November 30, 2009

Seattle Area Police Shooting Update: Suspect Not In Surrounded House
— DrewM

Still at large.

The suspect in the slaying of four police officers gunned down in a coffee shop was not found Monday in the Seattle home where he was thought to have been holed up overnight, likely wounded from his bloody encounter with the officers.

Pierce County sheriff's spokesman Ed Troyer said the location of Maurice Clemmons was not known, and it's possible he still could be in the neighborhood. Troyer also said people who know Clemmons told investigators he had been shot in the torso.

"If he didn't get a ride out of there, he could still be in the area," Troyer said.

If you missed it last night, Clemmons had an earlier sentence commuted by then Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee. The Huckster released a statement which essentially boiled down to a promise to spend the rest of his days looking for the real Governor who was responsible for releasing this career criminal back onto the streets.

I'm glad Huck is done at the national level now I just wish it didn't take 4 dead cops to do it.

BTW-everyone's favorite gay male expert of Sarah Palin's reproductive system snarked that "The base won't like that, will they?". Well, Saint Andrew of the Insane, most people won't like Huckabee's decision to let this guy out. The exception being the base of the Democratic Party which tends to have a permanent hard- on for cop killers (Free Mumia!).

Posted by: DrewM at 06:38 AM | Comments (104)
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1

They think he maybe on UW campus.  Here is live link to Seattle Times Tweets

http://tinyurl.com/ybyqdau

 

Posted by: Kemp at November 30, 2009 06:41 AM (2+9Yx)

2 Fox also reported that he was wounded in the abdomen.  This guy may be dead in a ditch some where.

A .40 cal in the gut means you will not last long unless you make it to a hospital.

Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2009 06:42 AM (CDUiN)

3

It is my fondest wish that this be Huckabee's 'willie horton' moment

Posted by: Reginald Smythe-Beckley at November 30, 2009 06:43 AM (KOkrW)

4

A .40 cal in the gut means you will not last long unless you make it to a hospital.

Yeah, and it's painful as shit.  Hope the bastard is in a ditch slowly bleeding to death.

Sorry, not very Christian.

Posted by: Kemp at November 30, 2009 06:46 AM (2+9Yx)

5 Gosh, a liberal policy backfired?!

Posted by: t-bird at November 30, 2009 06:46 AM (FcR7P)

6 Free Mumia!

With qualifying purchase of Tookie!  Offer good while supplies last; void where prohibited.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 30, 2009 06:48 AM (NtiET)

7

The problem is not releasing violent criminals from prison, the problem is lack of gun laws!

/sarcasm off

Posted by: 5Cats at November 30, 2009 06:48 AM (O5yP8)

8

This is typical of the LIBTARD.   Huckabee probably thought that he turned over a new leaf despite being a life long uneducated liberal drop out.   BTW, there is zero cost to the public having hard core criminals walking the streets.   RIGHT?

This is EXACTLY what is wrong with RINO'S.

Posted by: gus at November 30, 2009 06:49 AM (Vqruj)

9

Drudge must be really hung over when AoSHQ beats him to a story.  Drudge we don't give a shit about "Tiger".

We got a cop killer loose!

Posted by: Kemp at November 30, 2009 06:49 AM (2+9Yx)

10 "I just wish it didn't take 4 dead cops to do it."

The thing is that bad decisions at that level of government always have this consequence. It's just not always super-obvious like it is here. The pathway from cause to effect is usually a little more diffuse.

While I agree with your sentiment, Drew, we can rest assured that similarly bad decisions elsewhere in government have caused the needless deaths of people across the spectrum -- it's just not so readily apparent.

Posted by: mr.frakypants at November 30, 2009 06:49 AM (PonvG)

11 WOW, just fuck'n wow. I remarked earlier that I had heard three numbers for his commuted prison term in Arkansas. Check this out from a Fox news story just put up.

Rhonda Sharp, a spokeswoman for the Arkansas Parole Board, said then-Gov. Huckabee commuted Clemmons' 108-year prison term to a sentence of 47 years, five months and 19 days.

"[Huckabee's commutation] made him eligible for parole at that point," Sharp told FoxNews.com on Monday.

Clemmons later violated his parole and was returned to prison until his release in 2004

So originally he has a 108 year term that Huck the Suck commuted.

Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2009 06:50 AM (CDUiN)

12

I don't really follow this here.

Is the moral of the story to Never grant clemency?

I mean, what are the risks? 

Politically speaking it seems that as far as clemency is concerned, better to let a 1000 inoccent stay locked up, then risk one person leaving and committing an offense that could tarnish the politician.

Did he make a bad call?  Yes.

Should he own up to it?  Yes.

But if this is truly a political career ending move, what is the takaway lesson for the remaining politicians?

New lesson for politicians:

I. Will. Not. Grant. Clemency. For. Any. Reason.

It. Can. Only. Hurt. Me.

Period.

 

 

Posted by: Thune at November 30, 2009 06:52 AM (iggjG)

13 You guys are getting way too excited.

Huck will use his platform at Fox to clear up his name. 

