April 28, 2009

Scott Rasmussen: Future of GOP Lies Beyond the Beltway
— Ace

I hope so.

To be relevant in politics, you need either formal power or a lot of people willing to follow your lead. The governing Republicans in the nation's capital have lost both on their continuing path to irrelevance.

The disconnect between D.C. Republicans and Republicans throughout the country has been growing for nearly 20 years, but it became more intense and noticeable during the waning years of the Bush administration.

Perhaps the final straw was the $700 billion bank bailout plan pushed through Congress last fall despite strong voter opposition. For all the furor unleashed this spring by congressional Republicans about President Obama's $787 billion stimulus plan, the Bush-era bailouts last fall were approved with virtually no advance notice and no guidelines as to how the money would be spent. Looking back, most voters and nearly eight-out-of-10 Republicans now believe the bailouts were a bad idea .

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The gap between Beltway Republicans and the Republican base is part of a wider gap between the Mainstream and the Political Class. On many issues, the gap between Mainstream Americans and the Political Class is bigger than the gap between Mainstream Republicans and Mainstream Democrats.

But Political Class Democrats control Congress and the White House while their GOP counterparts have little in the way of power and influence to overcome the disconnect with their base. One immediate result of this is that senior senators like Arlen Specter and John McCain now are facing primary challenges. Other challenges may follow. It used to be possible for Republicans in Washington to argue that they needed someone like Specter or McCain to hang on to the majority but no longer.

Look for the Republican Party to sink further into irrelevancy as long as its key players insist on hanging around Congress or K Street for their ideas. The future for the GOP is beyond the Beltway.

But if that's true, we're looking at a 20 year cycle of minorty-party rebuilding. Who knows what America might look like after we've had our time in the wilderness.


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1 Rasmussen is not taking into account revolution.

Posted by: jon at April 28, 2009 09:59 AM (aZ2jd)

2 Rasmussen is not taking into account revolution

As well he shouldn't, because it's not going to happen.

Posted by: Slublog at April 28, 2009 10:01 AM (qjKko)

3 But if that's true, we're looking at a 20 year cycle of minorty-party rebuilding. Who knows what America might look like after we've had our time in the wilderness.

I would agree with that if Obama and Congress were attempting to moderate their positions or even moderate how it looks, they aren't. The rebuilding will be as accelerated as Obama's agenda is. Which at this point lookslike it's on Warp Speed or maybe Tarp Speed.

Posted by: Rocks at April 28, 2009 10:03 AM (Q1lie)

4
Who knows what America might look like after we've had our time in the wilderness.

  America will hold the values and policies of Western Europe and look like a ghetto.

Posted by: D-ling at April 28, 2009 10:03 AM (5QbWF)

5

Every time they call and ask for money I ask them what conservative principles they put into policy when we had the majority.  The typical response is something along the lines of "But, the Democrats..."

Being just marginally less worse than the Democrats is not much of a governing philosophy, but it appears to be all they've got at this point.

Posted by: CavMedic at April 28, 2009 10:04 AM (UyFYg)

6 Is it time for a "rebranding"?  Is the GOP so tarnished that we should give up trying to save it and instead put it out of its misery.  The US political system's equilibrium state always results in two parties, but there have been times when that equilibrium has broken down (Whig Party, Dixiecrats).  An authentic fiscally conservative, anti-corruption, somewhat populist party not called the Republicans with a lot of fresh faces could potentially do well.  It could even win over ethnic groups that are now lost to the GOP because their members are anti-GOP, even though they may favor many conservative ideas (African Americans, for example).

Posted by: NYCcon at April 28, 2009 10:04 AM (jLXdE)

7 Who knows what America might look like after we've had our time in the wilderness.


That's easy. The UK circa 1975 with a Spanish accent.

Posted by: DrewM. at April 28, 2009 10:04 AM (hlYel)

8

"But if that's true, we're looking at a 20 year cycle of minorty-party rebuilding."

It is true as is exactly what the sane people have been telling you.

"Who knows what America might look like after we've had our time in the wilderness."

See 50's and 60's. Biggest middle class gains and economic growth in the history of the world.

And I'd suggest to take a good long hard thought on Senator Specter today. He is gonna kick Toomey's ass and you've lost another GOP seat for who knows how long. Though you might liked everything Specter did, I didn't either, he was a reasonable man.

Posted by: honest cloud at April 28, 2009 10:06 AM (hOPQH)

9 #6 - Time for the beltway Republicans to just fade away and a new conservative party to emerge. The problem is all politicians, on both sides, are such power whores, the moment they get elected they forget all about representing the folks who elected them.

Posted by: IC at April 28, 2009 10:07 AM (jZNCU)

10 I remember the Dems being on the verge of collapse several times in the last few decades.

And we could just do what they did to get back Congress in '06:  Run conservative candidates, not liberal ones.

