November 28, 2009

The "Chicago Machine Politics" of International Science
— Dave in Texas

Steyn on the nonsense of the "peer-review" claim.

The most amusing part of Ed Begley Jr's spat with Stuart Varney was his grey brow-forward, in your face insistence that "peer-review" is what makes it Science!™ and not mucky opinion-nonsense from all the deniers.

He yelled this at Varney while the world was reading the email exchanges from the "scientists" who for years have been doing their best to hide their work and selecting their peer reviewers. And selecting their willing media acolytes (NYT link, polar bear on slushy ice photo, no charge).

It ain't rocket science for me to take a cheap shot at an idiot celeb whose awareness of current events makes him sound like an idiot. And it ain't rocket science (but it is a cheap blog post) for me to mock it.

I'm just giving you an 81mm round to hand back to your second cousins this weekend when they claim "scientists" are checking all the facts ma'am. The "scientists" are in the bag. Feel free to express that point. It bears repeating to the claim of "the science is settled".

The "science" had owner obligations, and unethically cooked the books to maximize investor returns.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at 05:27 AM | Comments (188)
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1 Are these the "Peers" that will serve on my jury?

Posted by: KSM at November 28, 2009 05:30 AM (QECjC)

2 This needs to be shouted from the rooftops for as long as necessary.

Posted by: clonefan at November 28, 2009 05:30 AM (z82qJ)

3 "Settled science" is an oxymoron

Posted by: Duncan Donetz at November 28, 2009 05:35 AM (XeAEF)

4 I plan on making my hand-back a 155mm round, airburst, white phosphorous.

The most annoying part is that we'll still be having to deal with the delusional die-hards for years now, still claiming that their fantasies were reality all along. But the turning point has been reached...I f-ing hope.

Posted by: Chainsaw Chimp at November 28, 2009 05:35 AM (j6H6o)

5 Sun : 1,000,000,000 "Scientists" : 0

Posted by: eman at November 28, 2009 05:39 AM (eSNGZ)

6 "Science" at many of the "prestigious" institutions in this country are so mired in politics, that if you knew half of the real truth, you'd never trust "science" again.

Posted by: nevergiveup at November 28, 2009 05:39 AM (0GFWk)

7
Remember when Mark Daniels used to berate Erlich for being a dunce?


Posted by: a.k.a. at November 28, 2009 05:39 AM (z37MR)

8 Maybe they will go after plasticizers next. They can link them through the polymer industry to the petroleum industry to the food industry, and so on. The Global Man Boob Crisis will destroys us all.

Posted by: eman at November 28, 2009 05:42 AM (eSNGZ)

9 Oh boy, another AGW fraud column.

I have always liked the "peer review" meme from the scammers. The first hint of the fraud on this came years ago back when my blogging was at Townhall.  (I was a lurker here as well but no posts).

In any case someone linked to a site where one of those so-called peers wrote on the topic. He said that he had turned in many comments on the errors in the "hockey stick" graph. Most notably, the lack of coverage for the medieval warm period which made the graph appear to increase dramatically even before the "models" kicked in.

He said that they refused to incorporate his comment and also refused to remove his name from the list of "peer reviewers" when they would not accept his comment.

At that point it became obvious to me that the entire thing was intentional fraud instead of stupid errors.

What I would like to see is the EPA chief being grilled in a Senate hearing. Make her/him defend this data and produce the data they are basing their proposed regulations on.

A good followup would be to ask the head of the FDA about the emails and to suppose that these emails had been uncovered by a whistle blower at several major pharmaceutical firms. 

How would the FDA react?

 A; Some CEOs would be in jail.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2009 05:43 AM (CDUiN)

10 The Science is Meddled!

Posted by: stolen from another moron at November 28, 2009 05:43 AM (PD1tk)

11

It's settled science that I have a big dick.  The women I've banged all said so, though I don't recall if that was before or after I got them drunk and/or paid them.

Sure, I've not nailed any porn stars, but those big dick deniers aren't to be trusted as credible enough to peer-review the science of dick size.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 28, 2009 05:44 AM (rf03a)

12
The "science" had owner obligations, and unethically cooked the books to maximize investor returns.

I think what Dave is saying in Texasese is that the scientists had fiduciary responsibilities. Instead, the 'science' has been corrupted by malfeasance.




Posted by: a.k.a. at November 28, 2009 05:44 AM (z37MR)

13

Oh dear creationist idol, please help me,  I can't put the chicken down,....I think I just kilt it.

Posted by: Charles Johnson at November 28, 2009 05:45 AM (+FzLa)

14 When it doubt, FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Posted by: GarandFan at November 28, 2009 05:45 AM (ZQBnQ)

15

30 years ago it was "settled science" that stress caused stomach ulcers. A few "deniers" said it was bacteria. The "peer - reviewed" literature all agreed it was stress.

Turns out the "settled science" was totally wrong. Huh.

Posted by: fugazi at November 28, 2009 05:48 AM (4bvZp)

16
Remember when Mark Daniels used to berate Erlich for being a dunce?


Posted by: a.k.a. at November 28, 2009 10:39 AM (z37MR)



Heh, Dr. Mark Daniels was one of the best characters ever. "Ehrilich..... you f'cking  retahd, get yaw head out of yaw rectahm !"

Posted by: Blazer at November 28, 2009 05:50 AM (+FzLa)

17 Try to imagine if Bushitler and the eeevil Right had pushed some lie as an excuse for government takeover of...everything.

It's like one of those Glenn Reynolds "They told me..." posts.

Posted by: FUBAR at November 28, 2009 05:51 AM (8l0RO)

18

It ain't rocket science for me to take a cheap shot at an idiot celeb whose awareness of current events makes him sound like an idiot. And it ain't rocket science (but it is a cheap blog post) for me to mock it.

Well, Dave, if you want to call your cheap shots and your mockery "rocket science," I'll back you up. You write on a blog and I majored in journalism so you may consider this comment a peer review.

(It's settled, then?)

Posted by: FireHorse at November 28, 2009 05:51 AM (Vl5GH)

19
I dunno, maybe we're being to harsh on the scientists/experts. After all. they've been right about Avian Flu, SARS, Swine Flue, Terrorism, Iraq, economics, education, diplomacy, Hitler, Stalin, Viet Nam, Korea, Iran, ...

um, nothing, really.

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 28, 2009 05:53 AM (z37MR)

20 I don't think Hollywood actors know what "peer review" is all about.

The next time some libtard tells you that the AGW science has had "peer review" ask the 'tard if that is so why they will not publish their data, methods, and calculations for all to see.

You may even get a response.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2009 05:56 AM (CDUiN)

21 Umm...will the jury be made up of my peers?

Posted by: Micahel Mann, State Pen University at November 28, 2009 05:56 AM (AnTyA)

22
"Ehrilich..... you f'cking  retahd, get yaw head out of yaw rectahm !"

Posted by: Blazer at November 28, 2009 10:50 AM (+FzLa)




And tell that Johnson to put the chicken down. This is a hospital for godsakes not a Korean restaurant !

Posted by: Dr. Mark Craig at November 28, 2009 05:56 AM (+FzLa)

23
Heh, Dr. Mark Daniels was one of the best characters ever.

First, my name was Dr Mark Craig on the show. My real name is William Daniels.

Second, my best work was with David Hasselhoff.

