November 29, 2014

Saturday Politics Thread: Now With More Butane [Y-not]
— Open Blogger

Terrible week in Ferguson.

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For some reason, in the midst of all the unrest, the junior senator from Kentucky thought that publishing this would be helpful:

In the search for culpability for the tragedy in Ferguson, I mostly blame politicians. Michael Brown's death and the suffocation of Eric Garner in New York for selling untaxed cigarettes indicate something is wrong with criminal justice in America. The War on Drugs has created a culture of violence and put police in a nearly impossible situation.

In Ferguson, the precipitating crime was not drugs, but theft. But the War on Drugs has created a tension in some communities that too often results in tragedy. One need only witness the baby in Georgia, who had a concussive grenade explode in her face during a late-night, no-knock drug raid (in which no drugs were found) to understand the feelings of many minorities -- the feeling that they are being unfairly targeted.

Three out of four people in jail for drugs are people of color. In the African American community, folks rightly ask why are our sons disproportionately incarcerated, killed, and maimed?

African Americans perceive as true that their kids are more likely to be killed. ProPublica examined 33 years of FBI data on police shootings, accounted for the racial make-up of the country, and determined that: "Young black males in recent years were at a far greater risk of being shot dead by police than their white counterparts - 21 times greater."

Can some of the disparity be blamed on a higher rate of crime in the black community? Yes, but there is a gnawing feeling that simply being black in a high-crime area increases your risk for a deadly altercation with police.

Helpful to solidifying his cult status with a certain segment of youth, that is.

Because otherwise I don't see why he felt the need to open his pie-hole, especially given that Mike Brown was under the influence of marijuana when he made that fateful decision to attack a police officer.

I am so done with him.

I will, however, take a serious look at Mr. Wilson (hat tip: CDR M's overnight thread).


Open thread. (Feel free to thread-jack to more pleasant topics, btw.)

Posted by: Open Blogger at 04:50 AM | Comments (232)
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1 Useful idiots.

http://t.co/aQjxjZRt3Q

Posted by: weirddave at November 29, 2014 04:48 AM (KAmzK)

2 Oh wait, was I supposed to say "First"? Damn, I'm no good at the nuances.

Posted by: weirddave at November 29, 2014 04:48 AM (KAmzK)

3 From the previous thread: ~ ~~ ~ 120 Phoenixgirl posted this on Twitter: http://tinyurl.com/kybbufe "I've got six f****** kids to feed." But the cops didn't arrest the protesters because they were peaceful.

Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2014 04:50 AM (Ua6T/)

4 I couldabeen a contendah.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 04:50 AM (rwI+c)

5 [I'm no good at the nuances.[/i]
No, you're just weird.

Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2014 04:50 AM (Ua6T/)

6 Eleventh?

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at November 29, 2014 04:51 AM (xdMK5)

7 Who uses butane anymore? 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 29, 2014 04:51 AM (1/vWy)

8 Boobs.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at November 29, 2014 04:51 AM (MbqmP)

9 Moar Midnight Basketball!!!!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 29, 2014 04:52 AM (NeFrd)

10 The Tube says firearms are the big Christmas gift this year. Shocker that.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 04:52 AM (rwI+c)

11 I'm just stealing stuff from Morons On Twitter: http://tinyurl.com/mqbcxvx h/t Retread I LOLed.

Posted by: Mama AJ at November 29, 2014 04:53 AM (0xTsz)

12 Who uses butane anymore? Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 29, 2014 09:51 AM (1/vWy) People making hash oil? Err, not that I know anything about that.

Posted by: Anderson Cooper's Smoked Sausages at November 29, 2014 04:53 AM (MbqmP)

13 err Firearms and firearms accessories rather. Sweet Mother Firearms **Hank Hill voice**

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 04:53 AM (rwI+c)

14 My reply to Rand Paul, from previous thread. It's not about the war on drugs, it's about a war on families: You can trace the start of black America's decline directly back to the 60's and Hte "Great" Society. One of the hard and fast rules of economics, and this applies to public and private $$: If you want more of something, subsidize it. Want more wheat production? Subsidize it. So what happens when you subsidize having kids out of wedlock via AFDC? Well, friends, you get a 2-fer: more babies, and absent fathers. And the one thing that almost everyone can agree on when looking at issues in the black community: the disintegration of the family structure is destroying black America. There is racism in America, and it comes from white liberals.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 29, 2014 04:53 AM (5buP8)

15 It's the "War on Poverty" plus "War on drugs". Both are needed to create where we are today.

Posted by: HoboJerk, Re-branded at November 29, 2014 04:55 AM (E8IHS)

16 I read only as far as, "Michael Brown's death ... indicate something is wrong with criminal justice in America." Actually, the 'criminal justice' aspects here, the cop's action and the grand jury decision, are the only things that seem right in this whole situation.

Posted by: mindful webworker at November 29, 2014 04:57 AM (Vgz5H)

17 I forgot to mention how racisty racist voter ID laws are.

Posted by: Rand at November 29, 2014 04:57 AM (Ktnum)

18 what? where did that strikeout come from ?

Posted by: mindful webworker at November 29, 2014 04:58 AM (Vgz5H)

19 As regards the "earthy" hippie influenced pie in the last thread . . . When we make pumpkin pie now, we ditch the crust, double the recipe, bake it in a 9 X 13 dish instead of a pie pan, and substitute the evaporated milk with real effin' cream. Everybody gets a huge square and it's gone, gone, gone.

Posted by: Elinor, Who Usually Looks Lurkily at November 29, 2014 04:58 AM (NqQAS)

20 where did that strikeout come from ?
It caught the outside corner. Siddown.

Posted by: home plate umpire at November 29, 2014 04:59 AM (Ua6T/)

21 Thank you, Frederick Wilson II. That's a young man with balls the size of grapefruit.

Posted by: t-bird at November 29, 2014 05:00 AM (FcR7P)

22 Here's a reply from the hippies: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dT8dpkgHurc I think that's Lena Dunham singing lead....

Posted by: naturalfake at November 29, 2014 05:00 AM (KBvAm)

23

Goodnight from Down Here and it's Sunday

 Have a wonderful yesterday everyone!

 

 

Posted by: aussie at November 29, 2014 05:00 AM (U+r+e)

24 >>Posted by: mindful webworker at November 29, 2014 09:57 AM

Yeah, that's how I feel.

I object to a U.S. senator using a local crime story (truly, b/c I don't think Brown committed a federal crime, did he?) from a different state to pimp his pet issue.


Anyway, I apologize for this negative post. I will get back on the 2016 horse race next week. Swearsies.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 05:00 AM (9BRsg)

25 Rand Paul is dead to me. Such promise, and then the familial insanity reared it's ugly head.

Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2014 05:01 AM (AIGBI)

26 Local news here in Colorado all had bits about the pot shops doing black Friday sales. The local Fox outlet had clips from customers and they all sounded stoned. I was web surfing not really watching so I don't know if the customers looked like dullards also. Its a pity the other channel we watched did not see fit to show their audiences "this is your brain on pot"

Posted by: PaleRider at November 29, 2014 05:03 AM (7w/kf)

27 ...at a far greater risk of being shot dead by police than their white counterparts - 21 times greater." **** I saw a study quoted by the American Academy of Pediatrics after Sandy Hook that declared an individual was four times more likely to be shot during a physical assault if that individual was carrying a gun as opposed to not carrying a gun. After they had controlled for all the confounding factors. (The factors they considered confounders included: 1. Being outdoors 2. Being on drugs 3. Being drunk 4. Being in high crime areas 5. Being in low income parts of town 6. Nighttime Because none of those things could conceivably have any role in the likelihood of getting shot, hmmm?!

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 29, 2014 05:04 AM (NeFrd)

28 I get that the war on drugs has been an expensive failure. But let's say we legalize ALL drugs tomorrow. (Because that's what the truly dogmatic Libertarians want), and we turn all drug offenders out of prison. How is the black community better off?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 29, 2014 05:04 AM (5buP8)

29 >>Posted by: PaleRider at November 29, 2014 10:03 AM

Really sad about Colorado. Ordinarily, it'd be the sort of place we'd consider moving to at some point, but not now.

Of course, it seems as if the entire country has gone kookoobananas, so I suppose soon most states will follow suit.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 05:06 AM (9BRsg)

30 If Rand Paul were serious as a player on the national scene he would be proposing an end to the cycle of dependency by generations of poor whites and blacks. Like AFDC... you have one child by "accident" then you get assistance because you are poor, uneducated and you kept an unintended birth instead of aborting it. But the next one - or five - is on you. Sorry. If you are currently on AFDC or any of the other related and redundant social programs then you will be weaned off over the next five to seven years. If you don't like being poor, then do something about it. But if you don't, then you have decided to be poor and that is not something the American tax-payers should have to pay for. That kind of policy statement stuff is what Rand should be doing, instead of just poking his head in the door to stay relevent.

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at November 29, 2014 05:06 AM (xdMK5)

31 Maybe someone could get Rand a bicycle for Christmas so he doesn't have to ride that same old raggedy-ass hobby horse everywhere he goes.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon, a solid man at November 29, 2014 05:07 AM (NeFrd)

32 Blame LBJ and Sandy Day O'Connor yes,

But after 60 years of yoking the taxpayer AKA Caucasians ,

My empathy level is on E, I mean fumes, souled out, not in stock, discontinued.

