April 30, 2013

Shock: Rubio's Claim that Amnestied Illegals Won't Be Eligible for Welfare is, How You Say?, A Complete Fiction
— Ace

Via Twitchy.

Expanding legal immigration will push up spending on food stamps, Head Start, housing subsidies, and other benefits legal immigrants are eligible for upon arrival. Though Section 212(a)(4) of the U.S. Code says no immigrant who’s at risk of becoming a “public charge” can get a green card, it is never enforced. Half of green card holders have household incomes below 138% of the federal poverty line, and they’re also largely uninsured.

Insuring these legal newcomers will add $100 billion over the next decade to the ever rising cost of Obamacare. The health law makes legal immigrants eligible for subsidized private health insurance as soon as they arrive. Half of these newcomers will qualify for maximum assistance, costing $9,000 per enrollee, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

And:

“The Gang of Eight made a promise that illegal immigrants will not be able to access public benefits,” Sessions said in a statement to Breitbart News. “We already know that, once granted green cards and ultimately citizenship, illegal immigrants will be able to access all public benefit programs at a great cost to taxpayers. We have, however, identified a number of loopholes that would allow illegal immigrants to draw public benefits even sooner than advertised.”

Well since we have so much extra money we hardly know what to do with it, putting 10-30 million new citizens or green card holders on the dole would kill two birds with one stone, no?

Finally we'd have something to do with all those extra hundreds of billions of dollars weighing down our pockets.

Posted by: Ace at 10:41 AM | Comments (295)
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1 bummer

Posted by: teh Wind at April 30, 2013 10:43 AM (JIMJN)

2
Why are we even doing this, anyway?


Posted by: soothsayer at April 30, 2013 10:44 AM (FC8Yl)

3 Someone with knowledge needs to pull Rubio aside. Could he really be this naive? Could he be this trusting?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2013 10:44 AM (XYSwB)

4 Not to worry, these undocumented workers are such Natural Republicans they would never even think of accepting government benefits.

Posted by: Rubio at April 30, 2013 10:44 AM (9/bcB)

5 "Why are we even doing this, anyway?"
Because are as dumb as a bag of hammers?

Posted by: navybrat at April 30, 2013 10:45 AM (2ZO++)

6 Well since we have so much extra money we hardly know what to do with it, putting 10-30 million new citizens or green card holders on the dole would kill two birds with one stone, no?

And the best part is it sets an example.  This will stop illegal immigration for sure!! 

Posted by: Heralder at April 30, 2013 10:45 AM (+xmn4)

7 More Democrat voters the productive classes will be paying for. As if we didn't have enough already.

Posted by: Jack Nine at April 30, 2013 10:45 AM (0h8aq)

8
Howie Carr said the other day that nearly half of all public housing residents in Fall River, MA are illegals.

Nearly. Half.


Posted by: soothsayer at April 30, 2013 10:46 AM (LVtr+)

9 Second look at Charlie Crist?

Posted by: mongo78 at April 30, 2013 10:46 AM (2b46R)

10

There is no GOP.

They are all Democrats.

We are simply DOOMED.


Posted by: Rev dr E buzz at April 30, 2013 10:46 AM (raGXo)

11 Insuring these legal newcomers will add $100 billion over the next decade to the ever rising cost of Obamacare. The health law makes legal immigrants eligible for subsidized private health insurance as soon as they arrive. If obamacare is a trainwreck, amnesty is the engine. The caboose? Us, waving goodbye to America.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2013 10:46 AM (XYSwB)

12 Could he really be this naive?

Could he be this trusting?

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2013 03:44 PM (XYSwB)

I still think it is because this is near and dear to him, and he's just magically not going to notice all the glaring fucking problems with it. 

Posted by: Heralder at April 30, 2013 10:47 AM (+xmn4)

13 They'd have to read the law to enforce it properly and there seems to be many people who dislike that, so they write new ones... which they proceed not to read. You have to wonder what kind of sense these people have.

Posted by: Flyguy at April 30, 2013 10:47 AM (35x9C)

14 Once again, putting the "rube" in Rubio. Actually, he knows exactly what he's doing. He's just lying.

Posted by: Atlas Mugged at April 30, 2013 10:47 AM (uw1NL)

15 Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2013 03:44 PM (XYSwB)

Naive and trusting like a fox.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at April 30, 2013 10:47 AM (uvaJ1)

16 And of course Blackstone can rent section 8 to all these illegals. Fxckin disgusting

Posted by: ginaswo at April 30, 2013 10:48 AM (EJhwX)

17 As lame as Rubio is, Charlie Crist was worse.  


in politics, you can almost always find worse

Posted by: living in the Sequester World at April 30, 2013 10:48 AM (Dll6b)

18 More Democrat voters the productive classes will be paying for. As if we didn't have enough already.

Posted by: Jack Nine


Oh, you all shall be productive on our plantations.

Posted by: Viscount Percy Elba (D-CA) at April 30, 2013 10:49 AM (Yr6sH)

19 Where's the link to the hot Mexican mail order brides site?   Hey, if I'm gonna pay for an illegal alien there should be a reward, no?

Posted by: Fritz at April 30, 2013 10:49 AM (UzPAd)

20 I can see it now. Marco and Christie.

Rubio/Manboobio 2016

Posted by: The Mega Independent at April 30, 2013 10:49 AM (uvaJ1)

21 17As lame as Rubio is, Charlie Crist was worse.


in politics, you can almost always find worse

Posted by: living in the Sequester World at April 30, 2013 03:48 PM (Dll6b)

That's not exactly comforting.  The exit wound this amnesty bullet leaves is going to be so massive, it may well sink us for good.

Posted by: Heralder at April 30, 2013 10:50 AM (+xmn4)

22

But those millions of America-bound Mexicans will be bringing with them their copies of the Federalist Papers when they hop the fence. Serious you guys!

Posted by: Karl Rove at April 30, 2013 10:50 AM (0h8aq)

23 BREAKING: Sen. Marco Rubio duped into believing that Obamacare will not add one dime to the deficit and will, in fact, save us money.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at April 30, 2013 10:50 AM (tWmgi)

24 I am a huge Rush fan, but he's so in the tank for Rubio that he can't see that Rubio is just being an opportunist. The first hint of his opportunism was when he brought up the DREAM Act nonsense during the campaign when Romney had a very different, stricter stance on immigration.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 30, 2013 10:50 AM (6zgse)

25 You guys keep asking how can I be this stupid. How many times do my claims have to be proven as lies, and how many times do I have to switch my political stances before you realize I'm a liar who will switch parties?

Posted by: Marco Rubio at April 30, 2013 10:51 AM (WC7lj)

26 Si si and Rush Limbaugh is fat cocksucking drug addict as well.

Posted by: Attila at April 30, 2013 10:51 AM (Cs2tJ)

27 Half of green card holders have household incomes below 138% of the federal poverty line, and they’re also largely uninsured. But they're our new economic engine!

Posted by: zsasz at April 30, 2013 10:51 AM (MMC8r)

28 I hear Valerie Jarrett has some slum-front property in Chicago for these new "citizens."

Posted by: bicentennialguy at April 30, 2013 10:52 AM (vg8iE)

29
But they're our new economic engine!


Heyyy, what happened to me??

Posted by: green energy at April 30, 2013 10:52 AM (Ba6aP)

30

I have no idea what Rubio is thinking here.  This is a massive failure that he is involved in here.

But let's take this in perspective.  He is still one of the best senators that we have.  This failure is so spectacular only because we expect so much more from him.

Posted by: dan-O at April 30, 2013 10:53 AM (9yNSM)

31 Hey Rush! You reading? Fuck You and fuck your sponsors!!!


Posted by: Attila at April 30, 2013 10:53 AM (Cs2tJ)

32 >>>But those millions of America-bound Mexicans will be bringing with them their copies of the Federalist Papers when they hop the fence.<<<

Rove, old chum, don't forget the leather-bound 1st edition Friedrich von Hayek.

Posted by: Fritz at April 30, 2013 10:53 AM (UzPAd)

33
But they're our new economic engine!


Heyyy, what happened to me??

Posted by: green energy at April 30, 2013 10:53 AM (vanqS)

34 I still think it is because this is near and dear to him, and he's just magically not going to notice all the glaring fucking problems with it.

Posted by: Heralder at April 30, 2013 03:47 PM (+xmn4)

 

 

-- Rubio has stated that these new soon to be citizens will be democrap voters but that we can win them over to our side by explaining the virtues of conservatism

Texas is our last best  hope

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 30, 2013 10:53 AM (R8hU8)

35 ...eyeroll.

Posted by: zsasz at April 30, 2013 10:53 AM (MMC8r)

36 I see someone's an expert on cock sucking drug addicts. Good to know we have one. Will come in handy in this brave new leftist world.

Posted by: JQP at April 30, 2013 10:53 AM (GVL0g)

37 It's as if everything they say to us is a lie. It's as if everything they do is designed to make things worse.

Posted by: Jack Nine at April 30, 2013 10:54 AM (0h8aq)

38 Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to get free shit.

Posted by: Andy at April 30, 2013 10:54 AM (F85AX)

39 Rubio is a lying piece of shit. But we don't want to admit it. The evidence is overwhelming. Rubio is lying to us. Rubio knows he is lying to us. Rubio is not a dumb man. This isn't an accident. It's a purposeful deceit.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 30, 2013 10:54 AM (ZPrif)

40 A part of the immigration bill will just mail absentee voter ballots to all citizens of Iran and Mexico....because why not?

Posted by: Marco Rubio at April 30, 2013 10:55 AM (WC7lj)

41

This isn't an accident.
It's a purposeful deceit

 

You are correct sir!

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 30, 2013 10:55 AM (R8hU8)

42
...eyeroll.

I think there's a modicum for that.

Posted by: soothsayer is strictly non dickly at April 30, 2013 10:55 AM (Y4TdB)

43 Everything government does is designed to make us all worse off.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 30, 2013 10:56 AM (P7hip)

44 So, to sum up, fuck Rubio.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 30, 2013 10:56 AM (ZPrif)

45 Rubio seems to be all-in on this, no matter what the consequences, even if he has to lie.  Shame.

Posted by: DangerGirl @deadlyestrogen at April 30, 2013 10:56 AM (GrtrJ)

46 Suckers of cock.

Posted by: toby928 at April 30, 2013 10:56 AM (evdj2)

47 We haven't even been able to get the light bulb ban reversed. We are fucked.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at April 30, 2013 10:56 AM (l3vZN)

48 Sebilious testifying on cspan. A congressman asks her what she thinks about the fact that the health care law pushes people into part time work, and without insurance. She laughs (of course) and says well we hope that doesn't happen.

Posted by: Up With People! at April 30, 2013 10:57 AM (FmFB3)

49 We don't enforce existing laws THEREFORE we need more, longer, laws.

Posted by: Comrade Arthur at April 30, 2013 10:57 AM (vHxiM)

50 Rubio is acting the way a senator from purple Florida with a large and growing left-wing hispanic population who wants to be reelected for decades to come would be expected to act.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 30, 2013 10:57 AM (ZPrif)

51 RE: Public charges

I remember reading a week or so back that that G-of-8 bill specifically exempts illegals on the 'path' from the "no public charge" requirement that normal immigrants have to clear.