*yeah, I f'd up his name
by calling him Mark Daniels



Posted by: K.I.T.T. at November 28, 2009 05:57 AM (z37MR)

24

Somebody help me up off this couch.

Posted by: Newt Gingrich at November 28, 2009 06:00 AM (+FzLa)

25

social science is a whore: first $20 on the nightstand gets to pick the outcome and peer review venue...

Posted by: locutus at November 28, 2009 06:00 AM (y+QDY)

26
good ol' morons...

Mr Owl, how many comments does it take for morons to either bring out the sock puppets and derail a thread or devolve it into a boob thread?

Hmm, let me see...One...two...three...wait...just one.


Posted by: Tootsie Roll Owl at November 28, 2009 06:01 AM (z37MR)

27

The Bay City Rollers

Pet Rocks.

Y2K.

Global Warming.

 

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 28, 2009 06:02 AM (ZGhSv)

28 Zero still intends to prostrate us before the climate gods(and China!)in Copenhagen.I want to be optimistic but I can't find it in me.

Posted by: steevy at November 28, 2009 06:03 AM (1fQsC)

29 Wait a minute: I thought the Coming New Ice was Settled Science, settled way back in the '70s... Remember? It was PROVEN the Earth was cooling, ground temperatures were freezing, less sunlight was hitting the surface of the Earth, governments needed to set aside hundreds of billions of dollars to get ready for the great coming famines. Did I miss something?

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 28, 2009 06:03 AM (QECjC)

30

At that point it became obvious to me that the entire thing was intentional fraud instead of stupid errors.

Eventually, when cooling is obvious and many of these idiots fired, we're still going to be wrong for attacking the scientific method. You see, it was just a few bad apples who corrupted the peer review process. Conservatives were eeeevil for doubting the process, liberals were all right and science-y.

It'll take a while before they give up defending these idiots, but it will happen eventually.

Posted by: Mama AJ at November 28, 2009 06:03 AM (Be4xl)

31
Obama has done a "save face at all cost" decision. This house of cards is coming down with the speed of an avalanche once it starts to gain speed and mass. A lot of people were deceived on this, particularly progressive liberal political people. The progressive liberals wanted this to be real so that they could claim "they" saved the world from mankind.
But it all came crashing down, and now how do you hold the tidal wave of questions on why these people who created this mess of over regulation got to the position they received. Somebody has to go down on this but who? There were tremendous regulation and laws voted on that damaged thousands of jobs and businesses. Who is going to take responsibility for the plant closures? How with a straight face can a progressive liberal demand further traveling down a path of carbon taxation or carbon trading? How can you close the affordable coal fired plants when all the evidence for the reason of the closure was fictitious, and fraudulently created. There were a lot of law makers who used the IPCC material to demand coal closure when in fact it was all fabricated.
I see a lot of law suits aimed at the Sierra Club now, and others for pressing legislation targeting industries and utility companies who were red flagged for closure due to misrepresented studies and clear and utter lies.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 28, 2009 06:05 AM (g7J39)

32

Wait a minute: I thought the Coming New Ice was Settled Science, settled way back in the '70s...

Remember? It was PROVEN the Earth was cooling, ground temperatures were freezing, less sunlight was hitting the surface of the Earth, governments needed to set aside hundreds of billions of dollars to get ready for the great coming famines.

Did I miss something?

We overcorrected.

Posted by: huerfano at November 28, 2009 06:06 AM (vtuZz)

33

"So Doctor, are you happy to see me, or is that just a Hockey Stick?"

Quote from some female grad student in environmental studies, from what I've been told.

Posted by: HH at November 28, 2009 06:09 AM (+jvXp)

34 The only folks using the Scientific Method in this whole affair are the skeptics aka deniers. If the AGW folks had used the SM right from the start, AGW would never have been born. Der! That's why we are here today. Just like the housing collapse. If the Feds had left banks alone and not shoved the CRA down their throats, the housing bubble would never have formed in the first place.

Posted by: eman at November 28, 2009 06:12 AM (eSNGZ)

35
It is what it is.

Posted by: wise words from Olympia Snowe at November 28, 2009 06:16 AM (z37MR)

36
Well since alot of these guys are soon to be out of a job, I wonder if they'd be interested in helping me twist some data. You know,...like cellphone and text messaging records, credit card receipts, etc.,etc.

Posted by: Tiger Woods at November 28, 2009 06:16 AM (+FzLa)

37

One thing is for sure, the genie is out of the bottle. The question is, what happens next? Millions and millions of people are going to have to face the fact that everything they've ever believed in is a lie. Mass suicide? Mental hospitals filled to capacity? Enraged anarchists rioting in major population centers? This is the end of the world for an awful lot of people.

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at November 28, 2009 06:17 AM (ir65V)

38 Ed Begley in a "carbon footprint competition," LOL! Is that like a Fart Fight?? How did he make it from his house corss-country into Varney's studio... roller skates?

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 28, 2009 06:17 AM (QECjC)

39 I keep telling you, this is a nontroversy!

Posted by: Double Down On Stupid at November 28, 2009 06:20 AM (JFNQ7)

40 Remember Morons:
(Also from Chicago)..

A racist is anyone who is winning a debate with a liberal.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 28, 2009 06:22 AM (g7J39)

41 You can tell how devastating this is to the Left Empire by noting the feeble and near zero counterattacks from trolls of all sorts.

Posted by: eman at November 28, 2009 06:22 AM (eSNGZ)

42 Maybe it's time to forget this AGW crap and go back to the Alar thing. It worked pretty well for a while.

Posted by: Union of Concerned Phrenologists at November 28, 2009 06:23 AM (YCVBL)

43

This is a watershed for us conservatives, as Sickinmass points out above. The rules, regulations and laws that were passed based on this now-proven-to-be-fraudulent "science" absolutely must be repealed. If not, then any politician who still supports them is ripe for replacement for a very good reason.

There is no longer any excuse for us to restrict oil drilling, or build nuclear power plants, or outlaw incandescant light bulbs, or any of that nonsense. There should be a flood of lawsuits against Greenpeace and the Sierra Club and any other group that's forced us to delay and pay more for energy because of their lawsuits. Hell, if I had the resources, that would be my day job.

We now have a litmus test for anyone who's interested in running for office: "Do you believe in "climate change"? If the answer is yes, it's grounds for instant disqualification, just as it should have been before Climategate.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 28, 2009 06:24 AM (ZGhSv)

44 #39, you owe me a new monitor! Dude, that's some seriously funny Shite right there.

Posted by: BIG ROB at November 28, 2009 06:26 AM (f6qHG)

45 Of course, the thing about mercury and lead leeching out of your fillings was pretty sweet, too.

Posted by: Union of Concerned Phrenologists at November 28, 2009 06:26 AM (YCVBL)

46

Posted by: eman at November 28, 2009 11:22 AM (eSNGZ)

That's true, they've been scarce haven't they?

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at November 28, 2009 06:27 AM (ir65V)

47 Look.  This is all much ado about nothing.  My colleagues and I were using scientific jargon and colloquialisms that you non-scientists couldn't even hope to understand.

When I said "delete the emails," that's jargon for "keep the emails in a safe place and sent them to any serious inquirer.  When I said "hide the decline," that's a colloquialism meaning "highlight the decline."  When I said "I'm not going to send my data to you, because all you want to do is poke holes in it," that meant "Attached please find the data I'm sending in the spirit of free and open scientific inquiry.