Posted by: nickless at April 28, 2009 10:08 AM (MMC8r)

11 8 out of 10 Republicans thought the bail outs were a bad idea.  This makes sense seeing as how 8 out of 10 Republicans are ideological retards.

Posted by: thomas at April 28, 2009 10:09 AM (KOLiq)

12 > Who knows what America might look like after we've had our time in the wilderness

Forget it.  You will be too old by then and will have been processed into Soylent Green via state run health care.

Posted by: The Chewbacca Defense at April 28, 2009 10:10 AM (AYVkM)

13 "honest" cloud,

What were the debt to GDP ratios of the US in the 50s and the 60s?
What was the deficit as a percentage of GDP?

After you answer those two questions, you'll either reconsider your analogy (not likely) or continue to be a lying Axelrod douche (That's where my money is.).

Posted by: Nom de Blog at April 28, 2009 10:10 AM (fnU+z)

14 And if it takes 20 years to rebuild the party, so be it. What is the point of having politicians like Specter who at the end of the day, is only interested in looking out for his own best interests? Makes me wonder why he went into public service in the first place.

Posted by: IC at April 28, 2009 10:11 AM (jZNCU)

15 Specter' s gone and the Republican Party is better for it. Many more need to go. Purity is needed now so that in the future there will be no voter confusion as to their electoral choices. When the lines are clearly drawn, I'm inclined to think Republicans will once again be the majority party. Although, on the other hand, this country may now be so stupid (see honest cloud above) that small government conservatism is dead for good. In any event, we'll know for sure once the voters are given clear choices. And by the way, Specter is just another hack, another embarrassment. At least he's the democrats' now. Good riddance.

Posted by: Dave at April 28, 2009 10:11 AM (Xm1aB)

16

It won't take 20 years.  It won't even take 10.  Obama and the donks are already badly overreaching and when the ramifications of their policies start to hit home, many people, including the third of the population that registers as Independent, will freak.

At the beginning of Bush's first term, the term permanent Republican majority was bandied about.  Bush the Repubs lost their shit and then just lost.  Elections have consequences.  So does policy.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2009 10:11 AM (VW9/y)

17 thomas (cum erg),

Really? So the bailouts were a fantastic idea? So you're in favor of a TWO TRILLION DOLLAR deficit? Wonderful.

And you actually have the gall to criticize those who opposed the systematic bankrupting of the US?

Posted by: Nom de Blog at April 28, 2009 10:12 AM (fnU+z)

18 Posted by: Nom de Blog at April 28, 2009 03:10 PM (fnU+z)

50s/60s growth was also before LBJ's 'Great Society' made so many Americans into wards of the state.

Posted by: nickless at April 28, 2009 10:12 AM (MMC8r)

19 Posted by: honest cloud at April 28, 2009 03:06 PM (hOPQH)

You're joking right?

The New Deal spending prolonged and deepened the Great Depression. The economic boom of the 50's and early 60's was due to the fact most of the world aside from the US had been destroyed in the 30's and 40's.

Unless you are planning on leveling Europe and Asia, I don't think this is going to work out how you think it will.

But then I don't have an accounting degree....

Posted by: DrewM. at April 28, 2009 10:13 AM (hlYel)

20 "honest" cloud,

What were the debt to GDP ratios of the US in the 50s and the 60s?
What was the deficit as a percentage of GDP?

After you answer those two questions, you'll either reconsider your analogy (not likely) or continue to be a lying Axelrod douche (That's where my money is.).
Posted by: Nom de Blog at April 28, 2009 03:10 PM

Do you own fucking research if you have a point to make.

How's that for an answer?

Posted by: honest cloud at April 28, 2009 10:14 AM (hOPQH)

21 nickless,

I'm aware. But I want to tamp "honest" cloud down with one or two admissions of fact at a time. That's the most one can hope to achieve.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at April 28, 2009 10:15 AM (fnU+z)

22 #20 - Heh! You don't know how to research facts, do you? Don't worry, it is a well known fact that most libtards have double digit IQs.

Posted by: IC at April 28, 2009 10:16 AM (jZNCU)

23 All of you jackasses, all of you, please, please keep it up.

No ideas. Nothing. Not a single idea except to criticize Obama.

I know that El DrugBo has made a lot of money off you losers by Obama bashing but take a good look at where it has taken you.

Your leader is a three time divorced, sex tourist, fucking drug addict for God's sake.

Posted by: honest cloud at April 28, 2009 10:17 AM (hOPQH)

24

Perhaps the final straw was the $700 billion bank bailout plan

My final straw came with his third amnesty attempt. I'd already given up on him by the time the bailouts came around.

Posted by: flenser at April 28, 2009 10:17 AM (RL5sB)

25 nickless,

See what I mean? "honest" cloud refuses to admit that his analogy is hogwash because the underlying economic issues are different. It was just that easy to get him to admit his own lying.

