January 31, 2012

Some Backstory for the DC Occupier Tasing: He'd Already Been Asked To Walk Away From Cops
— Ace

There is some dispute on the right as to whether this was warranted or police brutality.

Although it's fun to laugh at hippies getting tased (oh boy is it), surely we don't want cops getting "taser happy" at protesters, generally.

I think this story ads some context. First, the video again, because someone suggested that would unite us all. And I can't argue with that.

We don't see what happened prior to this, or what was happening elsewhere, of course. We don't sight Ryan "Buzz" Lash until after a minute.

So here's what happened before the video picks up.

While blanketing the campsite with warnings of the approaching deadline on Sunday, the police were confronted by a protester identified as Ryan Lash. In the video below, Lash is seen shouting an insult at the officers, who proceed to follow him as he walks away. Just before he is tased, Lash tries to pull away from the police as they attempt to detain him, shouting “I have done nothing wrong”.

And below, from a commenter, who says she was there, and is an Occupier.

The police had come into the tent area to post warnings about Monday’s noon deadline. They were putting notices on everyone’s tents, including Lash’s, and he came out and started yelling at them and began removing the papers. He was so upset police told him he needed to step away, which he did. He walked to the other side of the park, but they decided to follow him. It’s not really clear why – he did exactly as they asked him to. Maybe it was because he was the only person verbally assaulting them.

My guess -- which is just a guess -- is that he did walk away, as directed, but then began yelling at the cops and tearing down other notices.

And at that point, the cops decided, we let you skate on the first notice-tearing, now you're under arrest.

And they probably warned him he was in danger of getting arrested when he got all upset at them earlier.

Posted by: Ace at 11:19 AM | Comments (220)
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1 He deserved tasing just for wearing that stupid t-shirt and pajama pants.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 31, 2012 11:20 AM (UOM48)

2 How about we leave the beating of protestors to Jimmy Kimmel's union thugs. The purple people beaters don't need no provocation to put a guy in a wheel chair or to bake a kid alive with kleig lights.

Posted by: joeindc44 - tebow's new lifting coach at January 31, 2012 11:21 AM (QxSug)

3 Still awesome.

Posted by: Dr Spank at January 31, 2012 11:23 AM (lVGED)

4 Ace...hear my prayer!...yarrrrgggghhhhhh!

Posted by: Max Wedge at January 31, 2012 11:23 AM (GsBJY)

5 People don't seem to realize that the Park Police -- at least the ones in DC -- are (a) usually pretty patient and (b) surprisingly badassed. My guess is that he was tearing off notices and otherwise acting like an unsocialized douchetard, and thus got his tasing.

Posted by: joncelli Palpatine at January 31, 2012 11:23 AM (RD7QR)

6 Resistance is futile you will be abated.     SMOD 2012

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 31, 2012 11:23 AM (tf9Ne)

7 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at January 31, 2012 11:24 AM (8y9MW)

8 We don't see what happened prior to this, or what was happening elsewhere, of course.
-----------------------------

That is the problem with those "amateur" videos and the MFM. That is exactly what happened with Rodney King. In the original trial in LA the jury got to see the entire video and the cops walked with a verict of "justified force". The problem was the MFM in LA was only playing a segment that showed the cops neating the shit out of him in what looked like no provocation.

The the useless shit-weasels that run LA through the cops to the dogs after the urbanites started burning the city down.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2012 11:25 AM (YdQQY)

9 If only the whistle-blowing Occutard had been tased next.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 31, 2012 11:25 AM (UOM48)

10 If elected, I'll show you tasing like you've never seen.

Vote SMOD.

Posted by: SMOD at January 31, 2012 11:25 AM (lVGED)

11 I should go find the article where I first saw this -- because your supposition is exactly what was reported the day of, ace.

Posted by: Meiczyslaw at January 31, 2012 11:26 AM (bjRNS)

12 And yes, the intelligent side of me worries about the police restraining people unnecessarily but the knuckle-dragging blood-thirsty wingnut side of me is happy to see this walking douchebag get a high-voltage flea dip. If that makes me wrong I don't want to be right.

Posted by: joncelli Palpatine at January 31, 2012 11:26 AM (RD7QR)

13 HE DID NOTHING WRONG!!

Posted by: I did nothing wrong also at January 31, 2012 11:26 AM (F6KtL)

14 Tasing?  Pfffft. 

Posted by: SMOD at January 31, 2012 11:26 AM (UOM48)

15 If only the whistle-blowing Occutard had been tased next. ******* Maybe the guy being Tazed had the whistle in his ass. His sphincter had a seizure.

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 31, 2012 11:27 AM (r2PLg)

16 HE DIDN'T DO NOTHING WRONG!!

FIFY.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at January 31, 2012 11:27 AM (8y9MW)

17 When it comes to these fuckwits, I really don't care what happens to them.  Tase the lot of 'em!!!

Posted by: EC at January 31, 2012 11:27 AM (R15UB)

18 Didn't his shirt say- "I like whistles in the ass"?

Posted by: Joe Biden at January 31, 2012 11:28 AM (r2PLg)

19

Anybody think these douche bags have the stamina to camp out until November? Lot's of tasing to be had until then.

Posted by: clonefan at January 31, 2012 11:28 AM (+yR6J)

20 Saw him interviewed on the local news last night. He admitted that he deserved to be tased and that the cops had a reason to do so. Somewhat interesting.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 31, 2012 11:28 AM (jucos)

21 The police need to get some purple EIU tee-shirts and give them to the biggest gorillas they have. Then when they get one of these goons they call in the purple shirted gorilla who beats the shit out of the OWS turd and walks off.

Posted by: Vic at January 31, 2012 11:28 AM (YdQQY)

22 I'd like to own a taser gun.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2012 11:30 AM (7uUng)

23 I love a good tasing in the morning

Posted by: Hot female cop at January 31, 2012 11:30 AM (F6KtL)

24 I just like hearing the occutard scream like a whiny bitch.

That is someones son {{shudder}}

This is what happens when you make bad fashion choices kids.


Posted by: mpfs at January 31, 2012 11:30 AM (iYbLN)

25 I shall call the tased douchebag Twitchy. Btw,  wonder if the obligatory chick shreiking in the background has met the camps rapists yet? If not, i'm sure they'll introduce themselves soon.

Posted by: booger at January 31, 2012 11:30 AM (29wvc)

26

ummmm, the cop with the taser?

fucking hot

i would hit it but she would tase me

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 31, 2012 11:30 AM (aeve0)

27 Purple snuggy pajama bottoms and a red t-shirt? Tase the fucker twice. Loved the whiny-ass protesters and their inane bullshit comments in the background too. Very satisfying video. ("I've done nothing wrong.. I've done nothing wrong...) Grow up, bitch.

Posted by: tubal at January 31, 2012 11:31 AM (BoE3Z)

28 It was an inappropriate use of force by the police.

If ever a nightstick was called for instead of a tazer, it was for that douche.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 31, 2012 11:31 AM (SY2Kh)

29

"Why are you coming after me?"

 

How about you stand still and find out, applicator tip?

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 31, 2012 11:32 AM (4q5tP)

30 Looked to me like Ryan the Plumber got tased for showing too much crack. We have decency laws in this country, for heaven's sake.

Posted by: Fritz at January 31, 2012 11:32 AM (/ZZCn)

31 i would hit it but she would tase me

To quote Milla Jovovich from Fifth Element: "Never without permission."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at January 31, 2012 11:32 AM (8y9MW)

32

Ride the lightning, hippie.

 

 

Posted by: Jaws at January 31, 2012 11:32 AM (4I3Uo)

33 "Hey bro don't BUZZZZZAAPPPP AGGGGGHHHHHH WHAAAAA"

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 31, 2012 11:32 AM (nTgAI)

34

Okay. .....So, this whole thing was planned by this guy Ryan Lash + video-shooting-guy, to get famous?

