September 29, 2014

So TV Is Pretty Much Just for Women Now, Right?
— Ace

Just looking at the new TV shows -- Madame Secretary, How to Get Away With Murder, Forever, etc. -- it seems almost of all of them are pitched chiefly to appeal to women.

Something similar happened in the movies. 16-to-25 year old males bought most movie tickets. So studios started making more and more movies targeting 16-to-25 year old males. This led to people outside of this demographic buying even fewer tickets -- which meant that an even greater fraction of tickets were bought by males 16 to 25, making it more important to make movies for males 16 to 25, and so on.

Well, from what I'm seeing on TV, it appears that women watch more TV than men (at least more scripted shows), so TV is pitching itself harder to harder to women, thus making men even less likely to watch, thus making it even more important to appeal to women, etc.

Something like this already happened with print fiction -- women, I think, were always better readers than men, and furthermore enjoyed fiction more. So publishers bought more female-skewing novels, thus making it less likely men would buy novels.

And so on. You know the breakdown of novel purchases by gender? Women buy 80% of novels; men buy 20%.

This isn't really a complaint so much as an observation.

Back when I was a younger man, I didn't complain that a suspiciously large number of films seemed designed to appeal to me. I just accepted my good fortune.

(Well, I don't know if I should call it "good fortune." For every Die Hard, there were eight Erasers and four Hard Targets.)

Now that I'm older, most movies aren't for me (I'm a little tired of the Talented but Rebellious Young Man Must Accept His Destiny of Being Awesome character arc) and very few novels and apparently no TV shows at all.

The only TV shows "for men" seem to be those designed to appeal to both sexes equally -- dumb reality shows like Survivor, procedurals-mixed-with-personal-drama like Elementary, and general-audience sitcoms like Big Bang Theory.

The only single scripted TV show -- a single fiction -- whose intended audience is primarily male I can think of is Game of Thrones. But that wound up appealing to women, and if I were to guess, I'd say that women probably made up the majority of the audience.

Again, I'm not really complaining. This seems to be explainable by operation of market forces (with the addition of a vicious cycle whereby the smaller part of the audience becomes smaller and smaller still as the industries pitch to the larger potential audience).

It's not a conspiracy, and it's not really even "political."

Still, if we live in a world where each and every "Gender Gap" must be shrieked about and endlessly discussed as "problematic" (and we do live in precisely such a world) -- how about doing a little shrieking for the poor underserved male potential TV audience?

Commenters Point Out Additional Male-Skewing Shows-- mostly on cable channels, and mostly on FX (or FXX, whatever). Archer and Always Sunny are definitely male-appealing; commenters say "The League" is too.

But these are on a fairly minor cable channel, and certainly it doesn't look like new shows are being pitched to the male audience.

(Update: Oops, someone pointed out Adam Baldwin's vehicle (ahem), The Last Ship. Okay, that counts as "new." But still, on TNT.

Okay, you can point out a few male-skewing shows -- but not many.)

#GamerGate Angle: While the Social Justice Warriors complain mightily that video games seem to feature many more male heroes than female ones, and seem skewed to male tastes as a general matter -- I don't hear the Social Justice Warriors crusading for male-skewing fictions in print or on TV.

Seems the SJWs gladly take their advantages where they find them (that is, in entertainments designed to appeal to their gender identity) and then cry an awful lot because one particular entertainment niche (video games) is still skewed towards male tastes.

Posted by: Ace at 10:11 AM | Comments (457)
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1 Network TV for me now consists of Packers and Badger football games and the Blacklist. James Spader being an over the top James Spader is just to hard not to enjoy...

Posted by: H Badger at September 29, 2014 10:13 AM (n/0Nw)

2 Walking Dead?

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 10:14 AM (RJMhd)

3 check out The League, even if you dont care about football (which i dont) it hilarious and def directed at dudes

Posted by: andrew at September 29, 2014 10:14 AM (DADi9)

4 Breaking Bad?

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 10:14 AM (RJMhd)

5 Gotham?

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 10:15 AM (RJMhd)

6 Most tv is not fit for my dog to watch.

Posted by: Erowmero at September 29, 2014 10:15 AM (go5uR)

7 I like Parks and Rec, but that's been getting more and more preachy as time goes by.

What about the over the top sitcoms like Archer or Its Always Sunny. They always seemed to skew manly to me.

Posted by: Flyguy at September 29, 2014 10:15 AM (AIi1M)

8 The first episode of Gotham was meh.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at September 29, 2014 10:16 AM (U4SLf)

9 Not necessarily, Ace. Gotham is guy-friendly, so is The Last Ship and the new one about super-nerds helping the Feds. The Walking Dead is guy friendly because good or bad, the zombie always gets it in the brain.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 29, 2014 10:16 AM (lJaja)

10 Beheaded at work-workplace violence Beheaded at the market-consumer violence Beheaded on the sidewalk-pedestrian violence Feel free to add your own

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 29, 2014 10:16 AM (glk59)

11 Ultimate Fighter? Spike TV?

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 10:16 AM (RJMhd)

12 We have to keep HBO and Showtime because my wive loves the hour long drama series on each channel. I tolerate them in exchange for peace and quiet when sports are on. Oh, and I'll watch South Park 24/7.

Posted by: Blue State Hostage at September 29, 2014 10:16 AM (VwtVX)

13 10-Sorry; Wrong thread.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at September 29, 2014 10:16 AM (glk59)

14 My theory: broadcast network shows appeal to women, cable shows appeal to men.  Cable allows for more boobs and blood.

Sons of Anarchy's audience is intended to be men, right?  Bikers, gangs, dirty cops, lots of murder.  I'm a woman and I watch it, but it seems like a guy's show.

Posted by: not the mama at September 29, 2014 10:17 AM (5dxeo)

15 8 The first episode of Gotham was meh. Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at September 29, 2014 03:16 PM (U4SLf) ********* Was it? Shit I missed it but the ads at the movie theaters looked promising.

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 10:17 AM (RJMhd)

16 Kinda thought Gotham was meh.

Posted by: Bigby's Wringing Hands at September 29, 2014 10:17 AM (3ZtZW)

17 Men have retreated to sports and video games, ESPN and XBox. Plus shouting at strangers on the internet. Women like fiction and stories more than men.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 10:17 AM (ZPrif)

18 Nobody's married anymore either. Roseanne or The Cosbys was the last "traditional" family show that I remember. I dont watch much programming TV anymore so I may have a slightly warped view on this topic.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 29, 2014 10:17 AM (NaV4z)

19 Nobody's married anymore either. Roseanne or The Cosbys was the last "traditional" family show that I remember. I dont watch much programming TV anymore so I may have a slightly warped view on this topic.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 29, 2014 10:17 AM (NaV4z)

20 Nobody's married anymore either. Roseanne or The Cosbys was the last "traditional" family show that I remember. I dont watch much programming TV anymore so I may have a slightly warped view on this topic.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 29, 2014 10:17 AM (NaV4z)

21 i'm amazed that people even turn the vidiot on, let alone actually watch prime time programing from the MFM. if i want my intelligence insulted, there's always a comments thread on HuffPo or the ilk, and i'm not supporting the Hollyweird monster when i cause trouble there

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 29, 2014 10:17 AM (q+fqH)

22 Are producers not in possession of the market research identifying the vast unserviced potential audience or are they willfully ignoring it?

Posted by: SpongeBobSaget at September 29, 2014 10:18 AM (jtgkZ)

23 OMG..... a triple lutz.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 29, 2014 10:18 AM (NaV4z)

24 Quit yer bitching about nothing being on TV and get back to work.

Posted by: The Horde at September 29, 2014 10:18 AM (HBAcW)

25 My DVR is filled with car build and car repair shows, but I'm female so that negates this fact.

Posted by: wcgreen at September 29, 2014 10:18 AM (nJfcl)

26 Oh, Adult Swim is mostly for youngish dudes. So, we have stoner cartoons.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 10:18 AM (ZPrif)

27 I also am all for the ladies watching Outlander, because it will make them like strong Hibernian Scandis who resist totalitarian governments, speak funny English, and solve problems with guns & swords.

Posted by: exdem13 at September 29, 2014 10:18 AM (lJaja)

28 I try to avoid the alphabet network prime time shows at all costs. Except Person of Interest as Jim Caviziel and Sarah Shahi are the rarest of Hollywood breeds. Conservatives.

Posted by: Blue State Hostage at September 29, 2014 10:18 AM (VwtVX)

29 I've become rather fond of Castle as he seems to be a good character: smart, funny, had some things in life happen to him that he didn't deserve, but took it in stride. He loves the women in his life, he can shoot and drink. He's successful and isn't an asshole. He's a big kid in a lot of ways but is mostly mature and responsible with few flaws. I've seen worse characters on the telly...

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at September 29, 2014 10:18 AM (0HooB)

30 All that CSI crap. That's not too femme is it?

Posted by: your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 10:19 AM (RJMhd)

31 >>>Sons of Anarchy's audience is intended to be men, right? Bikers, gangs, dirty cops, lots of murder. I'm a woman and I watch it, but it seems like a guy's show. not really, I don't think. Personally I looked at the trailers and thought "Soap Opera with Methamphetamines."

Posted by: ace at September 29, 2014 10:20 AM (/FnUH)

32 I hate it when Instapundit and Ace steal my schtick!!

Posted by: Helen Gurley Brown at September 29, 2014 10:20 AM (RJMhd)

33 Just watched the entire run of "The Inbetweeners" on Netflix. About 15 episodes. Pretty funny. Kind of a raunchy teen comedy set in England. The creatively filthy language alone is worth it.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 29, 2014 10:20 AM (2cS/G)

34 Oh, I forgot to mention just how easy Stana Katic is on the old eyeballs. I'd drink her bathwater.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at September 29, 2014 10:20 AM (0HooB)

35 14 My theory: broadcast network shows appeal to women, cable shows appeal to men. Cable allows for more boobs and blood.

Sons of Anarchy's audience is intended to be men, right? Bikers, gangs, dirty cops, lots of murder. I'm a woman and I watch it, but it seems like a guy's show.

I can support this theory. Whole-heartedly!   I could watch some more network shows, but there is a stack of downloaded anime I need to watch, so...

Posted by: exdem13 at September 29, 2014 10:20 AM (lJaja)

36

Ray Donovan seems guy-targeted. 

 

As noted above, cable, so boobs and gore. 

 

Mad Men and True Detective were shows that my GF and I enjoyed equally.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 29, 2014 10:20 AM (JtwS4)

37 Justified, baby.

Posted by: Mega at September 29, 2014 10:21 AM (hHFOx)

38 Who watches 'How It's Made'?

Posted by: toby928(C) at September 29, 2014 10:21 AM (rwI+c)

39 >>You know the breakdown of novel purchases by gender? Women buy 80% of novels; men buy 20%. I think there is more to it than your explanation allows for. The novels they are talking about here are fluff, throw-away non-fiction: Hunger games, 50 shades for gray, etc. So these are "waste of time" novels. And I think that when it comes to wasting time, men would rather do it doing other things than reading novels. The idea of wasting time by reading dumb fluff novels is very appealing to many women. Men might are probably more interested in wasting their time on, say: watching sports or movies, playing video games, reading magazines, etc. In other words, the issue here isn't the lack of novels directed towards men, exactly, but rather the fact that most modern literature is paperback trash by traditional standards.

Posted by: The FBI at September 29, 2014 10:21 AM (D0bIN)

40 I also think men have to divide their spare time more with video games and sports, and thus don't watch as much scripted TV. The only shows my husband will watch with me are Walking Dead, Mad Men, Game of Thrones, Grimm, and Fallen Skies (damn, that show got really boring).  He used to watch shows like The Shield with me, but he's burnt out on anti-heroes so he won't watch SoA. 

Posted by: not the mama at September 29, 2014 10:21 AM (5dxeo)

41 Western culture has been trending in a heavily matriarchal direction for the last decade (at least). It isn't surprising then that you see this pattern in one of the most important modes of communicating said culture.

Posted by: 18-1 at September 29, 2014 10:21 AM (5DM9u)

42 /sock-off

Posted by: dan-O at September 29, 2014 10:21 AM (D0bIN)

43 >>>All that CSI crap. That's not too femme is it? ... mixed audience I would say. Maybe slightly male-skewing, but not much. so yeah I can watch those. but there are very few shows for men that a woman would think are "too dude-y." You see a lot of shows that are plainly "too chick-y" for guys, unless they are weepy little vagina men, like Sonny Bunch.

Posted by: ace at September 29, 2014 10:21 AM (/FnUH)

44 Real Men Watch ____

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2014 10:21 AM (IXrOn)

45 Prime time TV is mostly made for middle-aged women. Haven't watched a show on broadcast in forever. I tried to watch the Agents of Shield crap show. Had the uber-cliched Action Chick. Several actually. Just got bored. And I like stupid superhero crap.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 10:21 AM (ZPrif)

46 I don't even watch TV!

Posted by: obligatory comment at September 29, 2014 10:22 AM (Tj+s6)

47

>>>Sons of Anarchy's audience is intended to be men, right?

 

Only people I know into that are all women

Posted by: Bigby's Wringing Hands at September 29, 2014 10:22 AM (3ZtZW)

48 At least there's still sports. . . . but BRACE YOURSELVES! for the Pink Wave next month.

Posted by: logprof at September 29, 2014 10:23 AM (ItKjd)

49 I'd Rather Be Gaming

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2014 10:23 AM (IXrOn)

50

Real Men Watch ____

 

their own home-made porn.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 29, 2014 10:23 AM (JtwS4)

51 HBO also had East Bound And Down, which was, I think, intended to skew male pretty much exclusively.

Posted by: Flyguy at September 29, 2014 10:23 AM (AIi1M)

52 What difference, at this point, does it make?!1!?1/1?!??

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 29, 2014 10:23 AM (HSmrB)

53 The walking dead and breaking bad are popular with my husband and son.

Posted by: NCKate at September 29, 2014 10:23 AM (rsQ+N)

54 College and pro football is skewed to me, methinks.

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at September 29, 2014 10:24 AM (Jk/zI)

55 I can support this theory. Whole-heartedly! I could watch some more network shows, but there is a stack of downloaded anime I need to watch, so...

Posted by: exdem13 at September 29, 2014 03:20 PM (lJaja)


Oh yeah, forgot about the anime.  My husband's reading interests are manga and web comics, and he watches some anime, too (I got into Bleach for a while, too, but got bored with it and haven't kept up).

Posted by: not the mama at September 29, 2014 10:24 AM (5dxeo)

56 Who watches 'How It's Made'?
----------------------------

That was my favorite show when I transitioned to HD.

LOOK HOW F**KING SHINY THAT GEAR IS (said me for like ten straight days)

Posted by: Mega at September 29, 2014 10:24 AM (hHFOx)

57 Don't ask me. I watched an old "Black Sheep Sqaudron" last night. loved that show when I was a kid.

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 29, 2014 10:24 AM (6/J77)

58 mixed audience I would say. Maybe slightly male-skewing, but not much. so yeah I can watch those. but there are very few shows for men that a woman would think are "too dude-y." You see a lot of shows that are plainly "too chick-y" for guys, unless they are weepy little vagina men, like Sonny Bunch. Posted by: ace at September 29, 2014 03:21 PM (/FnUH) ************* Well shit. There's also that Ninja Warrior crap. That's sorta butch.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 10:24 AM (RJMhd)

59 their own home-made porn. Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 29, 2014 03:23 PM (JtwS4) Is it still home-made when the webcam is in somebody else's home?

Posted by: CM at September 29, 2014 10:24 AM (0NdlF)

60 I'm trying to think of scripted shows that are men only and I really can't think of any. Most of the ones I watch seem to be pretty much cross gender appealing. Walking dead appeals to both. I think Turn (maybe it's now called Turn: Washingtons Spies) appeals to both because women get admire the period outfits. Supernatural can appeal to guys but women definitely watch it and let it get filled with lots of chick emotional stuff. Nothing that is primarily guys only. Even The Last Ship sticks in the emotional stuff for the chicks.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 29, 2014 10:24 AM (X0046)

61 The season of Game of Thrones I saw seemed to have cock shots in almost every episode. I assumed that show was targeted at teh wimmens.

Posted by: eleven at September 29, 2014 10:24 AM (7Y6v2)

62 I only ever watch the networks for football, and the endless ads for their crappy shows confirm I'm not missing much. Got rid of cable a couple years ago, Stream anything I want to watch. I recommend it- huge money savings.

Posted by: brak at September 29, 2014 10:24 AM (Tj+s6)

63 "Something like this already happened with print fiction -- women, I think, were always better readers than men, and furthermore enjoyed fiction more. So publishers bought more female-skewing novels, thus making it less likely men would buy novels."

Do not overlook the role of the overtly feminized modern school system in this trend.

Female teachers and female school administrators have concluded that, why, there's _nothing_ that an 11-year-old male wants to be reading at that age more than a healthy dose of Joyce Carol Oates, with a blast of Maya Angelou as a chaser.

Those same feminist school types then shrug and say, "It's a total mystery," as the boys under their tutelage choke back vomit, and bite their tongues hard, and switch off from reading with often permanent effect.

Even here in the SF Bay Area, liberal moonbat parents are getting worried about their sons' long term educational prospects under such regimes, and are starting to steer those boys to unisex private schools, with a curriculum geared to stuff boys actually do want to read.

And what do boys want to read? Thrilling tales of action and adventure with a strong plot and a male protagonist. They are not so much into plotless endless talking, nor interested by character development focused on internal feelings.

