September 30, 2012
— Open Blogger
Good morning morons and moronettes and welcome to the slanderous, but not-yet beheaded Sunday Morning Book Thread.
Islam and Free Speech
Following ace's brilliant and insightful post earlier this week on the normative power of law , I went to look for books that extolled the virtues of not fapping. No, not really. But it brought to mind the time when I tried it, and we're talking back when I was a much younger man, 30-35 years ago. I put myself on a strict "no pr0n/no fap" regimen and it lasted about a month. Toward the end, I found myself writing letters to women I used to know in college, nothing sexual or propositioning or anything like that, the letters were just hi, how are you, haven't seen you for awhile, I'd like to see you again, etc. And then I couldn't hold out any more and then afterwards, I felt silly for having written those letters, even though at the time, it seemed like a perfectly healthy and natural thing to do. It was very unsettling when I realized that what I had thought was a purely physical act could have such a profound effect on my thought processes.
But, I digress. That's probably way too much information for a book thread. But if ace really has been "exercising a little restraint" all month long, I think I know what he's going through.
I didn't look for books about the evils of fapping, but rather books that explored the collision between the religion of Islam and American traditions of free speech and 1st Amendment rights, that have lately been under assault. There's lots of books about the Islamic concept of jihad itself, but not so much specifically on this sub-topic, which is relatively new (although if I were a Christian evangelist in Dearborn, Michigan, I suppose I might disagree). I am afraid that there have been many similiar incidents, where some aspect of Islamic law gets enforced by proxy, that have flown under the radar and so I an unaware of.
And I think those evangelists eventually sued the city of Dearborn for constitutional rights violations and won a crap ton of money
Robert Spencer's Stealth Jihad: How Radical Islam is Subverting America without Guns or Bombs may be as close as we have right now on this issue.
The Al Qaeda Reader: The Essential Texts of Osama Bin Laden's Terrorist Organization by Raymond Ibrahim (Forward by Victor Davis Hanson) is a good way to get it directly from the horse's mouth, so to speak. B&N has used copies for $0.79, so this may be the deal of the year.
Of course, if you really want it from the horse's mouth, try Milestones by Seyyid Qutb. Qutb was an Egyptian academic who vusited the United States in 1948-50 and was scandalized and appalled by the American way of life, and by that I mean unchaperoned females, sock hops and jazz music. These things spurred him on to become one the architects of jihad. He never personally planted any bombs or murdered any innocent civilians, but his books provided the theoretical background for those that did and do. He is said to be the main influences on Osama bin Laden. Qutb was jailed and eventually executed by Nasser's government in 1966. The Kindle edition of Milestones is < $7, so I'm kind of tempted to pick this one up myself.
And for promoting jihad, there's nothing like having a bloated Saudi oil tic sue your ass for libel in a British Court to stop your book about the sources of jihad funding from continuing to be published -- and succeeding.
Of course, how could I forget the indispensible Mark Steyn, whose book America Alone got his ass sued in Canada, or rather, the usual stooges of political correctness, allied with Canadian Islamic Congress, tried to get it declared a "hate crime". Hell, they probably wanted to get Mark Steyn declared a hate crime, but I don't suppose they were able to. Steyn is selling it along with a pamphlet by the New Criterion called, appropriately enough, Free Speech In An Age Of Jihad which includes contributions from a variety of authors such as Stanley Kurtz, Andy McCarthy, Ezra Levant and Ibn Warraq. This is from 2008, and I can't seem to find it on the New Criterion website. Although audio from the conference upon which it is based on is available here.
On a side note, it is grimly amusing to me that the same rat bastard commies, and commie stooges, and commie lickspittles who spent the entire Cold War justifying and running interference for Soviet Union (and its various "mini-me" regimes in Cuba, North Vietnam, Nicaragua, etc.) are doing pretty much same thing even now -- only this time the knobs they're fervently gobbling belong to jihadi thug terrorists. Gee, it's like they hate the West or something.
A recommendation from moron "Hitch Aride" of a book by a truly amazing man. Reach for the Sky: The Story of Douglas Bader, Legless Ace of the Battle of Britain:
Douglas Bader was a legend in his lifetime. After losing both legs in an air crash in 1931 and being dismissed as a cripple by the Royal Air Force, he fought his way back into the cockpit of a Spitfire to become one of the great heroes of the Battle of Britain. This inspiring biography of the famous World War II fighter pilot, first published in 1954, has a following of faithful readers who come back to the book time and again to re-read, share with their children and pass along to friends. Not many books have made such an impact on people's lives. Bader's story is so extraordinary that no one would dare invent it, and Brickhill succeeds in matching the excitement of Bader's war deeds with the triumph of his greater battle over a severe handicap. Told he would never walk without a cane, Bader learned to dance, swim, golf, and play tennis. Told he would never fly again, he became not only one of the RAF's top combat pilots but a squadron leader and innovator of fighter tactics that helped win the Battle of Britain. Among the thrilling incidents chronicled in the book are Bader's first successful encounter with an enemy plane, his own shoot down, and his succession of escapes from German prisons.
The balls on that guy. Seriously.
As always, book thread tips may be sent to firstname.lastname@example.org
So what have you all been reading this week?
