May 28, 2007

Shocker: Ron Paul's Myriad "Republican Supporters" Apparently Find No Other Republican Candidates Acceptable
— Ace

Great analysis of internet-polling results from William Buetler.

These internet polls are a joke in the sense they don't tell us, as real polls do, about the opinions of the broader (non-internet-poll-spamming) public.

But these polls do tell us something about the spambots voting in the polls.

And Buetler demonstrates conclusively -- Ron Paul's spambots do not consider any other Republican candidates even remotely acceptable. This is an exclusive feature to Paul's supporters -- every other candidate's supporters also deems two, three, four, or even five other candidates "acceptable."

But not Ron Paul's.

Because they're not, by and large, Republicans at all, or even conservatives.

They're lefties and LaRouchies and the remnants of the old John Bircher right, angry their party has been taken away from "real Republican values" like the gold standard and insane conspiracy theories.

Via Hot Air.

Posted by: Ace at 03:04 PM | Comments (168)
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1 Hey, even we think the RonBots are Douches.

Posted by: Spambots and LaRouchies at May 28, 2007 03:10 PM (Pt3Le)

2

They don't find either Democrats, Republicans, crazy moonbat environmentalists or the "Libertarian Party" acceptable either.  Most of them are libertarians not lefties.  There are some crackpot lefty libertarians with bizarre conspiracy theories, but some Republican supporters are like that too.


Posted by: darkbhudda at May 28, 2007 03:47 PM (rsksa)

3 Is this the thread where you apologize to Juan Cole for lying about him?

If not, could someone direct me to that thread? I'm sure someone as concerned about "truth" as Ace of Holes wouldn't just pretend it never happened...

Posted by: dave™© at May 28, 2007 04:02 PM (qUpJD)

4 They're lefties and LaRouchies and the remnants of the old John Bircher
right, angry their party has been taken away from "real Republican
values" like the gold standard and insane conspiracy theories.

Are Not!1!  AreNotAreNotAreNotAreNotAreNotAreNot
AreNotAreNotAreNotAreNotAreNotAreNot!!!11!

We're the real Repulbi...ummm...Republik....uhhhh anyway, we're the real ones of you guys, not you!!!11!!1!!

Posted by: Ron Paul is dreeeeeeamyyyyy at May 28, 2007 04:04 PM (oyRcN)

5 If not, could someone direct me to that thread? I'm sure someone as
concerned about "truth" as Ace of Holes wouldn't just pretend it never
happened...


"Ace of Holes?"

Dear heavens, you can't even troll well.

So, does it hurt?

Posted by: Edward R. Murrow at May 28, 2007 04:06 PM (hrmYd)

6 insane conspiracy theories

Woah, Ace, easy there, memo boy...

Posted by: Barry Goldwater's Ghost at May 28, 2007 04:08 PM (1tSKa)

7
Woah, Ace, easy there, memo boy...


Heh, that's actually funny...er, sorry Ace.

Posted by: toby928 at May 28, 2007 04:12 PM (ATbKm)

8 Ron Paul can make coins appear out of your ear.

Posted by: HerrMorgenholz at May 28, 2007 04:28 PM (K/lgF)

9 Is this the thread where you apologize to Juan Cole for lying about him?

If
not, could someone direct me to that thread? I'm sure someone as
concerned about "truth" as Ace of Holes wouldn't just pretend it never
happened...

You're new here aren't you?

Posted by: HerrMorgenholz at May 28, 2007 04:29 PM (K/lgF)

10 I'm going to busy for a while.

Posted by: Officer Paddy O'Irony at May 28, 2007 04:51 PM (ATbKm)

11 We will be very happy if when Ron Paul is elected he names Gen. Jack D. Ripper as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.  The General really understands the threat to our bodily fluids and will take appropriate steps to protect us.



Posted by: Ron Paul's Base at May 28, 2007 04:55 PM (gNyUT)

12 The Republican party of today consists of Still-BornAgains and Hatetriots.  That's why Ron Paul is popular with the folks who still think the republicans are about personal privacy, non invasive foreign policy, and balanced budgets.
Respect for the Constitution is a good thing.


Posted by: Lush Rumball at May 28, 2007 04:58 PM (HMT70)

13 That's why Ron Paul is popular with the folks who still think the
republicans are about personal privacy, non invasive foreign policy,
and balanced budgets.


Heh, all .78% of them.

Posted by: Officer Paddy O'Irony at May 28, 2007 05:01 PM (ATbKm)

14 dammit

Posted by: toby928 at May 28, 2007 05:01 PM (ATbKm)

15 Hateriots.

I like the sound of that.

Posted by: Andrew at May 28, 2007 05:07 PM (S9O4a)

16 Oh yeah - Ron Paul's never dressed in drag, and he's not a fan of LRon Hubbard books.

Posted by: Lush Rumball at May 28, 2007 05:16 PM (HMT70)

17 The Republican party of today consists of Still-BornAgains and Hatetriots.

Ron Paul supporters are just so endearing.

Posted by: Edward R. Murrow at May 28, 2007 05:18 PM (hrmYd)

18 Once upon a time people thought crazy things all by themselves, wandering the streets screamings at the shadows.
Now they find each other on the internet and think their particular brand of insanity is normal.
Some of these whackjobs even run for high office.

Posted by: harrison at May 28, 2007 05:24 PM (Gv4O0)

19 I'm still partial to Cavalcade of Rightwing Shills™.

Posted by: toby928 at May 28, 2007 05:24 PM (ATbKm)

20

More fun facts about Ron Paul:


He's afraid of the powerful Jew lobby and he sounds like a senile old fart in debates. 


 


Posted by: Hush Dumbell at May 28, 2007 05:30 PM (Q7BgC)

21 Ace, you're really nothing but a NeoCon hack. Smearing Paul supporters as Birchers and lefties. Pathetic. As James Pinkerton wrote Ron Paul rocks Republican bigwigs

I haven't one Republican candidate besides Paul talking about downsizing government and individual liberty. Not one. The Part of Goldwater and Reagan has been hijacked by a bunch of Trotskyite NeoCons hell bent on global revolution. The sorry state of the Republican party today. Endless wars and mass 3rd world immigration. Global government. Really pathetic

Posted by: William R at May 28, 2007 05:52 PM (0COji)

22 #21 He's afraid of the powerful Jew lobby and he sounds like a senile old fart in debates.

Seeing how 2 ot the top people at AIPAC, the most powerful lobby in Washington DC are about to go on trial for espionage against the United States, methinks Ron Paul has a point.

Posted by: William R at May 28, 2007 05:57 PM (0COji)

23 The Libertarian Party found that a large portion (of their small number of voters) tend to be people who have either never voted or haven't voted in a long time. I forget the percentage, but it was significant.

I imagine a lot of the Ron Paul supporters are that way--people who are so sick of do-nothing Republicans and do-worse Democrats that they can't imagine voting for any of them. A poll of Gravel supporters would probably skew likewise one-sided.