"honest" cloud,

Both the debt to GDP ratios and deficit to GDP ratios were much lower in the 50s and the 60s. That's common knowledge to somebody with advanced degrees in international trade, finance and economics like me.

Perhaps they didn't teach you economic history in your accounting program.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at April 28, 2009 10:17 AM (fnU+z)

26 Who knows what America might look like after we've had our time in the wilderness. I'm thinking it'll look like Detroit, but without all the lovely green spaces and economic vibrancy.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 28, 2009 10:18 AM (xGIqT)

27

No ideas. Nothing. Not a single idea except to criticize Obama.

As opposed to your own thoughtfull and well crafted posts, which deserve inclusion in the Federalist Papers.

Posted by: flenser at April 28, 2009 10:19 AM (RL5sB)

28 honest cloud,

If you are so damn super smart, how come you have all day to spend trolling rightwing websites?

Shouldn't a person of your 'gifts' have, you  know, a job?

BTW- are you going to answer my #19? When does the bombing begin?

Posted by: DrewM. at April 28, 2009 10:20 AM (hlYel)

29

See 50's and 60's. Biggest middle class gains and economic growth in the history of the world.

 

 

buffoon,

what will the debt be after 4 years of accelerating obama spending? what will taxes be to pay for it all?

will the american middle class ever see the tax burden of the 50s again?

will american industry grow at 50s levels considering after '45 all the competition was in smoldering ashes? oh but all our hopenchange will just increase our capacity of out-inovating and out-producing all our competion right?

 

Posted by: turtle at April 28, 2009 10:21 AM (PWj7B)

30 Rush's ratings are higher than ever. So are Fox's, beating CNN and MSNBC combined. The Tea Parties were a huge middle finger to the wealth redistributionists. Getting productive, middle-class folks pissed enough to take to the streets is something I've never seen in my lifetime. Thank you Obama. Tip. Of. The. Iceberg.

Posted by: Dave at April 28, 2009 10:21 AM (Xm1aB)

31 No ideas. Nothing. Not a single idea except to criticize Obama. Here's an idea: Why don't you go fuck yourself with a rusty shovel, troll?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at April 28, 2009 10:22 AM (xGIqT)

32 "But if that's true..." Quit whining. A majority of voters know the bailouts are a bad idea. There's your Republican party. How can it take 20 years to figure that out?

Posted by: t-bird at April 28, 2009 10:22 AM (FcR7P)

33 nickless,

See what I mean? "honest" cloud refuses to admit that his analogy is hogwash because the underlying economic issues are different. It was just that easy to get him to admit his own lying.

Oh, it's obvious.

Now this troll has settled back into the hyperbole he usually engages in:  wild opinions put forward as fact, ad hominems, and simply avoiding the issues he has no response for.  I particularly like the posts where he leads off with 'you people are stupid!' in the hope that it boosts his contentless rebuttals.

Axelrod needs better on-the-job training.

Posted by: nickless at April 28, 2009 10:23 AM (MMC8r)

34 And I'd suggest to take a good long hard thought on Senator Specter today. He is gonna kick Toomey's ass and you've lost another GOP seat for who knows how long. Though you might liked everything Specter did, I didn't either, he was a reasonable man.

Republicans didn't lose anything.  In case you didn't notice Specter votes against the Republicans anyway.  At least now they won't have a double agent in the room when they caucus.

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 28, 2009 10:24 AM (IqfKc)

35

Who knows what America might look like after we've had our time in the wilderness.

Remember that little shanty town Lord Humungous, the Ayatollah of Rockanrolla, was terrorizing in The Road Warrior?  That, except 10 times worse and with no gasoline to fight over.

Posted by: EC at April 28, 2009 10:24 AM (mAhn3)

36

what will the debt be after 4 years of accelerating obama spending? what will taxes be to pay for it all?

You're wasting your time.  I tried to get him to explain how Obama was going to stimulate the economy, spend trillions of made up money and not raise taxes at the same time.  He just turned into a stuttering idiot.

In fairness, he was probably a stuttering idiot to begin with.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2009 10:25 AM (VW9/y)

37 RE; 50's and 60's

Yeah, there was a ton of different stuff going on back then, that is not (probably will not) be repeated.  Let's start with the ACTUAL distribution of wealth at the time.  Poorest segment of society in 1960 -- people over the age of 60.  Think they are going to vote themselves back into poverty now that they are ready to retire?  Nope, their kids will be paying off the chinese for that retirement loan. 
What else was different? Well, to amplify the above, we could actually sell things like steel and autos to the rest of the world.  Was it because the product was excellent?  Nope, the reason was most of the rest of the industrialized world was destroyed.  Even Unions don't think there is going to be a resurgence in Manufacturing.  They want to organize in "Big Box" retailers.  THink we're going to expand the middle class by giving people who work at Walmart a 50% raise?  Dream on.  I could go on and on about how things really are different now when compared to the 50's and 60's but suffice it to say that HC knows about as much about history as he does accounting. 

