November 26, 2014

Second Take: Schumer's Merely Attempting a Trial Balloon Tactic of Distancing Democrats From Obamacare, While Continuing to Support and Defend It
— Ace

I thought the Schumer statement -- in which he criticized Obama for pushing Obamacare in 2010, instead of addressing the needs of the And The Middle Class -- was important.

But now I think it's just so much positioning. With Elizabeth Warren now endorsing his statement (!!!), it seems obvious to me that this does not represent a true schism in the Democrat Party, but rather a way to snooker the voters again, to Gruber them anew.

The public has turned against government "solutions," starting with its longheld opposition to Obamacare. And Obama is more personally unpopular than ever.

As John Ekdahl is always saying, at some point the 2016 elections will require Democrats to separate themselves from Obama, at least rhetorically, if not in reality.

Thus Charles Schumer's attempt at what he thinks is a cagey fillip -- he will not actually come out against Obamacare, but attempt to channel the frustration of the voters ("They spent all their time trying to pass this bill which only helps 5% of the population, instead of us, the bruised and battered And The Middle Class") without actually giving an inch on Obamacare.

They did the same thing with Clinton during Impeachment, of course. They would not vote for impeachment (just as they will not vote to repeal Obamacare or alleviate the punishing effects on the And The Middle Class) but they came up with a series of rhetorical posturings -- Clinton's behavior is "simply indefensible," for example -- intended to mimic the public's emotional response to the scandal without actually giving an inch on it in policy terms.

So now Charles Schumer, and Elizabeth Warren (!!!), are complaining that Obama spent too much time and capital and money addressing the concerns of the lower classes without sufficiently addressing the needs of the And The Middle Class.

But will they attempt to actually unburden the And The Middle Class by ending Obamacare's punishing wealth-redistributing taxes on the And The Middle Class?

Of course not.

But Schumer (and Warren, and Hillary too) hope that the And The Middle Class is enough of a cheap date to just accept some emotional grousing, rather than demanding specific action to alleviate their burdens.


Posted by: Ace at 08:55 AM | Comments (387)
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1 FIRST bitchez!

Posted by: Citizen X at November 26, 2014 08:55 AM (7ObY1)

2 So, Screwmer and Fauxahontas are now racisty racists? Wow.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 26, 2014 08:56 AM (7ObY1)

3 But now I think it's just so much positioning. With Elizabeth Warren now endorsing his statement (!!!), it seems obvious to me that this does not represent a true schism in the Democrat Party, but rather a way to snooker the voters again, to Gruber them anew.



I didn't realize this was even up for debate. 

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit & Vaginassassin, aka Beth [/i][/u][/s][/b] at November 26, 2014 08:57 AM (4df7R)

4 If you can't trust Chuck Schumer..

Posted by: --- at November 26, 2014 08:57 AM (MMC8r)

5 Barack Obama is a SCOAMT.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 26, 2014 08:58 AM (kff5f)

6 We care about the middle class, I tells ya!!

Posted by: Injun Liz at November 26, 2014 08:59 AM (zwdxl)

7 The real kicker here is that the GOP will undoubtedly give the Donks home field advantage by accepting their premise that the government can actually fix what it broke.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 26, 2014 08:59 AM (xSCb6)

8 But Schumer (and Warren, and Hillary too) hope that the And The Middle Class is enough of a cheap date to just accept some emotional grousing, rather than demanding specific action to alleviate their burdens.

Someone convince me they're wrong.

Please.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 26, 2014 08:59 AM (kff5f)

9 Well, yeah. It's not like Chuck Fucking Schumer suddenly grew a soul and a conscience and an appreciation for constitutional restraint.

Posted by: Stu-22 at November 26, 2014 08:59 AM (vd4oB)

10 The ONLY thing I want the government to personally do for me is leave me the fcuk alone.

Posted by: fixerupper at November 26, 2014 08:59 AM (NaV4z)

11 Chuck Schumer now expresses regret he did that in your mouth.

Posted by: --- at November 26, 2014 09:00 AM (MMC8r)

12 Good instincts, Ace. Though it's not much of a reach to cynically assume Schumer or any other Democrat is lying through their teeth for political gain.

Posted by: shillelagh at November 26, 2014 09:00 AM (hRzu2)

13 He never attacked Obamacare. He just said it was bad timing, which it very obviously was. So abundantly obvious that only a glassy-eyed zealot would even consider disagreeing. Schumer's problem wasn't the big government stupidity of the program or how it was implemented, but that it was the wrong big government program for the timing. He's all for it, as awful as it is, just not THEN. And the only reason he thinks that is that with hindsight he can now, four years later, see that maybe people weren't very happy with the timing and its hurting his political clout.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 26, 2014 09:00 AM (39g3+)

14 I'm learning tax prep for next year and ACA is all the talk right now..people are not going to get their big fat refunds, EIC, tax credits etc if they didn't get signed up and shit.

I'm thinking of packing my 9mm in case someone goes off.

Posted by: Jeanne of the North at November 26, 2014 09:00 AM (6Qavk)

15 *cough*

Posted by: The Scorpion at November 26, 2014 09:00 AM (rwI+c)

16 But will they attempt to actually unburden the And The Middle Class by ending Obamacare's punishing wealth-redistributing taxes on the And The Middle Class?
Of course not.


Thread Winner!!!

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 26, 2014 09:00 AM (kff5f)

17 Well, maybe the Dems are having a Billy moment of clarity and are ready to dump HillaryCare II. Screw healthcare, its all about teh re-elections.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 26, 2014 09:00 AM (oDCMR)

18 The thing to remember about Schumer, and all Dems for that matter, is just about every word out of their mouth is a lie.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at November 26, 2014 09:00 AM (u9gzs)

19 Chuck Schumer now expresses regret he did that in your mouth. before first addressing your financial troubles.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 26, 2014 09:01 AM (rwI+c)

20 The statement is nothing more than affirmation of Romney's presidential platform. A truth laid bare but designed to deflect criticism of state run health care and those who support the idea.

Posted by: Fair Tax at November 26, 2014 09:01 AM (+t8vY)

21 So, Screwmer and Fauxahontas are now racisty racists? - I'd Poke her hauntas. http://tinyurl.com/n8hpcc5

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 26, 2014 09:01 AM (XUKZU)

22 Democrats lie. Anderson Cooper gets schooled by Cheech Marin in Jeopardy. The sun must have risen in the east this morning.

Posted by: Furious George at November 26, 2014 09:01 AM (UlJ3l)

23 The other thing to remember is they are all commies and they will lie about that.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at November 26, 2014 09:02 AM (u9gzs)

24 The real kicker here is that the GOP will undoubtedly give the Donks home field advantage by accepting their premise that the government can actually fix what it broke.

Of course.  Because they're defending their *own* phony-balloney jobs, too.  If people realized how much the Government *shouldn't* be doing, the entire National Government would suffer a loss of power.  It might even (gasp) be reduced back to a mere Federal Government.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 26, 2014 09:02 AM (kff5f)

25 I said as much the other day. Schumer isn't changing his opinion as much as he recognizes that the public has changed their, and if he wants to remain the elected senator from NY he needs to modify his position as well. Any good politician recognizes this and knows when a shift is necessary. Plus he is wisely pinning this on Obama, when Obama really didn't do anything but sign the bill. Its smart politics, voters will likely fall for it. He won't be arguing for repeal, but nor could he continue to simply defend Obamacare. Regardless, it does represent somewhat of a significant step. The country is being pushed to the right. It doesn't matter if that is from an ideological perpsective or simply results perspective. Schumer would not have said this 2 years ago. So his statement is significant.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 09:02 AM (gmeXX)

26 The ONLY thing I want the government to personally do for me is leave me the fcuk alone.

I wouldn't mind some national defense.  But I don't think we're going to get it.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 26, 2014 09:02 AM (ZKzrr)

27 I fully support the middle class and am for anything to help make it stronger.  I too think we should have focused on other large, expensive wasteful govt programs before focusing on health care reform, which I am all for BTW but think we should work together to make even better.

Did I mention I am for the middle class?  Just go to my website ReadyForHillary.com where I have a position clearly stating my support for the Middle Class.

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 26, 2014 09:02 AM (1BQGO)

28 I think the posturing will lead to some big new Middle Class Entitlement ... what will it be? My bet's on education. Perhaps Universal Pre-School or Free College Tuition. I think the Left is gonna let Obamacare/healthcare marinate a decade and switch to some new middle class education entitlement.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 26, 2014 09:02 AM (zwdxl)

29 It's hard to believe that neither of them haven't any past statements that contradict what they are saying now. I'm sure someone will Gruber them.

Posted by: Bob Belcher at November 26, 2014 09:02 AM (3QAtO)

30 Let me add, that I didn't say it nearly as eloquent as Ace did in this post. Excellent analysis.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 09:02 AM (gmeXX)

31 never underestimate the stupidity of the average voter...

see 2008, 2012, Detroit, #Failifornia, etc

Posted by: redc1c4 at November 26, 2014 09:02 AM (vIjYi)

32 "Though it's not much of a reach to cynically assume Schumer or any other Democrat is lying through their teeth for political gain."


1. Lips

2. Movement


Some Dissembly Required

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 26, 2014 09:03 AM (xSCb6)

33 Schumer is evil, but he's smart. He's doing this for a reason -- to prepare the battlefield for his next attack.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 26, 2014 09:03 AM (zwdxl)

34 I believe the correct spelling is Elizabeth Warren (_!_)

Posted by: fluffy at November 26, 2014 09:04 AM (Ua6T/)

35 so does this make Schumer an honorary Hickowee Indian now..?

Posted by: mallfly at November 26, 2014 09:04 AM (bJm7W)

36 Schumer didn't just vote for OCare, he fought for it, slandered and bribed for it.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 26, 2014 09:04 AM (rwI+c)

37 Pure political Ju-jitsu.  

Schumer is craven, but he is no dummy.  

Posted by: aquaviva at November 26, 2014 09:04 AM (VvTTg)

38 From the side bar about Schumer and O speechwriter going girlo-a-girlo. "Yes, there was a debate about whether to pursue health care. But the biggest question was whether Democrats could get it done. And we did." Well, I knew there was no debate about whether it was the right thing to do.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 26, 2014 09:04 AM (XUKZU)

39 Left wants something new -- something they can tell the Middle Class (tm) that the middle class will get a part of. Something simple so they can say A Vote For Democrats Is A Vote For X.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 26, 2014 09:05 AM (zwdxl)

40 He never attacked Obamacare. He just said it was bad timing, which it very obviously was. ---- Give it time. He may have to attack Obama more forcefully. What this statement proves to me is that Schumer is not in such a safe seat that he can just completely defend Obamacare. He has to (or at least thinks he has to) put some separation between Obama and Obamacare and himself. He isn't a dumb politician - he recognizes that the political winds have shifted.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 09:05 AM (gmeXX)

41

 Chuck Schumer now expresses regret he did that in your mouth.

 

Honest injun!

Posted by: Princess running joke at November 26, 2014 09:05 AM (Spluw)

42 At best he's removing the Stone of Shame and replacing it with the Stone of Triumph.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 26, 2014 09:06 AM (rwI+c)

43 Schumer didn't just vote for OCare, he fought for it, slandered and bribed for it. --- Its good to remember that Reid/Pelosi and Schumer and others did the heavy lifting on Obamacare. Obama didn't really do anything. Now Schumer is trying to pin it all on Obama.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 09:06 AM (gmeXX)

44 Two lib Democrats are out yapping about how great Obamacare is, just not now, however. "We're sorry, we could have waved our magic wand and healed the economy in two weeks, but we stupidly thought you guys would rather have universal health care, so we did that instead. Don't worry, we see where we should have gone and we'll get right on fixing that economy so that Obamacare will work even better for you". I don't think even most LIV are THAT stupid.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 26, 2014 09:06 AM (hjTr7)

45 Burn in hell, Schumer.

Posted by: Insomniac at November 26, 2014 09:06 AM (DrWcr)

46 Schumer isn't attacking Obama as much as he is trying to help Scankles.  But it will be to no avail.  The wheels are already falling off her wagon.

Posted by: Vic[/i] at November 26, 2014 09:07 AM (u9gzs)

47 If you want to see Schumer squeal then raise interest rates. NY, CA, and IL are on life support with zero interest rates. A couple of ticks up and each of these states become the walking dead.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 26, 2014 09:07 AM (oDCMR)

48 And they're right. The "Middle Class" will go yeah, damn straight, finally someone looking out for us. WARREN FOR PRESIDENT!!!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 09:07 AM (0LHZx)

49 Elizabeth, a nation of casino workers turns its lonely eyes to you and your card-counting ways. Hey hey hey. Hey hey hey.

Posted by: Joe Bid...stay at November 26, 2014 09:07 AM (KG1MP)

50 You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows...

Posted by: tu3031 at November 26, 2014 09:08 AM (i0wGQ)

51 If history is any indicator, the Democrats will be able to successfully bait and switch. We do not have any ideological leaders in GOPe to counter any of this positioning and posturing. Hell, the GOP no longer campaigns on smaller government or lower taxes for all. In fact the GOP has become a Seinfeld episode. A Party About Nothing.

Posted by: Kreplach at November 26, 2014 09:08 AM (bKSy7)

52 I'm getting whiplash from all of the Democrat head fakes.

Liars gotta lie.

Posted by: Fritz at November 26, 2014 09:08 AM (UzPAd)

53 Well, I knew there was no debate about whether it was the right thing to do.

That's certainly true.  When you fixate on "if" you can do something, it's easy to overlook the question of whether you should.

Control of the Border.
Regulation of citizenship/naturalization and immigration.
National Defense.
Setting of weights and measures.
Establishing and enforcing treaties.
Regulating trade between the States.