Posted by: wHodat at November 30, 2009 06:53 AM (+sBB4)

14

You know, if I was a brother in Seattle, I think I'd stay home till they catch this asshole. 

There are going to be some mighty edgy cops out there today.

Posted by: Kemp at November 30, 2009 06:53 AM (2+9Yx)

15

Just saying, from Seattle Times tweet:

...you see something suspicious or want police to check your property. Police say entire city force is looking for suspect

Posted by: Kemp at November 30, 2009 06:55 AM (2+9Yx)

16 Here in California spoiled college kids are throwing a tantrum because the state is wasting money building new prisons when it should be providing a free education for them.

Posted by: bulwark at November 30, 2009 06:56 AM (jvrmc)

17 I hate to be the guy that points this out, but, considering the racial demographic break down of who voted for who in last years election - might we conclude this Clemmons fellow was likely a fan of, if not supporter of, Barack Obama? Or was he perhaps among that vaunted 8% of African-Americans who didn't vote for him?

Posted by: JDW at November 30, 2009 06:56 AM (uw+0A)

18 Posted by: Thune at November 30, 2009 11:52 AM (iggjG)

Clemmons has a long criminal history that reportedly includes at least 13 felony convictions, and most recently had been in jail on charges of child rape. According to the Times, he was sentenced to 60 years in prison in 1990 for burglary and theft, when he was 18 years old; he had already been serving a 48 year prison sentence at the time, and faced another possible 95 years behind bars on separate charges. Huckabee reportedly commuted that sentence, pointing to the fact that Clemmons was just a teenager.

The moral of the story is it don't fucking matter if the perp is a "teenager".
Not when it comes to violent crimes.

Posted by: Rocks at November 30, 2009 06:56 AM (Q1lie)

19 "spend the rest of his days looking for the real Governor"

I don't care who y'are, that's funny right there.

Posted by: Lawrence the Cable Gentleman at November 30, 2009 06:56 AM (yr9NG)

20

this is why fuckabee cannot be trusted - i believe, for him, his evangelism trumps his common sense- this guy should concentrate on eating doughnuts and playing the guitar- if he campaigns for the nomination in '12 i will oppose him in any way i can- we dont need a President Gomer Pyle

 

as for the copkiller- i hope Seattle PD gets the small satisfaction of blowing this guy away on the street

Posted by: Reginald Smythe-Beckley at November 30, 2009 06:56 AM (KOkrW)

21

New lesson for politicians:

I. Will. Not. Grant. Clemency. For. Any. Reason.

It. Can. Only. Hurt. Me.

Period.



Wrong.

The old lesson for politicians that Huck should never have abandoned is "Trust in the American Justice System".

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 30, 2009 06:57 AM (l1Wlr)

22 Oh, are you looking for him?  He's at my house, he showed up there and looked like he needed a place to stay, so I let him move in.

Just being compassionate, you see.

Posted by: Mike Huckabee at November 30, 2009 06:57 AM (MMC8r)

23
Jeez what a clusterf*ck.  Thanks, Huck.

Posted by: Dang Straights at November 30, 2009 06:57 AM (Haq+B)

24

"Or was he perhaps among that vaunted 8 3% of African-Americans who didn't vote for him?"

 

FIFY

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 30, 2009 06:57 AM (SqAkN)

25 Gotta love douchebags like Sullivan always sniffing about what "the base" thinks or wants. I'm sure he considers all of the "base" to be an insult to his delicate Euro sensibilities.
Andrew, your intellect has been outpaced by events.You're like the ColecoVision of "moderate conservatives". Go away.

Posted by: lincolntf at November 30, 2009 06:58 AM (7XkqZ)

26 that vaunted 8% of African-Americans who didn't vote for him?

Was it that big???

I thought he got 97% of the black vote.

Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2009 06:58 AM (CDUiN)

27

"The old lesson for politicians that Huck should never have abandoned is "Trust in the American Justice System"."

With Eric Holder at the helm? Uh no thanks. Oh yeah and I will raise you one "wise latina".

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 30, 2009 06:58 AM (SqAkN)

28 sorry- I meant Lakewood WA police

Posted by: Reginald Smythe-Beckley at November 30, 2009 07:01 AM (KOkrW)

29 It was 97%.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 30, 2009 07:01 AM (SqAkN)

30 Gol--eee... I never considered the unintended consequences.. Did you, Sgt. Carter?

Posted by: Gomer Pyle at November 30, 2009 07:01 AM (GKyIE)

31

"Wrong.

The old lesson for politicians that Huck should never have abandoned is "Trust in the American Justice System"."

This makes no sense whatsoever.

Is the grant of Clemency not a part of our justice system?

If it is not a part of our justice system, then basically "Trust in the American Justice System" MEANS don't grant clemency ever.


 

Posted by: Thune at November 30, 2009 07:02 AM (iggjG)

32

They think he maybe on UW campus.

Why do I suspect some "bogus studies" prof is sheltering him?

