September 29, 2015

Taliban Re-Takes Key Northern City of Kunduz
— Ace

Obama is due to tell the Taliban that they're "isolated" and on "the side of the past."

They were joined by terrorist allies.

The Taliban have overrun the northern Afghan city of Kunduz, taking control of most areas and freeing hundreds of prisoners from its jail.

Hundreds of militants stormed the city before dawn, quickly seizing key buildings and advancing on the airport.

Obama did not come to end wars; he came to lose them.

He came to teach us all a lesson about American impotency.

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1 1st

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 08:11 AM (AkOaV)

2 yay

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 08:11 AM (AkOaV)

3 But have the sea levels begun to recede?

Posted by: Furious George at September 29, 2015 08:11 AM (UlJ3l)

4 Thanks, Obama!

Posted by: Tollybon at September 29, 2015 08:12 AM (1DH1V)

5 That Peace Prize though. Such nobility. *sighs, and facepalms*

Posted by: Toastrider at September 29, 2015 08:12 AM (MbjKe)

6 It sucks when the leader of the free world is a pussy.

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 29, 2015 08:13 AM (AC0lD)

7 Eliminating the Taliban is the "good war."

Posted by: Every Democrat in 2008 at September 29, 2015 08:13 AM (UlJ3l)

8 Small-time Honolulu drug pusher with daddy issues totals yet another country?

Shocking.

Posted by: Mortimer [/i][/b] at September 29, 2015 08:13 AM (0dcbp)

9 The latest update on this city is that gov forces with aid from US airstrikes was battling to retake this city.

Posted by: Vic[/i]-we have no party at September 29, 2015 08:13 AM (t2KH5)

10 He came to teach us all a lesson about American impotency. mission accomplished

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 08:13 AM (zOTsN)

11 Posted by: Vic-we have no party at September 29, 2015 01:13 PM (t2KH5) I'm sure we'll do just as well with airstrikes in Afghanistan against Sunni jihadists as we've been doing in Iraq and Syria.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 08:14 AM (AkOaV)

12 OT - A few Finn M39's available at Classic. I just bagged one, though not fast enough to get a Sako, or even a hand-select one. https://www.classicfirearms.com/finnish-m39-mosin-nagant-rifle-762x54r

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 29, 2015 08:14 AM (rwI+c)

13 "Obama did not come to end wars; he came to lose them." That's a feature, not a bug. Have I told you lately how much I despise this administration?

Posted by: locomotivebreath1901 at September 29, 2015 08:14 AM (fREJj)

14 The only thing impotent about America is our current political class.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 29, 2015 08:14 AM (wtvvX)

15 We couldn't be sure that pax Americana was really a thing until we quit and watched what happened. So. Good news! We really did used to be awesome.

Posted by: TexasDan at September 29, 2015 08:14 AM (FRYk4)

16 The future does not belong to those who slander the prophet of islam.

Posted by: President Fubar at September 29, 2015 08:14 AM (1DH1V)

17 At prep school, the JV team regularly kicked my varsity ass.

Posted by: Presn't Obama at September 29, 2015 08:14 AM (VAsIq)

18 It's hardly a surprise. We would be better served by someone like Rand Paul, who would oppose going into places like Afghanistan, than by half-hearted Barack.

Posted by: notsothoreau at September 29, 2015 08:14 AM (5HBd1)

19 Nuclear annihilation across the globe. This is what a German reporter who successfully embedded with the Islamic State says the terror group is planning. Jurgen Todenhofer released his findings in a book titled "Inside IS - Ten Days in the Islamic State," reports the UK's Daily Express.

"The terrorists plan on killing several hundred million people. The west is drastically underestimating the power of ISIS. ISIS intends to get its hands on nuclear weapons," says Todenhofer, calling the group a "nuclear tsunami preparing the largest religious cleansing in history."

Posted by: Debbie Weaselwords Schultz at September 29, 2015 08:15 AM (e8kgV)

20

He came to teach us all a lesson about American impotency.


Deliberate surrender is hardly a measure of impotency.

Posted by: Pappy O'Daniel at September 29, 2015 08:15 AM (oVJmc)

21 its very hard to see how will will regain our standing and our dominance in the world after the JEF leaves office it is very very hard to regain trust

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 08:15 AM (zOTsN)

22 If we don't continue spending $700B a year on the military, the Taliban will take over cities. Oh wait....we already do spend that money and still this happens. Solution: double the military of course!!

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 29, 2015 08:15 AM (0LHZx)

23 Twenty posts and no one has mentioned Joey Buttafoucco. This displeases me.

Posted by: Countrysquire, feeling reasonably fresh down there at September 29, 2015 08:16 AM (eEBON)

24 It's too bad we can't get rid of him. Nixon is a saint compared to TFG.

Posted by: Carol at September 29, 2015 08:16 AM (sj3Ax)

25 Afghanistan has turned into a quagmire.

Posted by: R.W. Apple, Jr., in 2001 at September 29, 2015 08:16 AM (UlJ3l)

26 6 It sucks when the leader of the free world is a pussy. Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 29, 2015 01:13 PM (AC0lD) It sucks even more when his "opposition" consists of pols who are even bigger pussies.

Posted by: Donna and V. (sans ampersands) at September 29, 2015 08:16 AM (u0lmX)

27 Hold my beer and watch this!

Posted by: Barack Obama at September 29, 2015 08:16 AM (W5DcG)

28 Is there going to be a press conference by President Azzhole Obama ?

Posted by: Kathleen Syphilis at September 29, 2015 08:17 AM (e8kgV)

29 Didn't Obama (and Hillary?) have the Taliban taken off the list of terrorist organizations so that they could negotiate with them? The US has been "working" with the Taliban for a few years, at least in Obama's mind. I have no idea what that "work" includes. Prisoner swaps, at minimum, right? We released those 5 Taliban baddies for Bergdahl, and likely released others on the sly.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at September 29, 2015 08:17 AM (NOIQH)

30 Solution: double the military of course!!
Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 29, 2015 01:15 PM (0LHZx)


Promote this man.

Posted by: President Fubar at September 29, 2015 08:17 AM (1DH1V)

31 and sold-out.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 29, 2015 08:17 AM (rwI+c)

32 Obama believes that he can transcend wars through a wiser, more enlightened foreign policy that eliminates the reasons for war. He believes that NASA promoting Muslim scientists will move them beyond their backward ways. He believes that not being mean to Muslims by fighting back will cause them to stop hating us. He believes that by showing kindness and being peaceful, people will respond with the same. Except against conservatives, then the kid gloves come off.

Posted by: Farva at September 29, 2015 08:17 AM (39g3+)

33

My heart goes out to those moms and dads, wives and kids, of those we sent to Afghanistan for ...... this.  For this.




If you aren't prepared to win, please just keep them home.  Otherwise all it is, is a mockery of their sacrifice.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at September 29, 2015 08:17 AM (dFi94)

34 By the way, Boss. This is crystalline: "He came to teach us all a lesson about American impotency."

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 29, 2015 08:18 AM (rwI+c)

35 So does this mean more or less child rape in Kunduz?

Posted by: 18-1 at September 29, 2015 08:18 AM (5LOno)

36 Are you not entertained?

Posted by: Barack "Gladiator" Obama at September 29, 2015 08:19 AM (DlmoZ)

37 Hate to think what our great military and the families of those lost on the battlefields of Afghanistan and Iraq feel right now. Meanwhile, our stuttering Baroque Won poses at UN. I am sure he has feed to his brain-chip by Valjar: "Barry, look stern right not for the cameras...it is not time to chew your Nicorette and doodle Barry luvs Reggie on you napkin." and "Barry, give him your GOP laser glare." Or, "Barry, look intelligent." (this is the funniest to me). Putin kicks his sorry behind just by appearing. What a loser is our Preznit.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at September 29, 2015 08:19 AM (LJ4iV)

38 Make those smelly, halfwitted imbeciles with rocket launchers give me back my jersey.

Posted by: Kobe Bryant at September 29, 2015 08:19 AM (UlJ3l)

39 Big Deal!

Posted by: Detroit at September 29, 2015 08:19 AM (Iwn52)

40 Aaaaand the Mosin's are out of stock.

I just don't have a use for one, but I'm happy for people who wanted one and got it.

Posted by: Chupacabras at September 29, 2015 08:19 AM (XiVKO)

41 "The terrorists plan on killing several hundred million people. The west is drastically underestimating the power of ISIS. ISIS intends to get its hands on nuclear weapons," says Todenhofer, calling the group a "nuclear tsunami preparing the largest religious cleansing in history." Wow.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at September 29, 2015 08:19 AM (NOIQH)

42 The only war they seem to be willing to fight is the war on poverty.  And they've been getting their butts kicked in that one.

Posted by: Mike at September 29, 2015 08:19 AM (ISxUB)

43 #HandUpWeSurrender

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at September 29, 2015 08:19 AM (UhRGU)

44 So does this mean more or less child rape in Kunduz? Posted by: 18-1 More rape, but ultimately fewer children.

Posted by: Presn't Obama at September 29, 2015 08:19 AM (VAsIq)

45 If you aren't prepared to win, please just keep them home. Otherwise all it is, is a mockery of their sacrifice. *** And as we've seen every democrat president since Johnson (at least) has been perfectly fine losing wars if it helps their poll numbers at home...

Posted by: 18-1 at September 29, 2015 08:20 AM (5LOno)

46 One upside. Perhaps the "moderates" are too pusillanimous and coddled by us. Thiss will teach them some self reiance, should they choose not to move to Germany.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 29, 2015 08:20 AM (1Zmfg)

47 I'm with Grammie Winger on this. I am weary of people who do not send their sons to war telling us to fight, like Graham. If you are not willing to annihilate the enemy, and break them, dont go

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 08:20 AM (zOTsN)

48

I know a mom who lost her only son in Afghanistan. Sometimes I don't even have the words for a conversation with her.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at September 29, 2015 08:20 AM (dFi94)

49 He released another one from GITMO in past week or so, Osama's bodyguard. Probably one of many bodyguards.

Posted by: Carol at September 29, 2015 08:21 AM (sj3Ax)

50 "Nobel Peace Prize update."

Posted by: Randy Westerfeld at September 29, 2015 08:21 AM (zp6Kj)

51 Countrysquire,

Have your knees healed?

Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn at September 29, 2015 08:21 AM (UhRGU)

52 Putin kicks his sorry behind just by appearing. What a loser is our Preznit. That UN take-down by Putin was pretty epic.... Does Obama not see what a complete and utter failure He is? No, He doesn't.... The media keeps propping up Mr. pantywaist..... Makes me sick...

Posted by: donna at September 29, 2015 08:21 AM (hUdMz)

53 >>The only war they seem to be willing to fight is the war on poverty. And they've been getting their butts kicked in that one. Climate change. They only pick wars in which they can never win, providing them the opportunity to continue to spend money, enact more policy to "fix" them. The policy equivalent of the "everlasting gobstopper."

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at September 29, 2015 08:21 AM (NOIQH)

54 If you aren't prepared to win, please just keep them home. Otherwise all it is, is a mockery of their sacrifice. Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree It's almost as if they had forgotten about Korea and Viet Nam.

Posted by: Bertram Cabot Jr. at September 29, 2015 08:21 AM (W5DcG)

55 either we are in an existential battle, or we aren't

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 08:21 AM (zOTsN)

56 If you aren't prepared to win, please just keep them home. Otherwise all it is, is a mockery of their sacrifice. The problem is, with America, you can go in to win, do well, then have the country turn against you and vote in a man who will sabotage it all and try to lose.

Posted by: Farva at September 29, 2015 08:21 AM (39g3+)

57 No worries. Hillary will teach us all a lesson about America's potency. In coffee rooms with interns. Or sleeping while assistants watch so she doesn't die. Either way.

Posted by: Walter Freeman at September 29, 2015 08:21 AM (kqGWM)

58 If you are not willing to annihilate the enemy, and break them, dont go Posted by: ThunderB I will break them.

Posted by: Ivan Drago at September 29, 2015 08:21 AM (VAsIq)

59 "it is very very hard to regain trust" The Pakistani doctor who languishes in Paki prison after giving up OBL agrees.

Posted by: navybrat at September 29, 2015 08:22 AM (ETxiG)

60 I know a mom who lost her only son in Afghanistan. Sometimes I don't even have the words for a conversation with her. A Friend of mines only Child was killed in Iraq..... There are no words...

Posted by: donna at September 29, 2015 08:22 AM (hUdMz)

61 Losing a war is a valid way of ending it.

Posted by: imp at September 29, 2015 08:22 AM (T4Aju)

62 Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about the Taliban. They are brutal men. Euthless men. Men who butcher their own people to secure their own power.... The world, and the Afghani people, would be better off without they.

But I also know that Taliban poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to their neighbors...and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty religious fanatics, they fall away into the dustbin of history.

Posted by: President Barack "Unexpectedly" Obama at September 29, 2015 08:23 AM (e8kgV)

63 One trick pony Palin Steele.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 29, 2015 08:23 AM (rwI+c)

64 "But how did it actually turn out? Rather than bringing about reforms, an aggressive foreign interference has resulted in a brazen destruction of national institutions and the lifestyle itself. Instead of the triumph of democracy and progress, we got violence, poverty and social disaster. Nobody cares a bit about human rights, including the right to life.

I cannot help asking those who have caused the situation, do you realize now what you've done? But I am afraid no one is going to answer that. Indeed, policies based on self-conceit and belief in one's exceptionality and impunity have never been abandoned."


