June 27, 2006

Spiderman 3 Trailer
— Ace

Meh. He does wear the black suit -- or a black suit; it's just the normal costume in black and white, rather than the differently-styled black suit of the comics -- and he does bond with the alien symbiote Venom.

And Sandman's in it, as well as Hobgoblin, though they seem to just be calling him Green Goblin. Which they're probably doing because Gwen Stacey is in this movie, if you know what I'm getting at.

Strangely, they introduce the alien symbiote by actually doing a very quick version of the whole Marvel Secret Wars story line and they briefly introduce every major character in the Marvel Universe, including four or five of the X-Men from the current franchise (plus Gambit and a black mutant that might be Bishop).

Don't pop a chubby, nerds. No they don't. I'm lying. Come on, how could they do that?

They just say the alien symbiote came back with J. Jonah Jameson Jr. after one of his space missions.

I don't know if the Venom storyline is a good idea. It's so oooolllld now. No one even looks back and thinks, "Cool!"

Oh, and Venom is played by... Topher F'n' Grace from That Seventies Show. So this will not be the hulking Venom you remember from the comics.

They shoulda gone with a Sinister Six storyline. Would have loved to have seen the Scorpion, the Rhino, Shocker, and Mysterio all fighting Spidey.

Thanks to steve_in_hb.

Posted by: Ace at 08:06 PM | Comments (59)
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1 After the first movie there was a lot of demand for venom. Because for anyone who grew up in the late 80s/early 90s Spiderman was all about the Venom. And the Carnage.

You say that the Venom story line is "so oooolllld now. No one even looks back." But that Rhino, Shocker shit is REALLY old. Like 1960s old.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at June 27, 2006 08:31 PM (S4HXk)

2 They shoulda gone with a Sinister Six storyline. Would have loved to have seen the Scorpion, the Rhino, Shocker, and Mysterio all fighting Spidey.

I just know this is going to cement my online ubergeek credentials for now and forever, and then some... but: of the four villains mentioned, only Mysterio was in the Sinister Six, actually.

The Sinister Six.

I know... I know. I'm not proud, f'chrissakes.

Posted by: Kent at June 27, 2006 08:32 PM (JsGZz)

3 How are they going to explain where his suit came from? I thought in the comics Parker picked it up during the Secret Wars.

Posted by: Moonbat_One at June 27, 2006 08:43 PM (qlF1y)

4 Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, guys, but it's just been confirmed that Spiderman 4 is locked in for 2008, but at a much lower budget. Uwe Boll will direct, and it will star a just-sober-enough-to-remember-his-lines Michael Madsen as Paste-Pot Pete.

Posted by: ccwbass at June 27, 2006 08:44 PM (PHaXK)

5 I feel like my brain just had a nerd enema after reading that post. Jesus, ace. I'm slightly embarassed by my lord of the rings fetish, but I am but a piker compared to your nerd-god prowess. Spider friends, go for it!

Posted by: The Drizzle at June 27, 2006 09:06 PM (jstHd)

6 Oh come on, is no one pining for Spidey to go up against Hammerhead and the Enforcers? And when do Salem's Seven get their own movie franchise?

Posted by: Master Tang at June 27, 2006 09:18 PM (+DMjG)

7 FUCK! I Thought I schooled Dave at Garfield!

Anyways, No Secret Wars? No FUCKING VENOM!!

Hobgoblin the shit, bring in scorpio, or some other new villain, save Secret wars for the X-men, Spidey F4 sequels.

secret wars wasn't my FAVORITE, but it was without a doubt ONE of my favorite connective stories.

And like I said, NO Secret Wars, No Venom, FUCKERS!!!!

But I guess Spiderman was built for a trilogy cuz they couldn't afford the smoking hot career of toby, and topher, and that guy who has not had any role other than being the sone of willem defoe as green goblin.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at June 27, 2006 09:20 PM (QTv8u)

8 Drizzle? If you don't get this part of comics? how about you go suck on Master Shakes straw, while us adult adolescents describe a classical storyline?