Posted by: sears poncho at April 28, 2009 10:26 AM (uj/0b)

38

Suppose the GOP retakes the White House and the Congress.  I wonder if it will make any difference.

When the GOP has held the reins of power, they essentially handed it over to the Dems to make the terms.  If they get into power again, I think the same thing will happen.  The GOP will be too scared to piss off the Dems and the Media.

 

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at April 28, 2009 10:26 AM (kLWtB)

39 "Republicans didn't lose anything."

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 28, 2009

An idiotic remark even for a wingnut.


Posted by: honest cloud at April 28, 2009 10:28 AM (hOPQH)

40 I tried to get him to explain how Obama was going to stimulate the economy, spend trillions of made up money and not raise taxes at the same time.

No, remember, he said Obama's already CUT taxes, but couldn't tell us where or how.

Posted by: nickless at April 28, 2009 10:28 AM (MMC8r)

41 I'll be back when this asshole is gone.

Posted by: Javems at April 28, 2009 10:28 AM (hq71Y)

42 #38 That's why the GOP must be thoroughly cleansed of the filth of "moderation" and/or liberalism. In this manner, the new leaders of the party will more likely be committed conservatives who will not drop their pants and bend over when the leftists and the MSM come calling.

Posted by: Dave at April 28, 2009 10:29 AM (Xm1aB)

43 No ideas. Nothing. Not a single idea except to criticize Obama.

Heh. Troll makes more funnies.

Posted by: Slublog at April 28, 2009 10:30 AM (qjKko)

44 We really need to find a better class of troll.  The ones we have are pathetic.

Posted by: kefka at April 28, 2009 10:32 AM (fKivs)

45 Rush's ratings are higher than ever.

So are Fox's, beating CNN and MSNBC combined.

The Tea Parties were a huge middle finger to the wealth redistributionists. Getting productive, middle-class folks pissed enough to take to the streets is something I've never seen in my lifetime. Thank you Obama.

Tip. Of. The. Iceberg.

Posted by: Dave at April 28, 2009

By all means go for it. And don't forget the Newtster, Hannity, and Rove. They are all popular wingnut media figures.

And remind me again where they have led you.

And the teabaggers? Too funny. Do you mean the "I hate Obama" rallies. They didn't even know what they were protesting.


Posted by: honest cloud at April 28, 2009 10:33 AM (hOPQH)

46 You want to know what the dregs of the Great Society looked like? Geezers will remember the open sewer that was New York in the mid-1970's, or gangland-L.A. in the early 1980's. Rampant crime, high rates of unemployment, systemic governmental corruption, moribund business, sky-high tax rates...welcome back to the 1970's, people. Things will probably have to get worse before they get better.

I've always believed that conservatism -- true conservatism -- is a "natural minority" in politics because it involves doing unpleasant and unpopular things. The GOP in the Bush years fell into the "compassionate conservatism" domestic trap, and basically became Democrate-lite in terms of fiscal, social, and tax policy. A robust national-defense plank was really the only thing that differentiated them from the more centrist Democrats, and when the focus on defense abated, the Republicans were left with no real center of gravity.

I think (hope) that some liberatarian ideals -- particularly Federalism, strict term-limits, small government, and an overhauled tax policy -- will transform the GOP in years to come. Much depends on the new crop of GOP politicans now coming up; I don't think the GOP old guard is really redeemable. If John McCain was the best they could do, then it's probably just as well that they go back to the minor leagues and start building up some prospects.

The main advantage for the GOP is that they don't have to worry about running against smart, dedicated, or capable people. All we have to worry about is running against Democrats, who can be counted upon to fuck things up royally. The process is already underway, and the stink ought to be extreme enough by 2010 for the GOP to begin rebuilding the dyke.

If not? Well -- it was a lovely ride while it lasted. Democratic societies don't last very long, historically; we had a pretty good run.

Posted by: Monty at April 28, 2009 10:33 AM (N13AA)

47 Honest Cloud is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I've ever known in my life.

Posted by: erg at April 28, 2009 10:34 AM (MMC8r)

48 Fellating unicorns will do that to ya!

Posted by: honest cloud at April 28, 2009 10:37 AM (VmtE9)

49 Who was it who said America is over when the populace realizes it can vote itself money?  Some Frenchie, I think...

Posted by: nickless at April 28, 2009 10:38 AM (MMC8r)

50 Javem- that's what he wants you to do.  He's not interested in persuading anybody or else he would try to engage with an argument.  He's just here to insult and annoy. 

Posted by: Matt at April 28, 2009 10:38 AM (ecpMe)

51

See 50's and 60's. Biggest middle class gains and economic growth in the history of the world.