Sorry but after 80  Guvermint agencies  spawned to develop help needy minorities and more than a Trillion Dollars, 

The End

As as MLK said it will not be pretty,

But the spicket is closed


Posted by: One Eyed Jackson MI at November 29, 2014 05:10 AM (/WmRg)

33 He's not my favorite politician by a long stretch, but let's try for a bit of perspective here: Would you rather have Rand Paul in the White House, or Barack Obama ? Personally, I'd take his brand of crazy over Dear Leaders in a heartbeat. Maybe that's just me, though.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 29, 2014 05:10 AM (go6ud)

34 Rand Paul can blow me.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 05:10 AM (zwdxl)

35 I saw a study quoted by the American Academy of Pediatrics after Sandy Hook that declared an individual was four times more likely to be shot during a physical assault if that individual was carrying a gun as opposed to not carrying a gun. I stubbed my toe after reading that sentence. Their grasp of the obvious is firm.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 29, 2014 05:11 AM (5buP8)

36 FBI crime stats. Blacks commit inter-racial violent crime (rape, murder, robbery, assault) against whites 25x more often (per capita) than whites do to blacks.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 05:12 AM (zwdxl)

37 ...or were they saying the victim was 4X more likely to be shot if the victim was packing??

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 29, 2014 05:13 AM (5buP8)

38 Rand Fucking Paul. That's right nut job carter to the black voters and conspiracy nuts. That should push you over the edge in electoral votes

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 29, 2014 05:14 AM (W6Tct)

39 FBI crime stats. Blacks commit homicide 10x as often, per capita, as whites do. Whites commit homicide 4x as often, per capita, as asians do. Blacks commit homicide about 40x as often as asians. Want to avoid getting murdered? Hang out exclusively with old asian women.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 05:14 AM (zwdxl)

40 >>Would you rather have Rand Paul in the White House, or Barack Obama ?

That's not the choice we'll be facing.

Frankly, I would probably take Hillary over Rand.


Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 05:15 AM (9BRsg)

41 Good question Sir Robin. I understand that giving cops a 'war' mentality has resulted in some abuses of property and 4th amendment rights. But violent black youth is just as much about the politics of "we can't impose the same standards on these urban poor blacks as we do on middle class white youth" Plus the LBJ liberals tying welfare to being a single mom. I suppose there were some Social study idiots who thought they would 'break the cycle of violence' by having poor urban kids raised only by nurturing females, but some of the people who set that up had to know how things would work out and set it up that way because of real racism.

Posted by: PaleRider at November 29, 2014 05:15 AM (7w/kf)

42 Maybe Obama Holder & Rand Paul should sponsor a 'How to Interact with the Police' training program for youths who have no experience dealing with authority figures 'Fxck the police' is not a successful strategy in these situations In the weeks after this event, we reminded our kids if the proper way to respond to the police Respectfully Even if you think you're being wrongfully hassled by the man said we Respectfully comply You can call your atty later and go to court if be essay but you have to survive the encounter to do that Officers are afraid for their lives Respectfully comply Don't consent to a search, but be respectful and comply if you can

Posted by: ginaswo at November 29, 2014 05:15 AM (+X1qa)

43 @ 39 unless your at a Mahjong game with them

Posted by: One Eyed Jackson MI at November 29, 2014 05:16 AM (/WmRg)

44 Can't I just risk it and hang out with young Asian women?

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 29, 2014 05:16 AM (5buP8)

45 In Ferguson, the precipitating crime was not drugs, but theft. NO, DUMBASS, IT WAS ASSAULT. Wilson did nothing more than attempt to get out of his car.

Posted by: --- at November 29, 2014 05:16 AM (MMC8r)

46 So Rand tried to curry favor with the media by throwing Republicans under the bus and calling conservatives racists? Shock face.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 05:16 AM (zwdxl)

47 Anybody still "Stand with Rand"? What an oddball loser; as predicted, the apple did not fall far from the crazy-tree.

Posted by: JJ Stone at November 29, 2014 05:16 AM (nbgPm)

48 Frankly, I would probably take Hillary over Rand. Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 10:15 AM (9BRsg) Well I wouldn't. At least Rand doesn't lie about his positions....

Posted by: Jen the original at November 29, 2014 05:16 AM (hjTr7)

49 Want to avoid getting murdered? Hang out exclusively with old asian women.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 10:14 AM (zwdxl)


How about hanging out with young Asian women, seems like that should help?

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 29, 2014 05:18 AM (fL/7/)

50 Sen. Rand's response is like Pres. Obama's in offering these nuanced opinions at the wrong time. Office-holders have an obligation to defend strongly and without apology the legitimacy of government from the protesters' exaggerated claims of unjust government. That's why the constitution included Article VI clause 3 mandating an oath to defend the constitution by all elected officials.

Posted by: dedomeno at November 29, 2014 05:18 AM (UccCH)

51 25 Rand Paul is dead to me. Such promise, and then the familial insanity reared it's ugly head. Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2014 10:01 AM But I do like his hair

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 29, 2014 05:18 AM (W6Tct)

52 Well I wouldn't. At least Rand doesn't lie about his positions.... -- No, he just lies about us.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 05:18 AM (zwdxl)

53 If kickoff coverage begins at 6:30PM CST, when should the rowdy fan begin his serious drinking?

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 05:18 AM (rwI+c)

54 Posted by: --- at November 29, 2014 10:16 AM (MMC8r)

Assault x 2, don't forget the shopkeeper!

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 29, 2014 05:19 AM (fL/7/)

55 >>>>>Want to avoid getting murdered? Hang out exclusively with old asian women.<<<<<<

Unless the LAPD are around.

Posted by: the guy that moves pianos for a living... at November 29, 2014 05:19 AM (M6Vhk)

56 49 Want to avoid getting murdered? Hang out exclusively with old asian women. Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 10:14 AM (zwdxl) How about hanging out with young Asian women, seems like that should help? Posted by: Hrothgar at November 29, 2014 10:18 AM (fL/7/) Only if young Asian males don't show up

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 29, 2014 05:19 AM (W6Tct)

57 Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 10:18 AM (rwI+c)

27 minutes ago.

Slacker.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at November 29, 2014 05:19 AM (Zu3d9)

58 ...Would you rather have Rand Paul in the White House, or Barack Obama ? Posted by: sock_rat_eez I know this is a rhetorical question but I believe it's a false choice. Why are our only choices crazy people who may either intentionally or unintentionally do serious harm to America? I guess I am longing for a practical, straight shooter like Reagan, who could describe the folly of a government agency with such skill that everyone would be climbing over each other to be the first to kill it. Most of government is outside their scope, silly, wasteful, corrupt, duplicative and ineffective. If a Scott Walker or Rick Perry could only learn this skill I think there is a large and receptive audience who would cheer them.

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at November 29, 2014 05:20 AM (xdMK5)

59 Hillary over Rand? Don't think so. As goofy as rand is how much less money would be spent. You deprive the progtards of public money they go away.

Rand, I think would be able to take quite a bit of that money away. Hillary? Increases anyone?

Posted by: GMB - Tyrant 2nd Class at November 29, 2014 05:20 AM (C8x6r)

60 44

oops didn't see that in time

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 29, 2014 05:21 AM (fL/7/)

61 Rand Paul is turning into a world-class panderer Fuck him

Posted by: TexasJew at November 29, 2014 05:21 AM (Xckl7)

62 Rands trying to takeover the Obama coalition for 16 Youths minorities ...he isn't trying for women, guess he figures HRC will dominate the dem women votes Will the GOP even try to appeal to the largest and most ignored voting block. The WWC HRC can win the WWC if she breaks from Obama early and often

Posted by: ginaswo at November 29, 2014 05:21 AM (+X1qa)

63 54: exactly. Are the cops even called if it had been only shoplifting?

Posted by: PaleRider at November 29, 2014 05:21 AM (7w/kf)

64 My thoughts on Ferguson, I feel sorry for the locals, if I were them I would be making plans to move, and I would hate to have to leave my own local roots so unfortunate. I apologize for the drivebys but commenting on iPad is slow and family is now awake. Good day, Horde

Posted by: MountainTurtle at November 29, 2014 05:21 AM (oD2+n)

65 >>No, he just lies about us.

^This.

He has done this multiple times. And the fact that this wasn't some ill-phrased comment given in an interview but an actual written column timed with the riots is just the steaming turd on top of the cake.

I don't trust him on foreign policy and his priorities domestically are out of whack.

I would rather have a Democrat in the WH that the GOP would oppose, than a "Republican" with whom they'd feel compelled to work.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 05:22 AM (9BRsg)

66 Only if young Asian males don't show up

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 29, 2014 10:19 AM (W6Tct)


Very good point!

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 29, 2014 05:22 AM (fL/7/)

67 Assault x 2, don't forget the shopkeeper! The shop keeper was so terrified, he didn't call it in. A witness called 911.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 29, 2014 05:22 AM (5buP8)

68 i could never vote for hillary benghazi.... her freedom index voting record score is 19% a whole 2 pts higher than the scoamf

Posted by: phoenixgirl @phxazgrl 98 days until Spring Training at November 29, 2014 05:22 AM (u8GsB)

69 Rand paul is not the POTUS to have if you're going into a 20 yr war in the Middle East as the generals like Jack Keane say

Posted by: ginaswo at November 29, 2014 05:22 AM (+X1qa)

70 53 If kickoff coverage begins at 6:30PM CST, when should the rowdy fan begin his serious drinking? Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 10:18 AM (rwI+c) My guess would be high noon

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 29, 2014 05:23 AM (W6Tct)

71 I would rather have a Democrat in the WH that the GOP would oppose, than a "Republican" with whom they'd feel compelled to work.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 10:22 AM (9BRsg)


Like the vigorous opposition to Obama I expect from the House and Senate in 2015-2016?

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 29, 2014 05:23 AM (fL/7/)

72 TexasJew
Are you a geologist?
Someone was asking (yesterday or the day before) how long oil takes to form from plants.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 05:23 AM (9BRsg)

73 Like the vigorous opposition to Obama I expect from the House and Senate in 2015-2016?
---

I know what you mean, but imagine how much worse it'd be if Obama had an R next to his name.