And then our dear leader gets schooled by Putin at the UN.  Putin - of all people shaming us - and the sad thing is - he's right.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at September 29, 2015 08:23 AM (DlmoZ)

65 Unfortunately I don't think we are going to be able to make a course correction away from Smart Diplomacy which has started us down the path of a nuclear arms race in the Middle East; we're about to find out what Loose Emails Hillary can do or Biden Uncensored.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube river guide at September 29, 2015 08:23 AM (mcm0N)

66 Countrysquire, Have your knees healed? Posted by: Foghorn Leghorn ________________________________________________ Not well, but fortunately I sit on my ass all day.

Posted by: Countrysquire, feeling reasonably fresh down there at September 29, 2015 08:24 AM (eEBON)

67 Unless they are willing to stand up for themselves, Afghanistan doesn't stand a testicle's chance in my underwear of resisting the Taliban.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 29, 2015 08:24 AM (1Zmfg)

68 One trick pony --- Nay!

Posted by: Mr. Ed at September 29, 2015 08:24 AM (VAsIq)

69 This is not Presdent Obama's fault. Bush statrted this illegal war and this result is due to his incompetent plan, outright lying to the UN Secvurity Council, and his Startegic vision for SWA. We are proud of Presdent Obama and everything he has accomplished with respect to Gay and Lesbian Rights in Afghanistien. We love you and keep up the good work, Sir.

Posted by: Mary Clogginstein from Brattleboro, VT at September 29, 2015 08:24 AM (EIFYf)

70 >>calling the group a "nuclear tsunami preparing the largest religious cleansing in history." Tsunami? Send in the Red Cross!

Posted by: JackStraw at September 29, 2015 08:24 AM (OGm46)

71 . I am weary of people who do not send their sons to war telling us to fight, like Graham. ThunderB, that's not fair. Graham can't send his sons to war. He would have to have sex with a woman first.

Posted by: imp at September 29, 2015 08:24 AM (T4Aju)

72 "They will not be defeated by guns and bombs, but by better ideas."  Barack Hussein Obama


Well,  show us your better ideas, mack.

Otherwise, guns and bombs will have to do this week, if we want to defeat the Islamic barbarians.

And yes, if we are not going to finish the job, don't ask our brave young men to risk their lives over a half-assed effort that will be given away in the next election cycle.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at September 29, 2015 08:24 AM (RFeQD)

73

I wanted to post something snarky, like, "I want to invent a time machine so I can go into the future and see what history says about Obama."

 

Then I began to wonder, given ISIS's nuclear ambitions and his inability to stop them, if there would even be a future.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at September 29, 2015 08:24 AM (WDCYi)

74 Colonel Ralph Peters is right.

Obama is has made the USA the "JayVees".

Posted by: Randy Westerfeld at September 29, 2015 08:25 AM (zp6Kj)

75 67 Unless they are willing to stand up for themselves, Afghanistan doesn't stand a testicle's chance in my underwear of resisting the Taliban. Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 29, 2015 01:24 PM (1Zmfg) They don't want to resist the Taliban. At least, not enough of them do. Just keep this poll in mind: http://tinyurl.com/o3szjj9 99% of Afghanis are in favor of Sharia law being the law of the land.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 08:25 AM (AkOaV)

76 I don't think we are going to be able to make a course correction away from Smart Diplomacy I think there's a way, but we'll not see a situation where we have a culture that would support or a president who would carry it out any time soon.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 29, 2015 08:25 AM (39g3+)

77 10 years of foreign policy recovery for every year this jackwagon is in office.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at September 29, 2015 08:25 AM (7Va8e)

78 reminds me of Melissa Francis, on Fox. Nice gal. Was saying how we need to go to war in the ME again (I know, we are still there). Very passionately saying we should go to war Someone asked her if she would send her son when he was old enough. She honestly answered no and then started to cry. Dont tell me to go to war unless you have some skin in the game

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 08:25 AM (zOTsN)

79 He came to teach us all a lesson about American impotency. Take a blue pill barky. Not everyone suffers from that.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 29, 2015 08:25 AM (QlyN5)

80 They will not be defeated by guns and bombs, but by better ideas. In many ways, guns and bombs *are* the better ideas. We are ruled by profoundly silly people.

Posted by: Grump928(C) at September 29, 2015 08:26 AM (rwI+c)

81 >>Rather than bringing about reforms, an aggressive foreign interference has resulted in a brazen destruction of national institutions and the lifestyle itself. Instead of the triumph of democracy and progress, we got violence, poverty and social disaster. Nobody cares a bit about human rights, including the right to life. So Putin was talking about Ukraine?

Posted by: JackStraw at September 29, 2015 08:26 AM (OGm46)

82 He came to teach us all a lesson about American impotency. "Well, if I'm a gonna' BE impotent, I'm a gonna' LOOK impotent!"

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 29, 2015 08:26 AM (5buP8)

83 We are ruled by profoundly silly people. Dangerously stupid people

Posted by: donna at September 29, 2015 08:26 AM (hUdMz)

84 I think everything except posing at a bath house or eating shaved ice is above this poot-head's pay grade. I would feel better with anyone as president vs this posing facial mole. 478 more days, my flying monkeys. He is clueless on foreign policy and domestic issues. Does not care. Only wants to be a stand up comedian who golfs (he is not witty, as it takes intelligence to have a sense of humor, people laugh so they are not called raciss).

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at September 29, 2015 08:27 AM (LJ4iV)

85 And Jack, I know I posted that poll -- but lets not talk about Dubai. Let's leave that in the last thread, k?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 08:27 AM (AkOaV)

86 Obama=FUCKING LOSER

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 29, 2015 08:27 AM (9mTYi)

87 sucks when the leader of the free world is a pussy. Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 29, 2015 01:13 PM (AC0lD) ---------------------- No. It sucks when the leader of the Free World wants to destroy the Free World. For the last seven years it's been a blatant dismantling of everything millions have died and worked hard for. People are fools if they think this is just the result of stupidity.

Posted by: Soona at September 29, 2015 08:27 AM (Fmupd)

88 Maybe if we weren't helping boy rapists, the local population would trust us more. This is all such a mess. I wish we would wage wars to win instead of not outrage.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 29, 2015 08:27 AM (WlG0e)

89 "They will not be defeated by guns and bombs, but by better ideas." Barack Hussein Obama Well, show us your better ideas, mack. Posted by: Bossy Conservative Ideas? Did you not see who I made the new Secretary of the Army? Haven't you seen the reports that my top brass have "fudged" the tests to allow more women to join? I'm trying to get the guns to be prettier--maybe pink?--to improve morale.

Posted by: Pres'nt Obama at September 29, 2015 08:27 AM (VAsIq)

90 Nuclear annihilation across the globe. This is what a German reporter who successfully embedded with the Islamic State says the terror group is planning. So I went and checked out this guy's website. He says he had two personal discussions over multiple hours each with Assad in 2013. Talked about specific terms and circumstances under which Assad would relinquish office. Says he got clearance from the Bundestag to tell this to the White House, and the WH response was "we don't talk to that man (Assad)". He goes on to talk about the futility of bombing IS.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 29, 2015 08:27 AM (JtwS4)

91 Oh crap excuse me-- there's a quagmire in my pants.

Posted by: Joey Biden at September 29, 2015 08:28 AM (mcm0N)

92 The two were sat at the same table during a luncheon hosted by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon. Mr Obama saluted the world leaders seated at his table, but when he came to Mr Putin, his look hardened and his smile faded. The men stared intently at each other and then clinked their glasses. Mr Putin, for his part, wore a slight but just perceptible smile. 'cause he knows what a little bitch Barky is.

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 29, 2015 08:28 AM (fWAjv)

93 Nuclear tsunamis are a lot easier in theory than in practice FWIW.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 08:28 AM (AkOaV)

94 they will not embrace the "better ideas" until you break them unless you are willing to break them first, it will not work

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 08:28 AM (zOTsN)

95 They don't want to resist the Taliban. 99% of Afghanis are in favor of Sharia law being the law of the land. There's a pretty big gulf between agreeing with Sharia law and wanting the Taliban back. Just because I believe we'd be better off as a nation if we obeyed the 10 commandments doesn't mean I want a totalitarian Christian dictatorship that burns people at the stake for heresy. The problem is, they're so tribally fractured and so unwilling to pay the price to be free of the Taliban that they won't do what it takes.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 29, 2015 08:29 AM (39g3+)

96 >>And Jack, I know I posted that poll -- but lets not talk about Dubai. Let's leave that in the last thread, k? What poll? And why would I care? No, this thread is exactly what we were talking about last thread, I even referenced then. As we pull out of these countries before they are ready, terrorists take over. And they will use them as bases to attack us just as they have before regardless of what you think.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 29, 2015 08:29 AM (OGm46)

97 91 Oh crap excuse me-- there's a quagmire in my pants. Posted by: Joey Biden at September 29, 2015 01:28 PM (mcm0 That's OK Uncle Joe, its a safe substitute for paste.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at September 29, 2015 08:29 AM (9mTYi)

98 It sucks when the leader of the Free World wants to destroy the Free World. For the last seven years it's been a blatant dismantling of everything millions have died and worked hard for. People are fools if they think this is just the result of stupidity.

Posted by: Soona at September 29, 2015 01:27 PM (Fmupd)

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Agreed.  This is no accident.  This is by design.  Obama is doing everything he has been groomed to do.  The fact that he has so many fellow-travelers is sobering.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at September 29, 2015 08:29 AM (dFi94)

99 Because Obama is uncomfortable with the concept of victory: http://tinyurl.com/ooeyr69

Posted by: nick at September 29, 2015 08:29 AM (EMQZg)

100 I dont care anymore. I dont want us to be bogged down for a hundred years in that dump. These people want to live in the dark ages forever? Let them. And if they dare to bother us again, carpet bomb the entire, shitty country. This place isnt worth one drop of American blood.

Posted by: Elize Nayden at September 29, 2015 08:29 AM (NHW26)

101 It is now time for Pax Russia. That means kaboom.

Posted by: Vladimir Putin at September 29, 2015 08:29 AM (WlG0e)

102 A Friend of mines only Child was killed in Iraq..... There are no words... Posted by: donna

There was a picture in the newspaper in Columbus in 2005, of a couple who had lost their only boy in Iraq.  He was a tanker, and was loading his M-1 when it was hit by an RPG.  Killed him.

The look of loss on their faces.....it haunts me still.

A guy I used to work with lost his son in Iraq, and he and his wife found out on Mother's Day,  in 2005.

The loss of your child is heartbreaking.  To lose them, in retrospect, for nothing is ..... words fail me too.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at September 29, 2015 08:29 AM (RFeQD)

103
I am pretty sure obama was privately laughing on 9/11.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at September 29, 2015 08:30 AM (ODxAs)

104 Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about the ISIL. They are brutal men. Ruthless men. Men who butcher their own people to secure their own power.... The world, and the Syrian and Iraqi people, would be better off without they.

But I also know that ISIL poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to their neighbors...and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty religious fanatics, they fall away into the dustbin of history.

Posted by: President Barack "Unexpectedly" Obama at September 29, 2015 08:30 AM (e8kgV)

105 He goes on to talk about the futility of bombing IS. I agree, bullets are cheaper. One A-10 down the line of one of their parades.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 29, 2015 08:30 AM (39g3+)

106 Poor Israel. We really are a loser nation at this point. Barky managed to bring Russia back to life as a super power of all things. I honestly didn't think things would slide so rapidly with him. I mostly expected a lot of profligate spending, but the state of work affairs now is a horror show

Posted by: L, Elle at September 29, 2015 08:30 AM (2x3L+)

107 The loss of your child is heartbreaking. To lose them, in retrospect, for nothing is ..... words fail me too. Agreed...

Posted by: donna at September 29, 2015 08:31 AM (hUdMz)

108 The two were sat at the same table during a luncheon hosted by UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon. Mr Obama saluted the world leaders seated at his table, but when he came to Mr Putin, his look hardened and his smile faded. The men stared intently at each other and then clinked their glasses. Mr Putin, for his part, wore a slight but just perceptible smile. 'cause he knows what a little bitch Barky is. Because he knows WHOSE little bitch barky is.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 29, 2015 08:31 AM (QlyN5)

109 My standard line on Obama: For most of the 20th century, it was received wisdom in American political culture that YOU DO NOT VOTE FOR SOMEONE FROM CHICAGO. Period. Race, creed, color, none of it matters, but Chicago does. 95% of the Republicans and vanishingly close to 100% of the Democrats from Cook County are crooked. And that's all you really needed to know not to vote for him. After a mixed-race upbringing in the Indonesian and Hawaiian environments where (rich white family notwithstanding) whites are at best a disparaged minority, he CHOSE to make his name in the most politically corrupt city in America.

Posted by: JEM at September 29, 2015 08:31 AM (o+SC1)

110 OOOh, sick burn! Obama was slightly chilly to Putin at lunch!! He really is like a teenaged girl, isn't he?

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at September 29, 2015 08:31 AM (NOIQH)

111 Remember, darlings, he said he will always side with the mooslems. He has, at least, had one truth in the last six years of raining hell.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at September 29, 2015 08:31 AM (LJ4iV)

112 Y'all think Barky's bad,, wait til you get a load of me.... And you will too...

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 29, 2015 08:31 AM (HSmrB)

113 You can't call Giggles a failure...he is getting what he wants a weaker America and emboldened tyrants.

Traitor certainly, not a failure though.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at September 29, 2015 08:32 AM (g8Hfr)

114
Just because I believe we'd be better off as a nation if we obeyed the 10 commandments doesn't mean I want a totalitarian Christian dictatorship that burns people at the stake for heresy.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 29, 2015 01:29 PM
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You don't?  See - to me that sounds appealing.



Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at September 29, 2015 08:32 AM (dFi94)

115 So, Jeb was in Oklahoma City this morning. Anyone wanting to stop by to shake his hand had to pay $2700 for the privilege. A reporter took a picture of Jeb at the coffee shop - there was one guy there shaking his hand. Trump was in Oklahoma City last week. 12,000 people showed up at his rally - it was free.

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at September 29, 2015 08:32 AM (uRumV)

116 As we pull out of these countries before they are ready, terrorists take over. True for Iraq and the blank part of Syria. Not so sure we ever controlled much of Afghanistan. I read a CENTCOM report a few years ago that had happy talk headlines about the progress we were making in Afghanistan. Reading very closely, however, the area we controlled was the city of Kabul and the exact footprint of our military installations only.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 29, 2015 08:32 AM (JtwS4)

117 I do not think there is the political will in this nation to do what we have to do to break the enemies will

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 08:32 AM (zOTsN)

118 You guys pray for one of our Morons. You can call him R. He was diagnosed with cancer yesterday. Also, J who has been fighting cancer for 8 years now. These are both great people. Pray for them if you can manage to. Thanks.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 29, 2015 08:33 AM (2x3L+)

119 Barack Obama supports pederasty.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 29, 2015 08:33 AM (FsuaD)

120 we sent the Kurds MRAPs without armor what a fucking joke

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 08:33 AM (zOTsN)

121 The problem is, they're so tribally fractured and so unwilling to pay the price to be free of the Taliban that they won't do what it takes. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 29, 2015 01:29 PM (39g3+) It's a proxy question. Sharia law is a system of law and enforced-customs proscribed in the Koran. Only a kafir puts mans law above sharia law. So we can get along with some countries that practice Sharia (like saudi arabia) even if they do allow 9 year old girls to get married off, and even if they chop off peoples hands, stone gays, etc. etc. etc. But chances are, a populace that demands sharia is also going to be a populace of practicing muslims -- the type who follow the Korans command to kill or conquer all infidels.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 08:33 AM (AkOaV)

122 118 You guys pray for one of our Morons. You can call him R. He was diagnosed with cancer yesterday. Also, J who has been fighting cancer for 8 years now. These are both great people. Pray for them if you can manage to. Thanks. Done...

Posted by: donna at September 29, 2015 08:33 AM (hUdMz)

123 My approach would be, if a nation harbors or is the source of an attack on Americans anywhere, then we strike them with the fury of God's fist, then walk away as the rubble stops bouncing saying "go ahead and rebuild, but you know what's coming if you piss us off again."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 29, 2015 08:33 AM (39g3+)

124 On the previous thread, I outlined what I believe is a good plan for Syria. It involved the U.S. seizing and colonizing a small portion of land inside of Syria. However, in Afghanistan, I believe things should be different. Privatized. The U.S. government should grant dominion for a promise to pay tribute to a single private entity, either an individual or corporation, for all of Afghanistan. That entity would then establish it's own structure, most likely on the "War Lord" or "Barony" model. Let the U.S. government provide certain limited air assets in exchange for basing rights, but beyond that, let the private entity operate.

Posted by: jwest at September 29, 2015 08:34 AM (Zs4uk)

125 Because he knows WHOSE little bitch barky is.
Posted by: rickb223


As someone else remarked very perceptively:

Putin has Obama's KGB file  (or FSB, whatever it's called now), and probably knows quite a bit more about our Prezzident than the rest of us so-called citizens know.

Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at September 29, 2015 08:34 AM (RFeQD)

126 Jeb should charge people to wedgie him....

Posted by: Stateless Infidel at September 29, 2015 08:34 AM (AC0lD)

127 Yes, I will certainly pray for them.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 29, 2015 08:34 AM (cgZPg)

128 120 we sent the Kurds MRAPs without armor what a fucking joke Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 01:33 PM (zOTsN) Meanwhile, my town has an MRAP with armor... for executing search warrants. Funny how that works.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 08:34 AM (AkOaV)

129 120 Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 01:33 PM (zOTsN)

We need the armor to fight the teahadists here at home...

//General Manly Throw McMomjeans-hero of hole 19

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at September 29, 2015 08:34 AM (g8Hfr)

130 Putin has Obama's KGB file (or FSB, whatever it's called now), and probably knows quite a bit more about our Prezzident than the rest of us so-called citizens know. Posted by: Bossy Conservative....lost in America at September 29, 2015 01:34 PM (RFeQD) I wouldn't doubt this at all.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 29, 2015 08:34 AM (2Ojst)

131 I am become Failure...the destroyer of nations.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at September 29, 2015 08:34 AM (KrAjA)

132 Barack Obama supports pederasty. Posted by: Jane D'oh I not only support it--I'm a member.

Posted by: Pres'nt Obama at September 29, 2015 08:34 AM (VAsIq)

133 I wish Putin would challenge Barupt to an arm wrestle. I can see it in Putin's eyes when he looks at Baroque, he has that smirk like he remembers Barry's little work out routine (which was hilarious). Or Baroque riding a girl's bike with his helmet askew. Meanwhile, Putin rides horses bareback and kills tigers. (Barry would say he rides bareback as well but it is not what good girls should be thinking, Christie. Bad Christie. Go to the corner now).

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at September 29, 2015 08:34 AM (LJ4iV)

134 >>I read a CENTCOM report a few years ago that had happy talk headlines about the progress we were making in Afghanistan. Reading very closely, however, the area we controlled was the city of Kabul and the exact footprint of our military installations only. Sort of splitting hairs. Yes, I wish we had more thoroughly cleansed Afghanistan and not let lawyers run the military but the point is if you allow Islamic nuts to have a sanctuary they will take it and grow. And we are the ultimate target. I guess we're going to find out how much that costs us. Again.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 29, 2015 08:35 AM (OGm46)

135 serioulsy what a fucking joke who the fuck is this fucking guy he is who we said he is God help and protect us from him

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 08:36 AM (zOTsN)

136 Christopher Well France is bombing ISIS in Syria so there's that. Russia was conducting sorties without squawking so --who knows --at this point WW III could break out over an accident.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube river guide at September 29, 2015 08:36 AM (mcm0N)

137 >>>So, Jeb was in Oklahoma City this morning. Anyone wanting to stop by to shake his hand had to pay $2700 for the privilege. How much to shake him by the neck?

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 29, 2015 08:36 AM (1Zmfg)

138 You guys pray for one of our Morons. You can call him R. He was diagnosed with cancer yesterday. Also, J who has been fighting cancer for 8 years now. These are both great people. Pray for them if you can manage to. Thanks.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 29, 2015 01:33 PM (2x3L+)

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I'll pray, L, Elle.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at September 29, 2015 08:36 AM (dFi94)

139 Good news for the children of Kunduz, the local child rapists are no longer under US military protection.

Posted by: mugiwara at September 29, 2015 08:36 AM (D5hxK)

140 I am pretty sure obama was privately laughing on 9/11. I'll bet Val-Jar gave him extra playtime w/Reggie, and a pack of Marlboro reds. On second thought, he's probably a menthol guy, so: Newports.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 29, 2015 08:36 AM (5buP8)

141 They are on the wrong side of history, so there's that

Posted by: Lurkerrr at September 29, 2015 08:36 AM (gLuNA)

142 Trump was in Oklahoma City last week. 12,000 people showed up at his rally - it was free. To be fair, if Trump charged almost 3 large per head for a rally he probably wouldn't draw so many people.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 29, 2015 08:36 AM (39g3+)

143 I come not to bring peace, but anger and hatred and violence. I'm a community organizer, not Jesus!

Posted by: Pres'nt Obama at September 29, 2015 08:37 AM (VAsIq)

144 Meanwhile, my town has an MRAP with armor... for executing search warrants.
Funny how that works. Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 01:34 PM


Well...it is New Hampshire.  We know how many privately owned RPGs with the shoulder thing that goes up you people are hiding up there....

Posted by: RedMindBlueState[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 29, 2015 08:37 AM (KrAjA)

145 Sort of splitting hairs. Yes, I wish we had more thoroughly cleansed Afghanistan and not let lawyers run the military but the point is if you allow Islamic nuts to have a sanctuary they will take it and grow. And we are the ultimate target. I guess we're going to find out how much that costs us. Again. Posted by: JackStraw at September 29, 2015 01:35 PM (OGm46) Dude, I don't know what your solution is. How can we possibly stop that? And if we were to some how find a way to do something about Afghanistan, what do we do when the jihadis move to Pakistan? Or Syria? Or Iraq? Or Somalia? Or Sudan? Or Mali? Or Nigeria? Or anywhere else where jihadists exist right now, today. How do we solve that militarily? Or really in any way?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 08:37 AM (AkOaV)

146 >>He goes on to talk about the futility of bombing IS. Tell that to the Yazidid, whose men were murdered, women were raped. Tell that to the Christians who are tortured and crucified within their own churches. Tell that to the Jordanian pilot burned alive, with it broadcast across the world in HD. Tell that to the Libyan men marched to the shores of Tripoli and beheaded. Tell that to the homosexuals thrown from tall buildings. Tell that to the Western journalist and aid workers held for months, tortured, and eventually beheaded, with the video becoming viral. Tell that to the world who is seeing its historical sites like Palmyra, century + old churches and monasteries and antiquities destroyed, the history of their civilization wiped off the face of the earth And on and on. You don't stop monsters with "better ideas", unless that better idea in annihilate them.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at September 29, 2015 08:37 AM (NOIQH)

147 since, to liberal psychopaths, people of color have no agency, there must be some new cartoon or you tube video that caused this. Maybe they're fired up because of the discrimination ahmed faced simply for inventing while muzlim

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 29, 2015 08:37 AM (Ojdnl)

148 military vehicles stripped of armor what a fucking joke who wants to go to war with this CINC who wants to serve under his "leadership"

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 08:37 AM (zOTsN)

149 Prayers for our Morons with cancer. xoxo

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at September 29, 2015 08:38 AM (LJ4iV)

150 Well...it is New Hampshire. We know how many privately owned RPGs with the shoulder thing that goes up you people are hiding up there.... Posted by: RedMindBlueState at September 29, 2015 01:37 PM (KrAjA) And to be fair, there was some light rioting at pumpkin fest in keene last year.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 08:38 AM (AkOaV)

151 145 Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 01:37 PM (AkOaV)

I left notes on how to solve this...seriously call me.

//Blackjack Pershing's Campaign Hat

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at September 29, 2015 08:38 AM (g8Hfr)

152 Thanks all of you. I hate when bad things happen to people I like. It's seems like we're all getting slammed from every direction. Evil is triumphing.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 29, 2015 08:38 AM (2x3L+)

153 Yeah.. we should have kept 50,000 American troops there getting killed at the rate of a dozen a month or so. For what? I cannot bear to think what this news must be like for the parent of a son killed by these assholes over the ten years we were there. But, what did we think was going to happen? Afghanistan is barely a "nation". It is more like several small countries.. each with their own warlords and tribes. They will never unify into a cohesive nation. Fuck them all.. let them live in their 6th century paradise.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 29, 2015 08:38 AM (so+oy)

154 I think he axed Putin to help him in Afghanistan. 

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 29, 2015 08:39 AM (jJRIy)

155 Actually I think it is about time for Obama  to tell conservatives they are "isolated" and "side of the past"  And is this case his derision and contempt would not be faked.

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at September 29, 2015 08:39 AM (1BQGO)

156 They decorated all the generals who fought the war behind the lines. War is stupid, and people are stupid, and love means nothing in some strange quarters. The only way to win is not to play.

Posted by: FireHorse at September 29, 2015 08:39 AM (vh4aS)

157 but it is not what good girls should be thinking, Christie. Bad Christie. Go to the corner now). Bad Christie can sit over here with us bad Morons.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 29, 2015 08:39 AM (nIGPZ)

158 Good news for the children of Kunduz, the local child rapists are no longer under US military protection. Bad news, the government is made up of child rapists.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 29, 2015 08:39 AM (39g3+)

159 118 You guys pray for one of our Morons. You can call him R. He was diagnosed with cancer yesterday. Also, J who has been fighting cancer for 8 years now. These are both great people. Pray for them if you can manage to. Thanks. Posted by: L, Elle at September 29, 2015 01:33 PM (2x3L+) Prayers up

Posted by: RWC - Team BOHICA at September 29, 2015 08:39 AM (fWAjv)

160 read Psalm 23 and 91 for horde fighting cancer, all of us too

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 08:39 AM (zOTsN)

161 Evil is triumphing. Posted by: L, Elle at September 29, 2015 01:38 PM (2x3L+) I blame Eve and that damned talking snake.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at September 29, 2015 08:39 AM (5buP8)

162 Fuck cancer, speedy recovery to the suffering.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at September 29, 2015 08:40 AM (g8Hfr)

163 How do we solve that militarily? Or really in any way?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 01:37 PM (AkOaV)

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Conversion.  Conversion to Christianity.  I'm not kidding.


There are people behind the scenes working to help accomplish this. Pray for them too.  Their lives are in constant danger. 

