukraine were fools to trust us.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 28, 2014 01:40 PM (ihCPW)

32 25 I wentt back and got peoples.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 28, 2014 01:41 PM (ojnk6)

33 MTF,  Ha!  you think Barky would honor US/Brit or NATO treaty obligations?     You think Hairy Reed would let the senate pass a resolution of war against Ear Leaders wishes?     Pray that the Brits and Ukraines negotiate something with Putin where Russia only gets Crimea and that Putin goes along with this because he doesn't want to start a conflict that the U.S. might enter at the eleventh hour.  

Posted by: palerider at February 28, 2014 01:41 PM (dkExz)

34

Over/Under on when Japan announces that it has nukes?  I'm giving it two years.

 

 

Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 28, 2014 01:41 PM (lr3d7)

35 Putin is probably looking for a way to pay for the Winter Olympics. /jk

Posted by: tasker at February 28, 2014 01:41 PM (RJMhd)

36 Here's an explainer http://www.rferl.org/content/ukraine-explainer-budapest-memorandum/25280502.html What exactly is the "Budapest Memorandum"? The "Budapest Memorandum on Security Assurances" is a diplomatic memorandum that was signed in December 1994 by Ukraine, Russia, the United States, and the United Kingdom. It is not a formal treaty, but rather, a diplomatic document under which signatories made promises to each other as part of the denuclearization of former Soviet republics after the dissolution of the Soviet Union. Under the memorandum, Ukraine promised to remove all Soviet-era nuclear weapons from its territory, send them to disarmament facilities in Russia, and sign the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty. Ukraine kept these promises. In return, Russia and the Western signatory countries essentially consecrated the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine as an independent state. They did so by applying the principles of territorial integrity and nonintervention in 1975 Helsinki Final Act -- a Cold War-era treaty signed by 35 states including the Soviet Union -- to an independent post-Soviet Ukraine.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 01:41 PM (ZPrif)

37 Which principles in the Helsinki Final Act, reiterated in the "Budapest Memorandum," are relevant to the current situation in the Crimea? In the "Budapest Memorandum," Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States promised that none of them would ever threaten or use force against the territorial integrity or political independence of Ukraine. They also pledged that none of them would ever use economic coercion to subordinate Ukraine to their own interest. They specifically pledged they would refrain from making each other's territory the object of military occupation or engage in other uses of force in violation of international law. All sides agreed that no such occupation or acquisition will be recognized as legal and that the signatories would "consult in the event a situation arises which raises a question concerning these commitments."

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 01:41 PM (ZPrif)

38
It is called the "Budapest Memorandum," and I don't know if it was ever submitted to Congress.




Not all agreements are treaties requiring ratification.  Beside, sometimes unratified treaty provisions are still enforced by Executive fiat, for example with SALT II.

And that was before President Improv showed up.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 28, 2014 01:41 PM (kdS6q)

39 Is there anything legally binding about the "Budapest Memorandum" regarding Russia's obligations to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity? "That's actually a much more complex question than it may sound. It is binding in international law, but that doesn't mean it has any means of enforcement," says Barry Kellman is a professor of law and director of the International Weapons Control Center at DePaul University's College of Law. "The 'Budapest Memorandum' follows the Helsinki Final Act and essentially reiterates its provisions. There are confidence building measures and then a host of other broader obligations – primarily negative obligations. Don't interfere." Kellman concludes that there are a host of other sources of international law that oblige Russia to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity -- including the provisions of the CSCE treaty and the UN Charter.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 01:42 PM (ZPrif)

40 Maybe I'll get some more medals out of this fucker.

Posted by: John Francois Kerry, Worthy Successor to Hillary! Clinton at February 28, 2014 01:42 PM (8ZskC)

41 The Ukraine were fools to trust us.
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We officially are worried

Posted by: Poland, Japan, Taiwan and everybody else at February 28, 2014 01:42 PM (F58x4)

42 29 I'm reporting for duty! *hic Posted by: John DRUNKEN Kerry at February 28, 2014 06:40 PM (F58x4) Hillary: Reset! Refill! *glug-glug-glug I came, I saw, I drank! bwahahahahaha. Now kill them. Kill them all.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 28, 2014 01:42 PM (MhA4j)

43 We just shit our pants.

Posted by: Poland at February 28, 2014 01:42 PM (1ISHv)

44
France once had an uncontested arrival from the Germans.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 28, 2014 01:42 PM (gorVZ)

45 I'm sure Obama has the power to delay implementation of that treaty until 2017.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 28, 2014 01:43 PM (hn70M)

46 20 A key question to me is still -- how was America so easily fooled? Yesterday all the official arms of the US govt seemed to be putting out calming noises that this was all just Russian bluster -- even stating that our SIGINT wasn't picking up any indications that Russia would invade. Russia totally and completely avoided or fooled our SIGINT capabilities. How did they do that? Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 06:37 PM (ZPrif) *********** I think you have things --right. If someone trolls you about a certain *hero* they are naive.

Posted by: tasker at February 28, 2014 01:43 PM (RJMhd)

47 #1 lesson for nation states with nuclear weapons: Never, ever give up your nukes. Never. Ever. No matter what.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 01:43 PM (ZPrif)

48 How did they do that? Some idiots in the NSA decided they wanted to spy on American citizens. Word got out and now their program is in ruins as collateral damage.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 28, 2014 01:43 PM (ihCPW)

49 I don't think it really matters if congress ratified this or not. We made a promise to defend a country in order to get them to surrender their nukes. If we fail to uphold that promise... We've just drastically, drastically reshaped the world's nuclear calculus.

Posted by: Lauren at February 28, 2014 01:43 PM (hFL/3)

50 If you bought a Coke in the last 75 years, you've had a hand in the winning of these gold medals invasion of Crimea. ** **updated to match the new post-Olympic spirit of international cooperation.

Posted by: S. Muldoon at February 28, 2014 01:44 PM (g4TxM)

51 "It was signed by Clinton and John Major in 1994. The reason we signed this treaty was to give the Ukraine a guarantee that we wouldn't let Russia invade them -- and we had to do that because we were asking them to give up their nuclear weapons."
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Hillary's thinking " JC, first the blue dress and now this ..."

Posted by: mrp at February 28, 2014 01:44 PM (JBggj)

52 How did they do that?

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 06:37 PM (ZPrif)


Like I said before: They lied.

Posted by: Country Singer at February 28, 2014 01:44 PM (r/e1Q)

53
Those drinks I ordered from the waitress.... arrived uncontested.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 28, 2014 01:44 PM (gorVZ)

54 If we would have let the japs land in Hawaii we could of avoided WWII.

Posted by: Big Ben at February 28, 2014 01:44 PM (I5Htn)

55 its 3 a.m. and the beer is gone

Posted by: dick at February 28, 2014 01:45 PM (GrtrJ)

56 Prediction:  The Obama Administration will be the first to allow a hostile nuclear detonation on foreign soil since WWII, and our world will change forever.

Oh and Pain!

Posted by: Fritz at February 28, 2014 01:45 PM (PnMCP)

57 "The cold war has been over for twenty years." From the third Obama/Romney debate.

Posted by: obama at February 28, 2014 01:45 PM (WCnJW)

58

A few PAC-3 batteries in Poland to protect the entry of airborne forces would be cool to have right about now.

Posted by: Jean at February 28, 2014 06:37 PM (4JkHl)

 

 

I wouldn't want to be putting Airborne up against Armor.  They would die bravely, but they would die.  If they were backed up by Armor or Mechanized forces from western europe, they would stand a chance. 

Posted by: rd at February 28, 2014 01:45 PM (D+lxs)

59 maybe something that will tarnish bill clinton's legacy. made invalid promises to ukraine that we are not required to fulfill since it wasn't a treaty. not sure.

Posted by: obamuh at February 28, 2014 01:45 PM (kGsKD)

60 Get the "Sorry, You're Fucked" cables out of storage.  Since they're all in Vietnamese, Arabic, Czech and Persian, have them translated into Ukrainian, stat.

Posted by: John Francois Kerry, Worthy Successor to Hillary! Clinton at February 28, 2014 01:45 PM (8ZskC)

61 39 Is there anything legally binding about the "Budapest Memorandum" regarding Russia's obligations to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity? "That's actually a much more complex question than it may sound. It is binding in international law, but that doesn't mean it has any means of enforcement," says Barry Kellman is a professor of law and director of the International Weapons Control Center at DePaul University's College of Law. "The 'Budapest Memorandum' follows the Helsinki Final Act and essentially reiterates its provisions. There are confidence building measures and then a host of other broader obligations – primarily negative obligations. Don't interfere." Kellman concludes that there are a host of other sources of international law that oblige Russia to respect Ukraine's territorial integrity -- including the provisions of the CSCE treaty and the UN Charter. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 06:42 PM (ZPrif) ********* Supposedly Wesley thinks NATO is the more useful vehicle... McCain put out a smoke signal to the Germans--so it will be interesting to see what they do.

Posted by: tasker at February 28, 2014 01:45 PM (RJMhd)

62 Did I ever tell you about when I visited the Crimea and took automatic weapons fire as I ran across the tarmac?


They were definitely Ready For Hillary that day!

Posted by: Hillary! at February 28, 2014 01:45 PM (F58x4)

63
Your mouth....uncontested arrival.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 28, 2014 01:45 PM (gorVZ)

64 Memorandum shmemorandum. The only question is which government is legal. Easy question right? OK morons, have at it.

Posted by: DL at February 28, 2014 01:46 PM (8bYlG)

65 Don't think the Poles aren't watching this closely.

Posted by: RS at February 28, 2014 01:46 PM (YAGV/)

66 Link in sig; Ukraine urges Budapest Memorandum signatories to guarantee its integrity - Ukrainian prime ministerial candidate Arseniy Yatseniuk is calling on the signatories to the Budapest Memorandum to guarantee Ukraine's territorial integrity. "Ukraine is calling on all signatories of the Budapest Memorandum to guarantee Ukraine's security and territorial integrity," Yatseniuk said at a parliamentary plenary session on Feb. 27.

Posted by: Lauren at February 28, 2014 01:46 PM (hFL/3)

67 war... "just when i think i'm out, they pull me back in" /

Posted by: concrete girl at February 28, 2014 01:46 PM (LhAqq)

68 What my administration desperately needs right now is for another ghey athlete to come out.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at February 28, 2014 01:46 PM (Dwehj)

69 Hey, it's now a multipolar world. We're living the dream, you ungrateful plebes!

Posted by: Feh at February 28, 2014 01:46 PM (g/zj9)

70 This sets up perfectly for Hillary.  After not having a man in the White House for 8 years it will be a small step to have a woman president.

Posted by: Big Ben at February 28, 2014 01:47 PM (I5Htn)

71
hey Monica baby, there's an uncontested arrival on your blue dress.

Posted by: Billy Clinton at February 28, 2014 01:47 PM (gorVZ)

72 I think this fiasco will probably kill our ability to get creditors. What is the word of the US worth? Not a damn thing.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 28, 2014 01:48 PM (ihCPW)

73

20 A key question to me is still -- how was America so easily fooled?

 

You mean...when it elected Barky? ...Twice?

Posted by: wheatie at February 28, 2014 01:48 PM (QsHQT)

74 I'm having all kinds of mental confusion with the name Zeke Miller. I keep channeling Zell Miller.

Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2014 01:48 PM (0xqKe)

75 Obama says Biden spoke to Ukrainian PM. There. Problem solved. Top Men.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at February 28, 2014 01:48 PM (CnA98)

76 66 WH has already said that they no longer recognize him as President. They don't give a shit.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 28, 2014 01:48 PM (ojnk6)

77 If Obama can ignore law passed by congress, then he can ignore treaties, or memorandum, or emails, or 'phone calls, or anything else he chooses to ignore.