Posted by: Curmudgeon at November 30, 2009 07:04 AM (ujg0T)

33 Has anybody checked Obama's receiving line for this guy???? Maybe he's lurking over by the hor d'ouerves!!

Posted by: Sort-of-Mad Max at November 30, 2009 07:05 AM (aC0uO)

34 Too bad he didn't say "Alah Akbar" when he was doing his shooting then he would have every other leftist defending him or trying to explain away his actions.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 30, 2009 07:06 AM (SqAkN)

35

I. Will. Not. Grant. Clemency. For. Any. Reason.

It. Can. Only. Hurt. Me.

Period.

Posted by: Thune at November 30, 2009 11:52 AM (iggjG)


Some politicians learn this one harder than others.  Incarcerated former four-time Louisiana Governor Edwin Edwards used to grant clemency to prisoners until one of them killed his brother, Nolan, after receiving a pardon from Edwin.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at November 30, 2009 07:09 AM (n20IW)

36 every other leftist defending him or trying to explain away his actions.

None of those robberies he committed were his fault--society failed him.  All that white oppression.   Who wants to get some lunch at that new fair-trade vegan place on Sixth?

Posted by: Every Third Leftist at November 30, 2009 07:10 AM (NtiET)

37 Too bad he didn't say "Alah Akbar" when he was doing his shooting then he would have every other leftist defending him or trying to explain away his actions.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 30, 2009 12:06 PM (SqAkN)


Who says he didn't? The guy was in for years. I'm sure he was very familiar with the Prison Imams. There seem to be an awful lot of "crazy" guys hitting US authority figures lately.

Posted by: Rocks at November 30, 2009 07:10 AM (Q1lie)

38 An Arkansas prosecutor called my local conserv talk radio station this morning. She said Huck just signed off on the recommendation of the patrol board. The criminals only have to serve 1/6 of their sentence or can even have that reduced by the patrol board. Guessing that libtards are behind letting the criminals go in the first place---gotta get that diversity in the prisons to a fair balance. His Arkansas crimes were "only" armed robbery. Don't know where the rape charges came from.

Posted by: dagny at November 30, 2009 07:10 AM (4tf69)

39 Psst... Dagny... it's "parole", not "patrol".

Posted by: Gran at November 30, 2009 07:12 AM (xmjMj)

40 I thought his statement was fine. 

Posted by: O.J. Simpson, still looking for the real killers (from jail) at November 30, 2009 07:15 AM (sey23)

41 Whoops. My bad--fingers and brain knot on the same paige.

Posted by: dagny at November 30, 2009 07:16 AM (4tf69)

42 OT... in Houston (Baytown), there's a manhunt on for an escaped inmate. He was being transferred and escaped. He's wearing a correctional officer's uniform.

Big fun in Baytown tonight... sorry...

Posted by: Beth W at November 30, 2009 07:16 AM (gcRbW)

43 Someone should check if he's with Eric Holder who is preparing his defense.

Posted by: TheQuietman at November 30, 2009 07:17 AM (1Jaio)

44 Politically speaking it seems that as far as clemency is concerned, better to let a 1000 inoccent stay locked up, then risk one person leaving and committing an offense that could tarnish the politician.

Uhhhhhmmmmm, there was no question as to this douchebag's guilt.  The lesson to be learned is there is a very good reason some violent minors are tried as adults.

And another thing, the cost of keeping criminals locked up can't possibly be as high as the politicians tell us.  In Oregon, I was told we spend over $100,000 per year per criminal.  If that is the case, we could just pay most of them (the non violent ones) $35,000 per year to stay out of trouble, for the meth heads we could just give them a years supply of meth and they would OD by trying to use it all the first day.

You could keep these guys locked up at Club Med for less than $100,000 per year.  The reason it costs so much to keep criminals locked up is not the prison operating costs.  It is the multi-layered bureaucracy between the prisons and the governor that is filled with people making god-awful salaries.  Most of these positions could be replaced by a good software application.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 30, 2009 07:17 AM (IqfKc)

45 Michelle Malkin has an excerpt from a 1998 Arkansas court document detailing this creep's behavior while in custody.  And he would have been 26 in 1998 so forget this "he was only a teenager" crap. 

It's about halfway down the page on her blog post.  Thune, especially, should check it out.  Why this POS was a candidate for having his sentence commuted is incomprehensible to me.

Posted by: Peaches at November 30, 2009 07:17 AM (9Wv2j)

46 Too bad he didn't say "Alah Akbar" when he was doing his shooting then he would have every other leftist defending him or trying to explain away his actions.

LOL, Rock beat me to the response. I will add that we don't know that he didn't say it. Can we trust the media to report him saying it?

Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2009 07:19 AM (CDUiN)

47 Is the grant of Clemency not a part of our justice system?

Clemency/pardons are a fiat executive power that exists outside the justice/legal system.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 30, 2009 07:19 AM (49ffz)

48

Politically speaking it seems that as far as clemency is concerned, better to let a 1000 inoccent stay locked up, then risk one person leaving and committing an offense that could tarnish the politician.