The stuff I am reading now is just re-reading because there is some new stuff I want but they are still charging far too much for the Kindle version and I refuse to pay for it. Its their right to charge all the market will bear and its my right as part of the market to slow down what it will bear.
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 06:04 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: eman at September 30, 2012 06:05 AM (Wp4rQ)
Posted by: akornzombie at September 30, 2012 06:05 AM (RTRO5)
Posted by: akornzombie at September 30, 2012 06:06 AM (RTRO5)
Declare Islam a subversive political movement because that is what it is and get rid of them. Also remove ourselves from every country that has adapted an Islamic theocracy.
And I gather this is not going to be much of a book thread this week.
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 06:09 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Ruby at September 30, 2012 06:12 AM (vt4Ip)
Posted by: steevy at September 30, 2012 06:13 AM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 06:15 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: steevy at September 30, 2012 06:15 AM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 30, 2012 06:16 AM (d/5qf)
Posted by: steevy at September 30, 2012 06:17 AM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 30, 2012 06:17 AM (Vdd8W)
Vic, still reading the Winston Churchill WWII series you reccomended.
Yes, still on The Gathering Storm
Posted by: fluffy at September 30, 2012 06:17 AM (z9HTb)
I may have said something about him writing it, but I am probably not the one who recommended it since I have never read it myself.
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 06:19 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Tmitsss at September 30, 2012 06:19 AM (qTeeA)
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at September 30, 2012 06:20 AM (+tqYo)
Posted by: Tuna at September 30, 2012 06:20 AM (M/TDA)
Posted by: Lauren at September 30, 2012 06:20 AM (wsGWu)
Posted by: Adam at September 30, 2012 06:21 AM (/YJYi)
Yeah, fapping can really become an addiction just like booze or drugs.
Posted by: chemjeff at September 30, 2012 06:21 AM (d/5qf)
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 06:24 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Katy Beth at September 30, 2012 06:24 AM (h0lvD)
Posted by: Katy Beth at September 30, 2012 06:26 AM (h0lvD)
She references a book by John Adams, A Defence of the Constitutions of Government of the United States of America, Volume I, (London, 1787), and when I could not find it at Gutenberg I looked on Google Books. Turns out there are three volumes, all free in pdf format. At this rate I'll have to live forever to get through all this reading.
Posted by: Retread at September 30, 2012 06:27 AM (zxitI)
It really is time to do some "reform" and I do not mean more damned amnesty.
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 06:28 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at September 30, 2012 06:29 AM (RZ8pf)
If that is the one I am thinking about our library had it and I read it. Great book.
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 06:29 AM (YdQQY)
You mentioned it as a cheap download for Kindle. $11.94 for the six volume set. Looks like it is back up to $6.59 for just one.
Posted by: fluffy at September 30, 2012 06:30 AM (z9HTb)
Posted by: BornLib at September 30, 2012 06:31 AM (zpNwC)
Posted by: s☺mej☼e at September 30, 2012 06:32 AM (HNn1q)
Posted by: Lauren at September 30, 2012 06:33 AM (wsGWu)
Posted by: fluffy at September 30, 2012 11:30 AM (z9HTb)
Oh OK, one of their daily/weekly specials. Yeah, I don't always get those myself. Although I did get that Rise and Fall book on a daily deal for $1.99. So even if I don't finish it it will not bother me too much.
Not like those two G.R.R. martin books my wife got me at $25 apiece which I couldn't get past first few chapters in book 1.
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 06:33 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Temper Tantrum at September 30, 2012 06:33 AM (AWmfW)
Debates like these get settled by war.
It is inevitable.
If only we could change the ROI's we could win that war!
Posted by: Infidel at September 30, 2012 06:36 AM (k7biU)
Posted by: Anachronda at September 30, 2012 06:36 AM (c16IJ)
Posted by: occam at September 30, 2012 06:37 AM (hgDJr)
Posted by: steevy at September 30, 2012 06:38 AM (6o4Fb)
Oh that is good! I haven't read it for years but I remember liking it because the Nazi invasion of the far north countries is more or less completely ignored now.
I've been reading Grave Mercy, pretty much your standard YA kick ass heroine book. It's very interesting though because it's set under the late 15th century and the background is the wars between Brittany and France. What's really striking is how *young* everyone is. It makes sense because the life span was what, 40s, maybe, so a 20 year old was middle aged. It's still strange to read about all the political intrigue and whatnot trying to get a political marriage set up for a 13 year old.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at September 30, 2012 06:39 AM (Gk3SS)
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 11:04 AM
I think you're being a little rough on Shirer, Vic. A great wordsmith he was not, but he managed to put a lot of stuff into a relatively small book. At least he did not suffer from the Ayn Rand Syndrome, in which every thought was beaten to death through endless repitition.
But I recommend that you find his Berlin Diary, which chronicles the rise of Hitler up to the beginning of WWII. A better read, IMO, and a more personal story of what was going on.
He can't touch the John Toland books about WWII, though.
Posted by: MrScribbler at September 30, 2012 06:40 AM (ZgX/g)
Posted by: s☺mej☼e at September 30, 2012 06:40 AM (HNn1q)
Posted by: OCBill at September 30, 2012 06:40 AM (MiSre)
You mentioned Churchill's series on WWII was on sale at the Kindle store for $1.99 each. I grabbed them up as well.
