July 24, 2018

The EPA May Terminate California's Very Special Right to Impose More Stringent Pollution-Control Measures Than the Clean Air Act Requires on the Rest of the Nation
— Open Blogger

Big, if true.

Summing up: the Clean Air Act enacts national standards for things like cars' exhaust. But it contains a provision which states that any state may be granted a waiver permitting them to enact even more stringent regulations, so long as they're "necessary" for that state.

California has sought such a waiver and has been granted that waiver for as long as the Clean Air Act has existed.

California is the country's largest auto-market, so car manufacturers just build for California. It would be more costly to set up factories to produce some cars that are California-legal and some others that are legal everywhere else. So the waiver permits California to essentially set the nation's car-exhaust policies.

This, of course, forces the rest of the country to subsidize California's environmental occultism, as the costs of these unnecessary abatement schemes are lowered in cost because their R&D costs are shared by a nation which doesn't need them, and California gets the savings of a massive economy of scale only by drafting unwilling Americans to be forced into being consumers of the products that they demand but which few others want.

Trump's EPA seems ready to end this special perpetual waiver.

Cue the whining about "owning the libs" from the people who are owned by the libs and want to remain owned by their generous liberal masters forever and ever.

Posted by: Open Blogger at 01:56 PM | Comments (270)
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1 I've informed teh ovvers.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 24, 2018 01:57 PM (fA1SL)

2 And if Californicate don't like it, they can leave. Please.

Posted by: WannabeAnglican at July 24, 2018 01:57 PM (Q4jRP)

3 Great!

Posted by: Surfperch at July 24, 2018 01:57 PM (A59VO)

4 I hope they go after the gas blends.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 24, 2018 01:58 PM (4ErVI)

5 The EPA.... now with more sanity... thanks again, President Trum

Posted by: kraken at July 24, 2018 01:58 PM (DpEis)

6 I honestly never dreamed we'd have someone as good as Trump for President. Fuck California, I'm so sick of that failed state thinking they are in charge of America. I'm sure though all the car makers will line up and denounce Trump since there never seems to be any penalty for Big Corps to play SJW all the while enjoining playing both sides.

Posted by: Jolly Roger at July 24, 2018 01:59 PM (UfkIY)

7 In fairness, smog has been a *real* problem in CA in the past, so more stringent emissions standards really WERE necessary here. Of course, now the eco-fiend luddites are defining carbon dioxide, which plants actually covet, as a "Pollutant".

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 24, 2018 01:59 PM (ujg0T)

8 It's not just cars, it's the stuff what goes in them. And it is mixed just for California.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 24, 2018 01:59 PM (/tuJf)

9 Cue the "if you do this, you'll kill Mother Gaia" crowd.

Posted by: shibumi at July 24, 2018 01:59 PM (AHNMM)

10 If we aren't careful, we may end up having a government FOR the People....

Posted by: kraken at July 24, 2018 02:00 PM (DpEis)

11 What about state's rights?

Posted by: The next addict at July 24, 2018 02:00 PM (IqV8l)

12 Trump is just trying to own the libs by ending their policies! Where are the PRINCIPLES?

Posted by: TruCons Everywhere, now with 80% more PRINCIPLES at July 24, 2018 02:00 PM (A59VO)

13 If they can do this for cars then why not guns?

Posted by: freaked at July 24, 2018 02:00 PM (UdKB7)

14 If you let clunkers from Mexico on your streets to haul goods or people, then your standards are a joke. We don't have strict federalism? Interstate Commerce Clause, BOFA.

Posted by: trev006 at July 24, 2018 02:01 PM (LBkA5)

15 Leftists got rid of 1 EPA administrative, it's their 2nd most feared government loss

Posted by: Skip at July 24, 2018 02:01 PM (pHfeF)

16 Constitution and Bill of Rights uber alles...

Posted by: kraken at July 24, 2018 02:01 PM (DpEis)

17 How funny the EPA fanatics thought ousting Scott Pruett would be the end of their troubles. Then, they got the coal guy. Just keeps getting better.

Posted by: Ever at July 24, 2018 02:01 PM (OLS0m)

18 Screw that Stae in particular. Good job PDTVSG.

Posted by: Hawkpilot [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] at July 24, 2018 02:01 PM (KCxuz)

19 I hope they go after the gas blends. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 24, 2018 06:58 PM (4ErVI) -------------- Me too. It is infuriating to pay $.50 more per gallon every mid May to mid September just so the Eco Nazis can feel better about themselves.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 24, 2018 02:01 PM (b3Pum)

20 EV's for everybody! Because electricity comes from magic and unicorn farts are the cleanest type of air.

Posted by: California at July 24, 2018 02:01 PM (HgMAr)

21 In fairness, smog has been a *real* problem in CA in the past, so more stringent emissions standards really WERE necessary here. Of course, now the eco-fiend luddites are defining carbon dioxide, which plants actually covet, as a "Pollutant". Posted by: Curmudgeon _____________ And computer controlled fuel injection fixed this, not bureaucrats from CARB. If CA had done zero on this issue, cars would still be 99% cleaner then they were. Liberals love to take credit for technology.

Posted by: Jolly Roger at July 24, 2018 02:02 PM (UfkIY)

22 If Trump goes through with this eevil Earth-murdering plan, then 50 million Americans will die from Acid Rain and GLOBULLL WARMENING.

Posted by: The MSM at July 24, 2018 02:02 PM (A59VO)

23 Well, this could get interesting. Our diesel trucks with a GVWR of more than 14,000 lbs, that are older than 2004 are not going to be allowed on the road starting in 2020. There is a repair for them but it is worth more than the trucks themselves. This is devastating for small business owners. So many are affected by this arbitary regulation. We already sold off several and had to replace them. Now we still have one left. Can't sell it, cuz they are no drivable here. And yes I do know others that sold them to other states at a great loss. This state sucks.

Posted by: sally at July 24, 2018 02:02 PM (sBDDH)

24 20 EV's for everybody! Because electricity comes from magic and unicorn farts are the cleanest type of air. Posted by: California at July 24, 2018 07:01 PM (HgMAr)
But heaven forbid you build the power plants necessary for all that electricity. The eco-Luddites here even shut down a perfectly functional atomic power plant, Rancho Seco, over hysteria.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 24, 2018 02:03 PM (ujg0T)

25 Also companies have to put on extra labels on some products just to cover Cali regulations. It's easier to just label all the products coming off the line the same rather than have a different line just for product going to CA.

Posted by: freaked at July 24, 2018 02:03 PM (UdKB7)

26 Fuck California and the horse they rode in on. Deny anything to them just out of hate and spite.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2018 02:03 PM (EoRCO)

27 EPA is the worst government agency in a government full of bad agencies

Posted by: Skip at July 24, 2018 02:03 PM (pHfeF)

28 I drove from San Diego to near LA on Thanksgiving a few years ago. I think I saw more cars in two years than there are in all Canada. So yeah California drives the automobile industry.

Posted by: Northernlurker lurkier than ever at July 24, 2018 02:03 PM (eAMlh)

29 Can the EPA order that all nuclear waste be dumped there as well? Thanks in advance, a grateful rest of the nation.

Posted by: ShainS at July 24, 2018 02:03 PM (TPROn)

30 Unicorn farts contain methane, a far more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. Stupid Californians.

Posted by: gebrauchshund at July 24, 2018 02:04 PM (fYnUU)

31 I hope they go after the gas blends. Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at July 24, 2018 06:58 PM From our cold, dead fingers.

Posted by: Ethanol Subsidy-recipient Iowa corn farmers at July 24, 2018 02:04 PM (EzdLW)

32 *tee hee*, somebody should go to Sacramento and debrief the over 50+ male members, to get to the sweet, rich, thick truth about what they think about this plan. As a public servant, I swear and vow to get to that creamy information that can be found erupting from Cali gov't sources' soft centers. Once that information is procured over many moonlight sleepless nights, I will diligently process it using my 4 data-information ports and spew it all over the NYT briefs for your enjoyment.

Posted by: Ali Watkins, NYT Reporter with Great Debriefing Skills at July 24, 2018 02:04 PM (Ta69/)

33 Unicorn farts contain glitter and rainbows.

Posted by: Hawkpilot [/i] [/s] [/u] [/b] at July 24, 2018 02:05 PM (tZuUx)

34 GLOBULLL WARMENING. ............ Warm good, cold bad. Ugh.

Posted by: Ugh the Caveman at July 24, 2018 02:05 PM (HgMAr)

35 Every one of us needs to get out there and vote this November as if our lives depended on it.  This man Trump is worth defending.  Because he fights.

THIS IS THE FUCKING HILL TO DIE ON.

Posted by: LGoPs at July 24, 2018 02:05 PM (RRchO)

36 Yeah and the Hawaiian judge will over rule it...

Posted by: It's me donna at July 24, 2018 02:05 PM (O2RFr)

37 Nearly everything you buy has some bullshit statement about what California thinks. "The State of California has determined this product will give you every horrible disease under the sun."

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at July 24, 2018 02:07 PM (nILVB)

38 Ethanol pushes the growing of corn in the Midwest, to the point where other crops don't even get a look...ethanol from corn influences the price of other corn derived products in a negative fashion.. I am too lazy to look up stats.... but they are out there.

Posted by: kraken at July 24, 2018 02:07 PM (DpEis)

39 And computer controlled fuel injection fixed this, not bureaucrats from CARB. If CA had done zero on this issue, cars would still be 99% cleaner then they were. Liberals love to take credit for technology. Posted by: Jolly Roger at July 24, 2018 07:02 PM (UfkIY)
But that was an innovation designed to beat an edict, at least back in 1970 it was. Again, the luddites today are defining carbon dioxide, upon which plants thrive, as a "pollutant". which shows how far up their asses their heads are stuffed. Still, once upon a time, tetraethyl lead and hydrocarbons in car exhaust were a real problem. CA can't face real problems, like illegal aliens, so it has to fabricate ones, like tranzgenderz and CO2

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 24, 2018 02:07 PM (ujg0T)

40 The Great Musk will save us all.With Teslas and underground tubes with magnetic bullet trains.It said so on the back page of the comic book, next to the nuclear submarine for $9.95.

