June 27, 2006
— Ace Meh. He does wear the black suit -- or a black suit; it's just the normal costume in black and white, rather than the differently-styled black suit of the comics -- and he does bond with the alien symbiote Venom.
And Sandman's in it, as well as Hobgoblin, though they seem to just be calling him Green Goblin. Which they're probably doing because Gwen Stacey is in this movie, if you know what I'm getting at.
Strangely, they introduce the alien symbiote by actually doing a very quick version of the whole Marvel Secret Wars story line and they briefly introduce every major character in the Marvel Universe, including four or five of the X-Men from the current franchise (plus Gambit and a black mutant that might be Bishop).
Don't pop a chubby, nerds. No they don't. I'm lying. Come on, how could they do that?
They just say the alien symbiote came back with J. Jonah Jameson Jr. after one of his space missions.
I don't know if the Venom storyline is a good idea. It's so oooolllld now. No one even looks back and thinks, "Cool!"
Oh, and Venom is played by... Topher F'n' Grace from That Seventies Show. So this will not be the hulking Venom you remember from the comics.
They shoulda gone with a Sinister Six storyline. Would have loved to have seen the Scorpion, the Rhino, Shocker, and Mysterio all fighting Spidey.
Thanks to steve_in_hb.
You say that the Venom story line is "so oooolllld now. No one even looks back." But that Rhino, Shocker shit is REALLY old. Like 1960s old.
Posted by: Gabriel Malor at June 27, 2006 08:31 PM (S4HXk)
I just know this is going to cement my online ubergeek credentials for now and forever, and then some... but: of the four villains mentioned, only Mysterio was in the Sinister Six, actually.
The Sinister Six.
I know... I know. I'm not proud, f'chrissakes.
Posted by: Kent at June 27, 2006 08:32 PM (JsGZz)
Posted by: Moonbat_One at June 27, 2006 08:43 PM (qlF1y)
Posted by: ccwbass at June 27, 2006 08:44 PM (PHaXK)
Posted by: The Drizzle at June 27, 2006 09:06 PM (jstHd)
Posted by: Master Tang at June 27, 2006 09:18 PM (+DMjG)
Anyways, No Secret Wars? No FUCKING VENOM!!
Hobgoblin the shit, bring in scorpio, or some other new villain, save Secret wars for the X-men, Spidey F4 sequels.
secret wars wasn't my FAVORITE, but it was without a doubt ONE of my favorite connective stories.
And like I said, NO Secret Wars, No Venom, FUCKERS!!!!
But I guess Spiderman was built for a trilogy cuz they couldn't afford the smoking hot career of toby, and topher, and that guy who has not had any role other than being the sone of willem defoe as green goblin.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at June 27, 2006 09:20 PM (QTv8u)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at June 27, 2006 09:21 PM (QTv8u)
I just cannot wrap my mind around the idea of Topher Grace as Eddie Brock. I like him but he just isn;t that guy. He seemed more likely as a Chameleon, since his thin frame could with padding be made to look like nearly anyone.
Still, seeing Thomas Haden Church and Theresa Russell exchanging barbs could be worth the price of admission.
Posted by: epobirs at June 27, 2006 09:25 PM (46Lyj)
Topher has put on some weight, maybe in film topher will startle us, just like toby did during the mirror scene of the first spidey flick.
topher is a good geek, lets hope he built himself into the part he is filling.
Thoug, I still say, no secret wars? no venom, FUCK the authors. Are the Screenwriters of this movie the same ones who wrote "starship troopers?"
Epobiris, just thank yourself that it wasn't casper van fucking dean.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at June 27, 2006 09:42 PM (QTv8u)
Posted by: The Drizzle at June 27, 2006 10:08 PM (L4lRi)
Posted by: The Drizzle at June 27, 2006 10:10 PM (L4lRi)
Speaking of Dr. Strange - anyone catch the 1st episode from Season Two of the Venture Brothers? Seriously wicked funny stuff there.
And yes, I too am displaying my geek credentials for the world to see. At least I didn't go on at length about the need to do justice to Nick Fury and S.H.I.E.L.D. with the right combination of set design and SFX that would bring Sterkano's vision of Fury to the big screen in all his Cold War glory. I mean, come on - Hasselhoff as Fury?!? Even in a made-for-tv format, that was scraping the bottom of the barrel. And the Howlin' Mad Commandos must be included as part of the mix! Geez.
No, at least I didn't go on about that.... okay, well, yes, I did. Sorry. I....ah, screw it - FOOM, you hear me, FOOM! Excelsior! Stan Lee is the Chosen One!
Posted by: Master Tang at June 28, 2006 01:07 AM (+DMjG)
Posted by: Master Tang at June 28, 2006 01:13 AM (+DMjG)
And Felicia Harding...Jee Whiz!