Finished the first, and yes, fluffy, it's a long read. It seems like Winston is retelling events at the same pace I'm which they happened. Very interesting, though.
Then I picked up the first two Sackett novels and and almost done with the second, To The Far Blue Mountains. Reminds me of The Walking Drum, which I loved.
Probably my favorite Louis L'Amour book was his autobiography, Education of a Wandering Man. Not only did he lead an amazing life, he recounts his constant love of reading, and lists the books he was reading during his constant travels. Worth picking up.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 30, 2012 06:41 AM (JDIKC)
Posted by: occam at September 30, 2012 11:37 AM (hgDJr)
Keyboards are fun toys, it seems.
Posted by: fluffy at September 30, 2012 06:42 AM (z9HTb)
Posted by: Infidel at September 30, 2012 06:43 AM (k7biU)
Sorry for the clumsy sentence. Wife was walking by in jeans and bra.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 30, 2012 06:44 AM (JDIKC)
I have ever book ever written by him. What a huge loss when he died.
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 06:44 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Paranoidgirlinseattle at September 30, 2012 06:45 AM (RZ8pf)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 30, 2012 06:47 AM (JDIKC)
Posted by: Billy Bob, psuedo intellectual at September 30, 2012 06:47 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: s☺mej☼e at September 30, 2012 06:48 AM (HNn1q)
Yup, Taken was PG-13. They push the line but it doesn't cross the line on saying fuck and it's within the guidelines for violence but not showing blood.
I was poking around comingsoon the other day and there was a what movie are you most looking forward to seeing poll and Taken 2 was in the lead by a lot. Apparently the plebes don't give a shit about how racist and bigoted the first one supposedly was.
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at September 30, 2012 06:50 AM (Gk3SS)
One of the cobs mentioned it earlier this week. You've convinced me.
You can pick it up used on Amazon for $0.30. Bastids want the same price for a Kindle download so I am making them ship and handle a paperback.
Posted by: fluffy at September 30, 2012 06:50 AM (z9HTb)
Sorry for the clumsy sentence. Wife was walking by in jeans and bra.
PICS!! Time for a nooner?
Posted by: Billy Bob, psuedo intellectual at September 30, 2012 06:51 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 30, 2012 11:47 AM (JDIKC)
Yes, big fan when I was younger. I went back after getting my Kendle and downloaded a bunch of the free ones but it just didn't seem like it was the same after reading LL.
BTW I have downloaded some of my favorite LL books for the Kendle. Most of what I have are in paperback and my old eyes have problems with those now.
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 06:51 AM (YdQQY)
>>Can we haz pointed elbowed cheerleaders now?
Sorry. That's Haram.
Posted by: Your Muslim Overlord at September 30, 2012 06:51 AM (kCXjW)
Posted by: Guy who says "Da Elbows!" at September 30, 2012 06:52 AM (/YJYi)
But who will run his blog?!
Posted by: andycanuck at September 30, 2012 06:53 AM (vDl/w)
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 06:53 AM (YdQQY)
>>Sorry for the clumsy sentence. Wife was walking by in jeans and bra.
I blame Brooke Shields.
Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2012 06:53 AM (kCXjW)
Posted by: Your Muslim Overlord at September 30, 2012 11:51 AM (kCXjW)
Posted by: Billy Bob, psuedo intellectual at September 30, 2012 06:53 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 06:54 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Billy Bob, psuedo intellectual at September 30, 2012 06:55 AM (wR+pz)
Posted by: s☺mej☼e at September 30, 2012 06:55 AM (HNn1q)
Posted by: steevy at September 30, 2012 06:55 AM (6o4Fb)
LAWFARE: THE WAR AGAINST FREE SPEECH http://tinyurl.com/9x6vxnw
It's at Amazon. It includes all the background you'll want on this issue. It was launched as a helpful guide for journalists who write about jihad and terrorism-- but, as things are moving in an advanced way these days, it pretty much now is applicable to everyone.
AND IF YOU'RE MORE THE VIDEO-WATCHING TYPE, former Pentagon intel analyst Stephen Coughlin has a series of videos on the nexus between Islamic law and terrorism. http://tinyurl.com/934jzgw
He explains the 'Milestones' process of Qutb and the Muslim Brotherhood in a video that's really brilliant. In another, he outlines the "Days of Rage" we are seeing now.
Posted by: Dave at September 30, 2012 06:56 AM (ulcUa)
But who will run his blog?!
AllenG has always wanted a blog.
Posted by: fluffy at September 30, 2012 06:57 AM (z9HTb)
Since this is an anti-fapping thread, with our Muslim overlords watching, I had to hide some cheerleaders in the link in my name.
Thank me later...
Posted by: prosqtor at September 30, 2012 06:57 AM (V0bLd)
Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter [/b][/i][/u] at September 30, 2012 06:58 AM (CA2NO)
Off to Mass, sinners. Be good
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at September 30, 2012 06:58 AM (xYgm6)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 30, 2012 06:59 AM (ZFXqT)
Posted by: s☺mej☼e at September 30, 2012 07:00 AM (HNn1q)
Or maybe not, let's try doing it the right way.
