April 29, 2011

The Conspiracy Widens: FoxNews Reports Their Expert Says Birth Certificate Is 100% Genuine
— Ace

I don't believe him. He doesn't have a psuedonym and a blog.

He said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings—and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Tremblay explained that the scanner optical character recognition (OCR) software attempts to translate characters or words in a photograph into text. He said the layers cited by the doubters shows that software at work – and nothing more.

“When you open it in Illustrator it looks like layers, but it doesn’t look like someone built it from scratch. If someone made a fake it wouldn’t look like this,” he said.“Some scanning software is trying to separate the background and the text and splitting element into layers and parts of layers.”

Tremblay also said that during the scanning process, instances where the software was unable to separate text fully from background led to the creation of a separate layer within the document. This could be places where a signature runs over the line of background, or typed characters touch the internal border of the document.

What would a forgery look like?

“I’d be more afraid it’d be fake if it was one in piece. It would be harder to check if it’s a good one if it’s a fake,” Tremblay said.

That's exactly what Nate Goulding, NRO's tech-guy, said, but we won't believe these guys, because they know what they're talking about.

This Market-Ticker guy, though. He knows. He knows. And also, the Kenyan Birth Certificate, signed by Dr. Color-Safe Tide, that's the real one.

And: Before I get more whines that I shouldn't be posting about this, that I should let people have their delusions rather than splitting the party -- fine.

Then how about I don't have to read about this batty bullshit in every thread?

If it's in a thread, then it's being put out to the public, and then I have the right/duty to call nonsense and made-up horseshit for what it is.

If it's some sustaining privately-held fantasy, fine, but then we don't have to keep hearing about this dopiness every ten minutes, either.


Posted by: Ace at 01:44 PM | Comments (215)
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1 Yep.  The whole thing's over.  That's why we're all still playing. 

Posted by: The War Between the Undead States at April 29, 2011 01:48 PM (FYCiJ)

2 Aww, I thought we were moving on to transcripts and Barry's dirty deals with Rezco etc etc.

Posted by: Palerider at April 29, 2011 01:48 PM (dkExz)

3 Good time for the AoSHQ weekend Lifestyles post .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at April 29, 2011 01:48 PM (npr0X)

4 Fox can't get their crawler spelling correct half the time and I'm going to believe them on this one. I don't think so.

Posted by: Barbarian at April 29, 2011 01:49 PM (EL+OC)

5
It's settled, Obama was born in Hawaii of undetermined parentage.

Posted by: Fish the Impaler at April 29, 2011 01:50 PM (ndqJC)

6 Or maybe "Gulf drilling moratorium and gas over $4/gal. Breaking BLM leases after companies paid for them. Bowing to the Saudi royal (or as I call it, mooning Americans)

Posted by: Palerider at April 29, 2011 01:50 PM (dkExz)

7 >>>Fox can't get their crawler spelling correct half the time and I'm going to believe them on this one. I don't think so. Right, let's go with the guy with the *blog.* He has a YouTube clip and everything. *CASE CLOSED*! Q.E.D., thank you, drive through.

Posted by: ace at April 29, 2011 01:51 PM (nj1bB)

8 "If it's some sustaining privately-held fantasy, fine, but then we don't have to keep hearing about this dopiness every ten minutes, either." I've hardly mentioned my dream about getting a BJ from Princess Kate--oh wrong fantasy--nevermind

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 29, 2011 01:52 PM (i6RpT)

9 Thanks ACE! CHEER, the BC is FAB and is turning the TIDE! That is ALL.

Posted by: Color Freshing Borax at April 29, 2011 01:53 PM (d6wkB)

10 OCR scanning documents with text-obscuring forgery-prevention measures is dumb enough for government work.

IN GOLD 3D BUTTS

Posted by: oblig. at April 29, 2011 01:53 PM (xvZW9)

11

CHROMATIC ABERRATIONS, SHEEPLE!!!  WHERE ARE THE CHROMATIC MOTHERFUCKING ABERRATIONS?!

 

IT'S LIKE THE FUCKING MYSTERY OF THE VAMPIRE THAT DIDN'T SPARKLE!!!

 

 

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 29, 2011 01:53 PM (lGFXF)

12 fugggg..I pinky swore...so I'm not saying a word

Posted by: beedubya at April 29, 2011 01:53 PM (AnTyA)

13 OK doubters.
Now that a Fox news pundit has given the 100% OK.
Guess what?
 That 0.0001% chance that we could ever win on this topic
just got 8 more zeros added to the right of the decimal.

The Paramedic said it's dead
The doctor pronounced it dead
The coroner has done the autopsy. (And agrees the patient is in fact dead)
We have started the embalming process.
By tomorrow morning the news cycle will have buried this.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at April 29, 2011 01:53 PM (0q2P7)

14 Born in Hawaii? Can he play the ukulele?

Posted by: The Donald at April 29, 2011 01:54 PM (YZISw)

15

You've already proven that your pinky swear is worthless, beedubya.

You should cut that sumbitch off, Yakuza-style.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 29, 2011 01:55 PM (lGFXF)

16 How I long for the Palin threads of yore.

Posted by: garrett at April 29, 2011 01:55 PM (jyGn7)

17 Hold on ......he has a YouTube clip ? Well this changes everything .Game over , man .... game freaking over !

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at April 29, 2011 01:55 PM (npr0X)

18

Stanley was a teenage boy.

Orly Titz told me.

Posted by: TexasJew at April 29, 2011 01:55 PM (uR5Zf)

19

 

11

CHROMATIC ABERRATIONS, SHEEPLE!!!  WHERE ARE THE CHROMATIC MOTHERFUCKING ABERRATIONS?!

 

THEY'RE ON THE CHROMATIC MOTHERFUCKING PLANE!

Posted by: louisianaLightning at April 29, 2011 01:56 PM (W1mrP)

20 Or two jets for one of the myriad vacations (because Barry can't fly with an unclean dog? the american taxpayers shelled out ANOTHER ~500K) Or screwing GM bondholders before the AUW had to so much as sell off their golf course. Or ramming through Obomacare with a temporary senator from Mass? Or a stimulus bill that had more special interest liberal pork than actual Keynes type spending --I think Keynes is stupid but they didn't even do it, it was over 50% pure political graft.

Posted by: Palerider at April 29, 2011 01:56 PM (dkExz)

21 Dilemma at Daily Kos. Fox says BC is legit. Fox lies constantly. Heads explode like cantaloups dropped from skyscraper rooftop hitting pavement...

Posted by: Joejm65 at April 29, 2011 01:56 PM (BDB5n)

22 5 It's settled, Obama was born in Hawaii of undetermined parentage. Posted by: Fish the Impaler at April 29, 2011 06:50 PM (ndqJC) And he's a bastard, and his communist father commited statuatory rape. And bigamy.

Posted by: Dreams from My Father at April 29, 2011 01:57 PM (d6wkB)

23 I don't believe him. He doesn't have a psuedonym and a blog. MORE IMPORTANTLY, not a single word was CAPITALIZED, in spite of the ANTICHRIST OBAMA'S PLOT to turn America into a HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNIST STATE.

Posted by: Ken at April 29, 2011 01:58 PM (65RBP)

24 Fox can't get their crawler spelling correct half the time and I'm going to believe them on this one. I don't think so.

Elvis is DEAD.
Hoffa is DEAD.
Hitler is DEAD.
Jim Morrison is DEAD.

Being able to do anything* with Obama's BC is DEAD.

*Other than print it and use it as bathroom tissue.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at April 29, 2011 01:58 PM (0q2P7)

25 WHERE ARE THE CHROMATIC MOTHERFUCKING ABERRATIONS?!

I think I saw them in a picture of the grassy knoll.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose at April 29, 2011 01:59 PM (0q2P7)

26 Stanley was a teenage boy. But Jeremiah Was A Bullfrog

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 29, 2011 01:59 PM (i6RpT)

27
 On an unrelated note--today, in a fit of rebellion against the drumbeat of DOOM,a goodly portion of the afternoon was spent braking several traffic laws and noise ordinances.  Burnouts are loud. Speed is intoxicating. The quarter mile flew by in a bit over 12 seconds.

  And best of all, we spewed huge amounts of pollution into the air.

Posted by: irongrampa at April 29, 2011 01:59 PM (ud5dN)

28 I'm no expert, but open the long form in MS preview and blow it up 600 or better and look at the "1" on the end of the 10641.  Not same slant or resolution as other numbers. The flat line on the "1" is parallel to line below. The others are not. Not saying its a fake, but sure looks as if number is.

Posted by: Farmer at April 29, 2011 02:00 PM (lbYkB)

29 22: LOL, OK there was humor to be found in this topic and I was wrong to rant about not dropping it.

Posted by: Palerider at April 29, 2011 02:00 PM (dkExz)

30 Just get one of Rick's buddies, Drew or Dana, on Pawn Stars to check it out and tell Rick how much it's worth.

How hard was that?

Posted by: Fukitol at April 29, 2011 02:00 PM (1/ti6)

31 Mulligan: It's settled, Obama was born in Hawaii of undetermined parentage. Posted by: Fish the Impaler at April 29, 2011 06:50 PM (ndqJC) And he's a bastard, and his communist father commited statuatory rape. And bigamy. Posted by: Dreams from My Father at April 29, 2011 06:57 PM (d6wkB)

Posted by: Dreams from My Father at April 29, 2011 02:00 PM (d6wkB)

Posted by: Living Colour at April 29, 2011 02:01 PM (jyGn7)

33

Watch as we uncover a sekrit conspiracy stretching back all the way to 1961 in the riveting new YouTube documentary...

 

L O O S E

 S H I T

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 29, 2011 02:02 PM (lGFXF)

34 Fox News?

FOX NEWS?

Fuckin' RINOs . . .

WHAT ABOUT THE SNIPES!??!??!???

Posted by: filbert at April 29, 2011 02:03 PM (smvTK)

35 Jeeez...why y'all going on about this crap?

Posted by: beedubya at April 29, 2011 02:04 PM (AnTyA)

36 Barry is apparently the second "Natural Born American" born a foreign citizen to be elected President - Chester Arthur was the first. (that is - of the one's who didn't qualify for the grandfather clause the founders put in the Constitution).


Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 02:06 PM (RnujI)

37 Jeeez...why y'all going on about this crap? Posted by: beedubya at April 29, 2011 07:04 PM (AnTyA) Your right. So what'd you think about Kate Middleton's Dress?

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 29, 2011 02:06 PM (i6RpT)

38
Your right. So what'd you think about Kate Middleton's Dress?

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 29, 2011 07:06 PM (i6RpT)

When she marries, Miss Lindsey Graham will replicate Kate's dress choice.


Posted by: Fish the Impaler at April 29, 2011 02:07 PM (ndqJC)

39 Your right. So what'd you think about Kate Middleton's Dress?

I thought Pippa was Teh Hawt.

Posted by: filbert at April 29, 2011 02:08 PM (smvTK)

40 We have much more pressing problems and questions. Did Ace see Atlas Shrugged? Is his review going to clock in under 15,000 words? Since milk is now cheaper than gas per gallon, can you run your car on milk?
 
I've got questions dammit, and I expect some answers.

Posted by: GnuBreed at April 29, 2011 02:09 PM (ENKCw)

41 So he was born in Canada?

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 29, 2011 02:09 PM (GC5/b)

42 I didn't put much stock in the layer theory. I saw the same complaint made about the original Short Form birth certificaTION.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 02:10 PM (v2K2g)

43 Ok, so the White House uses off the shelf shit scanning software. Right. Anyway, back to enjoying high gas & food prices. How's that hope & change workin for ya 52%'ers???? I hope you choke on fucking $7 a gallon soon.

Posted by: TexBob at April 29, 2011 02:11 PM (7cXE7)

44 42 So he was born in Canada?

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 29, 2011 07:09 PM (GC5/b)


The evidence is appearing to be against it. Damn!

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 02:11 PM (v2K2g)

45 No one would have used the word "African" in 1961. It's simply not possible. Only someone forging a document TODAY would use that word.

Posted by: Passably Affable at April 29, 2011 02:11 PM (2Ukpz)

46 Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 07:10 PM (v2K2g)

I haven't been following all the comment threads on this. Just curious...have you thrown in the towel on this now that it's been released?

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 02:12 PM (ehlWj)

47 14 Born in Hawaii? Can he play the ukulele?

Posted by: The Donald at April 29, 2011 06:54 PM (YZISw)


According to the "Abstract of the record on file" He did. It's signed by someone named Ukulele.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 02:13 PM (v2K2g)

48 It is much harder to forge a crossbow than a long bow. Enuf said.

Posted by: MCPO Airdale at April 29, 2011 02:13 PM (FAyWo)

49 I'm no expert, but open the long form in MS preview and blow it up 600 or better and look at the "1" on the end of the 10641.  Not same slant or resolution as other numbers. The flat line on the "1" is parallel to line below. The others are not. Not saying its a fake, but sure looks as if number is.

Posted by: Farmer at April 29, 2011 07:00 PM (lbYkB)

OK: Back in 1961, when stacks of serialized forms were printed, a mechanism in the printer stamped the serial number from rotating digit wheels onto the physical paper.  You would certainly expect that not all the digits would necessarily look the same, due especially to uneven wear on the wheel in the 1's place (which gets the most rotations).

We sometimes forget that not so long ago, the world was analog and mechanical, not digital and electronic.

Posted by: stuiec at April 29, 2011 02:14 PM (Di3Im)

50 47 Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 07:10 PM (v2K2g)

I haven't been following all the comment threads on this. Just curious...have you thrown in the towel on this now that it's been released?

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 07:12 PM (ehlWj)


I have thrown in the towel on it as an issue. It is never going to get a harder look than it already has.

Despite it's short comings, it is going to be accepted as evidence by pretty much everyone.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 02:14 PM (v2K2g)

51 Meh, who cares if the Kenyan cert thing is phony as a $3 bill?  Fake, but accurate.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 29, 2011 02:15 PM (NUhYo)

52 The birth certificate isn't going to open the door to a do-over of the 2008 election.  If you want Obama turfed out of office, you have to find a candidate who can beat him and then back up that candidate with your time and money.

Posted by: stuiec at April 29, 2011 02:16 PM (Di3Im)

53 I'm actually sorry I wasn't here for the birther threads on the day of the announcement, but I had been having a long ongoing argument over at "Hot Air" and I was in the middle of that for 6 hours on Wednesday. As much as I think "Hollowpoint" is completely worthless and rabid, at least he can serve some purpose as an alibi of my whereabouts for that time period. He was one of the assholes I was arguing with.

.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 02:16 PM (v2K2g)

54 So, Pippa or Kate?

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 29, 2011 02:18 PM (sSeAQ)

55 53 The birth certificate isn't going to open the door to a do-over of the 2008 election.  If you want Obama turfed out of office, you have to find a candidate who can beat him and then back up that candidate with your time and money.

Posted by: stuiec at April 29, 2011 07:16 PM (Di3Im)


I think the issue is over and Obama won it. Not because he produced the correct document (I still think it's been modified.) but because he produced one that looks close enough to the correct document that it has sucked all the air out of the issue.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 02:18 PM (v2K2g)

56 Despite it's short comings, it is going to be accepted as evidence by pretty much everyone.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 07:14 PM (v2K2g)

What shortcomings exactly?

Can I take it from the fact you think there are "short comings" you don't personally accept it as evidence he's qualified?

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 02:18 PM (ehlWj)

57 "Odds Kate sat down Pippa and Harry separately and ordered them not to hook up tonight: 5-1. Odds they will anyway: even money," - US Magazine

Posted by: filbert at April 29, 2011 02:18 PM (smvTK)

58 No one would have used the word "African" in 1961. It's simply not possible. Only someone forging a document TODAY would use that word.

Posted by: Passably Affable at April 29, 2011 07:11 PM (2Ukpz)

I think people actually FROM Africa in 1961 were called "African."  Someone forging the document TODAY would make the error of calling a man from Africa "African-American."

Posted by: stuiec at April 29, 2011 02:18 PM (Di3Im)

59 53
This! +1000

Posted by: lurker at April 29, 2011 02:19 PM (ETQWR)

60 Pippa or Kate?

Yes.

Posted by: filbert at April 29, 2011 02:19 PM (smvTK)

61 Can I take it from the fact you think there are "short comings" you don't personally accept it as evidence he's qualified?

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 07:18 PM (ehlWj)

Now you're just needling.

Posted by: stuiec at April 29, 2011 02:20 PM (Di3Im)

62 nope not doing this again. movin on.

Posted by: willow at April 29, 2011 02:21 PM (h+qn8)

63 A little devils advocate:Wouldn't you expect a high quality forgery from the US Government?I mean geez,they can do that,can't they??

Posted by: steevy at April 29, 2011 02:21 PM (L7K+f)

64 Can I take it from the fact you think there are "short comings" you don't personally accept it as evidence he's qualified?

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 07:18 PM (ehlWj)

Barky is clearly not qualified.  The question is of whether he's Constitutionally eligible.  That is a question of multiple nationality and the intersection of the new category of American multi-nationals and the original category of natural born citizens.  The BC could never answer that.  Only the SCOTUS or an amendment can.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 29, 2011 02:23 PM (G/MYk)

65 Posted by: stuiec at April 29, 2011 07:20 PM (Di3Im)

No, DiogenesLamp and I have been going at this for over a year (at least). I simply want a straight up answer on how he feels, not how he thinks most people will.

Based on his #56 it's clear he doesn't accept this so now I know.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 02:24 PM (ehlWj)

66 What shortcomings exactly?

Can I take it from the fact you think there are "short comings" you don't personally accept it as evidence he's qualified?

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 07:18 PM (ehlWj)


The Nordyke Birth Certificate has these words on it.

"A True and Correct copy of the Original birth Record kept in the.. Office in Hawaii. " 

The Photograph of a book page says (and I paraphrase.)

"A Copy of the Record on file, or a Copy of the Abstract of the Record on file. "


One would think that a 50 year old birth certificate from the exact same hospital just hours earlier would resemble another 50 year old birth certificate from the exact same hospital.


The  least it could have done would have been to say "A true and correct copy of the Original."  But NOOOOOOOO!!!! We must put the weasel words on it with a contemporary rubber stamp.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 02:24 PM (v2K2g)

67 Posted by: stuiec at April 29, 2011 07:14 PM (Di3Im)
"We sometimes forget that not so long ago, the world was analog and mechanical, not digital and electronic."

All well and good, but blow it up, and the resolution is not the same. Was not applied at same time as others. Simple test,  blow up and copy and paste into
word pad.  The "1 is only number to show, the others are same, they don't show.
The last "1 " has been modified.

Posted by: Farmer at April 29, 2011 02:25 PM (lbYkB)

68 29 I'm no expert, but open the long form in MS preview and blow it up 600 or better and look at the "1" on the end of the 10641. Not same slant or resolution as other numbers. The flat line on the "1" is parallel to line below. The others are not. Not saying its a fake, but sure looks as if number is.
_________

That's because the scanner software didn't include that 1 in the text layer for some reason, so it was compressed with the same scheme as the rest of the background.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 29, 2011 02:25 PM (6fER6)

69

Barky is clearly not qualified.  The question is of whether he's Constitutionally eligible.  That is a question of multiple nationality and the intersection of the new category of American multi-nationals and the original category of natural born citizens.  The BC could never answer that.  Only the SCOTUS or an amendment can.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 29, 2011 07:23 PM (G/MYk)


The birth certificate issue was only important for two reasons. One, is that he got to hide it for so long, as if the rules didn't apply to him. Two, is that if it had demonstrated something objectionable it would have been EASY for the public to "get it."

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 02:26 PM (v2K2g)

70 Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 29, 2011 07:23 PM (G/MYk)

Gee, if there were only some body in our country who could decide if Obama was sufficiently American in the absence of a new constitutional amendment. You know what we cold call that body? "The  American People". They could vote in something called an election maybe.

