May 31, 2012

Sarah Palin Was Right: Tough "Vetting" In Primary Has Produced Tougher Candidate
— Ace

I actually didn't disagree with her at the time, though I did worry that too much "vetting" could result -- possibly -- in a fractured party and a badly damaged candidate. As I supported vetting the hell out of Romney when I was on Team Perry, I couldn't really disagree that her assumed favorite, Newt Gingrich, should get his own "vetting" in.

But that reservation turns out to have been unnecessary. Romney does seem to be a stronger candidate for the "vetting."

Dick Morris observed last night, on O'Reilly, that Obama has already moved off its Bain attack to start going after Romney's record as governor.

Nothing wrong with the latter -- it's the former that's the problem. If Obama's moving off Bain, it means the issue has no traction.

Want to see what happens when an issue has traction? Check out Indian Princess Elizabeth Warren.

Why didn't the Bain attacks go anywhere? I think it's pretty simple: Because Newt Gingrich raised the issue, vigorously (assist to Rick Perry), and the facts about Bain have already all come out. The limited "bad" (not really bad, but you could cast it that way) as well as the much more extensive good.

Stupid attack lines work best in a vacuum of ignorance. Could Lynching Fever have taken hold in the George Zimmerman case if all information about the incident were known from the start?

No. It took off because interested racial partisans and members of the Frankfurt School Left put out some very limited, selectively-chosen, and outright false information to the public. Given the vacuum of ignorance, "White man guns down black toddler holding Skittles and Iced tea" is enough to get the News Panic going.

"Hispanic man on neighborhood watch in area with lots of burglaries suspects unknown person may be on drugs or casing places, and is then beaten bloody by suspected burglar, and then shoots 6'+ man assaulting him" is a fuller presentation of the situation, and one that doesn't gain much News Panic traction.

Ignorance is the ally of deceit.

Now, we did have something of a News Panic with respect to Bain (one which I must confessed I joined in on). Ignorance was the ally of deceit, and deceits were spread, and I joined in in propagating them.

But Bain is no longer a blank slate upon which we can project our fears, as Barack Obama might say. The slate is full of information, most of it quite positive.

Romney was damaged some by the Bain attack, but he really can't be re-damaged from it. Whose minds would change upon hearing the full history of Bain, when the initial News Panic presented a much more ignorant and scary view?

Anyone susceptible to this already doesn't like Romney. There won't be any new converts, now that the attack is far weaker.

In fact, ignorance will tend to be dispelled along the way, and Romney can expect some amount of reversing of opinion on Big Bad Bain.

It gets better for Romney; it can not, it seems, get better for Obama.

For the Love of Vampire Capitalism, we have not just Cory Booker telling people Bain is a company with a good reputation, but now Obama Prototype/Dry-Run Devall Patrick praising the company. (He also confesses Massachusetts' unemployment number was "in the fours" under Romney -- he guesses 4.3%, which is very low. I think the figure is 4.7%, which is also quite low-- full employment.)

But Team Obama thought, Dick Morris believes, that Romney had a big target called "Bain" on his back, and all they needed to do was utter the word and it would be a story.

But it's not. They miscalculated. They seem to have forgotten a story can only be a Great Big Story when there are still mysteries and unanswered questions and obvious lies. Again, see Professor Pappoose about that.

When the story has already been substantially fleshed out, mostly in the target's favor, it's really not a big story anymore.

One area where Romney needs improvement is debating-- specifically, keeping his cool when attacked and jibed. Some of his worst moments came when he was challenged -- be became peevish (to use a kind word) and sort of just looked like a dick.

That's going to happen more, and Obama is of course plotting things he can say to provoke this reaction.

And while Romney is good, generally, in debate, he's not great. Smooth, competent-sounding, factual, reasonable-sounding, but not really engaged in the moment and able to quickly react to an opponent's statement and turn it on him (like Gingrich can).

Now, that's a skill Romney is simply not going to pick up -- there is a limit to the extent skills you don't have can be gained -- but he absolutely must get used to dickheads challenging him and saying dickhead things to him in public fora. I cannot stress enough this is going to happen, and it's a real weakness.

Further, it's a weakness he never really got too much practice in covering in the debates, because he did get a lot of free passes in those -- the "Romney Rivals" were always far more intent on challenging the other Romney Rivals than Romney himself.

If I were him, I'd contact three men-- Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, and Rick Perry -- and have the three of them gang-up on him and be the douchiest douches they can manage, to get Romney prepared for Obama.

And of course the three members of Obama's Palace Guard that will serve as immoderators.

As these three guys managed to raise Romney's hackles in the past, he should recruit them to de-hackle himself.

I know they often use campaign staffers as sparring partners, but this is a mistake. An employee can only challenge his boss so much, even if he's supposed to be challenging him. There's a natural reluctance there. (Rick Perry practiced with staffers and look how that turned out.)

Romney should reach out to his most vigorous harassers and ask them to perform that duty a few more times, until he doesn't have to fake being amused by Bain and Illegal Immigrant Gardner attacks any longer, but actually is amused by them, and doesn't have to fake the Reagan There You Go Again eye roll, but actually feels it.

I'd divide it like this:

Santorum: economic stuff/wealth stuff/blue-collar stuff/hypocrisy and flip flops on social issues

Gingrich: Bain/subtance-based social issue attacks from the left (Gingrich can argue anything so he's best for this)/hypocrisy/cheap debate tactics

Perry: Hypocrisy and cheap attacks like Seamus, "Horse Ballet," Illegal immigrant hypocrisy, racism against Hispanics, and an unclear view of foreign policy, general unreadiness to lead the armed forces

Something tells me that Santorum, Perry, and Gingrich might even enjoy providing this service. I think they might be rather good at telling Romney what kind of an asshole they think he is.

Posted by: Ace at 12:43 PM | Comments (258)
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1 First again. Damned blog.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 31, 2012 12:44 PM (nEUpB)

2 Harassers Assemble! Vigorously!

Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 31, 2012 12:45 PM (Bjf6/)

3 ROMNEY 2012

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2012 12:47 PM (Ho2rs)

4
I'm not buying it.

Mitt was holding back during the primaries. Mitt didn't change; the circumstances changed.

In other words, shit just got real. And when the shit is real, Mitt puts on his game face.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 31, 2012 12:48 PM (9Q7Nu)

5 And while Romney is good, generally, in debate, he's not great. Smooth, competent-sounding, factual, reasonable-sounding, but not really engaged in the moment and able to quickly react to an opponent's statement and turn it on him (like Gingrich can).

Wait, I spent much of the last year listening to "Romney is glib and slick" from the purity brigade.  What happened to that?

The only real arrow left in Barry's quiver is "Romneycare".  I've never understood how accusing your opponent of doing what you did, but less so, is a winning argument, but there we are.


Posted by: pep at May 31, 2012 12:48 PM (6TB1Z)

6 I agree that he needs to work on his reactions, but IIRC, he mauled Newt in the Florida debate.

Posted by: MJ at May 31, 2012 12:49 PM (/x4oj)

7 Ace did you see this?

Classmate of both Romney and Obama: When they debate, Obama will smoke Romney

Smoke? As in like a joint? Or like a pickle?

Moar:

/from daily.com

"

“When they debate, Barack will smoke Romney,” Barthwell, a
district court magistrate in Michigan who attended boarding school with
Romney and Harvard Law School with Obama, told The Daily.

“Mitt Romney is smart,” he said. “Having said all that, I still think
he’s going to get smoked. The best he can do is hopefully come out not
looking like a fool. Mitt will find out the hard way as soon as they
have their first debate: You don’t debate Obama.”

Barthwell, the only black member of Romney’s 1965 class at Cranbrook
Schools, met Obama at Harvard Law, where both joined the Black Law
Student Association and pushed for greater diversity among the faculty
together.

He said he has “tremendous respect” for both men. But Obama, said Barthwell, made a more striking impression.

“It’s Harvard Law School, so you’re not surprised if someone ends up
doing something impressive. But even there, it was clear he was
brilliant,” Barthwell said of Obama.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 31, 2012 12:50 PM (9Q7Nu)

8 (Rick Perry practiced with staffers and look how that turned out.)

Judging from Perry's debate performance, I'd say he practiced with hookers.

Posted by: Cicero at May 31, 2012 12:50 PM (QKKT0)

9 I agree with Sooth - he was holding back and trying to be "gentle" with his fellow Rs

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 31, 2012 12:50 PM (SB0V2)

10 Okay, I read the post. And while there is obviously a learning curve, I think that the focused responses and excellent attacks come from a candidate who knows that this is the big game. His has a single enemy, knows exactly where the attacks will be coming from, and does not have to be a nice guy to garner primary votes.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 31, 2012 12:50 PM (nEUpB)

11 SEE!!! SEEE!@!!! AahAhAhSeuirh3irh2*@G*#Y(@$Y!

Posted by: Palinologists in deliriums [/i] [/b] at May 31, 2012 12:51 PM (akXk+)

12 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) Channelling Breitbart at May 31, 2012 12:51 PM (8y9MW)

13 Soothsayer, so let's assume Barthwell is a lawyer then? id est, he's a lying eff-faced liar

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 31, 2012 12:52 PM (SB0V2)

14 You don’t debate Obama.”

Honestly, I would debate Obama.  And I'd kick his narrow ass.

Posted by: Cicero at May 31, 2012 12:52 PM (QKKT0)

15 no offense intended to the lawyers on here, of course

Posted by: BlackOrchid at May 31, 2012 12:52 PM (SB0V2)

16 I  wrote  a  book about  Palin!  Lived  right  next  door  to  her  in  Alaska!

Posted by: Joe McGinniss at May 31, 2012 12:52 PM (c3mby)

17
Some guys just don't like to play-fight or play-wrassle.


Posted by: soothsayer at May 31, 2012 12:52 PM (9Q7Nu)

18 no offense intended to the lawyers on here, of course

None taken, but fuck you.

Posted by: Cicero at May 31, 2012 12:53 PM (QKKT0)

19 Your idea about sparring-partners is a great idea.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 31, 2012 12:53 PM (piMMO)

20 Sarah Palin was, and is, right about many things. Her advice to McCain's advisors in '08 turned out to be correct. Her convention speech was spot on about Obama, and the "Death Panels", the strength of the dollar with energy inflation, the GOP establishment in DC, ect.

I do like the fact that Team Romney pulled a good move on Axelrod, and showed up at Solyndra by surprise. Maybe they won't take the punches lying down like McCain did. Sarah Palin doesn't play that way, she will come right back at you.

She is also very adept at handling hecklers during her speeches, turning the tables on them, making them look like jerks and doing it with charm and good humor.

She is much better than  Romney at that sort of thing, just due to natural gifts they have being different. At least strategically and tactically, Team Romney seems to have learned some good lessons from McCain '08 mistakes.

