November 30, 2010

The Upside of WikiLeaks: Russia Next?
— Ace

Actually, I believe Assange is a coward who only wishes to preen as a dangerous rebel with states that will not kill him (such as America), and thus capitalize on unearned status -- he likes to play the hunted revolutionary without having to actually be hunted.

When it comes to a state that will in fact kill him, he will fold like a cheap suit. (I realize that makes no sense.)

So I doubt that Captain Ed's belief that Assange is about to provoke the wrong enemy is correct.

I doubt it will happen, I can't help but wanting this dump to occur:

National security officials say that the National Security Agency, the U.S. government’s eavesdropping agency, has already picked up tell-tale electronic evidence that WikiLeaks is under close surveillance by the Russian FSB, that country’s domestic spy network, out of fear in Moscow that WikiLeaks is prepared to release damaging personal information about Kremlin leaders.

“We may not have been able to stop WikiLeaks so far, and it’s been frustrating,” a U.S. law-enforcement official tells The Daily Beast. “The Russians play by different rules.” He said that if WikiLeaks and its founder, Julian Assange, follow through on threats to post highly embarrassing information about the Russian government and what is assumed to be massive corruption among its leaders, “the Russians will be ruthless in stopping WikiLeaks.”

Although these leaks have been damaging to foreign policy -- especially in Yemen, where a cooperate government was just outed as dishonestly claiming it wasn't cooperative -- there are some upsides.

Revelations about Iran and North Korea should not have been suppressed from the American public. We are entitled to know, roughly, what enemy nations are doing, and how great a danger they pose. In the case of Iran and North Korea, America's official word tends to strongly understate how much danger these states pose.

This is one of the greatest powers of the presidency -- the president may decide what is and what is not a foreign policy threat or crisis. If he wishes to take action against such a state, he outs the information about it (as we did in the case of Iraq).

On the other hand, if he doesn't wish to act, he also doesn't want the public clamoring for action he has no intention of carrying through on, so he simply suppresses information about how much of a threat a nation poses. This doesn't make the threat go away -- it only takes it off the front pages. It removes the threat only from the public debate.

George W. Bush suppressed information about how truly bad-behaving North Korea was, because he was not ready to kick that particular hornet's nest, and Obama has continued doing so.

In this case, WikiLeaks has outed information we should have known all along -- that North Korea is providing advanced missiles to Iran, for example. The reason to withhold this information had little to do with protecting America's foreign policy interest; it had instead to do protecting the current and past administrations' political interest.

No president wants it talked about in the press that there's a pressing foreign threat that he intends to studiously ignore, and that the nation's real policy regarding that threat is to cross fingers and hope for the best.

Assange is a rotten bastard who deserves a bad end. I'm not claiming he's the hero he preens as or anything close to it. He's a villain. But administrations do typically attempt to "manage foreign policy" not by actually managing it, but primarily by managing public opinion about their policy (or lack thereof), and they do so by hiding information from the public.

That's an improper use of the classification system. It's not letting Assange off the hook to say that Obama shouldn't be hiding evidence of Iran's and North Korea's bad behavior from the public just to keep us in the dark about it and keep his poll ratings from dropping another 3 or 4 points.

The ironic thing is that Assange has outed more information about the bad behavior of hostile foreign states than about his true enemy, America. But perhaps that's predictable, since America is a well-behaved state. Perhaps a little too well-behaved for its own good.


By the Way: A spy-type did write to me yesterday, to say that yes, intelligence agents already do prepare multiple versions of their reports in different levels of sensitivity.

The problem, this guy noted, is simply that this idiot private Manning was an intelligence analyst, which he never should have been (indeed, he shouldn't have been in the military at all), and thus had access to secret documents in raw form as part of his job.

Another problem that was noted is that we make too many things secret, which then has a bad effect: Because so many things are secret (or top secret, or above that), many people wind up not being able to do their jobs without secret (or better) clearance, so we grant them that clearance, and inadvertently wind up giving them access to stuff that's unnecessary to do their jobs as well as a lot more sensitive. His suggestion was to make fewer things secret (just make them classified) so that we can give the less-dangerous classified clearance to more people and the more-dangerous secret clearance to fewer people.


Posted by: Ace at 09:17 AM | Comments (203)
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1 Oh please let it be Russia. Bye bye Julian, sorry about that heart attack/radiation poisoning/decapitation thing. Bummer.

Posted by: cali grump at November 30, 2010 09:19 AM (hL0k8)

2 Right on Ace.  The irony is that he may come state side for amnesty. 

Posted by: journolist at November 30, 2010 09:21 AM (LwLqV)

3 The simple fact that he hasn't been planted yet by this country is an indictment about how seriously we, as a country, take our survival, at least the survival as a world power.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 30, 2010 09:23 AM (RkRxq)

4 I always liked the phrase "fold like a cheap card table." In this case, a fey, spindly, bloodless card table.

Posted by: Wm T Sherman at November 30, 2010 09:23 AM (w41GQ)

5 All it will take is one rogue country to be embarrassed, and Julian will have an accident.  Who will point fingers then?  It could be anyone including states he figured would not touch him.

What a douchnozzle.

Posted by: TexBob at November 30, 2010 09:24 AM (7cXE7)

6

Actually, I believe Assange is a coward who only wishes to preen as a dangerous rebel with states that will not kill him (such as America), and thus capitalize on unearned status -- he likes to play the hunted revolutionary without having to actually be hunted.

Like "artists" or other libs who bash religion but say nothing of Islam.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2010 09:24 AM (BvBKY)

7 There is no way in hell Assange will release info on Russia.  They would assassinate him, and no one would lift a finger to stop it.

Posted by: JP at November 30, 2010 09:24 AM (ctq0s)

8 Here, Julian, have some of Russia's finest tea. Never mind that it's still warm after thirty minutes and your nose is just a bit sunburned after you take a drink.

Posted by: Vladimir Putin at November 30, 2010 09:25 AM (b6qrg)

9 There are political advantages to being amoral.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2010 09:25 AM (BvBKY)

10 There is a rational argument to be made that our government is not entitled to keep anything from us. I think that it is ultimately incorrect, but it makes for good dinnertime conversation.

The next dump, supposedly of Bank of America information, is a different story. That's flat-out stealing, and the cock-sucking little prick should go to jail.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo ( NJConservative) at November 30, 2010 09:25 AM (LH6ir)

11 1 Oh please let it be Russia. Bye bye Julian, sorry about that heart attack/radiation poisoning/decapitation thing. Bummer.

The Russians won't fuck around dealing with Julian if they think Asshat is going to leak something damaging to their higher-ups. 

Polonium, "car accident", hell, maybe even ricin poisoning. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 30, 2010 09:25 AM (9hSKh)

12 The Rooskies will poison him with dioxin, like they did to Ukrainian opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko. May you erupt in painful pustules, and fester in hell, Assange.

Posted by: MathMom at November 30, 2010 09:26 AM (tj0rx)

13 Where is the little shit anyway?

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2010 09:26 AM (0GFWk)

14

Po-210 Green Tea Infusion.

Po-210 Tofu.

Po-210 Patchouli oil.

Po-210 Hemp-Based Coffee Filters.

Posted by: Discount Polonium-210 Deals at November 30, 2010 09:27 AM (w41GQ)

15 If the President had any balls at all, this cocksucker would have already had an unfortunate meeting with a Delta operator.  I say Delta, because the CIA couldn't be trusted to actually handle something of the sort.

Posted by: Hatchet Five at November 30, 2010 09:27 AM (Amw47)

16 In this case, WikiLeaks has outed information we should have known all along -- that North Korea is providing advanced missiles to Iran, for example. The reason to withhold this information had little to do with protecting America's foreign policy interest; it had instead to do protecting the current and past administrations' political interest.

I have to take some (little) exception to this, Ace.  There is a limit to how many fronts of a war we can fight at any one time- and we're kind of busy at the moment.

We can talk about "bomb, bomb, bomb.  Bomb, bomb Iran" as much as we want; the truth is that we won't do that- at least, not with any seriousness.  I wish that weren't true, but it is.

So, withholding the information makes sense from a National Defense standpoint- if they believe they're under our Radar, they might try to stay there- at least until we're done in Iraq or Afghanistan (troops down to "maintenance" levels only).  If we let the general public know about it, however, they're much more likely to decide "F it, they already know, so lets get this dance started."  And we really don't need that right now.