Tribalism and cronyism means that the two parties are at least somewhat opposed to each other, imho.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 05:24 AM (9BRsg)

74 The native-Americans here in Montana have the same complaint. A dozen of them marched in Great Fall and protested at the federal court house yesterday. "We are over-represented in jail and prison populations." Yes dammit, they are. And you know who's going to fix that? Only themselves. Stop becoming addicted, stop doing crimes. Stop going to jail. And if you can't break that cycle, stop blaming the tax paying public for not wanting to put up with your sh#t.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at November 29, 2014 05:25 AM (0GgrH)

75 We don't normally like to give Republicans media time and good PR cause they almost all are so mean and white and racist. If only there was some brave and decent Republican willing to stand up and talk about how Republicans are all mean and white and racist. Now that's the kind of Republican we can support! An honest Republican.

Posted by: ProgMedia at November 29, 2014 05:25 AM (zwdxl)

76 I would rather have a Democrat in the WH that the GOP would oppose, than a "Republican" with whom they'd feel compelled to work. Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 10:22 AM ( Y-not, perhaps 25 years ago the GOP would oppose a democratic president. Not now. Sadly not now.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 29, 2014 05:25 AM (W6Tct)

77 Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 29, 2014 10:22 AM (5buP

But Wilson knew about the shopkeeper assault, IIRC.

Posted by: Hrothgar at November 29, 2014 05:25 AM (fL/7/)

78 >>The native-Americans here in Montana have the same complaint.

How is Montana as a place to live? I've never been there but am curious.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 05:26 AM (9BRsg)

79 I know this is a rhetorical question but I believe it's a false choice. Why are our only choices crazy people who may either intentionally or unintentionally do serious harm to America?
Posted by: Daisy Cutter at November 29, 2014 10:20 AM (xdMK5)


Because, idiot, every conservative pol that shows a lick of sense and ability to speak to problems is immediately ambushed and butchered by a partisan media.

And all liberals actually intend to do harm to America either due to treasonous indoctrination in their fancy universities,  or out of actual treasonous intent.

Posted by: Kindltot (not misspelled, just archaic) at November 29, 2014 05:27 AM (t//F+)

80 Benghazi !!! Menendez and the underage Dominican hookers!!

Posted by: Tighter at November 29, 2014 05:27 AM (ADHN1)

81 78 >>The native-Americans here in Montana have the same complaint. How is Montana as a place to live? I've never been there but am curious. Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 10:26 AM (9BRsg) Going to be a dental floss tycoon?

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 29, 2014 05:27 AM (W6Tct)

82 Daisy cutter, sorry.  I'm pissy now and not fun.

      My apologies, that was uncalled for on my part.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 29, 2014 05:28 AM (t//F+)

83 Oh, I'd still vote for Rand over Hillary. But I'd vote for any Repub over any Dem at the Presidential level. I'm all about dat lesser evil. I just think Rand is a lying, opportunistic dirtbag. He's trying to become the new McCain -- the Republican the media loves cause he'll shit on other Republicans.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 05:28 AM (zwdxl)

84 Michael Brown got EXACTLY what he deserved, just as did Trayvon Martin. What young black males really need is to get an understanding that criminal activity will get them killed or incarcerated for the rest of their lives. They also need to understand that the rest of us, knowing how wildly disproportionate the young black male share of violent crime is, will have not the slightest bit of sympathy for them and will be loudly cheering for those who lock them up or shoot them down.

Posted by: mac at November 29, 2014 05:29 AM (NbXjh)

85 But Wilson knew about the shopkeeper assault, IIRC. My guess is that he (Wilson) heard the call as he was instructing Brown to get the hell out of the street. Brown realized he was busted, and it was on.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 29, 2014 05:29 AM (5buP8)

86 I've enjoyed seeing Brown's mother going around saying there's no way her little son could have instigated a confrontation with someone. For some strange reason none of the "journalists" interviewing her ask about what he was caught doing on camera five minutes before he encountered Wilson. And I still can't get over the fact that minutes after committing a felony they thought walking down the middle of a highway was the smart thing to do.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at November 29, 2014 05:29 AM (SQkRc)

87 Rand, even if every cop was Black, the stats would be about the same. Cops avoid arresting rich kids in rich neighborhoods and concentrate their efforts on the rest of us. A Venn diagram should help clarify things for you.

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2014 05:30 AM (MQEz6)

88 My guess would be high noon Though a moron, I'm not a professional drinker. I'm thinking hotdogs and beer at about 5, then steady consumption for the next 5 hours culminating in two finger one eye closed commenting on the victory.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 05:30 AM (rwI+c)

89 Oh, and Roll fcking Tide, Roll!

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 05:30 AM (rwI+c)

90 And I still can't get over the fact that minutes after committing a felony they thought walking down the middle of a highway was the smart thing to do. In fairness, they were high.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 05:31 AM (rwI+c)

91 88 My guess would be high noon Though a moron, I'm not a professional drinker. I'm thinking hotdogs and beer at about 5, then steady consumption for the next 5 hours culminating in two finger one eye closed commenting on the victory. Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 10:30 AM (rwI+c) Just recalling my younger days tailgating at Lambeau Field

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 29, 2014 05:32 AM (W6Tct)

92 69 Rand paul is not the POTUS to have if you're going into a 20 yr war in the Middle East as the generals like Jack Keane say
Posted by: ginaswo at November 29, 2014 10:22 AM (+X1qa)


Isn't he the one who wants Congress to officially declare war on ISIS and Al Queda and similar extreme Muslim groups?

I don't feel popular at all reading this blog of late, because I agree with that.

I fail to understand the common sense of 20 years of "pin pricks", which is the current strategy, and will remain the strategy for as long as a President must seek permission to respond to the obvious.

Vietnam, Desert Storm, and Iraqi Freedom are all examples of what happens when wars are conducted undeclared and total surrender is not the goal.

I participated in one of the above, and my son participated in another.  Same results.

You don't go in without Congressional buy-in.
When you do go in, you win the goddam thing.

Posted by: jwb7605[/i][/b][/u] at November 29, 2014 05:33 AM (ZALPg)

93 So Michael Brown's last words actually were "You are too much of a pussy to shoot me."?

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 05:33 AM (zwdxl)

94 A false choice ? Well, certainly not one we'll ever face. I want to see what you want to see, absolutely. A truth teller, not a word-mincer. The problem with politicians of all stripes today can be summed up in one word: liars. But the point I was trying to make was along the lines of Reagan's; someone who you agree with 51% is your ally, not your enemy.

Posted by: sock_rat_eez at November 29, 2014 05:33 AM (go6ud)

95 In Detroit, a white Detroit police officer had his second trial for reckless discharge of a gun end in mistrial after a young black girl was killed during a drug raid. The first trial also ended in a mistrial. This was the infamous The First 48 TV show that was being filmed showing the raid. The TV cameraman was outside and didn't capture what happened inside, which is where the youngster was shot. The officer has said that the grandmother started screaming at him and grabbed at his gun, causing him to pull the trigger and a shot hit the little girl in the head. She denies this of course, and then in this second trial, came unglued in the courtroom and started screaming at the officer that he was lying , that he killed a little baby, etc. and the trial almost ended in a mistrial right then. Grandma was her own worst enemy. Apparently, the jury once again, looked at crazy Grandma and decided that it was completely plausible that she had grabbed the officers gun, since she appears to be unable to control her hysterics two years later in the courtroom. So we have a little girl who is dead and a police officer whose life and career are destroyed. He has to live with this now, even as he has been found not guilty via a mistrial. And Rand's solution to this is that we should legalize all drugs so that drug raids don't happen. This little girl would have been so much better off, in his mind, if she were to continue to be surrounded daily by druggies and the money it takes to buy drugs and the resultant illegal efforts the people around her would need to get the money to buy those now legal drugs. Instead of suggesting that possibly the culture and economic opportunities be improved for blacks so that they didn't feel they HAVE to live like this. Black's being shot by police officers is a symptom. Dr. Rand has completely missed the diagnosis. Remind me not to have him remove any cataracts for me.

Posted by: Jen the original at November 29, 2014 05:34 AM (hjTr7)

96 >>My guess would be high noon

>>>Though a moron, I'm not a professional drinker.


This is why the good Lord invented Bloody Marys and Mimosas! :-)

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 05:34 AM (9BRsg)

97 This past week Ferguson made me happy and sad. Happy that Officer Wilson was not charged. Sad that protestors were allowed to loot & destroy. The command should've been shoot, shoot to kill

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 29, 2014 05:34 AM (W6Tct)

98 ...Because, idiot... Hmmm, memo to self. Remember to bring pepper spray to AoS on Saturday mornings...

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at November 29, 2014 05:35 AM (xdMK5)

99 This week, Rajan Menon reviews "Putin's Kleptocracy," Karen Dawisha's book about Vladimir Putin's rise to power. The book argues, in part, that Putin has extensive links to organized crime.

In April, Dawisha shared with The Economist a letter she received from her longtime publisher in Britain, Cambridge University Press, saying it could not proceed with the book because of the country's strict libel laws. "The decision has nothing to do with the quality of your research or your scholarly credibility," an executive wrote. "It is simply a question of risk tolerance in light of our limited resources."

Dawisha wrote back, expressing disappointment that "even the most significant British institutions" would "cower and engage in pre-emptive book-burnings as a result of fear of legal action." She suggested that writers "come to terms with the difficult situation that no empirical work on corruption (and probably many other topics) should be published with a British publisher."