Posted by: Serious Cat at April 30, 2013 10:58 AM (UypUQ)

52 Rick Perry needs to smack him around a bit. They both come from huge alien influx states.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2013 10:58 AM (XYSwB)

53 More from Besty McCaughey's article:


So is Senator Rubio’s claim that illegal immigrants granted provisional status will “have to be able to support themselves, so they’ll never become a public charge.” The Senate bill does say that, citing the never-enforced section 212(a)(4). But the bill also waives that requirement for anyone who is unemployed, in job training, getting a high school or GED diploma, taking care of a child, younger than 21 or older than 60, or attending college (pp. 99-102). That covers everyone. To stay in this country as a provisional and qualify for a green card in ten years, you need to be working except if you’re not (Sec. 245C(b).



WTFUCKITYFUCK!?

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 30, 2013 10:58 AM (X6akg)

54 Heritage revealed that last week when the bill was first released.  This POS has been one big lie from the start.


There are three things a politician can do to get on my shit list and this is one of them. Gun Control and taxes are the other things.

Posted by: Vic at April 30, 2013 10:58 AM (53z96)

55 " Everything government does is designed to make us all worse off."

Sure seems that way lately. I am so old I can recall a time when citizenship was a good thing, that you got some benefit from it. Now you get enslaved.

Posted by: navybrat at April 30, 2013 10:58 AM (2ZO++)

56 Obamacare won't add one dime to the deficit and will actually save us money.
If you like your doctor, you can keep him.
This notion of 'Death Panels' is ridiculous.
We're committing mass suicide, because climate change.
 Recovery Summer, you guys.
The rich don't pay their fair share.
Pro-lifers created the conditions that allow the Gosnells of the world to happen.

Why not throw this one on the pile?

On the reals, this isn't amnesty and even if it was, they wouldn't qualify for welfare.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at April 30, 2013 10:58 AM (tWmgi)

57 Next you'll be telling me that those nice Chechen boys are Islamic jihadist terrorists.

Posted by: Maynard G. Krebs at April 30, 2013 10:58 AM (XUKZU)

58 Looks like Rubio will have to run for Pres as a Dem now.

Posted by: SFGoth at April 30, 2013 10:58 AM (dZ756)

59

“The Gang of Eight made a promise that illegal immigrants will not be able to access public benefits,”

-

 

 However, the moment they are not illegal.........

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2013 10:58 AM (aq5Dc)

60

<i>@37 - Andy: "Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to get free shit."</i>

 

I wish there was a place that had an iconic statue that said something like, "Give us your robbed, your vilified, your productive classes yearning to keep what they earn." I would every much like to escape to such a place.

Posted by: Jack Nine at April 30, 2013 10:58 AM (0h8aq)

61 Democrat "Moderate" politicians lie to their voters and base and then vote as liberals....

Republican "Moderate" politicians lie to their voters and base and vote as liberals....

notice a pattern?

Breaking news Rubio just another McCain wing asshole.

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 30, 2013 10:59 AM (LRFds)

62 They did this by inserting an out in the bill hoping nobody would notice it.

Posted by: Vic at April 30, 2013 10:59 AM (53z96)

63

We're like the guy in college we all knew who just kept putting pizzas and beer and the spring break trip to Vegas on the credit card and getting cash advances and blowing his student loan money on a car lease and a cool apartment with a pool and a membership at the gym and... well, weed and stuff... and then was surprised to find out that he was 25 and didn't really own anything and hadn't ever really done anything but somehow needed to file Chapter 7.

 

America:  A Country of Losers Working Night Shift at Kinko's... If We're Lucky!

Posted by: The Regular Guy at April 30, 2013 10:59 AM (qHCyt)

64

Rubio better bolt from this piece of shit or I am going to have to look for a new dance partner for Tom Cotton.

 

For fuck's sake.  It's bad enough that he is continuing as front man.  Not really showing a lot of judgment.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 30, 2013 10:59 AM (tVTLU)

65 If we don't pass immigration reform we fun the risk of only getting 30 % of the Hispanic vote as opposed to the 40 % we'll get after its passage. It's simple math, idiots.
#stopthehate

Posted by: Marco Rubio at April 30, 2013 11:00 AM (3+QKS)

66 Name the last thing that Congress tried to "fix" that did end up a total FUBAR, cost at least five times as much as originally thought, or both. I'll wait.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 30, 2013 11:00 AM (+iqDb)

67 The burnining it accelerates.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at April 30, 2013 11:00 AM (wrS2o)

68 I'm SHOCKED! See? this is my shocked face... (.),(.) O

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2013 11:01 AM (piMMO)

69

Ha!  Remember when Romney didn't pick Rubio for VP?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2013 11:01 AM (aq5Dc)

70 So what unites the Republican base now? What do we agree on? We got pro-choice Repubs, anti-gun Repubs, pro-amnesty Repubs, pro-welfare Repubs, pro-tax Repubs, pro-Green Repubs, pro-Obama Repubs. Is there anything all or even most Repubs support? Bombing Syria perhaps? Except for Rand Paul, I guess.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 30, 2013 11:01 AM (ZPrif)

71

47Sebilious testifying on cspan. A congressman asks her what she thinks about the fact that the health care law pushes people into part time work, and without insurance. She laughs (of course) and says well we hope that doesn't happen. 

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Our plan is to hope that reality doesn't happen. Forward!

Posted by: Sebilious at April 30, 2013 11:02 AM (SO2Q8)

72 Seems like it would be pretty easy for me to invent a dozen illegals, with fake records showing them as my cash employees (since hirers get immunity under the proposed law). Then my imaginary hombres get amnestied, and will be eligible for all sorts of welfare. Which goes into my pocket. Ca-Ching!

Posted by: wooga at April 30, 2013 11:02 AM (viC3z)

73 No entiendo, Marco. No entiendo.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2013 11:02 AM (XYSwB)

74 Sorry for the OT, but : A Navy corpsman who repeatedly braved enemy small-arms fire to treat wounded Marines and an Afghan police officer will be honored with a Silver Star on Friday in a ceremony at Camp Pendleton, Calif. Hospital Corpsman 1st Class (FMF) Benny Flores was riding in I Marine Expeditionary Force (Forward) convoy in Nimruz province’s Zaranj district on April 28, 2012, when an improvised explosive device detonated near his vehicle. Flores, of Guam, suffered shrapnel wounds in the blast but immediately began assisting wounded Marines, according to his award citation. He helped one wounded Marine find cover, then re-entered the fray three times: Once treating a wounded Afghan police officer, again to apply a tourniquet to a wounded Marine who was carried to safety, and a third time to treat another wounded Marine — all before allowing anyone to care for his wounds. Flores enlisted in July 2001. He’s served with I MEF since April 2011, according to Navy personnel records. “What we do every day, as a corpsman, means something,” Flores said in a May 2012 Defense Department news report about the incident. “I did what I had to do to take care of the injured.”

Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 30, 2013 11:02 AM (9Bj8R)

75 >>>Finally we'd have something to do with all those extra hundreds of billions of dollars weighing down our pockets. Fucking Rubio is a clown after this.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 30, 2013 11:02 AM (q177U)

76

I also believe that this bill contains no language about punishing employers that hire illeagals.

 

Of course why would they? The government is all but begging them to come. These gang of 8 assholes will not have to deal with the increased crime, further job depleation, increasing taxes, the nightmare of Obamacare, more gang warfare, more drugs coming over the border, etc.

 

Posted by: Cheri at April 30, 2013 11:02 AM (G+Wff)

77 >>Is there anything all or even most Repubs support?


Capitulation.

Posted by: Dr Spank at April 30, 2013 11:02 AM (3+QKS)

78 -

24 I am a huge Rush fan, but he's so in the tank for Rubio that he can't see that Rubio is just being an opportunist.

--------------------------------

My job has kept me from listening to Rush for a while.  Is he really still high on Rubio after all this?  Is Rush pushing for this immigration feces-fajita?

Posted by: irright at April 30, 2013 11:02 AM (pMGkg)

79 Posted by: The Regular Guy at April 30, 2013 03:59 PM (qHCyt)

I like your analogy. We're the broke dudes at the bar buying a round for everyone so the underage kids who aren't supposed to be there will think we're cool and like us more.

Awesome plan.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at April 30, 2013 11:02 AM (tWmgi)

80 You have to wonder what kind of sense these people have. I'll take "None" for $400.00 Alex.

Posted by: rickb223 at April 30, 2013 11:03 AM (GFM2b)

81 Half of green card holders have household incomes below 138% of the federal poverty line, and they’re also largely uninsured. But they're our new economic engine! Posted by: zsasz at April 30, 2013 03:51 PM (MMC8r) But yeah, let's make it difficult for highly educated immigrants like my brother and I who make way above the poverty line, and who have never even considered being on the dole for a millisecond and who pay a nice amount in taxes - let's make it a huge pain in the butt to get green cards. And in the meantime import more govt. dependents.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 30, 2013 11:03 AM (6zgse)

82 Wow. Not sure if that cargo plane or Rubio is the bigger crash and burn.

Posted by: dogfish at April 30, 2013 11:03 AM (nsOJa)

83 What is it that these dem slimeballs have on the republicans?  They must have some photos, video tapes, and eye witnesses to something pretty bad.

Posted by: Cheri at April 30, 2013 11:03 AM (G+Wff)

84 >>>"Insuring these legal newcomers will add $100 billion over the next decade to the ever rising cost of Obamacare" HAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I think the math is going to a little more painful then that.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at April 30, 2013 11:03 AM (q177U)

85 The Chris Matthews Show - cancelled

Balls - dipped.

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2013 11:04 AM (R18D0)

86 So what you are saying is that Coke was right, we are buying the world a coke? http://tinyurl.com/burtvjc

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 30, 2013 11:04 AM (wR+pz)

87 I am a huge Rush fan, but he's so in the tank for Rubio that he can't see that Rubio is just being an opportunist *** Get it right. It's opportunistic little shit.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2013 11:04 AM (piMMO)

88

If stupid is the religion of the left, why is stupid the tactics of the right?

 

I don't know but it does prove that there is plenty of stupid to go around.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2013 11:05 AM (XUKZU)

89 Why are we even doing this, anyway?
Posted by: soothsayer
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Because the MSM controls the narrative, and their narrative is that there *must* be a 'path to citizenship', because Dem voters.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2013 11:05 AM (aDwsi)

90 Rather than import high-earners with skill, we need masses of the uneducated. Tens of millions of dirt poor immigrants with no education and no skills -- that's the key. It's all about birthrates. That's why we need to annex Somalia. Haiti and Guatemala have the highest birthrates in the Americas. They are such young countries and so vibrant. America needs some of that Haitian and Guatemalan energy to be successful!

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 30, 2013 11:05 AM (ZPrif)

91

The Chris Matthews Show - cancelled

 

*****

 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2013 11:05 AM (XUKZU)

92 Don't forget what happened last time.  The existing invaders will summon their families still residing outside the US and will also get a free ride.  30 million is a conservative estimate.  I'm going to at least double that.

Hell if we want all these people fucking invade their countries and take over so that we at least get the land mass and resources of the damn place.

Posted by: dogfish at April 30, 2013 11:05 AM (nsOJa)

93 84 The Chris Matthews Show - cancelled Balls - dipped. Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2013 04:04 PM (R18D0) ************** Oh really? My gawd their dedication to that spitter--I thought it was till death.

Posted by: tasker at April 30, 2013 11:05 AM (r2PLg)

94 Heritage's take on the Gang of 8 POS

http://is.gd/6ycjBC


Posted by: Vic at April 30, 2013 11:06 AM (53z96)

95 I was bottled fed so reading comprehension is lacking. Where is all the Rush hating coming from? I didn't sense that Rush was on board with Rubio re amnesty.