Posted by: honest cloud at April 28, 2009 03:06 PM (hOPQH)

Wait... are you suggesting that Obama is going to start a world war to boost the economy?

Posted by: DoDoGuRu at April 28, 2009 10:42 AM (xBkZj)

52

Who was it who said America is over when the populace realizes it can vote itself money?

 

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship."

Alexander Fraser Tyler, "The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic"

So we got that to look forward too.

Posted by: JackStraw at April 28, 2009 10:46 AM (VW9/y)

53 Thanks JackStraw.  I'd heard that so long ago I'd forgotten the attribution.

Posted by: nickless at April 28, 2009 10:48 AM (MMC8r)

54 Who was it who said America is over when the populace realizes it can vote itself money?

The original quote seems to have lost it's attribution, if this is the one to which you were referring.

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years."

Posted by: Chimney Sweep #8 at April 28, 2009 10:49 AM (kIjlp)

55 Who knows what America might look like after we've had our time in the wilderness.

This essay paints as good a picture as any regarding where this moribund republic is headed.  The future is nebulous, but some of the republic's features may be coming to an end.

Posted by: George Orwell at April 28, 2009 10:49 AM (r7tiD)

56

Finally a tasty troll! I do miss those adorable nincompoops when they are not around.

Honest cloud.... thanks for giving the better members of our community some target practice but if you would be so kind as to argue some facts (okay ANY fact) rather than "your feelings" we could make this more sportin' for ya....but then again the facts are rarely on your side.

I know feelings are so important to you but once you go back on your medication and the real world returns you will realize the world does not run on hope, rainbows, or unicorns. At the end someone has to pay the bills.

The economic model which floats your boat (probably Sweden in '70s as it is often quoted as the perfect example) was a monumental failure.

It has taken decades in Sweden to undo the terrible damage the socialists did ... but they are doing it because at the end ... someone had to pay the bill. Socialism does not work... no matter how MUCH you REALLY want it to.

Posted by: UofC Conservative at April 28, 2009 10:55 AM (3FkM/)

57 Hey, honest cloud,

I hope someone takes a mossberg, shoves it into your rectal cavity and empties it in rapid succession.

People like you, when the civil war happens, will be crushed under my feet. You will be waterboarded, electroshocked, and forced to listen to hours upon hour of John Gage.

Posted by: Pipe Barackage at April 28, 2009 10:57 AM (Z9IOH)

58 C'mon let's be honest, clod -- the lib vision of America is not the America of the '50s and '60s.  Their vision is of a more "humble" nation.  A nation that does not use its unfair share of the world's resources.  And Bambi has got the pedal to the metal onboard the debt death express.  The real national debt is more in the range of $56 trillion (there's a link for you, since apparently the complexities Google are beyond capabilities).  Add on top of that another $6 trillion (assuming his rosy predictions are correct and his health care "solution" costs what he says it will).  When the Chinese decide to stop funding the largess of the US gov't and the rest of the world see a weakened country and demand a move to a new base currency America will look absolutely nothing like America in the '50s and 60s.

Posted by: rockhead at April 28, 2009 10:57 AM (DvaIL)

59 Without the DemSM, the propaganda arm of the liberals collapses. They have one foot in the grave and the other on a grease spot. One good push and they're toast.

Cap and Trade will devastate Hollywood once theaters have to greatly increase prices to cover the costs of an electricity intensive business. Will people pay 30 buck a ticket to sit in a sweaty concrete room watching recycled lefty pablum?




Posted by: kbdabear at April 28, 2009 11:01 AM (miw86)

60 Gotta say, Honest Cloud's arguements are so vacuous I am beginning to just skip over them.  I regret the waste of time spent when I accidentally read halfway through his comment or reading the responses to the wingnut.  Like throwing a squid on the ice during a hockey game, it was interesting once or twice but now he's only tedious.

Posted by: Dan at April 28, 2009 11:03 AM (ygjiI)

61 I'm thixth feet theven incheth and weigh 266 poundht and bench press 523 poundths!!!!

Bring it wingerths! I know ACCOUNTINGS!!

Posted by: honest cloud at April 28, 2009 11:05 AM (hOPQH)

62

does this mean we can get rid of Steele now?

pretty please with sugar on top?

Posted by: shoey at April 28, 2009 11:06 AM (IRh55)

63 This is news? Idiots.

Posted by: mare at April 28, 2009 11:08 AM (X1fsj)

64

Rebuilding after the 1974 mid-terms took six years under that vaunted moderate, Ronald Reagan, Ace.

I wrote earlier today that the Republican's problems are personified in two people--Ted Stevens and Arlen Specter--one for hubris and greed, the other for incoherence and stupidity.  (Add the Maine twins and Lindsey Graham to that second camp.)