I will certainly agree that it is as much political as actual National Defense, but there are legitimate National Defense concerns as well.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 09:28 AM (8y9MW)

17 Didn't the Russians end the problem of Palestinain terrorism against its agents by kidnapping a relative of some PLO shithead and sending him the poor schmuck's testicles? You've got to appreciate that kind of outside-the-box thinking.

Posted by: Cicero at November 30, 2010 09:29 AM (gEBcK)

18 14 haha!

Posted by: fb at November 30, 2010 09:30 AM (G60Nl)

19 So ... Wikileaks is nothing but an independent espionage organization ...

Okay.  Treat everyone associated with WikiSpy, including those providing servers and such, as the enemies they are.  And no trials.  This is not something that needs a trial to establish - as WikiSpy has made such an effort in getting across to as many people as possible. 

You win, WikiShits. You're spies.  Game over.

It would be a real shame if we leave it to Russia to do what we ought to do.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at November 30, 2010 09:31 AM (G/MYk)

20 How about we just eliminate the people that spy on us? When I say eliminate, I mean rip off their testicles.

Posted by: ingenus at November 30, 2010 09:31 AM (+sBB4)

21 12 The Rooskies will poison him with dioxin, like they did to Ukrainian opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko. May you erupt in painful pustules, and fester in hell, Assange.

Ooh, forgot about that!  Cut.  Jib.  Newsletter?

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 30, 2010 09:32 AM (9hSKh)

22

Posted by: Discount Polonium-210 Deals at November 30, 2010 02:27 PM (w41GQ)


I know it's early, but that's my "thread winner" vote.

LMAO.

Posted by: s'moron at November 30, 2010 09:32 AM (UaxA0)

23 Posted by: Cicero at November 30, 2010 02:29 PM (gEBcK)

It happened in Lebanon. Some crazy group (who knows which; they're all the same) kidnapped a few Russian diplomats. The Russians promptly grabbed some hostages and started chopping. And guess what! It worked.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo ( NJConservative) at November 30, 2010 09:33 AM (LH6ir)

24

Why do the Russians get to be the baddies all the time?  Am I the only one that thinks assholes like this should pee down there leg at the thought of pissing off the CIA.  It always "don't mess with Mosad" or "don't mess with the Ruskies".

Hell with that - we need to get our balls back and start taking out the fucking trash.  Start with this asshole and instead of denying just step right up and say "Yes, it was us.  We will take all of your "thank you's" on a first come first serve basis so please no pushing or shoving just form a neat orderly line".

Posted by: Roadking at November 30, 2010 09:34 AM (uqiMa)

25 Didn't the Russians end the problem of Palestinain terrorism against its agents by kidnapping a relative of some PLO shithead and sending him the poor schmuck's testicles? You've got to appreciate that kind of outside-the-box thinking. Posted by: Cicero at November 30, 2010 02:29 PM (gEBcK) I thought they buried him wrapped in pig skin and filmed it?

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2010 09:34 AM (0GFWk)

26 I suspect the information management was done, not out of political expediency, but of trying to keep the public's eye on the ball. Add the NorKs and Iranians as more immediate and bigger threats would ultimately act as a distraction to AfPak and Iraq until those theaters improved. AfPak and Iraq were ultimately about surrounding Iran anyway

Posted by: A.G. at November 30, 2010 09:35 AM (oAVyq)

27 Julian better watch out for the fella with the umbrella.

Posted by: huerfano at November 30, 2010 09:36 AM (QgmBR)

28 Actually, if someone intended on bumping him off, they should do so now, while every finger would point at the CIA.  The Russians, I'm sure, are quite aware of that fact.

Posted by: Dell at November 30, 2010 09:36 AM (emExD)

29 We are not feeling to good right now. The new coffee filters are great though.

Posted by: WikiGlow at November 30, 2010 09:36 AM (+sBB4)

30 Another problem that was noted is that we make too many things secret, which then has a bad effect: Because so many things are secret (or top secret, or above that), many people wind up not being able to do their jobs without secret (or better) clearance, so we grant them that clearance, and inadvertently wind up giving them access to stuff that's unnecessary to do their jobs as well as a lot more sensitive.

That's why we make new classifications of "grande top secret", "tall top secret", and (plain) "top secret" (which is no longer even secret, but people had lowered self-esteem if they didn't get a "top secret" clearance of some type and there were lawsuits coming).  We solved this problem with coffee years ago and you people are still struggling with a bunch of meaningless labels ...

Posted by: Starbucks at November 30, 2010 09:36 AM (G/MYk)

31 So, have you read this link that Mitt Romney may have been responsible for you stubbing your toe today? Its the most convincing argument....EVAH!

Posted by: In before the Troll Dan at November 30, 2010 09:36 AM (OWjjx)

32

About Manning.  A Pfc is an intelligence analyst?  Are we sure?

Posted by: Richard Aubrey at November 30, 2010 09:37 AM (yt878)

33 Am I the only one that thinks assholes like this should pee down there leg at the thought of pissing off the CIA.


"Getting our balls back" would require firing 3/4 of the staff at the CIA, worthless pussies who would immediately leak any op-plan not meeting their squishy idea of how things should be done. 

Posted by: Hatchet Five at November 30, 2010 09:37 AM (Amw47)

34 How'd ya like to the insurance company holding Julian's Life Insurance Policy?

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2010 09:38 AM (0GFWk)

35 Oooh, just let him say something about the sequins on my new clothes.

I'll give him such a pinch!

Posted by: The High King Emperor of Keynesia at November 30, 2010 09:38 AM (u5eVT)

36 Actually, if someone intended on bumping him off, they should do so now, while every finger would point at the CIA. ---- Be sure and leave a McCain/Palin bumper sticker nearby.

Posted by: KGB at November 30, 2010 09:39 AM (+sBB4)

37 In US, you leak on government.

In Russia, government leaks all over you.

Posted by: chuckR at November 30, 2010 09:39 AM (XLu7l)

38 Natasha, we being activated once again. Fearless Leader has for us a mission. Is neither squirrel or moose. Should be interesting, da?

Posted by: Boris Badanov at November 30, 2010 09:39 AM (R2fpr)

39 K chortu! Smert shpionu!

Posted by: Boris "the polonium chef" Chekist at November 30, 2010 09:40 AM (RD7QR)

40 Mitt Romney is part of WikiLeaks

Posted by: pre-Dan at November 30, 2010 09:40 AM (+sBB4)

41 When my husband was in Intel, he couldn't even speak to me about his work. He would have been fired immediately if he left Classified stuff on his desk when he went to take a leak. Had to be in a safe, even though he worked in a secure building, among an entire staff of people with Top Secret clearance. These idiots, in the Clinton admin and in the Obama admin, think this is all just stoopid. They are wrong. We are paying.

Posted by: MathMom at November 30, 2010 09:40 AM (tj0rx)

42 Reactivate Valerie Plame!  Only a CIA super-deep cover operative (whose husband writes lies in order to attack the Bush administration on the New York Slimes Op-Ed page, as is a well-known tactic among the spouses of super-deep cover spies) would know how to handle these WikiSpies.  She'll set up a Vogue cover photo-shoot with him and ... BAM!

Posted by: iknowtheleft®© at November 30, 2010 09:40 AM (G/MYk)

43 #25  I thought they buried him wrapped in pig skin and filmed it?

You might be thinking of what (supposedly) Gen Perishing did with some Ottoman spies.

Although IIRC, the Russians may have buried the Chechnyan terrorists who took hostages during the Moscow theater hostage crisis back in 2002 in pig skins. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 30, 2010 09:40 AM (9hSKh)

44 But, really.  Will anything that comes out about Russia really shock anyone?

Posted by: Sponge at November 30, 2010 09:41 AM (UK9cE)

45

...which he never should have been (indeed, he shouldn't have been in the military at all)...

Denounce yourself, Homo-Phobe!

Just because he openly listens to Lady Gaga does not mean he has violated the current DADT policies.

Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2010 09:42 AM (fOo+M)

46

I don't like this WikiLeaks guy (cough) but I've come to the conclusion that the government should not be allowed to classify any documents other than current military operational info.

I think all this "leaking" has actually blown up in the faces of the leakers, all it really shows is the arrogance, shallowness and pettiness of the World's Ruling Class.

the revolution may begin anytime now... 