.

That's what the added back story implies.

Posted by: wheatie at January 31, 2012 11:34 AM (UOOK1)

35 They told him to walk away because: they were still posting notices he was dangerously close to them they wanted him to cool off However, asshole kept tearing off notices and they had to arrest him. It's not like they could leave him there and allow him to keep destroying the notices. Watching the video again, he looks like a psych patient and I have to wonder about his history. Did they cut him loose right away?

Posted by: mike at January 31, 2012 11:34 AM (tiIIy)

36 I saw a website, "rt.com," that said of Lash, "his only crime was tearing down a police notice." In my head I edited that to: "His only crime was committing a crime."

Posted by: ace at January 31, 2012 11:35 AM (nj1bB)

37

Ryan Lash " Fuck You "

Cop " No fuck with me "

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 31, 2012 11:35 AM (nTgAI)

38 Yeah, SO WHAT?  ...I'd still hit it!

Posted by: MoJoTee at January 31, 2012 11:35 AM (e1kfW)

39
so...

remember all that $$ money collected at the various OWS sites? Upwards of over $500K, I recall.

Where is it?


Posted by: Soothsayer at January 31, 2012 11:36 AM (sqkOB)

40 Did they cut him loose right away? Posted by: mike at January 31, 2012 04:34 PM (tiIIy) ----------------------------------------------------- Yes. He was interviewed on the local news wearing a hospital top, so apparently he was treated and released.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at January 31, 2012 11:36 AM (jucos)

41 What happened to good old fashioned night sticks.  Cops sure are gettin' lazy.

Posted by: dogfish at January 31, 2012 11:36 AM (N2yhW)

42 I would have bear-maced him first and then tased him.  But that's just me.

Posted by: SMOD at January 31, 2012 11:36 AM (UOM48)

43 In my head I edited that to: "His only crime was committing a crime."

Yeah, but these are the same people who decry "criminalizing" illegal immigration.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at January 31, 2012 11:36 AM (8y9MW)

44 Off, meteor sock of doom.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 31, 2012 11:37 AM (UOM48)

45 What happened to good old fashioned night sticks. Cops sure are gettin' lazy.

Posted by: dogfish at January 31, 2012 04:36 PM (N2yhW)

 

Yeah... what happened to the Mag Lite shampoo ? 

Posted by: The Jackhole at January 31, 2012 11:37 AM (nTgAI)

46

strange, but everytime i watch the video i keep seeing a hot badass chick with a taser

perfect elbows and no back fat btw (listening DiT?!!!)

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 31, 2012 11:37 AM (aeve0)

47
No, really, where's the money?

Someone is holding a half-mill in cash and I'm the only one asking about it?

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 31, 2012 11:37 AM (sqkOB)

48 Occupying a cell in those snazzy PJ's must be cause for some fun intros wit da boyz.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 31, 2012 11:37 AM (ZJCDy)

49 48 Occupying a cell in those snazzy PJ's must be cause for some fun intros wit da boyz.

Posted by: ontherocks at January 31, 2012 04:37 PM (ZJCDy)



He was wearing a t-shirt that said he likes butt secks.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 31, 2012 11:38 AM (UOM48)

50 Sorry to everyone that just got late night notifications and messages from me it has been a long 48 hours and I had allot of people to message call and talk to since I got out earlier today. The amount of support not only from my Occupation but my Friends and Family from home and complete strangers has been overwhelming. I do not wish to be held in regards or referred to as a "Hero". I merely took down a couple signs I thought served no legitimate purpose to be thrown in my face or put on our tents, and an altercation came about that like myself and the Park Police did not expect. All I ask is that the American People joins us in taking our government back for who it belongs to which is all of us. I am a man who enjoys simple things and one of them is the Freedom of Speech and protest. And the sooner we take it back, maybe the sooner we will be out of the parks and tents, and into the homes and care centers that every Man Woman and Child deserve regardless of Skin Color or Religion or general mental well being. [Apparantly, he also likes it up the ass in a sweaty holding cell. Good times, eh, Ryan?] http://www.facebook.com/LashDuh?sk=wall

Posted by: mike at January 31, 2012 11:38 AM (tiIIy)

51 I advocate pain and suffering for the Occutards.

Posted by: sifty at January 31, 2012 11:39 AM (WsOiK)

52 The guy was and is a dick and he is lucky this is 2012 and not 1929 the cop would have shot him in the ass with a real gun. He should thank his lucky stars

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2012 11:39 AM (i6RpT)

53 <<i would hit it but she would tase me>>

Is a tasing by a hot chick a feature or a bug to you in that situation?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 31, 2012 11:39 AM (tf9Ne)

54 I advocate pain and suffering for the Occutards. Posted by: sifty at January 31, 2012 04:39 PM (WsOiK) But of course

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2012 11:40 AM (i6RpT)

55 He pled: Hey guys. I am doing fine right now. I have been charged with 2 counts of disorderly conduct. I am doing 16 hours of community service and have a stay away order from McPhearson Square till this Friday at court for the completion of my community service. I want to make this known and public that I do not hold any animosity towards Officer Kelly Lemke or the National Park Police, nor do I wish for her to lose her job. If anything I wish for this incident to serve as an example of how police need better training for protesters. I'll give you more details later. I love you all and thank you for the wonderful support that is being given. As usual have fun and help us fight the good fight in the Occupation.

Posted by: mike at January 31, 2012 11:40 AM (tiIIy)

56 First they came for the stupid smelly socialist hippies, and I said nothing, because I was not a stupid smelly socialist hippie. 

Once the hippies were gone I had some room to stretch out.

Posted by: Martin Niemoller at January 31, 2012 11:40 AM (QKKT0)

57 ormer Florida Gov. Charlie Crist, who left the Republican Party during his unsuccessful 2010 U.S. Senate bid, told Chuck Todd on “The Daily Rundown” that he’d consider voting for President Obama in November.

“Consider? Sure, I would consider that,” said Crist. “I really think he’s sincere and genuine. I think we have a lot time, a lot of issues to talk about, but I think, in his heart, he’s trying to do what’s right for the country overall.”

Now a registered Independent, Crist also wouldn’t rule out running for office as a Democrat himself in the future

Posted by: willow at January 31, 2012 11:40 AM (TomZ9)

58 50 Sorry to everyone that just got late night notifications and messages from me it has been a long 48 hours and I had allot of people to message call and talk to since I got out earlier today. The amount of support not only from my Occupation but my Friends and Family from home and complete strangers has been overwhelming. I do not wish to be held in regards or referred to as a "Hero".




Bwhahahahahahahahaha!  "Hero" bwahahahahahahahahah!!!!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 31, 2012 11:40 AM (UOM48)

59 "Some of these big boys, ya gotta give 'em 2 shots."

Posted by: Count de Monet at January 31, 2012 11:40 AM (4q5tP)

60
See that?

All he wants is to be adopted like a stray dog.


Posted by: Soothsayer at January 31, 2012 11:40 AM (sqkOB)

61 Is a tasing by a hot chick a feature or a bug to you in that situation? Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 31, 2012 04:39 PM (tf9Ne) Shit I didn't know we were going to have to take a test today?

Posted by: nevergiveup at January 31, 2012 11:40 AM (i6RpT)

62 sorry ot

Posted by: willow at January 31, 2012 11:41 AM (TomZ9)

63 I know that when my department got trained for tasers, they taught us that the taser was to be deployed when "soft hands" (i.e. grabbing the suspect) failed or if the suspect ran or pulled away or refused commands. It would be interesting to see what happened prior to what the video shows, to see if that is what actually happened.   

