November 30, 2007

Suicide Bomber Hostage-Taker at Clinton HQ in NH
— Gabriel Malor

Final Update for This Post:

All hostages released. The hostage taker may be a local crazy guy named "Troy Stanley." They're still trying to get him out of the HQ. There is some conjecture that his bomb is actually made up of flares.

Earlier post:

I'm just looking through the story now.

Michelle Malkin is all over it.

As is Gateway Pundit.

Thanks to SOC and geoff for noticing it.

More: FOX has it, CNN is covering the train collision in Chicago.

The fellow, in his 40s, has taken two hostages. I see in news stories he's described as "armed", but it's not clear that they mean with a gun or are just referring to the bomb (or fake bomb) duct-taped to his chest.

There are sharpshooters standing by.

Question: what is it that this guy wants? He obviously doesn't want to kill others and die or he would have done it before he let two others go. So is he just a nut?

Oh, okay. FOX reports that his demand is to speak with Clinton. Weird.

And again: Arbalest points out that it was hella premature to call this fellow a "suicide bomber." At this point he's just a hostage taker with a bomb. God willing, he won't become a suicide bomber and that the two hostages will be released soon.

This is going into its second hour and it doesn't look like the New Hampshire authorities are releasing any official information (they've understandably got more important things to do). It's just conjecture at this point.

CNN briefly covered it before going back to the train crash to hypothesize that the bomber had himself released the first two hostages and told them to call 911.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 10:22 AM | Comments (135)
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1 Thoughts and prayers go out.  Hope this ends quickly and safely.

Posted by: Techie at November 30, 2007 10:28 AM (AV8Z6)

2 He's asking to speak to Hillary.  Hopefully it's just some random nut that they can take down before he hurts anyone.

Posted by: mesablue at November 30, 2007 10:29 AM (KCOdQ)

3 Steve, send the phone spiders..............

Posted by: Techie at November 30, 2007 10:30 AM (AV8Z6)

4 Not to be glib, but as with all acts of terrrorism the only way to defeat it is to capitulate.  Clinton needs to pull out of NH and bring the troops campaigners home.

Posted by: OU_Gryphon at November 30, 2007 10:30 AM (385l4)

5 Hm depending on what kind of whacko this guy turns out to be this will either be the death of or the resuscitation of the Clinton for President campaign.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2007 10:30 AM (hfyfI)

6

One small correction:


"The fellow, in his 40s, has taken two hostages"


Since he did not walk in and press the magic button, as is the M.O. of suicide bombers (see any of several examples in Israel and Iraq for details), he is someone carrying a bomb who has taken hostages, and not (yet) a suicide bomber.


Posted by: Arbalest at November 30, 2007 10:31 AM (CJpJQ)

7 Damn, best wishes to the people being held hostage.  Good luck to the NH State Police in getting this wrapped up safely and quickly.

Posted by: Drew at November 30, 2007 10:31 AM (hlYel)

8

I question the timing.


(In all seriousness, my prayers to everyone involved, but seriously, I couldn't let that one go.)


Posted by: marchand chronicles at November 30, 2007 10:35 AM (l5aSZ)

9 Fox just announced that it's Bill O'Reilly holding the hostages and demanding an interview with Hillary.

Anything for ratings.

Posted by: Tom at November 30, 2007 10:38 AM (1kwK7)

10 Take that elsewhere Tom.

Fricking moby.

Posted by: mesablue at November 30, 2007 10:40 AM (KCOdQ)

11 Point taken, Arbalest.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at November 30, 2007 10:43 AM (1Ug6U)

12 Probably an irate husband. Where's Bill?

Posted by: GarandFan at November 30, 2007 10:45 AM (+tCxF)

13 Question for all, what do you think about the live on air coverage of these types of events?  Obviously it's news but it seems that giving this guy the full bore Missing White Girl treatment is playing into what he wants.  I am unsure of which side of this I come down on, yes, it's important but, no, I don't want to feed into the hero complex.  So I'm interested to know what y'all think.

My prayers are with the hostages and the police as they deal with him.  I hope that it ends without innocent blood being spilled. 

Posted by: alexthechick at November 30, 2007 10:51 AM (SHHaV)

14 The Fox guys are jumping through their own asses right now, for those who aren't watching.  They've got no new info, so they're recycling the shit they've repeated already to keep things interesting.

Posted by: Secundus at November 30, 2007 10:54 AM (g6uKI)

15

Ok, since I'm an inconsiderate bastard, I'll put this out there. How about a pool on whether this guy is on the extreme right or extreme left. I'm betting the left; an anti-war fucktard with no sense of irony.