Posted by: olddog in mo at April 30, 2013 11:06 AM (JtFdg)

96 The Chris Matthews Show - cancelled Balls - dipped. Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2013 04:04 PM (R18D0) just his sunday show on nbc he extended his contract w/ms-sh*t

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2013 11:06 AM (XYSwB)

97 84 The Chris Matthews Show - cancelled

Balls - dipped.
Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2013 04:04 PM (R18D0)




Just his Sunday show, right?

Posted by: Tami[/i][/b][/u][/s] at April 30, 2013 11:06 AM (X6akg)

98 Question for the crowd--is the Senate a benefit or detriment to the American commonweal? I'm thinking the second over the first. Perhaps we need something new.

Posted by: None at April 30, 2013 11:06 AM (KeICE)

99 Is Rush pushing for this immigration feces-fajita? Posted by: irright at April 30, 2013 04:02 PM (pMGkg) No, he's always been against the POS bill and is very vocal about how it's a death sentence for the GOP. But he (and Mark Levin, btw) has kept on holding on to his pristine image of an earnest conservative Marco Rubio. Again, he has never, ever been for the bill, even when Rubio was sounding more reasonable before the contents of the bill started becoming known.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 30, 2013 11:06 AM (6zgse)

100
Of course they'll get it.

And remember a $100 billion calculated increase is usually at a minimum 3 times more.

BTW, there just aren't going to be enough doctors. Especially since there will be price controls.  We're boned.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 30, 2013 11:07 AM (jKWYf)

101 (.),(.)
      O

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2013 04:01 PM (piMMO)

Looks like Sandra Fluke standing naked in the mirror.

Posted by: Heralder at April 30, 2013 11:07 AM (+xmn4)

102

!Gracias!

[Enviado Desde Mi Telefono del Marco]

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at April 30, 2013 11:07 AM (kdS6q)

103

dumb as a bag of hammers

 

***

 

I'm going to vote bag of hammers in 2016.  I men, it couldn't be any worse.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2013 11:07 AM (XUKZU)

104

But they're our new economic engine!
Posted by: zsasz at April 30, 2013 03:51 PM (MMC8r)

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Why do i imagine this engine as a low rider with carpet on the dashboard and a suspension that goes airborne?

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at April 30, 2013 11:07 AM (SO2Q8)

105 @90 Prick teasers, it's just his Sunday show, he re upped with MSDNC.

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo intellectal at April 30, 2013 11:07 AM (wR+pz)

106 Why are we favoring the illegal Mexicans and Central Americans? There are much poorer and more oppressed people throughout the world. The real answer is that passing this piece of shite is just the easy way out, since no one wants to be a meany and enforce our laws. The dems and Rubio want to feel good about themselves by giving away our children's future. The cost is too damn high. Someone must step up and be the adult and hard choices. There are somethings we just can't afford. If America wants to continue to be a beacon for freedom loving immigrants around the world, this bill must not pass.

Posted by: LASue at April 30, 2013 11:07 AM (gjIQF)

107 Matthews continues on Hardball, with a new contract.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2013 11:07 AM (aDwsi)

108 We haven't even been able to get the light bulb ban reversed. We are fucked. When GE buys a politician, he stays bought.

Posted by: zsasz at April 30, 2013 11:07 AM (MMC8r)

109

Not that anyone wants to hear it, but we're paying for all these welfare services now for the illegals.  Food stamps, medicaid, housing assistance, head start, no one asks for proof of citizenship before granting it.

 

If there was only some way of identifying who isn't a citizen and where they came from....

 

Why, if there were, perhaps some young lawmaker of Hispanic origin could write a rider onto a law that would charge back the country of origin of these people for the expense incurred.

 

The country that these folks came from wouldn't have anything to say because this is the only country their government can route their money through - so we can just take it if they disagree.  They would be welcome to charge the U.S. for any welfare provided U.S. citizens in their country.

 

Of course, that would make it less appealing for other countries to encourage poor people to immigrate to the U.S., but there has got to be some downside somewhere.

 

No, on second thought, let's leave things the way they are.  It's so much better this way.

Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2013 11:08 AM (u2a4R)

110 HardBalled is cancelled?

They have to making him an anchor then?

Posted by: sven10077@sven10077 at April 30, 2013 11:08 AM (LRFds)

111 Both Rush and Levin tried to talk some sense into Rubio. They both had him on their talkshows, and tried to explain some things... Rubio sounded exasperated, and on edge, and well he should be. Levin even came back with rebuttals -- but he was being kind, too, because Mark really likes Rubio too.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2013 11:08 AM (XYSwB)

112 Looks like Sandra Fluke standing naked in the mirror. *** Eeew

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2013 11:08 AM (piMMO)

113 96 84 The Chris Matthews Show - cancelled Balls - dipped. Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2013 04:04 PM (R18D0) Just his Sunday show, right? Posted by: Tami at April 30, 2013 04:06 PM (X6akg) *********** DAMN IT! Nooooooooo! My Snoopy Dance just got interrupted.

Posted by: tasker at April 30, 2013 11:08 AM (r2PLg)

114 I didn't sense that Rush was on board with Rubio re amnesty. Posted by: olddog in mo at April 30, 2013 04:06 PM (JtFdg) He's not and has never been. He just still really likes Rubio. I'm not sure where Attila's anti-Rush vitriol is coming from.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 30, 2013 11:09 AM (6zgse)

115 Bombing Syria perhaps? Except for Rand Paul, I guess.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 30, 2013 04:01 PM (ZPrif)

Syria can feel free to fall down the fucking stairs. No place in the middle east is literally not worth the cost of the powder to blow them to hell.

Posted by: Heralder at April 30, 2013 11:09 AM (+xmn4)

116 Rush likes Rubio and has liked for a long time. He's a got a man-crush on Rubio and can't see what's in front of his eyes. Best interpretation of Rubio is he's stupid on the details, getting rolled by the Dems, and is blinded by his Cuban heritage into believing Mexicans are "natural" conservatives. But the selling point on Rubio has always been he's a wonk who is a master of policy details. So both can't be true.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 30, 2013 11:09 AM (ZPrif)

117 -
he has never, ever been for the bill, even when Rubio was sounding more reasonable before the contents of the bill started becoming known. Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 30, 2013 04:06 PM
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I would think Rubio's untruths on the matter would open his eyes.

Posted by: irright at April 30, 2013 11:09 AM (pMGkg)

118 106 Matthews continues on Hardball, with a new contract. Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2013 04:07 PM (aDwsi) ********* Shit. Now my only hope is the latent malaria...

Posted by: tasker at April 30, 2013 11:10 AM (r2PLg)

119 Rubio better bolt from this piece of shit or I am going to have to look for a new dance partner for Tom Cotton.

For fuck's sake. It's bad enough that he is continuing as front man. Not really showing a lot of judgment.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 30, 2013 03:59 PM (tVTLU)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

I think putting  Rubio as the front man on this abortion has been the main goal of  Schumer, McCain  and the rest of the "gang".  It's the best way to destroy a so-called Tea Party congressman.

 

And much of the blame goes to Rubio.  He was a fool to trust these people.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2013 11:10 AM (uISkR)

120 Looks like Rubio will have to run for Pres as a Dem now.

There's no path to there from here, but obviously he's on their side, so I think what he'll do is run as a Republican and arrange with the Dems to theatrically defect from the GOP during a primary he's not losing. "The party's so racist, I can't possibly accept..."

That'll set up his family for a few generations. And probably start a race war. But hey.

Posted by: oblig. at April 30, 2013 11:10 AM (cePv8)

121 They can't cut Matthews. He's the lead geek in the freak show. He'll piss himself, eat bugs, and wipe himself with poo for a fifth of rotgut. That keeps the rubes coming in for a looky-loo.

Posted by: zsasz at April 30, 2013 11:10 AM (MMC8r)

122 Time for another Jessica Nigri palette cleansing I think.
http://tinyurl.com/c7zqqoe

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2013 11:10 AM (1zr4/)

123 I'm not sure where Attila's anti-Rush vitriol is coming from. Syphilis?

Posted by: zsasz at April 30, 2013 11:11 AM (MMC8r)

124 Matthews continues on Hardball, with a new contract.
Posted by: Mike Hammer

True,  but they took him out of the area where the spotlight was the brightest.  Not that NBC gets that many more viewers - but still,  his "I will continue to concentrate on... " read like a man typing with tears in his eyes.  Sweet, delicious tears of defeat. *lick*

Posted by: Dang at April 30, 2013 11:11 AM (R18D0)

125 They can't cut Matthews. He's the lead geek in the freak show. He'll piss himself, eat bugs, and wipe himself with poo for a fifth of rotgut. That keeps the rubes coming in for a looky-loo. Posted by: zsasz at April 30, 2013 04:10 PM (MMC8r) Nicely put.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2013 11:11 AM (XYSwB)

126 @98 chique. Thanks for clarifying 'cause you seemed to have hit a nerve with Atilla.

Posted by: olddog in mo at April 30, 2013 11:11 AM (JtFdg)

127 Why the light bulb ban is working perfectly. Home Depot has those exciting new LED bulbs which only cost 20x what an incandescent bulb costs. Think of all the money you'll be saving with light bulbs that cost 20x more.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 30, 2013 11:11 AM (ZPrif)

128 -
115 Rush likes Rubio and has liked for a long time. He's a got a man-crush on Rubio and can't see what's in front of his eyes.
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Rush needs to dump that loser and chase the Cruz-er.

Posted by: irright at April 30, 2013 11:11 AM (pMGkg)

129 I was going to write in before jwest demonstrates what a pathetic tool he is but I see that I am too late.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2013 11:12 AM (+yfis)

130 It'[s nic3e to remember that one justification for amnesty is that we have to embiggen the workforce to kepp social security solvent.  I don't think 30 million new welfare leeches is going to embiggen the workforce.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2013 11:12 AM (XUKZU)

131 Guest on Hannity claims that Sandra Fluke showed up at Press Dinner, was refused entrance on account of no invite. Per the report, Fluke said., "My Publicist was supposed to arrange for an invitation."  Get that?... her publicist. How unfortunate that she has to spend her money on such things rather than birth control.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2013 11:12 AM (aDwsi)

132 54 ---"I am so old I can recall a time when citizenship was a good thing, that you got some benefit from it. Now you get enslaved." Posted by: navybrat at April 30, 2013 03:58 PM (2ZO++) ----------------------- When Rome was at her height, citizenship was highly prized. By the time the rot had fully set in, people had to be dragged screaming and kicking to accept it. All it meant was taxes and duties. California is now making illegals eligible to serve on juries. We all know they already vote, as needed. Foreigners, even terrorists, have as many rights as citizens. Outside of having to pay US taxes no matter where in the world I work and reside, what benefit is citizenship anymore?

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 30, 2013 11:12 AM (C8mVl)

133 Posted by: Nevergiveup at April 30, 2013 04:02 PM (9Bj8R) See this Obama! Now that is a Hero and Moooochell, that is having someone's back.

Posted by: Hanoverfist at April 30, 2013 11:12 AM (HiKk0)

134

BTW   -  that thing I just did in your mouth.

fiction.

Posted by: Roy at April 30, 2013 11:12 AM (VndSC)

135 But the real question is "is it Rubio's turn now"?

Posted by: Vic at April 30, 2013 11:12 AM (53z96)

136

Why the light bulb ban is working perfectly.
Home Depot has those exciting new LED bulbs which only cost 20x what an incandescent bulb costs.

Think of all the money you'll be saving with light bulbs that cost 20x more.

 

***

 

But you'll make up for it in volume.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2013 11:13 AM (XUKZU)

137 It's a sad state of affairs when the one person who represents my beliefs the best, the one candidate I could really get behind, is Greg Gutfeld. Yeah, the FOX funnyman. This country sucks anymore.