Posted by: Shoey at November 30, 2010 09:42 AM (ehKDD)

47 Boris, but why then do they want us kill Nell?

Posted by: Natasha at November 30, 2010 09:42 AM (tf9Ne)

48 Will anything that comes out about Russia really shock anyone? Posted by: Sponge © at November 30, 2010 02:41 PM (UK9cE) yes if they really think they won the gold medal in basketball at the 72 olympics in munich?

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2010 09:43 AM (0GFWk)

49 For once I'm glad Putin is around.  Vlad baby won't tolerate this kind of shit. Vlad could stand their holding his decapitated head in Red Square and say " Julian who?" and no one would say a word.  I see a Batesville casket and a dirt nap in Julian's future.

The world will be a better place.

Manning better like being alone.  He's going to spend a lot of time in Levenworth by himself.  Boo fucking hoo.

Posted by: mpfs at November 30, 2010 09:43 AM (iYbLN)

50 48 Will anything that comes out about Russia really shock anyone?

Only those who aren't paying attention.  Like the MFM. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 30, 2010 09:45 AM (9hSKh)

51 Manning better like being alone. He's going to spend a lot of time in Levenworth by himself. Boo fucking hoo. Posted by: mpfs at November 30, 2010 02:43 PM (iYbLN) Oh if Boo gets his hands on manning there is gonna be some fucking going on!

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 30, 2010 09:45 AM (0GFWk)

52 Boris, but why then do they want us kill Nell?

Posted by: Natasha

 

Is simple babushka. We are ordered to be the deathnell to the leakers. Hokay, we kill Nell. Mountie is too stupid to be of value, and horse too smart. Stay clear of horse.

Posted by: Boris Badanov at November 30, 2010 09:45 AM (R2fpr)

53
eggmcmuffin was right?!?!?!

Posted by: Professor Soothsayer at November 30, 2010 09:46 AM (uFokq)

54 Hmm, I wonder what CitiBank would do to Assange. That would make even the Russians sick to their stomachs...

Posted by: joncelli at November 30, 2010 09:47 AM (RD7QR)

55 Poll : Who gets him first ? 1. Russkies 2. Banksters 3. Hillary 4. Feel free to add your own , some were left out intentionally .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 30, 2010 09:47 AM (XDeui)

56
In Soviet Russia..... you not plug leak.........


Leak plugs YOU.

Posted by: Yakhov Schminoff at November 30, 2010 09:47 AM (J5Hcw)

57
Manning was an intelligence analyst just like Valerie Plame was a CIA covert field operative.

Posted by: Professor Soothsayer at November 30, 2010 09:47 AM (uFokq)

58

For once I'm glad Putin is around.  Vlad baby won't tolerate this kind of shit. Vlad could stand their holding his decapitated head in Red Square and say " Julian who?" "Who's up for a Parade!" and no one would say a word.  they would throw him one.  I see a Batesville casket and a dirt nap in Julian's future.

Closer to the truth I think.

Posted by: Roadking at November 30, 2010 09:48 AM (uqiMa)

59 Wheres the proof that all of these documents are real? How many of these so called cables are forged or purposefully inserted into the information stream as misinformation/disinformation purposes?

Posted by: 13times at November 30, 2010 09:50 AM (h6XiD)

60 Manning was an intelligence analyst just like Valerie Plame was a CIA covert field operative.

The first part of analyst is anal.

Posted by: Phillip McKrevis at November 30, 2010 09:50 AM (pRKLf)

61 The Rooskies will poison him with dioxin, like they did to Ukrainian opposition leader Viktor Yushchenko. May you erupt in painful pustules, and fester in hell, Assange.

Nope.  If the info is valid and makes Russia look bad, that would take too long.  If they suspect he has more or is capable of releasing other damaging materials....or what he releases is just that bad, I give him 10 days.

Posted by: Sponge at November 30, 2010 09:50 AM (UK9cE)

62 Bank of America leaks? Bring them..
My BofA story. Wife was shutting down her business. Had been doing  scheduled online payments of a small (few hundred dollar) LC balance. BofA takes over Fleet. Resurrects canceled Fleet personal, not business, credit card and sends mail to a house we haven't lived at in 20 years.   Getting no reply, BofA locks online payments for incorporated company and would have for personal online transactions except we didn't use them personally. Immediately we start getting early morning calls from Crapweasel Debt Resolution or some such. They are of course looking for credit card numbers to zero the balance or bank account #s and PINs to do the same. Right. Eventually it is resolved with much time wasted by us and we find thru a little googling that Crapweasels is a Bof A subsidiary. How cute. I hope Assange screws them over. Too big to fail? Time to unwind them into manageable units.

Posted by: chuckR at November 30, 2010 09:51 AM (XLu7l)

63 I figure if this guy has a preference, he would rather it be the US. (a) it would be a gentle method and (b) it could be argued as proof of the American Satan, martyring him.

Posted by: A.G. at November 30, 2010 09:51 AM (oAVyq)

64 I was listening to KFI in Los Angeles this morning driving into work and Bryan Suits was on with Handel during the 7am to 730am slot.  He explained why this fucker Manning had the clearance he did.  It isn't pretty. 


http://tinyurl.com/6d6jt2

If you want to listen click on the link - Bill Handel - 7am today.

Posted by: mpfs at November 30, 2010 09:52 AM (iYbLN)

65 If Russia were worried, Assbanger'd already be dead.

Posted by: t-bird at November 30, 2010 09:52 AM (FcR7P)

66 It's fold like a cheap camera. Because cameras used to fold.

Posted by: parisparamus at November 30, 2010 09:52 AM (jtShJ)

67 Poll : Who gets him first ?

1. Russkies

2. Banksters

3. Hillary

.
.
.

2973.  Girl Scout Troop #437
2974.  Sister Susan, that mean nun from 4th grade Catholic school
2975.  Nippy, your neighbor's barking chihuahua
2976.  Gomer Pyle
2977.  Boss Hogg from Dukes of Hazzard
2978.  The CIA

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2010 09:52 AM (i7Wd9)

68 Russkie Assassin Ivan: Sergei! CitiBank assassins eviscerated Assange's credit score! Russkie Assassin Sergei: Bozhye moi! [begins barfing]

Posted by: joncelli at November 30, 2010 09:53 AM (RD7QR)

69 Who says the Russians arent using Wikileaks to as a way to damage the US? Chinese agents and hackers ?

The Feds need to nab these Wikileaks jerks and rendition them to Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: 13times at November 30, 2010 09:54 AM (h6XiD)

70 I've heard Assange is a Mormon and loves socialized medicine.

Posted by: Stan at November 30, 2010 09:55 AM (LLZiU)

71 Look.  I still have faith in you, so I'm going to give you one last chance.  I happen to be holding ... in my possession ... the lists of every Christmas gift bought for every child in the US - all the details; descriptions, prices, dates bought ...  Either you get me covers and flattering 4-page articles in Time magazine - at least once a year for the next 50 years - or I release ... everything and bring Christmas down for everyone.

Posted by: Julian "Clyde" Assache at November 30, 2010 09:55 AM (G/MYk)

72 The Feds need to nab these Wikileaks jerks and rendition them to Saudi Arabia outer space.

FIFY

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2010 09:55 AM (i7Wd9)

73

Because so many things are secret (or top secret, or above that), many people wind up not being able to do their jobs without secret (or better) clearance, so we grant them that clearance, and inadvertently wind up giving them access to stuff that's unnecessary to do their jobs as well as a lot more sensitive

 

And there's the main rub.  I've worked with classified documents before and that was always the biggest problem, is deciding who really needed to know this shit.  Too much stuff classified?  I don't know.  Sometimes the most innocuous seeming info, when put together with other elements, could turn out to be a big fucking deal.  

Posted by: Soona at November 30, 2010 09:56 AM (HIlgc)

74 Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2010 02:52 PM (i7Wd9) No barbed cock of Satan ?

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 30, 2010 09:57 AM (XDeui)

75 49 For once I'm glad Putin is around.  Vlad baby won't tolerate this kind of shit. Vlad could stand their holding his decapitated head in Red Square and say " Julian who?" and no one would say a word.  I see a Batesville casket and a dirt nap in Julian's future.

The world will be a better place.

Sad that we have to look to the Russians for a clear example of badass-ness and initiative.  And worse still is that Vlad is one evil son-of-a-bitch.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 30, 2010 09:57 AM (9hSKh)

76 The Feds need to nab these Wikileaks jerks and rendition them to Saudi Arabia outer space give them long rides in brazen bulls.