Obama is qualified as far as the few things laid out in the Constitution. The rest is up to the voters. 52% fucked up last time, hopefully they do better next time.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 02:27 PM (ehlWj)

71 Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 07:26 PM (v2K2g)

Absolutely.  And getting him to finally cough it up was a big win.  The anti-birthers know that.  That's why they're getting so pissy about nothing.

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 29, 2011 02:27 PM (G/MYk)

72
Based on his #56 it's clear he doesn't accept this so now I know.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 07:24 PM (ehlWj)


I accept that it may have gone through a similar process to my own birth certificate. Had it contained the language of the Nordyke  birth certificate I would have accepted it completely. There are legal penalties for perjury.  Not many people are going to sign a document that may get them in trouble later. The weasely language stamped on it with a rubber stamp gets any official out of trouble if it is every proved otherwise.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 02:29 PM (v2K2g)

73 I must say that all the birther stuff hasn't hurt the anti-Obama cause.I don't think all the stuff swirling around Clinton hurt us either,in fact it probably helped.We know the left faced relatively little backlash for their insane hatred of Bush.

Posted by: steevy at April 29, 2011 02:31 PM (L7K+f)

74 Gee, if there were only some body in our country who could decide if Obama was sufficiently American in the absence of a new constitutional amendment. You know what we cold call that body? "The  American People". They could vote in something called an election maybe.
Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 07:27 PM (ehlWj)

If they knew what they were doing, they wouldn't have elected this guy anyway.


Is there any limit to moronity that would preclude someone from being given the right to vote what to do with the contributors money?


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 02:31 PM (v2K2g)

75 Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 07:24 PM (v2K2g)

Ok, you just keep digging around in your personal pile of shit...there HAS to be a pony in there somewhere!

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 02:33 PM (ehlWj)

76 Christine O'Donnell's Ouija board says Sarah Palin is hiding Obama's real birth certificate in Andrew Sullivan's urethra. ...I dunno, I'm tapped.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 29, 2011 02:33 PM (ZkHkm)

77 Where's the birth certificate for Joe Biden's puppet head?

Posted by: TexasJew at April 29, 2011 02:33 PM (uR5Zf)

78 It seems that the concept "I want it to be true, therefore it is true" is an unalterable fact of human nature. I despair.

Posted by: Count de Money at April 29, 2011 02:34 PM (iDyes)

79 I must say,I am very satisfied with the direction the USA is headed.

Posted by: Satan at April 29, 2011 02:36 PM (L7K+f)

80 Wait, I got it... Obama canceled the Constellation program so man never returns to the moon... because that's where he keeps the birth certificate!!!

Posted by: George Orwell at April 29, 2011 02:37 PM (ZkHkm)

81 For what it's worth, Gateway Pundit has an article asserting experts claim it is a fake. I figure Donald has experts of his own, and I'd like to hear what they have to say. I find it hard to believe that it's a fake. I think it's a perfectly real record entry.

Anyway, link.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 02:37 PM (v2K2g)

82 77 Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 07:24 PM (v2K2g)

Ok, you just keep digging around in your personal pile of shit...there HAS to be a pony in there somewhere!

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 07:33 PM (ehlWj)


Yeah, obviously there is nothing to my observations. Why that looks exactly like the Nordyke birth certificate. Why didn't I notice it right away?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 02:39 PM (v2K2g)

83 Who was that guy with the southern accent who kept warning us that there would be no election in 2000 but martial law and Clinton forever? Larry somebody? About time he resurfaced.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 29, 2011 02:40 PM (ZkHkm)

84 83 For what it's worth, Gateway Pundit has an article asserting experts claim it is a fake. I figure Donald has experts of his own, and I'd like to hear what they have to say.
__________

It looks to me like Gateway Pundit is just quoting the same internet "experts" everyone else is.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 29, 2011 02:43 PM (6fER6)

85 Yeah, obviously there is nothing to my observations.
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 07:39 PM (v2K2g)

Ah, if only you had quit while you were ahead.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 02:43 PM (ehlWj)

86 I'd comment but DrewM assured me there wouldn't be any more birther threads any time soon.

Posted by: Speller at April 29, 2011 02:44 PM (J74Py)

87 Are people really pushing the it's fake thing? I guess I don't read enough fringe right-wing websites. I know wnd is pushing it -- but they got a book coming out.

I'm still confused why Obama delayed, I assumed there was something embarrassed -- like race=white or father=unknown. But it looks like I was wrong.

Fuck it. Now we need to get to the mystery of why Paul Ryan is so hunky and looks like the cool TA in college who grabs a drink after class and bangs your girlfriend but you don't really mind cause he's just that damn cool.

I want Ryan's BC cause there's no way he's 41. Clearly there was fraud. And the more I see Ryan speak, the more convinced I am that he's being photoshop-ed. Nobody is that dreamy. It's not physically possible.  Trust me, I know physics, having extensive studies in the study of physics, and it is not physically possible for a 41 year old man to have such boyish, even impish, charm, while still retaining that gravelly, rugged handsomeness he so serenely possesses.

Again, I know these things. I studied the study of physics from 1995-1997 inclusive, both at university and, after being hassled by the campus police to show "id" (public university, my ass) I continued my studies primarily at Borders bookstore.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at April 29, 2011 02:45 PM (QcFbt)

88 Obam+Worst.President.Ever. Just keep that formula in mind.

Posted by: steevy at April 29, 2011 02:45 PM (L7K+f)

89 Obama = Geez I fucked up my own formula.

Posted by: steevy at April 29, 2011 02:45 PM (L7K+f)

90 Obama =
Geez I fucked up my own formula.

Yeah, well he fucked up his own Presidency, so it's probably even.

Posted by: filbert at April 29, 2011 02:47 PM (smvTK)

91

It looks to me like Gateway Pundit is just quoting the same internet "experts" everyone else is.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 29, 2011 07:43 PM (6fER6)


Yeah, I didn't understand the software so I have no comment on the "layering" issue. You would think that people who claim to have the credentials they do would know this right off the bat.

I personally don't see the point in making an issue out of the layering. I believe it is an accurate reproduction of a Hawaiian record.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 02:48 PM (v2K2g)

92 Pippa's dress was a little too sexy for a church wedding. However, it was Kate's decision on what her sister would wear. In fact, did she have any bridesmaids? I saw her sister and the little girls. That was all. As to Harry, he already has a very hot girlfriend who rather live in Africa than the UK.

Posted by: Any Topic But the Huckster, Please! at April 29, 2011 02:49 PM (dDbkT)

93

If it's some sustaining privately-held fantasy, fine, but then we don't have to keep hearing about this dopiness every ten minutes, either.


My sustaining, privately-held fantasy involves a busload of Swedish super models, a hot tub, a crate of Valu-Rite and several hundred Elvis impersonators..............

Anyone want me to elaborate?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at April 29, 2011 02:50 PM (OWjjx)

94 Trump is the way this hurts us. Trump is a populist who can pander to the birthers and suck money and support from real candidates. And a whole lot of conservatives seem to be falling for it.

Posted by: MetaThought at April 29, 2011 02:50 PM (v2zPh)

95 They CONTROL the governments,man.They can make anything happen man,ANYTHING.You think they can't come up with birth certificate, man?Skull and Bones,man.Skull and fucking BONES!They run the country,man.

Posted by: tin foil hat steevy at April 29, 2011 02:51 PM (L7K+f)

96
Ah, if only you had quit while you were ahead.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 07:43 PM (ehlWj)


What do you want from me? I conceded that the fight was over. What's wrong with me pointing out that it does not look like the Nordyke birth certificate?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 02:51 PM (v2K2g)

97 94 Who the fuck names someone Pippa??

Posted by: steevy at April 29, 2011 02:52 PM (L7K+f)

98 96 Trump is the way this hurts us. Trump is a populist who can pander to the birthers and suck money and support from real candidates. And a whole lot of conservatives seem to be falling for it.

Posted by: MetaThought at April 29, 2011 07:50 PM (v2zPh)


Do we have a real candidate? I would certainly like to know about it if one should actually exist.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 02:52 PM (v2K2g)

99 97 They CONTROL the governments,man.They can make anything happen man,ANYTHING.You think they can't come up with birth certificate, man?Skull and Bones,man.Skull and fucking BONES!They run the country,man.

Posted by: tin foil hat steevy at April 29, 2011 07:51 PM (L7K+f)


Great theory. If they had that much control, they would have made one that looks exactly like the Nordyke (and others) birth certificate. Obviously something is wrong with their level of control.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 02:53 PM (v2K2g)

100

Who the fuck names someone Pippa??

She is one of the blond Swedish models in my sustaining, privately-held fantasy

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at April 29, 2011 02:53 PM (OWjjx)

101

WHAT THE BEJEBUS? NOW THEY'VE GOTTEN TO ACE!!1!!1!1!!!

TOTAL FAILURE OF THE TINFOIL HAT KINETIC DEFENSE SYSTEM!!!1!11.

CALL IN THE CHEMTRAIL DUSTERS AND THE SPRINKLER RAINBOW MAKER THING!!1!!!!!!!111!!!!

Posted by: Everyone NOT Taken in by the Conspiracy at April 29, 2011 02:54 PM (lH6z9)

102 I understand her Christian name is actually Philippa or something like that.

But I mean really, does it matter?

Posted by: filbert at April 29, 2011 02:55 PM (smvTK)

103

Do we have a real candidate? I would certainly like to know about it if one should actually exist.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 07:52 PM (v2K2g)

I don't know if we have a real candidate, but I know for sure that Trump is not one. He's just feeding his ego.

Posted by: MetaThought at April 29, 2011 02:55 PM (v2zPh)

104

Do we have a real candidate? I would certainly like to know about it if one should actually exist.

I am the real candidate. That is why you should hustle down to Club Level X in Burlington, Iowa tonight where I will be discussing my plans for border control and crushing out the hot jams........but mainly crushing out the hot jams.

