January 31, 2007

That Weird Video Explained
— Ace

Viral ad? Maybe something like that. Someone tips that this goon is part of "Real Social Dynamics," a "date-coaching" cult that's supposed to get you laid.

Thus, the big finale about "Loving the Game." He's selling himself as an RSD success story.

I imagine those other cryptic acronyms like "AFC" have some meaning within the Church of Chooch as well.

That Crap Explained: Yeah, "Loverboy" is one of the "top" coaches at RSD. This article explains the weird acronyms and slang.

Like, "Sarging" is picking up women. PUA is "Pick-Up Artist."

And "AFC" is "Average Frustrated Chump," i.e., anyone who's not a PUA.

The link above mentions the "anti-slut defense," which is woman's "defense" against sleeping with you when she really wants to. The "PUA's" have all sorts of strategies to defeat the anti-slut defense.

Yeah.

It's called "alcohol."

That'll be $2000, please pay the cashier as you pick up your PUA t-shirt.

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1 That's so sad.

Posted by: harrison at January 31, 2007 03:49 PM (yYMAJ)

2 Oh boy, another walking STD factory advertising his chumpness.

Posted by: mbruce at January 31, 2007 03:54 PM (LLCm9)

3 The dbags who do this stuff are pathetic. I know a guy who swears by that book The Game and how it "changed his life." I listened to some of his speil about it. I guess if picking up drunk chicks with a bunch of "moves" (most of which is outright dumb or just common sense) then it works. Mainly, it's ego-boosting salesmenship for the hopelessly insecure.

Posted by: corn at January 31, 2007 03:59 PM (yHvEo)

4 AFC = Average Frustrated Chump. In other words, you or anybody else who lets the women choose them instead of vice versa. Be honest, did you choose your SO or did you just sort of accept her as the best you could do - in other words let her choose you?

In any case, RSD is part of an online group of guys that date people for coaching, there are a few reputable groups, and they have a sophisticated understanding of what attracts women and how men can do that. Don't believe me? Follow them into a bar. You will be stunned and what they do. You will think it impossible - then you will watch them do it. Then repeat it with a different group of girls. Then in a different bar. Fact is, women have a fairly well established set of attraction triggers.

How do I know this? I've been in this scene for a couple of years now, spending maybe 20 hours a week. In other words I'm intermediate. It requires a major lifestyle shift in everything - it is cultlike in the sense that a lot of lifes decisions - including who you hang out with - run through the 'getting laid' filter. Its also scary shit - you come to the realization that any given woman can be seduced in about 10 hours if the seducer is sufficiently skilled. I'm talking about married women with kids here, guys. Kinda wrecks your desire to settle down knowing that.

Anyway you losers can sit back in the knowledge that you'll never have to spend literally thousands of hours approaching groups of women you don't know in order to master the very real principles RSD and other groups teach. You can satisfy yourself that interacting with women isn't a skill and that - unlike everything else in your life - hard thoughtful work will get you nowhere. You can satisfy yourself that women are a big mystery and that its great your SO choose you and that she'll never stray. Enjoy the darkness.

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Posted by: mat mil at January 31, 2007 04:02 PM (SJL4G)

6
And "AFC" is "Average Frustrated Chump," i.e., anyone who's not a PUA.

So, AFC stands for "ulost."

got it.

Posted by: wiserbud at January 31, 2007 04:03 PM (56ssE)

7 Heh.

Now I'm really waiting for an Allah comment.

Posted by: someone at January 31, 2007 04:07 PM (I/t4f)

8 If you go to the first page of the article, about midway down the page you get this start of a paragraph:

"We will call my fellow students “Energy” and “Puma”, because, as you may have gathered, this is the kind of name that a pick-up artist has. I toy with being “Ace”, but it doesn’t catch on"

It usually never does, sadly...

Posted by: genghis at January 31, 2007 04:07 PM (0/c+a)

9 What a bunch of punks. A gentleman would never broadcast such advice because by enabling every douchebag on the planet to play The Game, you thereby ruin The Game.

In other words, if every ordinary assclown is running a professional-style pickup operation, the chicks become jaded and cynical. Diminishing returns, see? The Game -- which wasn't invented recently, and certainly not by these RSD guys -- works best with more-or-less naive women, who aren't psychologically equipped to cope with advanced tactics. But if hundreds of thousands of guys are running advanced operations, the prime opportunities are diminished.