We have some great Republican governors and some capable congressional types who, if given the chance, can turn this train around.  What is needed now, not next week or next month or next year, is a new chairman of the national party who understands what the the problems are.  Mister Steele sure isn't it.  I think someone like Duncan Hunter or Fred Thompson may be. 

Quit fighting the last election and definitely quit should, coulda, woulda-ing Specter.  Find a message (a simple one) and beat it to death.  This is not rocket science--it's politics.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at April 28, 2009 11:09 AM (B+qrE)

65 "Republicans didn't lose anything."

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at April 28, 2009

An idiotic remark even for a wingnut.

Posted by: honest cloud at April 28, 2009 03:28 PM (hOPQH)


So what exactly did we lose? A number on a tally, which only counted 10% of the time? oooh, huge devastating loss.

Posted by: kerncon at April 28, 2009 11:09 AM (S4d07)

66 Destroy the media as we've known it and save the country.

It really is that simple.

I'm not sure how you do that while maintaining a constitutionally free press, though.

Posted by: tsj017 at April 28, 2009 11:10 AM (TBwnU)

67 When the GOP has held the reins of power, they essentially handed it over to the Dems to make the terms.  If they get into power again, I think the same thing will happen.  The GOP will be too scared to piss off the Dems and the Media.

Yeah, this is my take.  The GOP is trapped in a classic prisoner's dilemma.  What's good for an individual legislator is damaging to the party.  At the same time, a crippled party will keep Republicans from winning marginal districts and ensure GOP legislators who get elected are never actually in a position to exercise real power.

It may be time for a new party.

Posted by: Ace's liver at April 28, 2009 11:11 AM (XIXhw)

68 It looks like the Obama presidency is America's punishment for its racial sins.  You'd think that a couple of millions dead in a civil war would be enough.

Posted by: AmishDude at April 28, 2009 11:19 AM (T0NGe)

69

I agree this would be a perfect time to oust Steele. I initially supported him, but his non-performance since then soured my enthusiasm.

How hard can it be to criticize the stupidity and incompetence coming out of Washington on a daily basis? Why isn't Steele releasing a Youtube video every single day outlining why the Obama administration is taking us in the exact wrong direction? Why is Steele ignoring all this low-hanging fruit? Shit, do what your competition on the left does: pick something, anything, and start hammering away.

There are many good reasons to start now, and many more good ideas to propose as an alternative.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 28, 2009 11:20 AM (ZGhSv)

70 I think everyone here's missing the even bigger picture.

In the end, there will be only chaos!!!111!!!

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at April 28, 2009 11:20 AM (otlXg)

71 Its not time for a new party, but it is time to take ours back from the people currently in charge of it. A few good elections can swiftly change the face of the GOP and get us going again. Guys like McCain and Specter have always hurt our message, suggesting its not good enough for the dumbass "swing voter". We make points with principles, not with bargaining and self-effacement. We don't need to genuflect at the moderate altar because we do not require smoke and mirrors to show the strength of our platform. The great leaders of conservatism past didn't waiver in their resolve, and we don't need to either, seeing as we need some new leaders. We have a special opportunity in our hands. Once more, we are reduced to a grassroots effort. Conservatism as a grassroots element is difficult to stop, as there is no class warfare to use against us.

Posted by: Regulus at April 28, 2009 11:21 AM (/O08Q)

72 You and your friends really want to make a difference? Then do not buy any GM product that will make a goverment/union owned business a success. Once they show some profit (which is doubtful) they will try to take over other businesses. Make them fail.

Posted by: Jack is Back! at April 28, 2009 11:23 AM (ZHxvN)

73 The left is ascendant.  Specifically, the Howard Dean/MoveOn/Daily Kos left.

The moonbats.  They're in charge now.

Our worst fears have been realized.

This business of being a knuckle-dragging right-wing extremist isn't for pussies.

We've gotta sac up.

Posted by: tsj017 at April 28, 2009 11:23 AM (TBwnU)

74 I never put much faith in a pollster making predictions.

Think about it. Scott Rasmussen and other known pollsters making their living from measuring current and historic data, in this they are experts.

What they are not experts in are making predictions. When they do so, they perform malpractice.

Moreover, since we essentially have a two-party system, how does his forecast compare with where the opposition sits?

The tea parties appealed not just to Republicans but to Democrats and Independents who are fed up with out of control spending, growing government control, and the like. And, based upon past Rasmussen research, we know that the "political elite" as he describes them are out of touch. Last I checked, "political elite" applies to both parties.



Posted by: Barry da man Obamacan at April 28, 2009 11:23 AM (NLtVk)

75 I hope someone takes a mossberg, shoves it into your rectal cavity and empties it in rapid succession.

People like you, when the civil war happens, will be crushed under my feet. You will be waterboarded, electroshocked, and forced to listen to hours upon hour of John Gage.
Posted by: Pipe Barackage at April 28, 2009

Class. All class. And let me guess. You're a Christian too.