Posted by: BlueStateRebel at April 30, 2013 11:13 AM (7ObY1)

138 Now you get enslaved. Posted by: navybrat at April 30, 2013 03:58 PM (2ZO++) Someone's catching on I see... ;-)

Posted by: JQP at April 30, 2013 11:13 AM (GVL0g)

139 Who else thinks this will all culminate in Christie, Rubio, and Obama getting together to throw a public pity party and lament how 'those wingers just don't understand what we're trying to accomplish here'.

Rubio: Man, I know how the president feels now. 'Progress' isn't easy and your critics gin up this 'fun-house mirror image' of you. It's taken a while to acknowledge that the Right really has become the haven of hatred and bigotry in our great land.

Christie: Inorite? All I did was call Obama's nothing-response 'Awesome Work' and jumped headlong into all kinds of hacktastic 'bipartisan jolly cooperation' photo ops with him on the precipice of an election and now those intolerant wingers hate me!

Obama: You now know how I have suffered the slings and arrows of Right-Wing Extremism, my children. Heavy is my perfectly reasonable head, that wears my fantastically bejeweled crown...

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at April 30, 2013 11:13 AM (tWmgi)

140

I was bottled fed so reading comprehension is lacking. Where is all the Rush hating coming from? I didn't sense that Rush was on board with Rubio re amnesty.

 

Old dog, there are a lot of commenter's on here that don't like Rush, no matter what he says

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at April 30, 2013 11:13 AM (R8hU8)

141 I want my benefits.

Posted by: Low Information Voter at April 30, 2013 11:13 AM (vbh31)

142 All your undocumented immigrants are belong to us.

Posted by: Democrats at April 30, 2013 11:13 AM (xmcEQ)

143 Hey FSA - if you vote for people that vote for this bullshit - IT'S LESS FREE SHIT FOR YOU!!! I can't believe "the right" can't figure out a way to shatter the progressive left's coalition of forces that usually hate each other.

Posted by: [/i]akula51 at April 30, 2013 11:13 AM (Vgn84)

144 @ AnnaP:

Had a question for you in the previous thread - how did Miles Browning almost cost us Midway?

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 30, 2013 11:14 AM (sGtp+)

145 "Though Section 212(a)(4) of the U.S. Code says no immigrant who’s at risk of becoming a 'public charge' can get a green card, it is never enforced."

Well, it's even worse than that, actually.

Under "family reunification", elderly relatives of citizens are allowed to become citizens as well.

The family sponsoring the elderly relative are specifically required by the process to sign a pledge that they will fund the living expenses of relative in question, and not allow the relative to become a "public charge".

This is routinely and massively ignored. The elders in question sign up for SSI and Medicare right away as soon as they arrive. Even though, in many cases, the families in question have substantial financial means.

In a sane world, we would have a Republican Party who had the brains to grab this as an absolutely classic hot-button issue and run with it. Saying to citizens who paid into the system that their benefits are being eroded in order to hand out benefits to immigrants who never did pay into the system. Immigrants who are in fact dishonestly gaming the system.

Instead, the GOP says not one word about issues like this, and instead ends up running on key issues such as magic rape sperm detectors. Joy.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 30, 2013 11:14 AM (gqT4g)

146 When is Gabe going to check in and tell us we're the stoopit for not supporting what will be a great tactical victory as its certain to take illegal immigration off the table for 2016? Just like supporting queer marriage will be . . . .

Posted by: RoyalOil at April 30, 2013 11:14 AM (VjL9S)

147

California is now making illegals eligible to serve on juries. 

 

***

 

It's only fair.  They commit most of the crimes.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2013 11:14 AM (XUKZU)

148 wow. what a total mirage --- Rubio. My only explanation is that I've come to believe that he's actually stupid. Not a liar, just a dumbass.

Posted by: L, elle at April 30, 2013 11:14 AM (0PiQ4)

149 126 Why the light bulb ban is working perfectly.
Home Depot has those exciting new LED bulbs which only cost 20x what an incandescent bulb costs.

Think of all the money you'll be saving with light bulbs that cost 20x more.
----------------

Our proto-Progressive city council insisted on replacing all street lamps with LED versions. They are blindingly bright. I keep thinking that a car is parked on the street with its headlights on.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2013 11:14 AM (aDwsi)

150 Demographics of Florida are changing. Rubio got into office with the old, white conservative vote. Rubio plans to stay in office with the young, hispanic left-wing vote. It's not any more complicated than that. Rubio is a pol who wants to be re-elected. He's decided, probably correctly, that if he opposes amnesty he'll lose to a pro-amnesty Democrat in the next election. Rubio is a Senator who wants to stay a Senator.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 30, 2013 11:14 AM (ZPrif)

151 Fair share, bitches.

Posted by: Sponge at April 30, 2013 11:15 AM (xmcEQ)

152 stupid conservatives, we'll just print more money. Anyway, that 747 crash video is horrifying.

Posted by: joeindc44 says President Dwayne Elizondo Mountain Dew Herbert Camacho 2016 at April 30, 2013 11:15 AM (QxSug)

153


“NBC kills Chris Matthews Sunday show”

Charlie Brown and the football Xs 2:

1) Chris Matthews is still with us

2) They've simply extended his contract f
or Hardball

Posted by: Ed Gibbon at April 30, 2013 11:15 AM (4eNxd)

154 there are a lot of commenter's on here that don't like Rush, no matter what he says

I haven't seen much evidence of that here at all.

Posted by: The Third Horesman Of The Apocalypse at April 30, 2013 11:15 AM (vbh31)

155 very sorry for that mess

Posted by: Ed Gibbon at April 30, 2013 11:16 AM (4eNxd)

156

126
Why the light bulb ban is working perfectly.

Home Depot has those exciting new LED bulbs which only cost 20x what an incandescent bulb costs.



Think of all the money you'll be saving with light bulbs that cost 20x more.
----------------

 

It's like an ever-lasting gob-stopper.   But,  once we all have one, the   manufacturer  goes belly up.

Posted by: Roy at April 30, 2013 11:16 AM (VndSC)

157 If the NRC puts Gutfeld in charge, I will send them money.

Posted by: zsasz at April 30, 2013 11:16 AM (MMC8r)

158 Barrel?

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2013 11:16 AM (aDwsi)

159 This is routinely and massively ignored. The elders in question sign up for SSI and Medicare right away as soon as they arrive.

http://www.welcometousa.gov/Government_benefits/

Posted by: HeideRadieschen at April 30, 2013 11:16 AM (/kI1Q)

160 Conservative Monster.

When Spurance decided to launch all the planes off Enterprise and Hornet to hit the Japanese.  Miles Browning, as he was supposed to do, wanted him to wait a little longer so the range would be closer since the TBDs only had a range of about 100 miles.  Spruance over rode Browning and launched the planes.  Browning then stormed off and sulked until others on the staff enticed him out. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2013 11:16 AM (1zr4/)

161 -
"replacing all street lamps with LED versions. They are blindingly bright."

------------------

A lot of led lights are that way, intensly bright when you look AT them, not so great when you need to see WITH them.

Posted by: irright at April 30, 2013 11:17 AM (8GKDa)

162

I deliver food through an ecumenical Christian charity in Northern Virginia. My estimate of the immigration status of our Latino recipients: 75-90% are illegals. These folks often receive food stamps and many, many other benefits too.

As to Rubio, I'd need mouthwash after expressing my opinion.

Posted by: LadyS at April 30, 2013 11:17 AM (Dx1+L)

163

Soona:

 

That might be so devious that you are probably fucking right...

 

Jwest:

 

Some type of verification and guest worker, I think that will fly.  WITH border enforcement for fuck's sake.  I mean, why the fuck else are we doing it.  We are just "verifying" the flood of illegals that come in every 10 fucking years even though our OWN CITIZENS can't find fucking jobs???   Fucking awesome.

 

Honestly.  There's no fucking debate anymore.  We would pick up more hispanic support by drawing a hardline against amnesty.  44% of hispanics are against amnesty so what the fuck are we doing???

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 30, 2013 11:17 AM (tVTLU)

164 Rubio is a Senator who wants to stay a Senator. We've got way too many of those.

Posted by: zsasz at April 30, 2013 11:17 AM (MMC8r)

165 My only explanation is that I've come to believe that he's actually stupid. Not a liar, just a dumbass. Posted by: L, elle at April 30, 2013 04:14 PM (0PiQ4) Sorry to burst your bubble, but I think if you listen to you listen to his most recent interviews, e.g., with Rush and Levin, you would come to the other conclusion.

Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 30, 2013 11:17 AM (6zgse)

166 Schumer is using Rubio as a two peso whore or John McCain (but I repeat myself.)

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2013 11:17 AM (XUKZU)

167 Most people here like Rush. Rush is, by far, the best talker on the radio and has been for decades.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 30, 2013 11:17 AM (ZPrif)

168 LadyS, apologies, I went for you...

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 30, 2013 11:18 AM (tVTLU)

169

166 Most people here like Rush.

 

I liked Permanent Waves, myself.

Posted by: Roy at April 30, 2013 11:18 AM (VndSC)

170 Why, if there were, perhaps some young lawmaker of Hispanic origin could write a rider onto a law that would charge back the country of origin of these people for the expense incurred.

Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2013 04:08 PM (u2a4R)

I've always been a fan of this idea.  Also, the upkeep of all their illegals in prison we're paying for.  Maybe we could also allow for lawsuits, like when an illegal plows his car into the side of a bus.

Posted by: Heralder at April 30, 2013 11:18 AM (+xmn4)

171 Rubio is a Senator who wants to stay a Senator. ** Perhaps. Or, just maybe, he's way the hell in over his head...looks good...sounds good sometimes...but is either a total f'up or an opportunistic little shit. This isn't his first screw up.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2013 11:18 AM (piMMO)

172 I was listening to rush today. He was talking about the great tactician that Rubio is knowing the whole time the bill would never pass. A little later he called him Naive and would start to understand when the Dem Machine turns on him because that hasn't happened yet. The whole Time he called him a great conservative. I like Rush, always have but WTF.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at April 30, 2013 11:19 AM (XIxXP)

173 You can not copy and paste from Word.  Must go through notepad.

Posted by: Vic at April 30, 2013 11:19 AM (53z96)

174

"Some type of verification and guest worker, I think that will fly. WITH border enforcement for fuck's sake."

 

What is Rubio offering more than that?

Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2013 11:19 AM (u2a4R)

175 Prescient11 -- you still shilling for Rubio/Cotton 2016? What say you?

Posted by: L, elle at April 30, 2013 11:19 AM (0PiQ4)

176 "Home Depot has those exciting new LED bulbs which only cost 20x what an incandescent bulb costs."

The claim is that the LED bulb will have an incredibly long lifespan.

Scope out the packaging and read the fine print. I did. Three year warranty. That should tell you all you need to know.

And let's remember who it was that brought us the ban on incandescent bulbs: George W. Bush, who signed this travesty into law.

Adding yet another entry in the file of how the worthless sacks of shit in the Bush family inherited and then squandered the magnificent Reagan legacy. Bushes delenda est.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 30, 2013 11:19 AM (gqT4g)

177 I haven't seen much evidence of that here at all. *** Neither have I. Now Beck....

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2013 11:19 AM (piMMO)

178

Everyone of us could draft a fair immigration reform bill on less than three pages.

 

I'm sure many could do it on one page.