Don't bother buying this guy's book, or reading any RSD advice. The basic secret of successful single guyhood is to employ a "shotgun" (rather than a "rifle") approach to meeting women. Learn to make amusing small-talk, and become comfortable at introducing yourself to complete strangers. Don't waste time -- don't zero in on the first girl you meet, without any indication that you're going to get anywhere. Play, don't get played.

Most of all, nothing succeeds like success. In other words, you're more likely to score with chicks while you're out having a great time with your buddies than you are while staring morosely into your drink, alone at the end of the bar. "Girls just want to have fun" -- so, always have fun!

Posted by: Nordbuster at January 31, 2007 04:07 PM (jYT9+)

10 Wow - think of all those very lucky Seattle women.


Posted by: Barbula at January 31, 2007 04:09 PM (fIjdj)

11 Mainly, it's ego-boosting salesmenship

That's the crux of it right there. These things might help you, but if they do it's placebic.

If you buy into this shit you buy for $19.99 and believe it, it lends to confidence.

Women do seem to me to be much less attracted to physical attributes then men are (attraction for men is 100% physical) and a lot of it seems to be attitude and demeanor and dress, so confidence can make a difference.

also scary shit - you come to the realization that any given woman can be seduced in about 10 hours if the seducer is sufficiently skilled.

See, you've bought into that entirely. I hope I don't totally wreck your certainty and screw up your sex life by asking you if you've ever considered that might only be true of the chicks hanging out in pickup bars in the first place, and none of them are exactly virginal or faithful housewives in the first place??

You know who else thinks women are like that?

The dudes cutting off their clitorii in north Africa.

Posted by: Entropy at January 31, 2007 04:11 PM (Uh5fR)

12 SeattleRAFC is obviously a very happy person. It really came through in his writing.

Posted by: cranky-d at January 31, 2007 04:28 PM (1O9mK)

13 Gents,
 What the man is telling you is true, with the right combination of charm, smarminess, glad handing and outright lying you too can score with grannies, the handicapped, the bar trawling line skanks, the chain smoking truckstop broad who pop their teeth out to pop someone's wood in, the kind of classy shick who buys a line of patter, yes patter and drops her yellowish panties to give you some(thing).

Try that patter on a gal at a Baptist convention, or at Mass, or a gal who can keep her knickers on when you arrive in your sports car, to make up for what you're probably not sporting down stairs, or for looking like Kenny Chesney. Hey, Ron Jeremy gets laid, so does every hangdog mother driving a Porsche or riding a Harley. No patter needed if you're decent looking and hooked up with a killer machine. No cheesy ass tapes or acronyms, either.

You want a pussy magnet, guys: get a real Harley, and ride around the small bars in your town. Making Small talk about bikes, biker chicks, partying, will ensue, and then the 'swooping' begins, just a biker term for picking up some good looking ass looking to hang with a tolerable 'bad boy.' 

Note: you can't do this riding a crotch rocket unless you want to date some skank who has an ass the size of a Chrysler and digs trashbags on sportsbikes.


Posted by: Pickin up Grannies at January 31, 2007 04:29 PM (LEtQ8)

14 Good point Entropy, the set they play in has certain aspects that allow for this. To go through life thinking that your woman is always "at risk " to being shagged by these kinds of guys is ridiculous. It assumes that all women are Pavlovian whores.

Posted by: mbruce at January 31, 2007 04:29 PM (LLCm9)

15 spend literally thousands of hours approaching groups of women you don't know ... interacting with women [is] a skill ...
OK, here he boils it down to something basic: Many guys (whom he would style "AFCs") are shy around women, almost to the point of outright fear. They don't know how to break the ice, and are afraid of rejection.

If RSD is about helping guys get over the mystery/fear syndrome -- teaching the "shotgun" approach that increases your odds of meeting someone -- then it's pointing in the right direction.

My objection is, as previously stated, that if tens of thousands of otherwise clueless dorks learn to run this kind of operation, you will encounter a diminishing-returns problem, and the tactics will no longer provide a competitive edge. At which point, you're right back to the looks/money dominance hierarchy, since all the rich good-looking guys will be playing the same game.