Posted by: Alan Keyes, a/k/a DJ Perpetual Candidate at April 29, 2011 02:55 PM (OWjjx)

105

Why is Father's Race "African"?  Today it would be "African American", twenty-five years ago it would have been "Black", but in 1961, it should have been "Negro".  African is not a race.  Am I wrong?

Posted by: Dan Blather at April 29, 2011 02:55 PM (mQMnK)

106 "But I mean really, does it matter?" Not, in bed, no.

Posted by: Any Topic But the Huckster, Please! at April 29, 2011 02:56 PM (dDbkT)

107 101 You don't understand,man.They COULD have made it perfect.They throw in a few loops just to screw with us,they are laughing at us,man.It's like Roswell,man,they come up with three or four different stories on what REALLY happened,and they chuckle at the gullible fools who buy it,man.

Posted by: tin foil hat steevy at April 29, 2011 02:56 PM (L7K+f)

108

Do we have a real candidate? I would certainly like to know about it if one should actually exist.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 07:52 PM (v2K2g)

Bachmann/Bolton 2012

Posted by: iknowtheleft at April 29, 2011 02:56 PM (G/MYk)

109

All we know is that SOMEONE was born in Hawaii with the name Barack Hussein Obama II. Exactly how do we know that it's the same one?  Hmmmmmm? Answer me that Mr. Smartypants.

 

Can we start calling him Junior now? Was he named after the family dog?

Posted by: Everyone NOT Taken in by the Conspiracy at April 29, 2011 02:56 PM (lH6z9)

110 I gave tfh steevy some cash to go away.We will probably never hear from him again,thankfully.

Posted by: steevy at April 29, 2011 02:58 PM (L7K+f)

111

I don't know if we have a real candidate, but I know for sure that Trump is not one. He's just feeding his ego.

Posted by: MetaThought at April 29, 2011 07:55 PM (v2zPh)


Trump could be the Ross Perot of 2012. Hopefully as Scot Adams (of Dilbert Fame.) pointed out, he is only doing this to boost his shows ratings.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 02:58 PM (v2K2g)

112 "Who the fuck names someone Pippa??" Parents who were smart enough to start a business that made them a lot of money and sent their three kids to a university where one met the future king of England and married him. IOW, smart people.

Posted by: Any Topic But the Huckster, Please! at April 29, 2011 02:58 PM (dDbkT)

113 Who was that guy with the southern accent who kept warning us that there would be no election in 2000 but martial law and Clinton forever? Larry somebody?

About time he resurfaced.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 29, 2011 07:40 PM (ZkHkm)

I hear he quit installing cable and now pals around with Jeff Foxworthy.

Posted by: stuiec at April 29, 2011 02:58 PM (Di3Im)

114

Why is Father's Race "African"?  Today it would be "African American", twenty-five years ago it would have been "Black", but in 1961, it should have been "Negro".  African is not a race.  Am I wrong?

Posted by: Dan Blather at April 29, 2011 07:55 PM (mQMnK)

You're not thinking like a hospital recording clerk in 1961 Hawaii.  Dad's from Africa - that makes him "African."

Posted by: stuiec at April 29, 2011 03:00 PM (Di3Im)

115

None of it matters. Fake, forgery, legitimate or absolutely real BC. 

Obama is the POTUS and will remain so. The ramifications of removal are so all encompassing it would destroy this country. Total Chaotic Anarchy would be mild compared to the ensuing bedlam. That will not be allowed to happen, period.

Again, realize this is a distraction. Forget it. A sucker trap slight of hand designed to make you look elsewhere.

Stay on the message of the issues and don't fall for this.

If you want to remove POTUS, do it at the ballot box in 18 months.

 

Posted by: MisterMoney at April 29, 2011 03:01 PM (wN82N)

116 Chelsy Davey, Prince Harry's gf and more scarey hats.

Posted by: Bloody Mary at April 29, 2011 03:02 PM (dDbkT)

117 Let me see,  a guy takes 3 years to produce a document that everyone else could produce within 48 hours.  The press makes up about a bazillion excuses for why we haven't seen it,  ranging from " All of the hard copies were shredded" to "This (short form) is the REAL birth certificate" to "No one can get the birth certificate released to the public due to Hawaiian law."

When he finally produces the thing (smirking and acting like he has put something over on everyone) it has some questionable parts on first glance.

Am I to understand that we are not to question whatever Obama says?  That if he provides his grades next week labeled "Barry Soetero Obama,  Super-Genius" I am just supposed to believe him unquestionably?

I think it is poor form to mock those who question this.  I don't know enough about this to tell the difference,  since I am not a photo-graphics expert.  I have one group of people telling me that there is nothing wrong with it (and they should know because they are experts) and another group who says that it is hinky (and I should believe them because THEY are the experts).

So,  looking at the evidence,  I don't know.  I do know that Obama is a sneaky slimeball who likes to do crap in plain sight and put things over on the public (like the middle-finger scratching)  so,  excuse me if I look at this as a bit questionable.

However,  since I can't argue intelligently about this,  and since apparently all of the big shots on blogs and web sites have decided we cannot question Obama about this (or,  apparently,  anything else) I am not going to discuss this here.


Posted by: Miss Marple at April 29, 2011 03:02 PM (Fo83G)

118 Come on. His doctor's cell phone number is listed on the COLB as 453-555-1234. Everyone knows that cell phone numbers back then were listed as (453) 555-1234!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Its a fake!!!! at April 29, 2011 03:03 PM (8p6Ar)

119
Now that I think about it, growing up, no one could pronounce Phillippa, and said Pippa instead, and it stuck as a nicname.

Posted by: Bloody Mary at April 29, 2011 03:04 PM (dDbkT)

120
I'm in the"fake but accurate." crowd to the degree I am OK with born in Hawaii at a time and date. Why a photo-shopped version? It doesn't add up.

Still smelling a big fukkin rat, even after the slap down.

Posted by: sTevo at April 29, 2011 03:04 PM (VMcEw)

121

What do you want from me? I conceded that the fight was over. What's wrong with me pointing out that it does not look like the Nordyke birth certificate?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 07:51 PM (v2K2g)

It looks EXACTLY like the Nordyke birth certificates.  Mrs. Nordyke has photostatic negative copies from 1966.  The same documents scanned on a glass platen digital scanner today would look like Obama's.  The info fields are in the same places -- and even the fact that the signatures of Obama's mom and Mrs. Nordyke are dated on Aug. 7, three days after the birth, tends to indicate these are genuine, because the hospital recording clerk collected the signatures from the birth mothers the same few days after the date of birth and evidently stopped by Mrs. Nordyke's room before stopping by Mrs. Obama's.  If the Obama certificate were faked, the numbers would be more widely separated and the signature of his mother would be more like Aug. 4.

Posted by: stuiec at April 29, 2011 03:06 PM (Di3Im)

Posted by: Speller at April 29, 2011 03:06 PM (J74Py)

123 74
Based on his #56 it's clear he doesn't accept this so now I know.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 07:24 PM (ehlWj)


I accept that it may have gone through a similar process to my own birth certificate. Had it contained the language of the Nordyke  birth certificate I would have accepted it completely. There are legal penalties for perjury.  Not many people are going to sign a document that may get them in trouble later. The weasely language stamped on it with a rubber stamp gets any official out of trouble if it is every proved otherwise.

 

Cough-pardon-cough

Posted by: Max Entropy at April 29, 2011 03:06 PM (lH6z9)

Posted by: Bloody Mary at April 29, 2011 03:07 PM (dDbkT)

125

Again, realize this is a distraction. Forget it. A sucker trap slight of hand designed to make you look elsewhere.Stay on the message of the issues and don't fall for this.If you want to remove POTUS, do it at the ballot box in 18 months.Posted by: MisterMoney at April 29, 2011 08:01 PM (wN82N)


I agree, it outed a bunch of suckers.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 03:08 PM (v2K2g)

126 126 http://tinyurl.com/3dk5zfx
Watch all of it.

_______

Seen it. Wasn't impressed.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 29, 2011 03:08 PM (6fER6)

127 117 Can we start calling him Junior now? Was he named after the family dog?

Posted by: Everyone NOT Taken in by the Conspiracy at April 29, 2011 07:56 PM (lH6z9)

They named the dog Indiana.   I understand that his dog was named Michel  Barry.

Posted by: Max Entropy at April 29, 2011 03:09 PM (lH6z9)

128 I can't believe you morons aren't interested in big breasted girls in bikinis.  Homos!

Posted by: Bloody Mary at April 29, 2011 03:10 PM (dDbkT)

129 The point is, it doesn't matter.

The reason I believe it is fake has nothing to do with the layers, etc.  It has to do with the fact that on numerous occasions, Obama and his team have claimed that this long version did not exist.  Then, suddenly (and quite conveniently), it does.

Nevertheless, while this kind of stuff gets the base excited, there is a risk it will turn off the independents who are far more concerned about the economy than about birth certificates.

Is the Obama BC bullshit?  A steaming pile IMHO.  Does it, matter?  Not really.  It's a burning bag of shit on the doorstep when the whole house is on fire.

Posted by: Bill Mitchell at April 29, 2011 03:10 PM (Er/am)

130 120 Ace did a great post blasting the Zero for his victory lap over this.It was like 1:30 am or so.

Posted by: steevy at April 29, 2011 03:10 PM (L7K+f)

131 134 120 Ace did a great post blasting the Zero for his victory lap over this.It was like 1:30 am or so.

Posted by: steevy at April 29, 2011 08:10 PM (L7K+f)

Well, he ought to be happy. He managed to string some of us along right and proper.

Posted by: MetaThought at April 29, 2011 03:12 PM (v2zPh)

132 Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 07:51 PM (v2K2g)

What Stuiec said.

Thanks for saving me the time

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 03:13 PM (ehlWj)

133 Thank the Good Lord for doubters and jackasses but please God save us from the "do-gooders".

Birthers and Truthers are similar to me.  In fact a handful of nice but quirky people I know are both.  I don't see the harm in people who question the official story and relentlessly hunt down the paper trail.  