As for me, I voted "Acceptable" for all of the candidates except Guliani (pro-abortion, anti-gun) and McCain (McCain-Feingold).

Posted by: rho at May 28, 2007 05:58 PM (8eBMH)

24 Oh yeah, Andrew Levy made the point on HotAir:
The Republican party of 2007/8 is in general so far from any small-government, small-c conservatism that I think a large number of those voters have already let the door hit them in the ass on their way out.

I can agree with that. And the Republicans will, IMO, regret their decision to make the party the GWoT party. It's unfortunate that the conservative principles Paul advocates are considered secondary to the GWoT. Yeah, I know--"taxes may be bad, but terrorists want to kill us". I can guarantee that you'll be paying taxes next year, and the next and the next; but there's no way anybody can guarantee freedom from terrorism.

Posted by: rho at May 28, 2007 06:07 PM (8eBMH)

25 OK, we're money-grubbing warmongers. You want we should be ashamed of this?

Posted by: Joooooos at May 28, 2007 06:27 PM (Pt3Le)

26 rho,
Do you honestly think I give a fuck what Andrew (Who?) Levy posts on HotAir? Would you please pass the fucking bong you bogartin' piece of shit?
Seriously!

Posted by: Nom de Blog at May 28, 2007 06:41 PM (gxYF3)

27 26 OK, we're money-grubbing warmongers. You want we should be ashamed of this?

NeoCons are chicken hawks.

Posted by: William R at May 28, 2007 06:52 PM (0COji)

28

Still-BornAgains and Hatetriots


Umm, where did all the sane people go?  Did Ace get linked by DU or Daily Chaos?


On another note, if I understand the memo controversy correctly, the pdf floating around is in fact a forgery of a real memo.  Ace stated up-front that this was a possibility.  Yeah, he probably overreacted, but it was a forged copy of the actual memo (at least if I understand the situation correctly).


Posted by: OU_Gryphon at May 28, 2007 06:55 PM (HPU22)

29 OU-Gryphon,
That is my understanding as well. Ace's post came across as more heated than was merited but he spotted a poorly crafted non-copy of a memo (that might rise to the level of forgery, btw) that probably was sent from a State Department person to US Embassy staff. But there was no news story in the memo since there was nothing more than a mild delay in deliveries by KBR.

A couple of left-wing sites tried to play the memo up as super-important -- possibly requiring an Important Action Alert -- big deal when it was not. And the WaPo bit on the non-story.

But Ace got in front of this one ever so slightly and has, to my mind, pulled back ever so slightly so that now he is back on the side of good and right.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at May 28, 2007 07:00 PM (gxYF3)

30 The memo was a phony.  Ace was right to denounce it and those that took it at face value were idiots because it had a little figurine on it as a logo.  And Ace and LGF all were very overt about how the content of the phony memo was verbatim accurate from a real memo.

But the DU and Kos crowd (the same people who are supporting Ron Paul- read DU and Kos if you didn't know that) thinks they have caught some sort of memo-scandal anyway, and will likely spam every thread for a little while.

Remember, it was the liberals threatening assault and being ridiculously insane over this obviously forged memo.  The memo has now been proven fake and Ace was right.  And it's very hollow since the contents were totally legit though they spoke of a problem that didn't materialize, but the memo was fake as Rosie's strap-on dick.

Oh, and very few soldiers in the field ever get three hots a day.  Best case scenario is two hots.  Ron Paul supporters who have spent their time in ANSWER rallies and reading Nazi books don't know much about the military.  Ron Paul supporters are democrats who think they are being clever.

Posted by: PJ at May 28, 2007 07:19 PM (6z/+8)

31

NeoCons are chicken hawks.


I tremble at the awesomeness of your logic.  Don't let the fact that the military is overwhelmingly conservative bother you - I'm sure it's just a fluke.  By the way, in case you didn't get the memo, the term "NeoCon" is no longer in favor precisely because small government conservatives (redundancy alert) are pissed at what the Republican party has become.


Ace's post came across as more heated than was merited but he spotted a poorly crafted non-copy of a memo (that might rise to the level of forgery, btw)


I can tell you this much, I work for the DoD and if I had received that memo, I guarantee there would have been an IG investigation by the end of the day.  Also, it is against the law to distribute official DoD documents without certain statements attached to them.  It is also a basis for disciplinary action to send out official documents that are not on proper letterhead.  I don't know if this is true of State dept. documents, but like I said, where I work there would be an investigation and someone would get their butt reamed over this.


Posted by: OU_Gryphon at May 28, 2007 07:34 PM (HPU22)

32 #31 Ron Paul supporters who have spent their time in ANSWER rallies and reading Nazi books don't know much about the military. Ron Paul supporters are democrats who think they are being clever.

Has to be one of the biggest idiots in cyberspace. Yep, Ron Paul supporters spend their time reading nazi books and going to commie rallies

Posted by: William R at May 28, 2007 07:35 PM (JIAgA)

33 #32 I tremble at the awesomeness of your logic. Don't let the fact that the military is overwhelmingly conservative bother you - I'm sure it's just a fluke. By the way, in case you didn't get the memo, the term "NeoCon" is no longer in favor precisely because small government conservatives (redundancy alert) are pissed at what the Republican party has become.

Another brilliant reply. Pissed off at what the Republican party has become. Well the GOP is in 3rd place now. It has falled behind the Democrats with Independents still leading the way. By the time Bush and his fellow NeoCons get finished with it, there won't be anything left. Even Rush Limbaugh has all but said the GOP is on its last legs. Endless wars borrow and spend andd an ever increasing Federal government. Taft, Eisenhower, Goldwater and Reagan are spinning in their graves.

Posted by: William R at May 28, 2007 07:53 PM (JIAgA)

34

OU-Gryphon,


All the sane people are on the couch sleeping off the bbq., so this frees up a lot more space for the RonCo supporters to post (when not peering through their blinds for Bilderburgers and Masons and Aces to attack their houses).


By the way, does the OU in your screen name refer to any schools I might know?


Posted by: genghis at May 28, 2007 08:02 PM (HwY1l)

35 What happened to Hummelgate? Ya think it will just go away if you ignore it? Well maybe that's how it works with the cult of Bush but not in the real world. You will hear about this again. Still waiting to hear from Ace about why he called Cole a dickhead for being right while he was wrong.

Posted by: PAULQX at May 28, 2007 08:05 PM (6wsCf)

36

William R,


I don't think I could ever support any party, movement, or candidate who is so absolutely devoid of a sense of humor as you espouse, as typified by your comments. I'm sure Ace will continue to let you comment (at least until you get abusive or truly tedious), but I don't think you're really winning any converts. If you post links to porn, I might reconsider my stance.