Fools ...

Posted by: Nordbuster at January 31, 2007 04:31 PM (jYT9+)

16 You want a pussy magnet, guys: get a real Harley

... and you, too, can have your pick of fine ladies like this one. Awww yeah.

Posted by: Al at January 31, 2007 04:47 PM (fgyj8)

17 Respect the cock.

Posted by: Frank T.J. Mackey at January 31, 2007 05:05 PM (Cpse7)

18 There are many better-looking "fine ladies" than that one in biker-babe land, but there are also many who look exactly like the one in the picture.

Posted by: cranky-d at January 31, 2007 05:25 PM (1O9mK)

19 I can't believe this video hasn't made it onto the frontpage of this moronblog:

Isaiah Washington Public Announcement Ad

Posted by: Editor at January 31, 2007 05:40 PM (RFgl8)

20 AL, you're a cruel man.

Posted by: Team Gore: Al Sr., Robert Sheets Byrd, Joe No Tar Here Biden at January 31, 2007 05:43 PM (LEtQ8)

21 That guy makes it sound like the MIT blackjack team from "breaking Vegas."

Posted by: JohnW at January 31, 2007 05:47 PM (Dc9q6)

22 It requires a major lifestyle shift in everything - it is cultlike in the sense that a lot of lifes decisions - including who you hang out with - run through the 'getting laid' filter.

You are little more than an insurance salesman, i.e., a pointless @sshole to everyone and everybody, with the difference that your 'commission' is quick pussy.

I'm not saying that's a bad thing, mind you. I'm just putting it in laymen's terms. So to speak.

Posted by: lauraw at January 31, 2007 05:59 PM (DbybK)

23

There ain't no formula for gettin' laid.


You talk to every chick you like, get to know them, buy them a drink or two, and invite them out.  How fuckin' hard is that?


Oh, and I forgot...the easiest way to get laid is to not try to get laid.


Posted by: otcconan at January 31, 2007 05:59 PM (aSXzD)

24 My objection is, as previously stated, that if tens of thousands of otherwise clueless dorks learn to run this kind of operation, you will encounter a diminishing-returns problem, and the tactics will no longer provide a competitive edge.

This is a good point.

And it's not just that. If SeattleRAFC actually believes what he's saying, then these women aren't actually attracted to him, they're attracted to the script that he's reciting. They're not fucking him, they're fucking the words someone else told him to say.

So after repeating the script for 20 hours a week for a couple of years, you've actually gotten someone to have sex with you? Congrats.

Now what? You can't run through the script again because she's already heard it. You can't talk to her, because the magic spell will be broken if you go off the script.

So she leaves, and you're back to peddling the same BS for 20 hours a week for a couple more years.

Look, if this stuff gives guys confidence to talk to women, then more power to their spikey haired, ribbed t-shirt wearing asses. But at some point, they're going to have to figure out how to actually talk to women themselves. Anything else is not just pathetic, it's utlimately futile.

Posted by: The Comish (sic) at January 31, 2007 06:04 PM (n8HhO)

25 These guys were apparently sued by a customer ... and they lost:

http://www.thundercatseductionlair.com/2005/06/rsd_lawsuit.html

Second, the instructors themselves did not display any kind of mastery that the itinerary outlines. The instructors could talk to women and get their attention, but that was the extent of their objective knowledge. Sometimes, while running their material, the people would simply be non-responsive and have confused looks on their faces. On the first night, we approached a group of one guy and two other girls. The instructor Owen (PKA TylerDurden) did manage to isolate the first girl while I interacted with the two friends. During that time, he was trying hard to convince her to come back to the house with us, using normal everyday, yet hopeless rhetoric. Given that this woman wasn't even very attractive, I was surprised to find us going home by ourselves.

Posted by: The Comish (sic) at January 31, 2007 06:14 PM (n8HhO)

26 But can the PUA compete with the Neo-Tech man? New-Tech is a new, scientific method for capturing major financial and personal advantages everywhere. Neo-Tech is a new knowledge that has nothing to do with positive thinking, religion, or anything mystical. Once a person is exposed to Neo-Tech, he can quietly profit from anyone -- anywhere, anytime. He can prosper almost anywhere on earth and succeed under almost any economic or political condition. Combined with Psychuous Sex, Neo-Tech applies to all money and power gathering techniques -- to all situations involving the transfer of money, power, or love. No one can spot the Neo-Tech man. The constant invisible advantages obtained by Neo-Tech appear completely natural yet are unbeatable. Neo-Tech puts one in the ultimate catbird seat.