Just like the Department of Justice has discretion over who or what to prosecute, the President makes those same kinds of decisions. He gives the orders. If you don't like it, tuff. There's nothing you can do except vote for someone else next election.

Posted by: Harold Ewiees at February 28, 2014 01:48 PM (wdfmd)

78 Of course this Idiot in Chief brings the bar down low enough for Slo Joe also.

Posted by: Big Ben at February 28, 2014 01:48 PM (I5Htn)

79 Obama will issue a strongly worded statement involving red lines and decry the brutality on both sides, calling for peace, then go golfing. Everything is under control.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 28, 2014 01:48 PM (zfY+H)

80 I'd even settle for another Ted Nugent gaffe, at this point.

Posted by: Prez'nit 404 at February 28, 2014 01:49 PM (Dwehj)

81

 

 

Silly Ukranians! Trusting the Europeans and America?

You build nuclear weapons, even if you have to starve your own people. That is the only way to be safe in this world. Just ask the Pakistanis and the Mullahs in Iran.

 

 

 

Posted by: Kim Jong Un at February 28, 2014 01:49 PM (D+lxs)

82 Obama says Biden spoke to Ukrainian PM.


No translator either, bitchez!!!!

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 28, 2014 01:49 PM (8ZskC)

83 Can you believe the team we've got lined up to deal with Russia?  A bunch of true believer English majors led by spin meisters and the  Naked  Emperor

Posted by: MTF at February 28, 2014 01:49 PM (F58x4)

84

These fucking clowns really are putting our national word and honor under a shitter.

 

I know what dumbfuck's response is going to be.

 

I am more interested in the UK's response.  Any word?

Posted by: prescient11 at February 28, 2014 01:49 PM (tVTLU)

85 Our betters were too busy monitoring the real enemies of freedom, the Tea Party.

Posted by: Feh at February 28, 2014 01:49 PM (g/zj9)

86 There are NATO advisers and tech dweebs in Poland:  Americans, Brits, and...


ze Germans.  ( this time they were invited, and say they get less crap from Poles while wearing uniforms in public than when in Germany )

Posted by: Freddy Neet-sche at February 28, 2014 01:50 PM (omBWL)

87

Ring....Ring....RINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNG DAMMIT ANSWER ME!

Posted by: 3 AM Phone at February 28, 2014 01:50 PM (gorVZ)

88 It wasn't a violation-violation...

Posted by: Whoopie at February 28, 2014 01:50 PM (Q6pxP)

89 Somehow this is Bush's fault. We need to flesh that out.

Posted by: MFM at February 28, 2014 01:50 PM (J44/r)

90 Yesterday all the official arms of the US govt seemed to be putting out calming noises

That would be the official liars not telling you the truth this time either.  Cause that never happens even when they know it.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at February 28, 2014 01:50 PM (DL2i+)

91 "WH has already said that they no longer recognize him as President. They don't give a shit." I thought they said they don't recognize Yanukovych as still being the president. They're recognizing the transitional government, at least last I heard.

Posted by: Lauren at February 28, 2014 01:50 PM (hFL/3)

92 That 1994 treaty has long expired. After all, we are talking about president expiration date.

Posted by: YIKES! at February 28, 2014 01:50 PM (mETGQ)

93 It's a good thing we are cutting the army down to pre ww2 levels. Whew, just in time

Posted by: oc joe at February 28, 2014 01:51 PM (hqVUe)

94
"Ukraine's accession to the Non-Proliferation Treaty completes a bold move away from the nuclear precipice. Ukraine has joined Belarus and Kazakhstan in ridding itself of the terrible weapons each inherited when the Soviet Union dissolved. Presidents Lukashenko, Nazarbayev, and Kuchma have done a very great service for their own people, their neighbors, and, indeed, all the people of the world.

Creating security in the post-Cold War era requires that we unite, not divide. The pledges on security assurances that Prime Minister Major, President Yeltsin, and I have given these three nations move us further in that direction. They underscore our independence, our commitment to the independence, the sovereignty, and the territorial integrity of these states. "


President Bill "Fingers Crossed!" Clinton

Remarks at the signing of denuclearization agreements, Budapest, Hungary, December 5, 1994.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 28, 2014 01:51 PM (kdS6q)

95 You people worrying about Ukraine, the Budapest memo, China flexing its muscles at Japan, etc. the economy tanking (again), POTUS ruling by fiat, etc. are taking your eyes off the BIG issue of the day: will homosexual couples be able to get the wedding cake of their dreams?


Posted by: MSNBC at February 28, 2014 01:51 PM (DLu2s)

96 I can see Russia invading Ukraine from my TV.

Posted by: Sarah Palin at February 28, 2014 01:51 PM (9eDbm)

97 Woody Allen calls every adopted kid an "uncontested arrival".

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 28, 2014 01:52 PM (hn70M)

98 65 Don't think the Poles aren't watching this closely.

I don't think anyone actually lives at the North one.

Posted by: Slo Joe at February 28, 2014 01:52 PM (I5Htn)

99 How many M1's and M2 Bradleys do we have in cold storage? A few thousand of each. How about we encourage our their donation to Ukraine.

Posted by: GMB who is anti everything at February 28, 2014 01:52 PM (nkPV9)

100 That would be the official liars not telling you the truth this time either. Cause that never happens even when they know it. Our intelligence agencies are not very good. The collapse of the USSR surprised them.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 28, 2014 01:52 PM (ihCPW)

101

85 Our betters were too busy monitoring the real enemies of freedom, the Tea Party.

 

And Ghey Wedding Cakes!!11!!

Posted by: wheatie at February 28, 2014 01:53 PM (QsHQT)

102 As I told Mr. Obumbles when I spoke to him, "Don't worry, it's just the tip,  and  I will pull out before anything happens"

Posted by: Vladimir Putin at February 28, 2014 01:53 PM (F58x4)

103 "The Budapest Memorandum" sounds like the title of a Sherlock Holmes mystery.

Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at February 28, 2014 01:53 PM (/cUUk)

104 91 You are correct. I can't keep the Y names straight.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 28, 2014 01:53 PM (ojnk6)

105 The only thing that can save Ukraine from a Russian invasion is a Green Energy program that includes clean biodiesel for Ukraine's AFVs.

Posted by: mrp at February 28, 2014 01:53 PM (JBggj)

106 Gee, that provincial redneck Sarah Palin sure is stupid, huh?

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 28, 2014 01:53 PM (OUYPn)

107 Presidents Lukashenko, Nazarbayev, and Kuchma have done a very great service for their own people, their neighbors, and, indeed, all the people of the world. Well, at least for one neighbor.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 28, 2014 01:53 PM (WX3R9)

108 You f#ked up—you trusted us!

Posted by: President Otter at February 28, 2014 01:53 PM (Ph479)

109 US: Lines in the sand. Britain: STOP! Or I shall say stop again.

Posted by: YIKES! at February 28, 2014 01:53 PM (mETGQ)

110 I'm not too worried that China would invade Taiwanm I believe that they have been working towards peaceful re-merger ala HongKong.    Certainly I think the Taiwanese would look at the U.S. surrender monkey behavior of late and vote to merge rather than try to fight unless they make or have some alliances with other nations that might actually have their backs but I also think their government and a large chunk of the population would no longer have a problem with some kind of merger. 

Posted by: palerider at February 28, 2014 01:54 PM (dkExz)

111 Who cares? What has this got to do with my children?!?

Posted by: Michelle Obama at February 28, 2014 01:54 PM (dfYL9)

112 tis a shame that the BBC is actually covering this like it's important. Like I want to use BBC as a news source *spit*

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at February 28, 2014 01:54 PM (9eDbm)

113
Our betters were too busy monitoring the real enemies of freedom, the Tea Party.

Liam Neeson's new flick is on target then.  Evil tea partiers.

Posted by: 3 AM Phone at February 28, 2014 01:54 PM (gorVZ)

114

Silly Fools

 

You will pay me for your Samsung phones very soon. 

Posted by: Kim Jong Un at February 28, 2014 01:54 PM (D+lxs)

115 I was wrong.

It's not a 1914 vibe.

It's 1938-ish.

Hey, let's jog.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 28, 2014 01:54 PM (kNqmp)

116 It depends on what the definition of 'Invasion' is.

Posted by: wheatie at February 28, 2014 01:55 PM (QsHQT)

117 Now is the perfect time.. implement the GI Jane SEAL Integration plan!!

Posted by: RWC at February 28, 2014 01:55 PM (MtC8f)

118 Send Footie-Pajama Boy in with a M4!

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at February 28, 2014 01:55 PM (9eDbm)

119 I'll have more flexibility after happy hour.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 28, 2014 01:55 PM (g4TxM)

120 Gee, that provincial redneck Sarah Palin sure is stupid, huh? While I’m a fan of Palin, this was pretty damn obvious back then given what they’d done in Georgia. The stupid was in trying to deny it just because (a) she said it and (b) Barack Obama exacerbated it.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 28, 2014 01:56 PM (WX3R9)

121 Obama is teaching Eastern Europe the same lesson he taught the Middle East: do not, under any circumstances, give up your nukes. If you do you are anyone's meat.

Posted by: Votermom at February 28, 2014 01:56 PM (GSIDW)

122 No worries, Man With No Party, I had to double check myself!

Posted by: Lauren at February 28, 2014 01:57 PM (hFL/3)

123 I like the addition of the Bammy & Biden Go Jogging video. It only underscores how serious our executive is today. Top men, baby.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 28, 2014 01:57 PM (dfYL9)

124 I mean who could possible learn something from this sort of incident?

Apart from the Iranians, North Koreans, Syrians, Hezbollah, Cubans, Venezuelans, Nicaraguans, Pakistanis, about a bazillion Iraqis, Yemenis, and Somalis?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 28, 2014 01:57 PM (kNqmp)

125 Cuban missile crisis. Kennedy withdrew our treaty with secular Turkey missiles. USSR sailed out of Cuba. Which US military foreign base installations are due to close or cut back (sooner than expected)? Reset Georgia transferred to Ukraine. This is the Eastern European Spring, or something? But they need their oil. Can't survive winters without oil. Can't develop industrially without oil. It isn't as if they get enough sun to power up with solar tech, or enough wind for develop high tech on windmill power. Between a rock and a hard spot, they have all the experience at that. One thing this episode proves, that everyone very much depends on oil for energy and fuel. Period. And for all the tax funds subsidizing clean alternative "energy" the bleeding heart liberal-spenders haven't any alternative energy technology to offer the Ukrainians right now, or ever. So stop the stupid policies and laws in the US preventing the cleanest tech oil drilling in Alaska and off Florida. And lets get our own economy going with jobs.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 28, 2014 01:57 PM (MhA4j)

126

How many M1's and M2 Bradleys do we have in cold storage? A few thousand of each. How about we encourage our their donation to Ukraine.

Posted by: GMB who is anti everything at February 28, 2014 06:52 PM (nkPV9)

 

I would rather we gave them to the Poles, Baltic Countries, Czechs and Slovaks.  And do not be surprised if they ask for them AND US TROOPS when Ukraine falls. 

Posted by: rd at February 28, 2014 01:57 PM (D+lxs)

127 Bill Clinton has been veeewy qwiet today.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 28, 2014 01:57 PM (l3vZN)

128 When the "Dollar Store", foreign policy, [non influence], comes home to roost, shit gonna get real.

Posted by: redenzo at February 28, 2014 01:57 PM (WCnJW)

129 Soooo, what I'm really worried about is what side Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire are going to come in on if this thing blows up.