Now do you understand, you chicken-chokin', cousin-pokin', Bible-totin' inbred racist hicks?

Posted by: Phil Jones at November 28, 2009 06:27 AM (8l0RO)

48 46, Yeah, baby, yeah!

Posted by: eman at November 28, 2009 06:27 AM (eSNGZ)

49 It would be wonderful if the legions of bloodsucking lawyers were sicced on the AGW liars.It would be ball dippingly wonderful in fact.

Posted by: steevy at November 28, 2009 06:29 AM (1fQsC)

50
#46
That would include the majority of the republicans too.
In reality they want the same level of government power as the socialists.
I guess that makes them the bigger liars.

Posted by: Porgy Tirebiter at November 28, 2009 06:32 AM (+CLh/)

51
Why the F*CK does anyone listen to actors?  Who cares what this jackass has to say about anything? 

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 28, 2009 06:32 AM (x++TB)

52

I must respond to this post:

The Bay City Rollers

Don't understand the reference here.

Pet Rocks.

Not a fraud or a stupid invention. The pet rock craze was just a new method of marketing a joke book.

Y2K.

I have seen a lot of references here at AOS to this being a huge fraud based on the fact that "nothing" happened. Nothing major happened because big companies spent millions revamping their software AND hardware to remove Y2K bugs.

I know this because I was actually involved with some of this at my old company. I had to write a test program for some software that I used and was responsible for. This test program involved loading the software on a stand-alone computer and resetting the date to each of the Y2K related dates and running the software through each of its uses to determine if it was negatively impacted.

There were about 50 people on the team who were responsible for different items all over the company. As it turns out my software WAS impacted, but it was a minor impact on a function that I did not use.  This was not the case for all the hardware and software on site. We wound up having to actually replace hardware that had negative impacts physically wired into them.

The Y2K "scare" was not a fraud.

Global Warming.

Yes a massive fraud.


Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2009 06:33 AM (CDUiN)

53 @10, if I understand you right, you have a very interesting point. If this were food/drug company data fudging or a scandal of this magnitude, the FDA would certainly have some of these guys in jail.
This blog should never let this story die until the hoax known as global warming is dead.
Yesterday, I fired off emails to both Senators and my Congressman asking whether they would vote no on any cap and trade legislation in light of the growing scandal with global warming.

Posted by: Def Leppard at November 28, 2009 06:35 AM (hIOnV)

54 I'm gonna take everyone's word for it on this. Mark Steyn is engaging a troll, and I'm sure it's funny, but I don't want to start punching walls in between laughing at the takedown.

Posted by: arhooley at November 28, 2009 06:35 AM (GKXA7)

55

We also have to get the SCOTUS to un-declare CO2 as a pollutant. This scam goes deep. Also, we have to undo the stupid bill that phases out our incandescent light bulbs [Bush passed it 2 years ago]. Those CFLs will pollute the earth and eventually future generations with mercury. The people that created this scam are diabolical.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 28, 2009 06:37 AM (g7J39)

56 OK, I've got it. The bisphenol in water bottles kills your sex drive. Prove me wrong, bitches!

Posted by: Union of Concerned Phrenologists at November 28, 2009 06:37 AM (YCVBL)

57 Def Leppard and Vic, that's something I'd like to see some of our journalists follow up on. Go interview a few research scientists at some major pharmaceuticals, at DuPont, at any pesticide company, and see what they have to say about The Science.

Posted by: arhooley at November 28, 2009 06:38 AM (GKXA7)

58 Vic, my point was to poke some fun at a few fads and things that enjoyed some widespread media attention, that's all.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 28, 2009 06:38 AM (ZGhSv)

59 There should be a flood of lawsuits against Greenpeace and the Sierra Club and any other group that's forced us to delay and pay more for energy because of their lawsuits.

LOL not likely as long as the liberals control the courts. Remember what happened when the apple growers in WA were bankrupted by the phony Alar scare. 

When they sued the courts said it was a "SLAPP" suit and therefore they could not recover even if the Alar scare was, in fact, intentional fraud.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2009 06:39 AM (CDUiN)

60 55, Vic, The Bay City Rollers were promoted as the next John Paul, George, and Ringo.. Not so much. BTW, you are docked 10 AoSHQ points for using the term "negative impact".

Posted by: eman at November 28, 2009 06:40 AM (eSNGZ)

61 So Ed Begly invented the what?
Developed the what?
Created the what?
Studied science where?
The bastard son of a morally challenged father.

Posted by: Porgy Tirebiter at November 28, 2009 06:41 AM (+CLh/)

62 Why the F*CK does anyone listen to actors?  Who cares what this jackass has to say about anything? 

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 28, 2009 11:32 AM (x++TB)
---------------------------

That's why I'm graciously excusing myself from reading Steyn this morning. Nothing to be gained from exploring the mind of Ed Begley.

Posted by: arhooley at November 28, 2009 06:41 AM (GKXA7)

63 The Sun is low-riding through the Hood today.

Posted by: eman at November 28, 2009 06:42 AM (eSNGZ)

64 Vic, my point was to poke some fun at a few fads and things that enjoyed some widespread media attention, that's all.

Ok, I wasn't trying to be snotty. My major p[oint was the Y2K thing.

I have seen several people posting on that as being some kind of fraud. I just wanted to make sure all the Morons know that it wasn't a fraud.

There were some major problems associated with Y2K.

Hell, a Y2K error was what Hansen blamed his errors on at NASA for the 8 out of 10 hottest years claim. Hahahaha, that one I have trouble figuring out.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2009 06:44 AM (CDUiN)

65 Ed Begley Sr. was great on Petticoat Junction.  Apparantly the best part of Ed Begley Jr. ended up on the mattress.

Posted by: MAJHAM at November 28, 2009 06:44 AM (qXVP6)

66 And FWIW, the final episode of St. Elswhere was stupid.

Posted by: MAJHAM at November 28, 2009 06:45 AM (qXVP6)

67 POLITICALLY-correct penpushers have banned calling yobs "youths" - so as not to hurt their feelings.

Government bureaucrats insist they must be called "young persons" instead.

I refuse to call them "young persons".  At that age, they're barely human.

Posted by: katya at November 28, 2009 06:46 AM (dLBeQ)

68
Wait.

So there were actually Y2K bugs that needed to be dealt with?

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 28, 2009 06:46 AM (z37MR)

69
Does this finally mean an end to the extreme environmentalists hold on America and the end to the theft of American tax dollars and government dictates on our lifestyle choices?
One can only hope we can return to life as we knew it, utilizing our natural resources etc.(we are capable of doing that responsibly) plus getting rid of the power wielded over our choice of vehicles, and demanding the use of products that are pure trash, all in the name of protecting the environment lie. The truth is nobody wants to ride around in clown mini car deathtraps, sit freezing in our homes, using mercury ridden dim bulbs, and all the rest of the regressive plans being foisted on us. All the while Gore laughed his way to the bank and Copenhagen is about to raid your pocketbook.. what is left of it. I can hope can't I?
Obama is such a tool..he and his ilk make me sick.
In mass.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 28, 2009 06:46 AM (g7J39)

70 The ten commandments of the AGW religion.

1) "Thou shalt have no other beliefs before AGW."
2) "Thou shalt make many graven images of polar bears on thin ice,"
3) "Thou shalt not take the name of Manbearpig in vain;"
4) "Remember the Carbon, to keep it holy."
5) "Honor thy party and thy caucus:"
6) "Thou shalt not eat meat grown." (you can skip this one if you want to)
7) "Thou shalt not commit adultery unless she's hot and smells of patchouli"
"Thou shalt not steal, the govt is more than happy to do it for you."
9) "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor unless they are deniers."
10) "Thou shalt covet thy neighbor's house,.....and anything that is thy neighbor's they obviously built it with stolen labor of brown people.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 28, 2009 06:47 AM (tf9Ne)

71
Wow. I thought Brian Dennehy was in Petticoat Junction.

Posted by: sickinmass at November 28, 2009 06:48 AM (g7J39)

72 The Bay City Rollers were promoted as the next John Paul, George, and Ringo.. Not so much.

LOL, I guess I missed that. I had never heard of them so I had to google them up. It turns out that the entire time they were big I was in the South China Seas at Yankee Station. Didn't get too much rock news there.