Posted by: geoff at January 31, 2007 06:19 PM (RLGHA)

27 These guys were apparently sued by a customer ... and they lost

They should have seduced the judge.

Posted by: sandy burger at January 31, 2007 06:19 PM (cOUw0)

28 lauraw that was an excellent analogy. Do we have any prizes on this moronblog for excellent analogies?

Posted by: Sticky B at January 31, 2007 06:21 PM (wkjFE)

29 What I don't understand is why one of those internet billionaires hasn't started a baby farm...allow me to explain.

Said billionaire decides the best way to pass on his legacy is via spamming his genes. He then recruits 900 women from all over the world, and gets them preggers. The women then get a US$ 1 million trust fund...interest disbursed every year to the woman, and then once 18, the child.

The dude would have 900 kids scattered around the globe guaranteeing his genetic heritage.

Plus he gets to keep 100 million US dollars just for fun.

This is not an idea for every guy, but I thought at least one geek would go for it.

Posted by: Harun at January 31, 2007 06:23 PM (96Aly)

30 If these losers were smart, they'd realize that the best way to stop having to look for sex is to get married.

Then they wouldn't get laid every frickin' night of the week.

Posted by: a4g at January 31, 2007 06:23 PM (za38w)

31 Plus think of all the time and money you save from not having to read these PUA books.

Posted by: Harun at January 31, 2007 06:27 PM (96Aly)

32 Look, if this stuff gives guys confidence to talk to women, then more power to their spikey haired, ribbed t-shirt wearing asses.

Comish (sic), didn't you get the memo? It's striped shirts this year.

Look at my button down striped shirt! Fucking look at it! This shirt means one thing! I'm coming home with some pussy tonight! That's right! It's been a long week at the office and it's time to blow off a little steam! I am a Junior Vice President! I have business cards that say "Junior Vice President" on them! They're glossy and magnificent! Here! Have one! Take it!

My boys are coming out with me tonight! They all have striped shirts too!

I figure we'll kick off the night with some Golden Tee! I am going to smack the shit out of that little white ball! It's going to be so fucking loud! I'll bet I can drive that pretend golf ball 600 fucking yards tonight! I'm that fucking pumped!

[. . .]

I'm gonna grind on girls asses tonight! You heard me! When I see a group of girls dancing in a circle, I will select the most attractive one and dry hump her until it hurts! I will rub my cock against her so that she can feel my throbbing hard on!

(etc., etc.)
.

Posted by: Alex at January 31, 2007 06:28 PM (fgyj8)

33 This part cracks me up.

AFC = Average Frustrated Chump. In other words, you or anybody else who lets the women choose them instead of vice versa. Be honest, did you choose your SO or did you just sort of accept her as the best you could do - in other words let her choose you?

The men never really do the choosing. Don't kid yourself.

Posted by: lauraw at January 31, 2007 06:32 PM (DbybK)

34 This whole thing is creeping me out.  I followed the comish's link and discovered an entire world with which I'm thankfully unfamiliar. 

Posted by: toby928 at January 31, 2007 06:35 PM (PD1tk)

35 Fucking pathetic, all the cheesedicks that never got laid in high school or college. Here's a clue, do some fucking sit ups, put down the skull bong and take a fucking shower.

Posted by: carl hungus at January 31, 2007 06:37 PM (bWkaR)

36 skull bong

heh.  I had one of those.  Good times.

Posted by: toby928 at January 31, 2007 06:39 PM (PD1tk)

37 The great thing about these PUAs is how easily you can screw with their game if you recognize it in action. Most of them are not naturally confident guys to begin with and when you get them off script their awkwardness begins to show. You become kind of like Penn & Teller to their amateur magician act. The Amazing Randi to their Jon Edwards.