Posted by: genghis at May 28, 2007 08:08 PM (HwY1l)

37

Another brilliant reply. Pissed off at what the Republican party has become. Well the GOP is in 3rd place now. It has falled [sic] behind the Democrats with Independents still leading the way. By the time Bush and his fellow NeoCons get finished with it, there won't be anything left. Even Rush Limbaugh has all but said the GOP is on its last legs. Endless wars [sic] borrow and spend [sic] andd [sic] an ever increasing Federal government. Taft, Eisenhower, Goldwater and Reagan are spinning in their graves.


I'm sorry, do you have a point? 


Independents are leading the way.  Right...  Ace is a NeoCon, you say.  That's a very interesting theory.  Maybe someone should tell him that.  Oh wait, I get it, support for the GWoT is the purity test of "true conservatives".  Anyone who supports the GWoT must be a NeoCon. 


Sorry, but that is bullshit.  Ace is not a NeoCon, nor does he shill for them.  Of course, if you read this blog regularly you might know that.  Unless, that is, you have some mental defect that prevents you from comprehending the writings of other human beings.  I hear that's pretty common among Ron Paul supporters.


Posted by: OU_Gryphon at May 28, 2007 08:09 PM (HPU22)

38

By the way, does the OU in your screen name refer to any schools I might know?


Boomer Sooner, bitches.


Posted by: OU_Gryphon at May 28, 2007 08:10 PM (HPU22)

39

PAULQX,


Thanks for reminding me. I almost forgot to light the candles tonight (5 in the shape of a W) and drizzle the blood of a small mammal over them. Usually a neighborhood cat since no one misses those. Then I say The Canticle of Rove. I sleep better that way.


Posted by: genghis at May 28, 2007 08:14 PM (HwY1l)

40

OU-Gryphon,


Does the South Oval still have "Fuck Texas" painted on it?


Posted by: genghis at May 28, 2007 08:17 PM (HwY1l)

41 Man, there is something almost admirable about a guy who could make such an ass of himself and not even take the rest of the day off.

Posted by: steve evfuture at May 28, 2007 08:22 PM (a1Das)

42
NeoCons are chicken hawks.  I read those words somewhere and thought they looked really neat together.  Now excuse me, I have to take my meds and go back to my finger painting.


Posted by: William R(etard) at May 28, 2007 08:25 PM (VUcSX)

43

OU-Gryphon,


Does the South Oval still have "Fuck Texas" painted on it?


Sadly, no.  I haven't been on that part of campus in three or four years, but as I recall it now says something lame like "Beat Texas" with Texas being upside down and the dates and scores of all the OU wins.  I blame Boren.


Posted by: OU_Gryphon at May 28, 2007 08:25 PM (HPU22)

44 Ace,

A man would apologize for saying all the false and nasty things you said about Cole and Johnson concerning the memo.

You are just an overgrown child.

Do you need to be burped?

Posted by: cokane at May 28, 2007 08:29 PM (hgodW)

45 Go Blue!
Maize and Blue.
Big House.
Buck the Fuckeyes!

Some of my really good friends are Sooners law breakers.
I got nothing against those cow fuckers.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at May 28, 2007 08:33 PM (gxYF3)

46 Still live in Norman?

Posted by: genghis at May 28, 2007 08:34 PM (HwY1l)

47 Juan Cole is a douchebag. He's a pro - Palestinian terrorism piece of shit.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at May 28, 2007 08:36 PM (gxYF3)

48 I always thought Juan Cole was a brand of shoes.

Posted by: genghis at May 28, 2007 08:39 PM (HwY1l)

49

Harrison:


 


and they find a home on cable over at MSNBC.


 


I do like how this posting has attracted the people who have yet to return to the loony bin for their weekend pass.


Posted by: eddiebear at May 28, 2007 08:41 PM (LfElj)

50

Oh my! Will the real Consevative please stand up?


Ron Paul is more of a conservative then any of the canidates you have running now. Continue on with your nation building, the conservatives have been driven out of the Republican party by a bunch of neo liberal nation building , big spenders, corporate whores chicken hawks. Pathetic!


 


GO RON PAUL! I hope he runs as an INDIE because this Republican party is the the most pathetic excuse for domestic and foreign policy this nation has ever seen.


Posted by: republicrats at May 28, 2007 08:43 PM (AaG/D)

51 Ron Oaul strikes me as an Olbermannesque figure. He's a conspiratorial lunatic and devoid of sanity and always finishes near or at the bottom of the ratings. Yet, the supporters (all five of them) are rabid and like to flood websites.

Posted by: eddiebear at May 28, 2007 08:52 PM (LfElj)

52 The only conspiracy going is that the current batch of Republicans are conservative!

Posted by: republicrats at May 28, 2007 08:59 PM (AaG/D)

53

republicrats,


You forgot to mention the whole feasting on the blood of children thing, etc. And you're really short on exclamation points. Here, I'll lend you some: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Posted by: genghis at May 28, 2007 09:00 PM (HwY1l)

54

Still live in Norman?


No, I was offered and took a job in Utah.  I loved living in Norman, though.  Game day in Norman - beer, burgers, and babes as far as the eye can see.  Is there anything better?  (Well, maybe a 63-14 ass-whooping at the Texas state fair)


Some of my really good friends are Sooners law breakers.
I got nothing against those cow fuckers.


I offer no counter-argument to the law breakers jab, but you must have us confused with the Cow-Pokers of OSU with the second comment.


Posted by: OU_Gryphon at May 28, 2007 09:28 PM (HPU22)

55 My apologies for the second comment.

Does OSU mean Ohio State? 'Cause they do worse than that there.
Or did you mean Oklahoma State?

Posted by: Nom de Blog at May 28, 2007 09:56 PM (gxYF3)

56

I would consider it a privilege if
you would add my blog www.blacktygrrrr.wordpress.com
to your list of linked sites if you feel the quality is high.


A peaceful Memorial Day to
you.


eric




Posted by: eric at May 28, 2007 10:17 PM (rHTI9)

57 I hear ya' Gryph. Still, the thing I miss most about Norman is the Greek House. I used to live right across the street from the place on Jenkins. I've never eaten a gyro that comes aywhere close to theirs. The aftermath was always equally spectacular, but I won't go into that because this is a family blog.

Posted by: genghis at May 28, 2007 10:51 PM (HwY1l)

58

but I won't go into that because this is a family blog.


Since when?


Posted by: Cybrludite at May 29, 2007 12:15 AM (XFoEH)

59 Ron Paul is more of a conservative then any of the canidates you have
running now. Continue on with your nation building, the
conservatives have been driven out of the Republican party by a bunch
of neo liberal nation building , big spenders, corporate whores chicken
hawks. Pathetic!


You know, I might agree with you about the spending problem, as would a lot of people, but you lose us on the war stuff.  I'm guessing that from your "nation building" comment that you don't just disdain the Iraq war but the invasion of Afghanistan as well.  There are probably a number of legitimate ways to critique the Iraq war from the right, but the war in Afghanistan after 9/11?  Come on.  What would Ron Paul have done?