Posted by: Wickedpinto at June 27, 2006 09:21 PM (QTv8u)

9 so they're essentially resortingto the Venom origin from the Fox animated series? I warned people this would happen.

I just cannot wrap my mind around the idea of Topher Grace as Eddie Brock. I like him but he just isn;t that guy. He seemed more likely as a Chameleon, since his thin frame could with padding be made to look like nearly anyone.

Still, seeing Thomas Haden Church and Theresa Russell exchanging barbs could be worth the price of admission.

Posted by: epobirs at June 27, 2006 09:25 PM (46Lyj)

10 Epobirs? did you think that Toby would be Spidey?

Topher has put on some weight, maybe in film topher will startle us, just like toby did during the mirror scene of the first spidey flick.

topher is a good geek, lets hope he built himself into the part he is filling.

Thoug, I still say, no secret wars? no venom, FUCK the authors. Are the Screenwriters of this movie the same ones who wrote "starship troopers?"

Epobiris, just thank yourself that it wasn't casper van fucking dean.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at June 27, 2006 09:42 PM (QTv8u)

11 Hey wickedpinto: FYI, I am familiar with the sinister six series, and the venom origin .. I was merely commending ace on his comic-god prowess. Now blow me. Comic geekness isnt as cool as lord of the rings geekness. We've got elves, douche.

Posted by: The Drizzle at June 27, 2006 10:08 PM (L4lRi)

12 BTW: Does anyone else remember ROM:Spaceknight? OR MOON kNIGHT?

Posted by: The Drizzle at June 27, 2006 10:10 PM (L4lRi)

13 Moon Knight was pretty cool - he had that same sort of mystical backstory to him that made characters like Dr. Strange so appealing.

Speaking of Dr. Strange - anyone catch the 1st episode from Season Two of the Venture Brothers? Seriously wicked funny stuff there.

And yes, I too am displaying my geek credentials for the world to see. At least I didn't go on at length about the need to do justice to Nick Fury and S.H.I.E.L.D. with the right combination of set design and SFX that would bring Sterkano's vision of Fury to the big screen in all his Cold War glory. I mean, come on - Hasselhoff as Fury?!? Even in a made-for-tv format, that was scraping the bottom of the barrel. And the Howlin' Mad Commandos must be included as part of the mix! Geez.

No, at least I didn't go on about that.... okay, well, yes, I did. Sorry. I....ah, screw it - FOOM, you hear me, FOOM! Excelsior! Stan Lee is the Chosen One!

Posted by: Master Tang at June 28, 2006 01:07 AM (+DMjG)

14 And while we're at it, shouldn't The Venture Brothers be endorsed by Ace as a visual summation of the Ace-of-Spades lifestyle? I call your attention in particular to the characters Molotova Cocktease and Dr. Girlfiend. That, plus the copious consumption of spirits and over-the-top popping of various substances, controlled and otherwise, prescription and non-prescription - how could it not qualify?

Posted by: Master Tang at June 28, 2006 01:13 AM (+DMjG)

15 After the first movie there was a lot of demand for venom. Because for anyone who grew up in the late 80s/early 90s Spiderman was all about the Venom. And the Carnage.

And Felicia Harding...Jee Whiz!

Posted by: Joel B. at June 28, 2006 02:40 AM (munTK)

16 Sorry. I....ah, screw it - FOOM, you hear me, FOOM! Excelsior! Stan Lee is the Chosen One!



THAT may be the best bit of writing I've ever seen.

Period. It MOVED me...

Posted by: Grendel at June 28, 2006 03:01 AM (q1K0X)

17 We've got elves, douche.

Now that would make one sweet business card -- !

Posted by: Kent at June 28, 2006 03:08 AM (JsGZz)

18 Have y'all wondered why the ladies haven't been commenting much lately?

This post is one of the reasons why.