Posted by: Obama Forks America at November 29, 2014 05:35 AM (e8kgV)

100 93 So Michael Brown's last words actually were "You are too much of a pussy to shoot me."? Yup. That's right up there with: "Give me a fork so I can get this tost out." And, "Hold my beer and watch THIS."

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 29, 2014 05:36 AM (5buP8)

101 Y-not, thanks for doing the extra bit it takes to make the print big enough to read when you embed a vid or a pic. And now, back to reading.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 29, 2014 05:37 AM (cneZH)

102 I agree this was not the right time or circumstance to push his hobby horse issue, but I'm still not going to write him off as a candidate.

There was much in that piece I actually did agree with.  What happened in Ferguson is very much a result of idiot politicians and our Great Society programs that breed poverty and crime.

I don't agree with Rand Paul on 100% of the issues, but I'm sure as hell not going to support Hillary over Rand Paul over some trivial issue like this. 

Posted by: Altec at November 29, 2014 05:37 AM (13G+x)

103 jwb7605: "When you do go in, you win the goddam thing." While I fully agree with your sentiment, you neglected a very important point. Both the President and the Congress need to decide just exactly what is going to constitute a "win" BEFORE going in. That's what did Bush in with the Iraq war. If you have that determined beforehand, then the goalposts can't be moved by the left-wing bastards.

Posted by: mac at November 29, 2014 05:37 AM (NbXjh)

104 Montana today is...cooooold!!! 8" inches of snow overnight, high temp today -5. Windchill -25. Other than that. Not too bad. Low unemployment. Wages not great, but cost of living not outrageous. If you're into outdoor activities it's all good. The down side, I think there are more meth-heads per capita here than anywhere else. It's why the native-Americans end up in jail.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at November 29, 2014 05:37 AM (0GgrH)

105 Just recalling my younger days tailgating at Lambeau Field I was ejected from about half the home games I attended at the Capstone for drunken scuffling, mostly before the game even began. The Fraternities would send their pledges to 'reserve seats' for the brothers in the student section which the rest of the students refused to recognize. I was always baffled why the pledges didn't figure out that wearing clip on ties would have avoided giving your opponent a ready handle to whale away on your. In fairness, our Jesus hair presented the same opportunity.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 05:37 AM (rwI+c)

106 Thanks, fairweatherbill.

I'm curious about MT, WY, NM, and OK.

I already know TX is good.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 05:39 AM (9BRsg)

107 You don't go in without Congressional buy-in.
When you do go in, you win the goddam thing.


We HAD it and we WON - but DEMOCRATS

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at November 29, 2014 05:39 AM (DL2i+)

108 Ted 'effing' Cruz/Scottie Walker 2016

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 29, 2014 05:39 AM (W6Tct)

109 I realize Paul the Younger's approach may well alienate the base, but I suspect he is attempting to cut the 10-20% of persuadable black Democrats out of the herd. I don't know how we accomplish that in the short term without demagoguing the issue of criminal justice. Approaching it from the angle of the War on Drugs is a no brainer because it's so much less likely to invite instinctive resistance than loudly preaching the corrosive nature of welfare programs. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm willing to give Sen. Paul the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 29, 2014 05:39 AM (UbFIG)

110 How is Montana as a place to live? I've never been there but am curious.
Beautiful place to visit. Cold in the winter. My aunt lives West of the mountains and likes it a lot.

Posted by: fluffy at November 29, 2014 05:39 AM (Ua6T/)

111 someone who you agree with 51% is your ally,

is 49% WRONG.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at November 29, 2014 05:40 AM (DL2i+)

112 Paul is so wrapped up in his stupid that he fails to understand several things. Firstly, Brown was clearly not a "non-violent" citizen. I'm still unwilling to choose either side in this fight, frankly I hate every side. But that needs to be said. But even setting that aside, Paul fundamentally misunderstands what "violence" is. As I read that article he would call graffiti "nonviolent" eve though it results in the destruction of property (but not in some "violent fashion" I'm sure he'd say.) Blocking highways: "non-violent" even though it requires an infringement on my freedom of movement. He's so lost in looking at how the state uses violence he forgets to pay attention to how citizens use it. I'm glad he drug the party more towards freedom. But in recent month's he's become an idiot.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 29, 2014 05:40 AM (HDwDg)

113 Hmmm, memo to self. Remember to bring pepper spray to AoS on Saturday mornings...
Posted by: Daisy Cutter at November 29, 2014 10:35 AM (xdMK5)

Once again, sorry.  That was uncalled for.

Posted by: Kindltot at November 29, 2014 05:40 AM (t//F+)

114 The Ejected would sit in the parking lot drinking beer through our busted lips while the game continued without us. I actually made a lifelong friend of one of the pledges this way.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 05:40 AM (rwI+c)

115 >>Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks!

Good points.


I apologize for making this a flame-y thread. I didn't get the research finished for the 2016 candidates installment and was not inspired.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 05:41 AM (9BRsg)

116 40 Frankly, I would probably take Hillary over Rand. Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 10:15 AM (9BRsg) That's a bit like saying you would vote for a third term for Obama over Rand.

Posted by: rickl at November 29, 2014 05:42 AM (sdi6R)

117 I realize Paul the Younger's approach may well alienate the base, but I suspect he is attempting to cut the 10-20% of persuadable black Democrats out of the herd. Alienating your base to pickup 10% of 25% of 13% of the vote seems like a bad bet.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 05:42 AM (rwI+c)

118 Ynot, what line of work are you in?

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at November 29, 2014 05:43 AM (0GgrH)

119 In Ferguson, the precipitating crime was not drugs, but theft ROBBERY. Fixed for the junior Senator for Kentucky. Using physical force in the course of unlawfully taking someone else's property is not just a petty shoplifting of some cigars. If Michael Brown had survived his confrontation with Officer Wilson. Brown would have probably done some jail time for the Robbery and Felonious Assault of a Law Enforcement Officer.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at November 29, 2014 05:43 AM (wQYNW)

120 104 Montana today is...cooooold!!! 8" inches of snow overnight, high temp today -5. Windchill -25. Other than that. Not too bad. Low unemployment. Wages not great, but cost of living not outrageous. If you're into outdoor activities it's all good. The down side, I think there are more meth-heads per capita here than anywhere else. It's why the native-Americans end up in jail. Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at November 29, 2014 10:37 AM (0GgrH) Indians with enough ambition to set up meth labs? Outstanding

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 29, 2014 05:43 AM (W6Tct)

121 Can't we all just get along? 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 29, 2014 05:43 AM (1/vWy)

122 Bill, isn't that Montana in the winter? 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 29, 2014 05:45 AM (1/vWy)

123 Is the base so fragile as to stay home for these type of comments? I don't think so. They'll toss a fit, then pull the lever. For God's sake they turned out in force for Mitt.

Posted by: HoboJerk, Re-branded at November 29, 2014 05:45 AM (E8IHS)

124 101 Y-not, thanks for doing the extra bit it takes to make the print big enough to read when you embed a vid or a pic.
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You're welcome, teej.

I read on the phone a lot and it's a big PITA when the margins get blown.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 05:45 AM (9BRsg)

125 >8" inches of snow overnight, high temp today -5. Windchill -25. Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at November 29, 2014 10:37 AM (0GgrH) Sounds like you're enjoying the same delightful weather system that hit Alberta the last 2 days. A bit less snow here but the temps suck just as bad.

Posted by: suitably adequate at November 29, 2014 05:45 AM (DvOSv)

126 Daisy cutter, sorry. I'm pissy now and not fun. My apologies, that was uncalled for on my part. Posted by: Kindltot It's all good. I enjoy a spirited discussion. *knuckles Kindltot*

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at November 29, 2014 05:45 AM (xdMK5)

127 Ted 'effing' Cruz/Scottie Walker 2016 Scott Walker/Niki Hailey 2016. ' cause, binders full.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 29, 2014 05:46 AM (5buP8)

128 >>Is the base so fragile as to stay home for these type of comments?

I seriously would not vote for Rand Paul. I think he's got multiple problems that scare the crap out of me.

Frankly, I hope he's a one term Senator.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 05:46 AM (9BRsg)

129 Ynot I love living in Montana. Beautiful landscapes, friendly but non prying people. Unfortunately I live in a liberal county and my land, although rural is controlled by liberals and has been deemed floodplain and I cant get permits to do anything, like a commenter the other day from the Great Lakes area. If I have to move, I'm looking at Alaska. If conservatives want to move to Montana I recommend staying away from the larger cities. If liberals want to move to Montana I recommend anywhere but Montana.

Posted by: MountainTurtle at November 29, 2014 05:46 AM (oD2+n)

130 121 Can't we all just get along? Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 29, 2014 10:43 AM (1/vWy) FucIk you Tex :-)

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 29, 2014 05:46 AM (W6Tct)

131 love the reportage on network news:  so much destruction! serious you guys we're still screwing up somehow! ohhh what can be done?/?/?/

Posted by: jeanne del norte at November 29, 2014 05:46 AM (MavYZ)

132 I love living in Montana. Beautiful landscapes, friendly but non prying people. Unfortunately I live in a liberal county and my land, although rural is controlled by liberals and has been deemed floodplain and I cant get permits to do anything, like a commenter the other day from the Great Lakes area.
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"friendly but non prying people" sounds like my idea of Heaven!


Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 05:48 AM (9BRsg)

133 The GOP message to Blacks should be a question: After 50 years of voting for Democrats and voting by race, are you better off? The sad thing is GOP folks like Turtle and Boner are not the answer for Blacks or anyone else stuck on a modern plantation. Their true allies are folks who put freedom and responsibility above all else.

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2014 05:48 AM (MQEz6)

134 but I'm willing to give Sen. Paul the benefit of the doubt on this one.