I may yet warm up to this guy, sooner than I thought possible.

I want him to succeed, I want to like him too. Help me Mitt!

Posted by: Brian72 at May 31, 2012 12:54 PM (yhJiT)

21

 

 

 

BUT BAIN IS SO GODDAMN EBBBBBBIL!!!!!!!!!

 

 

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E. Buzz. Bunnies. at May 31, 2012 12:54 PM (tcSZb)

22 “Mitt Romney is smart,” he said. “Having said all that, I still think
he’s going to get smoked. The best he can do is hopefully come out not
looking like a fool. Mitt will find out the hard way as soon as they
have their first debate: You don’t debate Obama.”


You know, there's something, I can't quite put my finger on it, that suggests to me that Judge Barthwell might not be 100% unbiased in his assessment. 

I denounce myself. 

Wait, no I don't. 

Judge, call  me.  I'd like to discuss a little wager with you.

Posted by: pep at May 31, 2012 12:54 PM (6TB1Z)

23 Since John Edwards is off the hook, maybe Romney can pull him in as a debate opponent to cover cheap debate tactics. He learned those skills well as an ambulance chaser, and if I'm not mistaken didn't he risk death by iron cock when he tore paper while Cheney was speaking during a debate? 

Posted by: Xander Crews at May 31, 2012 12:54 PM (ttOZC)

24 #7 methinks the magistrate doth protest too much; he sounds like he's in the tank for Baraka (no surprise).  I'll believe Baraka is 'brilliant' when his SAT scores and transcripts and papers are released.  Until then, Baraka is an empty suit.

Posted by: the Butcher at May 31, 2012 12:55 PM (8g9qq)

25 The Bain attacks also failed because, again, it highlights Obama's lack of understanding with the Free Market.

Posted by: nickless at May 31, 2012 12:56 PM (MMC8r)

26 Mitt will find out the hard way as soon as they have their first debate: You don’t debate Obama.” I don't buy that. Pull a Reagan on him. " Now Now there you go again making up facts. Lets talk about what is really happing in the real world."

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2012 12:56 PM (05RcU)

27
Two queries.

#1 What grown man says "smokes" like that still?

#2 Why does your comment get balluxed up when you paste text in the box?

Posted by: soothsayer at May 31, 2012 12:56 PM (9Q7Nu)

28 Want to see what happens when an issue has traction? Check out Indian Princess Elizabeth Warren.

I take your larger point, but I'm not so sure that the Sitting Scrunt issue has actual legs. Every MA dummy I talk to that doesn't explicitly identify as conservative (redundant?) - even ones that are politically disengaged - says the issue "doesn't matter" and it's "stupid".

Posted by: The Mega Independent at May 31, 2012 12:56 PM (AlYnQ)

29

Let's put it this way.  If Team Obama launches another stupid cheat shot at the Mitt, is it likely that Team Mitt will give them a swift kick in the nuts?   There's at least a 50% chance, and I say that as a good thing.

 

Romney has been playing with tough smart people who have their own money and financial interests on the line for a long time--none of this political/community organizing shit. When you're playing with your own money, you're playing for keeps.  So he knows how to fight--and mostly win.  The question is whether those business skills will translate into the political arena--but right now at least it's looking good.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at May 31, 2012 12:56 PM (6USwK)

30 You guys don't believe Obama is brilliant?

Just look at all his accomplishments in the private sector. Look at how many people Obama helped.

oh wait...

Posted by: soothsayer at May 31, 2012 12:57 PM (9Q7Nu)

31 >>You don’t debate Obama.

Is it possible to "debate" someone who just calls you names instead of rebutting your point?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 31, 2012 12:57 PM (/kI1Q)

32 Hmmm.

I wonder what the FNC panel will have to say about the Boston incident and the Solyndra visit.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 31, 2012 12:57 PM (piMMO)

33
okay, just look at the scholarly articles authored by Obama

oh wait...

Posted by: soothsayer at May 31, 2012 12:58 PM (9Q7Nu)

34 Every attack has such an obvious counter. Bain sucks----Solyndra, private equity donations, doesn't understand free market. MA Gov----UE was 4.7%. That's pretty good, what is your record again for the US again? Obamacare----There is a difference between a state enacting a law, and the federal government enacting a law. I believe the SCOTUS affirmed that. Ryan Budget---5T in debt, 500B out of Medicare for Ocare, crushing debt, kids living at home. Abortion/contraception---ignore question, talk about how women are being crushed by economy. It goes on and on....

Posted by: MJ at May 31, 2012 12:58 PM (/x4oj)

35 Sarah Palin Was Right


------


I noticed that too. Repeatedly.

Posted by: mama winger at May 31, 2012 12:58 PM (P6QsQ)

36

 

 

"Barthwell, the only black member of Romney’s 1965 class at Cranbrook
Schools"

 

Ok, got all I need to make a judgment...

 

 

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E. Buzz. Bunnies. at May 31, 2012 12:58 PM (tcSZb)

37 You don’t debate Obama.

Or what?  He'll release your sealed divorce records?

Posted by: pep at May 31, 2012 12:58 PM (6TB1Z)

38 But even there, it was clear he was brilliant,” Barthwell said of Obama. Facts not in evidence. Overruled.

Posted by: nickless at May 31, 2012 12:59 PM (MMC8r)

39 ahoy

Posted by: palinisto at May 31, 2012 12:59 PM (oejS5)

40
Obama, like Warren, is another "legendary" debater.

We have no evidence of it, but he is.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 31, 2012 01:00 PM (9Q7Nu)

41 ot really engaged in the moment and able to quickly react to an opponent's statement and turn it on him (like Gingrich can). --- Like the debate that closed with a question offering each candidate the opportunity to correct a misperception about themselves. Mittens instead began yammering off talking points and got pissy when the moderator tried to bring him back on topic.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at May 31, 2012 01:00 PM (gPDxp)

42

I didn't read all the comments above--then I came on this one "Obama will smoke Romney in a debate".

 

If you take The Bamster's teleprompter away--hell even with his teleprompter and the 28 year old ignoranuses who write his speeches, he's prone to gaffes.  Can you say "smoked" as in smoked Polish sausage?  I don't think the Poles think much of The Bamster's speaking/debating skills today, and in a fair fight with fair media reporting, (hah as if that would ever happen) I think Mitt will do okay.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at May 31, 2012 01:00 PM (6USwK)

43 And Trump!  The Donald would be a great debate surrogate!  If Romney can handle Trump with panache, then he could down B. Hussein Obama like a cool can of Arizona Watermelon mixed with skittles and Robitussin!

Posted by: starboardhelm at May 31, 2012 01:00 PM (hHgxI)

44 Yes, you DO debate Obama.  He's NOT brilliant. -- ( aren't we There yet? )


POS is a vain brittle ponce--If you jab him, he will crack like thin ice

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at May 31, 2012 01:00 PM (Dll6b)

45 Mittens debating Obama would be as cruel as stomping a retarded puppy...I'm hoping Mittens hates retarded puppies.

Posted by: model_1066 at May 31, 2012 01:00 PM (YbQJm)

46 The black guy said Obama was brilliant. I'm shocked.

Posted by: Dagny at May 31, 2012 01:00 PM (9ybEY)

47 37 You don’t debate Obama.

Or what? He'll release your sealed divorce records?




No worries for Romney.  Now if Mitt could get some pics of Barry and Rahm at Man Country.....

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 31, 2012 01:01 PM (UOM48)

48 Barthwell  is  comparing  his  memory  of  grade  school  Mitt  against  his  memory of  Harvard  Law  school   Obama.   Of  course  SCoaMF  would  appear  more  formidable  compared  to  a  grade  school   kid. 

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at May 31, 2012 01:01 PM (0AfWC)

49 Jimmy Carter was the Smartest Man Alive.

Posted by: Cicero at May 31, 2012 01:01 PM (QKKT0)

50 Romney may never convince Santorum, Newt, or Perry to help him train for the debates, but I think that would make a great stage play idea.  Or at least dinner theater.

Posted by: Scott555 at May 31, 2012 01:01 PM (wur7j)

51 Just got off the phone with phone survey guy from "Friends of Tom Barrett". I'm thinking he wasn't too pleased with my answers, particularly the one about honesty and integrity. Even the damned survey took too long, and the surveyor wasn't all that bright, either. Of course, he didn't tell me he was doing the survey on behalf of Tom Barrett's friends. Hell, I didn't even know he HAD any friends left.

Posted by: tcn at May 31, 2012 01:01 PM (WhSRj)

52
No, seriously, guys. It's in a song!

You don't tug on Superman's cape.

And You Don't Debate Obama.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 31, 2012 01:01 PM (9Q7Nu)

53 While I generally agree with Ace on the "vetting" via primary issue, I think he misses a real point.

Transparency.

Romney really IS an open book. Want to know something about his past? Either he, his biographer (Hugh Hewitt) or more likely an oppo researcher has dug up the issue, dissected it, and viewed it from every angle.

Want to know something about Obama?

RAAAAAAAAAAAACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Which one do you think actually works better in the long run?

In spite of all the MSM assists, people realize they know what Romney has been about. And people are now figuring out they don't know a damn thing about Obama except the fact that he lies.

Posted by: xbradtc at May 31, 2012 01:02 PM (hcG4W)

54
Of course SCoaMF would appear more formidable compared to a grade school kid.

That's debatable.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 31, 2012 01:02 PM (9Q7Nu)

55 5. Wait, I spent much of the last year listening to "Romney is glib and slick" from the purity brigade.

With all due respect, two words that should NOT be used on this blog between now and November are "purity" and "pragmatic." This is no time for the circular firing squad.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at May 31, 2012 01:02 PM (IlZPo)

56 Black Magistrate from Detroit? Sure. Impartial.

Posted by: nickless at May 31, 2012 01:02 PM (MMC8r)

57 Palin repeatedly stated that she wanted the primary to go all the way to the convention.  Unless you're a Paultard it's a bit of a stretch to suggest she was right.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 31, 2012 01:03 PM (SY2Kh)

58 You don't tug on Superman's cape.

And You Don't Debate Obama.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 31, 2012 06:01 PM (9Q7Nu)


I'm pretty sure that part was about where you should and should not spit.  ***spits***

Posted by: tcn at May 31, 2012 01:03 PM (WhSRj)

59 Debate:

Mitt:  Mr. President here are all my transcripts, high school through college.  Where are yours?

Choom Boy:  Errr.....um......uh......

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 31, 2012 01:03 PM (UOM48)

60

 

 

I must say, this Obama fellow is just not good, not a good debater, not good at speaking, in general, and this is why his ratings are so bad, are they really are awful. I'm just being honest.