Posted by: polynikes at April 30, 2013 11:20 AM (m2CN7)

179 Tough crowd, no one reacting to the Jessica Nigri photo.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2013 11:20 AM (1zr4/)

180 The accident in our mouths?  NOT fiction.

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 30, 2013 11:20 AM (/gHaE)

181 Why are Repubs willing to work with the Schumer Schmuck? He's hard-core left-wing. The Democrats made sure to destroy any Democrat who considered working alongside, say, Santorum. Yet we cuddle up to the most virulent left-wing Dems. Schumer call us racist, right-wing nazis all the time. And the Rubio holds a press conference with him. Dems are better at politics. Destroy your enemies. Demonize, demonize, demonize. It works.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 30, 2013 11:20 AM (ZPrif)

182 wow. what a total mirage --- Rubio. My only explanation is that I've come to believe that he's actually stupid. Not a liar, just a dumbass.

Posted by: L, elle at April 30, 2013 04:14 PM (0PiQ4)

 

 

---------------------------------------------

 

 

The only thing I'm glad about this whole shit sandwich is that we're finding out about Rubio now instead of   2016.

Posted by: Soona at April 30, 2013 11:20 AM (uISkR)

183 Sign of Judgement http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdV_npLCNf0 ~Marianne Faithful

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2013 11:21 AM (XYSwB)

184

Tough crowd, no one reacting to the Jessica Nigri photo.

***

 

I had a party in my pants.

Posted by: WalrusRex at April 30, 2013 11:21 AM (XUKZU)

185 Adding yet another entry in the file of how the worthless sacks of shit in the Bush family inherited and then squandered the magnificent Reagan legacy. Bushes delenda est.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 30, 2013 04:19 PM (gqT4g)

 

You mean the Reagan legacy that signed the Amnesty bill?  That one?

Posted by: polynikes at April 30, 2013 11:21 AM (m2CN7)

186 I bought a $10 LED bulb. Didn't like the light color. But now my attic has a bulb that is supposed to last for 20 years.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 30, 2013 11:21 AM (ZPrif)

187 Scope out the packaging and read the fine print. I did. Three year warranty. That should tell you all you need to know. Not in my experience.

Posted by: zsasz at April 30, 2013 11:22 AM (MMC8r)

188

I'd like to recommend   that we stop calling these people "illegal immigrants."  They aren't immigrants.  It's a slander against legal immigrants that we even handwave at a legitimate comparison between the two.   I'm all for calling them  "illegal intruders," or "illegal interlopers."   Or if we want to take a page from the left, let's dehumanize them (ala "pro-choice" versus "pro-murder") and call them   "illegal vectors."   I don't care what we call them, but this conflation with legal immigrants that is the cornerstone    of the regressive    argument has GOT to    be stopped.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit [/s][/i][/u][/b] at April 30, 2013 11:22 AM (4df7R)

189 Rubio a trojan horse?

Posted by: Tilikum The Killer Assault Whale at April 30, 2013 11:22 AM (uhftQ)

190 Man is the HQ bitching about Gabe tiring. He's living in your head rent free.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 30, 2013 11:22 AM (xAtAj)

191 I am beginning to think that mutt Clemenza was right, invade Mexico and the Nationalize everything and send em home...

Posted by: SEnd them Back by Gas at April 30, 2013 11:22 AM (3GuQx)

192 I like Rush, always have but WTF.

IMO, he struck up an off-air friendship with Rubio and in this case is being a little naive himself. Love El Rusbo, too. Been listening to him since he first syndicated.

Posted by: The Third Horesman Of The Apocalypse at April 30, 2013 11:22 AM (vbh31)

193 185 I bought a $10 LED bulb. Didn't like the light color. But now my attic has a bulb that is supposed to last for 20 years.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 30, 2013 04:21 PM (ZPrif)


And still won't, FYI. Those projections are BS.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at April 30, 2013 11:22 AM (tWmgi)

194 The claim is that the LED bulb will have an incredibly long lifespan.

Scope out the packaging and read the fine print. I did. Three year warranty. That should tell you all you need to know.


The LED's will last a long time, the ballasts not so much unless they've made them a lot more robust than the CFL ones.


Posted by: @PurpAv at April 30, 2013 11:22 AM (/gHaE)

195 107 We haven't even been able to get the light bulb ban reversed. We are fucked. Noted. I just remodeled a bathroom and did not replace my 3.2 gallon flush toilet.

Posted by: olddog in mo at April 30, 2013 11:22 AM (JtFdg)

196 178 Tough crowd, no one reacting to the Jessica Nigri photo. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2013 04:20 PM (1zr4/)



Why are you paying so much attention to her?  = P

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 30, 2013 11:22 AM (oY6Yp)

197 My only explanation is that I've come to believe that he's actually stupid. Not a liar, just a dumbass. Posted by: L, elle at April 30, 2013 04:14 PM (0PiQ4) He has a lot of faith and trust. Plus, he seems really kind. But, he's not seeing the bigger picture.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2013 11:22 AM (XYSwB)

198 Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at April 30, 2013 04:22 PM (4df7R) How about thieves. I like that.

Posted by: Oldsailors Poet is no longer shamelessly hawking his book Amy Lynn available on amazon. at April 30, 2013 11:23 AM (XIxXP)

199 I am actually pro-amnesty, but these jackholes are starting to piss me off. My wife legally immigrated here, though you'd be surprised how much money and paperwork it takes to get the wife and mother of a US citizen a green card. Show income. Show residence. Show job. Sign documents in blue ink not black. Your income is from overseas (where I met her) so how will you earn money in America. (I'm in sales, and the embassy guy had never heard of telephones or email apparently.) It felt like they were barring me, a US citizen from coming back. I had to sign affidavits of support which means I am on the hook if the wife ever goes on welfare. OK fine...actually surprised they could do that but OK. Once back in California I started noticing the massive amounts of EBT cards being used. By people who are OBVIOUSLY green card holders. Then the wife came home from ESL class asking about food stamps, section 8 etc. Seems the friendly foreign classmates all got those and knew all the tricks "you must have an old car." So obviously that rule about immigrants not getting welfare is a huge lie. I need to note for the record that one of her Mexican class mates was an underwater welder who worked his ass off and was buying land in Mexico with his savings. That dude didn't get any welfare. So it is not everybody.

Posted by: sexypig at April 30, 2013 11:23 AM (dZQh7)

200 The bulb ban is ultra-retarded. If the new bulbs are such money-savers people will switch on their own, no need to ban anything.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 30, 2013 11:23 AM (ZPrif)

201 And still won't, FYI. Those projections are BS. Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at April 30, 2013 04:22 PM (tWmgi) You're thinking of CFLs. LEDs do last a really long time.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 30, 2013 11:23 AM (xAtAj)

202 okay, maybe I'm wrong and Rubio is a liar? I haven't listened to talk radio for a while. Relying on what I read online only. ChiqueD and FlatbushJ, Rubio's a liar?

Posted by: L, elle at April 30, 2013 11:23 AM (0PiQ4)

203

L, elle:

 

I don't know about Rubio.  I'm thinking.  I give it another month or so, but if he continues on with this retardation of a bill, I'm probably done with him as a national candidate.  In fact, as I type it, I know I am.  After everyone has looked at this and pointed out the obvious flaws and nightmare it would be, if he is still pimping it, then he's done.

 

Jwest:

 

Seriously, do your homework.  Read Mickey Kaus and get back to me.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 30, 2013 11:23 AM (tVTLU)

204 There must be a red line here somewhere. You know, one that we can move around and double-talk to suit our purposes as the drowsy public becomes more or less interested in the issue. Gotta have a red line, it's all the rage these days.

Posted by: and irresolute at April 30, 2013 11:24 AM (DBH1h)

205 Tough crowd, no one reacting to the Jessica Nigri photo. I find her rather....colorless.

Posted by: zsasz at April 30, 2013 11:24 AM (MMC8r)

206 You're thinking of CFLs. LEDs do last a really long time.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 30, 2013 04:23 PM (xAtAj)


Ah, right you are. Apologies.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at April 30, 2013 11:24 AM (tWmgi)

207

"I've always been a fan of this idea. Also, the upkeep of all their illegals in prison we're paying for. Maybe we could also allow for lawsuits, like when an illegal plows his car into the side of a bus."

 

It's only one idea.

 

Everybody agrees that the first thing is to seal the border with fences or whatever it takes.  After that, it's an open question.

 

The most popular approach on our side involves kicking doors in and dragging people off to deportation centers.  It's got a lot of appeal and is easy to sell to the right people, but I don't know if it will sell well with women voters.

Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2013 11:24 AM (u2a4R)

208 24 I am a huge Rush fan, but he's so in the tank for Rubio that he can't see that Rubio is just being an opportunist.
Posted by: chique d'afrique (the artist formerly known as african chick) at April 30, 2013 03:50 PM (6zgse)


He was such a Rubio apologist today to the point it annoyed me, sounded like a dad trying to excuse his son's bad behavior. He and others keep saying this is all part of a master plan, that this bill is never ever intended to pass. Well, so sorry I ma skeptical, considering what giant brain trusts the GOP has proven to be so far.


I have no idea why Rubio has chosen this as a hill to die on, or if he even knows how much he has tarnished his brand, and the hopes ppl had in him.

Posted by: Leviathan Warships at April 30, 2013 11:24 AM (8wqqE)

209

Prescient111, ??

If you're thinking that I've been contributing to the problem, you may be right. I'm considering my options.

Posted by: LadyS at April 30, 2013 11:24 AM (Dx1+L)

210 cannot collect welfare;  Well that's not fair!, Ok not collect welfare until the ink is dry.


cannot vote for x number of years, That's not fair!, ok you can vote Dem, right before the ink is dry!

Has to pay own healthcare, That's not fair!. Ok  get on Obamacare and be added to the millions that can't pay for Obamacare ., the filthy rich will pay for everyone.

be self supporting , That's Not Fair!

alright we'll find you a nice place to live, buy your food, let you drive without insurance , not go to  jail for fraud, just like everyone (our other constituent Tsarnaev brothers (sp) else.

Posted by: willow at April 30, 2013 11:24 AM (nqBYe)

211 You know, I was in a pretty decent mood before this thread.  It's already mid afternoon and I haven't even insulted anyone's intelligence yet.  Even the plane crash vid didn't break me.

Now, this shit.

We need people on the ground to relentlessly hound the self-serving, backstabbing weasels like McCain, Rubio and Graham every time they dare show their face in public.  Preferably armed with torches and pitchforks.

Want to talk about work permits for migrant farm workers?  Fine.  That's a reasonable debate.  Streamlining the immigration system so that educated, skilled immigrants don't face such a bureaucratic nightmare?  Even better.

Amnesty?  No.  Not for false promises of better border security and enforcement, not for any fucking reason.  Not after they've spent years making false promises and telling lies about their intentions.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 30, 2013 11:25 AM (SY2Kh)

212 I rest my case, this is a tough crowd.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2013 11:25 AM (1zr4/)

213 Me thinks DCerrestrials have invaded Rubio's body.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at April 30, 2013 11:25 AM (XYSwB)

214 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2013 04:16 PM (1zr4/)

Ah, thanks.   Sven had a different take on it, but that is pretty poor behavior.  

Though, was it ego, or about the risk to the aircrew?   

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 30, 2013 11:25 AM (v3pYe)

215 Ah, right you are. Apologies. Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at April 30, 2013 04:24 PM (tWmgi) That said... street lamps in colder areas benefits from traditional bulbs since they melt snow and ice...

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 30, 2013 11:25 AM (xAtAj)

216 Rubio's a liar?

Posted by: L, elle at April 30, 2013 04:23 PM (0PiQ4)


No no. He's just misunderstood. Naive if you will...