Posted by: Sharkman at February 28, 2014 01:58 PM (TM1p8)

130 And yes, I am placing a hefty sum on "Japan is a nuclear power within the current decade."

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 28, 2014 01:59 PM (kNqmp)

131 Hey, Barry! Great news! Vladimir Putin asked me to give you this drink he bought you, and in honor of Mardi Gras next week he flew it up from New Orleans! What a great gesture!

I believe it's called a 'Hand Grenade'. Enjoy!

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 28, 2014 01:59 PM (DLu2s)

132 125 +1

Posted by: Feh at February 28, 2014 01:59 PM (g/zj9)

133 I bet TFG is high right now. Holder's still dizzy. Hillary's head is still exploding. Joe's just being Joe. What a team.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at February 28, 2014 02:00 PM (IXrOn)

134 Someone needs to get a quick assessment of how much CO2 those Commie tanks are belching out. That'll spur TFG into action.

Posted by: jakeman at February 28, 2014 02:00 PM (vH4YP)

135 I don't think we're in any shape to engage in a global war. Rosie the Riveter became un-job-locked and is now a street mime.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 28, 2014 02:00 PM (g4TxM)

136 About that Alaskan oil...

Posted by: Russia at February 28, 2014 02:00 PM (hFL/3)

137

123 I like the addition of the Bammy & Biden Go Jogging video.

 

It would've been better with Moochelle following along behind them, with a whip. 

Posted by: wheatie at February 28, 2014 02:00 PM (QsHQT)

138 130 After seeing how well we keep our protection promises, I'd be surprised if they don't produce on by the end of March, 2014.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 28, 2014 02:01 PM (ojnk6)

139 It's as though the only thing this president knows what to do is to raise money and squash domestic dissent.

Posted by: YIKES! at February 28, 2014 02:01 PM (mETGQ)

140 Can anyone find a statement on this from Merkel--or is Europe asleep?

Posted by: tasker at February 28, 2014 02:01 PM (RJMhd)

141 This Russian invasion violates the true peaceful teachings of Islam.

Posted by: David Cameron at February 28, 2014 02:01 PM (sOtz/)

142 I would rather we gave them to the Poles, Baltic Countries, Czechs and Slovaks. And do not be surprised if they ask for them AND US TROOPS when Ukraine falls.

Posted by: rd at February 28, 2014 06:57 PM (D+lxs)


Let me do some checking but I do believe that the Poles are already in the process of getting M1's to replace all their old soviet era stuff.

Posted by: GMB who is anti everything at February 28, 2014 02:02 PM (nkPV9)

143 What we really need is an understanding with our uncontested immigrants who want US Citizenship.

If current US immigration law is inoperative what are immigrants supposed to think?

Posted by: Harold Ewiees at February 28, 2014 02:02 PM (wdfmd)

144

This is actually a big deal re the UK.

 

Luckily for us any foreign agreement to commit arms has to be done by formal treaty, pretty much, and thus requires formal ratification by Senate.

 

In UK, I think if cabinet approval is given military agreements can be made.  They have done this in the past I believe, which led to the world wars.  Perhaps they've revised this, but an agreement by the head of the UK govt means a shit ton more than whatever a US Prez signs.

Posted by: prescient11 at February 28, 2014 02:02 PM (tVTLU)

145
How many M1's and M2 Bradleys do we have in cold storage?
Posted by: GMB who is anti everything




We could have given them a few thousand MRAPs, but the Feds gave them to the FBI, Postal Inspectors and your local cops instead.

But only so they can -- hmm -- serve warrants on deadbeat dads. *yes, that will do*

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 28, 2014 02:02 PM (kdS6q)

146 106 Gee, that provincial redneck Sarah Palin sure is stupid, huh? Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Rounding Error Extraordinaire at February 28, 2014 06:53 PM (OUYPn) Between Palin and ANY democrat party candidate, I'd vote for her and stump hard for her electoral success.

Posted by: panzernashorn at February 28, 2014 02:03 PM (MhA4j)

147 >>>And yes, I am placing a hefty sum on "Japan is a nuclear power within the current decade."<<<

Japan has been a nuclear power since the day they brought the first reactor online.

Treaties and such.

Posted by: Fritz at February 28, 2014 02:03 PM (PnMCP)

148 About that Alaskan oil… So, seriously, if Russia were to take, say, St. Lawrence Island, would we do anything about it?

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 28, 2014 02:03 PM (WX3R9)

149 Whoaaaa ...  CNN's take on the Palin I-Told-You-So 

Things are getting serious, White House dudes.

LINK:   http://preview.tinyurl.com/mxc52md


Posted by: mrp at February 28, 2014 02:03 PM (JBggj)

150 This whole thing is like an Afterschool Special with retards in all the roles.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 28, 2014 02:04 PM (oFCZn)

151 i'm sure this will end well for all involved.

anyone up for shooting some skeets?

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 28, 2014 02:04 PM (q+fqH)

152 137 It would've been better with Moochelle following along behind them, with a whip. Posted by: wheatie at February 28, 2014 07:00 PM (QsHQT) ---------------------- THAT would have been far more exciting. And they would have picked up the pace!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at February 28, 2014 02:04 PM (dfYL9)

153 Luckily for us any foreign agreement to commit arms has to be done by formal treaty, pretty much, and thus requires formal ratification by Senate. If the UK goes to war, we aren't going to sit it out. This could potentially turn into mushroom clouds.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 28, 2014 02:04 PM (ihCPW)

154
The United States is seriously considering not attending the conference in Sochi because President Putin is trying to cum in our mouths. 

Posted by: John F'n Kerry, Secretary of State at February 28, 2014 02:05 PM (nQjHM)

155 This could potentially turn into mushroom clouds. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 28, 2014 07:04 PM (ihCPW) *shrugs* Won't be anyone left to blame President Obama.

Posted by: MSM at February 28, 2014 02:06 PM (oFCZn)

156 Do you mean fucking Bill Clinton and Fucking Barack Obama have got us fucked up? 


You don't say?  

My, who could have thought that fucking Democrats could push us along a path where a hell of a lot of people might get killed? 

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 28, 2014 02:06 PM (XnALK)

157 This all could have been avoided if we let the Ukraine keep their nukes.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 28, 2014 02:06 PM (ihCPW)

158 Uhhhhh, SURF'S, ummm, UP!

Posted by: TEH WON at February 28, 2014 02:07 PM (Vmc0i)

159 "157 This all could have been avoided if we let the Ukraine keep their nukes." Yep.

Posted by: Russia at February 28, 2014 02:07 PM (hFL/3)

160 Budapest is in Hungary, so what does this have to do with Ukraine? Plus, it's probably written in Magyar. Who the f*k speaks Magyar?

Posted by: bergerbilder at February 28, 2014 02:07 PM (8MjqI)

161 Hahahaha....Slappy, John McStain, Flithy Harry, Nancy Colostomy, and the rest of the corrupt body politik must be crapping their collective depends right about now. Or maybe not....Hahahaha. Thank Jesus I already served...Hahahahaha

Posted by: IrishEd at February 28, 2014 02:07 PM (bfm04)

162 As some wag put it on twitter and retweeted on Instapundit, "Yes, Russia has determined that Ukraine's economy needs an emergency shipment of Russian tanks..."

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at February 28, 2014 02:07 PM (PMGbu)

163 CNN airing new image of Russian tanks in Ukraine
http://tinyurl.com/k6dtzmw

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 28, 2014 02:07 PM (hn70M)

164 They even jog clownfuckers. We have been reduced to the class drooling idiot as a country. Thanks 52%.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at February 28, 2014 02:07 PM (Q8vlx)

165 SüdDeutsches Zeitung Headline.

Russians in Ukraine to fight against nationalism and fascism.

Move along?

Posted by: GMB who is anti everything at February 28, 2014 02:08 PM (nkPV9)

166
Who the f*k speaks Magyar?

Posted by: bergerbilder at February 28, 2014 07:07 PM (8MjqI)


I'm fluent and available.

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 28, 2014 02:08 PM (nQjHM)

167

Really, who didn't see any of this coming? I'm not talking about the Ukraine specifically; rather, Obama's absolute fecklessness, weakness of character, lack of geopolitical savvy, and all-around ineptitude resulting in a bad guy making bull moves he wouldn't otherwise make if our country had a leader worthy of the name.  He's even worse than Jimmy Carter. Carter, for his part, called the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan an 'invasion', and neither did he renounce the Monroe Doctrine.

Posted by: Zombie Neville Chamberlain at February 28, 2014 02:08 PM (V9ol4)

168 Can't I just eat my waffles?

Posted by: Preznit at February 28, 2014 02:08 PM (4+AaH)

169 150 This whole thing is like an Afterschool Special with retards in all the roles.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 28, 2014 07:04 PM (oFCZn)


YAAAYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!....uhhhh....HEYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!??????

Posted by: Corky the Retard at February 28, 2014 02:08 PM (Vmc0i)

170 Russia totally and completely avoided or fooled our SIGINT capabilities. How did they do that?
They know Biden's password is "1234".

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 28, 2014 02:08 PM (hn5v5)

171 If the UK goes to war, we aren't going to sit it out. At this point, nothing would surprise me. “We’re tempted to produce at this point appropriate Winston Churchill warnings and statements from the 1930s. But the current situation is almost too pathetic to be worthy of Churchillian exhortation… We don’t need extraordinary heroism or exemplary statesmanship to deal with the second- and third-rate threats that we face. We require competent men taking serious measures.” Of course, that was written last week.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 28, 2014 02:08 PM (WX3R9)

172 The UK would have to be terminally insane to even consider fighting a land war with the Russians in the Crimea.

Posted by: kartoffel at February 28, 2014 02:08 PM (1zhvB)

173 I don't see Cameron going to war. The EU won't have it.

Posted by: Feh at February 28, 2014 02:09 PM (g/zj9)

174 Those of you with "six days" in the "how long after Sochi will it take for the Russians to invade" please see the cashier for your winnings.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 28, 2014 02:09 PM (kNqmp)

175

138130
After seeing how well we keep our protection promises, I'd be surprised if they don't produce on by the end of March, 2014.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 28, 2014 07:01 PM (ojnk6)

 

Watch South Korea, Taiwan, and the Saudis.  They are also threatened by nuclear powers and will want their own nukes. 

Posted by: rd at February 28, 2014 02:09 PM (D+lxs)

176 so who's up for grabbing venezuela?

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2014 02:09 PM (nqBYe)

177 brb, leadin the free world

Posted by: lolobama at February 28, 2014 02:09 PM (mbm6i)

178 Just push the RESET button!!!...do I have to do EVERYTHING???

Posted by: HILLARY! at February 28, 2014 02:09 PM (Vmc0i)

179 163 CNN airing new image of Russian tanks in Ukraine http://tinyurl.com/k6dtzmw Posted by: Dr Spank at February 28, 2014 07:07 PM (hn70M) ********* And the helicopter footage looks like more than what you would need for that navy fleet....

Posted by: tasker at February 28, 2014 02:09 PM (RJMhd)

180 CNN airing new image of Russian tanks in Ukraine Yeah, notice the important news scrolling along the bottom of that screen shot? I see the word 'openly' and that tells me all I need to know.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at February 28, 2014 02:09 PM (CnA98)

181

148...So, seriously, if Russia were to take, say, St. Lawrence Island, would we do anything about it?

 

Russia could add it to the other 7 Alaskan Islands that Barky already gave them.

Posted by: wheatie at February 28, 2014 02:10 PM (QsHQT)

182 Well, it's too late to boycott the Olympics or dim the National Christmas Tree...so now what?

Posted by: tu3031 at February 28, 2014 02:10 PM (yv+63)

183 fcol Ukrainians should tell the WH the teaparty is invading.

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2014 02:10 PM (nqBYe)

184 This is all the fault of tea partiers and Republicans. They’re not going to let Obama have a third term. This means anyone who wants to invade another country needs to do it now, while there’s still a peace-loving President ready to respond in a civilized manner.