That's really the summation of what the Federal Government *should* be doing.  If it's not one of those things (and if you have to "argue" that it is, then it isn't), the Feds should have no part of it.

Posted by: AllenG (DedicatedTenther) with a new job at November 26, 2014 09:08 AM (kff5f)

54 What this statement proves to me is that Schumer is not in such a safe seat that he can just completely defend Obamacare. He has to (or at least thinks he has to) put some separation between Obama and Obamacare and himself.

He isn't a dumb politician - he recognizes that the political winds have shifted.

Posted by: SH

 

Again, I have no reason to believe this.

 

We do know that he's heading into the minority.

We know that there's a decent chance that the subsidies will get flushed.

They'll then need to 'fix' this piece of shit.

Which means he needs retuglickkans to be stupid. otherwise, this dem monstrosity crashes.

And, they're already doing battlespace preperation for 2016. Unless someone provides polling evidence of vulnerability in NY, there's no reason to speculate further.

 

Posted by: Blue hen at November 26, 2014 09:09 AM (Spluw)

55 Elizabeth, a nation of casino workers turns its lonely eyes to you and your card-counting ways. Hey hey hey. Hey hey hey. - Actual Donk acknowledgement that O-care is a disaster: The Sound of Silence.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 26, 2014 09:09 AM (XUKZU)

56 I pick up some part time work during Open Enrollment, mostly for booze money. I'm working with one of the Blues as an inbound call rep. The number of callers that complain about the ACA/ObamaCare is significant. We can't comment or get into politics, it's just 'well we do what we can to comply with ..." One caller a 26yo city gal who just aged off her parent's policy called in. She said "I have some questions that I think I know the answer to if I'm right I might become a Republican and take up smoking by the end of this call." Well. She was right. She's being asked to pay about $2500 for a policy which gives her 3 well check appts for 'free' but then she has to pay $6,350 out of pocket if she's actually sick before benefits kick in. Which she thought was insane. Well. I resisted the urge to tell her to pick up as much free birth control as she could. Because it's free and, apparently, important. I recommended she try Benson and Hedges 120s.

Posted by: Long Time Moron Horde Member at November 26, 2014 09:09 AM (4CVLy)

57 47 If you want to see Schumer squeal then raise interest rates. NY, CA, and IL are on life support with zero interest rates. A couple of ticks up and each of these states become the walking dead. Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 26, 2014 02:07 PM (oDCMR) ______ No they won't. Obama will bail them out just like bailed out Detroit. It's why Dems in these states don't have to worry about fiscal realities. They know Uncle Sugar Daddy Barack will be there.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 09:09 AM (0LHZx)

58 And its about the middle class. I think super secret wonder polling the Democrats gathered are telling them that they almost totally lost the middle class this last election. So they're trying to find ways to reach out to that bloc again.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 26, 2014 09:10 AM (39g3+)

59 As I said yesterday, I think the immigration action is going to hurt Schumer and many of his fellow democrats pretty badly. Obamacare is already hurting him. They cannot support actions that 60% of the country are against without facing some vulnerability - even in deep blue states. They have to mitigate their positions on one or both (and in the end, I think it will be both). Keep the pressure on boys.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 09:10 AM (gmeXX)

60 Has Schumer noticed that Obama is black? Here's the thing: The Democratic party depends on monolithic black voting along with very high turnout. Their loyalties will be tested. Note that Obama did not go to Ferguson and is kissing up to the Hispanics (via illegals) after having kissed up to the gheys. The short term for Democrats has the potential to be devastating. Will blacks just abandon Obama (passive-aggressively, of course) or will they rise up angrily against those who try to damage his legacy?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 26, 2014 09:11 AM (L2xDv)

61 At this point, after all we have seen, heard and experienced first hand, the Golden Rule is: Any time a Democrat's lips move, he/she is LYING. That is all.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 09:11 AM (CMkNk)

62 But Schumer (and Warren, and Hillary too) hope that the And The Middle Class is enough of a cheap date to just accept some emotional grousing, rather than demanding specific action to alleviate their burdens. Wait. You are saying that Chuck Schumer is being a prevaricating crapweasel. Oh my stars and garters, I refuse to believe that.

Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at November 26, 2014 09:11 AM (mf5HN)

63 Republicans never do this. Which is why they lose. And yes, they always lose. Even when they win like in 2010 and 2014 they lose long term since the Democrat agenda is still enacted.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 09:11 AM (0LHZx)

64 You can't underestimate how stupid the democrats think we all are and the contempt they feel toward us all -- their base and us as well.  Certainly their own supporters are that stupid (given how they have to be force-fed the answers to the whys of progressivism in order to get through a holiday meal with their "stupid" rightwing relatives).

I hope we can prove them wrong in 2016, but with millions of uneducated illegals bulking up the democrat voter roles, it'll be an incredibly tough row to hoe.

Posted by: elaine at November 26, 2014 09:11 AM (Y0Piu)

65 Throw in the fact that the Exchanges are a cluster-fuck of goat-roping bureaucrats and ... well ... a great many of the Democrat Base are discovering that Reality involves basic mathematics - none of which are involved in ObamaCare.

Posted by: Long Time Moron Horde Member at November 26, 2014 09:11 AM (4CVLy)

66 Blue hen - i have no access to polling data (or no desire to look up). I certainly do no live there. I'd welcome perspective from residents of NY. You are right that i am merely speculating. This is my educated guess based on his statements, based on the current political trends, etc. I could be wrong, but I think I have a good reading on this. Time will tell.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 09:12 AM (gmeXX)

67 Oh my stars and garters, I refuse to believe that. Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at November 26, 2014 02:11 PM (mf5HN) Hang on a second....

Posted by: BCochran1981 Esq. at November 26, 2014 09:12 AM (da5Wo)

68 Does anyone need an authentic first nations crab recipes for thanksgiving?

Posted by: Elizabeth Warren at November 26, 2014 09:12 AM (alx3E)

69 What this statement proves to me is that Schumer is not in such a safe seat that he can just completely defend Obamacare. He has to (or at least thinks he has to) put some separation between Obama and Obamacare and himself. He isn't a dumb politician - he recognizes that the political winds have shifted. - there is a pretty funny movie called Cold Souls about an actor who has his soul but in storage so he can act better. Schumer did that a long time ago.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 26, 2014 09:12 AM (XUKZU)

70 No they won't. Obama will bail them out just like bailed out Detroit. It's why Dems in these states don't have to worry about fiscal realities. They know Uncle Sugar Daddy Barack will be there. -------------------------- Uncle Sugar has to ask the racist Senate and House to bail out a deep blue state - cuz too big to fail - methinks this request goes into that Harry Reid circular file.

Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 26, 2014 09:12 AM (oDCMR)

71 "I think the posturing will lead to some big new Middle Class Entitlement"


As bizarro as this is on just a conceptual level, I think you're right.


Progs: "I know, we can buy more votes if we get the middle class to give us the power pay more for something they could already get.


Sure it'll drive up inflation, but just think of the stimulus!"

Posted by: Burn the Witch at November 26, 2014 09:12 AM (xSCb6)

72 The Democrats pretty much make their living on perpetuating painfully failed policies and preventing any kind of meaningful reform. Why would it be any different this time?

Posted by: Cato at November 26, 2014 09:12 AM (3HxZe)

73 It's like a contest. Who's the biggest scumbag in the senate.
And every day there's a new contestant...

Posted by: tu3031 at November 26, 2014 09:13 AM (i0wGQ)

74 Which means he needs retuglickkans to be stupid. Posted by: Blue hen at November 26, 2014 02:09 PM (Spluw) --------- It's in the bag.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 26, 2014 09:13 AM (z27Ny)

75 64 You can't underestimate how stupid the democrats think we all are and the contempt they feel toward us all -- their base and us as well. Certainly their own supporters are that stupid (given how they have to be force-fed the answers to the whys of progressivism in order to get through a holiday meal with their "stupid" rightwing relatives). I hope we can prove them wrong in 2016, but with millions of uneducated illegals bulking up the democrat voter roles, it'll be an incredibly tough row to hoe. Posted by: elaine at November 26, 2014 02:11 PM (Y0Piu) __________________ The sad fact is that MOST Americans are pretty stupid. Or if not stupid, uninformed. Look at the elections from this month. Even is deep red states like Arkansas, they passed minimum wage increases. These weren't illegals voting, it was "real Americans" voting. And they still voted no differently than how San Francisco voted with regards to the minimum wage.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 09:14 AM (0LHZx)

76 Oh my stars and garters, I refuse to believe that. Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at November 26, 2014 02:11 PM (mf5HN) You're wearing garters?

Posted by: Insomniac at November 26, 2014 09:14 AM (DrWcr)

77 Republicans never do this. Which is why they lose. And yes, they always lose. Even when they win like in 2010 and 2014 they lose long term since the Democrat agenda is still enacted. ---- What do you mean by this? Plenty of republicans tried to put some separation between their war vote and their actual position ahead of the 2006 election. For many it didn't work. From a politcal perspective this is similar. Obviously, that does not mean I am equating the passage of Obamacare with the Iraq war.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 09:14 AM (gmeXX)

78 If Chuck U said it, I don't believe it.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 26, 2014 09:15 AM (LA7Cm)

79 Blue hen - i have no access to polling data (or no desire to look up). I certainly do no live there. I'd welcome perspective from residents of NY. You are right that i am merely speculating. This is my educated guess based on his statements, based on the current political trends, etc. I could be wrong, but I think I have a good reading on this. Time will tell.

Posted by: SH

 

True, you could be right. I'm confining myself to what i know. If anyone of the senate dems could get way saying a line of utter shit, it's him. I suspect that this is the reason HE said it. This is the SOB who was stabbing the gang of 8 in the back while they were 'negotiating'. It's what this vermin does.

Posted by: Blue hen at November 26, 2014 09:15 AM (Spluw)

80 Uncle Sugar has to ask the racist Senate and House to bail out a deep blue state - cuz too big to fail - methinks this request goes into that Harry Reid circular file. Posted by: Super Creepy Rob Lowe at November 26, 2014 02:12 PM (oDCMR) ___________ Well he also has to ask congress for amnesty. And we know how that went. He didn't ask Harry Reid's permission to bail out Detroit did he? He just did it. And nobody said a peep about it.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 09:15 AM (0LHZx)

81 Personally, I think the GOP should reinstitute the social security tax cut from a few years back. I know I would enjoy it.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 09:15 AM (gmeXX)

82 Anderson Cooper gets schooled by Cheech Marin in Jeopardy But-but-but, weed makes you stoopid!!!!

Posted by: Citizen X at November 26, 2014 09:16 AM (7ObY1)

83 Guts for garters...for trade. Need see evidence

Posted by: Brave use all Buffalo Snowjob, acquire hot pics at November 26, 2014 09:16 AM (KG1MP)

84 >>>Does anyone need an authentic first nations crab recipes for thanksgiving?<<<

No, but can you provide an illustration for the Drawn Butter dance?

Posted by: Fritz at November 26, 2014 09:17 AM (UzPAd)

85 I googled around for a while yesterday trying to find a quote of Chuck U calling opponents of O-care racist but no joy. I'm sure there is one out thee somewhere.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 26, 2014 09:17 AM (XUKZU)

86 68 Does anyone need an authentic first nations crab recipes for thanksgiving? But Crabs=MURDER, Cheekbones.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 26, 2014 09:17 AM (7ObY1)

87 We can look to Europe to see what entitlements they have that we don't to predict what Democrats will do. Free college is a big one over there.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 26, 2014 09:17 AM (zwdxl)

88 "I think the posturing will lead to some big new Middle Class Entitlement"


As bizarro as this is on just a conceptual level, I think you're right.


Progs: "I know, we can buy more votes if we get the middle class to give us the power pay more for something they could already get.


Sure it'll drive up inflation, but just think of the stimulus!"

Posted by: Burn the Witch

 

Future headline: Middle class college loan 'investment' Act passes in an historically dazzling show of bi-partisanship.

Sponsored by Princess Running joke.

Containing a 'fix' for the subsidies.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 26, 2014 09:18 AM (Spluw)

89 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 02:14 PM (0LHZx) That's because they don't teach economics in this country anymore. They don't understand that you have to make money before you can pay it out to employees. Forcing them to pay more means they have to make more, which means more expensive products or less jobs. But hey, don't let a little thing like logic get in the way of feel-good solutions that are rendered meaningless as soon as the price of everything in the supply chain adjusts to build in the new labor cost.

Posted by: Cato at November 26, 2014 09:18 AM (3HxZe)

90

You're wearing garters?

 

Better to..oh never mind.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 26, 2014 09:18 AM (sWgE+)

91 True, you could be right. I'm confining myself to what i know. If anyone of the senate dems could get way saying a line of utter shit, it's him. I suspect that this is the reason HE said it. This is the SOB who was stabbing the gang of 8 in the back while they were 'negotiating'. It's what this vermin does. ----- Oh I think its utter shit because I think it is a complete fabrication of what he believes. And I certainly have no facts that would suggest he is not vermin.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 09:18 AM (gmeXX)

92 Anderson Cooper gets schooled by Cheech Marin in Jeopardy - And Anderson ends with a big $0.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 26, 2014 09:18 AM (XUKZU)

93 Free college is a big one over there.

Posted by: Costanza Defense

 

Dude, we're haunted.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 26, 2014 09:18 AM (Spluw)

94 In fact the GOP has become a Seinfeld episode. Shrinkage. Major shrinkage.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 26, 2014 09:19 AM (7ObY1)

95 In order to assure that Cheap Date will be available for a second or third round, be sure to call the next day, and send gifts. Once you have your target fully engaged, remain fully engaged, and keep your operational tempo at a maximum.