I'm not, liberTARDarian own-goalers are just as much trouble as Akin.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at November 29, 2014 05:48 AM (DL2i+)

135 Indians with enough ambition to set up meth labs? Outstanding Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian Hell no. They import the crap from Mexico just like everyone else. Quite common to see a few Mexicans on the rez living with a native girl. They have the connections, new cars, and pit bulls chained up in the yard by the door. Lovely people.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at November 29, 2014 05:48 AM (WAsKa)

136 I am so never spending Thanksgiving with my wife's family again.

Posted by: Woody Allen at November 29, 2014 05:48 AM (xKNS8)

137 "...a big PITA..." Heh. Wait till you get to be half my age.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 29, 2014 05:49 AM (cneZH)

138 Frankly, I would probably take Hillary over Rand.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 10:15 AM (9BRsg)


This is such a stupid sentiment, it seems to be an epidemic on our side.  Hillary who was writing love letters to Saul Alinsky and tried to shove socialized medicine down our throats is better than Rand Paul because...

Regarding Ferguson, the Clintons would be pushing the same narrative that every Democrat panderer race pimp will be pushing.  That Brown was a gentle giant that got shot by a racist cop.   They won't dare challenge that narrative.


Posted by: Altec at November 29, 2014 05:49 AM (13G+x)

139 Rand Paul thought this was a good idea? A) It wasn't. B) He's wrong. C) Panderer. I'm done with him too.

Posted by: Seems Legit at November 29, 2014 05:50 AM (s7rRm)

140

". . . but there is a gnawing feeling that simply being black  a violent thug  in a high-crime area increases your risk for a deadly altercation with police."

 

 

Fixed it For You, Rand.

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 29, 2014 05:50 AM (JO9+V)

141 MountainTurtle, you sound as if you might reside in Missoula or Gallatin county.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at November 29, 2014 05:51 AM (WAsKa)

142 Rand is repeating left-wing lies. Is he so stupid he doesn't realize they are lies? No, Rand is not a dumb man. He's repeating left-wing lies because he's currying favor with the ProgMedia by telling them what they want to hear -- that our justice system is racist against blacks, that Republicans are racist against blacks, that systemic, institutional racism against blacks in omnipresent in America. It's all bullshit and Rand knows it, but repeating these lies and smears is a great way to get ProgMedia to give you good press.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 05:51 AM (zwdxl)

143 Toby, I agree. I think it's a dumb strategy, but in my opinion it's not something that should disqualify Paul the Younger. I'll go one step further. We've heard noises about Jim Webb running against Hillary for the D nomination. His pet issue is reform of the criminal code with the goal of simplification. In that context, it makes a lot of sense to prepare the battlespace for a candidate who can claim more accomplishment in that area than Webb, who managed to do exactly nothing on it during his tenure in the Senate. Just throwing that out there.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 29, 2014 05:51 AM (UbFIG)

144 Regarding Ferguson, the Clintons would be pushing the same narrative that every Democrat panderer race pimp will be pushing.
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And the GOP would feel compelled to oppose them.

Except for Rand, who agrees with them, apparently.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 05:51 AM (9BRsg)

145 Humungus/Toady'16: Put an end this horror.

Posted by: toby928(C) at November 29, 2014 05:52 AM (rwI+c)

146 Rand, you can cure people of gnawing feelings with a strong dose of honesty. Try it.

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2014 05:52 AM (MQEz6)

147 127 Ted 'effing' Cruz/Scottie Walker 2016 Scott Walker/Niki Hailey 2016. ' cause, binders full. Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November I can live with that. Contrary to Y-nots position. Paul can remain a senator as long as he wants.

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 29, 2014 05:52 AM (W6Tct)

148 He's not going to get the nomination and he couldn't win if he did.  Throwing nonsense into the ring just forces everyone else to try dancing around it or calling it out and losing whatever few% that nonsense represents.

Posted by: DaveA[/i][/b][/s] at November 29, 2014 05:53 AM (DL2i+)

149 {{{ MT }}} Alaska? So, even further away. sniff

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 29, 2014 05:53 AM (cneZH)

150 #95 Yes, I think that's exactly his point because at least the little girl wouldn't have been violently killed by agents of the state coming in guns a' blazing supposedly acting for the welfare of society. Some welfare for that little girl, huh? Or that baby that got a concussion grenade in its crib in GA during another no-knock drug raid. Sometimes the cure is worse than the disease.

Posted by: ... at November 29, 2014 05:53 AM (mvuew)

151 >>His pet issue is reform of the criminal code with the goal of simplification.

But here's my question. If strong arm robbery is not a federal crime, what difference would it make? Or drug possession? Or most crimes for which these folks are arrested?

Why do you want the federal government sticking its nose further into a state or local issue?

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 05:53 AM (9BRsg)

152 While I fully agree with your sentiment, you neglected a very important point. Both the President and the Congress need to decide just exactly what is going to constitute a "win" BEFORE going in. That's what did Bush in with the Iraq war. If you have that determined beforehand, then the goalposts can't be moved by the left-wing bastards.
Posted by: mac at November 29, 2014 10:37 AM (NbXjh)


What I'm not overlooking is that Iraq was not officially declared.
Either time.

An official declaration of war -- not a statement of approval -- would mean that Syria, Turkey, Iran, and several other countries would have to take notice.

If you get approval to confine your actions to Iraq, it's better to stay the hell out.

World War II would have been pointless had we acted only in Europe or only in Asia.
This should needs to be a global effort.

Posted by: jwb7605[/i][/b][/u] at November 29, 2014 05:54 AM (ZALPg)

153

 Humungus/Toady'16: Put an end this horror.

 

Now there's a third party ticket I would vote for!

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 29, 2014 05:54 AM (JO9+V)

154 Ricardo, shouldn't you be pig hunting? Yup winter in Montana resembles Alberta, which means it's cold. It does tend to keep most of the Californians out of here.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at November 29, 2014 05:55 AM (WAsKa)

155 Can some of the disparity be blamed on a higher rate of crime in the black community? Yes, but ...


... just a teensy weensy little bit. Hardly noticeable. Not worth talking about, really.

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i] at November 29, 2014 05:55 AM (oKE6c)

156 142 Rand is repeating left-wing lies. Is he so stupid he doesn't realize they are lies? No, Rand is not a dumb man. He's repeating left-wing lies because he's currying favor with the ProgMedia by telling them what they want to hear -- that our justice system is racist against blacks, that Republicans are racist against blacks, that systemic, institutional racism against blacks in omnipresent in America. It's all bullshit and Rand knows it, but repeating these lies and smears is a great way to get ProgMedia to give you good press. Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 10:51 AM (zwdxl) Yeah, and worse he may even believe those lies. Blacks won't vote for him over the Democrat. They are under a spell.

Posted by: eman at November 29, 2014 05:55 AM (MQEz6)

157 Still chuckling over the sidebar link I Steam-Cleaned My Vagina From Red Tent to Toilet Tenting.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2014 05:56 AM (IXrOn)

158 Yup winter in Montana resembles Alberta, which means it's cold. It does tend to keep most of the Californians out of here. Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at November Wisconsin is improving politically. Weather wise it does have 4 seasons

Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian at November 29, 2014 05:56 AM (W6Tct)

159 For the record, my preference for 2016 is Cruz, Walker, Haley, THEN Paul. I don't think he's ready for the Presidency, but he will have an outsized influence on debate topics and the general tone of the primaries. And I'm certainly not going to write him off for being willing to attempt a little demagoguery.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 29, 2014 05:57 AM (UbFIG)

160 Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 10:41 AM (9BRsg) Meh, I've heard this shit before from liberation theologians, I'm familiar with the stupid. You can go so far right you come around and start resembling leftists and I think that's what Paul has done. He sounds like the tenured fucking professor who declared in a talk "Theft [of a 50k piece of equipment] is nonviolent." The others on the panel looked her and with a "WTF?" expression. When the question came around to another he said "I don't understand your definition of nonviolence but it's certainly against one of the 10 commandments." Words ceased having meaning and some point so here's where we are. Frankly as I said, I'm tired of both sides. I think it's insane to say someone "deserved to be shot" just as it was insane for people to declare my cousin "deserved" to be hit and killed by a car because she got high with some friends (a monumentally dumb decision, but not one that renders someone "deserving" of death.) I think it's stupid to canonize a thug and an idiot too (although, as I've been noting this isn't about that anymore. Chess pieces on a board, and the hands moving them think this piece has a chance of making it down the board.) I think it's dumb to go on TV and say what Wilson said too. There's always something that could be done different, that's why hindsight is 20/20. It doesn't mean the choices made in the moment were wrong (because such choices are made without the benefit of information that comes from hindsight.) As I said early on: fuck this shit, no one comes out clean.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 29, 2014 05:57 AM (HDwDg)

161 And I'm still all in for Palin/West. And a lot of corrupt DCers getting hauled off to prison. They've both got the (help me out here J.J.) hutzpah? to do it.

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 29, 2014 05:58 AM (cneZH)

162 25 Rand Paul is dead to me. Such promise, and then the familial insanity reared its ugly head.
Posted by: Soona at November 29, 2014 10:01 AM (AIGBI)



This.


Way to torch your career, Rand. Maybe you and Dad can get a group discount on Thorazine.

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i] at November 29, 2014 05:58 AM (oKE6c)

163 " Ricardo, shouldn't you be pig hunting?"