 


Posted by: Penn State Marine at November 30, 2007 10:56 AM (DFVTW)

16 #8 beat me to it

Posted by: Barry in CO at November 30, 2007 10:56 AM (aJtCl)

17
Posted by: alexthechick at November 30, 2007 03:51 PM (SHHaV)

I don't think you can get around covering a story like this. There is the risk of giving this guy something he wants but I am more concerned about the news giving away too much. I don't like Fox showing where these cops are and Cameron needs to stop yelling "the SWAT TRUCK IS MOVING".

Giving this idiot any tactical information is unpardonable.

Posted by: Drew at November 30, 2007 10:56 AM (hlYel)

18 Suppose CNN will do any vetting of this guy?

Posted by: burnitup at November 30, 2007 10:57 AM (gyNYk)

19 I'm calling it--this will be an evil Bush plot by the end of the day.  If this guy even walked past a person who voted for Bush he'll be an example of evil, unhinged Republicanism.

Posted by: Secundus at November 30, 2007 10:58 AM (g6uKI)

20 Penn State Marine...

Not now, okay? The why and who doesn't matter right now except as it helps the cops deal with this. Any violence in the political system threatens us all.

We can figure all the rest out later, right now the only important thing is the safety of these two people.

Posted by: Drew at November 30, 2007 10:58 AM (hlYel)

21

Penn State Marine:


he's gotta be a leftard- right wing crazies bring long guns


Posted by: Barry in CO at November 30, 2007 10:59 AM (aJtCl)

22

Hmmm.  Cop hostage negotiators aren't talking to him yet, apparently.  This guy may actually be serious about wanting to talk to Hillary.


And it looks like he just let someone go.  Curious.


Posted by: Secundus at November 30, 2007 11:04 AM (g6uKI)

23

Drew,


I understand the sentiment. But what else is there to address on this? Until there are developments, there's nothing else to cover. Isn't the first question, "what does he want"? Yeah, I get the "talk to Clinto" thing. But you know what I mean. Where is this guy coming from?


 


Posted by: Penn State Marine at November 30, 2007 11:04 AM (DFVTW)

24

I'm calling it--this will be an evil Bush plot by the end of the day.  If this guy even walked past a person who voted for Bush he'll be an example of evil, unhinged Republicanism.


Secundus beat me to it.  This guy could be the DNC's main man and the flimsiest connection to Bush will be found.  We talking crap like, "I heard that he once rode on the same train as Bush, so he's an evil-Rebuplican."  That will be enough to prove that the Right is bad.


Posted by: Steve L. at November 30, 2007 11:04 AM (hpZf2)

25

Fox and CNN doing all they can to reveal what the cops are doing


Posted by: Barry in CO at November 30, 2007 11:04 AM (aJtCl)

26 So, if he's demanding to talk to Clinton, what do you do if you are Clinton?

Do you offer to talk to the guy through the police and hope that he'll calm down and walk away without hurting anyone, or do you say "I do not negotiate with terrorists" and walk away and let the police to their thing alone?





Posted by: icus at November 30, 2007 11:05 AM (pozJ7)

27 I hope this ends with ZERO deaths, because, of course, death is bad, even for crazy people who take hostages (but not if hostages get killed by said hostage-takers).  But especially because I don't want a dead perp who can therefore be turned into something he's not, such as, for example, a rabid Rush Limbaugh listening, Romney-supporting, Bush-voting (twice!), right-wing gun nut.  I'd rather hear from the perp's mouth what his issue was, rather than trust the MSM, those wacky DECIDERS, to tell me who this guy was and what he really wanted (because there's no way they'd tell us he was either a fuckwit lefty Gaia worshiping, Obama-voting, abortion doctor or a muslim terrorist, even if he was).  Paranoid, yes?  But after a while, paranoia becomes a survival instinct.  Alas, though, since SWAT is on-scene, I'm sure they'll blow his fucking head clean off, and let the CONSPIRACY THEORIES BLOOM.  Sad.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 30, 2007 11:06 AM (UioS4)

28

"The SWAT response won't work. The police need to redeploy to Vermont."


-Jack Murtha, (D-PA)


Posted by: Barry in CO at November 30, 2007 11:06 AM (aJtCl)

29

The police need to take action.  Standing around outside while this douche can do what he wants inside is not my idea of why we pay police.


Posted by: Xchaan (pronounced: leh-nerd skin-nerd) at November 30, 2007 11:08 AM (igcvF)

30 Penn State Marine,

Sometimes there's not much to say other than hoping for the best. The rest is generally unhelpful and be the kind of thing one may regret later.