Why, it's almost as though there were some powerful chromosomal factor in the brain development of children. Though we know that can't possibly be true.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 29, 2014 10:25 AM (noWW6)

64 Who watches 'How It's Made'? I do! I do! In fact, when I got home from my gigs this morning, B'Gal and I watched five of them in a row. I watch them somewhat wistfully these days, since it reminds me of my past life in manufacturing. I mostly watch sports these days: NASCAR, drag racing, drag boat racing, kollidge football, with some music from Palladia thrown in.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at September 29, 2014 10:25 AM (0HooB)

65 Women just watch a lot more TV than men, so TV produces more to cater to that market. Same thing happened with novels.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 10:25 AM (ZPrif)

66 Something like this already happened with print fiction -- women, I think, were always better readers than men, and furthermore enjoyed fiction more. So publishers bought more female-skewing novels, thus making it less likely men would buy novels. I don't know about better readers, but I have a frenemy who is a NYT best selling author. He had me read a galley of one of his books, and there was one part that just didn't work for me. He told me then (and this was probably 20 years ago now) that it might not work for me, but that he was writing for a female audience because women bought 65% hardcover books. I don't know what the numbers are now but I would bet that they have gone more toward women. Look at the list publicized in the book thread. Most of the top authors are either women or write for women (or young women - notice how many of the YA books have strong femal characters - Divergent, Hunger Games...)

Posted by: blaster at September 29, 2014 10:25 AM (OYEUO)

67 This is EXACTLY what I've been talking about with [insert pet issue here].

Posted by: Mega at September 29, 2014 10:26 AM (hHFOx)

68 Don't forget all of the premium cable shows, which seem to appeal to men. There are some women's shows, like Outlander and SITC, but seems like a majority are geared to those who enjoy a lot of sex a violence that's not permitted on regular TV - Rome, Deadwood, Sopranos, etc.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 10:26 AM (D/504)

69 Can't wait for The Vikings Season 3. That's not a girly show and it's gory fun.

Posted by: logprof at September 29, 2014 10:26 AM (ItKjd)

70 I would wager that men buy more history books and biographies (of substantial personages, not TV stars) than women.
It's a shame that our education system has become so feminized. When given exposure to it, most boys take to history. You know, wars and stuff...

Posted by: JoeF. at September 29, 2014 10:26 AM (5itMW)

71 Ace-- After reading that you do not like The Dark Knight and Inception I just think a show that would hit you in the right spot might be a huge miss for near everyone else.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 10:26 AM (RJMhd)

72 McHale's Navy has not stood the Test of Time.

Posted by: toby928(C) at September 29, 2014 10:27 AM (rwI+c)

73 I can watch and enjoy some chick shows like "House". Plus I like Cuddy's butt.

Posted by: eleven at September 29, 2014 10:27 AM (7Y6v2)

74 Worked in retail book sales for a while. 80-20 sounds about right. Except for a few sci-fi series/sub-genres. You could spot those geeks a mile away. Way too much shelf space devoted to cheapo romances, that was all chicks, all the time. Best place in the store for opportunistic ogling. Women buying books for men was common. Almost always steered them to popular non-fiction (Longitude, How the Irish Saved Civilization, etc.) or Tom Clancy-style stuff if the guy wasn't a big reader.

Posted by: Lincolntf at September 29, 2014 10:27 AM (2cS/G)

75 Justified has been pretty good

Posted by: The Jackhole at September 29, 2014 10:27 AM (6/J77)

76 James Spader being an over the top James Spader is just to hard not to enjoy...
No spoilers. We won't watch season 2 until it is on NetFlix.

Posted by: fluffy at September 29, 2014 10:27 AM (Ua6T/)

77 All that CSI crap. - Did you guys see the commercial for the latest CSI series premiere? I wish I could quote it but it's something like groundbreaking new series. Then it is revealed that it is yet another CSI, this time with Cheer's Sam Malone in Tempe Arizona or somewhere. Yeah, boy, now that's originality.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 29, 2014 10:27 AM (j6e8f)

78 God, I know. I can't wait for basketball and hockey to start up again.

Posted by: Brewdog at September 29, 2014 10:27 AM (ZgUuK)

79 I like Modern Family{/i] yeah Just Shoot Me. Too femme?

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 10:28 AM (RJMhd)

80 Don't forget that if anything appeals too strongly to men the "Spiderwoman's ass is too big and her pose is too sexy" crowd will flip shit and go after the producers and advertisers until they agree to change or eliminate the elements that men like.

'Cause social justice.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at September 29, 2014 10:28 AM (M6Vhk)

81 I hate reality shows, but my husband loves ones like Alaska State Troopers, naked and Afraid, and the fishing ones (set in MA with tons o'swearing).
There are actually a lot of male-oriented reality shows.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 10:28 AM (D/504)

82 but there are very few shows for men that a woman would think are "too dude-y." ----- How much of that is do you think might be deliberate social engineering??? Men in programming and advertising IMHO..... are protrayed at best as soft amiable doofuses. Think back twenty or so years and you can find "The Rifleman", The Malboro Man, John Wayne, Rambo, hell even in cartoons you had Johnny Quest. You just dont see positive portrayals of masculinity in todays mediums anymore.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 29, 2014 10:28 AM (NaV4z)

83 Warehouse 13 is a good example of the chickification of scifi on TV. And as the series went on it target the female demo more and more. I'm a sucker for scifi, but I just got bored and stopped watching. And Falling Skies started off interesting, but got super stupid. Especially this last season.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 10:28 AM (ZPrif)

84 Was McGyver well received by female audiences? Its not a current example to be sure, but I damn near loved that show.

Posted by: Flyguy at September 29, 2014 10:28 AM (AIi1M)

85 Oh, I forgot to mention just how easy Stana Katic is on the old eyeballs. I'd drink her bathwater. Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit at September 29, 2014 03:20 PM (0HooB) I'd gargle he diareah

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at September 29, 2014 10:28 AM (HSmrB)

86 You see a lot of shows that are plainly "too chick-y" for guys, unless they are weepy little vagina men, like Sonny Bunch.
Wait, Sonny Bunch is a man?

Posted by: fluffy at September 29, 2014 10:28 AM (Ua6T/)

87 And so on. You know the breakdown of novel purchases by gender? Women buy 80% of novels; men buy 20%.

Let me fix that statement for you, Ace. "Women buy 80% of print novels in snooty bookstores with fat window cats that don't shelf anything by right of center authors."

Now on Amazon.com, where they will sell you an audio book, -book, or even an old-fashioned hard copy book by anyone anywhere who bothers to publish a book, guys are buying up lots of novels in various formats. Just ask Larry Correia, the highest-earning author shunned in his field.  

Posted by: exdem13 at September 29, 2014 10:29 AM (lJaja)

88 That's why Dredd was such a great film.

Zero-point-fucking-zero romantic content.

Look, I don't rent a romantic comedy to see a car chase or a gun fight, why the hell do I have to have see a "love interest" subplot in every damned action movie?

Anyway, that's why Godell sucks: It's like the CEO of Coke saying, "We need to change Coke so that it's more like what Pepsi drinkers prefer."



Posted by: RoyalOil at September 29, 2014 10:29 AM (VjL9S)

89 Justified I'd say is mostly for men, pretty excellent show (that's going away).

Posted by: waelse1 at September 29, 2014 10:29 AM (t0oo5)

90 Game of Thrones is 42% women watching, 50% women talking about it on social media. Lili loofbourow @ slate 16 June complained that it "fails the female gaze". She wants more nekkid men.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 29, 2014 10:29 AM (pVyaq)

91 81 I hate reality shows, but my husband loves ones like Alaska State Troopers, naked and Afraid, and the fishing ones (set in MA with tons o'swearing). There are actually a lot of male-oriented reality shows. Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 03:28 PM (D/504) ************** Hill Billy Hand Fishing--that one was pretty butch. Aslo that Gold Digging in Alaska--whatever the name of that one was.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 10:29 AM (RJMhd)

92 Foxy Brown was on BET yesterday, no cuts, boobehs and all. First time I've watched BET in a long while. OK, first time I've EVER watched BET.

Posted by: Citizen X at September 29, 2014 10:30 AM (7ObY1)

93 61 The season of Game of Thrones I saw seemed to have cock shots in almost every episode.

I assumed that show was targeted at teh wimmens.

Posted by: eleven at September 29, 2014 03:24 PM (7Y6v2)


Contrary to what a lot of men think (Anthony Weiner comes to mind), women aren't that into cock shots.  I think butt shots are more appealing to women.

Posted by: not the mama at September 29, 2014 10:30 AM (5dxeo)

94 Kinda thought Gotham was meh.

Posted by: Bigby's Wringing Hands


Same. They had lots to work with but went the safe, anodyne route that WB usually does. The sets and filming are great but the story and dialog are major let downs.

Gawker has post that outlines why the whole show is destined to be pointless as the batman was supposed to be the main driver of reform in Gotham. So what's Gordon gonna do besides screw up a lot and allow the rise of the supervillains before Moneypants Mcbatty shows up?

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at September 29, 2014 10:30 AM (sDQnB)

95 Who are all the ads catering to? Let's think about this for a minute.

Posted by: Mega at September 29, 2014 10:30 AM (hHFOx)

96 More... the vast majority of shows are not just pro female... But anti Male. Men are always idiots. Women somehow constantly beat the crap out of Men. And Honor, and Integrity, are constantly shown to be a negative... Hell... catch the first Gotham episode...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 29, 2014 10:30 AM (f0pWu)

97 >>>HBO also had East Bound And Down, which was, I think, intended to skew male pretty much exclusively. hahaha, yes, definitely. probably the malest conceivable show, actually.

Posted by: ace at September 29, 2014 10:30 AM (/FnUH)

98 Can't wait for The Vikings Season 3. That's not a girly show and it's gory fun. Posted by: logprof at September 29, 2014 03:26 PM (ItKjd) --- Okay..... I do watch Vikings.... and its a manly show for sure....

Posted by: fixerupper at September 29, 2014 10:30 AM (NaV4z)

99 Any old time sit-com with a laff track gives me the hate shivers.

Posted by: eleven at September 29, 2014 10:31 AM (7Y6v2)

100 Women decide how approx 75% of discretionary household income gets spent. So advertisers advertise to women (why "dad" is always the idiot). The networks want those advertisers, so they air shows that appeal to women. The pandering - It's one of the most brutal aspects of the War on Women.

Posted by: forest at September 29, 2014 10:31 AM (stMuz)

101 I'm no longer part of the wanted demographics. My hair is white and habits are established. Fuck tv.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Jay Cutler is my MVP at September 29, 2014 10:31 AM (2Aj5D)

102 I'm no longer part of the wanted demographics. My hair is white and habits are established. Fuck tv.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Jay Cutler is my MVP at September 29, 2014 10:31 AM (2Aj5D)

103 I'm no longer part of the wanted demographics. My hair is white and habits are established. Fuck tv.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Jay Cutler is my MVP at September 29, 2014 10:31 AM (2Aj5D)

104 I thought the pilot for Gotham was good and it is male-friendly. Breaking Bad is for doodz. You lose your woman card if you watch it.

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 29, 2014 10:31 AM (pVyaq)

105 While the networks and cable networks have been working overtime to get female viewers with their scripted shows, those same companies have been working even harder to get male viewers with sports programming. The number one show on TV? Sunday Night Football The non premium cable network that costs subscribers the most? ESPN. 25 years ago there was ESPN. Today we have EPSN2, ESPNU, ESPNNews, Longhorn Network, SEC Network, PAC12 Network, Big10 Network, CBS Sportsnetwork, NBC SportsNetwork, FoxSports1, FoxSports2, FoxSoccerPlus, BeIn Sports, Golf Channel, Tennis Channel, NHL Network, NFL Network, NBA Network, MLB Network, Universal Sports Network, and each state or region has at least one "local" sports network. It's why you can watch about any sport you want to now when in the past you hoped and prayed that you could catch a glimpse of Australian Rules Football at 3am on ESPN and now you can watch 3-4 games a week. This is why sports programming hasn't gone to the "Netflix" model yet because it brings in such a male dominated viewership that the networks will pay top dollar for it knowing that beer companies and car companies will line up and say "shut up and take my money".

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at September 29, 2014 10:31 AM (+Fae7)

106 discovery channel is for men, right? My women automatically go into cruise control when mythbusters comes on, or How it's Made. And...October is here. The BEST month of the year. world series, football (americano)(albeit fucking pink month, motherfuckers), and the world series of poker. All of which I guarantee no women will watch unless pretending to enjoy for make benefit boyfriend.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 29, 2014 10:31 AM (Xr7hz)

107 Same shit in Games. Chicks skew apps and casual games. Think Facebook, IPhone, MMOs etx. It's the rare one that gets both. Think Candy Crush. While Men skew console, PC, and AAA. Think Destiny, GTA. We'll see how the money skews in the next few years and that will determine where gaming goes in the next 10 years.

Posted by: Zakn at September 29, 2014 10:31 AM (ec1Ol)

108 Lost in Space was a good show, at least until Dr. Smith showed up and then it went downhill from there.

Posted by: Killerdog at September 29, 2014 10:31 AM (mekjr)

109 It's like the CEO of Coke saying, "We need to change Coke so that it's more like what Pepsi drinkers prefer."
--------------------------

Didn't they actually try that?

Posted by: Mega at September 29, 2014 10:32 AM (hHFOx)

110 You just dont see positive portrayals of masculinity in todays mediums anymore. No you don't. And yes, it's on purpose.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at September 29, 2014 10:32 AM (0HooB)

111 I have a great show geared towards both sexes equally. It's like asexual.

Posted by: Lena Dunham at September 29, 2014 10:32 AM (HstNY)

112 ooops what the hell did i just do there? Maybe Hammers cat has invaded the house.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian, Jay Cutler is my MVP at September 29, 2014 10:32 AM (2Aj5D)

113 And Falling Skies started off interesting, but got super stupid. Especially this last season. You know, I have wondered what happened to some series I liked - I thought it was just the writers ran out of gas, but I realized - they chickified the dang things, making them more soap operas than scifi. Like Revolution. Ick. And Fringe - just lost me after a while. And Falling Skies. Yep, they chicked them out. However - I watch Rizzoli and Isles which is super chicky but I get to keep my man card because they are hawt.

Posted by: blaster at September 29, 2014 10:32 AM (OYEUO)

114 69 Can't wait for The Vikings Season 3. That's not a girly show and it's gory fun.

Posted by: logprof at September 29, 2014 03:26 PM (ItKjd)


forgot that one.  that's one of my husband's favorites at the moment.  He also watches pawn stars, and some hatfields and mccoys reality show about making moonshine.

Posted by: not the mama at September 29, 2014 10:32 AM (5dxeo)

115 >>Contrary to what a lot of men think (Anthony Weiner comes to mind), women aren't that into cock shots. So all this dickjazzling was a waste of time?

Posted by: JackStraw at September 29, 2014 10:32 AM (g1DWB)

116 Well, I don't know if I should call it "good fortune." For every Die Hard, there were eight Erasers and four Hard Targets.


Hey now, I liked Hard Target!


Posted by: EC at September 29, 2014 10:33 AM (GQ8sn)

117 "i'm amazed that people even turn the vidiot on, let alone actually watch prime time programing from the MFM. if i want my intelligence insulted, there's always a comments thread on HuffPo or the ilk, and i'm not supporting the Hollyweird monster when i cause trouble there"

I'm another one of those who decided I was tired of feeding the beast.

Tired of pouring money into an entertainment industry who visibly dislike people like me, who fund radical leftism constantly while not having any of it in their own greedily bottom-line businesses, and who produce what I increasingly found to be trite swill with harsh ideological fumes wafting from it.

So I switched off and went back to reading and the Internet exclusively.

This gets me damned as a "cultural rejectionist" in certain quarters of the rightist blogosphere. Hey, I'm not rejecting culture. I'm actually doing what I can to create and maintain culture in different spheres. What I'm rejecting is THAT culture. THEIR culture. Such as it is. And the huge ugly greedy industry wrapped around their culture.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 29, 2014 10:33 AM (noWW6)

118 I subscribed to HBO to watch EB&D. Best first season ever.

Posted by: Zakn at September 29, 2014 10:33 AM (ec1Ol)

119

walking dead

 

sons of anarchy

 

breaking bad

 

true detective

 

all would appeal to males but most shows are designed to appeal to women, no doubt

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 10:33 AM (zOTsN)

120 good point, vikings is fairly male directed. Except for battleprincess, the divorced blonde princess, who had her own lifetyme tv story ark last season. Also, I do think the ladies like Rollo a wee bit too much to make their appreciation for the show anything less than beefcakey.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 29, 2014 10:33 AM (Xr7hz)

121 Hmmm.. Man show???? Hell on Wheels....

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 29, 2014 10:33 AM (f0pWu)

122 54 College and pro football is skewed to me, methinks.

Posted by: Teh Most Interesting Man at September 29, 2014 03:24 PM (Jk/zI)


You think so?  Why have they quit showing the cheerleaders on the pro games?  Are there any cheerleaders left or have feminags coerced the league into if not getting rid of them at least not showing them?  Or have they just quit showing them in the Bay Area?!

Posted by: kathysaysso at September 29, 2014 10:33 AM (jPT60)

123 The novels they are talking about here are fluff, throw-away non-fiction: Hunger games, 50 shades for gray, etc.
======
Don't forget the Harlequin Romance novels.