So is "negative impact" too geeky a term?

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2009 06:48 AM (CDUiN)

73

The Bay City Rollers were promoted as the next John Paul, George, and Ringo.. Not so much.

Heh.  I loved the BCR's.  But I was like, 14.  So I can be excused.

Posted by: katya at November 28, 2009 06:49 AM (dLBeQ)

74

So there were actually Y2K bugs that needed to be dealt with?

Yeah, there were.  Vic ain't yanking your chain, it was a pain in the ass. 

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 28, 2009 06:50 AM (x++TB)

75 I thought Brian Dennehy was in Petticoat Junction.

He was. He played the steam engine.

Posted by: Beto at November 28, 2009 06:50 AM (+CLh/)

76 Why would a youth be offended by being called a Youth? What about greasy haired, pimply faced horny teen punk out to pork my daughter? I guess that would be right out, huh?

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 28, 2009 06:51 AM (QECjC)

77 The ten commandments of the AGW religion.

Left out number 11.

11) If in CA, thou shall not allow your trees to block the solar panels of your neighbor even though your tree was there first.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2009 06:51 AM (CDUiN)

78

Does this finally mean an end to the extreme environmentalists hold on America and the end to the theft of American tax dollars and government dictates on our lifestyle choices?

No way.  These people ("scientists", celebrities, politicians) have invested too much (money, publicity, reputation, brain power, self respect) to back down.  Religious zealots are a stubborn lot.

Posted by: katya at November 28, 2009 06:52 AM (dLBeQ)

79 Y2K
Some businesses were mashed pretty good.
Lost all their data trying to dick around with their data bases.

Posted by: Beto at November 28, 2009 06:53 AM (+CLh/)

80

What about greasy haired, pimply faced horny teen punk out to pork my daughter son? I guess that would be right out, huh?

FIFY

Posted by: katya at November 28, 2009 06:54 AM (dLBeQ)

81 None of this would be known without a free internet - the MSM (via BBC) sat on this for a month....

If you were to draw up a matrix of political and economic policies, of every country in the world, and look for overlap, look for areas where they all pretty much agreed, in actions, if not in words, you’ll find just three or four areas. One would be that they are all into this climate change crap. Another that they’re all (increasingly) censoring the internet within their borders, and in some case outside. And a third, interestingly, is that they are almost all shifting intellectual property breaches from the civil code, to the criminal code.

I don’t believe this is coincidence.

The internetcould be all that stands between us and totalitarianism.


Posted by: Anti-Harkkonen Freedom Fighter at November 28, 2009 06:55 AM (5r0Tz)

82 I thought Brian Dennehy was in Petticoat Junction. He was. He played the steam engine. Posted by: Beto Indeed, and another powerful and moving performance by BD was ignored by the Emmys. There is no justice.

Posted by: eman at November 28, 2009 06:55 AM (eSNGZ)

83 No way.  These people ("scientists", celebrities, politicians) have invested too much (money, publicity, reputation, brain power, self respect) to back down.

Currently they are just ignoring the entire thing. The ONLY time I have seen anyone on TV harping on this fraud is Glenn Beck.

Even the rest of Fox, other than their web site is not mentioning it.

Unless Inhoff(?) gets his Senate hearing it will simply be ignored by the pols.

They will not defend it, they will simply play Charlie Gibson on it.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2009 06:55 AM (CDUiN)

84 FIFY Posted by: katya at November 28, 2009 11:54 AM (dLBeQ) LOL

Posted by: CoolCzech at November 28, 2009 06:56 AM (QECjC)

85

Yeah, the Y2K thing was pretty much a non-issue for me. I understand that businesses rely on computers much more that I do and must therefore take that much more seriously. When your payroll is computerized, it's important. IIRC, Microsoft put out a patch for it, which was the extent of my preparation for it.

Still, this whole climate change thing is becoming a pervasive annoyance. You can't watch a TV show without some overt or covert GW message. Schools are emphasizing it instead of core instruction and kids test scores and ability for critical thinking are suffering as a result. There's no way to get away from the subject unless you turn off the TV or radio, which, come to think of it, isn't a bad idea.

I hope that Climategate kills it for good. I know it'll take a while for the programming to wear off for the easily swayed. But this is a crisis for the left, one that we shouldn't waste.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 28, 2009 06:56 AM (ZGhSv)

86
OT:  I'm 0-3 this week in the pick'em.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 28, 2009 06:57 AM (x++TB)

87

Why the F*CK does anyone listen to actors? 

My list of low-life occuptions:

1.  Used car salesmen

2.  Dirty cops

3.  T.V. Evangelists

4.  Politicians

5.  Hollywood celebrities

 

Posted by: katya at November 28, 2009 06:58 AM (dLBeQ)

88 Lost all their data trying to dick around with their data bases.

LOL, we converted all of our local databases to Microsnot after they had issued new software with a "fix".

The databases that were mainframe based were imported into Microsnot as well and the mainframe application was terminated.

Now that was a colossal headache.  I'm glad that our IT folks got stuck with that.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2009 06:59 AM (CDUiN)

89

I have seen several people posting on that as being some kind of fraud. I just wanted to make sure all the Morons know that it wasn't a fraud.

There were some major problems associated with Y2K.

Hell, a Y2K error was what Hansen blamed his errors on at NASA for the 8 out of 10 hottest years claim. Hahahaha, that one I have trouble figuring out.

Y2K was a fraud in the sense that it was hyped as a potentially catastrophic event, with predictions of damned near everything associated with modern society collapsing.  Didn't happen.

Yes, a lot of time and money had to be spent to update old code, and minor glitches no doubt showed up.  However, the lights stayed on, airplanes didn't fall from the sky, bank accounts didn't get wiped out, and for the most part nothing happened.

I had a buddy working for the phone company doing datacom support.  It's a 24x7x365 operation, and everyone had to be at work on New Years Eve in case of major problems that never happened.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 28, 2009 07:01 AM (rf03a)

90

For Y2K disbelievers, my software engineering company was contracted by Florida Power & Light for site studies.  Every fuel transfer station's pumps, phone systems, software distribution panels, electronic valves, etc., were itemized, validated, and information returned to engineering office for status verification. 

This project for FPL involved thousands of man-hours for multiple contractors, and big $$$. 

Posted by: Fish at November 28, 2009 07:04 AM (6mfq0)

91

The Bay City Rollers

Pet Rocks.

Y2K.

Global Warming.