Posted by: DaveinNC is all in SMOD 2012 at January 31, 2012 11:41 AM (boNGU)

64 Mobile cat shit. All they are is mobile cat shit.

Posted by: sifty at January 31, 2012 11:42 AM (WsOiK)

65 I caught just a very short soundbite on radio but their is a case on Colorado where some lefty judge ruled that police could not open tents in an illegal camping area to check if they were occupied because a tent was de facto a residence and had 4th amendment protections.   Umm judge, if the tent was on their own property or they had paid a camping fee, had permission from landowner etc yes the 4th amendment should apply -- but a tent pitched illegally?    Just another example of 'the law is an ass' 

Posted by: Palerider at January 31, 2012 11:42 AM (dkExz)

66 So the ER doc got him back on the lithium?

Posted by: Rodent Liberation Front at January 31, 2012 11:42 AM (lgw0N)

67 Drew Veysey Is her name Jenny or Kelly Lemke? And are you going to propose? 9 hours ago · 2 Ryan Barton Lash I'm not sure which it is and yes lol about an hour ago

Posted by: mike at January 31, 2012 11:42 AM (tiIIy)

68 Pay attention, his first interaction with the police is not on camera. The ripping down of notice followed by the police warning isn't on camera; that happens before the filming. The first part of the film shows him ripping/tearing down a notice _after_ the 1st warning. That is why the cops come after him; he tore down another notice after being told not to--he just thought he could get away with it because he thought he was far enough away they cops couldn't see him.

And, you know, being cops and all, it probably didn't escape their attention that a notice was on the ground in the exact spot where he was just standing.

Posted by: Jimmuy at January 31, 2012 11:42 AM (7jkW7)

69 I do not wish to be held in regards or referred to as a "Hero"

Don't worry about that, sport.

Posted by: Any Combat Veteran at January 31, 2012 11:43 AM (QKKT0)

70

53  Is a tasing by a hot chick a feature or a bug to you in that situation?

i've been tased in training, definately a bug

hell, i'm sure T's dumb ass will tase me one of these days when she's on a tequila binge

Posted by: navycopjoe at January 31, 2012 11:44 AM (aeve0)

71 If this is the worst thing that has ever happened to this man/child in his entire life he has been living in a fucking bubble.

Tase (taze?) him 2 more times just to be sure.  Aim for the nuts this time.

Posted by: mpfs at January 31, 2012 11:44 AM (iYbLN)

72 The stripes are very slimming on the female officer.  Good fashion choice.

Posted by: mpfs at January 31, 2012 11:44 AM (iYbLN)

73
A grown man in pajamas, living in a tent in a public park, protesting the government.

Zero.

Posted by: Soothsayer at January 31, 2012 11:44 AM (sqkOB)

74
SMOD considering DC as landing ground zero.  On the other hand, Charlie Crist's house is under consideration.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk, team smod recruit at January 31, 2012 11:45 AM (XrrP7)

75 It is of me being tased by Park Police after taking down 2 of their ordinances off of tents, stating how it was pointless to put them up because we are aware that they're (or were about 14 hours past your "deadline" Park Police) coming Monday at Noon and we've been aware since Thursday. They Stated "If I took one more ordinance down I would be under arrest for Disorderly Conduct." I respond with "Fine but you want us to clean up our park I'll start with your trash ect..." (You saw the video.)

Posted by: mike at January 31, 2012 11:45 AM (tiIIy)

76 Officer Kelly Lemke, howzabout you and me catching a movie sometime?

Posted by: Ryan "Buzz" Lash at January 31, 2012 11:45 AM (4q5tP)

77 Officer Kelly Lemke 2012!

Posted by: EC at January 31, 2012 11:46 AM (R15UB)

78 The TRUE definition of Liberalism:

Actions have NO CONSEQUENCES.

This man was yelling and destroying government property (the evacuation notices) and they advised him to not do that and walk away to prevent the obvious actions they would take from his horrendous behavior in the beginning.

He walked away, but continued to destroy the notices.  Dumbass.  The "I did nothing wrong" defense is ludicrous because, while I'm speculating, I'm sure it says on the document that it's a misdemeanor to destroy or tamper with the document and he was doing just that.

Then he just resisted arrest which will get you tazed every time.

Posted by: Sponge at January 31, 2012 11:46 AM (UK9cE)

79 53 <<i would hit it but she would tase me>>

Is a tasing by a hot chick a feature or a bug to you in that situation?   -----   You havn't lived until you've been tased in mid-orgasm.   BIRM

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at January 31, 2012 11:46 AM (SO2Q8)

80 I could watch that over and over..  what fun!  What a fucking retard.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at January 31, 2012 11:47 AM (f9c2L)

81 I am a man who enjoys simple things and one of them is the Freedom of Speech and protest. And the sooner we take it back, maybe the sooner we will be out of the parks and tents, and into the homes and care centers that every Man Woman and Child deserve regardless of Skin Color or Religion or general mental well being.

Regardless of "general mental well being," IYKWIMAITTYD.

Retards have rights too!

*Retards have rights too*

Posted by: al-Cicero, Tea Party Jihadist at January 31, 2012 11:47 AM (QKKT0)

82 Oakland is spending millions fighting these idiots after wet-nursing them at first. The state might not have the cash to assist the city;

  California to run out of cash by March without immediate action

http://tinyurl.com/7vmmtuv

Posted by: kbdabear at January 31, 2012 11:47 AM (Y+DPZ)

83 If Curious's apt is ground zero for SMOD will there be a slight whiff of cat piss just before we die?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 31, 2012 11:48 AM (tf9Ne)

84 Is there like an unwritten law that you have to claim you're innocent just before you get tased, or is it just considered "proper form?"

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 31, 2012 11:48 AM (bxiXv)

85 Meh, he resisted arrest and refused to listen to the cops. That's when its tasin' time.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at January 31, 2012 11:49 AM (r4wIV)

86 He stated what he did, i.e., removed notices even after they warned him if he continued they would arrest him. He pled to 2 counts of disorderly conduct and has to do 16 hours of community service.

Posted by: mike at January 31, 2012 11:49 AM (tiIIy)

87 Now imagine thousands of twitchy well-medicated bipolar OccuTards arriving in Chicago in time for the G8 and NATO summits. Not enough cops, have to bring in the National Guard, some twitch like old Ryan here starts some shit...then journalists start dusting off phrases like "Long Hot Summer" in an effort to Recreate '68.

Yes, I'm paranoid, but am I paranoid enough?

Posted by: joncelli Palpatine at January 31, 2012 11:49 AM (RD7QR)

88

By the end of this summer, tasing will not have any  significance to the media because it will become commonplace.  What the #OWSers need more than anything running up to Nov. are a few them to be killed by police. 

 

I agree with the people who say this whole #OWS thing is just a warm-up to what's going to be happening this next summer, especially if it looks like the SCOAMT is going down hard.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2012 11:49 AM (7uUng)

89 What's the problem here?  The problem is, they weren't all arrested on day two or three.  The tasing seemed perfectly fine to me.

Posted by: Darth Truman at January 31, 2012 11:50 AM (I2LwF)

90

 

 

It's got to be a setup, ya'll.....watch the video again. ....The video-shooter starts out by talking about "some guy ripping down notices". .....And he's video-taping the cops....following the cops as they make a B-line back to the "guy ripping down notices".

.

For months, the liberals have been jonesing for some martyrs.....been hoping that the police would do something. .....So, now....these little twerps figured out a way to force the police into a display of "police brutality".

 

Posted by: wheatie at January 31, 2012 11:50 AM (UOOK1)

91
they did seem to be quick to hit the taze button, but for some reason it didn't bother me, except she didn't shoot for where his shirt says he likes it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk, team smod recruit at January 31, 2012 11:50 AM (XrrP7)

92 Also, if you go to the youtube video, the description says he was having a seizure and was refused medical attention.

LOL!! You mean, getting shot with a taser causes your muscles to involuntarily contract? Wow. Electricity, how the fuck does it work?