Women read their porn and they buy it at Target.

But, that "counts" as fiction purchases.

Posted by: RoyalOil at September 29, 2014 10:34 AM (VjL9S)

124 Remember when Adam Carolla had The Man Show? Trampolines!

Posted by: blaster at September 29, 2014 10:34 AM (OYEUO)

125 Fringe was great up to the last two episodes when it jumped the shark.

Posted by: toby928(C) at September 29, 2014 10:34 AM (rwI+c)

126 28 I try to avoid the alphabet network prime time shows at all costs. Except Person of Interest as Jim Caviziel and Sarah Shahi are the rarest of Hollywood breeds. Conservatives. Posted by: Blue State Hostage at September 29, 2014 03:18 PM (VwtVX) Loved that show "Fairly Legal" that she was on. That she is very easy on the eyes didn't hurt either.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at September 29, 2014 10:34 AM (+Fae7)

127 I don't care to know about TV shows but, most advertising now is focused on minorities. It seems they are the only ones with expendable dollars. Why is that?


Posted by: Agenda 21 Refugee at September 29, 2014 10:34 AM (XzRw1)

128 When you give up pr0n, the lack of male-oriented shows takes an even greater toll.

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at September 29, 2014 10:34 AM (vgIRn)

129 true detective

all would appeal to males but most shows are designed to appeal to women, no doubt

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 03:33 PM (zOTsN)



Alexandra Daddario sex scene FTW!



Posted by: EC at September 29, 2014 10:34 AM (GQ8sn)

130 I am a woman (last I checked, that is), and I don't have television. It is crap, and I would rather spend my money more wisely. I have netflix, so I can get my James Spader, and the radio works fine for baseball, football, and anything else I care to listen to. I have been known to read a newspaper, although mostly just the crossword puzzle. And I have colossally wasted time online, so there's that.

Posted by: tcn at September 29, 2014 10:34 AM (g+qqc)

131 I'm no longer part of the wanted demographics. My hair is white and habits are established. Fuck tv.
Worth threepeating.

Posted by: fluffy at September 29, 2014 10:34 AM (Ua6T/)

132 It is a weird affectation to see "feminist" media demand equal opportunity dick pics. I don't really believe they want that. It's possible the culture has become so pornified that young chicks want that, but I doubt it. In my experience of women a pair of strong shoulders on the lead actor in a movie is more enticing than seeing his scrotum.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 10:34 AM (ZPrif)

133 In our household, the wife controls the DVR. 95% of the stuff on it is her choices. I prefer Netflix for viewing. (Saw a new Dennis Miller special last night where he rocks Obama and Hairy Reed - laughed my ass off while the wifes head hit the wall as she fell asleep). The stuff she wants to see I don't. Big Bang Theory seems to be the only crossover. Sure I'll watch Survivor, until the babes get voted off. Then I don't care when the clueless males get picked off one by one by the women and the tokengayguy.

Posted by: SE Pa Moron [/i] at September 29, 2014 10:35 AM (Zq4s7)

134 All of those male shows you just pointed to are the same ones my wife asks for when I suggest we just watch something on Netflix. I was turned on to the league by a woman telling me about it as her guilty pleasure. I'd say maybe walking dead is a guy show girls like but they act so stupid and dramatic sometimes its def. Got chick s in mind.

Posted by: allenlou at September 29, 2014 10:35 AM (DlKWR)

135 Can't wait for The Vikings Season 3. That's not a girly show and it's gory fun.
Posted by: logprof


I stopped after the "Hey, let's drop acid and rave' episode.

Srsly, wft?

Posted by: weft cut-loop[/i] [/b] at September 29, 2014 10:35 AM (sDQnB)

136 Have you been on a school or high-tech campus recently? TV is heavily skewed to today's youth and young adults: females and the androgenous. Oh, let's throw Bruce Jenner in there, too, the poor confused soul.

Posted by: t-bird at September 29, 2014 10:35 AM (rNHgZ)

137 Is that Resurrection thing any good? I'm tempted but it looks like it has already been on for a year and I missed it.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 10:36 AM (RJMhd)

138 Just a note about the sidebar blogpost (The Diplomad) about Madam Secretary.  As mentioned, The Diplomad is a fantastic blog that everyone should be reading.  I first discovered it in the wake of the 2004 SE Asia tsunami.  Dip's reporting on the utter ineptness of the UN, contrasted with the US/Australia effort to bring relief -- for which the UN attempted to claim credit -- was fantastic reporting.  Unfortunately, he was still working for State at the time and was discovered and silenced.  Now retired, he's been back blogging for a while and often has some of the best stories about the foreign service you'll ever hear. 

Posted by: KGB at September 29, 2014 10:36 AM (M+8XB)

139 Since we're over 100, and this is TV-related if O/T: What in the bloody hell is going on at Fox News? First Brian Kilmeade with that face-palming moment "Next time, take the stairs." Then it was that moron Eric Bolling and his idiotic, embarrassing, WTF was he thinking "Boobs on the ground. " About a hero, for the love of God. And Gutfeld had to issue an apology as well, also for comments made about the heroic female fighter pilot from the U.A.E. This is bullshit. This is ridiculous. Murdoch needs to reign these idiots in stat. These non-stop apologies are playing right into Media Matters' hands. Get a f'ing grip on your on-air talent, Murdoch. You're supposed to be better than MSDNC, where this crap is the norm. ( Except they never apologize.)

Posted by: Citizen X at September 29, 2014 10:36 AM (7ObY1)

140 that's what you all get for going corporate.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 29, 2014 10:36 AM (Xr7hz)

141 Yeah, it's enough to make you vomit. I watched "We Were Soldiers" and having read the book, wondered why all the bullshit with the wives that wasn't in the book were there. Same with Jurassic Park. What the fuck? I don't remember all those kids in the book. They aren't interested in telling the story, they are interested in selling the most tickets.

Posted by: maddogg at September 29, 2014 10:36 AM (xWW96)

142 But even the chick flicks nowadays must have a slo-mo CGI axe flying toward you in every film. It's a Union mandate or something.

Posted by: dfbaskwill at September 29, 2014 10:36 AM (zllbf)

143 Which way would the show Arrow get ranked?

It's comic book hero stuff so guy?

Or since the main character has an apparent allergy to his shirt, chick?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 29, 2014 10:36 AM (81UWZ)

144 Give the girls their scripted fiction, I'm ok with that. However, what really pisses me off is the ruining of perfectly good shows by some woman (or woman-like) producer in order to bring more drama and emotion into it. Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares in the British version was excellent. He went into a restaurant, found the problems and solved them. When the show moved to the U.S., they had to f*ck it up with a lot of staged interpersonal conflict. Now, even the Shark Tank looks like they are going out of their way to find people with sob stories to invest in. Sonofabitch. When you get done shooting all the lawyers, move on to the producers.

Posted by: jwest at September 29, 2014 10:37 AM (u2a4R)

145 Breaking Bad is definitely a male show, but it's over and on cable.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 29, 2014 10:37 AM (oFCZn)

146 Almost zero TV aside from football and baseball, since about... maybe 1995 or so.  A brief uptick in 2001, post-9/11.  A cultural isolate, I yam.  A very full life, though, devoted to other things.  Better in many ways.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at September 29, 2014 10:37 AM (9tzvc)

147 Which way would the show Arrow get ranked?

It's comic book hero stuff so guy?

Or since the main character has an apparent allergy to his shirt, chick?

Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 29, 2014 03:36 PM (81UWZ)



Everything on CW is for teenage girls.



Posted by: EC at September 29, 2014 10:37 AM (GQ8sn)

148 Strictly Commercial.

Posted by: toby928(C) at September 29, 2014 10:37 AM (rwI+c)

149 Lets recognize one other feature of Network TeeVee - its free. This means the skew you are looking at are chicks that can't afford cable or satellite programming. I'm a guy who watches, baseball and football and the occasional Car Rebuild Show/American Pickers - but mostly sports. I like baseball because I can read a book and watch. Football requires me to think about why every down receives a flag - so no reading.

Posted by: Post Modern Realism at September 29, 2014 10:37 AM (oDCMR)

150 Alias was a fun show even though that was Action Chick central. But it had enough spy-fi twists to keep it interesting. It also was somewhat early on the Action Chick trend which has been just beat into the ground by now.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 10:37 AM (ZPrif)

151 NCIS is always good...except NCIS LA which can go pack sand. Seems in the LA version they can't bash conservatives enough. I'm thinking the NCIS New Orleans will be OK.

Posted by: Diogenes at September 29, 2014 10:38 AM (08Znv)

152 106. don't forget that the networks also use sports--specifically the NFL---to advertise their shows, even the chick shows---another reason the NFL wants to pull more women viewers. More ad sales....

Posted by: JoeF. at September 29, 2014 10:38 AM (5itMW)

153 and that is when the fight broke out

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 10:38 AM (zOTsN)

154 Ace, Have you watched Ray Donovan & some of the other Showtime series? Last night was Ray season finale. I haven't watched any HBO Series since The Sopranos went off the air. Showtime has others that are good too. My older brother told me for three years I wouldd love Shamelesd & it's laugh out loud funny. I cancelled all but Showtime because I don't watch any of them to save $ & then cable bill went up. I had package & have all again but only watch Showtime series.

Posted by: Carol at September 29, 2014 10:38 AM (sj3Ax)

155 if one was cynical, the MFM is setting us up to accept women in charge, per their usual shenanigans: 1. Gay (Will & Grace) 2. Black Men (West Wing) 3. Women (Madame Secretary) 4. Black Women (under development)

Posted by: MikeH at September 29, 2014 10:38 AM (zqzYV)

156

Time was, a guy could  count  on the ID channel to provide a good murder  show. Real-life investigations featuring the detectives involved, recordings of police interviews, etc.

 

Then, along comes the ladies. More dramatic recreations.  More "love gone wrong" themes. Many  more shots of actors and actresses  rolling around on silk sheets.

 

T'ain't right.

Posted by: CJ at September 29, 2014 10:38 AM (9KqcB)

157

(Update: Oops, someone pointed out Adam Baldwin's vehicle (ahem), The Last Ship.

 

What's the premise, what's the buzz?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 29, 2014 10:38 AM (JtwS4)

158 >>Except for battleprincess, the divorced blonde princess, who had her own lifetyme tv story ark last season.

I like Vikings. That story line was intense, and she took care of her evil husband quite admirably (no weepy talks with friend or other chick nonsense), so it was OK.

On the other hand, I was so disappointed with Black Sails. I wanted to like it, but all that nonsense with the lesbian  bar owner/bsuiness woman and the love triangle/mindgames with her prostitute hooker and the pirate dude was just dumb. Enough with this pouty nonsense, show pirates being pirates!

Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 10:39 AM (D/504)

159 The Strain. Straight up horror and there are many complaints by idiots that all the female characters are horrible. Pfffft. Everyone but Fet and Abe are horrible so it's not like it's only the women who are stupid. Also FXX. Also doing the 13 episode once per year series. True Detective. Another show that got slammed hard for how it treated women, though, again, hell if I saw it that way. The women were no more and no less awful than the men. Walking Dead maybe? Though, again, I finally stopped watching because omfg shut up shut up shut up about the angsty wangsty feelings crap. Just get back to Daryl crossbowing things in the face, m'kay? The Agents of Shield? How about Gotham? The Flash? Arrow? Though, admittedly, my interest in Arrow isn't so much for the plot. Scorpion maybe though that's only had one episode so far and the touchy feely female lead is being brought in specifically to provide social graces to the high IQ misfits. My fondness for crap YA post-apoc fic is well documented. I try to buy basically any YA book that has a male protagonist because that's a market that needs to be supported. I am sick of Magic Pixie Girl Who Gets Involved In A Love Triangle. Yeah, because that's sooooooo edgy.

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Ebola Zombie at September 29, 2014 10:39 AM (mf5HN)

160 this thread is

Posted by: redc1c4 at September 29, 2014 10:39 AM (q+fqH)

161 As a guy I'm not sure I could be loyal for a whole tv series. Maybe women can? I don't know. I usually dvr anything longer than 30 minutes to watch it later, and just speed through the boring parts and commercials. I noticed when HIMYM ended women seemed to be more in tuned to it, I had dropped that show a couple years back. I think females are just a more loyal audience. See Grey's Anatomy, I couldn't believe that show is still on. Also True Blood, which is essentially grown up twilight.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at September 29, 2014 10:39 AM (U4SLf)

162 Theoretically, Supernatural should appeal to men *sometimes*. They're traveling around, killing monsters and stuff, and there's the car... But they do have their angsty moments, and there's Jensen Ackles being kind of an asshole some of the time, but somehow still kinda great and serious eye candy. And then people are surprised that Supernatural's main demo skews female.

Posted by: AngelEm at September 29, 2014 10:39 AM (FvZtE)

163 both my mom and my MIL love true crime stories.  True crime on ID all day

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 10:39 AM (zOTsN)

164 Oh.... and as a Tecky??? who is... ahem... way over average intelligence??? The new Scorpion just plain pissed me off... SOOOO much wrong...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 29, 2014 10:39 AM (f0pWu)

165

>>>I'm no longer part of the wanted demographics. My hair is white and habits are established.

 

You can revamp everything if you just turn **fabulous**

Posted by: Bigby's Wringing Hands at September 29, 2014 10:40 AM (3ZtZW)

166 "Just a note about the sidebar blogpost (The Diplomad) about Madam Secretary. As mentioned, The Diplomad is a fantastic blog that everyone should be reading."

^^^^
THIS.

And its author should be shortlisted for a seat at State in the next actual administration run by a genuine conservative, if that mythical prospect ever again materializes in our lifetimes.

Posted by: torquewrench at September 29, 2014 10:40 AM (noWW6)

167 I'd throw The Americans in the same category with Vikings. Pretty dude-ish. Spies and espionage and all that. And again, I must point out how easy Kerry Russell is on the old eyeballs. And the fact that they showed her naked, most exquisite po-po for a nanosecond or so in one of the early episodes. I'd drink her bathwater, too.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at September 29, 2014 10:40 AM (0HooB)

168 I haven't watched a series since The Sopranos. If I had had more time I probably would have watched Breaking Bad and Boardwalk Empire. It's just books, music the net and baseball and football. Hardly  even watch FOX anymore.

Posted by: JoeF. at September 29, 2014 10:40 AM (5itMW)

169 154 I haven't watched any HBO Series since The Sopranos went off the air. Me too. Tried to watch Deadwood and found it so horrible that we cancelled HBO.

Posted by: Post Modern Realism at September 29, 2014 10:40 AM (oDCMR)

170 55 I can support this theory. Whole-heartedly! I could watch some more network shows, but there is a stack of downloaded anime I need to watch, so...

Posted by: exdem13 at September 29, 2014 03:20 PM (lJaja)

Oh yeah, forgot about the anime. My husband's reading interests are manga and web comics, and he watches some anime, too (I got into Bleach for a while, too, but got bored with it and haven't kept up)

Yeah, your husband is all right. I fell in love with anime & manga (at least certain kinds of them) back in the Eighties and never looked back. Big robots, big spaceships, big guns, big swords, big explosions, big tits, hell yeah that's entertainment! And don't give me "that cartoon shit ain't real", it's just as real as anything filmed in front of a green screen. Plus it got me to learn about a whole other country too, so I could claim educational cred!  

Posted by: exdem13 at September 29, 2014 10:41 AM (lJaja)

171 Dear god, True Blood. Talk about the worst series finale ever.

Posted by: Lena Dunham at September 29, 2014 10:41 AM (HstNY)

172 You think so? Why have they quit showing the cheerleaders on the pro games? Are there any cheerleaders left or have feminags coerced the league into if not getting rid of them at least not showing them? Or have they just quit showing them in the Bay Area?! Posted by: kathysaysso at September 29, 2014 03:33 PM (jPT60) They still show the college cheerleaders, but they show the male ones too. I'm guessing they don't show the pro cheerleaders too much anymore because they are just there for eye candy, they do not cheer. The DC cheerleaders used to be the only reason to watch the Cowboys.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at September 29, 2014 10:42 AM (+Fae7)

173 "Turn"  is good.  And for boys.

Posted by: Sarahw at September 29, 2014 10:42 AM (Lbv/k)

174 Person of Interest and Elementary for me.


PoI has some good stuff going with the story arc of the AI now ruling the world behind the scenes.  Amy Acker and Sarah Shahi are easy on the eyes too.


Elementary could be a chick show, but Johnny Lee Miller's Holmes is really interesting to watch.  He's got the same verbal wordsmithing like Cumberbunderpatch, but not as assholish.  They just recently finished off the Mycroft story arc.

Posted by: EC at September 29, 2014 10:42 AM (GQ8sn)

175 141 Yeah, it's enough to make you vomit. I watched "We Were Soldiers" and having read the book, wondered why all the bullshit with the wives that wasn't in the book were there. Same with Jurassic Park. What the fuck? I don't remember all those kids in the book. They aren't interested in telling the story, they are interested in selling the most tickets. Posted by: maddogg at September 29, 2014 03:36 PM (xWW96) Why was Samuel L Jackson in StarWars? Biggest draw for a Black audience...

Posted by: MikeH at September 29, 2014 10:42 AM (zqzYV)

176 The only solution is for women to work multiple jobs and consumer more media. If it's OK for me to be under-represented in some jobs like school teachers and nurses, but not to be over-represented as construction workers, then women will just have to work multiple jobs to satisfy our leaders. Same with media. If they're watching more TV and playing less video games, force them to use their spare time playing more video games to even things up.