Posted by: prosqtor at September 30, 2012 07:00 AM (V0bLd)
Posted by: steevy at September 30, 2012 07:00 AM (6o4Fb)
When Bader was shot down, it was the most amazing incident. Unless compared to other parts of DB's life then its just average. An Me-109 collided with Bader's kite, cutting the tail off. So there's Douglas in half a plane and one of his tin legs gets hung up as he is trying to bail out. Finally aerodynamic forces part Bader from his leg as the leather straps parted. Then he had to pull the cord for his parachute and land on his other tin leg. So naturally the Krauts capture Bade and are amazed at him being one-legged. And as Bader is in the hospital, the Luftwaffe radios London that they can send Bader a new leg via the Red Cross. Desiring to avoid a PR win by Jerry, the new leg is packed in a box with goodies and then dropped out of a Blenheim during a bombing raid.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2012 07:01 AM (tCEP4)
Oh hell, I quit.
Here's the link: http://tinyurl.com/9zaahar
I was busy with work this week, so I read very little. I started Hunter Thompson's "Hell's Angels" and am looking forward to it but most of my reading has been later at night and his writing is difficult to read when tired.
Posted by: prosqtor at September 30, 2012 07:02 AM (V0bLd)
Posted by: chemjeff at September 30, 2012 11:16 AM (d/5qf)
You should get one, I love mine and you can read books on them too!
Posted by: Killerdog at September 30, 2012 07:02 AM (CZrbJ)
Posted by: steevy at September 30, 2012 07:03 AM (6o4Fb)
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 07:06 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: and irresolute at September 30, 2012 07:08 AM (JvklE)
Posted by: Comrade Arthur at September 30, 2012 07:09 AM (il+Xn)
Posted by: BornLib at September 30, 2012 07:09 AM (zpNwC)
Posted by: andycanuck at September 30, 2012 07:10 AM (vDl/w)
I look at Bader's life and how he would golf 36 rounds on tin legs. Then I look at that golfing loser who sued so him and his two flesh legs could use a cart. My respect for Bader goes way up.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2012 07:10 AM (tCEP4)
Deliberately chosen by the grandson of the Seventh Duke of Marlborough, no doubt.
Posted by: fluffy at September 30, 2012 07:14 AM (z9HTb)
The tale of him in the cockpit is recounted in the book. There is no picture in the paperback. Never seen a hardcover version of the book.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2012 07:14 AM (tCEP4)
I have also recently the Iron Druid series by Kevin Hearne. Very amusing and interesting spin on fantasy.
Posted by: MAJ O at September 30, 2012 07:14 AM (TwbSE)
Posted by: Tonestaple at September 30, 2012 07:15 AM (gvVlx)
Since civilization seems to be wrapping up these days, a little bit of reminiscing about the glory of what we were seemed to be in order.
Posted by: @PurpAv at September 30, 2012 07:15 AM (LPHGB)
One of the funders, behind much of this Salafist cultivation, is all but named in Daniel Silva's the Messenger, under another name, to avoid the lawsuits.
Posted by: archie goodwin at September 30, 2012 07:16 AM (ctjsq)
Posted by: The littl shyning man at September 30, 2012 07:17 AM (PH+2B)
Posted by: Beagle by phone at September 30, 2012 07:17 AM (sOtz/)
Posted by: Donna V. at September 30, 2012 07:18 AM (dcIHW)
I was busy with work this week, so I read very little. I started Hunter Thompson's "Hell's Angels" and am looking forward to it but most of my reading has been later at night and his writing is difficult to read when tired.
That's an interesting read. The last chapter really sums up the kind of people he's dealing with, though.
An interesting followup, if you're interesting in the whole biker gang thing, is Under and Alone by William Queen. Queen was an ATF agent who infiltrated the Mongols. The writing's much worse (Queen's not a professional writer, obviously) but the story is still interesting.
Posted by: Secundus at September 30, 2012 07:18 AM (t2Zxt)
Posted by: Tonestaple at September 30, 2012 07:19 AM (gvVlx)
Posted by: uncivil & right at September 30, 2012 07:19 AM (Bxl+g)
Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. We're not worthy. at September 30, 2012 07:20 AM (Gk3SS)
I had heard and read that this book is laughably bad. Sometimes you have to verify these things for yourself. I grabbed it.
Oh, my stars and garters. It is so unbelievably, profoundly, astonishingly bad that I began to worry everyone else in the house, who heard my groans of pain every time I turned a page. I finished it only out of a grim sense of wanting to determine in detail just how colossal a trainwreck it is, and wishing to count every obvious error I could find. (Lost count.) Probably one of the wretched books ever written and one of the worst I've ever read; a waste of time on an absolutely epic scale.
There's a whole fascinating history of secret U.S. military aviation development during the Cold War years, at Area 51 and elsewhere. Stories that should be told. Jacobsen found and interviewed a bunch of retired people who are now at liberty to talk about their formerly classified work on programs like the U-2 and SR-71.
Except she didn't understand the history and the technology very well to begin with. Elementary misunderstandings of elementary fact pervade the entire book.