Interesting that my previous post gets taken down and you leave the post up that wishes for my violent death.

Good old GOP values. On full display.

Posted by: honest cloud at April 28, 2009 11:27 AM (hOPQH)

76 We've gotta sac up.
Posted by: tsj017 at April 28, 2009

No. You need to smarten up. You've got no ideas. No solutions. Nothing.



Posted by: honest cloud at April 28, 2009 11:29 AM (hOPQH)

77

I believe that most of the gap between real American conservatives and the "leaders" of the Republican party is due to massive and grotesque regionalistic bigotry by the North Eastern/Urban backgrounds of the same. They accept the smears and stereotyping the Left's done for the last fifty years in portraying Christians as wacko, small towns as seething incestuous crime pits full of hypocrisy, and themselves as Superior Beings for being from an urban, "sophisticated" background.

I think they really do believe that they (as the Left asserts constantly) are superior to other Americans in *sniff* 'flyover country'. This, of course, is anathema to even thinking like a conservative, because it is on it's face an anti- and un-American attitude. But it makes them feel as if we are mere troglodytic farmers or sweaty losers that they spend time listening to so that we give them their due - power.

It's a startlingly close parallel to Democrat attitudes, since they too treat their consituents as beasts they are milking for votes.

Real Republican leaders must reject this regionalistic bias - root and branch. Conservatism does not recognize pseudo-aristocracy, nor does it stomach the idea that urban areas are the sole source of American power. Conservatism recognizes only that the People Rule, and those that say, "I am intrinsically superior" in manner or words are to be shunned.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at April 28, 2009 11:30 AM (EnNiL)

78

I predicted 30 years of darkness (no pun intended) when numbnuts got elected. If McLame had won, it would have probably been 15 years.

I hope America proves me wrong, but now that more than half the nation has their hand in someone else's pocket, I don't see how it can go down any other way.

They could really screw us into being the new Zimbabwe (we're sort of headed there now), but I think (I hope) there'll be some mid-course corrections so that in the end we look like France. They don't take baths because they're French. We're going to be forced into it by the Greenpeace eco-terrorists. The French haven't done a successful military campaign since the first Nepoleonic wars. Barry and company are going to turn our military into a UN Meals on Wheels to feed the train wreck kleptocracies of the UN. Etc., etc., etc. We're definitely becoming France. ["Please pass the cheeze."]

Please America, prove me wrong. God help us all.

Posted by: chuck in st paul at April 28, 2009 11:34 AM (jDpso)

79

Interesting that my previous post gets taken down and you leave the post up that wishes for my violent death.

Good old GOP values. On full display.

 

 

No one here wishes a violent death for you. A painful natural caused one will suffice. What was your user name on RWN? Blackspeak, Wino, GayUnemployedMexican (a real user name)? You write like one of the larger douches that used to post there.

Posted by: Dick_Nixon at April 28, 2009 11:35 AM (kaOJx)

80 Is honest cloud our new resident troll? I think I miss SeatleSlough or whatever...

Posted by: Alex at April 28, 2009 11:35 AM (FkZ+B)

81 Hmmm.

I guessth the truth hurts. Ya bunch of yellow bellied cowardly losersth.

Can't take the truth that I'm a MODERATE!!

I ams a truths tellersth!!

THATHS WHY I AM CALLED HONESTHS CLOUDSTH!!!

TRUTHS!!! ACCOUNTINGSTH! ECONOMBRICKSTH!!!

YOU ARE WINGERSTH!

Posted by: honest cloud at April 28, 2009 11:35 AM (hOPQH)

82 Now I will CELEBRATES this EPIC VICTORY by experimenting with some light ANAL play using only my indexth finger!!

Posted by: honest cloud at April 28, 2009 11:38 AM (hOPQH)

83

Hasn't the future of the GOP always rested outside the Beltway.  The area within the Beltway is a reservation fron lepers, trolls, ogres, the collected scum of every law school in the nation and every male whore ever created.

Ever met someone whose ambition it was to be a politician?  Did you survive the encounter?

When you think of the morals, intelligence and integroty of such an individual does the name Honest Cloud ring a bell?

 

Why would anyone want to be part of the Dhimmirat Party who wasn't a corrupt,  devious, lying sack of shit?  Look at their leadership and you see the image of people who rob graves.

Posted by: Vladmir Putin at April 28, 2009 11:50 AM (0Qynq)

84
Is honest cloud our new resident troll? I think I miss SeatleSlough or whatever...

He had me checking to make sure that Tubino* was all right.

*famous troll from 3 or 4 years ago

Posted by: geoff at April 28, 2009 11:53 AM (Y7gRN)

85 This 20 and 40 years in the wilderness is just a libtard wetdream/talking point.
In the past it might have been true, but now with more people having more access to information and the levers of power government turn over will happen much quicker.
What conservatives have to understand is the critical importance of getting their message out, and keeping control of it. Right now they're doing a poor job of both. They're not reaching many of the young, they're not really educating citizens on what they believe and why, and its tough because its not sound-bite-able and its not visceral.
Unfortunately guys like Steele may be masters on the cable shows, but they're not really getting all the voters they could be.