1. Saw tracks and fooled around on T'Giving.

2. Effing work.  In & out of the office yesterday and today, 

Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 29, 2014 05:59 AM (1/vWy)

164 Lord Humungus / Toady  '16:  We'll keep our fingers off your gasoline!

Posted by: Count de Monet at November 29, 2014 05:59 AM (JO9+V)

165 Halliburton!!!!11!!!

Posted by: Rand at November 29, 2014 05:59 AM (Us0P6)

166 The War on Drugs has created a culture of violence and put police in a nearly impossible situation.


Rand, you need to check this out: http://www.methproject.org/answers/will-using-meth-change-how-i-look.html#Mug-Shot-Match-Up

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i] at November 29, 2014 06:00 AM (oKE6c)

167 @130


":-)"




Posted by: Ricardo Kill at November 29, 2014 06:00 AM (1/vWy)

168 Wisconsin is improving politically. Weather wise it does have 4 seasons Posted by: Misanthropic Humanitarian I lived in Minnesota for two years. Regularly travelled to Western Wisconsin. I loved it. If I could have found a semi-decent job I would have stayed in the land of the cheeseheads.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at November 29, 2014 06:01 AM (5oHmm)

169 Frankly, I would probably take Hillary over Rand. I will take an odd obsession with drugs over concentrated leftist malice any day of the week. There is ZERO chance that Hillary can turn out well.

Posted by: t-bird at November 29, 2014 06:01 AM (FcR7P)

170 The Mostly Peacefuls tried to mess w/a Blues Hockey game last night. I wish that one got out of hand: 15,000 drunk South Sider's vs. Occutard hipster protestors. They are definitely punching over their weight.

Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 29, 2014 06:02 AM (5buP8)

171 Having known many Democrats and having been one myself in the past, I can say that the popular perception of Republicans among young people is that they are a bunch of bluenose prudes who want to outlaw fun. This has been the case since the 70s, at least. I've been saying for years that the Republicans should have gotten out in front of the issue of ending the drug war. They would have scooped up a lot of young voters. Repealing federal drug laws and letting the states handle it would be consistent with the principles of federalism. But as we can see, the GOPe is not really serious about reducing the size and scope of government. They just say they are when they want to pander to the base.

Posted by: rickl at November 29, 2014 06:02 AM (sdi6R)

172 Canada's p*ssed that the SCOAMF is appealing the WTO (trade agreement) on meat labeling. The WTO in October rejected U.S. rules requiring labels on packaged steaks, ribs and other cuts of meat identifying where the animals were born, raised and slaughtered. The WTO said the "country of origin labeling" requirements put Canadian and Mexican livestock at a disadvantage. On Friday, the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative appealed the ruling. foxnews I think the only country labeling would hurt is Mexico. Everyone pretty much knows all meat has been shared with our northern neighbors for decades.

Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2014 06:02 AM (IXrOn)

173 Can some of the disparity be blamed on a higher rate of crime in the black community? -- That little old Order of Freaking Magnitude higher rate of crime. The problem is you can't acknowledge reality without being called a racist. White people are arrested and jailed at much higher rates than asians in America. You know why? Cause, per capita, white people commit a lot more violent crime than asians. That's it. There's no Asian Privilege, no Asian Conspiracy, to lock up white people and let asians go free. Asians commit much less crime, per capita, than whites. As a result they are arrested and jailed much less often. They are shot by cops much less often.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 06:03 AM (zwdxl)

174 I think it's insane to say someone "deserved to be shot"

Perhaps it's more accurate to say 'he chose to be shot' or, since I think there's decent evidence he thought his size intimidated everyone else into behaving as he wanted them to, that 'he was shot primarily as the result of his choices.'

I mean forget for a second that Wilson's a cop. A guy with a gun is giving you orders. Do you A) obey B)run away (or at least for cover) or C) run in a straight line at the guy with the gun who has already fired it several times?

A) and B) are reasonable choices, C) is not.

Posted by: Methos at November 29, 2014 06:03 AM (A6vWB)

175 Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 10:53 AM (9BRsg) Well we could fix a lot of this by recognizing that you are responsible for your own protection, not the police. We got into a ton of trouble when police became the "keepers of the gate" rather than an after the fact investigation force. That and at some point we deciding policing shouldn't be a "dangerous job." To the point that it doesn't even crack the top 10 even if you include fatalities due to traffic incidents. (Which are apparently the most common form.) Yeah, fuck that shit. I'm OK with it being dangerous, lots of jobs are dangerous. It'll be OK.

Posted by: tsrblke, PhD(c) And father to be in 5 (short) weeks! [/i] [/b] [/s] at November 29, 2014 06:03 AM (HDwDg)

176 Rand is just another narcicist. Wish Scottt Walker had a bit more personality. TV makes politics weird.

Posted by: aggravated libertarian at November 29, 2014 06:05 AM (cmBvC)

177 Hiya Teej! Culpability in Ferguson in my eyes lies with the media that chose to highlight it, similar to the Zimmerman case. I hadn't heard of the native protest in MT. The perception is there but the enabling factor I think is a culture that rejects individual responsibility for actions.

Posted by: MountainTurtle at November 29, 2014 06:06 AM (oD2+n)

178 And if it's White Privilege that leads to blacks being arrested and jailed at much higher rates than whites -- is it Female Privilege that leads to men being arrested and jailed at much higher rates than women? No, of course not. Men commit much more violent crime than women, so they get arrested and jailed much more often.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 06:06 AM (zwdxl)

179 Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 10:53 AM (9BRsg) You're asking about Webb's position or mine? I think the federal criminal code should be simplified in the narrow area of drugs (make them a state issue) and the broad areas of environmental and financial law. Those aren't the only prime opportunities for simplification, but they're the easiest arguments to make in terms of popular support, in descending order. I'm not saying Paul is in my camp in this instance. I just see the logic in battlespace prep if Webb is either the presidential nominee or the veep. This seems like a very emotional topic of discussion for you. Are you related to a police officer, or is there some other reason?

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 29, 2014 06:07 AM (UbFIG)

180 Nood is nood.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 06:07 AM (9BRsg)

181 Am I mis-remembering Walker going squishy on immigration?

Posted by: teej says go K-State at November 29, 2014 06:07 AM (cneZH)

182 what's up drunks? Hillary, huh?

Posted by: X at November 29, 2014 06:07 AM (KHo8t)

183 Canada's p*ssed that the SCOAMF is appealing the WTO (trade agreement) on meat labeling. The last time I was in a Canadian grocery store all the produce and meat was labelled as to it's origin. Funny that.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at November 29, 2014 06:07 AM (5oHmm)

184 This seems like a very emotional topic of discussion for you.
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I have no idea why you would say that.

Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 06:08 AM (9BRsg)

185
Except for Rand, who agrees with them, apparently.

Posted by: Y-not

I really took away different things from the article than you did.

The very first line is "The failure of the War on Poverty has created a culture of violence and put police in a nearly impossible situation."  I would think 100% of conservatives would agree with that sentiment.

Again, this article is not some "Michael Brown was murdered!" which is all I'm hearing from the Left.

I'm certainly not going to back Hillary if Rand gets the nomination, talk about a knee jerk reaction over a pretty tame article.


Posted by: Altec at November 29, 2014 06:10 AM (13G+x)

186 181 Am I mis-remembering Walker going squishy on immigration? ------- WaPo said he favored amnesty, he called BS but hasn't really made a definitive statement about it iirc.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at November 29, 2014 06:10 AM (SQkRc)

187 This seems like a very emotional topic of discussion for you. --- I have no idea why you would say that. -- It's a tactic to undermine and dismiss an argument by saying the person is so emotional that they are irrational and therefore can be ignored. No need to logically discuss somebody's hysterical rantings.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 06:11 AM (zwdxl)

188 Posted by: Y-not at November 29, 2014 11:08 AM (9BRsg) LOL fair enough. I know when to shut up and mind my bees.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 29, 2014 06:11 AM (UbFIG)

189 Webb. The important thing with Webb isn't what he thinks about policy or his philosophy of governing. The important thing is who does he choose for his VP. Because THATS the guy that will serve most of the term, after Webb throws a temper tantrum and resigns in a snit.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 29, 2014 06:13 AM (OMTVG)

190 Walker/Bolton 2016. There I said it, let it happen. If only.

Posted by: fairweatherbill bucking the wind at November 29, 2014 06:13 AM (5oHmm)

191 Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 11:11 AM (zwdxl) That was not my intent. I hope the content of my previous comments demonstrates my willingness to engage on a dialectical level.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 29, 2014 06:14 AM (UbFIG)

192 They're not rocks, Sen. Paul. They're minerals.

Posted by: White Rage at November 29, 2014 06:14 AM (Ks4nX)

193 IllTemperedCur at November 29, 2014 11:13 AM (OMTVG) LMAO that is so true. He's such an infant.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 29, 2014 06:15 AM (UbFIG)

194 186 181 Am I mis-remembering Walker going squishy on immigration?
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WaPo said he favored amnesty, he called BS but hasn't really made a definitive statement about it iirc. Posted by: Nigel West Dickens

What I heard is he backed some sort of "comprehensive" solution, but he then clarified he wasn't for amnesty.

I don't know why so many otherwise solid conservatives get snookered into the idea of a grand compromise.  It's like promising tax hikes for spending cuts, it never works.

Posted by: Altec at November 29, 2014 06:15 AM (13G+x)

195 157 From Red Tent to Toilet Tenting. Posted by: artisanal 'ette at November 29, 2014 10:56 AM (IXrOn) What does that have to do with Umberto Nobile's 1928 Arctic expedition? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umberto_Nobile http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0067315/?ref_=nv_sr_2

Posted by: rickl at November 29, 2014 06:15 AM (sdi6R)

196 100 93 So Michael Brown's last words actually were "You are too much of a pussy to shoot me."? Yup. That's right up there with: "Give me a fork so I can get this tost out." And, "Hold my beer and watch THIS." Posted by: Brave Sir Robin at November 29, 2014 10:36 AM (5buP I read that Brown handed off the cigarillos to his accomplice buddy and said something like "here, hold these, man" before he ripped into Wilson. I'm serious. I wish I'd thought of that as a joke to tell here, but apparently he really said that.