Posted by: Jimmuy at January 31, 2012 11:50 AM (7jkW7)

93 The cops need to carry bear mace.

Clear out the Occutards for keeps.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 31, 2012 11:51 AM (UOM48)

94 Just a shot in the dark here, but I'm guessing that drooler got more rhythm in his first 5 mins in jail than he got from any of the females in that tent city in 2 months. 

Posted by: ontherocks at January 31, 2012 11:51 AM (ZJCDy)

95

Helpful Hint : Don't piss on the hippie when he's getting tazed.

Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2012 11:51 AM (h8/7R)

96 You know, a lot of police complain about the ubiquitous presence of video cameras.  That genie isn't going back into that bottle, so what they should be doing is agitating that ALL of their on-duty movements be recorded somehow (constant GPS plus audio, perhaps, since video won't always be practical).  But then the DC Cops would be able to release their recording of the entire incident (like some PDs will do with dash-cam video from police cruisers).

That would clear the question of "what went on before," right up.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at January 31, 2012 11:52 AM (8y9MW)

97 Who was the "concerned conservative" yesterday who told us that the Occupoopers have the support of the majority of Americans?

Occupy support drops more than 20 points in … San Francisco?

http://tinyurl.com/7v685yz

Posted by: kbdabear at January 31, 2012 11:52 AM (Y+DPZ)

98

I shit myself too.

You BASTARDS!!11!! 

Posted by: Ryan Lash at January 31, 2012 11:52 AM (8ieXv)

99
I'll bet my leftnut he was tased for resisting arrest.

He was doing something arrest-able; they told him he was under arrest; he resisted; and they tased him.




Posted by: Soothsayer at January 31, 2012 11:52 AM (sqkOB)

100 Pro-tip:  Don't wear a t-shirt proclaiming your love for butt secks if you're planning on going to jail.

Unless you actually want it.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 31, 2012 11:53 AM (UOM48)

101 Since The Oompa Loopa *officially* left the Republican party after 2008 we might have found the one we were looking for.  That one mythical person who didn't vote for Obama in 2008 but will in 2012.

Posted by: Bob Saget at January 31, 2012 11:53 AM (SDkq3)

102 In 1932 a bunch of out of work WWI veterans who had been promised a bonus payable in 1945 marched on Washington D.C. and set up a hobo camp to demand immediate payment.  President Hoover ordered it removed.  Douglas MacArthur ordered a bayoneted infantry, cavalry, and  six tanks led by George S. Patton to attack.  Dwight Eisenhower was MacArthur's aid.  Results were two dead, fifty-five injured, and 135 arrested.  The attack was widely condemned and helped FDR to defeat Hoover in the election three months later.

Posted by: WalrusRex at January 31, 2012 11:53 AM (Hx5uv)

103 apparently these protestors are not well 'grounded'

Posted by: Thomas Edison at January 31, 2012 11:53 AM (SO2Q8)

104 I figured out why that kid killed his parents -- because they moved him to that shitty house in that shitty neighborhood. These people have to be making at a minimum 300k - probably much more. They bought the house for $362k a year ago. Yes, housing in the bay area are obscenely priced. But look at it. 3 bedrooms, 1 bathroom, about 1350 sq ft. It was built in 1890. It looks like shit. Yes, it might have been a fixer upper but most people fix it up a little before moving in and in a year, at least make it look less like a slum.

Posted by: mike at January 31, 2012 11:54 AM (tiIIy)

105 What if the cops shot some occupoopers and ...

No One Cared?

That would make the MBM cry

Posted by: kbdabear at January 31, 2012 11:54 AM (Y+DPZ)

106 Amps always win.

Posted by: esch at January 31, 2012 11:54 AM (fZr9T)

107 I hope that young man plans to have a well-tailored suit for his next court appearance.

Posted by: George Zimmer at January 31, 2012 11:54 AM (QKKT0)

108 Wow.  I can't believe you spent that much time, effort, and energy writing about some low-life, piss covered, park rat.  Leave these people be.  That soylent green isn't going to make itself.

Posted by: JQ Public at January 31, 2012 11:54 AM (NBj0d)

109 Man, Slash doesn't look so good. Why is he at Occupy DC anyway?

Posted by: MJ at January 31, 2012 11:55 AM (/x4oj)

110 45 What happened to good old fashioned night sticks. Cops sure are gettin' lazy.
Posted by: dogfish at January 31, 2012 04:36 PM (N2yhW)

Yeah... what happened to the Mag Lite shampoo ?
    Philly outlawed the maglites for us, and now give us tiny flashlights, so the "shampoo" is a thing of the past.  Nightsticks are a dying breed, as well, for they now give us asps - plus tasers.  Although not every Philly cop was issued a taser, many of them have.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at January 31, 2012 11:55 AM (gA69l)

111 OWS ProTip : 'Mic Check' means something completely different in the County Jail.

Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2012 11:55 AM (h8/7R)

112 Helpful Hint : Don't piss on the hippie when he's getting tazed.

I think the Myth Busters already busted that one.  Your pee isn't a cohesive enough stream to carry the current back up to you (besides, electricity tends not to travel upwards, if it has another option).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at January 31, 2012 11:55 AM (8y9MW)

113 His mother told him he would never be a good conductor. I guess she was wrong.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 31, 2012 11:55 AM (tf9Ne)

114



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Likes buttseks

Posted by: imp at January 31, 2012 11:55 AM (UaxA0)

115

88 .....I agree with the people who say this whole #OWS thing is just a warm-up to what's going to be happening this next summer, especially if it looks like the SCOAMT is going down hard.

.

Oh yeah, definitely. .....And the Republican party, the "party of the rich", will give them an "evil rich bankster who killed jobs" as their nominee to apply their planned messaging upon.

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We aren't called The Stupid Party for nothing.

Posted by: wheatie at January 31, 2012 11:56 AM (UOOK1)

116 OWS Pro Tip :  Tazer beats Flea Dip.

Posted by: garrett at January 31, 2012 11:56 AM (h8/7R)

117 remember all that $$ money collected at the various OWS sites? Upwards of over $500K, I recall.

Where is it?



Let's just say that weed dealers had an epic year in sales.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at January 31, 2012 11:56 AM (SY2Kh)

118 Couldn't the Park Police just release a dozen Honey Badgers on the occutards and be done with it?  The video would be classic!

Posted by: Julie at January 31, 2012 11:57 AM (O/fK8)

119 103 Eh, it's just a phase.

Posted by: Nikola Tesla at January 31, 2012 11:57 AM (fZr9T)

120 Also, the Occupoopers are indeed stupid, but nobody is so stupid as to believe that ignoring police instructions in a crowd, crowding around and screaming at police is likely to result in anything good. People know that about anyone else, too, the exact same behavior (the crowding, interference, and screaming) is used by mobs all the time to provoke. The Tasing itself may not have been the correct response. But the "innocent" tag is a damned like by people deliberately provoking others, period. It also looks like Senor El Doucho was not only going against instructions in general (crowd control violation), but continuing to tear down the notices (an actual crime) and was definitely resisting arrest. As usual, the Occupoopers stir up shit, step in it, and scream like babies because of the imposition.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 31, 2012 11:58 AM (bxiXv)

121 Ryan Lash probably isn't such a bad kid.  At least he didn't go home, strangle his parents, stuff them in the family's PT Cruiser and then try (and fail miserably) to set it on fire.


Posted by: Jane D'oh at January 31, 2012 11:58 AM (UOM48)

122 #118 - Stick with rabid wolves.  They're more predictable.