Posted by: Idly Obscurtia at November 26, 2014 09:19 AM (aOAmR)

96 "In fact the GOP has become a Seinfeld episode. Shrinkage. Major shrinkage. " Yada, yada, yada....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 26, 2014 09:19 AM (LA7Cm)

97 So, Anderson Cooper really took it in the ass on Jeopardy, huh? #CouldntResist

Posted by: Citizen X at November 26, 2014 09:19 AM (7ObY1)

98 I WAS IN THE POOL!

Posted by: The RNC at November 26, 2014 09:20 AM (rwI+c)

99 Posted by: Blue Hen at November 26, 2014 02:18 PM (Spluw) Future News: Buy Everyone a Ferrari act passes. Ferrari stock closes at 14992.63. Lefties praise it as an economic miracle. Future News 1 Month Later: USA in Chapter 11. Asset sales to China expected. Every major city burnt to the ground by mobs asking "Where's my Ferrari?"

Posted by: Cato at November 26, 2014 09:21 AM (3HxZe)

100 Free college is a big one over there. Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 26, 2014 02:17 PM (zwdxl) I don't see that happening here. The universities simply make too much money with the status quo, and "free college" would necessarily reduce their revenues, and even put many of them out of business.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 26, 2014 09:21 AM (vgIRn)

101 Things that are true but that Boner will never say: It became very clear to me sitting out there today that every decision I've made in my entire life has been wrong. My life is the complete opposite of everything I want it to be. Every instinct I have, in every aspect of life, be it something to wear, something to eat - it's all been wrong.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 26, 2014 09:21 AM (XUKZU)

102 I've often wondered this. Who do federal tax-exemptions most benefit? Conservatives in general are more charitable so you could argue it benefits conservatives come tax time. But liberals love giving to charities that may not be truly charitable (e.g., colleges, symphonies, etc.). So if you eliminated tax-exemptions and charitable deductions who would benefit and who would be punished.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 09:21 AM (gmeXX)

103 Oh my stars and garters, I refuse to believe that. Posted by: alexthechick - Commence drinking now. at November 26, 2014 02:11 PM (mf5HN) You're wearing garters? Posted by: Insomniac at November 26, 2014 02:14 PM (DrWcr) *********** I just wanna know where the Stars are....

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at November 26, 2014 09:21 AM (32Ze2)

104 We'll sign up to free college if it's deficit-neutral. And we'll make sure we wicker the scoring rules so that it is.

Posted by: John and Mitch at November 26, 2014 09:22 AM (HBAcW)

105 I don't see that happening here. The universities simply make too much money with the status quo, and "free college" would necessarily reduce their revenues, and even put many of them out of business.

Posted by: Just Some Guy

 

Funny. i remember someone saying that very thing about some other activity. Wonder what it was.........

Posted by: Jon Gruber at November 26, 2014 09:22 AM (Spluw)

106 "In fact the GOP has become a Seinfeld episode. Shrinkage. Major shrinkage. " Yada, yada, yada.... ----- Its not a lie if you believe it.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 09:22 AM (gmeXX)

107 I don't see that happening here. The universities simply make too much money with the status quo, and "free college" would necessarily reduce their revenues, and even put many of them out of business. Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 26, 2014 02:21 PM (vgIRn) _____________ They could do an Obamacare version of it. Everyone has to go to college and if you're "poor" the govt picks up the tab.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 09:23 AM (0LHZx)

108 We know you're paying Eleventy Billion dollars for college on your own.

To make it easier, we're going to extract even more money from you and pay colleges Eleventy Kajillion dollars on your behalf.






Posted by: The Government at November 26, 2014 09:23 AM (xSCb6)

109 I lie every second of the day. My whole life is a sham. -- John Boehner

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 26, 2014 09:23 AM (XUKZU)

110 When I poke at the log in the fireplace this weekend I will see Mitch McConnell's turkey neck.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at November 26, 2014 09:23 AM (XzRw1)

111

I just wanna know where the Stars are....

 

2 words Janet Jackson.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 26, 2014 09:23 AM (sWgE+)

112 Like a frightened turtle.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 26, 2014 09:24 AM (rwI+c)

113 Haven't we said this would happen. At some point they are going to throw Obama under the bus, because it is never their ideology or policies. In this case it isn't Obamacare that was bad, just the timing of it. We've known this was coming.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 09:24 AM (gmeXX)

114 The next entitlement will be "free" pre-school. And if you're against it you hate women AND small kids. It's a perfect wedge issue that will get LIVs and NIVs to the polls for Warren/Clinton

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 09:25 AM (0LHZx)

115 "82 Anderson Cooper gets schooled by Cheech Marin in Jeopardy


But-but-but, weed makes you stoopid!!!!

Posted by: Citizen X at November 26, 2014 02:16 PM (7ObY1)"



A few years ago Cheech Marin said something like he no longer found the dumb stoner character to be funny so he stopped doing it.  I don't know what goes on in his private life.


And, yes.  Weed does make you stupid.  That doesn't mean it should be illegal.  It does mean that consumption, particularly heavy consumption is a suboptimal life choice.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at November 26, 2014 09:25 AM (PD6iL)

116 The universities simply make too much money with the status quo, and "free college" would necessarily reduce their revenues, and even put many of them out of business. Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 26, 2014 02:21 PM (vgIRn) Au contraire. The colleges have made out like bandits in the era of "party now, pay later." Student loan forgiveness would perpetuate the system, not end it.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at November 26, 2014 09:25 AM (HBAcW)

117 Ever read Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus? Women complain to be heard, not to get things fixed. This oh we hear you this sucks is going to work with women. Because they still want their free pills.

Posted by: blaster at November 26, 2014 09:25 AM (Rx8ML)

118 They could do an Obamacare version of it. Everyone has to go to college and if you're "poor" the govt picks up the tab. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 02:23 PM (0LHZx) Right. That's kind of what I'm saying (poorly). A giant redistribution of "college" would necessarily reduce overall revenues to the providers, force many of them out, and reduce quality. And also like Ocare, the rich will simply continue to pay out of pocket, the poor get free stuff, and the middle class gets crapped on. Again.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 26, 2014 09:26 AM (vgIRn)

119 The Republican Party: Not that there's anything wrong with it

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 09:26 AM (0LHZx)

120 Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorence on this thing, because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing is frowned upon... you know, cause I've worked in a lot of offices, and I tell you, people do that all the time. --John Boehner

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 26, 2014 09:27 AM (XUKZU)

121 Steve Sailer @Steve_Sailer 6m Ferguson: The Night of the Undocumented Shoppers http://tinyurl.com/nyb99tk

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 26, 2014 09:27 AM (zwdxl)

122 At some point they are going to throw Obama under the bus, because it is never their ideology or policies. In this case it isn't Obamacare that was bad, just the timing of it. We've known this was coming.

Posted by: SH

 

True. But we need to hang on to the essential fact; it's theater. This is like a CEO blaming things on his predecessor AFTER the guy got his golden parachute. Obama loses nothing, nor do they. If Pres Boyfriend's polling numbers somehow revive, this will blow away.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 26, 2014 09:27 AM (Spluw)

123 O/T but I just got my daily afternoon update email from Crain's Cleveland Business.  I open it and lo and behold, their editor had lauded the folks over at Vox for proclaiming that fighting with relatives at holidays is actually a sign of a great relationship.

I left a comment on the story telling them shame on you for endorsing familial strife at holiday gatherings.  Nothing is sacred to the Left.  Nothing.

Posted by: bicentennialguy at November 26, 2014 09:28 AM (vg8iE)

124 White man speak with forked toung - and it tickles!

Posted by: Fauxahontas at November 26, 2014 09:28 AM (8MjqI)

125 Free pre-school also has the benefit that pre-schoolers are now majority non-white -- so any white person who opposes it is obviously racist.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 26, 2014 09:28 AM (zwdxl)

126 Right. That's kind of what I'm saying (poorly). A giant redistribution of "college" would necessarily reduce overall revenues to the providers, force many of them out, and reduce quality. And also like Ocare, the rich will simply continue to pay out of pocket, the poor get free stuff, and the middle class gets crapped on. Again. Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 26, 2014 02:26 PM (vgIRn) _________ Yeah but Obamacare has actually been pretty good for health insurance companies. Aetna's stock price up 300% since Obamacare became law.When the govt forces people to buy your product, it tends to do nice things for your income statement. Colleges would be no different.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 09:29 AM (0LHZx)

127 Everyone has to go to college

Bast, that's the last thing we need.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 26, 2014 09:29 AM (ZKzrr)

128 82 Anderson Cooper gets schooled by Cheech Marin in Jeopardy But-but-but, weed makes you stoopid!!!! Posted by: Citizen X at November 26, 2014 02:16 PM (7ObY1) Honest question: Who do you think has had more weed in the past 5 years, Cheech Marin or Anderson Cooper?

Posted by: AmishDude at November 26, 2014 09:29 AM (L2xDv)

129 "They could do an Obamacare version of it. Everyone has to go to college and if you're "poor" the govt picks up the tab.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 02:23 PM (0LHZx)"



They already did an "everyone has to go to college" rule with the Griggs v.Duke Power Supreme Court decision. 

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at November 26, 2014 09:29 AM (PD6iL)

130 "Women complain to be heard, not to get things fixed." *Looks. Gives nod. Runs away*

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 26, 2014 09:29 AM (LA7Cm)

131 The Turtle: I've been living a lie. Boehner: You've been living a lie? I've been living... like twenty.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 26, 2014 09:30 AM (XUKZU)

132

 proclaiming that fighting with relatives at holidays is actually a sign of a great relationship

 

Word.

Posted by: zombie Jefferson Davis at November 26, 2014 09:30 AM (Spluw)

133 Au contraire. The colleges have made out like bandits in the era of "party now, pay later." Student loan forgiveness would perpetuate the system, not end it. Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at November 26, 2014 02:25 PM (HBAcW) ************ Right. I guess I was envisioning some "single payer" type of university system. No, you're right. Colleges love them that sweet, sweet nondischargeable debt. They'd never go along with loan forgiveness. 'Cause then, heaven forfend, market forces might start coming into play, and they'd have to provide a decent product at a competitive price. Gender Studies and Queer Theory departments nationwide would disappear.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 26, 2014 09:30 AM (vgIRn)

134 125 Free pre-school also has the benefit that pre-schoolers are now majority non-white -- so any white person who opposes it is obviously racist. Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 26, 2014 02:28 PM (zwdxl) _____________ Tru dat

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 09:30 AM (0LHZx)

135 True. But we need to hang on to the essential fact; it's theater. This is like a CEO blaming things on his predecessor AFTER the guy got his golden parachute. Obama loses nothing, nor do they. If Pres Boyfriend's polling numbers somehow revive, this will blow away. ---- Agree completely. It is all theatre. We shouldn't let him get away with it. The NY GOP (if there is any) should keep hammering on Schumer over Obamacare. Make him play defense. Make the Dems spend money to save his seat. When you are winning you win seats you probably shouldn't win. There is no reason not to make a real play for his seat.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 09:31 AM (gmeXX)

136 Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 02:29 PM (0LHZx) Administrators and professors would probably be able to write their own salaries, and the cost of education would go through the roof, and we'd end up with one great big expensive boondoggle on the taxpayer dime. Not to mention the fact that everyone in the country would have to pass through the propaganda mill of the modern university system.

Posted by: Cato at November 26, 2014 09:31 AM (3HxZe)

137 After seeing what UVA is doing to fraternities - who would want to go to college at this point?

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 09:31 AM (gmeXX)

138

 "Women complain to be heard, not to get things fixed."

 

We can resolve this once aTc stops bitching and answers.

Posted by: Did he just say that!?! at November 26, 2014 09:31 AM (Spluw)

139 No. Everyone has to graduate college. Also, "Dick & Jane Buy DIldoes" is the new AP English coursework.

Posted by: Bumpersticker Notary Sojac at November 26, 2014 09:31 AM (MbqmP)

140 good question. Charles C. Johnson @ChuckCJohnson 6m Why do we call #MichaelBrown's "stepfather" his stepfather if Louis Head wasn't married to his mother?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 26, 2014 09:32 AM (zwdxl)

141 I WAS IN THE POOL!?

Posted by: Al sharpton at November 26, 2014 09:32 AM (alx3E)

142 Administrators and professors would probably be able to write their own salaries, and the cost of education would go through the roof, and we'd end up with one great big expensive boondoggle on the taxpayer dime. Not to mention the fact that everyone in the country would have to pass through the propaganda mill of the modern university system. Posted by: Cato at November 26, 2014 02:31 PM (3HxZe) __________ Exactly. Which is why Democrats want it so badly.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 09:32 AM (0LHZx)

143 "Aetna's stock price up 300% since Obamacare became law." Finger to nose. All in it together and we're the screwee. My company is dropping insurance and going with a 3rd party broker.......and my cost is still going up about 25%.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 26, 2014 09:32 AM (LA7Cm)

144 123 O/T but I just got my daily afternoon update email from Crain's Cleveland Business. I open it and lo and behold, their editor had lauded the folks over at Vox for proclaiming that fighting with relatives at holidays is actually a sign of a great relationship. Well, it IS Cleveland.