And the chickenhawk thing?  That's really fucking tired.  Especially coming from someone who purportedly supports a libertarian conservative.  Can you tell me with a straight face that you, as a libertarian, support the idea that the only people who should be able to determine our foreign policy in a time of war are those who have served in the military?

The real question here is this: How do you expect us to take you seriously as a strict-constructionist conservative libertarian when you seem to be sneering at the Constitutional premise of civilian control over the military?  How are you going to defend that idea?

Posted by: Sean M. at May 29, 2007 12:26 AM (RvRsW)

60

Ron Paul is a voice of reason in a sea of insanity.


Please feel free to join us at www.stormfront.org forums to discuss this issue.


thank you.


Posted by: White Knight at May 29, 2007 12:34 AM (2bGhw)

61

seeing how Ace wrote in his first post about the Iraq food delays memo:


Alas... While the "document" may be fake, it may be accurate. That is, a faked pdf that nevertheless accurately conveys the information in a real memo.


This WaPo story quotes from the "memo," which would fill me with joy that the WaPo's been punked, except for the fact than an embassy official in Iraq says that convoys have been backed up.


I don't see where he needs to apologize to anyone.  And in the most recent post, he conceded that the contents of the memo were accurate- which is more than I can say for any libs when they are shown to be wrong.  Rathergate anyone?


Posted by: Darth Randall at May 29, 2007 12:35 AM (8QpU5)

62 I don't think Ron Paul is a conniving bastard with a small horde of fanatics.

I think he is an honest android trying to secure the robot vote.

At least it will solve the medicare crisis when the robots come for our pills. No other candidate can claim that.

Posted by: Tom the Pooklekufr at May 29, 2007 12:37 AM (PvwI4)

63

Ron Paul's kind of political platforms are what kept the Republicans in the minority until Reagan came along with the Conservative Revolution.  It's because of Paul's old world isolationism and protectionism that Democrats could remain in the majority allowing for the opportunity  to hook the peeples onto the government entitlement tit they been sucking  the last fifty years.


Posted by: syn at May 29, 2007 01:36 AM (tUtn0)

64

a direct link to God, aka Ron Paul. http://www.whitecivilrights.com/


Posted by: White Knight at May 29, 2007 01:40 AM (2bGhw)

65 Remember when they closed down all the big mental hospitals a couple decades ago? This is the result.

Posted by: digitalbrownshirt at May 29, 2007 01:44 AM (/rgAZ)

66 #37. I'm not trying to win any converts. Just pointing out how NeoCons are destroying the Republican party and conservatism.

Posted by: William R at May 29, 2007 02:36 AM (dcFrk)

67 Cool.  Skinhead trolls.  Is that a first?  Just doesn't fit the AoS Lifestyle....

Posted by: HerrMorgenholz at May 29, 2007 02:42 AM (K/lgF)

68 #64 It's because of Paul's old world isolationism and protectionism that Democrats could remain in the majority allowing for the opportunity to hook the peeples onto the government entitlement tit they been sucking the last fifty years.

I can't believe how uniformed the posters at Ace's blog are. Ron Paul isn't a protectionist. He's a free trader. And he supported the Afghan war.

Posted by: William R at May 29, 2007 02:52 AM (dcFrk)

69

Ron Paulitics has escaped the innertubes.  Yesterday, I saw the first "Ron Paul is being supressed by the evil neo-con media" letter to the editor in our statewide-daily paper.


We're all doomed.


Posted by: Steve L. at May 29, 2007 03:01 AM (hpZf2)

70

It has falled behind the Democrats


This is the brilliance know as William R


Christ sakes, Billy.  Did you even get out of the 5th grade?


Posted by: Red Dog at May 29, 2007 03:07 AM (8vZvE)

71

dave sounds like the same idiot troll at CQ who masturbates to pictures of Castro and dreams of taking Fidel dancing in discos in Venezuela after taking nudes strolls along the beach.


Just sayin


Posted by: Red Dog at May 29, 2007 03:19 AM (8vZvE)

72 #71

I know posters are on the run when all they've got is typos.

Posted by: William R at May 29, 2007 03:38 AM (dcFrk)

Posted by: William R at May 29, 2007 03:41 AM (dcFrk)

74 IMHO: Ron Paul is just a little whacky; his supporters on the other hand are screamin' Ape-Scat Nuts.

Posted by: V the K at May 29, 2007 03:45 AM (PLvLS)

75 Game day in Norman - beer, burgers, and babes as far as the eye can see.  Is there anything better?

Yes, game day in Austin. 

Ron Paul's kind of political platforms are what kept the Republicans in
the minority until Reagan came along with the Conservative Revolution. 
It's because of Paul's old world isolationism and protectionism that
Democrats could remain in the majority


I understand the "isolationism" (although the pre-Reagan conservatives called it "non-interventionism," although that's just a semantic, rhetorical distinction).  But protectionism?  Did you not read the link about Ron Paul's comments on Milton Friedman? 

Posted by: Phinn at May 29, 2007 03:48 AM (PpRB6)

76

Holy shit.


The white supremecist site linked by White Knight has an editorial by Ron Paul lifted from another site 'Anti-War.com'. What a time we live in.


Ron Paul proves the saying that if you go far enough around the political spectrum, you end up on the other side.


Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at May 29, 2007 03:50 AM (/UoGI)

77

Taft, Eisenhower, Goldwater and Reagan are spinning in their graves.


I could if I wanted to, because later in life I lost a bunch of weight and got back down to my college wrestling 265.


But in this case, no grave spinning for me.  Ron Paul is a complete window licker and a total Kyle.


He is such a Kyle.


Posted by: William Howard Taft at May 29, 2007 04:19 AM (pzen5)

78

Does OSU mean Ohio State? 'Cause they do worse than that there.
Or did you mean Oklahoma State?


Po-tay-to, po-tah-to.  Although, the other other OSU, Oregon State, is cool because they kept fucking USC out of the big game last year.


Still, the thing I miss most about Norman is the Greek House.


Oh my god, yes!  I used to have an apartment on Boyd within walking distance.  The little old lady that ran the place got to know me as a regular so there were quite a few times when the take-out box was so full of meat and fries that it barely closed.


 


Posted by: OU_Gryphon at May 29, 2007 04:22 AM (HPU22)

79 There are probably a number of legitimate ways to critique the Iraq war from the right, but the war in Afghanistan after 9/11? Come on. What would Ron Paul have done?

He voted for the Afghan war. Reluctantly, but not because he's necessarily reflexively anti-war. He's anti-big government, and nothing makes such a good excuse for bigger government than a war.

adolpho_velasquez:
The white supremecist site linked by White Knight has an editorial by Ron Paul lifted from another site 'Anti-War.com'. What a time we live in.