Look at the Kos thread, it's pretty disgusting(and note I am NOT saying your comment was out of line by any stretch). Nothing good comes from speculation at this point.

Of course media bashing is always fun. As I posted above, they need to real careful of what they are showing. Fox strikes me as getting very close to the line.

Posted by: Drew at November 30, 2007 11:08 AM (hlYel)

31

The cops have the whole place overwatched by snipers.  There's no reason to send SWAT in against a guy who's got a bomb on him--not yet, anyway.


So while Fox and CNN may be parasites, right now they probably aren't telling the hostage taker anything important.


Posted by: Secundus at November 30, 2007 11:09 AM (g6uKI)

32 I'd say you talk to them.  It stalls for time, plus lets you seem flexible in the negotiation phase. 

But, that's just my half-assed opinion.

Posted by: Techie at November 30, 2007 11:09 AM (AV8Z6)

33

# 11 Gabriel Malor


Thanks.


My point was to keep the distinctive title of suicide bomber (and related profile) reserved for those who wear/carry and then intentionally target and detonate a bomb to intentionally murder civilians, frequently many of whom are women and children.


This title/profile seems Not to fit Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Confucians, Animists, Wiccans, etc., and there seems little reason that we should relax the profile or allow it to be changed.


As a side note, I hope this fool is either faking, or surrenders, or gets capped, or injures no one but himslef.


Posted by: Arbalest at November 30, 2007 11:09 AM (CJpJQ)

34

Hey, Xchaan, you wanna be pointman against a guy wired up with C4?  No?


And if the snipers don't have a shot, they should make every effort to resolve this without killing anybody.


Posted by: Secundus at November 30, 2007 11:12 AM (g6uKI)

35

Standing around outside while this douche can do what he wants inside is not my idea of why we pay police.


They aren't just standing around.  They just got 1 of the 3 hostages released.  I'm pretty sure the cops have a much better idea how to handle this the a few random morons on a blog.


Let the pros do their job.


Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2007 11:13 AM (t+mja)

36 So while Fox and CNN may be parasites, right now they probably aren't telling the hostage taker anything important.

Secundus,

The problem is this guy may not know what he's seeing on TV and panic if he thinks they are coming to take him down.  It seem the less he knows or thinks he knows the better.

Posted by: Drew at November 30, 2007 11:14 AM (hlYel)

37 Negotiating with the hostage taker accomplishes several things, in no particular order- it 'lets some air' out of the situation, allowing all involved to calm down somewhat; and it can, essentially, bore the shit out of the hostage taker and sap his will to continue- the longer he talks without taking action, hopefully he gets to a point where his actions feel futile, and he just wants to quit. Hopefully.

Posted by: Barry in CO at November 30, 2007 11:15 AM (aJtCl)

38

Ok, let's take a different approach:


do you say "I do not negotiate with terrorists" and walk away and let the police to their thing alone?


Then what do you do with terrorists? If you walk away and he sets the thing off, are you then reponsible for not preventing the loss of human life with a simple phone call?


This is some straight up fucked up shit. No one wants to pile on the girl in stiletto heels who just got raped. But sometimes you reap what you sow.


The bottom line is, the world has a problem with terrorism; whether AQ, Malvo or this piece of shit. There's only one way to deal with it. In this case, a spectacular head-shot.


Posted by: Penn State Marine at November 30, 2007 11:15 AM (DFVTW)

39

Chas v'shalom.


I hope and pray for a speedy and harmless resolution.


Posted by: Muslihoon at November 30, 2007 11:16 AM (LR1ZU)

40 Wiccans have suicide bombers, but when they pull the string, patchouli and rainbows pour out.

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at November 30, 2007 11:16 AM (wjmVA)

41 And the dick on Fox saying, "As a lawyer, I can tell you the Supreme Court says it's okay for the police to lie in these situations" doesn't exactly help if the guy is watching TV.

God I hate reporters and news readers.

Except the hot chicks on Fox. They rock.

Posted by: Drew at November 30, 2007 11:16 AM (hlYel)

42

shoot him dead, no sympathy for this crap, no discussion of whether he was "mentally ill" (duh) or anything else.


this will not be tolerated, period.


you reward nutjobs like this with fame, you get more of them.


Posted by: funky chicken at November 30, 2007 11:16 AM (I+jPP)

43 Drew, which would scare you more--watching the SWAT team standing around smoking cigarettes, or not knowing anything and letting your imagination run rampant?  Remember, this isn't the most stable guy to begin with.