And so Jacobsen ended up taking what should have been an inspiring tale of heroic American engineers and pilots quietly working their asses off to create new capabilities to protect their country from its totalitarian adversaries, and mashed it up with an utterly ludicrous farrago of nonsense about Stalin and Dr. Mengele and fake UFOs and genetically engineered midget "aliens" at Roswell.
You have to ask: where was such an utter ignoramus of an author educated?
Prithee, at Michelle Obama's alma mater, Princeton University.
Posted by: torquewrench at September 30, 2012 07:20 AM (ymG7s)
Been reading Kengor's The Communist, a bio of Frank Marshall Davis. More readable IMO than Kurtz' Traitor in Chief. Chilling. This racial schtick has been a commie theme for a long time. Interesting info on the Scottsboro Boys case and the ILWU in Hawaii.
Will be taking the advice of you morons and downloading some Louis L. Read some samples and enjoy his writing. I read mostly non-fiction [politics] and frankly can't take it anymore. Problem is that when I read fiction and its not crap, I always want to "get to the end of the show." In other words, I end up staying up reading when I should be sleeping and next day's work product is shit.
Also picked up a couple by Bishop Chapot on Kindle. Might be interesting even for the non Catholics and heathens and infidels. Will report once I get into them.
Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at September 30, 2012 07:24 AM (4FZvG)
Posted by: The littl shyning man at September 30, 2012 07:25 AM (PH+2B)
Posted by: andycanuck at September 30, 2012 07:25 AM (vDl/w)
What made you think that? I think you're wrong.
Posted by: OregonMuse at September 30, 2012 07:26 AM (C4mFS)
Posted by: Evilpens at September 30, 2012 07:27 AM (ck76k)
Posted by: Gordon undead Ramsay at September 30, 2012 07:27 AM (9HhTH)
So glad to know it's not just me who had a hard time getting through that. I thought maybe it was because I was trying to read it during John's cancer treatments and just wasn't in the right frame of mind.
The information is interesting, and disturbingly similar to today, and Churchill's known for his witty quips so I'm not sure what makes it so hard to get through the book.
Posted by: Polliwogette: Teahada hobbit at September 30, 2012 07:28 AM (ucTQD)
He kept switching back and forth between conservative and liberal and socialist so much wanted to scream. Everyone he was talking about was either a socialist or a communist.
He tried at one point to call Hitler conservative - right.
This when Hitler had "socialism" in the title of his party.
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 07:28 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Rich at September 30, 2012 07:28 AM (pnHKr)
O/T, but is anybody else seeing the sidebar ad on the main page showing the blond in the purple suit?
Would someone please feed her before she drops dead?
Posted by: Secundus at September 30, 2012 07:28 AM (t2Zxt)
Posted by: OregonMuse at September 30, 2012 12:26 PM (C4mFS)
So far it has been good. I was surprised because I thought everyone would jump on the Islam stuff.
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 07:29 AM (YdQQY)
Torquewrench, a far better book is Paul F. Crickmore's Lockheed ST-71 Blackbird as part of the Osprey Air Combat series.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2012 07:31 AM (tCEP4)
Getting ready for church; going to hear the Word of the Living God while it can still be preached. And it isn't as if He didn't warn us.
Watch, pray, plan, not necessarily in that order.
Posted by: baldilocks at September 30, 2012 07:31 AM (7nwJ6)
Posted by: rickl at September 30, 2012 07:32 AM (sdi6R)
Posted by: Evilpens at September 30, 2012 07:32 AM (ck76k)
Posted by: Katy Beth at September 30, 2012 07:33 AM (h0lvD)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2012 07:33 AM (tCEP4)
Posted by: Boomer Redneque knows Mohammad was a goat-fucking kiddie-raper at September 30, 2012 07:33 AM (eQnzo)
Posted by: ErikW at September 30, 2012 07:33 AM (G8pWk)
I re-read The Fellowship of the Ring last night.
It's been at least 7 years since I read the trilogy. Figured it was time I got those movies out of my ead.
Posted by: garrett at September 30, 2012 07:33 AM (kCXjW)
No. I run Firefox with the AdBlock add-in. I see no ads.
Posted by: OregonMuse at September 30, 2012 07:34 AM (C4mFS)
Posted by: FPW at September 30, 2012 07:34 AM (BDNF5)
D.M. Hawkins @HawkinsUSA 18m
Columbus Dispatch poll has respondents who voted for Obama by 56-44% in 2008. But he only won 53-46%. At worst would be 48-45%.
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Well and that's not even right from my research. He won ohio 51-47 in 2008, not 53-46.
Posted by: Rich at September 30, 2012 07:34 AM (pnHKr)
Posted by: Boomer Redneque knows Mohammad was a goat-fucking kiddie-raper at September 30, 2012 07:35 AM (eQnzo)
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 07:36 AM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Minuteman at September 30, 2012 07:36 AM (O80gU)
Posted by: Honey Badger at September 30, 2012 07:37 AM (0SHei)
Posted by: Boomer Redneque knows Mohammad was a goat-fucking kiddie-raper at September 30, 2012 12:35 PM (eQnzo)
Guess she never made the cheerleader tryouts so went radical chic...
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2012 07:37 AM (tCEP4)
Back onto books.
Moron horde members! Have you ever thought to yourself, "I wonder what the most depressing book in history is. I have enjoyed myself entirely too much recently, and I want to read something which will destroy any remaining faith I have in the human race and make me want to immolate the world in nuclear fire!!"