If you think that Ron Paul is some kind of white supremacist because some white-power site reposted his article (almost certainly without permission), then you're crazy. If you're shocked that his article would be posted on anti-war.com, then that's better, but still--Paul is opposed to the war in Iraq. Anti-War.com will post his articles. He's a Representative in Congress. His articles will end up in a lot of places when people agree with what he's saying.

The White Power people probably agree with most of this site WRT immigration. That doesn't make you folks racists.

Posted by: rho at May 29, 2007 04:30 AM (8eBMH)

80 Ron Paul is a voice of reason in a sea of insanity.

Wha? WAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow, that's just funny.  See guys, reverse a couple words and the sentence goes from depressing:
Ron Paul is a voice of insanity who can see no reason.

To the purely amusing quote above.  Impressive.

Posted by: Gekkobear at May 29, 2007 04:31 AM (3O+FT)

81

If you think that Ron Paul is some kind of white supremacist because some white-power site reposted his article (almost certainly without permission), then you're crazy.


Dear, sweet, stupid Rho - I don't think Ron Paul is a white supremacist because of that.  No, perish the thought!


No siree, Ron Paul's racism stands completely on it's own.


Posted by: Rocketeer at May 29, 2007 04:43 AM (GFaLW)

82

If Ron Paul believes in 'free trade' why does he side withAmerican labor unions, environmental restrictionists and religious groups who are against things like NAFTA?


Protectionism as in we got ours so fuck everyone else kinda of blue-haired country club republican protectionism, he's the kind of Old World Republican  who turns people into Democrat voters.


That said, the only reason our government is importing illegal immigrants is to replace the some 48 million Social Security funders who have been aborted over the last thirty years, not to create a North American Union.


Ron Paul is not a Reagan Conservative.  Reagan believed that it is American exceptionalism which is a force of good in the world not evil. 


Ron Paul is absolutely wrong about Iraq in every way possible.


 


 


Posted by: syn at May 29, 2007 04:43 AM (tUtn0)

83

I personally love Ron Paul threads.


He's like that guy, Candyman, except annoying instead of deadly.


Say his name three times and his supporters show up to explain why you're an idiot.


Posted by: Veeshir at May 29, 2007 04:46 AM (zXUuJ)

84 Holy Shit, did someone post a link to PrisonPlanet or something? Where are all of these toons coming from?

Posted by: DoDoGuRu at May 29, 2007 04:51 AM (zZy28)

85

>>I can't believe how uniformed the posters at Ace's blog are. Ron Paul isn't a protectionist. He's a free trader. And he supported the Afghan war.


William R,


Not all AoS posters and comenters are uniformed. Some of us even run around naked. We have a lot of ex-Military guys and girls. One of our commenters is currently serving . So I believe he may be uniformed. Though he does sneak out in his undies when the Officers are not looking.


I don't get what being uniformed has to do with Ron Paul, his protectionism(or lack of it), and his support for the Afghanistan war.


Posted by: Tushar D at May 29, 2007 05:01 AM (IlgNp)

86

If you think that Ron Paul is some kind of white supremacist because some white-power site reposted his article (almost certainly without permission), then you're crazy.


Rho, I realize that Ron Paul did not request that his editorial be placed on a white supremecist site.


However, he is a Bircher. I'm not an idiot - I've known enough Birchers to know that many of them get juicy over the Turner Diaries. In my political youth, I even attented some Bircher meetings. They are immature nuts, fighting a war against hallucinatory enemies while our real enemies go about converting half of the third world to anti-westernism and flying planes into buildings.


Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at May 29, 2007 05:35 AM (/UoGI)

87 Ron Paul is going to lose in the next GOP primary and will not represent his district in Congress anymore.  He will become another sad, neglected and forgotten footnote in American history and we will all be better for the fact that he and his political philosophy will not gain any significant power.

Posted by: Fred at May 29, 2007 05:38 AM (ivbbD)

88 This year's Ron Paul Internet spamming seems very similar to previous years' Alan Keyes spam in many ways.  I'm curious about how many of them are the same people.  At first glance, you'd think they'd have little in common, Paul being a doctrinaire Libertarian Party type, and Keyes being a doctrinaire "social conservative," but maybe the desire to support a no-hoper fringe candidate surprasses such petty ideological differences?

Posted by: David C at May 29, 2007 05:51 AM (/mZ91)

89 #83

I've got news for ya, NAFTA isn't free trade. NAFTA is 20 thousand pages of bureaucratic nonsense.

Posted by: William R at May 29, 2007 05:56 AM (dcFrk)

90

Yes yes yes good good.


But will Ron Paul bring the sexy back into politics?


Posted by: Entropy at May 29, 2007 05:58 AM (m6c4H)

91

Here's what I'm thinking:


We vote for Dennis Kucinich.


Because his hot little housefrauw is a completely nutty moonbat chick who just might do something crazy like, I dunno, have a naked teaparty to protest the war in Darfur on C-SPAN with Yulia Tymoshenko.


And is that not truly the realization of the American dream?


Posted by: Entropy at May 29, 2007 06:02 AM (m6c4H)

92 So did I miss the apology to Juan Cole? The retraction for being 100% wrong about that "fake" memo?

Or has the Ace of Holes "moved on"?

Posted by: dave™© at May 29, 2007 06:06 AM (qUpJD)

93

Dave,


Flappy the Trotskyite Neojew Hellbent on Global Revolution Bird is sorry turned a legitimate email into a totally fake, hyped up document.


Posted by: Entropy at May 29, 2007 06:10 AM (m6c4H)

94 If you look closely, most Internet polls have an eagle figurine in the upper left corner. True story!

Posted by: RLimpbaugh at May 29, 2007 06:12 AM (6n7NU)

95 I love Ron Paul and I hope to fellate him someday.

Posted by: Ron Paul is like unto a God at May 29, 2007 06:19 AM (VUcSX)

96 adolfo:
However, he is a Bircher. I'm not an idiot - I've known enough Birchers to know that many of them get juicy over the Turner Diaries.

Could be. However, I'm not quite ready to smear a man for something he might agree with. I guess you could say I'm a Bircher, in that I too think the Constitution has been completely bypassed by the federal government through partisan bickering. I don't think it's a conspiracy, though, outside of the normal conspiratorial thinking that naturally occurs when somebody seeks power to enact what they think is best.

I don't like the quote-mining and guilt-by-association going on WRT Ron Paul, though. This kind of macaca-politics is ultimately detrimental, and it is the very thing that the DKos folks are agitating for with Markos's "Tape Everything They Do" article.

There's an article on LewRockwell.com (yeah, yeah, I know) regarding Giuliani. It also quote-mines and casts him in the worst light possible. I disagree with that, too. I don't like Giuliani as a Republican candidate, but I don't think he's Mussolini either.

I'd much prefer for the GOP candidates to assume that the other guys aren't out to destroy America and to let the conversation flow cordially and logically rather than by easy peel-and-stick labels as a shortcut to persuasive arguments.