 

I can't see him getting better ratings right now, and one of the main reasons is because he is so bad at speaking, but not as bad as he is at thinking and doing things that normal people do. There he has a major problem, in my view, that will be hard to overcome.

 

 

 

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E. Buzz. Bunnies. Trump. at May 31, 2012 01:04 PM (tcSZb)

61 60Debate:

Mitt: Mr. President here are all my transcripts, high school through college. Where are yours?

Choom Boy: Errr.....um......uh......

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 31, 2012 06:03 PM (UOM4

 

 

I'd start with "What is 5 x 2?"

Posted by: model_1066 at May 31, 2012 01:04 PM (YbQJm)

62 Hussein debated McCain!!  ( it rhymes )


He was a well-prepped Unknown---he ain't unknown now, and Romney ain't Juan

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at May 31, 2012 01:04 PM (Dll6b)

63 First of all Romney is gonna have to pull a few Newts and go after the MSM when they ask him absurd questions and let obama slide and then remind obama he is running against Him, Romney, and not President Bush.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2012 01:05 PM (05RcU)

64 You don't tug on Superman's cape.

And You Don't Debate Obama.


****

And you don't mess around with Mitt.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 31, 2012 01:05 PM (piMMO)

65 Even when I was full on the Perry train.. I thought Mitt won every debate. He really is the adult in the room. I doubt Obama agrees to more than 1.. maybe 2 debates.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at May 31, 2012 01:05 PM (DGIjM)

66 >>You don't tug on Superman's cape.
>>And You Don't Debate Obama.


He lied to us through song. I _hate_ when people do that!

Posted by: Homer J. Simpson at May 31, 2012 01:05 PM (/kI1Q)

67 The media will still provide some shit-ass moderator for the debates though.

Posted by: Dr. Varno at May 31, 2012 01:05 PM (Bjf6/)

68 I'd start with "What is 5 x 2?"

Posted by: model_1066 at May 31, 2012 06:04 PM (YbQJm)


I'd start with "How many states make up the United States?"

Posted by: tcn at May 31, 2012 01:06 PM (WhSRj)

69 is that why one of you mentioned Leroy Brown in the other thread?


Posted by: soothsayer at May 31, 2012 01:06 PM (9Q7Nu)

70 Can you debate someone that stoned?

Posted by: Dagny at May 31, 2012 01:06 PM (9ybEY)

71 Palin repeatedly stated that she wanted the primary to go all the way to the convention. Unless you're a Paultard it's a bit of a stretch to suggest she was right.


****

About that, no. And I thought/think she was wrong about about backing Newt as well, but she has been right about an awful lot.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 31, 2012 01:06 PM (piMMO)

72 Romney was indeed battle-tested in the primaries. Not to an extreme but a pretty good bolus of abuse did surface. No, the real advantage comes from his crack campaign team. They are running with high octane gas right now. They are very nimble.

IOW this is not your old McCain campaign team.

I am very impressed with that and probably more with that than the candidate himself. This bodes well. As does the fact that Obama is a SCoaMF and the failing is getting deeper.

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 31, 2012 01:07 PM (eHIJJ)

73

 

 

Barry can give him the finger!!!

 

 

Posted by: Rev. Dr. E. Buzz. Bunnies. Trump. at May 31, 2012 01:07 PM (tcSZb)

74 What language do they speak in Vienna?

Posted by: Cicero at May 31, 2012 01:07 PM (QKKT0)

75 Mitt: Mr. President here are all my transcripts, high school through college. Where are yours?

I don't think that will work, because if pressed  Obama will just release some obviously forged transcripts, and anyone who points that out will be fragged.

Besides, I don't think Mitt needs to do anything but keep needling Obama on his record in office.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at May 31, 2012 01:07 PM (IlZPo)

76

When the steel company (GST?) ad came out I thought that comparable to a Doctor saving a cancer patient with two weeks to live and then getting blamed by the family when the patient dies 9 years later from being hit by a truck.

A person with less class than Romney would have said, "You'd think they'd thank me."   Come to think of it, I believe one did.

Meanwhile, Romney could have explained it much better than he did, but who'd have listened?  It takes time to percolate.  It was his call, seems to have worked out.

Posted by: Dirks Strewn at May 31, 2012 01:08 PM (P40Y6)

77 68 The media will still provide some s***-ass moderator for the debates though

My money's on Soledad O'Brien.

Posted by: pep at May 31, 2012 01:08 PM (6TB1Z)

78 Mitt: Mr. President here are all my transcripts, high school through college. Where are yours? I don't think that will work, because if pressed Obama will just release some obviously forged transcripts, and anyone who points that out will be fragged. Besides, I don't think Mitt needs to do anything but keep needling Obama on his record in office. Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at May 31, 2012 06:07 PM (IlZPo) Yes and all those kind of attacks- transcripts/past history--should come from interested 3rd party sources.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2012 01:09 PM (05RcU)

79 brilliant,” Barthwell said of Obama.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 31, 2012 05:50 PM (9Q7Nu)

 

Did this Affirmative Action grad not know Romney is a Harvard Law grad as well?

Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at May 31, 2012 01:09 PM (NVu2l)

80 The reason Obama thought that just saying "Bain" would work in his favor is very simple:  in all his life he has been told over and over that he is ultra-super-smart and totally special, and in the circles he ran he was never told "No" or "That's a dumb idea, Barry."

So yes, when you believe yourself to be God-like, you're going to say and do things that those who do not hold your opinion will find stupid, unhelpful or counterproductive. 

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 31, 2012 01:09 PM (i0App)

81 “It’s Harvard Law School, so you’re not surprised if someone ends up

doing something impressive. But even there, it was clear he was

brilliant,” Barthwell said of Obama.

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Does not compute!

Posted by: WalrusRex at May 31, 2012 01:09 PM (Hx5uv)

82 Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 31, 2012 06:03 PM (UOM4

He won't do it, but I would pay lots of money to see it.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 31, 2012 01:09 PM (nEUpB)

83 Mitt does not feel it is an honor just to be nominated.  He wants to be president.  He's put in years of work to that end and he isn't going to cede it to Obama.  He'll be ready in debates.

Posted by: huerfano at May 31, 2012 01:10 PM (bAGA/)

84 >>>You don’t debate Obama.

Well in all honesty while they may call it that, Romney won't be debating Obama. He will be debating an enabling media, while Obama gets equal time to do an infomercial on why he should be re-elected. That's just the way it is.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 31, 2012 01:10 PM (0q2P7)

85
My wishlist of speakers at the GOP convention:

The Rock
Chris Christie
Rudy G
Sarah Palin
Rick Perry
Marco Rubio
Ann Coulter
Rush
Ted Nugent
the I Like Turtles kid

Posted by: soothsayer at May 31, 2012 01:10 PM (9Q7Nu)

86 I'd start with, "How many 'i's' are there in 'team'? (Hint: it isn't "all of them".)

Posted by: AnonymousDrivel at May 31, 2012 01:10 PM (eHIJJ)

87 is that why one of you mentioned Leroy Brown in the other thread?


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Segue pattern:

Perhaps will make the mistake of messing around with the wife of a jealous man...

Bad, bad Leroy Brown he ain't...

Edwards looks like a jigsaw puzzle with a couple of pieces gone...

then we wind up here with references to spitting in the wind and tugging on superman's cape.


Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 31, 2012 01:10 PM (piMMO)

88 If Barthwell thinks obama is brilliant, then how smart can he be?  I have tried to find one fragment of even adequacy on bho's part to no avail.  His only talent is reading prepared remarks from a teleprompter in a Black preacher's soaring singsong voice with a White accent.  His biggest strength is that he is just barely brown, but, was raised by White Folks here and overseas, so he sounds more articulate than he is, because the intelligentsia in the whole world has been White Folks for centuries.  For goodness sake, he married a big, ugly, angry, graceless, tasteless, tactless, and talentless woman just to get some ghetto creds from her South Side of Chicago family.

Posted by: Will Not Assimilate For Food at May 31, 2012 01:10 PM (kXoT0)

89 Debate:

Mitt: Mr. President, are YOU better off than you were four years ago?

(h/t Jane D'oh)

Posted by: S Daniel at May 31, 2012 01:10 PM (BVkEs)

90 It's been a great day.  Icing on the cake would have been Silky Pony doing the perp walk.

Still, as someone who was Team Perry (and bought the bumper stickers), I'm pleased as punch with Mitt right now. 




Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 31, 2012 01:10 PM (UOM48)

91 I doubt Obama agrees to more than 1.. maybe 2 debates. Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp

You're optimistic.  0 or 1, tops.

Posted by: pep at May 31, 2012 01:10 PM (6TB1Z)

92 >>The media will still provide some s***-ass moderator for the debates though

First question:  Mr. Romney, you are really, really white.


Posted by: Tavis Smiley at May 31, 2012 01:11 PM (/kI1Q)

93

ome of his worst moments came when he was challenged -- be became peevish (to use a kind word) and sort of just looked like a dick.... Now, that's a skill Romney is simply not going to pick up -- there is a limit to the extent skills you don't have can be gained -- but he absolutely must get used to dickheads challenging him and saying dickhead things to him in public fora.


That's a lot of dicks.

something on your mind, Ace?

lolwut

Posted by: imp at May 31, 2012 01:11 PM (UaxA0)

94 mr president.....how did you pay for your pot, coke and heroin? did you ever use drugs in the presence of your mother? grandmother? grandfather?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2012 01:11 PM (Ho2rs)

95 Mark Levin is right as well as he talks about the Edwards trial. These charges were bogus, he should have got off, and fuck the feds.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 31, 2012 01:11 PM (cWkOB)

96 My wishlist of speakers at the GOP convention:

The Rock
Chris Christie
Rudy G
Sarah Palin
Rick Perry
Marco Rubio
Ann Coulter
Rush
Ted Nugent
the I Like Turtles kid

*****

Trey Gowdy (future superstar that one)
Rand Paul

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 31, 2012 01:11 PM (piMMO)

97 If Mitt wants to hide something from the MSM, he should put in an autobiography.

/sarc

Posted by: Tonic Dog at May 31, 2012 01:12 PM (X/+QT)

98 I'm not impressed by this Barthwell fellow, who seems to make a point of using his blackness to decide his path.  Of COURSE he's going to say Obama is the its.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at May 31, 2012 01:12 PM (i0App)

99 You don’t debate Obama

As long as no one brings up the Polacks, he can't lose.

Posted by: Marion Barry at May 31, 2012 01:12 PM (HtUdo)

100 For goodness sake, he married a big, ugly, angry, graceless, tasteless, tactless, and talentless woman just to get some ghetto creds from her South Side of Chicago family. Posted by: Will Not Assimilate For Food at May 31, 2012 06:10 PM (kXoT0) Ya know that really rolls of the tongue. I like it

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2012 01:13 PM (05RcU)

101 >>My wishlist of speakers at the GOP convention:

Gotta have someone from Wisconsin.