Like a previous commenter mentioned, a lot of these women are at pick-up bars for a reason. The seduction techniques work on these women (not all, but alot). Here's the fun part though. You can go up to these women and explain what is happening/just happened to them and almost repeat word for word what the PUA said and how they worked. Done right you can replace the PUA with yourself, or, and this is a lot more fun, you can get them to screw with the PUA for the enjoyment of all.

Posted by: Allen at January 31, 2007 06:52 PM (RBmhU)

38 So there aren't any Tom Leykis fans here?

I think the sad thing is that it is necessary to play games w/ at least a large minority of the women in this country in order to date. Go outside of the U.S. and just be a nice guy and it is very easy to find a sane girlfriend.

Posted by: Bill C at January 31, 2007 06:56 PM (rIxPA)

39 I used to work with a guy like this.  We spent some time in CA together for a conference once and I watched him work his magic.  Long story short, the chick he was working on left, and he actually followed her out to the street and begged her to come back after she dropped her friend off at home.  It was pathetic.  As we were walking back to the hotel, I asked him if he really enjoyed being such an unbelievably sad and whiny skeeve.  He said that it works and he gets laid, so what the hell? 

To my surprise, when I went to his room the next morning to head out to work, she was just leaving.  She came back.  I couldn't tell who was more pitiable.

By the way, he's about 45 and still lives in his mom's basement, cause that way he saves his money for "sbaggin' the ladies."   What a playa, huh?

[shudder]

Posted by: wiserbud at January 31, 2007 07:01 PM (56ssE)

40 The men never really do the choosing. Don't kid yourself.

Yes we do.

We're just not very picky.

Posted by: Entropy at January 31, 2007 07:03 PM (Uh5fR)

41 Go outside of the U.S. and just be a nice guy and it is very easy to find a sane girlfriend.

Honest to goodness, that's my contingency plan.

At some point when I hit a certain age and accumulate a certain wealth I'm just going to head to Russia or some other godforsaken place where people are poor as dirt. From what I understand, alot of the women rural Russia consider you quite a catch if you just don't beat them.

There's still some incentive to get married in some places, so people are willign to find someone, settle, and work at it. As opposed to all these people who say you have to find the perfect man/women who doesn't exist. They don't have 50% divorce rates or 33% infidelity rates. And not as many airhead bimbos and feminist types.

I saw some chick on Fox News pushing a book titled "Don't Settle, Select", who turned down 3 marriage offers from millionares or something.

Of course she was still single. I'd like to see her 'select' the 'right man' and then write the book. This chick is gonna be 50, then the proposals will dry up, and she'll be a lonely spinster who has to live in denial and pretend like it's what she wanted. She will become Maureen Dowd.

Posted by: Entropy at January 31, 2007 07:16 PM (Uh5fR)

42 Honest to goodness, that's my contingency plan.

At some point when I hit a certain age and accumulate a certain wealth I'm just going to head to Russia or some other godforsaken place where people are poor as dirt. From what I understand, alot of the women rural Russia consider you quite a catch if you just don't beat them.


I did it. My wife is 23 and I am 39. She is a beautiful Russian girl I meet in Moscow 3 years ago when I was living there. We expect our first child in four months and I am ecstatically happy. We were just on vacation in the Dominican Republic where we ran into another AM/RW couple. He confirmed my experience. Russian women don't hold grudges like American women.

Of course, I still smack her around a little to remind her of home.

Posted by: at January 31, 2007 07:49 PM (rIxPA)

43 Whoops, that last post was me.

Posted by: Bill C at January 31, 2007 07:50 PM (rIxPA)

44

31 If these losers were smart, they'd realize that the best way to stop having to look for sex is to get married.

Then they wouldn't get laid every frickin' night of the week.


Hehe.  This reminds me of an old cartoon from Playboy.  Man and woman at the altar getting married.  Thought balloon over his head says "Great...now I can have sex every night!"  Thought balloon over hers says "Great!  Now I never have to have sex again!"


Posted by: otcconan at January 31, 2007 08:08 PM (aSXzD)

45 Women need a reason to have sex.

Men just need a place.

Posted by: Drumwaster at January 31, 2007 08:34 PM (OCLVR)

46 Wiserbud's story reminded me of Will Ferrel in the Wedding Crashers. He picked up chicks at Funerals!

I liked that movie.