Posted by: clutch cargo at July 24, 2018 02:08 PM (RHEDC)

41 From last thread: 293 Has Trump ever said who it was that recommended Rosenstein and Wray to him? Was it Reince Priebus, or do we just not know? Posted by: girldog at July 24, 2018 06:55 PM (g5YYQ) That would be Charles Cooper for rosenstein. Cooper is a DC attorney, now Sessions' personal attorney for the mueller probe, who arranged most of the DOJ appointments, including noel francisco (2nd to rosenstein), the solicitor general, who came from Cooper's law practice. Conflicting stories on wray.

Posted by: Ever at July 24, 2018 02:08 PM (OLS0m)

42 Hawaii judge says no.

Posted by: Captain Oblivious at July 24, 2018 02:08 PM (Astxw)

43 Do I get my old gas can back?

Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at July 24, 2018 02:08 PM (9dzlp)

44 And fuck all their CARB compliant gas cans and every other stupid Crapifornia dirt worshipping idea those hippie buttfuckers force on the rest of the states.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at July 24, 2018 02:08 PM (bML9A)

45 Wind farms are all the rage out here in flyover country... hey, nonpolluting free energy, right??

Posted by: kraken at July 24, 2018 02:09 PM (DpEis)

46 Have some crumbs, citizen.

Posted by: Your Generous Liberal Masters at July 24, 2018 02:09 PM (HgMAr)

47

 

Clifornia also requires it's own special blend of gasoline

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 24, 2018 02:09 PM (10vO4)

48 PET should, by EO, ban skillets. California would be devastated.

Posted by: Northernlurker lurkier than ever at July 24, 2018 02:09 PM (eAMlh)

49 >>>California has sought such a waiver and has been granted that waiver for as long as the Clean Air Act has existed. Ok, but couldn't CA simply re-enact the equivalent of the waiver via state legislation? Or would that be successfully challenged in the courts?

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 24, 2018 02:10 PM (/qEW2)

50 A group called Restore Hetch Hetchy met with Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke Sunday to discuss draining the Hetch Hetchy Reservoir, located in Yosemite National Park. The reservoir supplies water to San Francisco. It also supplies water for hydroelectric generation. The Restore guy says that can be made up with solar power. Yeah, sure.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 24, 2018 02:10 PM (IqV8l)

51 35 THIS IS THE FUCKING HILL TO DIE ON. Posted by: LGoPs at July 24, 2018 07:05 PM (RRchO) To paraphrase Patton, I don't want to die on a hill. I want to make the other sonofabitch die on his hill.

Posted by: rickl at July 24, 2018 02:10 PM (sdi6R)

52 I meant skullets, not skillets.

Posted by: Northernlurker lurkier than ever at July 24, 2018 02:11 PM (eAMlh)

53 Again, the luddites today are defining carbon dioxide, upon which plants thrive, as a "pollutant". which shows how far up their asses their heads are stuffed. Still, once upon a time, tetraethyl lead and hydrocarbons in car exhaust were a real problem.

And we also exhale CO2, making the very act of breathing a source of pollution.  You can't make this stuff up.  The Onion should file a lawsuit against the Left for stealing their material and putting them out of business.

Posted by: LGoPs at July 24, 2018 02:11 PM (RRchO)

54 In somewhat related news: July 19, 2018 Tesla is finally making enough Model 3s - but an analyst says many customers are growing too impatient to wait any longer for them. Cancellations for Model 3 orders have picked up in recent weeks. Refunds now outpace deposits for Tesla's new mass-market electric car, according to Needham And Co. analyst Rajvindra Gill. Tesla disputes that. In an analyst note delivered to clients Thursday, Gill cited extended wait times for the car, the expiration of a $7,500 tax credit, and the fact that Tesla has not yet made the $35,000 base model of the car available for purchase yet. About one in every four Model 3 orders is canceled, Gill said, double the rate from a year ago. via WUWT https://tinyurl.com/ycdea8j7 *Sad. Squeezes Elon's Musk gland*

Posted by: GnuBreed [/i] [/b] at July 24, 2018 02:11 PM (0ogQG)

55 >>That would be Charles Cooper for rosenstein. Not exactly a shocker of a pick. Longest serving federal prosecutor in the country sitting right next door in Maryland.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 24, 2018 02:11 PM (/tuJf)

56 No fanfare. Just kill the waiver(s). Every damn thing I buy has a tag that says, "This product contains a substance known to the state of california to cause cancer." I had to pay for that tag.

Posted by: Burnt Toast at July 24, 2018 02:11 PM (1g7ch)

57 As noted, parts of CA had photochemical smog issues, big time, which have largely been abated - though I'm not sure how much "regulation" had to do with it, and I *am* sure that most of the country didn't need the fix nor should have had to subsidize it. But feeling tingly that this kind of stuff is happening. To steal a meme I found annoying - faster, please. And to amend it - more, and faster, please.

Posted by: rhomboid at July 24, 2018 02:11 PM (QDnY+)

58 Me too. It is infuriating to pay $.50 more per gallon every mid May to mid September just so the Eco Nazis can feel better about themselves. Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 24, 2018 07:01 PM (b3Pum) Not to mention the lower gas mileage and damage to the engines...Ecotards, what can't they fuck up.

Posted by: Timon at July 24, 2018 02:11 PM (7Rpy3)

59 If Trump does nothing for four or eight years but fuck over California, I'm good.

Between the state tax reforms, the census reforms, the ICE reforms and a whole bunch of other things, I think we're well on the way...

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 24, 2018 02:11 PM (oVJmc)

60 High time to stop this nonsense. The reason we can't have interesting looking cars is because of California and their emission standards. Which shows you how far down that state has fallen.

Posted by: notsothoreau at July 24, 2018 02:12 PM (JKNZq)

61 The Great Musk will save us all.With Teslas and underground tubes with magnetic bullet trains.It said so on the back page of the comic book, next to the nuclear submarine for $9.95. Posted by: clutch cargo at July 24, 2018 07:08 PM (RHEDC) ............... Are they the same company that sold me Sea Monkeys?

Posted by: wth at July 24, 2018 02:12 PM (HgMAr)

62 "EPA May Terminate..." Yeah, Redstate, um, get back to us when it does happen. Much of what passes for news content today is like such-and-such "may" happen. Can't they just try reporting things that actually have happened or are happening? /grumpy

Posted by: Hands - I'm not clicking on it at July 24, 2018 02:12 PM (EzdLW)

63 Iz good idea for ban of exploration for fossil fuels as the carbonic essences yielded from their burn iz bad for nature.

Posted by: RUSSIAN BOT at July 24, 2018 02:12 PM (A59VO)

64 47 Clifornia also requires a special blend for gasoline ~~~ And one for Spring/Summer and another for Fall/Winter. FFS, there is only 2 seasons in SoCal: Summer and Rain (2 weeks in February).

Posted by: socalcon at July 24, 2018 02:12 PM (Roy2Z)

65 PET should,
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LOL.

Posted by: andycanuck at July 24, 2018 02:14 PM (Evws/)

66 Do I get my old gas can back? Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at July 24, 2018 07:08 PM (9dzlp) .............. It's in the mail, along with a couple decent light bulbs.

Posted by: wth at July 24, 2018 02:14 PM (HgMAr)

67 Oxygenated gas is what cuts down on smog. A lot of cities require it now.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at July 24, 2018 02:14 PM (xInes)

68 37 Nearly everything you buy has some bullshit statement about what California thinks. "The State of California has determined this product will give you every horrible disease under the sun." Posted by: Bicentennialguy at July 24, 2018 07:07 PM (nILVB) They even put that on coffee, FFS

Posted by: josephistan at July 24, 2018 02:14 PM (Izzlo)

69 Good Lord, first the firearms decision by the 9th Circuit and now this. Old Man Brown and the rest of the lib idiots downtown are not going to be happy, no matter how much legal weed they have.

Posted by: the Butcher at July 24, 2018 02:15 PM (DIosY)

70 Oh sweet mystery of life at last I found you . . . .

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 24, 2018 02:15 PM (dEQP3)

71 11 What about state's rights? Posted by: The next addict at July 24, 2018 07:00 PM (IqV8l) Dez the new rulz, BOFA.

Posted by: batterup at July 24, 2018 02:15 PM (U2JQS)

72 EPA is government overreach villain# 1... followed by IRS #2..,

Posted by: kraken at July 24, 2018 02:15 PM (DpEis)

73 Unicorn farts contain methane, a far more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. Stupid Californians. Posted by: gebrauchshund at July 24, 2018 07:04 PM (fYnUU) Water vapor! FTW. That damned dihydrogen monoxide strikes again.

Posted by: DR.WTF? at July 24, 2018 02:15 PM (T71PA)

74 Something tells me you dont like it when we tell the rest of the country how to live.

Posted by: San Franpsycho at July 24, 2018 02:15 PM (EZebt)

75 Gah, I hate those product labels with the California warning. My wife takes them seriously so I usually strip the labels before I give her the product.

Posted by: Embarrassing Stain at July 24, 2018 02:15 PM (wQtpC)

76 70 Oh sweet mystery of life at last I found you . . . . Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 24, 2018 07:15 PM (dEQP3) Yo' alex, long time no see...

Posted by: kraken at July 24, 2018 02:16 PM (DpEis)

77 66 Do I get my old gas can back? Posted by: Cuthbert the Witless at July 24, 2018 07:08 PM (9dzlp) If you live near a Buc-ee's you can.

Posted by: batterup at July 24, 2018 02:16 PM (U2JQS)

78 50 It also supplies water for hydroelectric generation. The Restore guy says that can be made up with solar power. Yeah, sure. meanwhile, malibu is scheduling blackouts because insufficient power.