Posted by: Stephen Price Blair at February 28, 2014 02:10 PM (WX3R9)

185 172 The UK would have to be terminally insane to even consider fighting a land war with the Russians in the Crimea. They have a good track record. The trouble is it won't stay in the Crimea. Nukes will start to fly.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 28, 2014 02:11 PM (ihCPW)

186 That's artillery and not tanks by the way, but close enough for CNN.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 28, 2014 02:11 PM (hn70M)

187 Seriously, nobody played Risk over there?

Posted by: blaster at February 28, 2014 02:11 PM (4+AaH)

188 If Russia takes Ukraine, I expect Poland goes to war. From there, a general European war develops. I cannot believe Poland want to tolerate a common border with Russia again.

Posted by: Blake at February 28, 2014 02:11 PM (WuGBT)

189 170 Russia totally and completely avoided or fooled our SIGINT capabilities. How did they do that? They know Biden's password is "1234". Posted by: andycanuck at February 28, 2014 07:08 PM (hn5v5) *********** That's bullshit!! It's CHOO CHOOS

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 28, 2014 02:11 PM (RJMhd)

190 27 Fuck, this is awful.

God damn Clinton.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 28, 2014 06:39 PM (ihCPW)


I never hated a president so much as I did Bill Clinton until this current fuck came along. 


Jimmy carter was an idiot, Johnson was a slime, but Bill Clinton was the first time we actually had cowardly gutter trash running the country.


And then Barry comes along and makes Clinton look respectable.



Posted by: D-Lamp at February 28, 2014 02:12 PM (XnALK)

191
Russia might invade Ukraine if Obama wins, Palin warns
Blake Hounshell OCT 22, 2008 Foreign Policy

"As we've said before, this is an extremely far-fetched scenario. "

Blake Hounshell managing editor at Foreign Policy

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 28, 2014 02:13 PM (kdS6q)

192

149 Whoaaaa ... CNN's take on the Palin I-Told-You-So

 

 

Things are getting serious, White House dudes.

 

 

LINK: http://preview.tinyurl.com/mxc52md [/i]

 

 

Wow.

And they even mention the irony of Tina Fey's parody of her, saying:

"I can see Russia from my house."

 

Hahaha...fuck you, Tina Fey.

 

Posted by: wheatie at February 28, 2014 02:13 PM (QsHQT)

193 Wow.  First the targets on the map telling people to shoot Gabbie Giffords, now she's giving invasion advice to Putin.  Is there no limit to Palin's evil?

Posted by: MSNBC at February 28, 2014 02:13 PM (2jQGY)

194

Barky's team has screwed the pooch on this  one.

 

I would have liked to see  the Ukraine one day and smile at the pretty,   buxomy girls.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 28, 2014 02:13 PM (BAS5M)

195 On the one hand, it is depressing that 25 years after the cold war "ended" we are still at loggerheads with the Russians--on the other hand, at least Armageddon might still have that wonderful Slavic soundtrack after all.

Cue Prokofiev's Battle on the Ice.....

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 28, 2014 02:13 PM (P/gm7)

196 brb, complainin people hate me cuz Iz black

Posted by: lolobama at February 28, 2014 02:14 PM (mbm6i)

197 Can't we send some more gay athletes over with a strongly worded letter or something? Obama missed an opportunity to challenge Putin on foreign policy by concentrating on 'gay rights' instead. Idiot.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 28, 2014 02:14 PM (l3vZN)

198

Posted by: IrishEd at February 28, 2014 07:07 PM (bfm04)

 

If it goes nuclear splodey, expect to be called up and report.  Unless you live in a major metro area.  If so, they might try to call you up, but will give exemptions for those of you reduced to radioactive plasma.

 

Posted by: rd at February 28, 2014 02:14 PM (D+lxs)

199 so who's running the show at the Pentagon at this point? are there any alarm bells going off?

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2014 02:14 PM (nqBYe)

200 This proves that the blog is better than me and most everyone else. It's impressive that anyone here cares about the Ukraine and the Crimea. And not just cares, but also goes and looks into the matter.

Posted by: L, elle at February 28, 2014 02:14 PM (hRNoZ)

201 Pretty safe bet if Russia takes Crimea, PRC takes Taiwan.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 28, 2014 02:15 PM (6GRz5)

202
We're now on the airfield drinking Vodka and looking for the hookers.  Not looking to pay for sex, we only want free pussy. 

Posted by: Vlads Storm Troopers at February 28, 2014 02:15 PM (nQjHM)

203 167 Really, who didn't see any of this coming? I'm not talking about the Ukraine specifically; rather, Obama's absolute fecklessness, weakness of character, lack of geopolitical savvy, and all-around ineptitude resulting in a bad guy making bull moves he wouldn't otherwise make if our country had a leader worthy of the name. He's even worse than Jimmy Carter. Carter, for his part, called the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan an 'invasion', and neither did he renounce the Monroe Doctrine.

Posted by: Zombie Neville Chamberlain at February 28, 2014 07:08 PM (V9ol4)


There are consequences to allowing Fucking Democrats who totally control the sources of mass Information to elect a complete fucking idiot. 


One party control of the media is how we got here people. 




Posted by: D-Lamp at February 28, 2014 02:15 PM (XnALK)

204
Well, it's too late to boycott the Olympics
Posted by: tu3031



The Russians seem to have not been intimidated by our Olympic strike force of effeminate ice dance commentators.

Do they not fear death?

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 28, 2014 02:15 PM (kdS6q)

205 I'm pretty sure we have a treaty that says we aid the UK in a war.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at February 28, 2014 02:15 PM (9eDbm)

206 I wonder if the Turks have any of those stone cannonballs left over from WWI? I wonder if we'll find out.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at February 28, 2014 02:16 PM (l3vZN)

207 L'Elle well many of us grew up glaring at the Bear, and running to alrams and hiding under our desks and hoping not to be kissing our asses goodbye

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2014 02:16 PM (nqBYe)

208 @204 what would Brian Boitano do?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at February 28, 2014 02:16 PM (9eDbm)

209 We ought to be fixin to keep the House and *take* the Senate.

Posted by: Soothsayer at February 28, 2014 02:18 PM (mbm6i)

210 The new Ukrainian leadership has to be considering giving them the Crimea. If they try to fight for it they may lose the entire country. Nobody is coming to save them. They'll have to feed the bear their arm and hope he's full for a while.

Posted by: kartoffel at February 28, 2014 02:18 PM (1zhvB)

211 so who's running the show at the Pentagon at this point?

Is that the phone ringing?

Posted by: The Maytag Repairman at February 28, 2014 02:18 PM (Dwehj)

212 @207 L'Elle well many of us grew up glaring at the Bear, and running to alrams and hiding under our desks and hoping not to be kissing our asses goodbye

Ahhhh, so that's why they told us to put our heads between our legs during the drill.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at February 28, 2014 02:18 PM (9eDbm)

213
what would Brian Boitano do?
Posted by: Chairman LMAO



I'm sure he'd kick an ass or two,
That's what Brian Boitano'd do.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at February 28, 2014 02:18 PM (kdS6q)

214 anywayy so China Iran and Russia hanging out , Cuba, where's India at this point?

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2014 02:19 PM (nqBYe)

215 How can we view this crisis from a feminist perspective?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 28, 2014 02:19 PM (kNqmp)

216

199 so who's running the show at the Pentagon at this point?
are there any alarm bells going off?

 

Alarm bells?

They probably turned those off, willow...as part of 'budget cuts'.

Posted by: wheatie at February 28, 2014 02:19 PM (QsHQT)

217 Chairman, a Desk for g-ds sake. yeah that will save us!

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2014 02:19 PM (nqBYe)

218
Anyone know any black Ukranian fuck jokes?

Posted by: Wanda Sykes at February 28, 2014 02:19 PM (nQjHM)

219 Great. Just great.

Posted by: toby928 at February 28, 2014 02:20 PM (QupBk)

220 wheatie, or perhaps all the mens cronies have taken it over

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2014 02:20 PM (nqBYe)

221 what would Brian Boitano do?

Posted by: Chairman LMAO


Look for investors for a production of Perfect Strangers on Ice?

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i][/b] at February 28, 2014 02:20 PM (uctT+)

222

Fasten your seatbelts, it's going to be a bumpy weekend.

 

 

Gee, I wonder what the markets will do 9am  EST  Monday morning?  How many hundred-point increments lower will it open before plunging?

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 28, 2014 02:21 PM (BAS5M)

223 I was going to make a joke about all the toppled Lenin statues being put up in Crimea, but at this point it may actually be happening.

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 28, 2014 02:21 PM (SUKHu)

224 215 Our Feminist in Chief has viewed it and found it icky. So, they made up another word for invasion and went to Happy Hour.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 28, 2014 02:21 PM (ojnk6)

225 Pretty sure the Kochs are bankrolling this whole thing.

Some.  Nitwit.  Will.  Say.  Or.  Has.  Already.  Said.  This.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 28, 2014 02:21 PM (kNqmp)

226 Look!  Over there!  A squirrel! Oh! And there! Another squirrel!

Posted by: Dishonest Cockholsters in the MFM at February 28, 2014 02:21 PM (xiXna)

227 Those drinks I ordered from the waitress.... arrived uncontested.>>

But did the Waitress leave unmolested?

Posted by: The Hickster at February 28, 2014 02:22 PM (TI3xG)

228 Fuck a Ukraine. I just finished the last episode of Breaking Bad. No spoilers, but that was a pretty intense 8 episodes. One episode in particular was probably the most intense 45 minutes of TV I've seen since the best episodes of Sopranos, ,maybe better.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 28, 2014 02:22 PM (ZshNr)

229 I think we finally have an issue that Hadji the Jihadist Comic can't joke about, unfortunately.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at February 28, 2014 02:22 PM (9eDbm)

230 So Johnny Weir wears a dress in Sochi to show Vlad what's what,  and the Russkies send tanks to Crimea.  Awesome.

Posted by: mrp at February 28, 2014 02:22 PM (JBggj)

231 Predictable future left-wing conspiracy theory -- defense companies got Russia to pull this little mini-invasion to undercut Obama's defense cut. Swear I've already seen some nutters claim Blackwater is behind this.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 02:22 PM (ZPrif)

232 I don't think there will be any real panic in Wall Street because none of them are fool enough to think that President Obama will even consider a war or fighting Russia.
Russia wants that oil and to control that area, they have ALWAYS wanted to control that area. Several wars have been fought to stop Russia from just taking it, and they've never, ever given up the idea.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at February 28, 2014 02:23 PM (zfY+H)

233 MATT DAMON!!

Posted by: MATT DAMON!! at February 28, 2014 02:23 PM (hn70M)

234 Does this have anything to do with that gay linebacker and where he gets drafted?? If not, whats the big deal?

Posted by: ESPN at February 28, 2014 02:23 PM (15w2J)

235 Hey look! I got a double eagle! // Bronk O'bama America's Golf Pro & the world's cruise activity director

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 02:23 PM (TE35l)

236
Vlad has become the Jimmah Cartah of Russia. 

Posted by: Dimetri Yackoff at February 28, 2014 02:23 PM (nQjHM)

237 Too late to skip the Olympics, Obama announces he will skip breakfast.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 02:24 PM (ZPrif)

238 Didn't  British and French had a treaty with Poland at one time also.

Posted by: deepred at February 28, 2014 02:24 PM (RHYM4)

239 >>>>The Russians seem to have not been intimidated by our Olympic strike force of effeminate ice dance commentators.<<<<

Yeah, what our betters in the media got for their pro-gay activist Olympics coverage was a Pussy Riot girl flogged in the street by Cossacks.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 28, 2014 02:24 PM (P/gm7)

240

190...Jimmy carter was an idiot, Johnson was a slime, but Bill Clinton was the first time we actually had cowardly gutter trash running the country.