Posted by: Stace at November 29, 2014 06:16 AM (5t7Yo)

197 I'll go one step further. We've heard noises about Jim Webb running against Hillary for the D nomination. His pet issue is reform of the criminal code with the goal of simplification. In that context, it makes a lot of sense to prepare the battlespace for a candidate who can claim more accomplishment in that area than Webb, who managed to do exactly nothing on it during his tenure in the Senate...Posted by: Ummberto Echo Agreed, but think bigger. Webb is a candidate to force Hillary to his left, making way for a Schumer or O'Malley. Paul is opening up the front on the democrats black flank so they have to focus time and money there. Every time a politician opens their mouth between now and Nov. of 2016 it will be to move the national media and other candidates one direction or another for '16. All these people have very sophisticated media advisers who have a two-year game plan to move their opponents in the opposite direction of their own positions, because nuance doesn't translate into votes. As proof, remember how George Snufalufaguss asked Romney about if states have the right to ban contraception out of the blue? That shit was wargamed and it worked.

Posted by: Daisy Cutter at November 29, 2014 06:16 AM (xdMK5)

198 Frankly, I would probably take Hillary over Rand. Posted by: Y-not of course you would. the cobs are great.

Posted by: X at November 29, 2014 06:16 AM (KHo8t)

199 Altec at November 29, 2014 11:15 AM (13G+x) The COC And Associates cash is a powerful incentive.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 29, 2014 06:17 AM (UbFIG)

200 Daisy Cutter at November 29, 2014 11:16 AM (xdMK5) Between Warren, Webb, and the rest of them, Hillary is going to end up calling for more wheat production and smashing pianists' fingers on live television.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 29, 2014 06:21 AM (UbFIG)

201 The COC And Associates cash is a powerful incentive.
Posted by: Ummberto Echo

The thing is, cash doesn't win elections, votes do.

Ask Rubio if the "cash" he got from authoring that amnesty Senate deal was "worth it"?

He went from having the nomination in the bag to being a 3rd stringer nearly over night.


Posted by: Altec at November 29, 2014 06:21 AM (13G+x)

202 NO, DUMBASS, IT WAS ASSAULT.

Wilson did nothing more than attempt to get out of his car.

Posted by: --- at November 29, 2014 10:16 AM (MMC8r)



I think Rand was referring to the robbery that Brown committed at the Quik Trip as the crime that precipitated the confrontation with Officer Wilson. And even there, Rand missed the fact that the stolen Swisher Sweets were going to be used by Brown as a means of smoking pot. So, yes, drug-related, once removed.

Posted by: Alberta Oil Peon at November 29, 2014 06:25 AM (tvB15)

203 Cash doesn't win elections, but it does make the race competitive. Because of his willingness to stand up for COC immigration platform planks, he can reasonably expect to camp out in the Senate for the next couple of decades. If he aspires to higher office, he has a minimum warchest of $10 million, conservative. He's a made man now.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 29, 2014 06:28 AM (UbFIG)

204 White people are arrested and jailed at much higher rates than asians in America. You know why? Cause, per capita, white people commit a lot more violent crime than asians.

That's it. There's no Asian Privilege, no Asian Conspiracy, to lock up white people and let asians go free.

Asians commit much less crime, per capita, than whites. As a result they are arrested and jailed much less often. They are shot by cops much less often.

Posted by: Costanza Defense at November 29, 2014 11:03 AM (zwdxl)



Damn, that "yellow privilege" must be like kryptonite.

Posted by: Jay Guevara[/i] at November 29, 2014 06:29 AM (oKE6c)

205 I'm sorry but I don't think you understand the thought process of folks that wind up in prison. We have a friend that caretakes our place and watched him deal with the system for two years over a bogus assault charge on his ex-girlfriend. (Current girlfriend knew her and saw her at a store. Asked her about it and found out she didn't even remember it. And they tacked a harassment charge onto it for her talking to the girl, even though the ex-girlfriend initiated the contact. ) So George was supposed to see his parole officer once a month. He didn't have a car and wasn't in an area with transit. We would have called and talked to the PO. George didn't and the cops would come out and put him back in jail. He'd miss court appearances. He could have put reminders on a calendar or even his cell phone. Didn't cross his mind. He didn't seem to have any concern about being put back in jail. It was just part of the way things were. One of the times they came out, they tased his dog, then tried to say he was resisting arrest because he spit on an officer. One of the other cops there finally admitted to the courts that it didn't happen. And after threatening him with a four year sentence, the whole mess got dropped with time served and probation. People that wind up in jail have impulse control and organizational problems. They figure they will wind up in jail the way some kids assume they will go to college. And yes, the judicial and legal systems are broken. One of George's public defenders had so many cases that she couldn't remember his name. Yet the judge kept assigning her more cases and said she was one of the best in the county. Cops can hold grudges. People do stupid things and get caught in the system. It happens to white kids too but somehow there's no one advocating for them. I don't care how stoned someone is. That's not a reason to throw someone in jail, unless they've committed a crime that warrants it. The War on Drugs has caused disrespect of authority, over armed cops and turned them into thieves that confiscate peoples' property when they haven't been convicted of a crime. It's stripped people of the right to a trial and given too much power to prosecuters. Yet I don't seem to see any other Republicans even discuss this stuff. And we do need to talk about it. I saw good kids in jail, with their parents trying to help. We need alternatives and we need to review some of these laws on the books. And that's my two sense worth. Those with money pay the fine and are done. Poor people get ground up in the system.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 29, 2014 06:29 AM (Lqy/e)

206 40 >> Frankly, I would probably take Hillary over Rand.
 
Y-not, I hope you are joking. You'd really rather have a 3rd term of BO? Cuz she's him, but in a white skinned female suit. Liar, manipulator, talks out of both sides of her mouth.... you get the picture. And there would be no chance of reforming any of the failed programs that will otherwise go on until infinity or collapse.
 
I'd take Rand in a heartbeat over that disgusting thing.

Posted by: GnuBreed at November 29, 2014 06:30 AM (1a+Y5)

207 Cash doesn't win elections, but it does make the race competitive. Because of his willingness to stand up for COC immigration platform planks, he can reasonably expect to camp out in the Senate for the next couple of decades. If he aspires to higher office, he has a minimum warchest of $10 million, conservative. He's a made man now. Posted by: Ummberto Echo

Rubio was a "made man" before amnesty.  He was a darling of conservatives and Cuban/Latino, he had a seat for life as a Senator in Florida.

The fact that he disowned his own bill later tells me it was a bad miscalculation on his part that he regrets. 

He'll be pilloried in the Presidential primary for it.  I would bet money that it will cost him the nomination.

Posted by: Altec at November 29, 2014 06:35 AM (13G+x)

208 It's funny: If Rand lies about his libertarian leanings, he's a HYPOCRITE WHAT A LIAR!!! If Rand speaks to issues he cares about in hopes of expanding the base, he's a GODAMNED RINO APPEASER!!!

Posted by: HoboJerk, Re-branded at November 29, 2014 06:35 AM (E8IHS)

209 It's ok to say "yes he's a libertarian and I disagree with him on x,y,z". Just don't assume bad motivations.

Posted by: HoboJerk, Re-branded at November 29, 2014 06:37 AM (E8IHS)

210 I don't even want him as POTUS. He's going to be a BFD in the senate, and will stand up to executive overreach.

Posted by: HoboJerk, Re-branded at November 29, 2014 06:38 AM (E8IHS)

211 Fuck Rand Paul

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at November 29, 2014 06:41 AM (R8hU8)

212 I've known people who end up in jail because they're too stupid to take care of their shit or learn from their past mistakes. They don't elicit much sympathy from me.

Posted by: Nigel West Dickens at November 29, 2014 06:45 AM (Nfdkj)

213 I am so done with him. Seriously; agreed. How is there an interpretation of his statement as being at all honorable?

Posted by: m[/i] at November 29, 2014 06:46 AM (G891H)

214 206 I don't care how stoned someone is. That's not a reason to throw someone in jail, unless they've committed a crime that warrants it. The War on Drugs has caused disrespect of authority, over armed cops and turned them into thieves that confiscate peoples' property when they haven't been convicted of a crime. Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 29, 2014 11:29 AM (Lqy/e) Bingo. Besides things like the DEA, no-knock raids, and civil asset forfeiture, the war on drugs has led to a casual disregard for the law which is quite toxic to society. If I can disobey one law because I think it's stupid, that tends to weaken the Rule of Law in general.

Posted by: rickl at November 29, 2014 06:53 AM (sdi6R)

215 109 I realize Paul the Younger's approach may well alienate the base, but I suspect he is attempting to cut the 10-20% of persuadable black Democrats out of the herd. I don't know how we accomplish that in the short term without demagoguing the issue of criminal justice. Approaching it from the angle of the War on Drugs is a no brainer because it's so much less likely to invite instinctive resistance than loudly preaching the corrosive nature of welfare programs. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm willing to give Sen. Paul the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Posted by: Ummberto Echo at November 29, 2014 10:39 AM (UbFIG)


***************************


The issue that will resonate AND has the advantage of being truthful is that the illegal aliens in the process being amnestied are taking millions of jobs that people in the community (or their parents) used to do and could be doing now if it weren't cheaper to pick up a crew at the Home Depot parking lot or hire a housekeeper with a fake ID who is your neighbor's nanny's cousin. Libertarians, including Senator Rand, can't use that issue because they are on the wrong side of it.