Posted by: No Name at June 28, 2006 03:46 AM (W0un0)

19 heh, he said Shocker.

Two in the pink, one in the stink.

Posted by: phin at June 28, 2006 03:51 AM (1IA+t)

20 Haven't they learned not to throw so many villians into a film yet? Did Batman & Robin teach them nothing?

Posted by: Iblis at June 28, 2006 04:07 AM (9221z)

21 He may wear a differnt colored outfit but he still spins the same web

Posted by: spurwing plover at June 28, 2006 04:07 AM (QtdTZ)

22 I hope this time someone involved in the production figures out that Peter Parker is _happier_ when he wears his Spidey costume. He can be a depressing geek out of the red suit, but as Spiderman he should be a wisecracking motormouth. Think Vince Vaughn in spandex.

Or not.

Posted by: Trimegistus at June 28, 2006 04:13 AM (cdbZJ)

23 Please, associating the Shocker with the shocker? The closest any Spider-man villain has gotten to touching real pooter is getting their teeth knocked out by the Black Cat. They're fanboys gone bad, far more likely to be getting slammed up the man-tang by Absorbing Man in prison than actually talking to a real live woman without a credit card needed.

I f'ing hate Spider-man villains, except of course for Kraven. And only because he's dead.

Posted by: Lapsed Leftist at June 28, 2006 04:14 AM (GqIXD)

24 > Haven't they learned not to throw so many villians into a film yet? Did Batman & Robin teach them nothing?

I have the same worries but I hold out hope because Spider-Man has Sam Raimi whereas Batman had Schumacher.

Posted by: Arthur at June 28, 2006 04:15 AM (KF309)

25 O/T: Reading the column news bits:

" Jessica Simpson's New Song Rips Off Madonna's "Holiday"?
I don't know if I really hear it myself; most of these songs sound alike to me. I never really, truly heard the alleged infringement of "I Want A New Drug" by "Ghostbusters," either"

Does this mean Ace got his sound working again?

Posted by: Slublog at June 28, 2006 04:16 AM (R8+nJ)

26 Have y'all wondered why the ladies haven't been commenting much lately?
This post is one of the reasons why.


Au contraire, No Name. Spidey, and the men who love him, are hot.

Posted by: kevlarchick at June 28, 2006 04:16 AM (bWRxm)

27 I like.... ummmm... (what was his name again? Oh yeah...) Spiderman. That's it. I like Spiderman.

Posted by: wiserbud at June 28, 2006 04:18 AM (AQGeh)

28 ROM: Space Knight. Holy Jesus, so I wasn't the only one who bought that comic?

Posted by: Nico the Magnificient at June 28, 2006 04:21 AM (059Fh)

29 Remember, Norman Osbourne's son, Harry, becomes the Green Goblin, so it looks like that may be the case here. Not sure why you assume it's the Hobgoblin. The Green Goblin makes more sense since they've been following the Harry storyline since Spiderman 1.

Posted by: Will at June 28, 2006 04:46 AM (ASbRK)

30 Comparatively speaking, LoTR fans get more tang than an astronaut.

Haven't you ever heard, "Elf booty got SOUL?"

Posted by: CrankyProf at June 28, 2006 05:28 AM (Pt0Hz)

31 "Are the Screenwriters of this movie the same ones who wrote 'starship troopers?'"

Pinto, if you think they screwed up that one, then you haven't seen this Heinlein adaption... Friday.

Posted by: Nucular Nate at June 28, 2006 05:40 AM (cmoKD)

32 Will,

The Harry Osborne version of Green Goblin WAS the Hobgoblin in the comics. That is, when "Green Goblin" returned, he was called "Hobgoblin" and had a slightly cooler outfit (less green, but same basic schtick).

Only years later, after Hobgoblin had been killed (I think) multiple times, and even transformed into a half-demon called "Demogoblin," did a "Green Goblin" character come back into the comics.