Posted by: Anachronda at July 24, 2018 02:17 PM (xGZ+b)

79 Cali insists upon itself. Nobody thinks it's cute anymore.

Posted by: eleven at July 24, 2018 02:17 PM (2OH9H)

80 The Great Musk will save us all.With Teslas and underground tubes with magnetic bullet trains.It said so on the back page of the comic book, next to the nuclear submarine for $9.95. Posted by: clutch cargo at July 24, 2018 07:08 PM (RHEDC) Musk is just a modern day Charles Ponzi but legal like.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2018 02:17 PM (EoRCO)

81 >>>In fairness, smog has been a *real* problem in CA in the past, so more stringent emissions standards really WERE necessary here. Maybe so. But this is preferable than CA de facto inflicting their problems on the rest of the states. They can find other ways to deal with it. Maybe regulating emissions of factories to offset increased emissions of newer car models that don't comply with the waiver. Maybe mandating some sort of device be added to get the car to comply with the waiver.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 24, 2018 02:17 PM (/qEW2)

82 Cue the whining about "owning the libs" from the people who are owned by the libs and want to remain owned by their generous liberal masters forever and ever. Posted by: Ace of Spades at 06:56 PM Nikki Haley have a sppech to a graduation class telling them not to seek "owning the libs". Can't wait for the battered conservatives to elect her as POTUS to put other countries first as she surrenders to the invaders from other countries. https://www.breitbart.com/ national-security/2018/07/24/haleys-mixed-message- high-schoolers-dont-own-libs-stand-up-mob/

Posted by: 1st world problems yoga studio at July 24, 2018 02:17 PM (ue+Wr)

83 A group called Restore Hetch Hetchy met with Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke Sunday to discuss draining the Hetch Hetchy Reservoir, located in Yosemite National Park. The reservoir supplies water to San Francisco. It also supplies water for hydroelectric generation. The Restore guy says that can be made up with solar power. Yeah, sure. Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 24, 2018 07:10 PM (IqV8l)
A modest proposal: Hetch Hetchy is town down AFTER: 1. Sites Dam is built. 2. Temperance Flat Dam is built. 3. Auburn Dam is built. 4. The "Wild and Scenic Rivers" of the North Coast are dammed and diverted. Yes ceertain dams can be done with fish ladders and enough flow left over for the salmon and other fishies, and without flooding out anyone's Indian Reservation. 5. Another dam down stream from the Tuolumne River is built to make up for the lost Hetch Hetchy Storage. The Poopenaut Valley is a good site. 6. Shasta Dam is raised, as it can be. 7. Former Upper and Lower River Campgrounds in Yosemite Valley are restored. What good is a national park if people cannot enjoy it? 8. A proportionate number of campsites are built in the restored Hetch Hetchy Valley. The eco-fiends have a point--it IS a National Park. But if they want that precious pristine National Park restored, then let us build dams everywhere else.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 24, 2018 02:18 PM (ujg0T)

84 Oh sweet mystery of life at last I found you . . . .
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Uuungh.

Posted by: wonkenstein's monster at July 24, 2018 02:18 PM (Evws/)

85 As a kid growing up, every game show that gave away a car ..."includes California emission."

I thought it was stupid then.  Even moreso now.

Posted by: Bea Arthur's Dick at July 24, 2018 02:18 PM (jWe5r)

86 I'm of two minds about this. I think federalism is the alternative to national divorce. If one state wants to be loonies and other states want to be reasonable, why should the federal government step in except in in extreme cases? But hey, if we want to first show the liberals that nationwide one-size-fits-all won't always push us leftward, I'm all for it. I just hope we remember in the end how the country was supposed to be run, and give it another try.

Posted by: JPS at July 24, 2018 02:19 PM (xCyVD)

87 This will encourage Sacramento to raise car taxes and fees. They think only government and rich people should drive cars.

Posted by: torabora at July 24, 2018 02:19 PM (bppfg)

88 Isn't this similar to why we deplorables can't have clean dishes? IIRC, the state of Washington banned phosphates in regular dishwasher detergent, and the result was no phosphates in regular dishwasher detergent for all the rest of us.

Posted by: Furious George at July 24, 2018 02:20 PM (9vQJW)

89 The reason the Left has made so many gains is because many of us have lost our critical thinking skills.  And an argument can be made that schools and modern pedagogy have done this deliberately (an argument I happen to subscribe to).

We should however be able to win those skills back fairly easily because critical thinking is merely, IMO, a fancy way of saying you have a BS detector.  Or more politely, that you are skeptical at being spoon fed information and try to corroborate it from other sources before you accept it.  With all the over the top shrieking that the Democrat Left is dumping on America more and more people are hopefully becoming reacquainted with their BS meter.

I can only pray that it is so. 

Posted by: LGoPs at July 24, 2018 02:20 PM (RRchO)

90 This will rile up the witches, et al. And etc.

Posted by: ro-man at July 24, 2018 02:20 PM (RuIsu)

91

 

In fairness, smog has been a *real* problem in CA in the past, so more stringent emissions standards really WERE necessary here.

 

 

The smog  problem  was  almost  exclusively   in   L.A.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 24, 2018 02:20 PM (10vO4)

92 Maybe so. But this is preferable than CA de facto inflicting their problems on the rest of the states. They can find other ways to deal with it. Maybe regulating emissions of factories to offset increased emissions of newer car models that don't comply with the waiver. Maybe mandating some sort of device be added to get the car to comply with the waiver. Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 24, 2018 07:17 PM (/qEW2)
Once upon a time, Ford and GM had auto plants here specifically for this market. But I am sure you know what happened to that. Factories? They have driven out most of them!

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 24, 2018 02:21 PM (ujg0T)

93 David French wept.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 24, 2018 02:21 PM (Agn5J)

94 And we also exhale CO2, making the very act of breathing a source of pollution. You can't make this stuff up. The Onion should file a lawsuit against the Left for stealing their material and putting them out of business. Posted by: LGoPs at July 24, 2018 07:11 PM (RRchO) Wouldn't surprise me if they are knowingly aware of that. No bigger misanthropes than on the Left. They even think pets generate too much CO2, and they fear cow farts.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 24, 2018 02:21 PM (/qEW2)

95 Don't go to California. Everything causes cancer and birth defects there.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 24, 2018 02:21 PM (NWiLs)

96 There's legal and there's California legal.
So you can make your weed more powerful but not your car.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/u][/s] at July 24, 2018 02:22 PM (FhXTo)

97 >>>Don't go to California. Everything causes cancer and birth defects there. Exhibit A: Christina Hendricks' breasts.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at July 24, 2018 02:22 PM (Agn5J)

98 91 In fairness, smog has been a *real* problem in CA in the past, so more stringent emissions standards really WERE necessary here. The smog problem was almost exclusively in L.A. Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 24, 2018 07:20 PM (10vO4) I thought that was a smug problem?

Posted by: josephistan at July 24, 2018 02:22 PM (Izzlo)

99 Now if they could just get rid of Summer and Winter blends along with the ethanol subsidy...

Posted by: blake - used comment salesman at July 24, 2018 02:23 PM (WEBkv)

100 The air in LA did get better. But I still live 1200 miles away.

Posted by: Jeanne del norte at July 24, 2018 02:23 PM (efMXe)

101 100! Wow! Is that something?

Posted by: Jeanne del norte at July 24, 2018 02:23 PM (efMXe)

102 I get lectured about my paint, on paint cans, by California, here in Missouri.... yeah, they are a smug bunch.....

Posted by: kraken at July 24, 2018 02:23 PM (DpEis)

103 If this goes into effect, Tesla stock is going to take a dive.

Posted by: Eisenhorn at July 24, 2018 02:24 PM (F6tBH)

104 As a kid growing up, every game show that gave away a car ..."includes California emission." YOU get an EV and YOU get an EV and YOU get an EV and...

Posted by: Orca Winmills at July 24, 2018 02:24 PM (HgMAr)

105 I like the way this Trump fellow thinks!! And PDJT seems to have a crease in his suit trousers that's at least as impressive as that of the the former President, aka SCFOAMF, if I do say so myself!!

Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 24, 2018 02:24 PM (2sCft)

106 I saw an article this morning on this possibility over at Ars Technica. It was actually worse than I thought it would be. From claiming that this is an infringement of States' Rights, to complaints about the dark 1859-style racism of anyone to the right of Mao (and probably, some people to his left)... I could barely skim it, and it was at around 700 comments this morning. Probably more by now. And I was too busy to look at it in depth today, because I have work. If and when these people get power back they're going to grind us into little pieces in true Red Guard style and pretend they're fighting against the charge on Little Round Top. (If not for that, I could engage in a little emotional detachment, and say that I can appreciate a difference between real air quality measurements and their lumping in the very act of combustion as a form of air pollution, or the ZEV tax credit, which when you get right down to it is a way for a private company in California to collect taxes on other non-California companies' factories; a sort of backdoor internal tariff-in-all-but-name against the products of other states, collected in a form of tax farming that paints a thin libertarian-veneer over Roman Empire practices.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at July 24, 2018 02:24 PM (87ijN)

107 99 Now if they could just get rid of Summer and Winter blends along with the ethanol subsidy... Posted by: blake - used comment salesman at July 24, 2018 07:23 PM (WEBkv) That's a tall order. Maybe by Trump's 3rd term.

Posted by: josephistan at July 24, 2018 02:24 PM (Izzlo)

108 91 In fairness, smog has been a *real* problem in CA in the past, so more stringent emissions standards really WERE necessary here. The smog problem was almost exclusively in L.A. Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 24, 2018 07:20 PM (10vO4)
Eh, I grew up in San Jose and saw the "Janet Gray Haze" (a pun referring to the then Mayor) there, and frequent smog alert days too. Back then, a smog alert really WAS a serious situation; the "spare the air" ones they have now are the result of much tighter standards and are really mild.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 24, 2018 02:25 PM (ujg0T)

109 I would like a cloud of smog to descend on the whole state so thick it would obscure it from sea and from space. Assholes.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2018 02:25 PM (EoRCO)

110 100! Wow! Is that something? Posted by: Jeanne del norte at July 24, 2018 07:23 PM (efMXe) ++++ Yes, it is something. Just not sure what.

Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 24, 2018 02:25 PM (2sCft)

111 Hetch Hetchy can be drained and restored. There is room dowstream for a foothills dam. San Francisco can get it's electricity from solar cells and go without all night long.