Posted by: Tavis Smiley at May 31, 2012 01:13 PM (/kI1Q)

102 Mitt:  Mr. President, how did you travel to Pakistan and who paid for your trip?
And what is this "Choom Gang"?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 31, 2012 01:13 PM (UOM48)

103
Needlemeyer, it sounds like your suggesting a wild and fantastic connection of events that will eventually lead us into something spectacular.

Which reminds me, do you watch Dirk Gently?

He's a "holistic detective." Cute show.

Posted by: soothsayer at May 31, 2012 01:13 PM (9Q7Nu)

104 *beats smarmy sock into submission*

Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 31, 2012 01:13 PM (/kI1Q)

105 >>>You don’t debate Obama.

And for the record I've never lost a debate to a socialist regardless of their education. Their logic is fundamentally flawed, so they start at a huge disadvantage. Once you establish that thoughtless dogoodery in reality does a lot of harm, the usual bleeding heart emotional attacks start to fall apart, even on an emotional level.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 31, 2012 01:13 PM (0q2P7)

106 Frankly, I don't care about John Edwards.  He's yesterday's news and forever disgraced.  Today's news is that Mitt has a big, big can of whup-ass and is sharpening up his can opener.

Posted by: pep at May 31, 2012 01:14 PM (6TB1Z)

107 My wishlist of speakers at the GOP convention:

Mark Steyn
Bolton

Posted by: Cicero at May 31, 2012 01:14 PM (QKKT0)

108

Obama is such a target-rich subject. If I'm Romney, every statement hints at Obama's cowardice. No budgets, no entitlement reforms, nothing that would cost him an ounce of capital with his base. That should be wedged so tightly up the presidential wazoo that Toonces staggers out of the building.

 

"Hard decisions" is a term I would probably beat to death.

Posted by: spongeworthy at May 31, 2012 01:14 PM (r5w1L)

109

Perry: Hypocrisy and cheap attacks like Seamus, "Horse Ballet," Illegal immigrant hypocrisy, racism against Hispanics, and an unclear view of foreign policy, general unreadiness to lead the armed forces

And .. uh, one more thing, uh, what was it . . .

Posted by: imp at May 31, 2012 01:14 PM (UaxA0)

110 A debate is contention in argument; dispute, controversy; discussion; esp. the discussion of questions of public interest in Parliament or in any assembly.

Please continue.

Posted by: Soledad O'Brien's Earpiece at May 31, 2012 01:14 PM (eHIJJ)

111 mr. president how did you get accepted to columbia after cutting your high school classes and spending your days getting high?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2012 01:15 PM (Ho2rs)

112 Obama did not "smoke" McCain in the debates. McCain, for heaven's sake! Based on performance, they were pretty close to a toss-up. What the debates did was establish the outsider Obama as a respectable, reasonable candidate. This time the debates will do the same thing --- but for Romney.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 31, 2012 01:15 PM (C8mVl)

113 Am I forgetting 2008 or something?

I'm obviously biased, but I don't recall Obama exactly being a paragon of mind-blowing debate genius against John 'Speak No Ill Of Your Opponent'  McCain.

As I remember it, he offered little besides looking pretty, now-broken promises, and mindless platitudes.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 31, 2012 01:15 PM (SY2Kh)

114 The more I look, the more I realize that the Boy King is a man of substandard intelligence, who advanced along the ladder due to a combination of mentors and affirmitive action.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at May 31, 2012 01:15 PM (KwMW2)

115 >>Frankly, I don't care about John Edwards. He's yesterday's news and forever disgraced.

Now that you've said that, he's gonna rise from the lake like Freddy Krueger.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 31, 2012 01:15 PM (/kI1Q)

116 I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, Edwards is an a-hole. On the other, he was charged with a crime that nobody thought was a crime until the prosecutor made it up. John Edwards is a miserable excuse for a human being, but that's not against the law. Nor should it be.

Posted by: Socratease at May 31, 2012 01:15 PM (vaIln)

117
Mitt:  Mr. President, do you get a woody when you choose who to kill on your "kill list"?  Hey, how 'bout that Nobel Peace Prize!

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 31, 2012 01:15 PM (UOM48)

118 114 A debate is contention in argument; dispute, controversy; discussion; esp. the discussion of questions of public interest in Parliament or in any assembly.  Please continue.

No it's not.

Posted by: The automatic gainsayer at May 31, 2012 01:16 PM (6TB1Z)

119 Trey Gowdy (future superstar that one)
Rand Paul


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A couple more:

Tom Selleck
Dennis Miller
Zell Miller

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 31, 2012 01:16 PM (piMMO)

120 mr president would you be upset if a scumbag such as yourself was admitted to a college over your daughters?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2012 01:16 PM (Ho2rs)

121 At least the left can't paint Romney as being an idiot. No one believes that. His VP will be another story all together, no matter who it is.

Posted by: MJ at May 31, 2012 01:16 PM (/x4oj)

122 Ignorance is the ally of deceit. - Ace Dickens: "This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both, and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy, for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, unless the writing be erased."

Posted by: ChampionCapua at May 31, 2012 01:16 PM (KZi9D)

123 Mitt: Mr. President, do you get a woody when you choose who to kill on your "kill list"? Hey, how 'bout that Nobel Peace Prize!

Heh.

Do you say, "Finish him"?

Posted by: Cicero at May 31, 2012 01:17 PM (QKKT0)

124 Whoops, wrong thread, sorry.

Posted by: Socratease at May 31, 2012 01:17 PM (vaIln)

125 White House: Iran engages in 'malignant behavior' in Syria By REUTERS05/31/2012 23:20Spokesman accuses Iran of "malignant behavior" for propping up Assad; Iran continues to expand "nefarious influence" in region"; Washington tries to convince China, Russia of "horrific" risks of escalation. But talking to these, urh what was" Malignant and Nefarious" folk will work in the Nuke talks? Some freaken logic there?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2012 01:18 PM (05RcU)

126 Forget the debate(s) between Mitt and Barky, the real fun will come with whoever Mitt chooses as his running mate and Sparky Biden.

It'll be (in Obama's words) like the Special Olympics or something.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at May 31, 2012 01:18 PM (UOM48)

127 124 mr president

would you be upset if a scumbag such as yourself was admitted to a college over your daughters?


Hypothetical, Mr. President.  If someone were to use their race to advance themselves, regardless of whatever advantages they had in life, would you approve?

Posted by: The automatic gainsayer at May 31, 2012 01:18 PM (6TB1Z)

128
Iran?

Syria?

Jobs data.

Distraction.


(McCloud!)

Posted by: soothsayer at May 31, 2012 01:19 PM (9Q7Nu)

129 I can't see him getting better ratings right now, and one of the main reasons isbecause he is so bad at speaking, but not as bad as he is at thinking and doing things that normal people do. There he has a major problem, in my view, that will be hard to overcome.


Posted by: Rev. Dr. E. Buzz. Bunnies. Trump. at May 31, 2012 06:04 PM (tcSZb)

 

------------------------------------------------------

 

Just  listen to  him when he goes off the prompter.  It's very very evident that he has absolutely no talent for thinking on his feet.   He has a problem with thinking, period. 

Posted by: Soona at May 31, 2012 01:19 PM (VRHIU)

130 At least the left can't paint Romney as being an idiot. Some liberals say Romney got to his position due to his pedigree/wealth/connections. This is not true. However, Obama is seen as more "Cultivated" by libs

Posted by: Lampshade at May 31, 2012 01:20 PM (lkdo/)

131 Mitt Romney is a stuttering clusterf-

Oops, too soon.

Still not voting for the guy. I'm sorry Ace, but all this "say, this Mitt character aint half bad" gushiness is purely the result of a candidate doing what he does best...telling you what you want to hear. And Mitt is a pro at doing this.

His Inner Leftist has simply gone into hibernation until November.

None of the Above, 2012.

Posted by: Sgt. York at May 31, 2012 01:20 PM (hg81J)

132 Rest assured: If they can't find anything on dear old dad Mitt, they'll go after his sons.

Posted by: S Daniel at May 31, 2012 01:20 PM (BVkEs)

133 97mr president.....how did you pay for your pot, coke and heroin? did you ever use drugs in the presence of your mother? grandmother? grandfather?

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2012 06:11 PM (Ho2rs)

 

How about daughters?

 

And what about Michelle's rhinestone encrusted crack pipe?

Posted by: model_1066 at May 31, 2012 01:21 PM (YbQJm)

134 Apologies if this has been said before. No time to read all the comments. Gov. Palin did not endorse Gingrich. After she said many times that she would not endorse anyone in the presidential primary, her husband was asked who he preferred and he said Gingrich. Later, in an attempt to put the toothpaste back in the tube, she said that Gingrich should stay in the race to keep it competitive because competition makes for stronger candidates. Episode proves once again that spouses should stay away from microphones.

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Lord Collingwood (Mentioned in Dispatches) at May 31, 2012 01:21 PM (d5e0G)

135 Some of the bias against romney is due to his affluence. I grew up in a nice neighborhood. I am not biased. There are some wealthy idiots. However, Romney is not one of them.

Posted by: Lampshade at May 31, 2012 01:21 PM (lkdo/)

136 None of the Above, 2012. Posted by: Sgt. York at May 31, 2012 06:20 PM (hg81J) And that's a vote for obama.

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2012 01:21 PM (05RcU)

137
hahaha @ his inner leftness

right now I'm worried about Obama's outer leftness

Posted by: soothsayer at May 31, 2012 01:21 PM (9Q7Nu)

138 111 My wishlist of speakers at the GOP convention:

Mark Steyn
Bolton


I just got a tingly in my bathing suit area.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at May 31, 2012 01:21 PM (X/+QT)

139 Still not voting for the guy. I'm sorry Ace,

RON PAUL!!!!!!!

Posted by: Cicero at May 31, 2012 01:22 PM (QKKT0)

140 Still not voting for the guy.


Me, me, me, pay attention to me!!!!!!

Posted by: Sgt. York's pathetic need for attention at May 31, 2012 01:22 PM (6TB1Z)

141 I like your idea, Ace.  I hope Romney takes it.

Send it to Jen Rubin. :-)

Posted by: Greg Q at May 31, 2012 01:23 PM (4Pleu)

142 >>>But that reservation turns out to have been unnecessary. Romney does seem to be a stronger candidate for the "vetting."

One thing you totally miss in all of this. Is we are all better surrogates for the campaign thanks to that bitter fight. When someone brings up in casual conversation criticisms of Romney, we don't have to wait for it to be the talking point of the day, then wait for Romney4Pres to issue an official response, we already know how to counter the criticism, and how likely Romney will counter it, because most of us were making that criticism 6 months ago.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 31, 2012 01:23 PM (0q2P7)

143  White House: Iran engages in 'malignant behavior' in Syria By REUTERS05/31/2012 23:20Spokesman accuses Iran of "malignant behavior" for propping up Assad; Iran continues to expand "nefarious influence" in region"; Washington tries to convince China, Russia of "horrific" risks of escalation.