When I picked up Spidey again -- reading it for the first time since I was a kid -- it was all about Hobgoblin. I know this particular bit of Spidey's history pretty well.

Posted by: ace at June 28, 2006 06:08 AM (h7Mal)

33 If you pause the trailer, you can see that Harry is basically wearing street clothes with just some protective goggles and shoulder and knee pads. So I don't know which Goblin he's going to be yet.

Posted by: T. at June 28, 2006 06:53 AM (5YMbd)

34 My Spidey(fangirl) sense is tingling...

-Topher just doesn't have the bulk/definition...
-"Paste-Pot Pete???? Of all the Spidey villains to feature....? If they camp it up, they'll ruin the franchise!!
-They're going to mess up Venom, right from the get-go, I can tell. They could go the Secret Wars origin of Venom in a flashback using CGA (and set up a boatload of sequels, new franchises....)

BTW, dudes, plenty of fangirls out there know who Steranko, Kirby, Ditko and yes, Brubaker, Clairmont are and who think 1602 was great but the sequel stank on ice.
I even met Stan Lee; I told him Darth Vader was a total ripoff of Dr. Doom. I told him to sue but he looked dubious...

Posted by: vivi at June 28, 2006 07:16 AM (nSTwk)

35 I think they aren't even trying to maintain a bulky Brock. I think they re-wrote the character to be more of a mirror image of Peter. He'll be another facet of the whole "battle within" thing that the trailer seems to be foreshadowing. Brock will be the mirror image of Peter, and Venom will be the mirror image of Spiderman. This will show "what could have been" if Peter were evil. At least, that is what I get from the 30 seconds of quick-flashing images. I could be wrong.

Posted by: Mob at June 28, 2006 07:31 AM (f+cPk)

36 And what's with trailers coming out a whole year before the movie?

Posted by: Iblis at June 28, 2006 08:20 AM (9221z)

37 SPIDERMAN SPIDERMAN.DOSE WHAT EVER A SPIDER CAN. SPINS A WEB ANY SIZE. CATCHES THEIVES JUST LIKE FLIES. LOOK UP HERE COMES THE SPIDERMAN.

Posted by: spurwing plover at June 28, 2006 08:43 AM (Dutrh)

38 SPIDERMAN SPIDERMAN.DOSE WHAT EVER A SPIDER CAN. SPINS A WEB ANY SIZE. CATCHES THEIVES JUST LIKE FLIES. LOOK UP HERE COMES THE SPIDERMAN.

And that, I believe, just about says it all.

Posted by: wiser-wing at June 28, 2006 08:45 AM (AQGeh)

39 "I think they aren't even trying to maintain a bulky Brock. I think they re-wrote the character to be more of a mirror image of Peter."
-Mob

I think Grace would've probably been a decent Carnage, but seems wrong for Venom. If this is the approach they're taking, though, then the casting choice makes more sense.

If that's the case, Grace might have been chosen because Jake Ggyylleennhhaall would've been too obvious, or maybe because it would've been too hard to tell Brock and Parker apart inconversation scenes.

Posted by: Nucular Nate at June 28, 2006 09:11 AM (cmoKD)

40 Ace, I am fairly certain Harry was the second incarnation of the Green Goblin... Ned Leeds was the Hobgoblin.

Posted by: hindmost at June 28, 2006 10:19 AM (BKlar)

41 Is it just me, or does Spiderman have a lot of desperate, lame enemies? There's a guy made of sand, a guy made of water. About a million different animal themed guys like "the Turtle" and "Owl Man". I made those up, but I'm not sure they aren't actual Spiderman villains.

Ever since the first movie, I've been telling people I wanted to see The Rhino as the next villain. Everyone says he's not enough villain for a whole movie, but he dosen't have to, he could team up with some other guys, like you said. I was thinking the Kingpin, played by the guy that played him in Daredevil. Anyway, Spiderman isn't about the villains, like Batman. If it was, they'd never have been able to get away with so many lame ones. Anyway, the Rhino is a very haunting figure, IMO. Been trying to figure out how he pees since I was five.