Posted by: Bart at January 31, 2007 09:01 PM (0ZcqB)

47 I've actually met and gone out sarging with a few of the guys mentioned in "The Game". Contrary to corn and some other posters, they are in fact the real deal and they're not scummy or sleazy at all, and their skills aren't just using canned lines on drunk girls. Any of the women that they talked to would have described them as cool, fun, confident guys, and that's because they were. Some of them weren't handsome in a conventional way, but they were all well dressed with their own stylish flair.

They were also very knowledgable about women - what their atraction triggers are, how to read their body language, what their achetypal fantasies are, female group dynamics, and how to test for physical attraction. And this wasn't in a demeaning or hateful way, they just really 'got' women. This didn't just happen though, they had to spend (a lot of) time studying women and female behavior.

One impressive skill they had was that they could walk into a bar or coffee shop, scan all the women there, and immediately call out which ones were available (or not), and tell if a guy with a girl was a boyfriend, just a friend, or some guy she just met. When we talked to a group of girls or a couple, the situation was almost always what they had called earlier (wedding rings or not). With some experience, I've gotten to the point now where I can fairly reliably read a woman's status by her body language, positioning, interactions, touching, etc. It's not hard - you just have to become attuned to subtle signs that most guys are unaware of.

Pickup lines are actually a running joke among real pickup artists, because the truth is that a guy who's good can say *anything* (even names from the telephone book) and get a good response, while the best line ever will fail in the hands of guy who's not confident. Most of the power of a pickup comes from body language, voice intonation, confidence, and attitude. What you say is actually the least important. But guys tend to focus on this because it's easy to learn, whereas the things that matter require real effort to become good at.

Oh and it's not all about picking up drunk chicks at a club - the same skills will work nearly anywhere and anytime. I've had some of my best pick ups in malls, at Walgreens, coffeshops, and just on the street. You'd be amazed at how effective it is to just walk up to a cute girl someplace and tell her that you saw her and she was so cute that you just had to talk to her. Even if she's not that into you, she'll still smile and you've made her day. I have yet to get a bad response from this. In fact this is how I met my last girlfriend as well as my current one. Before I met real pickup artists, I never would have had the guts to do this.

Posted by: Maetenloch at February 01, 2007 01:48 AM (sXF8s)

48 So Sad!

http://www.lickmyclonton.com/

Posted by: farrelley at February 01, 2007 03:00 AM (k6Wnd)

49 Also I forgot to mention that in the pickup community, Real Social Dynamics (RSD) has a somewhat sketchy reputation. They tend to be insular and have some cult-like characteristics. The guys I've talked to who have gone through their programs weren't that impressed. The main complaint was that RSD classes were large and spent a lot of time on theory. They seem to have a one size fits all approach where everyone got the same lines, stacks, and techniques before heading off to the clubs. For some guys this works, but for others it doesn't.

If anyone's interested, there are other groups teaching pickup that have excellent reputations. The two that I'm most familiar with are Mystery Method and Pickup101. Since I live in the Bay area, I've met and hung out with the guys from Pickup101 and can personally vouch for them. They're all very good at pickup and are also really cool guys who care about their students. Their focus is on small classes with a lot of practical exercises, and helping students find a individual style that matches their personalities. Pickup101 is probably the best place for the average guy who's not a clubber-type. Mystery method is different, but complementary. They focus more on bar/club situations, and on picking up 9's, 10's and supermodels. You can check out reviews for the different groups here.

Posted by: Maetenloch at February 01, 2007 03:16 AM (sXF8s)

50 OK, here he boils it down to something basic: Many guys (whom he would style "AFCs") are shy around women, almost to the point of outright fear. They don't know how to break the ice, and are afraid of rejection.

If RSD is about helping guys get over the mystery/fear syndrome -- teaching the "shotgun" approach that increases your odds of meeting someone -- then it's pointing in the right direction.

My objection is, as previously stated, that if tens of thousands of otherwise clueless dorks learn to run this kind of operation, you will encounter a diminishing-returns problem, and the tactics will no longer provide a competitive edge.

I disagree after the 60's men were told be wimpy be caring, worship women, etc. This has resulted in the world we have today. With men cut off from their masculine side and the result is that both men and women 'settle'

(Men should have access to both their sides not just what the media tells them to have/behaive)

If the skills spread I don't think it will ruin "The Game" instead it will improve dating for everyone.