But talking to these, urh what was" Malignant and Nefarious" folk will work in the Nuke talks? Some freaken logic there?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2012 06:18 PM (05RcU)

 

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Syria  is starting to  worry me.  With the characters that are in place, it wouldn't take much to start a major war.  Maybe this is the SCOAMT's plan all along.  What an October surprise!

Posted by: Soona at May 31, 2012 01:23 PM (VRHIU)

144

"Sarah Palin Was Right"

------------------------->

I recommend Listerine to get that taste out of your mouth.

Posted by: Some dude that is not Beefy at May 31, 2012 01:23 PM (yn6XZ)

145 Posted by: Sgt. York at May 31, 2012 06:20 PM (hg81J)

Thanks for sharing.  Now go back to the HA retard farm where you belong, and lock the gate on your way in so none of the others escape.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 31, 2012 01:23 PM (SY2Kh)

146 Syria is starting to worry me. With the characters that are in place, it wouldn't take much to start a major war. Maybe this is the SCOAMT's plan all along. What an October surprise! Posted by: Soona at May 31, 2012 06:23 PM (VRHIU) The 'Next" Middle East War will not be pretty

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2012 01:24 PM (05RcU)

147 However, Obama is seen as more "Cultivated" by libs

Posted by: Lampshade at May 31, 2012 06:20 PM (lkdo/)

And look how far cultivated gets you, rather than competence.

Posted by: model_1066 at May 31, 2012 01:24 PM (YbQJm)

148 Romney was not my guy during the primaries, but, he damn sure is my guy now.  No matter how Liberal he is, he is NOT obama, and Ann is damn sure not the BIG Mo...

Posted by: Will Not Assimilate For Food at May 31, 2012 01:24 PM (kXoT0)

149 My wishlist of speakers at the GOP convention:
...
Rush


What songs would you want them to play?

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 31, 2012 01:25 PM (QnoEr)

150 Only Luap Nor can save this country!

Posted by: Sgt. Peppermint Patty at May 31, 2012 01:25 PM (yn6XZ)

151 >>>None of the Above, 2012.

Then there really isn't any need for you to politically participate until the election is there?

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 31, 2012 01:25 PM (0q2P7)

152 And look how far cultivated gets you, rather than competence. haha..that is funny. Scary too.

Posted by: Lampshade at May 31, 2012 01:25 PM (lkdo/)

153 This is an utterly random question, but why is around 5% considered full employment?  This is one of those things I should know but don't.

Posted by: alexthechick at May 31, 2012 01:25 PM (VtjlW)

154 Analysis of the Walker case from CEI: http://tinyurl.com/6lnhjq6 There's been a lot of confusion about what happened on the way out of the courtoom (i.e. the arrest), it really looks like Walker was arrested for perfectly legal speech, and judge Vaughey is reported as saying he didn't care about the Supreme Court's Brandenburg ruling on the 1st.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 31, 2012 01:26 PM (bxiXv)

155 Rush

What songs would you want them to play?


A Farewell to Kings

Posted by: Not Drinking Nearly Enough at May 31, 2012 01:26 PM (HtUdo)

156 Some of the most "Cultivated" are the biggest F*cks. The biggest enemies of Christ were the most "Cultivated" Romans. Have times changed?

Posted by: Lampshade at May 31, 2012 01:26 PM (lkdo/)

157 Still not voting for the guy.

Has anyone seen my ball?

Posted by: As soon as I find it, I'm going home at May 31, 2012 01:26 PM (vbh31)

158 153 My wishlist of speakers at the GOP convention:

Daniel Hannan

Posted by: pep at May 31, 2012 01:27 PM (6TB1Z)

159 @157, think about the bottom 5% of the bell curve. Plus, with creative destruction in a functioning market economy, there's always quite a bit of short term churn.

Posted by: xbradtc at May 31, 2012 01:27 PM (hcG4W)

160 Gov. Palin did not endorse Gingrich. After she said many times that she would not endorse anyone in the presidential primary, her husband was asked who he preferred and he said Gingrich. Later, in an attempt to put the toothpaste back in the tube, she said that Gingrich should stay in the race to keep it competitive because competition makes for stronger candidates.


***

If this isn't an endorsement, I don't know what is:

Newt is whom I chose up here in Alaska to best represent the ideas that many Alaskans want to see, the preferred presidential candidate in this area. That's who I cast my vote for," Palin said.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 31, 2012 01:28 PM (piMMO)

161 >>>This is an utterly random question, but why is around 5% considered full employment? This is one of those things I should know but don't.

Transitory unemployment. Folks who are just legitimately between jobs, cause of whatever. Even if the job market is red hot with far more openings than people to fill them, some folks are going to be unemployed for a month or so while they weigh the options of where to work next.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 31, 2012 01:28 PM (0q2P7)

162 Interesting question. Who is the most cultivated man in America. Who is the most competent?

Posted by: Lampshade at May 31, 2012 01:28 PM (lkdo/)

163 Honestly, I would debate Obama. And I'd kick his narrow ass.

Posted by: Cicero at May 31, 2012 05:52 PM (QKKT0)



Fuck yes; I'd take the JEF on myself in either debating or hoops and truck his pansy ass like I was on the clock.  One of the biggest disappointments in the 2008 campaign was just how pathetic McRINO did in them when Il Douche gave so many answers that were begging to be smacked out of the fucking arena.  I gained a new level of hatred for McStain at that point which still hasn't subsided.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 31, 2012 01:28 PM (ROTAA)

164

 

Not sure about using Newt, Santorum or Perry, as sparring partners....

 

Mitt just needs to concentrate on coming across as strong, patient and savvy about foreign affairs.

 

Barky is a total fraud....and while he is not an Alpha Male, he plays one on TV.

So Mitt needs to figure out ways to expose Barky's weeknesses...on camera...while the whole country is watching.

Posted by: wheatie at May 31, 2012 01:28 PM (YzQ1g)

165 Also, staff of one party can't think like an attacker. In their heart they know they agree with the boss. (otherwise why are they there?)

Good idea for some folks LIKE Gingrich, Perry and Santorum to be sparring partners. Don't know as how they'd agree and whether they'd really try that hard.

Need OPPONENTS or those who can project themselves into attacking like one for sparring partners. It's why good fighters try to use up and comers. Ones with the "eye" and looking to put the Top Dog down.

That's probably not going to happen.

Still I'm impressed. I thought we were going to get a richer version of McCain but instead he's showing his Commander In Chief side.

Now to see what things they'll invent to throw him off stride.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 31, 2012 01:28 PM (CP+yl)

166 However, Obama is seen as more "Cultivated" by libs

Posted by: Lampshade at May 31, 2012 06:20 PM (lkdo/)

 

People who agree with you always seem smart. ;

Posted by: Hydrocarbon Liberation Front at May 31, 2012 01:29 PM (NVu2l)

167 This is an utterly random question, but why is around 5% considered full employment?

An interesting note is that 5% unemployment in places like Singapore or Switzerland is considered a fucking disaster. I don't know if they measure it differently.

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 31, 2012 01:29 PM (QnoEr)

168 Posted by: Sgt. York at May 31, 2012 06:20 PM (hg81J)

Obama is destroying this country. You should not want him to win. What state are you in?

Posted by: Dagny at May 31, 2012 01:29 PM (9ybEY)

169 . Even if the job market is red hot with far more openings than people to fill them, some folks are going to be unemployed for a month or so while they weigh the options of where to work next. It gets complicated because some of the 5 percent have mental problems, disabled, unskilled, lazy or even bad luck. Been like this forever.

Posted by: Lampshade at May 31, 2012 01:30 PM (lkdo/)

170 O/T: After watching SpaceX's Dragon docking I was happy to see private industry beginning to take over NASA's job. Especially in light of NASA becoming an empty shell of it's former self with significant defunding and the muslim outreach BS.

I wasn't aware of how much crony funding SpaceX's co-founder Elon Musk was getting from the JEF via his other "green" ventures (aside from Tesla Motors). It's an interesting article.

http://scoamf.us/u9

The amount of money that's literally flying out of this administration is rediculous. And I'm sure that we're not even close to being aware of the full scope of the financial clusterfuckery.

Posted by: Toaster at May 31, 2012 01:30 PM (sJKFk)

171 People who agree with you always seem smart. ; Good point

Posted by: Lampshade at May 31, 2012 01:30 PM (lkdo/)

172 Lampshade, really, are you related to curious?

Posted by: Dagny at May 31, 2012 01:30 PM (9ybEY)

173 Interesting question. Who is the most cultivated man in America. Who is the most competent?


******


OOOOH! OOH! Let me guess!


Robin Leach?

Brian Dennehy?

Kevin James?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 31, 2012 01:31 PM (piMMO)

174 Who is the most cultivated man in America. Who is the most competent? Posted by: Lampshade at May 31, 2012 06:28 PM (lkdo/) Who was it that won that contest for distance when you fart on a lighted match? That guy

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2012 01:32 PM (05RcU)

175 Yeah, but which one knows more about Judaism?

Posted by: xbradtc at May 31, 2012 01:32 PM (hcG4W)

176

Frankly, I don't care about John Edwards. He's yesterday's news and forever disgraced.

------

Neither do I - but I do care about todays news, and that is a federal government that would bring a piece of shit case like this against a private citizen - and the other 99,000 bogus cases they attack the people with a year.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 31, 2012 01:32 PM (cWkOB)

177 MSM making Edwards to be not that bad. Edwards is hugging people and praying. The guy is a turd! He is lying on national TV right now. Saying he loves his daughter and stuff. Says God is with him etc. Who can read the mind of God. If he loved his daughter he would not be setting such a bad example!! I am surprised his daughter is not more messed up.

Posted by: Lampshade at May 31, 2012 01:33 PM (lkdo/)

178 Syria is starting to worry me. With the characters that are in place, it wouldn't take much to start a major war. Maybe this is the SCOAMT's plan all along. What an October surprise!
Posted by: Soona at May 31, 2012 06:23 PM (VRHIU)


Syria?  About the only major Arab allies they have with military capability are Iran and Hezbollah.  If any of the other Arab states do take some form of action (most aren't big fans of Alawite Assad), I don't see Iran trying to take all comers.

Russia and China will continue to run interference in the UN and sell whatever weapons they can, but won't get directly involved militarily.