Posted by: bergerbilder at November 26, 2014 09:32 AM (8MjqI)

145

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 26, 2014 02:29 PM (LA7Cm)

 

 

Don't worry the empress seems to be in a forgiving mood today. *wink**wink*

Posted by: wrg500 at November 26, 2014 09:33 AM (sWgE+)

146 One of the greatest victories of the Democrats, is that they convinced the Right that there are no divisions amongst themselves. That they are lock step into the Progressive future... I don't see ANYBODY on the Right even trying to peal off some of those Dems... They did not try in the Senate... where Dem Senators own power was Co Opted by Harry Reid... to the point where DEMOCRAT Senators votes meant nothing... And they see the result.... as HALF of those who voted for O'care.... are now no longer Senators... EVERYONE in media talks about the split in Conservatives between the TEA, and GOPe... No one even really HINTS that there are divisions in the Dems.... when human nature itself says there will be.

Posted by: The Big Bad Wolf at November 26, 2014 09:33 AM (f0pWu)

147 fighting with relatives at holidays is actually a sign of a great relationship. ---- I've said it before, but if you can't drink and make fun of your leftist relatives, what's the point. For the first time in a while we have a reason to gloat. I say take advantage of it while the pickens are good.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 09:34 AM (gmeXX)

148 My company is dropping insurance and going with a 3rd party broker.......and my cost is still going up about 25%. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 26, 2014 02:32 PM (LA7Cm) __________ What do you mean? A broker is just a middle man. A broker sells insurance. So how is your company dropping insurance yet using a broker?

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 09:34 AM (0LHZx)

149 .....Or is this how they segue into Grubering the American People into Single-Payer (their ultimate objective)?

Posted by: MtTB at November 26, 2014 09:34 AM (sCHw2)

150

We can resolve this once aTc stops bitching and answers.

 

Mmm, I thought that was the teacher from Charlie Brown. wonk, wonk, wonk.

Posted by: wrg500 at November 26, 2014 09:34 AM (sWgE+)

151 Anderson Cooper has smoked more pipe.

Posted by: Garrett at November 26, 2014 09:34 AM (alx3E)

152 Honest question: Who do you think has had more weed in the past 5 years, Cheech Marin or Anderson Cooper?


I would think toss up.

2nd Honest question: Who do you think has had more gerbils inserted into their anus?

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at November 26, 2014 09:36 AM (XzRw1)

153 >>What this statement proves to me is that Schumer is not in such a safe seat that he can just completely defend Obamacare. He has to (or at least thinks he has to) put some separation between Obama and Obamacare and himself. I think its bigger. I've always thought that Americans would be repelled when they saw what Obama did, not what he said but what his actual policies wrought. Because real liberal policies are not popular with Americans. Its why most of Obama's real policy was delayed until after he was re-elected. What Obama is doing right now is trashing liberalism for the next decade or so and smart Dems realize it. They need to prove that they are centrists really and that they care about the middle class (trademark pending) and that it was all Obama's fault for dragging them so far left. Obama never would have been elected if people were allowed to see what he really intended to do. We can thank the msm for that.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 26, 2014 09:36 AM (g1DWB)

154 Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 26, 2014 02:32 PM (LA7Cm) It's happening everywhere. What people don't understand is that Obamacare is actually fascism. That level of collusion between government and business is alien to both capitalism and communism. The state names the tune, and their chosen winners dance to it. Politicians get kickbacks from industry, industry gets anti-competitive laws and regulations that make them the only game in town. The political and business elite merge into a controlling aristocracy, and everyone else is fucked. They'll bring it to every industry if we let them, and just like health insurance, they'll make laws that you buy their product Or Else.

Posted by: Cato at November 26, 2014 09:36 AM (3HxZe)

155 Hey! It looks like Hagel is going to get to stay, after all. I just saw a news story that Obama is going to pardon the national turkey.

Posted by: West at November 26, 2014 09:36 AM (1Rgee)

156 The next entitlement will be "free" pre-school. And if you're against it you hate women AND small kids. It's a perfect wedge issue that will get LIVs and NIVs to the polls for Warren/Clinton Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 02:25 PM (0LHZx) Have to agree with Moo Moo here. Free preschool and after school programs for working moms. No one should have to pay for day care. Nationalized day care. Think is sounds far fetched? Look where we are today.... I would add that not only will it be aimed at working moms, but all the new illegals, how are they supposed to work and get off of welfare if they can't afford child care.... Raising the minimum wage will also be the next battle cry. Along with forgiving student debt. Just wipe out any loans and bailout the banks that made them. All of this will be wrapped in the sparkly paper of "helping the middle class".

Posted by: Jen the original at November 26, 2014 09:37 AM (hjTr7)

157 OT: I mentioned this morning the bullshit article about global warming shrinking the kid and now WZ's got it. http://tinyurl.com/o9sehbv

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 26, 2014 09:37 AM (XUKZU)

158 Posted by: The Big Bad Wolf at November 26, 2014 02:33 PM (f0pWu) _________ Of course there are divisions. Get any 100 people in a room and they will have different views on things. But what the Dems do is put aside those divisions and come together to advance socialism. They may not all get exactly what they want, but they usually get a little somethn' somthn' to keep them happy. Look at the past week....Obama gave illegals something, he will give blacks something by indicting Darren Wilson on federal charges, he gave enviros something with the insane new EPA laws. Did they all get exactly what they wanted? No. But they got enough to keep them on the plantation.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 09:37 AM (0LHZx)

159 "So how is your company dropping insurance yet using a broker?" Broker may not be the proper term for them. They are a 3rd party that negotiates with facilities and MDs to settle the bill for Medicare rates plus cost. So, not a traditional "Insurer." They essentially sue the price down. More like a legal team.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 26, 2014 09:37 AM (LA7Cm)

160 What kind of dog are they having this year?

Posted by: Boss Moss at November 26, 2014 09:38 AM (ZeBBB)

161 This topic is very interesting to my wife & I would like to order a printed copy for the purpose of distributing my neighbourhood in the 1930s we had prosperity thank to British intervention in the world of high-speed letterpress.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at November 26, 2014 09:38 AM (MbqmP)

162 But Crabs=MURDER, Cheekbones.

Posted by: Citizen X


But, they're bugs, and thus don't count.

Posted by: T. Jeff at November 26, 2014 09:39 AM (/Ho8c)

163 Broker may not be the proper term for them. They are a 3rd party that negotiates with facilities and MDs to settle the bill for Medicare rates plus cost. So, not a traditional "Insurer." They essentially sue the price down. More like a legal team. Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 26, 2014 02:37 PM (LA7Cm) __________ Ahh, OK. Interesting.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 09:39 AM (0LHZx)

164 What kind of dog are they having this year?

Six kinds of pie, with "high-fat European butter."
http://is.gd/6DxIhr

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 26, 2014 09:39 AM (ZKzrr)

165 Too bad I missed that "convert the crazy right-wing uncle-or-aunt at Thanksgiving" thread. I love it when shit like that happens. Because one of my specialties in life is flipping that narrative jiu-jitsu style and double-reverse converting the progressive to our side. I can do this so successfully because, you see, I am not seen or perceived as a conservative by my friends or relatives, so instead of dismissing my views and arguments out of hand -- which they would do if I was "othered" as a conservative -- they actually listen to and internalize my insidious "counter-intuitive" facts, and hoo-boy it gets to them. Little by little I have moved my entire family and social circle about 40% rightward over the years and they don't even know it -- they don't know my plan, and they don't even know they've moved rightward. They merely think they've integrated some "common sense" into their leftwing worldviews, unaware that looming up ahead is a breaking point when the common sense overwhelms the progressive religious zeal and suddenly they will find themselves changing sides. Most people end up changing sides as they age into wisdom anyway - my subtle shenanigans merely accelerates the process.

Posted by: zombie at November 26, 2014 09:40 AM (K4YiS)

166 Rosie Gray is a Buzzfeed editor. Charles C. Johnson @ChuckCJohnson 21m Rosie Gray once published an oppo hit piece from Cory Booker against me. So here are some S&M photos of her. twitter.com/ChuckCJohnson/status/482417460709437440

Posted by: Separate but Stupid at November 26, 2014 09:41 AM (zwdxl)

167 Look at the past week....Obama gave illegals something, he will give blacks something by indicting Darren Wilson on federal charges, he gave enviros something with the insane new EPA laws. Did they all get exactly what they wanted? No. But they got enough to keep them on the plantation. Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 02:37 PM (0LHZx) The movements are getting something... Individuals are getting thrown under the bus... Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs would come into play IF the GOPe, and Right Wing Talking Heads, would give some of these Dems a chance...

Posted by: The Big Bad Wolf at November 26, 2014 09:41 AM (f0pWu)

168 Posted by: zombie at November 26, 2014 02:40 PM (K4YiS) That's the way to do it. Don't attack directly, undermine the foundation.

Posted by: Cato at November 26, 2014 09:42 AM (3HxZe)

169 Posted by: zombie at November 26, 2014 02:40 PM (K4YiS) __________ Your methodology is perfect. And it's why the right-wing media, no matter how big it gets, will never influence people. When a "conservative" website says something, it's dismissed outright. When a "non-political" web site says something, it's important.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 09:42 AM (0LHZx)

170 I Looted The Dollar Store And All I Got Was This Lousy T-Shirt!

Posted by: Be Like Mike! at November 26, 2014 09:42 AM (KKP6T)

171 Off to take Boy to meet his birth father. Wish me luck.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at November 26, 2014 09:42 AM (V22Sh)

172 "'Cause then, heaven forfend, market forces might start coming into play, and they'd have to provide a decent product at a competitive price. Gender Studies and Queer Theory departments nationwide would disappear.

Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 26, 2014 02:30 PM (vgIRn)"



The thing is that thanks to Griggs v.Duke Power there is some value to even a Gender Studies degree.


That decision said that businesses could not test job applicants for IQ, aptitude or even literacy if the test results resulted in "disparate impact" i.e. if blacks did worse on the test than whites.  However, they did leave the loophole that businesses could require a college degree for jobs that previously had not required one.


The degree means that you can probably read, write and count to eleven without dropping your pants.  It means that you have enough self discipline to stick it out for four years and enough sense to drop the classes that are too hard for you and the 8 AM classes if you can't manage to get up that early.


The problem is not so much with the worthless degrees as much as that Obama's golden touch has brought the economy to a halt and there are not a lot of places hiring these days.  With lots of applicants and few job openings, employers can be very selective indeed.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at November 26, 2014 09:43 AM (PD6iL)

173 Off to take Boy to meet his birth father. Wish me luck.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter

 

The best of luck to everyone.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 26, 2014 09:43 AM (Spluw)

174 Off to take Boy to meet his birth father. Wish me luck.

Hope you all have a good day.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 26, 2014 09:45 AM (ZKzrr)

175 Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at November 26, 2014 02:43 PM (PD6iL) So by that standard... your four year piece of paper, would trump a 4-6 year Military contract.

Posted by: The Big Bad Wolf at November 26, 2014 09:45 AM (f0pWu)

176 Wow, GGE. Yeah, good luck with that.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 26, 2014 09:45 AM (LA7Cm)

177 Elizabeth Warren(!!!) is a lying douchebag(!!!)

Posted by: Tex Lovera at November 26, 2014 09:45 AM (wtvvX)

178 Hmmm. Rosie Gray has kind of a big schnozzola, but I'd still hit that.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 26, 2014 09:46 AM (7ObY1)

179 What's the code again for 3rd distal interphalangeal joint laceration; right side; with riot; instigating?

Posted by: In the ACA coder's office at November 26, 2014 09:46 AM (Fj7tq)

180 Where is OUR message machine??

Posted by: Please Don't Squeeze The Soothsayer at November 26, 2014 09:47 AM (Knv95)

181

So JackStraw, how (in practical terms) do you see your long-foreseen American rejection of the disaster of O-care actually playing out?  I mean, what do you expect Congress to do in the next 2 years about it, and how will that turn out?

 

Recall that health care finance/pricing was already massively screwed up (almost the entire reason costs had risen so dramatically over the last 40 years), and needed fundamental (and, of course, completely opposite) "fixes" or real reforms, prior to O-care.

 

Could be that I've missed it, but I am not aware of any serious and useful package of actual reforms being even talked about, much less proposed, by anyone.  Return to the awful status quo ante (caused entirely by non-medical and non-market factors like Medicare, state-level "regulation" i.e. cartelization, liability shake-down, competition-killing distortions at every turn) would be a big improvement, but seems unlikely the "opposition" party is capable of any more than that.

 

Posted by: rhomboid at November 26, 2014 09:47 AM (afQnV)

182
Shocking that no one 'journalist' asked what he had in mind to help the middle class.

Me as journalist:  Yes Senator, as you say everyone knows obamacare is a sick joke costing the middle class triple premiums for less care, what do you have in mind to rid us of not only that corruption but to actually help the middle class?

*gets fired from cbs*

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at November 26, 2014 09:47 AM (NtzGn)

183 Good luck, GGE!

Posted by: T. Jeff at November 26, 2014 09:48 AM (/Ho8c)

184 Wait, Mooch likes PIE????? Made with LARD???? Why, to steal a phrase from Dana Perino that I don't quite "get" but which I like anyway: I am as confused a squirrel in a room full of disco balls.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 26, 2014 09:48 AM (7ObY1)

185 Talk about malpractice. Roseanne got a chemical peel to make her look "more sexy". http://tinyurl.com/nob9uv6

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 26, 2014 09:48 AM (XUKZU)

186 Off squandering our donations then napping?

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at November 26, 2014 09:48 AM (XzRw1)

187 "I just repeated what you said??"

Posted by: ME, AL SHARPTON! at November 26, 2014 09:48 AM (MNq6o)

188 When I first came here years ago, Ace was a wide-eyed naïve farm boy living in the big city, who expressed wonderment each day at the little things in life. "Boy, this butt fucking sure sounds like a fun thing!" But now, look how cynical he is. He can't even take Chuck Schumer at his word and believe he's honestly sorry about pushing health care instead of focusing on the economy. Where is the trust?