Posted by: rho at May 29, 2007 06:26 AM (8eBMH)

97

Dear Dave,


I'm sorry that someone took an actual memo and faked it up with an implausible color scheme and a ridiculous Google image in order conjure visions of horror and military ineptitude over a situation that never materialized.


Posted by: Ace of Holes at May 29, 2007 06:45 AM (zZy28)

98

Ron Paul is just a little whacky; his supporters on the other hand are screamin' Ape-Scat Nuts.


I resent that. My scat is almost entirely nut-free.  Corn, on the other hand, is a different matter.


PS: I nailed Zira.


Posted by: Dr. Zaius at May 29, 2007 06:47 AM (Ka5Jh)

99 You're right. A lot of us are Ex-Republicans who will never vote Republican again. After all, it is the REPUBLICAN party that is selling out their country to Mexico and destroying it.

Why are we supposed to support Republicans again?

Posted by: John Jay at May 29, 2007 07:01 AM (MWjaG)

100 I'm sorry that someone took an actual memo and faked it up with an
implausible color scheme and a ridiculous Google image in order conjure
visions of horror and military ineptitude over a situation that never
materialized.


Just say you were wrong. Apologize for the error. Apologize to Juan Cole.

Because You. Were. Wrong. And you smeared everyone who pointed that out. And now They're Right and You're. Fucking. Wrong. So just fucking admit it already.

You know, I don't give a shit if you have zero credibility and make a complete fucking fool of yourself over this. Frankly, it helps my "side" to have a moron like you stamping your feet like the spoiled little brat you are and denying reality like your Great Fascist God, the Drunken Sociopath Occupying the White House.

So do what you want. Every little temper tantrum you throw proves my point.

Posted by: dave™© at May 29, 2007 07:16 AM (qUpJD)

101

Dave,


Could you just list the specific things for which you believe Ace should apologize?


Could you link to apologies expressed by your co-partiers over the Rathergate memo, so Ace would have a form to follow?


Roy


Posted by: Roy at May 29, 2007 07:18 AM (RNbCq)

102

By the way, "Ace of Holes" was not Ace. It was someone making fun of you.


Pwned™©.


Posted by: Roy at May 29, 2007 07:19 AM (RNbCq)

103 A family blog? Ace is a neocon? Yeah, and we're all drinking that free BubbleUp and eating that rainbow stew.

Posted by: mikeyslaw at May 29, 2007 07:19 AM (yrptY)

104 Can anyone on this blog tell me why we invaded Iraq and why we're still there. As bad as Saddam was, Iraq had the most secular regime in the Arab world. It had a large(not anymore) Christian minority that was left alone. Women weren't forced to wear burkas or hijibs.The latest in western fashion were very common.Nightclubs serving liquor were common also. And the regime acted as a buffer against the nutballs in Iran.

Closing in on 1 trillion dollars with over 3 thousand dead Americans and no end in sight, it's time for the NeoCons to realize their policies are a disaster.

Posted by: William R at May 29, 2007 07:21 AM (s8VJu)

105

No need to apologize, Ace; I'm getting lots of sympathy BJs from dave™© at the moment.


Its good to be Wrong™ and have lackeys!


Posted by: Juan Cole at May 29, 2007 07:29 AM (EKMxC)

106

Psst... Roy, don't blow my cover!


Psst... William R, you need to hit up the Talking Points Store sometime soon. Even the moonbats have pretty much moved on from the 6 year old "why we invaded Secular Iraq" monologue.


Posted by: Ace of Holes at May 29, 2007 07:29 AM (zZy28)

107

As bad as Saddam was, Iraq had the most secular regime in the Arab world.


Complete with torture chambers, political prisons, "disappeared" opponents, state-sanctioned political revenge rapes, gassed dissident populations, et.c, etc.


It had a large(not anymore) Christian minority that was left alone.


They flew kites!  Their dogs - if they had been allowed to own dogs - would always have been puppies!  When it rained - well, when it wasn't rainig acid on them in the torture rooms - it rained gumdrops!


Women weren't forced to wear burkas or hijibs.


Why, no, they weren't.  Mainly so Uday and Qusay could pick out the good-looking ones as they drove by so they wouldn't waste time abducting, raping, and killing "undesirables."


The latest in western fashion were very common.


See above.


Nightclubs serving liquor were common also.


Yeah, we had those in Chicago in the 20s.  I think they're called "speakeasies."  Downside: police raids.  Double downside in Iraq: capital offense if it's a non-Baathist speakeasy.


And the regime acted as a buffer against the nutballs in Iran.


Make up your mind, lefties - are buffer tyrants good or bad?  Hell, I'll even let you change your mind from time to time, just at least stay on one side of that argument for more than 15 minutes.

Closing in on 1 trillion dollars with over 3 thousand dead Americans and no end in sight, it's time for the NeoCons to realize their policies are a disaster.


These talking points™ have been brought to you for the last 4 years by the Democratic National Committee.


Posted by: Rocketeer at May 29, 2007 07:32 AM (GFaLW)

108 You know, I don't give a shit if you have zero credibility and make a complete fucking fool of yourself over this.

Heh.

Posted by: Toby928 at May 29, 2007 07:34 AM (ATbKm)

109 I see that none of the Ronbots have responded to my question about how one can claim to be a strict-constructionist conservative libertarian and still toss out the "chickenhawk" smear (see comment #60).

Why am I not surprised?

Posted by: Sean M. at May 29, 2007 07:42 AM (RvRsW)

110

I don't like the quote-mining and guilt-by-association going on WRT Ron Paul, though. This kind of macaca-politics is ultimately detrimental, and it is the very thing that the DKos folks are agitating for with Markos's "Tape Everything They Do" article.


Fair enough, I will take Ron Paul's statements regarding race with a grain of salt. Truthfully, I couldn't pick Ron Paul out of a lineup. I haven't read his policy statements, nor do I care to. He's not going to win. He's not said anything that will pull the party in a helpful direction.


He is, however, a great source of comic potential.


Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at May 29, 2007 07:47 AM (/UoGI)

111 So do what you want. Every little temper tantrum you throw proves my point.

This, after throwing his own little foot-stomping bit.

Where's Officer O'Irony when you need him?

Posted by: Slublog at May 29, 2007 07:57 AM (R8+nJ)

112 Truthfully, I couldn't pick Ron Paul out of a lineup.

He'd be the one with the Truthers and potheads swinging from his nuts.

Posted by: zetetic at May 29, 2007 07:59 AM (EKkeq)

113

He'd be the one with the Truthers and potheads swinging from his nuts.


Don't forget us!


Posted by: Skinheads at May 29, 2007 08:01 AM (GFaLW)

114 You know, I don't give a shit if you have zero credibility and make a complete fucking fool of yourself over this.

You know, for someone who doesn't give a shit, you're spending quite a bit of time and effort.  I mean, when there's a post here in which I don't give a shit... I generally don't post a comment at all.  Consider that one for a moment...