Posted by: Secundus at November 30, 2007 11:18 AM (g6uKI)

44  icus, your second suggestion is the right one. She shouldn't get involved at all at this time...and that includes announcing that she's not getting involved.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at November 30, 2007 11:18 AM (1Ug6U)

45 I pray the hostages' get out safe. Moonbats gone wild?

Posted by: fireman1 at November 30, 2007 11:19 AM (btv6n)

46

Secundus:


I am not a cop, I don't play one on T.V., I don't get to wear military grade combat gear.  Plus I did not sign up.


Send in a robot.  It's 50/50 dude pulls the pin.  50/50 explosives are real. 50/50 the hostages make it. 


Harsh I know, but the world is harsh.


Posted by: Xchaan (pronounced: leh-nerd skin-nerd) at November 30, 2007 11:19 AM (igcvF)

47  Let the police do their job. They're already screwed up enough with the media telegraphing their every move. They're not pushing back the secured area to make room for the hostage; they're trying to push the cameras back.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at November 30, 2007 11:21 AM (1Ug6U)

48 The bit about wanting to talk to Hillary (I assume that's which Clinton is meant) makes me think leftcrazy rather than rightcrazy.  I'm pretty much a rightcrazy myself and I have zero desire to talk to that woman.

You guys want a paranoid conspiracy theory to chew on?  How about this:  she set this up to heroically go in and talk him down.  The guy's actually something like the head of her Arkansas campaign organization, and has been guaranteed a Presidential pardon.

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 30, 2007 11:21 AM (duF4y)

49

This situation is pissing me off.


As I am watching this unfold, I am thinking about the way that Hillary is being treeated versus how the President was treated.  In the wake of the worst terrorist attaack in US history, the President took prudent steps to protect himself until such time as he knew that the threat was neutralized.  He was excoriated for "running and hiding" instead of standing into danger.


Fast forward to today.  One lone whack job threatens Hillary hundreds of miles from where she is.  She cancels all of her appearances and cowers away behind her Secret Service protection.


Something doesn't seem equal in the coverage.


Posted by: Steve L. at November 30, 2007 11:21 AM (hpZf2)

50 Secundus,

Fox wasn't showing them standing around. They were showing an armored car move down the street and Carl Cameron is yelling "The armored car is moving! It's moving towards the building!. It could mean nothing or to a nervous nut job it could mean they are storming the place (even though they aren't).

Now Cameron is on Fox describing the SWAT team 'inching down the street toward the building'  and that one SWAT member is holding a pry bar.

He needs to STFU.




Posted by: Drew at November 30, 2007 11:22 AM (hlYel)

51 I phrased my question badly, obviously it has to be covered, it's the level of coverage that I'm worried about.

There is the risk of giving this guy something he wants but I am more
concerned about the news giving away too much. I don't like Fox showing
where these cops are and Cameron needs to stop yelling "the SWAT TRUCK
IS MOVING".


Giving this idiot any tactical information is unpardonable.

That's what concerns me as well, most of the media can't help themselves.

Right now I do not give a crap what the asshole's affiliation is, why he did it, if the voices are driving him or anything else.  It's not the time.  Once he's taken out, then we can go to town. 

Posted by: alexthechick at November 30, 2007 11:23 AM (SHHaV)

52 http://blogs.abcnews.com/rapidreport/2007/11/hostage-situati.html

ABCNews reporting the man is a local with a long history of emotional and mental issues. 


Per HotAir.

Posted by: Techie at November 30, 2007 11:23 AM (AV8Z6)

53

The right move for Hillary is 'no comment' until the incident is resolved.



 


 


Posted by: Barry in CO at November 30, 2007 11:23 AM (aJtCl)

54

Xchaan, there's still no reason to do that until they're certain that's the only way to end the situation.


Posted by: Secundus at November 30, 2007 11:23 AM (g6uKI)

55

The days of sitting quietly on board a hijacked plane are over for me.


Easy to type, harder to live. But that's the plan.


Posted by: Xchaan (pronounced: leh-nerd skin-nerd) at November 30, 2007 11:23 AM (igcvF)

56

I'm hoping the guy is just a lunatic. 


Whether he's an unhinged right winger or an unhinged left winger, if this is a politically motivated crime, it will be a bad thing for our political process.  These sorts of events rob the population of its ability to make rational decisions.


Unfortunately, the fact that she is a presidential candidate pretty much guarantees that this is a politically motivated crime.  So, in addition to the individual costs of this act, we all stand to lose a great deal collectively, as well.  (No matter where his political lunacy is coming from).