Posted by: Iblis at April 28, 2009 11:56 AM (9221z)

86 Term limits.

Posted by: Reiver at April 28, 2009 11:58 AM (BcsKu)

87 Let the Dems take the credit, but mostly blame, for everything from here on out.  Given the new size of government, crushing, it won't be long before there's a need for a limited government party.  Not to be confused with the Republican Party of the last eight years.  Throw in Obama's hatred for our allies and untoward love for our enemies, and it's not that hard to imagine a set of events in foreign policy which drives the Democrats from office in two and four years hence.  Politics is driven by (mostly) unforeseen events.   But some aren't that hard to predict generally: hyperinflation, China cuts off the spigot, wars in Asia and the Middle East, heavy-handed government intervention into daily life, health care rationing, and quality of health care dropping to crap level to name several. 

Or, maybe socialism will work this time.  I'm pretty sure it's never been tried.  That's what I learned in college anyway.  Marxist fundamenalists will really implement Das Kapital this time.  It's a brave new year zero here in Oceania.     

Posted by: Chip Abu Hussein Sayf Al-Dawla Islam at April 28, 2009 12:08 PM (sOtz/)

88

Future of GOP Lies Beyond the Beltway Lower 48

 

http://tiny.cc/PdRmB

 

 

Posted by: Mr. Wednesday Night at April 28, 2009 12:32 PM (7dXKM)

89 Twenty years?  Try never.  With a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate, the Democrats will effectively legislate opposition out of business.  Once amnesty passes, even Texas may wind up a blue state.  Chavez was elected the first time, too.  The same changes will happen here.  Remember, even our Consitution only means what 5 people in black robes say it means.  We had a nice run, but it's over.

Posted by: OCBill at April 28, 2009 12:48 PM (WGXy4)

90 If Republicans are clever, (and they're not), this is the point when they start talking about "restoring balance." Americans have historically been leery of one-party rule. And the Democrats pretty much have absolute power, now. Middle of the road voters might well be persuaded to vote Republican just to keep the Demoncrats in check.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at April 28, 2009 12:53 PM (d2fuu)

91 I have only read a few posts, sorry if I am redundant. Today, April 28, 2009, will be remembered as the end of something. I'm not sure what but Specter switching sides and giving the D's control over 2 of the 3 branches, with enough time left to accomplish a great deal of work is as much a milestone as Obama getting elected. The Republican Party is clearly at it's lowest point in a very long time and largely by its own hand. They don't have the media on their side either and going forward there is no possibility that they ever will. So, in the future, when we look back on today, what ended and what began? On April 28, 2009 The Republican Party was made completely irrelevant and impotent at the National level and then..., what?

Posted by: CozMark at April 28, 2009 01:14 PM (klUBn)

92 i don't think it will take twenty years to get things back on track. it will take maybe an election cycle or two. but first and foremost, republicans need to win the next presidential election or gain control of congress. we need divided government if we are to have a government that serves the interests of the people - all the people, not just a select few.

one of the problems is the media, and popular culture. another problem is that we've raised a generation that is clueless about the evils of communism and socialism. i have met more 20 somethings who become glassy eyed when you point out that 100 million people died under communism, or that an unalienable right is a right that can't be taken away even by a majority vote. they simply have no understanding of how the economy works, nor the benefits of capitalism. and that is why the young 20 somethings are so enamored with these old old ideas that have proven unworkable and poverty-inducing. i even had one tell me we need a dictator. shocking, eh? absolute idiocy.

Posted by: annak at April 28, 2009 01:38 PM (M4IOE)

93 This is tedious; ban 'im. Please.

Posted by: davis,br at April 28, 2009 02:58 PM (uCShA)

94

we're looking at a 20 year cycle of minorty-party rebuilding

Bull. I remember people thinking the Democrats were done ten years ago - now look at them. Things change quickly when the world sits on the edge of a cliff.

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at April 28, 2009 05:22 PM (zT6Nn)

95 Mark Levin read this whole thing in his first hour last night. AMEN to all of it. Dick Morris also says what Obama and the Dems are doing now may very well put them in the wildnerness sooner rather than later and for a good amount of time. There are different types of revolutions, folks. Our side does not need a charismatic messiah but we do need principled leaders with optimism and conservative ideals. America is NOT dead yet, despite all the efforts of the Hate America party and the dumb Go Along to Get Along party.

Listen to Mark, read his book and teach your kids!

Posted by: Peg C. at April 29, 2009 02:05 AM (cEAy0)

96 The future of the GOP lies in a re-education camp.

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