You forgot a couple:

Dutch Tulips

The post-1871 pickelhaube

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 28, 2009 07:04 AM (QyExu)

92 Posted by: katya at November 28, 2009 11:52 AM (dLBeQ)

Agreed, for the short term. But I'm hopeful. Apart from some tenured holdouts and professional malcontents, who is gonna hook their wagon to such a rapidly dimming star? The reason these frauds were faking the data is that the data doesn't exist in the real world. They've effectively taken a huge step toward disproving CO2/global warming and putting the whole phony climate industry out of business.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 28, 2009 07:05 AM (7XkqZ)

93

the other day they had an huge article in the newspaper saying some professor at UH (who will get their asses stomped by navy today btw) has absolute proof from the big island in hawaii that in the last several years that so2 has soared as shown by sensors there and that obama will be using that proof in copenhagen

they fail to mention that there is an ACTIVE VOLCANO on that fucking island spewing

wait for it,

wait for it

SO2!!!!

another no shit moment costing hundreds of billions

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 28, 2009 07:05 AM (eVLpt)

94

Y2K was a fraud in the sense that it was hyped as a potentially catastrophic event, with predictions of damned near everything associated with modern society collapsing.

Was it a fraud or was it alarmism?

Posted by: katya at November 28, 2009 07:05 AM (dLBeQ)

95 Yes, a lot of time and money had to be spent to update old code, and minor glitches no doubt showed up.

Some of those "minor glitches" could have caused MAJOR failures if they had not been fixed. For example; we had some hardware that actually froze up under the testing regime.

everyone had to be at work on New Years Eve in case of major problems that never happened.

Certain circles in the government wanted us (Nuclear Power Plant) to activate the Emergency Facilities and man up the E-Plan as if we had had a major accident on New Year's Eve. Luckily saner heads prevailed on that one.

The industry was able to convince them that it would needlessly scare the public.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2009 07:06 AM (CDUiN)

96

76  Heh.  I loved the BCR's.  But I was like, 14.  So I can be excused.

ummm, no

there is no excuse, bow your head in shame for admitting that

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 28, 2009 07:07 AM (eVLpt)

97

My list of low-life occuptions: (sic)

1.  Used car salesmen

2.  Dirty cops

3.  T.V. Evangelists

4.  Politicians

5.  Hollywood celebrities

 Posted by: katya at November 28, 2009 11:58 AM (dLBeQ)

6.  Congressional asshole

Posted by: Fish at November 28, 2009 07:07 AM (6mfq0)

98
Was it a fraud or was it alarmism?

It was a real issue that the MSM over hyped and Art Bell turned into an 'End Times' cottage industry.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 28, 2009 07:07 AM (x++TB)

99

79  What about greasy haired, pimply faced horny teen punk out to pork my daughter? I guess that would be right out, huh?

i think target or future corpse would be more appropiate

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 28, 2009 07:08 AM (eVLpt)

100 http://tinyurl.com/yklo4h5

Posted by: Super Important Widely Respected Dood at November 28, 2009 07:09 AM (pNYyA)

101

"Wow. I thought Brian Dennehy was in Petticoat Junction"

 

Ed Begley Sr.  was Uncle Joe.  You remember Uncle Joe.  He was the one afraid to cut the cake.

Posted by: MAJHAM at November 28, 2009 07:10 AM (qXVP6)

102 96, Interesting. SO2 is a cooling gas, not a warming gas. Dear Lord, please let them step in that shite bucket.

Posted by: eman at November 28, 2009 07:10 AM (eSNGZ)

103

76  Heh.  I loved the BCR's.  But I was like, 14.  So I can be excused.

ummm, no

there is no excuse, bow your head in shame for admitting that

Teenage girls can be excused anything as they have no brains 95% of the time.

The remaining 5% accounted for my political conservativism.

Posted by: katya at November 28, 2009 07:11 AM (dLBeQ)

104 What about greasy haired, pimply faced horny teen punk out to pork my daughter? I guess that would be right out, huh? i think target or future corpse would be more appropiate Posted by: navycopjoe Young man, before you take my daughter out on a date, let me explain to you the difference between an entry wound and an exit wound.

Posted by: eman at November 28, 2009 07:12 AM (eSNGZ)

105

105  they forgot that some volcano (too much history channel for joe) caused the last ice age from so2

that poor chicken must has some serious hemmorhoids over this agw scam

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 28, 2009 07:15 AM (eVLpt)

106

My list of low-life occuptions: (sic)

Tow truck drivers. F'n vultures.

Posted by: Alex's Cabin at November 28, 2009 07:15 AM (ir65V)

107

6.  Congressional asshole

Posted by: Fish at November 28, 2009 12:07 PM (6mfq0)

See #5

Posted by: katya at November 28, 2009 07:15 AM (dLBeQ)

108

What continues to amaze me is that Barry and crew are forging ahead as if none of this scandal ever happened.  They have it in their consciousness, therefore it's settled.  Like - "500 thousand jobs created or saved", or "socialized healthcare will actually save money over ten years," or "the most ethical and open congress in history," or "the problems this administration inherited."

It is in their minds so it is true...

...regardless of whether it is actual true or not!

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 28, 2009 07:16 AM (r1h5M)

109

Remember the Cold Fusion hubub a few years ago?

The two inventors, Fleishman & Pons, ran an open book operation. The scientific community reviewed their work, was unable to duplicate their results and tore the theory to shreds.

If Cold Fusion data and methods were as manipulated and kept as secret as AGW we might be spending billion building Cold Fusion reactors.

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 28, 2009 07:16 AM (F71c5)

110 112, Yes. Good example.

Posted by: eman at November 28, 2009 07:18 AM (eSNGZ)

111

106  hmmm, okay, i'll give you that

i just pray they make a pill that will prevent my 8yo girl from turning into a teenager

now thats science i would believe in

107  consider that stolen for future use

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 28, 2009 07:18 AM (eVLpt)

112

105  they forgot that some volcano (too much history channel for joe) caused the last ice age from so2

Would that be the same history channel that gives us the history of UFO's?

Posted by: katya at November 28, 2009 07:19 AM (dLBeQ)

113 I don't think the leak of these emails will be a bog deal in the long run.

For the proles it's a faith based program.  The people spreading this message still have faith, and will continue no matter what.  Even if it means changing the message slightly.

For the high priests and priestesses it's all about the money.  There is a lot of money to made in fear mongering.  You think GE is going to let a few leaked emails put a stopper in their plans?

Note also that Christianity has been attacked by the MSM/commies for a better part of century is this country, and it is still a powerful religion in the world.

In a nutshell it's pretty hard to destroy a religion.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 28, 2009 07:19 AM (OVP8C)

114

96

Faaaccckk! In the last 20 years or so industry has spent a fuckton of money scrubbing SO2 to eliminate acid rain. Now they want it back?

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 28, 2009 07:20 AM (F71c5)

115

116  thats the one

don't forget the 16 hours of hitler per day

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 28, 2009 07:21 AM (eVLpt)

116
Somebody help me up off this couch.

Posted by: Newt Gingrich at November 28, 2009 11:00 AM (+FzLa)

Sorry, Newtie, your fat arse appears to be lodged there for all time.  Heh, heh.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 28, 2009 07:22 AM (LKkE8)

117
(Almost) Everyone with Windows 95 was worried their pc's would shit the bed on 1/1/2000.

We didn't need a fix.