Prayers, prayers, and prayers for the people involved.   


Posted by: oops at November 30, 2007 11:24 AM (b1kNy)

57 Fox reporting hostages released

Posted by: Barry in CO at November 30, 2007 11:25 AM (aJtCl)

58

Do you think it's Keith Kerr?


 


Posted by: Penn State Marine at November 30, 2007 11:26 AM (DFVTW)

59 Steve L,

I am second to know one in my disgust for Hillary but what would you have her do? Run there and grab a gun? Go on like nothing is happening?

Please, she just needs to disappear and let law enforcement handle this.

Yes, the left is inconsistent and idiotic. What's new?

It sounds like he's a local nut job and that the hostages have been released. Let's hope so.

Posted by: Drew at November 30, 2007 11:27 AM (hlYel)

60 Unfortunately, the fact that she is a presidential candidate pretty much guarantees that this is a politically motivated crime.

Posted by: oops


Not quite.  Reagan got shot out of love for Jodie Foster.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 30, 2007 11:27 AM (PDeVA)

61 Idea for drinking game: do a shot every time Carl Cameron refers to 'the lilac city'

Posted by: Barry in CO at November 30, 2007 11:28 AM (aJtCl)

62

"Fox reporting hostages released"


Great!  Now the rest of the media can get working on the real story -- feverishly searching for an angle to link this guy to conservatives.


Posted by: Kensington at November 30, 2007 11:28 AM (kFwRi)

63 Don't investigate further if you have blood pressure problems:

HuffPo:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/30/hostage-situation-in-hill_n_74839.html

Basically, they are "praying" that it was a right-winger so it'll "kill off the Rethugs" once and for all.

Then it degrades into RushIsADruggie, Talk radio made this guy do it, BushCo is finally making their move to silence their opponents..................


Sickening.


Posted by: Techie at November 30, 2007 11:29 AM (AV8Z6)

64

Not quite.  Reagan got shot out of love for Jodie Foster.


Point.  Anybody remember why Garfield--it WAS him, right?--got killed?


Posted by: Secundus at November 30, 2007 11:30 AM (g6uKI)

65 Do you offer to talk to the guy through the police and hope that he'll calm down and walk away without hurting anyone


That's what I'd do but I haven't been president so I don't have the office and position, and thus the country and perception of the world to think of.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 30, 2007 11:30 AM (hfyfI)

66 That's what concerns me as well, most of the media can't help themselves.


Posted by: alexthechick at November 30, 2007 04:23 PM (SHHaV)


Exactly. Fox is patting themselves on their back for this new car they have with all sorts of cameras. They have the toys and need to use them.

If a cop were to come up and knock the mic out of Cameron's hand and arrest him on any charge to get him off the air, I'd buy the guy a drink.

Now they are talking about being careful about what they say. I wonder if a call or two were made.



Posted by: Drew at November 30, 2007 11:31 AM (hlYel)

67

I wasn't suggesting that Hillary do anything differently.  I think she is being smart.  I was only pointing out that, in a situation signifincantly more dire, the President was dragged over the coals for taking the exact same action.


It was about the hypocrisy.


Posted by: Steve L. at November 30, 2007 11:31 AM (hpZf2)

68 Do you see how the left side of FOX's screen has been steady on the HQ? It's there for no other reason than to catch it LIVE if the bomb goes off.

Good news for the hostages.

Posted by: OSU_Gabriel Malor at November 30, 2007 11:33 AM (1Ug6U)

69 You just know that one of the candidates will blame this incident on the 'climate of fear' created by George Bush and his criminal gang

Posted by: Barry in CO at November 30, 2007 11:34 AM (aJtCl)

70 Oh yeah, FOX got scolded by someone.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at November 30, 2007 11:34 AM (1Ug6U)

71 Fox seems to be going out of their way to make clear they don't want to give police tactics away in case the perp is watching TV

Posted by: Barry in CO at November 30, 2007 11:36 AM (aJtCl)

72 Don't have linky, but WMUR is reporting that the hostages have been released.

Anyone else see this?

Posted by: Techie at November 30, 2007 11:37 AM (AV8Z6)

73

Techie at November 30, 2007 04:29 PM (AV8Z6


 


You should see what they are saying over at DU. 


Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2007 11:37 AM (t+mja)

74

Even if it is a lefty perp, the media will make him out to be a troubled guy with environmental concerns, like those nice-but-kooky tree sitters.


On the slim chance he's not a lefty, then the media will describe his three hunting guns as a "weapons cache", his boxer-mix puppy as a trained pitbull.