Posted by: Joel B. at June 28, 2006 02:40 AM (munTK)
THAT may be the best bit of writing I've ever seen.
Period. It MOVED me...
Posted by: Grendel at June 28, 2006 03:01 AM (q1K0X)
Now that would make one sweet business card -- !
Posted by: Kent at June 28, 2006 03:08 AM (JsGZz)
This post is one of the reasons why.
Posted by: No Name at June 28, 2006 03:46 AM (W0un0)
Two in the pink, one in the stink.
Posted by: phin at June 28, 2006 03:51 AM (1IA+t)
Posted by: Iblis at June 28, 2006 04:07 AM (9221z)
Posted by: spurwing plover at June 28, 2006 04:07 AM (QtdTZ)
Posted by: Trimegistus at June 28, 2006 04:13 AM (cdbZJ)
I f'ing hate Spider-man villains, except of course for Kraven. And only because he's dead.
Posted by: Lapsed Leftist at June 28, 2006 04:14 AM (GqIXD)
I have the same worries but I hold out hope because Spider-Man has Sam Raimi whereas Batman had Schumacher.
Posted by: Arthur at June 28, 2006 04:15 AM (KF309)
" Jessica Simpson's New Song Rips Off Madonna's "Holiday"?
I don't know if I really hear it myself; most of these songs sound alike to me. I never really, truly heard the alleged infringement of "I Want A New Drug" by "Ghostbusters," either"
Does this mean Ace got his sound working again?
Posted by: Slublog at June 28, 2006 04:16 AM (R8+nJ)
This post is one of the reasons why.
Au contraire, No Name. Spidey, and the men who love him, are hot.
Posted by: kevlarchick at June 28, 2006 04:16 AM (bWRxm)
Posted by: wiserbud at June 28, 2006 04:18 AM (AQGeh)
Posted by: Nico the Magnificient at June 28, 2006 04:21 AM (059Fh)
Posted by: Will at June 28, 2006 04:46 AM (ASbRK)
Haven't you ever heard, "Elf booty got SOUL?"
Posted by: CrankyProf at June 28, 2006 05:28 AM (Pt0Hz)
Pinto, if you think they screwed up that one, then you haven't seen this Heinlein adaption... Friday.
Posted by: Nucular Nate at June 28, 2006 05:40 AM (cmoKD)
The Harry Osborne version of Green Goblin WAS the Hobgoblin in the comics. That is, when "Green Goblin" returned, he was called "Hobgoblin" and had a slightly cooler outfit (less green, but same basic schtick).
Only years later, after Hobgoblin had been killed (I think) multiple times, and even transformed into a half-demon called "Demogoblin," did a "Green Goblin" character come back into the comics.
When I picked up Spidey again -- reading it for the first time since I was a kid -- it was all about Hobgoblin. I know this particular bit of Spidey's history pretty well.
Posted by: ace at June 28, 2006 06:08 AM (h7Mal)
Posted by: T. at June 28, 2006 06:53 AM (5YMbd)
-Topher just doesn't have the bulk/definition...
-"Paste-Pot Pete???? Of all the Spidey villains to feature....? If they camp it up, they'll ruin the franchise!!
-They're going to mess up Venom, right from the get-go, I can tell. They could go the Secret Wars origin of Venom in a flashback using CGA (and set up a boatload of sequels, new franchises....)
BTW, dudes, plenty of fangirls out there know who Steranko, Kirby, Ditko and yes, Brubaker, Clairmont are and who think 1602 was great but the sequel stank on ice.
I even met Stan Lee; I told him Darth Vader was a total ripoff of Dr. Doom. I told him to sue but he looked dubious...
Posted by: vivi at June 28, 2006 07:16 AM (nSTwk)
Posted by: Mob at June 28, 2006 07:31 AM (f+cPk)
Posted by: Iblis at June 28, 2006 08:20 AM (9221z)
Posted by: spurwing plover at June 28, 2006 08:43 AM (Dutrh)
And that, I believe, just about says it all.
Posted by: wiser-wing at June 28, 2006 08:45 AM (AQGeh)
I think Grace would've probably been a decent Carnage, but seems wrong for Venom. If this is the approach they're taking, though, then the casting choice makes more sense.
If that's the case, Grace might have been chosen because Jake Ggyylleennhhaall would've been too obvious, or maybe because it would've been too hard to tell Brock and Parker apart inconversation scenes.
