April 30, 2007

The Science Is Settled: Pot Increases Schizophrenia, Psychosis Risks
— Ace

Consensus! Sweet, sweet consensus.

Uncle Jefe wants to know if this contributes to the widespread delusional paranoia on the Truther left. So do I.

Brain scans showing how cannabis affects brain function may help explain why heavy consumption of the drug triggers psychosis and schizophrenia in a small number of people, scientists said on Monday.

Psychiatrists are increasingly concerned about the mental health impact of smoking large amounts of modern super-strength marijuana, or skunk, particularly among young people.

Until now, the mechanism by which cannabis works on the brain has been a mystery but modern scanning techniques mean experts can now detect its impact on brain activity.

...

Professor Philip McGuire and Zerrin Atakan of London's Institute of Psychiatry said their work using magnetic resonance imaging, or MRI, showed patients given the active cannabis compound tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) had reduced function in the inferior frontal cortex brain region.

This area is associated with controlling inappropriate emotional and behavioral responses to situations.

"What THC seems to be doing is switching off that part of the brain, and that was associated with how paranoid people became," McGuire told reporters.

Now, one may object that schizophrenia and psychosis only strikes a "small number" of "heavy marijuana users." However, it's rather difficult to believe that much greater numbers of people are affected with low-grade not-quite-clinically-diagnosable versions of schizophrenia. Such as acute lunatic paranoias about the physical impossibility of "fire melting steel."

But don't take my word for it.

Similar findings from other teams also highlight the link between THC dose and the risk of schizophrenia-like symptoms, conference organizer Professor Robin Murray said.

Now here's that sweet consenus I told you about:

"It's no longer a contentious issue. The expert community, by and large, accepts that cannabis contributes to the onset of psychotic symptoms in general and the severe form of psychosis, schizophrenia," he said.

Posted by: Ace at 12:13 PM | Comments (36)
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1

Anyone who has ever spaked one up can tell you that it makes you paranoid while you are stoned.


From what I have heard.  Not that I would know.


Posted by: Steve L. at May 01, 2007 03:00 AM (hpZf2)

2

Steve L.,


Yep - not that I would know...uh...personally. Many tokers have made the comment (for generations!) that they don't care for going out in public whilst stoned 'cause it "makes me paranoid". Gee, what an interesting 60's description. Science catches up.


Note that the article does not say that this is in any way a permanent condition, nor does it mention the degree of "paranoia". Note also that in order to be consciously aware of being paranoid, one usually has to have a reference condition to compare it to. Like...say...normal. Or...unstoned.


I'm gonna guess that this article is aimed at defusing the recent media assertions that Pot is harmless. I wonder which liquor lobby funded the research.


 


 


 


Posted by: Disengenuous Frito at May 01, 2007 03:10 AM (41Dd+)

3

Pot also stands accused of increasing estrogen in the body.


Having witnessed the occasional pot head who appeared to be on teh rag, I believe it.


Posted by: captkidney at May 01, 2007 03:10 AM (CUVj3)

4

Pot also stands accused of increasing estrogen in the body.


Man boobs from the salty snacks.  Big glorious man boobs.


Posted by: Monica at May 01, 2007 03:15 AM (rFLG5)

5

Man boobs from the salty snacks.  Big glorious man boobs.


Ha Ha!


So does this mean that, if pot use rises, I should by more stock in the Manzier?


Posted by: captkidney at May 01, 2007 03:30 AM (CUVj3)

6

Isn't this another case of science stating the obvious?


"New study says pot makes you paranoid"


What next, "New new study says pot makes you hungry"?


Posted by: Entropy at May 01, 2007 04:28 AM (m6c4H)

7 Pot effects different people in different ways and the same person in different ways at different times.  Having sampled various qualities and strengths off and on for nearly 40 years I have to agree that chronic use at high potency can be detrimental to your mental health (at least, temporarily).  On the other hand, it can be extremely enjoyable, can kick you out of a mental rut, and is the best aphrodisiac I know of.  Like other intoxicants, it's all about indulgence.  Chronic users have such side effects as excessive self centeredness, callousness, laziness and bad judgement.  Although I don't think it should be illegal,  I want people to know the many possible negative results it can induce.  And I don't want kids using it nor people driving while high on BC Bud.  The down sides of prohibition repeat what happened with illegal booze.  It make the cops the enemy of decent people and enriches the most violent predators in our society.  I could go on but you've likely heard it all.