Posted by: spongeworthy at November 30, 2007 11:38 AM (uSomN)

75 Lets see how long it takes Hillary to do her best Janet Reno impersonation.

Posted by: Bob at November 30, 2007 11:39 AM (5fmk5)

76 Oh yeah, FOX got scolded by someone.

Sounds like it doesn't it?

Seriously, this is a case where I am all for the chill wind of fascism coming down on them like the fist of God.

Posted by: Drew at November 30, 2007 11:39 AM (hlYel)

77 Saying you're going to stop filming the SWAT team because they're about to do something is pretty retarded.  Drew, I withdraw my argument.  These idiots need to be kicked the hell out.

Posted by: Secundus at November 30, 2007 11:40 AM (g6uKI)

78 Looking more and more like this guy is a local whackjob

Posted by: Barry in CO at November 30, 2007 11:40 AM (aJtCl)

79 So is he just a nut?

ABC News says he's just a nut.

Posted by: geoff at November 30, 2007 11:41 AM (B8QiA)

80 "ABCNews reporting the man is a local with a long history of emotional and mental issues. "

Like I said, leftcrazy.  Otherwise they'd mention his politics.

I hope the news that the hostages are out is true. 

Posted by: Trimegistus at November 30, 2007 11:41 AM (duF4y)

81 That makes no sense.  In this day and age, a guy walks into a place with 4 people and the police ahve to provide a cell phone for commo?  It would have seemed to me that every f'n person in he room woulda had a cell phone.

Posted by: Steve L. at November 30, 2007 11:44 AM (hpZf2)

82 And there's always a jerk who's worried about how a crisis makes him look:

"We are all disappointed that this would happen in our city. We are a quiet, friendly city," Rochester Mayor John Larochelle.

Posted by: geoff at November 30, 2007 11:45 AM (B8QiA)

83 We get signal:

http://www.wmur.com/news/14737868/detail.html

WMUR is reporting the two hostages are released.  However, they don't know if anyone else is in the building.

Posted by: Techie at November 30, 2007 11:46 AM (AV8Z6)

84

"Like I said, leftcrazy.  Otherwise they'd mention his politics."


Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too, or else they're just waiting until they can find some way to link him to something conservative.  Did he have a radio in his car, for example?  Then talk radio made him do it, and should those radio stations lose their licenses?


Posted by: Kensington at November 30, 2007 11:46 AM (kFwRi)

85 I can only guess why the cops want him using their cell phone.  It's probably set up so it can be monitored and recorded.

Posted by: Secundus at November 30, 2007 11:47 AM (g6uKI)

86 Barry, it's useless copypastaing from PuffHo.

Posted by: Techie at November 30, 2007 11:47 AM (AV8Z6)

87 Great.  Fox is down to the "Interview the Random Street Guy" phase.

Posted by: Secundus at November 30, 2007 11:49 AM (g6uKI)

88 Local crazy, hostages safe. Nothing to see here folks. Move along.

Alexthechick...now I think what you said really comes into play. This kind of thing happens across the country all the time. Without the political angle, the coverage really needs to be stepped down. It won't be, but it should be.

Posted by: Drew at November 30, 2007 11:49 AM (hlYel)

89 yeah I guess they're pretty predictable over there- it's just that the handle 'janeane' grabbed my eye, for obvious reasons

Posted by: Barry in CO at November 30, 2007 11:49 AM (aJtCl)

90

It's probably set up so it can be monitored and recorded.


Hardwired phones.  You can only call one number.  More like a walkie talkie.  He can only use it to talk with the cops and they usually cut all the other lines.


Posted by: JackStraw at November 30, 2007 11:50 AM (t+mja)

91 Carl Cameron interviewing a local guy who knows the perp- describes him as a 'the govt planted a chip in my head' type

Posted by: Barry in CO at November 30, 2007 11:52 AM (aJtCl)

92

The Fox guys are jumping through their own asses right now, for those who aren't watching.  They've got no new info, so they're recycling the shit they've repeated already to keep things interesting.


That's pretty much along the lines of 90% of Fox's lineup.  This should at least knock Anna Nicole Smith out of the box for a few days while they talk about every aspect of this fruitcake's life ad nauseum.


I'm hoping that the guy is an illegal so Geraldo can go on another two-week bender of calling every legitimate American a racist and accusing them of fearing the "brown wave".