Posted by: jwest at November 26, 2014 09:49 AM (vwlGK)

189 ...confused AS a squirrel in a room full of disco balls. Damned dyslexia.

Posted by: Citizen X at November 26, 2014 09:49 AM (7ObY1)

190 Good luck.

Posted by: Lincolntf at November 26, 2014 09:49 AM (2cS/G)

191 Posted by: Just Some Guy at November 26, 2014 02:30 PM (vgIRn) Student debt is owed to the Department of Educations, not the colleges. They get paid up front, at class registration, with the loan money. Remember when Obama kicked out all the private student loan providers? He did that for a reason.

Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at November 26, 2014 09:49 AM (HBAcW)

192 What's the code again for 3rd distal interphalangeal joint laceration; right side; with riot; instigating?

Just mark it as a turtle bite and call it a day.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 26, 2014 09:49 AM (ZKzrr)

193 185 Talk about malpractice. Roseanne got a chemical peel to make her look "more sexy".

http://tinyurl.com/nob9uv6


Good Lord, I am not thankful for that.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at November 26, 2014 09:51 AM (XzRw1)

194 Six kinds of pie, with "high-fat European butter." http://is.gd/6DxIhr Most excellent. KerriGold and Lurpak are available here. Bonus: The page had an ad for KochCareers.com #WeAreKoch

Posted by: fluffy at November 26, 2014 09:51 AM (Ua6T/)

195 Talk about malpractice. Roseanne got a chemical peel to make her look "more sexy". Could work. She's just one 50 lb. layer of skin away from being more sexy.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 26, 2014 09:51 AM (8ZskC)

196 This is the other F-Chuck trying to be cagey by looking like he is positioning himself closer to the center. Plenty of plausible deniability to use here. He's going after the Minority Leader role and this was the shot across Reid's bow...

Posted by: Tony253 at November 26, 2014 09:51 AM (PryWG)

197 Hmmm. Rosie Gray has kind of a big schnozzola, but I'd still hit that. - Or she'd hit you.

Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 26, 2014 09:51 AM (XUKZU)

198 173 Off to take Boy to meet his birth father. Wish me luck.
Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter




Prayers for you.  I would not go there.  No upside I can see.



Posted by: Nip Sip at November 26, 2014 09:51 AM (0FSuD)

199  but I am not aware of any serious and useful package of actual reforms being even talked about, much less proposed, by anyone. Return to the awful status quo ante (caused entirely by non-medical and non-market factors like Medicare, state-level "regulation" i.e. cartelization, liability shake-down, competition-killing distortions at every turn) would be a big improvement, but seems unlikely the "opposition" party is capable of any more than that.

Posted by: rhomboid

 

There have been several. In February of 2015, The rethuglickkkkkans should intorduce the "We hate trial lawyers and hopefully this will kill them" Act. bash JEF with it. Point out that these weasels are profiting while the middle class is bled by obamacare. That the only one obama really cares about is them.

 

The goal here is not to wait until Chuck delivers yet another shit sandwich and demand that they eat it. Fuck Chuck first.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 26, 2014 09:51 AM (Spluw)

200 Off to take Boy to meet his birth father. Wish me luck. Best of luck to both of you.

Posted by: fluffy at November 26, 2014 09:52 AM (Ua6T/)

201 As awful and expensive O-Care is, it's not going away. Everything the govt does is awful and expensive. Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, the Post Office, Amtrak. You name it. SS has been around for almost 100 years. It gets worse every year and yet anyone who even thinks of reforming it is a political pariah. O-Care will be no different. It's here to stay.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 09:53 AM (0LHZx)

202 Plus he is wisely pinning this on Obama, when Obama really didn't do anything but sign the bill. Its smart politics, voters will likely fall for it. He won't be arguing for repeal, but nor could he continue to simply defend Obamacare.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 02:02 PM (gmeXX)



It's amazing how few people grasp that the President (not even this one) does not initiate legislation - he merely signs it - nor does he appropriate funds. Most people seem to think that a President is on the hook for whatever Congress does, even if the opposition party forced it on him.


So Bush is on the hook for spending all that money appropriated by Dems, whereas Clinton is on the good hook for welfare reform, despite only signing the legislation because Gingrich held a gun to his head.


Civics teachers, if any there still be, must be heavy drinkers.

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i] at November 26, 2014 09:54 AM (oKE6c)

203 What is it about the sequence of passing Obamacare first that had a material effect on the dems passing this other, even more helpful legislation to which Schumer is referring? Are we to understand that they just couldn't get it up again before the end of the session?

Posted by: TexasDan at November 26, 2014 09:54 AM (Z5E4S)

204

Rosie Grey? I prefer Rosie Huntington-Whiteley

http://tinyurl.com/nluv6g7

Posted by: wrg500 at November 26, 2014 09:54 AM (sWgE+)

205 Civics teachers, if any there still be, must be heavy drinkers. Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 26, 2014 02:54 PM (oKE6c) ________ They've all been replaced with "Earth Science" and Sex Ed teachers.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 09:55 AM (0LHZx)

206 "175 Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at November 26, 2014 02:43 PM (PD6iL)

So by that standard... your four year piece of paper, would trump a 4-6 year Military contract.

Posted by: The Big Bad Wolf at November 26, 2014 02:45 PM (f0pWu)"



Well, given how selective the military is today in its recruiting, an honorable discharge is likely to be a good preselection process.  The problem is that if you can't fill all of your positions with veterans, you will have to require a degree in order to keep the EEOC off your ass.  Fending off the EEOC is the primary function of company HR departments.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at November 26, 2014 09:56 AM (PD6iL)

207 Let's not be too hasty. HotAir.com @hotairblog Nonpartisan organization confirms the GOP can defund Obama's immigration order http://hotair.com/?p=2351428

Posted by: John Boehner at November 26, 2014 09:57 AM (zwdxl)

208 truth John Derbyshire* @DerbQOTD Immigration isn't a hard thing for governments to get right: just routine policing and data management.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 26, 2014 09:58 AM (zwdxl)

209 This is not a trial balloon. This is part of the Obama goes under the bus plan. They can't run on Obamacare so they will run away from it.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 26, 2014 09:58 AM (1Y+hH)

210 207 Let's not be too hasty. HotAir.com @hotairblog Nonpartisan organization confirms the GOP can defund Obama's immigration order http://hotair.com/?p=2351428 Posted by: John Boehner at November 26, 2014 02:57 PM (zwdxl) _____________ Of course they can. Question is do they WANT TO? And teh answer is, I think we all know.....fuck no we do not want to.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 09:58 AM (0LHZx)

211 John Derbyshire* @DerbQOTD As we all know, though, nobody much in the government or Congress wants it done. Immigration-wise, this is a one-party state.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 26, 2014 09:58 AM (zwdxl)

212 "204
Rosie Grey? I prefer Rosie Huntington-Whiteley
http://tinyurl.com/nluv6g7

Posted by: wrg500 at November 26, 2014 02:54 PM (sWgE+)"



She seems sadly underwhelming in the chesticle department.

Posted by: Obnoxious A-Hole at November 26, 2014 09:58 AM (PD6iL)

213 Juan Williams is a fucking idiot.  He makes his token position so fucking obvious.



Posted by: Nip Sip at November 26, 2014 10:00 AM (0FSuD)

214 In the spirit of bi[partisanship the GOP will take Obama's EO, copy and paste it into a bill and send it off to Obama to sign. Obama gets exactly what he wants, the GOP is all bi-partisan-y and everyone goes home happy for Christmas.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 10:00 AM (0LHZx)

215 There have been several. In February of 2015, The rethuglickkkkkans should intorduce the "We hate trial lawyers and hopefully this will kill them" Act. bash JEF with it. Point out that these weasels are profiting while the middle class is bled by obamacare. That the only one obama really cares about is them.

Posted by: Blue Hen at November 26, 2014 02:51 PM (Spluw)



I'd start small to generate momentum, and per Glenn Reynolds, eliminate tax breaks for Hollywood. Tough to gin up a lot of popular opposition to that, and tough for a "celebrity" to whine about his pay.

Then I'd make students loans partially chargeable to the universities, so they have some skin in the game. Again, tough to gin up popular opposition. Students and parents alike will be thrilled to see the money-grubbing universities get kicked in the nuts.

Next, maybe tax union dues or something like that, and tax overseas wire transfers that can't show corresponding income. Again, Joe Sixpack won't give a shit about that, but it'll help to undercut Democrat funding and support.

Only later would I go after trial lawyers, one of the very biggest contributors to the Democrat Party, per FEC filings compiled at OpenSecrets.org. Even then, I'd start small, such as a "windfall profits" tax on lawyers in contigency litigation, or something like that. (Haven't thought it through.)

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i] at November 26, 2014 10:00 AM (oKE6c)

216 "Hey guys--that whole thing about screwing around with 1/7 of the economy and making everything fantastic? Just kidding." Somehow, I don't think this is a message that will resonate.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 26, 2014 10:00 AM (659DL)

217 Oh OK Juan, you are a fucking idiot, so lets move on, because you are a fucking idiot

Posted by: Nip Sip at November 26, 2014 10:01 AM (0FSuD)

218 Protips.
http://is.gd/trqW7o

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 26, 2014 10:01 AM (ZKzrr)

219 >>So JackStraw, how (in practical terms) do you see your long-foreseen American rejection of the disaster of O-care actually playing out? I mean, what do you expect Congress to do in the next 2 years about it, and how will that turn out? I wish I knew. But I disagree with your statement that nobody has talked about useful solutions to what ultimately is a pricing problem as you noted. And this problem was largely caused by the federal government when they forced EMTALA on the states. It was a massive overreach of federal responsibility and caused the states to react in a variety of ways, most of them bad. The single biggest cause of the massive price increase in health care and health insurance is the same problem we see whenever government gets involved, they distort the market with subsidies and rules which often (usually) do not take costs into account. I mean who could have foreseen that mandating that men need gynecological coverage would cause premiums to rise? I don't have a problem with government mandating that pre-existing conditions should not be cause for exclusion from policies, don't have a problem with gov't saying insurance companies can't shut you off if you make X number of claims. But that's about where their involvement should end. Let insurance be sold across state lines which has been a staple of Republican policy for years. Increase the risk pools for insurers and you will see prices come down. Tort reform is way overdue and while its affect may seem marginal its still hurts pricing. Let the market drive prices. The Dems have fought all these simple market based ideas tooth and nail which should give you a good indication of how effective and individual oriented they are. But I have no doubt that Americans will reject Obamacare. Hell, they already are and its still in its infancy.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 26, 2014 10:01 AM (g1DWB)

220 They've all been replaced with "Earth Science" and Sex Ed teachers.

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at November 26, 2014 02:55 PM (0LHZx)


My kid was going to take an environmental "science" course that had a reading list that was straight-up agitprop, without a scintilla of science. One item was a defense of those Earth First assholes, and was entitled something like "Warriors for the Earth: How Heroic Earth First Assholes Are Saving Gaia, And You Should Too," or something like that.

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i] at November 26, 2014 10:03 AM (oKE6c)

221 I'll give the Dems this. They got something for their money for the two years they had power. A stimulus payoff, financial reform and Obamcare. They have paid for it at the polls, but for now all those are still on the books. What did we get for that limited time we had power - elimination of light bulbs, the DHS and TSA, expansion of medicare, and no child left behind. That being said, I'm optimistic that Obamacare will be dismantled.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 10:03 AM (gmeXX)

222 It's cold and snowy!! Everything is white. I love it.

Posted by: Please Don't Squeeze The Soothsayer at November 26, 2014 10:04 AM (Knv95)

223 "Hey guys--that whole thing about screwing around with 1/7 of the economy and making everything fantastic? Just kidding." You screwed up.....

Posted by: Chip Diller at November 26, 2014 10:04 AM (LA7Cm)

224 Talk about malpractice. Roseanne got a chemical peel to make her look "more sexy". Cool, hope they used enough to take it down the bone.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 26, 2014 10:04 AM (1Y+hH)

225 Posted by: JackStraw at November 26, 2014 03:01 PM (g1DWB) Help convince me that tort reform and expansion of insurance across state lines are constitutional and not an infringement upon state power?

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 10:05 AM (gmeXX)

226 You trusted a Democrat's statement as being of substance.

"You fucked up.  You trusted us."

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 26, 2014 10:06 AM (XO6WW)

227 WHO AND THE MIDDLE CLASS?

Posted by: wooga at November 26, 2014 10:06 AM (LvEg1)

228 Achtung! Sunset is about 90 minutes away. So let's put on our thinking caps and come up with movie ideas. And, please, no Planes, Trains, & Automobiles; that is ground well tread here at AoS.

Posted by: Please Don't Squeeze The Soothsayer at November 26, 2014 10:06 AM (Knv95)

229 Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 03:05 PM (gmeXX) If you can get the latter the former is a matter of the commerce clause.

Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at November 26, 2014 10:06 AM (HDwDg)

230 >>>I just saw a news story that Obama is going to pardon the national turkey. <<<

They don't celebrate Thanksgiving on Vulcan with traditional turkey:  They order Klingon Chop Suey.

Posted by: Fritz at November 26, 2014 10:06 AM (dVmLD)

231 The single biggest cause of the massive price increase in health care and health insurance is the same problem we see whenever government gets involved, they distort the market with subsidies and rules which often (usually) do not take costs into account. See also cash for clunkers, ethanol, wind, solar, and student loans. This is a fundamental economic truth that seems to surprise the idiots in the media when the architects are either a) setting up a crony benefit plan or b) are themselves really, really dumb. P.S.: JackStraw, it also applies to bailing out banks and carmakers, lest our dispute from 2008-2009 go unforgotten.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 26, 2014 10:07 AM (659DL)

232 I'd start small to generate momentum, and per Glenn Reynolds, eliminate tax breaks for Hollywood. Every state seems to offer breaks for filming in their location. Do they get breaks at federal level?