 

 

And then Barry comes along and makes Clinton look respectable.

 

 

I remember telling my kids, after Barky was elected the first time...

"We will be lucky if he is only as bad as Jimmy Carter."

 

They didn't understand what I was saying.

They do now.

 

Posted by: wheatie at February 28, 2014 02:24 PM (QsHQT)

241 Posted by: Lincolntf

Good to know, I got the last 8 episodes recorded.

Posted by: MATT DAMON!! at February 28, 2014 02:24 PM (hn70M)

242 So that illiterate snowbilly Palin's predictions have all come true and the Super Genius Biden who is an expert on foreign policy is a complete and utter dumbass?

Who would've guessed that?

Posted by: Cheri at February 28, 2014 02:25 PM (VDGzf)

243 "The End of History" hardest hit. As Putin is the only serious player now, what will he do? Crimea certainly. Eastern provinces next. Will he go for the Ukranian speaking West? If so, escalation would seem inevitable but for Obama's dithering. So why not go for the whole thing? Which would leave Poland and Russia at loggerheads, again.

Posted by: Beagle at February 28, 2014 02:25 PM (WB3IB)

244 This isn't news worthy

Posted by: Sarah Kliff at February 28, 2014 02:25 PM (F58x4)

245 190...Jimmy carter was an idiot, Johnson was a slime, but Bill Clinton was the first time we actually had cowardly gutter trash running the country.

I would trade straight up for the entire Johnson Administration including Robert Effing McNamara right now. 


Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 28, 2014 02:26 PM (kNqmp)

246 198 rd, Go long on Coppertone futures.... SPF 15,000

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 02:26 PM (TE35l)

247 Russians have decades of experience avoiding / spoofing SIGINT and overheads. What was Putin's job back in Soviet times, again ?

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 28, 2014 02:26 PM (SwHqo)

248 Beagle if Putin can do it in 3 years , bye Poland

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2014 02:27 PM (nqBYe)

249

I would trade straight up for the entire Johnson Administration including Robert Effing McNamara right now.


They were serious men, wrong headed, but serious.

Posted by: puddleglum at February 28, 2014 02:27 PM (15w2J)

250
I would trade straight up for the entire Johnson Administration including Robert Effing McNamara right now.


Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 28, 2014 07:26 PM
====
AND Bob McNamara?  Man, I'll have to really think about that one.

Posted by: mrp at February 28, 2014 02:27 PM (JBggj)

251 Turns out, not only can Sarah Palin see Russia from her house, see can see the Ukraine, too. Damn bitch has high-powered wolf-hunting snowbilly googles, I tells ya.

Posted by: zombie at February 28, 2014 02:28 PM (mizYg)

252 Beagle if Putin can do it in 3 years , bye Poland

Poland is a NATO member.  Nyet.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 28, 2014 02:28 PM (kNqmp)

253 Shall... we... play ... a ... game?

Posted by: Joshua@NORAD at February 28, 2014 02:28 PM (9eDbm)

254 Oh, and my nickel says that Japan already has nukes, and has had them for years.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 28, 2014 02:28 PM (SwHqo)

255 AND Bob McNamara? Man, I'll have to really think about that one.

Two words:  Chuck.  Hagel.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 28, 2014 02:29 PM (kNqmp)

256 So that illiterate snowbilly Palin's predictions have all come true and the Super Genius Biden who is an expert on foreign policy is a complete and utter dumbass? Who would've guessed that? Posted by: Cheri at February 28, 2014 07:25 PM (VDGzf) Why is Biden always the one to call the leaders of other countries? Can't Barry find his crib notes?

Posted by: Jen at February 28, 2014 02:29 PM (XkXzn)

257 Yeah all of this os Snowden's fault.. No really

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 02:29 PM (TE35l)

258 254 They've had Nuc capability for years. It wouldn't take them long to put one together.

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 28, 2014 02:30 PM (ojnk6)

259

247...What was Putin's job back in Soviet times, again ?

 

Head of the KGB...wasn't he?

 

I've thought all along that Putin must have some really juicy dirt on Barky.

Barky has given him everything he wants, from the get go.

Posted by: wheatie at February 28, 2014 02:30 PM (QsHQT)

260 Putin ran the KGB, and only now do we learn that it stands for Kiss Glasnost Bye-Bye

Posted by: zombie at February 28, 2014 02:30 PM (mizYg)

261 Circa, so? see Europe standing up for Ukraine? They wanted the Deal that started this. another thing Didn't Libya get a deal to hand over what they had also?

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2014 02:30 PM (nqBYe)

262 242 So that illiterate snowbilly Palin's predictions have all come true and the Super Genius Biden who is an expert on foreign policy is a complete and utter dumbass?

Who would've guessed that?

Posted by: Cheri at February 28, 2014 07:25 PM (VDGzf)


If a sane man ever gets control of the levers of the Government, he needs to smash the existing media system to splinters. 


It is THOSE FUCKS who have so badly misled the nation with their biased lies and character attacks on better people than they. 


Both Barack and Biden aren't fit to watch a room full of rug rats let alone have anything to do with governance.  If not for the media being made up of Liberal Democrats, the nation might have gotten the truth about how stupid Barry and Biden were. 

Posted by: D-Lamp at February 28, 2014 02:30 PM (XnALK)

263 House of Cards next? Any other Netflix distraction suggestions? I've grown accustomed to having a show/movie running that I can tab over to when the news bores me, or more likely, pisses me off.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 28, 2014 02:30 PM (ZshNr)

264 @255 Chuck Hagel, Joe Biden.  Top men I tell you, top men.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at February 28, 2014 02:31 PM (9eDbm)

265 hagel. kerry. it's really quite unbelievable unless we didn't care about foreign policy strength how about weakening the military? all perfect timing Ukraine to go burning and Putin to the rescue (cough)

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2014 02:32 PM (nqBYe)

266 Kerry will come to our rescue by throwing his medals over the Kremlin fence.

Posted by: zombie at February 28, 2014 02:33 PM (mizYg)

267 Poland had such an understanding with Britain and France.

Germany, after Czechoslovakia, didn't think they would come to Poland's aid.  Plus a secret deal with Russia to divvy up Poland encouraged Germany.

Militarily they couldn't but still declared war on Germany.  And WWII.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 28, 2014 02:34 PM (Nmx3n)

268 257 Yeah all of this os Snowden's fault.. No really Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 07:29 PM (TE35l) ************* Who said that? Do you think Snowden going to Russia was helpful? Do you think Russia offered him asylum just for giggles?

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 28, 2014 02:34 PM (RJMhd)

269 259 I've thought all along that Putin must have some really juicy dirt on Barky. Barky has given him everything he wants, from the get go. Posted by: wheatie at February 28, 2014 07:30 PM (QsHQT) - and now we have to deal with the "flexibility" he promised Putin.

Posted by: RondinellaMamma at February 28, 2014 02:34 PM (EJ/Tn)

270 You know for a fact ubama, kegel, and herry will stab the Ukrainians in the back.

Posted by: Erowmero at February 28, 2014 02:34 PM (OONaw)

271 Denmark knows all about uncontested arrivals.

Posted by: SFGoth at February 28, 2014 02:35 PM (9CBig)

272 The prezzy needs a combination teleprompter/line drawing machine/clockradio/sweatervest!

Posted by: boned to the bone at February 28, 2014 02:35 PM (Ph479)

273 Would now be a good time to discuss why America needs to bring its undocumented alien population out of the shadows?

Posted by: John Boehner at February 28, 2014 02:35 PM (8ZskC)

274 The Budapest Memorandum sounds like a halfway decent mid-career John Le Carré novel.

Posted by: zombie at February 28, 2014 02:35 PM (mizYg)

275 34 Over/Under on when Japan announces that it has nukes? I'm giving it two years. Posted by: Colorado Alex at February 28, 2014 06:41 PM (lr3d7) I'd hurry if I were them.

Posted by: rickl at February 28, 2014 02:36 PM (sdi6R)

276 Putin doesn't have to have dirt on Obama... All Putin needs is skills of observation.

Posted by: tasker at February 28, 2014 02:36 PM (RJMhd)

277 In dictator news: Tom Nichols ‏@TheWarRoom_Tom Of course. RT @EmyShenawi: Washington: #Assad regime has arrested relatives of opposition peace talks team http://ara.tv/zfadp #Syria

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 02:38 PM (ZPrif)

278 I think I remember telling her - " Don't worry , I won't " uncontest arrive " in your mouth."

Posted by: BuilderDoug at February 28, 2014 02:38 PM (jOGo+)

279 Crimean War II: Nuclear Boogaloo? Now with less horses.

Posted by: Beagle at February 28, 2014 02:38 PM (WB3IB)

280 Hubby watched the ABC Nightly News this evening. Ukraine story covered for a few minutes, then second story was about Christie and bridgegate, same amount of time spent on that. The rest were feature stories. Glad to know nothing much going on in the world or in the nation.

Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at February 28, 2014 02:38 PM (/cUUk)

281 Sven, we are back to April 1975.  The solemn word of the United States is about as valuable as warm bucket of spit.

Thanks Democrats.  Rot in Hell.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 28, 2014 02:39 PM (Nmx3n)

282 It's possible two things are related....

Posted by: tasker at February 28, 2014 02:39 PM (RJMhd)

283 What's the old saying? If you're in a poker game and don't know who the patsy is, you're the patsy. Barack and Vladimir at a poker table...

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 28, 2014 02:39 PM (g4TxM)

284 Dear Rest of the World,

Most of us did not vote for him. We are as sorry as you are.

Signed,
America, No Longer #1 but does get a soccer trophy for happy hour


Dear Founding Fathers,
We are sorry. We did not vote for him. Mitt Romney was right.
Signed,
ChristyB

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Judge of Raciss Morons at February 28, 2014 02:39 PM (baL2B)

285 Putin ran the KGB, and only now do we learn that it stands for Kiss Glasnost Bye-Bye Posted by: zombie at February 28, 2014 07:30 PM (mizYg) "When I look into Putin eyes all I see is KBG." That's was a great line during my 2008 campaign. Seriously my friends, you've nothing to fear from this president.

Posted by: John McCain at February 28, 2014 02:39 PM (mETGQ)

286 259:  you assume that Putin would need dirt?   I think having elected someone who hated the U.S.  as POTUS, him giving our enemies everything they want just flowed from there. 

Posted by: palerider at February 28, 2014 02:39 PM (dkExz)

287 The Seattle Seahawks arrived uncontested at the Superbowl.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 28, 2014 02:40 PM (g4TxM)

288 Obama is huddling with Beyonce and Jay-Z to discuss the appropriate response.  In the meantime, Michelle and the pooches are shoveling Wagyu into their pieholes like a crazed fireman on a highballing steam locomotive.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at February 28, 2014 02:40 PM (8ZskC)

289 268 Joe Biden, I'm pretty sure Hollowpoint's Tourette's retweeting here of Snowden mania was saying it. Snowden is a symptom of why we suck and are undoing 1989. Ogabe decided spying on Americans who disagreed with him trumped NasA's historic mission. We lack national unity, and frankly I am all outta give a fuck just like Obammy.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 02:40 PM (TE35l)

290 Putin have dirt in Obama? No one here would even care. Never forget: John Kerry, our Secretary of State, went to Paris and met with North Vietnamese officials -- who were Soviet puppets at the time -- to devise ways to conspire to undermine the government of the United States. Bill Clinton, our ex-President, went to Moscow in 1969 as part of some anti-war junket from Oxford, and again got marching orders from the Kremlin. Our top Dems are utterly compromised, even before Obama. Whatever Putin has, no one in the US will care, sadly.