FIFY

Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2010 02:55 PM (i7Wd9)

RFIFY

Posted by: iknowtheleft®© at November 30, 2010 09:58 AM (G/MYk)

77 If I weren't still trying to figure out that whole umbrella+gate puzzle, I'd be free to devote my colossal intellect to our security situation. I'm sure fellow tough-guy Putin is in the same boat.

Posted by: Barry Obama, Kicking Ass since.. well, not yet at November 30, 2010 09:59 AM (FcR7P)

78 74 Posted by: chemjeff at November 30, 2010 02:52 PM (i7Wd9)

No barbed cock of Satan ?

That should be number #2, after the Russikes nail him. 

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at November 30, 2010 09:59 AM (9hSKh)

79

I don't like this WikiLeaks guy (cough) but I've come to the conclusion that the government should not be allowed to classify any documents other than current military operational info.

No.  If every memo and piece of correspondence is subject to being public, you'll never get honest assessments. 

Think of it like the surveys many of us are asked to fill out at work- one is going to be less likely to their boss poor marks if their name is on it than if it's anonymous.

Is there classified information out there that should be made public?  Probably.  However, there's good reason to keep much of it private- even if it's just an opinion of a particular country's leader.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 30, 2010 10:01 AM (plsiE)

80 Mmmm, I prefer lead poisoning. About 230 grain should work  fine.

Posted by: wrg at November 30, 2010 10:01 AM (mB2ub)

81 >>>I have to take some (little) exception to this, Ace. There is a limit to how many fronts of a war we can fight at any one time- and we're kind of busy at the moment. Right, but why then does it follow that information about enemy regimes should be hidden from us? The government is incapable of explaining "War is not possible right now"?

Posted by: ace at November 30, 2010 10:01 AM (nj1bB)

82 When I got my TS-SCI clearance (many moons ago), I had to endure a DOD anal probe and a 10 year background investigation. What? Are they G.I. today? *&$#@!!!

Posted by: Beefy Meatball at November 30, 2010 10:02 AM (YYaIP)

83 The Feds need to nab these Wikileaks jerks and rendition them to Saudi Arabia outer space give them long rides in Solar powered brazen bulls.

RFIFY

Posted by: iknowtheleft®© at November 30, 2010 02:58 PM (G/MYk)


RRFIFY

Now that's green energy I can get behind and he's not worth the fuel.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 30, 2010 10:03 AM (tf9Ne)

84 Right, but why then does it follow that information about enemy regimes should be hidden from us? The government is incapable of explaining "War is not possible right now"?

Posted by: ace ©

 

Because announcing that we cannot enter into another military commitment can be an invitation not only to that country, but any other country?

Posted by: Boris Badanov at November 30, 2010 10:05 AM (R2fpr)

85 It would be a real shame if we leave it to Russia to do what we ought to do.

Posted by: iknowtheleft®© at November 30, 2010 02:31 PM (G/MYk)

Would give us cover to drop him if he disses Russia.

Posted by: hutch1200 at November 30, 2010 10:05 AM (w9uzw)

86

 Mmmm, I prefer lead poisoning. About 230 grain should work  fine.

 

You betcha!  That'd work real good there!

Posted by: Sarah Palin at November 30, 2010 10:05 AM (uqiMa)

87 Right, but why then does it follow that information about enemy regimes should be hidden from us? The government is incapable of explaining "War is not possible right now"?

Posted by: ace © at November 30, 2010 03:01 PM (nj1bB)

In addition to that, one can easily argue that our government holding back damaging information about enemy governments (especially about their violent actions towards us, and support of attacks on us)  is nothing short of giving aid and comfort to the enemy - as that is clearly the intent behind holding that information secret.  Unless some very important people or methods are likely to be exposed with the information, there is no excuse for not letting America know what our enemies are really working on against us.  Usually, the complaint about our government is that it does the opposite, trying to demonize the enemy - which is what rational people do when they are in a fight, anyway. 

Posted by: iknowtheleft at November 30, 2010 10:05 AM (G/MYk)

88

 The government is incapable of explaining "War is not possible right now"?

War - What's it good for?

Posted by: Tolstoy at November 30, 2010 10:06 AM (fOo+M)

89 3 The simple fact that he hasn't been planted yet by this country is an indictment about how seriously we, as a country, take our survival, at least the survival as a world power.

Now we're outsourcing our own security; hoping for other countries to take care of our own traitors.

Posted by: Pyrocles at November 30, 2010 10:06 AM (cv5Iw)

90 All the recently released documents seem to hurt one person, Hillary Clinton. Maybe that's why the administration hasn't exactly been up in arms over their release or improved security at State.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 30, 2010 10:06 AM (LLZiU)

91

Charles K. got this right: the little puss pocket PFC should be tried for treason and shot. Yesterday.

Posted by: Rightzilla at November 30, 2010 10:07 AM (ujT7B)

92 The Feds need to nab these Wikileaks jerks and rendition them to Saudi Arabia outer space give them long rides in Solar powered brazen bulls.

RRFIFY

Now that's green energy I can get behind and he's not worth the fuel.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 30, 2010 03:03 PM (tf9Ne)

Indeed.  Well played, sir.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at November 30, 2010 10:08 AM (G/MYk)

93

Mmmm, I prefer lead poisoning. About 230 grain should work  fine.

Way oversized. Unless you are trying for a 1500 yd.+ shot... 

You'd only need about 175-185 ft.lb. at impact to turn that milksop inside out.

Posted by: Tolstoy at November 30, 2010 10:09 AM (fOo+M)

94 Never thought I'd ever say this, but a straight up trade of our president for the Russian Prime Minister would be all kinds of awesome. Not that Russia deserves Bambi, but then neither do we. If they act now, we'll throw in Hilary and Pelosi, too.

Posted by: cali grump at November 30, 2010 10:09 AM (hL0k8)

95

War - What's it good for?

Posted by: Tolstoy


LOL.

Posted by: Dr Spank at November 30, 2010 10:09 AM (LLZiU)

96 russianwritersockOFF!

Posted by: garrett at November 30, 2010 10:09 AM (fOo+M)

97 So, how many others are working with Assrangle and will disposing of this elephant turd actually accomplish much?

Posted by: Sponge at November 30, 2010 10:10 AM (UK9cE)

98 It doesn't matter that Jazz Hands is a coward who wouldn't release any info about Russia.  All that's necessary is that Pooty-Poot thinks he (or the WikiLeaks co-conspirators) might, and they'll act.

Incidentally, who pays for WikiLeaks' bandwidth?  It's gotta be pretty expensive for all the stuff they're shoving out there.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 30, 2010 10:10 AM (p05LM)

99 who pays for WikiLeaks' bandwidth?

Wikipedia foundation.

Posted by: 13times at November 30, 2010 10:12 AM (h6XiD)

100

Way oversized. Unless you are trying for a 1500 yd.+ shot... 

You'd only need about 175-185 ft.lb. at impact to turn that milksop inside out.

 

That and a heavy-duty wood chipper.

Posted by: Soona at November 30, 2010 10:13 AM (HIlgc)

101 Incidentally, who pays for WikiLeaks' bandwidth?  It's gotta be pretty expensive for all the stuff they're shoving out there.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 30, 2010 03:10 PM (p05LM)

It was in the Stimulus bill, right after the section protecting the bonuses of TARPed bank executives.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at November 30, 2010 10:14 AM (G/MYk)

102

The image of Jimmy Wales, wiki founder, talks to me.

It tells me to do bad things. Very bad things.

Posted by: Professor Soothsayer at November 30, 2010 10:14 AM (uFokq)

103 Once again the internet debunks the Ruling Class's superiority as nothing more than elevated levels of incompetent, spineless lying and double cross.

And the MFM are reduced to spinning, coat holders. Not much money or future in that role.

I don't want to think of how screwed we'd be if Algore didn't invent the truth tubes.

Posted by: ontherocks at November 30, 2010 10:14 AM (HBqDo)

104 "No.  If every memo and piece of correspondence is subject to being public, you'll never get honest assessments. 

Think of it like the surveys many of us are asked to fill out at work- one is going to be less likely to their boss poor marks if their name is on it than if it's anonymous.