Posted by: Thune

He didn't grant clemency because Clemmons was innocent, idiot.

He did it because he's got that warped view of Christianity which holds that you must forgive the criminals' transgressions even if it costs innocent third parties their lives.

In short, he's one of you.

Posted by: rickinstl at November 30, 2009 07:23 AM (0AEWQ)

49 #35  Isn't it the standard modes operandi for militant muslems to knock off the local cops, or a police station to show their displeasure?  The more killings or damage, the better? We will show them who runs this show!  It's us vs them. whoever them happens to be. Oh dear, I hope that i'm not profiling, I may be next!

Posted by: mystry at November 30, 2009 07:23 AM (kmgIE)

50 It is interesting that while so many in the police like to imagine themselves as special forces operators, when it comes time to storm a building with one armed man inside, they all of a sudden look for corners to hide in.

Had they took the house down, as the Marines would have, they probably would have this guy in the morgue.

Now, they don't know where he is, and more innocent people are at risk.

To protect and to serve - but not when it REALLY gets hot...

This is no slur against the 4 who were murdered.  This is a slur against the faux militarization of police nation wide.

Posted by: george at November 30, 2009 07:24 AM (icPdU)

51

I am not a Huckabee fan. But this albatross does not belong around his neck. IT would be more appropriate to hang it on the last governor/agency that last held him in custody, especially since he had several arrest warrants outstanding.

I fail to see how a decision about this man nearly 20 years ago can fairly be reflective of the man today. But the agency that cut him loose just days ago are not considered relevant.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at November 30, 2009 07:26 AM (ymwj3)

52
Just wait until California releases 60,000+ prisoners to save money. Nothing could go wrong with that plan.

Posted by: Flying Monkey at November 30, 2009 07:27 AM (Oxen1)

53 But the agency that cut him loose just days ago are not considered relevant.

Those idiots didn't run for president.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 30, 2009 07:32 AM (49ffz)

54 I fail to see how a decision about this man nearly 20 years ago can fairly be reflective of the man today.

If the bad decision to commute then parole hadn't been made, he'd be in a cell in AR this morning.

Well, possibly.  It's possible Huckabee's successor could have commuted his sentence at some point, leading to a similar chain of events.  Or he could have been shivved in the shower ten years ago.   There are a dozen or so alternate timelines if Huckabee hadn't been a bleeding head, but only one timeline actually happened.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 30, 2009 07:37 AM (NtiET)

55

Thanks for the clarification Purple, but I still don't see how that make Shuckabee the one responsible.

I'm thinking that my own Gov here in Washington is more responsible than the Huckster. They had him in custody for child rape. As far as I'm concerned, combined with his extensive arrest record and mental profile, he should never have been allowed bail.

Maybe he used that Polanski defense saying it wasn't RAPE rape, or he asked to be incarcerated in a ski villa.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at November 30, 2009 07:39 AM (ymwj3)

56 Thune, maybe I can help you understand this a little better.

It isn't just this clemency. It's a whole string of questionable ones.

A study by the Arkansas Leader showed that between 1996 and 2004, Huckabee helped to free more Arkansas prisoners than were freed from all of Arkansas' six neighboring states--combined.

In 2004, The Arkansas Democrat-Gazette concluded that "9 percent of the prisoners who benefited from Huckabee's clemencies ended up in prison again."

Huckabee's pardons and commuted sentences as governor earned him extra attention during his bid for the Republican nomination in the 2008 presidential race. In 2007, Huffington Post published documents that contradicted Huckabee's story about the release of convicted serial-rapist Wayne Dumond in 1999. After Dumond was released from prison, he raped and murdered a 39-year-old woman and allegedly raped and murdered a pregnant 23-year-old woman before he was arrested and returned to prison.

Prosecutors at the time of Huckabee's governorship were incensed that he not only granted so many clemencies, but that he didn't even bother to explain WHY he came to his decisions.\

So the takeaway isn't never grant a clemency.

The takeaway is that you should ONLY grant a clemency after careful, thoughtful deliberation and in consultation with interested parties.

Because, as we've seen in at least two cases, clemencies have consequences.

Because of Fuckabee we've got 4 dead cops, a dead woman and her unborn child, and another woman traumatized by the gross, horrifying personal violation of rape.

Don't be so godamned cavalier with other people's lives. It's easy to be generous when others are forced to shoulder the costs. In fact, that's what leftists do every single day of their self-righteous fucking lives. Which is why I hate them.

Posted by: Warden at November 30, 2009 07:39 AM (lEqfY)

57 I fail to see how a decision about this man nearly 20 years ago can fairly be reflective of the man today. But the agency that cut him loose just days ago are not considered relevant.

Its real simple. He had 108 years on his original sentence. IF Huck-a-suck had left him to rot in jail for 33% of those 108 years those 4 cops would still be alive because he would still be rotting in jail.

Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2009 07:44 AM (CDUiN)

58

Thune, the lesson that I would take from this is that when prosecutors are screaming "What the F*&K do you think you are doing here?" and some of them go to the extreme lengths of filing suit against the state to get a clemency overturned, then MAYBE, just MAYBE you think to yourself "Hey, maybe this guy DOES belong in prison".

 

Or, when one of your mercy projects screws the pooch, MAYBE, just MAYBE you should accept some of the blame instead of passing the buck to the parole board.

 

I've now gone from "I'll never vote for the guy" to "I'll show up at Huckabee events with posters covered with pictures of the 4 dead cops & the 2 rape/murder victims from Huck's OTHER mistake".

Posted by: Russ from Winterset at November 30, 2009 07:46 AM (7n7Br)

59

He did it because he's got that warped view of Christianity which holds that you must forgive the criminals' transgressions even if it costs innocent third parties their lives.

In short, he's one of you.

Posted by: rickinstl at November 30, 2009 12:23 PM (0AEWQ)

More importantly, his clemencies were about making himself feel good.  He felt like he was doing them a favor and justified them by his religion.

I would say that this isn't as stupid as the furloughs from Dukakis, but he was crazy with commutations and pardons.  He had more than 700 in his first 8 years, more than the bordering states combined for that time.  That's Texas+Lousiana+Mississippi+Tennessee+Missouri+Oklahoma.

Clearly, he didn't look carefully at these and was looking for any excuse to be forgiving.  Of course, forgiveness wasn't his to give.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2009 07:46 AM (T0NGe)

60

Uh, TSgt, it wasn't twenty years ago, it was eight years ago when the Huckster did the deed of commuting this animal's sentence without regard for the strong objections of the local prosecutors who were most familiar with his case and situation!

Under the accepted concept of "felony murder", someone who starts a chain of events leading to the murder of a person, is equally as guilty as the murderer even though the chain-starter may not have been present when the murder was committed and the murder was committed at a later time!

 Think of this as that case taken to a logical extreme.

Posted by: Earl T at November 30, 2009 07:48 AM (Rsex3)

61 Not to deflect any responsibility from Huck, but lets reserve some bile for the judge in Washington who just let a career, violent felon walk on bond for child rape. (One account I read says he was on a 150K bond for child rape, assaulting an officer, and robbery; of course, the media could have that all screwed up.)

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2009 07:49 AM (NfURg)

62 You forgot to say that the Democrat base has a hard on for only black cop killers.

Posted by: Funeral Guy at November 30, 2009 07:49 AM (NNLlw)

63 I completely and totally agree that violent criminals should not have their sentences commuted. I am also against parole for those proven dangerous. I spit in the eye of governors, parole boards, criminal advocates and anyone else that lets these animals out on the street after they have proven themselves animals. I also think that violent criminals cannot be "reformed" as proven by the recitivism rate. I would be interested to see Huckabee's commutation rate in comparison to Clinton's (and GWB's). However, I don't know if we can blame Huckabee's christianity for this although I can see how you could make the case for it.

Posted by: dagny at November 30, 2009 07:53 AM (4tf69)

64 Where did he get 150K?  I'd think that the judge probably thought it was far beyond his means.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2009 08:00 AM (T0NGe)

65 I don't know if we can blame Huckabee's christianity for this although I can see how you could make the case for it.

We are not blaming Christianity. It was his interpretation of it we are blaming. And we base that blame on his own words. HE credited his religion with pardoning/commuting them.

Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2009 08:01 AM (CDUiN)

66 The story I read said that he put up $15,000 on a $150,000 bond.  I believe most bail bondsmen charge 10% (which they keep regardless) and they put up the rest.

Posted by: Peaches at November 30, 2009 08:01 AM (9Wv2j)

67 I've now gone from "I'll never vote for the guy" to "I'll show up at Huckabee events with posters covered with pictures of the 4 dead cops & the 2 rape/murder victims from Huck's OTHER mistake".

Indeed.

Posted by: Slublog at November 30, 2009 08:02 AM (qjKko)

68 Well Morons, it is 70°G here for probably the last time.

Must have porch rocker day. Back tomorrow.

Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2009 08:02 AM (CDUiN)

69 Peaches, so Dog and Boba Fett are after him?

Posted by: Jean at November 30, 2009 08:03 AM (7K04W)

70 We are not blaming Christianity. It was his interpretation of it we are blaming. And we base that blame on his own words. HE credited his religion with pardoning/commuting them.

Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2009 01:01 PM (CDUiN)

Huckabee is a Christian because he likes the sense of superiority he gets from it.

Posted by: AmishDude at November 30, 2009 08:04 AM (T0NGe)

71 26 that vaunted 8% of African-Americans who didn't vote for him?

Was it that big???

I thought he got 97% of the black vote.

Posted by: Vic at November 30, 2009 11:58 AM (CDUiN)




It was 95%.  And Kerry got 89%.  Does this have anything to do with murdered cops? No.

The Dem Party had a head start in brain-washing black Americans.  Get the fuck over it and get to work fixing it if you care that much.  If you don't...