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at September 29, 2015 08:40 AM (dFi94)

164 And to be fair, there was some light rioting at pumpkin fest in keene last year. Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 01:38 PM

No pumpkin lattes, no peace!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 29, 2015 08:40 AM (KrAjA)

165 Barky's demonstrating Kenyan impotency - at America's expense (NOT American impotency).

Posted by: ouch at September 29, 2015 08:40 AM (40IrJ)

166 To be fair, if Trump charged almost 3 large per head for a rally he probably wouldn't draw so many people. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 29, 2015 01:36 PM (39g3+) ----------------- I think the point is that Trump (like him or not) seems to be trying to connect with the people. Jeb, not so much.

Posted by: Stay out da bushes at September 29, 2015 08:40 AM (uRumV)

167 >> How much to shake him by the neck? I do not think Jeb's a bad guy. He's better than Kasich or Huckabee, to name two. He's less good than Rand on the things Rand is right about, but he's also less harmful than Rand on the things Paul is horribly wrong about. But...we don't need another Bush any more than we need another Clinton.

Posted by: JEM at September 29, 2015 08:40 AM (o+SC1)

168 Conversion. Conversion to Christianity. I'm not kidding. There are people behind the scenes working to help accomplish this. Pray for them too. Their lives are in constant danger. Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at September 29, 2015 01:40 PM (dFi94) well, more power to them. I don't think that'll work out to well -- Sharia Law does not look kindly on people who convert away from Islam.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 08:41 AM (AkOaV)

169 163 Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at September 29, 2015 01:40 PM (dFi94)

I converted thousands of Muslims....

permanently.

//Black Jack Pershing's Campaign Hat

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at September 29, 2015 08:41 AM (g8Hfr)

170 Good news for the children of Kunduz, the local child rapists are no longer under US military protection. Bad news, the government is made up of child rapists. Posted by: Christopher Taylor Great news: the whole religion is based on a child rapist's fantasies!

Posted by: Mohammed at September 29, 2015 08:41 AM (VAsIq)

171 >>They are on the wrong side of history, so there's that yeah, Jonah Goldberg takes apart Obama's favorite line about "being on the wrong side of history". (Spoiler alert: it means America won't stop you.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikjZo7w4pq8

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at September 29, 2015 08:41 AM (NOIQH)

172 >>Dude, I don't know what your solution is. Then it's only because you aren't listening. Go into countries with force, kill as many terrorists as you can and/or take out the head of state that is supporting them. Stay long enough to insure that a central government is in place that can keep the peace and prevent terrorists from returning. No time limits or whining about costs, it costs far more in blood and treasure to do a half assed job and leave early or not confront the problem at all. It is that simple.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 29, 2015 08:41 AM (OGm46)

173 168 Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 01:41 PM (AkOaV)

You convert enough people my way, plenty will convert the other.

//Black Jack Pershing's Campaign Hat

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at September 29, 2015 08:42 AM (g8Hfr)

174 Posted by: L, Elle ............ Will do, L, Elle! I hate eff'n cancer.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at September 29, 2015 08:42 AM (so+oy)

175 It's hardly a surprise. We would be better served by someone like Rand Paul, who would oppose going into places like Afghanistan, than by half-hearted Barack. Posted by: notsothoreau at September 29, 2015 01:14 PM (5HBd1) This isn't half-heartedness. This is Obama breaking a few eggs to make the omelet. The eggs being the soldiers killed or maimed. The omelet being the lesson of American Impotence, the futility of American Military Action, and the meaninglessness of the soldier's sacrifice and most especially, the existential meaninglessness of their parent's raising and loss of their child. Yes, he is that petty, corrupt, and evil

Posted by: naturalfake at September 29, 2015 08:43 AM (0cMkb)

176 The world is going to hell in a hand basket and the left does not give a damn.

Posted by: Bruce With a Wang! at September 29, 2015 08:43 AM (iQIUe)

177 grammie.....i'm so happy for you and your CUBS!

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 29, 2015 08:43 AM (0O7c5)

178 "You can call him R. He was diagnosed with cancer yesterday." Damn. Sorry to hear.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at September 29, 2015 08:43 AM (LA7Cm)

179 JackStraw there is no political will in this country to do what you are suggesting which means if we go in , we will go in half assed and the only people to suffer for it is the military

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 08:43 AM (zOTsN)

180 172 Posted by: JackStraw at September 29, 2015 01:41 PM (OGm46)

I'm always touched when people act like folks who have vocally and blatantly ceded their membership in civilized humanity merit being treated as human....

ISIL and the Tali Tims are lower than roaches and I kill every roach I can.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at September 29, 2015 08:44 AM (g8Hfr)

181 Eliminating the Taliban is the "good war." ___________________ Yeah, remember back in 2008 when Barky was telling us that Afghanistan was the good war, the just war, the one we should be focused on winning? I guess he only needed to spin that line of BS long enough to convince the 50+ million dumbasses who voted for him. Hope they enjoy the f*cked-up world Barky has created for them; they deserve it. Too bad the rest of us don't.

Posted by: TrivialPursuer at September 29, 2015 08:44 AM (a31sM)

182 Stay long enough to insure that a central government is in place that can keep the peace and prevent terrorists from returning. No time limits or whining about costs, it costs far more in blood and treasure to do a half assed job and leave early or not confront the problem at all. It is that simple. Posted by: JackStraw at September 29, 2015 01:41 PM (OGm46) Yeah, but what if "the terrorists" are actually the vast majority of the population? What if the vast majority of Muslims hate kafirs, and while not everyone is willing to strap on a suicide vest, near 100% of the population is willing to turn the other way to people who are strapping on suicide vests? I mean, I know that's a slight exaggeration -- but in Afghanistan for example, our choices for our puppet leader are "hopelessly corrupt" or "jihadists". How do we make that function as a "central government" and how many decades do we need to stay and how many billions do we need to spend before we realize "this might not be a fixable situation"?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 08:44 AM (AkOaV)

183 Stay long enough to insure that a central government is in place that can keep the peace and prevent terrorists from returning. See I think that's too long. Staying that long means staying long enough for an Obama, Carter, or Clinton to get in office and screw everything up. Its also more money and blood than they deserve from us. Stomp on them like the wrath of God then walk away with a warning. Didn't like that? Don't anger us.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 29, 2015 08:44 AM (39g3+)

184 which means if we go in , we will go in half assed and the only people to suffer for it is the military Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 01:43 PM (zOTsN) Yup probably right, of course until that nuclear bomb goes off in an American City...and that will happen.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 29, 2015 08:45 AM (gf8BH)

185 "No time limits or whining about costs, it costs far more in blood and treasure to do a half assed job and leave early or not confront the problem at all. It is that simple." This is the key. For every foreign intervention, budget at least a 100 year time frame. Take control, everyone is taught English in our schools. Within two generations, wherever you are turns into Ohio. Problem solved.

Posted by: jwest at September 29, 2015 08:45 AM (Zs4uk)

186 179 Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 01:43 PM (zOTsN)

Don't worry we'll get the chance to experience radical Islam's tantrums here...

the left's solutions will be abrogating native American liberty.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at September 29, 2015 08:45 AM (g8Hfr)

187 176 The world is going to hell in a hand basket and the left is buying baskets at Trader's World.

FIFY

Posted by: exdem13 at September 29, 2015 08:45 AM (ry4ab)

188 179 JackStraw there is no political will in this country to do what you are suggesting which means if we go in , we will go in half assed and the only people to suffer for it is the military Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 01:43 PM (zOTsN) And that's a big part of it too. If we NEED to "pacify" Afghanistan, I think our only real hope is to carpet bomb the shit out of the place, kill / cower the vast majority of the population, then convert / "re-educate" the rest. And even that would not guarantee success. There is no political will for even 10% of that.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 08:45 AM (AkOaV)

189

American "Smart Power": Diplomacy and Development Are the Vanguard.

..............................

 

i.e., a good deal on hotel rooms and a bucket of oats for John

Posted by: wth at September 29, 2015 08:46 AM (wAQA5)

190 I guess he only needed to spin that line of BS long enough to convince the 50+ million dumbasses who voted for him. Hope they enjoy the f*cked-up world Barky has created for them; they deserve it. Posted by: TrivialPursuer And we do! Life is great!

Posted by: LIV, with a new iPhone! at September 29, 2015 08:46 AM (VAsIq)

191 Don't worry we'll get the chance to experience radical Islam's tantrums here... the left's solutions will be abrogating native American liberty. Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077 at September 29, 2015 01:45 PM (g8Hfr) The easy solution is to not allow Muslims in to the US. At least not in large numbers as "refugees"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 08:46 AM (AkOaV)

192 "Obama did not come to end wars; he came to lose them." Actually, he came to start them AND lose them. "He came to teach us all a lesson about American impotency." And our own individual impotence. He cannot have "empowered" individuals running around free.

Posted by: rrpjr at September 29, 2015 08:46 AM (s/yC1)

193 grammie.....i'm so happy for you and your CUBS!

Posted by: phoenixgirl, i was born a rebel at September 29, 2015 01:43 PM (0O7c5)

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I know !!  Can you believe it ?!?  I mean, I've resigned myself to the fact that they will crash and burn, but hey - we made it to the post-season !!

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at September 29, 2015 08:46 AM (dFi94)

194 "They are on the wrong side of history, so there's that"

Yep. We got gay marriage and that is one of the underpinnings of a modern, civilized society (along with  abortion and transgender rights)

Posted by: George Orwell de Leon at September 29, 2015 08:46 AM (1BQGO)

195 At least we can sing along with the Pope! A track from the Pope's new album. Pope Francis: Wake Up! Go! Go! Forward! http://bit.ly/1NRp6KJ (a repost from earlier today) I don't thing "Wake up!" and "Go! Forward!" belong in the same sentence, let alone universe.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2015 08:47 AM (qCMvj)

196 >>JackStraw there is no political will in this country to do what you are suggesting And we will continue the cycle of 9-11 because we learn nothing. We will have another financial crisis because we learn nothing. I'm not denying we have people who want to pretend we can ignore this stuff and all will be well. I've been arguing with some all day. But reality will win out, always does. And we will get hit again, strike back and then declare we are a tired country and don't want war and the cycle will repeat.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 29, 2015 08:47 AM (OGm46)

197 Nuclear annihilation across the globe.


Fuckin' amateurs

Posted by: SMOD at September 29, 2015 08:47 AM (FwRqg)

198

Obama did not come to end wars; he came to lose them.

 

He came to teach us all a lesson about American impotency.

 

Too bad the Founders didn't foresee the advent of a reckless, adversarial, hostile Chief Executive and provide for a way of removing him.  But - optics uber alles, right GOPe?  Can't do anything to dull the lustre of President Historic First!

 

I  only wish I believed in an afterlife so I could pray their souls burn in Hell.

Posted by: Archie Andrews at September 29, 2015 08:48 AM (zF6Iw)

199 Solution: double the military of course!!

Posted by: Monsieur Mew Mew at September 29, 2015 01:15 PM (0LHZx)

 

Because only two exclamation points will do the job. One is never enough.

Posted by: troyriser at September 29, 2015 08:48 AM (fnCax)

200 Mark Steyn saw the future post 9/11...of the great mooslem invasion. We are seeing it now in Europe with the invasion of barbarians who will overwhelm the citizens and populate like rabbits in their polygamy. Beginning of the end as we know how Europe is, based on two world wars. This time, however, we are too weak to assist and have no desire to save them. We have a completely feckless and stupid leader who probably cheers before he unrolls his prayer rug. He has done NOTHING to advance freedom of this world. NOTHING to help our country's prosperity. He promised to revise this country and he has done it within: racial divide, increased welfare, lies about jobs and debt, weakened military. And without: angering Allies, leaving Iraq and Afghanistan, freeing Gitmo 9/11 monsters to join their fellow barbarians. Never saying these three words: Radical Islamic Terror. Oh, sure, he fires off a drone or two when he is into playing his video games with Beyonce. Big deal. Taqiyya. He would just blame the military should he be asked. He dinnent do it.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at September 29, 2015 08:48 AM (LJ4iV)

201 *sniffs* Lotta strawmen getting torched in this thread.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 29, 2015 08:49 AM (2Ojst)

202 *snort*

Posted by: Bitter Meteor of Leaving You Alive at September 29, 2015 08:49 AM (VAsIq)

203 I'll check in later on another thread.  All the lives lost, the bodies and minds damaged.

Son is still grieving the friends he lost over there, and the buddies who killed themselves this summer.

I'm out.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 29, 2015 08:49 AM (FsuaD)

204 Chipmunk report:
Knocked senseless by cheap mousetrap 4th round, tossed outside, has either recovered, crawled off to die or been eaten by The Hawk.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at September 29, 2015 08:50 AM (DL2i+)

205 Posted by: Bitter Meteor of Leaving You Alive Oh that's just mean.

Posted by: Bandersnatch, Opus/Bill the Cat 2016 at September 29, 2015 08:50 AM (JtwS4)

206 Leadership...Real Leadership...Does not follow Public Opinion, it educates it and leads.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 29, 2015 08:50 AM (gf8BH)

207 Posted by: JackStraw at September 29, 2015 01:47 PM (OGm46) You're using the same arguments the gun grabbers use. "If we just had one more law, this mass shooting wouldn't have happened." I don't see how you stop something like 9/11 from happening. I mean, it's not like we WEREN'T trying. Government just sucks. But even if we had killed bin laden in Sudan or Afghanistan, and even if we were occupying one or both of those countries in 2000 / 2001 -- would that really stop all terrorist attacks? We still seem to get terrorist attacks now, despite having troops all over the Muslim world.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 08:50 AM (AkOaV)

208 >>>It sucks when the leader of the free world is a pussy.
.
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.Shades of Jimmy Carter 2.0

Posted by: The Great White Scotsman at September 29, 2015 08:50 AM (iONHu)

209 Thunderb, #78: "Someone asked her if she would send her son when he was old enough. She honestly answered no and then started to cry. "Dont tell me to go to war unless you have some skin in the game" That's a tricky one. I was happy to put my own hide on the line (and resented my parents for trying to convince me not to). Now I have kids, and my gut reaction to their going overseas and getting shot at (hypothetical for ~15 years) is, F%^& THAT! I served so they won't have to! I realize the catch: Someone's always going to have to.