Is there classified information out there that should be made public?  Probably.  However, there's good reason to keep much of it private- even if it's just an opinion of a particular country's leader.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 30, 2010 03:01 PM (plsiE)

if our leaders were the kind of people they claimed to be (noble, stalwart guardians of truth and justice) they wouldn't need to hide their words.

if you can't say what you want to say about someone to their face, then don't say it at all. 

and that goes for everyone, including the Ruling Class.

Posted by: Shoey at November 30, 2010 10:14 AM (ehKDD)

105 Robin, bring me a sticky bomb.

Posted by: Batman at November 30, 2010 10:15 AM (GwPRU)

106

who pays for WikiLeaks' bandwidth?

Mitt Romney.  Not directly, of course.

  He has a 'Hair Care' Slush-Fund that was passed as part of the Romneycare® legislation package! 

It's very hush-hush.

Posted by: Bald Activist Dan at November 30, 2010 10:15 AM (fOo+M)

107 if being honest embarasses some other head of state, that's just too bad, they'll just have to get over it.

Posted by: Shoey at November 30, 2010 10:16 AM (ehKDD)

108
Time magazine's Man of the Year 2010 will be: Julian Assange.

Time Magazine's Man's Bitch of the Year 2010 will be: Barack Obama.

Posted by: Professor Soothsayer at November 30, 2010 10:16 AM (uFokq)

109 The most WikiLeaks will have on Russia is more pec pics of Putin.

All properly drooled over by La Julien, of course.

Posted by: nickless at November 30, 2010 10:16 AM (MMC8r)

110 If you think Pvt Manning shouldn't have been in the US Army because he is a cocksucker, I've got another thing coming for you (pun intended).

Posted by: SecDef Gates at November 30, 2010 10:17 AM (GtDKF)

111

if our leaders were the kind of people they claimed to be (noble, stalwart guardians of truth and justice) they wouldn't need to hide their words.

if you can't say what you want to say about someone to their face, then don't say it at all. 

and that goes for everyone, including the Ruling Class.


That would be true in a noble, unicorn fantasy land, but real world requires secrets and underhanded tactics simply to keep up with the Jones's.  Take one look at Russia and if you think that ANYTHING they do doesn't have an underbelly, you're sorely mistaken.

Posted by: Sponge at November 30, 2010 10:17 AM (UK9cE)

112 It's very hush-hush.

and on the QT

Posted by: Sid Hudgens at November 30, 2010 10:18 AM (h6XiD)

113
...if being honest embarrasses some other head of state, that's just too bad, they'll just have to get over it.

a funny thing about diplomacy, ol' chum, is...

Posted by: Professor Soothsayer at November 30, 2010 10:18 AM (uFokq)

114 Posted by: ace © at November 30, 2010 03:01 PM (nj1bB)

Sorry, writing a comment on another thread...

Yes, basically.  Boris said it in 84- if you tell one country "Sorry, We're too busy right now" how might other countries also respond?

Ronald Reagan once said (paraphrasing, 'cause I don't remember the exact quote): "No recent war has been started because America was too strong."  The unspoken corollary to that is this: "Several have started because someone else thought we weren't strong enough."

By being able to pretend that Iran and N Korea were lower priority, we also get to pretend that we could still whoop 'em if we wanted to. 

It's like the big burly kid who gets called a coward because he won't fight anybody- eventually someone is going to get very badly hurt because he can't/won't defend himself- until he has to let loose completely to get people to stop bothering him.  Well, we're kind of there.  The only options we have at the moment are things that are not politically acceptable (as they'd require the deaths of a fair number of civilians), so we're trying not to do anything.  We can't really get into a land war, and we won't just bomb their military and government buildings.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 10:18 AM (8y9MW)

115

When it comes to a state that will in fact kill him, he will fold like a cheap suit. (I realize that makes no sense.)

Um.

He'll fold like a cheap beach towel with pictures of flowers on one side and tigers on the other.

He'll fold like an undercapitalized gopher farm.

He'll fold like the sedimenarty strata near the San Andreas fault.

He'll fold like Meg Whitman's housekeeper.

He'll fold like my dick when Rosie O'Donnell comes over naked.

He'll fold like an errant protein in someone with a genetic disorder.

He'll fold like a Guild Navigator in the wrong galaxy when his wife's water broke.

 

 

Posted by: rdbrewer at November 30, 2010 10:19 AM (OVpbA)

116 109 The most WikiLeaks will have on Russia is more pec pics of Putin. All properly drooled over by La Julien, of course. Posted by: nickless© at November 30, 2010 03:16 PM (MMC8r) If only Pooty would leak on me. [sigh]

Posted by: Julien Assanger at November 30, 2010 10:19 AM (RD7QR)

117 Seem like this was much a do about nothing.

Bureaucrats  being bureaucrats.

This is news?

It is depressing how swallow these cables are.

Posted by: Kemp at November 30, 2010 10:20 AM (JpFM9)

118
who pays for WikiLeaks' bandwidth?

Wikipedia foundation.



Ah. That explains why that Wales dude had his face plastered all over Wikipedia for the pledge drive this last month.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2010 10:20 AM (DZVrI)

119

That and a heavy-duty wood chipper.

Thanks to that idiot in Ct., that is no longer an option. Take the rings off the fingers first, you numbskull. Geesh... 

According to a friend who worked at the Human ID lab in Tucson, you'd need;  75 Gal of Acid, an industrial grinder (the kind used to cut the pipes off a guy's joint would work fine although a bench style with a dust control system would be ideal...but how many times are you going to do this, really?), and a decent food dehydrator. 

 He also added that a few bags of Lye might help along with a lot of Bleach for cleanup.

 

Posted by: Bald Activist Dan at November 30, 2010 10:21 AM (fOo+M)

120 Espionage, it's good for you and good for me. I'm transformative.

Posted by: B+rry Ob+owmao at November 30, 2010 10:21 AM (GtDKF)

121 It's like the big burly kid who gets called a coward because he won't fight anybody- eventually someone is going to get very badly hurt because he can't/won't defend himself- until he has to let loose completely to get people to stop bothering him.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 03:18 PM (8y9MW)

You watch those nature documentaries on the cable? You see the one about lions? You got this lion. He's the king of the jungle, huge mane out to here. He's laying under a tree, in the middle of Africa. He's so big, it's so hot. He doesn't want to move. Now the little lions come, they start messing with him. Biting his tail, biting his ears. He doesn't do anything. The lioness, she starts messing with him. Coming over, making trouble. Still nothing. Now the other animals, they notice this. They start to move in. The jackals; hyenas. They're barking at him, laughing at him. They nip his toes, and eat the food that's in his domain. They do this, then they get closer and closer, bolder and bolder. Till one day, that lion gets up and tears the shit out of everybody. Runs like the wind, eats everything in his path. Cause every once in a while, the lion has to show the jackals, who he is.

Posted by: Uncle Mike, from Poolhall Junkies at November 30, 2010 10:22 AM (G/MYk)

122  He also added that a few bags of Lye might help along with a lot of Bleach for cleanup.

12 very hungry hogs.

Posted by: Bricktop at November 30, 2010 10:23 AM (h6XiD)

123 He'll fold like my dick when Rosie O'Donnell comes over naked.


I would say more like, He'll fold like the skin between Rosie O'Donnell's hooha and its tits.

I would NEVER want to admit that it comes over at any point, much less naked.

Posted by: Sponge at November 30, 2010 10:24 AM (UK9cE)

124 Posted by: Bald Activist Dan at November 30, 2010 03:21 PM (fOo+M) I'm hoping the Russkies know all of this. I assume so.

Posted by: Julien Assanger at November 30, 2010 10:24 AM (RD7QR)

125 Hillary and the US Kleptocracy calling Assange a criminal?

Now ain't that shit priceless.

Posted by: Frankenstein Government at November 30, 2010 10:25 AM (GOG1H)

126

12 very hungry hogs.

This.

Posted by: Mr. Woo at November 30, 2010 10:25 AM (fOo+M)

127 Ghey power! 

Thank you pfc Manning for showing us how important it is to have the Ghey's in the military!

I'll come over to your cell again, for Hanuka!  Tomorrow night! Heart be still!

Love ya ( don't bite my ear again, PLEASE)!