Posted by: baldilocks at November 30, 2009 08:05 AM (EBu2h)

72 Two expressions I don't like to see juxtaposed in a paragraph: "Andrew Sullivan" and "hard-on"

Posted by: Carlesh Jhonnos at November 30, 2009 08:11 AM (9Sbz+)

73 away with thee, sock

Posted by: David Ross at November 30, 2009 08:11 AM (9Sbz+)

74

He did it because he's got that warped view of Christianity which holds that you must forgive the criminals' transgressions even if it costs innocent third parties their lives.

Posted by: rickinstl at November 30, 2009 12:23 PM (0AEWQ)




Exactly.  Forgiveness doesn't mean you have to inflict the criminal's presence upon the free public.  And heavenly redemption and earthly redemption are two separation things.  Biblically speaking (Old Testament) there is no earthly redemption for murder or rape, because these cannot be undone.  That's why the penalty is death.

Posted by: baldilocks at November 30, 2009 08:13 AM (EBu2h)

75

Earl,

I thought I just read that Huck reduced his sentence in 1990. So even if it was 2001, that is a long long time line to yesterdays murders.

Try to follow what I'm saying. I don't agree with Huckabee reducing sentences at all. Don't go there with me. I am looking at this purely on a "last chance to affect the outcome" basis. The courts here in my home state had this scum in custody just 6 days prior, with 8 felony charges against him and a very damning mental evaluation. All of which were *after* Huck reduced his sentence.

I'm just noticing that there seems to be an unreasonable willingness on our side to eat our own which only serves to provide cover for the other side. Shouldn't we really be focused on why Washington state let this guy onto the streets after everything that was clearly wrong with him *NOW*, not 8, 10 or 20 years ago. *NOW* as in this past week, under the very liberal leadership in Pierce county, this scum was turned out onto the streets.

I'm simply asking that we keep our rounds going down range toward the real and most current enemies who are most directly responsible for what has happened. Especially as the most responsible currently in office politicians posture and pimp on TV telling us all about how deeply concerned they are. Yet they will continue doing the very same crap that caused this.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at November 30, 2009 08:16 AM (ymwj3)

76 Huck could have forgiven the guy all he liked, but that didn't require the use of governmental  power to sanction his personal forgiveness.

Posted by: nickless at November 30, 2009 08:22 AM (MMC8r)

77 Now if we can find that picture of Mitt in bed with a dead sheep we just might be able to avoid disaster in 2012.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 30, 2009 08:25 AM (i3PJU)

78 I. Will. Not. Grant. Clemency. For. Any. Reason.

Works for me.

Posted by: dumb_blonde at November 30, 2009 08:40 AM (kgP2R)

79 Posted by: TSgt Ciz at November 30, 2009 01:16 PM (ymwj3)

Good points, but there are a lot of us out here whose heads explode every time mention is made of Huckabee as a potential candidate in '12 and are giddy at the prospect of him suffering sufficient collateral damage on this issue to put that meme to bed permanently. 

Posted by: Peaches at November 30, 2009 08:44 AM (9Wv2j)

80

I'm just noticing that there seems to be an unreasonable willingness on our side to eat our own which only serves to provide cover for the other side. Shouldn't we really be focused on why Washington state let this guy onto the streets after everything that was clearly wrong with him *NOW*, not 8, 10 or 20 years ago. *NOW* as in this past week, under the very liberal leadership in Pierce county, this scum was turned out onto the streets.

Posted by: TSgt Ciz at November 30, 2009 01:16 PM (ymwj3)

The question of whether Chrissy Gregoire runs a soft-on-criminals state still doesn't absolve Huckabee from the responsibility for letting this particular animal out of Arkansas's prisons.  There's nothing to suggest that he was particularly rehabilitated or readjusted to society when Huckabee somehow saw the spark of redemption in him.

Posted by: stuiec at November 30, 2009 08:48 AM (7AOgy)

81

Exactly.  Forgiveness doesn't mean you have to inflict the criminal's presence upon the free public.  And heavenly redemption and earthly redemption are two separation things.  Biblically speaking (Old Testament) there is no earthly redemption for murder or rape, because these cannot be undone.  That's why the penalty is death.

Posted by: baldilocks at November 30, 2009 01:13 PM (EBu2h)

I could never understand why Sister Helen Prejean was so concerned about keeping convicted murderers out of the death chamber.  I would have thought her concern would have been with their immortal souls, not their mortal bodies.

Posted by: stuiec at November 30, 2009 08:50 AM (7AOgy)

82 Two expressions I don't like to see juxtaposed in a paragraph: "Andrew Sullivan" and "hard-on"

Posted by: Carlesh Jhonnos at November 30, 2009 01:11 PM (9Sbz+)

Still getting those rectal pangs, eh, CJ?