Whereas you, you have posted 4 times on something you don't even care about.  Dear lord, how many repetetive annoying posts do you have when you do care?


Posted by: Gekkobear at May 29, 2007 08:06 AM (3O+FT)

115

Does anyone else prefer the rho on display here -- the one that is civil and coherent (and not altogether unpersuasive) in his disagreements with all of us Bush-worshipping flunkies® -- to the one that's always trying to sodomize our mothers?


Is it just me?


Posted by: VJay at May 29, 2007 08:11 AM (qEool)

116 If Ron Paul wasn't limited to being voted for by A) Human Beings; B) Citizens of the United States of America; and C) People of voting age, then he'd probably stand a pretty decent chance of coming within the top three Republican candidates. Unfortunately for him, he is limited in such a way. Therefore, he'll probably never get out from the margin-of-error percentages in the (real-world, i.e. non-online) polls. It's a shame really, becasue it'd be sort of interesting - in a sadistic way - to see what it'd be like to have a confused, paranoid schizophrenic old man as leader of the free world for those few weeks before he did something stupid and the whole world went to shit.

Posted by: Infidelsalwayswin at May 29, 2007 08:12 AM (CltvD)

117 VJay, you stole my point, but let's give rho some very well-deserved props here...

Rho, thanks for bringing your thoughtfulness and humor to the table on this thread, in addition to demonstrating the clear difference between genuine, thought-out Ron Paul supporters and lefty trolls trying to wreak their definition of havoc on everyone else. This is the rho we know and love among us regulars.

And- like you said...

I don't like the quote-mining and guilt-by-association going on WRT Ron
Paul, though. This kind of macaca-politics is ultimately detrimental,
and it is the very thing that the DKos folks are agitating for with
Markos's "Tape Everything They Do" article.


and...

I'd much prefer for the GOP candidates to assume that the other guys
aren't out to destroy America and to let the conversation flow
cordially and logically rather than by easy peel-and-stick labels as a
shortcut to persuasive arguments.


Couldn't have put it better myself. Hey lefty trolls- observe. Cordial and friendly- persuasive. Third-grade insults- unpersuasive.

Thanks again, rho.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at May 29, 2007 08:26 AM (7XeAy)

118 Damn Ace, you've got Bircher kooks, rabid nutroots, AND Neonazis trolling you! All in one post!

Posted by: Sinistar at May 29, 2007 08:27 AM (1Wvre)

119 AIPAC, the most powerful lobby in Washington DC



The most powerful lobby?  You really believe that to be true?


Posted by: sandy burger at May 29, 2007 08:28 AM (K2rlS)

120 >>Damn Ace, you've got Bircher kooks, rabid nutroots, AND Neonazis trolling you! All in one post!

Don't forget mouth breathing, knuckle dragging morons. We wuz here first.

Posted by: JackStraw at May 29, 2007 08:34 AM (t+mja)

121

AIPAC ain't shit in my book.


Posted by: AARP at May 29, 2007 08:37 AM (pzen5)

122

I don't think that the Neonazi troll was real - he was spoofing by pointing out where some of Ron Paul's support comes from.


Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at May 29, 2007 08:38 AM (/UoGI)

123 AIPAC can have our guns when they pry it from our cold, dead fingers.

Posted by: NRA at May 29, 2007 08:40 AM (/UoGI)

124

Ron Paul: Truther, Racist, Loon... and hypocrite.  His "small government" schtick isn't very convincing when he's slipping pork-barrel spending into bills at the last minute.


I'm not too worried about his supporters; after Ron Paul gets a whopping 1% of the vote in the primaries, his nutjob poll-spamming worshippers will be found dead in some South American compound after drinking cyanide-laced Kool-Aid.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 29, 2007 08:41 AM (plsiE)

125

Wait, lefties - wasn't it just 5 minutes ago that I was the big string-puller in Washington?  You igmos are so fickle...


Posted by: Big Oil at May 29, 2007 08:43 AM (GFaLW)

126 AIPAC who?

Posted by: AFL-CIO at May 29, 2007 08:53 AM (EKMxC)

127

and denying reality like your Great Fascist God, the Drunken Sociopath Occupying the White House.


You must be new here.  If I were to guess Bush's approval rating among AoSHQ regulars, I would say it is somewhere between 0 and 10%.  Ace regularly blasts Bush for his stupid, anti-conservative decisions.  But hey, don't let those nasty facts get in the way of your talking points, because You're. So. Fucking. Persuasive. When. You. Put. A. Period. After. Every. Word.


Posted by: OU_Gryphon at May 29, 2007 09:16 AM (HPU22)

128 Teh stoopid is starting to make me sad.
Perhaps the regulars should try reverse psychology on the trolls.
I'll go first:

Ron Paul is great but the Man is keeping him down. I'm glad the troll-o-licious amongst us have the huevos to say so. Thanks for coming to Ace of Spades HQ to set us straight. You may now return to Sadly, No or DU or DailyKos to tell your peers that you bested the dumb Retardlicans. Well played, good sirs.

Posted by: Sheila Brozlowski de Blog at May 29, 2007 09:53 AM (gxYF3)

129

It's wierd how the RP supporters can show up in a moment's notice whenever he's mentioned on the internet, but they don't seem to exist in real life.


I'm with Ace.  This is a coordinated campaign by the lefties to create a Jesse Jackson-style spoiler for the right.  As if John McCain wasn't enough.  And yeah, there's probably a few well meaning fools in addition.


Posted by: Eric at May 29, 2007 10:04 AM (eSqCK)

130 #100 REPUBLICAN party that is selling out their country to Mexico and destroying it.

Why are we supposed to support Republicans again?


Ron Paul, end birthright citizenship and all welfare benefits to illegals. Including public schooling. Seal the border. I'm sure the Ace and his crew are big on Rudy. Bomb Bomb Bomb. But Andrew Sullivan marriage, illegal alien rights, gun grabbing etc etc. Now who is the real Repulican. NeoCon Rudy or Ron Paul

Posted by: William R at May 29, 2007 10:21 AM (orjyy)

131

Ron Paul, end birthright citizenship and all welfare benefits to illegals.


Entropy, will make sure you all get blowjobs if he is elected President.


You see...cuz....the President can't actually do those things, it's court issues...Presidents cannot ammend constitutions...ahh nevermind.


Posted by: Entropy at May 29, 2007 10:43 AM (m6c4H)

132 #120 no doubt about it. Just look at what happned toJohn Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and Stephen Walt, academic dean of Harvard's Kennedy School of Government. They were smeared as the 2nd coming of Hitler.

And name any other lobby that could get away with almost zero coverage by the mainstream media when 2 of its senior officials are charged with espionage against the USA. Besides Michelle Malkin hardly anyone has even mentioned it. AIPAC OFFICIALS INDICTED

Posted by: William R at May 29, 2007 10:46 AM (OmEce)

133 I'm sure the Ace and his crew are big on Rudy.

New around here eh?