If Assad regains control I could see him re-invading Lebanon and putting Hezbollah in complete control which could lead to another Lebanese civil war, but I don't see it likely that the rebellion in Syria is going to lead to widespread war.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 31, 2012 01:33 PM (SY2Kh)

179 157 This is an utterly random question, but why is around 5% considered full employment? This is one of those things I should know but don't. Posted by: alexthechick at May 31, 2012 06:25 PM (VtjlW) My understanding is that it's the level below which competition causes wage inflation that drives general inflation (among many other reasons). It's a sort of "usually agreed figure" for economists, not universal and with big error bars around it. Depending on the economy, 4 or 6% may be considered "full," which means something different for an economist than for a glass of water. Also, a certain amount is unavoidable, I think the figure for people who are between jobs on a very short term basis at any given time is about 2%, and then there are chronically unemployable adults who keep trying, regional displacement, etc. It's kind of an "everybody agreed that was a reasonable guess" number.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 31, 2012 01:34 PM (bxiXv)

180 Neither do I - but I do care about todays news, and that is a federal government that would bring a piece of shit case like this against a private citizen - and the other 99,000 bogus cases they attack the people with a year. Posted by: Jimmah at May 31, 2012 06:32 PM (cWkOB) That is very true. This case was bullshit and who gives a rat's ass about Edwards, but if they can do that to him, they can do that to us in other circumstances. And to fight City Hall or more importantly the Feds is damn near impossible unless your as rich as Edwards. great point Jimmah

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2012 01:35 PM (05RcU)

181 I personally hope that coups like Mittsy pulled at Solyndra happen more often.  I'd love to see the left get a taste of its own medicine more often.  No one deserves it more.

Posted by: Mr_Write at May 31, 2012 01:36 PM (VJUQK)

182 Ace has something to say, but he can't help saying it (redundantly) 5 times in different, or even the same, way in one post. You really should get some knowledgeable friend you trust to edit you. Your stuff would be much better. I say this as a well-wisher (in that I don't wish you any specific harm).

Posted by: ms. docweasel at May 31, 2012 01:36 PM (oTC8Y)

183 I guess what I meant by lib love for 'cultivated' things is that they are shallow, unreflective twits who are not only incapable of thinking for themselves, but need to project qualities they lack onto dear leader, just as they project shortcomings they have on dear leader's enemies.  I tease my lib friends by suggesting that they voted for Urkel because of his toned, bronze pecs and his soothing baritone.

Posted by: model_1066 at May 31, 2012 01:37 PM (YbQJm)

184 Thankfully, the NY Times and Washington Post have thoroughly vetted our president.

Posted by: Sniffington Twatwaffle IV, CEO Solar Conversion Operations of Mid Florida (SCOAMF) at May 31, 2012 01:37 PM (sJKFk)

185 "Who is the most cultivated man in America. Who is the most competent?" Um. I think it's that Dos Equis man. The one that bowls over-handed. Yes, that guy.

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 31, 2012 01:38 PM (C8mVl)

186 It's kind of an "everybody agreed that was a reasonable guess" number.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 31, 2012 06:34 PM (bxiXv)

 

Well that and at any given time around 4% to 5% of the population will be unemployed for a short time but there are jobs available for them to fill. In other words if all the open jobs were filled unemployment would be close to 0.

Posted by: robtr at May 31, 2012 01:38 PM (MtwBb)

187 This is an utterly random question, but why is around 5% considered full employment?

Because in ordinary economic life there will be dislocations caused by fuckups being found out and fired, people leaving jobs because they're moving and don't have anything in where they're going to, people not keeping their skill sets current and being let go.  Those type of things which will always be part of a free market where the entries have differing barriers but the exits have almost none.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 31, 2012 01:38 PM (ROTAA)

188 but I don't see it likely that the rebellion in Syria is going to lead to widespread war. Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 31, 2012 06:33 PM (SY2Kh) It could. A) Assad is desperate and attacks Israel B) Turkey invades Syria and Israel has to act to protect it's North East Border C) Israel finally takes some overt action against Iran and Iran/Hezzbellah respond and Syria decides to use the chaos to settle scores D) unforeseen bad stuff happens

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2012 01:38 PM (05RcU)

189 >>>>You really should get some knowledgeable friend you trust to edit you. Your stuff would be much better.

What Ace? Brief? Concise?
If the inquisition was still going on, we'd be setting up your stake right now.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 31, 2012 01:39 PM (0q2P7)

190 I don't Choom very often, but when I do...

Posted by: That Dos Equis man at May 31, 2012 01:39 PM (vbh31)

191 Romney also absolutely needs someone to pull some racial b.s. on him during practice debates- both subtle and overt. Because you know that's coming either from the moderators or Obama himself. He needs to learn to turn that back on Obama using black unemployment stats. Something along the lines of: The African-American community trusted you, put their faith in you and you didn't deliver. Black unemployment under your administration....etc. Push the knife in and twist.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 31, 2012 01:40 PM (G9qZk)

192 Transitory unemployment. Folks who are just legitimately between jobs, cause of whatever. Even if the job market is red hot with far more openings than people to fill them, some folks are going to be unemployed for a month or so while they weigh the options of where to work next.

Also, a percentage of the working age, non-disabled population are simply unemployable.  They might still be looking for work and thus counted as unemployed, but such shitty employees with a horrible work history that they either won't get hired or will be fired soon after they are.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 31, 2012 01:40 PM (SY2Kh)

193 Lampshade: "Interesting question. Who is the most cultivated man in America. Who is the most competent?"

No, that's a silly question.

Posted by: The Most Interesting Man in the World at May 31, 2012 01:40 PM (eHIJJ)

194 Soothsayer; about the comment pasting.

hit that symbol to the far right in the menu header on the comment box. You'll then see the page with html elements exposed.

Either the comment box adds formatting with pasted in text OR it just faithfully puts in what already there (from wherever you copied it.)

This can make things a mess. However with the comment box html code exposed you can directly edit the formatting.

get rid of <br /> symbols (hard line break)
get rid of <span> and <pre> and <p> Paragraph which cause hard line breaks and odd formatting sometimes.

Also the italic <i> which will cause the rest of the comment to be in italics.

Don't forget to remove their closing symbols which will have a / in them at the end of whatever section they were framing.

I don't know how this comment will turn out. Supposedly those symbols are filtered but who knows what will show up or not?

Go online to w3schools.com for more info than you probably would want about html.

Posted by: Bitter Clinger and all that at May 31, 2012 01:41 PM (CP+yl)

195

Who is the most cultivated man in America. Who is the most competent?

 

 

I'd say, but it wouldn't be classy.

Posted by: Donald Trump's Forehead Merkin at May 31, 2012 01:42 PM (oejS5)

196 that is a federal government that would bring a piece of shit case like this against a private citizen - and the other 99,000 bogus cases they attack the people with a year.

Posted by: Jimmah at May 31, 2012 06:32 PM (cWkOB)



I completely agree.  This was a federal case, no?  Assuming that is "yes" that means that ultimately it was approved by Stedman "Malcolm X in the Middle" Holder which really pisses me the fuck off that taxpayer money was expended on this bogus horseshit instead of things that are really important like dropping the hammer on the worthless shitstains that jobbed Ted Stevens.

Posted by: Captain Hate at May 31, 2012 01:42 PM (ROTAA)

197 Yeah that's why I said repeatedly that I was fine with a long primary with lots of candidates. We saw in 2008 that it was basically harmless to the eventual nominee.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at May 31, 2012 01:42 PM (r4wIV)

198 Just want to say that 11% unemployment is hundreds of percentages higher--HUNDREDS.  Because either 10% is 234% of  4.7%, or 4.5% is about full employment--0%--and thus 11% is infinitely higher.


Posted by: NancyPelzombie at May 31, 2012 01:42 PM (n9Vbj)

199 The most cultivated man? That's ridiculous. You cannot measure that.

Posted by: Dagny at May 31, 2012 01:42 PM (9ybEY)

200 I know some men who have wives who make a lot of money. So they dont need to work. Male homemakers.

Posted by: Lampshade at May 31, 2012 01:42 PM (lkdo/)

201 dagny ????? can...../

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2012 01:43 PM (Ho2rs)

202 Yeah. I think the unemployment rate is higher than the MSM says.

Posted by: Lampshade at May 31, 2012 01:43 PM (lkdo/)

203 >>>>You really should get some knowledgeable friend you trust to edit you. Your stuff would be much better.


Whoa! Slow down. We're still trying to get him to make eye contact with the guy behind the counter at Dunkin Donuts.

Posted by: runninrebel at May 31, 2012 01:43 PM (N/1Dm)

204 No teh SARAH doing jumping jacks video? Shit

Posted by: navycopjoe at May 31, 2012 01:43 PM (gLXfE)

205

Who is the most cultivated man in America. Who is the most competent?

 

 

T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII

Posted by: garrett at May 31, 2012 01:43 PM (oejS5)

206 nood

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 31, 2012 01:44 PM (0q2P7)

207

Ignorance is the ally of deceit.

Ace, you need to "coin" this phrase if no one else has.

Posted by: RiverRat at May 31, 2012 01:44 PM (NRQJk)

208 http://tinyurl.com/86kku6s

 

Posted by: Billy Bob, pseudo-intellectual at May 31, 2012 06:31 PM (hXJOG)

 

-----------

 

Great catch. .....Jaqueline Kennedy and Caroline, riding on the estate, practicing some jumps, etc.

Yeah. ...I guess team Barky forgot that the Kennedys were 'rich horse-people'. 

Posted by: wheatie at May 31, 2012 01:44 PM (YzQ1g)

209 Quoting: "I know they often use campaign staffers as sparring partners, but this is a mistake."

Maybe Mitt can debate one of Obama's staffers...you know, the one that helps Blammy with the speeches (all three of them).  B. Hussein's never complimented TOTUS for ANY of the help he has given, so maybe TOTUS might turn on him.

Posted by: Mr_Write at May 31, 2012 01:44 PM (VJUQK)

210 Margarita DeVille@190,

You do, of course, realize I let you comment first, right?

Posted by: The Most Interesting Man in the World at May 31, 2012 01:44 PM (eHIJJ)

211 "Some of his worst moments came when he was challenged -- be became peevish (to use a kind word) and sort of just looked like a dick."

Specifically, he looked (and sounded, and jerked his shoulders) like G.O.B. Bluth.

Posted by: Knemon at May 31, 2012 01:45 PM (9qp4E)

212 Ace, I like your idea, but I also think Romney (like ME) is loath to respond with more than the minimum possible.  I think most people underestimated, and continue to underestimate Romney.

Posted by: NancyPelzombie at May 31, 2012 01:45 PM (n9Vbj)

213 Who is the most cultivated man in America.

Lots of dems are vegetables.  I don't know which one is the most vegetative but the Dog-Eater looks like a good guess.  He's like a Venus Fido Trap.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 31, 2012 01:45 PM (X3lox)

214 No teh SARAH doing jumping jacks video?

I'm beginning to suspect this video does not actually exist.

