July 31, 2007

Surprise: ARG Poll Shows Rudy Ahead In NH, Iowa
— Ace

J-Pod mentioning it in a "highly conditional tone" given some people's skepticism about ARG.

Assuming it's true -- or at least mostly true, i.e., Rudy is either tied or nearly tied with Romney for the lead and may overtake him any day now -- that would pretty much seal the deal for Rudy, given his popularity in Florida. Thompson would have to work mighty hard indeed to displace the guy who's ahead in the national polls as well as the important early primary states.

I think Thompson could do it, but it wouldn't be the old math of Thompson stepping in and becoming the front-runner. He'd merely be a second-placer with a good chance.

Posted by: Ace at 09:18 AM | Comments (27)
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1 Rudy's not going to win Florida.  Knocking Romney out of the race early would seal it for Fred.

Posted by: someone at July 31, 2007 09:19 AM (eCH82)

2 (And by "it" I don't mean Florida but the whole ball of wax.)

Posted by: someone at July 31, 2007 09:20 AM (eCH82)

3 2004:  Howard Dean polled well too.  Until the only polls that matter, that is.

Posted by: cadrys at July 31, 2007 09:22 AM (eYKMM)

4 Jpod would quote a poll taken by Paris Hilton Inc. if it were advantage Rudy. A definite bonus if it was negative for Romney. 

Posted by: polynikes at July 31, 2007 09:27 AM (m2CN7)

5

Here's some fascist fashion news for you Rethuglicans:


 


http://www.boingboing.net/2007/07/30/tsas_gonna_love_this.html


 


Halliburton! Wingnuts! Ice cream!!


Posted by: DimBimbo at July 31, 2007 09:33 AM (WTn2v)

6 The 2nd amendment thing really sours me on Rudy.

Posted by: Retired Geezer at July 31, 2007 09:36 AM (6B8K9)

7 Rudy is the dream candidate for a party that doesn't exist.

Posted by: a4g at July 31, 2007 09:49 AM (bfr28)

8

You know what sours me on Romney? He opposed the Cape Wind project, just like Ted Kennedy and for the same reason: Because some rich and powerful people didn't want to see windmills 6 miles out at sea.


I'm not even sure I could vote for him if he were the nominee, is how bad that sticks in my throat.


Posted by: spongeworthy at July 31, 2007 09:55 AM (uSomN)

9

Sponge, If I were living or visiting the Cape, I certainly would have the opinion that these windmills take away from the asthetics of this location icon so I can see Romney's point if you take him at his word.


This is from a pro windmill site.


 Link


Posted by: polynikes at July 31, 2007 10:05 AM (m2CN7)

10 Romney is a perfect 20th century candidate, a Republican answer to Clinton.

But we're going to need 21st century resources to win.

I do think Fred is making a mistake by dropping out of sight personally for this long since going semi-official.  But in the end, it's still his to lose.

Posted by: someone at July 31, 2007 10:06 AM (eCH82)

11

We put our windmills out in West Texas where nobody gives a shit.


And it's windy.  I almost forgot that part.


Posted by: Dave in Texas at July 31, 2007 10:13 AM (pzen5)

12 We put ours up on a hill up in the northern part of the state.

Nothin' but moose and semi-Canadians up there anyway.

Posted by: Slublog at July 31, 2007 10:14 AM (R8+nJ)

13

Poly, the aesthetic argument against Cape Wind was not compelling, IMO. What's worse, it was an opportunity for him to show some leadership, to explain the tradeoff even if he ultimately opposed the project. Instead he skulked around to his rich friends and assured them their view would remain pristine and their sailing undisturbed by unseemly tacking around wind farms.


Maybe he was concerned a drunken Kennedy might tack right into the blades and get swatted into orbit.


 


Posted by: spongeworthy at July 31, 2007 10:23 AM (uSomN)

14

Maybe he was concerned certain a drunken Kennedy might tack right into the blades and get swatted into orbit.


Fixed that for ya.


Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at July 31, 2007 10:29 AM (WTn2v)

15

>>Maybe he was concerned a drunken Kennedy might tack right into the blades and get swatted into orbit.


If this is true, I admire Romney's compassion for Extra-terrestrials.


Posted by: Tushar D at July 31, 2007 10:30 AM (IlgNp)

16 I might would agree with you sponge about the tradeoff if the efficiency of wind power was anywhere close to a nuclear plant or coal fire plant.  I look at it the same way as if they would propose putting a wind farm off of Key West or in Yellowstone park. I consider the Cape part of America the Beautiful.  Its not about the rich for me, its about the location and some locations should be preserved.  Granted many of the residents probably only have selfish and not in my backyard reasons and wouldn't mind if a farm was installed in Yellowstone.  

Posted by: polynikes at July 31, 2007 10:42 AM (m2CN7)

17 Maybe he was concerned a drunken Kennedy might tack right into the blades and get swatted into orbit.

That right there is enough to sink his chances to the nomination.

Posted by: Mr Minority at July 31, 2007 10:48 AM (NJi0O)

18

The site of that particular wind farm was not such a treasure as they make it out. Basically it was seashore like any other. Nothing special about it except that rich people looked out that way, and the windmills were 6 miles out! If you consider all seashore to be off limits, that's one thing. But you'd have to be pretty persuasive to convince me that particular piece should be exempt.


And windmills are extremely efficient as they make power out of a free resource. The knock on them is that they do not always give you juice when you need it. But they do well offshore on hot days and during the winter, when New Englanders use a lot of electricity.


Posted by: spongeworthy at July 31, 2007 11:15 AM (uSomN)

19

The site of that particular wind farm was not such a treasure as they make it out.


I thought it was the Nantucket Sound which I thought was considered one of our most historic and well known shorelines.  What do I know, I get all my information about the Cape from watching reruns of Wings.


Posted by: polynikes at July 31, 2007 11:39 AM (m2CN7)

20 Maybe he was concerned a drunken Kennedy might tack right into the blades and get swatted into orbit.

I think he would be more concerned that Kennedy wouldn't quite make it to orbit. And thus humanity would go the way of the dinosaurs.

What goes up must come down, after all.

Posted by: Nick at July 31, 2007 11:44 AM (dAr2P)

21 It is in the Sound, just not off the Cape Cod National Seashore. I'm pretty sure the beaches there are all private property and not accessible to us proles. Anybody who's taken the Wodd's Hole ferry has cruised right past the site.

Posted by: spongeworthy at July 31, 2007 11:50 AM (uSomN)

22 >>I thought it was the Nantucket Sound which I thought was considered one of our most historic and well known shorelines. What do I know, I get all my information about the Cape from watching reruns of Wings.

Your exactly right. It's right smack dab in the middle of Nantucket Sound, which, if you happen to live here, you know is not just a preserve of the rich and famous.

The majority of Cape residents, the people who would benefit from the energy generated from these windmills, have always been against this project. While there are plenty of rich people on the Cape, there are a lot more middle and lower middle class.

The economics and spoilage of some of the best fishing and boating water in MA have never made sense except to the owners of the project. If they wanted cheaper power, they could have thrown up another nuclear plant just like the one sitting in Plymouth Harbor. The anti-nuclear crowd is the one holding that up.

Posted by: JackStraw at July 31, 2007 01:29 PM (t+mja)

23 Windmills sure look good on those "Visit Holland" advertisements...maybe an attitude change is in order.

Posted by: Aaron at August 01, 2007 07:59 AM (jGCMW)

24

Jack, take another look at those polls. Those opposed to the project are rich, those in favor not so rich. That's the Cape Cod paper's own poll, too, and they have opposed the project from the start. Other polls show majorities on the Cape and islands favor the project.


Also, I have never heard before that the location was any great fishing spot. It's not very deep, for one thing, or they couldn't put the windmills in.


If you can get more nukes into New England, more power to you. Oil-fired plants have been nothing but trouble on the Cape and gas is too unpredictable, so something's gotta give.


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