Posted by: VJay at November 30, 2007 11:54 AM (gQ+XA)

93 I'll handle this. I'm an A-bomb droppin' motherfucker, motherfucker!

Posted by: Jules Winfield at November 30, 2007 11:55 AM (aJtCl)

94 I hope this all ends as well as it possibly can.  I pray for these people, and also that my co-workers don't hear about it until after-hours.  One whiff of this story and the annoying cackles of obese women in tight pants with voices akin to razor wire will fill the air and i will have to shoot myself.

Posted by: Joanie at November 30, 2007 11:55 AM (Z9tCp)

95 They closed comments on the thread that Barry linked. HuffPo only does that when they get scared they'll get attention for the scummy comments.

Posted by: stace at November 30, 2007 11:55 AM (A56/D)

96  Did they say "Natalie Holloway"?

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Posted by: Gabriel Malor at November 30, 2007 11:56 AM (1Ug6U)

97

As far as the MSM is concerned; if the guy is:


Republican - Typical mainstream GOP voter.


Democrat - Obviously the poor soul can't afford the medication he so desparately needs. All the more reason to have universal health care. Please don't blame the guy. It's not his fault.


We'll know what party affiliation by the headlines tomorrow whether they have the word "republican" or not in them.


Posted by: theBman at November 30, 2007 11:57 AM (/vN7m)

98 Fox is breaking away to Greta. I'm going over to cabela's and buy some shirts.

Posted by: Barry in CO at November 30, 2007 11:57 AM (aJtCl)

99 DOES GRETA EVER STOP?

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 30, 2007 11:59 AM (PDeVA)

100 As far as the MSM is concerned; if the guy is:

Don't worry about it. Friday afternoon, no real political angle and thankfully no one hurt, so this will be a blurb on the shows tonight and that's it.

I bet he doesn't even have a gun or real explosives that the media could latch onto demanding more regulation of something, anything.

Fox has already dumped out for Natalee Holloway.

Posted by: Drew at November 30, 2007 12:00 PM (hlYel)

101 Fox now said the guy has road flares.

Yawn. Next.

Posted by: Drew at November 30, 2007 12:01 PM (hlYel)

102 We must elect Hillary! Otherwise domestic terrorism wins!

Posted by: ricpic at November 30, 2007 12:01 PM (dvyRd)

103 Road Flares?  We need to prevent Chris Farley and David Spade movies from reaching the public.

Posted by: Z Ryan at November 30, 2007 12:02 PM (PDeVA)

104 In everyone's defense, what also come in long red tubes with strings on the end.

Posted by: Techie at November 30, 2007 12:03 PM (AV8Z6)

105 Chinese tampons?

Posted by: Joanie at November 30, 2007 12:07 PM (Z9tCp)

106 Techie,

No doubt and that's why they have to take it seriously until proven otherwise.  It's also why you don't just pop a cap in the guys head either.

This is apparently a troubled guy, known to be throughout the community (the Lilac City!). There was no need to shoot the guy and the cops seem to have done a fine job. Kudos to them.

Posted by: Drew at November 30, 2007 12:07 PM (hlYel)

107

>what also come in long red tubes with strings on the end.


I think this could take us into a wierd area


Posted by: Barry in CO at November 30, 2007 12:07 PM (aJtCl)

108 Sorry.

Posted by: Joanie at November 30, 2007 12:08 PM (Z9tCp)

109

>what also come in long red tubes with strings on the end.


Wile E. Coyote's party supplies?


Posted by: Secundus at November 30, 2007 12:09 PM (g6uKI)

110 But yeah, law enforcement seems to have done a good job here.  High fives and backslaps all around, and it's good no one was hurt.  Yet.

Posted by: Secundus at November 30, 2007 12:11 PM (g6uKI)

111

I can hear the cops now:


"Its Troy again"


"What's he done now?"


"He's holed up at the Clinton office. Got some flares taped to him, says it's a bomb. Says the chip in his head has been going off all morning."


"I'll get the Twinkies. You got your taser, right?"


"Yeah, let's get this over with by five. I gotta pick my kid up at basketball practice."


Posted by: Barry in CO at November 30, 2007 12:13 PM (aJtCl)

112
What a non-story. But for the fact of the Hillary connection,  things like this happen every day all over the country and never merit more than local news coverage.

Posted by: aoshq janitorial & escort service at November 30, 2007 12:17 PM (ibiEO)

113 Great. FoxNews is talking to one of this guy's buddies and he says that the guy was part of a "local libertarian movement."  There's the right wing tie in that the libtards will go nuts over.