Posted by: Rush at April 30, 2013 11:26 AM (Cs2tJ)

217 I think I'm going to run with my Christie/Rubio/Obama pity party idea and write a full play.

Working title: The Populist Lament.

Posted by: The Obsidian Owl at April 30, 2013 11:26 AM (tWmgi)

218

Sexypig:

 

Absolutely, I'm sympathetic with what a clusterfuck our immigration system is.  But this is INTENTIONAL.

 

Just like the complications in the tax system.  Until they can figure it the fuck out, no more.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 30, 2013 11:26 AM (tVTLU)

219 same here Soona.

Posted by: L, elle at April 30, 2013 11:26 AM (0PiQ4)

220 211 I rest my case, this is a tough crowd. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2013 04:25 PM (1zr4/)



I'm sure the ONT crew will give her boobehs the attention they deserve.  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 30, 2013 11:26 AM (oY6Yp)

221 No, on second thought, let's leave things the way they are. It's so much better this way.

Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2013 04:08 PM (u2a4R)

Every time I read one of your impossibly stupid screeds, I think that you have hit some mythical wall...that your stupidity has finally found some bound.

But each time I am wrong.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 30, 2013 11:26 AM (/WLC3)

222 LED prices should also continue to plummet. Next is OLEDs... then quantum dots...

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 30, 2013 11:26 AM (xAtAj)

223 "The whole Time [Limbaugh called Rubio] a great conservative. I like Rush, always have but WTF."

Rush is an utter idiot who has for quite a while now been doing more damage then help to the conservative cause.

Last year, the Democrats were absolutely desperate to run on ANY issue other than the economy, which was a flat-out guaranteed loser issue for them. In the past, when they've had that problem, they've tried to stir up culture-war issues with the right instead, and in the past, that's worked reliably.

So they did what had worked in the past, and dangled culture war bait in various forms. One of which was the carefully orchestrated Sandra Fluke testimony.

The GOP should have learned the lesson of previous culture-war fiascoes, and totally ignored Fluke, and continued to ask, "Mr. President, where are the jobs? You said you would create tens of millions of good paying new jobs. Where are they?" Because job insecurity was far and away THE NUMBER ONE ISSUE WITH POLLED VOTERS.

Instead, Limbaugh opened his overly large mouth and bit right down on that culture war bait, and called Fluke a slut, and handed the Democrats a huge opening to declare that the 2012 campaign wasn't going to be about the economy after all, but instead about the War On Wimmenz. Which was a giant relief for them. Every Democrat in the country quietly relaxed and muttered, "Thanks, Rush!"

Stop listening to the guy. His instincts are horrible. We would be best served if he were to retire. He doesn't need the money.

Posted by: torquewrench at April 30, 2013 11:27 AM (gqT4g)

224 Why are we even doing this, anyway?


Illegal aliens -- er, undocumented Americans are a natural GOP constituency.  So, massive GOP electoral gains.  That's why.

Posted by: Karl Rove at April 30, 2013 11:28 AM (8ZskC)

225 >>Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2013 04:10 PM (1zr4/)<<



Thank you AP.  I needed that.

Posted by: Muad'dib at April 30, 2013 11:28 AM (KjlbF)

226 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2013 04:25 PM (1zr4/)

Eh.

She has a large rack, but nothing else to get her noticed.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 30, 2013 11:28 AM (/WLC3)

227 Me thinks DCerrestrials have invaded Rubio's body.

That congressional freshman orientation has nothing to do with orienting, and everything to do with implanting your symbiot.

Posted by: @PurpAv at April 30, 2013 11:28 AM (/gHaE)

228 Boy do I feel smart never backing Rubio. He was never my guy. When this whole immigration thing started, I urged calm, saying you guys were just freaking out, and Rubio would see reason. Ummmm, I was wrong about this. Hopefully my boy Rand won't try for the same football. *knock on wood*

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 30, 2013 11:28 AM (xAtAj)

229 I have no idea why Rubio has chosen this as a hill to die on, or if he even knows how much he has tarnished his brand, and the hopes ppl had in him.

Like McCain and Graham, he doesn't give a shit about the country or it's future.  He only cares about ensuring a permanent incumbency for himself, and believes that pandering to Florida Hispanics is the way to do it.

Running against Crist he opposed amnesty.  Now that the GOP base gave him money, a Senate seat and a high profile, he has no use for us anymore.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 30, 2013 11:29 AM (SY2Kh)

230

LadyS:

 

No, I meant my swearing.  lol.  Sigh, I don't know.  You want to be nice and help people, but at the same time you're right in a sense.  I really believe in the compassionate conservative creed to an extent. 

 

I think the problem is that there is so much assistance from public and private sources that we've lost sight of what it is to really struggle.

 

If we continue down this course of money printing, we are going to be reminded.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 30, 2013 11:29 AM (tVTLU)

231 Hey, Atilla I don't like your attitude.

Posted by: Rush at April 30, 2013 11:29 AM (4PYOi)

232
Ha! Remember when Romney didn't pick Rubio for VP?

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at April 30, 2013 04:01 PM (aq5Dc)










He'd have done less damage as VP than he has in Congress lately.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 30, 2013 11:29 AM (TIIx5)

233 Also, Something Must Be Done!

Posted by: Karl Rove at April 30, 2013 11:29 AM (8ZskC)

234 I think Rubio thinks he needs this bill to make his presidential run and to move Hispanics right. (He gets bill passed. Speaks in Spanish about it. Hispanics become intrigued by him, and he can lead some to the GOP. I actually buy this strategy, BTW. See how many GOP voters were brought in by Reagan.) The problem is he is being led down the path by the Dems, and he's losing his credibility. He should wait until 2014 to re-try. Pass something else now. How about an exit visa program, like every other country has? just that. By itself. No deals for Dems. These comprehensive bills always suck.

Posted by: sexypig at April 30, 2013 11:29 AM (dZQh7)

235

Chris Matthews would have something to say about this but his Sunday morning show has been canceled because he's just too busy to do it anymore. He's going to concentrate on his wildly successful "Hardball" show.

 

 

Ahem.

Posted by: Meremortal at April 30, 2013 11:30 AM (1Y+hH)

236 Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2013 04:24 PM (u2a4R)

Agreed that it would be part and parcel to a larger "action".  Stop the flood, perhaps deportation, and actually put some pain on Mexico.  They seem to encourage their poor to come here, burden us, and send any ill gotten gains back to them which stimulates its economy.

Posted by: Heralder at April 30, 2013 11:30 AM (+xmn4)

237 Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 30, 2013 04:26 PM (xAtAj)

OLEDs? The sort of thin-film lights?

Are they available commercially?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 30, 2013 11:30 AM (/WLC3)

238

Hollowpoint:

 

You are dead on, as usual.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 30, 2013 11:30 AM (tVTLU)

239 Who said illegals and terrorists have the same rights we do?  Cos you're wrong about that.

They have way more rights than we do.  Moslems are a protected class to the Democrat party. 

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 30, 2013 11:30 AM (P7hip)

240 Precient11 --- new one for you: CRUZ/COTTON 2016!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: L, elle at April 30, 2013 11:30 AM (0PiQ4)

241 199 The bulb ban is ultra-retarded. If the new bulbs are such money-savers people will switch on their own, no need to ban anything. Posted by: Flatbush Joe
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You will do as instructed.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2013 11:31 AM (aDwsi)

242 CRUZ/COTTON 2016!!!!!!!!!!! *** Presently, I would support any combination of Rand/Cruz/Lee.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2013 11:31 AM (piMMO)

243 She has a large rack, but nothing else to get her noticed.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 30, 2013 04:28 PM (/WLC3)

And since those can be purchased, if that's all you got, it aint much.

Posted by: Heralder at April 30, 2013 11:33 AM (+xmn4)

244 These comprehensive deals all start with the best intentions and the Dems being "reasonable." Then as momentum has built for a deal, and the GOP fears looking like meanies, the demands begin. "OK, Rubio, maybe just suck Schumer's cock? How about it? Just wet the tip. We'll get some of our operatives in the press to only bash you at 75% vitriol. Come on. Just tongue it. OK, Schumers done. Now, I know we said just Schumer, but Reid's really needing some love too."

Posted by: sexypig at April 30, 2013 11:33 AM (dZQh7)

245  CRUZ/COTTON 2016!!!!!!!!!!!

***

Presently, I would support any combination of Rand/Cruz/Lee.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2013 04:31 PM (piMMO

 

Unfortunately I don't think Cruz qualifies for the Presidency.  He was born in Canada to a Cuban immigrant.  His mother though was from Delaware.

Posted by: polynikes at April 30, 2013 11:34 AM (m2CN7)

246

"Everybody agrees that the first thing is to seal the border with fences or whatever it takes."

 

Well yes, Jwest, let's do that first.  Then deport all criminal illegals.  Then deport all very sick illegals.  Then deport all mentally ill illegals.  Then cut off all welfare, except for children, to illegals.

 

Once those things accomplished, then we can tackle the rest.  But no citizenship for anyone who came here illegally.  Guest worker, whatever.

 

This is not what is being proposed.

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 30, 2013 11:34 AM (tVTLU)

247 > That said... street lamps in colder areas benefits from traditional bulbs since they melt snow and ice... This. Last snow here in MN all the streetlights were blocked by blowing snow for a day or so since the LEDs don't get warm enough to melt the snow off them.

Posted by: Lemmenkainen, Freelance Warlord at April 30, 2013 11:34 AM (ZWvOb)

248 new thread up

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2013 11:34 AM (piMMO)

249 Outside of having to pay US taxes no matter where in the world I work and reside, what benefit is citizenship anymore? Posted by: Margarita DeVille at April 30, 2013 04:12 PM _____ There isn't any. I think it was DrewM in last week's post on the internet sales tax that to the government, we're just sheep to be shorn. I think this country is lost. There's no saving it, and given that the Free Shit Army makes up an ever-growing critical mass of the electorate, I don't even want to save it. I want them to be trapped in the house they themselves set on fire. And I want those of us that knew better to get out before it's too late.

Posted by: Jack Nine at April 30, 2013 11:35 AM (0h8aq)

250 Presently, I would support any combination of Rand/Cruz/Lee.

Rand has been pretty evasive with regards to immigration.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 30, 2013 11:35 AM (SY2Kh)

251 OLEDs? The sort of thin-film lights? Are they available commercially? Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at April 30, 2013 04:30 PM (/WLC3) They're only being used for screens right now. Like Samsung's Galaxy series. Blue OLEDs are still degrading quite fast compared to other colors, so they aren't good for regular lighting yet.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 30, 2013 11:35 AM (xAtAj)

252

"Every time I read one of your impossibly stupid screeds, I think that you have hit some mythical wall...that your stupidity has finally found some bound."

 

Hundreds of comments here and not one viable idea.

 

You would think that someone, maybe even Ace, would take a crack at saying "Rubio is wrong on this.  What needs to happen is.."

 

But no. 

 

Bitching, moaning, whining.  Chest thumping "I'm more conservative than anyone" sloganeering. 

 

Lots of useless shit said by people who couldn't buy a coherent thought.

 

Call in to Rush tomorrow and tell him how disappointed you are in him and Rubio.  I'm sure he'll break down in tears.

Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2013 11:36 AM (u2a4R)

253 Presently, I would support any combination of Rand/Cruz/Lee. Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at April 30, 2013 04:31 PM (piMMO) I'll settle for Perry/{Rand/Cruz/Lee}

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 30, 2013 11:36 AM (xAtAj)

254 221 LED prices should also continue to plummet.

Next is OLEDs... then quantum dots... Posted by: HoboJerky
----------

Why? Economies of scale? I'm dubious that we are not past that. Moreover, the retro-fit market *may* enjoy a surge, but it will be transient. Of course if the JEF manages to increase energy costs, then consumers may *driven* to them.

Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2013 11:36 AM (aDwsi)

255 By the way, you know how all the lefties pine for Europe and Canada? Wow, those countries work so well! We should be like them. One reason those countries work well, is even their lefties have to make government efficient and function. Their taxes are so high they can no longer just keen jerk on that. So Denmark is cutting welfare, business taxes, and fat taxes. Canada privatized its air traffic control system in 1996. Meanwhile we do nothing like that. Just slather on a new tax, a new program, a new tax credit.

Posted by: sexypig at April 30, 2013 11:37 AM (dZQh7)

256 Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2013 04:36 PM (u2a4R) Jwest, I've posted multiple times on what we could do. Don't feel like typing it out again.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 30, 2013 11:37 AM (xAtAj)

257 Why? Economies of scale? I'm dubious that we are not past that. Moreover, the retro-fit market *may* enjoy a surge, but it will be transient. Of course if the JEF manages to increase energy costs, then consumers may *driven* to them. Posted by: Mike Hammer at April 30, 2013 04:36 PM (aDwsi) Science and engineering(TM). Blue LEDs used to be really hard to make, for example. Now they are almost at parity.

Posted by: HoboJerky, now with 45% more DOOM! at April 30, 2013 11:38 AM (xAtAj)

258

L,elle:

 

You know what, you're warming me up!!!  Is Cruz's background middle/working class?

Posted by: Prescient11 at April 30, 2013 11:38 AM (tVTLU)

259 Rubio is NOT being duped, he is not being fooled, he wants this and always has.

it is the dolts who bought into the Rubio-phenomenon that were\are being fooled.

Posted by: Shoey at April 30, 2013 11:38 AM (jdOk/)

260 Wasn't Marco at the table negotiating and writing this thing?  You can't simultaneously be the author and then say I don't know what is in the bill.  He is, obviously, a liar.

Posted by: ejo at April 30, 2013 11:39 AM (GXvSO)

261 115 Rush likes Rubio and has liked for a long time. He's a got a man-crush on Rubio and can't see what's in front of his eyes. Best interpretation of Rubio is he's stupid on the details, getting rolled by the Dems, and is blinded by his Cuban heritage into believing Mexicans are "natural" conservatives. But the selling point on Rubio has always been he's a wonk who is a master of policy details. So both can't be true. Posted by: Flatbush Joe at April 30, 2013 04:09 PM (ZPrif)

Mia Love's parents immigrated here, and so did the parents of a friend of mine in Brooklyn. Both are black and uber uber conservative (yes black conservatives in Brooklyn do exist, well one does.) While I wish they were not the exception to the rule, more and more they are; unlike Rubio I am not naively blind to this. Jut because he WANTS to believe that hispanics are natural conservatives, does not mean that is actually the case.

Posted by: Leviathan Warships at April 30, 2013 11:39 AM (8wqqE)

262

@169 Maybe we could also allow for lawsuits, like when an illegal plows his car into the side of a bus.

----------------------------

Here in SoCal, the cops tried to adopt the practice of NOT impounding the cars of licenseless drivers if the driver in question happened to be an illegal alien.  Popular protest killed that idea, fortunately.

 

Posted by: junior at April 30, 2013 11:40 AM (UWFpX)

263 251
"Every time I read one of your impossibly stupid screeds, I think that you have hit some mythical wall...that your stupidity has finally found some bound."

Hundreds of comments here and not one viable idea.

You would think that someone, maybe even Ace, would take a crack at saying "Rubio is wrong on this. What needs to happen is.."

But no.

Bitching, moaning, whining. Chest thumping "I'm more conservative than anyone" sloganeering.

Lots of useless shit said by people who couldn't buy a coherent thought.

Call in to Rush tomorrow and tell him how disappointed you are in him and Rubio. I'm sure he'll break down in tears.

Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2013 04:36 PM (u2a4R).


solution Number 1: Enforce the Law!

Posted by: Shoey at April 30, 2013 11:41 AM (jdOk/)

264 Conservative Monster, Browning was Halsey's chief of staff.  Spruance, a cruiser admiral, inherited Halsey's staff just prior to Midway because Bull got himself a raging case of dermatitis that got him shipped, covered in grease, Stateside.

So there was friction between a staff used to 'go in harm's way' Halsey and this unknown black shoe admiral.  For the brown shoe navy, even though it was Halsey who recommended Spruance, that was just way too much for them.  Spruance had to pick up being a carrier admiral on the way to Point Luck.

But my gripe was Browning stormed off and sulked.  An admiral's chief of staff, the one who is supposed to keep a rein on the rest of the staff, acting petulant. 

In hindsight Spruance could have been gravely wrong with his early launch decision.  Stanhope Ring, Hornet CAG, certainly went wrong.  If it had not been for Wade McClusky leading VB-6 and VS-6 on that box search that found IJN Arashi hurrying to catch up with Nagumo's First Air Fleet after depth bombing USS Nautilus it might have been just Yorktown's SBD squadron over four Japanese carriers instead of three.  But its for taking such risks admirals are paid.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2013 11:41 AM (1zr4/)

265 And Paul Ryan holds a presser with Luis Gutierrez, another virulent player of the race card. 

Posted by: ejo at April 30, 2013 11:41 AM (GXvSO)

266 "You would think that someone, maybe even Ace, would take a crack at saying "Rubio is wrong on this. What needs to happen is.." 1) Do nothing. Its always an option. 2) Pass smaller reforms instead of these monstrosities. But Dems won't vote for that. 3) Pass something comprehensive but stick to your guns to make sure border security is at least given some actual focus and not just likes like "develop a fence strategy." My advice to the GOP would be to no longer agree to comprehensive deals, but agree to have lists of individual laws that could be check marked voted after the citizens could see them. So, yes, as part of the overall voting, everyone will get their chance, but if your bill sucks it does not get included just because they have to include it.

Posted by: sexypig at April 30, 2013 11:43 AM (dZQh7)

267 chique d'afrique: "But he (and Mark Levin, btw) has kept on holding on to his pristine image of an earnest conservative Marco Rubio."

Rush and Levin have so much invested in Rubio that they are hedging their critiques to the point of their own discredit.

I donated to and pushed for the Rubio campaign in the very early stages when he was waaay behind Christ. I thought he'd be a sound, complete steward for conservatism. Wrong. I was wrong. So, learning from the mistake given what Rubio is standing for, I now have a jaundiced eye to the man. He is morphing into an enemy and the obvious frontman for a massive fraud. He is lying to us about the bill and its provisions. He is the grand deceiver of the contemporary Comprehensive POS which makes him worse than ideologues who will come right out and say something to the effect that "La Raza" has it right. At least they're honest in their assault on American values, justice, law, and sovereignty.

But somehow Rush, Levin, et al. cannot call a spade a spade because of their past endorsement. I'd say that's pretty foolish and a blemish on their own records. It's obvious Rubio knows what he's doing and he's pretty damned earnest in pushing catastrophic legislation. The fact that he's lying about its contents by commission and/or omission is an indictment of his character and good reason for the likes of the conservative punditry to call Rubio out. It's their obligation as "truthtellers" to tell the whole truth, warts and all.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 30, 2013 11:43 AM (eHIJJ)

268 I think Rubio needs this deal so he start campaigning for 2016. He feels a time pressure. Maybe he thinks the GOP won't even consider something in 2014 if they win back the Senate?

Posted by: sexypig at April 30, 2013 11:44 AM (dZQh7)

269

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 30, 2013 04:43 PM (eHIJJ

 

Coulter had no problem.  I'm thinking Cristie is next. 

Posted by: polynikes at April 30, 2013 11:45 AM (m2CN7)

270

@206 The most popular approach on our side involves kicking doors in and dragging people off to deportation centers. It's got a lot of appeal and is easy to sell to the right people, but I don't know if it will sell well with women voters.

-----------------------

Nope.  The most popular approach these days on our side is the one advocated by Romney.  Just start enforcing the laws that are already on the books (particularly the ones that are punative toward employers that hire illegals), and the vast majority of the ones already here will return home on their own.

 

Posted by: junior at April 30, 2013 11:46 AM (UWFpX)

271 249 Presently, I would support any combination of Rand/Cruz/Lee.
Rand has been pretty evasive with regards to immigration.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at April 30, 2013 04:35 PM (SY2Kh)


A lot of people in Utah, the ones anti Lee, implied he and Chaffetz were dim-bulb jocks that tarnished our GOP brand. However, they have both been wonderful. And now that Hatch is making motions like he is actually going to vote for the amnesty atrocity, I am glad I have ONE senator I can count on to actually behave like a proper conservative. I never have to doubt where Lee stands on an issue, ever, and that has been a huge relief.

Posted by: Leviathan Warships at April 30, 2013 11:48 AM (8wqqE)

272 ughhh ridic sock is ridic, sorry.

Posted by: Leviathan Warships at April 30, 2013 11:49 AM (8wqqE)

273

"Just start enforcing the laws that are already on the books (particularly the ones that are punative toward employers that hire illegals), and the vast majority of the ones already here will return home on their own."

 

This is a fine idea and should be incorporated into whatever is done.  However, if you're going to punative towards employers, as a government you need to be able to give employers a means to identify who is here legally and who isn't.

 

Make a mechanism to solve that problem, and we're halfway there.

Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2013 11:51 AM (u2a4R)

274   But my gripe was Browning stormed off and sulked. An admiral's chief of staff, the one who is supposed to keep a rein on the rest of the staff, acting petulant. 

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2013 04:41 PM (1zr4/)



Got it.   Love the historical knowledge you bring out at the drop of a hat. 

Here's another question, if you don't mind:  What's the difference between a scout squadron and a dive bomber squadron?   Was digging around, ended up on an article compare/contrasting US/Japan carrier doctrine.   A point they brought up is that the US carriers carried a VS and a VB squadron due to their pre-war experience with the importance of scouting. 

Both of those squadrons are listed as flying SBDs.    Did they carry different equipment, or was it just a designation/training difference?  

Posted by: ConservativeMonster at April 30, 2013 11:51 AM (oY6Yp)

275 "Mario azende me tuzeprovenos sfachim ( Mario listen to me you are a low life)."
This was Bob Grant's "nfamous Mario Cuomo salute that drove Cuomo up a wall" wonder if it applies to this new Mario?

Posted by: Caustic at April 30, 2013 11:51 AM (/b8+5)

276 No problema. We'll just print more.

Posted by: The "Dorritos" Fed at April 30, 2013 11:53 AM (znT2j)

277 Make a mechanism to solve that problem, and we're halfway there. That's such a great idea. They should call it something all internetty by sticking an "e" in front of the name. eVerify maybe?

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at April 30, 2013 11:54 AM (V3kRK)

278 “The Gang of Eight made a promise that illegal immigrants will not be able to access public benefits,” Sessions said __________________________ We always knew that was a lie. Current federal law says that would-be immigrants shall not be admitted to the U.S. if they're likely to become "a public charge." Know how many visas Obama has denied on that basis since he's been in office? Zero. Obama does not personally like the law, so he simply does not enforce it (and of course, it's not the only federal law he refuses to enforce). The Rubio amnesty bill, if it passed, would become federal law -- and Obama would ignore whatever parts of that law did not suit his purposes, just like he already does with other existing federal laws. People need to wake up.

Posted by: Horrified Observer at April 30, 2013 11:54 AM (/sohm)

279 polynikes: "Coulter had no problem. I'm thinking Cristie is next."