Well, wonder no longer! I have the answer. The book is Commandant of Auschwitz by Rudolf Hoess. Bad writing, horrendous evil and craven excuse making and self justification are never more than a page turn away in this literary excrescence!
The edition I bought is all proceeds to Holocaust survivors. My dad asked me why the hell I would read it, and I guess I've got two reasons: I was curious, and I think it's important to remember who these people were and what they did, in detail. Stalin said a million deaths is a statistic, but at the end of the day someone made that statistic happen.
Posted by: Secundus at September 30, 2012 07:38 AM (t2Zxt)
Posted by: Minuteman at September 30, 2012 07:39 AM (O80gU)
Posted by: Rich at September 30, 2012 07:39 AM (pnHKr)
Posted by: Pecos at September 30, 2012 07:39 AM (2Gb0y)
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That such magazines are manufactured in Union shops by American workmen;
That each newsdealer and agent is insured a fair profit;
That an intelligent censorship guards their advertising pages.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2012 07:43 AM (tCEP4)
Posted by: @PurpAv at September 30, 2012 07:43 AM (LPHGB)
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 07:45 AM (YdQQY)
By that time, it would have probably been used mostly as a night fighter, and second line at that.
First Duke of Marlborough, Churchill's ancestor was famous for his role at the Battle of Blenheim, defeating the Bavarians. Not sure, but he probably got his title as a result.
Very symbolic action.
Posted by: fluffy at September 30, 2012 07:45 AM (z9HTb)
Posted by: BornLib at September 30, 2012 07:45 AM (zpNwC)
And I'm kinda biased, because I consider the author a close friend, but from a plot and writing perspective, Caliphate is NOT LTC Kratman's best novel. The future history segment in the middle is brilliant, and the whole concept is great, but the plot and dialogue isn't his sharpest. He was trying to pack too many informational vignettes into the plot. Was the second novel of his I ever read- Watch on the Rhine with John Ringo being the first.
Posted by: SGT Dan at September 30, 2012 07:45 AM (Gy7db)
Since many of you are interested in history, I came across a book I highly recommend. "A Voyage Long and Strange", by Tony Horwitz.
Basically, he covers the history of exploration and settlements of the U.S. that tends to be ignored by regular history books. The Vikings, Spanish, French, etc.
For instance, I already knew a lot about the Coronado Expedition, but he adds more details that surprised me. And I had no clue about DeSoto, who roamed throughout the whole South basically destroying and pilliging.
Great thing is the author travels the routes of what he's covering, and talks to local historians, park rangers or whomever. Gives you a feel for what happened in the past still effects us today.
Well written, and full of stuff you may never have heard of.
Posted by: HH at September 30, 2012 07:48 AM (v+ExF)
Posted by: Rich at September 30, 2012 07:49 AM (pnHKr)
If you can take McCarthy, and some cannot, try reading his western "Blood Meridian." More godawful blood and violence packed between two covers that most have ever seen.
Who amongst us is an old enough fart to have seen Frank Zappa in concert with the Mothers? And can remember it?
Posted by: The littl shyning man at September 30, 2012 12:17 PM (PH+2B)
McCarthy's books are extremely violent; "Child of God" is pretty fucking weird too. "The Road" is one of the few page-turners he's produced because his other stuff is incredibly dense and uses a lot of local Southwest dialect in books that are set there.
As for what I'm reading I'm still slogging my way through "I the Supreme" by Augusto Roa Bastos (page 282 out of 433) although for a slog it's very entertaining. I'm a slow reader to begin with but I'm not making much progress for a number of reasons. First, it uses a lot of made up words in a Joycean manner (the translator deserves combat pay for what she's done) which gets compounded in an amalgamation between English, Spanish and Portugese so I can't figure out what the fuck is being said many times (and running a google on some of the words brings up a reference to the book itself). Second, Paraguay isn't the most interesting country in the world; in fact the book makes it sound like a hot smelly shithole. Finally it's the story of somebody who's pretty fucking insane so you always have to figure out how the prose relates to reality. Despite what those caveats may sound like, I really like it.
I'm also going through three books on the group The Band which I decided to investigate after Levon Helm died. I really liked the group, fairly unique in popular culture, and through reading the account of different perspectives you can get a pretty clear picture of what happened; ie fame went to their heads and only a couple of them dealt with it effectively (not surprisingly the 2 that are still alive). Late in 1999 I saw Rick Danko appear at a local microbrewery's stage and I left before the first set was over. It was embarrassing seeing this formerly skinny bass player turned into this enormously bloated tub of goo barely able to wheeze his way through a song. About a week later he was dead of a heart attack. The body of work they produced was and is outstanding and should stand the test of time.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at September 30, 2012 07:51 AM (enXB1)
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2012 07:53 AM (tCEP4)
Other than that, it's been HQ and Twitter. My G-d does Twitter take a lot of time. I've come to almost hate it but it's an important tool in getting information out and linking like-minded people up.