Posted by: JQ Public at January 31, 2012 11:58 AM (NBj0d)

123

My friends, this "tasing" is torture, just like waterboarding.  These cops should be ashamed of themselves.

 

 

Posted by: John McCain, former POW, dammit at January 31, 2012 11:59 AM (piR98)

124 I think most of the "occupiers" are deeply misinformed about a great many things, but this is thuggish brutality, pure and simple. Cops now routinely deploy tasers not as a less-lethal alternative to guns and nightsticks, but as "compliance" tools against anyone not being sufficiently "cooperative." Which sucks, because tasers actually, you know, kill people. Are you seriously going to tell me that some lone goof presented some serious threat to the huge body of armed police surrounding him? C'mon. Look past the fact that we probably disagree with his politics, and it's another example of state employees abusing their power to teach a lesson to a "civilian" who's not being sufficiently respectful of their athoritah.

Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 12:00 PM (RurGt)

125 Lash said on Monday that he was taken to the hospital, where he refused medical attention. He was arraigned Monday afternoon on two counts of disorderly conduct. He's required to perform 16 hours of community service and is banned from McPherson Square until Friday, he said. http://goo.gl/GOwMz

Posted by: mike at January 31, 2012 12:00 PM (tiIIy)

126

Philly outlawed the maglites for us, and now give us tiny flashlights, so the "shampoo" is a thing of the past. Nightsticks are a dying breed, as well, for they now give us asps - plus tasers. Although not every Philly cop was issued a taser, many of them have.

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I can only fantasize about how Frank Rizzo would have 'convinced' them to move along.

 

Maybe we could bring back Wilson Goode to drop a bomb on'um.

Posted by: Thomas Edison at January 31, 2012 12:00 PM (SO2Q8)

127 Are those Gummy Bears PJs?

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at January 31, 2012 12:01 PM (vbh31)

128 Can't we just give them all a trophy so they can go home. Every Occutard gets a trophy, right?

Posted by: MJ at January 31, 2012 12:01 PM (/x4oj)

129 Are the police evicting the rats too?  I'm calling PETA.

Posted by: Occusupertard at January 31, 2012 12:01 PM (7uUng)

130 Occupy 10,000 volts!

Posted by: nickless at January 31, 2012 12:01 PM (MMC8r)

131 #118 how 'bout 25-30 really angry Presa Canarios? They'd be easier to come by than wolves, what with them being a 'threatened species' and all

Posted by: model_1066 at January 31, 2012 12:02 PM (YbQJm)

132 >>>Are you seriously going to tell me that some lone goof presented some serious threat to the huge body of armed police surrounding him? C'mon. No, you c'mon. The police aren't there to brawl with people. He was under arrest, he resisted, they used pain compliance b/c he refused to be cuffed. Sheesh!

Posted by: mike at January 31, 2012 12:02 PM (tiIIy)

133

Hell with that taser.  They oughta give him the Aunt Jemima Treatment with these here egg beaters.

Posted by: John Winger, US Army at January 31, 2012 12:02 PM (piR98)

134
110 My Uncle was a fireman in Detroit in the 60s. He told a story of an unruly guy spitting at the EMTs in the hospital. 2 cops walked up and asked if they could have a moment alone. They stood the gurny he was straped to up and asked the guy to calm down. He didn't they let go. He was a model patient from then on.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 31, 2012 12:02 PM (tf9Ne)

135 Can't we just give them all a trophy so they can go home. Every Occutard gets a trophy, right?

Strangely enough, that just might work.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at January 31, 2012 12:03 PM (vbh31)

136 As usual, the Occupoopers stir up shit, step in it, and scream like babies because of the imposition.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 31, 2012 04:58 PM (bxiXv)


Yes, their goal is to provoke an overreaction by the police or some other establishment figure. They consider themselves young and sympathetic, and thus conclude that video of one of them getting his brains exposed to daylight will instantly swing public sympathy to them. Unfortunately for them, two things happened: (A) People figured that tactic out after the '60s and '70s, and (B) a lot of people have children like this and are silently rooting for the overreaction.

Posted by: joncelli Palpatine at January 31, 2012 12:03 PM (RD7QR)

137 #133  Wouldn't that just be apropos in San Fransicko!

Posted by: Julie at January 31, 2012 12:03 PM (O/fK8)

138 Are you seriously going to tell me that some lone goof presented some serious threat to the huge body of armed police surrounding him? C'mon. Look past the fact that we probably disagree with his politics, and it's another example of state employees abusing their power to teach a lesson to a "civilian" who's not being sufficiently respectful of their athoritah. ------------------------ Ok. So next time you get pulled over, get out of the car, start screaming, and try to get away from the cops when they try to cuff you. This man chose to act the way he did and he suffered the consequences of those choices. Use your fucking head for a minute.

Posted by: MJ at January 31, 2012 12:04 PM (/x4oj)

139

"Hey! Don't Tase me bro!"

Wimpered the smelly hippy,

Rolling on the ground.

 

I don't have a problem with this one.  They guy was interfering with the police as they attempted to clear the park.  Best to put this one down early, for the encouragement of the others. 

Posted by: Haiku Guy at January 31, 2012 12:04 PM (5BXc/)

140   Look past the fact that we probably disagree with his politics, and it's another example of state employees abusing their power to teach a lesson to a "civilian" who's not being sufficiently respectful of their athoritah. Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 05:00 PM

I gave it some thought ...

Nope, still laughed at the idiot getting tased

Posted by: kbdabear at January 31, 2012 12:04 PM (Y+DPZ)

141 Actually, Mythbusters tested the whole "pissing on an electric fence" myth and it came back negative. So, peeing on tazed hippies should still be ok.

Posted by: Thrush at January 31, 2012 12:05 PM (E//JX)

142 As the grandson and cousin of State Troopers, I can attest to the fact that there are probably more thugs and goons hired as police than responsible officers.

In circumstances like these the cops should do what prison guards do -- have their own videographer/s record the events in order to remove all doubts.

Posted by: Romneycare for Everywhere at January 31, 2012 12:05 PM (7+pP9)

143

"Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 05:00 PM (RurGt)"

 

Concern CTD is concerned.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 31, 2012 12:05 PM (c7RB8)

144 "No, you c'mon. The police aren't there to brawl with people. " OFFS, he wasn't "brawling" with anybody. He was walking away from them.

Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 12:05 PM (RurGt)

145 If I was a cop I'd need a starter cart full of batteries.
That beard is also a tase the douchebag offense.
And zap that other puke with the colored hair & bandana mask.

Posted by: DaveA at January 31, 2012 12:05 PM (XFxB5)

146 Strangely enough, that just might work. ---------------------- Maybe a little golden douche on the top. Or an Apple icon, because even though it's an evil corporation they seem to like it.

Posted by: MJ at January 31, 2012 12:05 PM (/x4oj)

147 Are you seriously going to tell me that some lone goof presented some serious threat to the huge body of armed police surrounding him? C'mon. Look past the fact that we probably disagree with his politics, and it's another example of state employees abusing their power to teach a lesson to a "civilian" who's not being sufficiently respectful of their athoritah.

Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 05:00 PM (RurGt)


Don't resist. It's real simple. Cops hate having to wrestle with people. Relax and comply and the taser will stay on their belt.

Posted by: joncelli Palpatine at January 31, 2012 12:05 PM (RD7QR)

148 #137, Yep, that would work in SF, Oakland, wherever.  Just need a little training.  What kind of training?  ARMY TRAINING

Posted by: John Winger, US Army at January 31, 2012 12:05 PM (piR98)

149 On the front page of the WSJ (print)today in the news roundup I saw a blurb that the DC occupiers camping had been broken up. and I quote :" NO ARRESTS WERE MADE".  And then I thought of Jammie barefoot boy on You tube.