Posted by: torabora at July 24, 2018 02:25 PM (bppfg)

112 This osmotically purified spring water has been determined by the State of California to contain substances known to cause cancer.

Posted by: Insomniac at July 24, 2018 02:25 PM (NWiLs)

113 >>I'm of two minds about this. >>I think federalism is the alternative to national divorce. If one state wants to be loonies and other states want to be reasonable, why should the federal government step in except in in extreme cases? The problem with California's ideas is that they don't stay in California. See illegal immigrants. Of course I wouldn't be opposed to building a wall around California.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 24, 2018 02:25 PM (/tuJf)

114

 

 The air in LA did get better.

 

Yes it did. But when I was a kid "healing"  the Santa Monica Bay was the other big eco project. Fifty years later they still advise you not to eat fish caught in the bay.

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 24, 2018 02:25 PM (10vO4)

115 For all the federalism complainers, the one thing the commerce clause was intended to prevent, is this. This is one thing that was in the constitution and if some farmer can be prevented from growing corn to feed his family because it impacts the corn market, then CA can be prevented from adding burdens to the auto market. I only hope it becomes a commerce clause battle, and the court gets a chance to toss out CA mandates and at the same time NARROW the application of the commerce clause. That would be big.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at July 24, 2018 02:25 PM (LWu6U)

116 Exhibit A: Christina Hendricks' breasts.
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Suffocation hazard.

Posted by: wonkenstein's monster at July 24, 2018 02:26 PM (Evws/)

117 Elections have consequences. Also, AP is a giant fraud and hopefully his website will go the way of Newsweek

Posted by: Dime 333 at July 24, 2018 02:26 PM (aR6C/)

118 I don't like this ... I'm sure I'll catch Hell for saying it. California can't FORCE Automakers to build to their standards ... anymore than they can force Gunmakers to build to their standards. Automakers choosing to make California the de facto standard is on the Automakers. You go down this road ... and the Federal Standard will become The Only Standard Allowed.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 24, 2018 02:26 PM (fiGNd)

119 There is no pleasing eco- nuts....

Posted by: kraken at July 24, 2018 02:26 PM (DpEis)

120 Why have we never heard about this shit before?  It should have never been permitted to begin with so yes kill this POS.  just remember the EPA was implemented under Nixon who was from CA and a huge RINO.

Posted by: Vic We Have No Party at July 24, 2018 02:27 PM (mpXpK)

121 California also determines what goes in your child's textbooks. Scary, right?

Posted by: ALH at July 24, 2018 02:27 PM (8kkL4)

122 I am sure Cash for Clunkers took care of all the real problems. That and making sure your tires are filled adequately. /s just in case it has to be said.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at July 24, 2018 02:27 PM (9zNTw)

123 You have emission probrem? We have rovery array of surgical mask. All our citizen in Beijing wear. Very fashionable, very reasonable plice. Unless evil Trump tariff them.

Posted by: PRC acme mask company at July 24, 2018 02:27 PM (/qEW2)

124 Fifty years later they still advise you not to eat fish caught in the bay. Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 24, 2018 07:25 PM (10vO4) Not even the three-eyed ones?

Posted by: wth at July 24, 2018 02:28 PM (HgMAr)

125 On smoggy days, why don't they just put the windmills in reverse and blow it away? That's what I do with my ceiling fan in the winter.

Posted by: Gentlemen, this is democracy manifest at July 24, 2018 02:28 PM (LWu6U)

126 111 Hetch Hetchy can be drained and restored. There is room dowstream for a foothills dam. San Francisco can get it's electricity from solar cells and go without all night long. Posted by: torabora at July 24, 2018 07:25 PM (bppfg)
It would serve them right. I just thought my Modest Proposal, which actually would generate more hydropower in the bargain, was better. They want a pristine National Park? Then let us build dams everywhere else that is not one.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 24, 2018 02:28 PM (ujg0T)

127 Well, well, well. https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/07/24/trumps-epa-outpaces-obama-in-cleaning-up-hazardous-sites/

Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 24, 2018 02:29 PM (dEQP3)

128 I am sure Cash for Clunkers took care of all the real problems. -------- I thought that said "Cash for Catholics" at first

Posted by: josephistan at July 24, 2018 02:29 PM (Izzlo)

129 Wacky doodle CA has been setting costly standards and practices that have metastasized throughout the rest of America for too long.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 24, 2018 02:30 PM (s9DTK)

130 There is no pleasing eco- nuts....

That's because this is their religion.  And unlike mine, they enforce their religion with government which ultimately means with force.

Which makes the Left's hatred of organized religion that much more hypocritical and loathsome.

Posted by: LGoPs at July 24, 2018 02:30 PM (RRchO)

131 Cali insists upon itself. Nobody thinks it's cute anymore. Posted by: eleven at July 24, 2018 07:17 PM (2OH9H) ++++ Remember when people just assumed California was on the cutting edge of, well, just about everything. Their policies were the inevitable wave of the future. Now they seem old and busted.

Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 24, 2018 02:30 PM (2sCft)

132 Hawaiian Judge to the rescue!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 24, 2018 02:30 PM (uoqdk)

133 127 Well, well, well. https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/07/24/trumps-epa-outpaces-obama-in-cleaning-up-hazardous-sites/ Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. at July 24, 2018 07:29 PM (dEQP3) Not to mention that unlike Obamam's EPA, Trump's hasn't caused any environmental hazards

Posted by: josephistan at July 24, 2018 02:30 PM (Izzlo)

134 If the EPA can loosen the CA environmental regulations and the new regs make the CA population sterile then we have the potential for a real win-win here.

Posted by: Smashing the Golden Calf at July 24, 2018 02:30 PM (WPxnj)

135 We need a superhero jingle for the Hawaiian Judge.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 24, 2018 02:31 PM (uoqdk)

136 California, the state that has dozens of cooking shows that throw away so much food that can feed all of the homeless in this country and yet we get lectured about exhaust fumes. To hell with all of these ppl. I hope the San Andreas Fault farts loud enough to break off that disgusting turd of a state and float it all the way to North Korea

Posted by: Dime 333 at July 24, 2018 02:31 PM (aR6C/)

137 Gas blends? What exactly are those? We all know about the 10% ethanol, but what does California require that's different? I thought they got rid of MTBE?

Posted by: Chris M at July 24, 2018 02:31 PM (6XZdO)

138 Which makes the Left's hatred of organized religion that much more hypocritical and loathsome. Posted by: LGoPs at July 24, 2018 07:30 PM (RRchO) Contrary to what people say ... ain't nobody that likes good tough competition.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 24, 2018 02:31 PM (fiGNd)

139 I get lectured about my paint, on paint cans, by California, here in Missouri.... yeah, they are a smug bunch..... Posted by: kraken at July 24, 2018 07:23 PM (DpEis) ----------- Back in about 2008, I owned a business in GA. I received a stern letter from the state of Cali about how any electronics (CRT Monitors, computers, etc.) must be taken to specialized recycling centers....in GA.....that charged a shitload of money for effectively taking it to a landfill. I had actually planned to do that, but those Eco Nazis pissed me off so much that I put all that on the curb next to trash cans instead. Terrorize your own citizens, Comrades. They choose to live there. Get the phuch out of my GA face with that crap.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 24, 2018 02:32 PM (b3Pum)

140 after a lifetime of prog creep I never thought I'd see the day it was rolled back. but Dr. President Donald John Trump seems to serve up two scoops of BTFO on an almost daily basis. I was an early MAGA adopter but he is exceeding expectations bigly.

Posted by: x at July 24, 2018 02:32 PM (nFwvY)

141 https://www.dailysignal.com/2018/07/24/trumps-epa-outpaces-obama-in-cleaning-up-hazardous-sites/ Posted by: alexthechick - Superelite Ragebunny. Hopping all around. Simple change of priorities. When they finish the job, shut it down.

Posted by: Braenyard at July 24, 2018 02:32 PM (s9DTK)

142 So... California is a failed state, then??? Like oh, say, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Britain, etc... Only they have a little more money...

Posted by: kraken at July 24, 2018 02:32 PM (DpEis)

143 111 Hetch Hetchy can be drained and restored. There is room dowstream for a foothills dam. San Francisco can get it's electricity from solar cells and go without all night long. Posted by: torabora at July 24, 2018 07:25 PM (bppfg) ++++ Can't San Francisco do something with all that human fecal matter laying about everywhere and use that to generate methane power??

Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 24, 2018 02:32 PM (2sCft)

144 If California falls into the ocean, whose fault will it be?

San Andreas', that's who.

*takes a bow*

Posted by: LGoPs at July 24, 2018 02:32 PM (RRchO)

145 Hawiian judge, Hawaiian judge He's got a great big ol' grudge Hawaiin judge, Hawaiam judge He's always wrong, but he won't budge Hawain judge, Hawaain judge!

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 24, 2018 02:33 PM (uoqdk)

146 The EPA May Terminate California's Very Special Right to Impose More Stringent Pollution-Control Measures Than the Clean Air Act Requires on the Rest of the Nation Yay! Go, Donald, go! Kick California in the balls!

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity [/i][/s][/b] at July 24, 2018 02:33 PM (YqDXo)

147 I thought that said "Cash for Catholics" at first K-A-R-S cars for Catholics.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 24, 2018 02:33 PM (IqV8l)

148 "We need a superhero jingle for the Hawaiian Judge." Lessee, what rhymes with Judge? Nudge, grudge, fudge, kludge. Yea we can work with that.

Posted by: freaked at July 24, 2018 02:33 PM (UdKB7)

149 Remember when people just assumed California was on the cutting edge of, well, just about everything. Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 24, 2018 07:30 PM (2sCft)
Once upon a time, CA really WAS, in terms of invention and innovation. :-( But now? It is the cutting edge of budding race riots, cultural marxism, rampant divorce and family breakdown, and teh tranzgenderz.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 24, 2018 02:34 PM (ujg0T)

150 Hawiian judge, Hawaiian judge He's got a great big ol' grudge Hawaiin judge, Hawaiam judge He's always wrong, but he won't budge Hawain judge, Hawaain judge! Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 24, 2018 07:33 PM (uoqdk) Spiderman theme?