Posted by: Dave at September 29, 2014 10:42 AM (Tu+Nn)

177 What's the premise, what's the buzz? Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 29, 2014 03:38 PM (JtwS4) Kind of a post-apocalyptic, but not exactly. Yet. Bug kills most the people in the world. Ship was out and not infected. They are trying to find a cure. I like the show a lot because it actually gets (most) of the military stuff right. They actually have the right haircuts! Rank works! But it is also a lot like Star Trek TOS - if you watch it, you will see what I am saying. Away teams with the most senior people on them, and you can pick out the red shirts who are going to buy it.

Posted by: blaster at September 29, 2014 10:42 AM (OYEUO)

178 Another moron mentioned this in an earlier thread, about how the "push" model of the TV network dynasties was dead. I earnestly hope it goes farther than that, so all the "push" modeled media croak. Srsly, read a blog instead. This one, for example, is ok. You want immortal cinema to ease your pain? Go for it, online and on demand. Tarkovsky's "Offret" (1986), for example. Both men and women enjoy target shooting. Make it harder? Ski hard, then shoot. It's called biathlon. Or, go sailing. To South Georgia Island. In an open boat. TV? meh

Posted by: Paper Puncher at September 29, 2014 10:42 AM (gLt83)

179 Here's some data from 2010. Only 6 shows on prime time in 2010 skewed male. And only 3 non-cartoons - Chuck, Fringe, and 24. And Fringe an 24 were almost 50-50. http://tinyurl.com/kgq23ps 1.00 = equal ratings for men and women 18-49 below 1.0 = more men above 1.0 = more women Show Women / Men 18-49 Simpsons 0.67 Family Guy 0.68 Cleveland Show 0.71 Chuck 0.83 Fringe 0.95 24 0.97 V 1.00 Dateline NBC 1.00 Til Death 1.00 Rules of Engagement 1.04 Minute To Win It 1.06 Office 1.06 60 Minutes 1.07 Trauma 1.13 Two and a Half Men 1.19 Big Bang Theory 1.19 NCIS 1.19 Community 1.20 How I Met Your Mother 1.21 Accidentally On Purpose 1.21 Celebrity Apprentice 1.22 NCIS:LA 1.25 Lost 1.25 Supernatural 1.27 30 Rock 1.27 Modern Family 1.28 CSI: Miami 1.29 House 1.31 The Middle 1.31 Bones 1.33 Old Christine 1.38 Survivor: Heroes v. Villians 1.40 Mentalist 1.46 FlashForward 1.46 CSI 1.55 CSI:NY 1.55 Criminal Minds 1.57 Extreme Makeover Home Edition 1.62 American Idol - Tues 1.64 Marriage Ref 1.64 The Good Wife 1.65 American Idol - Wed 1.67 Law & Order 1.73 Glee 1.76 Law & Order:SVU 1.84 Cougar Town 1.89 90210 2.00 Parenthood 2.00 Castle 2.00 The Vampire Diaries 2.00 Mercy 2.00 The Biggest Loser 2.06 Desperate Housewives 2.19 DWTS Tues 2.36 Brothers & Sisters 2.43 One Tree Hill 2.50 DWTS Mon 2.64 Private Practice 2.71 Gossip Girl 2.83 Fly Girls 3.00 High Society 3.00 Grey's Anatomy 3.18 America's Next Top Model 3.50

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 10:43 AM (ZPrif)

180 Mad Men True Detective House of Cards Luther Archer Justified Game of Thrones The Walking Dead Southpark Dexter Boss Louie The League Big Bang Theory Sherlock Homeland Banshee Hell on Wheels Longmire Sons of Anarchy Psych Rectify dunno lots for men

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2014 10:43 AM (IXrOn)

181 >>1. Gay (Will & Grace)
2. Black Men (West Wing)
3. Women (Madame Secretary)
4. Black Women (under development)


4. Black Women: Scandal, How to Commit Murder and get Away With It, and possibly that American Horror show

Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 10:43 AM (D/504)

182 Love the story in the sidebar about Madame Secretary. I mentioned this last week, but apparently in an interview Tea Leoni did with Parade mag, she talks about meeting with Madeleine Albright to discuss the job. Says there was sexist stories that Albrught mentions that she will take to her grave.

Growing up in DC like I did, got to hear many eyeraising stories about the kind of nonsense that went on. But most of it came from stuff Democratic politicians pulled...I'm guessing that's the only reason these stories have never previously seen the light of day. always gotta protect the dems.

Posted by: LizLem at September 29, 2014 10:43 AM (yRwC8)

183 The Following that crap is still on and it's not female oriented. It's just so crappy it ends up being equal opportunity.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 10:43 AM (RJMhd)

184

You can pay for an "in seat visit" from a NFL cheeleader now

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 10:44 AM (zOTsN)

185 Rome, Deadwood, Sopranos, etc. Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 03:26 PM (D/504) That's what makes it worth having TVs. I'm the same with Vikings = ok, Black Sails = suck.

Posted by: jwest at September 29, 2014 10:44 AM (u2a4R)

186 I guess these women they skew towards are idiots as well. I wish novels were skewed toward people who can think in complex sentences with metaphors and intelligence and stuff...

Posted by: Janetoo at September 29, 2014 10:44 AM (IgUON)

187 Lili doesn't want to see wieners (floppy wieners), she wants to see big pecs and ass. Possible also though that she's one of those 1/3 of women who do watch (not read) porn. Okay, near certainty. (Statistic pulled out of some dark and smelly place, but I think I did see that stat online)

Posted by: boulder terlit hobo at September 29, 2014 10:44 AM (pVyaq)

188

Hell, I don't even watch new shows.  I wait for the DVD/BluRay/Netflix and watch at my leisure.

 

TV is a Penguins/Pirates/RedZone delivery method for me otherwise.

Posted by: LibertarianJim at September 29, 2014 10:44 AM (9TK8E)

189 Also True Blood, which is essentially grown up twilight.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at September 29, 2014 03:39 PM (U4SLf)


I'm guilty of watching True Blood through the the bitter end, even though it hasn't been good for at least three seasons, and this final one was just awful.  Not sure why, really, other than a couple of characters I really liked.

Posted by: not the mama at September 29, 2014 10:44 AM (5dxeo)

190

Posted by: Bob's House of Flannel Shirts and Wallet Chains at September 29, 2014 03:34 PM (vgIRn)

 

Do you truely ever give up pron? The mind is very powerful.

Posted by: wrg500 at September 29, 2014 10:45 AM (sgrzZ)

191 You can pay for an "in seat visit" from a NFL cheeleader now

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 03:44 PM (zOTsN)



Does she sit in your lap?




Posted by: EC at September 29, 2014 10:45 AM (GQ8sn)

192 You can pay for an "in seat visit" from a NFL cheeleader now *blink*

Posted by: toby928(C) at September 29, 2014 10:45 AM (rwI+c)

193

37Justified, baby.

Yes. Raylon and Boyd Crowder. Yes.

 

 


 

Posted by: Janetoo at September 29, 2014 10:45 AM (IgUON)

194 The SJWs don't go after TV because they aren't in it for equality. They are in it for Male Oppression. All that Shit Stacey McCain has been writing about really hit home for me. It's about Radical Feminism.

Posted by: Zakn at September 29, 2014 10:46 AM (ec1Ol)

195 2013 article on which shows skew male http://tinyurl.com/ojrdp59 Sons of Anarchy was 56% male The Americans 56% male Archer 76% male -- one of the only shows on TV I watch. Always Sunny - 70% ale Louie CK's show - 63% male

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 10:46 AM (ZPrif)

196 184 You can pay for an "in seat visit" from a NFL cheeleader now

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 03:44 PM (zOTsN)

 

Nancy Pelosi with pom-poms

Posted by: wrg500 at September 29, 2014 10:46 AM (sgrzZ)

197 177 What's the premise, what's the buzz?

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 29, 2014 03:38 PM (JtwS4)


Kind of a post-apocalyptic, but not exactly. Yet. Bug kills most the people in the world. Ship was out and not infected. They are trying to find a cure.

I like the show a lot because it actually gets (most) of the military stuff right. They actually have the right haircuts! Rank works!

But it is also a lot like Star Trek TOS - if you watch it, you will see what I am saying. Away teams with the most senior people on them, and you can pick out the red shirts who are going to buy it.

Posted by: blaster at September 29, 2014 03:42 PM (OYEUO)

Seriously?  I just finished the book and that was straight up nuclear war and surviving the fallout and finding a new safe place to call home.

Posted by: MC Pantless at September 29, 2014 10:46 AM (o2Jt2)

198 94 Kinda thought Gotham was meh. Posted by: Bigby's Wringing Hands Same. They had lots to work with but went the safe, anodyne route that WB usually does. The sets and filming are great but the story and dialog are major let downs. Gawker has post that outlines why the whole show is destined to be pointless as the batman was supposed to be the main driver of reform in Gotham. So what's Gordon gonna do besides screw up a lot and allow the rise of the supervillains before Moneypants Mcbatty shows up? Posted by: weft cut-loop at September 29, 2014 03:30 PM (sDQnB) Yeah I don't know how well it will end up holding up. I think they tried to introduce too many future super villains in the first episode and felt they had to get people to watch. And Bruce Wayne would be the far more interesting character. I was always disappointed that smallville didn't at least have an episode where a teenage/early 20's Bruce showed up. Probably could have achieved the highest ratings for that show even if he ended up being a throwaway one off time.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 29, 2014 10:47 AM (X0046)

199 What we need is more TV shows about trains...and paste.

Posted by: Joe Biden at September 29, 2014 10:47 AM (WGm5T)

200 I saw "The Maze Runner" this weekend. Talk about a non-chick movie. Only one main female character who appears about half way through and doesn't do a whole lot. Otherwise it was definitely a guy film. Sadly, the ending left a lot to be desired. One reviewer, female, actually complained that if a girl had suddenly shown up, one or more of the guys would have tried to rape her after being denied the joys of a woman for so long. Since it didn't happen in the movie, the movie was flawed.

Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at September 29, 2014 10:47 AM (f5mDw)

201 Tea Leoni was married to " sex addict" David Duchovny and played the MSNBC reporter(LOL) who uncovered the government plot to coverup the truth about the comet in "Deep Impact".

Posted by: steevy at September 29, 2014 10:48 AM (v5UtH)

202 dunno lots for men -- The facts aren't in question. Scripted TV skews heavily female. There are some shows that skew male, of course. Just lots more that skew female.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 10:48 AM (ZPrif)

203 >>>Mad Men ... dunno lots for men Posted by: artisanal 'ette ... altho you named some shows I should have remembered (True Detective, the very old South Park, etc.), it's funny that you started your list off with a period soap opera mostly about relationships and social scandals and declared it to be "for men." In what sense?

Posted by: ace at September 29, 2014 10:48 AM (/FnUH)

204 One disturbing recent trend is the Samuel L. Jackson Capital One advertisements. Who the hell is dressing Samuel like a poofter? The man who blew Flock Of Seagulls brains all over a backseat is now hawking credit cards while dressed like a twink. How did he agree to this? Are they unable to find a jacket and trousers that actually fit the man? He looks as if he was dressed by Oompa Loompas. Very disturbing.

Posted by: Post Modern Realism at September 29, 2014 10:48 AM (oDCMR)

205 I am sure the NFL cheerleader "in seat visit" is more like the chat you have with a character at Disney than from a "hostess" at Bada Bing

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 10:48 AM (zOTsN)

206 I would like to know who that show about dying kids is for... I just wonder if people would be able or willing to watch that week after week?

Posted by: Baldy at September 29, 2014 10:48 AM (2bql3)

207   Who gets it "in the seat"? Her?

Posted by: JoeF. at September 29, 2014 10:48 AM (5itMW)

208
One reviewer, female, actually complained that if a girl had suddenly shown up, one or more of the guys would have tried to rape her after being denied the joys of a woman for so long. Since it didn't happen in the movie, the movie was flawed.

Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at September 29, 2014 03:47 PM (f5mDw)



So are they saying they wanted the girl to be raped for more believability?!?!



Posted by: EC at September 29, 2014 10:48 AM (GQ8sn)

209 "Turn" is good. And for boys. Posted by: Sarahw at September 29, 2014 03:42 PM (Lbv/k) Yeah, because Jamie Bell in candlelight has no appeal for teh womyns. I forgot about Person of Interest, though why I have no idea. I really liked Life with Sarah Shahi and Damian Lewis.

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Ebola Zombie at September 29, 2014 10:48 AM (mf5HN)

210 >>Also True Blood, which is essentially grown up twilight.

That show was created by the same guy who made Sex in the City.
It's skewed gay male.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 10:48 AM (D/504)

211 My favorite thing in a show is when two women with coffee mugs sit down on a couch to talk.

Posted by: eleven at September 29, 2014 10:49 AM (7Y6v2)

212 Also, news shows skew male. More men are interested in following the news than women.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 10:49 AM (ZPrif)

213 Perhaps it's because, in the 21st century, manly men do not sit through commercials.

Posted by: Chris Balsz at September 29, 2014 10:49 AM (pYEaj)

214 191 You can pay for an "in seat visit" from a NFL cheeleader now Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 03:44 PM (zOTsN) Does she sit in your lap? Posted by: EC at September 29, 2014 03:45 PM (GQ8sn) Is she commando?

Posted by: Insomniac at September 29, 2014 10:50 AM (mx5oN)

215 Alexandra Daddario sex scene FTW! - Sugartits? Bubba bubba.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 29, 2014 10:50 AM (j6e8f)

216 FX's "The Strain".  Fun for the  whole family.

Posted by: Soona at September 29, 2014 10:50 AM (DkhX8)

217 You can pay for an "in seat visit" from a NFL cheeleader now

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 03:44 PM (zOTsN)

Does she sit in your lap?


Posted by: EC at September 29, 2014 03:45 PM (GQ8sn)

Is she commando?

Posted by: Insomniac at September 29, 2014 03:50 PM (mx5oN)



*orders new sweatpants*



Posted by: EC at September 29, 2014 10:50 AM (GQ8sn)

218 Strangly, the highest rated show often is the NFL which is skewed to men.....except when unfunny hag Amy Poehler, et. al., aren't on doing some PSA lecturing me to not hit my wife, which, strangly, I have managed to do for 23 years without Amy Poehler reminding me.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President of the AmishDude Fan Club at September 29, 2014 10:50 AM (OWjjx)

219 >>>My favorite thing in a show is when two women with coffee mugs sit down on a couch to talk. i used to joke with an old gf about this. I'd be flicking through channels and would flick past two women sipping coffee talking. She'd immediately say, "Wait, go back!" I kept asking her: What was it you saw that *intrigued* you there? It was just that, two women, on a couch, sipping coffee, talking. Pretty much just a signal that this movie is a Lifetime Original.

Posted by: ace at September 29, 2014 10:51 AM (/FnUH)

220 There was time when the porn audience was almost all men but not anymore.Chicks go to Thrash Metal concerts now,back in my youth women were scarce at such shows.

Posted by: steevy at September 29, 2014 10:51 AM (v5UtH)

221 You can pay for an "in seat visit" from a NFL cheeleader now Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 03:44 PM (zOTsN) Does she sit in your lap? Posted by: EC at September 29, 2014 03:45 PM (GQ8sn) Is she commando? Does she come without those unsightly pointy elbows?

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President of the AmishDude Fan Club at September 29, 2014 10:51 AM (OWjjx)

222 >>I would like to know who that show about dying kids is for... I just wonder if people would be able or willing to watch that week after week?

It's NOT for any family whose kids have spent any lengthy time in the hospital. Ugh!

Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 10:51 AM (D/504)

223 Women pay more attention to advertising...and coincidentally get suckered into buying what ever shit they're trying to sell.....

Posted by: Portnoy at September 29, 2014 10:51 AM (SfOYM)

224 Seriously? I just finished the book and that was straight up nuclear war and surviving the fallout and finding a new safe place to call home. Posted by: MC Pantless at September 29, 2014 03:46 PM (o2Jt2) Yeah, no. I think the main way that The Last Ship the TV show is like The Last Ship the book is that its the last ship.

Posted by: blaster at September 29, 2014 10:51 AM (OYEUO)

225 155 if one was cynical, the MFM is setting us up to accept women in charge, per their usual shenanigans: 1. Gay (Will & Grace) 2. Black Men (West Wing) 3. Women (Madame Secretary) 4. Black Women (under development) Posted by: MikeH at September 29, 2014 03:38 PM (zqzYV) If I were a religious sort I'd say it's almost like there's some force working to take the natural world and place it squarely upon its head. To make it the exact opposite of how it was created and how it works. It's almost like this has been talked about before.

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at September 29, 2014 10:51 AM (oFCZn)

226 with "in seat visits" comes great responsibility

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 10:51 AM (zOTsN)

227 I'd watch the test pattern for days on end if having to see Lena Dunham was the alternative.

Posted by: Furious George at September 29, 2014 10:52 AM (UlJ3l)

228 219 Where as we go back for tits ,ass or a touchdown/home run/great catch.