Posted by: advfs at February 01, 2007 03:40 AM (LWcBz)

51 Feh - no matter how you dress it up, the obsessive pursuit of meaningless sex screams 'LOSER'.
You are embarrassments to your gender and your species.

Posted by: Barbula at February 01, 2007 03:44 AM (zf6OM)

52

What a bunch of punks. A gentleman would never broadcast such advice because by enabling every douchebag on the planet to play The Game, you thereby ruin The Game.


The first rule of Fight Club is - you do not talk about Fight Club. The second rule of Fight Club is - you DO NOT talk about Fight Club.


Posted by: Steve L. at February 01, 2007 03:50 AM (c/Cy9)

53 I just farted

Posted by: fart at February 01, 2007 05:21 AM (/4dTn)

54 Let's assume that this stuff actually works. So what? Who wants to live there life this way?

Posted by: Great Banana at February 01, 2007 05:45 AM (JFj6P)

55 I'm glad I'm married and happy, and not some lame nerd who uses manipulation to pick-up desporate women for a night of meaningless fluid exchanges. And then brags about it, not realizing how pathetic and unconfident how that alone makes him look. NOBODY likes a braggert. Why do you act this way, because you fell in love with a girl once in college, and she dumped you because of the loser you ARE? Be a man and grow up, for cripes sake!

Posted by: T-Bone at February 01, 2007 05:50 AM (AQj/2)

56 I read "The Game" just a couple weeks ago and I enjoyed it. It's a fairly conservative book; it more or less concludes that the pickup artists -- though they initially benefited from the huge confidence boost of the pickups -- were in the long run screwing up their lives even worse, and the compulsive sex was ultimately unrewarding and often harmful to one or both parties involved.

Posted by: Guy T. at February 01, 2007 05:50 AM (j02xJ)

57 "These guys are awkward geeks who have learnt how to be arrogant Casanovas. Outside their routines, they are now arrogant geeks. Not a nice mix."

Posted by: at February 01, 2007 06:04 AM (AQj/2)

58 Picking up girls in the 90's and in the new millenium? Color me unimpressed. Just asked the 8th grade wanker who has given more girls reasons to wear color bracelets than a Grateful Dead concert.

Its not the change of attitude of the picker. Its the change of attitude of the pickee. Easy pick'ns as they say.

Posted by: roc ingersol at February 01, 2007 06:21 AM (m2CN7)

59

Its also scary shit - you come to the realization that any given woman can be seduced in about 10 hours if the seducer is sufficiently skilled


This is "scary" how?


You sound like a 22 year old douchebag anyway.


Posted by: Jay at February 01, 2007 06:30 AM (VZ0Yh)

60 These pathetic little turds remind me of someone. 

Posted by: wiserbud at February 01, 2007 06:50 AM (1tlBF)

61

Relationships aren't supposed to be a science. You're supposed to stumble around stupidly, subtly scaring each other until you either break up, or get married and continue to subtly scar each other well into old age.


Posted by: DKShideler at February 01, 2007 06:51 AM (mpdt4)

62 I wonder if you get to wear different coloured belts as you progress from AFC to PUA?

www.darwinsmoustache.com

Posted by: at February 01, 2007 06:51 AM (vLNLO)

63 maetenloch

"even lines from a telephone book"

please, spare us the inside cover review...

hey baby...
jason owen
patricicia owings
pat's ox farm
....

oooh. i want you so bad.

Posted by: carl carlson at February 01, 2007 06:51 AM (bTQVB)

64 Sorry, going around teling people you can get laid anytime and "pcik-up any chick" makes you sound like an overcompensating a-hole; dropping a bunch of acronyms in there to describe your "method" just makes you sound like a complete dork.

Posted by: corn at February 01, 2007 07:08 AM (ManYf)

65 "with their own stylish flair"


Did I really just read those words? Did that really happen?

Posted by: ArrMatey at February 01, 2007 07:17 AM (Th77e)

66 Peter Gibbons: Let me ask you something. When you come in and read the moronblog, and you're not really paying attention, does anyone ever say to you, 'Some of them weren't handsome in a conventional way, but they were all well dressed with their own stylish flair'?
Lawrence: No. No, man. Shit, no, man. I believe you'd get your ass kicked sayin' something like that, man.