Posted by: JPS at September 29, 2015 08:50 AM (lVKME)

210 *grins evilly*

Posted by: Bitter Meteor of Leaving You Alive at September 29, 2015 08:51 AM (VAsIq)

211 "This is no accident. This is by design. Obama is doing everything he has been groomed to do. The fact that he has so many fellow-travelers is sobering. Posted by: grammie winger" "The only thing impotent about America is our current political class. Posted by: Tex Lovera " Sums it all up for me. Back to work.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez[/i][/b][/u][/s] at September 29, 2015 08:51 AM (S0bOl)

212 how did Europe repel the Vikings, or the first muslim invaders? Serious here. Going deep into their territory, like the Crusades (yes I said Crusades) did not work in the long run. Drawing the oundaries for them and installing dicatators worked for the British for a long while, but I dont know if that is possible anymore. So how did Europe repel invaders in the past? And how do you do that in the modern world of airplanes and automobiles

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 08:51 AM (zOTsN)

213 >>The world is going to hell in a hand basket and the left is buying baskets at Trader's World. ....and they're more concerned with whether or not the baskets are vegan, fair trade, and not made by child labor, than you know, **that the world is going to hell in them**.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at September 29, 2015 08:51 AM (NOIQH)

214 Posted by: Jane D'oh at September 29, 2015 01:49 PM (FsuaD)

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  I know.  Yup.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at September 29, 2015 08:51 AM (dFi94)

215 210 *grins evilly* Posted by: Bitter Meteor of Leaving You Alive at September 29, 2015 01:51 PM (VAsIq) You right bastard.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 29, 2015 08:51 AM (2Ojst)

216 Carly Fiorina is lying about Planned Parenthood.

Posted by: MSM at September 29, 2015 08:52 AM (wAQA5)

217 You wingnuts. Everyone knows the Taliban don't represent Islam. Besides Reagan created them because of the Crusades and look what Tim McVeigh did.

Posted by: Daybrother Samurai Slacker at September 29, 2015 08:52 AM (LT/km)

218 Sadly, it will take 2 or 3 more 9/11 scale atrocities here and watching all of Europe explode with suicide bombings and shooting rampages before we take this seriously. Our political class does not want to deal with this.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 29, 2015 08:53 AM (2x3L+)

219 But...we don't need another Bush any more than we need another Clinton. Posted by: JEM at September 29, 2015 01:40 PM (o+SC1) ------------------ Ah yes,, but another Clinton you shall have....

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 29, 2015 08:53 AM (HSmrB)

220 216 Carly Fiorina Cecile Richards is lying about Planned Parenthood. Posted by: MSM at September 29, 2015 01:52 PM (wAQA5) FTFY. Although not even she could weasel her way out of some rather damning admissions today.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 29, 2015 08:53 AM (2Ojst)

221 Harry how many died in WW II? How many American military died in WW II? Did isolationism and appeasement increase those numbers? Where did you supposedly go to law school? Can we send lawyers in first? Can the US afford battles of attrition? Can ideologies and other countries that devalue life afford battles of attrition? Do countries that fail economically lash out at external scapegoats? Do failing economies create instability?

Posted by: Your friendly Danube river guide at September 29, 2015 08:53 AM (mcm0N)

222 I am sadly not surprised by Obummer's posing on the issue. He is full of BS, his Obamaphone minions don't care, and his fellow pinko supporters know and approve. He had 0% interest in winning GWOT and sadly due to 2012 he got another 4 years to finish the job of shredding our national security along with our national defense. Remember folks, fundamental transformation and managing our decline? He said those things, and he meant to do them.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 29, 2015 08:53 AM (ry4ab)

223 Honestly, I thought America's plan post-911 would include a lot of assassination of- the Saudi and Emirate royalty who fund terrorism, the radical imams, and the bombing and destruction of any country allowing terrorist training camps. That alone would've cleared up the mess for the most part. I was wrong.

Posted by: naturalfake at September 29, 2015 08:54 AM (0cMkb)

224 If Zero had a dick, he would still be a pussy.

Posted by: maddogg at September 29, 2015 08:54 AM (xWW96)

225 218 Sadly, it will take 2 or 3 more 9/11 scale atrocities here and watching all of Europe explode with suicide bombings and shooting rampages before we take this seriously. Our political class does not want to deal with this. Posted by: L, Elle at September 29, 2015 01:53 PM (2x3L+) I guess my point is that I take Islam VERY seriously -- moreso then any of our elected leaders who say "these people do not represent Islam. Islam is the religion of peace." And yet, I'm not sure what we could be doing militarily to make this situation any less ... nightmarish for us. Everyone just likes to stand around s'ing each others d's with platitudes of "fightin 'em over there" but it doesn't SOLVE anything

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 08:54 AM (AkOaV)

226 So how did Europe repel invaders in the past? And how do you do that in the modern world of airplanes and automobiles Well I can say with confidence that they didn't welcome the invaders with open arms and stacks of sweet welfare money.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 29, 2015 08:55 AM (39g3+)

227 I am literally walking away from anyone that still clings to the hope and change bozo. I cannot look them in the face.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2015 08:55 AM (qCMvj)

228 I realize the catch: Someone's always going to have to. Posted by: JPS at September 29, 2015 01:50 PM (lVKME) sure. I hear you. But so few people even know anyone personally who served. They are divorced from the reality of these decisions. And they are only confortable with a vet who is a victim, not a victor As long as very few people serve, and as a culture we shun victory and worship victimhood, we will not have the political will necessary to break the enemy

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 08:55 AM (zOTsN)

229 213 >>The world is going to hell in a hand basket and the left is buying baskets at Trader's World.



....and they're more concerned with whether or not the baskets are vegan, fair trade, and not made by child labor, than you know, **that the world is going to hell in them**.

That is all true, Lizzy.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 29, 2015 08:55 AM (ry4ab)

230 For most of the 20th century, it was received wisdom in American political culture that YOU DO NOT VOTE FOR SOMEONE FROM CHICAGO. Period. Race, creed, color, none of it matters, but Chicago does. __________ That is something the 'coasties' simply do not understand. Corruption is the default mode and any accidental competence or statesmanship is just that -- accidental. The vast majority of the country does not understand the total corruption and accuse those of us from Illinois of too-tight tinfoil hats. Truth is that selling a senatorial seat is standard.

Posted by: mustbequantum at September 29, 2015 08:56 AM (MIKMs)

231 Sadly, it will take 2 or 3 more 9/11 scale atrocities here and watching all of Europe explode with suicide bombings and shooting rampages before we take this seriously. Our political class does not want to deal with this. Posted by: L, Elle at September 29, 2015 01:53 PM (2x3L+) until it effects them (Congress/Administration) not until then

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2015 08:56 AM (qCMvj)

232 Well I can say with confidence that they didn't welcome the invaders with open arms and stacks of sweet welfare money. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 29, 2015 01:55 PM (39g3+) No, really?

Posted by: Charles Martel, The MFing Hammer of Gaul at September 29, 2015 08:56 AM (2Ojst)

233 I don't believe the claims made by our leaders and press regarding the hopes for pacification of muslims by diplomatic gestures and appeasements. Our leaders are willfully allowing them advances and making 'explanations' regarding these decisions to pacify Western civilization. If you connect the dots, and it's not hard to do, our leaders are complicit, active, well-aware, and largely successful at reaching their collective (unstated) goals. These goals are in accordance with the goals set forth in a certain book not named the Bible. Is that book: A. the Koran B. "Rules for Radicals" C. both A. and B. ?

Posted by: orange mule at September 29, 2015 08:56 AM (uXcD2)

234 Harry do you think the term "dolt" sounds American?

Posted by: Your friendly Danube river guide at September 29, 2015 08:56 AM (mcm0N)

235 Obama's strategy and tactics make me look like a great! idea..... Hell, Obama makes Dien Bien Phu look like a master stroke.

Posted by: Zombie Maginot Line at September 29, 2015 08:56 AM (D0NZx)

236 The Left is always going on about how superior Europe is, so let's import a practice from several European countries: mandatory military service.

Posted by: Turd Ferguson at September 29, 2015 08:56 AM (VAsIq)

237 Chipmunk report: ---------------------------- Chip or Dale?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 29, 2015 08:57 AM (HSmrB)

238 But so few people even know anyone personally who served. They are divorced from the reality of these decisions


Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 01:55 PM (zOTsN)
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This is so true. They have no idea. 

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at September 29, 2015 08:57 AM (dFi94)

239 We are watching the very wealthy buy property far, far away, where they will go to hide. Yet, they still promote TFG... Feeding the hand that slaps them.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2015 08:57 AM (qCMvj)

240 Whoops - off, Riverdale sock.

Posted by: Mary Poppins' Practically Perfect Piercing at September 29, 2015 08:57 AM (zF6Iw)

241 234 Harry do you think the term "dolt" sounds American? Posted by: Your friendly Danube river guide at September 29, 2015 01:56 PM (mcm0N) Yes.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 08:58 AM (AkOaV)

242 >> So how did Europe repel invaders in the past? And how do >> you do that in the modern world of airplanes and >> automobiles Broadswords, longbows, triremes, Greek fire, catapults, trebuchets, stone walls, lots and lots of public executions. Then we got into this business of 'wars of peoples' and Bonaparte then tanks and trenches and mustard gas, when mostly they were shooting at each other. But I suggest that any and/or all of the above would work just fine now.

Posted by: JEM at September 29, 2015 08:58 AM (o+SC1)

243 That alone would've cleared up the mess for the most part. Well it certainly wouldn't have hurt. Ending a few lives in Saudi Arabia would have annoyed deep pockets though, and politicians care more about the bottom line than anything else.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 29, 2015 08:58 AM (39g3+)

244 Much of the ME problem does originate back to Bush.  We shackled our military and started to pick battles in conference rooms.  This only amplified under TFG's reign.

Ask any soldier who went to "the beach" what the Rules of Engagement are like.

In its most basic form - the military should (and must) be to break things, blow shit up and kill what gets in the way.  It is harsh, it is cruel and it is violent.  Handcuffing them like we have been is the recipe for disastrous results - like what we are seeing.

We as a nation are at a cross roads. 

Do we become (more and more) isolationists?  Continue gutting the military for social programs?  Since the Taliban/ISIS/extremists haven't attacked us or our neighbors - why fight?

Or do we assume (try and recover) a leadership role on this big rock and stomp the advancement of ISIS et al BEFORE they start attacking us?

One of these decisions make people feel warm and fuzzy, makes the military a social experiment and we all wear pink at the end of the day.  The other calls for us to act like a freedom loving nation and exact a punishing toll on these extremists that their mothers feel it.

Doing it half assed like we have for the past 10+ years has only resulted in us burying our sons and daughters in vain.  Watching what they fought for - the ground they took - fall away into the enemy's hands.

We as a nation need to decide.  And then go 110% all in all the way.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at September 29, 2015 08:58 AM (DlmoZ)

245 Harry do you understand the term terrorist safe havens? Do you understand that ISIS has more money than any other terrorist organization in history? Do you know how ISIS aquired this funding?

Posted by: Your friendly Danube river guide at September 29, 2015 08:58 AM (mcm0N)

246 So how did Europe repel invaders in the past? They killed them. Brutally & barbarically. And they didn't stop when some poofter whined.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 29, 2015 08:59 AM (uyrlv)

247 Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 01:37 PM (AkOaV) -------------------- We do it by putting our nuclear capability back on the table as a countermeasure. Telling our muzzie enemies that under no circumstances will nuclear weapons be used only encourages them to do what they're doing now. They know that thier numbers preclude any conventional solution. I would also threaten Mecca and Medina with dirty nukes. I'd also tell them that if they insist on continuing, every muzzie sacred site and mosque would be turned to rubble.

Posted by: Soona at September 29, 2015 08:59 AM (Fmupd)

248 I really think Powers and Susan The Lying Benghazi Grey Pearl Necklace and Baroque think they can negotiate with barbarians. It would be like teaching Koko the Signing Gorilla algorithms. I could see them sitting down at a UN table with the isis leaders. Barry would start pontificating and speechifying and, well, barbarians do what barbarians do...and he will not hold them spellbound for more than a nanosecond unless he is wrapped in bacon.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at September 29, 2015 09:00 AM (LJ4iV)

249 new & improved version -- now open for the ottoman hordes

Posted by: The Gates of Vienna at September 29, 2015 09:00 AM (xwPSp)

250 if we need to act like a modern Charles Martel, then we better get our shit together on the border. All of em

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 09:00 AM (zOTsN)

251 Do you understand that ISIS has more money than any other terrorist organization in history? Do you know how ISIS aquired this funding? Posted by: Your friendly Danube river guide at September 29, 2015 01:58 PM (mcm0N) ISIS wisely robbed a bank, got a shit ton of funding from the US, the gulf states, & turkey when they were still pretending to be "moderate rebels fighting assad" and, of course, they've been running a nice side gig of selling illegal oil. What does any of that have to do with anything?