  God, they think we're idiots.

Posted by: Derak at January 31, 2012 12:06 PM (VEhDR)

150 From his comments on Facebook, the guy seems to have moved past it. He says he has no hard feeling against the officer. He pled guilty.

Posted by: mike at January 31, 2012 12:06 PM (tiIIy)

151 Do an image search for Presa Canario...that is one doggeh that's not to be f'd with....

Posted by: model_1066 at January 31, 2012 12:07 PM (YbQJm)

152 >>>OFFS, he wasn't "brawling" with anybody. He was walking away from them. OFFS yourself! He was pulling away, resisting being cuffed. What the fuck do you think was going to happen next, dumbass?

Posted by: mike at January 31, 2012 12:07 PM (tiIIy)

153

Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 05:00 PM (RurGt)

 

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Come on over here, CTD.  I've got some information that may shock you.

Posted by: Officer Kelly Lemke at January 31, 2012 12:07 PM (7uUng)

154 Helpful Hint : Don't piss on the hippie when he's getting tazed.

And what, exactly, do you think would have happened if they'd chased him, jackass?  Would he have suddenly though, "Oh, I'm not complying with the police, I'd better start complying?"  Or is it maybe a little more likely that he would have run away from them escalating the situation?

You're an idiot.  Of course the best answer was to taze him to get his immediate compliance, rather than dragging out the confrontation to who-knows-what effect.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at January 31, 2012 12:07 PM (8y9MW)

155 If only The Comedian was real.

Posted by: sifty at January 31, 2012 12:08 PM (WsOiK)

156 OFFS, he wasn't "brawling" with anybody. He was walking away from them.

Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 05:05 PM (RurGt) 


You didn't look far enough. They said stop. He didn't stop. They tried to restrain him. He resisted. All he had to do in the first place was stop; all he had to do in the second place was not resist.

Posted by: joncelli Palpatine at January 31, 2012 12:08 PM (RD7QR)

157 (besides, electricity tends not to travel upwards, if it has another option). Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at January 31, 2012 04:55 PM (8y9MW) I wrote out a detailed response and then I remembered where I was posting, so I'll just say "Dude, WTF?"

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 31, 2012 12:08 PM (bxiXv)

158 Okay, my clipboard apparently isn't working.  That last quoted text was supposed to be to the idiot CTD:  OFFS, he wasn't "brawling" with anybody. He was walking away from them.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at January 31, 2012 12:09 PM (8y9MW)

159 The effects of the tazer lasted just long enough for them to cuff him. His mouth was still going and when they stood him up he was able to walk. Again, it was not a full charge.

Posted by: mike at January 31, 2012 12:09 PM (tiIIy)

160 Again, it was not a full charge.

More's the pity.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at January 31, 2012 12:10 PM (8y9MW)

161 And I also think two eyeballs full of 3X bear strength pepper spray would've been both more entertaining and instructive to the onlooking hippie wannabes.

Posted by: Romneycare for Everywhere at January 31, 2012 12:11 PM (7+pP9)

162 Are you seriously going to tell me that some lone goof presented some serious threat to the huge body of armed police surrounding him? C'mon. Look past the fact that we probably disagree with his politics, and it's another example of state employees abusing their power to teach a lesson to a "civilian" who's not being sufficiently respectful of their athoritah. The police over-reacted. This guy presented no threat.

Posted by: bergerbilder at January 31, 2012 12:11 PM (j+Izh)

163

Plead guilty to what? 

 

As far as the tasing is concerned, he probably should have suspected that as soon as he resisted arrest, which he did. The discussion on whether he deserved to be arrested is still up for grabs, as far as I'm concerned, but the fact is, even if you're being arrested unlawfully and you know it, you really are cruising for a bruising to resist such a thing.  Comply.  Keep your mouth shut.  call your lawyer.  Make it your life's mission to own the police department that falsely arrested you.  Those are the proper courses of action to take in this situation.  The day when I recommend resisting may some day come, but it isn't here yet, and for right now, the best course of action is to not give them any more bogus charges to tack onto your list, and once you've been arraigned, get all lawyered up and nail them.  In a true false arrest case, it shouldn't be hard to find pro bono respresentation that will get you some satisfaction. 

Posted by: Goober at January 31, 2012 12:12 PM (QNRoi)

164 The takeaway: feces is a conductor.

Posted by: nickless at January 31, 2012 12:12 PM (MMC8r)

165 So we're ok with this now? The people who want to put meaningful restraints on the powers of government and it's agents? We're ok with using a potentially lethal weapon on a non-violent person whose crime apparently consisted of tearing down some pieces of paper the cops put up? Does anybody know if this is even illegal?

Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 12:12 PM (RurGt)

166 <<Don't resist. It's real simple. Cops hate having to wrestle with people. Relax and comply and the taser will stay on their belt.>>

Yes just ask one that lives with back problems. This type of wrestling can have very bad consequences for the cops and the subject. Whacks his head (sublect or cop) on the concrete and dies is an option if a wrestling match ensues. This is not a controlled situation on a mat.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at January 31, 2012 12:13 PM (tf9Ne)

167  Again, it was not a full charge.

More's the pity.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at January 31, 2012 05:10 PM (8y9MW)

 

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Heh. 

Posted by: Officer Kelly Lemke at January 31, 2012 12:13 PM (7uUng)

168

Can I get a video of one of the (self appointed) occupy security fascilitator being tesla'd?

Posted by: Jimmah at January 31, 2012 12:13 PM (TMeYE)

169 The only thing that would make that vid even better is if he is a Paultard.

Posted by: nickless at January 31, 2012 12:14 PM (MMC8r)

170 "165We're ok with using a potentially lethal weapon on a non-violent person whose crime apparently consisted of tearing down some pieces of paper the cops put up? Does anybody know if this is even illegal?

Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 05:12 PM (RurGt)"

 

His crime consisted of resisting arrest. That is why they tased him.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 31, 2012 12:15 PM (c7RB8)

171 The police over-reacted. This guy presented no threat.

Well I'd have been seriously laugh deprived if I only got 1 chortle in re. those pants as they led him away.  So a fashion threat and destruction of public amusement.

Posted by: DaveA at January 31, 2012 12:15 PM (XFxB5)

172 "His crime consisted of resisting arrest. That is why they tased him." But what was he being arrested for to begin with?

Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 12:16 PM (RurGt)

173

Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 05:12 PM (RurGt)

 

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So which city are you occupying.  Please tell me.  I'd like to send you an electrogram.

Posted by: Officer Kelly Lemke at January 31, 2012 12:16 PM (7uUng)

174 All he had to do in the first place was stop; all he had to do in the second place was not resist. Posted by: joncelli Palpatine at January 31, 2012 05:08 PM (RD7QR) There was a third option, though I'm not surprised it didn't occur to the Occupooper. Don't break the law by tearing down the notices in the first place. Nobody would have got tased. But they wanted a confrontation and news coverage, and they got exactly that.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 31, 2012 12:16 PM (bxiXv)

175 "But what was he being arrested for to begin with?

Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 05:16 PM (RurGt)"

 

 

Disorderly conduct.

Posted by: Grey Fox at January 31, 2012 12:17 PM (c7RB8)

176

Piece officer sock off.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2012 12:18 PM (7uUng)

177

165So we're ok with this now? The people who want to put meaningful restraints on the powers of government and it's agents? We're ok with using a potentially lethal weapon on a non-violent person whose crime apparently consisted of tearing down some pieces of paper the cops put up? Does anybody know if this is even illegal?

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They didn't taze him for that crime. And given that everything is a crime, this one probably fits into public nuisance, or vandalism, or tresspassing, I'm sure he could get hit with many crimes.