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 31, 2012 01:45 PM (QnoEr)

215 196Romney also absolutely needs someone to pull some racial b.s. on him during practice debates- both subtle and overt.

Because you know that's coming either from the moderators or Obama himself.

He needs to learn to turn that back on Obama using black unemployment stats.

Something along the lines of: The African-American community trusted you, put their faith in you and you didn't deliver. Black unemployment under your administration....etc.

Push the knife in and twist.

Posted by: naturalfake at May 31, 2012 06:40 PM (G9qZk)

 

I was thinking it would be more like "wassup, homie?  who got da blunts?"

Posted by: model_1066 at May 31, 2012 01:46 PM (YbQJm)

216 215- "You do, of course, realize I let you comment first, right?" Why, yes! I thought it very, very ...interesting!

Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 31, 2012 01:48 PM (C8mVl)

217 I do not invest a lot of angst in the Arab Spring--UNLESS we try to intervene and spend more American lives.  The Middle East because of islam and sharia law are set up psychologically and institutionally for Strong Man forms of government.  This rocked along for centuries until enterprising American, British, and Dutch oil companies found vast pools of oil in there.  Then the Strong Men in charge figured out that they could kick out the dirty infidels, be rich beyond their wildest dreams, and buy all the arms they need to keep their people under control.  When I watched those folks in Egypt rioting for freedom, I knew the first losers would be women, and they would replace Mubarak with another strong man and probably a religious leader.

Posted by: Will Not Assimilate For Food at May 31, 2012 01:48 PM (kXoT0)

218 Barack Obama has smoked hundreds of men. In this, he is voracious and unstoppable.

Posted by: Sidney Barthwell at May 31, 2012 01:49 PM (w41GQ)

219 i vote for lampshade....he knows every kind of person...he's worked in every kind of company and he drives a hotrod.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2012 01:50 PM (Ho2rs)

220 An interesting note is that 5% unemployment in places like Singapore or Switzerland is considered a fucking disaster. I don't know if they measure it differently.Posted by: Waterhouse

Singapore only has 3.5 million citizens; Der Schweiz is 8 million.

A large part of the difference is due to the fact that both of those countries can count each job individ by individ. The US numbers are statistical figures.

And Singapore has 2 million resident non-citizens ... think about that, 40% of the people who live there aren't citizens! I have to imagine that those people are not part of the official reporting.

Posted by: weft cut-loop [/i] [/b] at May 31, 2012 01:51 PM (akXk+)

221 It could.
A) Assad is desperate and attacks Israel
B) Turkey invades Syria and Israel has to act to protect it's North East Border
C) Israel finally takes some overt action against Iran and Iran/Hezzbellah respond and Syria decides to use the chaos to settle scores
D) unforeseen bad stuff happens


I see those as isolated though; not a major regional conflict.

Assad doesn't have the capability to launch a major attack against Israel, at least not without getting utterly destroyed in about 12 hours.  Their Air Force is a joke.

If Turkey invades Syria, it would likely be with the help of the Arab League.  The Israeli / Syrian border is very narrow; mobilizing to protect it wouldn't require major escalation on their part.

If Israel strikes Iran, both Iran and Hezbolla will respond, but probably limited to rockets and increased terrorist attacks.


Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 31, 2012 01:51 PM (SY2Kh)

222 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at May 31, 2012 01:52 PM (Xb3hu)

223 The debates with Obama will be much different than in the primaries. Romney will have only one opponent to focus on instead of fighting off attacks from multiple opponents. His worst debate moments that I remember were when both Santorum and Perry were going after him at the same time.

Posted by: cheetah at May 31, 2012 01:54 PM (zXhtZ)

224 The best debate advice anyone could give Romney is to reject the Libtard media as moderators.  Letting them moderate the debates is like volunteering to swim the English Channel with a boat anchor on each leg and one broken arm, you can do it, but, it will be hard, bitter, and your results will be mixed.

Posted by: Will Not Assimilate For Food at May 31, 2012 01:57 PM (kXoT0)

225 Posted by: Hollowpoint at May 31, 2012 06:51 PM (SY2Kh) Everyone of your assumptions is a best case senerio. I assume the worst.

Posted by: NPR at May 31, 2012 01:57 PM (05RcU)

226 oops sock off

Posted by: Nevergiveup at May 31, 2012 01:59 PM (05RcU)

227 224 i vote for lampshade....he knows every kind of person...he's worked in every kind of company and he drives a hotrod.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at May 31, 2012 06:50 PM (Ho2rs)


So lampshade. Who is your barber?

Posted by: Dagny at May 31, 2012 02:02 PM (9ybEY)

228 We are increasing out presence in Turkey.

Posted by: Dagny at May 31, 2012 02:03 PM (9ybEY)

229 Ignorance is the ally of deceit. Nice.

Posted by: toby928 at May 31, 2012 02:05 PM (NG097)

230 157 This is an utterly random question, but why is around 5% considered full employment? This is one of those things I should know but don't.
Posted by: alexthechick at May 31, 2012 06:25 PM (VtjlW)


Full employment does not mean everyone has a job - it means that everyone who is employable can find a job.

There are always people in transition and companies failing and other sources of "churn" but full employment is the point of equilibrium where you don't have major pressure either up or down on compensation.

The thing is, it's kind of a myth because there is no single "job market".

Outside of menial / minimum wage jobs, most jobs are at least somewhat specialized and require (or at least prefer) experience and expertise.

There will always be a shortage of good labor in some markets and a surplus in others - this is normal.

The problem is that right now, there are way more job markets with a labor surplus than a shortage - I don't know the ideal numbers, but my guess would be you want 80% of job markets to be in equilibrium and 10% on either end in opposing states of supply and demand to have a healthy market.

When a job market gets too distorted - like the IT job market in the 1990s, then companies become willing to lower standards - best to get some semi competent people in rather than nobody at all.

There was so much demand for IT in the 1990s that it pulled people out of other markets mostly due to the high compensation potential. This in it's self created a side industry for "training" new IT workers - most of the training was fairly exploitative in that it was expensive, made big promises and didn't really prepare people for the real world jobs - but it filled an ever widening gap.

A few years later, the IT job market contracted (market correction and all) as new technologies allowed companies to do more with less, etc.

Schools don't teach people to make market based decisions about their career - too bad.

Posted by: Corporate Recruiter Guy at May 31, 2012 02:06 PM (Ld6wA)

231 So lampshade. Who is your barber? Frank

Posted by: Lampshade at May 31, 2012 02:06 PM (lkdo/)

232

What an awesome post, ace.

"Ignorance is the ally of deceit."

I love this line. It's the main reason leftists have worked so hard to fuck up our educational system.

 

Posted by: Warden at May 31, 2012 02:07 PM (HzhBE)

233 And also, get some pointers from Newt on how to be quicker on your feet.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie at May 31, 2012 02:08 PM (1hM1d)

234 >> The best debate advice anyone could give Romney is to reject the Libtard media as moderators.

He has no choice, when it comes to Obama.

The GOP did have a choice in the primaries, and they flubbed it, as they flub everything.  I have really come to despise the GOP in general.

Posted by: sandy burger at May 31, 2012 02:09 PM (HfydS)

235 #239 He has no choice, when it comes to Obama.

That remains true only so long as GOP candidates remain supine and paralyzed when it comes to the issue.  Someone, some election needs to say that enough is enough, moderators of the debate will be NEUTRAL.

Posted by: Will Not Assimilate For Food at May 31, 2012 02:22 PM (kXoT0)

236 Palin was right that primary "vetting" produces a tougher candidate. And she was always happy to cheer for more and tougher vetting of Romney-- no matter how nasty. (And we saw "vetting" from Newt that included not only the infamous Michael Mooresque Bain movie and "vulture capitalism" schtick, but stuff like that FL ad about Romney refusing kosher food to Holocaust survivors.)

Fine. But when it came to any Romney camp "vetting" of Newt, Palin went all out accusing Romney of being "Alinskyist!" "Stalinist!" And she was thus an enabler to Newt wrapping himself in that whiny thin-skinned martyr robe (which, more than any "vetting" itself, was the death of Newt's campaign). That, to me, significantly lessens Palin's credibility on the topic of "vetting." As Romney said today, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander; if thorough "vetting" was supposed to make a better candidate of Romney, it should also have made a better candidate of Newt (or Santorum, or anyone else). Of course, it didn't.

NB Whatever vetting and attacks mean-old-Romney pulled on Newt were incredibly restrained: can you imagine the "vetting" Newt would be getting now if he were the nominee? Ugly, ugly, ugly stuff.

Nevertheless, Palin has been and is right about a lot of stuff-- and IMO the Romney 2012 general election campaign has learned quite a bit from her. IMO the Romney team may have learned as much from Palin's strengths as from McCain's mistakes. The quick response, use of online tactics (twitter et al), punching back twice at hard, unintimidated by the race card and "civility" card and other PC cards, not playing by the Obama/MSM rules, not rebuking Rush for Flukegate or repudiating supporters like Trump, having fun mocking Obama and his team, etc.-- all of this seems at least somewhat inspired by Palin herself. (And counter-inspired by McCain.)

IMO, Mitt Romney has adopted some of Sarah Palin's attitude (without the baggage) for his 2012 campaign. (He even hired her speechwriter: IIRC the woman who wrote Palin's convention speech.) Which is a very good thing.

Posted by: lael at May 31, 2012 02:24 PM (T6tvG)

237 NOMITTNOBAMA 2012

Posted by: Pragmatic at May 31, 2012 02:27 PM (z8Cts)

238 Ace,

So are you saying that my obsession with politics and my asshole personality could actually be turned into a paying gig?  Politicians would hire me to be a professional douschebag so that they can learn to not react?  Where do I sign up?

Posted by: Obnoxious A-hole at May 31, 2012 02:27 PM (P/coe)

239 POS is a vain brittle ponce--If you jab him, he will crack like thin ice

^^^^^^^

This!

Hit him with something in the debate that makes him come out of his tightly-controlled shell and emote. Make the real Baraka come out and show hisself. America sees it and realizes he needs to be out ASAP.

Posted by: Ducatisti at May 31, 2012 02:36 PM (YlmX/)

240 I still don't like his politics.  But I'm beginning to admire his style.

Posted by: creeper at May 31, 2012 02:38 PM (gre5a)

241 Actually she's been right about a great money other things. Mind you when Elliot Abrams flat out lied about Gingrich, having been an opponent of Reagan in Central America, when Newt had gone to Oxford, to debate Ortega, the previous summer,
When they aired Brokaw's lie about Newt's ethics complaint, that wasn't vetting,

Posted by: Cthluthu at May 31, 2012 02:46 PM (6RslH)

242

"Now, we did have something of a News Panic with respect to Bain (one which I must confessed I joined in on). Ignorance was the ally of deceit, and deceits were spread, and I joined in in propagating them"

 

Gosh Ace, I thought you were smarter than to believe that!