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 28, 2009 07:22 AM (z37MR)

118

What continues to amaze me is that Barry and crew are forging ahead as if none of this scandal ever happened.  They have it in their consciousness, therefore it's settled. 

That's because it has nothing to do with what's best for people or the planet.  It's all about power.

Posted by: katya at November 28, 2009 07:23 AM (dLBeQ)

119

118  yep and the volcano is serving it up big time, hell, if the winds are down honolulu gets wasted by vog for days

if its between nature and humans....bet on nature

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 28, 2009 07:24 AM (eVLpt)

120
Remember when the RAELIANS cloned a sheep named DOLLY but it turned out DOLLY was a FAKE SHEEP?

Posted by: namewing plover at November 28, 2009 07:24 AM (z37MR)

121 Nothing major happened because big companies spent millions revamping their software AND hardware to remove Y2K bugs.

I had 5 years of phat consulting gigs doing SCM systems for Y2K remediation efforts.  People did indeed spend a lot time and money making sure nothing dire would happen.

Prudential/Avis/Visa/B&N/Chrysler (all places I consulted at) were all working on it for many years with thousands of programmers collectively.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 28, 2009 07:25 AM (imyV1)

122 i need a bumper sticker that says 'Save the Planet...Burn a Hippie'

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 28, 2009 07:26 AM (eVLpt)

123
103 http://tinyurl.com/yklo4h5

that was heh-worthy

Posted by: namewing plover at November 28, 2009 07:27 AM (z37MR)

124

if its between nature and humans....bet on nature

And humans think our insignifant actions will destroy the planet.

Posted by: katya at November 28, 2009 07:27 AM (dLBeQ)

125 >>Note also that Christianity has been attacked by the MSM/commies for a better part of century is this country, and it is still a powerful religion in the world.

And now.. per new AoSHQ rules: This thread needs a poem.
(for Katya..Moronette )

I was shocked, confused, bewildered As I entered Heaven's door,
Not by the beauty of it all, Nor the lights or its decor.
But it was the folks in Heaven Who made me sputter and gasp--
The thieves, the liars, the sinners, The alcoholics and the trash..
There stood the kid from seventh grade Who swiped my lunch money twice.
Next to him was my old neighbor Who never said anything nice.
Herb, who I always thought Was rotting away in hell,
Was sitting pretty on cloud nine, Looking incredibly well.
I nudged Jesus, 'What's the deal? I would love to hear Your take.
How'd all these sinners get up here? God must've made a mistake.
And why is everyone so quiet, So somber - give me a clue.'

"Hush, child,' He said, 'they're all in shock.
No one thought they'd be seeing you.'
JUDGE NOT!
Remember...Just going to church doesn't make you a Christian any more
than standing in your garage makes you a car.
 
Every saint has a PAST...
Every sinner has a FUTURE!!!

Posted by: sickinmass at November 28, 2009 07:28 AM (g7J39)

126 It's all a crock of shit, sure, but history is calling.

Posted by: Sen. Olympia Snowe at November 28, 2009 07:29 AM (+AEJn)

127
All I can imagine is two IT geeks sitting in a room and one says,"Why don't we just change the date to January 1st, 2000 and see wat happens?"

And the other geek saying, "Nah, that's too risky. Let's think of something else."

Posted by: a.k.a. at November 28, 2009 07:29 AM (z37MR)

128

128  even more pathetic, liberals actually thought george bush could control nature and cause natural diasters like the indoneasian tsunami

some people really need to be culled from the gene pool

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 28, 2009 07:30 AM (eVLpt)

129 Teenage girls can be excused anything..........

So true for as littyle Bobbie said to little Johnny during "show and tell"; "with one of these I can get all of those I want".

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2009 07:32 AM (CDUiN)

130

In Hollywood peer review is called the Oscars and we all know that's never about politics.*

 

* See All Gore's An Inconvenient Truth and all Michael Moore's work.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at November 28, 2009 07:32 AM (RQ+qN)

131 Sickinmass, that is marvelous.  I'm sending it to hubby, the minister.

Posted by: katya at November 28, 2009 07:33 AM (dLBeQ)

132 All I can imagine is two IT geeks sitting in a room and one says,"Why don't we just change the date to January 1st, 2000 and see wat happens?"

That is exactly how a lot of the software testing was done, except that there were more dates than Jan 1, 2000 and you had to actually exercise all of the features of the software.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2009 07:34 AM (CDUiN)

133 I found this link at TigerHawk....it's well worth the time to read the article and all of the comments.  Some of the article has been posted, I believe, but the comments contain some science, some politics, and some hysteria.  Just like the AGW debate at large.

http://tinyurl.com/yd8lcmf


Posted by: The Hammer at November 28, 2009 07:34 AM (YBTwf)

134 54
Why the F*CK does anyone listen to actors?  Who cares what this jackass has to say about anything? 

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 28, 2009 11:32 AM (x++TB)

In the words of Rush Limbaugh, "They pretend for a living"

Posted by: RushBabe at November 28, 2009 07:35 AM (LKkE8)

135 Peer Reviewed Climate Science: Disagree and we'll drop you off a pier.

Posted by: Rocks at November 28, 2009 07:37 AM (B0vt9)

136 I think Clippy would make a great mascot for the AGW movement.  Utterly useless and totally bent.

Posted by: sherlock at November 28, 2009 07:38 AM (ktKOD)

Posted by: eddiebear at November 28, 2009 07:38 AM (hFNwV)

138

The scientific journals of 19th century Europe were full of scholarly proofs that the Jews Had To Go. Just before that, it was settled science in the American South that certain genetic groups were born to be hewers of wood and carriers of water. The CDC has a heap-o-'splainin to do. And you know who benefits?

Philip Morris, that's who. The mask has finally slipped on Big-Anti-Smoking. 

And now, for a revaluation of all values. This could be a great year. Hope!

Posted by: comatus at November 28, 2009 07:38 AM (/VEEI)

139

I wonder if some of this lack of skepticism isn't partly attributable to the difference between Science and Engineering.

In my first year of Mech Engineering I was taught that in general, engineering is the economic application of science. There are other more elaborate definitions, but that's good enough.

Hell, I'm continuously sceptical of my own work. Sleep on it, recheck it and check it again. Then present it to peers, Mgr, VPs for potential better ideas, revisions, approval and funding.

When engineers are wrong bad things happen promptly: People are injured or die, pollution happens or as a minimum we just lose money.

... that said, my brother is a scientist and it seems like he and his peers go at each other like dogs. This AGW Cabal needs to be punished severely.

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 28, 2009 07:40 AM (F71c5)

140

Whoopie Goldberg is smarter than Joy Behar.

http://tinyurl.com/ylyoqsn


 

Posted by: katya at November 28, 2009 07:40 AM (dLBeQ)

141 This AGW stuff makes perfect sense to me.

Posted by: Piltdown Man at November 28, 2009 07:43 AM (+AEJn)

142

P.S. to my 143, ... I almost forgot:

I still want to lauch Algore out of a clown-cannon. OK?

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 28, 2009 07:44 AM (F71c5)

143 146  clown cannon or battleship 16in main cannon?

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 28, 2009 07:46 AM (eVLpt)

144
My cat is smarter than Joy Behar.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 28, 2009 07:46 AM (x++TB)

145 I'm not surprised that AGW is being proved to be a scam, though I'm suprised that the revelation should be so complete and sudden. But I also think this revelation will mean nothing. Just as Islamic government suse the myth of Mohammed and the Koran as a tool for acquiring power, "liberal" governments of the west want to use the myth AGW to acquire power. And fact is helpless against a powerful myth, especially when the powers-that-be have everything to gain by promoting the myth.