Barney

Posted by: Barney at November 30, 2010 10:25 AM (JpFM9)

128  The only options we have at the moment are things that are not politically acceptable (as they'd require the deaths of a fair number of civilians), so we're trying not to do anything.  We can't really get into a land war, and we won't just bomb their military and government buildings.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 03:18 PM (8y9MW)

 

And contrary to what the fucking peaceniks, diry hippies, and liberals think, our nuke option is still our "ace-in-the-hole".  (no reflection on our illustrious Ace)

Posted by: Soona at November 30, 2010 10:25 AM (HIlgc)

129
The Obama admin will ignore this and it will all go away in a few days just like Nadil Malik Hassan's terrorist massacre at Ft Hood last November.

Posted by: Professor Soothsayer at November 30, 2010 10:26 AM (uFokq)

130

12 very hungry hogs.

This.

Posted by: Mr. Woo at November 30, 2010 03:25 PM (fOo+M)



Cocksucker!



Posted by: Al Swearengen at November 30, 2010 10:26 AM (DZVrI)

131 And of course it makes no sense with the sock. One of these days I'll be funny.

Posted by: joncelli at November 30, 2010 10:27 AM (RD7QR)

132

Posted by: Frankenstein Government at November 30, 2010 03:25 PM (GOG1H)

We have your Diner's Club® Card number on file, Mister.

Posted by: State Department at November 30, 2010 10:27 AM (fOo+M)

133
Meanwhile...

data shows there is no housing recovery.

Posted by: Professor Soothsayer at November 30, 2010 10:27 AM (uFokq)

134 If Wiki drops on Russia i really need to invest in popcorn futures fast.

Posted by: wrg at November 30, 2010 10:27 AM (mB2ub)

135 Sometimes Bond movies write themselves.

Posted by: rdbrewer at November 30, 2010 10:28 AM (OVpbA)

136 He'll fold like James Cameron before a climate debate.

Posted by: rdbrewer at November 30, 2010 10:29 AM (OVpbA)

137 135 Sometimes Bond movies write themselves. Posted by: rdbrewer at November 30, 2010 03:28 PM (OVpbA) They could recycle the assassins from Diamonds Are Forever.

Posted by: joncelli at November 30, 2010 10:30 AM (RD7QR)

138 He'll fold like an Italian highrise.

Posted by: rdbrewer at November 30, 2010 10:30 AM (OVpbA)

139 I understand that on the battlefield sometimes you decieve in order to gain a tactical advantage, that's not what I'm talking about, these e-mails, memos and such describe petty in-fighting and jealously, they are all just playing "gotcha" games like little children do, these are not serious people, they are a bunch of spoiled little brats playing little reindeer games. 

Posted by: Shoey at November 30, 2010 10:30 AM (ehKDD)

140 The image of Jimmy Wales, wiki founder, talks to me.

It tells me to do bad things. Very bad things.

There's a Firefox extension that puts Jimmy Wales at the top of every web page you visit.  It's hilarious in small doses.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 30, 2010 10:31 AM (p05LM)

141 Posted by: Uncle Mike, from Poolhall Junkies at November 30, 2010 03:22 PM (G/MYk)

Can't say I've ever seen that on Jack Hannah...

Posted by: Soona at November 30, 2010 03:25 PM (HIlgc)

I hope you're right, 'cause a weapon you simply refuse to use is worse than worthless.  I'm just afraid that the hippie peacniks have one on that score.

Though, I might like to see a squadron of B-52 (or B-1s or B-2s for that matter) loaded up with munitions set to detonate at altitude: and release leaflets which said (in appropriate native language): "If we really wanted to, you'd all be dead right now," and have them "psy-ops" bomb Tehran, and Pyongyang.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 10:31 AM (8y9MW)

142


if our leaders were the kind of people they claimed to be (noble, stalwart guardians of truth and justice) they wouldn't need to hide their words.


That's ridiculous.

But do tell us how recess turns out.  That kid in your class that's eating paste looks a bit shifty to me.


Posted by: s'moron at November 30, 2010 10:32 AM (UaxA0)

143 He'll fold like a house of cards being carried by an 80 year old Parkinson's sufferer in a hurricane during an earthquake.

Posted by: rdbrewer at November 30, 2010 10:32 AM (OVpbA)

144 If we had real balls, we would put some juicy Russian mob info, some Hezbollah financial data, and a few webcam movies of PLA Colonels up on WikiLeaks -- then stand back.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2010 10:34 AM (judfL)

145 they are a bunch of spoiled little brats playing little reindeer games. 

Posted by: Shoey at November 30, 2010 03:30 PM (ehKDD)

 

Of course.  Little reindeer games that could get millions of people killed. 

Posted by: Soona at November 30, 2010 10:34 AM (HIlgc)

146 Posted by: Shoey at November 30, 2010 03:30 PM (ehKDD)

The point is that sometimes you need the "slam book" version of advice.  It's up to the actual diplomats and so on to make it digestible to their contacts, but sometimes the information you need about Saudi Diplomat so-and-so is "He's a jack-wagon."

A lot of times the stuff underlings need to tell their overlings isn't very nice, and if they believe they're going to be outed for it, they'll stop saying those things- no matter how necessary they might be for said overlings to have the good intel they need.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 10:34 AM (8y9MW)

147 Can't say I've ever seen that on Jack Hannah...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 03:31 PM (8y9MW)

It was the Christopher Walken version   (Excellent movie, BTW)

Posted by: Uncle Mike, from Poolhall Junkies at November 30, 2010 10:35 AM (G/MYk)

148 He'll fold like I have to fold my cock so I can wear shorts.

Posted by: Will Folks at November 30, 2010 10:35 AM (fOo+M)

149

He'll fold like the Texas Rangers in the World Series.

 

Posted by: dananjcon at November 30, 2010 10:35 AM (pr+up)

150

Putin will enjoy reading by the light of assange's irradiated corpse.

From behind leaded glass, naturally.  The refraction's better that way.

Posted by: s'moron at November 30, 2010 10:36 AM (UaxA0)

151

speaking up for virtue, expecting it, demanding it from ourselves, the people we surround ourselves with and our leaders is not a childish act.

to quote C.S. Lewis:

"We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and then bid the geldings to be fruitful."

Posted by: Shoey at November 30, 2010 10:37 AM (ehKDD)

152 119 - or you can go organic with a chicken wire wrap and a lonely Chesapeake Bay crick, just make sure it is a good year for crabs.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2010 10:37 AM (lnUW/)

153 He'll fold like that dirty little pamphlet in your daddy's bottom drawer.

Posted by: Frank Zappa at November 30, 2010 10:38 AM (fOo+M)

154 Posted by: dananjcon at November 30, 2010 03:35 PM (pr+up)

Hey, that was completely unnecessary.  We got our three home games, that's all that matters to us (so says the City of Arlington...)

Besides, if you're going to slam Texas pro sports teams, how about:
He'll fold like the Dallas Cowboys.

Really, I'm proud of what the Rangers did, but my 'boys are hurting me real bad.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 10:38 AM (8y9MW)

155

He'll fold like the Texas Rangers in the World Series.

 

He'll fold like the Texas Longhorn football team. 

 

Posted by: Soona at November 30, 2010 10:39 AM (HIlgc)

156

By the Way: A spy-type did write to me yesterday, to say that yes, intelligence agents already do prepare multiple versions of their reports in different levels of sensitivity.

Heh...did this conversation start off with; "Red fox to grey squirrel, come in grey squirrel..."

Posted by: dananjcon at November 30, 2010 10:39 AM (pr+up)

157 He'll fold like that dollar you had back before Obama took over.

Posted by: rdbrewer at November 30, 2010 10:39 AM (OVpbA)

158

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2010 03:37 PM (lnUW/)

There must be at least 50 ways...

Posted by: Paul Simon at November 30, 2010 10:39 AM (fOo+M)

159 135 Sometimes Bond movies write themselves.

I swear, the last ten years feel like the setup for a movie that somehow forgot to include a hero.  (I originally wrote 'Bond movie', but you could go with Batman or Dirty Harry or what have you.)

There may be something to take away from that fact...

Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord at November 30, 2010 10:40 AM (GBXon)

160 George W. Bush suppressed information about how truly bad-behaving North Korea was, because he was not ready to kick that particular hornet's nest, and Obama has continued doing so.

Needs citation.

Wouldn't it take dozens of nukes to get the little buzzers outta artillery range of Seoul as our 1st kick & hasn't the Proliferation Security Initiative somewhat caught the stings.