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at July 24, 2018 02:34 PM (9zNTw)

151 "Trump's EPA seems ready to end this special perpetual waiver." That's the spoils of "I won". I understood that to be the new standard in The Year of Obama. So, cue the orders. Trump won. No point of winning if you can't redirect the country. And Trump earned it.

Posted by: AnonyBotymousDrivel at July 24, 2018 02:34 PM (6eEQ+)

152 Spiderman theme? Pretty much, yeah.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 24, 2018 02:34 PM (uoqdk)

153 Continuing on the subject: yesterday I found out that Elon Musk has silenced one of his major critics on Twitter, MontanaSkeptic1, by threatening to sue his employer. While I disagreed with him about a lot of stuff, in particular and unfortunately Trump (he's a squish), he was always informative. About Musk... I think he got lucky with Paypal, and that gave him enough money to power through a whole lot of bad decisions he made at SpaceX and make it successful anyway. As I emailed to a friend last night... Musk has a Ford Trimotor where all the rest of the world has Sopwith Camels. He stands on the threshold of being able to build a DC-3 of launch vehicles. And he's going to build his BFR instead, which I think is equivalent to the Spruce Goose. Howard Hughes could make idiot decisions like that and power through because his Dad invented the rotary drill bit when it would be, for anyone else, proof that they were an idiot. Hughes had some genius but he didn't always pay attention to it.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at July 24, 2018 02:35 PM (87ijN)

154 I thought for sure I'd get lucky and spell hawaiian right at least once.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 24, 2018 02:35 PM (uoqdk)

155 144 If California falls into the ocean, whose fault will it be? San Andreas', that's who. *takes a bow* Posted by: LGoPs at July 24, 2018 07:32 PM (RRchO) California... tumbles into the sea... https://youtu.be/Sq8OU-7JDFA

Posted by: josephistan at July 24, 2018 02:35 PM (Izzlo)

156 This is so good, I'm burning a tire right now to celebrate.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at July 24, 2018 02:36 PM (HiLJ1)

157 Hey Pedo Guy!  Snapperhead!  Take a powder!

Posted by: Elon Musk at July 24, 2018 02:36 PM (wjHbC)

158 Automakers choosing to make California the de facto standard is on the Automakers. You go down this road ... and the Federal Standard will become The Only Standard Allowed. Posted by: ScoggDog at July 24, 2018 07:26 PM (fiGNd) ======== Well if it'll make you feel better, who knows if this will really make a difference? The CA state legislature may enact the equivalent of the waiver. Someone may file suit saying it differs from the federal standard. The 9th circuit will dismiss the suit and SCOTUS will decline to hear any appeal.

Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 24, 2018 02:36 PM (/qEW2)

159 Spiderman theme? Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at July 24, 2018 07:34 PM (9zNTw) ===== Hawaiian Judge, Hawaiian Judge Does whatever a Supreme Court Justice does...

Posted by: Bicentennialguy at July 24, 2018 02:36 PM (nILVB)

160 111 Hetch Hetchy can be drained and restored. There is room dowstream for a foothills dam. San Francisco can get it's electricity from solar cells and go without all night long. Posted by: torabora at July 24, 2018 07:25 PM (bppfg) During the drought the entire state had to cut back on water usage and impose rationing, although the only places that really had a problem were SF and LA. SD gets its water from the Colorado River (and a new desalination plant), whereas the northernmost parts of the state get plenty of rain. So basically that asshole Moonbeam imposed draconian policies on the whole state to benefit the liberals in SF and LA who were/are too stupid to make provision for catching sufficient rainwater. And, of course, Moonbeam himself has so much to answer for, since his first official act when he became governor in 1975 was to scupper a comprehensive water infrastructure plan that was already approved and funded.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity [/i][/s][/b] at July 24, 2018 02:37 PM (YqDXo)

161 Spiderman theme? Pretty much, yeah. Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 24, 2018 07:34 PM (uoqdk) +++ Sadly, I still smile at the thought of Homer Simpson's rendition of Spiderpig in the Simpsons Movie..... Sad!

Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 24, 2018 02:37 PM (2sCft)

162 "This is so good, I'm burning a tire right now to celebrate."
Brake-torque it!

Posted by: Chris M at July 24, 2018 02:37 PM (6XZdO)

163 This is so good, I'm burning a tire right now to celebrate. Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at July 24, 2018 07:36 PM (HiLJ1) I love that smell ...

Posted by: Winnie Mandela at July 24, 2018 02:37 PM (fiGNd)

164 So... California is a failed state, then??? Like oh, say, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Britain, etc... Only they have a little more money...

Posted by: kraken at July 24, 2018 07:32 PM (DpEis)


=====================


... and Germany.

There is nothing on this Big Blue Marble more smug than a smug German.  When the Germans circular-filed their coal and nuclear power plants, the Krauts rubbed it in our face.  Then the bill came due, and power demand exceeded supply, by a huge margin.  Back to future?  Back to fossil fuel and back to the Russians.

Posted by: mrp at July 24, 2018 02:37 PM (Pqytn)

165

 

Gas blends? What exactly are those? We all know about the 10% ethanol, but what does California require that's different? I thought they got rid of MTBE?

 

Posted by: Chris M at July 24, 2018 07:31 PM (6XZdO)

 

 

California  has   a summer and a winter blend. The summer blend retards evaporation and is very expensive and difficult to produce. I don't know what the winter blend does

Posted by: Flawless Male Logic at July 24, 2018 02:38 PM (10vO4)

166 Deplorable Jay Guevara: "Yay! Go, Donald, go! Kick California in the balls!" Balls are gone. Moose out front shoulda told ya. We suggest the vajajay.

Posted by: Officer Russ Lasky at July 24, 2018 02:39 PM (6eEQ+)

167 We need a superhero jingle for the Hawaiian Judge." Lessee, what rhymes with Judge? Nudge, grudge, fudge, kludge. Yea we can work with that. Posted by: freaked at July 24, 2018 07:33 PM (UdKB7) --- Gimme a C! A bouncy C!

Posted by: Leonard Cohen at July 24, 2018 02:39 PM (vDqXW)

168 And he's going to build his BFR instead, which I think is equivalent to the Spruce Goose. Howard Hughes could make idiot decisions like that and power through because his Dad invented the rotary drill bit when it would be, for anyone else, proof that they were an idiot. Hughes had some genius but he didn't always pay attention to it. Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at July 24, 2018 07:35 PM (87ijN)
Had The Battle Of The Atlantic not been decisively won years earlier, the "Hercules" might have been genius. Batshit crazy, but the more I read about him, the more I admire him for just doing whatever the fuck he wanted to do, and admire him like his accountant Noah Dietrich did. Think of Donald Trump as a Howard Hughes *without* the hypochondria and the obsessive-compulsive disorder.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 24, 2018 02:39 PM (ujg0T)

169 President Trump who remembers he's president is best President Trump. Yeah, Mr President, YOU have the power to ram your Executive penis into all these leftist swamp rats.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 24, 2018 02:39 PM (uoqdk)

170 112 This osmotically purified spring water has been determined by the State of California to contain substances known to cause cancer. Posted by: Insomniac at July 24, 2018 07:25 PM (NWiLs) "Known to the state of California" The state that doesn't know how to keep out wetbacks, useless welfare recipients, drop a net on lunatics, fight public health threats such as AIDS and hepatitis A, keep the streets free of shit, hold down gangs, run a school system worth a damn, or keep a lid on perverts, much less how to manage its money. But toxicology, THAT they know all about.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity [/i][/s][/b] at July 24, 2018 02:39 PM (YqDXo)

171 Gas blends? What exactly are those? We all know about the 10% ethanol, but what does California require that's different? I thought they got rid of MTBE? Posted by: Chris M at July 24, 2018 07:31 PM (6XZdO) ++++ It's when I eat Mexican Food and Italian Food both within a twelve hour period.

Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 24, 2018 02:40 PM (2sCft)

172 Seems like an over-stepness of bounds. Sure, sticking it to CA is fun, but they aren't forcing anybody

Posted by: t-bird at July 24, 2018 02:40 PM (3KcdH)

173 The smog problem was almost exclusively in L.A. Posted by: Flawless Male Logic ________ Basically all of America had to go through automotive hell because Los Angeles had smog issues. Cleaner burning, more efficient automobiles were a natural technological evolution. But we had to have all sorts of rube goldberg contraptions that did very little until computer technology came round to placate people in Los Angeles

Posted by: Jolly Roger at July 24, 2018 02:40 PM (UfkIY)

174 Remember when these assholes had everyone install those hose end thingees at gas stations to capture the vapor escaping into the atmosphere or some other made up bullshit when you were filling up? Didn't work but some crook most likely made a bundle off of businesses being forced to buy them. They all ended up in the garbage bin, don't see them around anymore. Yea, California can go to hell in a hand basket.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2018 02:40 PM (EoRCO)

175 Its actually worse than written in the OP. Most after market mods to make your car more efficient, are illegal here. Companies have to pay Calif to get every model of their mod (say, Cat Back Exhaust system) tested on every model of car to be able to sell it here. What is really funny... is that the parts are often MADE in California... but can't be sold nor used here.

Posted by: Don Q at July 24, 2018 02:41 PM (NgKpN)

176 Of course, now the eco-fiend luddites are defining carbon dioxide, which plants actually covet, as a "Pollutant". Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 24, 2018 06:59 PM (ujg0T) But shit on the sidewalks is "organic," so not a pollutant, per the liberals. Only carbon dioxide is a pollutant.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity [/i][/s][/b] at July 24, 2018 02:41 PM (YqDXo)

177 Well if it'll make you feel better, who knows if this will really make a difference? The CA state legislature may enact the equivalent of the waiver. Someone may file suit saying it differs from the federal standard. The 9th circuit will dismiss the suit and SCOTUS will decline to hear any appeal. Posted by: Steve and Cold Bear at July 24, 2018 07:36 PM (/qEW2) Look ... on one hand - I get it. California taking a barbed-wire wrapped pineapple up the ass is ALWAYS a good thing. ALWAYS. I really get it. But it seems to me, if we're going with the notion of "Federal Standards" - which I fucking hate ... ... well, shit, that's it. I fucking hate them. The "Federal Standard" on Education sucks - and I applaud any State that deviates. Same for - well - everything. So ... Yay ... California got fucked on Trump's watch. But you watch. This will turn out to be "Stare Decisis" - Federal Standards Trump States (pun intended) - and we'll get fucked last.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 24, 2018 02:42 PM (fiGNd)

178 165 Well I would guess the winter blend promotes evaporation and is very expensive and difficult to produce

Posted by: Skip at July 24, 2018 02:42 PM (pHfeF)

179
Companies have to pay Calif to get every model of their mod (say, Cat Back Exhaust system) tested on every model of car to be able to sell it here.