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 09:00 AM (AkOaV)

252 >> Hell, Obama makes Dien Bien Phu look like a master stroke. Obama would have bowed to Ho Chi Minh in his first five minutes in office. He'd have been making like one of those birds that dip their beaks in water then bob back up.

Posted by: JEM at September 29, 2015 09:00 AM (o+SC1)

253 Posted by: Harry Paratestes -------------------------------------------- You do realize, there's a permanent cure for that. And I'm not talking laser depilitation.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 29, 2015 09:00 AM (E5UB0)

254 2 birds with one stone: empty the jails into the Middle East and arm them well. Pat on the back and good luck in your new country fellas, if you can keep it. Anyone caught coming over the border illegally goes to the Middle East. That would likely cut down on the continuous flow and repeat offenders.

Posted by: Eli Cash at September 29, 2015 09:01 AM (a+WIL)

255 >>>>> Everyone just likes to stand around s'ing each others d's with platitudes of "fightin 'em over there" but it doesn't SOLVE anything Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 01:54 PM (AkOaV) ------- I agree with you, I guess. For starters, how about we stop letting people from certain countries into this country? That we get mostly Latinos now seems like a blessing. And Europe too needs to stop with the open borders. Merkl has lost her mind. All of Europe is committing cultural suicide inviting these people in. We are witnessing the beginning of the death of Western Civilization over there.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 29, 2015 09:01 AM (2x3L+)

256 >>Broadswords, longbows, triremes, Greek fire, catapults, trebuchets, stone walls, lots and lots of public executions. Yep, lots of fighting. And then Christianity replaced the Norse gods in the Baltic region and that was the end of the Vikings.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 29, 2015 09:01 AM (OGm46)

257 I would also threaten Mecca and Medina with dirty nukes. I'd also tell them that if they insist on continuing, every muzzie sacred site and mosque would be turned to rubble. Posted by: Soona at September 29, 2015 01:59 PM (Fmupd) I'm not against trying things like that, but our country will never do it. So unfortunately, we're back to square one. Which is my whole point. We're wasting fucktons of money and lives doing stuff we know doesn't work. Like building roads and trying to "win hearts and minds"

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 09:01 AM (AkOaV)

258 218 Sadly, it will take 2 or 3 more 9/11 scale atrocities here and watching all of Europe explode with suicide bombings and shooting rampages before we take this seriously. Our political class does not want to deal with this.

And there should be a special ring in hell for those politicians.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at September 29, 2015 09:01 AM (DlmoZ)

259 This was done from a position of weakness.

Posted by: White House SpokzHo at September 29, 2015 09:02 AM (i7JE3)

260 >> Much of the ME problem does originate back to Bush. We >> shackled our military and started to pick battles in >> conference rooms. This only amplified under TFG's reign. Absolutely true. Frankly, if I'm elected President I'll send 2/3 of the JAGs into the field to get their boots muddy, and I'll ask for the resignations of everyone two-star and up and think for a while about which ones I'm going to accept.

Posted by: JEM at September 29, 2015 09:02 AM (o+SC1)

261 You do realize, there's a permanent cure for that. And I'm not talking laser depilitation. Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 29, 2015 02:00 PM (E5UB0) ;-). I'd figure you'd have an idea or two, Caitlyn.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 09:02 AM (AkOaV)

262 246 So how did Europe repel invaders in the past? Europe relied on a few men who saw what was happening like Charles Martel or Vlad Tepes. The rest of them behaved as normal. Europe is chronically stupid, and is always saved from ruin by a lucky happenstance which allows it to outpace the Russians or Turks or whoever. One day its luck is going to run out. I don't see the welfare state pulling any rabbits out of the hat.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 29, 2015 09:02 AM (WlG0e)

263 Harry how many Americans would have to die in a terrorist event before you decided the international law route was not working?

Posted by: Your friendly Danube river guide at September 29, 2015 09:02 AM (mcm0N)

264 >>>No. It sucks when the leader of the Free World wants to destroy the Free World. litotes. Doesn't it??? I really loathe shit fingered midas.

Posted by: Caitlyn Jenner at September 29, 2015 09:02 AM (E5UB0)

265 ISIS is the most well funded terrorist organization the world has ever seen, outside of Iran that is that is what it means

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 09:03 AM (zOTsN)

266 Just thought I should mention here that the situation in Saudi Arabia itself is looking increasingly precarious. The House of Saud may be about to fall.

The cream of the crop of the Saudi armed forces were sent into Yemen to deal with the Houthis, and have gotten absolutely mauled, including a senior Saudi commander on the scene being killed.

And there is rumored to be intense ferment within the ranks of the Saudi royals. The new King is apparently incapable of discharging his official duties (perhaps for medical reasons) and his inexperienced young son is acting as a de facto regent, and messing things up badly, not least the aforementioned Yemeni cauldron of trouble. Internal correspondences between disaffected and/or frightened princes are leaking out to the UK press.

It's not out of the question that by the time Obama leaves office, the Saudi oil reserves, and Mecca, and Medina, and the Saudis' large stock of advanced weaponry, will all have been absorbed into the Islamic State caliphate.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 29, 2015 09:03 AM (noWW6)

267 I would also threaten Mecca and Medina with dirty nukes. I'd also tell them that if they insist on continuing, every muzzie sacred site and mosque would be turned to rubble.

Posted by: Soona at September 29, 2015 01:59 PM (Fmupd)

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I've always thought that the idea of the destruction of their eleventy holiest sites would be a good thing to hold over their heads.


But,  reverence for islam.   Sure, let the Christian churches be burned to rubble, but big muslim rocks are off limits.


Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at September 29, 2015 09:03 AM (dFi94)

268 Obama came to do two things: suck dick and chew bubblegum. According to Putin, the Mullahs, the Castros, and ISIS, he's almost out of dick.

Posted by: Jollyroger at September 29, 2015 09:03 AM (t06LC)

269 263 Harry how many Americans would have to die in a terrorist event before you decided the international law route was not working? Posted by: Your friendly Danube river guide at September 29, 2015 02:02 PM (mcm0N) I'm not following.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 09:04 AM (AkOaV)

270 I feel like puking

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 29, 2015 09:04 AM (gf8BH)

271 When VBIEDs start going off on our interstates and other roadways, maybe that'll wake people up. Maybe.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 29, 2015 09:04 AM (zyIlW)

272 2 birds with one stone: empty the jails into the Middle East and arm them well. ======= They'd just join in the raping and slave bidness with ISIS. We kinda need a Dr. Victor Von Doom to figure out this shit. Luckily, Putin's starting to get involved. *headache*

Posted by: Bigby's Atomic Elbow at September 29, 2015 09:04 AM (3ZtZW)

273 I really think Powers and Susan The Lying Benghazi Grey Pearl Necklace and Baroque think they can negotiate with barbarians. Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at September 29, 2015 02:00 PM (LJ4iV) They ARE the barbarians. And retarded barbarians, at that.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 29, 2015 09:04 AM (zc3Db)

274 I dont think we will win their "hearts" or their "minds" until we utterly break their will

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 09:04 AM (zOTsN)

275 Nevergiveup, Felt that way for awhile now.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 29, 2015 09:05 AM (zyIlW)

276 >>I could see them sitting down at a UN table with the isis leaders.... Heck, just yesterday Barack lectured Iran that "Death to America [chants] do not create jobs..." He is on another planet he is so missing the point.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at September 29, 2015 09:05 AM (NOIQH)

277 It's not out of the question that by the time Obama leaves office, the Saudi oil reserves, and Mecca, and Medina, and the Saudis' large stock of advanced weaponry, will all have been absorbed into the Islamic State caliphate. Posted by: torquewrench at September 29, 2015 02:03 PM (noWW6) Very possible. IS has made no secret of their ambitions to overthrow the kafirs in the House of Saud and take Mecca and Medina. In fact, the prophecy requires the "army from Medina" to have their back when they fight the "army of Rome" in Dabiq, Syria. So I'd say right now Medina is #1 priority, followed by Mecca, followed by Al Quds. So yes, I'd be nervous if I were the Sauds. Which is why they built a gigantic fucking wall on their border.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 09:05 AM (AkOaV)

278 It's not out of the question that by the time Obama leaves office, the Saudi oil reserves, and Mecca, and Medina, and the Saudis' large stock of advanced weaponry, will all have been absorbed into the Islamic State caliphate. Hope and change, baby. Fundamentally transformed. :^(

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 29, 2015 09:06 AM (cgZPg)

279 You know it is not King 0 that irks so much--A King has to do what a King has to do ...it is the POS traitors supposedly wearing the opposition uniforms-the ones like The Drunk and his Turtle Master who sold us out. May they glow in Hell.

Posted by: Lower Class person whose opinions need to be guided at September 29, 2015 09:06 AM (TYRPo)

280 Harry would you listen to military advisors? Has Obama listened to military advisors? How many intelligence officers at CENTCOM have come forward to say that assessments are being "politically" altered? Is the number more or less than -50?

Posted by: Your friendly Danube river guide at September 29, 2015 09:06 AM (mcm0N)

281 the issue is when will our nation have the political will to utterly break them

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 09:06 AM (zOTsN)

282 225
And yet, I'm not sure what we could be doing militarily to make this situation any less ... nightmarish for us.

Everyone just likes to stand around s'ing each others d's with platitudes of "fightin 'em over there" but it doesn't SOLVE anything
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Harry, as of 2009 our military was doing something to solve the problem. COIN was working, connecting with the locals, making friends, identifying foes, and allowing the troops to hit first before being hit. Combat losses were way down, unit morale was high, and our allies in-region trusted them.

Obummer sure turned that situation around didn't he? Remember, the Golfer-in-Chief does not want an American victory. He does not want a Global War on (Islamic) Terrorism. Hell, he does not even want to use the word "terrorism" unless it can be applied to an AoS HQ member BBQ party. So if you think nothing is being done to solve the problems, you are 100% right.
 

Posted by: exdem13 at September 29, 2015 09:06 AM (ry4ab)

283 Meanwhile, Putin rides horses bareback and kills tigers. (Barry would say he rides bareback as well but it is not what good girls should be thinking, Christie. Bad Christie. Go to the corner now).

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at September 29, 2015 01:34 PM (LJ4iV)

 

While on a riding excursion or some such thing, Putin also pulled a priceless, long-lost religious relic from a stream in the Urals seemingly at random--with cameras rolling, somehow perfectly positioned at that exact spot to capture that miraculous moment.  Amazing stuff.  I mean, what are the odds?

Posted by: troyriser at September 29, 2015 09:06 AM (fnCax)

284 In fact, the prophecy requires the "army from Medina" to have their back when they fight the "army of Rome" in Dabiq, Syria. The general of the army of Rome drives around in a Fiat! They have to love him!

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 29, 2015 09:07 AM (WlG0e)

285 >>But, reverence for islam. Sure, let the Christian churches be burned to rubble, but big muslim rocks are off limits Yeah, we recognize Ramadan while the Muslim Brotherhood attacks churches during Christmas eve services.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at September 29, 2015 09:07 AM (NOIQH)

286 262 246 So how did Europe repel invaders in the past? Europe relied on a few men who saw what was happening like Charles Martel or Vlad Tepes. The rest of them behaved as normal. Europe is chronically stupid, and is always saved from ruin by a lucky happenstance which allows it to outpace the Russians or Turks or whoever. One day its luck is going to run out. I don't see the welfare state pulling any rabbits out of the hat. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 29, 2015 02:02 PM (WlG0e) Funny you mention it. There is a guy named Vlad who may want to play savior of Europe when the time comes. Ask the chechens how he feels about muslim aggression.

Posted by: Jollyroger at September 29, 2015 09:07 AM (t06LC)

287 >>>Posted by: Your friendly Danube river guide at September 29, 2015 02:06 PM (mcm0N) Huh? >>>you are 100% right. Posted by: exdem13 at September 29, 2015 02:06 PM (ry4ab) Thank you, friend.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 09:07 AM (AkOaV)

288 Navy slogan search in limbo amid advertising contract dispute Women in forward combat Units Transexuals Uniform Changes Bullshit touchie feelie couses instead of training G-D I'm slowy dying here

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 29, 2015 09:07 AM (gf8BH)

289 Oh, they would never hurt feelings while threatening Mecca. Meanwhile, a church in Bethlehem is torched yesterday by the barbarians. The article even mentions it being arson and planned against Christians. Has Baroque ever mentioned Christians being killed and tortured and in exile in the Middle East? Seriously. Has he? I admit to not ever, NEVER, listening to anything out of the pretender's purple lips. I have thought, since my last visit to Westminster Abbey and Notre-Dame, that it is only a matter of time before a Christian landmark is destroyed by these barbarians. And nothing will be done in return. Nothing.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at September 29, 2015 09:07 AM (LJ4iV)

290 How ironic (maybe not the right word) that it will be Germany that starts the next world war by trying to prove to the world that they aren't Nazis anymore. They're inviting a medieval version of their own past into their country and continent.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 29, 2015 09:07 AM (2x3L+)

291 I really think Powers and Susan The Lying Benghazi Grey Pearl Necklace and Baroque think they can negotiate with barbarians. It would be like teaching Koko the Signing Gorilla algorithms.