Posted by: steevy at September 29, 2014 10:52 AM (v5UtH)

229 Other than Big Bang Theory, I couldn't tell you what any of these shows are about, I haven't watched them If advertisers of anything but tampons and cosmetics want to target an audience, they won't spend it on network TV Niche programming brings niche advertisers and so limits pretty much what their ad rates will be

Posted by: kbdabear at September 29, 2014 10:52 AM (aTXUx)

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at September 29, 2014 10:53 AM (M6Vhk)

231 In seat visits skew to men mostly.

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 10:53 AM (zOTsN)

232 it's funny that you started your list off with a period soap opera mostly about relationships and social scandals and declared it to be "for men."
In what sense?
Posted by: ace at September 29, 2014 03:48 PM (/FnUH)

I think in many ways Mad Men is more about the women on that show, the guys I know who watch it like the business stuff (the arcs of the different guys as they go through their careers, that kind of thing).  They like to watch Don Draper kick ass, then fall on his face, then kick ass again.  They also like to see Peggy do the same (because she's essentially Don Jr. in the show). And they like Joan's rack.

Posted by: not the mama at September 29, 2014 10:53 AM (5dxeo)

233 It was just that, two women, on a couch, sipping coffee, talking. Pretty much just a signal that this movie is a Lifetime Original.it was time to end this particular relationship. FIFY

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President of the Sheena Easton Fan Club at September 29, 2014 10:54 AM (OWjjx)

234 some PSA lecturing me to not hit my wife, which, strangly, I have managed to do for 23 years without Amy Poehler reminding me. Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President of the AmishDude Fan Club at September 29, 2014 03:50 PM (OWjjx) It would be more effective for a PSA by my wife telling me *NOT* to hit Amy Poehler, there's a much higher probability of me doing that...

Posted by: MikeH at September 29, 2014 10:54 AM (NfnJU)

235 How is "Forever" pitched to women, Ace?

I've seen a couple episodes, and I just don't see it.

Posted by: Chi-town Jerry at September 29, 2014 10:54 AM (4+IgA)

236 I saw "The Maze Runner" this weekend. Talk about a non-chick movie. Only one main female character who appears about half way through and doesn't do a whole lot. Otherwise it was definitely a guy film. Sadly, the ending left a lot to be desired. Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at September 29, 2014 03:47 PM (f5mDw)

Am on the second book in that series, excited to see the movie. In the second book, where I'm at, has been mostly guys, see the girl for all of like 5 minutes max. It's very intense, hope the franchise does well. If they had gotten a decent CGI budget to make it a TV show, this could have been the next LOST, maybe.

Posted by: LizLem at September 29, 2014 10:54 AM (yRwC8)

237 Okay here's a question for the Horde. Orphan Black. Guy show or girl show?

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Ebola Zombie at September 29, 2014 10:54 AM (mf5HN)

238 Testosterone TV: What Shows Are Most Watched By Men? http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/television-shows-men-watch-222356 via @THR From 2011. Estimated is 60% of viewers of TV in general are female. "Most of TV skews somewhat female and skews old," says Todd Gordon, senior vp and managing director at media agency Initiative. "So older demos and female demos tend to be a little bit easier to find and a little bit less expensive to reach than younger demos or men." ... According to ad-buying firm Starcom, men consume media for four reasons: to prepare themselves for battle; to feel rebellious; to connect to a passion (mostly sports, music or cars); and to be mentally challenged. Starcom measured 600 media outlets, including TV, digital and print properties, and polled 20,000 people to arrive at a proprietary "emotional index" for planning and buying purposes. "It's kind of funny and a little bit cliché," says Kathy Kline, Starcom senior vp and human experience director. "But there's a whole emotional territory of media that men engage in to gain a competitive edge." The Colbert Report -- 61.1% The Daily Show with John Stewart -- 60.7% Conan -- 54.9% Lopez Tonight -- 52.7% The Tonight Show With Jay Leno -- 45.3% Late Night With Jimmy Fallon -- 43.9% The Late Late Show With Craig Ferguson -- 42.3% Late Show With David Letterman -- 41.3% Jimmy Kimmel Live -- 36.3% Chelsea Lately -- 33.8%

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 10:55 AM (ZPrif)

239 >>>(Well, I don't know if I should call it "good fortune." For every Die Hard, there were eight Erasers and four Hard Targets.)

Fuck you, Ace - Hard Target is awesome.

Posted by: Jeff B., Professor Emeritus of AoSHQ RINO Studies at September 29, 2014 10:55 AM (ewYO6)

240 Ooh - love Orphan Black!

Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 10:55 AM (D/504)

241 It was just that, two women, on a couch, sipping coffee, talking. Pretty much just a signal that this movie is a Lifetime Original. I guess that's the female equivalent of a 10,000 HP Top Fuel engine blowing up at the 1000 foot mark, hitting the wall and tumbling down the track, sliding to a halt sideways and the driver climbs atop what's left of his machine with fists in the air, but I just don't see it.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at September 29, 2014 10:55 AM (0HooB)

242 219 >>>My favorite thing in a show is when two women with coffee mugs sit down on a couch to talk. i used to joke with an old gf about this. I'd be flicking through channels and would flick past two women sipping coffee talking. She'd immediately say, "Wait, go back!" I kept asking her: What was it you saw that *intrigued* you there? It was just that, two women, on a couch, sipping coffee, talking. Pretty much just a signal that this movie is a Lifetime Original. Posted by: ace at September 29, 2014 03:51 PM (/FnUH) ***************** And when she had the remote-- what would you say-- "Wait go back!" for? (Ya, ya, ya--this is a trick question.)

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 10:55 AM (RJMhd)

243 I've never watched any reality shows & am not interested in them. I think they're cheap to make. I saw comments here last night about Madame Secretary & won't watch it.

Posted by: Carol at September 29, 2014 10:56 AM (sj3Ax)

244 If I'm traveling and in a hotel with no bar, bad signal, low-bandwidth WiFi, and I'm all caught-up on work an reading... I might turn the TV on. 1. Motorsports 2. Other live sports (except baseball; baseball only works for me on radio) 3. Pet amazement (I still will tear up when I recall the potbellied pig who saved its owner from a heart attack... Border Collies? OK!!!) 4. Maybe a travel show about a place I want to go, if they omit the indoctrination. Then again, I might take a walk.

Posted by: Paper Puncher at September 29, 2014 10:56 AM (gLt83)

245  Yeah, it's enough to make you vomit. I watched "We Were Soldiers" and having read the book, wondered why all the bullshit with the wives that wasn't in the book were there. Same with Jurassic Park. What the fuck? I don't remember all those kids in the book. They aren't interested in telling the story, they are interested in selling the most tickets.
Posted by: maddogg at September 29, 2014 03:36 PM (xWW96)

Why was Samuel L Jackson in StarWars? Biggest draw for a Black audience...

Posted by: MikeH at September 29, 2014 03:42 PM (zqzYV)

 

 

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You need to re-read the book.  The  "bullshit" about the wives was in the book.

Posted by: Soona at September 29, 2014 10:56 AM (DkhX8)

246 It would be more effective for a PSA by my wife telling me *NOT* to hit Amy Poehler, there's a much higher probability of me doing that... The only effect it had on me was to switch over and watch the last 3 innings of a completely irrelevant Cubs v. Brewers game. At least I could enjoy it without some damn lecture.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President of the Sheena Easton Fan Club at September 29, 2014 10:57 AM (OWjjx)

247 "But there's a whole emotional territory of media that men engage in to gain a competitive edge." The Colbert Report -- 61.1% The Daily Show with John Stewart -- 60.7% Conan -- 54.9% Lopez Tonight -- 52.7% The Tonight Show With Jay Leno -- 45.3% Late Night With Jimmy Fallon -- 43.9% The Late Late Show With Craig Ferguson -- 42.3% Late Show With David Letterman -- 41.3% Jimmy Kimmel Live -- 36.3% Chelsea Lately -- 33.8% Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 03:55 PM (ZPrif) I note they do not differentiate between Male, and MEN...

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 29, 2014 10:57 AM (f0pWu)

248 *ahem* Top Gear, the Brit version. That is all.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit [/i][/s][/b][/u] at September 29, 2014 10:57 AM (0HooB)

249 Oh man,I hope this kidney stone doesn't keep me in suspense too long.

Posted by: steevy at September 29, 2014 10:58 AM (v5UtH)

250 Who is the target audience for Suits?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2014 10:58 AM (IXrOn)

251 It would be more effective for a PSA by my wife telling me *NOT* to hit Amy Poehler, there's a much higher probability of me doing that... *** NBC is good for soviet type educational PSAs

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 29, 2014 10:58 AM (Xr7hz)

252 So TV Is Pretty Much Just for Women Now, Right? You say that like Project Runway is a bad thing.

Posted by: garrett at September 29, 2014 10:59 AM (eDzTL)

253 what about late night entrys on Cinemax IYKWIMAITTYD

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 10:59 AM (zOTsN)

254 I dunno the complaint about well it's cable is gay. The nation has been balkanized and "cable" is just one of the features. All the--ya but waaaa!! network shows are not male enough can be counterbalanced with-- Golf, NASCAR and football.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 10:59 AM (RJMhd)

255 NASCAR and college football

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 29, 2014 10:59 AM (uhMMS)

256 Interestingly enough, the shows that win the highest critical appeal/fame tend to be skewed in traditionally masculine narratives. See: the Sopranos Breaking Bad Game of Thrones Homeland (1st season, mind you, not the Dana Brody Show)

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 29, 2014 10:59 AM (beOwc)

257 141 Yeah, it's enough to make you vomit. I watched "We Were Soldiers" and having read the book, wondered why all the bullshit with the wives that wasn't in the book were there. Same with Jurassic Park. What the fuck? I don't remember all those kids in the book. They aren't interested in telling the story, they are interested in selling the most tickets. Posted by: maddogg at September 29, 2014 03:36 PM (xWW96) Every science fiction movie/tv series sucks because of the insertion of some "kid friendly" character. Boxey in the original Battlestar Galactica made the show so damn awful to watch, that it turned so many people off of it. He would always fuck something up and put everyone or the mission at risk, and then Muffet would save the day. Adama should have blown his ass out of the airlock at the beginning of the show and been done with it. This is why Firefly is so beloved by the science fiction crowd because Whedon didn't put that crap in. He told a story with the characters he scripted, and its audience (while small) was and is very loyal to it.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at September 29, 2014 11:00 AM (+Fae7)

258 223 Women pay more attention to advertising...and coincidentally get suckered into buying what ever shit they're trying to sell.....
=========
Holy shit, no kidding.

Anytime I'm on the ipad or the computer and the wife looks at what I'm reading the first comment is always about some ad.

I'm like, "wait, what? Where?"

I'm so used to ignoring whatever ads are there, I don't even see them any more.

Same when I'm watching live sports. She can't figure how I can track 4 to five minutes on a different channel--where there is no commercial--and get back to the action right at the fade in.


Posted by: RoyalOil at September 29, 2014 11:00 AM (VjL9S)

259 Funny thing is the media, and some women, seem to get angry and demand that men like the stuff they do. Like you're a bad person if you don't want to watch the couch-coffee scenes and maudlin melodrama. In many ways, men seem more accepting of female differences than women are of men.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 11:00 AM (ZPrif)

260 248 *ahem* Top Gear, the Brit version. That is all. *** Do one better and watch James May's man show, whatever that was called. It's on BBC on demand.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 29, 2014 11:00 AM (Xr7hz)

261 I always get a kick out of the female cops on shows like CSI. They are gorgeous, skinny, have long, beautiful hair, and clothing that shows off the boobehs. And of course they always have a young, buff male cop for the ladies. Clearly the tv people haven't seen the doughnut eating cops in Michigan.

Posted by: nerdygirl at September 29, 2014 11:00 AM (xoSaW)

262 O/T: Apparently Donna Brazil has jumped on the "Hong Kong protester are mimicking Ferguson protesters with the hands-up gesture" bandwagon.

Guess the talking points have gone out...

Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 11:00 AM (D/504)

263 I try to tell this to my wife-- that every damn show she watches is the same to me-- Honestly, I can't tell one from the other. Whether its a cop show or some paranormal thing, it's a bunch of the same types doing the same shit-- usually long drawn-out coversations.

Posted by: --- at September 29, 2014 11:01 AM (MMC8r)

264 I'm one of those female readers because I love books that still have real men as protagonists. I am sick and tired of the pc need for diversity in these sitcoms. I really don't care how other people want to have sex and for some reason, TV seems obsessed with bludgeoning us with it constantly. Even sports shows want to push an agenda these days. TV used to be entertainment, a diversion from everyday life. escapism. I don;t want to be depressed. I want the good guys to win and the bad guys to get what's coming to them.
I love Justified, Black Sails, Vikings - manly men without shirts. mmmm

Posted by: sharon at September 29, 2014 11:01 AM (4OHj3)

265 Orphan Black. Guy show or girl show? Posted by: alexthechick - Team Ebola Zombie at September 29, 2014 03:54 PM (mf5HN) Girl show, but guys do like the watch the nerdy clone Cosima make out with Delphine

Posted by: kbdabear at September 29, 2014 11:01 AM (aTXUx)

266 Ha-ha! DRUDGE REPORT @DRUDGE_REPORT 7m The Nate Silver 'disaster' at ESPN... http://drudge.tw/1qOSIsB

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 11:02 AM (ZPrif)

267 Ace, Slightly off topic although I think your observation of aiming for a female audience explains it, but I am sick of most television shows (and a lot of written fiction) having female characters always outsmart the male characters is getting very old. Women are not always smarter, wiser, and more reasonable. Men are not always unreasonable dullards. And, in action stories, having women always able to fight toe-to-toe with males is absurd. Fine, in supernatural-type stories, the women might be as strong as the men because magic. But, as an example, the idea that Starbuck in the BG remake was a) the best pilot; b) the best gambler; c) the best firearms shot; and d) could fight toe-to-toe with a male was a bit much. In reality, the best female athlete fighter (think female MMA pro) would have tons of difficulty with an average sized male of average fighting ability. Because of actual physical differences in bodies - muscle mass, strength, etc., women are simply not as strong or as fast as men. If training alone could make the genders equal, then the pro female tennis players would regularly beat pro males, same for golf, and there would be no WNBA, because women would compete for spots in the NBA.

Posted by: monkeytoe at September 29, 2014 11:02 AM (3ZtZW)

268 I was obsessed with True Detective

Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 11:02 AM (zOTsN)

269 Posted by: Soona at September 29, 2014 03:56 PM (DkhX In my opinion, the domestic scenes in We Were Soldiers are effective and complementary. Any domestic plotline in The Unit, not so much.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 29, 2014 11:02 AM (beOwc)

270 Girl Power movies and TV have taken over the last 20 years. At the same time they pussified the men roles. And I wouldn't really mind if the Girl Power was on an intellectual basis even at the expense of the man but it seems to be required to be on a physical level.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 29, 2014 11:03 AM (KkxTF)

271 "It was just that, two women, on a couch, sipping coffee, talking. Pretty much just a signal that this movie is a Lifetime Original." Every Lifetime movie could have the following title: "Women Good, Men Bad."

Posted by: duke at September 29, 2014 11:03 AM (ChY2Q)

272 My favorite thing in a show is when two women with coffee mugs sit down on a couch to talk. I'd love to see the study of how many shows have a "scotch" or "whisky" sipping scene. Male or female. This is what I joke with my husband about. Everyone is drinking, all the time, at the office, in their home... and 9 times out of ten it's scotch/whiskey. I bet 90% or so, has a scotch scene in it. It's an ongoing joke in my house. But, then, I love the scotch and try to determine which brand is being embedded this time.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2014 11:03 AM (IXrOn)

273 O/T: Apparently Donna Brazil has jumped on the "Hong Kong protester are mimicking Ferguson protesters ........ Guess the talking points have gone out... ----- My rebuttal in a sane world. "You mean the Hong Kong protestors burnt down a Quick Trip too?""

Posted by: fixerupper at September 29, 2014 11:03 AM (NaV4z)

274 Stalker That looks like it might be butch enough.

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 11:04 AM (RJMhd)

275

*ahem*

Top Gear, the Brit version.

That is all.

 

POWER!!

 

I don't even give a hoot about cars, but I've never missed an episode.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 29, 2014 11:04 AM (JtwS4)

276 "Women Good, Men Bad." Posted by: duke at September 29, 2014 04:03 PM (ChY2Q) Don't watch the second season of Last Tango in Halifax. That one takes the cake on male bashing/men are evil memes. It's unbelievable really.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2014 11:04 AM (IXrOn)

277

"While the Social Justice Warriors complain mightily that video games seem to feature many more male heroes than female ones, and seem skewed to male tastes as a general matter -- I don't hear the Social Justice Warriors crusading for male-skewing fictions in print or on TV."

 

I don't play many computer games and the ones with characters are the TES ones, and my characters tend to be female.

Why?

Simple.

If I have to watch my character from the back I want to be gazing upon which butt?  That of a trim blonde, or that of some shaggy barbarian?

Trim blonde FTW!

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Harvesting Howls of Anguish & Rage at the Outrage Outlet! at September 29, 2014 11:05 AM (hLRSq)

278 Ace: "This isn't really a complaint so much as an observation." I'm sorry but that is the wrong answer. You are not allowed to make observations due to your Patriarchy. But you can rent your way out of disfavor if you wear a pink ribbon and give 20% of your earnings to a pregnant woman who just wants to bond with her child and desires equal employment justice.

Posted by: Shewoman Man-Haters Club at September 29, 2014 11:05 AM (1CroS)

279 I watch Blacklist because even though James Spader is middle-aged (or even old) he somehow manages to be super hot. It has a ton of aggressive (I refuse to say strong because calling a woman 'strong' seems to mean only that she engages in typically mannish things and let me tell you, there are a LOT of ways a female can be strong without, say, her dreaming of being a knight just like all the boy knights (the physical and cultural constraints be dammed)) female protagonists. But anyway, men and women are doing a lot of awesome things and I don't feel preached to.   As an aside, I LOVE the bit where a beta-male, bearded hipster character (we don't know if he's good or bad but he's certainly being portrayed as a good guy) gives the heroine pancakes.  "Gluten free!"