Posted by: Jimmah at January 31, 2012 12:19 PM (TMeYE)

178 "Disorderly conduct." See: Tearing down pieces of paper the cops put up. Again, I ask, does anybody know if this is actually illegal? "Disorderly conduct" is a favorite of cops who when they can't actually find any specific laws someone has violated.

Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 12:19 PM (RurGt)

179 Plead guilty to what?

Posted by: Goober at January 31, 2012 05:12 PM (QNRoi)



Do we know what text was on the warnings / eviction notices that were being placed on the tents?

I'm sure they had a clause on there that said something along the line of "tampering with or removing this warning is punishable by law" or the sort.


Look, we all know that cops can be assholes, but we have to stop looking at them with such a negative light every time they resort to the option of force to control a suspect or situation.  They risk their lives a lot.

Posted by: Sponge at January 31, 2012 12:21 PM (UK9cE)

180 I don't know the local codes, but disorderly conduct, destruction of public property, interfering with the lawful duties of a peace officer, and subsequently resisting arrest. And if the occupation of the park was illegal in some fashion, there's that as well. I personally think there ought to be some way to fine people for "deliberately provoking a confrontation with others to force them to babysit your sorry ass," but the barrier would be pretty high on that one.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at January 31, 2012 12:21 PM (bxiXv)

181 We're ok with using a potentially lethal weapon on a non-violent person whose crime apparently consisted of tearing down some pieces of paper the cops put up? Does anybody know if this is even illegal?

Unless you want to go back to "definitely lethal," then, "yes."  Heck, put me down as one of the ones who thinks he should have gotten a MagLight or a night-stick to the head and shoulders.  But, then, I believe in terminal stupidity.

And there's a huge difference between wanting to weaken the state generally, and thinking that police officers shouldn't be able to act, within reason, to ensure compliance with their orders.  They're not there to coddle you.  All he really had to do was wait until they'd left- then he could have ripped down all the posters he wanted.

Instead, he decided to make a huge production out of disobeying their instructions- after he'd been told he'd be arrested if he continued taking down the notices.

As for taking the notices down being illegal- yes, it is.  I'm sure it's a fairly minor misdemeanor, but I'm pretty sure that would go down as "interfering with police attempting to do their duty," or some such.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at January 31, 2012 12:21 PM (8y9MW)

182 "They risk their lives a lot." No, they don't, at least in relative terms. Police work is not an especially dangerous progession.

Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 12:22 PM (RurGt)

183 Er, profession.

Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 12:22 PM (RurGt)

184 But what was he being arrested for to begin with?

Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 05:16 PM (RurGt)

 

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Disrespectful fashion sense.  Paragraph 4, Section 10.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2012 12:22 PM (7uUng)

185 Sorry, the only good hippy is a tazed hippy.

Posted by: Mazzuchelli at January 31, 2012 12:24 PM (piR98)

186
http://on.fb.me/wBym9g

One important point has been missed.  The link above has Lash Zapcrack pondering what a difference 12 hours makes, posting a photo of him dining with cops some 12 hours prior to getting tased. 

He's wearing the same outfit!

And I wonder how the cop to his left feels about Lash's shirt pointing to him like that.

Posted by: Rex Harrison's Hat at January 31, 2012 12:25 PM (4136b)

187 No, they don't, at least in relative terms. Police work is not an especially dangerous progession.

Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 05:22 PM (RurGt)

 

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The rats are starting to nosh on your legs now aren't they.  You're starting to lose a lot of blood.  You're becoming delirious.  You better call your occuleader for a mic check.

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2012 12:26 PM (7uUng)

188 Cops getting tased and/or shooting own foot is funny stuff too.

Posted by: Jimmah at January 31, 2012 12:26 PM (TMeYE)

189 The police have to serve notice before eviction. The kid was interfering with their duty of serving notice. It's not that fucking complicated.

Posted by: mike at January 31, 2012 12:26 PM (tiIIy)

190 Number of tazed Tea Partiers...?

Posted by: nickless at January 31, 2012 12:27 PM (MMC8r)

191 " be able to act, within reason, to ensure compliance with their orders." That "within reason" part is kind of my point. This doofus was, at best (worst?), guilty of some incredibly petty infraction. And yet the cops escalate it into a physical confrontation that ends with a potentially lethal weapon being deployed. That's just nuts, and happens WAY too often.

Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 12:27 PM (RurGt)

192 No, it's not some fucking petty infraction, dumbass. They are required to serve notice. Were they just suppose to walk away and allow him to continue removing notices that they were required by law to serve?

Posted by: mike at January 31, 2012 12:30 PM (tiIIy)

193 That "within reason" part is kind of my point. This doofus was, at best (worst?), guilty of some incredibly petty infraction. And yet the cops escalate it into a physical confrontation that ends with a potentially lethal weapon being deployed. That's just nuts, and happens WAY too often.

Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 05:27 PM (RurGt)

 

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Personally, I think the police should have just shot him and been done with it.  It would have given the rest of the occupoopers pause to reflect on their own immediate future. 

Posted by: Soona at January 31, 2012 12:31 PM (7uUng)

194 They used the taser because the only other option was to wrestle him into the cuffs, and that has far more potential for injury to everyone involved. I'd rather they use the taser than have someone get hurt.

Posted by: Ghost of Lee Atwater at January 31, 2012 12:34 PM (KIoeg)

195 More interesting: This kid who murdered his parents has a black belt in some martial arts. His mother came home, they argued about him being suspended from school a second time in a month, and he strangled her. He hid her body in another room and waited for his father to arrive an hour later. He attacked his father from behind. They said he was strangled but I also read that he was beaten to death. I guess it could be both.

Posted by: mike at January 31, 2012 12:35 PM (tiIIy)

196 At times like this I like to reflect on the words of Mother Theresa when she said "GO FOR THE FUCKING NADS!"

Posted by: nickless at January 31, 2012 12:36 PM (MMC8r)

197 Oops, on 2nd look he does have a full beard not just a hipster patch.  And since http://en. wikipedia.org/wiki/ James_B._McPherson (B. for Birdseye) himself wore a beard our Occupooper can put 100 volts back into the taser.

Posted by: DaveA at January 31, 2012 12:39 PM (XFxB5)

198

the fact is, even if you're being arrested unlawfully and you know it, you really are cruising for a bruising to resist such a thing. Comply. Keep your mouth shut. call your lawyer. Make it your life's mission to own the police department that falsely arrested you. Those are the proper courses of action to take in this situation.


Bears repeating.  Especially if you can goad the cops into tasing or peppering you while cuffed, you have a guaranteed Section 1983 lawsuit.

I really don't like cops using spray or tasers at the first opportunity to enforce compliance.  Oblig i think said that cops risk their lives a lot.  No, they take minimal risks, despite being paid as if they took substantial risks.  If two little (hottie) women can't take this guy down with a compliance hold, they have no business being cops. 

All that said, it is foolish and wrong to fight an arrest.  He got tased for a legitimate reason, even if they should in a perfect world not resort to tasers until physically threatened.  Trying to run away isn't threatening.



Posted by: imp at January 31, 2012 12:42 PM (UaxA0)

199 187 No, they don't, at least in relative terms. Police work is not an especially dangerous progession.
Posted by: CTD at January 31, 2012 05:22 PM (RurGt)


Progession? Do you mean profession?


You do not have a Constitutional right to continue to trespass in your jammies after the cops tell you to leave.

Posted by: Mongoose- WWIII/SuperFlu 2012 at January 31, 2012 12:42 PM (KM86p)

200 Soothsayer: It's closer to $700k at "Amalgamated Bank", owned by the unions, and the crew on Sirius/XM Patriot 125 have been asking about it for a while now.

"Socialism is for the people, not the Socialists." -Andrew Wilkow

Posted by: Smokey Behr at January 31, 2012 01:02 PM (QyeW7)

201 Smokey Behr: They said a couple of weeks ago that they only have $170k left, they are bleeding money, and that the donations are no longer flowing in.