And there is the racket that makes it immortal.

Posted by: Mr. Peebles at July 24, 2018 02:43 PM (oVJmc)

180 LA had smog when the priest show up to kill the Injuns. They burnt acorns to make a bad flour and the smoke cover the valley. Then the let in the Joooz to make movies, and oh fuk it all went to hell.

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 24, 2018 02:43 PM (JFO2v)

181 So the waiver permits California to essentially set the nation's car-exhaust policies. Same thing with textbooks. California is the largest market, so when the idiots here demand that textbooks glorify the achievements of various perverts, the ENTIRE COUNTRY gets stuck with endorsing perversion also.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity [/i][/s][/b] at July 24, 2018 02:43 PM (YqDXo)

182 174 Remember when these assholes had everyone install those hose end thingees at gas stations to capture the vapor escaping into the atmosphere or some other made up bullshit when you were filling up? Yea, California can go to hell in a hand basket. Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2018 07:40 PM (EoRC ++++ And I love my new five gallon gas can that has that Rube Goldberg designed pour spout that never works and causes you to spill a lot of gas all over the ground under whatever you are trying to fill up.

Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 24, 2018 02:43 PM (2sCft)

183 So basically that asshole Moonbeam imposed draconian policies on the whole state to benefit the liberals in SF and LA who were/are too stupid to make provision for catching sufficient rainwater. And, of course, Moonbeam himself has so much to answer for, since his first official act when he became governor in 1975 was to scupper a comprehensive water infrastructure plan that was already approved and funded. Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at July 24, 2018 07:37 PM (YqDXo) Just wait until the new 55 Gallons of water a day rule comes into effect!

Posted by: Don Q at July 24, 2018 02:43 PM (NgKpN)

184 Impossible!

Trump is a crypto-Prog who is going to turn over the Presidency to Hillary.

Anyday now...

Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 24, 2018 02:44 PM (be3F7)

185 Scogg: I am in the Louisiana Oilfield. We got fucked so hard by Oblahblah that we're still suffering the effects. Everything Obama did back when we were a larger producer he thought would hurt the US oilfield mainly made it harder for us to compete once fracking came along.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at July 24, 2018 02:44 PM (87ijN)

186 Attention all planets of the Solar Federation Attention all planets of the Solar Federation We have assumed control We have assumed control We have assumed control

Posted by: Priest of Syrinx at July 24, 2018 02:44 PM (ARUHl)

187 I want CA to reimburse me for the pain and suffering of my CARB compliant chainsaw that won't fucking start.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at July 24, 2018 02:44 PM (HiLJ1)

188 178 165 Well I would guess the winter blend promotes evaporation and is very expensive and difficult to produce Posted by: Skip at July 24, 2018 07:42 PM (pHfeF) I think there are 65 regional blends of petrol. Total bullshit!

Posted by: rhennigantx at July 24, 2018 02:44 PM (JFO2v)

189 Elton John and Prince Harry launch bid to 'smash' AIDS stigma

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 24, 2018 02:45 PM (IqV8l)

190 "I don't know what the winter blend does" It makes your exhaust smell link wintergreen. In the fall they use a different mix, "Pumpkin Spice".

Posted by: freaked at July 24, 2018 02:45 PM (UdKB7)

191 ++++
And I love my new five gallon gas can that has that Rube Goldberg designed pour spout that never works and causes you to spill a lot of gas all over the ground under whatever you are trying to fill up.

Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 24, 2018 07:43 PM (2sCft)


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And the "child-proof" cap.

Posted by: mrp at July 24, 2018 02:45 PM (Pqytn)

192 Yes, California is scheduled for self- termination

Posted by: Priest of Syrinx at July 24, 2018 02:46 PM (ARUHl)

193 186>>> Attention all planets of the Solar Federation Attention all planets of the Solar Federation We have assumed control We have assumed control We have assumed control Posted by: Priest of Syrinx at July 24, 2018 07:44 PM (ARUHl) +++ Ah, nice Rush "2112" reference. At least it drove Home Simpson singing the Spiderpig theme out of my head.

Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 24, 2018 02:46 PM (2sCft)

194 "And I love my new five gallon gas can that has that Rube Goldberg designed pour spout that never works and causes you to spill a lot of gas all over the ground under whatever you are trying to fill up." I'm told you can buy an aftermarket spout that works. They're sold as spouts for water cans.

Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at July 24, 2018 02:46 PM (HiLJ1)

195 Trump rips off the masks. And lances the boils.

And pus-bloated Sacramento needs a good prick.

Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 24, 2018 02:47 PM (be3F7)

196 OH.... and as I missed the last thread.. Politicians are often given INTERIM Clearances... ie short term non permanent ones. If the Prezzy needed one of these idiots, they could grant them an Interim...

Posted by: Don Q at July 24, 2018 02:47 PM (NgKpN)

197 g'early evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at July 24, 2018 02:48 PM (KCxzN)

198 Nobody cares about aids anymore. If you don't want aids, don't get aids.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 24, 2018 02:48 PM (uoqdk)

199 Re: Howard Hughes, the Proto-Elon: Had The Battle Of The Atlantic not been decisively won years earlier, the "Hercules" might have been genius. Batshit crazy, but the more I read about him, the more I admire him for just doing whatever the fuck he wanted to do, and admire him like his accountant Noah Dietrich did. Yah, but when you think about it, it basically boils down to he was an aircraft designer who managed to not really do anything productive during the entirety of WW2. And then still get praised as a genius.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at July 24, 2018 02:48 PM (87ijN)

200 191 ++++ And I love my new five gallon gas can that has that Rube Goldberg designed pour spout that never works and causes you to spill a lot of gas all over the ground under whatever you are trying to fill up. Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 24, 2018 07:43 PM (2sCft) ============================= And the "child-proof" cap. Posted by: mrp at July 24, 2018 07:45 PM (Pqytn) Which my 89 year old Mom can't open... /spit

Posted by: Don Q at July 24, 2018 02:48 PM (NgKpN)

201   I had a 1983 GMC pickup on a job that year that wouldn't go 70 mph and got 130 miles to the tankfull. Had to carry a 5 gal gas can everywhere

Posted by: Neverstopfishing at July 24, 2018 02:48 PM (H+FcZ)

202 187 I want CA to reimburse me for the pain and suffering of my CARB compliant chainsaw that won't fucking start. just think of all the emissions that saves!

Posted by: Anachronda at July 24, 2018 02:48 PM (NmR1a)

203 198 >>>Nobody cares about aids anymore. If you don't want aids, don't get aids. Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 24, 2018 07:48 PM (uoqdk) ++++ Like most STD's, that seems like a reasonable solution.

Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 24, 2018 02:48 PM (2sCft)

204 You are carbon based life forms.

Posted by: Mr Spock at July 24, 2018 02:49 PM (CBkgK)

205 Knock knock on your backdoor It's the suede denim secret police And they've come for your uncool niece California!!! Uber Alles!!! California!!! Oh Oh California!!

Posted by: Jello Biafra at July 24, 2018 02:49 PM (ARUHl)

206 Next thing you know, Californians will be forced to use more than one square of TP.


Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 24, 2018 02:49 PM (be3F7)

207 Same thing with textbooks. California is the largest market, so when the idiots here demand that textbooks glorify the achievements of various perverts, the ENTIRE COUNTRY gets stuck with endorsing perversion also. Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at July 24, 2018 07:43 PM (YqDXo) But it does not HAVE to be ... and it's a damn shame that it is. Count Electoral Votes - Indiana, Ohio, Michigan, and Kentucky collectively provide an equivalent market. No reason those states ... All Red the last go 'round ... can't get our shit together collectively and demand a "Non-California Compliant" option. Of course - it would be easier to do that if our respective State Governments had more control of our State Education Systems. And it would really help if Kentucky could read - that would drive up the demand for textbooks there.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 24, 2018 02:49 PM (fiGNd)

208 re: permits California to essentially set the nation's car-exhaust policies. Nassim Taleb's tyranny of the minority at work here.

Posted by: squeakywheel at July 24, 2018 02:50 PM (45Ydj)

209 Imagine if some people were sticking the hands into woodchipper. Would we gather all the Hollywood celerys and singers to have telethons and sing songs to raise money and "awareness" to help these poor people who just can't help but stick their hands in woodchippers?

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 24, 2018 02:50 PM (uoqdk)

210 Yea, California can go to hell in a hand basket. Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2018 07:40 PM (EoRC California is WAY ahead of you on that one. I just wish everyone who moved here from the Northeast and upper Midwest would go the hell back where they came from. My concern now: Texas looks like it's starting to go the same route as California. Yeah, I know, Texans think it can't happen there. I hope they're right. But I doubt it. Forty years ago California was like Texas is now, conservative, prosperous, and sensible. But the tumor started in SF/Berkeley, and then spread. Just as the tumor has now taken root in Austin.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity [/i][/s][/b] at July 24, 2018 02:51 PM (YqDXo)

211 205 >>> Posted by: Jello Biafra at July 24, 2018 07:49 PM (ARUHl) +++ My friend was in pretty tight with Jello Biafra back in the day. No lie. He has some pretty interesting stories.

Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 24, 2018 02:51 PM (2sCft)

212 Scogg: I am in the Louisiana Oilfield. Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at July 24, 2018 07:44 PM (87ijN) Dude ... it's almost 7:00 PM your time. If you're not drawing time and a half - go home. Have a beer. Eat a crawfish. You earned it.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 24, 2018 02:51 PM (fiGNd)

213 Yah, but when you think about it, it basically boils down to he was an aircraft designer who managed to not really do anything productive during the entirety of WW2. And then still get praised as a genius. Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at July 24, 2018 07:48 PM (87ijN)
IIRC, he had a hand in designing the Constellation, although that was largely Kelly Johnson's brainchild. Arguably the best transport plane of the piston-engine era.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 24, 2018 02:51 PM (ujg0T)

214 OMG We don't like Trump so we oppose this! Let's say this time it's because...um federalisticism in the good and plenty clause of the 41st amendment and also a mighty precidentalisms! #Resist!!!!

Posted by: Bill Kuckin' Kristol, Ben Squeak Shapiro & the Washington Consensus at July 24, 2018 02:51 PM (O7EKu)

215 176 But shit on the sidewalks is "organic," it's also free-range

Posted by: Anachronda at July 24, 2018 02:51 PM (NmR1a)

216 Texas used to be a big driver in the school book arena.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 24, 2018 02:51 PM (IqV8l)

217 "Well I would guess the winter blend promotes evaporation and is very expensive and difficult to produce"
I don't see why either would be expensive. That would be a simple thing to change.

Posted by: Chris M at July 24, 2018 02:52 PM (6XZdO)

218 Question: How many times are mcconnell and ryan gonna sternly declare Russia meddled in the election? Answer: As many times as their asked by the Fake News.

Posted by: Soothsayer -- Fake Commenter at July 24, 2018 02:53 PM (uoqdk)

219 oh yeah, let's get all worried about the stigma now, 35 years after it would do any good.

Posted by: Ayds at July 24, 2018 02:53 PM (nFwvY)

220 211 205 >>> Posted by: Jello Biafra at July 24, 2018 07:49 PM (ARUHl) +++ My friend was in pretty tight with Jello Biafra back in the day. No lie. He has some pretty interesting stories. Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 24, 2018 07:51 PM (2sCft)
Isn't he a complete leftist asshole? I know punk rock is full of them, but he's full blown Noam Chumpsky meets Mikey Moore asshole.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 24, 2018 02:53 PM (ujg0T)

221 There's something more to this. I understand California is a big state. But they're not half of the damned country. Their market is not THAT friggin' big, compared to the rest of pie.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 24, 2018 02:53 PM (fiGNd)

222 re: permits California to essentially set the nation's car-exhaust policies.

Nassim Taleb's tyranny of the minority at work here.

.....


The minority plus 100 jillion screaming illegal Mexicans.

Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 24, 2018 02:53 PM (be3F7)

223 Roll-backs are good. Reprisals are better.

Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 24, 2018 02:54 PM (fA1SL)

224 Elton John and Prince Harry launch bid to 'smash' AIDS stigma Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 24, 2018 07:45 PM (IqV8l) Can I get together with Prince, The Homeless Guy Under the Overpass, and launch a bid to "smash" Elton John? Another breach loader that needs to go away already.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2018 02:54 PM (EoRCO)

225 194 "And I love my new five gallon gas can that has that Rube Goldberg designed pour spout that never works and causes you to spill a lot of gas all over the ground under whatever you are trying to fill up." I'm told you can buy an aftermarket spout that works. They're sold as spouts for water cans. Posted by: Meade Lux Lewis at July 24, 2018 07:46 PM (HiLJ1) I heard a story, had to be a story and not actual fact, that you can buy aftermarket air vents and drill a hole in the can and have it pour just like Grandad's can did!

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at July 24, 2018 02:54 PM (di1hb)

226 And in other news, Justine Damond's father is suing Noor, Harrity, the former and current police chiefs, and the city of Minneapolis itself over the murder of his daughter. To the tune of $50 million.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 24, 2018 02:55 PM (smCLJ)

227 222 re: permits California to essentially set the nation's car-exhaust policies. Nassim Taleb's tyranny of the minority at work here. ..... The minority plus 100 jillion screaming illegal Mexicans. Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 24, 2018 07:53 PM (be3F7)
The CA GOP may save itself by exploiting every rift between the Pinks and Greens on one side, and the Browns on the other. That lefty coalition really is Dogs and Mailmen.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 24, 2018 02:55 PM (ujg0T)

228 Texas used to be a big driver in the school book arena. Texas did, and Green Chucky Small Balls made a lot of hay about that when Texas' board of education was proposing standards on that.

Posted by: boulder t'hobo at July 24, 2018 02:55 PM (N1ZXu)

229 Used to work in an RnD lab for a paint company. ONE COUNTY in California was basically setting the wood stain "emission" standards we were following, and we were in Iowa!

Posted by: pookysgirl at July 24, 2018 02:56 PM (XKZwp)

230 223 Roll-backs are good. Reprisals are better. Posted by: Your Decidedly Devious Uncle Palpatine, SMR and Ancient Slavonaut Newsletters at July 24, 2018 07:54 PM (fA1SL) We should become YouTube Sensations! "Oddly Satisfying Reprisals"

Posted by: Iron Mike Golf at July 24, 2018 02:56 PM (di1hb)

231 All of this bullshit with special winter blends, oxygenated gasoline, ethanol, etc. is just graft for certain groups and virtue signaling. Once cars with carburetors stopped being built, the smog/air quality issue was fixed. It just took a few decades for those cars to stop being used and off the road. All of these newer regulations are just getting blood out of a stone. Eventually electric cars will tale over anyway in the coming decades. And then the eco terrorists will go after "energy hog" electric cars.

Posted by: Jolly Roger at July 24, 2018 02:56 PM (UfkIY)

232 221 There's something more to this. I understand California is a big state. But they're not half of the damned country. Their market is not THAT friggin' big, compared to the rest of pie. Posted by: ScoggDog at July 24, 2018 07:53 PM (fiGNd) No, of course not. But building different cars for different markets loses economy of scale advantages. It's easier just to accommodate the gnarliest place, because then you can sell your cars / textbooks everywhere without a second thought. That is, until and unless the other markets get pissed off at having California dictate policy to them.

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity [/i][/s][/b] at July 24, 2018 02:56 PM (YqDXo)

233 Isn't he a complete leftist asshole? I know punk rock is full of them, but he's full blown Noam Chumpsky meets Mikey Moore asshole. Posted by: Curmudgeon at July 24, 2018 07:53 PM (ujg0T) ++++ Yes, as far as I know, Mr Biafra is a stark raving mad leftist. I believe he's big on the Green Party. I never said my friend wasn't also a crazed, but somewhat mellowed leftist. He and I agree on a few things, but disagree on most things. But we both were into punk at the same time in our lives.

Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 24, 2018 02:57 PM (2sCft)

234 199 Re: Howard Hughes, the Proto-Elon: Had The Battle Of The Atlantic not been decisively won years earlier, the "Hercules" might have been genius. Batshit crazy, but the more I read about him, the more I admire him for just doing whatever the fuck he wanted to do, and admire him like his accountant Noah Dietrich did. Yah, but when you think about it, it basically boils down to he was an aircraft designer who managed to not really do anything productive during the entirety of WW2. And then still get praised as a genius. Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at July 24, 2018 07:48 PM (87ijN) The XF-11 is arguably the best looking plane of the WWII era, if nothing else

Posted by: josephistan at July 24, 2018 02:57 PM (Izzlo)

235 I partied with the band after a gig in Sac in '81 after "Too Drunk To Fuck". Biafra was totally normal but we were frying on acid so it probably just seemed that way, lol.

Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at July 24, 2018 02:58 PM (ARUHl)

236 'ONE COUNTY in California was basically setting the wood stain "emission" standards we were following' How was the performance and cost of the stain affected by having to meet that standard? Would you say it was significant?

Posted by: freaked at July 24, 2018 02:58 PM (UdKB7)

237 That's something worth getting tattooed on your penis. "Contains substances known by the State of California to cause cancer."

Posted by: Robert at July 24, 2018 02:59 PM (Zogyx)

238 There's something more to this. I understand California is a big state. But they're not half of the damned country. Their market is not THAT friggin' big, compared to the rest of pie. Posted by: ScoggDog at July 24, 2018 07:53 PM (fiGNd) ---------------- Somebody else mentioned this earlier. There was once a time when the nuttiness was self contained because those that sold to Cali actually manufactured in Cali for that states needs. Then Cali chased out Mfrs. with taxes and regulations. It is a big enough market that I can easily see mass producers making their products to Cali standards for the entire Country in order to save manufacturing costs.

Posted by: Calm Mentor at July 24, 2018 02:59 PM (b3Pum)

239 Used to work in an RnD lab for a paint company. ONE COUNTY in California was basically setting the wood stain "emission" standards we were following, and we were in Iowa! Posted by: pookysgirl at July 24, 2018 07:56 PM (XKZwp) I believe you 100% ... and that shit is not because of one county in California. That is because of the "I Must Obey" impulse in people. They see a "standard" - and they will never, ever think - "Do I Care" ? The NFPA writes the "National Electric Code". I get into this all the time with people. The "National Electric Code" is not law. Every State has the option to make it law. Indiana chooses to - with exceptions. But pounding the notion that - just because somebody chose to write rules down in a book doesn't make it law - is pretty much a losing battle.

Posted by: ScoggDog at July 24, 2018 02:59 PM (fiGNd)

240 The sad thing is pretty much with few exceptions most of what Trump has done can simply be undone by a future Dem or Republican administration.

Which is why the GOP has pretty much relegated Trump to the EO and rules route.

The GOP is a useless pile of dog shit.

Posted by: Kreplach at July 24, 2018 03:00 PM (FquqN)

241 The Republic XF-12 Rainbow was a far superior aircraft in every way in comparison to the Hughes XF-11.

Unfortunately things changed. The mission was never needed. And then one of the Rainbows crashed.

Posted by: Anna Puma (HQCaR) at July 24, 2018 03:00 PM (smCLJ)

242 Iced Nood.

Posted by: Axeman at July 24, 2018 03:00 PM (vDqXW)

243 "Solyndra".

Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 24, 2018 03:00 PM (be3F7)

244 Forty years ago California was like Texas is now, conservative, prosperous, and sensible. But the tumor started in SF/Berkeley, and then spread. Just as the tumor has now taken root in Austin. Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity at July 24, 2018 07:51 PM (YqDXo) Yup...the locusts get hungry and move to greener pastures, which of course they ruin. Austin is a harbinger.

Posted by: Hairyback Guy at July 24, 2018 03:00 PM (EoRCO)

245 I want California to pay to remove the check engine light that will not go out because of 'Low Catalytic converter efficiency'.

Posted by: Aetius451AD Work Laptop at July 24, 2018 03:00 PM (9zNTw)

246 Remind me what value California brings to the table as a part of the USA? I'm sure it's something, but all I can think of is -a giant horde of foreign nationals with no loyalty to the rest of us, plus -The Hollywood economy which has been revealed as front for a rape and child exploitation -Sillicon valley has become a giantbdata harvesting operation for the deep state - All topped off with San Francisco's legendary 20+ lbs bags of human excrement. Can Trump force them into Independence?

Posted by: Nationalist Pikachu at July 24, 2018 03:01 PM (O7EKu)

247 Abolish Nood. Nood on ICE.

Posted by: Top Men at July 24, 2018 03:02 PM (vDqXW)

248 235>> I partied with the band after a gig in Sac in '81 after "Too Drunk To Fuck". Biafra was totally normal but we were frying on acid so it probably just seemed that way, lol. Posted by: Balrog of Morgoth at July 24, 2018 07:58 PM (ARUHl) +++ Sounds similar to my friend's experiences with Biafra. I was never into drugs as a punk. I was a "clean" punk and thought that drug use was just one more horrible thing about mainstream rock that I rejected. I was a smug little asshole at the time, a real moron. Now I've come full circle and am proud to be a Moron.

Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 24, 2018 03:03 PM (2sCft)

249 Posted by: sally at July 24, 2018 07:02 PM (sBDDH) Sally, if your fleet has any Ford 7.3L diesels or Dodge with 5.9L Cummins, I will come out there from Michigan and buy every one of them.

Posted by: clutch at July 24, 2018 03:04 PM (kiSdp)

250 And then one of the Rainbows crashed. What a metaphor!

Posted by: Bertram Cabot, Jr. at July 24, 2018 03:04 PM (IqV8l)

251 55 Not exactly a shocker of a pick. Longest serving federal prosecutor in the country sitting right next door in Maryland. Posted by: JackStraw at July 24, 2018 07:11 PM (/tuJf) Except, if your goal is to drain the swamp, why would sessions via cooper choose rosenstein, obama-bush swamp guy? Cooper can be blamed for many of the problems in DOJ, including henry kerner (mccain former staffer), head of the Office of Special Counsel, who JW outted as urging lois lerner go after the tea-party.

Posted by: Ever at July 24, 2018 03:04 PM (OLS0m)

252 233 Yes, as far as I know, Mr Biafra is a stark raving mad leftist. I believe he's big on the Green Party. I never said my friend wasn't also a crazed, but somewhat mellowed leftist. He and I agree on a few things, but disagree on most things. But we both were into punk at the same time in our lives. Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 24, 2018 07:57 PM (2sCft) "California Uber Alles" was a good song. Intentionally or not, it portrayed the hippie/vegetarian/environmentalist crowd as wannabe Nazis. I'm not aware of other punk songs quite like it. (I wasn't into punk that much, so it's entirely possible there are other songs I'm not familiar with.)

Posted by: rickl at July 24, 2018 03:06 PM (sdi6R)

253 Abolish ICEholes!

Posted by: Roman Moronie at July 24, 2018 03:06 PM (vDqXW)

254 There's so much to say about this topic. CARB is a totalitarian regulatory bureau. Low sulfur diesel being one of it's most infamous debacles. The idiotic gas cans versions 1-4. Regulating 2-strokes to disaster. MTBE. Draconian VOC requirements. Of course they let thier brown-skinned slave underclass keep their leafblowers. Because raking leaves costs more than Pelosi's voters want to pay for yard upkeep.

Posted by: 13times at July 24, 2018 03:08 PM (K3B2k)

255 San Francisco (2018 version) by Tony Bennett I left my shit in San Francisco. Down on the ground it smells like...shit. It stinks where little cable cars climb halfway to the stars. The morning stench may fill the air, A smell so rare. I run like hell from San Francisco. Run from the blue and windy sea. Should I come home to you, San Francisco? Your stinky turds and rancid pee?

Posted by: zombie at July 24, 2018 03:09 PM (c+2jX)

256 252 233 Yes, as far as I know, Mr Biafra is a stark raving mad leftist. I believe he's big on the Green Party. I never said my friend wasn't also a crazed, but somewhat mellowed leftist. He and I agree on a few things, but disagree on most things. But we both were into punk at the same time in our lives. Posted by: SteveOReno, as an intelligent person, I self-identify as a Moron at July 24, 2018 07:57 PM (2sCft) "California Uber Alles" was a good song. Intentionally or not, it portrayed the hippie/vegetarian/environmentalist crowd as wannabe Nazis. I'm not aware of other punk songs quite like it. (I wasn't into punk that much, so it's entirely possible there are other songs I'm not familiar with.) Posted by: rickl at But there's good news: Johnny Rotten is a major Trump fan and Brexit supporter! : https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ john-lydon-trump-brexit-nigel-farage-support-sex-pistols-singer-good-morning-britain-a7652981.html Calls him "a political Sex Pistol."

Posted by: zombie at July 24, 2018 03:12 PM (c+2jX)

257 Does this mean we might be able to buy functioning gas cans in the future?

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living at July 24, 2018 03:12 PM (3DZIZ)

258 246 Remind me what value California brings to the table as a part of the USA? I'm sure it's something, but all I can think of is -a giant horde of foreign nationals with no loyalty to the rest of us, plus -The Hollywood economy which has been revealed as front for a rape and child exploitation -Sillicon valley has become a giantbdata harvesting operation for the deep state - All topped off with San Francisco's legendary 20+ lbs bags of human excrement. Can Trump force them into Independence? Posted by: Nationalist Pikachu at July 24, 2018 08:01 PM (O7EKu) Think, Grasshopper, think. California is now the social equivalent of Love Canal. Do you really want to cause earnest asshole liberals to scatter far and wide across the nation?

Posted by: Deplorable Jay Guevara, now with an added spark of divinity [/i][/s][/b] at July 24, 2018 03:14 PM (YqDXo)

259 Next thing you know, Californians will be forced to use more than one square of TP.


Posted by: dyno-elite canned hate at July 24, 2018 07:49 PM (be3F7)



Whatever. I'm using the sprayer attachment on my kitchen sink.

Posted by: Sheryl Crow at July 24, 2018 03:15 PM (sXefu)

260 The XF-11 is arguably the best looking plane of the WWII era, if nothing else If you call 1946 WW2. Compare with the Mosquito.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at July 24, 2018 03:16 PM (87ijN)

261 Excerpt from the "Segregation" section of my Occupy report: ---- SEGREGATION But not all is rosy in this new society. Some of the very worst customs already banned from our existing society have re-emerged at Occupy Oakland. One of the ugliest of these is segregation. The encampment has already fractured into a series of micro-neighborhoods, just like a real city. But at Occupy Oakland, where you are permitted to live is determined by your gender and/or racial or sexual identity. Here, for example, is a roped-off "gated community" reserved exclusively for female, gay and transgender residents. Elsewhere are tents with a "minorities only" rule. And lest you might be so naive to think that these rules would only ever apply to the Occupy camp, and not to the city at large should the Occupiers ever take over, be aware that one of the Occupation's many demands is to "Stop White Gentrification in Oakland" -- which would mean the establishment of new laws preventing white people from moving into certain neighborhoods. Yes, my friends, the Occupy movement has made segregation trendy again! --- Click to see the photos: http://zombietime.com/occupy_oakland_10-22-2011/

Posted by: zombie at July 24, 2018 03:19 PM (c+2jX)

262 Posted by: ScoggDog at July 24, 2018 07:26 PM (fiGNd) Yeah, Ca cannot force automakers to comply with their regs, but the Detroit automakers sell a ton of trucks there, so pour your DEF into the tank.

Posted by: clutch at July 24, 2018 03:20 PM (kiSdp)

263 OOps, willowed.

Posted by: Thing From Snowy Mountain at July 24, 2018 03:20 PM (87ijN)

264 Ooops, ignore comment #261 -- wrong thread!

Posted by: zombie at July 24, 2018 03:20 PM (c+2jX)

265 Oxygenated gas is what cuts down on smog. A lot of cities require it now.

Posted by: CSMBigBird at July 24, 2018 07:14 PM (xInes)


"Oxygenated" means "partially pre-burnt", meaning you get fewer miles per gallon, because less energy content in the fuel.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at July 24, 2018 03:31 PM (4FKb7)

266 Dirty air and respiratory diseases to own the libs?

Posted by: Joe at July 24, 2018 04:05 PM (B9cpP)

267 ULINE makes a steel gas can, they are expensive and they are magnificent! I have 4, got tired of the tall plastic jugs and those darn anti-spill cans that always spill.

Posted by: RobInKaty at July 24, 2018 04:28 PM (hQb6B)

268 267 ULINE makes a steel gas can, they are expensive and they are magnificent! I have 4, got tired of the tall plastic jugs and those darn anti-spill cans that always spill. Posted by: RobInKaty at July 24, 2018 09:28 PM (hQb6B) ULINE is great. We buy some of their cardboard shipping boxes at work. They have literally a hundred different sizes of boxes for any application imaginable. And that doesn't even scratch the surface of what is available from their catalog.

Posted by: rickl at July 24, 2018 04:59 PM (sdi6R)

269 2 How about we just give southern California back to Mexico.  Then we can deport DiFi.

Posted by: jdgalt at July 24, 2018 05:11 PM (3SFo/)

270 As a daily visitor of the internets toilet known as 4chan, it appears Ace had been lurking there too much based on his byline, I'm worried. Pretty soon he will have a fetish for shemales and a yearly subscription to BLACKED.COM.

Posted by: Joe Mah Mah at July 24, 2018 05:42 PM (kijX4)

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