Posted by: BettyKeira at September 29, 2014 11:05 AM (8d63Z)

280 OK, I like Strike Back and that seems targeted at men. It's nice to see a show where terrorists aren't US soldiers w/PSTD and tea party Christian crazies. Oh, and hot guys.

Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 11:05 AM (D/504)

281 >>Did you guys see the commercial for the latest CSI series premiere? I wish I could quote it but it's something like groundbreaking new series. Then it is revealed that it is yet another CSI, this time with Cheer's Sam Malone in Tempe Arizona or somewhere. Isn't that just the original CSI, set in Las Vegas? Ted Danson has been on it for a couple years. Though I think they are trying to start up a new Cyber Crime one...

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 29, 2014 11:05 AM (0xTsz)

282 But, as an example, the idea that Starbuck in the BG remake was a) the best pilot; b) the best gambler; c) the best firearms shot; and d) could fight toe-to-toe with a male was a bit much. --- She was all that? Damn. I'm glad I didn't watch past the fifth episode (too depressing). Grace Park was teh hot, though.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 29, 2014 11:05 AM (beOwc)

283

All  so-called manly shows  as they are  being defined today (and on this thread)  should be compared to a real man's show:   "Kojak".  Just sayin'.

Posted by: Soona at September 29, 2014 11:06 AM (DkhX8)

284 Supposedly, when dresden files was in tv it's audience was too female and that led to its cancellation. I think advertsing drives a bunch of this: they want shows that will reliably aim at a certain market. Anyways, there are tons of superhero shows on the way, which are probably intended to skew male. Most of the new stuff doesn't appeal to me but I am curious about 12 monkeys (2015).

Posted by: Lea at September 29, 2014 11:06 AM (Iqvpn)

285

Do one better and watch James May's man show, whatever that was called. It's on BBC on demand.

 

No.  May as a foil for Clarkson is brilliant.  On his own he's insufferable.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 29, 2014 11:06 AM (JtwS4)

286 There's a new NCIS spinoff - making it 3 NCIS shows this season.
Ugh,

Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 11:06 AM (D/504)

287 Who is the target audience for Suits? Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2014 03:58 PM (IXrOn)

Also White Collar? Because I highly enjoyed that but am not sure who the primary audience would have been.

And Thursday is pretty much Shondaland Night, it looks like. Soapy dramas, meh. Watched the Schlock that was Grey's Anatomy for a while, then learned my lesson once it got too silly and moved on. According to that show's ratings I am the only one that did tho.

Though I do watch Downton Abbey now, so maybe I am being a massive hypocrite, hah. Though I mostly watch that for the scenery/costume porn and Dame Maggie. Storyline now officially ridic tho.

Posted by: LizLem at September 29, 2014 11:07 AM (yRwC8)

288 My wife also watches 'Once Upon A Time,' which, if I get the gist of it, is about a lot of fems standing around in drab landscape having endless conversations. And some ham actor guy.

Posted by: --- at September 29, 2014 11:07 AM (MMC8r)

289 The left has so completely taken over television, even the sportscasts, that it's becoming unwatchable for many Whatever isn't explicitly conservative will be taken over by the left, and as usual the left will run it into the ground and wonder how such brilliant people failed

Posted by: kbdabear at September 29, 2014 11:07 AM (aTXUx)

290 Tonite: Gotham, Sleepy Hollow, scorpion, Blacklist, Castle, DWTS, Voice, NCIS I don't watch network tv or much "original progeamming," but that seems like a mix to me.

Posted by: Y-not on the phone at September 29, 2014 11:07 AM (zDsvJ)

291 Brooklyn 99 started new season last night. Did not disappoint.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 29, 2014 11:07 AM (KkxTF)

292 As an aside, I LOVE the bit where a beta-male, bearded hipster character (we don't know if he's good or bad but he's certainly being portrayed as a good guy) gives the heroine pancakes. Are you talking about Agent Keene's husband?

Posted by: Insomniac at September 29, 2014 11:07 AM (mx5oN)

293 PAC-MAN >>> Ms. PAC-MAN


Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 29, 2014 11:07 AM (wtvvX)

294 @264 How're you doin'?

Posted by: M M w/o S at September 29, 2014 11:08 AM (gLt83)

295 Ace: "The only TV shows 'for men' seem to be those designed to appeal to both sexes equally..." Isn't that the genre of TV "for men" which is really "for gay men"?

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 29, 2014 11:08 AM (1CroS)

296

>>>i used to joke with an old gf about this. I'd be flicking through channels and would flick past two women sipping coffee talking. She'd immediately say, "Wait, go back!"

 

 

I kinda zone out reading AOSHQ while my wife is watching whatever the Hell she's watching. Every once in awhile I look up and there's a  dog running around  or somebody climbing a cliff  or people doing the hahahaha  etc and I'll just go "Car commercial, amirite?"

 

I mean, those fkrs never have anything to do with cars.

Posted by: Bigby's Wringing Hands at September 29, 2014 11:08 AM (3ZtZW)

297 Both men and women enjoy target shooting. Make it harder? Ski hard, then shoot. It's called biathlon. Posted by: Paper Puncher at September 29, 2014 03:42 PM (gLt83) Biathlon = Finnish Drive By

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 29, 2014 11:08 AM (TIIx5)

298 TV that skews male: sports, news, stoner cartoons, and dark comedies.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 11:09 AM (ZPrif)

299 No. May as a foil for Clarkson is brilliant. On his own he's insufferable. *** his insults of clarkson are quite amusing to my 'murican ear: you sneezebolt cumbersome clod.* "or observe as I drive this car in the manner of a person with brains and not as an ape with cinder blocks for feet" * I have no idea what he said but always sounded very cumberbatchian chubbly wubbly.

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 29, 2014 11:09 AM (Xr7hz)

300 They ruined Grimm for me because they thought they had to bring in another Grimm. Girl power Grimm of course.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 29, 2014 11:10 AM (KkxTF)

301 Syfy channel has basically become the fantasy channel cause women prefer fantasy to science fiction and dudes stopped watching TV.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 11:10 AM (ZPrif)

302 There's a new NCIS spinoff - making it 3 NCIS shows this season. NCIS New Orleans. Huge Naval Base. Or just brig. For Mardi Gras.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/b][/I] at September 29, 2014 11:10 AM (+/X+n)

303 Posted by: monkeytoe at September 29, 2014 04:02 PM (3ZtZW)

Please report for reeducation at your earliest convenience.

Posted by: Holder DOJ at September 29, 2014 11:10 AM (uhMMS)

304 I've mentioned supernatural and so did someone else. It could be a much more male friendly show and probably wouldn't suffer on the chick side since they just want to swoon at Sam and Dean anyways. Benefits for men. Killing stuff in man different ways. Monsters. When there is a chick on she tends to be very hot. But the female grabbing angst can take away from that.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 29, 2014 11:10 AM (z/Ubi)

305 altho you named some shows I should have remembered (True Detective, the very old South Park, etc.), it's funny that you started your list off with a period soap opera mostly about relationships and social scandals and declared it to be "for men." In what sense? Posted by: ace at September 29, 2014 03:48 PM (/FnUH) I'm gauging what (many) of the men in my life watch. Mad Men is one of them. No clue why. I do not watch it.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2014 11:10 AM (IXrOn)

306

Orphan Black.

Guy show or girl show?

 

================

 

Girl show. There's a reason jack mags always feature 4 or more spreads, various women

Posted by: Bigby's Wringing Hands at September 29, 2014 11:10 AM (3ZtZW)

307 Ace, Also, have you seen all the outrage at all of the various movie/pop culture sites that Marvel hasn't produced a female hero lead movie yet? Of course, they discount Electra. The reality is, few if any of the women hero characters are popular enough to carry their own comic books, so the idea that they could carry a movie is questionable. But, it took us years just to get decent comic-book movies made, and their working with the central Marvel characters (who happen to all be male). Why can't they let them do that for awhile before screaming for ancillary female hero characters getting their own movie? If the market were truly screaming for a Blackwidow movie, they would make it. They aren't not making such movies because of "war on women", but because they don't believe they'll make the big money they are after. I'm sick of EVERYTHING being politicized.

Posted by: monkeytoe at September 29, 2014 11:10 AM (3ZtZW)

308 Okay..... best Alpha male TV series ever???? My vote goes to "Gunsmoke".

Posted by: fixerupper at September 29, 2014 11:11 AM (NaV4z)

309 Battle Star Galactica had great potential. Unfortunately Hollywood botched it. As far as TV goes, I don't watch. Until the series comes out on DVD. Can't stand the commercials, can't stand the wait (weeks and weeks, months and months) to reach some kind of resolution of the artificial conundrum and the great climatic reveal that solves all mysteries until the next villain/mystery appears to create the 'who shot JR' buzz for next season.

Posted by: Dizzie's Spinning Top News Service at September 29, 2014 11:11 AM (aK1xA)

310 Grey's Anatomy is still on the air?

Posted by: steevy at September 29, 2014 11:11 AM (v5UtH)

311 FEEEEEEED MEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

Posted by: The BARREL at September 29, 2014 11:11 AM (NaV4z)

312 >>I'm thinking the NCIS New Orleans will be OK. The faux pilot on the original NCIS and the real pilot last week had me cringing. Even though I'm at the opposite corner of the state, have only lived here 5 years and never been further south than Alexandria, I was still offended by the constant "look at how different these Louisiana people are! They talk different, eat different, listen to jazz all the time and can't talk for more than 30 seconds without mentioning Katrina." Okay, actually those aren't all false, but my point is...well, it's around here somewhere... Oh, and they mentioned that a character was emailing "a girl in Shreveport" cuz that's the other city in the state that they thought people might have heard of. Didn't make a bit of sense why he'd know somebody so far away... And so on.

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 29, 2014 11:11 AM (0xTsz)

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 11:11 AM (RJMhd)

314 I also like The Barrel. One of my fav's.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2014 11:11 AM (IXrOn)

315 UHOH

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 29, 2014 11:12 AM (wtvvX)

316 Biathlon = Finnish Drive By Obligatory old joke: Clop clop clop clop, bang, clop clop clop clop. Amish drive by.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/b][/I] at September 29, 2014 11:12 AM (+/X+n)

317 >>As an aside, I LOVE the bit where a beta-male, bearded hipster character (we don't know if he's good or bad but he's certainly being portrayed as a good guy) gives the heroine pancakes. "Gluten free!" Isn't this really the story of ace? Don't ban me.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 29, 2014 11:12 AM (g1DWB)

318

Posted by: BettyKeira at September 29, 2014 04:05 PM (8d63Z)

Love Blacklist! Watched season 1 in one week on Netflix, could not get enough. Am debating whether to watch season 2 week by week or wait till I can binge watch the whole thing. Love the Spader, he makes the show.

Posted by: LizLem at September 29, 2014 11:12 AM (yRwC8)

Posted by: AltonJackson at September 29, 2014 11:12 AM (WRseu)

320 Uh-oh....

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Harvesting Howls of Anguish & Rage at the Outrage Outlet! at September 29, 2014 11:12 AM (hLRSq)

321 I really dig Sons of Anarchy. Didn't think it would be a chick type of thing. I thought the wife would hate it, but she is absolutely nuts about it.

What's a guy to do?

Posted by: Albie Damned at September 29, 2014 11:13 AM (nGaMY)

322 Okay..... best Alpha male TV series ever???? Original Star Trek. I've heard it described as thus: The Enterprise bridge is Captain Kirk's La-z-Boy in front of a big screen TV.

Posted by: --- at September 29, 2014 11:13 AM (MMC8r)

323 Similar patterns are seen in websites. This one no doubt skews male. Political sites, left and right, skew males. News sites all skew male -- whether it's NYT or FoxNews. More men are news junkies and compete to know some, usually useless, factoid first. It's not an extreme skews. I think most news sites skew 55-60% male.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at September 29, 2014 11:13 AM (ZPrif)

324 I'm sorry, but "the news" has skewed very female for at least a decade....

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 29, 2014 11:13 AM (wtvvX)

325 Okay..... best Alpha male TV series ever???? My vote goes to "Gunsmoke". Rifleman. Chuck Conners didn't need no woman.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/b][/I] at September 29, 2014 11:13 AM (+/X+n)

326 Every Lifetime movie could have the following title:

"Women Good, Men Bad."

Posted by: duke at September 29, 2014 04:03 PM (ChY2Q)


I loved the Tori Spelling Lifetime movies because they were howlingly bad:  "Mother, May I Sleep with Danger?" and "Co-Ed Call Girl."  There was even one where she was a snotty cheerleader killed by another teenager.  Hilarious. 

Posted by: kathysaysso at September 29, 2014 11:13 AM (jPT60)

327 Forgot about a show called "Strike Back" on Cinemax. Lots of pink mist.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at September 29, 2014 11:13 AM (+Fae7)

328 Is there such a thing as gluten free pancakes?

Posted by: Post Modern Realism at September 29, 2014 11:14 AM (oDCMR)

329 LizLem, they have already slated doing a second movie. Never read the books. Was happy the movie was a bit different than the current wave of YA stuff. It's not a bad movie. The ending though either makes sense based on the second book or it's really bad.

Posted by: Better Feared than Loved at September 29, 2014 11:14 AM (f5mDw)

330 268 I was obsessed with True Detective Posted by: ThunderB at September 29, 2014 04:02 PM (zOTsN) I thought it was great at de-constructing, "My series needs to have a great mystical ending" - which plagues so many series.

Posted by: MikeH at September 29, 2014 11:14 AM (NfnJU)

331 In short; Daytime TV has bled into Prime Time TV

Posted by: kbdabear at September 29, 2014 11:14 AM (aTXUx)

332 The internetz told me that television was only for people over 40.

Posted by: Fritz at September 29, 2014 11:14 AM (UzPAd)

333 My favorite guy show is Amish Vendetta.

Posted by: eleven at September 29, 2014 11:14 AM (7Y6v2)

334 Anyone mention how NBC has ruined the Olympics by effectively turning into Lifetime Channel Sports?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 11:14 AM (D/504)

335 Best alpha male series ever?

The Rifleman's up there.

Wild Wild West.

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 29, 2014 11:14 AM (wtvvX)

336 The Barrel.  It's like being assimilated into something while evil as the Borg is yet much smellier and cramped.

Posted by: Mikey NTH - Harvesting Howls of Anguish & Rage at the Outrage Outlet! at September 29, 2014 11:15 AM (hLRSq)

337

Similar patterns are seen in websites. This one no doubt skews male.

 

I am pleasantly surprised that we have so many 'ettes.  I would have thought we'd skew sausage a lot more.

Posted by: Bandersnatch at September 29, 2014 11:15 AM (JtwS4)

338 323 Similar patterns are seen in websites. This one no doubt skews male. Political sites, left and right, skew males. News sites all skew male -- whether it's NYT or FoxNews. More men are news junkies and compete to know some, usually useless, factoid first. It's not an extreme skews. I think most news sites skew 55-60% male. ---------------------- Does this explain Rachel Maddow?

Posted by: Post Modern Realism at September 29, 2014 11:15 AM (oDCMR)

339 The last dramatic show I watched the full run of was 'Babylon 5.' I watched 'House' until it became a fucking soap.

Posted by: --- at September 29, 2014 11:15 AM (MMC8r)

340 I kinda zone out reading AOSHQ while my wife is watching whatever the Hell she's watching. Every once in awhile I look up and there's a dogrunning around or somebody climbing a cliff or people doing the hahahaha etc and I'll just go "Car commercial, amirite?" I mean, those fkrs never have anything to do with cars. Posted by: Bigby's Wringing Hands at September 29, 2014 04:08 PM (3ZtZW)

Oh yeah???

Posted by: Thelma and Louise at September 29, 2014 11:15 AM (yRwC8)

341 Blacklist: Pancake Scene Doesn't she end up cracking him over the head with the skillet?

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 11:15 AM (RJMhd)

342 Supernatural runs into the same problem many other male centric shows have. The main male characters grow too moody and angsty. It's false drama the writers feel they need to add, I'm not sure why the stories can carry themselves. Men don't work out their problems like that.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at September 29, 2014 11:16 AM (U4SLf)

343 In other news: My submission for "Official AoSHQ Theme Song" http://tinyurl.com/n8zjku4 Chasing Pirates - Norah Jones

Posted by: LoneStarHeeb (Psalm 109:7-8) at September 29, 2014 11:16 AM (BZAd3)

344 334 Anyone mention how NBC has ruined the Olympics by effectively turning into Lifetime Channel Sports? Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 04:14 PM (D/504) +1000, show me more competition, less soap opera

Posted by: MikeH at September 29, 2014 11:16 AM (NfnJU)

345 Prime Time TV; Daytime TV without the Oprah car giveaways

Posted by: kbdabear at September 29, 2014 11:16 AM (aTXUx)

346 334 Anyone mention how NBC has ruined the Olympics by effectively turning into Lifetime Channel Sports?

Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 04:14 PM (D/504)


The Olympics? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


They're a joke...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 29, 2014 11:16 AM (wtvvX)

347 If you want to see the best female character on TV today, watch Bob's Burgers. Louise rocks.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 29, 2014 11:17 AM (KkxTF)

348 I want to put in a plug for the best comedy on TV -- The NBA on TNT. I mean that sincerely. That show has tons of laughs. I'm eagerly awaiting the return of their annual game show, "Who He Play For?" with its lone contestant, Charles Barkley. Basically, they show pictures of NBA players to Barkley and he tries to guess which team that guy plays for. Okay, so I get that this is a show with limited appeal.

Posted by: Brewdog at September 29, 2014 11:17 AM (ZgUuK)

349 I like ScarJo's Black Widow when she's playing off Iron Man, but I don't think she can carry her own movie. Monotone killing machines aren't very good at that.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 29, 2014 11:17 AM (beOwc)

350 Who loves you, baby!

Posted by: The Barrel at September 29, 2014 11:17 AM (UzPAd)

351 342 Supernatural runs into the same problem many other male centric shows have. The main male characters grow too moody and angsty. It's false drama the writers feel they need to add, I'm not sure why the stories can carry themselves. Men don't work out their problems like that. Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at September 29, 2014 04:16 PM (U4SLf) Friggin Twilight-ism gone amuck

Posted by: MikeH at September 29, 2014 11:17 AM (zqzYV)

352 Supernatural runs into the same problem many other male centric shows have. The main male characters grow too moody and angsty. It's false drama the writers feel they need to add, I'm not sure why the stories can carry themselves. Men don't work out their problems like that. Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at September 29, 2014 04:16 PM (U4SLf) ---- Man.... that hurts.

Posted by: Zak Bagan at September 29, 2014 11:17 AM (NaV4z)

353 I know I am a chick but what about: Sons of Anarchy Justified The Bridge The Strain And almost all of the SYFY Channel? I mean the amount of girl on girl action on SyFy is a virgin nerd's wet dream.

Posted by: melle1228 at September 29, 2014 11:17 AM (skdhG)

354 Posted by: Brewdog at September 29, 2014 04:17 PM (ZgUuK) Charles Barkley is hilarious

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 29, 2014 11:18 AM (beOwc)

355 Supernatural runs into the same problem many other male centric shows have. The main male characters grow too moody and angsty. It's false drama the writers feel they need to add, I'm not sure why the stories can carry themselves. Men don't work out their problems like that. Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at September 29, 2014 04:16 PM (U4SLf) the problem with Supernatural is one of the actors is way too hot

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at September 29, 2014 11:18 AM (IXrOn)

356 What the Olympics needs is Bruce Jenner as anchor. I'd watch that freak anyday and everyday.

Posted by: Post Modern Realism at September 29, 2014 11:18 AM (oDCMR)

357 Lizzy -- We simply must know the personal struggles of each and every athlete before each and every event. I just end up thinking shut the fuck up and go down the goddamn hill already.

Posted by: eleven at September 29, 2014 11:18 AM (7Y6v2)

358

I really dig Sons of Anarchy. Didn't think it would be a chick type of thing. I thought the wife would hate it, but she is absolutely nuts about it.

What's a guy to do?

Posted by: Albie Damned at September 29, 2014 04:13 PM (nGaMY)

 

 

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Buy a leather jacket, some studded motocycle boots, and a wallet chain.  Then let the magic happen.

Posted by: Soona at September 29, 2014 11:18 AM (DkhX8)

359 Ace: "This seems to be explainable by operation of market forces (with the addition of a vicious cycle..." aka Death Spiral. You can make your market so selective that you unintentionally commit suicide. Recovering from self-inflicted wounds can take longer then the business has to recover from bankruptcy. Not that "TV" will disappear, but it can almost permanently drive away a generation or two of consumers.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 29, 2014 11:18 AM (1CroS)

360 Another excellent guy show: Weekend Remodeling with Fuad Reveiz.

Posted by: Brewdog at September 29, 2014 11:18 AM (ZgUuK)

361 Valerie Jarrett was on The Good Wife last night. Yes, CBS has obliterated any remaining line between "news" and "entertainment".

Posted by: Brass Bancroft at September 29, 2014 11:18 AM (RHLfG)

362 The most alpha show ever. By a far margin it would have to Rat Patrol.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 29, 2014 11:19 AM (KkxTF)

363 --Are you talking about Agent Keene's husband?--

Yes, I love how his character was written. He's obviously supposed to check all the boxes (recycling, emotive, gluten free, happy home-making modern male)...
I've binged and binged on Netflix while (if it doesn't drain all the testosterone out of the thread to admit) I've been sewing quilt squares.

Another thing I like about it is that while there is SOME gray area, there are also a lot of straight-up bad guys and some aren't even PC! 


Posted by: BettyKeira at September 29, 2014 11:19 AM (8d63Z)

364 I mean the amount of girl on girl action on SyFy is a virgin nerd's wet dream. *** watching Manhattan* and the nascent lesbian intrigue is all like...what? enough already, tv writers. * I may be old fashioned but saying shit all the time is not the same as good writing or being funny.** ** what network is WGN?

Posted by: joe-impeachin44 at September 29, 2014 11:19 AM (Xr7hz)

365 I'm not sure why the stories can carry themselves. Men don't work out their problems like that. We kill it or piss on it.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/b][/I] at September 29, 2014 11:19 AM (+/X+n)

366 Anyone mention how NBC has ruined the Olympics by effectively turning into Lifetime Channel Sports?


Posted by: Lizzy at September 29, 2014 04:14 PM (D/504)

Yeah, that's because it's the only sporting audience, besides the WNBA I'm guessing, that skews waaayyy more female than male. I don't always agree with Colin Cowherd but he makes this point every two years.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at September 29, 2014 11:20 AM (U4SLf)

367 So TV Is Pretty Much Just for Women Now, Right? when the writers are all gay that's how it works out. ESPN is about 1-3 years away from turning into Bravo.

Posted by: X at September 29, 2014 11:20 AM (KHo8t)

368 I mean the amount of girl on girl action on SyFy is a virgin nerd's wet dream. Men (even nerds) have internet porn. The only reason to watch things like that is to leech off them emotionally, therefore, women.

Posted by: --- at September 29, 2014 11:20 AM (MMC8r)

369 You know, you can turn any show into a "guy" show, simply by adding the word "f_ckin' " into the title.

Try it...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 29, 2014 11:21 AM (wtvvX)

370 If TV weren't just for women, Maureen Dowd would have no points of reference for her columns

Posted by: kbdabear at September 29, 2014 11:21 AM (aTXUx)

371 I watched 'House' until it became a fucking soap.

Every series eventually becomes a soap opera. As the show progresses they have to delve into relationships to get to some unoriginal plot. I watched Longmire for a couple of episode, but meh - it all ends the same way. Feminized.

Posted by: Bonobos at September 29, 2014 11:21 AM (Ph479)

372 121 Hmmm.. Man show???? Hell on Wheels.... Posted by: Romeo13 at September 29, 2014 03:33 PM (f0pWu) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Seconded

Posted by: deadrody at September 29, 2014 11:21 AM (AOLpx)

373 Seems like every movie today is either a) Comic book movie (15 year old boys) b) The 178th version of The Notebook (22 year old women) In other words no movie made today appeals to me.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at September 29, 2014 11:21 AM (0LHZx)

374 I like ScarJo's Black Widow when she's playing off Iron Man, but I don't think she can carry her own movie. Monotone killing machines aren't very good at that.

Posted by: Yoshi, Aggrieved Victim of the White Man at September 29, 2014 04:17 PM (beOwc)

I think a movie with Black Widow and Hawkeye would be ok...one monotone killing machine not appealing, but two does for some reason. Maybe because I liked their scenes in Avengers? And if they feel they must, they can always add his dog and his protege from the comics to make things more interesting.

The comic where it is just Hawkeye's dog's POV is absolute genius. Beautifully drawn and laid out. Marvel Studios would never go for it, but dog POV movie with Scarjo and Hawkeye...I could be happy with that.

Posted by: LizLem at September 29, 2014 11:22 AM (yRwC8)

375 @297 True story. When I was in business in a place where the ice lingers into June some years (like 2014) I was looking for a promotion for late winter/pre-Easter, and came up with the idea of a cross between a sniper competition and that fabled ski race, the Canadian Ski Marathon. Two days, with the requirement that you sleep out overnight, and unknown distance target problems. I wanted to call it "Ultimate Biathlon". Before I, er, targeted the permitting problems involved, which were considerable, I used my search engine on that term, and got a utube spoof. It was actually pretty good, a pastche oif the reserved Euro-type tv commentary, typical camera shots of biathlon coversge, and directed by Sam Peckinpaugh, or some such. Heh.

Posted by: M M w/o S at September 29, 2014 11:22 AM (gLt83)

376 All time Man Show - Harry O.

Posted by: Post Modern Realism at September 29, 2014 11:22 AM (oDCMR)

377 (Update: Oops, someone pointed out Adam Baldwin's vehicle (ahem), The Last Ship.

What's the premise, what's the buzz?


Renewed for a 2nd season, wife and I both liked it quite a bit.  Baldwin's the XO on the ship.  It's really more of an Eric Dane vehicle (he plays the commander of the Nathan James, the last ship in question).

As for the premise, probably easiest to read the IMDB's 1st season episode guide and go from there:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2402207/episodes?year=2014&ref_=tt_eps_yr_2014

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at September 29, 2014 11:22 AM (PMGbu)

378 288 My wife also watches 'Once Upon A Time,' which, if I get the gist of it, is about a lot of fems standing around in drab landscape having endless conversations. And some ham actor guy. Posted by: --- at September 29, 2014 04:07 PM (MMC8r) Oh, I will watch that with the Mrs. Regina/Evil Queen in leather is a sight that has its own vault in the spank bank.

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at September 29, 2014 11:23 AM (+Fae7)

379 TV? Womanly yes, but I like it too!

Posted by: Justin Bieber at September 29, 2014 11:23 AM (aTXUx)

380 376 All time Man Show - Harry O. Posted by: Post Modern Realism at September 29, 2014 04:22 PM (oDCMR) Cannon

Posted by: MikeH at September 29, 2014 11:23 AM (NfnJU)

381 Breaking Bad Hell on Wheels True Detective The Walking Dead Game of Thrones Mad Men Frack me, nothing but chick shows! Now there _are_ a lot of chick shows my wife will watch that I cannot abide, including that damned The Good Wife thing and Trailer Trash Vampires (AKA True Blood).

Posted by: Bbuddha at September 29, 2014 11:23 AM (3CczE)

382 369 You know, you can turn any show into a "guy" show, simply by adding the word "f_ckin' " into the title. Try it... Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 29, 2014 04:21 PM (wtvvX) ********** Gossip F***in' Girls?

Posted by: Your friendly Danube River guide at September 29, 2014 11:23 AM (RJMhd)

383 (I'm a little tired of the Talented but Rebellious Young Man Must Accept His Destiny of Being Awesome character arc)
Isn't this the MFM story of Obama?

Posted by: [/i]andycanuck[/b] at September 29, 2014 11:24 AM (4yhS4)

384 All time fat man show -- Cannon.

Posted by: eleven at September 29, 2014 11:24 AM (7Y6v2)

385 The most alpha show ever. By a far margin it would have to Rat Patrol.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 29, 2014 04:19 PM (KkxTF)

 

 

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"Peter Gunn".  Even the name spells M-A-N.

Posted by: Soona at September 29, 2014 11:24 AM (DkhX8)

386 Alpha male show: the original Dragnet

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 29, 2014 11:24 AM (wtvvX)

387 380 376 All time Man Show - Harry O. Posted by: Post Modern Realism at September 29, 2014 04:22 PM (oDCMR) Cannon He was a fat fuck that drove a horrible 1970s land boat. Never understood how that show and the Pa Clampet detective show got funded.

Posted by: Post Modern Realism at September 29, 2014 11:25 AM (oDCMR)

388 I ignore ads on the few network television shows I watch. I keep television off & listen to radio during the day. I can listen to Rush on computer but I'm usually outside with radio & like to hear local news on radio station.

Posted by: Carol at September 29, 2014 11:25 AM (sj3Ax)

389 If Modern Family would just show more than 2 minutes of Sofia Vergara per episode, the men would sit two inches away from the screen watching it

Posted by: kbdabear at September 29, 2014 11:25 AM (aTXUx)

390 386 Alpha male show: the original Dragnet Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 29, 2014 04:24 PM (wtvvX) Just the facts

Posted by: MikeH at September 29, 2014 11:25 AM (zqzYV)

391 It's not on anymore except for reruns but Rules Of Engagement was pretty good as a guy sitcom. The Jeff and Audrey marriage is how I picture all marriages should be.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 29, 2014 11:25 AM (KkxTF)

392 Lizzy: "Anyone mention how NBC has ruined the Olympics by effectively turning into Lifetime Channel Sports?" The Olympics == The Commercial Most sports are that way now (except baseball which still has the same structure it's had since the beginning). Commercialism has "ruined" sports. The Olympics just takes the ruination to new heights.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at September 29, 2014 11:25 AM (1CroS)

393 Mother May I Sleep With Fu*king Danger?

Posted by: eleven at September 29, 2014 11:25 AM (7Y6v2)

394 All time Man Show - Harry O. Posted by: Post Modern Realism Cannon Highway Patrol.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/b][/I] at September 29, 2014 11:25 AM (+/X+n)

395 Best alpha male series ever? The Rifleman's up there. Wild Wild West. -0 Matt Fucking Dillon

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 29, 2014 11:26 AM (XUKZU)

396 Hell on Wheels....

Posted by: Romeo13 at September 29, 2014 03:33 PM (f0pWu)

It doesn't hurt that Dominique McElligott is smokin' f*&king hot.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at September 29, 2014 11:26 AM (Zu3d9)

397 That's why I don't watch TV anymore. Beyond the utterly stupid assumption that the plot has to somehow make an appeal to my identity for me to be interested, it's just another outlet for identity politics. I'm so tired of being balkanized based on who I am.

Posted by: WolfinNC at September 29, 2014 11:26 AM (SBbuJ)

398 All time Man Show - Harry O. Great show, but very few people remember it.

Posted by: --- at September 29, 2014 11:26 AM (MMC8r)

399 Lizzy -- We simply must know the personal struggles of each and every athlete before each and every event. I just end up thinking shut the fuck up and go down the goddamn hill already. Posted by: eleven at September 29, 2014 04:18 PM (7Y6v2)

America Ninja Warrior unintentionally spoofs that. They will have a big long drawn out bio about a contestant's hopes and dreams and heart wrenching backstory...and then five seconds into the run, the person falls into the water and is out! I feel bad for them but I find it ridiculously funny. All that hyped drama for nil...

Posted by: LizLem at September 29, 2014 11:26 AM (yRwC8)

400 Oh, man. "Rat Patrol".

I had a Rat Patrol lunch box in 3rd grade.

Imagine the heads that would explode if my daughter took one to school now.

Time to check Ebay...

Posted by: Tex Lovera at September 29, 2014 11:27 AM (wtvvX)

401

I'm an Arkie, and this lady makes me proud. What an excellent moronette she would make.

http://tinyurl.com/n9c7klu

Posted by: maddogg at September 29, 2014 11:27 AM (xWW96)

402 NDT Nood

Posted by: Buzzsaw at September 29, 2014 11:27 AM (wrS2o)

403 Does this explain Rachel Maddow? Posted by: Post Modern Realism at September 29, 2014 04:15 PM (oDCMR) For the women who are 55% men?

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at September 29, 2014 11:27 AM (+Fae7)

404 Wonder Woman. There was a show that could appeal to men.

Posted by: --- at September 29, 2014 11:27 AM (MMC8r)

405 Matt Fucking Dillon Ms. Kitty gelded him to an extent.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/b][/I] at September 29, 2014 11:27 AM (+/X+n)

406 Oh now again a Lesbian in Burkalay California, the Epicenter of the  Lesbo Universe will have a Kegger with her girl pals and display the trophy nut sacks of breeders she harvested.

Posted by: Slappy at September 29, 2014 11:28 AM (Q4scy)

407 All time man show was probably the Man Show. Girls on trampolines. How can you beat that?

Posted by: Bob Belcher at September 29, 2014 11:28 AM (KkxTF)

408 Alpha male show: the original Dragnet ---- Gunsmoke still gets my vote.... But Dragnet is good. Combat with Vic Morrow, 12 O clock High, The Rifleman, Hawai Five Oh, Starsky and Hutch, Baa Baa Black Sheep.... all in the running.

Posted by: fixerupper at September 29, 2014 11:28 AM (NaV4z)

409 I would think a Chandleresque detective show would succeed. But it would have to be pointedly critical of how f*cked up most people are and have the balls to say so.

Posted by: Post Modern Realism at September 29, 2014 11:28 AM (oDCMR)

410 I loved the Tori Spelling Lifetime movies because they were howlingly bad: "Mother, May I Sleep with Danger?" and "Co-Ed Call Girl." There was even one where she was a snotty cheerleader killed by another teenager. Hilarious. Posted by: kathysaysso at September 29, 2014 04:13 PM (jPT60) AHAHAHAHAHA
As I was reading this I was all "oh oh oh don't forget the killy killy cheerleaders!" Remember, this site counts as skewing 100% male because any 'ette here isn't a real woman, dontcha know.

Posted by: alexthechick - Team Ebola Zombie at September 29, 2014 11:28 AM (mf5HN)

411 Cannon was a midget. They had to use camera angles to get him face to face with female characters, but he had that authoritative voice. This is not italican.