Posted by: stuiec at November 30, 2009 08:50 AM (7AOgy)

83

(sorry can't read comments--this may be a repeat)

Huck on O'Reilly tonight. Hoping he tears Huck a new one for this--O'Reilly is most conservative when it comes to crime and letting the loons out. Should be a good watch to see who else Huck can blame.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at November 30, 2009 08:52 AM (pLTLS)

84

Under cover of Scripture, Hucks' Innate Weeniness won out.

Steal a loaf of bread ?  Yes, a "crime"   Physically assault another person - repeatedly ?  Imprison for 1st offense, and life 'em or fry 'em for subsequent offenses. That's far too simple for liberal mouthbreathers to grok

One of the few legitimate roles of government is to protect the citizenry from threats, criminal or extra-national. If they fail this, they abrogate their authority, and we are given ( implicitly ) the go-ahead to protect ourselves. We're getting close to that point; the Hassan PC CF, and the decisions to try KSM in civil courts are pathognomonic signs that the Fed ScumLeadership is beyond repair.

Plan accordingly

 

Posted by: OhioDude at November 30, 2009 09:04 AM (XtjBe)

85 I work at the UW, and, since my building is next to the bridge to the Medical Center, we're on lockdown.

My husband is retired law enforcement, and I told him last night (for the first time in years) that I'm glad he's retired.  5 assassinated cops in one month changes one's perspective.

Posted by: Marie at November 30, 2009 09:13 AM (p1beR)

86 Hope he gets shot on sight so he does not waste taxpayers' dollars like the Ft. Hood shitbird (does not deserve to be named)

Posted by: logprof at November 30, 2009 09:21 AM (I3Udb)

87 Politically speaking it seems that as far as clemency is concerned, better to let a 1000 inoccent stay locked up, then risk one person leaving and committing an offense that could tarnish the politician.

--Amen!

Posted by: Dwight Schrute at November 30, 2009 09:27 AM (I3Udb)

88 I am not schooled in the intricacies of pardons and commutations, but I believe there are two threshold questions to the consideration of a pardon:

a.  Has the convict reoriented his life toward law-abiding behavior and expressed remorse for his transgressions, and
b. What is the likelihood that he will engage in similar behavior?

I can't answer either question, but Clemmons' history speaks rather poorly on his behalf.

<blockquote>

In 1990, Clemmons, then 18, was sentenced in Arkansas to 60 years in prison for burglary and theft of property, according to a news account in Arkansas Democrat-Gazette. Newspaper stories describe a series of disturbing incidents involving Clemmons while he was being tried in Arkansas on various charges.

During one trial, Clemmons was shackled in leg irons and seated next to a uniformed officer. <b>The presiding judge ordered the extra security because he felt Clemmons had threatened him,</b> court records show.

<b>Another time, Clemmons hid a hinge in his sock, and was accused of intending to use it as a weapon. Yet another time, Clemmons took a lock from a holding cell, and threw it toward the bailiff. He missed and instead hit Clemmons' mother,</b> who had come to bring him street clothes, according to records and published reports.

<b>On another occasion, Clemmons had reached for a guard's pistol during transport to the courtroom.</b>

<b>When Clemmons received the 60-year sentence, he was already serving 48 years on five felony convictions and facing up to 95 more years on charges of robbery, theft of property and possessing a handgun on school property.</b> Records from Clemmons' sentencing described him as 5-foot-7 and 108 pounds. The crimes were committed when he was 17.

Clemmons served 11 years before being released.

News accounts say Huckabee commuted Clemmons' sentence, citing Clemmons' young age at the time the crimes were committed.</blockquote>

(Emphasis supplied.)

So, Huckabee granted clemency to a "kid" who had FIVE felonies and a demonstrated propensity for violence toward law enforcement and correctional authorities.  The chasm between that character and the required character for clemency is so wide as to be nearly unbridgeable, so any request for clemency on Clemmons behalf should have been viewed with extreme skepticism.  Huck the Suck, though, seems to have handed commutations and grants of clemency out like the grand marshal of a Mardis Gras parade handing out "gold" doubloons.  The sheer volume of the Suck's pardons and commutations lead one to question whether any of them were granted with even a modicum of consideration.

Can we coin a new term here at AoSHQ? 

Clemmonsy (var. clemmons-y): A pardon or commutation granted without due consideration that culminates in an act of extreme violence by the recipient of the pardon or commutation.

Posted by: Jazz at November 30, 2009 10:01 AM (hnq5i)

89

Clemmons has a long criminal history that reportedly includes at least 13 felony convictions, and most recently had been in jail on charges of child rape. According to the Times, he was sentenced to 60 years in prison in 1990 for burglary and theft, when he was 18 years old; he had already been serving a 48 year prison sentence at the time, and faced another possible 95 years behind bars on separate charges. Huckabee reportedly commuted that sentence, pointing to the fact that Clemmons was just a teenager.

Why, why, why was this guy on the street with this track record? This is the crux of one of the biggest problems with liberalism and liberals. They simply cannot get it through their heads that some people are flat out evil, and that when confronting evil, the only solution is to stamp it out. Evil people do not respond to multiple opportunities to repent and change, or to being nice to them on the chance that they will change their behavior. These will be perceived as weakness (insofar as someone evil even thinks about such attempts at clemency) and taken advantage of.