Posted by: mesablue at November 30, 2007 12:24 PM (KCOdQ)

114 Hilary must examine the root causes?  How did she so wrong Crazy Troy that he felt he had to go to these extremes?  Putting Crazy Troy in jail will just cause more Crazy Troys?  Why are Crazy Troy's family allowed to walk free after this incident?  How convenient is it that Hilary didn't show up at the office the day Crazy Troy "committed" this act?  Was Crazy Troy tazed?  How can we believe any confession after he was tazed?

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at November 30, 2007 12:27 PM (FCGJ9)

115 Barry in CO made me piss myself. Not fair, Barry.

Posted by: ricpic at November 30, 2007 12:31 PM (dvyRd)

116 Wow, Evil Knieval is dead.

Posted by: mesablue at November 30, 2007 12:31 PM (KCOdQ)

117

If I were as insane as your typical lefty, I would say this was set up by Hillary to get sympathy and/or distract from something.


As it is, I'll just hope for the best.


Posted by: Sobek at November 30, 2007 12:33 PM (6GK9U)

118 Breaking: At Hillary's request, Janet Reno has arrived in Rochester to extinguish the crisis.

Posted by: Barker at November 30, 2007 12:40 PM (hqhsQ)

119 Mesablue. If there was any justice in the world, the funeral would have Evil in a casket rocket fired across the Grand Canyon.

Posted by: william jennings bryanT at November 30, 2007 12:45 PM (m2CN7)

120 I actually met Evil once.  He came to a local charity golf outing.  He'd found God at that point and asked us all to call him Good Knievel.  Other than that being a little weird, he was a really nice guy.

Posted by: mesablue at November 30, 2007 12:49 PM (KCOdQ)

121

Dick Morris is good.


"No one is suggesting that Hillary staged this for sympathy." 


Uh, you just did, Dick.  Nicely played.


Posted by: Steve L. at November 30, 2007 01:02 PM (eTfBv)

122 Okay news folks...diagnosed schizophrenic off his meds. Let's pack up the national live shots and move along.

Posted by: Drew at November 30, 2007 01:18 PM (hlYel)

123

Hmmm... Obama and Edwards evacuated their offices. Romney and Giuliani offices remained open.


Still waiting to hear from the DNC on whether the police should have surrendered & pulled out.


Posted by: JS at November 30, 2007 02:38 PM (qtx/5)

124 And would anyone care to guess how many of the Clinton staff just might have a concealed carry permit? No, I didn't think so.

Posted by: OldeForce at November 30, 2007 02:51 PM (NihUb)

125 One whiff of this story and the annoying cackles of obese women in
tight pants with voices akin to razor wire will fill the air and i will
have to shoot myself.


Good heavens, where do you work?


Posted by: OregonMuse at November 30, 2007 04:39 PM (JpJT3)

126 Ah, the smell of burning religious nutters in the morning..... smells like victory

Posted by: Janet Reno at November 30, 2007 04:51 PM (H1lp7)

127 diagnosed schizophrenic off his meds

Let's discuss the insanity of chasing everybody out of the insane asylum on the grounds they don't pose a threat to themselves or others.

Posted by: mischief at November 30, 2007 05:36 PM (Y0g+k)

128 I hope he gets out in time for the primary. I was counting on his vote

Posted by: Ron Paul at November 30, 2007 05:42 PM (bSYU0)

129 ITS THE VAST RIGHT-WING CONSPERACY according to hillary

Posted by: Spurwing Plover at November 30, 2007 08:38 PM (gJhPg)

130 Breaking: At Hillary's request, Janet Reno has arrived in Rochester to extinguish the crisis.
Janet Reno can extinguish a fire. Standing up.

Posted by: Jack Bauer's Evil Brother at November 30, 2007 10:17 PM (RKBkn)

131 That last post didn't work right. I was trying to quote
comment#120.

Posted by: Jack Bauer's Evil Brother at November 30, 2007 10:20 PM (RKBkn)

Posted by: billygoat at December 01, 2007 05:44 AM (zIDxP)

133

After waiting two days for the national news to begin commenting on the CNN plant debate, I, for one, think that this crisis was really convenient.  I also think that now all hope of the CNN debate getting any national coverage are now even slimmer than before.


 


Posted by: molly at December 01, 2007 05:45 AM (rpSOw)

134 When the hostages had been released and their alleged captor arrested, a regal-looking Hillary Rodham Clinton strolled out of her Washington home, the picture of calm in the face of crisis.


Wow, just how much of your body can you jam up someone's rectum? This is one of the AP's beat reporters for the election too.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at December 01, 2007 09:35 AM (hfyfI)

135 Turns out the guy was molested by Sean Hannity as a child.



Posted by: Tom at December 01, 2007 12:13 PM (1kwK7)

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