Posted by: mike at January 31, 2012 01:06 PM (tiIIy)

202 ______________________

Just a guess: this idiot hippy's petty-lawbreaking antics followed up by resisting arrest (no, a citizen under arrest does not have the "right" to physically break away from being arrested while the cops are subduing his arms for cuffing) and then getting tased for it probably saved many of his idiot hippy friends from a similar fate the following day. They saw that the cops were serious about clearing them out, and that no bullshit would be tolerated.

Under ordinary circumstances against just a single vandal misbehaving at say a 7-11, this could reasonably be considered an over zealous but nonetheless legitimate tasing. 

These weren't ordinary circumstances. Those cops were in a hostile environment. Surrounded by hundreds of lawbreakers who sneer at the law. There were weirdo punks with masks over their faces intentionally walking near the situation as it unfolded.
The cops have shown up in numbers to send a stern message of confrontation to this lawbreaking crowd that it's time to clear out. It is well known that in other parts of the nation, these Occupy Assholes have become violent en mass. 

If some miscreant starts acting belligerent, verbally assaulting the cops, tearing up the confrontational notices and behaving like the head honcho number one asshole in the bunch: fuck yes he's going to get arrested. - Especially after being warned.

Then, if he wants to resist arrest in that hostile environment, fuck yes the police should taser him that quickly. Because if the struggle goes on, that only increases the chances that other miscreants will join in. We've all seen plenty such examples on YouTube and on TV. 












Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 01:29 PM (9bp09)

203 (finger pointing)
he loves it in the ass...

Was this what Jan Brewer was saying about Obama on the tarmac?Now, I understand why the media got their panties twisted into a wad over this.




Posted by: befuddled at January 31, 2012 01:30 PM (xJU23)

204 202

I disagree completely. The police should have been able to control that situation without using a taser. That is gratuitous use of the device which has become all too common throughout the country. The police need to be brought under control. There was no aggression toward the police at all.Seriously.

Posted by: RioBravo at January 31, 2012 01:36 PM (tRrTv)

205

 I do not wish to be held in regards or referred to as a "Hero".

 

Notice he didn't say anything about "turd," so that's still in.

 

 

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 31, 2012 01:38 PM (oCGHw)

206

This shocking tasing is electrifying, and is generating a lot of current interest on the news circuit. Maybe he shouldn't have worn an AC/DC t-shirt, then he wouldn't have been charged with battery.

 

Hey, I've got a million of 'em.

 

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 31, 2012 01:45 PM (oCGHw)

207 ________________________

RioBravo,

I would tend to agree with you had this been just one petty asshole lawbreaker in a typical situation. My expectation is that several police should put themselves through the inconvenience and risk of having to wrestle a jerk like that to the ground to cuff him. Taser & mace should not be used if he doesn't throw an elbow, a punch, etc.

But again, this is not a typical scenario. They are in a hostile environment, serving notice on that hostile environment. There's not much risk of a riot breaking out when the cops physically arrest a persistent loiterer in a 7-11 parking lot.

In the middle of an encampment of tents where the Occupy Movement is camped out is another matter. Their movement has demonstrated that they get pumped and primed for riotous behavior. 

If the cops are forced to make a physical arrest in that environment; they MUST get it over with as soon and as safe as humanly possible. They cannot risk having the situation devolve. - Because that kind of thing has happened to cops before, and they know from proven experience that they cannot fuck around in that kind of situation. There were not even a dozen officers there. They were in the midst of HUNDREDS of Occupy Assholes - several of them masked and acting weird. 



Posted by: Dave at January 31, 2012 01:55 PM (9bp09)

208 Yes, it is completely clear the cops should have let this degrade until more force was required. Where do they get off forcing compliance in a non-lethal way? Screaming, running, waving your arms, bare foot while wearing pajamas is nature's little way of warning that the dude was not likely to act rational.

Posted by: Mr Fever Head at January 31, 2012 01:59 PM (SzAZ7)

209 This occupy movement has money in the bank, why not seize their assets to pay for the damages and the cost of extra security.

Oh, they are darlings of the media and Democrats,so they get the obligatory free pass.

Posted by: befuddled at January 31, 2012 02:05 PM (xJU23)

210 These stupid little bitches are acting just like the fucking terrorists. They show aggression and start shit but once our guys (soldiers or cops) start fighting back they think they can just throw up their hands and say "oh, I wasn't doing anything" and walk the fuck away. Not this time pussies!

Posted by: BallofHate at January 31, 2012 02:16 PM (5DAFk)

211 I disagree completely.
Well your just wrong.  If the cops tell you to do something your answers are Yes or Aiieee.

Posted by: DaveA at January 31, 2012 02:20 PM (XFxB5)

212

Those arguing that the use of force is unnecessary fail to take into account the relative numbers of shitheads versus police officers.

 

The cops have to bring the situation to a quick conclusion as there appear to be only half a dozen of them, and God knows how many shitheads. The cops can't wrestle with every shithead mano a mano, or let the situation drag on until that becomes necessary. The shrieking chicks in the background will only bring more shitheads to the scene, so a speedy resolution is critical.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at January 31, 2012 02:26 PM (oCGHw)

213 103 apparently these protesters are not well 'grounded.      But if they had the brains to surround themselves in a  Faraday cage they would be tazer free.

Posted by: Buffalobob at January 31, 2012 03:11 PM (qiFDD)

214 202, 207-213

There were not even a dozen officers there.
----
Exactly.

I concede the point that has been made above regarding a potentially hostile environment. (I still don't think that justifies what was shown in the video.)

If I were there I probably would have tased the idiot and depending on who the videographer was beat shit out of him and taken the camera. That would not make it appropriate though.

Posted by: RioBravo at February 01, 2012 04:56 AM (eEfYn)

215 Maybe if three police officers could actually control one OWS twit...

The other less than a dozen minus three officers could have held the (non-existent) advancing mob at bay...

Posted by: RioBravo at February 01, 2012 05:00 AM (eEfYn)

216 "Yes, it is completely clear the cops should have let this degrade until more force was required. Where do they get off forcing compliance in a non-lethal way?"

They shouldn't have been "forcing compliance" in the first place, dude. And if they were really concerned about the situation degrading then they shouldn't have let a gaggle of anarchist hippies squat there in the first place.

The guy was being a jerk and an idiot, but his conduct was not illegal as far as I can tell. The cops had no actual basis for ordering him to stop what he was doing. And, therefore, no actual basis for using force to stop him from obeying an unlawful order. Standing around and watching as he ripped off papers would've hurt nothing but their egos.

Cops don't get to make up laws on the spot, use force against people who've committed no crime, or arrest people just because they do something they don't like. "Disorderly conduct", usually a synonym for "contempt of cop", is not an actual offense. Once upon a time, maybe, cops could be trusted with some discretion in situations like this. Not so much anymore.

Posted by: GalosGann at February 01, 2012 05:03 AM (T3KlW)

217 His conduct was illegal. Claiming it wasn't makes you look like an idiot. Those were legal notices of eviction he was ripping down. They have to legally serve notice on the idiots they are evicting. You don't get to make up the laws either, pal.

Posted by: The Bears at February 01, 2012 05:41 AM (tiIIy)

218   So...who's guilty of that violent rhetoric, again? I thought it was liberals and unions...

Posted by: Warren Bonesteel at February 01, 2012 06:08 AM (E7Z1r)

219 Pajama boy clearly broke his hands free of the one cop that was trying to get him into the cuffs.  At the same time he kept trying to walk off.

Both of those are resisting arrest.

Considering he wasn't acting in any way to comply with the police it is no surprise that he got tased.

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