Posted by: Polliwogette: Teahada hobbit at September 30, 2012 07:53 AM (ucTQD)
On an OT note picked up at a small comic convention some neat things. A how-to book on digital manga for $10, a decent intro book on anthros that even talks about the anatomy on how to draw them by Christopher Hart for $10, and Manga Studio 4 Debut for $35.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at September 30, 2012 07:59 AM (tCEP4)
Posted by: Tuna at September 30, 2012 08:11 AM (M/TDA)
Posted by: csprof on the phone at September 30, 2012 08:13 AM (RR3e1)
Posted by: Captain Hate
What books are those about The Band? I'd be interested in reading them.
Not even gonna think about how many times I've watched 'The Last Waltz'.
Posted by: HH at September 30, 2012 08:13 AM (v+ExF)
I was avoiding Twitter for several weeks until the Libyan thing (mostly the instantaneous attack on free speech). I figured it was important to start working again to get everyone networked together as much as possible.
Posted by: Polliwogette: Teahada hobbit at September 30, 2012 08:14 AM (ucTQD)
Posted by: BornLib at September 30, 2012 08:27 AM (zpNwC)
Posted by: OregonMuse
You can whitelist = allow adds on a per site basis. Usually the AoSHQ's ads aren't a lot of trouble. I don't want to actually pay for all that Valu-Rite and pudding removal via subscription.
Posted by: DaveA at September 30, 2012 08:28 AM (wcjj2)
Across the Great Divide: The Band and America by Barney Hoskins
This Wheel's on Fire: Levon Helm and the story of The Band Levon Helm and Stephen Davis
A Musical History The Band (book/5 cds/DVD) Robertson had input to this
Helm had a lot of issues with Robertson that negatively impacts his book imo. Nobody is blameless except for Hudson who keeps his yap shut throughout all this and is, imo, an extremely nice person and incredible musician, even by the high standards of the others. Manuel was a sad soak who happened to have a great singing voice and was good on other instruments; no surprise when he killed himself. I recommend reading and listening to them concurrently.
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at September 30, 2012 08:28 AM (enXB1)
Thanks much, Captain H.
May go out and look for them when I'm next off.
I came to The Band late, but indeed they were unique.
Posted by: HH at September 30, 2012 08:33 AM (v+ExF)
Posted by: Captain Hate (more dagny and less curious) at September 30, 2012 08:44 AM (enXB1)
Very interesting. I am currently in a chapter discussing the idea that the pagans were/are controlled by demons.
Wow, you could substitute "muslim" for "pagan" and it would still be just as valid.
Posted by: Bart who lurks with SMOD 2012 and is Master of his domain at September 30, 2012 08:50 AM (he2LC)
Posted by: Jordan at September 30, 2012 08:55 AM (RSG1I)
There is an easier to read version at The Online Library of Liberty. http://tinyurl.com/8cay52v. (I just searched for it, I haven't read it.)
Posted by: microcosme at September 30, 2012 08:58 AM (Yl7b3)
Posted by: Tonestaple at September 30, 2012 08:59 AM (gvVlx)
Posted by: Alternative Timeline Tonestaple at September 30, 2012 09:03 AM (G9qZk)
Posted by: Captain Hate
Nooo, not active duty.
Good idea though of going thru Amazon.
Kind of depressing what you mentioned about Danko, although even at the end of 'The Last Waltz' one wonders if he could make it on his own.
Posted by: HH at September 30, 2012 09:04 AM (v+ExF)
I've been doing a lot of samples on my Kindle. I'm hoping that will help me not spend as much over all.
Posted by: Polliwogette: Teahada hobbit at September 30, 2012 09:04 AM (ucTQD)
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 09:07 AM (YdQQY)
I think Pam Geller attacked subconsciously the whole noble savage idea of Rousseau in the academically-brainwashed minds of our so-called elites. I wish I could remember the name of the book which discussed the probable number of casualties suffered by our pre-modern ancestors in fighting wars with their neighbors basically. I think it was 20% casualties just in the course of doing business and life.
Hard to imagine anything more "savage" than Beslan in the history of humanity, though it's tied with countless other things. Beslan was 'justified' through jihad and the desire for Islamic government instead of Russian rule. Does anything in the modern world incite as much violence as jihad, except possibly socialism in its many flavors?
Posted by: Beagle at September 30, 2012 09:13 AM (sOtz/)
A Desert Called Peace and the first sequel Carnifex are an awesome read. He lays on the allegory with a shovel, in the whole "history does repeat itself" idea, but the idea that the UN will eventually devolve to a corrupt hereditary aristocracy is entirely too plausible. You can stop with those two, though I personally enjoyed the continuation of that universe in The Lotus Eaters. The Amazon Legion, the fourth in that universe, is a side trip off the main plot. That actually began as a nonfiction essay on how to make female infantry units called The Amazon's Right Breast that's in one of the Baen compilations and I tracked down online. I actually cribbed bits from it, properly footnoted, for Military History 551 ("Race and Gender in Military History") at Norwich. And with the essential destruction of the Islamic threat after the first two books, the enemy then becomes the UN. Good reads, all.