Posted by: Give W a little credit at November 30, 2010 10:42 AM (E8J8N)

161 Really, I'm proud of what the Rangers did, but my 'boys are hurting me real bad.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 03:38 PM (8y9MW)

Eh...you'll get no sympathy from me, I'm a NY Giants Fan. 

Bwahahhaahahaaa!!!

 

 

Posted by: dananjcon at November 30, 2010 10:42 AM (pr+up)

162

I swear, the last ten years feel like the setup for a movie that somehow forgot to include a hero.  (I originally wrote 'Bond movie', but you could go with Batman or Dirty Harry or what have you.)

Fuck Bond.  This is a Vince Flynn novel.

Posted by: Soona at November 30, 2010 10:43 AM (HIlgc)

163 Though, I might like to see a squadron of B-52 (or B-1s or B-2s for that matter) loaded up with munitions set to detonate at altitude: and release leaflets which said (in appropriate native language): "If we really wanted to, you'd all be dead right now," and have them "psy-ops" bomb Tehran, and Pyongyang.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 03:31 PM (8y9MW)

That would be pretty entertaining - we should test it out next time we have an excuse.  Alas, so many of our enemies are illiterate vermin...

I wonder if these wiki-pukes would be useful as a disinformation service.  I would love to see them "leak" reports about how the US almost nuked Falujah, how we have a death ray laser that shoots a beam from space that will make your guts explode, or other similar stories that will serve to scare the piss out of our enemies.  One of two things would happen - either our enemies would become more fearful (which is good) or the wikitraitors would lose credibility once the stories were found to be false.  Either way we win.

Posted by: Reactionary at November 30, 2010 10:44 AM (xUM1Q)

164 Robin, bring me a sticky bomb.

Posted by: Batman

 

Nope. You didn't say sticky batbomb. Or should it be, batstickybomb? Batbomb which is sticky?

 

Get it your damn self.

Posted by: Robin at November 30, 2010 10:44 AM (R2fpr)

165 He'll fold like the Texas Rangers in the World Series.


Hey, now THAT was uncalled for.......

Posted by: Sponge at November 30, 2010 10:44 AM (UK9cE)

166 Posted by: Soona at November 30, 2010 03:39 PM (HIlgc)

No argument here.  I'm an A&M / TCU fan.  And the Aggies are actually ranked this year.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 10:46 AM (8y9MW)

167 162

I swear, the last ten years feel like the setup for a movie that somehow forgot to include a hero.  (I originally wrote 'Bond movie', but you could go with Batman or Dirty Harry or what have you.)

Fuck Bond.  This is a Vince Flynn novel.

Posted by: Soona at November 30, 2010 03:43 PM (HIlgc)

 

If not for the loss of our bravest and in honor of the dearly departed Leslie
Nielson. I would say it resembles a Naked Gun movie.

 

Posted by: dananjcon at November 30, 2010 10:47 AM (pr+up)

168  119 - or you can go organic with a chicken wire wrap and a lonely Chesapeake Bay crick, just make sure it is a good year for crabs.

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2010 03:37 PM

Might make me think twice about what the crabs eat when I enjoy my next bushell. 

Posted by: Truck Monkey at November 30, 2010 10:48 AM (yQWNf)

169 http://tinyurl.com/2dylfvw

Wikileaks using Amazon.com servers

Posted by: Museisluse© at November 30, 2010 10:50 AM (DTfXb)

170 He'll fold like the Texas Rangers in the World Series.


Hey, now THAT was uncalled for.......

Posted by: Sponge ©

 

Agreed. They deserve some slack. After all, they were in a place that's very new and strange to them (world series)

Posted by: the rest of MLB at November 30, 2010 10:51 AM (R2fpr)

171 When in doubt, whack 'em out.

Posted by: Zombie Carlo Gambino at November 30, 2010 10:55 AM (xy9wk)

172

Though, I might like to see a squadron of B-52 (or B-1s or B-2s for that matter)

Yeah, me too. But we don't have a squadron--not a WWII squadron, anyway.

We have 160 strategic bombers, of all types, total.

We're a little short of warheads, too, and have no way to make more.

Posted by: A Liberal Arts Major at November 30, 2010 10:57 AM (hrwMe)

173 http://tinyurl.com/2dylfvw

Wikileaks using Amazon.com servers

Posted by: Museisluse© at November 30, 2010 03:50 PM (DTfXb)

At the link:

The site cablegate.wikileaks.org, which WikiLeaks is using for the diplomatic documents, is linked to servers run by Amazon Web Services in Seattle, as well as to French company Octopuce.


You knew the French had to be in there, somewhere. They can't help themselves.

Well, Amazon is dead to me. I never liked that company, but now they have shown their true colors, in full bloom.  Despicable, and then some.

Posted by: iknowtheleft®© at November 30, 2010 10:59 AM (G/MYk)

174 Another analysis of the wikileaks game:

http://tinyurl.com/39tyn6c

Posted by: Museisluse© at November 30, 2010 11:00 AM (DTfXb)

175 Posted by: A Liberal Arts Major at November 30, 2010 03:57 PM (hrwMe)

Yes, but when 6 of the things could drop enough conventional munitions to level most of a city, I'm not too worried about that.

And the point is that, every so often, we just have to remind them who they're messing with.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 11:02 AM (8y9MW)

176 "National security officials say that the National Security Agency, the U.S. government’s eavesdropping agency, has already picked up tell-tale electronic evidence that WikiLeaks is under close surveillance by the Russian FSB, that country’s domestic spy network, out of fear in Moscow that WikiLeaks is prepared to release damaging personal information about Kremlin leaders."

I'll believe it when Wikileaks releases proof.

The NSA is giving the public intel on an intel breech that was released to the public? And we're buying it? WTF?

Really, though, doesn't this sound like the type of misdirection the current administration uses constantly? Blame the other side in advance and then do exactly what you're accusing them of? Or at least muddy the waters so that when he disappears the U.S. isn't the only suspect?

Bush would have had this sack of shit kidnapped and turned over to the U.S. Army for trial. And been proud of it too.

Posted by: xavier at November 30, 2010 11:08 AM (6oW3J)

177

Looks to me like there's quite a few things you may be "not too worried about."

Are you pretty confident of our conventional munitions stockpile? I am not.

There's no sound as hollow as a saber rattling atop a paper tiger. Just saying.

Posted by: A Liberal Arts Major at November 30, 2010 11:08 AM (hrwMe)

178

@16: "There is a limit to how many fronts of a war we can fight at any one time- and we're kind of busy at the moment."

Which is why, since WWII at least, that it was always US policy to be able to fight at least two major wars at once.  For some reason, Dubya felt the need to abandon that policy.  As a result, we can barely fight one decent-sized war and one sideshow, and so major threats go unaddressed as a result.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at November 30, 2010 11:10 AM (xy9wk)

179 Julian could go to restaurant anywhere in the world, let's say a McDonalds and accidentally ingest an iridium 192 pellet.

Hey, it could happen.

Posted by: mpfs at November 30, 2010 11:10 AM (iYbLN)

180 Bush would have had this sack of shit kidnapped and turned over to the U.S. Army for trial. And been proud of it too.

Posted by: xavier at November 30, 2010 04:08 PM (6oW3J)


Sadly, he wouldn't.  Bush let the NYT and WaPo do even worse things and no one was ever brought up on charges of anything.  The Bush administration also couldn't find a way of pressing a treason charge against any of the American jihadis, either - not even that Lindh dipshit who was caught fighting with the enemy after 9/11.

Bush was better than the Indonesian in this area, but not much.  Bush used kid gloves so much that the Indonesian was able to just adopt most of Bush's tactics without any changes, at all.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at November 30, 2010 11:12 AM (G/MYk)

181 Posted by: A Liberal Arts Major at November 30, 2010 04:08 PM (hrwMe)

Yeah, actually I am.

Oh, I have no doubt we can't do as much whole-sale damage as we could in WWII, Korea, or even Viet Nam, but we can lay down the hurt on just about anyone we need to.  I would be concerned if we were talking about China or Russia- but we're not, and there's some indication than neither would lift a hand if we cut the NORKs down a notch or two.  Ditto for Iran.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) at November 30, 2010 11:14 AM (8y9MW)

182 Russia will make it look like he commited suicide by dismembering all his own limbs and mailing pieces of himself to family member/gay lovers.