You know how when you buy or install something it comes with a piece of legal paperwork that you have never read once in your lives? Well someone somewhere does read it then carefully scans it and pays to get their lawyers involved over some minor or major issue and then harasses the company/government over it relentlessly over it.  You and I just throw it away/click accept/pay the bill but they don't they spend months or years of their lives fighting it.   Sure they are annoying when they arguing about something in a check out line but we as a society of people who ignore small things largely benefit from these people efforts and we need more of them.

I notice such people act as a sort of gravity on organizations and ironically keep them from getting too carried away.  A handful of crazy Davids in a world of Goliaths is a good thing.

Posted by: Shiggz at April 29, 2011 03:13 PM (mLAWK)

134

Seen it. Wasn't impressed.

Posted by: Anachronda

I'm sure it'll impress some people who can still think if they watch all of it.

Posted by: Speller at April 29, 2011 03:13 PM (J74Py)

135

It looks EXACTLY like the Nordyke birth certificates.  Mrs. Nordyke has photostatic negative copies from 1966.  The same documents scanned on a glass platen digital scanner today would look like Obama's.  The info fields are in the same places -- and even the fact that the signatures of Obama's mom and Mrs. Nordyke are dated on Aug. 7, three days after the birth, tends to indicate these are genuine, because the hospital recording clerk collected the signatures from the birth mothers the same few days after the date of birth and evidently stopped by Mrs. Nordyke's room before stopping by Mrs. Obama's.  If the Obama certificate were faked, the numbers would be more widely separated and the signature of his mother would be more like Aug. 4.

Posted by: stuiec at April 29, 2011 08:06 PM (Di3Im)

I'm not sure how you can say it looks EXACTLY like the Nordyke certificate. It looks SIMILAR. The fields are in the same place, and the data is the same. It is pretty good evidence (in my opinion) that he was born in Hawaii. But it does not look like an Original Hawaiian birth certificate from 1961.

Again, the Nordyke certificate says it is a "True and Correct Copy of the Original Birth certificate kept on file... in Hawaii."


His just attests to being a copy of a record (or an abstract) on file. A subtle, but legally significant difference.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 03:15 PM (v2K2g)

136 It has to do with the fact that on numerous occasions, Obama and his team have claimed that this long version did not exist.
Posted by: Bill Mitchell at April 29, 2011 08:10 PM (Er/am)

How about a link to one, just one, of those "numerous occasions".

Shouldn't be that hard to provide, right?

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 03:16 PM (ehlWj)

137 Surely anyone can acknowledge that skeptics and jackasses are far better for our republic then the kool aid drinkers or the even more extreme NY times journalists who have sex dreams about the president.

Remember these days?

http://www.minurl.com/00Qt

Posted by: Shiggz at April 29, 2011 03:18 PM (mLAWK)

138 All well and good, but blow it up, and the resolution is not the same. Was not applied at same time as others. Simple test,  blow up and copy and paste into
word pad.  The "1 is only number to show, the others are same, they don't show.
The last "1 " has been modified.

Posted by: Farmer at April 29, 2011 07:25 PM (lbYkB)

Your "simple test" is like the guy who built a "scale model" of the Twin Towers out of hamster cage wire and squirted lighter fluid on it to "prove" that fire couldn't have caused the WTC to collapse.

If you look at the Nordyke certificates and the Obama certificate, the initial "61" is identical on all, and the next three digits "106" are identically mis-aligned.  The final "41" on Obama's certificate is consistent with what a serialization stamp on a printing press produces, as the number wheels click around with each impression.  It would be weirder to see the terminal "1" be identical to other "1"s in the number -- and what would it accomplish to alter the last digit of the serial number only?

I am not sure why you want to believe so badly, but I can tell you that you're focusing on non-evidence.

Posted by: stuiec at April 29, 2011 03:19 PM (Di3Im)

139 Hey, what was the big longbow vs. crossbow  fight about? I vaguely remember that the topic was banned here for a while which is more prove that you're all a bunch of homos.

Posted by: Bloody Mary at April 29, 2011 03:21 PM (dDbkT)

140 The reason I believe it is fake has nothing to do with the layers, etc.  It has to do with the fact that on numerous occasions, Obama and his team have claimed that this long version did not exist.  Then, suddenly (and quite conveniently), it does.

I think it is a copy of the record on file, which is exactly what Neil Abercrombie mentioned he had seen. It is an actual top of a page in a book with a lot of other records. I would be interested to know the date of the preceding and succeeding records in that same book, because that might clear the whole thing up.


Nevertheless, while this kind of stuff gets the base excited, there is a risk it will turn off the independents who are far more concerned about the economy than about birth certificates. Is the Obama BC bullshit?  A steaming pile IMHO.  Does it, matter?  Not really.  It's a burning bag of shit on the doorstep when the whole house is on fire.Posted by: Bill Mitchell at April 29, 2011 08:10 PM (Er/am)

And I agree at this point. The lawyers outmaneuvered everyone in an issue that they had total control over, and the public will now be satisfied that there is nothing more to this.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 03:21 PM (v2K2g)

141 Again, the Nordyke certificate says it is a "True and Correct Copy of the Original Birth certificate kept on file... in Hawaii."
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 08:15 PM (v2K2g)

So does Obama's (right over the seal and signature).

The reason for the different format is that the Nordyke is the one handed out at the time, the Obama one is what the state currently produces. Obama said he didn't have the one his mother was given. They state simply printed out what they had on file in the new format (things change in 50 years).

You noticed that Obama's only has one signature, right? It's the current Registrar of Records, not the one who was there in 1961 like the Nordyke's (which has two signatures).

This isn't tough stuff unless you are a kook. 

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 03:23 PM (ehlWj)

142

What Stuiec said.
Thanks for saving me the time

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 08:13 PM (ehlWj)


Now you're going to tell me that you see no difference whatsoever, even after i've pointed out what I consider to be the legally salient differences? 


It's alright. You guys won the issue. Nothing to see here folks... move along...

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 03:24 PM (v2K2g)

143 No Ace, OCR doesn't explain the layering result. Nor does the 2nd runner explanation of MCR compression/JPEG2000 (3 layers) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pi85U0HtU68 And additionally, the last number 1 on the file number was added digitally.

Posted by: whiskeytangofoxtrot at April 29, 2011 03:26 PM (Qb5iy)

144

I am not sure why you want to believe so badly, but I can tell you that you're focusing on non-evidence.

Posted by: stuiec at April 29, 2011 08:19 PM (Di3Im)


Yeah, I don't care about  that stuff either. The idea that they would bother trying to pull a stunt like that just seems too far fetched for me. I'm of the opinion that if any stunt is being pulled, it's a legal stunt. I think they are showing us a scan of a record from a book of records.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 03:26 PM (v2K2g)

145 I agree, it outed a bunch of suckers. >>>>> The biggest sucker that it outed is one B.H. Obama. This 'non-story' got so big that 38% of the public had doubts about Zero's country of origin (USA Today). President Super-Genius had to address this issue 2+ years into his term, in front of the entire country. And, he had to wait until Trump finished HIS press conference before he could start his own presser. Sucker. Bambi basically neutered himself on Wednesday, but we're the ones who ought to be ashamed? Nah.

Posted by: Joejm65 at April 29, 2011 03:27 PM (G8b4+)

146 Again, the Nordyke certificate says it is a "True and Correct Copy of the Original Birth certificate kept on file... in Hawaii." His just attests to being a copy of a record (or an abstract) on file.

Wrong.

The wording on Obama's is (pdf), "I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii State Department of Health".

Just be honest, there's nothing that will convince you because like Al Gore with man made global warming, this is an article of faith for you and facts and evidence are irrelevant.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 03:29 PM (ehlWj)

147

The document bears the name current name Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital as place of birth but the place was actually called the Kauikeolani Children's Hospital in 1961.

http://tinyurl.com/3ghnjry

 

Posted by: Speller at April 29, 2011 03:29 PM (J74Py)

148

Again, the Nordyke certificate says it is a "True and Correct Copy of the Original Birth certificate kept on file... in Hawaii."


His just attests to being a copy of a record (or an abstract) on file. A subtle, but legally significant difference.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 08:15 PM (v2K2g)

Having worked in the industry of converting vital records documents to digital images for the purpose of archiving and reproduction, I know a bit about this.

The document itself has NOTHING to do with the certification by the records department of the legal validity of the document.  The document in both Nordyke certificates and Obama's certificate is identical in form and even the serialization matches up in printing position and style.

The certification for the Nordyke certificates was created in 1966 when those photostats were printed, using the statutory language of 1966, when the photostats were most likely produced from microfilmed copies of the documents.  That language says that the person who made the photostats in 1966 certified them as true and correct copies of the documents (relying partly on the fact that someone certified the microfilm as being a true and correct copy, which would be documented by images of a signed sheet at the start and end of the microfilm reel).

The short-form abstract that Obama's campaign produced in 2008 is a computer printout of a few data fields that were transcribed from the original document into the State of Hawaii's computer systems.  The State, most likely for purposes of cost savings, decreed that a printout of that abstract was as good as a image copy of the document itself for proving date and place of birth: hence the new statutory language referring to a true copy OR abstract of the document.  That statutory language simply means that the person who made the printout -- in 2008 of the abstract, in 2011 of the image copy -- certified it to be a true representation of the original information.  In the case of the abstract, he relied in part on the people who certified that the data had been accurately transcribed from the original document or from a true copy of the original document.

So the current records officer has certified that the latest document is a true copy (it's patently not the abstract version) of the oriiginal document.  It would be like saying, "I certify this is a true DVD or Blu-Ray of the movie AVATAR" -- which of the two types was being certified would be obvious from what kind of disc you had in your hand.

Posted by: stuiec at April 29, 2011 03:32 PM (Di3Im)

149 69 32 More holes in the Cert of Live Birth charade at AT. I still smell a rat, a big fucking rat.

Make sure that you check out the links in comments 4 & 5 by WhiteKnight and Country Boy in the same piece as they separate the overlays.

The AT comments have been purged. Interesting.