Posted by: Gary Ogletree at May 01, 2007 04:48 AM (k/IuD)

8

Guess what, if you do a lot of ANYTHING (even drinking a lot of water), it's going to have side effects ranging from unpleasant to deadly.


Posted by: CozMark at May 01, 2007 04:50 AM (3030+)

9

Guess what, if you do a lot of ANYTHING (even drinking a lot of water), it's going to have side effects ranging from unpleasant to deadly.


Yeah, dude, pot is as harmless as water!


Posted by: I Knew a Guy Like This in Art School at May 01, 2007 05:01 AM (d+h6P)

10 This just in, massive consumption of oxygen can
 kill you!!!!! The same wth dihydrogen monoxide, sugar, and even fucking apple juice.

Posted by: ravenshrike at May 01, 2007 05:02 AM (C63A/)

11 So ummm....

Should I be concerned about "a small number" of people?

Is this effect permanent?

Is this "concensus" the same one that tells me humans are the cause of Global Waming?

Looks like the writer couldn't be bothered to tell us these things...

Posted by: Flsprtsgod at May 01, 2007 05:06 AM (AUpSY)

12 Uuuuuuh,,, what was I gonna post about again?

C'mon, tell me what I was gonna post about...!

Dammit, you're hiding my posts!

Posted by: richard mcenroe at May 01, 2007 05:09 AM (VRjm9)

13

Pot effects different people in different ways and the same person in different ways at different times.  Having sampled various qualities and strengths off and on for nearly 40 years I have to agree that chronic use at high potency can be detrimental to your mental health (at least, temporarily).  On the other hand, it can be extremely enjoyable, can kick you out of a mental rut, and is the best aphrodisiac I know of.  Like other intoxicants, it's all about indulgence.  Chronic users have such side effects as excessive self centeredness, callousness, laziness and bad judgement.  Although I don't think it should be illegal,  I want people to know the many possible negative results it can induce.  And I don't want kids using it nor people driving while high on BC Bud.  The down sides of prohibition repeat what happened with illegal booze.  It make the cops the enemy of decent people and enriches the most violent predators in our society.  I could go on but you've likely heard it all.


I am anti-pot but that is the most cogent and honest arguement for legalisation I have seen.


Posted by: captkidney at May 01, 2007 05:17 AM (CUVj3)

14 This is so bogus, dude.

Posted by: Toby928 at May 01, 2007 05:26 AM (ATbKm)

15

Uncle Jefe wants to know if this contributes to the widespread delusional paranoia on the Truther left.


It's not just pot can that make people crazy imo (in fact pot is for most people the least personality-altering illegal drug I know of). 


But a lot of the most angry arrogant liberals I've met are regular coke users, and although I don't know this from personal experience, my guess is that some of the moonbat gay insanity we see on the web is fueled by meth.


Posted by: max at May 01, 2007 05:35 AM (CAV4d)

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Uncle Jefe wants to know if this contributes to the widespread delusional paranoia on the Truther left.


No.  If you're already 100% delusionally paranoid, pot can't make it worse.


Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at May 01, 2007 05:36 AM (w4Bx4)

17

No.  If you're already 100% delusionally paranoid, pot can't make it worse.


It probably makes it better- demotivated paranoids might stick to plotting and never get around to executing.


Posted by: captkidney at May 01, 2007 05:41 AM (CUVj3)

18 You wanna talk about fear and paranoia? Try being at a party where you're the only one not toking up. Imagine Jerry Seinfeld walking into an Al Qaida meeting while wearing a yarmulke.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 01, 2007 06:09 AM (tVbxd)

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You wanna talk about fear and paranoia? Try being at a party where you're the only one not toking up. Imagine Jerry Seinfeld walking into an Al Qaida meeting while wearing a yarmulke.


Ha! I've been there. And the one idiot that doesn't know you ends up deciding you're a cop! Funny as hell.


Posted by: captkidney at May 01, 2007 06:12 AM (CUVj3)

20 Personally, I've never believed for a second that marijuana was harmless.

Posted by: Chris Oakley at May 01, 2007 06:17 AM (h5i8x)

21 As I noted in the last pot thread, the difference between the illegality of drugs and Prohibition is that the latter attempted to ban the very basis of Western civilization.

You don't toke the blood of Christ.

Posted by: someone at May 01, 2007 06:38 AM (TXnhk)

22 There's a "reality-based community" joke here someplace, but it's just not coming...

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at May 01, 2007 06:47 AM (tVbxd)

23 21 As I noted in the last pot thread, the difference between the illegality of drugs and Prohibition is that the latter attempted to ban the very basis of Western civilization.