Posted by: fluffy at November 26, 2014 10:07 AM (Ua6T/)

233 And, please, no Planes, Trains, & Automobiles As Steve Martin said to John Candy, "Nottafinga!"

Posted by: fluffy at November 26, 2014 10:09 AM (Ua6T/)

234 If you can get the latter the former is a matter of the commerce clause. Posted by: tsrblke (Tablet) at November 26, 2014 03:06 PM (HDwDg) ----- How so? I'm more convinced about the buying insurance across state lines, but I just do not see how the federal government has the power to do tort reform (outside of federal class action suits).

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 10:09 AM (gmeXX)

235 Have I taken over the thread?

Posted by: fluffy at November 26, 2014 10:09 AM (Ua6T/)

236 Remember when Obama kicked out all the private student loan providers? He did that for a reason. Posted by: Hurricane LaFawnduh at November 26, 2014 02:49 PM (HBAcW) There are still private loans available. They are typically done to bridge a gap between Federal loans , scholarships, etc. And you can refinance your Federal loan into a private loan, although that usually isn't advantageous unless you are "well employed". The unsubsidized loans are what one pays the interest on directly to the Dept of Education. The payments can be deferred while you are in school. And I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't get them deferred, how can you pay interest on a loan while enrolled at least half time in school.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 26, 2014 10:10 AM (hjTr7)

237 Posted by: Jay Guevara at November 26, 2014 03:03 PM (oKE6c) ----------- Jay, your kid can be a warrior monk in the Earth First Battalion! http://arcturus.org/field_manual.pdf I knew someone on Fort Ord who was working with Channon back in the day and these guys were going to realign the Army's chakras to a more groove-a-licious vibe.

Posted by: All Hail Eris at November 26, 2014 10:10 AM (QBm1P)

238 White man speak with forked tongue.

Posted by: Fauxcahontas at November 26, 2014 10:11 AM (F2IAQ)

239 Sunset is about 90 minutes away. So let's put on our thinking caps and come up with movie ideas. What's Up, Doc? Yes, yes--it has Streisand, BUT it also has a screwball plot written by Buck Henry, the criminally underrated Kennth Mars, Madeleine Kahn in her first movie, and the best chase scene through San Francisco ever filmed.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 26, 2014 10:11 AM (659DL)

240 If Schumer is willing to support repeal I'll take his comments more seriously.

Posted by: MTF at November 26, 2014 10:11 AM (RkHvD)

241 "So let's put on our thinking caps and come up with movie ideas. " "The Good, the Bad, the Ugly" or "Muppets Take Manhattan."

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 26, 2014 10:11 AM (LA7Cm)

242 Off topic, but I wonder if there will be any mischief at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade tomorrow. Seems like a good opportunity for the aggrieved race to show their ass given the current climate.

Posted by: Havedash at November 26, 2014 10:12 AM (G1XMn)

243 109 I lie every second of the day. My whole life is a sham. -- John Boehner Posted by: The Great White Snark at November 26, 2014 02:23 PM (XUKZU) This is NOT my son!!!! It's some Romanian gypsy changeling and it's - - orange!

Posted by: John Boehner's mother at November 26, 2014 10:12 AM (CMkNk)

244 They've all been replaced with "Earth Science" and Sex Ed teachers.

I liked "Earth Science" but it was all geology and astronomy, no psuedo-religious content.  Teacher was old and grouchy and claimed to have flunked half the apostles (and really did flunk my mother) but grew to tolerate me eventually.  Heh.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 26, 2014 10:12 AM (ZKzrr)

245 We're back.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 10:12 AM (CMkNk)

246 If only there were some members of the opposition that would use Schumer's claim to push for a veto-proof repeal. Since it is obvious the democrats would never vote for repeal, their argument would be moot and they would, once more, be on record as supporting a bill that will continue to financially devastate people.

Posted by: ever at November 26, 2014 10:12 AM (hRV3r)

247 240 If Schumer is willing to support repeal I'll take his comments more seriously. Posted by: MTF at November 26, 2014 03:11 PM (RkHvD) Repeal and Replace. With Single Payer. I am definitely going to challenge him in the primary. Senator J.J. Sefton (D) (diabolical infiltrator!)

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 10:13 AM (CMkNk)

248 If only there were some members of the opposition that would use Schumer's claim to push for a veto-proof repeal. Since it is obvious the democrats would never vote for repeal, their argument would be moot and they would, once more, be on record as supporting a bill that will continue to financially devastate people. Posted by: ever at November 26, 2014 03:12 PM (hRV3r) ---- Yes, yes, yes. Make Schumer own up to the fact that he still supports Obamacare. Don't let him squirm out of this.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 10:14 AM (gmeXX)

249 " If only there were some members of the opposition that would use Schumer's claim to push for a veto-proof repeal. " A bridge too far......

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 26, 2014 10:14 AM (LA7Cm)

250 Schumer is trying to get out of Obamcare easily by saying it was wrong time and all Obama. Make him own it.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 10:15 AM (gmeXX)

251 >>Help convince me that tort reform and expansion of insurance across state lines are constitutional and not an infringement upon state power? I guess I should have been more specific. Tort reform should be a state issue as far as I'm concerned. But I think the opposite is true with regard to selling insurance across state lines. Why is the federal government involved in limiting where a business sells its products in the US? Sure, its state should set its own criteria but why should any company be prohibited from offering a product that conforms to any states health insurance requirements?

Posted by: JackStraw at November 26, 2014 10:15 AM (g1DWB)

252 Ok - I guess everyone is off for Thanksgiving. Have a good one all.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 10:15 AM (gmeXX)

253 Start your website now, JJ.

Posted by: FenelonSpoke at November 26, 2014 10:16 AM (bRm4u)

254 This is a good time to mention how stupid Rush Limbaugh is and anyone who listens to him is even more stupid.

Posted by: Neil Dewing at November 26, 2014 10:16 AM (Knv95)

255 Off topic, but I wonder if there will be any mischief at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade tomorrow. Seems like a good opportunity for the aggrieved race to show their ass given the current climate. Posted by: Havedash at November 26, 2014 03:12 PM (G1XMn) If there is any issue, it will be because of the Occupy crowd. Detroit has had a traditional Thanksgiving Day parade for decades , it is well attended by folks of all stripes, including the aggrieved. Never had any problems, including during the very down times for the city.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 26, 2014 10:16 AM (hjTr7)

256 I guess I should have been more specific. Tort reform should be a state issue as far as I'm concerned. But I think the opposite is true with regard to selling insurance across state lines. Why is the federal government involved in limiting where a business sells its products in the US? Sure, its state should set its own criteria but why should any company be prohibited from offering a product that conforms to any states health insurance requirements? ----- Is it the federal government or individual states that are the most restrictive on selling insurance products across state lines?

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 10:17 AM (gmeXX)

257 more stupid More stupid, you say?

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at November 26, 2014 10:17 AM (659DL)

258 This is a good time to mention how stupid Rush Limbaugh is and anyone who listens to him is even more stupid. Posted by: Neil Dewing at November 26, 2014 03:16 PM (Knv95) Why's that?

Posted by: Jen the original at November 26, 2014 10:18 AM (hjTr7)

259 What do we need to do please you middle class people?!? Okay, okay, we'll lower the Unemployment number to 4.8...happy now??

Posted by: The Democrats at November 26, 2014 10:18 AM (Knv95)

260 I think more stupider is the proper usage.

Posted by: Ronster at November 26, 2014 10:19 AM (9vrWU)

261 I think whatever Ben Carson's chances were for 2016, they are sinking fast. Over at Breitbart: CARSON: COPS COULD BE TRAINED TO SHOOT FOR THE LEGS Jeez. How about black youth could be trained to be law abiding, civilized people and not animals.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 10:19 AM (CMkNk)

262 This is a good time to mention how stupid Rush Limbaugh is and anyone who listens to him is even more stupid. Posted by: Neil Dewing at November 26, 2014 03:16 PM (Knv95) Why's that? ---- Funny how he left him off the list.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 10:20 AM (gmeXX)

263 This is a good time to mention how stupid Rush Limbaugh is and anyone who listens to him is even more stupid. Posted by: Neil Dewing at November 26, 2014 03:16 PM (Knv95) That's a good opening gambit right for after the Thanksgiving prayer. I just may use it.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 26, 2014 10:20 AM (8ZskC)

264 Sometimes I think this blog has Alzheimers. Stuff we just discussed at length, (and ad nauseum), is forgotten 4 hours later.

Posted by: Please Don't Squeeze The Soothsayer at November 26, 2014 10:20 AM (Knv95)

265 Both Bush and that fat slob Limbaugh are lying sacks of dog doo-doo. Brattkleboro supports Presdent Obama and his new healthcare bill to help the poor and children.

Posted by: Jenny-Stienam-Jones-Carter at November 26, 2014 10:20 AM (Sd++4)

266 MOAR STUPID!

Posted by: The guy that says moar at November 26, 2014 10:20 AM (UZQM8)

267 Why's that? Yes, please impart to us your words of wisdom, Neil. Tell me why I'm stupid.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire [/i][/s][/b][/u] at November 26, 2014 10:21 AM (0HooB)

268 264 Sometimes I think this blog has Alzheimers. Stuff we just discussed at length, (and ad nauseum), is forgotten 4 hours later. Posted by: Please Don't Squeeze The Soothsayer at November 26, 2014 03:20 PM (Knv95) It's the Chinese food of blogs. Time to check the pumpkin pie!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 10:21 AM (CMkNk)

269 Yes, please impart to us your words of wisdom, Neil. That's no real Neil.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 26, 2014 10:22 AM (8ZskC)

270 CARSON: COPS COULD BE TRAINED TO SHOOT FOR THE LEGS Jeez. How about black youth could be trained to be law abiding, civilized people and not animals. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 03:19 PM (CMkNk) I'll take ricochet for 500...

Posted by: cajun caret at November 26, 2014 10:22 AM (UZQM8)

271 Gruber me once, shame on you Gruber me twice, shame on me

Posted by: ThunderB at November 26, 2014 10:22 AM (zOTsN)

272 I think whatever Ben Carson's chances were for 2016, they are sinking fast. ---- I don't think he ever had a chance and most people get that. My preference would be he just talk about Obamacare. Regardless, I think most people ignore these statements from him, but he still has a voice in opposition to Obamacare.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 10:22 AM (gmeXX)

273 Is it the federal government or individual states that are the most restrictive on selling insurance products across state lines? Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 03:17 PM (gmeXX) ----- States.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 26, 2014 10:22 AM (z27Ny)

274 That's no real Neil. Sock? Anyone we know?

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, Curmudgeon Extraordinaire [/i][/s][/b][/u] at November 26, 2014 10:23 AM (0HooB)

275 Posted by: JackStraw at November 26, 2014 03:15 PM (g1DWB)

From the last thread....

My father grew up in Pelham. Across the street from the high school.

I grew up in Ardsley.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 26, 2014 10:23 AM (Zu3d9)

276 I think whatever Ben Carson's chances were for 2016, they are sinking fast. Ben needs to spend a few hours at a shooting range.

Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 26, 2014 10:23 AM (8ZskC)

277 Is it the federal government or individual states that are the most restrictive on selling insurance products across state lines? Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 03:17 PM (gmeXX) ----- Feds allow it.

Posted by: RioBravo at November 26, 2014 10:24 AM (z27Ny)

278 Dementia is funny. But when my dear gram started losing her marbles, it was so sad. We'd all be at the table talking and you could see the confused look on her face and it broke my heart.

Posted by: Please Don't Squeeze The Soothsayer at November 26, 2014 10:24 AM (Knv95)

279 If only there were some members of the opposition that would use Schumer's claim to push for a veto-proof repeal. He doesn't want it repealed. He didn't even say it was bad. Schumer loves Obamacare. He just said it was bad TIMING, wrong time not wrong idea.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 26, 2014 10:24 AM (39g3+)

280 Everything is white. I love it.


RAAAAAAAACIST!!111!!!!!

Posted by: Every liberal everywhere at November 26, 2014 10:24 AM (l9IjQ)

281 Why do people who apparently have never owned or fired a gun suggest tactical gun scenarios? Maybe the cops should tell Ben Carson not to remove as much brain tissue around the tumor next time.....

Posted by: Jen the original at November 26, 2014 10:24 AM (hjTr7)

282 Is it the federal government or individual states that are the most restrictive on selling insurance products across state lines? Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 03:17 PM (gmeXX) ----- States. ---- That was my understanding. Does federal government have power under the Commerce Clause to infringe upon state power here? I lean yes, but I have some doubts.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 10:24 AM (gmeXX)

283 CARSON: COPS COULD BE TRAINED TO SHOOT FOR THE LEGS
---------
This is the problem with too many people watching Hollyweird movies. I would suggest that someone take him to a gun range and try to hit a moving target coming at him fast.