His last three have been in a series called Countdown. These have been The Liberators, M Day, and H-Hour. There will be more after that. These are not sci-fi, they're near-future military thrillers/tutorials about a small multinational private military corporation assembled for one task and who stayed together to battle our world's visible slide into barbarism. In the afterword to H-Hour, Tom said "People ask me if I believe the world is going to get as bad as it is in this series. No. It's going to be much worse." Those three are the ones I believe would appeal most to the Moronosphere. Because the subject material is the nearest and dearest to Tom's heart, I think it's his sharpest. The research is incredible, particularly in terms of what's available on the world's surplus market on any given week. Even Viktor Bout makes an appearance under a recognizable pun of a pseudonym.
Posted by: SGT Dan at September 30, 2012 09:20 AM (0Yr25)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 30, 2012 09:26 AM (X3lox)
Pretty much. Early 20th century return to the holy land type "Zionists" seemed to get along with their Arab neighbors fairly well with few incidents.
The whole Arab hyper-rage against "the Jews" is a relatively new wrinkle.
Posted by: @PurpAv at September 30, 2012 09:32 AM (LPHGB)
You mean the "hyper-rage" is new, PA, or the Jew-hatred? I hope the former because the latter has been part of Islam since day one. Although I guess Mighty Mo comes across as a good bit calmer about hating Jews than some today.
Which reminds me, I have a New Pet Peeve: Non-muslims referring to Mighty Mo as "The Prophet Mohammed." It should, at best, properly be "THEIR prophet Mohammed." One should never acord Mo the respect that Muslims never give to anyone else's religion, all their squawking claims to the contrary notwithstanding. Or really, one should never acord Mo any respect at all, given his penchant for crimes against anyone who came in his orbit.
Posted by: Tonestaple at September 30, 2012 09:43 AM (gvVlx)
Posted by: Trimegistus at September 30, 2012 09:46 AM (AHM0q)
Their prophet Mo. Let the raging begin.
"What? He's not my prophet."
Posted by: fluffy at September 30, 2012 09:46 AM (z9HTb)
Posted by: 13times at September 30, 2012 09:51 AM (h6XiD)
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 30, 2012 09:58 AM (X3lox)
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Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at September 30, 2012 10:18 AM (X3lox)
Posted by: BornLib at September 30, 2012 10:23 AM (zpNwC)
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Posted by: Tuna at September 30, 2012 10:25 AM (M/TDA)
Posted by: Tuna at September 30, 2012 03:25 PM (M/TDA)
Yeah, but it has to be read to you...
Posted by: HH at September 30, 2012 10:28 AM (v+ExF)
Posted by: Bacon Industry at September 30, 2012 10:33 AM (xUMoc)
Posted by: Tuna at September 30, 2012 03:25 PM (M/TDA)
Well I know buying a Kendle sure as hell isn't in it.
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 10:34 AM (YdQQY)
Vic is right, 172, but it's too late for that, so I will make one up. Be back later on some thread or another.
Posted by: Tonestaple at September 30, 2012 10:41 AM (gvVlx)
Posted by: toby the beagle's pudding removing service at September 30, 2012 10:44 AM (vDl/w)
Ever read any mainstream news source ever, anywhere use the phrase "the Prophet Joseph" for Joseph Smith? Face it. It's to suck Islamic dick and polish their "we're multiculturalists! yeah for us!" bona fides.
Posted by: andycanuck at September 30, 2012 10:50 AM (vDl/w)
Posted by: Doug at September 30, 2012 11:01 AM (IPuCy)
Posted by: DaveinNC at September 30, 2012 12:29 PM (/NgNT)
Posted by: DaveinNC at September 30, 2012 05:29 PM (/NgNT)
Is it anti-religion?
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 12:52 PM (YdQQY)
No; Balthazar is an unbeliever (more like an agnostic than an atheist), but Mary and Joseph are not presented as zealots or anything, but more like 2 frightened people trying to make sense of their circumstances, while being pursued by Herod and the Romans. I think Grahame-Smith does a very nice job in portraying a "what if" scenario.
Posted by: DaveinNC at September 30, 2012 01:41 PM (/NgNT)
Posted by: elizabethe mostly lurks at September 30, 2012 01:44 PM (q7Aum)
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 01:46 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: elizabethe mostly lurks at September 30, 2012 06:44 PM (q7Aum)
Last year these things ran well into the night. They have been getting shorter lately though.
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 01:47 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: elizabethe mostly lurks at September 30, 2012 01:52 PM (q7Aum)
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 01:54 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Vic at September 30, 2012 02:09 PM (YdQQY)
Posted by: Aslan's Girl at September 30, 2012 02:13 PM (KL49F)
Posted by: elizabethe mostly lurks at September 30, 2012 02:51 PM (q7Aum)
Posted by: shoeless hunter at September 30, 2012 04:19 PM (9196u)
Posted by: shoeless hunter at September 30, 2012 04:47 PM (9196u)
90 I went to a Mother's concert in '72 or '73 at the University of Maryland Baltimore County field house. No fixed seating, just lots of folding chairs. We all sat politely thru the opening act, Dion, all by himself, with an acoustic guitar; not half bad actually.
When Frank and the boys came on stage, the entire audience snatched up their chairs and moved toward the stage - it was move with the crowd or get trampled. My buddies and I ended up about 20 feet from the stage, dead center. The music was great... and really LOUD. My ears rang for a week.
The best concert I ever went to.
Posted by: Not that Chuck at October 01, 2012 09:09 AM (snAa9)
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