 

Posted by: sTevo at April 29, 2011 03:32 PM (VMcEw)

150 Again, the Nordyke certificate says it is a "True and Correct Copy of the Original Birth certificate kept on file... in Hawaii."
Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 08:15 PM (v2K2g)

So does Obama's (right over the seal and signature).

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 08:23 PM (ehlWj)


Dude, we are having a SERIOUS communications difficulty.  I thought you said it says the same thing? It certainly does not. I've looked at it very closely. It says

true COPY of a RECORD

Not
 
true and correct copy of an ORIGINAL birth certificate.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 03:33 PM (v2K2g)

151 Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 08:33 PM (v2K2g)

I'd suggest you read Stuiec at 152 but you're simply impervious to anything but your own crackpot theories.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 03:37 PM (ehlWj)

152
His just attests to being a copy of a record (or an abstract) on file.


"I certify this is a true copy or abstract of the record on file in the Hawaii State Department of Health".

Just be honest, there's nothing that will convince you because like Al Gore with man made global warming, this is an article of faith for you and facts and evidence are irrelevant.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 08:29 PM (ehlWj)


Drew, you do know I was paraphrasing? Didn't you diagram sentences in English class years ago? Boil it down and it says Copy of a record.

Not "Copy of an Original Certificate." 


"Record", "Certificate", What's the difference? None that really matters I guess.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 03:38 PM (v2K2g)

153 I'd suggest you read Stuiec at 152 but you're simply impervious to anything but your own crackpot theories.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 08:37 PM (ehlWj)


I love you too buddy.



Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 03:38 PM (v2K2g)

154 Drew M, Here is one article which may have fueled the 'BC is missing' talk. I remember this being tossed around for a while. It's obviously one of about one million different BC stories, but here it goes. I inserted spaces to bypass the dumb URL-too-long screen: http://www.dailymail.co .uk/news/article-1351056/Barack-Obamas- missing-birth-certificate-journalist.html

Posted by: Joejm65 at April 29, 2011 03:39 PM (G8b4+)

155 The issue served it’s purpose, anymore fussing over it just gets you dismissed as a crank by the moderate and independent voters. Who cares what the MSM or Dems think about the issue in any event since the people we are trying to move are not them.

The issue now is about Obama’s pathological need to keep secrets. This is a great issue since the release of the birth certificate proves Obama had absolutely NOTHING to hide and needlessly wasted millions of dollars in legal fees to play head games at best or displays the paranoid behavior of a mentally unbalanced person at worst. Politically, what’s not to love about this?

I checked out the hospital name and it is CORRECT, see this link for the Nordyke twins who were born at the same hospital in the same month as Obama: http://www.biasedmediaboycott.com/index.php?topic=80.0

Case Closed

On to the GRADES!!!!! How long will it be before he caves on the grades? If Trump pressures him enough? In the meantime Obama looks bad for again needlessly prolonging the distraction. At this point I assert Obama is dumb as a box of rocks and was a sloppy scholar! Who can prove me wrong without unsealing the grades? Obama made it an issue by being secretive.

I must say that the Clinton supporter team who came up with the false assertion (classic liberal tactic) of problems with Obama's birth certificate was quite astute in identifying Obama's character weakness. They played him like a finely turned fiddle. Apparently, someone saw or had experience with Obama and his secretiveness. Their plan would have worked were it not for the MSM choosing early on to support Obama over Clinton during the primaries. Had the MSM hounded Obama over the issue during the primary campaign and Obama behaved this way, he would have turned off the Democrat primary voters and Clinton would have been the nominee. Just goes to show how incredibly slick and manipulative the Clinton organization was and still is.

Posted by: dscott at April 29, 2011 03:46 PM (NGe7F)

156 Posted by: Joejm65 at April 29, 2011 08:39 PM (G8b4+)

I remember that to (I may have even posted on it) but....Abercrombie's office denied it right away and the guy pulled it right back.

More importantly, Mitchell said, "Obama and his team have claimed that this long version did not exist." The guy in your link, Mike Evans, is a "celebrity journalist". That's a long, long way form a member of Team Obama.

I appreciate the effort but Mitchell made a very specific claim, I'd just like to see him back it up.


Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 03:47 PM (ehlWj)

157 Sophistry and cognitive dissonance:  The Sizzurp of debate.

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at April 29, 2011 03:47 PM (hSwL0)

158 It's alright. You guys won the issue. Nothing to see here folks... move along...

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 08:24 PM (v2K2g)

Wow; never thought I'd hear you say that.

I'll believe you mean it when you do actually manage to "move along", if that ever happens.

 

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 29, 2011 03:49 PM (WRW1S)

159 What he has done in his life is important.

That Percy Sutton dude said very wealthy Saudi's were trying to get Obama into Harvard.  They way Obama has been ruling, are  U.S. citizens unwittingly helping to pay back Obama's indebtedness and gratefulness to his mysterious benefactors?

Posted by: Deli Llama at April 29, 2011 03:52 PM (MTMqc)

160

So the current records officer has certified that the latest document is a true copy (it's patently not the abstract version) of the oriiginal document.  It would be like saying, "I certify this is a true DVD or Blu-Ray of the movie AVATAR" -- which of the two types was being certified would be obvious from what kind of disc you had in your hand.

Posted by: stuiec at April 29, 2011 08:32 PM (Di3Im)


I appreciate your analysis, and I can understand how you believe it to be correct. But the image *I* see looks like a photograph of a bound book page. Perhaps it is a microfiche copy of a photograph of a book page?

 I'm going to have to quit in a few minutes, so i'll have to probably discuss this with you some other time. I did want to mention one thing.

First of all, i'm adopted, if you didn't know. I was looking at my "certified" copy of my birth certificate, and I wondered whether or not it had a doctor's signature on it, because it was created by a judge 6 years after I was born, I thought it would be strange if it had a Doctor's signature, then I thought it would be strange if it didn't.

So I looked. Yup, it has a Doctor's signature. So I asked my self, "how did they do that?" Did they take him a form to sign six years later, or did they simply take his signature from the original?  Well, His signature is obviously digitized in the copy I have. You can tell it isn't a copy of a pen written signature, but the copy of a digitized image of a pen written signature.

It says right next to it "I hereby certify that this child was born alive on the date stated above."

Cool language. It allows it to be put on anything and remain true and valid.

I wondered how they could assert that this Amended birth certificate was Original.(talking about me.)  If they didn't, the adopted child would realize something was wrong. Again, cool language.

"I  hereby certify the foregoing to be a true and correct copy, original of which is on file in this office. In testimony whereof, I have hereunto subscribed my name and caused the official seal to be affixed...

They are implying that it is a copy of an original. But it doesn't SAY it is a copy of an original.

Clever language to keep children from realizing they are adopted by looking at their birth certificate, but still nothing in it is legally untrue.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 03:54 PM (v2K2g)

161

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 08:54 PM (v2K2g)

And... the mask drops.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 29, 2011 03:56 PM (WRW1S)

162 I remember that to (I may have even posted on it) but....Abercrombie's office denied it right away and the guy pulled it right back.>>>> That's fine. All I tried to get across was that this was one of a million different stories posted about the BC. For a brief time, this was the story. And when I say there were a million different stories, I'm not totally exaggerating. It's possible that someone close to the POTUS said it was missing. It would take an army to sort through it all. At this point in time, there's only one story. The POTUS released his BC (and looked really bad doing it). And, again, there are more significant records that should have been focused on, but weren't. Strategery!

Posted by: Joejm65 at April 29, 2011 04:00 PM (wXozV)

163

Wow; never thought I'd hear you say that.

I'll believe you mean it when you do actually manage to "move along", if that ever happens.

 

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 29, 2011 08:49 PM (WRW1S)


It's pretty good evidence he was born in Hawaii. I can't figure a legal angle for anyone to back out of it without being subject to prosecution. I still feel as if there is a trick being played, and I intend to keep discussing it. This piece of evidence appears to destroy my favorite theory, but it doesn't mean he's not still hiding something.


Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 04:01 PM (v2K2g)

164 Gotta go folks. Later.

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 29, 2011 04:01 PM (v2K2g)

165 Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 29, 2011 08:56 PM (WRW1S)

Dude, he's got a theory and he's stickin' with it. Sure it's bat shit crazy but that's a feature, not a bug. Or something. Either way, he's sticking with it.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 04:02 PM (ehlWj)

166  @ 169 -- Now I have a theory.  What if DiogenesLamp is really Obama himself, trying to work through some of his adoption issues with the Best Commenters on the Internet®?

That would make explain the whole damned thing, wouldn't it?

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at April 29, 2011 04:18 PM (hSwL0)

167 Until King Chunk Johnson verifies that the "Birf Certificate" is free of Israeli and White Supremacist Nazi anti Islamist meddling, we should hold off on the Kool-aid "Hope and Change" stamp of approval.

Posted by: Diondrum at April 29, 2011 04:23 PM (Eqa5p)

168

I won’t call it a fake, because I believe at it’s core the document presented by the White House is true. But on the way to releasing it, the White House or the Hawaiian authorities appear to have done a bit of “tweeking” to the document.

First, most of these older documents are held on microfilm in a “negative” format. It appears that somebody decided this would confuse somebody so they re-negated the image to make it a positive again.

Secondly, then somebody added that ridiculous green cross-hatch pattern as a background to make this electronic version of the document look like it had been printed on security paper.  On a pdf viewer this probably load like a separate layer because it is a separate layer.

I personally believe the “black” contents of the document is a copy of the information on Obama’s original COLB, but I’m not surprised that some folks are having trouble given the poor graphic arts post-production. Frankly, it looks cheap, but probably good enough for government work.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at April 29, 2011 04:36 PM (tvs2p)

169 I'm believing it's a fake until Obama's LFBC over on Twitter tells me that it's him.

Posted by: Timwi at April 29, 2011 04:37 PM (Sxt4Z)

170

Sure it's bat shit crazy but that's a feature, not a bug.

The grassy knolls!