Posted by: zombie at February 28, 2014 02:40 PM (mizYg)

291 I'm having a really hard time keeping up with newspeak. So cis-gendered means you're straight, wars are overseas contingency operations, and invasions are uncontested arrivals? Do I have this right?

Posted by: MJ at February 28, 2014 02:41 PM (oari7)

292 I think for right now it's enough for Putin to secure the Crimea. They ain't risking that naval base. It would take something extraordinary, I think, for the Russians to invade Ukraine proper. I think Putin secures this area and then sets about doing what Russia does best: destabilizing the Ukrainian government in order to get another pro-Russian puppet in charge.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 28, 2014 02:41 PM (oFCZn)

293 Both Barack and Biden aren't fit to watch a room full of rug rats let alone have anything to do with governance. If not for the media being made up of Liberal Democrats, the nation might have gotten the truth about how stupid Barry and Biden were.
Posted by: D-Lamp

Exactly. 

Posted by: Cheri at February 28, 2014 02:41 PM (VDGzf)

294 I know it the 100th anniversary coming up but can you dial back a little?

Posted by: WWI at February 28, 2014 02:41 PM (mETGQ)

295 If you care about the UNITED STATES national security-- you would not want Snowden running off to Russia. That is not a good thing. Despite all the blind worship of Paulians.

Posted by: tasker at February 28, 2014 02:41 PM (RJMhd)

296 The Budapest Memorandum sounds like a halfway decent mid-career John Le Carré novel. Posted by: zombie at February 28, 2014 07:35 PM (mizYg) **** The Budapest Memorandum: Rise of the Magyars (the inevitable sequel)

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 28, 2014 02:42 PM (g4TxM)

297 The Man is a genius I tell ya. A Minneapolis light rail test train derailed shortly after President Obama lauded the expansion of the system, the Pioneer Press of St. Paul, Minn., reports. Obama touted the expansion of Minnesota’s Metro light rail system to St. Paul, which is scheduled to open in June, as an example for the nation to follow. Hours later, a train ran off the tracks.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 28, 2014 02:42 PM (E+uky)

298 And now there's no going back to Tough America until 2016. Feel the multipolar love.

Posted by: Feh at February 28, 2014 02:42 PM (g/zj9)

299 >>> And more gaffes from Republicans, circa 2008

I have said this before, but I'd be happy to aquiese to the left and dismiss the predictions from tea party conservative/libertarian pundits, such as Beck and Palin, if history and real life didn't have a pesky way of proving them right! It's like conservatism is based in the way the world actually works, or something.

Posted by: LizLem at February 28, 2014 02:43 PM (BF+2f)

300 258: Exactly. Understandably, Japan has a certain ambivalence about nuclear weapons, but is also really good at strategic thinking so it makes sense to me that they would make a few on the black budget and say nothing to nobody about it. 259: Well, that's an interesting thought you have there. Wouldn't surprise me if you were right. (not much would surprise me these days ....) My point was more that Putin was trained in the era when pulling the wool over foreign intelligence agency eyes was a commonplace, everyday activity, thus our SIGINT analysis saw nothing.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 28, 2014 02:43 PM (SwHqo)

301 Wait until Putin trots out the legitimately elected Ukraine President, and he says that he authorized the presence of the Russian troops in the Crimea. Doh!

Posted by: Stirner at February 28, 2014 02:43 PM (l1p2K)

302 sounds like the Ukrainian people should have paid more attention to Animal House:

you fucked up: you trusted us.

suckers...

Posted by: redc1c4 at February 28, 2014 02:43 PM (q+fqH)

303 "253 Shall... we... play ... a ... game? Posted by: Joshua@NORAD at February 28, 2014 07:28 PM (9eDbm) " ---- Global Thermal Nuclear War sounds bad, can we play Mr. Potatohead and look for backdoors instead?

Posted by: ThisBeingMilt at February 28, 2014 02:43 PM (7mQyC)

304 Obama touted the expansion of Minnesota’s Metro light rail system to St. Paul, which is scheduled to open in June, as an example for the nation to follow. Hours later, a train ran off the tracks.

Hmm. I sense a pattern here.

Posted by: Solyndra at February 28, 2014 02:43 PM (8ZskC)

305 Things could get even crazier tonight. John Schindler ‏@20committee #Ukraine MoD says "radical forces" will attempt to disarm its forces in Crimea 0200-0500L, implies will resist - Interfax CC @andrewmichta

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 02:43 PM (ZPrif)

306 281 Anna Puma, Yup if you need some treaty busting cowardice brand d is the key. Difference now is I don't give a fuck. You wanted a balless America world? Enjoy

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 02:44 PM (TE35l)

307 So far Ukraine forces have retreated.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 02:44 PM (ZPrif)

308 I would not mind another Charge of the Light Brigade if Samantha Powers and Chuck Hagel were leading the charge themselves.

Charlie Rangel and others wanted to bring the draft back.  They just may have to if this spins completely out of control and they get Reggie Love's Wee-wee in a Russian crack.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 28, 2014 02:44 PM (Nmx3n)

309 In before Hector?

Posted by: Adam at February 28, 2014 02:44 PM (Aif/5)

310 So cis-gendered means you're straight, wars are overseas contingency operations, and invasions are uncontested arrivals? Do I have this right?
And religious rights bills are antigay bills.

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at February 28, 2014 02:45 PM (hn5v5)

311 From the odd timing file: Gulf I ended on this day in 1991; Casablanca is on TCM tonight at 8 pm.

Posted by: Retread at February 28, 2014 02:45 PM (cHwk5)

312 The legality of this treaty is of no importance. Our friends and our enemies will see whether we can be trusted.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 28, 2014 02:45 PM (E+uky)

313 We do not have a defense treaty with Ukraine... EU, however, does have a Military cooperation agreement... EU is part of NATO. Poland is part of NATO. Poland has ties with Ukraine... and sits on their border. That's the more plausible way we get pulled in...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 28, 2014 02:45 PM (84gbM)

314 @292 Or reinstall the old one. That sounds right to me. I would not rule out Putin taking the Russian speaking East. At a minimum arm them and encourage secession.

Posted by: Beagle at February 28, 2014 02:45 PM (WB3IB)

315 Ukrainian Updates ‏@Ukroblogger #Russian ultimatum: #Ukrainian troops in #Crimea must leave bases by 2am local time (2:37 now) - via HromadskeTV MT @appleip3 @RealAndrij

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 02:46 PM (ZPrif)

316 294 I know it the 100th anniversary coming up but can you dial back a little? Posted by: WWI August is just a few months away.

Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at February 28, 2014 02:46 PM (/cUUk)

317 If you care about the UNITED STATES national security-- you would not want Snowden running off to Russia. That is not a good thing. Despite all the blind worship of Paulians. Posted by: tasker at February 28, 2014 07:41 PM (RJMhd) But if you care about American FREEDOM... you may come up with a different answer.

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 28, 2014 02:47 PM (84gbM)

318 tasker, I can love my country and hate that snowden is in Russia , but be grateful I now know the govt thinks spying on me is ITS duty. while pasing on information that would have given them the Boston bombing guys

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2014 02:47 PM (nqBYe)

319 280 Hubby watched the ABC Nightly News this evening. Ukraine story covered for a few minutes, then second story was about Christie and bridgegate, same amount of time spent on that. The rest were feature stories. Glad to know nothing much going on in the world or in the nation. Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at February 28, 2014 07:38 PM (/cUUk)

The late night comics cannot let Rob Ford go, STILL. Jokes about him every night it seems. You'd think there was enough new dumb stuff to make fun of, but no, like a dog with a bone they keep chewing on the same old stuff.

Posted by: LizLem at February 28, 2014 02:47 PM (BF+2f)

320 Cross Dressing is not a Crimea!

Posted by: Johnny Wier at February 28, 2014 02:47 PM (wYbp+)

321 I'm drawing a line. Syriasly.

Posted by: Obama at February 28, 2014 02:48 PM (/cUUk)

322 Re Snowden: From the beginning, I've had the suspicion that he was somehow "allowed" to escape to Russia with all those secrets. How did a young contractor get access to all that information in the first place? Have heads been rolling at the NSA? If they have, I haven't heard about it. The whole thing stinks to high heaven.

Posted by: rickl at February 28, 2014 02:48 PM (sdi6R)

323 295 Tasker, Tasker I could give three fucks about Snowden. The Motherfuckrer in the White House thinks the Tea Party is where Int assets should focus. I am to the point I want national divorce more than a sane America back. I've seen this movie before in Vietnamese, I hate the American Democrat more than the Russian. and I'm a Luap Nor Paultard now? Bwahaha

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 02:48 PM (TE35l)

324 But this can't be happening! History is over!!!

Posted by: francis f-u-kuyama at February 28, 2014 02:48 PM (hn5v5)

325 Did Cankles drop the soap in the sidebar?

Posted by: UWP at February 28, 2014 02:48 PM (KAmBO)

326 291 I'm having a really hard time keeping up with newspeak. So cis-gendered means you're straight, wars are overseas contingency operations, and invasions are uncontested arrivals? Do I have this right?
Posted by: MJ at February 28, 2014 07:41 PM (oari7)


It's euphemisms all the way down.

Posted by: LizLem at February 28, 2014 02:49 PM (BF+2f)

327 This has me totally disgusted. Not that I wasn't before! But, as a world power, ugh. Our word means nothing. I am not ashamed of our military but am ashamed of those buffoons in the WH, State Dept and the ignorant people who elected them. Shame on you all for deserting an ally.

Meanwhile, this grinning jackass toasts happy hour while people die and cities are torched. Great backdrop, Barry!

Dammit, what is it going to take? Harry Reid lying about Obamacare. What will finally, finally be the last effing straw for the media to tell the people what is going on??!? ugh. Back to my weird book.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Judge of Raciss Morons at February 28, 2014 02:49 PM (baL2B)

328 There was a fella on FNC a couple of days ago who said that Putin isn't looking to rebuild the Soviet Union, he's looking to build a czarist empire. If someone doesn't stop him now, he will be emboldened, and there's no telling what he might try.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 28, 2014 02:49 PM (DmNpO)

329 So much nicer when we were considered cowboys with swagger. Now what are we?

Posted by: RWC at February 28, 2014 02:49 PM (MtC8f)

330 I'm pretty sure Hollowpoint's Tourette's retweeting here of Snowden mania was saying it. I have no idea what you're talking about, duder.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 28, 2014 02:49 PM (X9Mnx)

331 320 Cross Dressing is not a Crimea! Posted by: Johnny Wier Crimea River.

Posted by: Putin on the Blitz at February 28, 2014 02:49 PM (/cUUk)

332 Have a lot of respect for you guys but Snowden running of to Russia is starting to look like more bad than good. And I have this damn thing about coincidences.

Posted by: tasker at February 28, 2014 02:49 PM (RJMhd)

333 I bet Rand Paul wishes he'd known of this a week ago.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at February 28, 2014 02:50 PM (5xmd7)

334 Tonight could go very bad in Ukraine. I feel for the people there. Ukrainian forces are massively overpowered. General thought is Russia is trying to provoke a fight, so they can establish an official protective zone. By that logic Russia is trying to avoid shooting first. But being a bully, getting in faces, humiliating Ukrainian forces until they draw first blood.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 02:50 PM (ZPrif)

335 You know what we should be talkin about ..Free BC!

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2014 02:50 PM (nqBYe)

336 I have it on excellent authority that Obama told the Ukraine,

"I have good news and bad news.  The bad news is... well...  You know that treaty...  Probably not gonna happen.  But the good news is;  You can keep your insurance!"

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb at February 28, 2014 02:50 PM (BZAd3)

337 So much nicer when we were considered cowboys with swagger. Now what are we? Posted by: RWC at February 28, 2014 07:49 PM (MtC8f) Pussies in mom jeans.