Posted by: Dizzie's Spinning Top News Service at September 29, 2014 11:29 AM (aK1xA)

412 411 Cannon was a midget. They had to use camera angles to get him face to face with female characters, but he had that authoritative voice. This is not italican. ------------------- Same with Alan Ladd. Have you ever noticed how tiny most TV/Film stars are?

Posted by: Post Modern Realism at September 29, 2014 11:32 AM (oDCMR)

413 one particular entertainment niche (video games) is still skewed towards male tastes. - What would a video game skewed to women look like? Who can pick the most flowers in the park? Pillow fighting? Bicycle fish racing?

Posted by: The Great White Snark at September 29, 2014 11:34 AM (XUKZU)

414 Cannon was a midget. They had to use camera angles to get him face to face with female characters, but he had that authoritative voice. 5' 7 &1/2" per Imdb.

Posted by: rickb223[/s][/b][/I] at September 29, 2014 11:34 AM (+/X+n)

415 All time fat man show -- Cannon. In Germany, the show was literally titled The Fat Detective.

Posted by: toby928(C) at September 29, 2014 11:35 AM (rwI+c)

416 I started watching Anime some is wierd an UN PC it's funny, Like a the Guy who needs feel up his female partner in order to "Power up" his super powers. Most Anime would not or could not be made in the US

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at September 29, 2014 11:35 AM (b6koZ)

417 Married with Children.

That is all.

Posted by: Baron Von Ottomatic at September 29, 2014 11:35 AM (uhMMS)

418 One show that definitely skewed male was MXC. So sad it left and ABC decided to do "Wipeout". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ylh-6B7nIU

Posted by: Ashley Judd's Puffy Scamper at September 29, 2014 11:36 AM (+Fae7)

419 there were always a few women in the audience of "The Man Show" - and they would usually be attractive

I have never seen a screen shot of the audience of "The View" but willing to bet any man in that audience would not make too many women weak in the knees

Posted by: chelsea danger at September 29, 2014 11:36 AM (xMZ4W)

420 >>What would a video game skewed to women look like? Oh, I don't know, maybe I'd have candy...and you need to get 3 pieces in a row... Yeh, this is a brilliant idea, I'm gonna make millions!!

Posted by: Mama AJ at September 29, 2014 11:36 AM (0xTsz)

421 420 >>What would a video game skewed to women look like? Oh, I don't know, maybe I'd have candy...and you need to get 3 pieces in a row... Yeh, this is a brilliant idea, I'm gonna make millions!! Posted by: Mama AJ at September 29, 2014 04:36 PM (0xTsz) Depression Quest.

Posted by: Patrick From Ohio at September 29, 2014 11:39 AM (b6koZ)

422 The Bridge
NCIS      -ncis LA ugh; last years promo for NCIS-NO was better than actual
Turn
Walking Dead
Fox Cable
mmmmmmmm...dial tone


Posted by: CO at September 29, 2014 11:41 AM (1ebFO)

423 >>>Orphan Black. Guy show or girl show? Posted by: alexthechick - Team Ebola Zombie at September 29, 2014 03:54 PM (mf5HN) Girl show, but guys do like the watch the nerdy clone Cosima make out with Delphine ... I think it's a girl show but one of those which can satisfy a male viewer (while not being catered to them, specifically). I watched season one. I got a little bored as it wore on, but it was a pretty decent show.

Posted by: ace at September 29, 2014 11:45 AM (/FnUH)

424 I would be glad to be catered to by the entertainment industry if I didn't think the effect (if not the directly spoken goal) of this service were the destruction of women. The problem is the aim of every female audience-directed show seems to be the denial of any form of virtue, character, maturity or morality. Case in point "Sex in the City. " I saw one episode (the 'salad tossing episode) and said blech -never again. Titanic - did not memorialize the hundreds of men who stepped aside to let women and children on the lifeboats as much as it glamorized some slut cheating on her fiancee (all while pretending to be a victim or something). The talk shows aimed at us are full of people not only "too stupid to vote" as the link mentioned this morning, but too selfish and narcissistic to not be a burden to their fellow citizens. We are not becoming "matriarchal." We are descending into anarchy. I'm not down for the ride.

Posted by: Debbie Downer - I know, I know! at September 29, 2014 11:46 AM (VWssQ)

425 @388 Yep. But, how's this? The am station that has Rush nearest me doesn't come in well. I have the bandwidth for streaming rsdio, but I-heart- radio hasn't made their app for thr Android OS, yet. No joy.

Posted by: M M w/o S at September 29, 2014 11:46 AM (gLt83)

426 I think shows like Gotham and Boardwalk Empire are aimed at guys.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 29, 2014 11:48 AM (39g3+)

427 425 @388 Yep. But, how's this? The am station that has Rush nearest me doesn't come in well. I have the bandwidth for streaming rsdio, but I-heart- radio hasn't made their app for thr Android OS, yet. No joy. Posted by: M M w/o S at September 29, 2014 04:46 PM (gLt83) I have a GalaxyS4 with Iheartradio app on it. stupid thing is constantly updating. If you remember the show Human Target, it was aimed square at men in its first season, but for some reason they wanted the gurls, and totally destroyed it. Person of Interest also skews more male.

Posted by: Iblis at September 29, 2014 11:50 AM (9221z)

428 I have never seen a screen shot of the audience of "The View" but willing to bet any man in that audience would not make too many women weak in the knees Posted by: chelsea danger True story - one day I was rounding on a relatively comatose patient in the ICU - the room TV had "The View" blasting to no one in particular. I said "No wonder he can't wake - that show is sucking all the smart out of his brain." We turned it off and he woke up a couple of hours later. If only I could write that up as a case report "View associated encephalopathy and it's treatment." Then you wouldn't be able to watch 60 minutes of the view in New York because it's bad for you.

Posted by: Debbie Downer - I know, I know! at September 29, 2014 11:52 AM (VWssQ)

429 "its treatment" F'ng autocorrect

Posted by: Debbie Downer - I know, I know! at September 29, 2014 11:53 AM (VWssQ)

430 @2 your friendly Danube River guide "Walking Dead?" It was "Zombies on water-skis jumping sharks" around the 4th season.

Posted by: Buckeye Abroad at September 29, 2014 11:53 AM (6z/N3)

431 I watched Once Upon A Time last night with the kids because they brought the Frozen characters to life and my kids love that movie. It was eye-gouging bad. Not only was the show completely and utterly set up for women, but all of the advertising, barring a couple of car commercials, were fashion, perfume, and comfort foods.

Posted by: Scott M at September 29, 2014 11:59 AM (AdBfq)

432 Justified, Sons of Anarchy, Boardwalk Empire, Ray Donovan, Banshee, and The Knick are all examples of quality scripted shows aimed at a largely male audience. Quite good shows, too, with the possible exception of Banshee. If you're not finding them, it's because you're not looking.

Posted by: Kierkegaard at September 29, 2014 12:03 PM (nH00E)

433 Hollywood uses market forces and societal pressure to create a new normal. This new normal is a LBGTIQ friendly antiracist religion-free environmentally friendly future. You morons wouldn't understand it. Meanwhile sit in your Jesusland trailer parks and fuck your sisters while the world becomes more like Brattleboro.

Posted by: Mary Cloggenstein from Brattleboro, VT at September 29, 2014 12:09 PM (+geKq)

434 Posted by: BettyKeira at September 29, 2014 04:19 PM (8d63Z) You must not be too far into The Blacklist so I won't give any spoilers. Lets just say things aren't what they seem.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 29, 2014 12:27 PM (mx5oN)

435 Hmmm. 400+ comments, and no one's mentioned Hannibal? Maybe it's too scary for male viewers. (Or too unsettling, at least.) Still, right now, I'm pretty sure that network TV has the NFL on for 4 days or nights a week, and there's also a cable game on Monday. Theres are a lot of guy viewers or football, I bet. Even if TV seems to be skewing towards the female crowd, personally I've been really happy about the sorts of roles that fellas like Ron Perlman, Edward James Olmos, and Sean Bean have had on TV in recent years. Much better than what poor ol' Roy Scheider had to work with in Seaquest. With any luck, the Luc Besson series will return next summer. In the meantime 'Woman Crush Wednesdays' might be good enough, if the women do enough actual crushing. Or punching. Or shooting.g. - BTW, I agree with the supporters of Harry O, with David Janssen (and Anthony Zerbe!). But the Rockford Files was also a terrific 'real' man private eye show. But... I have to wonder where Kolchak might fit into the calculations here?

Posted by: SMP Belltown at September 29, 2014 12:29 PM (miDWm)

436 414 Cannon was a midget. They had to use camera angles to get him face to face with female characters, but he had that authoritative voice. 5' 7 &1/2" per Imdb. Posted by: rickb223 at September 29, 2014 04:34 PM (+/X+n) On the short side but hardly a midget.

Posted by: Insomniac at September 29, 2014 12:29 PM (mx5oN)

437 Remember the Hugo Awards bullshit this year and the way those scumbag leftists attacked Larry Corriea for pointing out their stories are all leftist claptrap and unfun reading? Yeah, guess what that was all about - SJW's attacking Science Fiction because guys like lasers and ships. But now it's all bullshit castrati talking about how bad men are and look at all the bad things whites do; or they are women telling you that science Is Bad because Patriarchy; or it's War is Ugly because Vagina; but they're not entertaining. It is like reading 300 pages of a sophomore bitch session with better spelling. So Mr. Corriea decided to tell everyone, "Hey, sign up here and vote for fun reads because hippies are stupid and funny to mock," and so he was attacked, vilified, and lied about. SJW's just want to marginalize men and castrate or infantilize boys. It's what they can do now, with their anomymous hate and their beta "males" begging for a slice of poon. Later, when they get the guns, they'll turn them on conservative men and boys without a blink. That's what hate-ridden hags do.

Posted by: Inspector Cussword at September 29, 2014 12:30 PM (kVzqa)

438

304 I've mentioned supernatural and so did someone else. ...

 

Posted by: Buzzion at September 29, 2014 04:10 PM (z/Ubi) 

 

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I love 'Supernatural'! ...Have been a fan for a long time.

 

I don't like the latest plot element though, of Dean turning into a demon.

Dean has devoted his life to battling demons...and now the writers decide to turn him into one?

Booo.

 

 

 

Posted by: wheatie at September 29, 2014 12:32 PM (+hIRb)

439 It's almost as if the sexes differ somewhat in interests. Crazy talk, I know.

Hey, did you guys see that amazing catch to save the no-hitter yesterday?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at September 29, 2014 12:37 PM (SLea8)

440 Ewok is correct. Just look at these NEW HIT SHOWS starting THIS FALL! For example, take a look at NBC's new show starring that 'red head milf from the NBC sitcom about those two ghey dudes and the ginger's harpy friend with the big juggs.' She's a heroic single mom by night, crime fighting goofy detective by day. Groundbreaking stuff. Or the HIT SHOW on CBS with Anna Faris as a drunk single mom. Hysterical. I mean the opposite of hysterical. Like mind numbing stoopid. The war on women is over. and they've won.

Posted by: Luigi's Index Finger at September 29, 2014 12:37 PM (nC/h8)

441 Warhammer 40K books are definitely not for the womyns. its Lord of the Rings+Aliens+Star Wars+The Crusades.

Posted by: Iblis at September 29, 2014 12:41 PM (9221z)

442

Most all of the Sports coverage on TV is geared towards a male audience.

 

Then there are all the Sports shows, Car shows and Home Improvement Shows.

These are primarily aimed at male audiences.

 

So it's not like there is nothing on that could appeal to men.

 

That said, I know what you're saying, Ace.

But it's not that so many newer TV shows are "for Women"....it's that they are 'for Liberal Women'.

 

Which is why I avoid them like the plague.

 

 

Posted by: wheatie at September 29, 2014 12:45 PM (+hIRb)

443 Have to break my lurker status after 4+ years to comment on this. The feminization of tv became super apparent to me when I dropped cable and went to Hulu and Netflix only. When you don't have to wait on commercial breaks or another week for the next episode it becomes super obvious how boring many shows are. For example Supernatural has a scene in every episode where the brothers are sitting on the side of a highway in the middle of nowhere talking about how they are not talking about their feelings over whatever recent plot point happened and always with a beer in one hand because that makes the feeling talk manly. (Everyone knows tequila is for feelings and Whiskey for fights). I much prefer firing up my PS4 most nights when I want to relax instead of tv. On that note, I think one of the best games I have ever played was Last of Us because they captured that instinctive protective fatherly instinct so well. *SPOILERS* if you haven't played LofUs. I think LofUs is amazing at least in part because you play as an adult man protecting a female almost the entire game. The game doesn't shy from portraying tough women but it isn't central to the gameplay/story which to me is about the depths a man will go to to protect those he loves. It doesn't force in the usually obligatory SJW talking points such as "a woman can be just as bada$$ as any man". It is the best celebration of masculine virtue I have seen/experienced in a while even if you cannot classify the protagonist as virtuous. On another related note, John Eldridge has a great book titled "Wild at Heart" which discusses how men inherently desire a cause to fight for and a significant other to fight on behalf of. He talks about how the current church has feminized what it means to be a Christian and forgotten/failed to embrace the masculine aspects of faith. I think this is true in the broader cultural context and not just the church. For example, there seems to be the belief that everything, including the barbarians at the gates, can be addressed by civilized discourse.

Posted by: Whitehatt at September 29, 2014 12:48 PM (6JQaO)

444 But it's not that so many newer TV shows are "for Women"....it's that they are 'for Liberal Women'. More like "for what ghey dudes think women are like". Think about it.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Corrective Phrenologist at September 29, 2014 12:49 PM (rt3TY)

445 I made the mistake of watching the "Scorpion" pilot. Holy shit. Don't they hire ANY technical consultants anymore? And this is based on real-world supergeniuses!

Posted by: Joe Bar at September 29, 2014 12:51 PM (JDzG1)

446 it's not just TV, everything is for women. if you are a white male, you suck, there is nothing for you and whatever you had left from before we will destroy... working on football right now.

Posted by: Shoey at September 29, 2014 12:53 PM (Y7jCH)

447 I went 100 comments in, and no one had mentioned 'Dexter'. Clearly a guy show. He got to do what all men would like to do (get rid of the human garbage) if they had no conscience.

Posted by: Yes, Some Humans Are Garbage at September 29, 2014 01:00 PM (nbGZj)

448 Combat with Vic Morrow, 12 O clock High, The Rifleman, Hawai Five Oh, Starsky and Hutch, Baa Baa Black Sheep.... all in the running.

Any more crap out of you, Boyington, and I'm gonna drop the control tower on your head.

Posted by: Sgt. Micklin at September 29, 2014 01:13 PM (PMGbu)

449

444 But it's not that so many newer TV shows are "for Women"....it's that they are 'for Liberal Women'.

 

 

More like "for what ghey dudes think women are like". Think about it.

 

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Corrective Phrenologist at September 29, 2014 05:49 PM (rt3TY)

 

---------

 

Yep!

And commercials, too.

The straight white male is always depicted as the 'bad guy'...or stupid.

 

It's maddening.

Posted by: wheatie at September 29, 2014 01:26 PM (+hIRb)

450 Longmire.

Posted by: matt at September 29, 2014 01:31 PM (WestZ)

451 Hmmm. 400+ comments, and no one's mentioned Hannibal? Maybe it's too scary for male viewers.

Yes! Gross oversight. Love that show but is mindtrippy have to watch in slow doses. That is def equal opp viewing, or should be.

Welcome Whitehat! *waves*" A game which is "about the depths a man will go to to protect those he loves"? Verboten!

Posted by: LizLem at September 29, 2014 01:56 PM (yRwC8)

452 I know its late but I can't post at work and really wanted to.

I watch almost no TV. All TV is crap. Hubby watches the Brewer games or the Hitler (excuse me) I mean the History channel, Car shows and what I call guy TV. He did get me into Hell on Wheels this year which meant I had to go to Netflix and watch the old episodes but I really like it. Anson Mount makes it easy to watch (oh no, maybe it is a chick show?)

I don't know about daytime TV. I think that's where most of the crap is, I catch a glimpse of a show in the clinic waiting room and I know it's all for women. Very sad dysfunctional women and their lazy on disability boyfriends....but that's another story.

Posted by: bossy barbara at September 29, 2014 02:45 PM (79RKq)

453 Whitehatt,
Good comments. I'm glad you came out of lurker status.

Posted by: bossy barbara at September 29, 2014 02:52 PM (79RKq)

454 Good Comment New Guy. I bought a used PS3 just to play the Last of Us. Great game. Agree with all your points. How you feelin about Destiny?

Posted by: Zakn at September 29, 2014 03:54 PM (ec1Ol)

455 Tnx bossy barb and Zakn. I like destiny but not yet sure how much replay it's gonna have. I typically rent games and return them after beating it. Destiny is first I purchased in a long while. I just hit lvl 20 warlock and trying to figure out what there is to do now. Lack of Matchmaking kinda sucks but the overall feel of game is awesome. Overall I haven yet decided. I'm giving them time to produce more content since it's basically an entirely new genre.

Posted by: Whitehatt at September 29, 2014 04:29 PM (lGXA2)

456 349 I like ScarJo's Black Widow when she's playing off Iron Man, but I don't think she can carry her own movie. Monotone killing machines aren't very good at that. ---------- I didn't care for her until they put her with captain Africa and now I ship it.

Posted by: Lea at September 29, 2014 05:29 PM (/bd0t)

457 America! Damn you auto cprrect

Posted by: Lea at September 29, 2014 05:29 PM (/bd0t)

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