Posted by: Dave Munger at June 28, 2006 12:02 PM (wLuO4)

42 Are you insane Dave? Everyone knows Marvel villains are cooler. Batman has sucky villains. Think about it: his villain need to hire help in order to fight Batman. They can't even fight him themselves they're so puny and lame.

Posted by: T. at June 28, 2006 12:14 PM (5YMbd)

43 Ace, I am fairly certain Harry was the second incarnation of the Green Goblin... Ned Leeds was the Hobgoblin.

It gets kind of complicated, and I forget a lot.

I know that Flash Thompson was revealed as Hobby, but was framed and innocent, and then they pinned it on Ned Leeds, who was then murdered or something.

But then later they said "No, Ned Leeds was mind-controlled" or something like that and that it was really Osborne all along.

Posted by: ace at June 28, 2006 12:26 PM (h7Mal)

44 Well, I was off. Leeds was mind-controlled, and was killed, as I thought I remembered, in a Spider-Man/Wolverine team-up (in Germany, of all places).

Retroactively, he was revealed to have been Hobby.

But he was then revealed to have been mind-controlled/brainwashed into being Hobby.

Hobby was really some cat named "Kingsley," who was never a suspect in the whole "Who is Hobgobin?" series.

It also mentions the various other Hobgoblins, like the jackoff who was once the very-gay Jack O'Lantern.

It does seem you're right, at least as I've read so far; Harry Osborne was never the Hobgoblin.

Posted by: ace at June 28, 2006 12:34 PM (h7Mal)

45 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hobgoblin_(comics)

Cut and paste with the h**p stuff for everything hobgoblin.

I really liked his costume better than Green Goblin's. Hobgoblin looked cool. Green Goblin always looked pretty gay.

Posted by: ace at June 28, 2006 12:44 PM (h7Mal)

46 HobGoblin's creator was Roger Stern, who intended him to be Roderick Kingsley. He ended up leaving the Spider-Man book, and new writer Tom DeFalco made Hobgoblin to be Ned Leeds. However he got fired before he could reveal it, so it fell to Peter David to revealed it. He revealed Hobgoblin as Ned Leeds in a fairly uninspired way with lots of plot holes. Roger Stern came back about a decade later and wrote a story "fixing" the mess and revealing that Ned Leeds was mind-controlled and Hobgoblin was Kingsley after all.

And Batman's villains are lamer than Spider-Man's by far.

Posted by: T. at June 28, 2006 12:47 PM (5YMbd)

47 Well of course Spideys villians are animal themed-he's an avatar of the Spider and they're just responding to that. Hey I like the JMS run so far on the series, other than the attempt to break up Peter & MJ they seem headed too.

And of course the 2nd movie should have been Gwen Stacy, not the 3rd. After Peter walked away at the end of Spiderman, she would have been a natural transistion. And a cheerful All American girl would have been interesting switch and a natural fit vs the movies "Stuck up" and introspective MJ (even if MJ did steal her death scene). After Spiderman 2 made it the Peter & Mary Jane show how can they introduce another romantic element without making MJ into a bitch or Peter into a cad?

Why yes I did use to work in a comic shop. Perhaps one of these days I will share the secret of how they could have made the DareDevil movie not suck with just a few minor reshoots and some different editing.

Posted by: HowardDevore at June 28, 2006 01:28 PM (tlV7G)

48 Sorry. I....ah, screw it - FOOM, you hear me, FOOM! Excelsior! Stan Lee is the Chosen One!


THAT may be the best bit of writing I've ever seen.

Period. It MOVED me...


Once, it was said, the Buddha gained enlightenment from contemplating a blank wall.

Tang compares himself not to the Buddha. Only to the wall.