Posted by: ArrMatey at February 01, 2007 07:23 AM (Th77e)

67 Yeah, you read those words. And yes, they were about as interesting as a late-night info-mercial with a washed up celebrity hawking commercial grade home gerbil mashers, and both matenloch and seattle sound terminally pathetic.

Seattle, matenloch, here's some advice: when you go into such detail about a subject like that you sound like you are desperately in need of reassurance, you do not sound like the "master of the universe before whom all women swoon and spread their legs" that you think you do.

Now for gaia's sake (and the sake of our stomachs) will you please try to grow up and become that most rare of beings, a man? Please note that a 'man' is indeed different from 'a human male'.

Posted by: Mikey NTH at February 01, 2007 07:46 AM (O9Cc8)

68 Eventually it will all be worked out via natural selection and demographic trends. Eventually we will all be Mormon.

Posted by: rho at February 01, 2007 07:47 AM (aLDBr)

69 I just farted again

Posted by: fart at February 01, 2007 08:47 AM (fok0e)

70 Ok, ArrMatey, fair enough. Yep, I really said that and I wasn't even drunk when I did. And yes Lawrence would kick my ass for it. :-) Doesn't mean it's not true though.

I think people are confused about what a pickup is. It's not manipulating a woman into sleeping with you. I consider a successful pickup to be approaching a woman and getting her phone number and/or setting up a first date. That's it. This may lead to sex, a relationship or even marriage. It's nothing that men and women haven't been doing for eons. I believe in womanspeak it's called "meeting someone".

I wrote so much because this is something I have an interest in and happen to have some firsthand knowledge about. If it bores you, just press the PageDown key and move on. Being (more) attractive to woman is not magic - it's just a set of skills that anyone can learn if they're willing to work at it. Like any skill, it can be used for evil or good and some guys use it to use and manipulate women, but there have always been jerky guys like that. Other guys get so caught in the lifestyle that their entire world revolves just around picking up women. That was one of the points made in the "The Game". For most guys, it's ultimately about having more opportunities to meet and date cool, attractive women. The woman of your dreams could be next to you in line at Safeway tomorrow - would you even know how to chat her up on the spot. Why not tilt fate slightly in your favor?

Posted by: Maetenloch at February 01, 2007 09:56 AM (sXF8s)

71 Too bad it seems most "PUAs" just focus on fucking and one night stands, their souls are as empty as the sluts they fuck.

Posted by: Heinlein is correct at February 01, 2007 10:29 AM (AQj/2)

72 Maetenloch--

   There's a certain arrogance in believing you know how to tilt fate so that it's in your favor. You can make yourself superficially more attractive to woman, no doubt, and you can widen the field of "cool, attractive women" that might hook up with you, but be aware that you're talking superficially cool, attractive women.

   You'll also be turning off a particular type of woman: The type that calls bullshit for what it is.

Posted by: moviegique at February 01, 2007 10:39 AM (HScxl)

73 They focus more on bar/club situations, and on picking up 9's, 10's and supermodels.

Heh.  Don't we all brother, don't we all.

Tob

Posted by: Toby928 at February 01, 2007 11:00 AM (ATbKm)

74 You'll also be turning off a particular type of woman: The type that calls bullshit for what it is.I think the idea here is not that you bamboozle somebody and she winds up confused enough to sleep with you. Rather, you want to:
(1) be a cool, attractive person
(2) be able to convey the fact that you're a cool, attractive person

If a lot of guys fall down on (2), which seems like a fair assumption, then improving your abilities there can tilt "fate" in your favor without anything nefarious going on.

Posted by: Anon at February 01, 2007 11:21 AM (pKWt0)

75

Being (more) attractive to woman is not magic - it's just a set of skills that anyone can learn if they're willing to work at it.


Hilarious.


Yes, it's called "getting older."


The delusion people walk around in is comical and scary.


Posted by: Jay at February 01, 2007 11:37 AM (VZ0Yh)

76 The Game isn't the book that teaches you the skills.

The Game is the book that teaches you that the skills exist and that anyone can learn them.

Its up to you whether you do or not.

I welcome all you denigrators to my skills.

more chicks for me.

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