Now that will be a sight. She'll have to write a new book called "Crushed" that documents how her political love stomped on her heart. As of now I think she's still delusional towards the man.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 30, 2013 11:56 AM (eHIJJ)

280

"That's such a great idea. They should call it something all internetty by sticking an "e" in front of the name. eVerify maybe?"

 

I hope they don't call it "eVerify".

 

That would make it sound too much like the old program that didn't work worth shit.  The one only stupid people depended on. 

Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2013 11:58 AM (u2a4R)

281 Make a mechanism to solve that problem, and we're halfway there. Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2013 04:51 PM (u2a4R) ____________________ We already have one. It's called E-Verify, and after AZ passed a law requiring employers to use it, we had a substantial number of illegal aliens leave the state. Guess what Rubio's amnesty bill does with E-Verify? It PROHIBITS states from using it for a number of years. (And that is one of the reasons southern AZ has recently seen a sharp increase in the number of illegal border crossings).

Posted by: Horrified Observer at April 30, 2013 11:58 AM (/sohm)

282

We should get eVerify linked to something impossible to fake, that way it will work for sure.

 

How about Social Security numbers?

Posted by: jwest at April 30, 2013 12:02 PM (u2a4R)

283 278 polynikes: "Coulter had no problem. I'm thinking Cristie is next." Now that will be a sight. She'll have to write a new book called "Crushed" that documents how her political love stomped on her heart. As of now I think she's still delusional towards the man. Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at April 30, 2013 04:56 PM (eHIJJ) Actually I believe she has gone back on her Christie lovefest. Still don't trust her though.

Posted by: Buzzion at April 30, 2013 12:02 PM (WpbD7)

284 I'm beginning to think Rubio is either ethnocentric or is planning to run for POTUS on the strength of the Hispanic vote.

Posted by: Chairman LMAO at April 30, 2013 12:15 PM (9eDbm)

285 -
"Why, if there were, perhaps some young lawmaker of Hispanic origin could write a rider onto a law that would charge back the country of origin of these people for the expense incurred."

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And when Mexico tells you to jam your "chargeback" up your ass, what are you gonna do?  Make it illegal for them to come here "illegally"?  Build a fence?

This is as pie-in-the-sky as Rubio's already bullshitty bullshit.

Posted by: irright at April 30, 2013 12:18 PM (pMGkg)

286 Rubio + Rand Paul + John McCain = largest douche collection in the history of humanity.  F A I L

Posted by: tangonine at April 30, 2013 12:24 PM (x3YFz)

287 That would make it sound too much like the old program that didn't work worth shit. The one only stupid people depended on. You are a fucking jackass.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at April 30, 2013 12:27 PM (V3kRK)

288 Conservative Monster.

You are right, by the time of Coral Sea and Midway the VS and VB squadrons were equipped with SBD-3 Dauntless dive bombers.  Identical airplanes in both squadrons.

The VS planes when launched for scouting would only carry a 500lb bomb on the centerline.  Lighter bomb load means less gas consumed so greater range.  Once a scout did find a target, him and his wingman were expected to attack with their 500lb bombs.  Reasoning is clear.  Get a lick in and perhaps lame the enemy for the larger strike wave to finish off.

Compared to Japanese scouting dogma, the American's concept was better.  I know the book Shattered Sword is supposed to upend all the conventional wisdom on how Japan lost Midway - contradicting Walter Lord, Gordon Prange, and Okumiya; but from reading the precis of the book all the authors manage to do is further refine how badly flawed Japanese carrier and aviation doctrine was.

American doctrine called for an almost pre-dawn launch of VS SBDs.  It would not be a 360 search, just sectors where they thought the enemy might be.  In the case of Midway Hypo and Midway based PBYs had already narrowed the search area.  Still Fletcher on Yorktown did launch scout bombers.  While Spurance launched on the PBY contact reports, Fletcher waited on his scouts to report.  Which is why Yorktown's bombing and torpedo squadrons arrived at almost the same time as McClusky did with 32 Enterprise SBDs - Fletcher's scouts had caught Nagumo's fleet after he had turned away from Midway so they had better information.

As opposed to the Japanese.  They depended upon float scout planes launched from their cruisers to be the eyes of the fleet.  All the planes on the carriers were meant for offense.  Bushido and all that.  To this day no one really knows why Tone's No. 4 scout plane was delayed or flew the search patten it did.  But the Japanese search plan was haphazard and sloppy.  Adding to the problem was dangerous assumptions by the Japanese.

When I was at the Armaments Museum at Eglin I got a chance to look at a map of USS Hornet's cruise from East Coast to Doolittle Raid and the dash Hornet and Enterprise did to try and meet with Lexington and Yorktown for Coral Sea.  On that map it was amazing to see this little note in red pencil 'spotted by Jap plane.'  That sighting convinced Yamamoto and others there would be no American carriers at Midway.  Still the Japanese had a contingency plan.  They would launch Emily seaplanes from Wake, land at French Frigate Shoals to refuel, and then scout Pearl Harbor to see if American carriers had made it back.  But Hypo and Nimitz had figured out that part of the plan so when Japanese I-boats arrived at French Frigate Shoals, there was an American warship so the plan to scout Pearl Harbor was called off.  The final nail in how badly the Japanese operated was Yamamoto and his staff were at sea aboard Yamato so they had to maintain radio silence just like Nagumo, hence Yamamoto could not pass on commands least he be detected - ie his own plan muzzled him.  So messages from Tokyo like the abandonment of the Emily flying boats missed Nagumo aboard Akagi since Akagi's radio mast was short.  Nagumo and his staff assumed there had been no changes in American dispositions because they never picked up the message while Yamamoto's staff assumed Nagumo had gotten the message but could not transmit to confirm it.

So it was more than scouting doctrine that undermined the Japanese, but it certainly helped.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at April 30, 2013 12:32 PM (1zr4/)

289 Today we must all be aware that political expediency and latino ethnicity takes precedence over rule of law and constitutional procedure. However you say – WTF ! – what does this mean… in relation to the tabulation whereby we must once again realize that the great reconquesta story is now being rehearsed before our very eyes, in the rise of Marco Rubio… indicating that only a two-faced ... I mean a bi-faced ... I mean a bi-polar ...  I mean a bi-lingual hombre can receive…the award for reconquesta, unlike Kenyan Hussein Obama whose reconquesta plans don’t drink water.

Amigos – comrades – muchachos - friends, we are gathered here as an edifice of the great glory that is now vanishing and the intuitive feeling, based on the assumption as Mencken once said, “He who underestimates the American public will never go broke.” This is merely a small indication to behold and to perceive that which has gone way into the behind and to that which might project .. I mean go forward ...  out of the mouth ... i mean ..  the future…we’ve got to rip up the constitution so we can rip down those outdated  borders! This is the main deterrent upon which we have gathered our strength and all the others who say, “What the hell did that get?” – We don’t know.

And as Miller once said in one of his great novels- what did he … that language is only necessary when bilingual communication is endangered. And you sit there bewildered, and Pinter who went further said “It is not the lack of communication, but fear of communication.” That’s what the damn thing is that we fear – communication – especially all the Spanish communication that's even on a box of Wheaties now. Damn it! But we have no paranoia, and through all this Senator McCain has attained, and has created for himself serenity, and it is only his insanity that has kept him alive in his senility.

Senors y Senoritas, Ladies and Gentlemen. The time will come when a first world America will outlive its usefulness. Marx, either Groucho or Karl, I can't remember which, maybe it was both or maybe it was Harpo, once said that America is the opiate of the people. I say that when America outlives its usefulness and becomes a majority latino nation , then opium...will be the opiate...Ahh that's not a bad idea... we are going to need that badly especially when the booze runs out ...

And the completely unbiased and bi-partisan panel, has determined to give the grand prize to Marco Rubio for his <i>EARNESTY’S RAINBOW</i>. Now <i>EARNESTY’S RAINBOW</i> is a token of this man’s genius…he told me so himself and repeatedly …that he could change perceptions by calling his plan for knocking down those pesky borders EARNESTY …in other words, he could have been more specific, but rather than allude to an articulation of the mundane, he has come to the conclusion that brevity is the importance of our nation’s shallow first world existence. God damn!

 Marco Rubio’s . <i>EARNESTY’S RAINBOW</i> – is a small contribution to a certain degree, since there are over seven billion people in the world today. 450 of them … million live in the United States and Mexico which is a very, very small amount compared to those who will be miserable and dying elsewhere…Well, I say that you will be on the road to new horizons, for we who live in a society where citizenship is a commodity and a politician can become a TV personality, it’s not easy to conform if you have any morality…I, I, I said that myself many years ago…

But I do want to thank la Raza…I mean the RNC … I mean the DNC and it’s subsidiary the RNC, the organization for the $1,000 in affirmative action latino scholarships they’ve given out…tonight they took in over $4,000,000, but they do have expenses for their consultants you know,  and I think that I have another appointment. I would like to stay here, but for the sake of brevity I, I must leave. I do want to thank you, and I want to thank Marco Rubio – acting el Presidenta of la Raza Mexiamerica and also Mr. Obama – acting Pharaoh and Drone Commander of the World – and also I want to thank Professor Irwin Corey and thank you. ...

Posted by: Sigy at April 30, 2013 01:01 PM (vfiok)

290 it is the dolts who bought into the Rubio-phenomenon that were\are being fooled.

Posted by: Shoey at April 30, 2013 04:38 PM (jdOk/)

 

Indeed, Rubio was the GOP's Obama. A smooth-talking empty suit who's the "right" ethnicity. Only whereas Obama was a left-winger posing as a moderate, Rubio was a moderate (being charitable) posing as a Conservative.

 

General rule of thumb --- if Ace has a tingle for them, they are either a liar, loser, or both.

Posted by: MlR at April 30, 2013 01:25 PM (vR2l5)

291 People here are just greedy - we should provide health insurance to every human!! It's a fundamental right! (Along with food stamps and wifi)

Posted by: SteveAdams at April 30, 2013 01:41 PM (dXvEN)

292 Sitting here in Canada, out of the fray of American politics, I am boggled that any American conservatives would consider Rubio as their representative. And that they don't see this incoming sea of illegals as anything other than the death knell of small-government conservatives, and a setup for a generation of democratic domination (or worse).

I think that too many conservatives have bought into the fiction that accepting these illegals as citizens is inevitable, so the longer they fight against it the more they alienate this sea of illegals who inevitably will vote.

To my mind, it's only inevitable if you don't fight it. And no matter what you do, they won't vote conservative. They might vote "republican", but it won't for a republican that has a platform that is recognizable as anything conservative. 

Painful to watch this.

Posted by: Canadian Guy at April 30, 2013 02:15 PM (BXk8J)

293 Would it be bad to wish death by MS-13 gang ass rape on those who would take working Americans money via threat of the government gun and give it to an unarmed invasion army?

Why not just send DoD funding straight to Mexico if we are not willing to defend against an unarmed disorganized mass of people flowing across the border because we sure as hell are incapable of fightin an armed one (and no fool would need go so far knowing they do not need to be armed)..

Posted by: Burnt Toast at April 30, 2013 03:42 PM (JtyGg)

294 What I am surprised at is that people are surprised.  It's been my experience that any candidate that is held up as the savior of the Republican party and of conservatism (i.e. Scott Brown) isn't.  Quit grasping at straws and just go with Reagan's prescription that someone who agrees with you 80% of the time is better than someone who agrees with you never.

Posted by: chad98036 at April 30, 2013 05:17 PM (gYowz)

295 141 All your undocumented immigrants are belong to us. - You have no chance to survive make your time.

Posted by: La Raza at May 01, 2013 01:06 AM (a/4cm)

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