Posted by: Jen at February 28, 2014 02:50 PM (XkXzn)

338 romeo13 & willow, thanks, that's just about what I was getting ready to write.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at February 28, 2014 02:50 PM (SwHqo)

339 329 So much nicer when we were considered cowboys with swagger. Now what are we? Posted by: RWC Brokeback Mountain?

Posted by: Dale Evans at February 28, 2014 02:50 PM (/cUUk)

340 Have a lot of respect for you guys but Snowden running of to Russia is starting to look like more bad than good.

By which you mean the NSA decision to spy on us was really, really stupid, right?

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 28, 2014 02:50 PM (uhAkr)

341 Obama has done far more damage to US national security than Snowden ever could.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 28, 2014 02:50 PM (P/gm7)

342 329 Mom jeans that swish?

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 28, 2014 02:50 PM (ojnk6)

343 Damned if it doesn't parrallell some 20th century history almost exactly...

Posted by: steevy at February 28, 2014 02:51 PM (zqvg6)

344 The State Dept's new theme song: Red Line Fever Red line fever, a sickness born Down deep within my soul Red line fever, the years keep flyin' by Like the Ukrainians and poles with apologies to Merle Haggard

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 28, 2014 02:51 PM (g4TxM)

345 \m/ Party like it's 1854 \m/: http://tinyurl.com/lcwqt7

Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard at February 28, 2014 02:52 PM (DB1vy)

346 317 Romeo 13, Yup. Democrats undermined us most of my life as a matter of "conscience" Fuck that...make mine freedom

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 02:52 PM (TE35l)

347 Crimea River. Posted by: Putin on the Blitz Nice. And the name of that river, as of today, is the Rubicon.

Posted by: zombie at February 28, 2014 02:52 PM (mizYg)

348 323 295 Tasker, Tasker I could give three fucks about Snowden. The Motherfuckrer in the White House thinks the Tea Party is where Int assets should focus. I am to the point I want national divorce more than a sane America back. I've seen this movie before in Vietnamese, I hate the American Democrat more than the Russian. and I'm a Luap Nor Paultard now? Bwahaha Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 07:48 PM (TE35l) ******** Na--not calling you a Paulian. But Paulian Youths do worship Snowden and that person should have looked off as soon as he started preaching about the freedom of speech in China. Looks now like he went on a certain sale trip. Russia might have won the bidding war.

Posted by: tasker at February 28, 2014 02:52 PM (RJMhd)

349 340 Bevel L, What unity? Exactly...fuck Obama I will use any event to attack him just like them and Bush

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 02:54 PM (TE35l)

350 329 We are considered to be gutless idiots.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at February 28, 2014 02:54 PM (Q8vlx)

351

306... I don't give a fuck.

 

Posted by: sven10077

 

 

Got it, sven...you've only said this, like, a hundred times.

Message received, loud and clear.

 

I'm sorry you're feeling bad, but sheesh.

If you really "don't give a fuck" then why do you keep commenting?

To infect others with your depression?

 

Personally, I do 'give a fuck'.

And I suspect a lot of my other fellow Americans still do, as well.

 

Posted by: wheatie at February 28, 2014 02:54 PM (QsHQT)

352 'If indeed this is a Russian invasion of Crimea and if we do conclude the [Budapest] Memorandum is legally binding then it's very difficult to avoid the conclusion that we're going to go to war with Russia'. ****** I reject the idea that a treaty or international law means that we are legally required to go to war.

Posted by: Taco Shack at February 28, 2014 02:54 PM (C+qQ0)

353 So much nicer when we were considered cowboys with swagger. Now what are we? Posted by: RWC I'm sure the world now luv's us.

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2014 02:54 PM (nqBYe)

354 It's Happy Hour for us too, bitchez!

Posted by: Chinese Military at February 28, 2014 02:54 PM (PNoGT)

355 On the bright side, the last time there was a big war in the Crimea, it gave the world two new professions: Nursing Photojournalism (Seriously.) I think the two new professions this time will be: Politically impotent American president Czar 2.0

Posted by: zombie at February 28, 2014 02:55 PM (mizYg)

356 Maybe I should go and read my copy of the Island of Crimea.
http://tinyurl.com/mhbexdv

It might make sense now.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 28, 2014 02:55 PM (Nmx3n)

357 352 I reject the idea that a treaty or international law means that we are legally required to go to war. Posted by: Taco Shack at February 28, 2014 07:54 PM (C+qQ0) Yeah, WWI should have taught us that was a bad idea.

Posted by: rickl at February 28, 2014 02:56 PM (sdi6R)

358 Let's talk about nutrition.

Posted by: First Lady 404 at February 28, 2014 02:56 PM (Dwehj)

359 330 Hollowpoint, You weren't posting anti-snowden shit around 1500 today? Ok my bad.... *eyeroll* Throw Ogabe a lifeline as you will but be proud of your post output bud

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 02:57 PM (TE35l)

360 Whelp, time to build nukes. We're gonna need them cuz- It's Happy Hour

Posted by: The Japanese at February 28, 2014 02:57 PM (PNoGT)

361 If Snowden didn't spill his guts to Vlad, Prezzy 404 would have. He's more flexible now.

Posted by: Chavez the Hugo at February 28, 2014 02:57 PM (Q8vlx)

362 I'm sure the world now luv's us. Posted by: willow at February 28, 2014 07:54 PM (nqBYe) I loved the kids that gave me their lunch money without a fight as well. (Kidding. Never a bully. )

Posted by: RWC at February 28, 2014 02:57 PM (MtC8f)

363 On the one hand, it is depressing that 25 years after the cold war "ended" we are still at loggerheads with the Russians--on the other hand, at least Armageddon might still have that wonderful Slavic soundtrack after all. Cue Prokofiev's Battle on the Ice..... - I'm thinking retitled the 1812 Overture the 2014 Overture and replace the cannon with nuclear weapons.

Posted by: WalrusRex at February 28, 2014 02:58 PM (E+uky)

364 I'm so angry I feel sick.

Posted by: Dianna at February 28, 2014 02:58 PM (U+EnY)

365 345 Party like it's 1854 Posted by: ol_dirty_/b/tard Why is all the humor (all the good humor) now on our side, while the left is utterly flaccid and grim in the humor department? Not long ago, that was considered their long suit, while conservatives were humorless old coots. When did the flip happen? Anyway, I'm glad to be on Team Funny.

Posted by: zombie at February 28, 2014 02:58 PM (mizYg)

366 351 306... I don't give a fuck. Posted by: sven10077 Oh, yeah? Well I don't give a frenchman's fuck or a rat's tookis.

Posted by: the cockeyed cynic at February 28, 2014 02:59 PM (/cUUk)

367 " President Mom Jeans pulled up the high waters and cinched that elastic waistband tight , and told Putin what for today. He is so commanding, and tough. and dreamy . . . " CNBC 's lead story for the next few days.

Posted by: BuilderDoug at February 28, 2014 02:59 PM (jOGo+)

368 hands Dianna a drink and an aspirin bottle

Posted by: willow at February 28, 2014 02:59 PM (nqBYe)

369 Nood

Posted by: ManWithNoParty at February 28, 2014 03:00 PM (ojnk6)

370 Prokofiev's Battle on the Ice?

Well the Russian forces under Nevsky win in part because the Teutonic Knights in their heavy armor break through the ice and drown.

Is there a metaphor here you trying to pass on?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at February 28, 2014 03:00 PM (Nmx3n)

371 The last two times there was a madman trying to expand in Europe, the Russian winter stopped him.

Somehow I don't think that's going to work this time.  Although he does tend to walk around shirtless...

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 28, 2014 03:01 PM (uhAkr)

372 CNN prolly salivating at a possible late inning rally about now.

Posted by: News R Us at February 28, 2014 03:01 PM (IvKTt)

373 351 wheatie, The fuck I am lacking is this idea that like a Hollywood flick all this is on snowden or I somehow have to back Mocha Jesud b/c "America" when I am pretty sure that ONLY applies when a (-d) sits at the Big Chair. I bit the pillow during the Beijing Billy era...Donkey never did under Bush. Well correction we had unity for about 7 hours 41 minutes one evening in September Bush's first year. We have a fucking efette closeted communist in office. Unity is three doors down.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 28, 2014 03:02 PM (TE35l)

374 It's not a treaty, it's a tax. Which means we have to go to war. Or not. Whatever Obama wants to do is pretty much cool with me.

Posted by: Justice Roberts at February 28, 2014 03:02 PM (HzhBE)

375 At least according to wiki, Ukraine does not have a very large ground force component. Or air force for that matter.

I do believe they will fight though. Memories of The UPA and all that.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/klqg3sq


Posted by: GMB who is anti everything at February 28, 2014 03:02 PM (nkPV9)

376 >>>>Czar 2.0<<<<

Bozhe Tsarya Khrani!

We are boned......

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 28, 2014 03:02 PM (P/gm7)

377 If only Michelle liked chowing down on cabbage rolls and borscht.

Posted by: Northernlurker, moron wannabe at February 28, 2014 03:03 PM (TZTZe)

378 The flagship of the 6th Fleet has been in the Black Sea for 2 weeks didnt anyone notice?

Posted by: righter at February 28, 2014 03:04 PM (LunGy)

379 #365 Their PC stance detracts from humor, deflates it. Anger and self-righteousness does not make for good humor or truly biting wit-- vitriolic snark and put-downs, but not humor. Carlin became increasingly angry in old age and oddly, his humor lost its edge. He spent a lot of time merely ranting. Comedy requires one to step back a bit, it requires some distance, a sense of irony. Earnestness and fervor are not the ingredients of good satire or humor.

Posted by: Semi-engaged scroller at February 28, 2014 03:05 PM (/cUUk)

380 Hollowpoint, You weren't posting anti-snowden shit around 1500 today? Nope. I consider him a traitor, but haven't commented about him in weeks.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 28, 2014 03:06 PM (X9Mnx)

381 >>>>Is there a metaphor here you trying to pass on?<<<<

I was just thinking of the slow-building ominous barbaric nature of the piece really.  "Dance of the Pagan Monster" would work too.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at February 28, 2014 03:08 PM (P/gm7)

382 @ 327 Yah. First we refuse to smash the people who bombed on NYC and DC, and now we won't lift a finger to help Ukraine. Putin can't take a hit. He can't look like Yeltsin. His primary strategic objective is preserving the invulnerability of the new Russian Army, which is a hell of a weakness to take into war. As we won't win for ourselves, and we won't fight for others, what good are we? I think by 2015 Turkey will just throw us out.

Posted by: Chris_Balsz at February 28, 2014 03:08 PM (5xmd7)

383 378 The flagship of the 6th Fleet has been in the Black Sea for 2 weeks didnt anyone notice?

Posted by: righter at February 28, 2014 08:04 PM (LunGy)


Due to Sochi?

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, Judge of Raciss Morons at February 28, 2014 03:09 PM (baL2B)

384 They also pledged that none of them would ever use economic coercion to subordinate Ukraine to their own interest.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at February 28, 2014 06:41 PM (ZPrif)
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Sorry, late to the thread, but I think this line right here would give Putin the cover to move. He could say that the EU was using economic coercion to sway the Ukraine.

Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at February 28, 2014 03:12 PM (vVSOO)

385 I was wrong about the Poles getting M1's. They are are getting Leopard 2A4's. Not a bad MBT at all.

Posted by: GMB who is anti everything at February 28, 2014 03:15 PM (nkPV9)

386 In case no one else has pointed it out, take a good look at what happens if you ever surrender the means to defend yourself. What is true of nations is true of the individual.