Posted by: Nobo at May 31, 2012 02:50 PM (rsOPT)

243 Agree with debate prep EXCEPT the MSM will invent the gotcha and the meme on the fly in cahoots with the DNC and WH...    and PLEASE stop banging the slam on Perry debating with staff idiots... he was drugged up.  That's my biggest dig on him.   How in the world did they think he could do significant back surgery and jump into the campaign while recooping?  Major miscalc and I blame the Gov, his wife, and his circle of supporters.  Too smart by half and we lost a good candidate because of it.

Posted by: Yip in Texas at May 31, 2012 02:56 PM (Mrdk1)

244 The upside of TheeRomney as nominee: 1. No need to sit up and watch the R convention. 2. No traffic congestion and plenty of parking at all Romney campaign events. 3. He ain't Obama. What could possibly go wrong?

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Lord Collingwood (Mentioned in Dispatches) at May 31, 2012 02:58 PM (AXTGQ)

245 Hit him with something in the debate that makes him come out of his tightly-controlled shell and emote. Make the real Baraka come out and show hisself. America sees it and realizes he needs to be out ASAP.

Posted by: Ducatisti at May 31, 2012 07:36 PM (YlmX/)

 

Please, no one get their hopes up about any debates. Here's how they go:

SCOAMF: Social justice blah blah fair share blah blah

lib viewer: Wow, O is really owning Romney, he's totally winning the debate!

conservative viewer: What a frickin chowderhead.

Romney: BO has no idea how free markets work, you can't get something for nothing, I want to balance budget, etc

conservative viewer: Yeah! Preach it Romney!

lib viewer: Republicans are so hateful. I wish they would all die! [and no, no lib will spot the incongruity in that thought]

And in the end, no one's mind is changed.

Posted by: barbed wire fence fixer at May 31, 2012 03:00 PM (YyhCU)

246 <<None of the Above, 2012.
Posted by: Sgt. York at May 31, 2012 06:20 PM (hg81J)


And that's a vote for obama. Posted by: Nevergiveup>>



No it's not, and fuck you.

Posted by: Sgt. York at May 31, 2012 03:17 PM (hg81J)

247 << Still not voting for the guy.


Me, me, me, pay attention to me!!!!!!
Posted by: Sgt. York's pathetic need for attention>>

Yeah...or, you know, maybe a voice of dissent in what is rapidly becoming a lockstep mentality the closer we get to the election.

Posted by: Sgt. York at May 31, 2012 03:18 PM (hg81J)

248 Lift the Right leg, now lock it.

<<Posted by: Sgt. York at May 31, 2012 06:20 PM (hg81J)

Thanks for sharing. Now go back to the HA retard farm where you belong, and lock the gate on your way in so none of the others escape.
Posted by: Hollowpoint>>

Very good.

Now, lift the Right leg again, and lock it.

<<None of the Above, 2012.

Then there really isn't any need for you to politically participate until the election is there?
Posted by:Mike the moose troll hunter>>

Now you're thinking like everyone wants you to! Once again, Right Leg...lock...come on, suppress that freedom of expression and dissent. Can't have that because it obviously makes you uncomfortable...

<<Still not voting for the guy.

Has anyone seen my ball?
Posted by: As soon as I find it, I'm going home >>

Aren't you just precious? Lift and lock...

<<Posted by: Sgt. York at May 31, 2012 06:20 PM (hg81J)

Obama is destroying this country. You should not want him to win. What state are you in?
Posted by: Dagny >>

Good job! Because everyone knows if you're not for us, you against us! Because not liking Mitt means you want Obama to win! Here's a thought: Obama is destroying the country because WE ARE FUCKING LETTING HIM! What insanely retarded line of thought makes you conclude that Mitt is the Magic Man? Especially after years as a Left of Center "Republican?"

Now once again, Lockstep:
<<Lampshade, really, are you related to curious?
Posted by: Dagny>>

Congratulations! You're just like those you hate! Excellent brute force groupthink, Sparky!

Posted by: Sgt. York at May 31, 2012 03:27 PM (hg81J)

249 The GOP did have a choice in the primaries, and they flubbed it, as they flub everything. I have really come to despise the GOP in general. Posted by: sandy burger at May 31, 2012 07:09 PM (HfydS) Actually, if they had any sense they'd bring in the CNN/MSNBC cocktards for the primaries, and demand neutral arbiters for the general. Because it's not like they don't need the practice, and they have to learn to stop letting the Dems define the playing field for every single mother-grabbing contest and debate.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 31, 2012 03:29 PM (bxiXv)

250

Ms. DocWeasel, I say this with love and everything: I support this blog each and every time. I am very well educated and read for an hour every day on the shitter. I know when somebody's being redundant and long-winded.

 

So blow me.

Posted by: spongeworthy at May 31, 2012 03:48 PM (r5w1L)

251 or, Romney could just select Portman as veep, who can fulfill all of the above functions. also, one sentence does not a paragraph make.

Posted by: jazz & cocktails at May 31, 2012 04:34 PM (jSHRL)

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Ace,

Excellent - if obvious - point about Romney tending to be thin skinned and peevish when he's directly challenged in verbal confrontations. We saw this when Perry got under Romney's skin in a debate so that Romney actually appealed to Anderson Cooper to step in as referee. Bad. - But to date, that is by far the worst case. We also saw Romney become a bit frustrated for a few sentences in an interview when Bret Baer gently but insistently challenged him on Romney Care. I didn't think Romney performed nearly as bad in that that interview as others did; but nonetheless it was another example of Romney's tendency to get frustrated and caught up in pointless verbal-tactical sparring. And there have been other little but similar moments here and there.

So it's a real problem that could be exploited during Q&A with the press or (more critically) during the debates with Obama. However, Romney is likely aware of this problematic thin-skinned tendency of his and is hopefully taking measures to correct or minimize it.
Importantly: This is not a problem of Romney incorporating a new, positive feature into his verbal performance; rather it is a problem of Romney eliminating an ugly bug from his verbal performance.
Which is to say that if he and his staff are aware of Romney's occasional thin-skinned problem, they can focus on it and likely eliminate it or at least greatly minimize its severity.   







 

Posted by: _Dave_ at May 31, 2012 05:04 PM (gqoYf)

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However, I don't agree with your claim that Romney is not good at quickly reacting to an opponent's attacking claim and turning back on his opponent. I think we have actually seen several examples when Romney has outright eviscerated his opponents this way. One such example was when he took Gingrich apart during a debate when Gingrich tried to attack Romney's personal finances. I don't remember the exact quote, but Romney asked a devastating question back at Gingrich revealing that he (Gingrich) owned the very same kind of stock. It was a devastating retort that shut Gingrich right up. In an earlier debate, Gingrich had tried attacking Romney on on Romney Care. Mitt once again used a shrewd question to point out that Gingrich himself had pushed for an Individual Mandate - but at the Federal level. Then too, Gingrich backed off.

I think as long as Romney is prepared, he is actually quite excellent at delivering devastating counter punches to his debate opponents. It's when he gets caught off guard that he unfortunately shows clear signs of emotional frustration that can be damaging to the Happy Warrior persona he needs to project to voters. So if an issue that is challenging for Romney shows up in an unexpected way or with a disorienting variation on its theme: Romney has shown that sometimes he loses a bit of his cool.

But I'm not really worried about issues that are challenging for Romney popping up in odd formulations while debating Obama. Because the great advantage that the GOP candidate has in this election cycle is that the great majority of challenging issues are stacked heavily against Obama. It's Obama who is going to be playing defense for most of the debate and most of the campaign in general. And there is nothing that a sympathetic debate moderator or the mainstream media can do to change this dynamic.

I'm more concerned that Romney could run into an asymmetrical format trap against Obama during the debates. That's essentially what happened to him that time Perry got under his skin. Romney listened patiently while Perry made his point. Then when it was Romney's turn, Perry interrupted and then kept talking. That made Romney mad. He raised his voice and tried to talk over Perry, indignant that Perry wasn't 'playing fair'. When Perry kept up the annoying tactic of talking during Romney's time, Romney actually asked (all but yelled) "Are you just going to keep talking!" and then looked over and appealed to Anderson Cooper to do something.

If I were on Team Obama, I would be doing my level best to plan out a provocative, 'unfair' moment like that. It's in those moments that Romney feels at a loss and acts out. I'd be trying to get Stephanopollus or Sawyer to set up a verbal scenario that would make it easy for Obama to 'accidentally' step on Romney's toes - hoping that Romney would react harshly whereupon both Obama and the moderator could give Romney a concerned look that said "Hey, don't freak out man. Try to be an adult, please."  - That could genuinely damage Romney in a close race.



 




Posted by: _Dave_ at May 31, 2012 05:07 PM (gqoYf)

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Ace,

I do think your idea of getting former competitors (Perry, Santorum, Gingrich, et al) to privately meet with Romney to viciously spar with him in a debate format moderated by someone who is not on Romney's staff and who will be antagonistic to Romney is an excellent idea.

I think a serious series of such debate match-ups would likely debug Romney's occasional tendency to lose his cool.

Further, such practice would make him prepared for practically any issue that is likely to come Romney's way during the campaign or debates.

If you have contacts inside Team Romney, it is my sincere hope that you will send them your idea.










Posted by: _Dave_ at May 31, 2012 05:16 PM (gqoYf)

255 When you gonna write a book Ace?

Posted by: Old Coach at May 31, 2012 05:18 PM (fSUsd)

256 Some vetting is of course a good thing, but from about Florida on I would say it ended up hurting our side, especially since the remaining candidates weren't even viable and the issues raised and discussed weren't ideological.  It was also clear Santorum and Newt viewed themselves as Kamikazes that had no path to actually win more delegates than Romney.

We definitely dodged a bullet though, had a few more Democrats turned out in Michigan for Santorum, we probably would have had a floor fight at the Convention that would have destroyed us.





Posted by: BradleyJ at May 31, 2012 06:40 PM (XDRsa)

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Oh yeah!!

Someone get a spokesperson out there to publically pronounce this Palin Prophecy"(tm).

I wanna see some heads explode. Also has the side-effect of roping in a few SoCons.

Posted by: Cluebat from Exodar at June 01, 2012 01:57 AM (BuYeH)

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If I were him, I'd contact three men-- Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, and Rick Perry -- and have the three of them gang-up on him and be the douchiest douches they can manage, to get Romney prepared for Obama.

Oh please, oh please, have this go straight from your keyboard to the Rommney camp ... PLEASE!!!!

Posted by: Wolfybaby at June 01, 2012 09:32 AM (+C16M)

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