Posted by: Brown Line at November 28, 2009 07:46 AM (WW9CA)

146

The industry was able to convince them that it would needlessly scare the public.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2009 12:06 PM (CDUiN)

There was no end to the doomsday-ish Y2K hyperbole. I got sick of it real quick.  Anyone with a little gray matter knew that there was going to be minor--if any--problems. I was in the Army at the time, and I knew people who were stocking up on non-perishables and ammo in preparation for the "coming apocalypse".  I toasted in the New Year and smiled when the electricity stayed on, computers still functioned, and no body had to end up foraging for food. What a surprise.

Posted by: SFC MAC at November 28, 2009 07:48 AM (cuNX0)

147

When this world was very young, every organism was in danger of extinction. Life won but it was a hellhole for millions of years. What we can do to this world is nothing compared to what the Earth can do to us. If we poison the air and water we poison ourselves.

Posted by: Tommy Gunn at November 28, 2009 07:50 AM (rQTdM)

148

As Mark Steyn points out, Ed Begley Jr. recites "peer-reviewed" many times, as though it were a talisman to protect someone or some thing.  What is Ed afraid of?

Wiki indicates that Ed Begley Jr. graduated from Loa Angeles Valley College, a community college.  This looks like the answer. Ed studied acting, but his mathematics and science skills are still at the high school level. Ed just isn't up to thinking for himself at the level required.

Someone here at AoSHQ posted a list of Hollywood actors and their educational level (mostly high school grads).  Ed is one more for the list.


Ed B.: your "peer-reviewed" articles are "fixed". The published studies aren't really peer-reviewed, and one of the released e-mails proves that the fools at the CRU conspired to limit review to "predictable" reviewers only.

Posted by: Arbalest at November 28, 2009 07:51 AM (Ym9lj)

149 The same is true with fisheries "science" and those that review it--funded by Pew and Packard (and Andrus, Surdna, and Allen) they pay for the science for the foregone conclusion, then they review each other, sort of like the crows on an old Disney movie, and the public is none the wiser. Many aren't aware that in the US, 3 out of four fisheries aren't over fished; four out of five overfishing is not occurring in. The same enviros that fund global warming have their hand in fisheries too, with the same press collusion.

Science and Nature even used to have (may still) sponsorships, so that when you pay extra, you can guarantee proper product placement and press spin and proper releases for maximum press effect

Posted by: b at November 28, 2009 07:52 AM (jSbKY)

150 These slugs apparently learned something from the cold fusion thingy a few years ago.  The researchers put all their data out there for all to see.  All of the mistakes and misinterpretations were rather quickly discovered.  Picking the reviewers now has become the last refuge of a fraud. 

Posted by: Pelayo at November 28, 2009 07:54 AM (wwQxi)

151

147 / Navycopjoe.

Let's keep it repeatable.

Two clown-cannons at either end of the stadium for fast reloading.

Think we could sell some tickets for that?

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 28, 2009 07:55 AM (F71c5)

152 Guys: I'm outa here for awhile. Going to meet a buddy at Noon MST to shoot some sporting clays.

Posted by: Huckleberry at November 28, 2009 07:56 AM (F71c5)

153 All I can imagine is two IT geeks sitting in a room and one says,"Why don't we just change the date to January 1st, 2000 and see wat happens?"

A lot of that was done.  There was a certain amount of internal politics involved in many organizations as well.  It was seen by some as an opportunity to upgrade hardware (using a different budget rather than limited hardware budgets) even if it didn't require upgrading.

Prudential, for example, had a number of critical systems running on IBM PS/2 hardware, which had RTC issues where they wouldn't "roll over" correctly "automatically".  If however, you simply reset the data/time manually to 1JAN2000, then the RTC would maintain that and all would be well for the next 100 years or so.  The easy way out would have been to simply do the manual date reset on Jan 1 which IBM had certified as an acceptable workaround.

However...those PS/2 systems were hooked up to a (very reliable and robust) Token Ring LAN but the Ethernet Nazis were keen to see that all go away even though when it came to "hauling the freight" under combat conditions, I'd benchmarked the existing 4mpbs T/R being only slightly behind the new 100mpbs Ethernet they wanted.  A trivial config change to the 16-4 cards to switch them to 16mbps would have had the T/R at parity with the Ethernet -- which would have been politically unacceptable. [Lesson: stated "speed" numbers are often meaningless, you need to test a given LAN architecture under load to see what it can really do]

I didn't make a stink over it being a hired gun and it wasn't what I was there for anyway, it just happened that the machines I was working with were on the T/R and some on the Ethernet so I was in a position to draw comparisons.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 28, 2009 07:57 AM (imyV1)

154 No way.  These people ("scientists", celebrities, politicians) have invested too much (money, publicity, reputation, brain power, self respect) to back down.

Currently they are just ignoring the entire thing. The ONLY time I have seen anyone on TV harping on this fraud is Glenn Beck.

Even the rest of Fox, other than their web site is not mentioning it.

Unless Inhoff(?) gets his Senate hearing it will simply be ignored by the pols.

They will not defend it, they will simply play Charlie Gibson on it.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2009 11:55 AM (CDUiN)

My sister is a 6th-grade science teacher, and a well-thought-of one at that.  She scours TIME cover to cover,  reads the local podunk paper and predominantly watches network news because it's just habit. 

I asked her this morning what her fellow teachers thought of the GW hoax.  She didn't know about the e-mails.  She's heard people scoff at it along the way but never really was swayed for or against it.  She knows I watch FOX and hang at conservative sites -- but I'm know as the alarmist/conspiracy nut in the family.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 28, 2009 07:58 AM (LKkE8)

155 There was no end to the doomsday-ish Y2K hyperbole. I got sick of it real quick.

So did I.  Its like, we ARE dealing with it you numbnuts assholes, so just STFU because we WILL have it 99% done by showtime, mkay?

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 28, 2009 08:00 AM (imyV1)

156

"I still want to lauch Algore out of a clown-cannon. OK?"  Posted by: Huckleberry

I suggest he land in a net designed by the CRU slugs and checke by their co-conspiratorial peer reviewers.

Posted by: Pelayo at November 28, 2009 08:01 AM (wwQxi)

157 I toasted in the New Year and smiled when the electricity stayed on, computers still functioned, and no body had to end up foraging for food. What a surprise.

You missed my point. The power may not have stayed on if no work had been done to fix the problem.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2009 08:01 AM (CDUiN)

158

Re: 158

...TIME cover to cover,  reads the local podunk paper and predominantly watches network news...

RushBabe, that's like eating endless brands of vanilla ice cream and never tasting chocolate.

Posted by: Tommy Gunn at November 28, 2009 08:02 AM (rQTdM)

159 You missed my point. The power may not have stayed on if no work had been done to fix the problem.

Some people just don't understand infrastructure.  They think water come out of a tap, and the lights go on cuz they flipped a switch.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 28, 2009 08:03 AM (imyV1)

160
And FWIW, the final episode of St. Elswhere was stupid.

Posted by: MAJHAM at November 28, 2009 11:45 AM (qXVP6)



Hey HAM, go f'ck yourself sweethaht, I got patients to save heyah ! Ehrlick, don't stand there with your opposable thumb up your ass you dumb chimpanzee, give me some suction !