Posted by: Old Blue at November 26, 2014 10:25 AM (vVSOO)

284 >>Is it the federal government or individual states that are the most restrictive on selling insurance products across state lines? Mostly the states. But unless you are going to unravel all government spending on health programs, medicare, medicaid, grants, etc., which in my opinion is never going to happen, work with the system you have to come up with the best solution. We do not have a free market for anything, there are always limiting laws, so looking for a completely states rights, conservative solution for a national issue is always going to have some compromises. Get rid of mandates, sell across state lines and let the market set prices. And then we can go back to remembering this isn't the most pressing problem facing the Republic.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 26, 2014 10:25 AM (g1DWB)

285 And sometimes this blog is like Tony Montana's wife -- you'll take another quaalude and love me again.

Posted by: Please Don't Squeeze The Soothsayer at November 26, 2014 10:25 AM (Knv95)

286 276 I think whatever Ben Carson's chances were for 2016, they are sinking fast. Ben needs to spend a few hours at a shooting range. Posted by: Cicero (@cicero) at November 26, 2014 03:23 PM (8ZskC) President Ted Cruz should park him at Surgeon General and that'll be that.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 10:25 AM (CMkNk)

287 This is a good time to mention how stupid Rush Limbaugh is... How stupid is he?

Posted by: Ed McMahon at November 26, 2014 10:26 AM (Ua6T/)

288 Yeah, somebody's having holiday fun with us.

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 26, 2014 10:26 AM (LA7Cm)

289 Whatever happened to "winging" the bad guy?

Posted by: Ben Carson at November 26, 2014 10:26 AM (8ZskC)

290 >>My father grew up in Pelham. Across the street from the high school. Wait, Pelham as in Pelham, Pelham Heights and Pelham Manor? That Pelham?

Posted by: JackStraw at November 26, 2014 10:26 AM (g1DWB)

291 Whatever happened to "winging" the bad guy? Posted by: Ben Carson at November 26, 2014 03:26 PM (8ZskC) Went out of style along with warning shots.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 26, 2014 10:27 AM (hjTr7)

292 Get rid of mandates, sell across state lines and let the market set prices. And then we can go back to remembering this isn't the most pressing problem facing the Republic. ---- But my question is this. Does Congress have power under Commerce Clause to override state regulation on this matter? I'm honestly not sure.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 10:27 AM (gmeXX)

293 That's right. People really need to start reading more critically instead hearing what they want to hear. We go through this song and dance (or used to, anyway) every time ol' Peggy Noonan writes a column about obama.

Posted by: Please Don't Squeeze The Soothsayer at November 26, 2014 10:27 AM (Knv95)

294 The only time I would remotely consider shooting for the legs would be with a flame thrower. Or tactical nuke.

Posted by: TexasDan at November 26, 2014 10:27 AM (0yDYd)

295 And, for those watching at home, it's now effin' snowing up here.  However, I'm securely at home with an adult beverage in hand, and the turkey is prepped.  So f*** this weather in particular!

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at November 26, 2014 10:28 AM (l9IjQ)

296 ObamaCare is about insuring the looters, a the expense of the business owners, er--middle class.

Posted by: Chuckie Schumer Accidentally Tells You the Truth at November 26, 2014 10:28 AM (RJMhd)

297 "And sometimes this blog is like Tony Montana's wife -- you'll take another quaalude and love me again." Say "hello" to my little fri..............wait, uh, forget I said anything.

Posted by: Tony Montana at November 26, 2014 10:28 AM (LA7Cm)

298 CARSON: COPS COULD BE TRAINED TO SHOOT FOR THE LEGS

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 03:19 PM (CMkNk)

This is what makes me suspect he has progressive tendencies.

He speaks as if he has some knowledge of the subject. Yet hundreds of years of experience with firearms among tens of millions of people has taught us that in stressful situations it is almost impossible to be accurate, and that hitting center-of-mass is about the best that most people can do.

This is ignorance on a profound, elemental scale.

You know....progressive!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 26, 2014 10:28 AM (Zu3d9)

299 261 I think whatever Ben Carson's chances were for 2016, they are sinking fast. Over at Breitbart: CARSON: COPS COULD BE TRAINED TO SHOOT FOR THE LEGS Jeez. How about black youth could be trained to be law abiding, civilized people and not animals. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 03:19 PM (CMkNk) It very much seems like the prevailing mentality is that you can not and should not expect these feral urban youths to conduct themselves within the norms of descent society, therefore all rules must be bent around them. Carson is a friggin idiot.

Posted by: Havedash at November 26, 2014 10:29 AM (G1XMn)

300 But my question is this. Does Congress have power under Commerce Clause to override state regulation on this matter? Yes.

Posted by: Roscoe Filburn at November 26, 2014 10:29 AM (8ZskC)

301 While Ferguson, MO is burning and the Left is fanning the flames, some dope named Neal Dewing thought today would be a good time to take his dump on conservatives.

Posted by: Please Don't Squeeze The Soothsayer at November 26, 2014 10:29 AM (Knv95)

302 What Ben Carson is saying COMPLETELY misses the point and feeds into the evil white cop narrative, however unintentionally it may be. The problem is NOT the police. The problem is yet another generation of black youth, uneducated, violent, drug-addled and completely self-segregated from American society and decent values. They're the same as the Palestinians insofar as they reject the very salvation that could save them as the ones who stole their land. And they are manipulated as political pawns by those that pretend to be their protectors. The parallel is so damn close, it's frightening.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 10:29 AM (CMkNk)

303 This is a good time to mention how stupid Rush Limbaugh is and anyone who listens to him is even more stupid. A GOOD TIME TO MENTION HOW STUPID RUSH LIMBAUGH IS? AND ANYONE WHO LISTENS TO HIM IS EVEN MORE STUPID?

Posted by: Al Sharpton at November 26, 2014 10:29 AM (L2xDv)

304 >>But my question is this. Does Congress have power under Commerce Clause to override state regulation on this matter? I'm honestly not sure. You're covered in a one size fits all national plan right now. And the SC said it was hunky dory. I'm pretty sure if the will was there it could be done.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 26, 2014 10:29 AM (g1DWB)

305 And, for those watching at home, it's now effin' snowing up here.

I've got green grass and some sort of burn-y thing to the west.  I think the sky might be broken.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 26, 2014 10:30 AM (ZKzrr)

306 Carson has also questioned the "need" for people who live in cities to own rifles. He is off the list.

Posted by: AltonJackson at November 26, 2014 10:31 AM (2Ayux)

307 You know why they can afford universal healthcare coverage and single payer health care in Canada, Switzerland, Germany.... the looting, rioting class isn't as "rioty".

Posted by: Chuckie Schumer Accidentally Tells You the Truth at November 26, 2014 10:31 AM (RJMhd)

308 But my question is this. Does Congress have power under Commerce Clause to override state regulation on this matter? Yes. ---- Roscoe - thanks, but I would like a little explanation. How does that not infringe upon a state's 10th A power? If a state wants to regulate what insurance products can be sold in its state, does the federal government have power to interfere with that? My inclination is yes - but I am not certain of it.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 10:31 AM (gmeXX)

309 Posted by: JackStraw at November 26, 2014 03:26 PM (g1DWB)

Yes.

Corlies Ave. Just across from the HS

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 26, 2014 10:31 AM (Zu3d9)

310 It seems there were 47 arrested in Boston at Ferguson protests. Why are they arraigning them already? Monday it a much better day for arraignment.

Posted by: fluffy at November 26, 2014 10:31 AM (Ua6T/)

311 Please. I should only be as "stupid" as Rush Limbaugh.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 10:31 AM (CMkNk)

312 At some point they are going to throw Obama under the bus, because it is never their ideology or policies. Never gonna happen. The deification of Obama once he's out of office will begin the very next day. The movement to get one of those white males chiseled off of Mount Rushmore will begin before he's even out of office. The media cannot turn on him, the party cannot turn on him. He's considered black for one thing and he's their creation. They will not admit they were wrong or stupid. Look at how they treat Jimmy Carter for crying out loud, and he cost them 12 years of the presidency.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 26, 2014 10:32 AM (39g3+)

313 You're covered in a one size fits all national plan right now. And the SC said it was hunky dory. I'm pretty sure if the will was there it could be done. ---- I just want to be respectful of the Constiuttion. Not respecting it has gotten us into just about every mess we are in now.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 10:32 AM (gmeXX)

314 307 the looting, rioting class isn't as "rioty". Posted by: Chuckie Schumer Accidentally Tells You the Truth at November 26, 2014 03:31 PM (RJMhd) We're working on it.

Posted by: Muzzie immigrant yutes at November 26, 2014 10:32 AM (CMkNk)

315 Perhaps a discussion for another day.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 10:33 AM (gmeXX)

316 I would agree this may all be Kabuki, but the Obama acolytes like Jon Favreau coming out and attacking Schumer tells me this definitely hit a nerve with Obama and his inner circle.

Also, I just don't think Democrats are really ever going to be able to separate themselves from ObamaCare. 

ObamaCare really destroyed Obama's Presidency, it doesn't satisfy the left-wing base, it gave Republicans Congress, and it has made Obama an unpopular President.  The voters are now VERY skeptical of all big government solutions to problems.

I'm honestly glad they overreached, had they been smarter we could have been looking at generation of Democrat rule in this country.

Posted by: McAdams at November 26, 2014 10:33 AM (m1kpS)

317 But my question is this. Does Congress have power under Commerce Clause to override state regulation on this matter? ----- Regarding state insurance across state line, etc., you might find this interesting. http://preview.tinyurl.com/omtgozy

Posted by: RioBravo at November 26, 2014 10:33 AM (z27Ny)

318 Maybe Carson should be promoting shooting for the genitals. It might make the perp a little less anxious to take a chance and, if the cop misses, there is the very uncomfortable gut shot with which to contend.

Posted by: ever at November 26, 2014 10:34 AM (hRV3r)

319 But my question is this. Does Congress have power under Commerce Clause to override state regulation on this matter? Any topic involving interstate market is the jurisdiction of the federal government. So yes, they could order states to allow insurance companies to sell across state lines. I'm not sure how that really would help consumers any. My suggestion is to turn insurance into non-profits. Profiting on the misery and illness of others is just ghoulish.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 26, 2014 10:34 AM (39g3+)

320 Roscoe - thanks, but I would like a little explanation. How does that not infringe upon a state's 10th A power? On your one hand you got your Good n Plenty clause, and then over here you got your penumbras and your emanations and shit, and then they combine to exert a force known as the Power of the Purse. That's it in a nutsack.

Posted by: Roscoe Filburn at November 26, 2014 10:35 AM (8ZskC)

321 And we're back. Pie #1 is almost done!

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 10:35 AM (CMkNk)

322 Thanks Rio. Good link.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 10:35 AM (gmeXX)

323 Yeah, about this Black Friday thing...

Posted by: Best Buy at November 26, 2014 10:35 AM (XzRw1)

324 COULD BE TRAINED TO SHOOT FOR THE LEGS Center. Mass.

Posted by: Peter North at November 26, 2014 10:35 AM (Aj6v8)

325 Neil, a college freshman that has returned home for the first time, was hoping to relax by trolling conservatives on the internet. His mother had other plans, forcing to play Monopoly with his cousins Evan and Tyler.

Posted by: fluffy at November 26, 2014 10:35 AM (Ua6T/)

326 did you make your pie with canned filling?

Posted by: Please Don't Squeeze The Soothsayer at November 26, 2014 10:36 AM (Knv95)

327 Posted by: Muzzie immigrant yutes

Their "social support" systems are also being overwhelmed by non-rioting "migrants" as well.  Many are heading north to escape Muslims, but there are also a lot of people just looking for free shit.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 26, 2014 10:36 AM (ZKzrr)

328 ..or the chin. Either way.

Posted by: Peter North at November 26, 2014 10:36 AM (Aj6v8)

329 On your one hand you got your Good n Plenty clause, and then over here you got your penumbras and your emanations and shit, and then they combine to exert a force known as the Power of the Purse. That's it in a nutsack. ---- Roscoe - in the words of Nancy Pelosi - of course its Constitutional. It was dumb of me to even question whether something could be constitutional.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 10:36 AM (gmeXX)

330 The only people who bring up stuff like "shoot their legs" are people who have never been in combat, never had to fire a gun in anger, and never had to try to shoot a moving target. There's a very good reason they aim for center mass, and its not because cops love to kill people.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 26, 2014 10:36 AM (39g3+)

331 I hope to G-d I'm wrong, but I am fearing some sort of mass disturbance at Macy's and the Parade itself. In a way, I hope they do because it will alienate everyone in the country.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 10:37 AM (CMkNk)

332 It seems that the Dems have used the 'frog in the pot of water' approach since the 70's . .  always just tweaking the temp alittle bit here and a little there to keep things moving in their intended direction.  Most of the LIV's dont notice it and it just becomes 'the way things are'.

I think the O-care and immigration actions have turned the temp up in a way that EVERYONE can plainly feel and they know exactly who to blame.

recent elections seem to reflect this.

Posted by: McCool at November 26, 2014 10:37 AM (Kbw23)

333 "Stuff we just discussed at length, (and ad nauseum), is forgotten 4 hours later." I just presume that each thread has a different crew, each time of day, each time zone, all different, and not all threads are read by all members of each crew. Most 500 comment threads are not read in their entirety. So I pick and choose despite my failed study of Buddhism which teaches one to avoid 'picking and choosing' and just live for the moment as each moment is unique and unrelated to past or present since we are all one in the moment and all moments are one. Thus making it possible to believe two different contradictory conclusions simultaneously. It's all in the mind, you see?

Posted by: Idly Obscurtia at November 26, 2014 10:37 AM (aOAmR)

334 indeed... something wicked this way comes

Posted by: Please Don't Squeeze The Soothsayer at November 26, 2014 10:37 AM (Knv95)

335 President Obama should pass a law so this doesn't happen again.

Posted by: Jenny-Stienam-Jones-Carter at November 26, 2014 10:38 AM (Sd++4)

336 There's a very good reason they aim for center mass, and its not because cops love to kill people. It's because cops don't have the benefit of 73 takes, CGI, and a cinematographer.