Posted by: Aaron at November 30, 2010 11:20 AM (XUIJ5)

183 46

I don't like this WikiLeaks guy (cough) but I've come to the conclusion that the government should not be allowed to classify any documents other than current military operational info.

I think all this "leaking" has actually blown up in the faces of the leakers, all it really shows is the arrogance, shallowness and pettiness of the World's Ruling Class.

the revolution may begin anytime now... 

Posted by: Shoey at November 30, 2010 02:42 PM (ehKDD)

Sort of like classifying the US Army bringing all of those Nazi rocket scientists to the US after WWII.  That is just coming out in the past few years, and it should have never happened.

Posted by: Johnnyreb at November 30, 2010 11:33 AM (NNrYJ)

184

War - What's it good for?

Posted by: Tolstoy


LOL.

That's my line, suckers.

Posted by: Edwin Starr at November 30, 2010 11:39 AM (JxrwH)

185 WaPo has an accidentally hilarious column up claiming the Wikileaks dump proves that Bush's memoir is all lies and Barry is the most bestest handler of foreign policy ever.  It just states all that without actually stating anything to prove any of it.  Amazing.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 30, 2010 11:42 AM (p05LM)

186 Sort of like classifying the US Army bringing all of those Nazi rocket scientists to the US after WWII.  That is just coming out in the past few years, and it should have never happened.

Uh, Paperclip has been out in public knowledge for at least a decade and a half now.  And it's not like there was total ignorance of Von Braun's resume even back in the day, either.  Folks just sort of fooled themselves about how far 'in' these people were, papered it over, and pretended it was all on the up-and-up.

Self-delusion is what makes civilization work, often as not.

Posted by: AoSHQ's DarkLord at November 30, 2010 11:42 AM (GBXon)

187 "Luck often enough, will save a man, if his courage hold." - Buliwyf


Posted by: MCPO Airdale at November 30, 2010 11:53 AM (SsNRK)

188

“The Russians play by different rules.”

 

No kidding.  Plus, they probably wouldn't have allowed an idiotic 22-year old pouf to have access to their sensitive diplomatic materials in the first place.  But then, the Russians aren't nearly as enlightened and progressive as the Obama administration, are they?

 

Posted by: AZC at November 30, 2010 11:59 AM (P/M3M)

189 George W. Bush suppressed information about how truly bad-behaving North Korea was, because he was not ready to kick that particular hornet's nest, and Obama has continued doing so.

I don't think is strictly true, or that it is true of Bush alone. I am an old broad, I was born in 1951, during the Korean conflict and here I am all these years later and we are still talking about the North Koreans being a threat. I would say this problem goes back way way farther than Bush. NK has been a problem for so long that we just got used to them being a problem and that made it seem less threatening.

Posted by: Terrye at November 30, 2010 12:05 PM (/4D/H)

190

There's 'classification' and then there's 'need-to-know.' 

I'm an Army NCO with a Secret clearance at a somewhat sensitive post in Afghanistan (personnel without Secret or higher clearance can't enter my workplace, period).  A Secret isn't particularly uncommon, Army-wide; f'r'instance, every Army MP (my job) gets a Secret, or is supposed to.  Even with my clearance, I pretty much have to get specific authorization for each particular database to which I need access (i.e., demonstrate my need-to-know that info in order to do my job).

One of the criteria used in deciding upon classification levels is the potential damage done should the info come out.  Given the sensitivity of a lot of this Wikileaks stuff, I'm dumbfounded that so much of it was classified as low-level as it was.  The other breathtakingly stupid part is that somebody thought that PFC Manning (for whose firing squad I'll gladly volunteer) 'needed to know' details about State department cables, etc.  I'm gonna assume that was passive stupidity (i.e., nobody bothered to make sure that the kind of access Manning needed for his job WASN'T also giving him access to extraneous stuff), rather than active stupidity ("Let's make sure to give him access to extraneous stuff LOL"); in the military, the former is FAR more common.

Posted by: Prayerborne at November 30, 2010 12:21 PM (fL3jn)

191
"Sort of like classifying the US Army bringing all of those Nazi rocket scientists to the US after WWII.  That is just coming out in the past few years, and it should have never happened."

What shouldn't have happened - the classifying, or bringing them over?

The classifying ... well, immediately after WWII, people were a little uptight about Nazis. As for this being a secret, it was never a secret that these guys had worked on the V1 and V2 projects during the war. As Tom Lehrer sang in the early 1960s:

I just send them up
And where they come down
Is not my department!
Says Werner Von Braun.

As for the bringing them over, our alternatives were to shoot them or let the Russians have them. And Von Braun did build the Saturn V.

Posted by: Brown Line at November 30, 2010 12:22 PM (VrNoa)

192 I say we give Assbanger, 671 grains of diplomacy, eh what?

Posted by: Pewpewpew, your ded. at November 30, 2010 12:40 PM (X67eL)

193

POTUS Obama is sending his Attorney General Eric Holder to Switzerland to lobby for the World Cup.

You can't make this stuff up.


Posted by: Bitchen Meg at November 30, 2010 12:45 PM (tE8FB)

194 It's easy to say "tighten up on classification" and "don't let people see stuff they don't need for their job" but the problem is that it's really bizarre what people do need for their job. 

It's extremely difficult to connect the dots if you don't make the dots available to your analysts. It's also harder to connect those dots if you have to ask your supervisor for access to the dots repository every time you get a hunch about data that may not actually pan out into a legitimate insight.

Oh, and there is a level above the Venti sized classification: compartmented, or what your typical fiction writer calls "code word classified". Which is cool and all... but as this document dump shows, there is a lot of stuff out there that isn't at the highest levels. And if you look at the documents themselves, none of it should be at those higher levels.

Posted by: Darkmage at November 30, 2010 01:04 PM (Iw4ok)

195 So Bruce Sterling and William Gibson promised me a 21st century dystopian future full of wild ass cyberpunk and netdiving with cyberdecks and instead all we got was Julian #@#$ing Asange?

Great.Just great.

Not that I'm unhappy with Tivo and Netflix and  Minecraft and Anrgy Birds n' all that but....but...sniff....not gonna cry....*


Posted by: cackfinger at November 30, 2010 01:54 PM (P6dnR)

196 Because so many things are secret (or top secret, or above that, many people wind up not being able to do their jobs without secret (or better) clearance, so we grant them that clearance, and inadvertently wind up giving them access to stuff that's unnecessary to do their jobs as well as a lot more sensitive.




Did "need to know" access stop being part of the clearance policy since the last time I held a clearance?

Posted by: baldilocks at November 30, 2010 02:05 PM (t2hll)

197 I say this only because it's amusing, well, amusing to me. The Russkies are still smarting over that spy ring of losers & hussies we busted last summer. They needed to restore the good name of the KGB-->FSB. So they arranged for this dupe in Sweden to do us great shit. Seriously, I hope they make caviar out of his skull and invite Hillary.

Posted by: armchair pessimist at November 30, 2010 02:09 PM (mXSth)

198 Baldilocks, it's still there for the really important stuff.

And when was the last time you saw the State Department entrusted with the really important stuff?

Posted by: Darkmage at November 30, 2010 02:19 PM (Iw4ok)

199 The russians may just kill the fucker so that the US will be blamed...or the Jews...but hey, in the minds of many, that last part was redundant...

Posted by: Uncle Jefe at November 30, 2010 02:20 PM (+3fAP)

200 Plus, they probably wouldn't have allowed an idiotic 22-year old pouf to have access to their sensitive diplomatic materials in the first place.  But then, the Russians aren't nearly as enlightened and progressive as the Obama administration, are they?




There's no bottom age limit on high classified access.  I was 25 when I had it, but most get it when they first come into the service, finish boot/basic, finish tech school/AIT.  Assuming age 18 at entry, 19 or 20 is the age an analyst has attained upon going to work.

Posted by: baldilocks at November 30, 2010 02:35 PM (t2hll)

201 I hope Wikileaks does release stuff on the Russians.  Then we can sit back and watch the fireworks.  Putin is a maniac, but at least he kills the enemies of his country--he doesn't freakin' bow to them!!!

Posted by: Taxpayer at November 30, 2010 03:37 PM (NpmCe)

202 He won't do a document dump on the Russians unless he has a taste for polonium tea.

The Russians are thugs.  They don't play nice.

Posted by: crosspatch at November 30, 2010 08:38 PM (ZbLJZ)

203 Yerli yabanci vizyondaki tum film izle ve seyret

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