Posted by: Dr. Mark Craig at November 28, 2009 08:05 AM (+FzLa)

161 Part of caption on an AP picture in Mark Steyn's article:

"Since an agreement to reduce greenhouse gas pollution was signed in Kyoto, Japan, in Dec. 1997, the level of carbon dioxide in the air has increased 6.5 percent."

Obviously, greenhouse gas treaties cause global warming.

Posted by: Teri at November 28, 2009 08:05 AM (V8hq1)

162 PA,

We had some of that "lets upgrade hardware" using Y2K budget as well. Like I said, we had about 50 people on the team and we were each required to develop a testing regime for the items we were responsible for

What some of the people tried to do was do a write up saying that a particular piece of hardware or software could not be adequately tested therefore replacement by a "certified" product was justified.

When those papers went forward they were halted at management review and the writer was required to personally justify why it could not be tested to the Manager.

Most of them were sent back to the drawing board.

Posted by: Vic at November 28, 2009 08:07 AM (CDUiN)

163 Just like this AGW fraud, crooked people made money from Y2K.  I heard of a scam where auto mechanics were telling people that their cars would not start on Jan 1, 2000 if they did not replace the control module.  I wonder how many people had them replaced?

Posted by: Pelayo at November 28, 2009 08:09 AM (wwQxi)

164

My list of low-life occuptions: (sic)

Tow truck drivers. F'n vultures.   Posted by: Alex's Cabin at November 28, 2009 12:15 PM (ir65V)

Hey, you no got a parking tag, we snag.

Posted by: Tow Truck Driver at November 28, 2009 08:12 AM (3IZGh)

165 Cooked the books! Which ones? Axe and the dwarf dancer well know that all entities belonging to the Chicago Combine keep at least two sets of books, maybe more, but two for sure. It's almost like a "tradition" in the Land of Lincoln.

Posted by: TonyRezko at November 28, 2009 08:21 AM (+jw61)

166 All I can hear in my head is "SCIENCE!" from the Thomas Dolby song.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 28, 2009 08:25 AM (ItSLQ)

167

Some people just don't understand infrastructure.  They think water come out of a tap, and the lights go on cuz they flipped a switch.

About 52% of the population?

Posted by: katya at November 28, 2009 08:57 AM (sHqiq)

168 162

Re: 158

...TIME cover to cover,  reads the local podunk paper and predominantly watches network news...

RushBabe, that's like eating endless brands of vanilla ice cream and never tasting chocolate.

Posted by: Tommy Gunn at November 28, 2009 01:02 PM (rQTdM)

My point exactly.  For people with this mindset that "the new media" is all about conspiracy, no one will know -- at least for a long time.

Posted by: Annie Oakley at November 28, 2009 08:59 AM (LKkE8)

169 Damn, I wish I could have "peer review" like that.  I would not be sweating tenure at all.

Posted by: logprof at November 28, 2009 09:20 AM (I3Udb)

170 Reproducible results. That's what makes it science. Not peer review, not grant money, not Ed Begley. Hard to reproduce the results when the data are kept secret, innit?

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at November 28, 2009 09:37 AM (DcrPj)

171 173 Damn, I wish I could have "peer review" like that.  I would not be sweating tenure at all.

Posted by: logprof at November 28, 2009 02:20 PM (I3Udb)

I was always wondering: Does logprof mean forestry or inverse exponential functions?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 28, 2009 09:38 AM (ItSLQ)

172 RushBabe, that's like eating endless brands of vanilla ice cream piles of poo and never tasting chocolate.

Fixed.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 28, 2009 09:41 AM (hoowK)

173 Reproducible results. That's what makes it science. Not peer review, not grant money, not Ed Begley. Hard to reproduce the results when the data are kept secret, innit?

Thread winner.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 28, 2009 09:42 AM (hoowK)

174 176 RushBabe, that's like eating endless brands of vanilla ice cream piles of poo and never tasting chocolate.

Fixed.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 28, 2009 02:41 PM (hoowK)

Two peers, one review.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 28, 2009 09:47 AM (ItSLQ)

175 177 OMG! And me a(n Ace) virgin & all: "I'd like to take this opportunity to thank ..." ;-)

Posted by: Chicagorefugee at November 28, 2009 09:48 AM (DcrPj)

176 Does this make CRU the ACORN of peer review?

Posted by: Reiver at November 28, 2009 11:02 AM (h8OgN)

177 170 All I can hear in my head is "SCIENCE!" from the Thomas Dolby song.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 28, 2009 01:25 PM (ItSLQ)


SCIENCE!

Posted by: Dr. Magnus Pyke at November 28, 2009 11:04 AM (DrB2V)

178 Since when does "Peer Review" mean a paper is scientifically correct? Peer Review is simply a process to weed out obvious inaccuracies/inconsistencies, plagiarism, etc. Science, on the other hand, is applying skepticism to published theories and findings to disprove or replicate the author's work. A peer reviewed article in of itself is nothing more than opinion (or in some cases) fraud.

Posted by: Don Adams at November 28, 2009 11:41 AM (HTbbo)

179 My cat is smarter than Joy Behar.


And no doubt, less evil (we all know how evil teh kittehs are).

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 28, 2009 11:57 AM (QyExu)

180

Funny how none of these climate change scientists talk about...

Sunspot number: 0
Updated 27 Nov 2009

Spotless Days
Current Stretch: 5 day
2009 total: 248 days (75%)
Since 2004: 759 days
Typical Solar Min: 485 days
Updated 27 Nov 2009

Maybe because there's no money to be made off of something you can't do anything about?

Posted by: Deanna at November 28, 2009 12:12 PM (gxuV2)

181 Anyone who wants to channel surf right now at about 6:15 might want to check out CNN and see Ben Stein kicking James Carville's ass over AGW and climaquiddick.

Posted by: andycanuck at November 28, 2009 01:17 PM (2qU2d)

182 Little Charlie was a scientist
Charlie is no more
What he though was H20
Was H2SO4.

Thank you,

Posted by: Henry Gibson at November 28, 2009 01:18 PM (imtJ+)

183

I would bet this type of cooking the data has been going on for decades in other areas of study too. Take for example Lead. And the Lead scare.

Now, I am no scientist, and have not kept up with that issue as I have AGW, but when I was a kid (late 60's thru 70's) I used to fish a lot every summer. so did most of my friends. We never had fancy pliers to squeeze the split-shot LEAD Sinkers closed. We used our Teeth. Prolly a few got swallowed.

None of us Today have had unusual birth defects in our children, And most of us are still alive and well.  Look at the damage done to the lead industry..

Just Sayin.

Posted by: lowest strata at November 28, 2009 01:46 PM (An6hN)

184 I bow before yurins, and bleat for cash. wink

Posted by: Jimmy Swaggart at November 28, 2009 04:01 PM (An6hN)

185 Yep. For more evidence of climatology being, now, a Maoist exercise in riling up the Red Guards, the top two posts on my blog highlight the "plant an illegal tree" campaign, warmist propaganda inserted into your DVD rental, and a campaign to capture the institutions or - rather - to use the institutions already captured.

If you like my comments here, go check it out; if you don't, consider it a case of "even that arrogant shitheel Zimriel thinks they're out of line".

Posted by: Zimriel at November 28, 2009 04:02 PM (IJMBR)

186

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