Posted by: Methos at February 28, 2014 03:17 PM (hO9ad)

387 So now illegal immigrants can be 'uncontested arrivals'.  oookay

Posted by: NCwoof at February 28, 2014 03:24 PM (aUQgu)

388 If the Ukrainians don't fight, I would be surprised. If the Poles don't get involved once the first shot is fired, I would be surprised once again.

They know just what a pledge of protection from a "decadent western democracy" is worth.

This probably all could be stopped with the deployment of one Air Mobile Brigade from a NATO country had still had any will.

Posted by: GMB who is anti everything at February 28, 2014 03:25 PM (nkPV9)

389 I just got home, so I'm sorry I missed the chance to apply thoughts during the discussion. I will therefore append them here at its end: FUCKITY FUCK FUCKING FUCK FUCK.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith[/i] [/b] [/s] [/u] at February 28, 2014 03:26 PM (qyfb5)

390 Just getting to threads, long day. Reading this I just shake my head, yes bill maher Sarah plain is a dumb c%#t. All you fcuking lefties piss off & die

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at February 28, 2014 03:27 PM (HVff2)

391 "The cold war has been over for twenty years." From the third Obama/Romney debate. Posted by: obama at February 28, 2014 06:45 PM (WCnJW) You know Romney isn't just being proven right that Russia is a great threat. My wife just reminded me Romney mentioned the terrorists in Mali. After weeks of obfuscation by the O regime w/ that video crap, it was eventually learned the probable leader leader of the attack was from a group that originated in Mali. Too bad America didn't listen and had to learn the hard way that Romney was miles ahead on these things, but bought Obama's BS.

Posted by: The Farmer at February 28, 2014 03:27 PM (eBupg)

392 Look, if Obama's not honoring the agreement, then we shouldn't keep Ukraine's nukes. If we don't have them any more, give them a few of ours to use in defense - just a few dozen should fix things up. Then we can apologize to the Ukraine about how feckless a president we have, doncha know, hope these replacement nukes will do as an apology, here's a few extra launchers we had, they'e already targeted for Moscow and other places like that.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at February 28, 2014 03:28 PM (kAvHW)

393 I think "Pajama Boy" would call a fly landing in his hot chocolate - and "uncontested arrival" And perhaps squeal slightly. My God - we are being led by a "leader" and a party, that is Pajama Boy in a nutshell.

Posted by: BuilderDoug at February 28, 2014 03:29 PM (jOGo+)

394 If history teaches the Ukrainians anything they better be getting ready for a war. If they don't fight now they never will. Once you give in it just keeps getting easier until you have no freedom except for the crumbs your masters leave you.

Sound familiar?

Posted by: GMB who is anti everything at February 28, 2014 03:32 PM (nkPV9)

395 MSDNC just had an important story about "the nerds who saved obamacare". Well, that sure is news to me.

Posted by: Nylon66 at February 28, 2014 03:38 PM (YELrK)

396 Escalation in  the Ukaraine?  Time Out!!

Posted by: Andy Reid at February 28, 2014 03:42 PM (BAS5M)

397 Word is Yanukovych left Kiev with 70 billion (USD).  Treasury emptied.  Maybe help Putin fund soochee.

Posted by: NCwoof at February 28, 2014 03:46 PM (aUQgu)

398 Treaty?  Our fave is ice cream on waygu.  Yum.

Posted by: The House of Barky at February 28, 2014 03:48 PM (KQp38)

399 The US and Britain Have a Treaty with Ukraine Pledging to Come to Their Aid if Their Territorial Integrity is Violated. That and $7 will get you a venti White Chocolate Espresso and a Chocolate Chunk Cookie.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 03:49 PM (6bMeY)

400 That's a hell of lot of waygu and waffles there. Close to half of Ukraines yearly GDP.

Posted by: GMB who is anti everything at February 28, 2014 03:50 PM (nkPV9)

401 Seriously, nobody played Risk over there? Posted by: blaster Loved that game, haven't played in years. Europe was a bitch was to defend as I recall.

Posted by: The Farmer at February 28, 2014 03:51 PM (eBupg)

402 Risk just got to easy to lose at. Tora! Tora!! Tora!!!

Posted by: GMB who is anti everything at February 28, 2014 03:52 PM (nkPV9)

403 In Risk you should attack until you have nothing left.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 03:53 PM (6bMeY)

404 400  GMB


Estimates GDP Ukraine is 200 B;  so over 30% at least.  Anybody seen Yanukovych's house and property pics?  Large fortune there.

Posted by: NCwoof at February 28, 2014 03:54 PM (aUQgu)

405 I saw 165 billion from a bing search. Still a lot of waffles. Might even be able to afford a few bottles of Maine Maple and a Case of Green Mountain Beer with that kind of cash.

Posted by: GMB who is anti everything at February 28, 2014 03:55 PM (nkPV9)

406 He took the whole F'in Treasury?

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 03:56 PM (6bMeY)

407 Risk just got to easy to lose at. Tora! Tora!! Tora!!!

My best friend and I to this day still put all our troops in Australia and annihilate each other. Whoever else is playing gets to win.

Then we play Castle Risk until no one can stay awake.

Posted by: Methos at February 28, 2014 03:58 PM (hO9ad)

408 Castle Risk is way better.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 03:59 PM (6bMeY)

409 Word is Yanukovych left Kiev with 70 billion (USD). Treasury emptied. Maybe help Putin fund soochee. Posted by: NCwoof at February 28, 2014 08:46 PM (aUQgu) Just saw an story on Aljazeera that the new Ukraine gov. found thousands of documents from the presidential palace dumped in the nearby river. They dried them out in the sun and the documents show how Yanukovych absconded with the money. Must not have been time for a shredder.

Posted by: Jen at February 28, 2014 04:02 PM (XkXzn)

410 Maybe they should cut their losses. Cut back expectations. Forget about Risk, its just a numbers and luck of the dice rolls anyway.

Try Stratego instead. Should be easier to win.

Posted by: GMB who is anti everything at February 28, 2014 04:05 PM (nkPV9)

411 Posted by: NCwoof at February 28, 2014 08:46 PM (aUQgu)
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I believe I saw earlier that the Swiss had frozen all of those funds.

Posted by: LFW - Honorary Pointy Eared Vulcan at February 28, 2014 04:12 PM (vVSOO)

412 Castle Risk is way better.

No one will ever guess where my hidden armies are.

Posted by: Methos at February 28, 2014 04:13 PM (hO9ad)

413 Castle Risk is way better.

Posted by: Boss Moss at February 28, 2014 08:59 PM (6bMeY)


Castle Risk looks interesting.  I used to play a similar game, Diplomacy.  Same basic map, but the combat system eliminates the element of chance.  Negotiations between the seven players (Britain, France, Germany, Austria, Italy, Turkey, Russia) were always intense, depending on who allied with whom.  Prior to each turn, everyone wrote down their marching/combat/support orders, which were then revealed and executed simultaneously.

Once we made a Diplomacy-style map that encompassed the entire world, and added the U.S. as another player.  That was a marathon of a game.

Recently I purchased several copies of Classic Risk (on EBay) just to get my hands on multiple sets of the little wooden pieces.  Very handy for all sorts of wargaming applications, including a modified version of Diplomacy allowing for multiple armies in each territory.

Posted by: CQD at February 28, 2014 04:26 PM (L9te5)

414 Try Stratego instead. Should be easier to win.

Chutes and Ladders anyone?  I'll be the thimble.

Posted by: Joe Biden at February 28, 2014 04:31 PM (ZwFP/)

415 Had several different Stratego Games laying around. Missing pieces and all that. Once played a game against a friend with nothing but bombs. I think he got wise after about the tenth one.

Great fun.


Posted by: GMB who is anti everything at February 28, 2014 04:37 PM (nkPV9)

416 CQD

You play anything like this

--http://counterpusher.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/36-nov-ii-insurgent.jpg

Posted by: GMB who is anti everything at February 28, 2014 04:41 PM (nkPV9)

417 I read Obama's statement. Not only does he say mostly nothing, which is not unusual, he also talks arrogantly about Russia: ------- "...I also spoke several days ago with President Putin, and my administration has been in daily communication with Russian officials, and we've made clear that they can be part of an international community’s effort..." ------- I'm sorry, but Russia seems to have more "rights" to Ukraine than we do. If I were Russian, I'd be ticked off at those words.

Posted by: Baldy at February 28, 2014 04:48 PM (2bql3)

418 This Putin. He impresses me.

Posted by: General Zod at February 28, 2014 05:41 PM (2+bRt)

419 "and we had to do that because we were asking them to give up their nuclear weapons. They did give up their nukes."

Oh, God, poor Ukraine! Relying on Obama's America isn't going to end well for them.

I hope they split into two countries -- when people of a nation no longer agree, it's best to just divorce as peacefully as possible. One worry: what part of Ukraine -- east or west -- is their oil? I hope it's west for their sake.

Posted by: Aslan's Girl at February 28, 2014 07:27 PM (KL49F)

420 I Hate it, I wish it wasn't the case: BUT if we guaranteed the borders of the Ukraine to get them to dispose of the very weapons they had that would have kept the Russians at bay, Then we HAVE to do something. aggression of this sort must be stopped in its tracks. You would think the world would have learned something from the failure of the Munich agreement. Russia has already pulled this shit once against Georgia, and the West (along with the rest of the world) sat on their hands and did nothing- unlike our craptastic leader, who played golf. I really hate it, I am a vet, and would willing sign up to go- but we cannot let this stand.

Posted by: Gerry Owen at February 28, 2014 09:06 PM (4ABat)

421 I.m waiting for you.

Posted by: Go Away Happy! at February 28, 2014 09:36 PM (rrAA4)

422 I hate these people!

Posted by: nudge my boat!? at February 28, 2014 09:37 PM (rrAA4)

423 a world without women.

Posted by: heinz at February 28, 2014 09:40 PM (rrAA4)

424

when the left fails again.

all that's left!

Posted by: guns at February 28, 2014 09:42 PM (rrAA4)

425 how can this not be taken?

Posted by: guns at February 28, 2014 09:43 PM (rrAA4)

426 " ... as a journalist you weigh how much you should criticize the president, because he's black ..."

When are they going to learn that statements like this are just as racist as calling someone a N*****. Or a "Honky", or a "Whitey".

Discrimination ("noting a difference and acting/behaving differently based on this difference") is color-blind. Racism goes BOTH ways!

Posted by: Steamboat McGoo at March 01, 2014 02:11 AM (GGDUP)

427 Did someone say "open bar"?

Posted by: Teddy's Ghost at March 01, 2014 05:33 AM (AIC5Z)

428 Sudetenland anyone? I'm losing count of the number of historical parallels. Obama is our new Neville Chamberlain. "The settlement of the Czechoslovakian problem, which has now been achieved is, in my view, only the prelude to a larger settlement in which all Europe may find peace. This morning I had another talk with the German Chancellor, Herr Hitler, and here is the paper which bears his name upon it as well as mine. Some of you, perhaps, have already heard what it contains but I would just like to read it to you: ' ... We regard the agreement signed last night and the Anglo-German Naval Agreement as symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war with one another again.'[3]" Neville Chamberlain ------ Btw: Facebook has been refusing to allow direct article shares from HotAir and Drudge recently. This has been occurring at several conservative Sites and for articles touching on the IRS, foreign. Policy etc articles. Facebook also make you log into Google to view the youtube video "what's going on in Venezuela". Due to its adult content? Subtle diifficulties, but FB is increaing the censorship again. You can cut and paste articles, but it does lower article shares from conservative and libertarian websites and media. Other interesting patterns: Facebook has also been requiring members friending new people to say whether they knew them outside of FB contacts.

Posted by: Miguel de Cervantes at March 01, 2014 05:52 AM (6zd0p)

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