Posted by: ChristyBlinky, aging supermodel Redneck Queen at September 29, 2015 02:00 PM (LJ4iV)
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You know how to turn a phrase, indeed you do.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at September 29, 2015 09:07 AM (dFi94)

292 Nothing short of annihilation will stop Islam from trying to destroy us ... and we do not have the will to do that. Not as a country. Not even many of you. Certain not the ewok. The best thing we can do, what we used to do, is settle on giving them a dictator that knew not to screw with us ... then shut our damn western mouths when he took care of domestic business. History has proven, time and again, that it's much easier to replace a dictator gone rogue - which they always do - than try to make these people something they're not ... civilized.

Posted by: Irony at September 29, 2015 09:08 AM (9miVc)

293 >>Harry, as of 2009 our military was doing something to solve the problem. COIN was working, connecting with the locals, making friends, identifying foes, and allowing the troops to hit first before being hit. Combat losses were way down, unit morale was high, and our allies in-region trusted them. >>Obummer sure turned that situation around didn't he? Remember, the Golfer-in-Chief does not want an American victory. He does not want a Global War on (Islamic) Terrorism. Hell, he does not even want to use the word "terrorism" unless it can be applied to an AoS HQ member BBQ party. So if you think nothing is being done to solve the problems, you are 100% right. Bingo. In other words, he has retreated and pretending that by doing nothing we will be safe. Anyone want to take that bet? Tough, you are.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 29, 2015 09:08 AM (OGm46)

294 I hate Paulians with the heat of a thousand suns.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 29, 2015 09:08 AM (014lE)

295 The general of the army of Rome drives around in a Fiat! They have to love him! Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 29, 2015 02:07 PM (WlG0e) Yes, well, if you'll recall IS threatened to invade Italy not too long ago. And everyone who likes to talk out of their ass about peaceful Muslims scratched their head about it. People who aren't idiots realized that IS is trying to goad ITALY in to a war which is actually kind of funny.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 09:08 AM (AkOaV)

296 Navy slogan search in limbo amid advertising contract dispute Women in forward combat Units Transexuals Uniform Changes Bullshit touchie feelie couses instead of training G-D I'm slowy dying here Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 29, 2015 02:07 PM (gf8BH) ----- Hey!!!!! Were YOU wearing your PT belt when you typed that out.... hmmmmmm?

Posted by: fixerupper at September 29, 2015 09:08 AM (8XRCm)

297 Harry has Libertarianism ever been tested by harsh cold-- Reality?

Posted by: Your friendly Danube river guide at September 29, 2015 09:08 AM (mcm0N)

298 G-D I'm slowy dying here

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 29, 2015 02:07 PM (gf8BH)


Go to the Palm, eat a lobster, have a drink.

Posted by: Nip Sip at September 29, 2015 09:09 AM (jJRIy)

299 Pam Geller had it yesterday the uniform patch for US Amry fighting ISIS? looks exactly like the patch Muslim Brotherhood wears This is a big symbol and a big message. We work for Muslim Brotherhood. How do you like them apples

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 09:09 AM (zOTsN)

300 Head up your ass is a foreign policy, just not a successful one. But that is we have, for now. And there is nothing we can do about it. The 52% has spoken and we will have appeasement, red lines without enforcement, the pissing away of vast sums of money and American lives, and lies. Lots and lots of lies.
 
Thanks again, 52%. You picked a real winner.

Posted by: GnuBreed [/i] [/b] at September 29, 2015 09:10 AM (gyKtp)

301 You retarded sister-fucking redneck trash from Jesusland were warned and warned, but you didn't listen. He came to rule you, to break the out of control imperial system that turned AmeriKKKa into a rogue nation. To make sure it was AmeriKKKa's face ground in the dirt. To make AmeriKKKa taste that humiliation. To let the oppressed persons of Color around the world rejoice in THEIR victory. The historic first multiracial President is the Third World's spirit of vengeance striking for justice.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at September 29, 2015 09:10 AM (giapq)

302 40 Aaaaand the Mosin's are out of stock. I just don't have a use for one, but I'm happy for people who wanted one and got it. Posted by: Chupacabras at September 29, 2015 01:19 PM (XiVKO) Me either. None. The last thing I want to do, in any scenario, is play armorer at the Alamo handing out unfamiliar bolt-actions to the weaponless and Illinois does not have any long rifle seasons.

Posted by: 98ZJUSMC Staring at the Lake in the rain at September 29, 2015 09:10 AM (7rAXc)

303 Hey!!!!! Were YOU wearing your PT belt when you typed that out.... hmmmmmm? Posted by: fixerupper at September 29, 2015 02:08 PM (8XRCm) I actually know exactly where that is: Top left drawer. Sigh

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 29, 2015 09:11 AM (gf8BH)

304 I've always thought that the idea of the destruction of their eleventy holiest sites would be a good thing to hold over their heads.
But, reverence for islam. Sure, let the Christian churches be burned to rubble, but big muslim rocks are off limits.

This whole mentality of "We're better than that" only got a lot of good people killed.

Bomb 2 or 3 of these sites - hit them so hard that not one stone is on top of another.  Send that tape to Al Jazeera telling them to cut the crap immediately or there's a whole lot more of where that came from.  AND DO IT.
F*** good will, polls and anything else.  Break shit, blow it up, kill what ever gets in the way.

Posted by: OurCountryIsScrewed at September 29, 2015 09:11 AM (DlmoZ)

305 >>Has Baroque ever mentioned Christians being killed and tortured and in exile in the Middle East? Seriously. Has he? I admit to not ever, NEVER, listening to anything out of the pretender's purple lips No, never recognized the Christian genocide in progress. He always makes a point to tell us that Muslims there suffer the worst casualties.

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at September 29, 2015 09:11 AM (NOIQH)

306 Iraq will be one of Obama's greatest achievements!   Wait what..oh...ok.

Afghanistan will be one of Obama's greatest achievements.
Yeah that's the ticket.

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 29, 2015 09:11 AM (f+6Pd)

307 Go to the Palm, eat a lobster, have a drink. Posted by: Nip Sip at September 29, 2015 02:09 PM (jJRIy) I leave Thursday for 5 days and I intend to eat and drink well between work and 3 hours of sleep every night. Look out Virgina Beach

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 29, 2015 09:12 AM (gf8BH)

308 Mary I dont know if you meant to amuse but right now I want to grind your face into the dirt

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 09:12 AM (zOTsN)

309 >>> So how did Europe repel invaders in the past? They're very provincial, in a sense. You look at their towns - all on high hills or mountains, islands with walls, etc. Very few in valleys except in places like England. Basically, everybody hates everybody else, even just those from the next town over, and their architecture tells the story of that. I think Sardinia and Sicily are the only ones really still like that, though.

Posted by: Bigby's Atomic Elbow at September 29, 2015 09:12 AM (3ZtZW)

310 297 Harry has Libertarianism ever been tested by harsh cold-- Reality? Posted by: Your friendly Danube river guide at September 29, 2015 02:08 PM (mcm0N) I have literally no idea what you're talking about. If you're talking about the foreign policy that everyone from George Washington to Charles Lindbergh believed in about trying to minimize foreign interventionism, yes. It's been tried many times by many countries across the world with a fairly high success rate. Not until the First Progressive Era and the Spanish American War did that idea even become controversial. Then, of course, WWI and WWII. And, as you know, before Pearl Harbor, anyone who was against getting involved in WWII was considered a Nazi lover, except for the actual progressives who believe in Nazism, who were totally cool in the eyes of the media and the D party.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 09:12 AM (AkOaV)

311 "The terrorists plan on killing several hundred million people." How many people on the planet? Four, six billion. Hunert mill is a rounding error. If they want a nuclear armageddon, we should give them what they want. Oh, right, disproportionate response. We have to wait until they nuke us first before we fight back. Marques of Queensbury rules. In the Torah there is a saying, "If someone is going to kill you then get up early and kill him first."

Posted by: Hayfield Volkovski at September 29, 2015 09:12 AM (FETr8)

312 >>>> How do you like them apples ----- Come on now. thunderB. Let's not bring MATT DAMON!!! into this discussion.

Posted by: L, Elle at September 29, 2015 09:13 AM (2x3L+)

313 I hope every motherfucker that voted for the SCOAMT suffers horribly. Unfortunately, a whole lot of us that didn't will be suffering just as horribly.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 29, 2015 09:13 AM (zyIlW)

314 My head hurts listening to some of the arguments here.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 29, 2015 09:13 AM (gf8BH)

315 No, never recognized the Christian genocide in progress. He always makes a point to tell us that Muslims there suffer the worst casualties. Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2015 02:11 PM (NOIQH) Meanwhile the Pope, you know who leads Catholic Christianity, drones on about how bad ac units are or whatever. I wonder what would happen if a high ranking church official called for a defense of Christendom and churches in the holy land by volunteers. Perhaps the west is too post Christian to field such a force.

Posted by: Jollyroger at September 29, 2015 09:14 AM (t06LC)

316 292 Nothing short of annihilation will stop Islam from trying to destroy us ... and we do not have the will to do that. Not as a country. Not even many of you. Certain not the ewok.

The best thing we can do, what we used to do, is settle on giving them a dictator that knew not to screw with us ... then shut our damn western mouths when he took care of domestic business. History has proven, time and again, that it's much easier to replace a dictator gone rogue - which they always do - than try to make these people something they're not ... civilized.
Posted by: Irony at September 29, 2015 02:08 PM (9miVc)


In retrospect I think my support for the Iraq war, even w/o need for WMD being found there, based solely on the brutality of Saddam against his people was ill-conceived.  If we are not down with victory, WW1 and WW2 style, containment of brutal dictators is about the best rational option.  

Posted by: rebel flounder at September 29, 2015 09:14 AM (1DH1V)

317 under this POTUS the US military is the army of Muslim Brotherhood

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 09:14 AM (zOTsN)

318 Perhaps the west is too post Christian to field such a force. Most definitely. Liberals would be screaming about equivalence.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 29, 2015 09:15 AM (WlG0e)

319 I wonder...... ... do you guys think that we could raise a little backbone from Obama if somebody could tell him that ISIS are actually *Republicans*??? That might spur him to actually wiping them out.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 29, 2015 09:15 AM (8XRCm)

320 Ask the chechens how he feels about muslim aggression.

Posted by: Jollyroger at September 29, 2015 02:07 PM (t06LC)

 

Ask the Russian press how Putin feels about curious reporters who somehow end up curiously dead or disappeared.   Ask imprisoned and tortured dissidents how he feels about dissent.  Ask Ukrainians and Georgians and Moldovans how he feels about taking what he wants whenever the hell he wants and killing whomever gets in his way.  That radiation poisoning trick readily identifiable as a Russian hit?   Putin's idea.  He's a peach, all right.

Posted by: troyriser at September 29, 2015 09:16 AM (fnCax)

321 President Obama on Tuesday pledged all possible tools military, intelligence and economic to defeat the Islamic State group, but acknowledged the extremist group has taken root in Syria and Iraq, is resilient and continues to expand. ??? He has the balls to say that when he is largely responsible for that? What a cock sucker

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 29, 2015 09:16 AM (gf8BH)

322 Broadswords, longbows, triremes, Greek fire, catapults, trebuchets, stone walls, lots and lots of public executions. They just gave the Irish whiskey . . .problem solved

Posted by: McCool at September 29, 2015 09:16 AM (nCSwS)

323 Guess this means that the belief by the squishes of both parties that people living with a seventh-century mindset are ready to accept values of the Enlightenment is proven false.

Posted by: Ever at September 29, 2015 09:16 AM (QZdJj)

324 Idiots who keep saying I told you Iraq was a mistake are like kids who killed their parents complaining about being orphans. They are the who prematurely demanded we get out of Iraq and Afghanistan which is why we are in the mess we are in now.

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 29, 2015 09:16 AM (014lE)

325 Remember when Obummer got caught on-mike telling Putin that after the election he would have more leeway? remember how we all wondered "leeway to do what?" After catching up on the news with Putin moving into the Middle East in greater strength than the entirety of the Cold War, I am getting a clue...
 

Posted by: exdem13 at September 29, 2015 09:17 AM (ry4ab)

326 317, Which is why any parent that allows their kid to join under this administration is nuts. Sorry if that pisses some off, but there it is. When our military is wearing a patch that resembles the enemy's...

Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 29, 2015 09:17 AM (zyIlW)

327 under this POTUS the US military is the army of Muslim Brotherhood

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 02:14 PM (zOTsN)


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You can imagine how well that goes over with Military Chaplains. Well, actually, the muslim ones are pretty okay with that.

Posted by: grammie winger, watching the fig tree at September 29, 2015 09:17 AM (dFi94)

328 Perhaps the west is too post Christian to field such a force. Most definitely. Liberals would be screaming about equivalence. They CAN be added to the body count. Just sayin'.