Posted by: Master Tang at June 28, 2006 02:02 PM (+DMjG)

49 Hey that was from the theme song of a PIDERMAN cartoon from the 60s or 70s

Posted by: spurwing plover at June 28, 2006 04:34 PM (n7v4a)

50 Mister Tang, check out 'True Lies.'

Charlton Heston was Nick Fury. The name was different but everybody knew who Jim Cameron wanted us to think when we saw that character.

Heston at the age he did 'Planet of the Apes' could have been a kick-ass Nick Fury.

Posted by: epobirs at June 29, 2006 02:15 AM (UlX4W)

51 ROM: Space Knight got to be an amzingly good book for a while, and they actually let its storyline become a full-on menace to the whole Marvel Universe.

For that matter, anyone remember how great Micronauts was?

There seems to be a very special freedom granted to comics writer cranking out a book based on a toy license after the toy has disappeared from the stores.

I remember the first appearance of Moon Knight, as a throwaway villain in 'Werewolf by Night.' He was just a mercenary outfitted with a bunch of silver weapons and paid to capture Jack Russell.

And actually, I liked it immediately when I heard Tobey Maguire was cast. I'm sick of TV and film where gorgeous people are expected to pass as ugly ducklings who miraculously blossom. Although Allyson Hannigan pulled it off pretty well.

Also, true geeks know that the movie MJ not only stole the big parts of the Gwen Stacy arc, she also took on the high school role of Liz Allen, who would eventually marry and bear the son of Harry Osborn!

Apparently Raimi is too busy to ship off Flash Thompson to the war of the moment and have him come back as a grown-up who is one of Peter Parker's closest friends. If they were to send him off to Iraq I'd insist that he still come back with a Vietnamese wife. Preferably played by Bai Ling just so she can show up at another movie premier in an outfit comprising no more than 2 square feet of cloth and held together by fishing line.

Posted by: epobirs at June 29, 2006 02:37 AM (UlX4W)

52 ROM SPACE KNIGHT HOW MANY DEIR WRAITHS ARE IN OUR GOVERMENT? and MICRONUATS i,ll that BARRON KARZA is a liberal and dont get in ACROYERS way

Posted by: spurwing plover at June 29, 2006 03:52 AM (I9Upt)

53 The Plover is on fire!

Posted by: Tom M at June 29, 2006 04:34 AM (d6bNm)

54 Ace, Harry Osbourne was the Green Goblin before Hobgoblin was even introduced. The 2nd Green Goblin (Harry) was introduced a loooong time ago.I believe it was the late 60s/early 70s. Hobgoblin showed up much later on. If Raimi follows the comic books, then Harry will take over for his father as Green Goblin. I've been collecting comics for 30 years. I know my stuff, lol.

Posted by: Will at June 29, 2006 07:38 AM (ASbRK)

55 Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia on Harry: "After witnessing his father’s apparent death in a battle with Spider-Man, Harry swore vengeance on the hero. After discovering that Peter and Spider-Man were one and the same, he became psychotic and took on the mantle of the Green Goblin."
Another excerpt: "Harry has blamed his father’s death on Spider-Man and discovered the hero’s identity, and will become the next Green Goblin in Spider-Man 3."

Posted by: Will at June 29, 2006 07:59 AM (ASbRK)

56 DIER WRAITHS RUN THE UN DIER WRAITHS RUN THE SUPREUM COURT WE NEED ROM NOW

Posted by: spurwing plover at June 29, 2006 06:01 PM (UdEnh)

57 ROM was a good comic, but I liked Powerman/Ironfist, Invaders, Inhumans, and Ghost Rider better. The Avengers was great. Ultron was an awesome villain!

Posted by: drolmorg at June 29, 2006 06:50 PM (cRjbn)

58 you guys keep spewing off a bunch of baddies, some predictable, some not so much, but if you want to talk about who or what would make good vilians for eyecandy....anybody remember ( I know they arent vilins perse, but cloak and dagger??)

Posted by: Lee at July 02, 2006 01:33 PM (EEYHt)

59 Great work!
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