Posted by: Nucular Nate at June 28, 2006 09:11 AM (cmoKD)
Posted by: hindmost at June 28, 2006 10:19 AM (BKlar)
Ever since the first movie, I've been telling people I wanted to see The Rhino as the next villain. Everyone says he's not enough villain for a whole movie, but he dosen't have to, he could team up with some other guys, like you said. I was thinking the Kingpin, played by the guy that played him in Daredevil. Anyway, Spiderman isn't about the villains, like Batman. If it was, they'd never have been able to get away with so many lame ones. Anyway, the Rhino is a very haunting figure, IMO. Been trying to figure out how he pees since I was five.
Posted by: Dave Munger at June 28, 2006 12:02 PM (wLuO4)
Posted by: T. at June 28, 2006 12:14 PM (5YMbd)
It gets kind of complicated, and I forget a lot.
I know that Flash Thompson was revealed as Hobby, but was framed and innocent, and then they pinned it on Ned Leeds, who was then murdered or something.
But then later they said "No, Ned Leeds was mind-controlled" or something like that and that it was really Osborne all along.
Posted by: ace at June 28, 2006 12:26 PM (h7Mal)
Retroactively, he was revealed to have been Hobby.
But he was then revealed to have been mind-controlled/brainwashed into being Hobby.
Hobby was really some cat named "Kingsley," who was never a suspect in the whole "Who is Hobgobin?" series.
It also mentions the various other Hobgoblins, like the jackoff who was once the very-gay Jack O'Lantern.
It does seem you're right, at least as I've read so far; Harry Osborne was never the Hobgoblin.
Posted by: ace at June 28, 2006 12:34 PM (h7Mal)
Cut and paste with the h**p stuff for everything hobgoblin.
I really liked his costume better than Green Goblin's. Hobgoblin looked cool. Green Goblin always looked pretty gay.
Posted by: ace at June 28, 2006 12:44 PM (h7Mal)
And Batman's villains are lamer than Spider-Man's by far.
Posted by: T. at June 28, 2006 12:47 PM (5YMbd)
And of course the 2nd movie should have been Gwen Stacy, not the 3rd. After Peter walked away at the end of Spiderman, she would have been a natural transistion. And a cheerful All American girl would have been interesting switch and a natural fit vs the movies "Stuck up" and introspective MJ (even if MJ did steal her death scene). After Spiderman 2 made it the Peter & Mary Jane show how can they introduce another romantic element without making MJ into a bitch or Peter into a cad?
Why yes I did use to work in a comic shop. Perhaps one of these days I will share the secret of how they could have made the DareDevil movie not suck with just a few minor reshoots and some different editing.
Posted by: HowardDevore at June 28, 2006 01:28 PM (tlV7G)
THAT may be the best bit of writing I've ever seen.
Period. It MOVED me...
Once, it was said, the Buddha gained enlightenment from contemplating a blank wall.
Tang compares himself not to the Buddha. Only to the wall.
Posted by: Master Tang at June 28, 2006 02:02 PM (+DMjG)
Posted by: spurwing plover at June 28, 2006 04:34 PM (n7v4a)
Charlton Heston was Nick Fury. The name was different but everybody knew who Jim Cameron wanted us to think when we saw that character.
Heston at the age he did 'Planet of the Apes' could have been a kick-ass Nick Fury.
Posted by: epobirs at June 29, 2006 02:15 AM (UlX4W)
For that matter, anyone remember how great Micronauts was?
There seems to be a very special freedom granted to comics writer cranking out a book based on a toy license after the toy has disappeared from the stores.
I remember the first appearance of Moon Knight, as a throwaway villain in 'Werewolf by Night.' He was just a mercenary outfitted with a bunch of silver weapons and paid to capture Jack Russell.
And actually, I liked it immediately when I heard Tobey Maguire was cast. I'm sick of TV and film where gorgeous people are expected to pass as ugly ducklings who miraculously blossom. Although Allyson Hannigan pulled it off pretty well.
Also, true geeks know that the movie MJ not only stole the big parts of the Gwen Stacy arc, she also took on the high school role of Liz Allen, who would eventually marry and bear the son of Harry Osborn!
Apparently Raimi is too busy to ship off Flash Thompson to the war of the moment and have him come back as a grown-up who is one of Peter Parker's closest friends. If they were to send him off to Iraq I'd insist that he still come back with a Vietnamese wife. Preferably played by Bai Ling just so she can show up at another movie premier in an outfit comprising no more than 2 square feet of cloth and held together by fishing line.
Posted by: epobirs at June 29, 2006 02:37 AM (UlX4W)
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Posted by: Will at June 29, 2006 07:38 AM (ASbRK)
Another excerpt: "Harry has blamed his father’s death on Spider-Man and discovered the hero’s identity, and will become the next Green Goblin in Spider-Man 3."
Posted by: Will at June 29, 2006 07:59 AM (ASbRK)
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