Posted by: Caesar North of the Rubicon at November 29, 2014 07:01 AM (NqYC9)

216 Sorry if this has been said before but tying in Mike Brown with drug legalization doesn't make any sense to me. I'm pro-legalization but he still would have been a stupid bullying cop-assaulting thug if drugs we'd legal or not.

Posted by: Serena at November 29, 2014 07:05 AM (2LB/q)

217
15 It's the "War on Poverty" plus "War on drugs".

Bingo.

Rand Paul made a legitimate point about the stupid war on drugs. It is a major driver of the black thug culture.

For those of you who think Paul was just mouthing words "Helpful to solidifying his cult status with a certain segment of youth, that is." -- I ask: who was Paul "pandering" to when he introduced legislation to reform forfeiture laws? The rich, white drug smuggler voting bloc? What brilliant politics. Asset forfeiture reform is sure to gain Paul millions of votes! Of course it won't, Paul is just being consistent about two facets of what he views as bad policy.

Most of the people who claim "Paul is dead to me" because of this statement would probably be big fanboys of him if he's had railed against entitlements instead. Well, conservatives have been doing that 24/7 for about four decades now. Another dose of it post-Ferguson wouldn't have done anything except give fodder to the talking heads.

I think it's great that Paul used Ferguson to attack the drug war head-on. Was Paul being an opportunist by using Ferguson to frame his argument against the drug war? Sure he was, but not in a cynical way (for votes). He really believes it's a failure that needs to be fixed. I say good on him for finally talking about that 900 lb. gorilla.

Don't get me wrong -- I abhor the entitlement mentality of the black community and see it as their major problem. I also don't think drugs that can kill you should be decriminalized. But criminalizing millions of otherwise lawful citizens because they use rather benign drugs recreationally is a stupid. And stealing wads of cash from people simply for having them is about as un-American as it gets. I applaud Rand Paul for being the only national politician to seriously discuss them.

Posted by: Ed Anger at November 29, 2014 07:23 AM (RcpcZ)

218 Good comment, Ed Anger. I don't know if Rand's statement will do it, but any attempt to peel off a few percent of blacks and young people from the Democrats should be encouraged.

Posted by: rickl at November 29, 2014 08:08 AM (sdi6R)

219 Yikes.

Posted by: Meremortal at November 29, 2014 08:10 AM (1Y+hH)

220 Rand Paul is the same crawling opportunist as his father with slightly different buzzwords.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 29, 2014 08:41 AM (XO6WW)

221 >>>Because otherwise I don't see why he felt the need to open his pie-hole, especially given that Mike Brown was under the influence of marijuana when he made that fateful decision to attack a police officer.

Somehow none of the people I know who smoke week have ever attacked anyone, but hey, why let the fact that zero evidence exists that marijuana causes violence get in the way of your stupid anti-Paul shit?

Posted by: S at November 29, 2014 08:54 AM (NhLdG)

222 Call me a racist but was Mama Brown, Baby Daddy Brown, and the Crypt Boyfriend all on government assistance before they started riding Saint Swisher's gravy train?

Posted by: Jukin at November 29, 2014 08:57 AM (WGm5T)

223 >>>218

Well put, Ed.

Posted by: S at November 29, 2014 08:59 AM (NhLdG)

224 I don't condone the violence in Ferguson and I do believe that Michael Brown made decisions that led to his death. But we have to keep the police in check. They are there to serve and protect. They are not there to harass law abiding citizens because they are easy targets. Anyone cops that bust into the wrong house should be docked financially for the mistake. If the police want our support and help, they should stop acting like thugs.

Posted by: Notsothoreau at November 29, 2014 10:14 AM (Lqy/e)

225 I've been told by some of my more militant, righteous-black-rage friends that all Rand would have to do is take up the standard of anti-War On Drugs and anti-For Profit Prisons. Those two things, they say, would peel away quite a lot of black voters from the Democrats. Not sure how true that is, but these particular friends of mine are very militant and very righteous-black-rage-y.

Posted by: Scott M at November 29, 2014 10:31 AM (nopwR)

226 His highness on MJ is irrelevant, unless someone can show me evidence MJ makes people more violent. (Good luck with that) However, I agree that Rand Paul missed the boat here. Mr. Brown was on edge knowing he had committed a robbery and thus reacted very badly to interaction with the police. The officer shot at a threat until the threat went down, unfortunately killing Mr. Brown. The whole thing is tragic, but most of my sympathy goes to the officer. This whole "war on young black men" thing is BS. Cops don't want to shoot anyone, much less kill anyone, much less set off riots by barbarians.

Posted by: Rob at November 29, 2014 10:35 AM (r8cOb)

227
"In the search for culpability for the tragedy in Ferguson, I mostly blame politicians. Michael Brown's death and the suffocation of Eric Garner in New York for selling untaxed cigarettes indicate something is wrong with criminal justice in America"

It's official. Sen Rand Paul is a pandering idiot. He's trying to shill for the Sharpton vote, hence the recent Sharpton meeting. But it's clear that in this above comment he fails to point out that the cop in the Michael Brown case did nothing wrong and that therefore THE FALSE NARRATIVES THAT GET CREATED ARE A PROBLEM.

He doesnt fight the false narrative, he feed it. For that, Rand Paul isn't merely wrong, but he's positively dangerous to conservatives.

"I applaud Rand Paul for being the only national politician to seriously discuss them."

I condemn Rand Paul for being a politician to UNseriously blather on and pander in absolutely the wrong way, making wrong claims and coming to wrong conclusions.


"I realize Paul the Younger's approach may well alienate the base, but I suspect he is attempting to cut the 10-20% of persuadable black Democrats out of the herd. I don't know how we accomplish that in the short term without demagoguing the issue of criminal justice."

You CAN make the point without demagoguing on the issue. We have too many young black males in prison. Too many young black males unemployed.

Here's what a REAL LEADER would do: Read out the names of the thousand or so young black men killed / murdered since the incident in Ferguson. THAT is the travesty and tragedy, not one man who stupidly tried to take a cop's gun, but the truly innocent young men killed in our cities. And the other non-criminals who don't go to college, don't have good job opportunities, but still manage to get through life without being thugs who hold up convenience stores ... and get little from a society for that obedience to law.

Rand Paul cannot be that politician, because he can't be mr anti-WOD warrior and still point out how drug use reaps a harvest of destruction in such communities. He can't be mr ACLU-view-on-cops and still point out how most young black males are victims, not of cops, but of gang violence. He can't pander a la Al Sharpton and discuss the REAL problems of the black commnity, the problems Sharpton sweeps under the rug to make it all about racism.

No sir. Rand Paul has got it all wrong. Eric Holder was right, we ARE a nation of cowards on race, and Rand Paul is exhibit A.





Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at November 29, 2014 10:58 AM (wT9UL)

228 "Somehow none of the people I know who smoke week have ever attacked anyone, but hey, why let the fact that zero evidence exists that marijuana causes violence get in the way of your stupid anti-Paul shit?"


Note to self: People who smoke dope are bad at statistics. make sure my accountant is super-drug-free.

Note to commenter: Thanks for your logical fallacy. Do you know what logical fallacy you committed?




Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at November 29, 2014 11:01 AM (wT9UL)

229 "Grandma was her own worst enemy. Apparently, the jury once again, looked at crazy Grandma and decided that it was completely plausible that she
had grabbed the officers gun, since she appears to be unable to control her hysterics two years later in the courtroom.

So we have a little girl who is dead and a police officer whose life and career are destroyed. He has to live with this now, even as he has been found not guilty via a mistrial"

Given the fact that we now know that multiple witnesses committed perjury in the Michael Brown case, and family members are still seeking revenge, I would not put it past a crazy grandma to make a false accusation to make an officer pay for a crime that was really an accident.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at November 29, 2014 11:04 AM (wT9UL)

230 "The issue that will resonate AND has the advantage of being truthful is that the illegal aliens in the process being amnestied are taking millions of jobs that people in the community (or their parents) used to do and could be doing now if it weren't cheaper to pick up a crew at the Home Depot parking lot or hire a housekeeper with a fake ID who is your neighbor's nanny's cousin. Libertarians, including Senator Rand, can't use that issue because they are on the wrong side of it."

NAILED. IT.

Posted by: Keep Calm Cruz On at November 29, 2014 11:06 AM (wT9UL)

231 I'd like to know what Rand thinks about the white privilege that consists of staring down at the table. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f17_1417141608

Posted by: Banjo at November 29, 2014 12:27 PM (IMztf)

232 And yet "you not seeing why' changes nothing about what he said. Maybe he opened his pie-hole, as you call it, because it is a conversation that has merit and needs to be addressed? Are you unable to have this conversation? So in your mind Brown being high negates what he is saying? How? And I'm not sure why you consider appealing to others, or as you snarkily call them, a cult, with the same opinions is somehow bad, wrong, what? I've never been a Rand Paul fan, nor a Ron one. I know what Ron Paul is about, he hails from my neck of the woods. But that you did consider him but are now "so done with him" says more about you than it does about him. I'm almost 50 yrs old. I'm female, I don't drink and I don't smoke pot. But I know bull shit laws when I see them. As an individual and liberty loving conservative, I'm surprised more don't. And I KNOW the "War on drugs" is bull shit and is nothing more than prohibition dragnet run amok. Prohibition creates crime, and that higher rate of crime mentality especially in low poverty and black communities. "I know he's high! Strike one!" Making criminals out of people because they smoke pot. Putting them in jail. Wow. But hey, I guess people can sit around drinking alcohol feeling morally superior because they don't get high, eh? Just think though, there was a time when other people told others they couldn't drink alcohol too. But that was toootalllly different, right? Yeah, right.

Posted by: halodoc at November 29, 2014 04:57 PM (Fzbp3)

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