Posted by: Toby928 at May 29, 2007 11:05 AM (ATbKm)

134

And name any other lobby that could get away with almost zero coverage by the mainstream media when 2 of its senior officials are charged with espionage against the USA.


CAIR and MPAC. What do I win?


Posted by: DoDoGuRu at May 29, 2007 11:06 AM (zZy28)

135 Now everybody wants to suck my cock for being nice. Don't get used to it--once I get back on the gin, I'm getting back on your mothers.

Ron Paul supporters are like Harry Browne supporters. Hell, they're the same people, more or less. You don't hear from them until it comes time to elect some suit as King of America.

That earmark link sucked, though. That's news to me, though federal funding for waterways projects isn't that horrible as earmarks go. Still, boo hiss.

Still voting for him in the primaries, assuming he makes it that far.

Posted by: rho at May 29, 2007 11:21 AM (8eBMH)

136 #135 BS. CAIR has never been charged with epionage. A few of their people have been indicted and sent to prison for raising money for Hamas etc etc.And it was all over the news. On the other hand, the FBI had been doing counter espionage against the 2 AIPAC guys for over a year. They finally got em in a sting at a DC restuarant which the FEDS had wired up with video and sound.

Posted by: William R at May 29, 2007 11:39 AM (0zM3f)

137

LOL @ William R.


Tell me, please, what constitutes "all over the news" in your dimension?


Posted by: DoDoGuRu at May 29, 2007 11:42 AM (zZy28)

138

After exhaustive research, I've found the info on the AIPAC "spies".


Two AIPAC staffers got indicted for leaking Iran info that they received from the Defense Department after they gossiped to the press and other AIPACers. The Defense Department guy passed the info so he could get it to the US National Security Council because, according to Wiki, 'he couldn't get it to go through regular Pentagon channels'.


I'd say that AIPAC is the least of the problems in this story.


 


Posted by: Gayford Buttram at May 29, 2007 11:49 AM (/0y1E)

139

Crap, I forgot to change my name back.


Oh well, there's nothing wrong with the name Gayford Buttram.


Posted by: Gayford Buttram at May 29, 2007 11:50 AM (/0y1E)

140 #139

No, you're wrong. Colonel Larry Franklin who worked for Douglas Feith at the Pentagon was taped passing top secret info to the AIPAC guys at a DC restuarant. The FBI had been counducting counter espionage on the 2 AIPAC guys for over a year. Now why on earth is the FBI following around 2 senior officials from AIPAC?? For the record, Colonel Frankling copt a plea and has been sentenced to 15yrs in the slammer. He's going to testify against the AIPAC two.

Posted by: William R at May 29, 2007 12:06 PM (0zM3f)

141

From what little I've read of the story, I could care less.


I hope Israel gets all of our Iran intel, and I hope we get all of theirs. We're on the same side.


With any luck, Israel will take care of our pesky Amahdinejad problem before we see Times Square go up in a mushroom cloud.


P.S. Fuck Ron Paul. 


Posted by: Gayford Buttram at May 29, 2007 12:20 PM (/0y1E)

142

Generally speaking, I think spies and traitors should be given the Rosenberg treatment.  However, Gayford brings up a good point, or at least alludes to it.  While we are fighting for our way of life in Afghanistan and Iraq, we are doing so from 10,000 miles away.  If we fail Over There, there will be serious repurcussions, but they are likely to be long term.


Israel is fighting not just for their way of life, but for their very survival and they are doing so with neighbors which are within two hours flying time.  Failure in battle for the Israelis means the imminent death of your nation and destruction of your homeland.


I don't like the fact that they are stealing our intel - this espionage could at the very least endanger our intel sources.  However, there is a big difference between betraying your country to its enemies and stealing info to aid an ally nation against our common enemies.  I'm not defending what these people did - I do think they should be punished - but I think some perspective is in order.


Posted by: OU_Gryphon at May 29, 2007 02:21 PM (HPU22)

143 William R:

#120 no doubt about it. Just look at
what happned toJohn Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and
Stephen Walt, academic dean of Harvard's Kennedy School of Government.
They were smeared as the 2nd coming of Hitler.



Dear heavens.  They were outspoken about politics, and suffered criticism for it?!  That's some awesome lobbying power right there.



And name any other lobby that could
get away with almost zero coverage by the mainstream media when 2 of
its senior officials are charged with espionage against the USA.




It got plenty of media coverage.



Besides Michelle Malkin hardly anyone has even mentioned it.



See, now you're talking about right-wing bloggers, not the media. 
Separate issue.  And you're right: right-wing bloggers didn't care
much, because it wasn't seen as particularly damaging to America. 
That doesn't make what they did OK, of course, it just makes it less
interesting to pundits.



I'm not denying that the pro-Israel lobby has influence.  But so
does the pro-Canada lobby.  Good grief, man, Israel is a tiny
country and jews are a small minority.  Where could this awesome
lobbying power possibly come from?  Money?  The Saudis have
much more of it, as well as a good grip on the throat of our
economy.  American Jewish voters?  They overwhelmingly vote
Democrat, and are vastly outnumbered by most other minority groups,
including Arab-Americans.  So where does this awesome lobbying
power come from?




Posted by: sandy burger at May 29, 2007 02:38 PM (Cpse7)

144

I know posters are on the run when all they've got is typos.


I'm a little late with this comment, but I bet ole Billy has 'em on the run all the time.  If all you have is misspelled Rontard™/democratic talking points, we're not going to debate the same old arguments, we're going to make fun of your spelling.


Posted by: OU_Gryphon at May 29, 2007 03:46 PM (HPU22)

145 Just to clarify, for the evidently myopic...

The probable reason the AIPAC case hasn't received any press is because it doesn't make terribly interesting video, and didn't hurt some poor downtrodden soul who would go screaming to the media. Plus, AIPAC is not on the list of groups that the AP pays any attention to.

In the meantime, addressing rho...

We were speaking to the fact that you're much more engaging when you're cordial. If your default setting is asshole, I will cheerfully retract my thanks.

Sheesh. Guy can't even take a fucking compliment.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at May 29, 2007 04:38 PM (7XeAy)

146 Ace and Pixy Misa,

You are getting spammers in the active comments sections.
See #147 above.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at May 29, 2007 10:50 PM (gxYF3)

147

#120 no doubt about it. Just look at what happned toJohn Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and Stephen Walt, academic dean of Harvard's Kennedy School of Government. They were smeared as the 2nd coming of Hitler.


I think their treatment has something to do with the fact that the paper you mention was about as "objective" as a typical Leni Reifenstahl flick.  Funny how naked anti-semitism and shoddy scholarship bring out the critics.  Weird.


Of course, you've read the steaming pile of pitifully-argued "research" to which you're referring, right?  Care to defend it, or are you just reflexively defensive of anyone who attacks the Jooooo bogeymen under your bed?


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