You don't toke the blood of Christ.

 


Yeah, you're right Prohibition was repealed because people were mad because they couldn't drink wine during communion.  Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.  I guess that you wouldn't care to explain why it took an amendment to the constitution to ban alchohol (which has to be processed from raw materials) but banning marijuana (which requires no after harvest processing) was done simply by passing a law.  We could also get into the pernicous effects the Drug War has had on civil rights and how it has been used as a basis to expand the power of the federal government far beyond anything the framers could have imagined, but let's just leave it at "You don't toke the blood of Christ" since that makes so much sense as a public policy directive.


 




Posted by: Big E at May 01, 2007 06:52 AM (uw1/g)

24 Big E,

Reason Magazine has a blog. It's that way ------------------------>

Posted by: Jack M. at May 01, 2007 07:55 AM (gfp19)

25 I decided to never use any drugs that affect my mental state harder than caffine or alcohol after one of my buddies smoked a joint at a party, then laughed at the grill in the back yard of the place we were at for 2 hours.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at May 01, 2007 08:44 AM (VvXII)

26

I decided to never use any drugs that affect my mental state harder than caffine or alcohol after one of my buddies smoked a joint at a party, then laughed at the grill in the back yard of the place we were at for 2 hours.


Best arguement for prohibition I've seen.


Posted by: captkidney at May 01, 2007 09:05 AM (CUVj3)

27

Are you high?


I don't see how that's rele.....hey twinkies. 


24 Big E,

Reason Magazine has a blog. It's that way ------------------------>

 
Really?  It's to the right of here?  I never would have guessed.  In any case I can see that "you people" aren't ready for the Truth.  I'll try back later after I come down from all the LSD and Special K I took this morning (don't you Dare judge me you moralizing, prissy, uptight, puritanical, stick in the muds).
 


 


Posted by: Big E at May 01, 2007 09:35 AM (uw1/g)

28 Its the bud, man, stick with the mexican green.

Posted by: Toby928 at May 01, 2007 09:41 AM (ATbKm)

29

Chronic users have such side effects as excessive self centeredness, callousness, laziness and bad judgement. 


John Kerry is a heavy toker, then?


Posted by: OregonMuse at May 01, 2007 09:46 AM (jKVMN)

30

It isn't paranoia if somebody is really out to get you.


Does the term "War on Drugs" ring a bell?


 


Marijuana IS safer than water.


In 2000, there were 3,482 deaths from water overdoses in the United States.


http://www.poseidon-tech.com/us/statistics.html


The number who died from marijuana: 0 deaths from marijuana overdoses.


Posted by: Speller at May 01, 2007 11:57 AM (Sbnuy)

31

Yesterday, I had a REALLY great, funny comment to make, when the New Comments Thingy crashed and wouldn't take my comment. 


Today.... not so much.


Posted by: TXMarko at May 01, 2007 12:00 PM (cbeN2)

32

Oh... yeah.. now I remember.


Farther on down in the article was this nugget:


Markus Leweke of Cologne University said a clinical trial involving 42 patients showed CBD was as effective as the established medicine amisulpride, sold as Solian by Sanofi-Aventis, in treating patients with psychosis.


Summary:  Smoking a whole lot of the really good shit can make some people paranoid, especially if you are "young". 


This is news?


Posted by: TXMarko at May 01, 2007 12:06 PM (cbeN2)

33

I decided to never use any drugs that affect my mental state harder than caffine or alcohol after one of my buddies smoked a joint at a party, then laughed at the grill in the back yard of the place we were at for 2 hours.


Best arguement for prohibition I've seen.


What the writer left out was that everyone else at the party was standing around the same grill, cooking and telling jokes while enjoying the aroma of cooking meat.  Been there, done that.


Posted by: TXMarko at May 01, 2007 12:11 PM (cbeN2)

34 No, it was just Big Bill back there pointing at and laughing at the grill.  He didn't light up until after everyone had eaten.  By that point everyone else was in the front yard or in the house.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at May 01, 2007 02:30 PM (VvXII)

35 Now that I think about it, that's also the party where my roommate got drunk and decided to walk back to the dorm before I left.  He wasn't in the room when I got back or when I woke up.

We found him 2 1/2 blocks in the opposite direction from the dorm on someone's 2nd story roof.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at May 01, 2007 02:42 PM (VvXII)

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