Posted by: Dude who writes JFK Conspiracy Books and has never had to work a day in his life at April 29, 2011 04:50 PM (OWjjx)

171

Dude, he's got a theory and he's stickin' with it. Sure it's bat shit crazy but that's a feature, not a bug. Or something. Either way, he's sticking with it.

Yeah, I shoulda warned you about wasting time on that one.  A more dedicated True Believer you would be hard pressed to find.

In the massive HA crazyfest thread he said that wanted to hear from Donald Trump's experts to verify the authenticity of the BC before having an opinion about how real it was. 

No, I'm not joking.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 29, 2011 04:51 PM (WRW1S)

172

#159 dscott

You are on the right track, but take it further. When the demand for the grades, transcripts, thesis, and whatever else is made, there will be resistance again, refusal, secrecy and defensiveness. Jarrett has already said "No Way!" to the release of transcripts.

And here is why. After all the fuss over the BC, it turned out in Obamas favor. It proves his honesty and legitimacy. Now the chase is after the reocrds and the first defense will be, look at what a fuss you made over the BC, now you are doing the same thing over transcripts. Rascism! You just hate the POTUS and blah blah blah blah. And a few Yada Yadas too.

And we can then have several more months or more of distraction from the issues!  The trap awaits those who fail to see this. Take  up this records/transcripts issue and get burned again.

And if the BC is fake, then don;t you think the transcripts and records will also be fabricated? They will not be harmful to him, no matter what. My thesis of so many years ago, (and not just a few or my grades) would reflect a different man than I am today. But this would not cause me one moment of grief today.

Focus on the issues! The Potus is vulnerable on the issues.

Republicans will have many advantages in the next cycle, redistricting just one of many, the economy is unlikely to recover, with continued high unemployment, issues like rising prices, deficits, debt ceilings, wars, foreign policy/affairs, government spending, waste, corruption, and weak leadership.

"It's the economy, stupid!"

Posted by: MisterMoney at April 29, 2011 04:59 PM (wN82N)

173

#172 Rage Boy

You are correct, and if it was printed off microfilm using a microfilm printer onto a preformated green paper, it would appear this way. 

If the image of the BC was taken from a book without being first removed rom the book, microfilming would produce the rounding on the left in the image. If the image was in negative for retention and the original destroyed ( a standard practice in the record retention industry) then the BC could have printed from a microfilm roll or fiche card.

Also the microfilm image could have been digitized, again a standard practice for older records, then what you see printed out, again on a green paper, then the result would be what you see.

Posted by: MisterMoney at April 29, 2011 05:08 PM (wN82N)

174 One question: If some OCR scanner or software was involved, why isn't there any selectable text in the document?

Posted by: Michael Bates at April 29, 2011 05:10 PM (MqwI/)

175 Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 29, 2011 09:51 PM (WRW1S)

Oh, I've dealt with him before.

He's pretty much argued that no document certified by a government agency can ever be trusted because he was adopted and his birth certificate was (or wasn't, I can't keep up) changed.

Teh Crazie runs strong there. 

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 05:15 PM (dw7rB)

176 Nevermind the host, to demonstrate life experience, does a single cob-logger here actually have a child have a child?

My theory was that it took a few days for Obama Sr to fess up to ownership of Jr, or for Stanley to let Sr take that responsibility (either case, HT Baldilocks), and settle the baby's name; but, strickly speaking, when you are given literally months to "administratively" correct the BC, filling the baby's and father's name a week or so after the delivery, does not mean that the BC has been altered, just that it has been completed.

In Other Words, this BC may well represent the 'legal facts' as they were months after BO was born.



BTW, DrewM never heard of any government ever attempting to alter history, only correct it.

Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 05:31 PM (RnujI)

177 Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 10:31 PM (RnujI)

You realize you have absolutely no evidence for your  theory, right?

You're just making shit up from 50 years distance but it's supposed to be taken seriously?

Why?

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 05:34 PM (dw7rB)

178 Moron, any kids?

Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 05:36 PM (RnujI)

179 And I asked first.

Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 05:37 PM (RnujI)

180 In Other Words, this BC may well represent the 'legal facts' as they were months after BO was born.

CORRECTION

This BC represent the 'legal facts' as they were months after BO was born, just like every other kid born in this country.

Again, just like every other kid born in this country...

Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 05:39 PM (RnujI)

181 I think splitting the party, as Ace mentions, is a WONDERFUL idea. The new Birther-Moose fork of the Republican party can consist of all the people that the normal human beings who belong to the Republican party are ashamed to be associated with. All of the ignorant, superstitious, conspiracy theory believing, young earth creationist, Alex Jones worshiping, John Birch society, borderline schizophrenic nincompoops can go give each other dutch rudders. Leave the Republican party for conservatives and libertarians who live in the real world and whose ideas are grounded by reality rather than a violation of it.

Posted by: Lee Reynolds at April 29, 2011 05:40 PM (/gY4D)

182 186 I think splitting the party, as Ace mentions, is a WONDERFUL idea.

The new Birther-Moose fork of the Republican party can consist of all the people that the normal human beings who belong to the Republican party are ashamed to be associated with.

All of the ignorant, superstitious, conspiracy theory believing, young earth creationist, Alex Jones worshiping, John Birch society, borderline schizophrenic nincompoops can go give each other dutch rudders.

Leave the Republican party for conservatives and libertarians who live in the real world and whose ideas are grounded by reality rather than a violation of it.

Posted by: Lee Reynolds

Nah, All the morons who can count to twenty without a friend's fingers on one side and the sheeple on the other.

Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 05:42 PM (RnujI)

183 You're just making shit up from 50 years distance but it's supposed to be taken seriously?

Why?

Uhh, Alex, for $800, Because I am a racist?

Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 05:44 PM (RnujI)

184 This BC represent the 'legal facts' as they were months after BO was born, just like every other kid born in this country.
Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 10:39 PM (RnujI)

Imagine for a moment your alternate version is right, so what? As you say, it's the same for everyone. So what's the point?

More importantly...you're just throwing shit out. You have to at some point offer some reasonable basis for your alternative version. Otherwise you just seem like a crank making stuff up (unimportant stuff by your own words) out of thin air.

What's the goal there?

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 05:46 PM (dw7rB)

185 What's the goal there?

No kids, eh?


Attorney never got so much as a speeding ticket explaining to me that it's not that trooper's radar gun never been calibrated, nor defective equipment, and here's an e-mail attachment of a  digital compressed imaged of a scan of a photocopy of print of a microfiched picture of you speeding - PROOF!

What? It's just as real as the Mona Lisa, you can even feel the depth and texture of the pen and brush.

Ain't no goal but, Kids?

Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 05:57 PM (RnujI)

186 Of course it looks genuine... If the POTUS --leader of the free world, most powerful man in the universe-- can't even forge his own birth certificate in three years, what good is he?

Posted by: SuperMag at April 29, 2011 05:57 PM (nRISj)

187 Did you know that Obama was really born in Gondwanaland?

Posted by: Lee Reynolds at April 29, 2011 05:59 PM (/gY4D)

188 Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 10:57 PM (RnujI)

Ok, so you're just making shit up because it makes you feel good or something.

Have fun diving into your personal rabbit hole.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 06:00 PM (dw7rB)

189
Ok, so you're just making shit up because it makes you feel good or something.

Have fun diving into your personal rabbit hole.



What are you, 12? See it on TV, wait the internet, so it must be true?


Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 06:02 PM (RnujI)

190 Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 11:02 PM (RnujI)

Ok genius. Show me a single shred of evidence for your theory.

Just one.


Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 06:10 PM (dw7rB)

191 Ok genius. Show me a single shred of evidence for your theory.

Just one.

Look, ya twelve year old retred,

Ya "seem" to have asked me about asked me about the mother being able to administratively correct/amend BCs for on order of weeks/months after the birth, and a judge indefinitely thereafter.

As I said above,

My theory was that it took a few days for Obama Sr to fess up to ownership of Jr, or for Stanley to let Sr take that responsibility (either case, HT Baldilocks), and settle the baby's name; but, strickly speaking, when you are given literally months to "administratively" correct the BC, filling the baby's and father's name a week or so after the delivery, does not mean that the BC has been altered, just that it has been completed.

Strip out the superfluous crap:

My theory was ... when you are given literally months to "administratively" correct the BC, filling the baby's and father's name a week or so after the delivery, does not mean that the BC has been altered, just that it has been completed.

YOU DO have kids, don't you?

I have asked repeatably whether you even have common trivial (what libs refer to as "life experience") - You do KNOW that you do have weeks/months to administratively correct the BC, do you not know this? Of course you do not know this - not even a fucking clue.

That is my "theory", that Ace & cob-loggers actually do not know that a bona fide real actual hardcopy wet ink signature BC can be 'corrected; months after the signature date.

The obvious clue is that if YOU have not had any kids (or even if you have had kids but have an utter lack of attention to minor details, such as you timeframe to complete routine paperwork) you may have NO personal experience in this matter, whether it was two-score and a decade or so ago or last month.

Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 06:26 PM (RnujI)

192 Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 11:26 PM (RnujI)

So you have no evidence or good faith reason to think this. You're just making up shit and throwing it out there.

Ok. It's the internet.

Still, I'm not a fan of this when idiot lefties do it. Not sure why it's any better when "conservatives" do it.


Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 06:38 PM (dw7rB)

193

I don't even care where Obama was born.  That issue is dead.

For me, the issue now is all about this clearly fake LFBC. 8^D

Posted by: Speller at April 29, 2011 06:51 PM (J74Py)

194 199 Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 11:26 PM (RnujI)

So you have no evidence or good faith reason to think this. You're just making up shit and throwing it out there.

Ok. It's the internet.

Still, I'm not a fan of this when idiot lefties do it. Not sure why it's any better when "conservatives" do it.

I have good faith reason to KNOW from personal experience in a number of foreign and domestic jurisdictions and in having a number of kids (number > one) that BCs are not legally complete for weeks/months after birth. This is routine paperwork.

There is no reason to question whether my son's BC was administratively "corrected" to correct the given middle name, nor that on my daughters that a spelling correction was needed on a parent's name. ROUTINE.