Someone commits a crime once, there is an appropriate punishment. But after three or four violent crimes, for God's sake, you give up and toss the perp in Pelican Bay for the rest of his life with minimum "maintenance" and forget about him so as to spare the rest of society from more predation. There are a gazillion problems out there and people who legitimately need help (requiring time and money). At some point you have to pull the plug on these predators and devote the dollars and effort spent on them to deserving causes. Unreal.

 

Posted by: RM at November 30, 2009 10:01 AM (GkYyh)

90 Interesting ...  Huckabee's Intrade position cratered with his supporters apparently going long on Pawlenty.

Posted by: mrp at November 30, 2009 10:03 AM (HjPtV)

91 HTM-FAIL.  Again. Dammit.  Years on this site and I still fuck up my posts.

Posted by: Jazz at November 30, 2009 10:03 AM (hnq5i)

92 Wow, a lot of people seem to be jumping on this opportunity to use this against Huckabee and his "brand" of Christianity. I don't blame anyone for disagreeing with his clemency decision, but I don't think it is the cause of what happened here. It really sounds like anti-Huckabee people using this for all it is worth. You don't have to support any political campaign he may run in the future, but hanging this on him and/or his religion seems very unfair to me.

Posted by: Texmom at November 30, 2009 10:04 AM (WzN8I)

93

I definitely don't see this as a matter of conservatives 'turning on their own'. This guy should never have received clemency in Arkansas, no matter who the governor was. I just hope they catch him, especially before he harms anyone else.

Posted by: JEA at November 30, 2009 10:12 AM (XZu3c)

94 Since when was that idiot Huckabee a conservative?

I always saw him as an opportunistic tv preacher graduating to a bigger collection plate.

Posted by: george at November 30, 2009 10:21 AM (icPdU)

95 grew up with officer griswald in shelton, she was a great person and she was very professional in her job.  she will be missed.

Posted by: luva the scissors at November 30, 2009 11:03 AM (QjKgz)

96

"The country's system of direct democracy is sacrosanct. The people are allowed to vote on any policy and to propose policy themselves, which is what they did on minarets."

Are allowed.  To vote.  Interesting take on democracy the writers have there.  Get this meatheads:  In a democracy, the goverment does what the people tell it to do.  The people rule.  A government that has the power to allow people to vote has the power to deny them that right.  That's not democracy.

Posted by: Satrboardhelm at November 30, 2009 11:10 AM (SgSfB)

97

oops -- wrong thread -- sorry.

Posted by: Satrboardhelm at November 30, 2009 11:13 AM (SgSfB)

98 hanging this on him and/or his religion seems very unfair to me

Huckabee is the one who dragged religion into it.  His explanation for granting this guy clemency was based on his religious beliefs. 

Posted by: Y-not at November 30, 2009 11:56 AM (sey23)

99

@65: "You forgot to say that the Democrat base has a hard on for only black cop killers."

No, they like white ones, too.  Ever hear of The Weathermen?

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at November 30, 2009 12:39 PM (vupGF)

100 Y-not, you got that right.

Huck made this about his religion.

Recall when W Bush wanted to pardon a born again woman on death row.  He said he just couldn't do that.  She had to pay the state's criminal system.  That's why leadership is hard. 

That ministers were able to get their born again monsters out of jail, because they were pals with Huck, is tragic and offensive to our people's ideals.  I have no beef with born again Christians, and many realize they can't just let rapists out of jail.

Posted by: The Nobel Peace Prize Committee (NPPC) at November 30, 2009 12:43 PM (t1sje)

101

O'Really just totally let Hucksterbee off the hook and blamed washington state.

 

What a pos.  Both of them.

Posted by: E.Holder at November 30, 2009 03:36 PM (LhCVS)

102 "They think he maybe on UW campus."

You mean he's already been offered tenure?

Posted by: pst314 at November 30, 2009 04:27 PM (XP0Bd)

103 89 Hope he gets shot on sight so he does not waste taxpayers' dollars like the Ft. Hood shitbird (does not deserve to be named)

Posted by: logprof at November 30, 2009 02:21 PM (I3Udb)





I'm glad he gets to experience life with his little "terrorist" not working.

Posted by: baldilocks at November 30, 2009 05:04 PM (UVr8s)

104 Huck made this about his religion.

Recall when W Bush wanted to pardon a born again woman on death row.  He said he just couldn't do that.  She had to pay the state's criminal system.  That's why leadership is hard. 

Posted by: The Nobel Peace Prize Committee (NPPC) at November 30, 2009 05:43 PM (t1sje)




W didn't want to pardon Karla Faye Tucker.  Confused Christians like Pat Robertson did but W told them to um...go to hell. 

I always wondered what happened to that version of GWB when he became president.  I guess 9/11 freaked him out.  Join the club.

Posted by: baldilocks at November 30, 2009 05:14 PM (UVr8s)

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