Posted by: rickb223 at September 29, 2015 09:17 AM (uyrlv)

329 That Army patch is unbelievable. WTF?

Posted by: Lizzy[/i] at September 29, 2015 09:18 AM (NOIQH)

330 The stalled 2016 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) has been reconciled by House and Senate conferees, and a conference report is due imminently, Senate Armed Services Chair John McCain confirmed Tuesday. Though McCain did not say negotiations were complete, he said an announcement is expected this afternoon an expected end to wrangling over differences between the House and Senate versions of the bill, which in recent weeks included military pay and benefits, acquisition reform, and plans to close Guantanamo Bay. Sigh: Can't wait to see this doozy. I wonder how bad we got fucked by that senile old bastard from AZ and the RINOs on this one?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at September 29, 2015 09:18 AM (gf8BH)

331 And, as you know, before Pearl Harbor, anyone who was against getting involved in WWII was considered a Nazi lover, except for the actual progressives who believe in Nazism, who were totally cool in the eyes of the media and the D party.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 02:12 PM (AkOaV)

 

Just so we're clear here, are you saying the United States should've remained neutral during WWII?

Posted by: troyriser at September 29, 2015 09:19 AM (fnCax)

332 @320 Oh no, Vlad isn't a good guy. No question about that at all. I can see a scenario though where he volunteers Russian forces (especially in the eastern bloc states) to stem the migrant tide to earn goodwill and set them back in a more Russia centric orbit. If I'm Hungary or Poland, I start looking around wondering who the weak horse is. Its precisely that Putin is a bad guy that makes it more likely he'd stand up to the muslim "invaders"

Posted by: Jollyroger at September 29, 2015 09:19 AM (t06LC)

333 When Plato said, "Only the dead have seen the end of war," I believe he said it as a comment on the arrogance of the Greeks. They, like every successful society, believed that they had achieved, by their own merit, the pinnacle of civilization and that they had, again by virtue of their lofty merit, defeated the animal man (human nature). It is clear to me, that liberals, progressives, socialists, feel the same way about themselves and about their own (the whole of the left's) achievements - mainly intellectually. They've achieved that higher level of thinking that primal man (those who are not progressives) have yet to achieve, and probably never will. Whether Plato meant it as a comment on the arrogance of the lofty thinkers or not, his statement as it stands, is no less true today than it was then.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at September 29, 2015 09:20 AM (BZAd3)

334 Hey, I've got a great idea. Let's go into a couple of countries, conquer the shit out of them, then let them write sharia law into their shiny new constitutions with our blessings.

Posted by: GnuBreed [/i] [/b] at September 29, 2015 09:20 AM (gyKtp)

335 One thing we could do advance our cause is to quit aborting our babies. Say what you will about Islam, but they are not aborting their offspring and selling the parts. No, they are having large families.

Posted by: navybrat at September 29, 2015 09:21 AM (ETxiG)

336 The   West   needs     to do to the    cult of death what they did to smallpox.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at September 29, 2015 09:21 AM (oEDuY)

337 Obama is like a modern-day Gandhi, if Gandhi had been a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: Fritz at September 29, 2015 09:22 AM (UzPAd)

338 320 Posted by: troyriser at September 29, 2015 02:16 PM (fnCax)

I prefer him to Giggles...

Putin loves his culture and hates the Opfor's.

Posted by: Sven S Blade a.k.a. El Assassin@sven10077[/i][/b][/s] at September 29, 2015 09:22 AM (g8Hfr)

339
Limbaugh just played an audio clip of Bill Crystal of the Weekly Standard who noted how impressive it is that Trump is LEARNING out on the stump.

Crystal even went so far as to say that he's actually worried about other candidates - and he mentioned Rubio specifically - that they aren't learning fast enough and that they should take a lesson from.... (wait for it) ... Trump.

Now recall that Crystal is in the anybody-but-Trump camp.


Posted by: Trump Super Fan at September 29, 2015 09:22 AM (l2dSQ)

340 334 Hey, I've got a great idea. Let's go into a couple of countries, conquer the shit out of them, then let them write sharia law into their shiny new constitutions with our blessings. And we can write rules of engagement that treat their religion like it's fantastic, but ignore little things like systemic boy rape by our allies. We'll even lecture Americans back home that they shouldn't burn the muslim holy book, because servile deference will convince the muslims to abandon their militancy.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 29, 2015 09:23 AM (WlG0e)

341 321 President Obama on Tuesday pledged all possible tools military, intelligence and economic to defeat the Islamic State group, but acknowledged the extremist group has taken root in Syria and Iraq, is resilient and continues to expand.

???

He has the balls to say that when he is largely responsible for that? What a cock sucker
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Nothing is ever Obummer's fault. Just ask everyone at MS-NDC. I don't think Obummer wants to stop ISIS. I think Obummer is just peachy with ISIS taking over half the Arab Middle East while the other half grovels to a nuclear-armed Iran. But he will never say that in public. Like Rush has said, if most of the people on the Left ran on platforms they actually believed, they would never win an election.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 29, 2015 09:23 AM (ry4ab)

342 to civilians in the horde, those patches are pretty meaningful. Tells people what command, what is your unit, what is your job, where are you deployed It isnt just a design. It is meant to cimmunicate important information at a glace to whomever you encounter on duty and this patch more or less says Muslim Brotherhood that is not an accident. somebody chose that

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 09:23 AM (zOTsN)

343 See I think that's too long. Staying that long means staying long enough for an Obama, Carter, or Clinton to get in office and screw everything up. Its also more money and blood than they deserve from us.


Ding Ding Ding!
We have a winner! I've been thinking this way for a few years; the problem isn't an unbeatable enemy, impossible nation building or even the will of the electorate. The problem is the enemy within. Which leaves us with necessary military actions with a built in shelf life.

Call it the Typo Doctrine; If you can't get it done in 4 to 8 years, don't do it.

Posted by: typo dynamofo at September 29, 2015 09:24 AM (i7JE3)

344 >>If you're talking about the foreign policy that everyone from George Washington to Charles Lindbergh believed in about trying to minimize foreign interventionism, yes. It's been tried many times by many countries across the world with a fairly high success rate. >>Not until the First Progressive Era and the Spanish American War did that idea even become controversial. Then, of course, WWI and WWII. Have you ever heard the phrase "Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute"? If not you should google it. It was stated just a bit before WWII and it was in direct contrast to George Washington's failed policy of paying tribute to the Barbary (read Muslim) Pirates to get them to stop attacking and enslaving American sailors. So no, not everyone since Washington believed in hiding and paying off terrorists to leave us alone. In fact, Washington's policy failed and the attacks only stopped when military force was used to stop them. That was just a bit before WWI.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 29, 2015 09:24 AM (OGm46)

345 Of all the candidates, Donald Trump is the most likely to napalm Mecca if they attack New York again.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 29, 2015 09:24 AM (WlG0e)

346 ThunderB, Yep.

Posted by: SMFH at it all at September 29, 2015 09:24 AM (zyIlW)

347 Yes, we need to cut spending and we can start with all the money being dumped to Obama cronies in the green buisness scam.


The we can hit the bribes going to inner city shit holes.

Posted by: Vic[/i]-we have no party at September 29, 2015 09:25 AM (t2KH5)

348 Tsk ... Tsk ... Tsk ... SMFH - One must not say such things aloud. "Keep your kids out of the military" indeed. I'm sure the board will enlighten you on your long-haired hippy-type pinko fagdom shortly.

Posted by: Irony at September 29, 2015 09:25 AM (9miVc)

349 WTF, it shifted to other thread.

Posted by: Vic[/i]-we have no party at September 29, 2015 09:25 AM (t2KH5)

350 those patches are designed and have to be approved at a pretty high level lots of generals saw that patch and approved it

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 09:26 AM (zOTsN)

351 348 Tsk ... Tsk ... Tsk ... SMFH - One must not say such things aloud. "Keep your kids out of the military" indeed. I'm sure the board will enlighten you on your long-haired hippy-type pinko fagdom shortly. I'd be worried my son would be raped by a commanding officer nowadays.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 29, 2015 09:26 AM (WlG0e)

352 One huge problem that we have is that we are Russia when Reagan/Thatcher defeated them in the cold war. A bright side to our situation is that Russia is also Russia when we defeated them, and it looks like China is also Russia when we defeated them. A bunch of losers getting ready to go toe-to-toe in a global war. Sounds like a plot to a D comedy movie.

Posted by: Semper In Stercus at September 29, 2015 09:28 AM (BZAd3)

353 Of all the candidates, Donald Trump is the most likely to napalm Mecca if they attack New York again. Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at September 29, 2015 02:24 PM (WlG0e) ___________________ What am I? Chopped liver?

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 29, 2015 09:29 AM (HSmrB)

354 Is President Sentient Cockroach aware that pretty much the whole world holds him in contempt? I mean apart from the MSM and the leadership of the Republican Party.

Posted by: Northernlurker at September 29, 2015 09:30 AM (4rzL1)

355 Just so we're clear here, are you saying the United States should'veremained neutral during WWII? Posted by: troyriser at September 29, 2015 02:19 PM (fnCax) I'm in the new thread, but yes. Up to when we were attacked at Pearl Harbor and war was declared on us by both Japan (and shortly thereafter by Germany), at which point we had no option but to kick ass and take names. I think that was handled correctly. But no, we should not have gotten involved earlier.

Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 09:31 AM (AkOaV)

356 Snowden on Twitter today Putin trolling us so fucking hard right now

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2015 09:31 AM (zOTsN)

357 333 When Plato said, "Only the dead have seen the end of war," I believe he said it as a comment on the arrogance of the Greeks. They, like every successful society, believed that they had achieved, by their own merit, the pinnacle of civilization and that they had, again by virtue of their lofty merit, defeated the animal man (human nature).

It is clear to me, that liberals, progressives, socialists, feel the same way about themselves and about their own (the whole of the left's) achievements - mainly intellectually. They've achieved that higher level of thinking that primal man (those who are not progressives) have yet to achieve, and probably never will.
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The problems of this world will never go away, or thus meant Plato. The Greek city-states were warlike, and frequently resorted to arms to win what they were unable or unwilling to gain by diplomacy or trade (Note how the Greeks had no god whose domain was peace?) So any nation, Greek or not, would always be tempted to go to war, or have to resist another nation so tempted.

The Left is stuck in the Star Trek fantasy (mostly Next Generation) that eventually civilization can become logical and rational enough to allegedly grow out of war and other discontents. As a Doctor Who fan though I should like to point out that Davros was very logical when he constructed the Daleks. Very logical and rational creatures, those Daleks.


Posted by: exdem13 at September 29, 2015 09:33 AM (ry4ab)

358 Obama is like a modern-day Gandhi, if Gandhi had been a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: Fritz at September 29, 2015 02:22 PM (UzPAd)

 

That's just awesome. 

Posted by: troyriser at September 29, 2015 09:40 AM (fnCax)

359
   I think it's so cute that those who advocate against the military in various ways are so comfortable basking in the protection  selflessly provided BY that military.

    But let's cut them some more, and continue to betray them.

Posted by: irongrampa at September 29, 2015 09:43 AM (jeCnD)

360 "He came to teach us all a lesson about American impotency."



Not to mention "stupidity."

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i][/b][/s][/u] at September 29, 2015 09:47 AM (oKE6c)

361 Posted by: Harry Paratestes, the artist formally known as mynewhandle at September 29, 2015 02:31 PM (AkO So if Germany didn't declare war on us we should have stayed out of Europe since Pearl Harbor had nothing to do with them. Is that what you're saying?

Posted by: Max Rockatansky at September 29, 2015 09:54 AM (014lE)

362 Just got really sad news from one of the 4Ms. For you super smart morons, you'll recognize the term from the fabulous book, "A Flowershop in Baghdad". The 4 Ms were the first four Iraqi students aviation qualified in the Iraqi Air Force training pipeline we helped establish. They came from a group of 11 young men who graduated Baghdad university, then took the huge risk of signing up to serve in the Iraqi Air Force, instantly earning a bounty on their heads from the Iranians. They learned English with one earpiece off, in order to hear incoming mortars and rockets. They withstood poisoning, no pay, and continuous death threats. And they all graduated. One of them is flying the new Iraqi Vipers, one is flying Hueys, and the others are flying ISR missions. Here's the bad part. The "A" in the 4Ms (read the book) has contacted me. He wanted to thank us for our help in 2008. But then, as the conversations continued, I asked him about how it was going over there. He gave me a pretty long answer. Short Version. He is worried that the US created ISIS to break Iraq and the Middle East apart. He cites Hillary Clinton's "Hard Choices". HE may have forgotten about Joe Biden, but we should all be so lucky. He says Iraq tried to buy Apaches; we said it would take over three years. The Russians delivered Mi28s, 35s plus maintenance and ground crew in 10 months. He cites missed air drops to ISIS in Bayji, Hawija Tikrit and Ramadi; he cites "mistargeting" and strikes on Iraqi Army positions. And they all know of American "technology and profission"(sic). And he talks about the Iran nuke deal. The Americans were actually going to kick him out because he had distant relatives in Iran. Now, he says that they are our friends. Make no mistake. Before we start bashing on the Iraqi military, though, re-read what this kid went through. Risked his life countless times, just to align himself with us. He is constantly risking his life, and that of his new family flying missions in his own country. When we are losing him...... The Democrat legacy. Destroying the worlds trust in the US? Handicapping the military? Destabilizing the Middle East? Yes we can.

Posted by: MikeB at September 29, 2015 10:02 AM (UBeOl)

363 maybe he can tweet them to death....

Posted by: Yahump at September 29, 2015 11:13 AM (+Awp3)

364

Obama did not come to end wars; he came to lose them.

He came to teach us all a lesson about American impotency.


Mission Accomplished!!!!

Posted by: Buck O'Fama at September 29, 2015 11:22 AM (WjUTD)

365 What, me worry?

Posted by: Barky McFukcstick at September 29, 2015 12:26 PM (xudgf)

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