Inspection of the actual hard copy BCs would reveal that administrative changes were made. Knowledge of any jurisdiction's rules would show that such changes are legally allowed - but that does not change that the plain language definition of 'original'.

Can you at least acknowledge that a typical BC may not be legally completed for weeks/months after birth?



Off on a tangent - I am just getting down into the weeds here (above) - personally I do not believe that by his own words that the One is a 'natural born citizen' and his hardcopy BC will not change that. But THAT is my right, duty, and obligation.

Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 06:59 PM (RnujI)

195 A-f*cking-men...I'm sick of this g-damn stupid, distracting, utterly retarded and gift-giving-to-the-left shite. Making us look like Truthers and shit. Please banish it all to some circle of Dante's Hell

Posted by: specialkayel at April 29, 2011 08:19 PM (xAq1k)

196 Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 11:26 PM (RnujI)

So you have no evidence or good faith reason to think this. You're just making up shit and throwing it out there.


Been two hours, an eternity on the net.

You say you are, and I so are you, what am I?



Making up shiite?

Again - it is standard procedure to make revisions to BCs months after birth... Speculation was not that BO wasn't born in Hawaii, but that he has Daddy issues because, just maybe, Dady or Momma did not agree to the verbiage to be on the BC. Forty years after the limit to administratively correct the BC, BO finally releases a version of it.

Throwing it out there?

Matter of fact, you never got a speeding ticket to contest nor have you ever had a birth to record, nor do you know the simple routine procedures and timelines most citizens of any country worldwide have to record in the official "legal record".

Uhh, ignorant, I am guessing, is the word.

You are, next to the One, authoritative, please, Master, correct!







AoS going LGF

Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 08:29 PM (RnujI)

197 More proof that Obama was born in Hawaii ... from a FOIA on Obama Sr. that was released on Wednesday ...

http://tinyurl.com/3epzfs3

Page 34 - "They have one child born Honolulu 08/04/1961."

Granted the rest of the document makes Obama Sr. look like a polygamist, illegal alien, foreign national, and complete *free shit army* leechfuck douchebag ...


Posted by: The Total Lack of Obama's Transparency at April 29, 2011 08:36 PM (TLqEw)

198 Ace,

I appreciate you doing your part to put this stupid issue to bed.

Posted by: Dustin at April 29, 2011 08:44 PM (Q3nWV)

199 Ooh, Look here, a webpage which proves not only that Obama is everything you wished for wether you like him or not, but that he is entitled to win the next presidential election ...

http://tinyurl.com/5srjb

Welcome to the next LGF.

Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 08:54 PM (RnujI)

200 By the By, Ace only believes the latest OBL BC is real because he saw it on the intertubes - prove it wrong!

Posted by: Druid at April 29, 2011 08:56 PM (RnujI)

201

I understand that for some commenters their experience posting at Little Green Footballs was the defining moment of their existence, and that their banishment from there has, for them, all the overtones of the First Fall From Grace, complete with Sharmuta and Kilgore standing outside the gates of Eden wielding flaming banhammers to prevent re-entry.  I further get it that Charles Johnson has become the White Whale to the Ahab of these commenters, and they can't let a thread go by without a reference to their obsession.

But why can't those commenters understand the rest of us who (1) couldn't be bothered either before or now to give a rat's whatever about LGF or its proprietor, (2) would really, really one thread where no one invokes anything about Little Green Footballs, Charles Johnson, or any references to the same, and (3) don't appreciate lame, inane references that attempt to compare this site to LGF or Ace to Johnson that have no basis in reality and are offensive as much for their boneheadedness as their inaccuracy?

You posted on Johnson's site - you either got banned or abandoned the site - we get it.  There's no need to keep providing status updates.

Posted by: A. Pendragon at April 29, 2011 10:02 PM (XDdB5)

202

The bottom line is that it's "100% proof" of Obama being an asswipe, and this is yet another classic Obama moment.

First, he goes to a lot of trouble to not release this. Then he complains about how he "doesn't have time for this silliness." Then he heads off to do Oprah, and two fundraisers.

I stick by my thesis that this guy's presidency would make an amazing sit-com. You just can't make this stuff up.

It wasn't as good as unilaterally ordering the bombing of Libya, and then telling congressional leaders as you head off on vacation in Brazil, but it's still quality stuff. As I recall, in that case he didn't have time for the "silliness" of addressing the nation for quite a while then, either.

As to the conspiracy theories, you gotta go with Occam's Razor. For me, the hypothesis that "he didn't release it sooner because he's a narcissistic game-playing asshole" is simple enough, and has tons of evidence to back it up. The other theories require him coming up with some clever long-term strategic plan, while we all know that such a thing is beyond him, and would dig into his self-promotion time.

Posted by: Optimizer at April 29, 2011 10:41 PM (F56VB)

203 I've been saying the exact same thing for days now. But what the hell do I know? All I've been doing is programming computers since the Carter administration. Obviously these people have access to a 'higher truth'.

Posted by: David Gillies at April 30, 2011 12:32 AM (5iR+D)

204 im just glad this whole BC thing is finally out of the way.

obama smiling as if he achieved something....its a BC obama...really...DO some work already....idiot.

and the bloggers acting as if theyre some higher seekers of knowledge. the entire thing brought out the stoopid.

all over a BC....lol people are downright DUMB.

Posted by: skr8 outta at April 30, 2011 01:54 AM (zcTu+)

205

(3) don't appreciate lame, inane references that attempt to compare this site to LGF or Ace to Johnson that have no basis in reality and are offensive as much for their boneheadedness as their inaccuracy?

But...we won't know for sure that they are not the same people until we see both Johnson's and Ace birth certificates!

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at April 30, 2011 03:18 AM (OWjjx)

206 He's pretty much argued that no document certified by a government agency can ever be trusted because he was adopted and his birth certificate was (or wasn't, I can't keep up) changed.
Teh Crazie runs strong there.
Posted by: DrewM. at April 29, 2011 10:15 PM (dw7rB)


Now THIS is a "true believer." It doesn't matter WHAT I say, he's going to turn it into some sort of "Conspiracy Theory" where NO AMOUNT of evidence is EVER going to convince me.

I said if they had produced a document like the Nordyke certificate, I would be convinced there was nothing more there. As it is, i'm pretty well convinced the Document DID come from Hawaiian Authorities, and it DOES seem to prove that he was actually BORN in HAWAII.

Aren't those the salient points?

What does it matter to you if I still think some sort of hankypanky is occurring because they did not certify it as a copy of the "Original"? 

And why is it "Crazy" to think that the lyingest Man in politics might be lying again?

Posted by: DiogenesLamp at April 30, 2011 04:47 AM (v2K2g)

207 Here's a guy that spent millions of dollars to hide his BC.
He finally releases a kinda weird looking digital document and everyone seems to think that's just fine.

Why did he try to hide it?
Why was the Gov. unable to locate it - all that was required was a release.

Why was the release necessary? Gosh, they made that law to help Obama continue to hide his BC.

It's just weird. Still weird.

Posted by: Oh, Hi Mark at April 30, 2011 04:52 AM (dA+rV)

208 Hey, who are you gonna believe, a buncha tech nerds or that acclaimed and respected signatory, "U K Lay Lee?"

Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 30, 2011 05:19 AM (qvify)

209 Gonna be funnier than hell when the One finally releases his college transcripts the gracious hosts, cob-loggers, and A. Pendragon will tell us they always knew he had a 3.5+.

Here's a clue - One did not become the arrogant condescending ass that he his by getting smacked down with Bs and Cs his whole life.

His attitude is consistent with every single asswipe fine lady and gentleman I have ever ran across who made As in high school and never went to college or made As in college lib arts (i.e: every fucking major but hard science / engineering).

But ya know what? One of these fine ladies or men would tell me, nice anecdote or correlation does not equal causation...


Posted by: Druid at April 30, 2011 05:25 AM (RnujI)

210 Might want to add a spoiler alert to the top for some of the comments.  I like to go in fresh!

Posted by: Frank Costanza at April 30, 2011 09:56 AM (Kkt/i)

211

I didn't include a single word about Obama in my comment - the point I was trying to make involved ludicrous and obsessive comparisons to LGF and Charles Johnson.  That isn't even remotely an accurate description of this blog and how it operates, and any fair-minded person knows that.

That you see fit to ascribe motives and attitudes to me based quite literally on nothing that I've written or even hinted at ought to give you some pause, and perhaps even lead you to question some of your other assumptions. 

Posted by: A. Pendragon at April 30, 2011 09:59 AM (XDdB5)

212

177, After all the fuss over the BC, it turned out in Obamas favor.

Actually, I'm going to disagree on that since in my experience with libs is that when they behave this way spinning the obvious failing into some kind of absurd positive as Obama attempted, it shows that they themselves see the threat of that line of attack.  Libs fear anything that strips away the facade as that is all they have.  Obama has feet of clay, keep tapping away at the ankles and the whole edifice falls under it's own weight.  This is especially true when a fell Dem (Clinton) identified his most vulnerable spot for us.

Additionally, it is not a mutually exclusive line of attack, there is no reason why we can not attack him on many levels, even what some consider the low road as in hammering away at Obama's character defect of obsessive secrecy.  Hitting him on the wild spending and his absurd claims that children will die and the elderly will starve (spinning) are just two other lines of attack.

Posted by: dscott at April 30, 2011 11:21 AM (NGe7F)

213
I better check all those web-pages I posted to yesterday about how too many people obsess on LGF...

Don't any you dare draw conclusions why I think everybody obsesses over LGF!

Posted by: A. Pendragon at April 30, 2011 12:28 PM (RnujI)

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There was only one webpage, and one comment Rnujl/Druid, and only one response to your own attempt to rope me in with the people you appear to disagree with - I've never commented on this subject before and won't likely do so again, but you go on drawing unwarranted conclusions.

And be sure to do so while condemning me for checking to see if there were any new comments on this thread, which you discovered by doing so yourself.

 

Posted by: A. Pendragon at April 30, 2011 01:49 PM (XDdB5)

215 That's something to know about.

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