Posted by: fluffy at November 26, 2014 10:38 AM (Ua6T/)

337 326 did you make your pie with canned filling? Posted by: Please Don't Squeeze The Soothsayer at November 26, 2014 03:36 PM (Knv95) Yes. Always have and it tastes great. Maybe one day I'll be adventurous and cook the filling from scratch. I also do not bake the crust. I'm a pretty decent cook and baker with the exception of pastries as those require a degree of precision that I'm not really up to.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 10:38 AM (CMkNk)

338 Posted by: McCool at November 26, 2014 03:37 PM (Kbw23) ---- My thoughts as well. Kind of like how Carter revealed the ineptitude of left's foreign policy for a generation.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 10:39 AM (gmeXX)

339 323 Yeah, about this Black Friday thing... Posted by: Best Buy at November 26, 2014 03:35 PM (XzRw1) ********* LOOT WE MUCH!!

Posted by: Al Sharpton at November 26, 2014 10:39 AM (RJMhd)

340 It seems that the Dems have used the 'frog in the pot of water' approach since the 70's . . always just tweaking the temp alittle bit here and a little there to keep things moving in their intended direction. Most of the LIV's dont notice it and it just becomes 'the way things are'. I think the O-care and immigration actions have turned the temp up in a way that EVERYONE can plainly feel and they know exactly who to blame. I concur with this. Too much, too fast.

Posted by: Please Don't Squeeze The Soothsayer at November 26, 2014 10:39 AM (Knv95)

341 >>Corlies Ave. Just across from the HS World keeps getting smaller. Both my parents went to PHS. High School sweethearts in fact. Mom's family was on Cliff Ave and dad's lived on the Esplanade. We moved when I was in 3rd grade, had the same 3rd grade teacher as my dad. My aunt and uncle lived there until a few years ago as did both sets of grandparents. I was actually back in Pelham year before last for a wedding.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 26, 2014 10:39 AM (g1DWB)

342 I'm a pretty decent cook and baker

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 03:38 PM (CMkNk)

Good!

You can cook for the next Moron Meet-up. We can have it in your house in NYC....

Invite all of your wife's friends!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 26, 2014 10:39 AM (Zu3d9)

343 "That's it in a nutsack." Eff yeah, bitches!

Posted by: President Camacho at November 26, 2014 10:40 AM (LA7Cm)

344 I'm a pretty decent cook and baker


Whatever you do, do not open a cake store in Ferguson.

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at November 26, 2014 10:40 AM (XzRw1)

345 My suggestion is to turn insurance into non-profits. Profiting on the misery and illness of others is just ghoulish.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor


Blue Cross and Blue Shield in my state is basically that, it's like a Credit Union that's owned by memebers.

The"insurance company making profits!" has been a boogie man of the Left for forever, but it's really not a game changer.  The profits are miniscule for most insurance companies, if all the profits were given back to consumers it would probably shave like $5 a month off your bill. 

Posted by: McAdams at November 26, 2014 10:40 AM (m1kpS)

346 I feel like we are all witnessing a reuniting of twins separated at birth on this thread between JackStraw and CBD. Its a festivus miracle.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 10:41 AM (gmeXX)

347 342 Invite all of your wife's friends! Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 26, 2014 03:39 PM (Zu3d9) You sir are one sick human being. BUT it would make for interesting conversation, like the Virginia Graham show except with punches and epithets.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 10:41 AM (CMkNk)

348 Is Ace in a funk? Did he lose Teh Funneh? or does Ace just not like us right now?

Posted by: Please Don't Squeeze The Soothsayer at November 26, 2014 10:42 AM (Knv95)

349 344 I'm a pretty decent cook and baker Whatever you do, do not open a cake store in Ferguson. Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at November 26, 2014 03:40 PM (XzRw1) The stupid idiot Rush Limbaugh mentioned a site to donate a few shekels to the lady. Anyone remember what it is? I might send her something.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 10:42 AM (CMkNk)

350 Posted by: JackStraw at November 26, 2014 03:39 PM (g1DWB)

What years?

My dad graduated HS in 1947.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 26, 2014 10:42 AM (Zu3d9)

351 Is Ace in a funk?

Did he lose Teh Funneh?

or does Ace just not like us right now?


Yes

Posted by: Thin veneer of civility at November 26, 2014 10:42 AM (XzRw1)

352 I'm a pretty decent cook and baker --- You better bake for a gay wedding if you know what's good for you.

Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 10:43 AM (gmeXX)

353 If we don't get a new thread up in this bitch I'm gonna burn this motherfucker down.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at November 26, 2014 10:43 AM (+lsX1)

354 340 Posted by: Please Don't Squeeze The Soothsayer at November 26, 2014 03:39 PM (Knv95) We're either headed for destruction or perhaps a reprieve and a rebirth for another few decades. BUT - we have got to wrest control of the education of our children from the fiendish parasites that are teachers. MUST.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 10:44 AM (CMkNk)

355 You sir are one sick human being.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 03:41 PM (CMkNk)

Oh...gosh!

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 26, 2014 10:44 AM (Zu3d9)

356 Maybe one day I'll be adventurous and cook the filling from scratch.

Starting from fresh raw pumpkin didn't taste better enough to justify the time and mess.  It's pretty easy to make your own custard with canned pumpkin, though.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 26, 2014 10:44 AM (ZKzrr)

357 >>What years? >>My dad graduated HS in 1947. I'll have to check with mom tomorrow but I believe Dad was '51 and mom was '52.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 26, 2014 10:45 AM (g1DWB)

358 I think the O-care and immigration actions have turned the temp up in a way that EVERYONE can plainly feel and they know exactly who to blame. They were sure they'd won, that they had finally destroyed the hated enemy. Remember all the books and comments about how the Republican Party was destroyed? That it would be a generation or more before they ever had power again - if then? Remember the certainty, the gigantic gloating grin on Pelosi's face? They thought they'd finally won it all and now they could just cut loose. Well they might yet be right.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 26, 2014 10:45 AM (39g3+)

359 I'm still hoping for the Sherwood Shwartz Solution... a 2nd conk on the head to make things right.

Posted by: Please Don't Squeeze The Soothsayer at November 26, 2014 10:45 AM (Knv95)

360 Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 26, 2014 03:44 PM (ZKzrr)

Cooking pumpkin filling from scratch is sort of gross. It doesn't smell as good as one would think.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 26, 2014 10:45 AM (Zu3d9)

361 352 I'm a pretty decent cook and baker --- You better bake for a gay wedding if you know what's good for you. Posted by: SH at November 26, 2014 03:43 PM (gmeXX) Remember the cake that the "Our Gang" kids baked? The one with the mouse trap, soap suds and a jockstrap in it?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 10:46 AM (CMkNk)

362 the democrats wrath is constantly descending on the rich and landing on the And The Middle Class

Posted by: X at November 26, 2014 10:46 AM (KHo8t)

363 359 I'm still hoping for the Sherwood Shwartz Solution... a 2nd conk on the head to make things right. Posted by: Please Don't Squeeze The Soothsayer at November 26, 2014 03:45 PM (Knv95) Sherwood Schvartze. Racist.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 10:46 AM (CMkNk)

364 JJ, Her name, I think, is Natalie Dubose (?) They set up a go fund me site and it's already up over $111,000. She's kind of overwhelmed by other peoples generosity.

Posted by: Old Blue at November 26, 2014 10:46 AM (vVSOO)

365 I just went over the the Natalie DuBose fund and contributed money I really don't have to help Ms DuBose out. What I see from the comments and the overflow donations (they are now up over $135,000) is the best of America. Stark contrast to what I see when I look at our petulant president. The best and the worst. I am still thankful to live in the greatest country this planet has ever seen.

Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at November 26, 2014 10:47 AM (32Ze2)

366 "If we don't get a new thread up in this bitch......" Hehehe.....

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 26, 2014 10:47 AM (LA7Cm)

367 The profits are miniscule for most insurance companies, if all the profits were given back to consumers it would probably shave like $5 a month off your bill. Having an inside with insurance companies I can assure you they make far more profit than that. But my point isn't so much lower premiums as a shift in perspective and approach. Instead of being a corporation that exists in order to make money for the shareholders, they become a service industry that exists to serve their members. That's a big difference in corporate philosophy.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 26, 2014 10:47 AM (39g3+)

368 I like voting in Presidential elections, I just pick the Democrat because all my friends are Democrats, but midterms make my head hurt, what with all the issues and stuff.

Posted by: Libby McHairpits-Treelove, Santa Cruz, CA at November 26, 2014 10:47 AM (wAQA5)

369 Anyone been to a Harlem Globetrotters show lately? This century?

Posted by: Mama AJ at November 26, 2014 10:47 AM (0xTsz)

370 Cooking pumpkin filling from scratch is sort of gross. It doesn't smell as good as one would think.

I steamed it in the microwave, then stuck it in the blender, then made the custard.  Still a huge mess.  I seem to have lost the recipe in a hard-drive crash, or I'd post it.

Posted by: HR needs donuts at November 26, 2014 10:48 AM (ZKzrr)

371 what did we do now

Posted by: ThunderB at November 26, 2014 10:48 AM (zOTsN)

372 The pie is - - out?! Yes! And it's fantastic. I love the spices in it. Next up the apple cranberry ribbon.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 10:49 AM (CMkNk)

373 what did we do now Posted by: ThunderB at November 26, 2014 03:48 PM (zOTsN) *********** WHAT DID WE DO NOW?

Posted by: Al Sharpton at November 26, 2014 10:50 AM (32Ze2)

374 369 Anyone been to a Harlem Globetrotters show lately? This century? Posted by: Mama AJ at November 26, 2014 03:47 PM (0xTsz) Not since Meadowlark Lemmon, Curly Neal and Geese Ausby. Loved those guys.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 10:50 AM (CMkNk)

375 Truck Monkey, they had an interview with Natalie on Fox about an hour ago and the total on the website then was $111,000 and change. So that means that in the last hour they've raised an additional $24,000. I wonder how much of that came from Fox News viewers, those evil rethuglikans!

Posted by: Old Blue at November 26, 2014 10:51 AM (vVSOO)

376 Every chef I've ever read or seen on TV says "just buy a can of pumpkin" because the results are the same or better and a ton less effort.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at November 26, 2014 10:51 AM (39g3+)

377 365 Posted by: Truck Monkey, Aiming His Torpedo at November 26, 2014 03:47 PM (32Ze2) We really are an exceptional people and nation. In the midst of the insanity all around us, there is yet hope. Happy Thanksgiving, all.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 10:51 AM (CMkNk)

378 Nood!

Posted by: Old Blue at November 26, 2014 10:52 AM (vVSOO)

379 For me, the pumpkin is merely a ginger, nutmeg and clove delivery system. So canned is ideal.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 10:52 AM (CMkNk)

380 Next up the apple cranberry ribbon. Posted by: J.J. Sefton at November 26, 2014 03:49 PM (CMkNk) *********** I DROP AN APPLE CRANBERRY RIBBON IN MINE GATKES IF I EAT THE RIGHT FOODS.

Posted by: Al Sharpton at November 26, 2014 10:54 AM (32Ze2)

381 CARSON: COPS COULD BE TRAINED TO SHOOT FOR THE LEGS

Jeez. How about black youth could be trained to be law abiding, civilized people and not animals.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton


That's very unfortunate; he seems likable and eminently more qualified than the current occupant.

But, shooting to wound is essentially an admission that you are not warranted in using deadly force, and another tool should be used like Mr. Baton.  For one reason, shooting people in the legs would at best be considered a "less lethal" response like a tazer or bean bag rounds--such an act could still result in death, and certainly could permanently maim the assailant. 

Based on what evidence of the case I've heard, Mike Brown escalated the incident to the point where the law in most states would find the shooting a "justified" one.  Brown gambled and lost, and now everybody suffers.

Posted by: T. Jeff at November 26, 2014 10:57 AM (/Ho8c)

382 an someone 'splain this "And The Middle Class" thing to me?

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at November 26, 2014 11:00 AM (4+IgA)

383 Having an inside with insurance companies I can assure you they make far more profit than that. But my point isn't so much lower premiums as a shift in perspective and approach. Instead of being a corporation that exists in order to make money for the shareholders, they become a service industry that exists to serve their members. That's a big difference in corporate philosophy. Posted by: Christopher Taylor You're "insider" info is wrong, the average profit of health care companies is around 3.4% according to US News & World Report: "Overall, the profit margin for health insurance companies was a modest 3.4 percent over the past year, according to data provided by Morningstar. That ranks 87th out of 215 industries and slightly above the median of 2.2 percent." http://tinyurl.com/4hfjlea What about those EVIL doctors that also make money treating the sick? This has been a left-wing fantasy since forever. the truth is, companies trying to realize a profit and competing with others makes goods and services CHEAPER.

Posted by: McAdams at November 26, 2014 11:05 AM (m1kpS)

384

The thing to remember is that Schumer, like Bill Clinton, is a political hack, while Obama is a leftist ideologue.

Schumer sees ACA as the political clusterfark it is, while Obama and his radical crew see consolidation of power.

 

Posted by: henry gray at November 27, 2014 04:23 AM (zCB6O)

385 Yep. Everything Schmuck Schumer does it political and calculated.

Posted by: drjohn at November 27, 2014 06:02 AM (fdje9)

386 Excellent analysis Ace The blog has gotten so bogged down with fluff that I don't visit as often as I did but this post is gold. Perhaps you might consider a separate page for the nonsense so as to keep the serious stuff easy to find

Posted by: jesse at November 27, 2014 07:45 AM (06Y1w)

387 Schumer is a Liberal.
Liberals constantly lie because they are never punished for their lies.
You'll need to water board him if you want the truth.
Until then  tar and feathers will do.
In Ukrane they throw their politicians in dumpsters. Might work here, too.

Posted by: jason at November 28, 2014 07:18 AM (CLxvC)

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